i mean you also were running with the gun aimed
not that the first person model made it clear, cause it didn't
#lore-and-universe
remote spruce
terse lava
Yeah I simply hold that the evade armor ability is just natural rather than an actual armor ability
We have instances of them Dodge in and evading the reason it is an armor ability is likely for Game play
remote spruce
Army Troopers carrying armor lock and i'm like, judging by those dead bodies, it didn't help, nor was it used at all
terse lava
Maybe
sudden shuttle
yeah
proud quail
you never punched the floor to generate an energy aura around you?
dumb AI, probably?
barren niche
I remember this conversation with Donk
proud quail
i never figured the armour abilities had any proper lore going on with them
barren niche
I thought it was the extra energy or something science mumbo jumbo.
stoic hamlet
For Spartan time, it’s not slow motion, I mean, it technically is, I guess.
But I liken it more to RDR’s Deadeye.
It’s not like they flip a switch and things go slow mo.
To them it’s like slow motion
But to us it would just be them moving very, very fast
barren niche
Run fast x2
stoic hamlet
Super speed?
You mean Sprint?
Or is this a H5 AA?
Ah.
I don’t know tbh
Probably that’s what Reach Sprint is, maybe? The lore reason is the same.
That’s my guess
terse lava
Not a.bad idea
barren niche
Well I think the armour and augmentations have advanced enough where they can run faster without risk of injury. Then again cheif runs when the covies start glassing something
In halo 2
stoic hamlet
IV’s have the weakest augmentations of the three classes, with II’s and III’s being equal
Their armour compensates for that
But they would definitely still injure themselves, The Hermes armour description mentions its only really useable by II’s and III’s.
stable schooner
But just to be Sure a Gen 2 wearing Spartan 2 stomps a Spartan 4 right
barren niche
Plus they’re adults and not kids with years worth of train and ethically questionable science enhancements
stoic hamlet
IIRC A IV in GEN2 is equal to a II/III in GEN1 strength wise.
That’s why the augs are weaker. They’d die if they got the III augments
stoic hamlet
Most people don’t consider that a canon fight tbh
The fight happened
But not the way it was portrayed
barren niche
Maybe we get someone from #471727324895641651 to make us the real fight
terse lava
You know I wonder, will 343 ever address the sangheili commando chief fought on ascendant justice
barren niche
Meh
stoic hamlet
I don’t see why they need too, tbh
proud quail
god, "spartan time"
terse lava
Well if I recall he was.originally supposed to be thel, then that major in the package was supposed to be thel
proud quail
it still seems and sounds like a total rip off of bullet time from max payne
stoic hamlet
When did Max Payne release?
proud quail
july 23rd, 2001
stoic hamlet
Also, you’re referring to Spartan time right? Being the rip off.
stoic hamlet
I mean, I don’t think it is.
proud quail
so everyone ripped him off
barren niche
The whole seeing things slow mow schtick has been around for a while before that
proud quail
because iirc the whole slow-mo bullet time schtick was him
terse lava
Slow mo is older then halo
stoic hamlet
Again, it’s not slow motion
barren niche
Well for us Laymen it is. Lol
stoic hamlet
It’s perceived as that by the Spartans
terse lava
Close enough, my.jnowledge lies with covenant lore
barren niche
Yeah, its a relative slow mo to the person seeing it
stoic hamlet
But to us (is being like, if we were acidly watching them) they’re moving absurdly fast
barren niche
@terse lava tell that to the Covenant
proud quail
yeah but that's how slow mo effects are usually used to perceive; the protagonist person is moving faster than the other bad guys
stoic hamlet
It’s like how in, V for Vendetta, that final fight, he’s moving at regular speed but everyone else is slow.
Reverse that and that’s how it would look to a Spartan.
The Spartan would be a blink to us, but to them they’re moving at regular speed..
terse lava
Yea
barren niche
Its like over the hedge when the squirrel drinks an energy drink
proud quail
which is what i said, that's how slo mo effects are usually used for; protagonist person moves faster than the bad guys
stoic hamlet
I can’t actually think of a moment where one died in a fair fight
barren niche
Were it so easy
terse lava
Thel lodamee fought one
stoic hamlet
Every Spartan has died in either ambush, overwhelming odds, or explosions
proud quail
spartans never die unless it's plot convenient and creates some sort of dramatic attachment from the audience to the spartan
stoic hamlet
But John didn’t die, nor is he a good duelist to begin with
terse lava
And implied.hendought the one guarding halsey
barren niche
Well, killing a Spartan was considered a big deal to the Convenant
They called them demons after all
stoic hamlet
Shiela was shot, IIRC, not killed via swords
terse lava
Neve said it was swords
proud quail
i dont think anyone knows much about halsey's bodyguard outside the fact she's dead
stoic hamlet
We know who she was and when she died
terse lava
And by whom
proud quail
:^T
terse lava
Thel with the sword, in the dining room
barren niche
I don’t know about this
sonic ridge
Like 3 Spartans die in halo legends
barren niche
D:
stable schooner
Yeah I think it’s lame an Elite hasn’t beaten an Spartan in fair combat Yet.
gilded mason
I'd think a sword duel is a fair fight.
stable schooner
True, killed a Spartan in a fair fight. Though I think Emile not noticing an elite walking up behind him made him fair game
sonic ridge
How does gravity work on the rings
gilded mason
Rotation, I imagine
sacred dew
Thel stalemated an Spartan 2 in the cope protocol
Well said Spartan was in a hurry to get out because he had places to be
terse lava
Still
sacred dew
Yep it's reason the ring destroyed it self after the autumn blow it was spinning in different directions basically ripped it self apart
stoic hamlet
A Spartan is superior to an Elite in speed and strength, of course one hasn’t beaten one in a fair fight.
It’d be like saying “I wish a random guy on the street could beat a professional fencer.”
Sorry that came off as snarky, didn’t intend for it to be.
Some have come close, to be sure
But in a 1v1 duel a Spartan would likely win aside from extenuating circumstances
gilded mason
Doesn't seem to be totally uniform, considering things like Thel 'Lodamee's sword fight, and the SoS Elites in Hunters in the Dark being able to jump across the gap better than the Spartans.
stoic hamlet
I mean, jumping a gap doesn’t mean they’re stronger or faster
It simply means they can jump farther
terse lava
And the duel?
stoic hamlet
(Which seems kind of odd, tbh, aren’t elite usually bad at jumping?)
You mean the 1v1 between John and Thel?
IIRC it was mentioned the fights in legends aren’t canon accurate portrayals
terse lava
Also you're thinking ladder climbing
terse lava
That was on origins
gilded mason
N’tho moved back from the gap, just as Kodiak and Holt had, and started to run. His muscular saurian legs pumped with a fierceness that they had yet to see, accelerating at an astonishing rate. Even Kodiak had to admit that the Elite’s speed would easily carry him across.
terse lava
Everything else, besides. 1337 was canon
stoic hamlet
The events are canon, how they were portrayed isn’t.
gilded mason
I really don't see any reason why Thel couldn't legitimately win a duel with John.
stoic hamlet
In a sword fight?
gilded mason
Yeah
stoic hamlet
He probably could
terse lava
Wort
stoic hamlet
In an actual 1v1 fight to the death where John wasn’t using just a sword? No way.
