#lore-and-universe | Halo | Page 244

stable schooner Oct 16, 2019, 11:04 PM

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In the closed Hangars with a stockpile of ammo though?

remote spruce Oct 16, 2019, 11:04 PM

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oh yea the ammo peeps

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also some dead ones near the place where the fireteam hold position

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and cells

terse lava Oct 16, 2019, 11:04 PM

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I just shrug that off seen as somehow a human made it on to high charity to study brutes

remote spruce Oct 16, 2019, 11:04 PM

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heck, outside the ship

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My guess is some other force was sent and they banzai charged into the ship

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the remaining 3 were captured and placed in cells next to Keyes

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Because there are also Elite corpses in the level

proud quail Oct 16, 2019, 11:06 PM

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oh yeah, T&R had a dead spec ops elite in the first area

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lol

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all for that cloak babyyyy

stable schooner Oct 16, 2019, 11:07 PM

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That’s not a Spec Op

remote spruce Oct 16, 2019, 11:07 PM

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accidentally has flashlight on

terse lava Oct 16, 2019, 11:07 PM

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Dont re all any in ce intol the Keyes level

proud quail Oct 16, 2019, 11:07 PM

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wasnt it a silver elite

remote spruce Oct 16, 2019, 11:07 PM

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spec ops are black armored in CE

proud quail Oct 16, 2019, 11:07 PM

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what's silver, then?

stable schooner Oct 16, 2019, 11:07 PM

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Theirs dead Untextured Elites that are minors in Anniversary

remote spruce Oct 16, 2019, 11:07 PM

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uh
wait what is silver?

stable schooner Oct 16, 2019, 11:07 PM

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Stealth Elites

proud quail Oct 16, 2019, 11:08 PM

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either way there's a dead one who's just

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right there

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being dead

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and a free invisibility poweru p

stable schooner Oct 16, 2019, 11:08 PM

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Yeah no The dead White Elites on the ground are just Elites with no Rank assigned in the files

remote spruce Oct 16, 2019, 11:08 PM

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there's one in the ship too
i guess those were the only casualties prior lol

stable schooner Oct 16, 2019, 11:09 PM

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Their Corrected Minors in Anniversary graphics

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Though Minors being by Camo also makes no sense but ah well

remote spruce Oct 16, 2019, 11:09 PM

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did any of the Anniversary games miss some unique graphics for enemies? Like the curlback Grunts

stable schooner Oct 16, 2019, 11:10 PM

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I mean Anniversary Covenant is just reskined Reach Covenant

terse lava Oct 16, 2019, 11:10 PM

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Yea nothing new

stable schooner Oct 16, 2019, 11:11 PM

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The Minor is a Reach Minor. The Major is a red and white Reach Elite Officer. The Stealth Elites are Silver Reach Spec Ops. The Spec Ops are Black Reach Spec Ops and the Zealots is a weird yellow Reach Zealot

remote spruce Oct 16, 2019, 11:12 PM

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weren't there weirdly colored Grunts in 2 Betrayals or something

stable schooner Oct 16, 2019, 11:13 PM

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Nah all the Grunts on Two Betrayals are Majors with a single Spec Op grunt for some reason at one of the Covenant camps

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That’s present in classic to though

remote spruce Oct 16, 2019, 11:14 PM

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in Anniversary graphics, all Unggoy Majors in this level who wield fuel rod guns wear red-colored Special Operations Unggoy masks.

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spooky if true

stable schooner Oct 16, 2019, 11:14 PM

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Time to check myself

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Man poor Zealots though they got massacred in Anniversary Graphics, the Armor isn’t even gold

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The har har har just ain’t the same

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@remote spruce you were right. The Fuel Rod Grunts wear Red Spec Op masks

terse lava Oct 16, 2019, 11:28 PM

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Maybe a sub rank of major like the officers

stable schooner Oct 16, 2019, 11:31 PM

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Nah the actual reason I 100% bet you is the Fuel Rod Grunts are Spec Op Grunts with the major Skin. Since Majors don’t actually spawn with Fuel Rods. But since Spec Op Grunts wear different armor in Anniversary the Fuel Rods Grunts got it to

terse lava Oct 16, 2019, 11:36 PM

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But they were regular majors in the original too

stable schooner Oct 16, 2019, 11:38 PM

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Which is why you didn’t notice since Spec Ops and Majors Wear the same armor in Classic

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Same principle as the Ultra Spec Op grunt glitch in 2 who appears as a normal Ultra in Classic but an Ultra Spec Op in Anniversary cause of new armor introduced

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Like little did you know Tartarus Bodyguards on Great Journey aren’t actually Captains but Brutes with the Captain Skin

unique rune Oct 16, 2019, 11:51 PM

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Yeah, they're still around.

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Small handful of known Spartan-IVs have turned to the Insurrection.

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Vladimir Scruggs (Escalation), Rudolf Schein (New Blood), and Michael "Mickey" Crespo are the few I remember off the top of my head.
Not sure if there's any others.

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Same one.

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And then there was also Ilsa Zane, the lone survivor of the prototype Spartan-IV program.

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Risky enough to kill 9 of 10 volunteers.

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Super effective, though.

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She was able to take on Palmer who was wearing GEN2 armor at the time, if I remember correctly.

drowsy mesa Oct 17, 2019, 12:00 AM

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S-IV = ORION recruitment + S-III enhancements

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why? many of the S-IVs enhancements came from Project CRYSANTHEMUM

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yes, they have biological augmentations: https://www.halopedia.org/Project_ORCHID

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 12:04 AM

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IVs are stronger, too

drowsy mesa Oct 17, 2019, 12:07 AM

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Sometimes, "biological augmentations" is used as synonym to "chemical and surgical augmentations"

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I think

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but, in summary, S-IV HAVE chemical and surgical augmentations, just as their predecessors (S-IIs and S-IIIs)

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 12:09 AM

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IV actually aren't anything to scoff at when it comes to the augs themselves - it's just their training and sheer combat ability that's kinda.. weird

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Going off later novels, the numbers are described more directly

drowsy mesa Oct 17, 2019, 12:11 AM

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Without armor: S-IIs > S-IIIs > S-IVs > ORION

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but with armor, everything is reduced to experience and combat abilities

proud quail Oct 17, 2019, 12:12 AM

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i mean, if we're going by realistic values and if IVs recruit more from ODSTs than they do randos,

drowsy mesa Oct 17, 2019, 12:12 AM

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no, S-IVs are stronger than ORIONs

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 12:12 AM

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Not sure. Later novels have had John trapped under a vehicle said to be 1.5x the size of a warthog, yet he managed to wiggle around under it despite poor leverage

proud quail Oct 17, 2019, 12:12 AM

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they'd have training and experience close to an SII

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like, IVs should be veterans

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and not every Spartan II got the privilege of fighting daily during the HCW

drowsy mesa Oct 17, 2019, 12:13 AM

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several of them are veterans from the HCW

terse lava Oct 17, 2019, 12:13 AM

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I would think 4s might be a little bit better as they are.full grown.adults where the 3s are teens

proud quail Oct 17, 2019, 12:13 AM

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in every conflict

drowsy mesa Oct 17, 2019, 12:13 AM

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some from a few years, others from the beginning, I think

proud quail Oct 17, 2019, 12:13 AM

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i dont think we have beginner veterans

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nobody's that old

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oh wait

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 12:14 AM

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Baseline IVs are said to be able to lift warthogs. John, on the other hand, managed to stand under 12 thousand kilos of force @drowsy mesa

proud quail Oct 17, 2019, 12:14 AM

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chief is like

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40, aint he?

