They also appear helping you in one of the Spartan op missions
#lore-and-universe
stable schooner
terse lava
Speaking of sangheili, anyone find it odd that a branch of the covenant is used as normal infantry in the form of storm
hasty locust
Gonna look it up, thanks!
versed helm
Who here wanys to see the promordial
humble yacht
No thx
young glen
Which sounds like the most interesting Halo game. A sequel to ODST set on Reach after the events of Halo Reach. A spinoff based around HalfJaw, or a Halo game about a Spartan 2 weve never met set set in the 2540's?
terse lava
@gilded masonYES
hasty locust
With new elite design wonder how the half jaw would look
deep pewter
An ODST sequel that ends with the rookie getting killed would be great
young glen
How he looked in the Halo2 Remaster would be best
gilded mason
With new elite design wonder how the half jaw would look
They seem to be going to the H2A design going forward (probably) so...
young glen
By the Blood of our Fathers, By The Blood of our Sons.
stable schooner
Yeah I don’t want to see a Halo 4/5 version of Rtas, I don’t think my heart can take it
hasty locust
Same thing 🤷♂️
terse lava
One of these says I hope we are the full writ
young glen
Victory is secured not from the throne, but from the frontlines.
stable schooner
Justinian begs to differ but were it so easy. Need more allied Elites in my life
terse lava
Yea
stable schooner
Sanghelios while probably 5s best environment and it was cool to go to the home world of the Elites. Where was all the Allied Elites?
gilded mason
Hm?
stable schooner
You rarely get to fight alongside Elites despite being on Sanghelios
deep pewter
Why waste elites when you can just throw a Spartan team at it?
versed helm
Let the spartans die
gilded mason
Yes please
versed helm
Split lip
gilded mason
kill 'em all
young glen
But a Halfjaw quote in the General Discussion and was told to stop 👌
terse lava
I will take a team of sangheili happily over them
versed helm
Do we know how much of a difference sangheilis armor makes in enhancing them?
stable schooner
Why send 4 Elites on a suicide mission and not let them drive vehicles. Those 4 Elites on Swords Of Sanghelios are suicidal.
hasty locust
I would like to see the marines and elites fighting side by side in game like in the covenant
stable schooner
^
gilded mason
Do we know how much of a difference sangheilis armor makes in enhancing them?
Not sure. But we know some Ranger rank was able to tank five sniper rifle shots from Linda.
young glen
That scene in Halo 3 where the Elites switch guns with Marines was awesome
hasty locust
Yeah
versed helm
That's more imperssive than a brute
hasty locust
Well ive gtg guys, have a good one
versed helm
Adios
young glen
My goal in this discord is to say something Halo should do and have a 343 dev say its a good idea
gilded mason
lol
versed helm
neat
heavy tide
Good luck with that
young glen
Ill tell everyone for the rest of my life, yeah Halo Infinite brought the needle rifle back cause of me
terse lava
Heh
versed helm
Did Sangheili have the enhanced armor before or after the covenant?
I'm assuming before
gilded mason
Not sure just how advanced it was before
stable schooner
Also dang a Ranger that can tank 5 sniper shots, Strongest Elite in the series right there
young glen
I was physicaly hurt when Elites where made the enemy again in Halo 4. I mean like cmon, i refuse to believe any Elite would still be loyal to the covenant after what the prophetes did to them.
gilded mason
It's a big population, a lot of 'em are gonna be idiots.
young glen
Shouldve just kept the brutes as the bad guys
versed helm
I mean, when you have been in a war with that race, some won't like the humans even if they also hate the covenant
there's still a lot of tension
stable schooner
Only problem is Brutes as the main enemies that aren’t Elite copies make Plasma Weapons obsolete
deep pewter
It was a galactic war, there were bound to be remnants
young glen
Who led the covenant after the prophets?
gilded mason
A lot of different factions calling themslves "The Covenant" popped up. The main one we fought was led by Jul 'Mdama.
young glen
who died in 4 seconds
deep pewter
He survived for a while
carmine sleet
Bit more than four seconds, but eh
stable schooner
His time to get killed by Locke a few seconds lol but his faction lasted pretty long as Remnants go
deep pewter
Honestly not surprising given ONIs trust in Locke
stable schooner
Locke better then Noble 6 Confirmed
hasty locust
Say sike right now
carmine sleet
I mean, one of those two is alive right now
sudden shuttle
Locke could be an interesting character, but yeah you know how that turned out
hasty locust
One isn’t classified as hyper lethal either
deep pewter
All Spartans are labeled hyper lethal, so yeah
sudden shuttle
Uh?
deep pewter
Spartan Field Manual explicitly labels all hyper lethal
gilded mason
Spartan Field Manual explicitly labels all hyper lethal
Yeah
hasty locust
Yeah just like how Spartans never die
gilded mason
Though the designation is silly to begin with.
deep pewter
Bungies OC donut steal of Noble Six isn’t special
sudden shuttle
then what's the point of the halsey line for six?
gilded mason
Marketing
carmine sleet
Hyper lethal is not really something that makes sense and is honestly something that people have latched on to because it made the player characters feel more special
deep pewter
Nothing, there was never any point of that line
gilded mason
To say "Noble Six is as Good as the Chief, gamers!"
deep pewter
It was dumb then and it’s dumb now
terse lava
Yea pretty much
carmine sleet
Changing it so that it applies to all Spartans is a good change but I'd honestly be fine if the term was dropped entirely
deep pewter
That too
sudden shuttle
control?
deep pewter
Cortana’s gotta gets herself a ring
carmine sleet
There isn't a Guardian on the Ark
terse lava
No, the ark defense systems shut her out
carmine sleet
That's not the Ark that we see it at
sudden shuttle
technically it isn't ON the ring, but it's there
unique rune
That wasn’t at the Ark.
sudden shuttle
o i never played halo wars 2
unique rune
It was a point somewhere between the Ark’s location and Installation 04’s former location.
hasty locust
Still six could beat Locke
deep pewter
There’s nothing special about Six
sudden shuttle
yeah kinda, besides nothing be known about him
versed helm
Six could not beat locke
hasty locust
He can destabilize governments
carmine sleet
Anyone can destabilise a government if they know who to target
versed helm
Six at the time, was very good, but now, spartans do that all the time
deep pewter
Locke is an ONI operative that they were planning on sending after Thel, he’s obviously not a lightweight
terse lava
I like how they seemed to plan it " oh yea we are just foing to assassinate a fleetmaster"
deep pewter
Locke in his armor should be stronger than Six in his
carmine sleet
Six also died before Locke became a Spartan as well
versed helm
Locke also has more experience than Six
hasty locust
So did a ton of spartan 2’s does that mean Locke can beat them too?