Spartans don’t fight fair, that’s now how they’re trained.
That’s why they win usually. They always fight dirty.
warm ridge
Spartans were trainned to use every advantage they can get, even if it means not fighting fair.
stoic hamlet
That and their speed and strength
warm ridge
Elites were trained to fight for honor, and honorably. Usually fighting fair.
terse lava
Mhm
warm ridge
Brutes are kinda like the Spartans, they don't fight fair at all. They fight in packs.
sonic ridge
literally glasses dozens of planets filled with billions of innocent people
stoic hamlet
We’ve seen it dozens of times before
sonic ridge
“Nothing personnel kid”
stoic hamlet
Elites fight very specifically, and Spartans routinely take advantage.
Headhunters for example
That flat out says it.
sacred dew
You know rtas is a Jedi
sonic ridge
It’s over truth, I have the highground.
warm ridge
@sonic ridge
literally nova bombs an entire Covenant home world killing billions after the Human-Covenant war ended
"Nothing personal, we just didn't know that's all."
sonic ridge
Lmao who did that
stoic hamlet
I mean tbf
terse lava
Gray team
warm ridge
gray team
stoic hamlet
Justified
gilded mason
Gray Team, by accident, sorta
sonic ridge
Who’s grey team
gilded mason
As in, if they had more info, they wouldn't have
terse lava
Yep
stoic hamlet
they thought Earth was glass and he War was lost
sacred dew
Spartan2s from the book halo envoy
warm ridge
@stoic hamlet They actually did, but were told to not send out any communications what so ever and wait for orders from ONI.
ONI never sent them a message or anything, ever
stoic hamlet
They probably didn’t receive any
But had messages sent
We know how bad comms were for the UNSC
stoic hamlet
The UNSC doesn’t have instantaneous communications until post war
warm ridge
Most human colonies already knew the human-covenant war ended in little under a month dude lol
stoic hamlet
Messages take time to send and receive
warm ridge
that's wrong 100%
sacred dew
They had no ftl communication
sonic ridge
They do take time
gilded mason
Nope, no messages were sent. On purpose.
That would be a bit of a major yikes. Was that definitively said anywhere?
stoic hamlet
And Prowlers are supposed to remain comm-Silent when on ops
sonic ridge
In halo 5 buck says that
It would take like a month for messages to be received between him and his like wife or gf
warm ridge
@gilded mason as far as we know a section of ONI sent them on a mission for "vengeance" so I'm 100% sure no messages were sent on purpose.
warm ridge
read up on it here https://www.halopedia.org/Operation:_SUNSPEAR
stoic hamlet
It was to eliminate Covenant leadership behind enemy lines
warm ridge
dude, yes it was @stoic hamlet
warm ridge
"Gray Team was selected to launch a covert penetration of Covenant space, with the goal of eliminating as many of the Covenant military's Sangheili leaders as possible and to target one of their worlds for destruction via a NOVA bomb."
sacred dew
No it was not they were stranded had communications they had a vote proceed with the mission or not
sonic ridge
The prologue and first chapter of hunters in the dark didn’t really do much for me to keep me engaged
stoic hamlet
Condition Endgame was only to be used in the event Earth fell.
feral perch
^^^^^
stoic hamlet
As far as they knew, it was gone
warm ridge
in which they had no idea if Earth was gone or not.
stoic hamlet
Wow autocorrect, lol
warm ridge
They literally left Earth before the Covenant ever attacked it lol
stoic hamlet
They had all reason to assume
terse lava
@sonic ridgegets better as the book goes on
warm ridge
btw "I have the book with me" isn't enough evidence to suggest you really know what your talking about btw. Saying that honestly proves nothing to anyone here @stoic hamlet
feral perch
The last transmission they received told them that Reach had fallen and the Covenant had found Earth.
stoic hamlet
ONI sent them a communique informing them (and all other UNSC forces) that Earth was under assault
Gimme a sec
sonic ridge
That’s good then
sacred dew
So what would you do get pay back or lay down and die
sonic ridge
I’m hoping it’s like the thanquol trilogy
feral perch
pay back
sonic ridge
Although actually I think thanquols doom was entirely from his perspective
sacred dew
A wise decision
terse lava
@sonic ridgehave not read that but I felt it was a good book. Adds good personality to the character's
gilded mason
A wise decision
I wouldn't call it "wise", really.
sonic ridge
Thanquol is warhammer
terse lava
Ah ok
stoic hamlet
warm ridge
did you literally not read what I just said?
feral perch
oh wow, your copy is in better condition than mine lol
warm ridge
no one really cares if you have the book or not, it doesn't prove if you really know what your talking about lol
sonic ridge
If you ever want to read a book about a crazy rat wizard getting hundreds killed they’re the books you want
Is not halo tho
terse lava
Odd
feral perch
Person wants a screenshot of the page with the dialogue that proves your point.
sonic ridge
We can’t send photos
warm ridge
I literally could just source Halopedia directly lol
feral perch
We can DM.
warm ridge
"The Vacuna ferried its elite team into deep space, facing numerous communications blackouts with the UNSC as they sought out their primary objectives. Finally, word arrived that the Covenant had found and invaded Earth. ONI initiated Operation Endgame, clearing Gray Team to deploy the NOVA bomb at their earliest disposal before losing contact."
stoic hamlet
Ah, alright, that’ll take a bit
feral perch
Book itself > Halopedia
warm ridge
Halopedia sources from the book 😉
feral perch
But some things go wrong in translation, occasionally.
stoic hamlet
Again though, you’re only proving my points by quoting that
warm ridge
I can already read what it says lol, you'll just find the exact same thing.
stoic hamlet
Lol
warm ridge
@stoic hamlet what do you think I'm saying?
sacred dew
Hey now all they knew was that earth may have fallen and even if the had defended earth the covenant would have sent more there prospective
stoic hamlet
^
sacred dew
Its all about prospective
warm ridge
Gray team couldn't really contact the UNSC at all due to not being in UNSC space, along with the many communication black outs likely from the Coveant destroying the many different satellite antenna's that boosted communications across the UNSC worlds.
stoic hamlet
By your own quote (from Halopedia) they had no comms. Something you said they did.
warm ridge
Gray team couldn't really contact the UNSC at all due to not being in UNSC space, along with the many communication black outs likely from the Coveant destroying the many different satellite antenna's that boosted communications across the UNSC worlds.
stoic hamlet
By your own quote (from Halopedia) they had no comms. Something you said they did.
