Arguably they already have been enemies in the case of certain Silent Storm/Oblivion characters
#lore-and-universe
stoic hamlet
carmine sleet
It would have to be an extremely good reason for them to suddenly be an enemy faction
gilded mason
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
stoic hamlet
“Good and bad” meaning “good for the species”, not good morally
versed helm
I still don't trust ONI
stoic hamlet
Why?
gilded mason
Though of course, ONI's idea of what's good for the species might not be what's actually good for the species.
carmine sleet
Not to mention the fact that they're really the kind of organisation that you'd be fighting in a way like you do the Covenant. ONI doesn't deploy their operatives in large armies, they deploy small strike teams at most to do the job
gilded mason
Then you'd just fight them in an alternate way.
stoic hamlet
Still waiting on his answer, I’m genuinely curious as to his reasons.
versed helm
I just don't trust them,that's all i can say
gilded mason
I get ya.
stoic hamlet
But why not?
What reason have they given for you to not trust them?
gilded mason
You serious?
stoic hamlet
I’m curious if his reasons are different than the usual. Most of which you can argue for or against.
carmine sleet
I don't trust ONI because they kidnapped kids
versed helm
Considering what they did on Argent Moon,the Mona Lisa incident,how they fueled the Blooding Years,and what they did to that Benjamin Giraud fellow
So those are my reasons
carmine sleet
Argent Moon wasn't completely their fault though, right?
stoic hamlet
Argent Moon wasn’t sanctioned.
Mona Lisa was sanctioned but what happened was the result of one officer going above his orders.
Yeah
It was Intrepid Eye
humble yacht
So pretty much normal intelligence agency reasons
stoic hamlet
And one officer who was blackmailed by her
carmine sleet
So really, those aren't good reasons not to trust them
stoic hamlet
Giraud was also not the good guy in that scenario
And he admits he would likely cause civil war at a time when humanity couldn’t afford it
His main reasons for trying to give the truth were selfish, as well
carmine sleet
That is also very true too
stoic hamlet
Because he felt personally slighted by ONI
carmine sleet
Like, the truth should be out there, just Giraud decided to dig too deep and made it personal and used that to justify what he was doing
stoic hamlet
And finally the Blooding Years would have happened with or without ONI, they only really affected one specific warlord, but there were many others who didn’t get their arms from them.
versed helm
True
gilded mason
So then why do it?
versed helm
Wait,what was the name of that warlord?
gilded mason
The guys from Servants of Abiding Truth.
stoic hamlet
They give their reasons pretty plainly.
Keep the Sangheili civil war going so they don’t rally to focus on humanity
stoic hamlet
Pretty sure they did have stuff themselves, but ONI supplied them with a lot.
gilded mason
Nah, they themselves admitted they couldn't do anything.
versed helm
Aren't the Servants of Abiding Truth just a dead faction now?
stoic hamlet
Their leader was executed by a Gamma S-III, yeah
carmine sleet
As of 2558, there's basically only the Pale Blade's small group on Onyx
versed helm
Anyways,i do wonder how the Ur-Didact might return
gilded mason
chatbot
carmine sleet
I would love to see a Didact Chatbot now
versed helm
Imho,i think the Ur-Didact would've been a more interesting villain to fight rather than a rogue faction of AIs
stoic hamlet
You and everyone else, heh
carmine sleet
Allot of people agree with that but the Halo universe is where it is, not much we can do about that
carmine sleet
You say that as though there's a stat sheet for the Created
versed helm
How many Guardians did the Forerunners create?,dozens?,hundreds?,thousands?
gilded mason
Just one, but it's moving really fast and making after-images.
carmine sleet
If only
versed helm
Given the sheer size of the Milky Way,there would be no way that the Created could bring the whole galaxy to its knees
At least imho
carmine sleet
You don't know how many Guardians they're using
full forge
But once they blast a colony, that colony is nearly useless in a fight.
vague scroll
How do I say this... there's more than 20.
gilded mason
whoa...there must be at least 21 then...
versed helm
One was destroyed during the Second Onyx conflict
vague scroll
It wasn't destroyed, it was disabled, and that was the Guardian assigned to Trevelyan - it wasn't one of the Guardians that was ordered to return to Genesis
versed helm
Maybe one way we can take down the Guardians is by disabling the Domain's overwatch network
barren niche
I assume we're going to have to take Cortana's control of the Guardians away and then that is how Humanity will gain control of the mantle
gilded mason
no
barren niche
Ok
gilded mason
The Mantle is a flawed concept
stable schooner
When you realize a fixed Covenant is the best Option
gilded mason
Indeed.
versed helm
Agreed,we need something similar to the Citadel from Mass Effect
carmine sleet
I literally suggested Arby try to go for something like that yesterday
gilded mason
Yup.
stable schooner
I won’t lie I’m a speciest I don’t trust Unggoy on the High Council.
gilded mason
wude
barren niche
I don't think ONI would really want to work with any other species, plus, what do the Unggoy bring to the table,
carmine sleet
Lots of Unggoy delicacies
barren niche
Saddness
gilded mason
I don't think ONI would really want to work with any other species
Then they can stamp their feet while adults talk then, if it comes to that.
carmine sleet
The adults being the Unggoy, Lekgolo and Huragok
stable schooner
I think a High Council should be Elites, Brutes, Humans and redeemed Prophets.
barren niche
Agreed, and humanity isn't even working well with itself. There are still insurrectionist.
gilded mason
I think the council should have representatives from all species.
Except Yonhet.
Same way they've always done it
barren niche
Sign language?
gilded mason
They can use voice thingies
barren niche
Also, why do the the species refer to each other as Elites, Brutes, etc. when that is clearly a Human nickname ( I assume)
gilded mason
I imagine simply easy terms for players.
barren niche
Good ol' propaganda
stable schooner
Jackals are mercs and Pirates with little respect to Government, Servitude is to ingrained in the Grunts as a species and their intelligence and physical attributes don’t leave them on a equal standing. Hunters don’t care enough and don’t share the same emotions as the other races. Engineers enough said. Drones are literally Drones.
versed helm
Or maybe something similar to the Galactic Senate from Star Wars
stable schooner
Republic was corrupt though
barren niche
You are granted the rank of master but not a seat on the council. Everyone to humanity
vague scroll
The Bungie games have the aliens refer to themselves by their nicknames because its narratively easier to understand for the player. Halo 4 and 5 have slowly gotten away from this.
gilded mason
Jackals are mercs and Pirates with little respect to Government, Servitude is to ingrained in the Grunts as a species and their intelligence and physical attributes don’t leave them on a equal standing. Hunters don’t care enough and don’t share the same emotions as the other races. Engineers enough said. Drones are literally Drones.
