It was mentioned with mark VII first yes, but not mentioned as a new feature. And likely clearly put there to help explain the changes in John’s Armour
#lore-and-universe
fair hazel
humble yacht
If mark vi had on board nanobots, it would be mentioned somewhere
last anchor
Also Chief was in a cryotank which we know has internal workings for medical procedures since Halsey operated on Linda while she was in one
So that probably helped too.
As for the Flood, yeah, they can infect anything. My guess is Jackals and Grunts usually get turned into Carriers.
If I had to guess if CE had full buget and no memory constraints we would have seen combat forms of every single Covenant species you fight bar maybe Hunters
fair hazel
There are implied bits about nanobots, but that logic doesn't necesairly stand. There's mention of the repair nodes. How would it repair if not for nanobots?
last anchor
Movable arms within the pod is my guess, its big enough.
Makes more sense to me for that to be how she adjusted most of the plates rather than nanite reqiring
humble yacht
Nanobots repairing armor can be separate from armor containing inherent nanobots for self repair functions. Old Mjolnir repair could have involved introducing nanobots into a cryopod while a spartan was in there, while newer mjolnir like Mark vii and GEN2 have the nanobots already inside
versed helm
The flood in HW1 could just be a gameplay mechanic also?
obsidian thistle
Halo Wars 2 also has Flood Grunts. So I'd happily say they are safe.
versed helm
Hunters cannot be infected because they lack a central nervous system yea?
humble yacht
hunters cannot be converted into a combat form
versed helm
Yes, i was meaning combat form
humble yacht
but they can be broken down and used as biomass, yes
versed helm
Any sentient being can be used as biomass
humble yacht
you know what's weird is that the Thanolekgolo were supposedly a Forerunner anti Flood experiment
but they attacked technology
and were still biological
versed helm
Well, i don't think Prometheans are Sentient
humble yacht
sending thanolekgolo against the Flood just seems stupid
like, basically feeding the flood
versed helm
Prometheans don't fit the definition "Sentient"
humble yacht
the only thing I could see them used for would be to attack any tech the Flood got its hands on
maybe to nullify their space-faring access
versed helm
I think Engineers can be used for biomass anyways
Promethean's aren't a sentient being because they aren't capable to perceive. emotions or feelings, Idk about Engineers honestly though, seeing they are bio-mechanical
humble yacht
I don't think engineers qualify as biomass
i know they look biological but their makeup is not of traditional building blocks of life
they don't have DNA
versed helm
Yea, true, are they sentient or just kinda, there?
"A sentient labor-saving device with the ability to self-repair and self-replicate. Good with computers."
— Bungie.net description of Huragok
versed helm
Do Sangheili know about the precursors?
carmine sleet
Not likely
humble yacht
Sangheili knowledge of Forerunners is already limited, incorrect, and less than what the San Shyuum knew
sacred dew
In halo 5 the zoo level there is a depressed Promethean that starts crying that has to have some sentience
gilded mason
He's talkin' about the one in Witness' zoo in the final level.
humble yacht
oh
gilded mason
Dejectedly banging his head on the wall
humble yacht
calling that one depressed and crying is a bit much
gilded mason
Here's the scene, for reference.
https://youtu.be/5c9nJHT4R6w?t=1m45s
Seems to also hold his head in his hands and slap himself
humble yacht
that could be a side effect of being a composed being unable to fulfill its function
gilded mason
Why would they take those kinds of actions upon not being able to do their function if they're non-sentient automatons?
humble yacht
I wouldn't be surprised if it were still receiving orders while locked up
well, it could be how it manifests malfunction
it could also be frustrated
humble yacht
Knights used to be living beings but after being composed, their consciousnesses were made devoid of emotion to make them more efficient soldiers
a Knight is not going to feel fear or sadness
maybe they still have useful emotions like anger
But I doubt a Knight is capable of being depressed
gilded mason
I think the main point was feeling emotions at all.
humble yacht
such a debilitating emotion would have been filtered out or repressed for the sake of making a more useful fighting unit
well given the origins of Knights, it's safe to say they retain some form of sentience
gilded mason
All right, then we're in agreement
humble yacht
Crawlers are not composed
They are armorers, completely artificial and effectively dumb AI
I don’t see crawlers being capable of any emotion
carmine sleet
Didn't the ones Exuberant Witness catch show signs of distress when separated?