....which is what I said
warm ridge
they did have comms dude, but the last transmission they received was ONI initiating operation end game. That's it.
along with specifically being told to not send out any transmissions at all.
sonic ridge
End game you say
With a snap of the finger and boomthey destroyed a planet
Did it get turned to dust
terse lava
...you know, when you think of it that way...
sacred dew
U just said they didn't
warm ridge
being attacked, not necessarily glassed. It could've went one way or another.
feral perch
What I thought was weird was the remorse.
sonic ridge
They attacc, they protecc, but most importantly they glass.
stoic hamlet
At any rate, they mad no idea the war was over, no communications were received
feral perch
I know Denning made Chief feel some slight remorse in Silent Storm (but he banished it) but I just didn't think it made a lot of sense in Envoy.
sonic ridge
Why did thecovenant decide to war with humans
stoic hamlet
Either because ONI never sent any (I don’t think so) or because they simply never got the order to stand down.
warm ridge
does it say when they received there last transmission from ONI anywhere?
gilded mason
Why did thecovenant decide to war with humans
High Prophets didn't want the 'truth' to get out
stoic hamlet
I don’t believe it does
stoic hamlet
But the last transmission they received was to imitate Endgame
terse lava
For the death of the covenant civilians? @feral perch
stoic hamlet
Yeah
gilded mason
That apparently ascendance wasn't a for-sure thing, since from what they could tell, humans were left behind after the previus Great Journey.
stoic hamlet
He felt remorse
sonic ridge
I bet mr king of Kong voiced truth
stoic hamlet
For a moment
terse lava
The prophets thought humanity were left behind forerunners
sonic ridge
Alright
stoic hamlet
Similar to how he felt remorse over the dockworkers in TFoR
feral perch
Right.
sonic ridge
So they thought humanity was a remnant of the forerunners leftover
stoic hamlet
It wasn’t “I feel bad” it was more “that sucks”
terse lava
@sonic ridgeyes
sonic ridge
How did all of these species come to be after the rings were activated
warm ridge
The Prophets thought the Humans were Forerunners who got left behind for there "disobedience" of being Heretics.
sonic ridge
And what was the point when the flood is sill around
They were supposed to starve to death
terse lava
@sonic ridgeconsevstion measures by the forerunners
sonic ridge
Did the forerunners create the flood
gilded mason
No
sonic ridge
How did it come to be
feral perch
Gray Team losing cohesion over a decision that Spartans who fought against the Covenant for almost thirty years shouldn't have had a problem with is a little melodramatic. But, on the other hand, they were deep behind enemy lines most of the time. They may not have witnessed as many atrocities and genocidal acts as the other Spartans.
warm ridge
It wasn't until Medicant Bias truly told them the truth and even attempted to launch the Key ship, tearing it from High Charity. Of course at the time this would've broke High Charity in many areas, they simply sought to disable MB's control over the Keyships engines.
versed helm
Precursors created them
versed helm
A very strong AI
warm ridge
How much halo lore do you know btw? @sonic ridge
versed helm
and Precursors are basically the gods of Halo
sonic ridge
Not much
gilded mason
Gray Team losing cohesion over a decision that Spartans who fought against the Covenant for almost thirty years shouldn't have had a problem with is a little melodramatic.
I mean, they did find out they murdered millions of innocent people for no reason.
sonic ridge
Have you seen the meme where it’s about people fighting over halo lore and then it’s halo 3 players who never read lore
That’s me
versed helm
Halopedia is the best source for Halo lore @sonic ridge
warm ridge
are you trying to get into the lore by any chance? @sonic ridge
sonic ridge
Yea
feral perch
People who were part of the war by association. But that's just my opinion.
gilded mason
That's quite the take
warm ridge
I'd start by going to Halopedia, and buying the books to.
feral perch
Nice sarcasm.
sonic ridge
I got first strike that I never finished and hunters inthe dark I started
And contact harvest I think
I’ve had it like 7 years and I never read it
feral perch
I wouldn't say it was for no reason. One world is almost nothing weighed against countless worlds glassed by the Covenant.
versed helm
If you got any questions, we can usually answer them
sonic ridge
Okay
terse lava
Yep, halopedia would work best for your lore hunger
gilded mason
I wouldn't say it was for no reason. One world is almost nothing weighed against countless worlds glassed by the Covenant.
As in, the war was over. They had no reason no kill them.
feral perch
The war wasn't over for them, though. That was part of the contention.
They couldn't know.
sacred dew
Question what do you guys think about the precursor ai
gilded mason
I know, I mean afterwards
versed helm
what precursor AI?
terse lava
Pretty poweful i would say to gold the domain
sacred dew
Abadon
sonic ridge
Abaddon the armless
feral perch
I would have been more convinced if they were more embarrassed/worried about the repercussions, than a moral regret.
gilded mason
Eh
sacred dew
Aboddan the door keeper
feral perch
I do like how it set them up, though, frozen in the clutches of a vengeful Shipmaster.
gilded mason
Moral regret makes 'em less awful. If it wasn't for that, I'd probably just write them off.
feral perch
You don't like Gray Team?
gilded mason
I'm fine with 'em for the most part.
feral perch
Or you like Sangheili so much that you dislike what the writer made them do?
versed helm
Grey team is badass
terse lava
They are ok I guess
gilded mason
But if they didn't have moral regret, I wouldn't.
versed helm
Mantle mouth
terse lava
Mantle mouth?
feral perch
I'd like to see Gray Team appear in a game.
versed helm
Split lip
terse lava
Hm
versed helm
Hm
sacred dew
Well the elites were geniciding Willy nilly without a care in the world killing billions and Are still love vs some confused boys who made a mistake and are hated by all🤔
versed helm
What
sacred dew
Grey team
gilded mason
Could you rephrase that?
sonic ridge
The covenant*
versed helm
It's all personal opinion really
sonic ridge
I am the Lorax I speak for the trees
Glass my planet and I’ll break your knees
versed helm
neat
sacred dew
The elites were geniciding humans and only stopped because it was a lie and grey team kills one planet under extreme circumstances and are the badguys
sonic ridge
It was the covenant
sacred dew
That better
gilded mason
Who said Gray Team were the bad guys?
sacred dew
Just some in the community not that much but comparing them is weird
terse lava
Eh, I dislike them all
sonic ridge
Squidward here
terse lava
Not one team over another
versed helm
Ado, do you not like the IIs?
terse lava
I played ce, read the books but never really got attached.to them as others do
stable schooner
Nah Arbiter is a War Criminal who destroyed humans but also saved Humanity
versed helm
Locke was targeted with killing Arbiter when he was an Agent for ONI
gilded mason
I played ce, read the books but never really got attached.to them as others do
Same
feral perch
I can't be the only one who finds that completely laughable, Olive.
terse lava
Then again, I didn't read reach until.around the time halo 2came.out
versed helm
I'm only attatched to Red Team, out of all the Spartans
terse lava
Fair enough
sonic ridge
For Spartans I only care about chief and Emile
versed helm
Wym? @feral perch
terse lava
I guess to me they were...boring?
gilded mason
Indeed
feral perch
I'm attached to most of the IIs, tbh.
sonic ridge
Tfw Emile had ear pods in and didn’t hear the elite sneak up on him
feral perch
I mean, really? Locke? Some ONI agent is going to assassinate the Supreme Commander of a Covenant fleet?