BiR pls
stable schooner
The other races should be given positions in government but I don’t think they should have seats on the High Council nor do they care enough
gilded mason
🤔
barren niche
The government system in Black Panther works well enough, they should replicate that.
stable schooner
I mean for all its short comings the Covenant worked for a very long time in regards to Human Governments. Give it a few tea spoons of equality and it will be just right lol
barren niche
I feel like they maintained that through religious beliefs
Acting out made you a heretic and faced harsh punishment. Thel lost the battle on Installation 04 and they wanted his entrails paraded through the streets
gilded mason
Would have been a fun excursion to be sure.
stable schooner
True treading the path to salvation was a good motivator.
barren niche
Or, just have the flood consume all sentient life so there is no more conflict.
gilded mason
perfect 👌
humble yacht
Well there would still be internal conflict
barren niche
How so?
barren niche
Oh yeah, but other than that, no war
They kill the host after they get the info they need, they aren't sadistic.
gilded mason
they aren't sadistic.
According to the Gravemind in the Forerunner books, they are just a bit.
humble yacht
The body may die but the mind continues to experience anguish and pain
stable schooner
Though with the Citadel AOZ their wasn’t a recent history of mass Genocide on its members
I mean when you think about it didn’t the Elites statically kill the most Humans of all the Covenant
They ran the Glassing Beams
versed helm
Holy cleansing is what they'd call it.
barren niche
I’m not gonna argue that Elites weren’t sadistic, but the Brutes are far more sadistic than Elites
stable schooner
Not talking about sadistic but pure casualties. Elites did lol
Heck I go play Sacred Icon as Arbiter and kill some humans right now
“Holy Flare” to quote all the Elite Grenade Spammers.
humble yacht
But what made it holy?
It wasn’t forerunner in origin, was it?
It’s not like other plasma weapons were called “holy”, either
barren niche
First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin, then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count,
stable schooner
It glows with a light that kills the non believers, who knows. Plasma Rifles were considered a religious design maybe Elite inventions have been weaved as holy
versed helm
Speaking of glassing, back when I beat 3's Floodgate, I was a bit confused as to why more than nearly half the continent of Africa had to be glassed since they were areas that have yet to experience the Flood. (And maybe could be evacuated.)
It wasn't until Spartan Assault's Co-op mode explained that the Earth could've fallen within hours showcased how fast the Flood can spread quite quickly. (Specially once I remembered that they were in the early Intergalactic stage of infection.)
barren niche
Better be safe than sorry with the flood.
Wouldn’t mind a spin off game where the flood actually starts infecting earth and you play as a survivor.
Non-cannon of course
stable schooner
I think the Plasma Rifle, Energy Sword And Plasma Grenade have all been religiously tied to the Covenant maybe because of the Sangheili. Even Grunts will shout “Holy Flare” when throwing Grenades
humble yacht
I just don't see what's holy about sangheili engineering
like, based on their religion, if they got their hands on a Light Rifle, that would be holy
that would be like a Christian finding the holy grail
or the Lance of Longinus
vague scroll
pretty sure "holy flare" is an IWHBYD skull item.
humble yacht
Did members of Jul's Covenant ever use Forerunner weapons?
stable schooner
Maybe it was to appease the Sangheili by the Prophets in the Covenants past. Nope that’s Vanilla Halo 2 and 3. Plus all the Elite Weapons do glow and bright pale light often equals Holy in cultures
humble yacht
how did Jul justify fighting against the Prometheans before the Didact was released?
considered that they were all fanatics (except Jul), I'm surprised they didn't bow down upon seeing a Knight for the first time
vague scroll
You don't really need to justify anything if you're being shot at.
barren niche
Did Jul fight any prometheans?
humble yacht
I dunno
carmine sleet
Some did use Forerunner weapons, such as in Spartan Ops when they attacked Infinity
humble yacht
if an angel came down from heaven and demanded the Pope's head, pretty sure the Pope would oblige
vague scroll
The Prometheans and 'Mdama's Covenant are enemies through the Halo 4 campaign only until you awaken the Didact.
stable schooner
Yeah Spartan Op Elites use PrometheanWeapons
humble yacht
Yes Distant, that's my point
vague scroll
AOZ asked and you said idk, so, I was just trying to confirm that.
humble yacht
I wasn't saying "i dunno" to that point
vague scroll
alrighty, my bad
humble yacht
message ordering, what can you do
vague scroll
it happens 😄
barren niche
I didn’t know if there were fights before halo 4. I have read only one halo novel.
humble yacht
Jul must have convinced his troops that the Didact was being held against his will (which I guess is true)
and that killing Prometheans was in the spirit of freeing their god
Oh, something I wonder
Did Jul and Shadow of Sundered Star ever meet face to face?
like a little pow wow
vague scroll
No one encountered Prometheans until Halo 4
And it’s a good question. There was some implications he was operating under the Didacts orders somehow during Spartan Ops but that plot line seems to have been dropped by Time of Escalation
gilded mason
Sadly.
humble yacht
on the one hand, Didact called the Elites "lesser creatures"
gilded mason
pretty rude tbh
humble yacht
on the other, Jul was going around proclaiming to be "Didact's Hand"
you'd think if someone was using your namesake, you'd at least meet them to either tell them off or evaluate them
wintry coral
Jul ‘Mdama aka “The Didact’s Hand.” I bet the only thing Jul knew about the Didact is that he’s a Forerunner Commander
He probably knew nothing else about the Didact and what happened during his life before the Firing of the Halo Array.
wintry coral
That too
humble yacht
that was the whole reason behind his expedition
wintry coral
But nothing else
humble yacht
to find a comrade in arms
versed helm
There really wasn't a terminal that Jul could access on Requiem that explained everything about the Forerunners and their history.
feral perch
Elites only lived around thirty years during the time of the Forerunners, wasn’t it said? And they don’t seem to have had a spacefaring presence. It’s not surprising that the Didact called them “beasts.”
gilded mason
Elites only lived around thirty years during the time of the Forerunners, wasn’t it said?
