Ah just wait till genetic modifications go from joining a branch to the whole thing
#lore-and-universe
spice crypt
stable schooner
@terse lava “you have no place in the path Brute” Uprising is the place for Sangheili insults
stoic hamlet
It goes in the base of your neck.
gilded mason
blamite special
terse lava
@stable schoonerthe journey is not for the likes of you brute
spice crypt
Well its super heated crystal so it would have to take the sheild down first obviously and then it would have to be extremely lucky
stable schooner
“Mighty one go, I go”
stoic hamlet
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/321461313681227777/633504414568677387/image0.png
Here’s the interface port @versed helm
terse lava
@stable schoonerheh
stoic hamlet
And yeah they can’t penetrate the armour, depending on where they hit.
This is shown in FUD where John takes a Needle Rifle, er, needle, to the back of his armour, it just shatters
The helmet, the visor, and the undersuit can be penetrated easily however.
Ehh, it did and it didn’t
spice crypt
Just lkke most things in the lore
stoic hamlet
In the books, IIRC, a marine unit is ambushed and the Lieutenant takes a single needle from a regular Needler, not a needle rifle, to the neck.
When it shatters it takes most of her head off, and another Marine who takes a supercombine in the gut basically loses most of his chest and stomach, like they just disintegrate.
Yeah
But it needs to hit the softer parts of the armour
Or the undersuit
The plasma rifle and pistol are absurdly powerful in the lore though.
spice crypt
Aye
gilded mason
O-Oh yeah...
spice crypt
I didnt but since they can access any technology in a physical capacity that would make sense
terse lava
A single engineer can also mimic a.keyahip to open a portal
Although, said engineer used to work on thr vessel
spice crypt
They were inslaved
terse lava
They are, until you threaten forerunner technology
Then they can throw a grown sangheili several yards away
Yep
From one of the novels, Thursday war I think
sonic ridge
In hunters in the dark an engineer holds a spartan in full armour
stoic hamlet
They just wanna cuddle
spice crypt
Ah those cute little fart bags
stoic hamlet
They’re gud bois
terse lava
Indeed
spice crypt
Indeed
gilded mason
Indeed
stoic hamlet
They seem more the quiet contemplative type
Lots of poets among them to my knowledge
terse lava
Even a sangheili major commented on hown hunter pair broke hrough human defenses, then pause to do war poems
stoic hamlet
They’re also gud bois
gilded mason
They’re also gud bois
Brutes or Hunters?
sudden shuttle
Hunters.
stable schooner
Hunters of course
terse lava
The covenant
stoic hamlet
Meant hunters yeah
remote spruce
Hunters have various sounds for if they are hurt or if they are attacking
spice crypt
If you could have a single hunter worm as a pet would you?
west flame
Yup.
stable schooner
Wouldn’t it be distressed
gilded mason
I don't think I'd be comfortable having a sapient being as a pet
terse lava
Always found it odd they never bothered to make proper communication devices for the hunters in the covenant
A single worm? Not sure, could be a.problem
proud quail
would that single worm even work properly
terse lava
Single worms are not sapient
spice crypt
Aye I would have 2 so it could multiply and learn me as a companion
spice crypt
Eh still possible
terse lava
Would think 50 to 100 may get you something4
spice crypt
Got a ferret with his own room i would just move him to the front room and name my new pet
terse lava
That was one case
And a certain type of colony
Nothing says it's a shared trait among all
stoic hamlet
True
But I mean, it’s possible that with enough intelligence, they could all do it.
spice crypt
Idk id say there all intelligent, just not under the covenant because they were bred for a purpose but there were a couple cases like the ones that stole the ship to after the fall of the covenant id say with enough time they could form a society but also are they just a society them selfs
fair hazel
ferrets exist in halo
west flame
They'd better not be a Killable NPC
fair hazel
gravity hammers in halo 3 do use gravitic fields to crush things
and what was the other thing that someone said
assault rifles have iron sights that pop up, also there are assault rifles with scopes. theres mounts for scopes
stoic hamlet
That last one was already answered 😛
gilded mason
Yeah, you're a bit behind on the conversation, Erick.
https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/universe/species/lekgolo-mgalekgolo-hunter
Individual Lekgolo eels are not demonstrably intelligent on their own, but when a group forms into a collective, complex neural connections are generated eventually leading to a resilient network for hormonal and bioelectrical functionality.
stoic hamlet
Flamethrower would be pretty effective tbh
terse lava
At this point ostral, you may as well be an Oracle master
gilded mason
Aw thank ya
stoic hamlet
Yeah, that
terse lava
Open areas
gilded mason
Yeah, so it'd be pretty hard.
terse lava
Never said it would be easy
terse lava
Nah you kill enough they sont reform
spice crypt
Better have tied your boots get stomping
stoic hamlet
The more that are dead the harder it is to reform into the armour
terse lava
I don't think they even can reform
gilded mason
Just use the CE pistol, gosh.
stoic hamlet
That’s SAP-HE, so not allowed as per Donk’s rules.
terse lava
Wernt those worms already in close proximity to the armor?
Yea but I would. Counter with the ones seen fo inf an arbiter in the terminals
The one he shot never reformed, but other new ones did rise up from the large worm pile in the area
stable schooner
Tank beats Hunter
terse lava
They create one yea
stable schooner
The real question is Fuel Rod or Beam Canon?
stoic hamlet
Beam
spice crypt
Or spartan laser
stable schooner
Yeah I prefer Beam myself
terse lava
Here's a fun little fact btw, a hunter without spines is a.colony that has not grown large enough to make a bond brother
spice crypt
Yes of but replace that water with fractured ancient precursor genetics in some of the worst infection ways possible
The flood are beyond our understanding
No its blood just a mix of human and corrupted precursor genes
In game play probably not blood but in lore if a human were infected it would be blood if it were a pureform who knows nobody can understand it and nobody should because of two words "argent moon".
merry viper
Argent moon was a man made infection tho
spice crypt
One spor can turn anything it contacts
stoic hamlet
Nah it was flood/a Forerunner AI
Not man-made
It’s shown/the beginning of the stations issues are shown in Retribution
spice crypt
And its "man made" which is my point, nobody should try to understand it or study it just destroy it even if that means your own species the fore runners understood this
merry viper
But they did multiple takes on this particular disease on argent moon. It took an AI to sterilize the station. Even warning any new comers that the air is not safe and that it turn the insides of a human organs liquidated and worse for others that he didn’tgo into detail
stoic hamlet
That disease wasn’t made by ONI. Or at least the final form wasn’t.
