And would the Flood defeat them in a war?
#lore-and-universe
feral perch
It is physical in a way.
It has actual power repercussions for serious practitioners.
They grow stronger from killing.
That is a fascinating idea.
terse lava
Can't guardians only br revived via the ghost
terse lava
I guess that would be space magic Versus space magic
Has the darkness even been shown to be a single entity
Lovely
So great mind
Gravemind
sacred dew
Haaa no
terse lava
Did get flood vibes from that
sacred dew
Can the taken destroy solar systems
No the vex can't only limited time travel and oryx's planet busting ship was an ocp
terse lava
Except the fallen, b team covenant
Kinda feel bad for the covenant
Er fallen cough cough
gilded mason
Fallen are cute boys
sacred dew
The flood warped reality to the point sunlight was hostile to armoured forerunners and stopped them from entering slipspace
terse lava
Yea...but originally started this with the covenant, not uber flood
We enter that arena, no one wins
sacred dew
Slientium bornstellar notes the flood is messing with space to the point the galaxy don't want in it but they were using star roads
terse lava
Yea but those wizards can be killed via dead ghost
sacred dew
Oh and star roads are indestructible aside from the halo effect
terse lava
Do the covenant have to zerg rush? Joy
terse lava
Wouldn't it melt with enough firepower
gilded mason
Plasma on the other hand would leave a ghost relatively intact
Why's that?
sacred dew
Now durable is a ghost
terse lava
I know one yet zapped by a fallen beam rifle like weapon
sacred dew
Tell that to Cade's ghost
terse lava
Yep
gilded mason
Cayde
gilded mason
Well considering how plasma does leave some major burns
More like holes.
feral perch
Ghosts cannot be destroyed by normal weaponry.
terse lava
Hm how about this then
feral perch
They must be targeted by something with the power of the Darkness.
terse lava
The covenant vs cabal on mars
sacred dew
Yes they can during the taken King some were killed by an airstrike
Well most are killed in an airstrike
terse lava
Hm, always figured your average cabal had l had brute to hunter strength
sacred dew
The strike craft? , the jets
terse lava
That's just sad
sacred dew
They can also die to regular bullets chicken scene
terse lava
Dropsjop support when needed, orbiting fleet of particular justice. And as a reward get a forerunner artifact the hive have
Only familiar with d1
sacred dew
Bombardment for the win
sacred dew
Not like they can harm the ship
terse lava
Can't think of a good crota balance
sacred dew
Can they?
sacred dew
Through shields
terse lava
He's asking if they can
sacred dew
Block the teleportation
Need to prove they can go through shields
Ahhhh good op destiny
Ol
terse lava
Yes
sacred dew
Yes but we don't know if they were up
terse lava
They were
sacred dew
Or if forerunners teleportation can bypass it
terse lava
Well can hive rake on sangheili
Take
Really? Looked pretty weak when I bashed their brains in
Lousy magic
sacred dew
They use slipspace which is like 11 dimensions compressed into 1 for teleportation
terse lava
Maybe I should go back to covenant vs cabal
sacred dew
How strong are the weapons look at star wars the energy weapons in it suck
versed helm
A team of Spartans could defeat liberty prime
terse lava
Depends on weps
sacred dew
Because one shot from a plasma rifle takes your arm off and that's being Lucky
versed helm
If you look at the whole halo series, the Spartans do a lot of stuff that makes liberty prime look like a pile of crap
Excuse my grammar
Have you ever noticed in the master chief collection that starting from halo 1 and ending in halo 4 technology seems to decrease.
Not literally
I mean like they nerfed stuff
humble yacht
Humans have lasers and mechs in halo 4
versed helm
Like the tanks in CE compared to 4
versed helm
You barely tap someone and they go flying across the map in CE
sacred dew
Spartan uses camouflage sneaks onto roboboi plants a nuke runs and win
humble yacht
That’s because of faulty physics engine
sacred dew
Then use the RPG
versed helm
So are we still discussing destroying liberty prime or what
And no the single nuke won’t detonate the other nukes
It could
But it’s a 50/50
And it depends if it’s a fission bomb or a fusion bomb
terse lava
Maybe?
humble yacht
Just have Cortana hack it and shut it down
versed helm
If chief could take down a fleet of covenant than a team of Spartans can take down liberty prime
terse lava
No Cortana here
versed helm
And we have seen what a team of Spartans can do
terse lava
Just a team of humanity's finesy
versed helm
Halo reach for example
sacred dew
Do they get the bomb the size of a hand that can level skyscrapers
versed helm
Richard, that’s called a nuke
terse lava
Just rockets and chaingun
humble yacht
Can fallout power armor survive a Liberty Nuke?
versed helm
And also they have some advanced technology but also some stuff they don’t have from modern day
terse lava
Think so
humble yacht
Then mjolnir would be fine
sacred dew
Sabotage or the RPG to the head it's there only hope
terse lava
You do find it laying aroynd
versed helm
Chimera, it depends on what the impact is
If we are talking about real life then hell no
If it’s in game then it’s a yes
humble yacht
Because it’s a game
sacred dew
What scale nuke kiloton or megaton
versed helm
The impact from liberty primes nuke (not the explosion) would have enough force and weight to completely destroy a X-01 power armor
And then if we added the explosion
There would be almost nothing left of it
sacred dew
Also the force or heat
versed helm
And the nukes for liberty prime are basically just mini nukes in a giant chassi
It’s a huge waste of materials and space
If you look at fallout the explosions were a bit bigger than mini nukes
But only a little bit
sacred dew
If it was any bigger u the player would be dead
versed helm
At that point it was more of a nerfed ballistic missile
Yes but we are talking about a real life scenario
No he was
sacred dew
One kiloton would destroy the area
versed helm
In fallout 4 you raid a nuclear silo. Bethesda can’t get their facts straight so all the nukes (like I said) were nerfed ballistic missiles
Also, the nukes in fallout 4 that actually landed in the common wealth would have literally destroyed the whole map
There is probably no lore to the nuke chucking it’s just something to balance the game
Yes, but there were several craters in the commonwealth
One of them next to the BoS police station
We technically didn’t nuke them
subtle depot
The crater near the police station is from some other impact. The only nuclear detonation in the commonwealth is in the glowing sea
versed helm
We cause the nuclear reactor to have a meltdown by destroying the things that held it together and the elements (I forgot, I think it was Uranium and something else) collided.