sonic ridge
Ye
gilded mason
lol that
terse lava
Well there was that 1 book where human snuck into high charity
stable schooner
Sweet spot for Spartan 2s but prefer Elites and Brutes
versed helm
They did it for plot... Duh
terse lava
Somehow
gilded mason
That didn't make much sense to me
feral perch
I like Brutes... to an extent.
versed helm
I'm intruiged by how strong they are
feral perch
I really want to see some sympathetic Brutes for once. So far, the closest we have is Pavium.
stable schooner
Tartarus is my second favorite character in Halo 2
gilded mason
Lydus was his name, right?
feral perch
He was less of a character and more of a story prop
terse lava
@gilded mason Correct
versed helm
I personally like Red Team, mostly for how young they are for Spartan IIs
terse lava
@versed helm If you met the brutes one was strong enough to pin the chief to the ground and almost choke him to death
sudden shuttle
they are young because they've been asleep for 30 years.
in reality they should be 40
versed helm
Any brute can do that
terse lava
Well was not sure if that's what you meant
versed helm
Biologically they are around 20
But i mean, a Brute can take a full AR Mag to the face, and still fight just fine afterwards, and that's Canon
terse lava
Yeah
versed helm
insane
feral perch
Some Brutes. Fred put one down with an AR mag to the face in GoO.
terse lava
But it took time
stable schooner
Number 1 thing I like about Brutes is their Loyalty
versed helm
I would assume all Brutes can Physically out perform a spartan
Brutes? Loyalty?
Elites are more Loyal IMO
stable schooner
The Prelates Brutes, Tartarus and Truth. Not really the Brutes are called the Covenant loyalists for a reason
terse lava
I believe the minister of discovery in wages of sin short story put it best in regards to loyalty " one not need to worry about what the sangheili would do then worry of the stars or come out at night"
stable schooner
They absolutely believed in the Prophets and the Great Journey and have Loyalty to their Pack. Some Brutes like the Chieftain on the Ark even show Honor.
stable schooner
That isn’t true at all. Many Brutes believed in The Great Journey. Tartarus even says his faith is Strong
gilded mason
and Religion, Brutes not so much
I think it was Broken Circle that talked about Brutes more readily accepting the Covenant religion.
versed helm
Cricle
gilded mason
shush
terse lava
Yes but the same time they do things far worse than any other covenant species
Saint bungie say they were.loke the barbarians of rome?
versed helm
What is it Sangheili thinks Spartans are?
terse lava
Holy crap the lag
stable schooner
Germanic Barbarians were also known to be loyal to their Tribes and People
versed helm
Some like Reincarnation thingy
terse lava
They thought Spartans Were undead humans
versed helm
Yea, that
terse lava
And according to broken circle at least one high counselor considered the master chief truly unkillable
versed helm
Does Thel think that now? Or Sangheili who are Allies with Earth?
feral perch
Ah hah, I remember that line.
terse lava
Doubt they do
gilded mason
Does Thel think that now? Or Sangheili who are Allies with Earth?
I really doubt it
terse lava
With think at worst they would be uneasy around Spartan group
versed helm
They are called Demons for a reason, And Atriox called Red Team "Little Demons", Any idea why the little part?
feral perch
He was huge.
terse lava
Sarcasm he had just found out they were merely men
gilded mason
Just as an insult
versed helm
Sangheili had respect with it, true
terse lava
As I thought nothing but a man
versed helm
Yea, he wrecked douglas
Apparently, Alice is supposed to be one of the most efficient Spartans at killing
terse lava
Odd
versed helm
And was ok with being taken hostage and kidnapped
terse lava
Odder still
versed helm
Yea, Alice looked forward to training, and never tried to escape
One thing that still confuses me, What does it mean they're washouts? did just nothing happen? did they almost die?
terse lava
Yep
versed helm
Do we know how they brung them back to life?
feral perch
It's not confirmed that they died.
We don't know what "washed out" specifically means.
versed helm
it sucks they aren’t really mentioned outside the HW games and a couple comics
sonic ridge
If I want to learn about the gravemind from 2/3 do I just search gravemind or does it have a specific name
versed helm
just search the gravemind
sonic ridge
Okay
feral perch
Every Gravemind is the same Gravemind in a sense.
versed helm
Basically, yea
versed helm
There are different ones, but all have the same goal per se
If the flood can establish a Gravemind, you’re kinda screwed
feral perch
It's interesting how the Gravemind committed everything to the fight at the Ark.
Why couldn't it have sent a few Flood infested ships to various places across the galaxy to establish a strong foothold prior to taking its main bulk to the Ark?
terse lava
Figured he'd Have a better chance with Everything
feral perch
Only High Charity went, though. Did Gravemind really only have one Covenant battlecruiser at his disposal?
terse lava
Last we saw of him he returned to the Ark.k with mendicant bias
stable schooner
I mean their was a fleet of hundreds around High Charity
terse lava
@feral perch Everything else was destroyed by the Quarantinentin fleet
feral perch
So it seems.
terse lava
He did survive either way thanks to the new halo wrong. Just back to a large proto gravemind
...which was odd. Why build a whole.new.one outside when the flood were releases
stable schooner
How did High Charity Avoid the Ships still on Quarantine around it to get to the Ark
terse lava
Jumped with precursor tech
versed helm
OB i assume cant be Logic plagued
terse lava
I guess, he commented to bornsteller that after receiving a.message from mendicant, he went with the forerunners
Rather rhen defect
sonic ridge
I’d already read some of this up
For some reason I thought how the flood came to be was the infested in warframe
Turned into dust but were dust so long they got the red ring
Gonna take more than a damp towel to fix that
versed helm
They are basically Made up by the precursors to relinquish hell to the universe
sonic ridge
How did the outbreak in ce start then
Did some powder get wet or something
It didn’t really go into specifics
sonic ridge
F
gilded mason
That's pretty rude to say, Thel.
wintry coral
Jk
sonic ridge
I feel like the flood is inspired at least partly by the thing
versed helm
MA5Beast
wintry coral
@sonic ridge The Infection Forms were inspired by those Facehuggers or whatever those things were from Alien
sonic ridge
Idk why you’d even keep samples of the flood
sonic ridge
They seem kinda inspired by that one scene in the thing too
versed helm
See
sonic ridge
Yea
versed helm
That's the big question about the Flood that always gets me
sonic ridge
With the head that grows legs
versed helm
And I try to find explanations
versed helm
Well yeah, the Flood are based on the science-horror notion of the bio-recombinator
sonic ridge
I might look into these comics
versed helm
They're in the same boat as necromorphs and the Thing and a bunch of other stuff
All of which are vaguely similar
But yeah about why they kept samples at all
The two most compelling reasons I can think of is that the Forerunners steadfastly believed more Flood would return from outside the galaxy
Or that the Halo pulse and solvent couldn't possibly eliminate all the existing Flood
And I'm guessing it's a mixture of both
sonic ridge
If the rings were activated how did these people survive
versed helm
Like the Halo pulse kills sentient life
But not all Flood forms are sentient
Flood infectors are - I believe immune to a Halo's pulse.
sonic ridge
Didact and librarian
gilded mason
Or rather, have nervous systems
sonic ridge
But she’s in 4
gilded mason
She's an AI
versed helm
Shield worlds block the pulse of the Halo arrays
sonic ridge
Oh
versed helm
Slipspace
wintry coral
@versed helm Dang I was about to say that lol
wintry coral
Maybe that explains why there were Flood on the Shield World in Halo Wars 1, unless the Covenant broke containment there too
versed helm
Right, Etran Harbourage.