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uh, yeah, i can see a 50 something SIV veteran, but atm we have none

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HCW is a 27 year conflict

drowsy mesa Oct 17, 2019, 12:14 AM

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@proud quail 47 by the events of Halo 5

proud quail Oct 17, 2019, 12:15 AM

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2525 straight onto 2552

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huh

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30-40 years are totally plausible, yeah

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but atm we have none

drowsy mesa Oct 17, 2019, 12:15 AM

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and Buck is 48

proud quail Oct 17, 2019, 12:15 AM

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...huh

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so i stand corrected

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davis?

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the dude with the messed up ears?

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yellow recruit armour?

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now a forerunner memory?

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he doesnt have an age

drowsy mesa Oct 17, 2019, 12:16 AM

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or Dutch, who is 39 years old by the time of Halo 5

proud quail Oct 17, 2019, 12:16 AM

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dutch is younger than buck?

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that's

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weird

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i'd be, too

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they have the bodies of 16 year olds

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or 20 somethings

drowsy mesa Oct 17, 2019, 12:18 AM

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well, in Forward Unto Dawn, Blue Team was just barely 14-15 years old

proud quail Oct 17, 2019, 12:18 AM

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that's incredibly uncanny when you remember they've fought early in the war

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 12:18 AM

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I'm happy that Dutch is a Spartan now

proud quail Oct 17, 2019, 12:18 AM

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remember when dutch retired

drowsy mesa Oct 17, 2019, 12:19 AM

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yeah? after Rookie was killed

proud quail Oct 17, 2019, 12:19 AM

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all of them

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except one

drowsy mesa Oct 17, 2019, 12:19 AM

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except for Rookie and Dare, all of them

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 12:19 AM

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@versed helm All sans rookie, also Gretchen

drowsy mesa Oct 17, 2019, 12:19 AM

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with a new addition: Gretchen Ketola, Dutch's wife

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 12:19 AM

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yea

proud quail Oct 17, 2019, 12:19 AM

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rookie became a spartan, they just genderbent him and made her dutch's wife

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and gave him a background that isnt just listening to a dying man

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 12:20 AM

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Lol

drowsy mesa Oct 17, 2019, 12:20 AM

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I can see Halo Follower publishing a video with that AU xD

proud quail Oct 17, 2019, 12:20 AM

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wew

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 12:20 AM

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Yeah, Dirt was pretty underwhelming

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Even just down to the name

proud quail Oct 17, 2019, 12:20 AM

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it was dirty, that's for sure

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ayyyy lmao

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 12:20 AM

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LOL

terse lava Oct 17, 2019, 12:21 AM

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Throws tomato

proud quail Oct 17, 2019, 12:21 AM

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jokes on you, i frickin' love tomatoes

terse lava Oct 17, 2019, 12:21 AM

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...

proud quail Oct 17, 2019, 12:21 AM

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locke may be the strongest spartan

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but can he ever flip like vale does

terse lava Oct 17, 2019, 12:21 AM

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glasses planet

proud quail Oct 17, 2019, 12:22 AM

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also WOW speaking of that cutscene

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isnt it just awfully convenient that elites had no shields

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so they all got wiped off the face of the sunaion or whatever the planet was called

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 12:22 AM

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Spartan strength is pretty inconsistent, really. It ranges from cracking concrete a bit (TFoR animated series), to smashing through boulders and warping the hull of a seraph fighter with body-slams

proud quail Oct 17, 2019, 12:23 AM

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because chief is the main character

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and nobody liked osiris

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that's all there is to it

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buck shouldn't even be there

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but thorne's voice actor was standing up for his rights

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god bless him

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foreal, gabriel thorne was gonna be the fourth member to osiris

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there was a poster and everything

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gimme a sec to find it

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correction, it was concept art, ill DM you

drowsy mesa Oct 17, 2019, 12:25 AM

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that concept art became the cover of the Art book of Halo 5

proud quail Oct 17, 2019, 12:25 AM

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OH WAIT NO I FOUND IT

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yeah

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but back then voice actors in the gaming industry were on strike

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something to do with pay

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and nathan fillion was fresh out of his cayde-6 DLCs in Destiny 1, iirc

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so that's how we got him in halo 5, being a funny man

remote spruce Oct 17, 2019, 12:27 AM

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big yawn moment right there

proud quail Oct 17, 2019, 12:28 AM

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am i wrong though

remote spruce Oct 17, 2019, 12:28 AM

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I think the strike was after Halo 5

proud quail Oct 17, 2019, 12:29 AM

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wasnt it during?

nocturne quest Oct 17, 2019, 12:29 AM

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you are right, denmark, in fact, is additionally not a real country

remote spruce Oct 17, 2019, 12:29 AM

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I know Halo Wars 2 was affected by it

proud quail Oct 17, 2019, 12:29 AM

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it went on for a couple years

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like, i think a verdict came out last year or 2017

remote spruce Oct 17, 2019, 12:29 AM

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016–17_video_game_voice_actor_strike

proud quail Oct 17, 2019, 12:29 AM

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but the explanation for a lack of thorne was because voice actor strikes

remote spruce Oct 17, 2019, 12:30 AM

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I thought it was schedule conflicts

proud quail Oct 17, 2019, 12:30 AM

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errr

drowsy mesa Oct 17, 2019, 12:30 AM

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yeah, it was for schedule conflicts

proud quail Oct 17, 2019, 12:30 AM

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that's also a likely thing but i always assumed it was the strikes

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bleh whatever

remote spruce Oct 17, 2019, 12:31 AM

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I recall how strange it was that Fillion was free to do Halo 5 but not Thorne's VA

proud quail Oct 17, 2019, 12:34 AM

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hm

terse lava Oct 17, 2019, 12:36 AM

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Guess they cared about the fans more?

proud quail Oct 17, 2019, 12:41 AM

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if they didnt they'd give us the whole alpha nine experience, or any other recognizable fireteam

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like majestic

terse lava Oct 17, 2019, 12:42 AM

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Perhaps

terse lava Oct 17, 2019, 1:02 AM

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You know I wonder what the covenant plan was had chief failed to destroy alpha halo with that flood outbreak

proud quail Oct 17, 2019, 1:08 AM

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to just die

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there were no signs of any other ship outside the T&R iirc

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and we all saw how that was going

terse lava Oct 17, 2019, 1:09 AM

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Their was a whole fleet on orbit....

proud quail Oct 17, 2019, 1:11 AM

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and none of them did anything? what?

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what lmao

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oh

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right

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halo 2

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they really did do nothing

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lmao

terse lava Oct 17, 2019, 1:13 AM

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What makes you say that? They sent strike teams to clean the ship, they blasted 2 of their fellow ships to prevent the flood leaving

proud quail Oct 17, 2019, 1:15 AM

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was this in the books or something? i distinctly remember the T&R still floating and the flood still being a threat

terse lava Oct 17, 2019, 1:15 AM

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Books, the graphic novel, map bios in halo 5

proud quail Oct 17, 2019, 1:16 AM

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that explains why i dont know what you're talking about

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 1:16 AM

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What was the other ship?