spice crypt
My mistake wrong ship trying to find the name
merry viper
Mona Lisa?
spice crypt
You are right argemt moon had a oni modified disease trying to find the ships name that this happened to it was a prison transport that got taken over by oni it had a short animation yea mona lisa
stoic hamlet
Mona Lisa is the ship name yeah
feral perch
nvm lol
merry viper
Astroidea was on Argent Moon experiment on jackels. Jackels don’t have enough calcium to form as a threat for flood
stoic hamlet
But it’s noted that the officer in charge went way outside his orders. Most of that wasn’t sanctioned by ONI.
spice crypt
Was is sactioned by oni that happens by oni though
gilded mason
What?
merry viper
Yea. He went a tad far on performing experiment on civilian prisoners.
Elites sure but humans at major performance...kinda sod himself
spice crypt
Most of onis experments went outside direct orders or they went completely against them.
merry viper
cough Onyx bio experiment cough cough
spice crypt
ONI like the flood is something so complex not one brain can comprehend with out going mad in the full picture.
Mmm anybody ever hear of cupids knife?
gilded mason
I have not.
spice crypt
It is a simulation that oni can put you through i believe an AI of sorts that makes you think only positive thoughts about your torturers while they peel your fingernails off..
Other wise it lights up your whole nervous system
versed helm
rookie was KIA :c
spice crypt
Mhm
stoic hamlet
The canon of that knife is dubious, and it wasn’t ONI produced.
spice crypt
Didnt know it wasnt oni produced and but non the less a terrifying thought
And blue let ya know alpha nine tried hard to save him but in the end he was kia
Least he lived past, the great war
stoic hamlet
He kind of kept his promise
spice crypt
Aye.
Tis but the simplest deaths for the greatest warrior's. He lived throught giant aliens, glassed planets against all odds and a simple bullet to the head gets him.
merry viper
Death from a bullet on a glass planet caused by giant aliens
But Dare did most of the proposal
spice crypt
Accually he lived though the great war and it was a rebel captain that shot him while he was being held hostage.
stable schooner
F for Skirmisher Screen Time. I also don’t get how Skirmishers aren’t the dominant race when their just Chad Jackals
merry viper
That’s the reference I was implying he was killed on Draco III after it got glassed
By the insurrection leader Cptn Ingridson
regal kiln
The Rookie is hiding in a cave with 6 and johnson(classified) 
carmine sleet
They're all dead
past olive
That was a joke
versed helm
Rip Ripa Moramee
versed helm
He got what he had coming
terse lava
Yea...ripa was a pretty lousy sangheili
versed helm
just no
feral perch
Ripa kinda failed a lot lol
versed helm
To put it in perspective
Ripa would've probably been stabbed by Johnson in the Library
While Thel's now the Sangheili head honcho
So y'know
3/10 Arbiter
Must focus more
wintry coral
Well he did end a Grunt Rebellion
versed helm
He would even strike on Sangheili, he didn't care who it was if he was mad
wintry coral
Not the most famous one though
stable schooner
You know when you think about it though. Thel doesn’t have the most impressive feats among Arbiters. Fal Chavamee was a Beast
versed helm
He was very respected
stable schooner
Including giant hunters
obsidian thistle
Ripa however was really ruthless. DYK he tried to push Scarab modifications that would make them stronger at the cost of the Lekgolo inside. (Something the Banished legit did later)
humble yacht
I don't see how you could fight multiple infected Arbiters when there's only one arbiter at a time
stable schooner
Mausoleum of the Arbiter but that never made it past Concept
versed helm
Eh, Lekgolo will be fine, they reproduce relatively quickly
humble yacht
even if the Flood got into the mausoleum, the bodies in there would be a) armorless, and b) probably way too mummified or decomposed to make good combat forms
stable schooner
Exactly imo didn’t actually make sense
wintry coral
Couldn't they still be used for biomass if they were mummified?
carmine sleet
And it would be very unlikely the bodies were kept in a form of stasis as that would be a waste of the stasis tech
humble yacht
yeah but then you wouldn't be fighting infected arbiters
wintry coral
True
humble yacht
you'd be fighting... biomass
i could see arbiters having funeral rights
or maybe the tombs were ceremonial and didn't even contain bodies
i mean, how often would a dead arbiter's body be recoverable?
carmine sleet
We know Ripa's couldn't have been recovered
humble yacht
i'd expect many blew up
wintry coral
Nah in the H2 Terminals, I saw a dead Arbiter in one of the containers
versed helm
Ripa got thrown off an edge
wintry coral
But still most would be impossible to recover
versed helm
True, most there isn't even anything to recover
carmine sleet
And you can do that
wintry coral
lol
carmine sleet
There's many Energy Sword using Elites throughou- Oh, you wanted Flood with swords... That happens too, sometimes
versed helm
Just make an elite mad enough and they'll scream and charge at you
stable schooner
Nah Halo 3 Sword Elite Flood are a Menace. Dang Random instant kills and Sword Immunity
versed helm
Gameplay mechanics?
wintry coral
jUsT uSe PlAsMa LoL
stable schooner
I mean Halo 2 Combat Forms are Tanks, CEs aren’t exactly slouches, 3 Made them paper mache
humble yacht
that's less reviving the organism and more likely involuntary reactions to the nervous system being hijacked
versed helm
Even when we die, or per se, we get our head cut off, we still twitch and move for a little while
So yea, basically what Chimera said
carmine sleet
Like that one scene in The Rock
ebon heron
Does anyone know the name of the pelican pilot in the infinite trailer?