versed helm
Six is a 3 sir
hasty locust
Yes I realize
terse lava
Huj
sudden shuttle
but guys, we all know deep down inside, chief could beat six and locke
hasty locust
Saying someone died before Locke did is not a comparison
versed helm
i mean, i love the IIs, but with the armor the IVs have, there isn’t a gap
deep pewter
Chief isn’t some master at fighting, dude almost died in his first encounter with an Elite
sudden shuttle
brute you mean?
versed helm
Chief is not the best hand to hand fighter
stoic hamlet
That armour comparison is wrong
versed helm
Not a big gap*
stoic hamlet
In GEN2, a IV is equal to a II/III in GEN1
sudden shuttle
he almost died to a brute because he was ambushed, but he escaped.
stoic hamlet
And yeah John’s average, he’s not the worst, but he’s not the best Spartan either, he has no real defining traits aside from kick
hasty locust
Chief beat a hunter hand-hand
deep pewter
I mean, you’re right. Locke should be stronger in armor since Six would’ve had Mark V
versed helm
lol
deep pewter
There’s a spartan that took down 2 hunters in Ghosts of Onyx
sudden shuttle
chief is only 7 in armor and weighs a ton
hasty locust
They could squish you and know exactly where you are when you are there
sudden shuttle
so did chief, in FUD
hasty locust
Yeah
sudden shuttle
all though you don't see the first one
stoic hamlet
Regarding the seeming absurdity of the assassination mission, it’s actually not hat feasible they could kill Arbiter easier than say, Xytan, or Nizat
versed helm
Lekgolo themselves are pretty hard to defeat
gilded mason
Regarding the seeming absurdity of the assassination mission, it’s actually not hat feasible they could kill Arbiter easier than say, Xytan, or Nizat
Yeah, that sat weird with me.
stoic hamlet
Thel regularly went to ground, putting himself at great risk
Literally all you need is one good shot or explosion
hasty locust
Well Locke failed in that attempt so....
stoic hamlet
Boom, he’s gone
hasty locust
Should’ve sent six
deep pewter
Yeah Locke never even attempted
hasty locust
Yeah
stoic hamlet
It was only recommended
hasty locust
Locke almost got poned by some worms
deep pewter
With no armor prior to augs
versed helm
Well, lekgolo aren’t a joke
stoic hamlet
I think you’re missing the point
versed helm
Covenant couldn’t even beat the lekgolo
terse lava
True
stoic hamlet
There’s nothing saying Thel wouldn’t die if such a mission occurred
versed helm
so to call them “some worms” is an understatement
stoic hamlet
The mission would likely see an operator shoot him from long range
sudden shuttle
imagine worms, on high amounts of steroids
versed helm
Thel isn’t even IMO the best arbiter
stoic hamlet
An SRS can engage at several kilometres away
deep pewter
A single flood spore was said to be enough to take down an entire planet, you don’t mess with things like that
stoic hamlet
Thel wouldn’t even see the shooter
hasty locust
I would just drop a pelican on him 😐
sudden shuttle
red team almost died to the flood and so did everyone else on the spirit of fire
hasty locust
Yeah the whole Milky Way almost died to the flood
stoic hamlet
The longest shot recorded was from almost 3 1/2 Km away. The bullet took 10 seconds to reach the target.
sudden shuttle
well jerome almost got lost in space
stoic hamlet
It wouldn’t surprise me if the SRS or Spartan Laser could engage at ranges far behind that.
versed helm
I agree Canadian
stoic hamlet
Heck, we’ve seen similar missions, even ones done impromptu during The Flood.
hasty locust
Yeah but remember thel was a tactician
stoic hamlet
It would be super easy to kill Thel
hasty locust
He wouldn’t leave himself exposed that easy
stoic hamlet
He was also honourable to a fault
versed helm
I mean, all shipmasters were tacticians
hasty locust
Just get a frigate and crash it onto him, it’s the only way!
stoic hamlet
And routinely exposed himself to UNSC troops when he didn’t need to
hasty locust
But according to Locke he was different
carmine sleet
A tactician can't do much against a bullet though
hasty locust
He was smort
versed helm
But Thel isn’t exactly special, Fal Chavamee is the best
hasty locust
And honorable
stoic hamlet
The latter isn’t a good quality to have as a strategist, especially one who fights on the front lines
hasty locust
True
stoic hamlet
Heck, he almost died to an ODST with an antique M6 (though he was a Zealot at the time)
hasty locust
But with all the stuff ONI has pulled if it were that easy to peg thel they would’ve
terse lava
@stoic hamlet?
stoic hamlet
They just never had the opportunity to engineer a situation
stoic hamlet
From The Cole Protocol @terse lava
He rounds a corner and nearly gets killed by a Marine waiting in ambush
gilded mason
oh thel
versed helm
Everyone forgets about Fal Chavamee
stoic hamlet
I’ll need to double check, but IIRC he mentions if the Marine had had a heavier weapon (MA5, BR55, etc) he (Thel) would have died.
hasty locust
Everyone forgets about the third and fourth player characters in halo 3
terse lava
@stoic hamletthat was his comrade that was almost taken down
gilded mason
Everyone forgets about the third and fourth player characters in halo 3
N'tho and Usze did get a book involving them, at least.
hasty locust
Mhm
carmine sleet
I would love to see more from those two Elites
gilded mason
Same
terse lava
@stoic hamletyep
hasty locust
Halo 5 that should’ve been instead of Locke’s squad you could play as the arbiter them two and rtas on sanghelios (Probably dumb idea like all mine XD)
versed helm
wouldn’t make sense, i feel that would if been forced
hasty locust
True, true
stable schooner
I mean you could kill any Covenant leader by that logic though. Thel must have some protections or what’s stoping any UNSC sniper killing these leaders by the droves
hasty locust
Hence the brackets
gilded mason
The PoV sections for them in HitD was pretty frontloaded so after they got to the Ark, I don't remember any section from their viewpoint from then onward, barring Usze having a short scene against Armigers.
hasty locust
Locke’s squad seemed kind of forced not going to speak of an untruth
But meh, my opinion is my onions
stable schooner
If it was so easy for Oni Assassins to kill High Rank Covenant leaders wouldn’t they have been a common scene in the war then
carmine sleet
Your opinions are onions?
deep pewter
Lockes squad was like 2 weeks old at the beginning of 5, weren’t they?
