Chief didn't see Johnson till the pelican connecting to the longsword
#lore-and-universe
humble yacht
They can convert any biological matter
stable schooner
That’s Rng Chimera it can be Stacker instead
humble yacht
Not biomatter
terse lava
The engineers are super computers essentially Made of nano machines I Think
proud quail
the marine that greets you after leaving the facility could be anyone, to be fair
i got the guy with the scar over his eye
i think that one's stacker
stable schooner
That’s CE Stacker Spart
proud quail
thanks, just making sure. i think in the later games he doesnt get a scar anymore
gilded mason
She sorta-kinda raised them, so she's pretty protective of them.
proud quail
spartan IIIs are a rival's project
humble yacht
Because she didn’t have input in those spartan programs
proud quail
and she believes IV's are inadequate
gilded mason
Because they're not her Spartans. Though I forget. Didn't she warm up to the SIIIs after spending time with them in Ghosts of Onyx?
gilded mason
Not canon
proud quail
if only you made the decisions on what's canon and what ain't, friend
after that, she basically called and treated the SIIIs as volatile
i think it was one of her interactions with thorne
humble yacht
It’s because Halsey is very opinionated
gilded mason
use the best of the best
Or people with connections...
humble yacht
Kinda like halo fans
proud quail
halsey was the fan insert in spartan ops
stable schooner
No wonder I love Halsey
proud quail
also ostral, a majority of SIVs were recruited from ODSTs besides apparently a couple
humble yacht
I don’t know about that
proud quail
because writers gotta make a background for their characters
humble yacht
Some prominent s-IVs were ex ODST
proud quail
so we get army engineers, ONI translators, ONI Black Ops, a guy with a dad with rank
gilded mason
besides apparently a couple
A bit more than that. Even 3/4 of Osiris were never ODSTs.
humble yacht
Rip
gilded mason
That'll teach me for a couple seconds!
gilded mason
Looks like it was just him and Hoya
proud quail
Grant was Navy, right?
gilded mason
Yeah
proud quail
so that's 4 i can name because a lot of these people dont have a background, period, or their background was outside marines
hyperlethal
although it says Davis "met Palmer during the Human Covenant War"
stoic hamlet
Tanaka was an Army Engineer, and Vale worked for ONI.
Thorne was an Army Sergeant
While Madsen was only made a Spartan due to nepotism. (He was a marine but seemingly saw no combat action)
humble yacht
Well
last anchor
Means he gotta prove himself and he's filling that role easily
humble yacht
Nepotism maybe got him into the program
But he would have still needed to prove himself for the augments
last anchor
He saved Thorne's butt with a sick noscope, lets us not forget that
humble yacht
I can’t see Musa just letting him swing by if he couldn’t hack it
last anchor
Lord no. There's no free rides in the Spartans
ebon heron
question lads... was Sesa Refumee (heretic leader from Halo 2) ever posthomously pardoned for his actions?
or has he more or less been just forgotten as a footnote?
gilded mason
I like to imagine Thel did something good for him and his family.
ebon heron
at the very least, the swords of sanghelios should acknowledge him for his part in starting the revolution
last anchor
They probably did. Thel wouldn't let someone with honor like Sesa simply fade from history
carmine sleet
A statue of Sesa would be a good way of honouring him
jaunty latch
Yes
stable schooner
Sesa was at the wrong place at the wrong time
carmine sleet
Indeed
proud quail
who made a lot of weird decisions
carmine sleet
Like what? Apart from shooting at Arby when he was speaking with Spark, allot of what he did made sense
humble yacht
I always thought he did that because he didn’t think Thel would actually be convinced
gilded mason
To be fair, they were literally plummeting right into the core of the gas giant. Sesa didn't have time for a diplomatic approach
carmine sleet
That's very true
proud quail
i mean, he was already prepared to die
and spark was five words away from crumbling thel's beliefs in front his face
gilded mason
Not dying is better than dying when it comes to spreading the word about a galaxy-killing superweapon.
and spark was five words away from crumbling thel's beliefs in front his face
As seen with Tartarus, that wasn't exactly guaranteed.
And Sesa figured that as an Arbiter, Thel wouldn't exactly listen to the truth.
half apex
wait
sonic ridge
Thel isn’t a simpleton like Tartarus tho I’d say
gilded mason
I'm going off what Sesa thinks.
sonic ridge
The brutes from what I’ve seen aren’t as smart, and when he’s given the definitive proof he’s just there for a moment contemplating it before I think deciding to just not believe it, through ignorance or choice.
gilded mason
who is xytan jar wattinre
An imperial admiral that tried to cash in on the Schism by making his own faction. He didn't get very far.
sonic ridge
Maybe it was choice and he thought we’ve come this far, we are about to start the great journey why would we stop now.
Or maybe he just couldn’t comprehend the entire covenants great journey being based on lies
proud quail
xytan? he's a big guy. the biggest guy.
sonic ridge
Isn’t he 3 metres tall
proud quail
i dont do metres, but he's 11 feet
unique rune
I mean you could have looked it up in the first place and saved yourself some time asking who he is
gilded mason
Sure, but I'm just going off of Sesa' perspective. He doesn't have access to Thel's current inner thoughts, so he's gotta think about what gives the least risk to himself.
proud quail
if we're talking about least risk he could've had his super realistic holograms distract the arbiter while he could've flew off
half apex
@unique rune tbh i first learned about xytan in the ghosts of onyx
proud quail
it definitely would've worked on me
gilded mason
lol
proud quail
i hate those things with a passion
stable schooner
Brute Hate is strong in you frik. Tartarus did think about it but possible advancement for his race won out he also took a minute to decide wether to Save Mercy.
gilded mason
tbh i first learned about xytan in the ghosts of onyx
That's where he was introduced and ended.
proud quail
you can cheese the whole fight if you had an energy sword
and if your lunge is on target
half apex
i was thinking there would be a bit more on him
proud quail
otherwise enjoy having six plasma rifles blasted on you
was it ever explained why his holograms shoot real plasma bolts
gilded mason
||neural physics||
sonic ridge
He woulda saved mercy
Ironic that mercy is shown mercy by a swift death from chief but not from his own people or even saved
Why does he die when chief rips the squid off him
terse lava
I think his irony was supposed to be he showed no e to rhel5
half apex
i think there is a flaw
terse lava
None to thel
proud quail
neural what
sonic ridge
Wot
gilded mason
neural what
magic
proud quail
ah, okay
half apex
is the imperial admiral really more powerful than the prophets?????
proud quail
foreal though what the heck is "neural physics"
gilded mason
is the imperial admiral really more powerful than the prophets?????