Was he given a name?
gilded mason
Dustin E. Chos.
humble yacht
we don't know his name
ebon heron
Hope he doesn’t die faceless
humble yacht
Foehammer would like a word with you
carmine sleet
Who would be cruel enough to take his face off? @ebon heron
stable schooner
For a Pilot that’s all that matters
humble yacht
Without Foehammer, we would have lost the war
ebon heron
@carmine sleet 343 industries 
stable schooner
Savage
humble yacht
he hasn't even done anything yet
stable schooner
Foehammer didn’t try to run and exactly lol that’s literally all he has done
humble yacht
and she's FOEhammer
what, you hit your bros with hammers?
what a way to show friendship
stable schooner
Imagine Silent Cartographer without Foehammer
Walking
Second mission Halo = walking
stable schooner
Flew her Pelican in the Truth and Reconciliation to give Chief Reinforcements to. Heck she’s the last Human we encounter in CE. Where’s the Respect
“We’re it so Easy”
humble yacht
I like to think
that she didn't die
she crash landed that pelican and hid in a cave
😏
some are
Chief was a morale booster just with his presence
Emile, on the other hand, was more off-putting
stable schooner
Emile was harsh with those Reach Farmers
humble yacht
also I guess it would depend on who's morale you were trying to boost
Put any Spartan in front of an ODST and they'd probably be like
stable schooner
Sees ODST using Spartan Laser Though.
fallow swift
how can an odst pick up that heavy thing anyway 🤔
obsidian thistle
Even though I know why ONI put ODST up against John after his augmentation. I feel that incident caused so much issues that could have been avoided in the long run.
fallow swift
oye you talking about them Reach dayzz
obsidian thistle
Like the ODST who were linked to that event, but didnt die seem to be very loose lipped with their other ODST pals.
fallow swift
with a name like johnson,anythings possible tho
obsidian thistle
Well the "Spartan laser" name is very likely a nickname. Like how the Railgun is more a Coilgun.
fallow swift
truee
obsidian thistle
Well GUNGNIR stuff. More specfically Mark V(G) was created/developed as part of GUNGNIR. But was never the only way to use the M6.
*Minor lore cause I love saying odd trivia. DYK GUNGNIR Mjolnir replaced Grenadier Mjolnir
Grenadier was the Mark IV (G)
GUNGNIR was the Mark V (G)
Yep. Cant wait on the wiki to re-add the non-canon but official Halo Online armor lore to Halopedia in an Apocrypha section. The lore in that was so cool.
last anchor
So much loooorreeee
Heres hoping we get more in Infinite. And a return of the "who made these pieces" thing from 4. I liked that.
Some new companies would be nice...
Maybe like some private manufacturing ones besides the usual.
"Oh yeah these guys made like, toys or something during the War but after they got into MJLONIR making."
"Is that why it looks like its made of plastic?"
"Yes. Yes it is."
obsidian thistle
We got some in Halo 5. One very odd name
obsidian thistle
last anchor
Ye thats them
obsidian thistle
No source for that yet.
We do have limited 2004 and 2007 lore. But they are mere glimpses.
last anchor
Its probably more profitable
obsidian thistle
343i makes armor.
Microsoft almost helped make a Station. (Before that lore was cut)
If you ever heard of it. Mister Donut is still a thing in 2004 in the Halo Universe
fair hazel
Mega construx never made legos
versed helm
By-the-by
In case anyone's still interested
Spartan lasers weigh about 20 kilos
So certainly not light
But well within the confines of what a regular human soldier can effectively use
Given what it is
stoic hamlet
I’d argue it’s bulkyness is what makes it so hard to use.
If it was a rifle sized, well, all we’d need then is a bayonet mount and we’re golden.
versed helm
The UNSC has something of track record of embracing a little bulk.
To take the inadvertent innuendo even further, I guess there's a basis there for assuming that UNSC soldiers are exceptionally well drilled with their weapons.
versed helm
I guess it's a trade off. You want a near-indestructible weapon-system packed with smart-linked electronics and fancy capabilities? You gotta take the chonk.
versed helm
Plasma pistol beats tank.
stoic hamlet
Plasma in general beats tank
stable schooner
I just realized ODSTs never actually treat Spartans hostile in any of the games.
versed helm
The Reach ODSTs have got a little bit of attitude
But it's not overt
They're just gruff
Particularly referring to the Bullfrogs
stable schooner
But their like nice jumping with you Spartan
stable schooner
More friendly rivalry at max in that part.
versed helm
I've always read there to be a little underlying sass anyway, but you are right.
That rivalry, and the Nylund/Dietz/Helljumper hardcore ethos of the ODSTs, doesn't tend to make it it the games so much.
I guess it's primarily because Buck is a chill dude who runs a comparatively sane outfit, and Chief is too much of a legend to get all up at.
But there was mention of the rivalry and how it extends to Spartan IVs in the Spartan Field manual.
Obviously ODSTs are prime candidates for the program and when an ODST becomes a Spartan IV some helljumpers see it as a betrayal.
That certainly wouldn't have helped.
But my interpretation is that ODST culture promotes a sort of pathological need to take down what they see as superior foes, or die in the attempt.
After all, for over 30 years most of what they've been doing is their usual insane pod-dropping stunts directly into close-quarters combat with technologically, numerically, physically superior aliens.
Because of the unnatural capabilities of Spartans, they probably see it as their duty to have their number, if that makes any sense.
There's a hint of that in how Silva calls Chief a "human-alien" in The Flood, or something to that effect.
But, y'know. ODSTs are just people, even if they're a little crazier than normal. There may be an ethos between them but each of them thinks the way they do for their own reasons, and many of them would hold different perspectives.
Fear, jealousy, masochism, one way or another it probably boils down to the perceived threat to their own culture, self-expectations and importance within the UNSC.
You gotta wonder if they'd be more accepting of augmented personnel if those personnel were effectively just augmented ODSTs and not an entirely different branch or unit.
That way they might look at them as comrades fulfilling a specific role with the necessary capabilities instead of being this raw kind of next-gen soldier whose existence taunts them.
But as-is, the rivalry doesn't seem to be a liability.
Just a prickly bit of tradition.
terse lava
What about halo wars?
gilded mason
they don't skip leg day
mellow swallow
Idk
feral perch
They can jump high in lore.
humble yacht
increased mobility is useful for many reasons
flood super cells are described as "thinking muscle" cells
a combat form, being comprised of FSCs, has increased strength
in a sense
pod infectors
infections from those sources occur more slowly
depends on the organism and the wound
not really
pod infectors are quite good at penetrating organisms
grunts are just as infectable as everything else
a grunts skin is still skin
some grunts don't wear full masks over their mouths
those grunts could accidentally swallow airborne spores
remote spruce
"HERE COME THE BULLFROGS"
jumps to chasm
terse lava
They are just something for other covenant to focus on when talking with a hunter
I....I dont know, not would I want too
static reef
I'm not sure theres a set limit
I mean, Scarabs are basically just a big Lekgolo colony.
sonic ridge
How many children were in the spartan 2 project
gilded mason
75
sonic ridge
But why is John 117 then
Did they just fill 75 numbers they didn’t fill from spartan 1?
static reef
There were also Spartan Is and Spartan IIIs
sonic ridge
Oh
gilded mason
Did they just fill 75 numbers they didn’t fill from spartan 1?