hasty locust
Yep, just like ogres
gilded mason
His opinions make people cry.
hasty locust
Hah, XD
stoic hamlet
They were. @stable schooner I can think of like four covie leader kills off the top of my head
carmine sleet
Four out of how many?
hasty locust
Exactly my question
terse lava
@stoic hamletonly one I recall was from legends
hasty locust
The baby sitter right?
terse lava
Yea
stoic hamlet
One from Legends
One done by Linda (off-screen)
Two in The Flood (one intentional one Collateral)
stable schooner
Exactly it wasn’t a common occurrence and even 100 wouldn’t be common among the many commanders the Covenant has
carmine sleet
That's the thing, we don't know the exact number of high ranking members in the Covenant, sure we know of the Council, the Hierarchs and stuff, but we don't know all the numbers
hasty locust
4 out of the size of the covenant army isn’t too good
hasty locust
But we’re those 4 examples done by sniper?
stoic hamlet
3 of the 4 were yeah
carmine sleet
My point still stands, we don't know how many high ranking officers there are in the Covenant
stoic hamlet
The 4th was a Scorpion
stoic hamlet
Probably a lot, hundreds of thousands at least, but my point was we know it can be done, easily. The shot in the Flood was an impromptu self-assigned mission from a Marine Sniper who had been thrown from his ‘hog.
hasty locust
Do some math, do we know approximately how large the covenant army is and how many troops a ship master would lead?
Then do some maths
Can get a rough amount of them
stoic hamlet
My point is, there’s nothing showing Thel being unorthodox in his ground engagements except that he routinely took part, unlike other commanders, this puts him at absurd risk, to the point where it would be trivial to kill him.
hasty locust
Yeah, but they didn’t... for some reason
stable schooner
But it didn’t happen and planets after planets were glassed
Plus it’s Canon now he used Active Camo in Combat (Cringeeeee)
gilded mason
lol
terse lava
Yea...that was weird
stoic hamlet
Where was that said?
terse lava
@hasty locusttheres no canon number for how large the covenant empire was, only that it comprised of "billions." Would guess 3 digit billions
@stoic hamletfrom the terminal when he allowed the marines to finish getting geared
stoic hamlet
I can think of the example of him in the terminal......but he revealed himself to the enemy Colonial Guard unit.
hasty locust
So yeah 4 is literally nothing and just pure fluke those guys died
gilded mason
I can think of the example of him in the terminal......but he revealed himself to the enemy Colonial Guard unit.
After the marines got geared up, the visuals showed Thel going into camo, I think. Been a while since I saw it.
stable schooner
Which isn’t honorable but ehhhhh being a Zealot matter don’t matter anymore
terse lava
Wonder which zealot house thel joined
stable schooner
Guy breaks into your house and catches you on the toilet. He lets you get dressed but then turns the lights off while wearing night vision goggles and stabs you. That ain’t honorable
hasty locust
True, lol
gilded mason
Nope.
stable schooner
Nah that’s long over
humble yacht
Spartan iv augmentations are safer and more advanced
The trade off is that the degree to which the subjects are augmented is less
stoic hamlet
But they also require monthly checkups or else they like, shut down? (though I think this is because they’re adults and not augmented as children.)
humble yacht
They require monthly check ups to remain in optimal condition
stoic hamlet
I forget the reason
humble yacht
They won’t shut down for missing a check up
stoic hamlet
They will degrade over time thoug
IIRC Mickey needed an exoskeleton to walk
(Someone correct me on that if I’m wrong please)
humble yacht
Just look up Mickey in halopedia
Methane molecules have no oxygen
there is no way to respirate methane
hasty locust
Spartans=Grunts ONI confirmed
humble yacht
No one knows
It’s a silly line that someone who doesn’t understand physiology wrote
gilded mason
Maybe the person who wrote it ddin't put much thought into the mechanics
Yeah, that
humble yacht
They were like “no cell biologists are going to read this comic and call out this fallacy”
humble yacht
If you say that and we are supposed to take that seriously then that means we should always take you seriously
It’s not even a fact
Palmer just said “the doctors said I could do this”
No one has actually done it
The one silver lining
hasty locust
Exactly my point 😏
humble yacht
They just give out MDs like Halloween candy in the 26th century
gilded mason
Also, found the thing regarding "tune-ups":
The science is above my paygrade, but Spartan-IV augmentation lacks the stability of earlier generations. While it means that adults can be augmented, it also means we need constant "tune-ups" to ensure that nothing goes out of whack in our bodies.```spartan iv notices grunt tank hmmmmmm
stable schooner
Dang that kinda sucks
gilded mason
Definitely doesn't bode well for those without tune-ups from my interpretation.
stable schooner
Made up my mind. Spartan III life for me
deep pewter
I mean, suicide missions are pretty attractive
stable schooner
9/10 would read again
deep pewter
IVs would be the best for the average observer that doesn’t have a death wish
stable schooner
I like the liberty that only outside monsters kill Spartan 3s not body parts failing.
hasty locust
Except for the fact they were massacred 😐
humble yacht
Are there any Spartans who go on ops that require more than a month before returning to an outpost?
stable schooner
Big Mandible Energy Sword Elites
stoic hamlet
Only the Gammas @versed helm
deep pewter
IIs > IVs > IIIs
humble yacht
A tune up could likely be performed anywhere
deep pewter
Also one batch of IIIs require a lot of drugs to stay sane, so
stoic hamlet
Only in stressful situations, and they can have implants that work for weeks of continuous fighting
humble yacht
Gammas took 3 extra drugs
1 that made them stronger but crazy, and 2 to counteract the crazy
humble yacht
No
stoic hamlet
The III’s has primarily chemical augmentation
humble yacht
Alpha and beta company only got one round of drugs
They aren’t constantly taking drugs
stoic hamlet
But the II’s and IV’s also had drugs as part of the Augmentations
hasty locust
None of the nobles were from gamma right?
humble yacht
No
deep pewter
No, they weren’t
hasty locust
Yeah
humble yacht
Alpha and betas only
hasty locust
Thought so
stoic hamlet
I don’t see why you’re framing the chemicals as bad though @versed helm ?
humble yacht
I think it’s a bad joke
stoic hamlet
Drugs
It was all drugs and injections
Pretty much
The majority was drugs and fluids pumped into them
I mean if you want to count a Neural Interface, yeah.