He had a lot of politcal influence, sure. Which is why they sent him away.
half apex
cuz it says they later exiled
terse lava
@half apexhe was admired by them, some said more then the prophets
half apex
oh
proud quail
the imperial admiral died before truth did so ima go on a limb and say only physically
sonic ridge
What’s rhel5
sonic ridge
Oh
half apex
👀 omg sickest elite armor i've ever seen 😍
sonic ridge
Where
half apex
xytan
proud quail
you know the big stick policy by teddy roosevelt?
gilded mason
Bah, his armor is gaudy. The simple and elegant Minor armor is where it's at.
proud quail
xytan has a big hat policy
terse lava
Yea his armor is pretty.good.looking
half apex
he kinda looks a bit skinny for an elite in my eyes 🤔
sonic ridge
Karl Franz?
terse lava
@gilded masonagreed
proud quail
on god, im pretty sure that's where most of the height comes from
gilded mason
he kinda looks a bit skinny for an elite in my eyes
Nah, he's got fairly average musculature
proud quail
the helmet looks like it's three, four feet, easily
gilded mason
Though I do like how squid-like his helmet is.
feral perch
The best Elite combat harness belongs to the Reach Generals.
Scariest belongs to the Ultras though.
stable schooner
Lol
terse lava
Oddly I am surprised they have not confirmed if he was the covenant's sole.imperial admiral or one of a few
terse lava
@feral perchreally? The general was my least favorite armor
sonic ridge
The minor armour is the best armour
gilded mason
The minor armour is the best armour
👍
feral perch
I think it’s great.
gilded mason
...lol
feral perch
stop
sonic ridge
I don’t like the h2a armour as much cause it’s different
gilded mason
CE Elites best
sonic ridge
They don’t need to remake perfection
stable schooner
Same General is low tier to me on looks only armor I dislike more is Officer
terse lava
Heresy, remove this filth
half apex
basically what if sgt johnson became a spartan 4? 🤔
sonic ridge
No the 3 elites are the best
terse lava
H2a was not bad at all armor wise
gilded mason
nah fam
sonic ridge
Muh triple send
half apex
maybe to make up for this he replaces sarah palmer as spartan 4 commander
sonic ridge
Oh yea the armour isn’t bad
stable schooner
Halo 2 Master Sangheili
terse lava
Though the back seemed kinda...turtle like
sonic ridge
I just don’t like it as much the minor armour
unique rune
are we talking about H2A campaign or MP
gilded mason
H2a was not bad at all armor wise
Maybe with a few tweaks. Like the mentioned back, and maybe different feet.
terse lava
@unique runecampaign
unique rune
oh good
terse lava
Actually
unique rune
because the MP armor is
kinda meh
stable schooner
I don’t care for the H2A rounded helms glad that got adjusted in Halo Wars 2
terse lava
Sid 343 give a reaaon why the h2a campaign armor.was not.used for mm?
stable schooner
Probably cause it’s Halo 4 Engine
gilded mason
Different developement staff or something
unique rune
Probably because H2A MP is pretty much independent of campaign
half apex
i have a feeling 343 is gonna make master chief's gen 3 armor look like his halo 4/5 armor
stable schooner
As I’m sure you noticed the Elites themselves are the Halo 4 versions mostly
gilded mason
i have a feeling 343 is gonna make master chief's gen 3 armor look like his halo 4/5 armor
Uh.
half apex
by the time infinite is released
feral perch
And why the SMG and shotgun are more faithful to the original in multiplayer, lol
proud quail
didnt we already saw the GEN III armour
terse lava
Yet if I recall correctly, during the announcement of mcc mm, they used reach sangheili models yea?
gilded mason
That's not exactly feasible, Nexus.
unique rune
Yeah, we saw GEN3 in the Infinite trailers.
half apex
couldn't they still make changes?
terse lava
Idk
feral perch
Why would they?
stable schooner
Same stonewall it’s so inconsistent lol
unique rune
They could.
proud quail
a whole new model change?
unique rune
Er, well.
They already have.
half apex
well maybe not exactly like his gen 2
proud quail
isnt infinite announced to be coming out 2020?
feral perch
But why?
half apex
but maybe taking parts of it
proud quail
or am i going nuts?
feral perch
And yeah
proud quail
fourth quarter?
unique rune
The original teaser and Discover Hope have slight differences in his armor.
feral perch
Holiday 2020
stable schooner
H2A Multiplayer uses Halo 4 Beam Rifle with Halo 2 sound. Kills me
proud quail
Yeah, so it's gonna be a massive pain to remake an entire model, rig it, then use it
in the span of a couple months
gilded mason
They have absolutely no reason to create a brand new armor for Gen III John and then suddenly scrap it.
proud quail
not to mention it'd put them in hotter water with their already divided fanbase
feral perch
Why would they?
unique rune
GEN3's probably already pretty close to finalized at this point
half apex
honestly i wish there was a feature where we could choose which gen of armor we could play with in infinite
cuz tbh i really like gen 2
unique rune
there might be some more minor tweaks before release but the Discover Hope revision is probably what we can expect from the launch version of Infinite
half apex
i have my reasons, fight me
gilded mason
That would be fairly nice, in the "play with custom armor" aspect. Like Reach.
ebon heron
man the more I remember H2 and H3
the more I'm reminded of how much of a prick truth was
proud quail
my only issues with GEN II are the undersuits and halo 5's armours
I LOVED a majority of Halo 4's stuff
half apex
i like gen 2 cuz it made chief seem more intimidating
sonic ridge
At what point does truth say your people never believed in the great journey
gilded mason
I'd have John in Mark V permanently if I could.
feral perch
Halo 3, his dying moments
sonic ridge
Okay
proud quail
halo 5, 343i hired some third party model companies, one of which worked on Warframe
and it put a lot of things into perspective
stable schooner
To be fair he was pretty delirious at that point
unique rune
well
343 outsourced some of the armor rendering in Halo 4 as well
remote spruce
See that's not the issue
the issue is translating the 2D design to 3D
sonic ridge
343 also got a pug for sounds
half apex
and if u ask me, they should remove all of osiris except buck. maybe bring back crimson or majestic
proud quail
yeah but halo 4's armours looks marginally better
i'd rather they remove buck from osiris
unique rune
that's more of an art direction thing than it is outsourcing
feral perch
Osiris has lost Buck.
proud quail
like, on god,
gilded mason
They did
feral perch
Have you read Bad Blood?
half apex
not yet
feral perch
He left to rejoin Alpha Nine.
remote spruce
big yawn
gilded mason
Yeah
feral perch
Yeah.
half apex
awww man i wanted to see him as a spartan 😭
feral perch
Rookie just wasn’t that important...