Ye, quite the difference to their current era.
feral perch
I recently rewatched the Spartan Ops cutscenes, and a few of the Arbiter cutscenes from Halo 5. I actually don’t mind the Halo 4-5 Elites, at all really. And they certainly don’t remind me of Brutes.
versed helm
Atriox is still one of the best characters I've seen in recent Halo media
humble yacht
_<
gilded mason
You all right there, Chimera?
wintry coral
Atriox is the only Brute that had any intelligence.
barren niche
I think the brutes looks better in the new artstyle.
versed helm
What about Lydus?
stoic hamlet
Maccabus
gilded mason
rip
versed helm
Whatever happened to Lydus?
gilded mason
Did he? I don't remember much of that book, but I thought he was pretty silly.
feral perch
He nearly killed everybody with the Sharquoi
His plan came pretty close to succeeding before the obligatory good guy victory
stoic hamlet
Also Castor is another smart Brute
feral perch
Yeah, he’s probably one of the smartest. He did survive Retribution, didn’t he?
stoic hamlet
Yeah
versed helm
What about Tartarus?
Actually scratch that
From what i'm reading right now,it said that some human criminals did join The Banished?
gilded mason
Where'd you hear that?
feral perch
You’re thinking of the Keepers of the One Freedom.
They were more or less competitors with the Banished.
versed helm
I'm looking at the Halopedia page on the Banished
feral perch
What’s the source?
gilded mason
Field Manual, it seems
"Atriox is reported to have led a fleet of Banished to an unknown destination, but the chieftains he has organized and controlled continue to spread their influence and power throughout Brute colonies and even into human criminal enterprises."
versed helm
Atriox has no animosity towards humanity,[35] and is technically open to recruiting them, though the Banished's violent culture and conditions of service make them unattractive to many humans.[36] Banished chieftains have spread their power beyond Jiralhane colonies and into human territory, an unknown number of human criminals have been influenced and may have joined the Banished
stoic hamlet
I don’t read that as them recruiting humans
Simply using them to do their dirty work
The Keepers actually recruit humans
They’re part of the group, not just hired guns
versed helm
True
Wait..speaking of the Innies,the New Colonial Alliance is still out there somewhere
I wonder if we will ever get a chance to fight them
stable schooner
I honestly think People only hate Brutes cause 1. They sided with the Prophets and 2. They eat People.
versed helm
Weren't the Kig Yar known for eating people too?
humble yacht
people didn't really start sympathizing with Elites until they saw events from their perspective
create a Brute protag and people will undoubtedly develop an appreciation for the species
stable schooner
That is True. Brutes haven’t been shown as our allies in any Games or any media really.
stable schooner
Yeah but didn’t that not really go anywhere
copper wigeon
It shows that some brutes like him are capable of seeing the bigger picture.
stable schooner
True every bit helps but until we get a cinematic experience with a Brute they’ll constantly be labeled as Savage Beasts
versed helm
Forgive me if i asked this before but what new sentient species would you like to see outside of the ones we already have?
terse lava
Non covenant? Maybe a race who managed to actually pass the.mantle
carmine sleet
The Mantle is such a flawed concept that it would be better for the galaxy not to try and "uphold" it
terse lava
Yet apparently other races have upheld it, the forerunners were not the first to be tested
carmine sleet
The Precursors originally intended to pass it on to Humanity but the Forerunners ran them out and claimed they were the ones who inherited it. The Forerunners then saw Humanity as their worthy successors for the Mantle. But that doesn't change the fact that it was a flawed concept that did more harm than good
terse lava
I am aware of that, yet other races were tested for the mantle, whatever that test was before the forerunner rebellion. Some were erased as a.result of failing
But over millions to billions.of years sone had to have passed
To have the forerunners, and then humans tested as the original races seems...ludicrous
Or improbable, better word I guess
barren niche
Well, it feels like the current species view the forerunners in a way that they’d believe that the mantle is something worth posessing
Because the Forerunners decided to “pass” on the mantle for the Humans to inherit.
humble yacht
Well, some did
stable schooner
So if a Peaceful Foreunner came back and said Humanity was ok do you think that would make the religious Remnants chill out
terse lava
There would likely be wired some type of proof that they were Forerunner The covenant did not know what the forerunners physical form even was
vague scroll
not really, just because one Forerunner lives doesn't mean that the religion dies - plus, how the heck are you going to get every practitioner of the religion to actually hear what said Forerunner has to say.
terse lava
True if the covenant as a whole was still United that could be a possibility if it was from high charity
barren niche
The Mantle of Responsibility reminds me of the whole White Man’s Burden concept.
Which is also flawed and well, racist
terse lava
Pretty much is
Does raise a question though
If the forerunners handle the mantle poorlyly how were the precursors any better
This uber race who throws a tantrum over their creations not wanting to be wiped out
Wasn't even the timeless one referenced as a child in primordiaum?
Mentioned in primordium by a lifeworker
" long ago, precursors tried to erase forerunners, but forerunners erased them"
Only one to contradict this was the gravemind
tiny harness
Main reason for the Forerunners attacking the Precusors was the possibility that they would have meet the same fate as other species who failed
tiny harness
Former
terse lava
Both
terse lava
Pretty much a mutated precursor
tiny harness
Currently they only appear as the flood, but I think not all of them. The Primordial being one example
terse lava
Ehh... no I guess, not at first anyway
It did manage to merge with the flood eventually
tiny harness
If they ever appear not as the flood there is this quote "The Precursors lived in many shapes, flesh and spirit, primitive and advanced, spacefaring and locked to their worlds ... Evolved over and over again, died away, were reborn, explored, and seeded many galaxies"
The Primordial can probably said to be an uncorrupted form. Probably one that didn't immediately try to return to a past state (the flood is the failed result).
terse lava
Well warfleet did give in another picture of a non flood precursor
tiny harness
That is the primordial
tiny harness
what page?
terse lava
3rd I think, where it talks on the various races
Precursor. Forerunner, covenant, and human
tiny harness
nope that is just a flood form
tiny harness
lol nvm
Took a closer look and it looks like a possible fit to the description in the novel.
tiny harness
The interpretation for the Primordial can depend, since these are the two quotes I know of “Bigger than men, bigger than Forerunners. Many arms, many small legs, curled up like a shriveled spider. It sat on a big dish, flying this high over the ground.” He raised his arm as high as he could." The other one is basically a repeat
terse lava
Yea
warm ridge
@feral perch It's funny because I also remember back in the H3 era people complained that H3 Brutes looked to much like Elites, then Reach came along and it switched it from "brutes look like elites" to "elites look like brutes" and the trend has continued to even today
@versed helm @terse lava @tiny harness The Primordial was one of the Precursors who didn't want to turn immediately into the Flood. The Flood isn't a "failed state", it's the form they took on as the "next life". The Precursors basically live in a entirely different dimension due to there knowledge of neural physics. From my perspective, they can basically come back in any form they want.
terse lava
I didn't mind the reach sangheili, too thing took a bit if time to get used too but they were alright
Well the flood was not planned. Just an accident
warm ridge
The Primordial for example came back and spoke as a Gravemind to the Ur-Didact, after the Ur-Didact for sure killed the Primodial's' precursor form himself in that "time capsule" thing (forgot the correct name of it). He literally turned the Precursor's body to dust.