humble yacht
Could be a programmed pack mentality
For example, in biology, some cell types are “fussy” and won’t grow unless there are other cells nearby
carmine sleet
Maybe
humble yacht
A lone crawler isn’t much of a threat, so it makes sense that they would seek the presence of other crawlers
Same could be said of ants
But an ant isn’t gonna have hurt feelings
stable schooner
Only takes 1 crawler to destroy my marines in Halo 4. Don’t sleep on the noisy boi.
midnight loom
oof
versed helm
They can.
I think it was based on a complaint since they were quite frustrating to destroy. Same with thr Prometheians charging at you on low health.
remote spruce
i mean the sniper crawlers didn't really do that
unique rune
Crawler Snipes just kinda sat in one spot while charging up the Binary Rifle with a massive bright red disc in front of their face
stable schooner
Yeah Binary Crawlers were easier then the normal ones imo
unique rune
I think you only encounter maybe 3-4 on Legendary as a whole?
Memory's a bit fuzzy on that.
stable schooner
Theirs some on reclaimer and Infinity but that’s all I remember
unique rune
I know there's one on Infinity and two on Midnight but I can't recall any others.
obsidian thistle
Technically they could be equiped with Light Rifles also
Seeing as there was a odd one in mission/spartan ops with one.
*Very rarely I get to share the glory of that Crawler. XD
stable schooner
Also for supposedly being less equipped Jul Madamas Covenant has active camouflage for Elites of all Combat harnesses and even Jackals.
gilded mason
best boi, truly
terse lava
Didn't the original covenant also have active camo for their soldiers too? Not common but you come across base covnenant soldiers use it
stable schooner
Only Stealth and Spec Op Elites used Camo. Spec Op Grunts and one instance of regular Grunts on Halo 2 Regret also used it. From the games that is. Also Brute Stalkers
terse lava
Thought there had been examples besides just the games, oh well fair enough
stable schooner
Silent shadows also used Active Camo from Lore
gilded mason
silent shadow game when
unique rune
Because you asked for it:
||never||
gilded mason
u hurt me
stable schooner
My solution. 1. Pop in Halo 2, 2. Select the mission The Arbiter, 3. Actually use Stealth, 4.Profit at being a Spec Op
terse lava
- Must be legendary
stable schooner
True that’s the most important part.
strong sage
Anyone knows what happened to the cat on spirit of fire? Is it dead already or uhh it survives by sleeping on the cyrosleep as well
terse lava
Yep, do t think it was truly canine though was it? More of a joke like the pillar of autumn cat jonesy
stable schooner
What about the Cat and goose on the Pillar Of Autumn
terse lava
Same I would take it
One would think if they were canon there would be some further mention if them. Be it visual or story
versed helm
not like a jackal punching you would really even hurt that badly
terse lava
Jackals have claws. That punch h will hurt
feral perch
Jackal melees can kill the Chief in Halo 5.
sudden shuttle
not against titanium
feral perch
They're no joke.
sudden shuttle
odd
feral perch
Same for Grunt punches.
terse lava
Punched by any member of the covenant, minus the Sam shyuum will ruon your day
sacred dew
Hey guys question if the flood was to fight the necromorphs who do u think would win
feral perch
this is an ancient and dark question
i'd say whoever neural physics/marker signals stronger would win
sacred dew
I lean on the flood because they can take over the necros and because of the use of tech and the insane infection rate
feral perch
Once the Flood get a Gravemind up and running, they're nearly unstoppable.
In the feral stage, Necromorphs may have the advantage, because they can make use of any organic material via the Marker signal.
The Flood need hosts with central nervous systems to jumpstart the infection, otherwise it's a slow burn with spores.