Yeah. It had an exterior face and an interior face
Presumably some Flood were chillin' on the interior
But weren't able to attain complete control
I'm guessing they were fighting a sort of guerilla war with the sentinels
A little like on 05
When it comes to the Forerunners the question is probably more "why not"
Tbh
Like it might even be "our doors just come pre-packaged with tractor beams"
wintry coral
Or maybe to destroy Flood ships like what happened to the Dawn in Halo 4; just tearing it apart
True
Destroys a good amount though
versed helm
I can see a tractor beam being helpful for rescue and capture
wintry coral
Oh crap
I just realized that it doesn’t tear ships apart
The Infinity wasn’t torn apart
versed helm
The Infinity is also pretty stronk and has Forerunner systems.
wintry coral
I guess so
versed helm
Well, the reason the FuD got sucked in is because the Didact was exerting limited control over Requiem, right?
wintry coral
Yeah
versed helm
So he probably just wanted to get the reclaimer he'd detected inside Requiem
And didn't have the patience to set the tractor beam to "gentle"
wintry coral
Just so that the Reclaimer could release him
sonic ridge
F Johnson
wintry coral
Yes
wintry coral
Yes
versed helm
Still desperate to see more weapons and stuff.
I'm so curious to see what they'll go with, especially from a lore point of view.
wintry coral
I really want Playable Elites in Infinite
versed helm
Well, here's hoping.
terse lava
It can
versed helm
ArMiGeRs ArE sEnTiNeLs
terse lava
It has authority to send construction yard plabrtsidento build more sentinels and other robots
versed helm
All Forerunner brobots are sentinels
sonic ridge
If didact dead why do prometheans still attacc
sonic ridge
Why’s she making them attack chief
versed helm
Actually that's mostly the Warden Eternal
It's a bit complicated
But Prometheans have fought humans because A) they were defending Requiem, B) the Didact was in charge, C) the Didact wanted them to work with Jul M'dama so they continued to after his death, and then D) IsoCortana and Warden Eternal funtimes.
wintry coral
Cortana should’ve just gotten rid of Warden way before the final cutscene in The Breaking, since Warden refused to stop sending Prometheans and trying to kill Blue Team himself
Nah
versed helm
Well if your definition of fun times is an ancient Forerunner brobot getting all jealous of his new E-girl and having his bois try and shank the most deadly soldiers in galactic history
sonic ridge
Why do you fight like 70 wardens
wintry coral
If you don’t know the Warden Skip, he’s a big pain on Legendary during the 3 Warden Fight
versed helm
But you don't fight all of them at once because he's trying to be sneeki
sonic ridge
It’s like the meme where you kill aboss for it to regain its health and go into a second form
sonic ridge
But it’s not a different form and happens like 40 times
sonic ridge
Ye
versed helm
The Warden Fights are trash
wintry coral
Yes they are
sonic ridge
Im just saying
They coulda spent less time on warden fights and more time on playable elites
versed helm
Hindsight is 20/20
wintry coral
You mean the Warden doesn’t always take the form of his H5 Appearance?
versed helm
I dunno where he's getting that from
I think we're having a Donk moment
Just because he has 200 tiny pieces doesn't mean they all fit together in different ways
They're part of the same body but held together by gravitic engineering
Check yo privilege
sacred dew
Is the Cortana in halo 5 a fragment of the original I think I saw it in a comic tales from slipspace
versed helm
Think like
Cortana got broken in Halo 4
And then someone grabbed a few bits of Cortana
wintry coral
Who here thinks Cortana has the Logic Plague?
versed helm
And forged them into a new blade
wintry coral
I do
gilded mason
Nope
sacred dew
I do
versed helm
Anyway my point about new Cortana is that the new Cortana should be treated as Cortana and not a Cortana knock off
I'd suggest that since she was reconstructed by the Domain, which if anything can probably be seen as very computery, she should be seen as stable.
feral perch
She's just mean.
versed helm
I think that the desire to have her not be legitimate in some ways stems from a lack of empathy towards the existence of AI.
stable schooner
Oh boy here we go again
wintry coral
I asked this question earlier today, but is Auntie Dot still out there somewhere? Or has she gone through rampancy and is now dead?
versed helm
Like, she's come to believe that her people are the chosen ones, and she knows she and they can be effectively immortal.
versed helm
Like, that is a heck of a temptation to act in an immoral way
And truth be told, Cortana's never really struck me as someone who was in the fight for the good of humanity.
feral perch
Really?
versed helm
She cares about John and that manifested as selfish behaviour.
feral perch
I have a personal mental distinguisher between Cortana in 1-4, and Halo 5 Cortana. I see them as two distinct persons.
gilded mason
Same
versed helm
Have 343 not almost explicitly debunked that perspective?
It just strikes me as really immature.
And restrictive.
Just take a step back, see how it pans out, and then make judgements and headcanons.
feral perch
Oh well.
terse lava
H5 was just poorly done
humble yacht
343 have shown that it’s essentially the same Cortana
She’s just missing something she once had
feral perch
Halo 5 makes a lot of sense if you look at it like it's just another set of issues in Halo: Escalation.
humble yacht
And has replaced it with something else
versed helm
Right!
She's like a person who's undergone some tragedy.
She's the same person and it's unfair to pretend she isn't, but she has changed.
humble yacht
Unfortunately her new outlook is to the detriment of everyone else
terse lava
Yes
humble yacht
But she only cares about the end result, not the path to get there
feral perch
.. This is a fictional character, now. I can look at her any way I want.
versed helm
Well, I assume if we just submitted to Cortana it'd all end up okay.
terse lava
Halsey can create another Cortana
feral perch
bet
humble yacht
Cortana was making an assumption at that time
feral perch
"If Halsey lets them" lol
humble yacht
Even if Halsey went through the process again, there is no guarantee the result would be an AI like cortana
feral perch
There's no way ONI would let her.
versed helm
I think the reason why Cortana is perceived as evil from our perspective is partly irrational bias, partly MUH FREEDOM, and partly I think because in the Halo universe it's on pretty good authority that there's certainly existential threats who love to take advantage of what she's doing.
humble yacht
She probably wouldn’t do it even if they did
versed helm
And that last count is why having some vestige of Flood corruption would make a lot of sense.