The project was initially granted funding for 300 candidates, though funding was later reduced to half this number.[4] By 2517, 150 suitable candidates had been identified through DNA gathered from the UNSC's Outer Colony vaccination program, though funding had been further reduced to support only half that number.
gilded mason
He was 117 during a time when there were more than 75 candidates
sonic ridge
But only 75 survived I guess
gilded mason
No, only 75 got funded
sonic ridge
Okay
feral perch
Projects SPARTAN I, II, and III were all spaced several years from one another
static reef
The approximate cost of one Spartan II suit of Mjolnir armor was about that of a starship
So thats why Master Chief doesnt usually change outfits
sonic ridge
Tell that to the covenant
feral perch
Chief changes his armor quite often it seems.
sonic ridge
Well in 2 he gets an upgrade don’t he
And in 3 he still has the same armour
But in 4 I was told ages ago it was nano bots or something that made upgrades to his armour during he 4 years
feral perch
From standard Mark IV, to various permutations of Project Cobalt, and then Mark V and Mark VI in the same year, 2552
Yeah, nanobots
gilded mason
""""""""""""""nanobots""""""""""""""
static reef
Technically, 2, 3, and 4 is the same armor
feral perch
There was no time in between for him to change suits.
sonic ridge
Yea
static reef
Such a dumb decision in my eyes
sonic ridge
4 is the same but nanomachines
stable schooner
So how Many Spartan 2s did their end up Being? Is Red Team part of that 35?
feral perch
No.
sonic ridge
Who’s red team
static reef
Could have had a much more badass reveal if he got it after the Mark VI got beat to hell
I dont want the Halo 5 armor to get a good send off, if Halo 3's armor never got one.
feral perch
Red Team refers to a number of different Spartan teams, but it’s most often associated with Jerome-092, Alice-130, and Douglas-042.
stable schooner
So how Many Spartans 2 were there?
feral perch
75 children
static reef
Well, 33 survived the first class
feral perch
33 initial survivors.
static reef
And the second clsss numbers are unknown
stable schooner
That actually became Spartans
feral perch
There was no Class II.
static reef
Says there was a Class II on the wiki
stable schooner
Or is the answer unknown and New Spartan 2s are still being thought up of?
gilded mason
Currently:
Naomi
Gray Team - 3
Blue - 4
Red - 3
Omega?
Any others?
feral perch
Jerome, Alice, Douglas, and possibly a few more washed out of the augmentation phase, but were re-trained and successfully re-augmented later @stable schooner
sonic ridge
I thought he was the last until 5 ngl
gilded mason
But wasn’t Chief being treated like one of the last spartan IIs at some point?
Back when Reach was lost, John was the only one that for sure was known to be alive.
sonic ridge
Yea
static reef
As far as Keyes knew, Chief was the last Spartan.
stable schooner
In CEA
static reef
She was thought to be all but dead
feral perch
Ghosts of Onyx says there was no Class II.
static reef
She was basically on life support when she got put in the cryo tube
stable schooner
Nope Donk you’ve never beaten Pillar Of Autumn in classic graphics?
static reef
I mean, books contradict each other all the time, so I'm not surprised if one said it and another didnt.
feral perch
In CE, there is another Spartan’s vital sign readout. It just doesn’t specifically say that it’s Linda.
But it is Linda.
static reef
I see, iLoveBees mentioned Class II
Class II was planned but never actually happened
stable schooner
@gilded mason you forgot Maria- 062.
sonic ridge
But chief is a spartan 2
static reef
It was replaced by Col. Ackerson's Spartan IIIs
sonic ridge
What is I love bees
static reef
It was an ARG Bungie put on for Halo 2
gilded mason
@stable schooner
Oh yeah.
sonic ridge
What is an arg
static reef
Alternate
Reality
Game
feral perch
Maria’s weird, man
static reef
Its basically where you use phone calls and internet sites to mess with another reality in the form of a game
sonic ridge
Okay
static reef
Where you can interact with things within a universe
Human Pet is a popular one
God of War also did one, I think
TF2 is known for them
stable schooner
@feral perch Lol Maria is weird
static reef
What about Spartan-1337?
[[Joke]]
Remember when the librarian explained that chief was the next step in human evolution
Over like 5 cutscenes back to back
I remember just going "no i cant listen to this anymore let me play the game again" when I did my legendary run
stable schooner
No cause I haven’t finished Reclaimer in years Dang Prometheans
sonic ridge
I finished halo 4 earlier on legendary
I only remember one cutscene with librarian
But she speaks in afew
How big were unsc ships before the covenant war
Like I’m watching the fall of reach thing how big is the commonwealth
And then like compared to the unsc
Oh
I mean the pillar of autumn not the unsc
It’s late
static reef
Well the Spirit of Fire is a modified human colony ship
sonic ridge
Idk what the spirit of fire is
static reef
Its the ship in Halo Wars
sonic ridge
Haven’t played it for several years
static reef
Also rip 1/3 of red team
gilded mason
Also rip 1/3 of red team
?
feral perch
All of Red Team is alive and well...
static reef
Wait, no
Wrong team
I was thinking of the dude who died in the first like 2 seconds of Halo Wars 2
feral perch
Nobody died in the first two seconds of Halo Wars 2.