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Infinite Succour and

terse lava Oct 17, 2019, 1:16 AM

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One was the fleet's food ship the infinite succor

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I can't remember the other one, was a galo 5 map bio

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 1:17 AM

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Oh, interesting

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Regret?

terse lava Oct 17, 2019, 1:17 AM

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Yea

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 1:17 AM

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amusing

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Does anyone else find it kinda funny how Troy Denning's work displays UNSC ergonomics with actually solid intelligence

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all while contradicting itself with things like the design of their own vehicles that break said concepts? Lol

feral perch Oct 17, 2019, 1:35 AM

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examples?

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 2:07 AM

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Details such as John describing how performing a strafing run beyond 30 degrees from the target simply makes the pilot equally as vulnerable - all while jumping into a Scorpion tank with an usually raised neck

feral perch Oct 17, 2019, 2:11 AM

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Chief never uses a Scorpion in any of Denning’s works.

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 2:52 AM

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Lol, but it's still in the same setting where things like that are so prominent

feral perch Oct 17, 2019, 3:10 AM

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Oh well.

stable schooner Oct 17, 2019, 3:25 AM

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You know I’ve been too hard on Penitent Tangent. He did contain the flood for Thousands of years. 343 Guilty Spark let them spread all over the ring in no time

young glen Oct 17, 2019, 3:43 AM

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Fair point

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Which track is better Impend or Heretic, Hero

gilded mason Oct 17, 2019, 3:44 AM

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Heretic, Hero

young glen Oct 17, 2019, 3:47 AM

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In Amber Clad or The Movement of The 1st Odyssey

sonic ridge Oct 17, 2019, 3:47 AM

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What rank was Thel m before he was made arbiter

gilded mason Oct 17, 2019, 3:47 AM

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Supreme Commander

sonic ridge Oct 17, 2019, 3:47 AM

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And what was his ships name

young glen Oct 17, 2019, 3:48 AM

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Seeker of Truth

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 3:48 AM

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@feral perch lmao perfect response

sonic ridge Oct 17, 2019, 3:48 AM

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Okay to both

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What is in amber clad

young glen Oct 17, 2019, 3:49 AM

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A track from Halo 2

sonic ridge Oct 17, 2019, 3:49 AM

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But cortana says it in halo 2

gilded mason Oct 17, 2019, 3:49 AM

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What

stable schooner Oct 17, 2019, 3:49 AM

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Heretic Hero, impend has a good opening but Heretic maintains the feels all track

sonic ridge Oct 17, 2019, 3:49 AM

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She’s says something about in amber clad in halo 2 on gravemind

gilded mason Oct 17, 2019, 3:50 AM

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Anyway, my vote goes to In Amber Clad

young glen Oct 17, 2019, 3:50 AM

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give it a listen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNhfuhiveUM

pulsar horizon Oct 17, 2019, 3:50 AM

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Isn't it the name of a ship?

sonic ridge Oct 17, 2019, 3:50 AM

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Idk

gilded mason Oct 17, 2019, 3:50 AM

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She’s says something about in amber clad in halo 2 on gravemind
Yes. It's Miranda's ship and a track

sonic ridge Oct 17, 2019, 3:50 AM

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It might be

young glen Oct 17, 2019, 3:50 AM

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Yes, its also a track name

sonic ridge Oct 17, 2019, 3:50 AM

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Oh

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It’s the unsc ship

gilded mason Oct 17, 2019, 3:50 AM

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Yes

young glen Oct 17, 2019, 3:50 AM

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yes

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Some of martys best work

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 3:50 AM

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Is it explained how Thel is at the bleeding edge of aristocracy in terms of naval tactics while also remaining as being among the greatest infantry? I mean, he's close to Rtas' tier without even being as dedicated to close combat

gilded mason Oct 17, 2019, 3:50 AM

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Because he's talented.

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 3:51 AM

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Lol fair enough

gilded mason Oct 17, 2019, 3:51 AM

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And tries his best

sonic ridge Oct 17, 2019, 3:51 AM

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Were 👏 it 👏 so 👏 easy 👏

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 3:52 AM

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I guess. Just after reading a few other novels with supreme commanders and fleetmasters, they seem to have trouble keeping up with Special Operations

young glen Oct 17, 2019, 3:52 AM

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Halo 3 had the weakest campaign story wise out of the original trilogy, Change my mind

gilded mason Oct 17, 2019, 3:52 AM

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Nope, I agree

young glen Oct 17, 2019, 3:52 AM

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Good man

gilded mason Oct 17, 2019, 3:52 AM

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H2 > CE > H3

pulsar horizon Oct 17, 2019, 3:53 AM

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What about ODST?

sonic ridge Oct 17, 2019, 3:53 AM

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original trilogy

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 3:53 AM

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I dunno, maybe very slightly in CE and 2's favour with the narrative - but 3 isn't far off from them IMHO

stable schooner Oct 17, 2019, 3:53 AM

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I mean Thels a Zealot and is shown stomping 3 elites at once. I put him above Rtas. Amber clad stomps that contest

gilded mason Oct 17, 2019, 3:53 AM

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Ah, but Rtas has Jedi speeds!

sonic ridge Oct 17, 2019, 3:54 AM

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Wait who is the leader of the Sangheili the sos are fighting in 5

young glen Oct 17, 2019, 3:54 AM

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I overcame my nostalgia for H3 a few years back. Its campaign is stretched, a rehash of CE, and left out the Arbiter as a main character.

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Arbiter

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 3:54 AM

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@stable schooner It's pretty funny how drastic the variety can be. You have elites with comparatively normal speed and reflexes, to ones who dance around bullet-dodgers - Sangheili that go down to a couple of marines, then Arbiters who take on entire armies

stable schooner Oct 17, 2019, 3:54 AM

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But yeah I agree 2>CE>3

sonic ridge Oct 17, 2019, 3:54 AM

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The Sangheili the sos are fighting

gilded mason Oct 17, 2019, 3:54 AM

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Wait who is the leader of the Sangheili the sos are fighting in 5
It was Jul 'Mdama (may he rest in peace)

sonic ridge Oct 17, 2019, 3:54 AM

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But he’s dead so why are they still fighting

gilded mason Oct 17, 2019, 3:55 AM

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Second in command continuing on, I assume

sonic ridge Oct 17, 2019, 3:55 AM

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Also they didn’t get rid of the arbiter as a main character

young glen Oct 17, 2019, 3:55 AM

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Yes they did

sonic ridge Oct 17, 2019, 3:55 AM

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How did they do that

pulsar horizon Oct 17, 2019, 3:55 AM

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He felt much more like a side character.

gilded mason Oct 17, 2019, 3:55 AM

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Sadly

sonic ridge Oct 17, 2019, 3:55 AM

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I disagree

young glen Oct 17, 2019, 3:56 AM

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He went from a playable character for the majority of Halo 2 to a guy with little to no dialogue and could no longer be played a s on single player

gilded mason Oct 17, 2019, 3:56 AM

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they done him dirty

pulsar horizon Oct 17, 2019, 3:56 AM

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A guess because more people played the game co-op they didn't bother giving him his own story.