proud quail
but alpha nine is back at full strength
sudden shuttle
Rookie didn't even talk.
feral perch
He grunted.
proud quail
rookie doesnt even have a personality
remote spruce
Rookie had naps, making him more relatable than any Halo character
proud quail
besides sleep
half apex
thats the reason why i liked him
gilded mason
Though he was fairly expressive in his movements.
proud quail
yeah but the thing is
everytime rookie shrugged or shook his head
it could mean anything
for all we know he's a total psycho/sociopath but he's a player insert
so it just depends on our mood, i guess
feral perch
He’s neither if you do Good Samaritan
half apex
i miss thorne. i really liked him for his ideals and reasons for become a spartan
half apex
he's like the other spartan 2s and 3s
proud quail
but then they did my boy de marco dirty
off'ed him in a comic
whoever sat down and decided that was a good idea, ill never know
stable schooner
Reach Spec Ops Though that was hot. Can’t decide if it looked better on Stealth or Spec Op Elites. You gotta find all of Sadie’s Logs to see Rookies Take charge side lol
half apex
i feel really bad for madsen
feral perch
Reach Spec Ops are cool but at the same time, kinda shrimp-faced
stable schooner
You make a strong point
feral perch
I think Ultras just don’t have any downsides.
Reach Elite Rangers are also the best version of them.
stable schooner
Now I can’t agree there I much perfer 2s Rangers to Reaches just one big screen for a Helmet seems a weakness to me
stable schooner
It does look pretty Aight
vague scroll
Halo 2 and Reach didn't have any Army Rangers. We only had Army Troops. Rangers weren't confirmed until this year's Spartan Field Manual.
And even then all Halo 2 forces were Marines.
Oh come on, now I read "Elite Rangers"...
forget me.
my bad.
gilded mason
Where the Flood attempt to sway People to their side via prolonged arguments, basically
unique rune
he's really more infected with the Cortana Plague at the moment
sonic ridge
I am a monument to all your bins.
lunar condor
Unless a gravemind is around that nobody noticed
sonic ridge
Maybe a part of the gravemind from delta halo remains within cortana?
proud quail
that's been a theory, but there's nothing for the theory to stand on
sonic ridge
That’s why it’s a theory
lunar condor
Its more of a hypothesis than a theory even
proud quail
my point is there's nothing to stand on for it
sonic ridge
Ye
lunar condor
Yeah
sonic ridge
I don’t know what the logic virus is other than gravemind does it
proud quail
it floods the AI
it's a lot of information all at once until the system breaks
it can also 'force' emotions and similarities of physical pain to AI, iirc
cortana got a taste of that one
vague scroll
not necessarily, its more of a prolonged discussion that the affected AI is taught to think in a different manner than it was intentionally designed for.
the theory that Cortana is infected with the logic plague is unfounded
sonic ridge
Okay
vague scroll
proud quail
but if you ask an AI a question it's not designed for
usually it...doesnt answer
im confused lol
gilded mason
But it could be the rampancy```
Rampancy would be the cause, yes.
versed helm
The logic plague is very scary, and can bring down a whole civilization
vague scroll
Smart AIs aren't typical AIs in that they're programmed for specific purposes.
Smart AI are rather human brains that are virtualized so they're just digital human beings.
their learning format is not a rigid structure like real life AIs
Dumb AIs are closer to that concept
versed helm
Dumb AIs are pretty simalar to a Siri
vague scroll
Dumb AIs are closer to something like Watson rather than Siri, Siri is just a vocalized operating query system, it can't actually learn
proud quail
see, scifi mumbo jumbo like that makes me confused on why they dont use the application of smart AIs for other things, like automated drones and fighters
vague scroll
Warden is on a higher level capacity than Smart or Dumb AI
Smart and Dumb AI are human concepts, Forerunner AIs don't fall under the same definition
vague scroll
Warden can get logic plague
versed helm
not really hacked
proud quail
cortana had the universe-wide-web in her brain
to be fair, that's kinda the most important detail
vague scroll
@versed helm a Smart AI who's been adapted to Forerunner technology can learn/adapt to Forerunner systems
Mendicant Bias is on record actually getting the logic plague
well she does outright say she was overwhelmed by all the new information in CE
hasty geyser
"Never been better! You can't imagine the wealth of information. The knowledge! So much! So fast! It's glorious!"
more than we can fathom
versed helm
10 what
proud quail
terabytes
gilded mason
10 bits
dense barn
10,000 terabytes
Cuz she got the domain
And all the forunner knowledge
Plus she is halsies ai
versed helm
bits
ebon heron
I really wish we could see some good prophets, like the ones who allied with the humans 100,000 years ago
gilded mason
We've got Zo Resken, at least.
feral perch
There's at least one, yeah.
full forge
So, what happens to the Sangheili on the Broken Circle?
ebon heron
My bad, rather I mean more of them
gilded mason
As far as we know, they're all fine.
ebon heron
Granted I feel like if Regret had survived longer, he may have opposed truth
gilded mason
Seems certainly possible.
ebon heron
Much of an antagonist as he was he did certainly see things more from the Sangheili perspective
And unlike most of his kind he did have a warrior’s spirit
versed helm
Well, in a manner of speaking.
stable schooner
Yeah Regret was definitely pro Elite but I wouldn’t call him good
terse lava
Yet at the same time it was him who. Viewed sangheili honor with.a wary eye
Does make.me wonder, how.would first.contact go down if sangheili had been tasked with humanity rather then brutes
ebon heron
Elites always had a modicum of respect for humans, but of course took to their genocidal orders over honor and rationality.
Some elites questioned why the covenant wanted to extinguish humanity rather than invite them into the covenant because well, the humans made much better warriors than the Jackals and Grunts
But they never acted on this question, and for the most part continued to obey the orders of the hierarchs
Humans were exceptional warriors and engineers in the eyes of many elites iirc
If the elites had a little more political sway rather than idiotically handing over all religious and political duties to the prophets, the whole war on humanity may have been avoided entirely
feral perch
I'm not sure I agree.
ebon heron
Covenant religion could have been reformed rather than shattered
versed helm
Intestinal parasite.
feral perch
Same difference.
gilded mason
Kilo-5 term
😋
versed helm
I'd rather be a worm than live in some Elite's intestines.
feral perch
There are worms that do both, I think.
gilded mason
I'd rather be a worm than live in some Elite's intestines.
you casual
feral perch
ostral no
gilded mason
lol
feral perch
no
ebon heron
I mean the Covenant religion could have survived
If it had just reformed
And billions wouldn’t have needed to die
feral perch
I wonder what would have happened if the Covenant tried to assimilate humanity.
ebon heron
But alas the hierarchs during Halo’s timeline well... they really did not want to let go of their hold on the covenant
feral perch
There would be parts who would resist, but some who might join. With humanity fractured even more by this, what would the outcome be?
ebon heron
To the point that they were willing to doom everything in the galaxy for a misconception
The Great Journey wasn’t even a lie; it was a misconception
They could avert the idea of the Great Journey from salvation through the rings to salvation through the study of forerunner technology to recreate paradise in the galaxy
feral perch
wellllll, it kinda was a lie, as Fal 'Chavamee contested.