Yup
the corruption, yeah
sacred dew
Actually not really look at flood infected high charity most of it has been turned into flood mass even the doors become space mouths
feral perch
With the Dead Space team out of commission, I guess we'll never know.
sacred dew
But the gravemind is also telepathic and can cause delusional o as for the keyminds exist
The moons
humble yacht
Gravemind can corrupt living beings but it's not as seamless a process as the Markers
markers just broadcast a signal, you either go crazy from it or you make markers from it. and dead things come back
it would be interesting to see whether the marker signal could overpower the Flood control over combat forms, since those are essentially corpses
sacred dew
Actually the markers just make u go crazy they still need to infect u
humble yacht
the marker's infection is the signal
crazy people kill other people or themselves
then boom, instant necromorph
terse lava
Speaking of, how about this
Could the covnensnt held off a necro outbreak on high charity
humble yacht
i don't think the covenant could have handled a necromorph outbreak
stable schooner
@feral perch Marine Melees can also kill you though
humble yacht
because unlike the flood, the marker signal can affect you while you're alive
sacred dew
Really because when they die the bird things come and infect them deadspace 2 and downfall
feral perch
Oh wow, I've never gotten close enough to one to find out.
humble yacht
so some poor grunt would go crazy and suicide his group
and then those dead would go necro
Yeah the Dead Space infectors are not the only way to make necromorphs
just a fast way
wheezers*
stable schooner
Yeah I like to massacre the marines and Spartans on Infinity during shutdown and marine Melees do more damage then you would think
humble yacht
and electromagnetic signal borne
terse lava
Touche
humble yacht
grunts would def go crazy before elites
terse lava
Indeed
humble yacht
i bet hunters could resist the marker signal though
terse lava
Likely thanks to their various forms
sacred dew
But the gravemind can drive people crazy the didact is an example and the humans that integrated it during ancient times
humble yacht
gravemind driving someone crazy is with 1-on-1 conversation and interaction
terse lava
I would think sangheili could resist for a while as well thanks to their training and faith
feral perch
The Necromorphs are more concerned with food, whereas the Flood have a more philosophical endgame.
humble yacht
the flood and necros have similar goals
formation of a single lifeform
consuming all life
the Brethren Moons together are more like a full gravemind
terse lava
I thought only the brethren moons were, and just spoke through the markers
sacred dew
But the flood are app part of the gravemind so they have to drive the gravemind crazy and from what am seeing both hiveminds are equal
humble yacht
the victor between them would be decided on whether the marker signal is stronger than the pod infector controlling the combat form
if the combat form turns into a necromorph then the flood loses its main forces
terse lava
Well the flood have managed to defeat 2 high tier enemies, where the necrosis are beaten by one human and aliens with a freeze.ray
humble yacht
if the Flood Super Cell can convert the necros then they win
the flood got wiped out, the necros got put in stasis
terse lava
Pretty much, comes.down to a mental game really
humble yacht
also its worth noting that only a local necro infestation was put on ice
terse lava
Local yes, but was one whole planet
humble yacht
yes but all the other moons were still out there eating everything
sacred dew
In order to make a moon they need a bunch of people and seemingly a lot of time while the the flood needed 3 hours at least to take eartj
humble yacht
they were just waiting for that planet to become a moon and join them
hot take: Halo array could destroy a marker
terse lava
I guess so, we are never told how old the moons are, at least over 65 million though
A halo likely could. Still sentient
humble yacht
but it's mechanism sounds alot like neural physics
also remember that Isaac destroyed a marker with his mind
he beat the marker in his dream and it physically fell apart
feral perch
I really wish Dead Space 3 went the route the devs originally wanted, with Isaac and "shadow Isaac"
humble yacht
intelligent people don't just go crazy. they develop new markers
terse lava
Mhm
humble yacht
regular people just go crazy and start murdering others
maybe a single marker
but i wonder about the whole moon network
i guess isaac did single handedly kill a moon
terse lava
And let's not forget that precursor tech, the physical parts were really just ghosts of the actual network
humble yacht
i guess he didn't actually kill it tho, just put it back in stasis
sacred dew
Wait guy I think we're talking too different things am thinking a halo wal thing while u it's an all out war with moons and such which would then involve peak flood aka star system destroying reality warping abominations see what I mean
humble yacht
slow down
feral perch
I think it was pretty explicitly said that the impact of the moon crashing into the planet was supposed to kill the infestation.
humble yacht
type clearly
feral perch
But then the Awakened DLC happened
sacred dew
Wow you guys move fast
humble yacht
the only physical enemies in Awakened were the cultists
sacred dew
Well typed one paragraph and missed an entire conversation
feral perch
I don't know. Norton was a hallucination, and then it seemed that in reality he was a necromorph, along with other nearby necros.