sonic ridge Oct 17, 2019, 3:56 AM

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He has quite a lot of dialogue in 3

young glen Oct 17, 2019, 3:56 AM

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Not when compared to Halo 2

gilded mason Oct 17, 2019, 3:56 AM

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It's pretty surface level for the most part.

stable schooner Oct 17, 2019, 3:56 AM

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Yeah Arbiter hasn’t been a main character since 3 if you play it Co-op

sonic ridge Oct 17, 2019, 3:56 AM

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He only talks in cutscenes in 2

gilded mason Oct 17, 2019, 3:56 AM

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Besides that one scene with Truth.

sonic ridge Oct 17, 2019, 3:56 AM

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He talks throughout missions he’s in in 3

stable schooner Oct 17, 2019, 3:57 AM

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Arbiter talks a lot in 3 but it has little meaning compared to 2

gilded mason Oct 17, 2019, 3:57 AM

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👆

sonic ridge Oct 17, 2019, 3:57 AM

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Because in 2 it was only cutscenes

young glen Oct 17, 2019, 3:57 AM

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Personally, unpopular opinion, Arbiter is a better character then Chief. Idk i got a thing for underdog anti heros

gilded mason Oct 17, 2019, 3:57 AM

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Ain't unpopular.

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I absolutely agree, and many others do as well

sonic ridge Oct 17, 2019, 3:58 AM

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That’s like saying the chief had more meaningful dialogue in 2 than 4 since he only talks in cutscenes in 2 and says some meh stuff while playing him in 4

pulsar horizon Oct 17, 2019, 3:58 AM

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Arbiter actually has depth, all chief's lore is in books.

gilded mason Oct 17, 2019, 3:58 AM

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and says some meh stuff while playing him in 4
Didn't seem that way to me

stable schooner Oct 17, 2019, 3:58 AM

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No cause 2S Arbiter Cutscenes > 3s.

young glen Oct 17, 2019, 3:58 AM

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Dont get me wrong i love Chief, but if you look at Chief from the original trilogy hes kinda just a silent action hero who says one liners, not very complex. If anything hes emotion less

gilded mason Oct 17, 2019, 3:59 AM

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I liked him in CE. Has some nice sass.

sonic ridge Oct 17, 2019, 3:59 AM

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He’s supposed to be emotionless

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I literally said chief

pulsar horizon Oct 17, 2019, 3:59 AM

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Nvm, I can't read

sonic ridge Oct 17, 2019, 3:59 AM

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Boi

stable schooner Oct 17, 2019, 3:59 AM

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No thanks to your driving

pulsar horizon Oct 17, 2019, 4:00 AM

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We'll make it

gilded mason Oct 17, 2019, 4:00 AM

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And he was very physically expressive.

stable schooner Oct 17, 2019, 4:00 AM

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Tosses grenade in his hand

gilded mason Oct 17, 2019, 4:01 AM

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And his control room scenes.

young glen Oct 17, 2019, 4:01 AM

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Anyone else think Halo Infintes Chief armor is a little too bulky? I wish they had just reused Chiefs armor from Halo 2 remaster, crap why not everything from Halo 2 remaster everything in that game is the best Halo has ever looked.

sonic ridge Oct 17, 2019, 4:01 AM

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Except for the elite minor armour

pulsar horizon Oct 17, 2019, 4:01 AM

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I mean he has some flair when he melee with the magnum, he like flips it around. Thats some personality.

stable schooner Oct 17, 2019, 4:02 AM

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From CE to 3 I’d say Chief talked less with every game

gilded mason Oct 17, 2019, 4:02 AM

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I wish they had just reused Chiefs armor from Halo 2 remaster
Mark V 4 lyfe

young glen Oct 17, 2019, 4:02 AM

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Preach

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 4:02 AM

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14 year-old chief is kinda weird, but in a goodish way

sonic ridge Oct 17, 2019, 4:02 AM

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Halo 3 had the best chief armour

young glen Oct 17, 2019, 4:03 AM

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Got a poster of that Halo 2 remaster armor in my room

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I liked the darker green from Halo2 over 3's light green

sonic ridge Oct 17, 2019, 4:03 AM

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Halo 3s isn’t light tho

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It’s pickle

gilded mason Oct 17, 2019, 4:04 AM

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To clarify, Mark V is his armor from CE. (just in case that wasn't clear)

young glen Oct 17, 2019, 4:04 AM

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when compared to Halo 2 its a lighter tone

sonic ridge Oct 17, 2019, 4:04 AM

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Caboose armour

trail wyvern Oct 17, 2019, 4:04 AM

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@versed helm

What do you mean by weird? I haven't read the books themselves, just whatever is online.

stable schooner Oct 17, 2019, 4:05 AM

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“Commander Human Vehicle” as I jam out To Blowing up Enforcers with Genesong

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 4:06 AM

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@trail wyvern Just in contrast to what he says, how he obeys certain people and his voice. It's odd, he seems more Captain America-like, which is kinda cool in a way

pulsar horizon Oct 17, 2019, 4:06 AM

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Chief in "Fall of Reach" show sounds like that.

young glen Oct 17, 2019, 4:06 AM

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Mark V was a little awkward, i prefer Mark 4 from Halo Wars

trail wyvern Oct 17, 2019, 4:07 AM

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@versed helm

Idk, I still need to get all the books. I've only got The Fall Of Reach, The Flood and Contact Harvest

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 4:07 AM

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Yeah. I prefer how he sounds in the FuD film myself

trail wyvern Oct 17, 2019, 4:07 AM

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Need to find the rest yet.

pulsar horizon Oct 17, 2019, 4:07 AM

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FuD is great.

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Is he only 14 in that?

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 4:08 AM

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@trail wyvern I recommend reading Contact Harvest, Silent Storm and Oblivion after Tfor in that order

young glen Oct 17, 2019, 4:08 AM

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A moment of silence for the cancelled Peter Jackson Halo Film.

pulsar horizon Oct 17, 2019, 4:08 AM

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F

trail wyvern Oct 17, 2019, 4:08 AM

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@versed helm

Guessing they go in that order?

stable schooner Oct 17, 2019, 4:09 AM

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Man I just Hate Breaking the Covenant. Gravemind just isn’t the same

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 4:09 AM

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@trail wyvern Yeah

young glen Oct 17, 2019, 4:09 AM

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Chiefs really lucky that he got in contact with Lord Hood at the end of Halo 2 before they shot him out of the sky.

pulsar horizon Oct 17, 2019, 4:10 AM

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Q: How does the plasma sword have enough density to lift people. Given it's just gas?

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 4:10 AM

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@stable schooner I know what you mean. I still really like Follow in Flight, though

stable schooner Oct 17, 2019, 4:11 AM

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That imo was actually better then the original

gilded mason Oct 17, 2019, 4:11 AM

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Chiefs really lucky that he got in contact with Lord Hood at the end of Halo 2 before they shot him out of the sky.
I don't think it would have really mattered

stoic hamlet Oct 17, 2019, 4:12 AM

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Honestly they should have fired anyways

young glen Oct 17, 2019, 4:12 AM

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You saying the crumbling Earth defenses couldnt have shot the ancient super ship out of the sky?