The Forerunners' "Great Journey" was a permanent trip out of the Milky Way, not transcendence.
ebon heron
I think it was more a misconception that could have been reformed
At the point the 3 hierarchs discovered however, it had turned into a lie
Because they learned the truth and still did not wish to reform the covenant religion with their discovery
wintry coral
The Prophets are liars
gilded mason
"muh power"
ebon heron
Stupid, poorly made decisions
Rooted in a lust for power
But seriously, if covenant religion had reformed and accepted humanity into the fold
Well, humans would end up climbing the ranks of the covenant very quickly for one
wintry coral
Yeah since humans are the only ones that can activate Forerunner tech
ebon heron
They may even be held in high regard as ‘reclaimers’ but the prophets and elites would still be very skeptical of them
feral perch
Not all humans would want to join. Probably not ONI, for one.
ebon heron
And I don’t think either party would be willing to give up much of their power
wintry coral
Or at least the most powerful of Forerunner tech
feral perch
But the Covenant beat their client races into submission, so... what would happen?
ebon heron
Probably a lot of resentment at the beginning
If the covenant had declared it was a war of subjugation rather than eradication
Peace would have been achieved much quicker, with covenant victory
wintry coral
Didn’t the species of the Covenant, except for the Prophets since they know the truth, ever wonder why only humans can activate Forerunner technology?
ebon heron
For the most part, no
Especially since due to the power the prophets held, any dissent or questions would be met with very quick silence
wintry coral
True
ebon heron
We see in Sesa Refumee’s case
The elites at that point were too much honorbound warriors, not philosophers or thinkers as they may have been in the past
As intelligent as the species was, their culture did not encourage that kind of critical thinking
343 guilty spark was quick to mock Sesa and his entire species for not questioning the foundation of the covenant or the role of the arbiter in the halo 2 anniversary terminals
wintry coral
Yeah I saw those terminals on YouTube
ebon heron
He questioned them on their indoctrination and political contentment
video could be found here as well for those who haven't yet seen it
wintry coral
Poor Sesa, he knew the true purpose of Halo and wanted to talk to Thel
ebon heron
🇫
wintry coral
Yes
ebon heron
dayum, guilty spark is so passive aggressive it's hilarious
watching the videos from h1-3 again
terse lava
I wonder why they saw the humans as left behind forerunners as a bad thing. Wouldn't seeing them Fallen Angels. Everyone was told heresy could leave you behind
vague scroll
Well, fallen angels don’t exactly have a good reputation in most religions.
terse lava
Of ourse.not, but likely better then the alternative
versed helm
Even if Sesa Refumee did survive the events of Halo 2,would he have joined Thel despite him trying to kill Sesa Refumee?
gilded mason
I think Sesa would have forgiven him.
versed helm
I wonder if we'll ever see Half-Jaw again?
gilded mason
I should hope. Rtas is a pretty great character.
versed helm
Yep
I just had a thought,would it be possible that a Guardian might also be buried on Earth,or does that sound stupid?
There was a Forerunner facility hidden in Mount Kilimanjaro.
True
But do we know the extent of that facility
Was it really necessary for Cortana to use two Guardians to neutralize Earth?
Because it seems a bit excessive
gilded mason
And even with that major disadvantage we still won
Though that wasn't exactly because of human military might.
versed helm
The Great Schism does play a huge role in why we won the war
Plus the Sangheili sided with us
gilded mason
Yeah. If Thel and Rtas hadn't rallied their troops to help the UNSC, there wouldn't be a UNSC.
gilded mason
Poorly.
versed helm
Would crashing a frigate into a Guardian destroy it?
gilded mason
Doubt it
feral perch
We’ll just have to build an actual Guardian and UNSC frigate to find out
versed helm
I can't help but wonder if they made the Guardians too OP because humanity was becoming way too powerful way too fast
The Banished were lucky to contain the Flood, at a terrible cost to nearly half their army. And they needed the Sentinel Defenses to even make real progress.
feral perch
So we know the entire Banished force on the Ark is roughly equal to 1 Master Chief
versed helm
Oh Voridus, you just had to enter High Charity...even though Atriox and Pavium told you NOT to enter.
carmine sleet
Chief's good but I wouldn't say he equals the entire Banished army on the Ark in terms of strength
versed helm
Um, that was actually Voridus and Pavium.
versed helm
Other than ATM,how will the Flood return?
versed helm
Every Halo ring has a Flood Containment facility and a Monitor who oversees the Installation.
wintry coral
Yes
versed helm
Let's just hope that history doesn't repeat like what happened with Installation 04. Or even worse, Zeta Halo has a Gravemind like in Installation 05 because the monitor got careless with containment protocols.
gilded mason
Zeta had been cleansed by the SoS in intervening years, I believe.
versed helm
Wait,wasn't that Delta Halo
wintry coral
I’ve heard that during the Forerunner-Flood War, some Flood ships went to other galaxies. Is that true?
Or was I going insane?
versed helm
Wasn't that the Human-Forerunner wars
gilded mason
According to a statement by Catalog on the Halo Waypoint forums, the Swords of Sanghelios had implemented containment and sterilization protocols within possible Flood infected zones on the installation as of 2558
wintry coral
The Flood’s gonna have to come from another place in order to be in Infinite
For it to make sense
versed helm
I do wonder,what galaxy did Bornstellar and his family,along with the other surviving Forerunners flee to?
versed helm
What really happened to 049 Abject Testament?
wintry coral
Wasn’t he in a CE terminal? The red monitor that said “We deserve to be forgotten”
versed helm
Yep
wintry coral
I have no idea where he is
carmine sleet
Alucard, the Precursors are dead, all of them. We're not going to see them return
And Abject Testament was in hiding on Gamma Halo, he just didn't show himself to anyone whole they were there
versed helm
Well, strictly speaking there's no way to be entirely sure that the Precursors are dead.
But it seems like the intent is that they probably are.
And I'm not sure how interested I'd be a large-scale return for them. Obviously it all depends on execution.
ebon heron
I feel like HW2 squandered Atriox's potential
gilded mason
It squandered a lot of things.