hasty locust
Well the neural link to use Mjolnir in the handpicked Guys chosen to not get thrown into a meat grinder
Oh he already said that 😔
stoic hamlet
Everyone in the UNSC has a Neural Intefface
It’s specifications change depending on your rank/role
But everyone has one
stoic hamlet
I don’t believe so. The suit interfaces with the interface, but to my knowledge it’s not special.
stoic hamlet
I’ll double check though
hasty locust
I’m pretty sure they had the sims too
deep pewter
What about action sack?
hasty locust
Yeah real life stuff not just SUPER VR
stoic hamlet
They did
hasty locust
Yeah
If he lasted longer I would’ve shouted it down then and there, he already did better then he should’ve, IV’s aren’t that strong, compared to two’s in the exact same armor and everything
So was Locke
So chief could’ve smacked him
deep pewter
Not really
hasty locust
That Locke would’ve beat chief he’s gonna say
deep pewter
Chief couldn’t have smacked Locke that easily
hasty locust
Whatever
stable schooner
If a Gen 2 Spartan IV = Gen 1 Spartan II. Then I’m pretty sure Gen 2 Spartan 2 > Gen 2 Spartan IV
hasty locust
Mhm
young glen
Chief coulda killed Locke
hasty locust
Yep
deep pewter
Sorry I like to follow the lore
hasty locust
That Locke is a stealth operative not used to frontal confrontation?
deep pewter
Why would ONI send a purely stealth operative to arrest Chief face to face?
hasty locust
Compared to a hardened veteran trained in CQB ad assault and STUFF
Because, reasons
terse lava
Could be possible both of them were holding back. The fight was quite slow compared to what we have seen else where. Chief was not out to kill Locke and Locke had orders to ring5 chief back
deep pewter
There’s no reason why they would do that, meaning Locke is far from only good at stealth
terse lava
Figure both were
deep pewter
Chief would obviously be stronger, but not as strong as people make him out to be
hasty locust
Yah just look at the IV’s in 4 they are like marines with shields
deep pewter
Oh god, that crap again
hasty locust
So you can say crap here
Nice to know
Not talking about AI intelligence though, just health
young glen
Wasnt chief a foot taller than the Spartan 4s?
hasty locust
Mhm
terse lava
Around there yes
deep pewter
5 is much more in line with how IVs are described in lore than 4 is
hasty locust
The Armor IV’s wear is also less bulky and more slim for better mobility
young glen
did spartan 4s even have a super soldier serum?
hasty locust
Other then Osiris there were no IV’s in five
No the II augments were better
Like not as advanced
terse lava
More stable really
hasty locust
Not what I’m saying
young glen
Chief wins cause of experience and better training, u cant beat training since age 7
hasty locust
I said the II’s augments provided the user more but weren’t as advanced tech wise
Chief had blue team there
young glen
This might be just me but I wish Halo kinda stayed around the time period 2552 and before. The old lore is just so much more interesting then the new lore
terse lava
@young glensome.if the forerunner stuff is nice
hasty locust
Excuse my 5 knowledge I only played it once, want my cup of tea
deep pewter
The covenant war would get old after a while, especially since nothing there’s years with nothing of note
terse lava
Nothing we know of anyway
stoic hamlet
I think the problem is Halo is going into the “villain of the week” syndrome because they didn’t find the post war interesting.....for some reason.
deep pewter
But they really haven’t, Cortana is continuing into Infinite as an antagonist
gilded mason
Post-war had a lot of potential
terse lava
@gilded masonsrill.may I guess
hasty locust
Human forerunner war would be cool
young glen
Idk i just find the Spartan I, II, and III far more interesting then the 4 program.
my bad just 4
gilded mason
But a lot of stuff was just repeated themes over and over.
deep pewter
3s aren’t even really touched on in game
terse lava
@hasty locustwould be tricky to make a forerunner era game with the power they had
hasty locust
Or fun
stoic hamlet
In less than 4 in game years the UNSC has fought:
Three Forerunner AI’s
A living Forerunner
And now a Megalomaniacal UNSC AI.
hasty locust
Like it would be quite the spectical watching these huge war machines going at it
young glen
A living five😉
terse lava
@versed helmcant happen
deep pewter
Are we talking in game or overall?
stoic hamlet
Like, they should have stuck with the more intrigue/shadow war of the post war
gilded mason
Like, they should have stuck with the more intrigue/shadow war of the post war
Or other types of small-scale stories
young glen
Maybe a Halo game set during when Spartans were fighting rebels. Make it like Arbiter questioning his actions
gilded mason
That doesn't involve "These two species must work together...can they?!"
stoic hamlet
Why would they?
terse lava
@versed helmhowever I have seen...idk it was concept art.or fan.made of a flood hunter
hasty locust
Hunters can’t be flood, because why? Don’t they have a neural network?
hasty locust
So?
hasty locust
Yeah animals have been infected
stoic hamlet
Not worms
hasty locust
Ah so they don’t
young glen
What about a Halo game structured like Halo Legends, just random missions centered around the Halo universe.
deep pewter
All these ideas are better suited for spinoffs
terse lava
If we want to be truly technical, bungie was.goong to have all covenant races be able to be infected
young glen
Why not, not all of em have to be serious
One day i hope to get the privilege of meeting a man who completed the MCC LASO playlist solo
I tried....made it to Truth and Reconciliation
hasty locust
R. I. p
stable schooner
I’ll be more interested in post war when the Remnants have flair to them like the Banished.
hasty locust
I wonder what bungee would’ve done with 4 and 5
young glen
They made that Legendary cutscene at the end of 3 that showed Requiem.
hasty locust
Yeah I remember seeing their Promethean concept art too
They looked more like the forerunners from halo legends
I would show an image but.....