It was like Chernobyl
But purposeful
stable schooner
Breh Bethesda isn’t even consistent with their own fallout Games don’t expect it to make sense lol
Jet, X0-1, Enclave so many Retcons
versed helm
And the X-02 is just hellfire with the X-01 chest and shoulder plates with a bunch of tubes connected to the helmet
feral perch
I just saw a new HaloFollower video thumbnail. It asked "Will Noble 6 be alive in Halo Infinite?"
gilded mason
hmmmmm
feral perch
tinfoil hat time
gilded mason
Why is he still around
feral perch
Casuals.
unique rune
I’m so glad YT doesn’t recommend HF videos to me anymore
stable schooner
Literally was about to post that myself Ost. Clickbait in my feed all the time from him
feral perch
Wow, I opened his channel to see his sub count (600k) and the video I was greeted with... well...
terse lava
Hm?
versed helm
I don’t think noble six should be around in halo infinite because it would just ruin the heroic ending from reach
terse lava
He's nothing but a burnt smudge
stable schooner
😑
terse lava
I feel that's a reference but I can.only think of the incredibles
stable schooner
I haven’t clicked on a Halo Follower Vid in 8 months but I always get something like “how 300 Spartans died in one day” in my recommended
Harvest seemed worst imo as fights go
full forge
300 spartans in one day sounds like Operations Torpedo, or Prometheus
full forge
Fair
stoic hamlet
Also, Torpedo was a fluke
stoic hamlet
If things had gone to plan (The cruisers hadn’t been there) maybe at most a dozen would have died, and likely only from the drop, not from combat.
full forge
Yup.
stoic hamlet
Beta were winning even with the reinforcements from the cruisers. Had they not started glassing, they likely could have still won in a conventional battle.
The actual factory garrison routed at the sight of them.
full forge
To my knowledge, no spartan company has ever actually been wiped out
full forge
Or classified as spartans
stoic hamlet
It’s a retroactive classification but yeah
full forge
If Johnson wasn't dead that wouldn't be the case for Orion II ;-;
stoic hamlet
I mean, we don’t know if other ORIONS are still alive
full forge
They are dead. ONI saw to that. Unless I'm wrong
full forge
Debatable.
stoic hamlet
They’ve executed loose ends before, but only if they pose a threat/are fully enemy combatants
The Servants of the Abiding Truth, as an example.
stoic hamlet
And yet we have Johnson.
We don’t know if he’s the only outlier
full forge
To my knowledge.
stoic hamlet
If all ORIONS are a threat because of the breakdown, why not kill Johnson?
full forge
Good question.
stoic hamlet
ONI wouldn’t take the risk if here was one
It’s the same response whenever someone says ONI would execute the Gammas
full forge
I could be wrong of course, I can't even remember where I heard of that.
stoic hamlet
They obviously keep some around
If they were really a threat, they wouldn’t keep any alive
/would find a way to keep them out of the spotlight
full forge
ONI isn't pure evil, nor good. Pure, unflinching pragmatism.
stoic hamlet
Yep
They do what they think is beat for the species
Executing valuable assets doesn’t help anyone.
full forge
Unless there's a CO who's lost his marbles ofc
full forge
Whoever that guy who's handling Rion Forge, he's a total gibbon.
stoic hamlet
He’s not the best
full forge
I'll get her to cooperate by talking about her father and dead love interest! And then I'll confiscate everything she holds dear.
stoic hamlet
I did like one of his quotes to her though, where she asks why he’s out there, still trying to screw over Covenant remnants. She says “the war is over”
But his response is basically ONI summed up in a sentence:
“The war isn’t over, as long as even one of them has even the thought of finishing what they started it’ll never be over.”
And I mean, he isn’t wrong.
We know of what, 2 colonies glassed post war by Covenant remnants?
full forge
You know who was one of the nastiest ONI AI?
full forge
'Dying is what Spartan Threes do best.'
stoic hamlet
Ah, the filter got ya
sonic ridge
Where were all the other Spartans between ce and 3
terse lava
On other missions
sacred dew
Blue team were stuck on reach until chief found them after ce and then they were recalled to onyx after operation first strike right before halo 2 and during halo 3 ghost of onyx happened
sonic ridge
Were they the only Spartans left at all
versed helm
Well, grey and black were still around at the time, but both were off the grid.
It seems like most or nearly all of the MJOLNIR-armed Spartan IIIs may have gone down with Reach, drawn to the same rallypoint as Six was and killed by crack Covenant troops.
Though there's really no way to sure. Evidently Owen and Hazel survived, so there may be more.
Obviously Red were still having their nap on the SoF.
HW2 seems to hint that some of the Spartans of Omega Group might somehow be alive, but it's not a sure thing.
Though Omega are some of the most likely to have survived, from a practical standpoint. Omega team was a flexible (I think) roster of Spartan IIs who were kept as a quick-response force in order to help give the colonies stiffer resistance. They may not have been part of RED FLAG, or could've been too occupied fighting over another valuable inner colony to be recalled.
sonic ridge
Alright
versed helm
Aaaand there may also have been a couple of headhunters still roaming around.
Who knows.
sonic ridge
Oni might
versed helm
Well headhunter teams are still alive and well postwar as a... I guess manner of Spartan deployment?
Like there's SIV headhunters. So they survived in spirit.
sonic ridge
Yea
young mortar
Who knows
I don't but someone probably does
Ive no idea I didn't even know there was a black and grey team, I really need to brush up on my halo lore
sacred dew
They have a book thats all
young mortar
What's it called
sacred dew
For grey envoy and black bloodlines
stoic hamlet
Cole Protocol and Envoy for Grey
Blunt instruments and Bloodlines for Black
proud quail
grey and black team are special special SII teams iirc
stoic hamlet
Black team might have been washouts
stoic hamlet
Around two/three dozen yeah
What about Johnson?
Doesn’t seem like it
That phrasing is off
sonic ridge
When did Locke try to assassinate arbiter
proud quail
sometime during the post war, they didnt say i think
sonic ridge
Why tho
young mortar
You said that black team may have been washout so I said like Johnson cos wasn't he a washout as well
Or something
sonic ridge
If Sangheili and humans had a truce
proud quail
ONI wanted to cause dissention
sonic ridge
And arbiter was like the one who actually got that or whatever
stoic hamlet
He never tried to assassinate him
He recommended and volunteered for it during the war
sonic ridge
Oh
proud quail
oh there wasnt an attempt? mkay
young mortar
Plus would he be able to
stoic hamlet
I mean there was, just not by him
Probably tbh
If he can shoot him from range. Arbiter isn’t necessarily special
sacred dew
More like a prototype
stoic hamlet
Yep
proud quail
and no, Black Team would have had nothing to do with Johnson, Black Team were SII's
stoic hamlet
^
proud quail
im not sure about them being washouts though
one's missing an organic eyeball but i cant say for the other four
young mortar
Oh alright thanks cos multiple people have told me that Johnson was a washout
proud quail
i figured they were just meant to be the too-cool-for-school, timmy's first OC stage of bungie
proud quail
OH
you're talking about black team
lmao
i thought you went off to talk about the spartan generations and was hyper confused
young mortar
So just for clarification, Johnson was a SI not a washout
proud quail
i forgot black team identified by roman numerals for some reason
im telling you man, bungie was going through a stage
a very awkward one
sacred dew
Hey the monitor did trick Him and he did go a little insane
sacred dew
Weirder than the tentacle sentinels
proud quail
the what
stoic hamlet
Blue 1,2,3,4. Green 1,2,3,4, etc
proud quail
what
sacred dew
When the took two I was like somethings wrong
stoic hamlet
Honestly with context it isn’t really that obscene.
sacred dew
They had lasers that could kill wraiths
young mortar
Nani
sacred dew
Yes after two escaped she guts one and uses the laser to fight the monitor
sacred dew
The condor from hws2 why dakka that's why
young mortar
Good choice
sacred dew
No read the first issue when the took the elites one blow up the wraith
carmine sleet
Wasps aren't a direct upgrade or replacement, they're meant to be used alongside the Hornets
young mortar
Then why don't we see hornets then
vague scroll
We saw Hornets as recently as Halo 2A.
young mortar
Spartans have shields and yet UNSC ships don't, why is that
vague scroll
UNSC Ships have shields after the Covenant War.