Like how the crew of SoF got completely caught up on everything they missed off-screen.
ebon heron
gilded mason
And Let 'Volir getting only three lines in the entire game.
terse lava
Does tick.me.off how let got so little, wensonr even.know what he did during the flood outbreak
remote spruce
He stayed chilling and sent some Honor Guards
versed helm
Nothing went well for Atriox at all. Thanks to the Spirit of Fire and his own soldier's incompetence.
Least he's still alive and fighting unlike the Arbiter Ripa Moramee from Wars 1.
ebon heron
If not for plot armor SoF should have hard lost
Their equipment was 3 decades out of date, hasn’t been maintained for just as long, and they barely had any resources to rely on after the events of the first HW on board the SoF
The supply problem was never addressed either
past olive
Wha do ya mean they had little resources? Whenever I built a supply pad there was always a ship that magically appeared! Jk. For real though we unfortunately cannot gage how many resources they had as well as how many men they lost to the banished since this is an rts game and you can make a neverending stream of troops
Their numbers wouldn't have been great from the start but we don't know how many actually died in each mission
You could even argue that they lost no one apart from units that were scripted to die (if there were any I can't remember though)
humble chasm
Does anyone still believe that n6 is in a cave on reach
hasty geyser
He's dead dude
humble chasm
Ik o just cant let go
carmine sleet
Yeah, Six is super dead. Even if he was somehow able to survive the Elites, he would've died either from being glassed or lack of food and water. Not to mention the fact that the air on glassed planets is horrible for a human to breath so that could've also killed him
carmine sleet
His armour was badly damaged and he took his helmet off and any UNSC bunker left was more than likely blown open by Covenant. Not to mention the fact that they don't do much against glassing beams
humble chasm
Ok
stoic hamlet
The Ark had a Spartan team assigned to it?
Most likely
Well, Isabel seems relieved to see Spartans, implying she assumed it was a rescue mission at least at first.
And Spartans obviously would have been sent to relieve their comrades
carmine sleet
There were Mantises on Installation 00 that were used by the UNSC forces stationed there before Atriox arrived
Plus, Isabel has schematics for them that the SoF are able to use to build their own
fair hazel
Mantises were tested on meridian
They were used against mantises
And earned the nickname mantis
stoic hamlet
Hehe
remote spruce
this is the most cruel lore detail
last anchor
I wonder if that means the kids from Battle Born will pilot them. That'd be cool if one of them was the pilot for the Mantis Run
stoic hamlet
Please god no
They’ve already been inserted into enough
They don’t need to be at every important event
last anchor
I'd pay to see it happen and them watch it at least
terse lava
Anyone hoping we get more info on the covenant fringe
gilded mason
Maybe after all the Yonhet die in a freak "element that only effects one species" accident.
terse lava
Heh while I didn't like them, the idea of the fringe I enjoyed
Makes sense as 343 said there were non Covenant races out there, but they were low tier
Seemed to imply, or at least to me, that any non covenant race in the galaxy lack the ability to leave their home world
obsidian thistle
I do commend 343i for keeping going with the Yonhet.
gilded mason
'Commend' is one word for it.
obsidian thistle
Well killing them all off-screen would of been bad writing. But seeing as they exist, be as well make use of em.
gilded mason
Eh, sometimes things can get introduced to a universe that weren't that good or detrimental. If nothing much was done with them yet, I can see it as a positive to sweep whatever it was under the rug.
obsidian thistle
Who says the Yonhet were really a bad concept? I mean hard to say when they hardly been used?
gilded mason
My point stands in general. Though at the moment, it's mainly their design I have issue with, along with introducing a whole new species into the mix while other races still need development. Though consdering the extent different species can be redesigned, perhaps 343 will make a good design for them that doesn't look so silly.
obsidian thistle
Well we only seen 1 in any detail. And a bunch of low-rez comic slaves.
gilded mason
And a high-detailed pic of them at the end of Escalation
stoic hamlet
| Species can be redesigned
“The Yonhet in Nightfall was just trying to fit in, thats why he looks so different. He was lonely and wanted friends.”
-343 probably.
gilded mason
👍
obsidian thistle
I still would love other Fringe species to appear. I refuse to believe Yonhet are the only ones that have "any" post-war stuff out of Covie space.
gilded mason
Eh, I don't really want them taking up time that could go to the already established species.
obsidian thistle
Well the Fringe exists. I'd rather it be used than never at all.
terse lava
Agreed, fringe has potional, giving a.diverse am poo until of races
carmine sleet
Did auto correct mess up your sentence?
versed helm
Engineers and Prophets mainly.
carmine sleet
Drones were also capable of doing engineering work but the Engineers were the main ones most of the time
versed helm
@ebon heron you could also say that plot armor is what kept the PoA crew alive during the first Halo. At least until the Flood was unleashed.
stoic hamlet
I mean, not really
ebon heron
That’s not plot armor that’s Master Chief’s luck
stoic hamlet
They were all incredibly competent at holding the line.
And the Covenant didn’t expect Helljumpers to assault their positions.
ebon heron
I’m more willing to believe the PoA situation than I am the SoF situation nevertheless
Canonically PoA didn’t even survive for long after escaping Reach either way
stable schooner
Yeah the Pillar Of Autumn didn’t exactly survive
carmine sleet
The crew of the PoA was also meant for Operation: Red Flag, so it's more than likely everyone on board were some of the best the UNSC had to offer
stoic hamlet
POA was a light cruiser actually.
ebon heron
Oh mb, still a purpose built warship
versed helm
Hmm, If I recall correctly, During the course of the war, Humanity had better chances fighting on the surface than in space combat.
I'm not too concerned about the Spirit of Fire lasting nearly 3 decades, since it was a colony ship, and was still maintained by a skeleton crew. (Which also inadvertently gave the lone infection form a chance to strike.)
ebon heron
Compared to a converted colony ship that was 30 years out of date by HW2’s timeline
terse lava
@carmine sleet as usual it did yep
versed helm
Basically, just chalk it up to sci fi. Spirit of Fire may be very old, but it still got grit.
ebon heron
As a note, UNSC infinity is actually a pretty bad idea when it comes to how to spend military resources
versed helm
Noah's Ark?
carmine sleet
Infinity was meant as a last resort if Earth fell originally, it would've been even more of a waste to scrap it after the war ended
ebon heron
It’s like they learned nothing from destroying the Long Night of Solace
Really big, expensive capital ships are not the best ways to spend your money
Real life examples including IJN Yamato and Musashi
Colossal wastes of resources that amounted for nothing
terse lava
The covenant could afford to lose 3 of those supercarriers
carmine sleet
And Infinity wasn't ever intended to be a "Noah's Ark", it was always intended as a warship
terse lava
Humanity? Nope
stoic hamlet
They lost more than 3
terse lava
More? Hammer of faith, long night, and xytan's carriee
Only aware of super arriers they lost
stoic hamlet
The one from Silent Storm?