stable schooner
I thing Reach Elites are alright then I look at their faces and Feet
warm ridge
@terse lava The Flood was planned by the Precursors as soon as the Forerunners started killing them off. None of the Precursors truly died, they just all took on another biological form aka the Flood.
terse lava
The flood was not planned the timeless one said that the dust became defective
They originally planned on using the dust to come back to their previous forms
warm ridge
read here: "This form would later be known as the Flood. Far from accepting failure and extinction, the Precursors viewed the Flood as a means to bring unity to the galaxy as well as punish the Forerunners for their insolence."
terse lava
Yes the flood was an accident an accident the precursors were willing to
warm ridge
The biological "dust" is what became defective, but I believe the Precursors meant for it to do just this so the Flood could be created.
terse lava
To use to get their revenge
We have literally no proof the precursors planned on the dust becoming effective
Defective
terse lava
Hold on a sec
warm ridge
@terse lava Judging from the fact that the Precursors viewed the Flood as a way in order to get revenge against the Forerunners, yes it was planned. The Flood was created by them basically.
and the Flood is controlled/is the Precursors.
barren niche
Some of the precursors left the universe though, right?
warm ridge
As far as we know, the Precursors seeded many different galaxies with life that originally did not have life. It wouldn't be a surprise if more Precursors in the original form still exist in other galaxies.
terse lava
the precursors decided to use the flood because it is what they had. they made the best of the situation they Were given
warm ridge
that's not really how it worked out dude lol
The Precursors can come back in any biological form they wish to. They chose to come back as the Flood in the Milky way galaxy.
after all, they aren't tied to any physical form, at all.
terse lava
Some adopted new strategies for survival they went dormant others became dust that could regenye await our past forms time rendered this dust defective it brought only disease and misery but that was good we saw the misery and found it good
warm ridge
@versed helm It's a common misunderstanding of the Precursors/Flood tbh.
just read about them on Halopedia, or go directly to the sources themselves.
"The Precursors were not tied to any particular physical form, assuming any shape as they saw fit; they would allow themselves to die away and be evolved anew over and over again, taking on numerous incarnations both physical and immaterial. They lived through different stages of technological and cultural development countless times, being at times hyper-advanced and spacefaring and at others living primitively and remaining confined to their worlds."
@terse lava The Precursors in the milky way galaxy let this "dust" become defective so the Flood could be created basically. They did it because they wanted revenge against the Forerunners.
@versed helm yes, the dust induced madness in life forms that came in contact with it. The Precursors themselves were not induced into madness.
barren niche
So, that could mean the precursors are some species somewhere in the universe during the current story line?
terse lava
Do you have proof that the precursors willingly let the dust become defective and did not simply make the best out of what they had
We are never told how long it takes for a precursor to begin a new cycle of life
warm ridge
because they never came back in there physical forms and the Primordial still exist and literally explained the whole plan to the Ur-Didact himself?
Remember, the Primordial's physical form was no more. It got killed, not being attached to the Flood or anything at all. It was literally turned into dust/nothing.
terse lava
I am looking at the Page it is not mentioned that the defectiveness of the dust was on purpose
warm ridge
because obviously that hasn't been said on the page.
The point of the matter is, the Precursors created the Flood in order to get revenge on the Forerunners.
terse lava
On that I agree with you
warm ridge
and it wasn't a "accident" at all.
barren niche
yeah, they went into that dust form and then would come back later, the humans found the dust stuff and gave it to dogs.
I could be wrong but that is what I remember, please correct me if I am
terse lava
Yea, their pets the pheru
The dust only made the pets more beautiful at 1st and took centuries to show any flood like symptoms
warm ridge
It took a few generations, the Humans started noticing this effect but by the time they tried to contain it, it was all to late.
terse lava
Yeah pretty much
barren niche
I mean, if I found biological space dust I would give it to my pet. lol
warm ridge
"Most of the affected animals were euthanized by their human and San Shyuum masters, but despite feverish research no cure was discovered. However, most researchers failed to see the connection between the powder and the deformities, believing the Pheru had simply become overbred. Many were released to their natural habitat of Faun Hakkor. However, some humans who consumed Pheru meat soon began to exhibit similar growths and behavior as the animals previously had, beginning the parasite's first outbreak."
basically it started as soon as Humans started consuming the infected Pheru meat.
terse lava
Chosen heirs of the mantle everybody
barren niche
"A few Precursors escaped or were spared by the Forerunners. They either went into suspended animation or became molecular dust that was meant to eventually regenerate into their past forms. However, over millions of years, the dust became defective, failing to reconstitute the Precursors and instead inducing madness and mutations in lifeforms that came in contact with it. " (https://www.halopedia.org/Precursor , Return)
So that explains why the Pheru started changing
and the dust did in fact corrupt, according to the wiki
barren ferry
alright, so an ultra elite can kill 50 of our soldiers
thats what i'm willing to bet.
potent socket
Basic soldiers?
young mortar
Easily
young mortar
I think cos the UNSC use caliber rifle like we do now so probably not much more
barren ferry
it is 500 years ahead though.
so if its way stronger, and it takes extremely long to just lower the elite's shields, not accounting for actually killing the elite
then one of these
would kill 100 of our soldiers with ease
young mortar
Definitely
barren ferry
heck, even spartans have trouble against 5
young mortar
Now what about hunters
barren ferry
dont remind me.
potent socket
Oh no
barren ferry
300 soldiers, i bet
young mortar
A single hunter or a pait
barren ferry
hunter
young mortar
Pair*
barren ferry
those things can take multiple sniper bullets with their armor.