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 4:12 AM

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@pulsar horizon Likely by using the same "anti-gravity rods" that hold the blade in place. Maybe they can be tuned in density and focus

stoic hamlet Oct 17, 2019, 4:12 AM

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One Spartan isn’t much compared to that high value of a target

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Not to mention there were other Spartans in theatre anyways.

pulsar horizon Oct 17, 2019, 4:13 AM

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I thought it was just ionised gas held by a magnetic field.

gilded mason Oct 17, 2019, 4:13 AM

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Yeah, exchange one spartan for the leader of the Covenant. It'd make sense.

stable schooner Oct 17, 2019, 4:13 AM

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Dang Hood should have did it

stoic hamlet Oct 17, 2019, 4:13 AM

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I mean it likely wouldn’t do anything, but that’s a trade I’d be more than willing to make, tbh

gilded mason Oct 17, 2019, 4:13 AM

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It wouldn't have worked anyway, I imagine

pulsar horizon Oct 17, 2019, 4:13 AM

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Why didn't they just shoot it down after he jumped?

gilded mason Oct 17, 2019, 4:14 AM

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Because it was too powerful

young glen Oct 17, 2019, 4:14 AM

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Why did Chief jump?

stoic hamlet Oct 17, 2019, 4:14 AM

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It wouldn’t have done anything

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It’s a Forerunner ship

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The thing is basically impenetrable to UNSC arms

terse lava Oct 17, 2019, 4:14 AM

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Waste of ammo really

stoic hamlet Oct 17, 2019, 4:15 AM

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It’s also completely unarmed so it can’t fight back, but it can’t be destroyed, so yeah, waste of ammo.

stable schooner Oct 17, 2019, 4:15 AM

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Sniper Jackal Fives

young glen Oct 17, 2019, 4:15 AM

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Chief should've died at some point by now

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Like one lucky shot

gilded mason Oct 17, 2019, 4:16 AM

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It’s also completely unarmed so it can’t fight back
Hm? As far as I know, it does have weapons

stoic hamlet Oct 17, 2019, 4:16 AM

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Weren’t those removed?

gilded mason Oct 17, 2019, 4:16 AM

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Oh, were they?

pulsar horizon Oct 17, 2019, 4:16 AM

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Why?

gilded mason Oct 17, 2019, 4:16 AM

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Ah, you're right

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The two races then penned the Writ of Union, which formally established the Covenant, and decommissioned the Forerunner warship, removing all known weapons

stoic hamlet Oct 17, 2019, 4:17 AM

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I mean it’s possible Truth had the dreadnought re-weaponized but not with its original armament

young glen Oct 17, 2019, 4:17 AM

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Was anyone on the planet happy Cortana became a villain?

stoic hamlet Oct 17, 2019, 4:17 AM

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Probably not

gilded mason Oct 17, 2019, 4:17 AM

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Yeah, it was a bit out of left field

terse lava Oct 17, 2019, 4:18 AM

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A bit?

gilded mason Oct 17, 2019, 4:18 AM

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Just a teensy-tiny bit

young glen Oct 17, 2019, 4:18 AM

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Halo 4: Heres Cortana emotional perfect send off. Halo 5: Ima end this mans whole career

feral perch Oct 17, 2019, 4:18 AM

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Who likes Mark V[B]?

stoic hamlet Oct 17, 2019, 4:18 AM

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raises hand

pulsar horizon Oct 17, 2019, 4:19 AM

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Eh its alright

stoic hamlet Oct 17, 2019, 4:19 AM

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Also it’s just Mark IV but with shields.....

young glen Oct 17, 2019, 4:19 AM

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Mark 4 from Halo Wars was better

feral perch Oct 17, 2019, 4:19 AM

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I like it with the forehead attachment.

young glen Oct 17, 2019, 4:19 AM

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For its time Mark V was okay

stoic hamlet Oct 17, 2019, 4:19 AM

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I stand by the idea that it became “late War” Mark IV armour.

stable schooner Oct 17, 2019, 4:19 AM

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Mark IV fan myself

stoic hamlet Oct 17, 2019, 4:20 AM

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While the HW armour is “Early War”

gilded mason Oct 17, 2019, 4:20 AM

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Mark V is always the best Spartan armor. ❤
So sleek and smooth.

feral perch Oct 17, 2019, 4:20 AM

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Mark IV Halo Wars is perfect IMO.

stoic hamlet Oct 17, 2019, 4:20 AM

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They can both coexist IMO

feral perch Oct 17, 2019, 4:20 AM

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Aesthetically, of course.

stoic hamlet Oct 17, 2019, 4:20 AM

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I like them both for different reasons

young glen Oct 17, 2019, 4:20 AM

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Sleek and Smooth halo 5 wants to know your location

gilded mason Oct 17, 2019, 4:21 AM

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o no

feral perch Oct 17, 2019, 4:21 AM

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It seems that Mjolnir variants were a dime a dozen throughout the Covenant War... hmm

young glen Oct 17, 2019, 4:21 AM

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Reachs armor was some of the best. All looked lived in

pulsar horizon Oct 17, 2019, 4:22 AM

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And died in

gilded mason Oct 17, 2019, 4:22 AM

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eyy

young glen Oct 17, 2019, 4:22 AM

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Too soon

stoic hamlet Oct 17, 2019, 4:22 AM

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Reminder the only different armour pieces were the helmet, shoulders and knee guards

young glen Oct 17, 2019, 4:22 AM

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Remember Reach

feral perch Oct 17, 2019, 4:22 AM

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Am I the only one who feels like Reach’s armor weathering made some parts look more like cardboard than metal?

gilded mason Oct 17, 2019, 4:22 AM

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Good times.

young glen Oct 17, 2019, 4:22 AM

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You are the only one

stoic hamlet Oct 17, 2019, 4:22 AM

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Everything else was added onto the base suit, and I liked that a lot

stable schooner Oct 17, 2019, 4:22 AM

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You can change the chest in Reach to can’t you?

unique rune Oct 17, 2019, 4:22 AM

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Something about Reach's weathering always looked off to me, but I dunno if I'd describe it as cardboard-like.

stoic hamlet Oct 17, 2019, 4:22 AM

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Nope

feral perch Oct 17, 2019, 4:22 AM

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Especially the forearm armor.

pulsar horizon Oct 17, 2019, 4:22 AM

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Just the plating on it

young glen Oct 17, 2019, 4:23 AM

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There all attachments to the same armor

unique rune Oct 17, 2019, 4:23 AM

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Reach's chest armor could be changed, but it was just add-ons to the same base chest plating.

stable schooner Oct 17, 2019, 4:23 AM

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Ah it’s been a while totally forgot

stoic hamlet Oct 17, 2019, 4:23 AM

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It doesn’t change, you just add gear/playing to the base chest.

and it was wonderful

feral perch Oct 17, 2019, 4:23 AM

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I mean, I would say Grenadier with the huge collar might count as a different chest piece

stoic hamlet Oct 17, 2019, 4:23 AM

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Yeah, fair

young glen Oct 17, 2019, 4:23 AM

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Robot arm too

stoic hamlet Oct 17, 2019, 4:23 AM

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But everything else

unique rune Oct 17, 2019, 4:23 AM

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Eh. More just additional armor with more plates bolted on, really.

gilded mason Oct 17, 2019, 4:24 AM

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Robot arm too
Robot arms are neato. 👍

stoic hamlet Oct 17, 2019, 4:24 AM

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At any rate, I felt that was the best way to show unique Spartans while still keeping to the same “everyone wore the same armour” from the original books.