Even granted that’s an exaggerated statement lol
It’s okay, we can always produce more
always
static reef
Forgot
feral perch
Halo Wars marines are actually Precursors
static reef
He didnt die
sonic ridge
I like how basically all media set before ce has chief with his halo 2 helmet
static reef
Just got incapped
feral perch
Mark VI
static reef
I like how the Mark V is supposed to be a step up from Mark IV while also looking way simpler
gilded mason
while also looking way sexier
Fixed.
static reef
I mean true
sonic ridge
They also reuse a lot of stuff from the games
What if we miss
We won’t
Don’t make a girl a promise
static reef
Dude side note, that Halo CE figure fro 1001toys looks fantastic
stable schooner
I’ll take whatever Elite Ultras wear
gilded mason
Dude side note, that Halo CE figure fro 1001toys looks fantastic
Ye
mark v best armor
static reef
I know what I'm getting with my tax return
stable schooner
Only problem is he’s a damsel in Distress all the time
static reef
The impact of Johnson's death was basically him watching the closest thing to a counterpart die
sonic ridge
I’m getting you outta here
static reef
Johnson was like Chief's humanity
stable schooner
Rtas never need no saving. He’s like hah Brutes betrayed my race, let me jack this Wraith
static reef
I would too if a bunch of monkeys kicked me out of my house
sonic ridge
Dey turk our jerbs
gilded mason
He’s like hah Brutes betrayed my race, let me jack this Wraith
And then just goes and takes a cruiser like nothing
stable schooner
When it’s a CCS in Halo 2 but shows up as a CAS in Halo 3
static reef
To be fair, 'Rtas and Thel come from long lines of warriors
static reef
Its like how you can basically make a Charger of you throw enough stuff on a Dart
terse lava
Hierarchs: we are giving the sangheili's eon job of being our guardians to these apes.
Sangheili race: you wort mate?!
static reef
'Rtas has an Autonation rewards card, so he upgraded
sonic ridge
Auto glass repair, auto glass protect.
terse lava
Halo 10: rtasn gains the forerunner Capital
gilded mason
based rtas
sonic ridge
How do you pronounce it
gilded mason
I always said "Er-tahs"
sonic ridge
Like ruh-tas or arr-tas
stable schooner
I swear if Rtas shows up again and he’s wearing gold Armor instead
static reef
Imagine your guards going from basically samurai to donkey kong
terse lava
For me ar-toss
sonic ridge
If rtas doesn’t show up I’ll be disappoint
gilded mason
samurai
Knights.
terse lava
Vikings?
gilded mason
That works too
sonic ridge
What did that even have to do with reach
static reef
The emphasis on honor made me think of samurai
sonic ridge
Wot
gilded mason
The emphasis on honor made me think of samurai
The writer got the honor stuff from the Norse
sonic ridge
Sangheili culture is based on japan
static reef
It makes sense tho
gilded mason
Sangheili culture is based on japan
No
sonic ridge
It’s inspired
stable schooner
Vikings don’t got that quality Elite Feudalism so I’m going with Knights now
sonic ridge
We wuz kangz
static reef
*halo 5 sanghelli
sonic ridge
Wort
static reef
Sanghelios
gilded mason
Though, the Kaidons translate directly to "lord" from what I remember.
They're formed by lances, which was a roman thing as well
Some Sangheili ranks are quite literally roman names
In Halo Oblivion, the rangers behave just like romans```And the art book talks about being inspired by several civilizations (none Japanese, though)
sonic ridge
what did the mini movie fall of reach have to dowith reach
gilded mason
Nothing
sonic ridge
Why’s it called fall of reach
static reef
Which has made many people angry
gilded mason
It's pretty bad.
static reef
People were mostly mad it wasnt as good as the book
sonic ridge
Not a thing entirely about child chief
gilded mason
And turns John into some overly violent thug
sonic ridge
Yea
stable schooner
Dino Knights would be more accurate. I just let the Dual Blind me
gilded mason
And tries to say some kids died during training
Yikes
Dino Knights would be more accurate
👌
static reef
Didn't they tho?
gilded mason
Only during augmentation
sonic ridge
Some died at the start
static reef
Whatever happened to that one in the wheelchair?
static reef
I remember hearing what happenednbut I dont remember
sonic ridge
My will is yours to command
stable schooner
Nah Seriously though Elites have always reminded me of the Predators from Predators
static reef
Plot twist he is warden eternal
sonic ridge
Yes
They 100% based them on the predator
Active camo
Laughing at you when killing you
static reef
Well they were visually inspired by the Xenomorphs, so they're like a terrifying hybrid
sonic ridge
Remember the end to predator when it uses the guys laugh to laugh at Conan the barbarian
Ye
They must be warm blooded
gilded mason
No.
Warm.
sonic ridge
And females don’t have hair as far as we can see
There’s no way they could be cold blooded
Cause the cold weather doesn’t even phase them
gilded mason
Legends has caused quite a few misconceptions, I feel.
sonic ridge
Halo legends?
gilded mason
Yeah
stable schooner
Elite Councilors straight up look like Alien Queens
sonic ridge
Halo the movie the anime the anthropology
stoic hamlet
Legends doesn’t depict accurate events.
stoic hamlet
The actual events occurred, but how it happened as depicted by legends isn’t canon
stable schooner
?
gilded mason
Because the SOS were based in the desert
Just the area we were fighting. Vadam keep is in these mountains:
The mountain is covered by expansive groves of trees and the peaks are covered in snow.
sonic ridge
I kinda hope that they have some kinda hubs in infinite
Even if it’s a single player hub
gilded mason
anime
sonic ridge
Like have a hub on the infinity and have a hub in Vadam keep or something
stable schooner
Nah you need to completely disregard Legends Elite Female
sonic ridge
Imma go to halo infinite cause I’m not really saying lore
gilded mason
Ah, Griffith.
stable schooner
That’s the one
vague scroll
Where did Griffith come from?
stable schooner
A main character Character from an anime called Berserk
vague scroll
I’m aware of the anime, didn’t realize that was what you guys were referencing.
terse lava
@gilded mason @sonic ridgejust wanted to comment on the hair thing. Very ancient sangheili do grow bits of it
sonic ridge
Memememememe
stable schooner
Nah Ostral just called Cal Griffith cause she looks just like him as a fellow anime character
vague scroll
Yee, makes sense.
gilded mason
@terse lava
Remember where that was from? Was it Broken Circle?
merry viper
Yes
gilded mason
Pretty good. A bit better than lower ranked Elites, apparently
terse lava
@gilded masonyes, the old sangheili met by ussa and his mate. They saw he had few strands of hair on his elbows and back of his head
Would chalk that up to gameplay
Ah my bad
You did. I simply didnt look up
Also a question for everyone here we are all familiar with the novel ghost of onyx correct?
stable schooner
Yeah the only thing Consistent about Shields ingame is the Player always has weaker shields then a Elite Minor
terse lava
How do you guys think the great schism and the rest of the war would have gone had the covenant at on onyx won
gilded mason
No idea.