3 Grunts = 15 Soldiers
cause of how easy to kill they are.
potent socket
The armor is made of the same thing on their ships.
young mortar
And multiple nades
barren ferry
they have armor, but their heads arent protected
young mortar
And the backs
barren ferry
unless they have plasma cannons
young mortar
But I doubt our soldiers would know that
barren ferry
if you give even a grunt a plasma cannon, thats at least 30 soldiers due to how unprotected they are.
full citrus
let's be honest besides spartans for like 500 years in the future, the military doesn't seem that super advanced especially with weaponry versus the covenant
barren ferry
Ultra elite with plasma canon = 250 soldiers.
a plasma shot flying by you is more than enough to burn you, dude.
barren niche
@full citrus thats because there was no real conflict for most of that time.
barren ferry
the armor in halo is very strong compared to what we have.
and the covenant glassed reach in a matter of days.
with each spartan being an army in their own right
and they have mini railguns.
potent socket
Makes sense.
barren ferry
god forbid an ultra elite has an energy sword
potent socket
Good Spartans.
barren ferry
rip soldiers
potent socket
Yeah, and active camo.
potent socket
Loved Forward Into Dawn
barren ferry
and the elites have mini energy swords in their wrist armor.
barren niche
I feel like there is a Spanish Inquisition joke here some where.
young mortar
What about the drones from h3
barren ferry
where an elite has an energy sword and is invisible
this sucked in reach
could sneak behind anyone and kill them easily.
if it wasn't for the nametag that appeared, they would be nearly unstoppable.
young mortar
Yeah that combo is OP
potent socket
I hated how @young mortar couldn't camo for long.
potent socket
I know, but it would be cool if it could.
sudden shuttle
young mortar
What if the whole earth United and all our militaries and armies became one how long would they last
barren ferry
modern guns would take years to kill an ultra elite
barren niche
Yeah, but then where is the fun in having infinite active camo
barren ferry
not very, all the covenant has to do is glass the planet.
our earth is basically reach but worse in every possible way.
barren niche
Because?
barren niche
No, not yet
barren ferry
our current army would die against the covenant
hell, we have trouble against untrained terrorist groups.
young mortar
No op mongooses lol
barren niche
Yeah, but that is like sending a modern US military to fight against a Roman army.
barren ferry
you would have to nerf the covenant a lot
for our army to have a snowballs chance in hell
barren niche
Well, tbh even the UNSC was struggling against the Covenant, even with Spartans.
barren ferry
yeah, so we are screwed
potent socket
What development would the convenant be at 500 years before?
barren ferry
a spartan would take out 100 of our soldiers, easy.
young mortar
M1 abrams tank vs scorpion
barren ferry
scorpion
barren niche
You should be more worried about getting shot than an alien invasion
barren ferry
lmao thats a stomp
potent socket
The M1 is probably faster than the Scorpion.
barren ferry
yeah, a plasma shot flying by a normal human being is more than enough to severely burn you @barren niche
potent socket
Faster turret traverse
terse lava
@potent socketcovwnant were around the same technolgy level they are currently
potent socket
Okay thanks @terse lava
barren ferry
yeah, but the covenant is still superior to us.
terse lava
Yep
potent socket
Yeah, different materials right?
barren ferry
and you remember how long ultra elites took to lower their shields?
barren ferry
yeah, but the ultra elites were hell.
potent socket
Yeah.
barren ferry
could take out 100 of our basic soldiers, easily.
imagine how long it would take to lower their shields with rounds with less power and accuracy.
let alone kill them
barren niche
it is neat @versed helm
barren ferry
they were sturdy as hell even without their shields.
young mortar
What about our special forces such as the SAS would they do better
potent socket
Knife combat etc.
barren ferry
SAS aren't as good as spartans.
a spartan dies against 6 Ultra Elites in open combat, bro.
hell, a freaking grunt can take more punishment than the average soldier.
young mortar
I know but SAS against elites would sas do better
potent socket
Yeah, and they are kids.
barren niche
Who would win? Two Elite ultras in the middle of a football stadium with unlimated ammo or 100billion toddlers with a knife
barren ferry
their rounds are still weaker than the UNSC
lmao, ultra elites.
grunts can take more punishment than even the strongest man.
potent socket
So grunts with energy daggers?
barren ferry
one or two plasma shots is enough to kill a basic soldier @versed helm
stable schooner
That ain’t true. Your standard Grunt isn’t that strong plus they wear armor to
barren niche
barren ferry
its called could you beat a grunt in hand to hand
an AR from 500 years after our current time.
young mortar
What about jackals we haven't talked about them
barren ferry
with likely stronger rounds.
potent socket
Fast, agile, and smart.
barren ferry
jackals easily kill our soldiers.
jackal snipers from halo 2 = DEAD
halo 2 legendary difficulty jackal snipers
barren niche
The Kig-Yar are weak,
young mortar
Shielded jackals with needlers=our soldiers dead
barren ferry
our soldiers die against legendary difficulty sniper jackals
and you know that
halo 2 legendary difficulty
potent socket
How would legendary be put into perspective in the real world?
barren niche
Thats cause they made it hard, cause its a video game
barren niche
KEK
barren ferry
still, kig-yar can use their tactics to kill our soldiers.
fire enough needlers into an armored soldier and he explodes.
potent socket
I guess it would mean they were well trained and have experience.
young mortar
What about drones
stable schooner
Shielded Jackals would stomp. Jackal Snipers we could counter
barren niche
What about the Drones?
barren ferry
jackal snipers are smaller @stable schooner
therefore, harder to hit than a man sized target
and way more agile
young mortar
Drones versus our soldiers
barren ferry
drones.
barren niche
Are the drones insects?
potent socket
Drones? There's a movie about a killer bird swarm. Imagine that's but they are bigger and use plasma weapons.
barren ferry
they burn our soldiers within a millisecond.
gilded mason
Are the drones insects?
They are aliens.
barren ferry
and elites would stomp.
just a blue elite can kill 25 soldiers.
HHAHAHAHAHAHAHA no.
they are equal to spartans, my dude.
gilded mason
Or at least, some are.
barren ferry
they are only easy to kill because of AI drawbacks.
try fighting 5 elites on heroic
no cover.
barren niche
@gilded mason 👌
young mortar
We haven't mentioned brutes at all
potent socket
A real elite would act differently, as in Halo you cant change your environment.
barren ferry
in lore.
a real elite would be a match for a spartan.
Master chief is just a god, so he doesn't count.
terse lava
The only covenant race a real human could take would be a san shyuum
potent socket
Beat the elders. Yes.
young mortar
Is suppose heroic difficultly could just mean more training
potent socket
Legendary should be atleast Well trained.
terse lava
Bungee only ever said it was supposed to be the closest to Canon
barren ferry
look up which difficulty in halo is canon
terse lava
Not that it was Canon
barren ferry
or closest
terse lava
If we're going that route heroic would be the closest to behavior with legendary be in the closest to plasma damage
barren ferry
according to him, heroic is the closest to canon
so lets use that.
and a real elite would still act smarter.
they just act like speds in game
for some reason
probably due to limitations
potent socket
Probably because your a god that they all know and hate.
barren ferry
but, you know how much harder an elite is when a player is controlling him @versed helm ?
thats what a real elite would act like, only smarter than that.
terse lava
The closest you are going get to Canon is what is displayed in the various novels
young mortar
SAS vs ODSTs
barren ferry
well, an elite in lore is a match, if not stronger than a spartan.