young glen
Unpopular opinion, Halo shouldn't have any more sequels, only prequels hence forth
hasty locust
Yeah
young glen
Story shoulda ended at Halo 3
stable schooner
Ehhhhhh
deep pewter
Even Bungie didn’t think that
young glen
Chief, gone but not forgotten
hasty locust
Don’t disagree though that was an amazing and satisfying end to the trilogy
young glen
What can i say, i love fan service. Like the fact that ODST is set during the mission Metropolis is just so cool to me
deep pewter
I dislike cliffhangers, personally
hasty locust
I don’t mind them as long as they give a wrap up aswell
stable schooner
I don’t ODST being set during 2 caused things like early Great Schism on Earth and Instant Brutes
hasty locust
I was fine knowing that chief spent his life to save humanity for like 4 years
deep pewter
Had the legendary ending not existed I would agree
hasty locust
True,true
young glen
Another unpopular opinion, i don't like how the games have to play by outside medias rules(books, comic etc). Like i was okay that Halo Reach broke somethings. Games are more important
hasty locust
Yeah I hear that a lot about 5
deep pewter
That’s not an unpopular opinion with the nostalgia crowd taking over discussion about Reach
stoic hamlet
No they aren’t, not to me anyways
deep pewter
I honestly loathe Bungies approach to multi media canon
young glen
You have to read like four things and watch 10 things to fully understand Halo 5
stoic hamlet
Their approach was terrible
Dude
I’ve read and watched almost everything and I don’t even understand it
deep pewter
I’ve never understood people saying you have to read to understand 5
hasty locust
A lot of peeps I know are just like who TF are blue team aren’t they dead and I had to explain stuff and things and any instance where I have to use my brain is preferably avoided
stoic hamlet
It was terribly put together
deep pewter
I haven’t read any of the 343i books and it makes perfect sense
stoic hamlet
That had nothing to do with the EU
deep pewter
The fault of Blue team being confusing lies solely with Bungie
stoic hamlet
^^^
deep pewter
And their insistence on calling Chief the last of his kind
stable schooner
I think Blue Team being introduced in Cairo would have been the only good time to do it during the Classic Trilogy
stoic hamlet
They should have had a bigger mention in the terminals
More than 343, more than that prophet
The terminals should have all been about Locke and Blue Team
hasty locust
That seems like a big Mandela effect amongst halo fan though “chief being the last spartan”
gilded mason
The terminals should have all been about Locke and Blue Team
The H2 terminals?
stoic hamlet
Yeah
young glen
Like it was super dumb to introduce Locke in Nightfall then make him a character in Halo 5. Games should enhance books(all outside media), books shouldn't enhance games
deep pewter
The promotional material around CE call him the last of his kind
stoic hamlet
Which was true for only CE
gilded mason
Yeah
And lose out on Covenant terminals? No thank you.
stoic hamlet
Then swiftly retconned even in lore
young glen
a track in halo 2 is called "The Last Spartan"
deep pewter
Books have always enhanced games, to even understand the covenant war you need to read books like Contact Harvest
hasty locust
Ah
stoic hamlet
Which was asinine even at the time of H2’s release
young glen
Halo Wars kinda explained Harvest
deep pewter
Wars is a spinoff most people didn’t play
And doesn’t really touch on everything the book does
stoic hamlet
We knew about Spartan III’s before Halo 2 even released. (Thanks to First Strike)
And then of course Blue Team were still alive
And on Earth at the same time as John
Halo has stopped being just a game franchise, it hasn’t been one for years.
It’s now classed as a multimedia franchise (thankfully)
young glen
I liked the idea of Chief being the last spartan. Now that Spartans are everywhere it kinda makes chief less cool
stoic hamlet
Everything is equal in canon
stable schooner
Introduce Fred, Will and Linda on Cairo, Chief still goes to Delta Halo alone is how I would have done it
hasty locust
There is a Linda Easter egg in CE anniversary
stable schooner
Good old Johnson voice Cameo
stoic hamlet
Including the names of Blue Team’s roster as of Ghosts of Onyx, Beta-5 references, SPI reference, etc.
stoic hamlet
Who?
Or what?
The characters? As far as we know Fred Kelly and Linda are still alive, yes.
hasty locust
All the book references
stoic hamlet
Oh, I don’t know.
hasty locust
You said it was ironic as if they were deemed non canon by reach
stoic hamlet
They should still be there
hasty locust
I may have misinterpreted however
stoic hamlet
Well Reach basically tried to retcon TFoR hard
Yet had the most EU references out of all the games
stable schooner
Man Halo Reach aside I still think Bungie goofed hard on ODST with Brutes
terse lava
Why
hasty locust
I’m gonna do a chronological re read of the books soon just gotta finish up some Star Wars books
stoic hamlet
The character names were firefight loadout names
And the other references were in the armour descriptions.
terse lava
As in playability or the fact they had the schism happening two weeks early on esrth?
hasty locust
Weren’t the loadout names just generic medic, assault etc?
stable schooner
It was unnecessary Ado. Don’t set a game during the early stages of 2 if you don’t want to make Enemy Elites.
And that cop out had to be added to the lore
stoic hamlet
You could change them in a custom firefight match @hasty locust
hasty locust
Oh i See
remote spruce
At least Rookie got a free Beam Rifle
deep pewter
And a free bullet to the head
hasty locust
Well ODST reused a lot of 3 so they would have to do some programming for enemy elites
stable schooner
Set Elites to Covenant done
terse lava
1 @stable schooner I feel they could have done it better if it changed from sangheili to brutes mid way
hasty locust
I don’t think it’s that easy Roman
stable schooner
Agreed that would have been much better
deep pewter
That would’ve been a lot cooler, honestly
young glen
I wish Halo 3s ending set up an Arbiter Sequel better
stable schooner
It is that easy Settling. I could make all the Brutes on Bucks first mission allies if I wanted
That would have been great though Ado, really spice up the Campaign to
hasty locust
Lol I wish I had a modded Xbox, I would make massive battles on levels like the covenant spawn like 4 scarabs and just battalions of marines XD
deep pewter
Not being able to see the Schism happen is one of my bigger disappointments in ODST, looking back
hasty locust
Yeah like in the middle there could’ve been a part where some elites were fighting the brutes and some were not to just confuse buck even more (or whoever was the character at the time)
gilded mason
and some where not
As in they stayed allied to Brutes, or...?
hasty locust
Sorry I’m on phone atm so my thumbs are too big for little keys
And yes you would be correct there
gilded mason
I don't think the nature of the Schism would really allow that.
stable schooner
Of course I admit showing Elite led Covenant vs Brute Led Covenant would take some work without confusing the player so some parts I imagined would have to be like Elites and Grunts vs Brutes and Jackals
terse lava
@stable schooner I would have had to where the buck mission you are still fighting sangheili, next level you start seeing brutes mor around the old lift. Mickey's level, if you are fast in certain areas you can see brutes.killing their commanders like the marines during the arbiter level. Eventually you end up with rookie who brute patrols and maybe a file of hidden sangheili here and there
gilded mason
and maybe a file of hidden sangheili here and there
And you press 'X' to hug them.