However, its because Spartan shields were barely reverse-engineered versions of Sangheili energy shields and were very expensive to produce.
young mortar
Yeah but that's after why didn't they use them during the war
humble yacht
I thought they were reversed engineered from jackal shield gauntlets
vague scroll
whoops, you're right, I forget that tidbit from Fall of Reach. @humble yacht
They were just too expensive and complicated to reproduce on a massive scale. @young mortar
young mortar
Alright yeah that makes sense thanks
vague scroll
No problem.
sacred dew
Can I send proof they have lasers
sacred dew
How do u send image's
vague scroll
@versed helm gravity drive
@sacred dew yeah, the UNSC had lasers but only ONI mostly
neural physics is a mind power thing that affects space time, gravity drives just create artificial gravity
its used on most Covenant ground vehicles
and air vehicles
humble yacht
In halo 4 Infinity looks like it has lasers, but other lore says it has twin super macs
sacred dew
Ehhh I don't know if I can ok I went on readcomics
vague scroll
They're just MACs, the rounds hit at such high velocities, they might as well be melting their target on impact due to the acceleration creating an excess of heat.
tiny harness
I am pretty sure Neural Physics has not been used by anyone in the present timeline except if you count using the domain or composers.
They shouldn't do that at high velocity
they would explode on contact
vague scroll
yeah but so far only the Flood and Precursors have really shown any capability to use neural physics.
@tiny harness the domain uses neural physics, the Composer does not.
tiny harness
It does "The Composer is one of the few non-Precursor devices that exploit neural physics, the peculiar science of that most ancient of species which defied Forerunner understanding, even after millions of years of study."
humble yacht
Lol
vague scroll
We do know that Forerunners have gone through several dark ages so Composers are as they say, a lost technology of a time when Forerunners were even more advanced than their versions from the Flood War.
humble yacht
Hm?
tiny harness
To me if it in someways involves something that can be called a soul I would attribute it to neural physics. Not really I think the composers are recent
humble yacht
Composers were invented just before the flood war
barren niche
They thought composing the infected and then putting the composed being into a clone would cure the flood. It didn’t.
vague scroll
I'm referring to the particular science used to make the Composers.
humble yacht
That was one way they tried to use composers, yes
barren niche
@humble yacht yep
vague scroll
The lost technology of it that they don't fully understand.
humble yacht
Well I wouldn’t call that “lost tech” any more than Infinity’s engines
The UNSC doesn’t fully understand forerunner propulsion systems
They just understood it enough to fit it on a ship
vague scroll
True enough
barren niche
They used some human engineering in the engines though.
So its a mix of human and forerunner
humble yacht
I bet a caveman could learn how to use a gun without understanding how it works
topaz spade
Doubt
tiny harness
It depends if its loaded and where its pointed
humble yacht
No pretty sure the Infinity engines are straight up forerunner
barren niche
@tiny harness true, because an unloaded gun would seem like a whole new item to a caveman
tiny harness
The where its aimed matters, since you can only fire it once if it is aimed somewhere sensitive
humble yacht
Ok maybe it would take a few cavemen to account for accidents
vague scroll
The Infinity's engine is human, the Slipspace drive appears to be Forerunner in origin.
humble yacht
Point is, they could learn how to point and shoot without having to understand combustion and stuff
topaz spade
I can't wait until the infinity is destroyed
humble yacht
Ok sure let’s go with the slip space drive
tiny harness
Yeah forerunner translight engine and sublight engine is human.
humble yacht
Infinity will probably live on forever
topaz spade
Too op
tiny harness
The forerunner part probably
topaz spade
I don't like it when the good guys win easily
vague scroll
It's not OP, it got disabled by a Covenant energy emitter in one shot.
humble yacht
Not fully disabled
topaz spade
It also rammed a cruiser like it was nothing
humble yacht
But it couldn’t leave requiem
vague scroll
https://www.halopedia.org/File:Infinity_attacked...._by_a_third_time.jpg
Covenant weapon station.
topaz spade
Infinity is op
vague scroll
Different encounter @humble yacht
topaz spade
Needs nerf
humble yacht
Oh. That just looks like it took some damage
vague scroll
It was taken out of the fight for a while.
vague scroll
During the Covenant War, a weapon like that would have gutted a regular UNSC warship, it's just a natural progression of UNSC technology post-War.
Having energy shields for the Infinity likely helped.
On that note, I expect the UNSC Infinity or some UNSC warship to crash in Halo Infinite, its kind of become a running tradition in Halo games.
topaz spade
vague scroll
Yeah a CAS probably could do the same thing Method
topaz spade
Doubt
humble yacht
Didn’t they just come out of slipspace at that moment too?
topaz spade
Too op
vague scroll
@humble yacht yeah
You don't make a very strong argument in you keep saying "doubt" or "too op"
it weakens your argument in all honesty
And the Infinity hasn't won easily - I don't think there's a single example where its won in a way that constitutes "overpowered".
It was designed as a military vehicle but its original mission was to be a sort of ark for the survivors of Humanity if the Covenant ever glassed Earth.
Similar to Battlestar Galactica.
probably just as strong as any UNSC warship
we see a similar maneuver performed by the Spirit of Fire in Halo Wars but didn't do a head on maneuver leading to sizable external damage. Note that the ship was still fully functional so there's no reason to believe that UNSC ships aren't incapable of ramming Covenant warships and surviving just fine.
Keyes also did something similar with his destroyer, the Iroquois, in the Halo comics but it was disabled I believe.
It was also originally a colony ship, not a warship.
something like that I think, its usually dependent on where a vessel gets hit that damages like that occur.
So, the fact that it survived so well suggests more modern UNSC ships are likely tougher
topaz spade
I mean the infinity can also hold 10 frigates aswell
Macs capable of punching through The mantels approach
Op
vague scroll
they're the newest MACs in the fleet, its the UNSC's most powerful warship, the Chief paved the way for it to bypass its shields and get close, the UNSC only have one, and its been disabled in combat at least three times.
topaz spade
I just don't like the idea of the humanity not being vulnerable
vague scroll
Guess what? Humanity is vulnerable again. The galaxy's Created have arrived to bring about a new age of prosperity under the fist of the Mantle of Responsibility.
Or as Halo: Bad Blood said it, "We already lost the war, now its time for rebellion."
vague scroll
Then you probably won't like the Punic.