terse lava
For example in the game no matter the difficulty it takes multiple plasma both to take anyone down in the books a single plasma bolt Can burn through a human
barren ferry
ODST
potent socket
ODST
barren ferry
i would like to see a basic soldier try and kill this:
lets see how far he gets.
dead in 1 second.
potent socket
Not far.
barren ferry
a plasma shot flying by you is more than enough to burn you to a severe degree.
barren niche
Who would win "Modern military vs Advance Futuristic Sci-Fi Military"? mmmm, idk it seems like real fair fight.
barren ferry
cause you said elites are easy to kill.
a spartan with rounds from 500 years in the future has trouble fighting 5 of those elites at the same time.
the elite ones, by the way.
potent socket
Elite elites?
potent socket
Ah
barren ferry
to be more exact
potent socket
Ok
barren ferry
squad? not really, an elite's energy shields would take longer for us to pierce.
stable schooner
Let’s not forget Alpha 9 took down a Shielded Brute Chieftain
barren ferry
lets use marines.
even a squad of marines with bullets from 500 years later has trouble killing an elite.
i dont see ours faring any better.
99.96% of the time I had to step in and kill the elite.
otherwise the squad would be killed.
potent socket
Well, what about modern DMR? Not a Halo one.
stable schooner
Marines can 1v1 Elites in Halo 2 if we’re using gameplay
terse lava
He met the character sergeant forge
barren ferry
forge is one man.
stable schooner
Halo 3 Marines are actually stronger then Elite Minors
barren ferry
and shielded chieftans are inferior to elites.
LMAO, WHAT
he beat him through luck.
potent socket
Forge did in fact do that.
barren niche
The former Arbiter to clarify
stable schooner
Facts you can’t change raw game data Brenden Halo 3 Marines are stronger then Elites
barren niche
Yeah, he stabbed the former arbiter in the neck.
stable schooner
Elite Minor 150 Health. Halo 3 Marine 200 health
barren ferry
where exactly did you get this from?
potent socket
Arbiter was destroyed in that fight.
stable schooner
The games map files what else
potent socket
Loved that scene
barren ferry
thats gameplay anyway.
in canon, an elite is physically stronger and durable than a standard marine.
barren niche
Yeah but we have no real life counter parts to compare them to,
stable schooner
Exactly so gameplay is not a factor in this discussion so Your Experience with an Elite Ultra is irrelevant
barren ferry
forge was a man who used tactics ahead of our time
a sangheili, being generally stronger by default, would beat a spartan.
you only killed the elites because they acted like speds in the game.
in canon, an elite is equal to, if not better than a spartan.
potent socket
How many elites did Master Chief kill solo? In 1 fight?
barren ferry
and the freaking prelates are the covenant equivalent to spartans.
stable schooner
This has been a proven false countless times your standard elite is not stronger then a Spartan
barren ferry
a real elite is more tactical than a spartan in lore, dude.
the elites in the gameplay are freaking speds.
its due to game limitations of course.
barren niche
The Chief and other Spartans killed enough Elites and covenant forces for them to be considered Demons and if a Covenant soldier killed a Spartan it was a really big deal.
young mortar
When did this become an argument
barren ferry
well in lore, the elites are equal to spartans
lack of protection?
thats gameplay.
well, true.
stable schooner
Where in lore are Elites equal to Spartans. An Elite in Lore has never killed a Spartan in 1 v 1 Combat
remote spruce
what in tarnation
potent socket
This shouldn't be an argument.
young mortar
Well somehow it is
remote spruce
what's going on
potent socket
We are talking.
barren niche
Brendon is saying elites are stronger than marines and Spartans I think.
stable schooner
Brendan thinks Elites stomp Spartans Basically and Elites are nerfed by gameplay
barren ferry
i am saying they are equal to elites.
remote spruce
the copout answer is yes and no
barren ferry
not stomping them.
elites are definitely stronger than marines, no doubt.
should we just end the argument now
barren ferry
why grunts are still even in the army?
humble yacht
Didnt that elite major in The Package technically win a fight with Chief?
He didn’t kill him of course
stable schooner
That Elite Major fairly won yeah
remote spruce
what are needlers
humble yacht
Subanese crystal guns
barren niche
@barren ferry They were useful cannon fodder for the army, plus they bred really fast so replacing troops was no concern
barren ferry
oh god
potent socket
Intensifys
barren ferry
i dont even wanna imagine what its like in those
humble yacht
Then don’t
young mortar
Is the package a novel
humble yacht
No
potent socket
What about the FOOD NIPPLE
humble yacht
It’s an animated short
stable schooner
It’s an episode of Halo Legends
young mortar
Oh thanks I'll watch that
potent socket
Nipple*
humble yacht
Well that brute in halo 2 was hungry
And so were the locked up jackals
So maybe food wasn’t all that plentiful for lower tier soldiers
remote spruce
nah, but lol
drifting sorrel
No the lekgolo were considered a species to be exterminated at first
remote spruce
Colony is bestest
young mortar
Goodnight everyone it's 1 an for me, this was an interesting discussion.
potent socket
Goodnight @young mortar
drifting sorrel
If I remember correctly the covenant only got the chewed remnants of the artifacts that had yet to be devoured by the lekgolo, and by then they were near worthless
drifting sorrel
"By sentient worms"
gilded mason
Hunter in the tour group: "Our bad."
potent socket
And this is why the Brutes were elected to protect the Prophets.
To protect their high tech space chairs from sentient worms.
drifting sorrel
New space raid, effective against sentient worms
vague scroll
its possible
remote spruce
Hunter translation: "metal......yummmy"
potent socket
I'm glad we are talking about Lore
And Universe
We've concluded that space worms is a serious issue.
remote spruce
i'm the type of person who likes the tiny details rather than the story itself
drifting sorrel
I mean we're technically expanding on it, since no one has considered cutting a lekgolo in half to see if it multiplies
gilded mason
We ate some neat metal
Others then got pretty mad
Time for Covenant
potent socket
All bad bad bad
remote spruce
Do all Hunters talk like Colony
potent socket
We've seen an elite poem in Halo 5.
remote spruce
just the way they speak in general
though i'm certain it's the translation of their speak rather than Colony actually saying English
drifting sorrel
Pfft, I remember that. He wanted it bad
gilded mason
ok
potent socket
What does a Hunter worm taste like?
drifting sorrel
He would have to ask Locke, but I don't think he wants to talk much about nightfall
Master chief ate his portion of iron, now look at him
Actually have they used him for big advertisements like that in universe?
remote spruce
they have golden warthog advertisements
after the camera is off
"Sir, are these healthy?"
drifting sorrel
the dude shrugs
"Do I look like a food critic?"