Was that a double hallucination?
humble yacht
i think so
terse lava
Maybe
humble yacht
i'll have to go back and see
because when isaac and carter got on the skiff, carter was like "isaac why are you just standing there" after you had been fighting a bunch of necros
there was no mp
in DS3
only single player
DS2 had mp
sacred dew
U know this makes me wonder what happens if u take the necromorphs and put tkem against the forerunners
terse lava
Necro vs forerunner means the forerunner win
humble yacht
maybe
terse lava
The mind manipulation is cancelled out thanks to armor
terse lava
Armor and ancillary would pre ent that
humble yacht
marker signal isn't like anything they'd encountered before
terse lava
Actually, those hipper forerunners that fell to the flood first would fall to the marker
humble yacht
what if the moons sent a bunch of Ubermorphs after the forerunners
sacred dew
Oh before u say crazy ray haa the forerunners always ware armor that better than chiefs and has an AI that can take control and reboot the forerunners back to there normal self checkmate
terse lava
They would just be vaporized by forerunner weapons
humble yacht
what if marker signal could affect AI too
sacred dew
No
humble yacht
AI could fall to logic plague
terse lava
We have no proof it can affect ai
humble yacht
he probably did have a minor AI in his armor
just not one that was super smart like Cortana
terse lava
All forerunner who had armor had ai. Didact either had his taken by the librarian or given a dumb ai equivalent
terse lava
Mhm
sacred dew
Marker not logic plague has not shown an ability to affect ai
humble yacht
well dead space had no AI
terse lava
The best the necromorphs can take on are the covenant
humble yacht
and given how similar Halo AI are to living beings in terms of how they think
I wouldn't be surprised if the marker signal could affect them
feral perch
There was a station AI in Dead Space 2
sacred dew
But there machine what is it going to influence the logic plague has been described as the AI equivalent of the flood
humble yacht
you can't tell me that if Cortana detected the marker signal and started to decrypt it that she wouldn't experience something wierd
sacred dew
It be like telling ghost stories to my computer and hoping it gets scared
terse lava
Could be argued he thought he would.die
sacred dew
OK one example of the necromorphs corrupting a computer
humble yacht
seems more like he wanted to die
sacred dew
Agree
terse lava
Yea, hoped too
humble yacht
and in all likelihood did die
terse lava
Likely, yes
humble yacht
hard to survive in a system that literally broke apart
terse lava
Well remember everything was repaired good as new
sacred dew
And that answers my question
terse lava
Was that stated
humble yacht
final terminal
terse lava
Figured he was on the ark, manipulating the halo
humble yacht
"You don't know the contortions I had to go through to follow you here, Reclaimer"
here being the ring
terse lava
Hm
feral perch
I don't think Necromorphs can do anything technical.
Like, the Flood can drive vehicles. Could a Waster or Feeder drive a car?
humble yacht
i think it's possible that a smark ai could be affected by marker signal
sacred dew
Who knows maybe they can but we never see it so we just accept they can't unless proven otherwise
feral perch
I think so too. What a scary thought.
sacred dew
Aaaah
humble yacht
unless they turn off their ability to recieve signals
terse lava
But they are no longer human
humble yacht
they ate necro flesh and became necros
terse lava
That's the thing, they are dead, they can't starve
humble yacht
feeders didn't talk
sacred dew
Not starve decay
terse lava
Feeders were semi sentient I would say. Smart enough to use tools
Like an ape
Or a jiralhanae
feral perch
That was an old audio log. I believe they lost the ability to speak or really think once they had fully turned.
sacred dew
They could use guns and stasis
terse lava
Queasy, at that time they were crazy humans
feral perch
No, that was a different type of Necromorph, richard.
terse lava
Darn typos
feral perch
You don't hear the Feeders in-game ever make any kind of discernible dialogue. They just scream and creak.
sacred dew
Oh sorry
feral perch
Although the Flood combat forms in Halo 3 do speak.
humble yacht
well
terse lava
This reminds me, had a question for everyone regarding halo lore
humble yacht
the gravemind speaks through them
feral perch
yeah
humble yacht
yeah that person was still alive
but crazy
due to marker signal and dead necro flesh
feral perch
They were around for a lot longer than the other outbreaks.
sacred dew
Like pure forms
feral perch
Could be, but these necromorphs were frozen for a long time, too.