Thel would either have to try to win them over diplomatically, or crush them.
stable schooner
CE Stealth Elites don’t have Shields. All other Camo Elites in the games regenerate their shields and Camo
gilded mason
@terse lava
Oh yeah, been tryin' to look fer that hair thing, but I think I keep missing it. Got a quote onhand?
terse lava
@Ostral#6483
humble yacht
they probably figured giving an Elite shields and cloak would be op
stable schooner
Ask yourself this, if they were why can you Camo when your shields are down as Arbiter
terse lava
@gilded masongive me a bit will need to find the book
gilded mason
Righteo
humble yacht
and Arbiter's armor is not as... new... as other elites'
stable schooner
Also if we’re taking about the games Camo and Shield regeneration on Elites is separate
humble yacht
though about arbiter armor being old
obviously its not the same armor every time
because sometimes the armor is lost
and not every Arbiter is the same size
so if they custom tailor an arbiter armor for each new arbiter, why are they always "old"
stable schooner
When some Arbiters have Armor on their mandibles but others don’t.
humble yacht
even if you use older materials to make something new, it's still new
static reef
Unpopular opinion: H2A Arbiter looks better and more noble than H2 Arbiter
humble yacht
nobile?
stable schooner
Maybe Rtas meant State of the Art and not new. I’d imagine Spec Op Armor is high quality
static reef
Whoops
humble yacht
yeah but still, the prophets are making a new Arbiter armor set for each new arbiter and purposefully making it derpy compared to modern combat harnesses
that's just cruel
stable schooner
I mean define bad though. Standard elites don’t get Camo.
static reef
Well the purpose of the armor is to kill free thinkers and powerful elites
Of the arbiter*
In the Covenant, at least
stable schooner
And in Halo 3 his Shields are better then Elite Majors Though it’s possible Thel upgraded it between 2 and 3.
humble yacht
i doubt that
the shield strength relation between player characters and enemies is not necessarily canon
especially since shield strength varies based on difficulty
stable schooner
Arbiters Shield Strength in 3 doesn’t change on difficulty though
stable schooner
Unlike every other npc in the game
Then they failed on that lol. Only thing stronger then him is Chieftains
I’m just saying Arbiters Armor is never actually shown as bad in Halo 2 or 3
Halo Wars Arbiter isn’t exactly looking weak either
humble yacht
well it's worse than Spec Ops
and Thel's arbiter armor specifically doesn't cover as much skin as even standard Minor armor
stable schooner
Disagree there. He looks more armored then every other Elite in 2A
humble yacht
plus, giving Arbiters less effective armor would help promote their eventual deaths
stable schooner
His armor isn’t the best but it’s certainly not the worst or even average
static reef
Well, I think that we think he looks the most armored
Because his armor looks like knights armor
humble yacht
when you compare minor armor arms to Thel's arms
you see that Thel only has plating on the outer side of the arms
while minors have plating that fully encases the arms
static reef
Standard elite armor seems to be made of very strong alloys
humble yacht
the legs, too
Thel's leg armor is more like greaves
only covering the front with plates
stable schooner
He also had a lot more plating in his chest though
humble yacht
the calf armor of Minors again completely encases
stable schooner
And that huge piece on his shoulder
stoic hamlet
It would make more sense to me that the Arbiter armour is almost entirely ceremonial and not really effective, but then we have moments like HW where Ripa just tanks like an entire 60 round magazine of an MA5B.
stable schooner
And when it comes to Armor I’d say Shields>Metal
terse lava
@gilded masonlooks like it will take me some time. Having trouble finding the page number.
Wouldn't be surprised if the covenant had some type.of automatic. Cleaner
Yep
versed helm
Woah active chat
stable schooner
Heck if I was an Elite Minor or Major I’d wish I had Arbiters Armor
versed helm
^
humble yacht
i bet. you'd be a celebrity
static reef
Eventually they did
stable schooner
That never actually happens in game dialogue though.
static reef
True, but the other elites do treat arbiter differently
stable schooner
Only character that gives Arbiter any smack is Rtas in a single Cutscenes
Every Elite and Grunt Arbiter encounters is 1. Motivated by him 2. Glad he’s there
static reef
The Heretic says that the position of Arbiter became to be known as a position for shamed elites to regain their honor
stable schooner
No I mean your right it is a position of shame but your rank and file still respect it as only Great Warriors become Arbiters
“If it isn’t the Arbiter” is ingrained in my head
terse lava
Tje position of arbiter is viewed not just as a shameful sangheili but also the will of the prophets. They are viewed as holy warriors due to being the will of the prophets. Thus the respect they are given.
proud quail
class II what
unique rune
I'd imagine it's referring to the Spartan-IIs, yeah.
humble yacht
I don’t think all arbiters get the mark of shame
sudden shuttle
I guess it depends on how big the failure is?
humble yacht
Well yes, but I think being it’s independent of becoming an arbiter
past olive
The arbiter from Halo Wars more appeared to do it out of anger and revenge rather than shame, then again we don't know what he did to obtain the role (or do we? Is it in a book somewhere?)
terse lava
@past olive He was chosen by Regret to be the arbiter. Before thos he was in prison for a failed coup on his kaidon
terse lava
@humble yachtperhps other Mark's were used for different arbiters. The mark of shame may denote thel as a different brand of arbiter then say ripa
@past olivebecause he was a prisoner who was going to die outside of the battlefield
stable schooner
Man I still think Halo Wars adding a new Arbiter was so unnecessary
terse lava
It kinda makes sense really
stable schooner
Doesn’t even have a good actually important background, dies in the game he’s introduced. Isn’t even made Arbiter to actually fight the Humans.(actually wrong here I admit)Heck can Every High Prophet have their own Arbiter
terse lava
He...he was made arbiter to fight humanity
He was the even in charge of some of the 1st covenant fleets during the harvest campaign
And responsible for wiping out a group of covenant that disagreed with the hierarchs
stable schooner
Literally any Elite Commander could have done that. Why not make another Arbiter in the 30 year time period if their so essential
terse lava
I would say because at the time the covenant thought humanity only had harvest Besides other fleet masters got involved eventually
stable schooner
Arbiters are for times of great Crisis. Exactly Humanity wasn’t even this decades long threat yet
And people still think he’s Thel lol
Makes the Arbiter seem like even basically nobody Elites can be chosen.