What she's doing is setting the galaxy up so the Flood can knock it out of the park.
versed helm
Why not?
humble yacht
That would be the worst
versed helm
It makes perfect sense
humble yacht
It really doesnt
feral perch
Killing a lot of people on Meridian and elsewhere really doesn't make her sympathetic.
versed helm
Instead of saying that it doesn't, how about you say why
humble yacht
To me it’s a cheap cliched explanation to absolve her of sin
feral perch
because... killing a lot of innocent people as a means to your end.. is not good...
versed helm
Yes
But that's not really how fragments and splinters work
Just
Read Contact Harvest okay
Anyway
humble yacht
It doesn’t make any sense that the gravemind would be using her this way
The gravemind could not have planned for her to end up in the domain
That happened by accident
versed helm
Why does he need to have planned it?
feral perch
Looters, I disagree with your viewpoint, and I think Halo 4 Marines > Reach Marines
humble yacht
Because that’s how the logic plague works
The effected performs actions that promote the interest of the flood
versed helm
Alright, I'm gonna retcon a foolish earlier statement I made
feral perch
versed helm
The logic plague isn't something that's like "corruption", you can't have it and not know you have it.
terse lava
Like the didact, he thought he was.soing good but only created chaos for the forerunners
versed helm
It's literally just a way of saying "Gravy boi got into your head".
And if there's one thing Gravyboi did with Cortana, it's get into her head.
humble yacht
Yes but the big thing that goes against her having the plague is the fact that she fired the halo in H3
feral perch
gravy boi is my new name for Grave "Dan" Mind
humble yacht
No one infected with the plague would fire the ring
terse lava
If she had logic plague she would have kept chief from the index
humble yacht
Not against the flood
versed helm
Chimera, that's not really how people work. Like she's not just gonna immediately refuse to fire the ring and she clearly didn't come around to the Gravemind's side.
But over time
Her psyche is being eroded
humble yacht
The plague has never been shown to be latent like that
versed helm
And he planted ideas in her subconscious by torturing her. And some of those ideas may be manifesting
humble yacht
Everyone ever plagued immediately started acting weird after contracting it
Even didact
versed helm
But it does manifest differently
humble yacht
Yep
terse lava
He did
versed helm
And that's because you don't "contract it"
It's just a state of confusion
it's being out-reasoned and bamboozled by something that's way smarter than you
gilded mason
Feels like that would kinda wreck the strength she showed in resisting the Gravemind's torture she went through in Human Weakness and Halo 3, if it turns out she really did fail this whole time.
humble yacht
Logic plague in didact led him to denounce the rings and sow discord in the ecumene
terse lava
And take away their best military leadership, himself
versed helm
Look at her callous disregard for individual life, look at her means-justify-ends approach, look at the irrational way she handled Blue Team and chief.
feral perch
Was it irrational or very calculated?
humble yacht
Warden eternal expressed those same traits
terse lava
@versed helmthousands. Not millions
versed helm
I'm suggesting that Cortana as-is isn't a sleeper agent, isn't in some way corrupted, but in a psychological way she is susceptible should the Gravemind return
humble yacht
He’s not plagued or even rampant
feral perch
The whole thing with Blue Team and Warden Eternal seems like a charade, a theater production.
feral perch
I wouldn't be surprised if every fight was planned between the two of them so it would end up exactly how she wanted.
versed helm
Can I just be incredibly clear in stating that my firm belief is that the logic plague is literally just having your beliefs compromised
humble yacht
But the plague didn’t compromise didact’s beliefs
If anything, it made them greater
versed helm
Alright, redux.
humble yacht
Led to him outright refusing to use the halos because the mantle was about ruling, not killing
versed helm
It's a recontextualization of the world around you which depending on a variety of factors could have a variety of effects.
But there's nothing supernatural about it.
It's just the result of going up against something incomprehensible, timeless and way, waaaaaayyy smarter than you in a debate.
It will mess with your head in unpredictable ways.
humble yacht
It could, or maybe Chief saved her in time
versed helm
The revelation that Chief did not quite make it in time would not be cheap storytelling.
versed helm
Didn't she basically admit as much though at the time?
What were her first words to Chief?
humble yacht
So I wholeheartedly hope that there is no logic plague mention in Infinite
versed helm
The notion that she made it through her ordeal unscarred is a hope held by Chief and an inference held by us.
Doesn't make it ever set in stone.
sacred dew
Yes it did the didact beloved in the mantle and that no life should be exterminated the logic plague made him abondon his own beliefs and design the Prometheans a terrible idea that literally broke the mantle In it's own design that other forerunners even pointed it out
humble yacht
She got accelerated rampancy. She was hardly unscarred
versed helm
Well her rampancy was like obviously decelerated compared to other AIs
She wasn't stark raving mad as of eight years.
humble yacht
Didact used the composer for two reasons that were both influenced by the plague
- an alternative to fighting flood that didn’t involve killing all life
feral perch
Ehh, was it decelerated though? The AI on the Rubble, and Governer Sloan, both seemed to hold it together pretty well.
humble yacht
- punishment for the humans
versed helm
Well according to the UNSC, an AI becomes dangerous enough to kill after 7 years.
terse lava
Yes but they are limited
versed helm
Cortana was evidently not dangerously insane.
humble yacht
She was dangerous enough to put Chief’s life in danger more than once
terse lava
Have we seen actual proof that ai go chopping crazy after 7 years
versed helm
I'm just saying that the affair with the Gravemind probably didn't accelerate rampancy. If anything did, it was interaction with Forerunner systems.
But I'm doubtful.
humble yacht
Gravemind literally flooded her with data to accelerate rampancy
versed helm
Oh, well, nevermind then.
humble yacht
It said that in Human Weakness
sacred dew
Yeah they used the composer on an infected human guest what still infected and became a puddled
versed helm
I actually should probably re-read that. What I'm working off are very strong memories of the Gravemind undermining her views of the people around her.
terse lava
He tried
humble yacht
He did that too
versed helm
But granted it's a pretty grim read which I've been avoiding diving back into.
humble yacht
Magic
terse lava
She sid almost agree but ultimately told the grave mind to sawd off
versed helm
Magic being just a kinda bad-faith way of saying "we wouldn't understand".
humble yacht
No
terse lava
No
humble yacht
Composer is like a high power scan
sacred dew
For ai information is like air without it they die
humble yacht
So high power that it vaporizes you
And turns you into data
Your mind, body, it all becomes code
It similar to how the UNSC makes smart AI
sacred dew
The composer uses neutral physics so yes magic
terse lava
Everything
sacred dew
Basically the forerunners wanted to become necrons
humble yacht
No
terse lava
No
sacred dew
Yes
humble yacht
The original intent was to use the composers to make forerunners immortal
humble yacht
What’s a necron
versed helm
Shaddup
Wait hold up
Warhammer thing
Sorta sentient robots
Well some are sentient
humble yacht
:/
terse lava
Neurons, a race of organics thstbbecame sentient killer robots
sacred dew
Aka a digital form in a machine body cough necrons
terse lava
Think terminators
feral perch
Did the Forerunners try using asbestos though?
versed helm
Yeah well get good
humble yacht
The composer wasn’t originally meant to put forerunners into robot bodies
That was how the didact decided to use it during the war
versed helm
That is one of the clear applications though
More likely that the end result would've been functionally closer to Geth
humble yacht
Originally it was just meant to digitize forerunners for their trip into the domain
terse lava
Thought it was too younger bodies
versed helm
There are many potential applications of digitizing consciousness
The composer could have been useful for any of them
If it worked
humble yacht
It worked for everything except curing flood
sacred dew
No the didact used for mindless drones it was meant as to make them digital sorta like an ai
terse lava
Cursed parasite
versed helm
I'm sorry, did the non-infected Forerunners who were scanned not fail to be returned to a physical form?