They've been in service since the Insurrection.
topaz spade
Still 1,500 metres short of the infinity
vague scroll
that's a drop in the bucket tbh
humble yacht
Infinity may be a powerful ship but it’s not like it allows the UNSC to rule the galaxy
barren niche
I view the Infinity as a way to show how powerful Humanity has become after the Human-Covenant war, from a narrative standpoint. In Universe it seems like it does two things. 1. It is a flex of power by the UNSC 2. It fills a role for the Navy, being self-sufficient enough to go on long campaign
full forge
UNSC Infinity: Big flex
sacred dew
Actually it was an ark they just straped forerunner tech To it
barren niche
I'm not seeing anything that confirms that on the wiki.
carmine sleet
The Infinity was not meant as an ark
It was meant as humanity's last resort against the Covenant
vague scroll
ark in a way of like "noah's ark"
carmine sleet
It was then re-purposed in the post war for what it's used for now, serving as a flagship and helping with locating Forerunner artefacts
humble yacht
The key difference between the infinity and a traditional “ark” was that infinity was primarily designed as the ultimate warship. Yes it would also functioned as a mobile home for the remainder of the UNSC, assuming they lost earth, but we have no idea what the long term plan would have been for infinity had earth fallen
barren niche
Yeah, now it is suppose to serve as a vessel for exploration and peace. Which kinda gives me same vibes as the Empire from Star Wars.
carmine sleet
I wouldn't say it gave me vibes of the Empire, who were very much more about oppressing those who disagreed with them with extreme force
barren niche
Yeah, its main goal it to find the remaining Halo Rings.
carmine sleet
It is
obsidian thistle
I do hope at least 1 Punic survived the War. Or 1 was repurposed/rebuilt (or used to make a new ship) by another faction.
barren niche
Was that one of those refitted sips, like the Pillar of Autumn?
terse lava
Dont think ao6
So
Although I thought they were built to.fight larger covenant capital ships 1 on 1
safe siren
Question: From the wildlife eliminated across the games, only the Blind Wolf, the Tusk Beast, the Porcupine, the Squirrel, the Olfmeri and the Thorned Beast are canon, right?
barren niche
Don’t forget Ostriches.
safe siren
The ones in Reach?
safe siren
Those are in the game, i was talking about the animals that were supposed to be in-game but got removed
stoic hamlet
Also Zebras
sonic ridge
We’re Thel and Rtas alright with each other before ce
sacred dew
Nope
stoic hamlet
They didn’t know one another
sonic ridge
Okay
gilded mason
Though I mean, Rtas was in the Fleet of Particular Justice under Thel. And they've spoken amicably to each other at least once before - in the Last Voyage of the Infinite Succor.
So I imagine Thel would give mission briefings, or the like, to him at not-uncommon times.
carmine sleet
Likely one of the S-IIs
It's possible an Orion 1 Soldier could be active but I think that's very unlikely
He was in his 70s
And I was just saying which generation was most likely to have the oldest active Spartan
terse lava
@gilded masonkind of makes me wonder if the lower ranked commando from the h2A terminal was Vadumee before he joined thel's fleet
gilded mason
Which terminal?
terse lava
One moment
Beholden
Where the covenant team find the luminary that is given to regret that leads him to Earth
last anchor
Im just hoping when this stuff with the Created is over the Infinity gets a Death Star-like Forerunner gun that lets it gut planets.
gilded mason
Just watched it. He seems to have too different a personality to be Rtas.
Im just hoping when this stuff with the Created is over the Infinity gets a Death Star-like Forerunner gun that lets it gut planets.
or maybe after the Infinity gets destroyed in Infinite, the UNSC and SoS create a joint ship of unity where they can hold hands all the time. 🙂
stable schooner
Lol When it’s not even Zealots sent to find the Luminary in the Terminal. Take that Reach Propaganda.
stable schooner
Also wouldn’t Rtas be at High Charity at the time
gilded mason
This is 2551, so who knows.
stable schooner
True
terse lava
I always figured that was him a year prior because the voice sound Similar
Plus it just seemed rather odd to have this random covenant team introduced out of nowhere
stable schooner
Agreed
carmine sleet
Aye, the team itself ain't important, the Luminary is
terse lava
Fair enough
Quick question for everyone do you think ancient humanity was a good idea to add to Halo?
gilded mason
Nah, I thought it was kinda silly.
deep pewter
Which part of ancient humanity?
stable schooner
I’m ehh on it. I mean other then to justify the Didacts hate it wasn’t really necessary imo
I personally did not enjoy Humans being shoved into the Foreunner Flood War Lore
deep pewter
It makes the artifact in 3 make more sense at least
terse lava
@deep pewterjust the civilization in general
stable schooner
What do you mean by Artifact Nathan? The portal to the Ark?
terse lava
@stable schoonerdoes also add a reason for reclaimer status
deep pewter
Yeah, the portal to the ark
feral perch
I actually would like it if Forerunners were ancient humans, as they were in Bungie's original intentions. With that said, I know I'm in the minority there.
gilded mason
Though that was also explained in the Halo 3 terminals, I think.
The Librarian found the humans and really liked them, or something
deep pewter
Bungies intentions for the forerunners is incredibly muddy, with 3 terminals giving legitimacy to the idea that Forerunners were their own species
stable schooner
I mean entering a Galactic war with the Foreunners doesn’t really explain that Ado and the Portal is explained in the Terminals I’m pretty sure
feral perch
I think during CE and part of 2, they were ancient humans.
deep pewter
Ancient humanity does though, why would earth have had a portal to the ark otherwise?
terse lava
No no I meant the fact that humanity once had a space faring civilization and are chosen by the precursors made more sense for the reclaimers status rather than just being a random species the librarian liked
@feral perchtrue but bungie went and changed it
terse lava
Yea
gilded mason
I heard this thought once before about an alternate Human-Forerunner connection:
You could still have stuff like the Forerunners' mutations and whatnot, just establish that yeah, they're definitely descended from the same common ancestor as humans instead of them being kind of like humans, only not.
Imagine a civilization existing for thousands or millions of years, never knowing where it came from or how it got here. And in their last moments, the link to their ancient homeworld is found. There's no time to celebrate, only enough time to index the Humans so that they might start over after the Halo array is fired.```That was more interesting imo but ah well
terse lava
@gilded masondidnt primordium in a way confirm that
signal musk
Isn’t it implied that the Precursors created the races we know today, so that’s actually probably close to what happened?
gilded mason
Not that I'm aware of?
terse lava
Primordial did state at the very least implied that humanity and For runners used to be one race
robust plover
The precursors created almost all life in the galaxy
gilded mason
This is more along the lines of:
Some humans were plucked from Earth
Groomed to be super advanced
Earth humans left to go about advancement naturally and slowly
Librarian discovers "fellow humans" near the end of days
She decides to do a good deed for her fellows that never got the privilege she had
stable schooner
Humans actually being Forerunner would have made the whole Human Covenant War a lot more ironic.
gilded mason
So sorta the same in that Precursors made "Forerunners" and "humans" but more explicit in that they were once one and the same
signal musk
@stable schooner I feel the whole “humans are chosen as the ‘caretakers of all the forerunners left behind’” thing fulfilled that, maybe in a more subtle way
gilded mason
Though that whole Reclaimer thing to begin with was pretty foolhardy of her.
feral perch
I suppose without that, there would be no Covenant War.
gilded mason
Yeah.
stable schooner
Doesn’t fill it as good as “you are Forerunner” imo
feral perch
Guilty Spark felt that certain humans, like Chief, were essentially Forerunner.