terse lava
....yes
hasty locust
Well the day levels could be verse elites and nighttime would be brutes
terse lava
Would think they would be hostile if you get too close, otherwise leave you alone o the rookie levels
stable schooner
Yeah Mickeys mission would be the last realistic mission to have Elites with scattered Elites on New Mombassa Streets
terse lava
Yes
stable schooner
Their would be no reason for the Elites to attack Oni Alpha Site and time in the day was ending. Wether Uplift Reserve would be Schism fighting to justify the UNSC advancing so easily I’m undecided
terse lava
"Welcome to the fun trooper, I don't know who claimed the covies were retreating to that large ship. We keep running into those elites out here. They seem confused"
stable schooner
Like I feel like the Covenant defending Regrets Landing point should definitely be Elites
terse lava
I was thinking that as well but I considered this
Why let the brute out to combat and get glory on the human homeworld? Our brothers are capable of guarding the noble hierarch on the carrier. Let the brute have their fun with these beasts
stable schooner
I mean Regret is already gone but only 20 minutes has passed in Dutches mission so I feel a small company of Regrets forces would still be there
remote spruce
best part of ODST was no Battle Rifle
terse lava
Actually 90 I think
stable schooner
That’s Mickies I think
hasty locust
ODST is full of timeline errors the schism isn’t even the biggest one (to me)
terse lava
It makes sense though, sangheili and their undelings first to get back in the carrier while the brutes guard, then get left behimd5
Was it him? Hm maybe I guess
Not really a error
First strike had the 500 strong fleet led by brutes
hasty locust
My biggest error is the armor
stable schooner
30 Minutes after drop is Dutches exact time at mission start
hasty locust
Play halo 2 look at the armor (same thing with brutes) for ODST’s and you’ll see
It just irks me for some reason
stable schooner
Lol I do agree Tartarus and the Brutes guarding the Prophets don’t have good armor but the scout force to Earth does
terse lava
Well....it is just halo 3 models
hasty locust
I know
stoic hamlet
Buck is literally right after drop, there definitely should have been Elites fighting him
stable schooner
Exactly Bucks time even says immediately after drop
terse lava
Wasnt it said the ones that came were the remains of the original 500
hasty locust
My point is people nit pick ODST’s timeline errors too much because of tech
terse lava
@stable schooner halo mythos did they tl.xlear that up
hasty locust
And I think you see the pod land and he flops out
stoic hamlet
It was maybe at most 5 mins after IAC made the jump.
at most
You do see it land, yes
And him popping the hatch
Actually, on that note
terse lava
@stable schoonerit said the brutes had already begun rebelling before regret even left. It could be another reason he. Chose then to leave
stoic hamlet
You also see Dutch retrieving his own gear as his mission starts.
Despite it being 30 mins later
Unless he was checking over the laser
stable schooner
Regret even having Brutes is a Retcon imo. Chief never encounters them and bungie intentionally took them out of the Earth sections to use them later in the story.
terse lava
@stable schoonerinwould count that as simply just elsewhere
Did bungie ever say regret had no brutes due to taking them out of the level?
I recall nothing
stable schooner
Regret was also an Elite Supporter so His Elite Fleet having Brutes makes no sense to me. No they didn’t ever officially say anything it’s just the story the files tell and the E3 demo is of course an scrapped non canon version of the Earth events
Also when Brutes use Brute Plasma Rifles in ODST But not 3 Lol
terse lava
That yea...annoying
What's wrong with a pure plasma rifle?
Favorite halo weapon, will choose it every time
tacit blaze
Ok I hope this question belongs here, I have confusion
How come the Noble team all have officer rankings? Like B312 is a Lieutenant and etc? I thought all Spartans are enlisted personnel
terse lava
May just be for the 2s
gilded mason
Yes.
stoic hamlet
Fred doesn’t like leadership
gilded mason
Aw, such a shy boy.
stoic hamlet
He second guesses himself and makes mistakes
Fred will do it if he has to, but he doesn’t want to.
versed helm
Freddy boy is a good spartan
remote spruce
1337 > all
deep pewter
Kurt > 1337
stable schooner
“Their was Honor in our Covenant once, their shall be again” Halo 3 Arbiter says this and I don’t think it aged well
terse lava
He never claimed when it was. Like any civilization the covenant likely had periods of time where they were kind. Other times they likely would have fit 40k
stable schooner
I mean the Covenant doesn’t exist anymore
swift plover
Can the lekgolo be infected by the flood?
I mean they don't operate like regular organisms.
versed helm
lekgolo v flood match
swift plover
Hunters op
versed helm
nughtfall vibes
they should turn that ring piece into a BTB map
maybe scale it down
that would be sick
swift plover
I agree
versed helm
and at the end of the match the sun comes up
Quick lore question is mendicant bias imprisoned in zeta halo or is it high charity.
remote coral
So, someone who's real familiar with Halo lore help me out here. What exactly is The Primordial? THe founder of the Flood? The last Precursor?
versed helm
Yes and yes to both
hasty locust
Well from my knowledge is that the flood are grinded up precursors
remote coral
Say what?!
hasty locust
Like the forerunners started hunting the, so some of them went into like a “stasis” where they turned to like a dust, that got corrupted and BOOM you got the flood
versed helm
He is the first gravemind a mutation/perversion of the prometheans in order to get revenge on the fore runners for their betrayal
versed helm
Yes he is he's actually imprisoned on Zeta Halo
proud quail
yummy yummy for my disgusting tummies
versed helm
@versed helm that sweet sweet biomass
hasty locust
Lol
remote coral
What sort of shenanigans would he get up to were he ever to break free?
versed helm
He corrupted Mendicant Bias just by simply talking to him nearly destroying the forerunners but they initusted the Halo rings. You do not want him out forget a regular gravemind or keymind this thing is worse. Supposedly the humans who caught him and spoke to him all committed suicide
hasty locust
Wuh oh that’s bad news bears
versed helm
And He and Cortana and Chief are all on Zeta Halo. Boys we got a huge crazy fight on our hands maybe even one last trilogy
terse lava
I left fir a short time and came back to this...
@versed helmuh, we have already fought the primordial before. He became the gravemind we know and love to hate
ebon heron
I’m sure the primordial is actually a really nice guy who’s just lonely and in need of companionship
hasty locust
Lol
ebon heron
I guess that’s what being the only sentient precursor for the past 100,000 years does to your psyche
versed helm
All graveminds are connected to the primordial though for they are all one megahivemind so yeah the gravemind on delta halo was the "primordial" but the physical primordial the original gravemind is on Zeta Halo imprisoned
ebon heron
Remember when pre h4 the forerunners were red herring’d to be ancient humans?