feral perch Oct 17, 2019, 4:24 AM

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If only the player could have two robot arms...

gilded mason Oct 17, 2019, 4:24 AM

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At any rate, I felt that was the best way to show unique Spartans while still keeping to the same “everyone wore the same armour” from the original books.
Ye

young glen Oct 17, 2019, 4:24 AM

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One thing that always made me angry was that you couldn't recreate any member of Noble Team exact. There was always one thing they had that you couldn't get

feral perch Oct 17, 2019, 4:24 AM

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I bet that’ll be... let’s say “grafted in” to the PC release

stoic hamlet Oct 17, 2019, 4:25 AM

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Mhm

young glen Oct 17, 2019, 4:25 AM

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Jorges Red visor still burns a hole in my heart

pulsar horizon Oct 17, 2019, 4:25 AM

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You can get close with Carter

feral perch Oct 17, 2019, 4:25 AM

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You can’t ever have Chief’s exact appearance either, in any Halo.

stoic hamlet Oct 17, 2019, 4:25 AM

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You can do Carter exactly I think

young glen Oct 17, 2019, 4:25 AM

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Halo Ce. hold my beer

stable schooner Oct 17, 2019, 4:25 AM

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Gotta keep em unique

stoic hamlet Oct 17, 2019, 4:26 AM

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Emile as well, just the visor colour is off.

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I think

feral perch Oct 17, 2019, 4:26 AM

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Carter has a butt pouch that’s not accessible to players

stoic hamlet Oct 17, 2019, 4:26 AM

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It is though

feral perch Oct 17, 2019, 4:26 AM

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At least not with the commando chest piece

pulsar horizon Oct 17, 2019, 4:26 AM

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Na sholders are on the wrong side for Emile unfortunately

stoic hamlet Oct 17, 2019, 4:26 AM

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Isn’t it there on the piece?

young glen Oct 17, 2019, 4:26 AM

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Jun had a special shoulder piece

pulsar horizon Oct 17, 2019, 4:26 AM

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Emile's left handed and the player is right

feral perch Oct 17, 2019, 4:27 AM

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Oh, if it’s not that, then Carter has white stripes on his armor

young glen Oct 17, 2019, 4:27 AM

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Its like they were taunting us. Heres Emiles helmet.....but you'll never be him

stoic hamlet Oct 17, 2019, 4:27 AM

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I swear Emile has Operator left and (Security?) right?

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You can get very, very close at any rate

feral perch Oct 17, 2019, 4:27 AM

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Emile has true black primary color, a red shoulder pad, and silver secondary

stoic hamlet Oct 17, 2019, 4:28 AM

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Ah right

young glen Oct 17, 2019, 4:28 AM

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Jorge dies Emile: Big man was always pretty sentimental.

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loved Emile

feral perch Oct 17, 2019, 4:28 AM

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Jun has a copper visor and a knife on his right shoulder. I really want that knife.

pulsar horizon Oct 17, 2019, 4:28 AM

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Ah yea it's his arm band with the shells thats on the wrong side i think

young glen Oct 17, 2019, 4:29 AM

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Kat is no where close, wrong chestplate

stoic hamlet Oct 17, 2019, 4:29 AM

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Yeah, well, I suppose that’s the thing about it being a game, a Spartan wouldn’t be limited to two colours in the same specific pattern.

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It’s the standard chest plate with the robot arm

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But everything else you can get, to my knowledge, though her paint scheme isn’t available.

young glen Oct 17, 2019, 4:30 AM

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yall remember "Deliver Hope"?

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still gives me chills

stoic hamlet Oct 17, 2019, 4:30 AM

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Side note

feral perch Oct 17, 2019, 4:30 AM

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You can replicate the exact appearance of one Spartan in Reach’s multi, Noble Six! hah.. hah hah...

stoic hamlet Oct 17, 2019, 4:30 AM

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I really wish book covers would show armour as they’re described in the books

pulsar horizon Oct 17, 2019, 4:31 AM

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Man Halo had the best by far promo material

stoic hamlet Oct 17, 2019, 4:31 AM

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I.E, SPI being a base gray, or in Silent Storm, all the Spartan Armour was black, but on the cover John has his usual green.

young glen Oct 17, 2019, 4:31 AM

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Along with the ODST ones and that figurine display one

pulsar horizon Oct 17, 2019, 4:31 AM

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We are ODST, Believe, Deliver Hope.

feral perch Oct 17, 2019, 4:32 AM

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To be fair, SPI should’ve blended in with the background in GoO’s cover

stoic hamlet Oct 17, 2019, 4:32 AM

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True, but Kurt might not have had the panels active

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Thus, it should have been gray

young glen Oct 17, 2019, 4:32 AM

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Sad part Halo 5 had some of the best promo too, until... to quote Spongebob they SOILED IT SOILED IT

feral perch Oct 17, 2019, 4:32 AM

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Is that confirmed to be Kurt?

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I haven’t been sure.

pulsar horizon Oct 17, 2019, 4:33 AM

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Eh I remember the trailer with Chief's heart beating, not much else.

stoic hamlet Oct 17, 2019, 4:33 AM

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I don’t know who else it could be, seeing as the team in that book was usually Fred, Kelly and Kurt.

Fred is in the Mark VI, Kelly in Mark V, and then Kurt would be in the SPI

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Mind Fred wouldn’t be in that Mark VI anymore

feral perch Oct 17, 2019, 4:34 AM

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That was Will in the Mark VI

stoic hamlet Oct 17, 2019, 4:34 AM

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As in Canon he was wearing GEN1 Centuerion

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Originally though it was Fred

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Before his armour changed

feral perch Oct 17, 2019, 4:34 AM

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Probably, but Will isn’t a major character, so not much chance that his armor gets a retcon too

stoic hamlet Oct 17, 2019, 4:35 AM

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Aye

young glen Oct 17, 2019, 4:35 AM

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They removed them from Yotube due to backlash, but basically they released two trailer both live action one with chief dying and locke walking over through rubble asking chief if it was all worth it and points the gun at chief before it ends, same thing for the second trailer except locke is on the ground now and chief has the gun

feral perch Oct 17, 2019, 4:35 AM

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I liked those.

stoic hamlet Oct 17, 2019, 4:35 AM

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I do wish Ghosts got an updated cover like TFoR, Flood, First Strike

young glen Oct 17, 2019, 4:35 AM

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was brillaint

feral perch Oct 17, 2019, 4:35 AM

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Too bad they caved to the displeasure of the masses.

young glen Oct 17, 2019, 4:35 AM

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till they SOILED IT SOILED IT

stoic hamlet Oct 17, 2019, 4:35 AM

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Mind it’s perfect as is, IMO

pulsar horizon Oct 17, 2019, 4:35 AM

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Oh wait I was thinking about halo 4, I completely forgot that halo 5 trailer.

stoic hamlet Oct 17, 2019, 4:36 AM

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But it would be cool to see if it actually does need a change

feral perch Oct 17, 2019, 4:36 AM

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How about Kurt standing against a legion of III’s in SPI, and Onyx and Voro ‘Mantakree in the background?