Or is that the hammer of faith?
ebon heron
Point stands that spending massive amounts of resources on what are essentially space hotels and giant floating coffins is a bad idea
terse lava
Cough high charity cough
carmine sleet
High Charity isn't a supercarrier
carmine sleet
Nor was Unyielding Hierophant
stoic hamlet
Uneven elephant was a station
terse lava
No no I was going on with the space hotel part with those 2
carmine sleet
I wouldn't call them hotels
terse lava
My point with those 2 was to show that large space stations worked fine for the covenant
versed helm
If a threat like the Flood got on board.
carmine sleet
And having something like High Charity isn't a bad idea. It wasn't a warship or a battle station, it was the capital of an empire that was basically the best thing they could've done with the various races they have as part of them
terse lava
@ebon heronwell....high charity had a.massive mausoleum below the city
Larger then the city really
carmine sleet
If you mean the Mausoleum of the Arbiter, that's not below the city
terse lava
Nope
In warfleet the cutaway shows a large mausoleum below the city
Right below the city and above their forges
last anchor
I think those are the forges mate
terse lava
Hm, you have the book right orca?
last anchor
I do. Im looking at it right now
I dont see a mausoleum, I see what looks like part of the forges
The production facilities under it
I think any mausoleum they have would be too small to see, considering the scale of the drawing.
terse lava
Yes, but I am referring to the large area right below the city, those..blue boxes
Stretches from one side of high charity to the other
Thin right under the city, larger expansion on the sides
last anchor
Yeah, I dont think thats a mausueum
Its right under where the dread is right?
Its tagged "the golden city."
terse lava
Can't be the forges either though. Each area has a little factoid about it and the golden city factoid has the line pointing at those boxes. I figure there are either living areas or a mausoleum
last anchor
Its living areas
carmine sleet
So very much the opposite of a mausoleum
last anchor
Says thats the city under the main one we see around the dread, where the normal plegbs lived
terse lava
That's what I did think at 1st but you have the living conditions in those hovering little spherical the grandest States and high vaults
last anchor
Yeah, but remember how big High Charity is
And how the Covenant is
This is where the nameless and the honorless live, the low income sector
So probably Unggoy and Kig-yar and various Fringe species
Sanshyuum get the nicer towers and Sangheili do too probbaly.
Brutes were probably down there too for a while
terse lava
You know it just occurred to me I can't believe I didn't think of this. Before broken circle commented that the sangheili during the 1st 2 years or so of the covenants existence did have those vacuum sealed dormitories in the city as it was being built those are probly the end result
.....I feel like a complete idiot
I do wonder how covenant funerals fo though
stoic hamlet
Elites probably have their own rituals compared to Prophets
ebon heron
In Stellaris terms tho, high charity would be a habitat
terse lava
Likely, I would think it would vary, but was thinking more on those living in high charity
feral perch
I really want to see an Elite funeral now
terse lava
Well cole protocol showed a prayer that zealots did, the death benediction
Anyone find odd that we have seen forerunner funeral services but not covenant?
stoic hamlet
Not really? We’ve just never seen or had a need
terse lava
I guess
stoic hamlet
Well the Cyclops is a retrofitted Mark III exoskeleton.
It probably has lots of nooks and crannies
obsidian thistle
Fun fact about the Halo Wars 1 Cyclops
It was first used on Harvest on February 4 2531.
terse lava
Huh ok
stable schooner
Lol awkward moment but their so rarely used in the actual halo wars 1 Campaign
stoic hamlet
I only used them in the repair mission
stable schooner
I’m pretty sure you can use ODSTs more then you can use Cyclops in Campaign
stoic hamlet
Someone should check
stoic hamlet
If you’re highly respected as a Sangheili and or important enough you own land, named after your family.
last anchor
You kick butt, you get land. You name the land after yourself.
stoic hamlet
Like noble houses in feudal Europe
last anchor
So at some point or another a vadam said "this here rock is MINE" and stuck a flag in it and any other takers were promptly booted int he face
last anchor
To be fair, its not Trevelyn
The ONIRF is. I think the Shield has a different name
Yeah pretty much. They solve their disputes with honor duels after all. They are and always have been a warrior people
stoic hamlet
Well yeah, but still, a research facility and all the land in it (Which be like, the entire Sphere) is pretty noice
gilded mason
The former is when they're all together in armor.
last anchor
Technically not even that; just the gesalt form, whatever it might be
And no they aren't. The armor is just a "skeleton" for the multi foot worms to crawl into
A lekgolo colony in its rawest form is nothing more than a bunch of worms writing around bilndly. When threatened, they form together via neural impulses into a gesalt, forming a form for combat
Yes
Each lekgolo is nothing more than an arm length worm
No eyes. No legs. Nothing but mouth
Rocks. Trees. Stone.
Enviromental materials. We see it in the Taming of the Hunters terminal
No. Their planet was named Te
I believe it had SOME kind of forest on it
Basically whatever was around them they would swarm over and make into a form of armor
Or structure at least
Not quite that simple but yes
They dont eat metal, just specific things around it.
Some eat flesh. Others dont. There's subspecies of Lekgolo actually
Some pilot Scarabs or Harvesters, others form Hunters
stable schooner
Standard Minor Blue in Halo 3 but apparently he was a new Spec OP.
stable schooner
@gilded mason you’ve been called Sangheili
gilded mason
lol
sonic ridge
I’ve not read it all yet so I don’t want to know if he dies
gilded mason
https://www.halopedia.org/images/2/2a/Hunters_in_the_Dark_full_cover.jpg
Sangheili on the right is N'tho. From the cover
gilded mason
Just some armor. Not really tied to anything specific.
sonic ridge
Okay
gilded mason
And yeah, he's a shipmaster now.
stable schooner
My boy needs to get a Zealot Promotion
sonic ridge
I didn’t see anything about him in 4 or 5
gilded mason
Last we saw, Rtas was out on a mission of peace, searching for the remaining San'shyuum.
sonic ridge
How long ago was that
You’d think he’d have stayed at Sanghelios
Arbiter would want all the good people he could for the civil war
gilded mason
A few months after the war ended. However, apparently the Shadow of Intent was involved with clearing out pirates in the Joint Occupation Zone in 2557, so...
sonic ridge
What’s that
gilded mason
Joint territory controlled by both the UNSC and SoS
sonic ridge
Why were they clearing out pirates
stable schooner
This is Rtas Vadum Former Spec Ops Commander of the Covenant and Shipmaster acting like a Fleet Master of the Shadow Of Intent. He don’t got time for eating Sangheili grapes on Sanghelios
gilded mason
Why were they clearing out pirates
Because that was his mission.
gilded mason
Which time?
stable schooner
They left at the end of the Storm when the Portal opened
ebon heron
Correct me if I’m wrong
gilded mason
They were at the destination for however long it took for the Shadow of Intent to enter the portal after arriving in the Sol System
ebon heron
But covenant was 400 years old at the time?
gilded mason
But covenant was 400 years old at the time?