stable schooner
I know I’m not asking why
feral perch
I didn't mean it that way.
stable schooner
I’m saying I prefer if he actually was a Foreunner if Ancient Humans were actually Foreunners
feral perch
right
stable schooner
Fav line from Guilty Spark by the way love him
feral perch
"I am a genius."
terse lava
I just find it weird that in the Halo 3 setting of Forerunners and humans bean different species and one being very primitive completely Ludicrous.
gilded mason
Hm?
feral perch
Ancient humans weren't primitive naturally at that point. They were devolved by the Forerunners.
terse lava
Not in the halal 3 setting
stable schooner
Why Humans got reseeded like all the other races. I mean being favored by the Librarian is still a thing
terse lava
My point is why Were they favored in the setting of Halo 3
gilded mason
Because the Librarian was a creep.
terse lava
It was before the idea of an advanced ancient human race
feral perch
Yeah. Well, that's retconned now, and inconsistencies are explained away by the unreliable narrator that is a fragment of MB.
stable schooner
The Prophets were a advanced race to but they got bamboozled. I mean humans were the closest to the Foreunners always in the lore so I don’t know ask the Librarian.
terse lava
@feral perchyea it was retconned, just trti g yo understand bungie's logic
feral perch
bungie's logic is cool factor
stable schooner
Summed up pretty well except in Halo 2 the lore side of Bungie got more of a input in the game
gilded mason
If only Staten got to write Halo 3. 😥
feral perch
the Arbiter's story is the best part of the original trilogy, hands down, imo
terse lava
Indeed
stable schooner
😔
gilded mason
the Arbiter's story is the best part of the original trilogy, hands down, imo
👌
terse lava
Agreed, arbiter was the only reason I enjoyed t hff e campaign
deep pewter
Easily the best character of the OG trilogy, and not just because he’s the only person that’s not trope-y as heck
terse lava
Well the whole thing was a redemption story for him
When you really think about it the chief had no real impact on the storyline
gilded mason
And through him, we got to experience the Covenant's viewpoint.
feral perch
Speaking of Arbiter's arc, I know a lot of people prefer Michael Wincott as the Prophet of Truth - myself included - but I can't quite imagine him saying the lines in Halo 3, especially the ones during his final moment.
terse lava
Well that was simply because they had to change the tire personality
I really hate auto correct…
feral perch
Terrence Stamp made a good performance with the material he was given.
gilded mason
Yeah, his character's new personality doesn't really match his previous calculating voice
stable schooner
Arbiter plus the Whole Covenant side of things puts Halo 2 Story as my favorite
gilded mason
Ye
feral perch
I like the idea that Truth threw himself into his fanaticism. Although, in Halo 2, I find myself wondering if that particular version really believed everything he was preaching.
Like, I could see him knowing what Halo rings actually do, and activating them anyway because he wanted to have all the power until the very end.
deep pewter
3s story really makes no sense when you sit down and think about it
feral perch
Actually, re-watching the penultimate cutscene on The Covenant, Truth says "that secret dies with all the rest."
emphasis on the word "dies." Did he know what the rings actually do...?
gilded mason
I think Looters talked about it before, in that, yeah, he knew the deal for a while.
feral perch
It's difficult to tell what's a facade and what's a glimpse at his actual schemes
gilded mason
I mean, all the monitors were labeled as useless by the covenant
When was this?
You talkin' about Flood-ified Regret acting insane?
stable schooner
Yeah bad example Donk lol
gilded mason
Cause those were his personal opinions after a lot of stuff happened to him. And currently happening.
Yeah, they believed Spark readily.
stable schooner
Mercy definitely treated Spark with Respect when Arbiter was in his presence
Probably why Tartarus shot Spark with the stasis field when he arrived to collect him, so only the Prophets can actually listen to the Oracles
My Brute Tartarus Though hears the Truth from a Oracle and Still loyal to the main man Truth.
Also I gotta say Halo 2 Arbiter > Halo 3 Arbiter. Tartarus shouldn’t have been killed off. He was important part of the Covenants character that was gone in 3
gilded mason
Also I gotta say Halo 2 Arbiter > Halo 3 Arbiter
Considering Halo 3 Arbiter was barely a character, yeah.
stable schooner
I know it’s sad rule of Cool won its way with Halo 3
terse lava
I wonder how the great schism would have been had Tartarus complied with the arbiter
gilded mason
A lot of Brutes might've fallen in line with Tartarus, leaving Truth with almost nothing, probably
stable schooner
Well Truths Fleet was already gone but it means Tartarus could have rallied the Brute fleets around High Charity to the Separatists cause
gilded mason
Well Truths Fleet was already gone
Oh yeah
Wait, actually-
Once Tartarus and Thel arrived on Earth, he probably could've tried calling on the Brutes in Truth's fleet to cease following a "false prophet" or something along those lines.
Might at the very least cause a good amount of confusion
stable schooner
True but Truths Fleet was Brutes directly loyal to him
gilded mason
I suppose
vague scroll
There's always the chance that Tartarus believed Thel but decided to keep maintaining the lie, just like the Prophets when they came to power in 2525.
gilded mason
Though in this case, following the lie would directly lead to his own death, unlike in 2525
vague scroll
Doesn't mean he needs to activate Delta Halo.
gilded mason
In this case, he did do so.
vague scroll
Yeah but that's under the impression that he simply refused to believe. I'm just saying even if he did get convinced by Thel, doesn't mean he would have stood down.
gilded mason
Ah
stable schooner
I was going more of the lines of Arbiter spares him and 1. he goes to Truths side in 3 or 2. He joins the Arbiter
vague scroll
He could have still tried to kill Thel anyway because the Arbiter presents a continued threat to the Jiralhanae domination of the Covenant military.
Since the Brutes killed the Sangheili high council, Thel was already a potential leader figure in the new Sangheili faction. Eliminating him would be a tactically sound decision.
At least it would keep the Sangheili down for a time, while the Covenant regrouped under Truth's and Jiralhanae leadership.
stable schooner
They didn’t kill all the Sangheili High Council But him getting shamed by Arbiter by being spared and then going to Truths side in 3 but Finally gets redeemed during the Ark would be the perfect thing for me
vague scroll
Given Tartarus already tried to kill Thel once, I don't think Thel would give him a second chance.
stable schooner
Thel didn’t really show any signs of anger though just sadness
vague scroll
that's a fair assessment
stable schooner
Otherwise he wouldn’t have said “Tartarus the Prophets have betrayed us”
Imo anyways
vague scroll
yeah, there are a couple what ifs at play here, its uncharted territory but I see where you're going with this
stable schooner
Really I think anything going with Tartarus being alive could have helped 3s Story
vague scroll
The lack of a central enemy character besides Truth who amounts to the villain monologuing in a chair while stroking his cat does leave the enemy boss roster in the game a little lacking since the Gravemind isn't much of a conversationalist either.
terse lava
Closest we had was that 1 chieftain that wants to dual the chief apparently he wanted to replace Tartarus
stable schooner
Lol that poor Chieftain who I didn’t even know was relevant cause I always killed him with a flame grenade or instant snipe
Also dang I just completely fanboy over most scenes with the Didact and Arbiter in Halo 2 and 4. The very weight of their words and scenes gets me every time.