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Something busy.

stoic hamlet Oct 17, 2019, 4:37 AM

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There was one fan art someone did of like, Ackerson inspecting Alpha Company in the rain, looked awesome, lemme go find it

young glen Oct 17, 2019, 4:38 AM

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cant post pictures in this chat sadly

feral perch Oct 17, 2019, 4:39 AM

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I would also settle for finally seeing an official drawing of an Onyx Sentinel, and just having that as the cover

stoic hamlet Oct 17, 2019, 4:41 AM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/321461313681227777/634249549296304138/image0.png @feral perch this one

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That would also be cool

gilded mason Oct 17, 2019, 4:42 AM

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Lookin' edgy there.

stoic hamlet Oct 17, 2019, 4:43 AM

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Yeah, but it’s still a cool visual

pulsar horizon Oct 17, 2019, 4:43 AM

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Getting some 40k vibes

gilded mason Oct 17, 2019, 4:44 AM

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Yeah, a commissar.

stoic hamlet Oct 17, 2019, 4:44 AM

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I feel like the III’s are like the UNSC’s version of the Sisters of Battle

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Utterly devoted

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And ABSOLUTELY ANGRY

pulsar horizon Oct 17, 2019, 4:45 AM

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Wouldn't Death Corps be more appropriate?

stoic hamlet Oct 17, 2019, 4:45 AM

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Ehh, in the sense that their lives are often given for a higher cause maybe

pulsar horizon Oct 17, 2019, 4:45 AM

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"Did someone say die for the UNSC?"

stoic hamlet Oct 17, 2019, 4:47 AM

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But not in the sense that they specifically seek martyrdom, and they’re not used like Kreigers. They’re more like Tempestus Scions or Drop Troops. Sent behind the lines to cause chaos and havoc and force the enemy to waste valuable frontline units chasing ghosts.

pulsar horizon Oct 17, 2019, 4:48 AM

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Oh so are all III's like the head-hunters?

stoic hamlet Oct 17, 2019, 4:48 AM

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Essentially yeah

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Head-Hunters were split from the companies, but the Companies all were sent behind the Covenant lines. Alpha to destroy a ship-building hard and staging point, and Beta to destroy a Factory (Which has things gone to plan likely wouldn’t have seen Beta lose more than maybe 1-2 Spartans purely from the drop.)

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IIRC the Spartan III’s were more valuable than the II’s from a strategic standpoint, because they could be sent on tougher, more higher risk missions but with drastic rewards for success (Alpha basically giving the UNSC another decade, for example), whereas the II’s were so few, and so well known, the UNSC couldn’t risk them on the missions/they wouldn’t be able to complete them, so they were kept back for morale.

scenic summit Oct 17, 2019, 5:43 AM

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I believe I heard that the III’s were picked out by well their reasons. Why they would want to kill, plus their childhoods being scarred from the war. Sort of messed up tbh, which is why they are considered more unstable then the II’s.

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 9:12 AM

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Well I don't know if it's fair to say that Spartan IIIs generally were considered more unstable than the IIs.

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At least, not from a military perspective. Maybe from the perspective of just being human beings.

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The unstable ones were specifically Gamma-company Spartan IIIs, and that was on account a lovely little illegal mutagen by the designation "009762-OO".

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But as human beings, given how laser-focused on the art of war their childhoods and educations were (with the Spartan IIs at least having some more general education), they're likely a little more eccentric.

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Though the funny thing is, if anything the portrayals of Spartan IIIs are less aloof and more personable than the IIs. Looking at Owen and the members of NOBLE.

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Same for Roland and Jonah in Headhunters.

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Even in GoO the SIIIs came across (to me at least) as less chosen one-like and more scrappy.

strong sage Oct 17, 2019, 9:17 AM

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What are SII equalvalents for headhunters?

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 9:19 AM

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They don't really have one. Though Black or Grey teams might conceivably be sent on similar missions. Then again, so could all Spartans.

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In the postwar environment a SII could end up as part of the Headhunter initiative, though, seeing as how it's a fixture of the whole Spartan branch and not just one generation.

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There's SIV headhunters, so conceivably there could be SII headhunters.

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Provided the brass aren't too protective of their legendary heroes.

past olive Oct 17, 2019, 9:51 AM

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It's possible they were more unstable emotionally, but the S-lll program had much less casualties from augmentation allowing S-lll training facilities such as Onyx to produce hundreds of them without much fail. Most of them died in the battle of Onyx though.

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But unlike the ll's, the S-lll's were volunteer children who were orphaned from the human covenant war

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They became S-lll's with the promise that they could kill covenant for revenge

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And many of them died young, in fact Noble 6 in Halo Reach is only supposed to be 19 years old

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So while there wasn't much instability augmentation wise, emotionally they could be very unstable

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 10:48 AM

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Has anyone else though about how UNSC using "primitive" technology such as rifles 500 years in the future sounds quite feasible? Given it's expansion of the human species grossing a population in the trillions among several hundred inhabited worlds, wouldn't that significantly stagnate the rate of development in favour of expanded logistics firms among the colonies?

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And it's not like the UNSC don't have technology expected from a society grown in this period, anyway - from planet-scattering NOVA bombs, to artificial gravity, partial control of higher-dimensional slip-space, inertia buffers, and hard-sound rifles. If expansion is their main focus, then it's expected that anything not revolved around such would be hampered a little

lunar condor Oct 17, 2019, 12:09 PM

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I mean the rifles clearly work

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And do their job pretty good

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Makes sense that they havent focused on developing energy weaponry

wintry coral Oct 17, 2019, 12:10 PM

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They could start making energy weapons using Covenant/Forerunner technology

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But that will probably never happen

lunar condor Oct 17, 2019, 12:11 PM

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With the amount of access they have to forerunner tech they will eventually learn to use it more and more

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But its a long road ahead

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Instead of energy weapons they need to make super macs into infantry weapons

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That be pretty badass

wintry coral Oct 17, 2019, 12:18 PM

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There's so much more Forerunner stuff that humanity hasn't found. Well, they've found most of the major ones. They've already found Forerunner weaponry, shield worlds, The Ark, Halos 4, 5, 3, and possibly 7, and the Janus Key. Humanity still needs to find Maethrillian and Halos 1, 2, and 6.

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Didn't Dr. Halsey find the Absolute Record and Mendicant Bias in a comic while captured by Jul 'Mdama?

humble yacht Oct 17, 2019, 12:26 PM

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She found the absolute record but not MB

hasty locust Oct 17, 2019, 12:29 PM

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Hmm

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They know the true origins of humanity and such, right?

wintry coral Oct 17, 2019, 12:31 PM

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Then who was that Contender-class AI in that comic?

hasty locust Oct 17, 2019, 12:35 PM

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I haven’t read it but couldn’t be like uhh whats his name? Offensive bias? (Probably got that wrong) but the other one who fought mendicant

fair hazel Oct 17, 2019, 12:35 PM

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I personally am not even sure if it’s a contender class even if it has that shell.

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Unless they talked about it in the library edition

warm ridge Oct 17, 2019, 12:41 PM

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@wintry coral It was confirmed that was a different contender class AI in the comic and not MB, nor Offensive Bias.

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tl;dr We have no idea. @hasty locust

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It's name is the Custodian, that's all we know.

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https://www.halopedia.org/Custodian

fair hazel Oct 17, 2019, 12:42 PM

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Was it said to actually be a contender class?

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That’s the thing

warm ridge Oct 17, 2019, 12:42 PM

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yes

fair hazel Oct 17, 2019, 12:42 PM

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Library edition?

hasty locust Oct 17, 2019, 12:42 PM

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I got the name right!