Halo 4 basically states that directly
humble yacht
I don’t think they tried that with non infected people
sacred dew
Full immortality
versed helm
Pretty sure they did, Chimera
feral perch
I wonder if the composer could be linked to some kind of cure for the Flood.
humble yacht
I only remember them using it on infected
versed helm
Well I mean, I'm confident enough to lay the burden of proof at your feet
feral perch
Imagine if the consumed minds could be sorted and "pulled" from the gestalt, and restored to a mechanical body.
versed helm
The Mammoth mission should hold the answers
humble yacht
If you pass it off to me and I feel no reason to research it then we get no where
sacred dew
I think its in warfleet or mythos
humble yacht
Also the burden of proof always lies with the one who makes the assertion
That’s just debate 101
feral perch
the jedi are evil
terse lava
...
sacred dew
Fine al do it myself
versed helm
Reclaimer, the Librarian cutscene
gilded mason
terse lava
Chim is correct
versed helm
Awww BS
gilded mason
The start of the Librarian talking about Forerunners digitizing themselves
versed helm
Wait
terse lava
Just looked in silentium
humble yacht
The transcript of the level seems to point to that
versed helm
I mean if the Forerunners could just digitize themselves en-masse with this thing
terse lava
This large organizations had originally been designed by builders in a failed attempt to attain immunity against the flood composes broadcast high energy fields of intangled symphonies to gather victim mentalities essences then translated them into machine data and the original scheme new bodies were constructed the subjects essences were imprinted over them minus any Chase a flow patterns the results were not at all satisfactory in fact they're a horrible the foreigner bodies so treated did not live very long none survived outside a mechanical storage
humble yacht
It’s not worded super clear tho
terse lava
...curse you auto correct
humble yacht
Sure
terse lava
Agreed
versed helm
If you want to restore someone back to their old selves it creates spooki horror flashing jumpscare dudes
But it can be used to make bestial combat AI
humble yacht
No I think this was all about describing what the composer does and how it works
And that extended to what it was for
terse lava
Ah
humble yacht
Honestly I can’t even remember what source suggested the composers predated the war
terse lava
You know this raises a question, what did the forerunners even base the composer off of? Would it be related to those dangers even the precursors could only contain?
Hm I always figured they were made early in the human forerunner war
lunar condor
I mean composers are a more advanced way of how humans create normal smart AI
humble yacht
The composer entry on Waypoint says its original design was for sending forerunners into the domain or into younger bodies
But different sources seem to suffer different things
lunar condor
It makes sense that they would try that kind of immortality though
Heck its something humans think of today, wouldnt be surprised if some ultra advanced aliens actually give it a real try
terse lava
Yet the forerunners were practically biologically immortal with their armor
feral perch
The grass is always greener. Some wouldn’t be content with what they already had.
terse lava
Ironic considering some decided to forgo with their armor and advanced technology
feral perch
Practically immortal and truly immortal are also two different things here.
terse lava
Agreed
lunar condor
I really want a book trilogy that basically shows the entite forerunner-flood war
I dont even know how people with that advanced tech
Lost to the flood
Like how many things they must have done wrong
terse lava
The flood Had technology that literally could not be damaged by anything besides a Halo pulse
lunar condor
That was at the end of the war tho wasnt it?
vague scroll
@humble yacht if you don’t mind me pinging you, the original mention of the Composers predating the Human-Forerunner War and Flood-Forerunner War is the Halo 4.
terse lava
@lunar condor A Halo was tested at a precursor hub world it shattered the precursor structures
vague scroll
The Librarian explicitly states that before its uses as a Promethean conversion tool, it was considered as means to bridge the digital and organic domains as you stated earlier. It’s not an exact date of predating but it is heavily implied.
terse lava
One could also argue that that took place when they 1st encountered the flood during the human wars
vague scroll
They Forerunners weren’t aware of the Flood until their war with the Humans Ended.
terse lava
No that is actually untrue during the war they did encounter flood infected systems
vague scroll
Doesn’t necessarily mean they recognized it as a threat or what it really was
The Composer didn’t start out as a weapon
humble yacht
The human forerunner war was a 1000 year war
terse lava
The Forerunner scientists had concluded during the human forerunner war that the flood at this primitive state could still consume the Galaxy in just a few centuries
humble yacht
Waypoint says the composers were first built several centuries before the end of that war
vague scroll
Well then, I guess I got it partially right. That it predates the Forerunner Flood War at the very least. I at least remember well that the Librarian described it in a manner that suggested it wasn’t a weapon to begin with.
terse lava
Not going to lie can Way point be trusted? It says the Plasma rifle in its current state is only 500 years old. Yet in the terminals we see Arbiteriter during the taming of the hunters using the exact same one thousands of years ago
vague scroll
Who said they were the same model of plasma rifle?
terse lava
Looks the same fires the same
The closest thing to difference would be that is a Pierce to shoot plasma slower. But that seems to be more slow Mo then actual real Time
vague scroll
That’s the equivalent of the blind men and the elephant fallacy. Just because it looks and sounds a feels the same doesn’t mean it is.
terse lava
Have you seen the video?
vague scroll
Yes
And it doesn’t really matter since every piece of lore has a degree of questionability to their depiction. We could be here all day arguing up examples like infamous ones such as the kilometer long Halo 4 wreckage model of the Forward Unto Dawn that used a Strident frigate rather than a Charon frigate as a base. Or that the Warthog Run level in Halo CE is three times the length of the UNSC Pillar of Autumn.
Depictions aren’t one to one.
@lunar condor regarding how the Flood could pose such a threat to highly advanced societies, the Flood in its matured state is capable of manipulating the fabric of space time with its collective consciousness, an ability known as neural physics. But even then, at its primitive state - the Flood is a Intelligence absorber, it takes the collective knowledge of its infected and reapplies it to its efforts to expand and consume other life so, it rapidly adapts to the species it’s absorbing, learning their technology and means of warfare very quickly.
lunar condor
True i suppose and the flood was already spreading and maturing during the human-forerunner war
vague scroll
We’ve seen their delinquent stage in the contemporary Halo era (2500s) being capable of learning or attempting to learn how to operate Slipspace drives in a matter of hours to days so, given enough biomass they can quickly develop an intelligence beyond any single individual in a very quick fashions
vague scroll
I try my best, you outpace me when it comes to military topics 😄
lunar condor
Im probably also expecting too much of the forerunners tech they didnt really have tech specifically designed to combat the flood from the get go either
Even tho forerunner tech looks extremely powerful we should prolly not forget its not omnipotent
versed helm
^
vague scroll
That’s a fair assumption too, it brings up a rather strange thought process for me all of a sudden... what would a Forerunner civilization 20 or 40,000 years prior to the Human-Forerunner war have been able to do against the Flood?