terse lava
Well canon wise there were only ripa and thel, the halo wars board game claimed there was another arbiter on either teach or jericho
gilded mason
It’s been confirmed non canon
terse lava
Thought so
stable schooner
I just wish Halo Wars didn’t just try shove every main thing in the main series into one side game even when it really didn’t fit.
terse lava
Besides, before ripa there was, what? 60 some years till you get to the arbiter during the grunt rebellion
Well they needed s villian
Tell me, who do you remember more
Ripa Mormee or welgsh
terse lava
Ripa..ah forget it with auto correct it. The arbiter or the field master next to him
stable schooner
Could have made Xytan the main villain
terse lava
Doubtful, he was put in exile for being too popular
stable schooner
This is 30 years before that
The main villain doesn’t have to be an Arbiter that people confuse for Thel
terse lava
Sangheili live long lives, and as far as lore depicts, imperial admiral looks to be the highest rank one can get
He was likely in exile before the war even began
stable schooner
Literally could have just created a new fleet master then
terse lava
Like I said though, they needed a memorable villian
A random fleetmaster could maybe work true
stable schooner
Ripa ain’t Memorable imo. Him getting killed by Forge is what’s always brought up
Plus being an Arbiter means you have to compete with Thel in the memorable area
terse lava
Well he did in a way
He's 1 of 3 named arbiters
3 named out of 5 shown, out of hundreds known
stable schooner
Heck make the Brute Chieftain whos in Halo Wars just to be a Third Leader the Main Villain
terse lava
They planned that for halo wars 2
The original hw2
They did give him a title at least, thrallslayer
stable schooner
Poor Brutes got added to Halo Wars for no reason But aren’t actually given a role at all
terse lava
Their role was to have brutes and guards the outside of the shieldworld
Was just a few years from halo 3's release
stable schooner
When do Brutes appear in a Cutscene? and more then 1 mission outside one encounter.
terse lava
Never said they did appear in one, their only purpose was to round out the factions, and to show they were in a.lower place then the sangheili who were allowed to guard the interior of the world
stable schooner
Exactly it’s sad they got the shaft
terse lava
I guess...never had any real love for them
stoic hamlet
I remember a bunch of people assumed Castor was that brute Chieftain from HW1 initially.
stable schooner
I know it’s a hard life loving Elites and Brutes
stoic hamlet
I always did like that idea
terse lava
@stoic hamletagreed it is nice
stable schooner
That would have been cool
terse lava
Heck, may have been true at one point, the people that made hw1 were. Considering an add on with a covenant campaign
Sadly never came to pass
But the chieftain was to take center stsge
But hey, you have plenty of brute love with halo wars 2
stable schooner
I know who would have expected a joint Brute Elite Faction
terse lava
It was kind of interesting...outside of the main plothole
stable schooner
And the Elites actually looked good. Plot and Campaign aside Halo Wars 2 delivered for me
terse lava
Agreed
Only problem I truly had with it at first was the fact all grunt files were led by brutes
They changed that eventuslly5
stable schooner
And they Dual Wield Lol
stable schooner
Truth
stable schooner
When it’s the Elites and not the Brutes using Brute Plasma Rifles
versed helm
Have overshields been used in the lore?
remote spruce
wonder how it's activated
"Carry the overshield cube over there"
"Ok, Is i-oh whoops I'm green now"
last anchor
Also the Spartan Field Manual mentions them.
I dont think the cubes in CE were canon...remember, this was from 2001, back when in-game powerups were still a thing.
If anything they're more like the "slap on your chest" things from H5 (which I actually rather like)
versed helm
Hm, interesting. Is it implied that they behave like the transitory ones in the games, or are they more permanent modules or something?
abstract zealot
I believe they act similar, though I don’t remember the official part on that.
But I don’t think it would be a permanent module as it acts as a small boost to your armor (whatever it may be). Meaning that boost itself has its own power system then the armor systems itself.
Hopefully that makes sense. Haven’t been the best at explaining things lately lol
versed helm
clearly the overshield powerup is a giant Jell-O and your Spartan eats it real fast using their augmentations
terse lava
Sangheili likely hunt and bring the meat back for grunts to prepare and cook
sonic ridge
Tfw no more morning food nipple
humble yacht
The grunts didn’t actually like the food nipple. It was just all they had.
humble yacht
Commissioned officers don’t typically enter combat so they stick to their formal wear
Ever seen a 5 star general in full combat gear?
rhetorical question
young mortar
What about lasky in h4 he was in the battle zone, not in battle but he was on that mammoth
humble yacht
Well he was in the protection of the mammoth the whole time
Though it is odd that the XO would embark on that mission
young mortar
Not to me either
humble yacht
The order of events probably didn’t allow time to get decked out in protective gear
torn sable
he should of
young mortar
He should of had a spartan escort
torn sable
yes and no
humble yacht
There was only one spartan
young mortar
Who was it
humble yacht
Chief
torn sable
wasnt there odsts set there
young mortar
He was late to the party
humble yacht
Chief wasn’t late. He had a different mission
humble yacht
It’s not late
Committing shock troopers to guard duty would be a misallocation of resources
torn sable
thats why i deleted my previous statement
young mortar
I heard a statement on a star wars server that said the lore in halo is as in-depth as the lore in star wars
torn sable
i believe it
young mortar
I want to but the lore in star wars is HUGE
carmine sleet
Are we talking about Star Wars canon or Star Wars Legends? Because there's two different answers depending on what you are talking about
young mortar
I think he just said star wars referring to all of it
How about we evaluate to see if it is true
Cos I'm curious
carmine sleet
Well, if we're going with both Star Wars canon and Star Wars Legends, then Star Wars wins easily given how much there is in both
Granted, there's more in Legends than canon because that's been round for much longer
humble yacht
Depth and breadth are different things
The breadth of Star Wars lore is certainly wider, as a result of it having been around for longer
The depth, however (I.e. how detailed it gets), is probably comparable to halo
young mortar
The guy told me that "the lore in halo is just as in depth as the lore in star wars"
So halo and star wars lore are roughly the same depth wise
humble yacht
I wouldn't take some guy at their word on anything
but when I think about it, I feel like they have comparable depths
young mortar
I didnt thats why I came here to see if it was true
humble yacht
you have to decide for yourself
versed helm
I got Halseys journal yesterday, very happy
versed helm
On ground, i think Halo is overall stronger, in space, definitely star wars
But they are at different power levels
Are we allowed to compare universes in the server?