I think the real explanation is that the developers wanted new enemy types, and they hadn't thought of them using tools before.
terse lava
Been wondering on the precursor/forerunner war lately. One side claims the forerunners rose up unprovoked and unexpected. The other says they would be erased by the precursors like other races. I am wondering then, could the pre cursors have used the forerunners.to wipe.out failed races?
Would give reason for forerunner pride in this king they would get the mantle, a way for them to think they.would get erased, and finally a reason the precursors were shocked at the betrayal of their most loyal race
Forerunners eventually got sick of doing something they may have viewed as against the msntle6
sacred dew
Nope second first was aboard the unrelenting
Yep there were no elites on the unrelenting it was piloted by jackels and grunts
?
sacred dew
Minors have weak shields in oblivion a burst on the head from an AR can bring there shields down
stoic hamlet
Also Collateral Damage is the first time Blue Team has fought elites
So obviously they wouldn’t know what they are
Visual media is often terrible that showing shields
It’s only.......November 2525, I think
The lone CMA ship only returned to Reach from Harvest in September IIRC
War was only declared like, two weeks before Sam died
gilded mason
Call it a comic, I keep getting thrown off when you call it a book. 😋
And ruin their hair? No thank you!
terse lava
Wasn't his armor damaged though too?
terse lava
Thought so
terse lava
Honestly would just not think about it to hard
Artistic reasoning would be your best bet
And the suits are what, half a ton?
Those 2 would be the best answers
barren niche
Yeah the suites are heavy af, in a Halo 2 cutscene you can hear when Chief hits the In Amber Clad.
stoic hamlet
They’re more than that at the time of Collateral Damage.
They’re a full ton
gilded mason
Though I wonder how much of that was for comedic effect.
barren niche
The Chief is 450 kg
with his armour
For us Americans that is 1,000lbs
Yeah, I am guess its for comedic effect but I also took it as a way to show how heavy the Chief's armour is. A better example is just to see how the armour pieces fall and hit the ground in one of the last cutscenes in Halo 4
sacred dew
In the infinite trailer he rocks an entire pelican just by being set down
barren niche
I mean, think about it, you need thick armour plating when dealing with super heated plasma
sacred dew
Especially when near misses cause third degree burns and direct hits are usually insta kills unless your a spartan
strong sage
With Mjolnir gen 3 now , im curious how much protection it offers against plasma rounds now
gilded mason
It grants much greater protection, but by chance, advances in weaponry made plasma weapons grow in power to match.
barren niche
Each new iteration makes advancements to the armour set. Now, there are some weird things with Chief's armour because I have heard that he actually have Mark VII armour, and it has nano bots. So that is how 343 explains the difference in appearance from H3 to H4
strong sage
So with the nanobots does it repairs the armor even during combat?
barren niche
So, I would say it does but anything to severe would need major maintenance . Thats why there is that damage to cheifs chest armour still in halo 4
I was thinking about that the other day and he at least would have had a concussion.
Like, the man is a super soldier but come on, he fell from space
Well, I guess that explains it.
Biofoam
Ik that is the in universe version of morphine in WW2
Got a paper cut, here is some bio-foam
Got some emotional boo boo's from highschool, bio-foam
I read the wiki for the Biofoam and apparently you can buy it over the counter. So, that is definitely an interesting detail.