Because we are aware that the Forerunners to some degree were in a state of technological stagnation. We know from the Forerunner Trilogy that the Forerunner Ecunume has suffered through several dark periods where history and technology were lost.
lunar condor
Hmm in a way im not sure the first civilization that confronts the flood can win. It seems like the kind of threat you can deal with if you already know about it beforehand like humans do right now
vague scroll
The phase mirrors they used for Slipspace causality reconciliation was lost on the Librarians understanding if I remember reading Halopedia correctly... since I haven’t actually read Cryptum through Primordium.
Yeah, I do agree with your mindset there.
Being prepared is half the battle, as it’s said about military logistics, “you go to war with what you have.”
lunar condor
It be a pretty sick plot twist if the precursors go like "the flood was made to eradicate the forerunners to let the humans claim the mantle"
versed helm
We haven't really ever gotten to the point where the true implacability and horror of the Flood can visually manifest. Though The Mona Lisa and AtN both come close.
They're fast, they're endless, and they're smart.
And they snowball.
vague scroll
Agreed, I’d love to see more Flood outbreaks tbh. Cursory lore with Codeword: Corruptor and mentions of Flood encounters by the Covenant pre-Human-Covenant War have ripe potential for exploration.
lunar condor
In a way the flood is the ultimate natural predator
It can rapidly evolve to deal with anything and everything
The kind of evolution other species need millions of years for in days
vague scroll
They’re also a physics-breaking entity. The concept of them being able to bend the very universe to their will is something of cosmic horror. Not quite Lovecraftian but rather endgame-level science fiction, like stuff you might expect from an classical 80s science fiction writer.
lunar condor
I kinda wanna and dont want to see that kind of tech in halo
It be really cool but i dont want it to devolve into "who got the biggest neural physics superpowers"
Tho it would be cool if they used it lets say strategically because it consumes a lot of energy
vague scroll
Yeah, that’s Ben a common complaint about the Greg Bear halo stuff, it’s been described as a tad more beyond what people wanted to ever know about the Forerunners and their era.
There is I guess a threshold of knowing too much.
lunar condor
Like military sci-fi is really cool
But fantasy sci-fi halo would be really weird
Flood needs to go take over some dragons
I wonder how the halo universe looks like in other galaxies tho, and also what prevents them from going to other galaxies. Its implied the precursors were able to go to other galaxies
Im not sure why a human ship couldnt they got ftl and cryotech
vague scroll
Terrifying possibility, the Flood really are an extragalactic threat and every galaxy around the Milky Way is simply teeming with Flood
Before we ever even had a chance to prosper, the game was set against us
lunar condor
Inb4 thats the next plot to re-create an underdog story for humanity again
How do you even exterminate an entite galaxy worth of flood even
gilded mason
Halo.
lunar condor
Tho if they consume the entire galaxy wont they kill themselves due to starvation
carmine sleet
Pretty sure it's not confirmed that the Flood over ran all the galaxies near ours
lunar condor
Yeah just hypothetically speaking if the flood consumed every intelligent and otherwise lifeform in a galaxy they would kinda starve to death
Unless they could travel to a different galaxy then
vague scroll
That’s the irrational fear, we don’t know but it’s always a relevant thing to consider given how strange the relationship between Precursor and Flood already is
lunar condor
Guess humanity better learn how to make some halos just in case
versed helm
Which makes me wonder,have other species from other galaxies visited the Milky Way besides the Precursors?
Or who or what inhabits the Andromeda galaxy
subtle depot
They probably wouldn’t starve. Once they form a grave mind I would think they have some infrastructure for sustenance. I think halos killing their food is a little misleading because it directly kills the flood too, due to them being sentient life.
sonic ridge
Well the humans are just going off what they learnt aren’t they
They never fired the rings to see if it would kill the flood
obsidian thistle
@versed helm there is mystery aliens running about. Medding in affairs that are not their own
If we are lucky, the same species visited both Alpha and Delta Halo
terse lava
@versed helm Warfleet also mentions that there were dangers that's not even the precursors Could Defeat only seal away
terse lava
Never said
It only mentions that these prisons or marked with crystallized space time
Were marked
young mortar
Huh very mysterious
terse lava
Plenty of mysteries in halo still that's for sure
Heck, we barley know much of the Covenant's history
copper wigeon
More Covenant focused games would be a dope way to expand on past halo lore, Perhaps games or stories focusing on early points in covenant history
versed helm
Books give more lore than games
terse lava
True broken circle was a wonderful covenant focused novel and showed more than a game of the same events could
copper wigeon
True, but games from that perspective would still be very interesting
Bottom line is more covenant stories are good, though there already are quite a few
terse lava
I admit I would support anything covenant related books, games, even a Halo legends style movie
versed helm
Split lip movie
subtle depot
Pretty much a covenant Skyrim where you play as one of the last true arbiters during the San’Shyumm war
young mortar
That would be awesome @TidalTurtle55
carmine sleet
Better not begin with the player waking up in a cart for crossing the border
young mortar
😂😂
barren niche
Why doesn't the Chief use the other armour variants? Its obvious that there are different armour variants for different combat situations but the Chief has only used the one.
stoic hamlet
He has used many different variants
But the initial reason is that MJOLNIR was never meant to be customized. It was one size fits all jack of all trades, like we see in Halo Wars.
As the lore progressed (mainly to appease players wanting customization) MJOLNIR had different, unique suits developed
barren niche
Huh, I assumed that the Chief’s armour was a baseline model and then changes were made to fit a Spartan’s specialization or proficiency.
vague scroll
on the other hand, from a realism standpoint, keeping one type of armor and learning the ins and outs of it so you have a mastery of the equipment is a sound piece of advice, the Chief having a preference for the mainline variant of the suit means he gets generalized capability that can fair well in most environments and he knows his armor better than any other in the UNSC's inventory
that's only regarding the SPARTAN-IV program
GEN2 is when MJOLNIR platforms really shifted out to third party defense contractors
barren niche
I assume what happens is similar how some war tech is developed today. where one company handles a specific part of the over-all design.
vague scroll
before, it was mostly ONI and small knit group of contractors building the suits to specks first established by Halsey's guidelines and then so
barren niche
It also wouldn’t make sense given the sheer cost of manufacturing one suit of armour and then go make a wide variety of different armour sets.
I think they believed she died on Reach so ONI may have green lit out sourcing armour design
And even if they did know she was a live after Reach, they still framed her as a war criminal
versed helm
How hard would it be to make ONI an enemy faction in a future game or novel?