sonic ridge
Does chief have an auto translate thing in his suit?
terse lava
Yes but no the live translation I believe is more gameplay where in Canon the covenant would speak and the translation would come a few seconds later
sonic ridge
Well as long as he has one
I wondered why suddenly all the covenant just spoke English
For a gameplay perspective I got it but not from lore
terse lava
Lore wise you would hear the covenant speak their language then the translation would come
sonic ridge
Cause in this book it says they use translators to communicate
I never really thought about them
I thought for some reason all of them just suddenly learnt English
stable schooner
Do you think they spoke English when fighting with Humans though
sonic ridge
Yea
terse lava
Well the covenant all spoke sangheili
sonic ridge
Taunting humans in their own language
terse lava
Yes some learned English
sonic ridge
I feel like the arbiter would have
stable schooner
I meant once the Elites sided with Humanity But English taunts I could see it
terse lava
A fleetmaster during the first. months of the war had everyone in his fleet learn it...except a san shyuum
terse lava
Typo
sonic ridge
Are those the prophets
gilded mason
Yes.
terse lava
Yes
sonic ridge
Okay
terse lava
Speaking of what do you think each Covenant race name truly is? All the ones we know are from sangheili
sonic ridge
These names aren’t even the proper names
stable schooner
So what did Truths Covenant in 3 speak then
terse lava
Still spoke sangheili
stable schooner
No dang way I refuse to believe it. I doubt the Brutes did very much
terse lava
Well sangheili was t he w de facto language of the covenant
stable schooner
Prophets could have spoke their native language and the Rest learned the Brutes language which I can’t spell
sonic ridge
Jhiranese
stable schooner
Dang Halo 3
terse lava
First years of the covenant's existing though they did use translators in their chairs to talk to sangheili
sonic ridge
In hunters in the dark they said it would take like years or months to get a ship to the ark, but then they get the guys back from zeta halo like instantly.
How’s that
gilded mason
Guess it depends on how far away Zeta Halo is. Because the Ark is way far away from the Milky Way.
sonic ridge
Thats reasonable yea
gilded mason
And 343 has said, to preempt messing travel times up, that certain routes can take longer or shorter times, even if the distance varies.
sonic ridge
Alright
stable schooner
When you feel sorry for ODSTs not getting the best toys but then you realize they get Spartan Lasers
sonic ridge
I think it took elite dangerous players like 4 months to leave the Milky Way if you can in it
gilded mason
You can literally look up in the sky on The Ark level to see the Milky Way in the distance
sonic ridge
Is that what he’s talking about?
“Hey look in the sky.”
“No way is that-“
I thought he was talking about the massive ship fight
Where’s the ark then
To be able to see the Milky Way good it’s gotta be pretty far
Boi
Look up in halo
You can see the like planet at the centre of the ark
gilded mason
Just a book painting, but basically what you see on The Ark:
https://www.halopedia.org/images/2/2a/Hunters_in_the_Dark_full_cover.jpg
Look at the top left
Hunters in the Dark, yes.
stable schooner
Breh donk you never knew that was our Galaxy. Even my Math failing seven year old self knew that
gilded mason
You're not missing much.
sonic ridge
It seems alright so far
If you’ve read any of the thanquol books it’s structured similar to that, with each chapter usually being from a different perspective.
Is it in the far side of andromeda
When did they wake up
gilded mason
It'd be impossible for them to simply drift to the Ark in that span
sonic ridge
Not drifting
gilded mason
They were brought through other means. But who knows when that will get revisitied.
sonic ridge
Someone would have to be moving it a good speed
terse lava
Mhmm
gilded mason
They mostly slept for 28 years.
terse lava
No clue
gilded mason
It would be physically impossible to get to the Ark from inside the galaxy using sublight speed in 28 years.
Which is why there's something else at play.
terse lava
Correct
gilded mason
Correct.
terse lava
Originally a colony ship
gilded mason
Because it did not drift.
Something else happened that we do not currently know of.
terse lava
Something brought it to the ark
sonic ridge
It was menedict Cumberbatch
vague scroll
its stated out right in the first cutscene of the game they arrived via Slipspace
even though they lacked their own Slipspace drive
gilded mason
Yes.
vague scroll
in a DLC
sonic ridge
But afaik ce was the first encounter humans had with flood
terse lava
They did on a shield world
vague scroll
and in the original one, yes
gilded mason
But afaik ce was the first encounter humans had with flood
As far as the current UNSC knew.
terse lava
The humans who fought the flood in halo wars were not around to report the flood
vague scroll
@sonic ridge Halo Wars is the first documented encounter with the Flood.
But Halo CE is the first proper encounter since the Spirit of Fire was MIA for the rest of the Covenant War.
sonic ridge
Okay
terse lava
More curious on when the covenant first fought the flood
sonic ridge
I would imagine a while ago
vague scroll
It's been suggested in lore that they've had previous encounters with the Flood before Etran Harborage.
terse lava
A Halo 5 Temple wraith description says that in the distant past zealots had the dubious responsibility of cleansing flood tainted relics
sonic ridge
I feel like they’ve fought them for a few hundred years at the very least
They seem to know a lot more about them
And how to fight them
They all already knew what the parasite was in halo 2s cutscene
I forget what he says but arbiters like there was nothing we could do once the parasite attacked
The covenant
gilded mason
As Ado said, the Temple Wraith description confirms this
sonic ridge
The fact that they basically spent hundreds of years searching for rings afaik
Yea
They would have found many forerunner places
I don’t even know what’s up with the guardian thing on Sanghelios
gilded mason
Not much to it. It's a Guardian left on Sanghelios.
gilded mason
Have you played Halo 5?
sonic ridge
Yes
gilded mason
It's where Guardians were introduced
sonic ridge
I haven’t played the campaign for a couple years and I didn’t really remember much from it because it was pretty forgettable
gilded mason
Basically, they were for policing 'lesser' civilizations
terse lava
Pretty much glorified robot cops
sonic ridge
Lmao
terse lava
Wonder if Cortana's plan would fail had the covenant been around
sonic ridge
What plan
Also am I reading hunter in the dark or the halopedia page on usze lmao
Good book so far, I think it does the multiple perspectives better than grey seer and temple of the serpent.
So far it gives different perspectives from people all in like the same boat kinda
terse lava
Yep it gets pretty good
terse lava
Define glass
Completed glass ball or just bombardments
Not on reach, only certain arras
I mean, if we went by old lore, the covenant were capable of fully glossing a world
terse lava
Centimeter
A world could become a literal giant snow globe
Old lore, yes, current lore yes...after many years
Like a decade or more
versed helm
Guardians are spoopy
terse lava
Ok?
remote spruce
hmm
imma say yes
dense barn
I wonder why kat got killed by a head shot with a NEEDLE RIFLE
cuz I didn't see her shields pop like dose anyone know what happend
fallow quest
It was from being lethally close to the glassing beam. The EMP from it dropped all their shields.
dense barn
I heard of that one but I never saw them pop like the animation like they have if acual gameplay
lunar condor
Idk if the EMP would pop the shield more so than literally turn off the shield generator
Tho im surprised that the shield generator somehow worked again after getting rekd by an emp
Afaik emps that dmg electronics usually do so by burning through the cables etc might just be misinformed tho
dense barn
never heard that one....
but ok that would kinda make sense in a way
I have also heard about it being a modified needle rifle
lunar condor
Well in reality i doubt that the thought that went behind the teams mind while creating that scene was "could this realistically be a thing?" It was more like "lets show in an artistic way that spartans are mortal and that they can also die at any moment"
warm ridge
@versed helm 90% of the time Spartan II's never know what happened to the people they trained together with, usually seperated and only occasionally see each other if the mission the UNSC/ONI puts them on has them see each other.