Good times
versed helm
The moment a gravemind is "born" it remembers and knows everything its other graveminds either dead or alive know they all communicate as one
hasty locust
That’s the joy of hive minds
versed helm
I forgot what UNSC protocol is if a Spartan gets infected I believe they nuke them to hell
sonic ridge
I thinkits cool how the canon halo 3 is 4 player
Since usze and n’tho were there too
But you only ever see them in 4 player coop
proud quail
no spartan has been infected, no
versed helm
Chief almost got infected
@versed helm Oh yeah, in context of the discipline itself, UNSC weapons are still pretty darn impressive - having rounds that fire 3-4x above their weight class by today's standards, for one
sonic ridge
The energy sword is super hot right
And cauterises wounds
Or at least most of the energy swords, the standard ones we actually see in game and such.
Although one elite medic does say the diadact hands guys use energy swords that dont cauterise very well and leave bad wounds
But in general they cauterise
Cause in this book they cause a lot of bleeding, and even in like halo legends the guy got hit with one and blood just shoots out like a fire hydrant
hasty locust
Well that’s legends so everything is a little... over the top
hasty locust
Yeah
ebon heron
You guys think galactic empire navy or covenant navy would win? 
sonic ridge
Galactic empire being emperor palpatine
ebon heron
Yes
sonic ridge
I’d say covenant
The covenant were doing a better job at fighting the human than the GE did fighting the rebels
And imo the rebels are also significantly worse than the unsc marines
Although that’s not really ship stuff
sonic ridge
Realistic for sci fi
proud quail
s-sure
deep pewter
Covenant destroys the GE
ebon heron
Considering we basically only saw star destroyers being deployed en mass by the GE
ebon heron
Whereas there’s actual naval variation in covenant with different ships filling various different roles
sonic ridge
The GE has a lot of different ships
proud quail
halo legends' artstyle choices iirc are not meant to be taken at face value as the canon
sonic ridge
I was saying more hunters in the dark
ebon heron
@sonic ridge not in the films they don’t 
sonic ridge
But just gave legends as an example of blood from energy sword
proud quail
although i dont even remember what scene you're talking about
i assume you're talking about the arbiter episode?
sonic ridge
Yea
In the duel he gets hit on the front and bleeds
Was that even an energy sword I forget
proud quail
the arbiter?
sonic ridge
Yea
proud quail
steel blade
proud quail
he stabbed the other guy and he just flopped over dead
sonic ridge
Yea
So it’s just hunters in the dark I know about
Near the start after a guy kills another guy with an energy sword it says he’s standing over his bloodied corpse
There’s a thing later on where two of em are attacking a monster with energy swords and it’s bleeding heavily
versed helm
Night lads dont let the parasite bite...then take over your mind and body
young mortar
Ha... Ha... Ha.... Goodnight
sonic ridge
The better response woulda been were it so easy
versed helm
How many planets does humanity inhabit?
versed helm
17 at its peak with harvest being the furthest
versed helm
Does anyone know which books to read to continue the onyx storyline since Im almost done with Ghost of Onyx
lunar condor
proud quail
glasslands have sections directly after GoO
the other two books not so much
after glasslands you'd want to go for the ferrets' series
Last Light and Retribution
terse lava
@versed helm17? That's after the war? At their height they had 800
versed helm
17 is I think probably the OG number
Derived from Contact Harvest, I think.
These days it's a lot more.
Though 800 is a number that includes a lot of insignificant/secret locations.
The number of true, heavily populated colonies is probably double-digits.
stoic hamlet
17 is indeed from Contact Harvest
And IIRC 800 number includes every station and moon base inhabited by Humanity not just full planets. I’m guessing the actual number of colonies pre-war was more like 200,
versed helm
So now im confused
stoic hamlet
The “17” is incorrect
versed helm
It’s around 200, Buck says something about it in Bad Blood
Blue/osiris team we’re talking with halsey about how many UNSC planets have been affected, halsey said ”They’ve gotten by what we know so far, 130 planets without power, There’s a guardian on the other side of sangheilios dealing with that side of the planet, shouldn’t come back”
That's a fair number.
A lot of sparsely populated outers, a few inners with big populations
Bad blood and new blood sound like a fun read
They're alright.
Not really at my preferred level of detail, but compelling enough to finish.
So how did we go from 200 to 17 by contact harvest if the convenant didnt meet humanity till harvest? Or am@I mixing things up?
Ah, I see.
The 17 number is not canon
Because it's been overwritten by newer material
Ohhhhhhhh
Yeah, that's a thing that happens
Quite a lot
Basically CH's only flaw, though, still a brilliant read
Yeah i know retcon is in all scifi lore
So its GoO retconned with Spartan Tom since he now died on reach yet somehow helped Kurt after Reach?
Wait
I think you're thinking of two separate Toms
GoO has Tom-B292, a Spartan III of Beta Company
And Thom-A293 died before the Battle of Reach. Six's precursor.
humble yacht
Lol
versed helm
The more you know
humble yacht
And don’t forget good ol’ Tom Lasky
hasty locust
Trying to think of other toms
versed helm
343 needs to specify that UNSC infantry firearms are hybrid-coilguns.
hasty locust
It wasnt the best
versed helm
Because apparently from Nightfall they need to be powered up to shoot, right?
And in Renegades an assault rifle is powered down when someone decides not to shoot someone else.
The UNSC uses coilguns everywhere except infantry weapons (ignoring the rail-coil-gun) and all their weapons are oddly bulky and many feed from undersized magazines.
So, bam, retcon thingo. Just make it so they have small cartridges to send them down the barrel, and then their velocity is amplified by coils.
It'd be pretty cool.
Human weapons in StarCraft work similarly.
hasty locust
And cant remember the term but the mag is behind the trigger in most UnSC infantry weapons we see
hasty locust
Thanks
versed helm
Though the thing about bullpup weapons is that they're normally the way they are to have long barrels but be shorter than a non-bullpup.
Yet UNSC weapons are, nearly without exception, enormous.