humble yacht
Reminder to not be inappropriate
drifting sorrel
.... why am I not surprised?
humble yacht
Donk
terse lava
For heresy such as this, no punishment is to great
drifting sorrel
What heresy?
terse lava
Donk's
drifting sorrel
Got it
terse lava
Come to think of it I wonder what covenant Entertainment is considered movies shows etc
And this kids is heresy Henry do not be a Henry
barren niche
Probably listen to sermons, and parades of the entrails of heretics
terse lava
You are correct Henry
@barren niche I doubt it is as simple as that at least the 1st part
I mean look at medieval Europe they had stuff like jousting
barren niche
Jousting, now that sounds interesting.
drifting sorrel
Probably eleberate Shakespeare esque plays, along with gladiatorial combat
terse lava
I can easily picture two sangheili in ceronimal arbiter like armor and riding large goliaths into battle
Well we do know In the early years of the covenant sangheilios did have battle arenas
potent socket
So did Earth, but then there is "Safety"
terse lava
We are talking about a Warrior race
It will just be one massive Monte python sketch of the black Knight
drifting sorrel
Fart jokes
remote spruce
human comedies
terse lava
If I recall grunts enjoy getting a high off narcotics
remote spruce
they trade tapes of old shows or something
terse lava
That to
potent socket
Friends?
drifting sorrel
Oh god
terse lava
Oh
drifting sorrel
Somewhere in the halo universe there's an unggoy watching hannah Montana
potent socket
Oh no.
drifting sorrel
They probably do
potent socket
They definitely cheat.
drifting sorrel
Their card counters, through and through
potent socket
King? No, it's a Prophet.
drifting sorrel
Which prophet?
terse lava
Now imagine covenant chess
drifting sorrel
Probably not that different
remote spruce
unggoy pawns
potent socket
There's 3 face cards so Truth, Mercy, and Regret.
remote spruce
lol
drifting sorrel
I'm just imagining a wendy's run entirely by brutes
potent socket
Oh god no.
potent socket
Atriox lost his job and he flipped an entire Phantom due to rage.
drifting sorrel
"You guys got my meal wrong can I get a refund?"
"No"
terse lava
@drifting sorreli can only hear that in a brute voice now
drifting sorrel
Your welcome
potent socket
Tartarus is the CEO
terse lava
This is making me concerned on how their happy meals work
potent socket
They choose grunts.
drifting sorrel
They add narcotics to their happy meals
terse lava
Tis celebrate than 9th age of reclamation each grunt meal now comes with their very own Plush prophet
potent socket
A million times in 1 second probably.
drifting sorrel
She probably just played pokemon
potent socket
Replayed Pokemon while chief is frozen.
drifting sorrel
She became the ultimate pokemon master
terse lava
Cortana: its been 3 years and I still can't get that master ball
potent socket
Plays Halo "This seems familiar."
drifting sorrel
Cortana no your getting too meta
potent socket
She's a memelord now
terse lava
While she waited for the chief she simply decided to become A app
potent socket
Do you think those different versions had their own personalites like in RvB
drifting sorrel
Most definitely, why did you think she went rampant
drifting sorrel
She has a temper tantrum?
gilded mason
What was the argument they had?
Are you talking about her line in Halo 4, or something?
terse lava
Think he means the books
gilded mason
Since the only chess thing I'm aware of was when Halsey's mother beat Halsey in chess and said some words, which Cortana seemed to reference in Halo 4 during one of her rampant moments.
drifting sorrel
So, question, what type of holidays do the covenant celebrate
gilded mason
Perhaps something for major discoveries or when some races join the Covenant. Or even when it was founded to begin with.
proper summit
Do think they celebrate at all when they were born?
proud quail
does recoil exist at all in the haloverse or is it all just super future dampeners?
the BR spits, what, 9.2?
drifting sorrel
Recoil does exist actually, and is showcased in halo reach (i.e. retical bloom)
feral perch
San’Shyuum birthing season is celebrated @drifting sorrel
terse lava
New ages are celebrated too
versed helm
@proud quail The BR fires 9.5x40mm High-Power Semi-Armour-Piercing (sometimes experimental, sometimes Kurz), and recoil dampeners exist in many forms.
The MA5 series, according to TFoR when discussing the MA2B, features an unspecified "recoil reduction system", and obviously stabilization jets are a slightly silly thing.
proud quail
technology that doesnt bruise your shoulder at the squeeze of a trigger sounds great
silly, but great
did they ever addressed weight or?
versed helm
The weight of UNSC weapons?
If we know it it should be on Halopedia.
They're full-scale rifles with a lot of frills, and tend to weigh as much.
proud quail
i always scratched my head on where halopedia got those weights from
versed helm
Typically b-net sources and the various encyclopedia.
Sources should be listed.
The little numbers.
terse lava
@versed helmyes
versed helm
And it would seem to be a focused stream of harmful particles.
So it could be plasma.
terse lava
@versed helmminatuized energy projector
versed helm
That's the focus rifle, innit?
terse lava
No
versed helm
The Covenant does not distinguish the various Particle Beam Rifle patterns from each other (at least, not to the obsessive level that the Office of Naval Intelligence tracks every refinement), and simply groups them together based on core components and intended use. Whatever their casing style and aesthetics, all are charged particle beam cannons of prodigious power – capable of killing shielded infantry in one or two shots, depending on accuracy.
terse lava
The focus rifle is built on the sentinel beam
proud quail
now i wonder what they were measuring.
versed helm
That's what Waypoint says of the beamy shoot-shoot.
proud quail
one of the reasons 7.62 of today was abandoned was because 7.62 ammunition tends to add weight
versed helm
Oh puh-lease don't get me started on this xD
terse lava
It's referring to the fact that there are various beam rifle types
versed helm
Here's the procedure.
terse lava
High heat high energy
versed helm
UNSC troops load funny looking box mags into their rifles
Ammo counter goes to a startlingly high number
7.62x51 projectiles come out the barrel
Lore and visual depictions are too conflicting to say anything else without proper clarifying lore
proud quail
an FN FAL weights about 9 and a half pounds empty, 11 something with a magazine, and an MA5C is 3.8 empty, 4.1 magazine
proud quail
ill throw a dart at the wall and say "space material rifle"
unique rune
Sentinel Beams need to burn hot to make sure nothing survives to sustain an infestation
versed helm
I'm guessing that the UNSC's 7.62 isn't exactly the same as NATO's 7.62, though some visual depictions disagree with me.
It's just one of the many possibilities.