@lunar condor The way EMP's work in 2552 to electronics is probably very mild/barely affects the armor at all. If it truely affected the shield generator in any way at all, each Spartan suit would've locked up and they'd be trapped forever, suffering the glassing and more.
of course much stronger EMP's like the ones generated by Cortana's Forerunner guardians are still very well capable of eliminating practically the entire electronic infrastructure on parts of Earth.
versed helm
I'd assume virtually all gear has shielding from electromagnetic interference.
But when the term "EMP" is used in Halo, particularly referring to effects created by Forerunners weapons, oftentimes it's referring to more arcane things. Like the attenuation pulse of guardians.
I don't know nearly enough about real life life EMPs to say anything really useful, but it's probably not as simple as just throwing in EMP protection, you know?
humble yacht
Until the guardians, EMPs in Halo were highly unrealistic
versed helm
Plus, Mark V (B) was basically the earliest version of energy shielded MJOLNIR.
humble yacht
at least with the Guardians, the damage is lasting
versed helm
Preaching to the choir TBH, I think that plasma pistol nonsense is bad for both lore and gameplay
Disabling tanks and stuff I mean
Basically my perspective is that plasma weapons and EMPs have a variety of effects that situationally may or may not manifest on various bits of gear.
Maybe if you smacked a badly damaged tank right in something important with an overcharged bolt you could frazzle its systems, but I refuse to believe a grunt could just momentarily switch it off.
It would not be phenomena capable of manifesting regularly enough to really weaponize.
humble yacht
i wonder how the energy of an overcharged plasma bolt compares to a lightning strike
versed helm
Really, it depends.
The armour plates would be strong, I assume. Like real strong.
Given how much MJOLNIR weighs they're probably exceptionally dense.
In fact, hold on a second
"Inert, but highly resilient plates of metal-matrix composite and Titanium-A add substantial protection against kinetic and plasma weapons, and will erode under directed energy attack."
From the Field Manual
And Ghosts of Onyx has insurrectionists specially procuring extremely heavy anti-armour ammunition that is said to be suitable against light tanks.
But I assume a skilled marksman could cause some pain by directing shots into the softer areas of the armour. For GEN 1 Mark VI, at least, the undersuit's outermost surface is a layer of titanium-based nanocomposite. Presumably it's weaker than the plates.
That said, it's still going to be relatively tough.
Not sure about GEN 2, though. That techsuit is just light enough for Spartans to stroll around in without it being activated by a power source, but it's conceivable that it offers some form of protection and Spartans are happy to just walk around in extremely heavy clothes.
feral perch
Looters, Red Team’s experimental Mark IV was the earliest to have shields.
feral perch
Why?
versed helm
It was a floated explanation that doesn't hold true in modern media.
feral perch
Is there anything directly contradicting it?
versed helm
Not to my knowledge.
But believe what you want.
Personally, I think there's pretty good grounds not to accept it. It has been stated to be a gameplay thing, and 2531 is way too early for working energy shield prototypes to be field tested.
If there were energy shields that effectively just worked in 2531, then it would not be relatively new in 2551 and 2552.
Though the Mark IV Halopedia page insists that there were energy shield prototypes. Pretty dubious sources though.
feral perch
I don’t think the gameplay depiction is totally canon, but the concept could be. Perhaps the actual energy shields they had couldn’t recharge, or could only take one or two shots.
versed helm
Sure, why not shoot another bullet into the intent of TFoR
feral perch
That’s all the rage these days lol
versed helm
And then somehow continue to pretend like it's an incredibly true canonical source
obsidian thistle
Well, I'd say its pretty safe to say there was Shielding for 11 Spartans in February 2531
versed helm
If you have any respect for the introductory scene of Mark V in TFoR, I'd suggest that no Spartan II wore energy shielded armour prior to John.
feral perch
Yeah. I was reading about the Fall of Reach on Halopedia. Two distinct invasion forces attacked Reach before Chief and the other Spartans became aware of the Covenant.
Really Bungie?
versed helm
I'd suggest that Spartan IIIs did the field testing.
humble yacht
don't blame bungie, blame MS
versed helm
But if you don't care about propping up TFoR then anything goes, I guess.
I dunno where I stand.
humble yacht
I mean, really, there shouldn't be any blaming at all, but that would be an unrealistic expectation
feral perch
Halo: Reach takes place over a month. The novel’s Fall takes place in a day. Go figure.
obsidian thistle
Well if we keep it to that isolated 11 Spartans. Its possible to make it that none of "Blue team" and so on in TFOR has shields till around then.
feral perch
that’s not what I meant lol
versed helm
From my perspective, the idea that Spartans could be so isolated from one another over a 27 years long war is ridiculous.
obsidian thistle
Red team vanished. 1 legit died. OMEGA are just weird. And then there is Keiichi.
versed helm
And restrictive.
feral perch
Chief and the other Spartans didn’t know about the Covenant’s presence on Reach until the very last day of the invasion, and that was when 300 ships were attacking.
@versed helm
obsidian thistle
We actually have too lil info on Omegas story. By all means they "could" have been isolated from the main group. And that 11 could become 10 if Keiichi was put into Omega.
That or Keiichi was on the Spirit this whole time off screen.
versed helm
I prefer that the fiction we receive isn't marred by kinda stringent, manufactured qualifiers, y'know?
Like it'd be cool to have Omega-Group Spartans working alongside other Spartans later on in the war.
There's no need to restrict that over the gameplay of Halo Wars
feral perch
And the Pillar of Autumn actually left Reach, went out with “half” of Cortana, then turned around, returned to the surface while the battle was raging to get her fragment from Noble Six, left and went to Halo.
versed helm
Which, need I remind you, is the game in which the UNSC can fire green beams from the sky that magically fix up damage to tanks and cause new fully-armed soldiers to blink into existence to replace the dead
obsidian thistle
Hey who says Omega actually bragged about the shields. Or even kept it after Arcadia. Nothing stops them meeting other Spartans.
feral perch
Hey, I accept that as cold hard canon. 😂
versed helm
But it's not just the other Spartans finding out
obsidian thistle
By all means it could of been a limited testing run like what COBALT was doing a lot. And from what we saw COBALT did a lotta stunkwork stuff.
versed helm
It's the really, really strange testing scheme
Like, it was used a bit in 2531
And then just disappeared from the map for 20 whole years
That's not the way MJOLNIR field testing normally works
I'd accept it if we got a bit of interesting lore there to explain that
But otherwise it's just pointless headcanon-fodder
obsidian thistle
Well Keiichi was the one to report issues with stuff. Maybe those issues were a lot bigger than we expected.