fair hazel
Yes..?
versed helm
I watch a lot of Eckharts Ladder, he’s good for that kind of stuff, i think i’ve heard Ericks name on one of his vids
fair hazel
And no, halo is stronger in space
young mortar
Preach
fair hazel
Star Wars LOOKs more tech advanced and effective.
young mortar
Also care to explain
fair hazel
They do have more anti gravity stuff easily but.
versed helm
Well, also Halo uses AI which is way more effective
fair hazel
When it comes to weaponry, speeds, range, armour, etc. Halo takes it.
young mortar
Star wars ships don't have shields as well
fair hazel
In the last Jedi you can see the range of the ship. It’s only a few km.
Star Wars ships have shields..
fair hazel
Things in Star Wars space are close range.
young mortar
It doesn't look like they have shields
versed helm
Also, if let’s say the infinity was in a battle, They have like 10 strident class cruisers
and 400 spartans
And they would try and board onto the ships, where i don’t think Star wars would be able to do anything about that
young mortar
I think the biggest threat to the infinity in that fight would be the hundreds of tie fighter the empire has
versed helm
Nah, they would have protection, they can drop like 10 strident class cruisers
fair hazel
Tie fighters? A threat? No I don’t think so.
young mortar
Not a single one but they have hundreds of them
versed helm
they wouldn’t be able to really do anything to the shields really any ways
fair hazel
A hundred easy pickings targets
And what are they supposed to do against a big capital ship?
young mortar
I suppose
fair hazel
You need firepower to bring down halo shields.
versed helm
Halo doesn’t really use that many star fighters though
fair hazel
Because space combat works differently.
young mortar
Yeah the infinity could just destroy a star destroyer with a mac blast from far away
fair hazel
And halo fighters have more range too and speed.
young mortar
What the range of a mac blast
young mortar
Oops sorry
versed helm
Depends on the ship also, for a ODP or the Infinity, what erick said
I don’t think smaller ships would take one shot
young mortar
So I'd say 10 out of 10 times the fight goes to halo
stoic hamlet
I mean arguably the range of a MAC is infinite
The farther away the more time one has to dodge of course
But the slug won’t stop moving
versed helm
Well, no? the projectile would slow down, like a bullet
stoic hamlet
?
humble yacht
not in a vacuum
humble yacht
let's say you fire a MAC round off into deep space
young mortar
No gravity in space to pull it down
humble yacht
it'll keep going until it hits something
stoic hamlet
There’s nothing to slow a projectile except counter thrusts or a more powerful force
carmine sleet
No molecules in space to slow it down
fair hazel
There is gravity in space..
humble yacht
the gravity of celestial bodies will change its direction if it gets too close
fair hazel
And I was about to say what chimera said
young mortar
I meant in open space
fair hazel
Meaning?
young mortar
No celestial bodies nearby
humble yacht
the chances of travelling through open space without ever running into a gravitational field of something while within a galaxy is practically 0
celestial bodies can be anything from a star to an asteroid
young mortar
I'm an idiot remember
stoic hamlet
It depends on the ships it’s facing. A navy “killzonr” like in Halo 2 could be geared towards Covenant ships. But likely hundreds of thousands of KM easily.
fair hazel
The faint whisperings of gravity from distant massive “objects” can be felt from far away.
stoic hamlet
It depends on the capabilities of the two ships
young mortar
So we have done halo vs star wars, what about vs star trek
stoic hamlet
But yeah Star Wars can’t really beat the UNSC in a fight in space, I don’t think
fair hazel
Imagine the astronomically low possibilities of a Mac round one day impacting a planet where’s there’s a civilization on their biggest city
stoic hamlet
Ah, the stellaris event
young mortar
Star trek is more "nerdy" than star wars
versed helm
In ground, i don’t think they even stand a chance
young mortar
I think there is only a single enemy that can defeat all of halo
young mortar
Warhammer 40k
versed helm
that’s not really fair, WH40k isn’t realistic whatsoever, it’s supposed to be op
young mortar
Exactly the only enemy that can defeat halo is an enemy that's not meant to be defeated
The only enemy that can defeat halo is meant to be OP and not realistic
stoic hamlet
Are we talking forerunners or UNSC?
Plenty of enemies can beat the UNSC
it’s incredibly weak compared to many empires
stoic hamlet
Then every other universe gets their entire roster
40K, Culture, are two off the top of my head, maybe Mass Effect as well
Star Trek
young mortar
Lol I asked on a star wars server who would win halo or star wars
A lot of people said halo 9/10
It quickly became an argument
carmine sleet
Even with superweapons, Halo wins, a single Halo is more effective than both Death Stars and Starkiller Base
And yeah, it would likely devolve into an argument
humble yacht
If halo used a ring in a halo vs Star Wars fight, both sides would lose
young mortar
What about the jedi and the sith how would halo do against them
humble yacht
Actually
carmine sleet
Aye, that is true Chimera, but the Halos are still more effective
humble yacht
Star Wars has droids so after a halo firing, Star Wars could still fight
carmine sleet
Prometheans would still be around
young mortar
Didn't think of that
could MC defeat a jedi or a sith
And halo has ai
Star wars don't
carmine sleet
You know the droids are controlled by individual AI, right?
young mortar
But there not as smart as halo AI
Someone just said that jango would very easily kill MC
stoic hamlet
Nah
He doesn’t have the reaction time
Maybe if he planned in advance he could kill a Spartan
But it’s highly unlikely
versed helm
The droids have minor processing and combat prowess. Maybe a B3 droid could be a challenge
Since they were made to fight jedi
versed helm
if we are comparing entire universes, the forerunner alone can defeat many different universes
i was meaning mostly UNSC/Cove
versed helm
I don't count 40K for any vs battles because of ho they can't/aren't allowed to lose
proud quail
kek