But like, between varying visual depictions, Halo's weird scale nonsense, some out-of-universe context, it's hard to tell
feral perch
The SCAR-H uses 7.62
versed helm
Now we gotta drop this before I go mental again
remote spruce
huh so the gameplay beam rifle is pretty accurate to lore
versed helm
Yes
remote spruce
moar spartans should be sniped though
versed helm
By the way
The beam rifle doesn't fire plasma
The Type-50 SRS is a battery-powered directed energy weapon that fires hydrogen gas in a beam of accelerated particles at its targets.
The focus rifle fires plasma
If anything does
versed helm
Oh wait hold on spart_n
I've got an outdated and slightly dodgy source for you
Please take what you might read with a grain of salt
proud quail
heck, the scar-H is made of current space material too
proud quail
god you can feel the dodginess
versed helm
Is that it's A) Frankie so it's gonna be strange
B) Bungie so it's gonna make no sense
And C) Old so 343 might be ignoring it
proud quail
8-9 pounds
wait hold on i think i misread something on halopedia
oh, yeah, i did
i love reading dual measurements
8-9 pounds for the standard infantryman rifle sounds like hell
versed helm
🤷
I just assume UNSC troops are drilled to hell and back with it.
And, y'know, UNSC troops have to put up with fighting in heavier gravity sometimes
remote spruce
backpack bois in Reach with those guns
versed helm
So they've probably got different tolerances
proud quail
for comparison, M16A4 is 7-8 lbs
versed helm
I am aware
proud quail
then again there's probably a reason we dont see UNSC marines full kitted out i guess
unless it's halo CEA anyway
proud quail
it works by stabbing you
versed helm
EXCEPT THIS TIME IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF HEAVY MAGIC
AND NOT A LOT OF LITTLE MAGIC LIKE A SHIP WOULD HAVE
proud quail
imagine having a blunt melee weapon, but you decide to attach a bayonet on it
versed helm
It's just a cutty side and a smashy side
Not exactly a foreign concept
Anyway
Speaking of kitted out Marines
At first I was pretty happy with the Marines from the Infinite announce trailer
But these days they trigger me more every time I look at them
Like first point, no pouches. C'mon dudes, why not?
Why are Halo 2 Marines still like the best Marines for pouches?
And I don't mean H2A I mean H2 Classic
proud quail
maybe the pouches arent rendered on the models yet
versed helm
Eye screens are objectively aesthetic as heck
And yet they've been so neglected
Like can we please just have eye screens
Does anyone second me on this?
proud quail
i think you already know my stance on the marines. if you dont; i don't like them.
versed helm
You like the H3 bois right?
proud quail
mac CE's but halo 3's a close second, specifically the short sleeve models
proud quail
i wish we capitalized on mac CE's clip on armour plates
proud quail
but i think microsoft release gave them an actual throwover and retrospectively it's...okay?
sacred dew
U ever wondered how long it took the forerunners to build onyx
proud quail
definitely lost potential but its whatever
versed helm
Whaddaya mean by "clip-on" tho
proud quail
the CE flak vest (no armour) has these weird blue things that i gandered a guess as being clips
or magnets or whatever
proud quail
yeah
if you watch that one screenshot with the Mac CE marines, their armour doesnt have the side plates that connects to the back
versed helm
General Atkinson: "Spartan 3's are better than Spartan 2's Changs My Mind"
proud quail
so when microsoft's release came about the design changed from magnets/clips into soft armour underneath and the armour overlapping
versed helm
That is certainly pretty neat
My biggest gripe with the CE armour is that it just looks a little flimsy
Obviously a product of the time but y'know
Halo 2 - my current favourite - just escapes that somehow.
Like there's less of it but what's there looks solid
proud quail
i like the slapped-on look
versed helm
Without being overbearing
proud quail
it works with the context
stable schooner
Reach Marine Guy, though theirs only a few ammo Pouches
versed helm
I honestly dont remember how the reach marines looked Halo 3 marines, their design is ingrained in my head
proud quail
it's the only halo game where you have no variation outside of faces, voice and gender
remote spruce
pouch person
no pouch person
and sarge hat
stable schooner
CE marines had no variation what you mean plus Halo 2 had Dress marines on Cairo and ODSTs on Delta Halo
proud quail
that was the infinity
sacred dew
Yep it' was even refited for operation red flag
remote spruce
Halo 2 marine variation consisted of pouches and no pouches
proud quail
started off as noah's ark, then plot happened, then more plot happened
versed helm
No, after the PoA was refitted for RED FLAG it got like a new reactor and MAC configuration
That at the time was top of the line and allowed reasonable rapid fire
proud quail
CE marines had variation, though
stable schooner
Some Halo 2 marines have no shoulder pads or helmets either
sacred dew
Yes thats the refit
versed helm
That's what I've been saying, richard
proud quail
you had armour, no armour-long sleeves, no armour-short sleeves, no headgear, head wrap, cap, boonie hat
remote spruce
no armor
armor
hatsssss
versed helm
I think overall aesthetic is much more important than variations
remote spruce
oh shoot there were sleeve differences?
proud quail
yeah
stable schooner
All armored CE Marines were the same gear. Weaker No armor Marines actually had variations
versed helm
Actual soldiers don't tend to have whacky variations of their uniforms
sacred dew
Okay sorry
versed helm
I honestly really like the design of the banished
versed helm
A uniform is a uniform 🤷
proud quail
the greatest theme
remote spruce
i don't get why Assault on the Control Room didn't have that
proud quail
i think i saw some fan art where someone dialed it up even more and gave an ODST no sleeves and a shemagh
which would've made no sense if he deployed on AotCR so i'll have to assume he doesnt even go there lmao
found it, it was the first strike cast, but close enough
remote spruce
back when ODSTs were just marines with a patch
remote spruce
Locklear shouldn't have died >: (
versed helm
Locklear deserves to live I started to like him in the end he grew on me
Unfortunately
War takes no heed of who deserves what
feral perch
And Bungie takes no heed of other people's characters
versed helm
Nah
Just some specialist ones
The SII edgelord teams spring to mind - black and grey
And it stands to reason that there'd be a lot of specialist SIV teams given how many of them there are and the postwar environment
But many are just sorta general-use unconventional units
If you need a force multiplier or something cheeki done, send em in
Not a lot of things Spartans can't do
With the right equipment
gilded mason
Can they see why kids love the taste of cinnamon toast crunch?
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The taste you can see
Btw, how do you think the Covenant would survive in the destiny universe
Dont they just need to zap the ghosts
gilded mason
Yup
terse lava
The game lore makes no sense
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Whoever wins we lose
feral perch
Could the Hive be philosophically corrupted?
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Actually a better question I guess would be could the covenant claim the moon from the hive