At the time of what?
sonic ridge
At what time
ebon heron
I’m very wrong
In their warrior culture, the Sangheili have great respect for a worthy adversary and after their surrender the San'Shyuum sought to broker a Covenant between the two races, thus the term "Covenant." The alliance between the two species was formed in 852 BC with the signing of the Writ of Union, the treaty that ended the conflict and brought about peace between the two races.[1]
So 852 BC, by the events of Halo the Covenant was already over 3000 years old
That’s... a very very old and long lasting interstellar empire
ebon heron
Longest lasting empire for us was the Roman Empire by virtue of the Eastern Roman Empire, no?
And that one if we consider Roman Republic as the start, still didn’t last 2000 years
ebon heron
Roman Republic, 509 BC
Fall of Constantinople, 1453 AD
Our longest lasting empire lasted 1964 years
stable schooner
Republic vs Empire though not the same political institution like the Covenant and the Roman Empire didn’t expand for a Thousand Years. Covenant real mvps here
ebon heron
If you want to ignore the republic era
It would start 27 BC Roman Empire (Augustus)
And ending at 1453 fall of Constantinople
But I don’t think you can ignore the republic era
stable schooner
Then I counter with the Fact the Empire was destroyed in 1204, and had reached its territorial peak in the 100s. Covenant got larger over 3000 years
terse lava
Tens of thousands of systems at their height
gilded mason
Hm?
terse lava
Huh?
sonic ridge
Page 148 of hunters in the dark
terse lava
Oh
sonic ridge
It says
||the large alien timbers helped deaden the ship’s landing. “ N’tho heard the thrusters||
gilded mason
Yeah, it's a typo
sonic ridge
Okay
proud quail
so besides having more scales, what other physical differences are there with the halo 4/5 sangheili from the past renditions?
sonic ridge
They are chunkier
They have bigger feet
Their mandibles go over their eyes almost
And they all sound deeper than brutes
They don’t sound quite as intelligent I’d say too
proud quail
eh, they never sounded smart to me
sonic ridge
They stand up straighter
gilded mason
Was never really a fan of any in-game Sangheili voice besides Thel and Rtas.
sonic ridge
I like the older stuff
proud quail
arent both of them keith david
sonic ridge
Mostly halo 3
sonic ridge
Do Sangheili do sarcasm
terse lava
I remember halo 2 they had 2 voice actors
gilded mason
Do Sangheili do sarcasm
Yeah.
sonic ridge
Okay
terse lava
@gilded masonreminds.me of that moment from hunters in the dark
"I am doing the patrol pattern to keep. Busy"
"No, you are.pacing"
gilded mason
lol
terse lava
Or the other one
sonic ridge
No this is Patrick
terse lava
"Use are.you ok?"
"Ask yourself this human, do I look ok?"
sonic ridge
This reminds me of the doctor episode of Knox’s korner
The klaymation
Dr bob saves the day
I’m pretty sure one of em even says they wanna play halo
terse lava
Ok
proud quail
halo 2 had way more than just two voice actors
stable schooner
Halo 2 Elites only have 2 voice actors.
And imo “they have shed our brothers blood” is the best Elite Voice in Halo. Shame he didn’t return for 3.
stable schooner
He’s the voice for that Elite yeah
sonic ridge
Why is he dead but speaking
gilded mason
Dying breaths?
sonic ridge
Cause Johnson was still moving and talking before he “died”
In marks because there’s a cutscene after where he truly dies
stable schooner
^Exactly what Ostral said. Dying breath if you Melee him his mouth will actually move
gilded mason
Also, isn’t the line you’re talking about spoken by one of the first Sangheili that pop out of the drop pods, Roman?
stable schooner
No it’s spoken by the Invisible Spec Op who comes out the door who then clenched his fists.
jaunty latch
“What will you have your arbiter do”
sonic ridge
Is that the first alive elite in that mission
stable schooner
Same Elite who says” A Zealot...So much for a stealthy advance”
sonic ridge
I think we can all agree the best exchange of words of elites is the beginning cutscene of the ark on halo 3
stable schooner
“Bah over so soon and Haaa Long have I waited for this” is the Zealot
stable schooner
Uprising not Great Journey and no those are High Councilors
gilded mason
Nope
sonic ridge
Why did they imprison a few
gilded mason
Because
stable schooner
Though if your Spec Op Elite makes it to the Prison he will say” Free our Brothers! Death to the Brutes”
sonic ridge
I think I got that in og halo 2
Why was the arbiter there when they picked up chief
Like why wit them specifically and not somewhere else
remote spruce
weren't there 2 grunt voices in halo 2?
jaunty latch
We need more jackal interaction
versed helm
"You killed Flipyap! Or Yapflip, was he... It was Yapflip... No, Flipyap is his brother. Don't tell me I don't know Flipyap! Flipyap and I went to Nipple Academy together! And now he's dead..."
jaunty latch
Grunt dialogues are funniest
They should make yapyap the destroyer canon
They had that in all the halos exactly
jaunty latch
Carrier forms had always had this technically it just that it was not shown in halo 1 and 2
They always had a orange tint
And sometimes combat forms had that too
Like for one instance the engineer in the spirt of fire
Where she was converted in a mixer between combat and carrier form
unique rune
The fluorescent orange fluid sacs were new for the HW2 Flood designs as far as I remember.