Well no one says you need to accept the stuff we were given also
;)
stoic hamlet
Ah, the shield discussion
The amount of contrivance we need to make Red Team/Omega using shields work is honestly absurd
Better to just pretend someone messed up and take it as non-canon IMO
obsidian thistle
Well Red Team just vanished. Thats the easy half.
stoic hamlet
But Omega didn’t
obsidian thistle
1 Spartan died. Thats another easy one.
stoic hamlet
You’re missing the point. 😛
obsidian thistle
Keiichi and Omega are harder.
stoic hamlet
We have like, three conflicting pieces of lore about the shields.
obsidian thistle
Here is a weird question. Who says the 2531 shields are the same type of shields, or are even alike the latter Covie based shields.
versed helm
Oh no
stoic hamlet
One that says testing began in 2534 with GRENADIER (and failed)
One that says Shielding was able to be successfully implemented in SPI potentially as early as 2545 but with massive power issues.
and the massive outlier, Omega and Read Team, in which they got shielding to work seemingly with very limited issues.
versed helm
CIA's gonna open a contrivance singularity
obsidian thistle
I would. But I am just home from a holiday lol.
versed helm
I guess the universe is safe for now
obsidian thistle
Oh and who says Omega and Red had limited issues. When there was at least 1 proven issue with the set.
And it musta not been perfect for 1 Spartan to die wearing the set.
I will say Spartan-IIs are expensive
And 1 dying in said suit will cause a lotta issues behind the scenes.
3 going missing with said suits also causes issues. Did they die like that one before, no one will have any idea.
which fyi again would cause issues, it does in real life also
Granted all we can do is theorize stuff atm. So I'll give you that @versed helm and @stoic hamlet
versed helm
And I'll give you that any opinion I currently hold could be swayed by a fancy bit of new, fun lore.
That goes for basically everything.
Contrivance without explanation, though, is just too much for me to handle.
If you're not gonna explain it, KISS, y'know?
humble yacht
kiss?
versed helm
Keep It Simple Stupid
humble yacht
oh
versed helm
Honestly that interaction we just had went exactly how I envisaged it would
Didn't know it'd be you
But I knew it'd happen
fair hazel
Haha
rotund lintel
How may spartans served on harvest aside from keiichi
obsidian thistle
In February 2531? 1 other who died.
humble yacht
Fill it with biomass
unique rune
probably
that or it infects the original operator of the vehicle and uses that body to control it
stable schooner
I assume that would be for more advanced vehicles since seems kinda pointless if their just taking over a Wraith. I imagine a Combat Form would just jack em.
humble yacht
Unless you want to turn the vehicle into a mobile infection spreader
Flood know how to drive well enough so if they just want a ride, yeah, hijacking suffices
barren niche
They do gain the knowledge of their host, so a host that knows how to drive a bus will impart that into the infection form
full forge
Mantis?
I can see both of those working for the Flood actually.
Cyclops especially
The Flood don't need to actually use the physical user controls, they can just become the computer essentially.
barren niche
How about a bike? Imagine a flood form coming after you on that.
sonic ridge
Had the arbiter learnt English in or before the events of 2?
gilded mason
Would make sense.
last anchor
Pretty sure he spoke it, yeah. Most covenant commanders could so they could interrigate humans I think
Dont forget the prototype
Maybe this is where the bubble sheild came from
humble yacht
The combat harness provides the shielding
So it means some flood forms preserve the shield generator part of the harness
terse lava
Evening everyone
humble yacht
Brutes only have power armor that once it breaks, it’s broken forever
humble yacht
Except for Tartarus but he was special
sonic ridge
Always found that funny
proud quail
"Flood Spartans"?
humble yacht
They exist as simulations
humble yacht
No
proud quail
could just be a gameplay thing, you get the same effect in SWAT
humble yacht
Don’t think so
Not to mention that the halo 4 flood Spartans only had the techsuits
The shield generators are on the armor platings
gilded mason
Nope
last anchor
People weren't a fan of them for some reason
terse lava
@sonic ridgethat was actually a bodysuit
Hm makes me wonder why they made them in halo mcc
Thw sangheili in infection gave no flood traits
humble yacht
I think the models were fine
gilded mason
Thw sangheili in infection gave no flood traits
They always forget about 'em. 😔
terse lava
Yea.... @gilded mason
humble yacht
Should combine with the infected head models of h2a
gilded mason
I kinda cringe whenever I see that whole "HEY THERE, SPARTANS!" thing.
stable schooner
Probably cause Flood Spartans Made extremely annoying screeches and their models were pretty ehh to me
sonic ridge
H2a infection is really bad imo
stable schooner
Halo 2A Magnum stops me from believing you Donk lol
humble yacht
Well let’s focus less on the gameplay and more on the lore and universe aspects
If you wanna rag on modes you can do that in mcc
proud quail
anyone remembers the Halo 2 Concept art with the Marine with an M247?
was it 2? i think it was 2
humble yacht
Halo 4 flood Spartans are theoretical forms infected by spore inhalation
H2a forms were by pod infector
proud quail
also halo 4 flood arent, yknow, actual flood or anything
terse lava
Actually speaking of flood, the last voyage of the infinite succor. Anyone ever notice the commando gruntvworh a human eifle
gilded mason
Yup
humble yacht
Not even Johnson
proud quail
eh, the flood ignored people they deemed too difficult to infect, didnt they?
they rather consume them as biomass
humble yacht
Converting to biomass is still being infected
Not all life becomes combat forms
No halopedia has the correction noted
Joe staten retconned it
gilded mason
However, the Boren's Syndrome story (referred to as the "Paris/BS Spoof"), was a hoax to cover up Johnson's involvement in the ORION Project,[25][26] and his survival from the Flood was solely due to his ability to fight off the parasite before it could infect him thanks to his augmented physique and superior skill, as opposed to an actual immunity.[27][28][note 1]
humble yacht
Johnson fought his way out
proud quail
being turned into someone's lunch isnt what i'd call an infection, personally
but i see where you're coming from
humble yacht
The flood don’t eat things the way we eat
humble yacht
“Eating” to the flood is turning cells into flood cells
proud quail
yeah i figured they dont chomp and digest people
good thing, christ, that'd be more disturbing
proud quail
but yeah i was talking about the halo 2 concept marine,
what's y'all thoughts on the marines going to webbing?
instead of just stuck-on magazine pouches
stable schooner
Here’s a question when did Johnson escape the facility? I wonder since he didn’t encounter any other Marines or Chief. And is clearly gone from the room when Chief arrives
humble yacht
Must have been after spark teleported Chief to the library
sonic ridge
He was originally resistant to the flood afaik
Guys said the writer made it not canon
humble yacht
You do see Johnson greet you after coming out of the facility in the level 343 GS
sonic ridge
That would make sense the
terse lava
Wouldn't that be more generic marine
sonic ridge
The
humble yacht
It had Johnson’s model and voice
gilded mason
So nothing is immune to the flood right?
Right.