I mean it's aesthetic and I wouldn't change it for the world, but you can add some flavour there.
hasty locust
Yeah
proud quail
nightfall genuinely confuses me
hasty locust
Mhm
proud quail
why couldnt they use their rifles again?
because of an ammo counter?
that you cant turn off?
like what?
stoic hamlet
Because the worms would sense the electronics
versed helm
Maybe they've got electronic firing pins.
stoic hamlet
That’s my guess
versed helm
Should be hybrid coilguns.
stoic hamlet
Mhm
versed helm
Its a bullpup
versed helm
Well to be fair in Halo
hasty locust
I think it was just a budgeting issue
versed helm
Most stuff is EMP-shielded
stoic hamlet
UNSC Gear is EMP resistant.
proud quail
whack
versed helm
And things that actually cause the EMP effect are more arcane stuff
stoic hamlet
Much moreso than Covenant stuff
versed helm
Guardians emp
Like plasma weapons simply don't cause EMPs the way they do canonically
Guardian EMPs are actually an attenuation pulse
Something about sucking energy out of the quantum vacuum or something
stoic hamlet
It’s not technically an EMP.
hasty locust
I think the producers didnt want to do the special effects for the weapons so they made up some bull poop
stoic hamlet
We see the weapons fire quite a few times
hasty locust
Just my opinion
versed helm
lol
fair hazel
I like the scene where stuff goes down.
hasty locust
I didn’t enjoy it but meh 🤷♂️
fair hazel
The thanolekgolo start attacking and the condor is struck
proud quail
it's canon that an SIV can take a needler round to the heart
fair hazel
Then they fire and activate the camo device.
proud quail
and get right back into the action a week or less later
versed helm
I watched Nightfall again
fair hazel
Spartans have survived a lot.
versed helm
Looking to see if the prop MA5 magazine made it in
proud quail
yeah but needler round to the heart
versed helm
I actually enjoyed it
proud quail
no armour
versed helm
Some of the acting is a little... spicy.
proud quail
the guy was dressed down to fit in a market
versed helm
But it's mostly a tightly written story that comes unravelled when you forget some of the exposition
i mean, they have denser muscles, and all that, so it's not impossible
A little bit slow, though
And slow isn't exactly what I'm after in my Halo
proud quail
i dont think any amount of pecs you can have is gonna stop a bullet
stoic hamlet
But it’s the heart
proud quail
let alone a needler round
humble yacht
Did the needle pierce the heart or no?
stoic hamlet
....actually
proud quail
it wasnt said
stoic hamlet
I could maybe see it
versed helm
i'm saying they could of survived, i mean, people nowadays can survive a lot
stoic hamlet
The UNSC has absurdly good med-tech
proud quail
rion saw the guy got shot in the heart, he dropped her, then dropped
versed helm
where is this story from?
proud quail
renegades
stoic hamlet
As long as they were like fully out of commission
humble yacht
Depending on the amount of damage to the heart and how quickly they could get medical attention, survival is plausible
stoic hamlet
But they’re not gonna be walking that off
humble yacht
For one, if the needle was lodged in the heart, as long as they didn’t remove it, bleeding out wouldn’t have been all that fast
hasty locust
Havent read it so im gonna slide on outta here
stoic hamlet
They’re not a Gamma
proud quail
he got right back into the action a week later
stoic hamlet
Yeah that’s fine
hasty locust
Wouldnt the needle explode?
stoic hamlet
It would have yeah
humble yacht
A single needle doesn’t explode
proud quail
probably conveniently so
stoic hamlet
It shatters
humble yacht
Unless they had a bio foam canister or something to plug the wound
hasty locust
And the shards would get inside you!
proud quail
i just like how renegades say an SIV can be used on a sneaking mission despite their height if you paint them as gangsters
fair hazel
They don’t always Shatter. I can’t find such passage right now
proud quail
and i can totally believe that
the guy probably had unwritten underarmour now that i think about it
like some pics of CIA operatives in the middle east
but still
whack
versed helm
in FUD the one that hit Chyler didn't
fair hazel
I can’t find passage
versed helm
Same crystal, no?
stoic hamlet
What book? @fair hazel
fair hazel
Carbine doesn’t fire needles unless blood of Suban
versed helm
oh i was thinking sully i think
wrong person
no no no! it was a needle that impaled chyler
fair hazel
Didn’t needle hit rion? And not in the chest?
versed helm
I like the idea of the carbine being sorta just a generic gravitic catapult gun that can fire a wide range of things.
Yes, a needle was shot into Chylers stomach, it wasn't a carbine
fair hazel
We’re talking about halo renegades
versed helm
i was speaking about if chyler was shot with a carbine or needler
fair hazel
Needler
versed helm
and Rion isn't a spartan? right
he said she was a S-IV
The possibility exists that she might be a descendant of an ORION candidate.
Her grandfather supposedly died from Boren's.
Which would make Forge a Spartan 1.1 - but that's just a crackpot theory.
Both her and her father are very physically strong, though.
Well, we would probably know if he was part of the ORION project
Well, Forge wouldn't have been part of the project himself.
His father may have been
Once again, Boren's.
He could've died from ORION complications, but it was labelled Boren's instead.
That's a lot of guess work
Well, crackpot theory as I said.
But Forge got a few good knocks in against Ripa even before he stabbed him.
Ripa didn't take forge seriously
To the extent that he'd let himself get knocked over by a tackle?
And Rion choked and physically intimidated a dude in the opening of Smoke and Shadows.
It's not definitive proof or anything
But these are clearly physically strong, tough people
plot armor also
Plot armour comes in explained and un-explained varieties.
hasty locust
Rip lieutenant or was it sergeant 🤔
hasty locust
Well rip lieutenant gone but not forgotten 😢
hasty locust
Yeah
versed helm
lol, i just think it's funny, bc technically Jerome is a higher rank than Forge
Like, knowing what we know about Jerome he'd probably go out of his way not to hurt another UNSC soldier and let that soldier get a few licks in so they can get it off their chest.
No harm done after all.
Jerome probably wouldn't be affected by the punches really
being a II and all that
It would be a worse experience for Forge's fist.
and he also fought the flood with a chair
But all we know about their altercations was that it resulted in a broken chair.
what a legend
What is it with Jerome and chairs
Anyway I assume Forge either attacked Jerome with a chair or one got broken out of anger at some point
when the flood outbreak happened, he started using a chair to bash the flood
last anchor
They work.
I was kinda hoping his special in HW2 would be a giant chair
versed helm
Attacking a Spartan with a chair seems justified
last anchor
Im pretty sure its been done beore.
Also wasnt the fight between Douglas and Forge?
versed helm
Dunno
LOL instead of a commantis, a giant chair he goes around smacking people with
I had no doubt in my mind that it was Jerome
But if you think otherwise I may be wrong
no, it was jerome and forge
last anchor
Im pretty sure the Black Box said it was Douglas. I'll double check.
versed helm
"After Jerome recommended destroying 'Moramee's ship and killing Anders rather than let classified information fall into Covenant hands, Forge confronted the Spartan. The altercation resulted in a broken chair, a seal malfunction on a bulkhead, and a stern interruption from Serina. From then on, Forge and Jerome always ate together in the mess hall."
excerpt from halopedia
A seal malfunction
How'd that come about