Not really any significance to them, I'd imagine, other than for easy identification during gameplay.
jaunty latch
One thing is clear flood forms have different roles increasing the infection
And these flood can easily look very different depending on the biomass consumption and species involved
That’s my explanation and why they have orange cyst
Of*
Have you consider the animals and the environment
stable schooner
You know it’s gonna bother me forever now that Noble Tell Halsey the Elites had Zealot Shield Strength knowing now it’s the same as Ultra Shield Strength meaning that’s not actually helpful.
versed helm
I actually have the "Tales from Slipspace" book checked out from the library, and from the looks on how the Combat form turned into a carrier form took a few days.
versed helm
@stable schooner It was just something supplementary of note, in defense of Jorge's claims that their armor configuration matched. Not too outstanding on it's own - especially given how over-shield generator modules can be fitted on any combat harness that are far greater in protection anyways
stable schooner
I mean I get ya but again that doesn’t actually help specify things lol
stable schooner
Cause multiple other Elite types could have the same Shield Strength and actually do
versed helm
I believe he's 7'4? In armor? Maybe a couple inches more
@stable schooner Shield strength isn't as concrete as what you would expect sometimes. There are times in certain novels where even Majors can be fitted with a module that can resist 50mm railgun autocannon bursts, but then again that isn't common
And was a very controlled example of such
stable schooner
I mean that doesn’t change the fact the Zealots factually statically have identical shields to Ultras in Reach
versed helm
True. I still cringe at the ending scene of Ultras going down to... 8? AR rounds before dying
Given even lower ranks have taken 5 times that in certain books
stable schooner
Hey at least that Ultra got 6 to the ground. F to the Elites in Halo Wars
versed helm
Energy shields don't seem to exist in Blur's interpretation of the universe 🤷
Ooh, yeah the monsters cutscene. Eh, there are even worse examples like in Halo 4 Spartan Ops
It's always been weird.
Except on vehicles, for some reason XD
where you would last expect them to be
I guess you're supposed to assume that every time you see someone get killed in a Blur cutscene who should have an energy shield, it was previously depleted.
stable schooner
Osiris killing Madamas Zealots would be the only as bad humiliation Elite Stomp I can think of lol
wintry coral
Lol those Zealots had no clue what they were doing
versed helm
@versed helm It's been loosely explained in novels that shipboard harnesses don't possess shielding and are more of a thin, ceremonial plate more than anything
else
I am aware.
But none of the instances we're discussing feature shipboard armour.
Mm. I can appreciate the effort to justify it on their end, though
@versed helm Well, Jerome's boarding scene was on the Enduring Conviction
stable schooner
You would think Thel they would try to use their Active Camo every 343 Zealot is equipped with and not fall off a cliff
versed helm
I assume that if they were supposed to be wearing something else, they wouldn't be wearing what is clearly regular battle harness.
In my eyes, what you're referring isn't intended as an explanation for that.
it's just an answer to the question "what do elites wear when they're not decked out for battle?"
What's their equivalent of a general duty uniform.
The lack of energy shields in blur cutscenes is just standard fiction being inconsistent.
Fair enough
Like space distances, really.
Halo space battles occur at phenomenal distances and velocities in space, but visual descriptions subscribe to the standard trope of extreme close-range knife-fights.
Just different interpretations of the universe, trying to show different things in different ways.
All fiction's the same. Wishy-washy.
stable schooner
Also I find it funny the first Halo Wars Flood Mission has the first and only encounter of Brutes deployed but the opening Cutscene has a infected Elite
versed helm
Hey, it does a better job than Star Wars lol. I can recollect many scenes where their combat distance is at least 10 ship-lengths
compared to.. jeez, maybe half again of the length of the vessels
Ooh, also there are times where point-defence fires out of the planet's atmosphere
sonic ridge
Whydid the covenant go from using the U shaped troop ships in ce to the phantoms?
carmine sleet
They didn't stop using the Spirits after CE, they have multiple types of dropships they use to deploy troops
carmine sleet
They just don't appear in Halo 2 or 3
Spirits do appear in Halo Wars, Halo Reach, Halo 5 and Halo Wars 2 as vehicles used by the Covenant and Banished
carmine sleet
There's a couple that appear on Sanghelios and then they also appear in Warzone as well
sonic ridge
Alright
stoic hamlet
Just because we don’t see something in a game doesn’t mean it no longer exists or is used.
carmine sleet
Indeed
sonic ridge
The skirmishes were only in one game afaik and they went extinct according to Bungie
Are spectres still used
carmine sleet
Skirmishers are not extinct, that's been confirmed by 343i
And Spectres are still used, we just haven't seen them
sonic ridge
Okay
If we haven’t seen spectres at all for a while how do you know they’re still used
carmine sleet
A Spectre has appeared in Halo Esclation, which is set after Halo 4
sonic ridge
Alright
sonic ridge
If skirmishers aren’t extinct in lore now how come we don’t see em
Since the jackals still are like against humans it seems
I’ve not seen any friendly jackals
carmine sleet
We don't see them in game but they do exist within the lore
stoic hamlet
So like, actually think for a second here
You’re telling me an entire species all the men, all the women, all the children, can go extinct after one battle?
Like, you have to realize that’s not logical
carmine sleet
If they were a race that had yet to achieve space travel and the Covenant had come along and glassed their planet, I'd buy that they're extinct, but that isn't the case and there's even canon examples of Shirmishers running about and doing stuff post-Reach
stoic hamlet
I could buy that as well
But they were the aggressors
They invaded Reach
That’s what I mean
It’s literally impossible
stoic hamlet
^
fresh quartz
Hello
carmine sleet
Do you mean their helmets having night vision functionality like in Reach or their eyes being able to see in the dark?
signal musk
To my knowledge, all Spartans have VISR in their suits; effectively night vision
humble yacht
VISR is more than nightvision
humble yacht
Because the games were designed to be more light games
stoic hamlet
^
humble yacht
Also, while TFoR was published before Halo CE launched, it was written in just a few months so most (if not all) of the narrative for the game was decided by that point
I don’t think nylund consulted with Bungie for the novel, either
feral perch
Halo 4 got rid of the flashlight entirely.
carmine sleet
And then it came back as a scripted moment in Halo 5
carmine sleet
Halo 3 does have one, it's just not really needed. Reach had night vision instead, which was only really needed for the Zealot encounter on Winter Contingency
feral perch
Night vision is helpful for most of Nightfall, too.
carmine sleet
I never felt it was needed on Nightfall
stoic hamlet
It can help but it isn’t really needed, yeah
full forge
They're much more loose when you put them on, but they apparently tighten themself somehow.
They tighten themself to the point where they're touching your skin, and cycle the temperature to be exactly the same as your skin.
So it feels like you're not even wearing it.
sonic ridge
Who’s mahkee
carmine sleet
An Elite
sonic ridge
Yea but are they someone important or just one of the arbiters warriors
And I think they say mahkee is female
carmine sleet
She is and she is a ship-mistress, so she is quite important. Shame we only got her on the coms, would've been nice to meet her in person in Halo 5
carmine sleet
It is
sonic ridge
I thought she was british in the book tbh
carmine sleet
I don't believe they ever said she was
sonic ridge
No I just assumed it
sonic ridge
Ye they got a spirit right here
remote spruce
what are gold hunters called in ODST?
unique rune
I don't think there's any special name or rank for the gold armored ones.
stoic hamlet
I always just called them hunter elites
But I don’t believe there’s a specific name for them
carmine sleet
Be strange for civilians to be carrying around heavy ordnance and in a warzone intentionally