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Yee

warm ridge Oct 17, 2019, 12:43 PM

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actually think it was specifically said in the Halo Escalation series that it was, not Library edition.

fair hazel Oct 17, 2019, 12:44 PM

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In the normal comics it doesn’t say

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I’d still like to have a loot eventually.

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 12:45 PM

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@versed helm Bit late here (and sorry for interrupting the current discussion) but I'm in agreement with you. I mean, I think there's potentially interesting lore still to be had regarding the subtle ways in which firearms have evolved in the Halo universe (relating to ammunition and smart link and such), but between the pretty extended period of peace humanity went through, the fact that a gun is a gun and will never be fun to get shot with, and cost-efficiency, there's more than ample justification for the UNSC's use of conventional firearms.

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It is worth noting that generally speaking, UNSC equipment ranges of the heavier side compared to what you expect today. .50 HE rounds for pistols, 7.62x51 and fictional 9.5 cartridges for rifles, 8-gauge shells, 102mm rockets, mixed in with a few coilguns here and there - all overkill by modern standards.

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But all presumably necessary to countermand more advanced ballistic protection.

warm ridge Oct 17, 2019, 12:48 PM

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If I'm being honest, the absolute record never really sounded like it was a specific planet with a ton of Forerunner tech on it, rather it sounds like it's an entire map of every single Forerunner device/location ever, worlds and all. I imagine it had wide scale use when the Forerunners were at there all time high before the Flood eventually attacked, making information like this secret/hard to find altogether.
I like to think of it as a sort of book that only a select few individuals ever had access to, and in order to gain this information you had to have ample reason to do so.

humble yacht Oct 17, 2019, 12:56 PM

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Halo Escalation, Issue 21, page 15

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The Custodian says

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"A hundred thousand years ago, a fellow Contender made a fatal decision when deciding with whom to ally himself."

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That's the closest we get to labeling the Custodian as a contender class AI

past olive Oct 17, 2019, 1:07 PM

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Halo 5 introduced UNSC Foreunner firearm and UNSC Covenant firearm hybrids

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unless it's not canon to the lore, which would be kinda dumb

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 1:15 PM

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Well, they're just kinda attachments.

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Not entirely unreasonable to stick a Covenant optic on a UNSC weapon. We've known for a while that the software of UNSC and Covenant weapon systems is not entirely alien to one another.

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The kinetic bolts are an odd case, though.

hasty locust Oct 17, 2019, 1:17 PM

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Mhm

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 1:17 PM

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Presumably they do what they do by coating the projectile fired by the weapon in hardlight.

hasty locust Oct 17, 2019, 1:17 PM

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Don’t forget the needler warthog too

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 1:17 PM

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Well, that's not so bad.

hasty locust Oct 17, 2019, 1:17 PM

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Yeah

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Just the merging of tech

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 1:17 PM

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Take a .50 cal LAAG cartridge and make the projectile the same way needler rounds are made.

hasty locust Oct 17, 2019, 1:18 PM

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Yeah

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It has shields too right?

humble yacht Oct 17, 2019, 1:18 PM

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yep

hasty locust Oct 17, 2019, 1:18 PM

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I don’t think they are canon because they are in a “simulation” correct

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So maybe new prototypes in production

unique rune Oct 17, 2019, 1:19 PM

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They’re still canon.

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Maybe not full production but testing phase.

hasty locust Oct 17, 2019, 1:19 PM

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Yeah they exist but what im saying is maybe not in the physical world yet

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 1:19 PM

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Everything in warzone is simulated but hypothetically possible in reality.

hasty locust Oct 17, 2019, 1:20 PM

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Yeah

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 1:22 PM

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I'm always happy when the lore talk shifts back from whacky Forerunner ancient history to the good stuff

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Shooty-shoot guns

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👍

hasty locust Oct 17, 2019, 1:22 PM

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Its not whacky

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But yeah i like the “modern” lore if you can call it that

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 1:23 PM

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Well, y'know. I'm old school.

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I'm all about the Combat Evolved in Halo: Combat Evolved, y'know?

hasty locust Oct 17, 2019, 1:23 PM

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Ha

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“Back in my day we had two sticks and a rock for a whole platoon!”

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 1:24 PM

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Doesn't matter if it's 100,000 BC or 2552, I just like getting into the nitty gritty of the militaries, soldiers and guns of Halo.

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Even when they're a little silly.

hasty locust Oct 17, 2019, 1:24 PM

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YES

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 1:25 PM

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When they're silly they're silly in good ways

hasty locust Oct 17, 2019, 1:25 PM

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Thats why i want a super gritty, super desperate game as a marine during the human covenant war

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 1:25 PM

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I can get behind that.

hasty locust Oct 17, 2019, 1:26 PM

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Like we’re so used to being able to mow the covenant down but when you start seeing your allies being mowed down around you knowing you could be next

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Now I’m sad it doesn’t exist

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 1:26 PM

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Creating compelling gameplay for that which isn't just Spartan-lite like ODST would be a bit of a challenge.

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I think AI would be exceedingly important, both friendly and enemy.

hasty locust Oct 17, 2019, 1:27 PM

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Yeah

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 1:27 PM

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And so would be giving the player tools to avoid damage and scramble out of bad situations

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Instead of just tanking them like Chief would

hasty locust Oct 17, 2019, 1:27 PM

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Yeah maybe also have a more dynamic vehicle damage system

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Like maybe a scorpion could detread or the engine of a hog could stall and fail

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 1:28 PM

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If you were doing that you'd naturally want to make them predictable outcomes though, right?

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Like a result of the tracks or the engine being shot up

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Not just like a random thing

hasty locust Oct 17, 2019, 1:29 PM

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Yeah exactly

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Random would just peeve me off

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 1:29 PM

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I mean honestly that kind of thing is just a kinda obvious continuation of what Halo 2 started with its vehicle damage system.

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I'm surprised stuff like it hasn't been more heavily explored already.

hasty locust Oct 17, 2019, 1:30 PM

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They said they were gonna do more spin offs after infinite so...

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Lets just hope

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 1:31 PM

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Then again, I've always been in favour of expanding Halo's gameplay by adding more subtlety and interactions to the existing gameplay loop rather than giving players more abilities.

hasty locust Oct 17, 2019, 1:31 PM

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Yeah i feel they should add different NEW gameplay mechanics instead of making “call of halo”

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 1:31 PM

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Not that I don't see the merits of the direction it's gone in, but little touches that flesh out the world and sandbox are just so nice.

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Like y'know how AI allies in Halo like to shoot corpses?

hasty locust Oct 17, 2019, 1:32 PM

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Yeah

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Yeah ive seen that

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 1:32 PM

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Wouldn't it be cool if "dead" enemies sometimes twitch or crawl away to make it more immersive?

hasty locust Oct 17, 2019, 1:32 PM

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I feel like the marines in 4 seemed to crouch and slump more to try and reduce their “hitbox” if you will

versed helm Oct 17, 2019, 1:32 PM

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Hard to do with the ragdoll stuff I guess

hasty locust Oct 17, 2019, 1:32 PM

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Yeah

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Like an injury mechanic maybe

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Also known as blow off a grunts legs and arms and send them flying

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Poor grunts