Well, its civilian bio-foam. Plus, I also read the foam only last a couple hours and it burns when first applied to serious injures
Donk, have you heard of the Youtube Channel Installation 00? This dude has like really detailed break down videos on things like the Mark V armour and the Spartan 2 program
Worth a watch.
versed helm
It still boggles my mind,was Janjur Qom really destroyed or was it all a lie?
gilded mason
Yes.
versed helm
If Janjur Qom is still around,wouldn't that mean that the Stoics are still around too?
gilded mason
Perhaps. Though the faction might've changed completely after thousands of years.
versed helm
True,they might've achieved space travel in all that time
Does anyone else besides me wish that they further explored the civilian side of the Halo universe other than what we already have on it
gilded mason
Yes, I'd like to see more civilian aliens.
versed helm
I also wonder,did the Covenant ever went to war with any other races besides all of the races that they subjugated and humanity
terse lava
Likely, we have the covenant t fringe. Person ally I always figured the covenant had trade alliances or other types of non aggression pacts with races or civilizations that were royal in power. The jackals are proof that the thought may have merit. Otherwise we are to believe that the covenant are the sole tier 2 civilization in the entire galaxy.
warm ridge
@versed helm Just curious but what are you going on about with biofoam/medigel being able to heal headshots? They most certainly can't heal brain matter dude.
You can easily survive getting shot in the head even today (heavily depending on where the bullet lands/goes) and It all depends on whether or not your frontal lobe is still intact.
@barren niche Chief still has Mark VI armor in Halo Infinite, it's Mark VI Gen 3. Halo 5 was Mark VI Gen 2, Halo 4 was Mark VI Gen 1.5 (not technically official lore but that's what I call 4's armor), Halo 2/3 was Mark VI Gen 1, and Halo 1 was Mark V.
@versed helm The Stoics still existing is a high possibility, the Prophets kept a close eye on there home world, checking in every now and then to see how it was doing. Eventually it was destroyed due to the star going super nova (according to the Reformists AKA The Prophets), but this doesn't mean the Stoics didn't achieve space travel and even achieve the capability to travel to other planets and the stars. Perhaps we'll see them eventually in other Halo lore.
barren niche
I‘ve never heard of the Stoics. Where can I get more information on them?
warm ridge
Stoics are the Prophets btw, exact same species.
We don't really know much about them at all beyond the ancient history of them.
barren niche
I know about the prophets existence but not much on there backstory
carmine sleet
I thought Chief's armour in Halo 4 was known as the Mark VI Gen 1 [MOD] or something like that?
warm ridge
Apparently the Stoics had achieved missle technology, aircrafts and more even to when the Prophets were monitoring the planet.
@carmine sleet I'm not entirely sure what it's known as, but I've never heard of the term "[MOD]" for Gen 1.
That term is used for Gen 2 though.
carmine sleet
Ok, after a quick check, I was confusing the names of his armour in Halo 5 with Halo 4's
warm ridge
I call it Mark VI Gen 1.5 because it was basically made by Cortana using prototype information based off Gen 2 armor, and probably a guessing game entirely with Cortana so the armor could work. Plus with it basically still being Gen 1 so.
fair hazel
With prototype information based on gen 2? We don’t know that
Prophet homework not necessarily destroyed. It could be a lie.
carmine sleet
I assume you meant homeworld, right? Because now I've got the image of a Prophet trying to explain their homework was destroyed by whatever the Covenant equivalent of a dog is in my head
warm ridge
Either way it makes the most sense to me.
fair hazel
Supernova supposedly
warm ridge
oh wait your comment really confused me lol.
As for the Prophets "homework" on there homeworld, it's a chance the star could've gone super nova, and it's also a chance they lied so people would stop trying to look for it (prophets that don't believe in the Covenant religion? HERETICS!!! GLASS THEM!!")
wintry coral
This is a very dumb question, but what happened to Auntie Dot after Halo: Reach? Is she still out there somewhere or has she gone through rampancy and thought herself to death?
sacred dew
That was a good comic .the AI fight was weird and funny though
carmine sleet
I don't think they literally meant it heals everything
feral perch
Spartan Team Black were some of the weirdest IIs, man
feral perch
it's neural physics from mendicant bias
sacred dew
What's weirder is that he was able to stop the monitor by believing in something wasn't real I think haven't seen it in a while
stoic hamlet
Biofoam doesn’t heal, not fully. IIRC it’s like a sealing agent,
proud quail
black team had the spartan who lost an eye, right
feral perch
yeah
sonic ridge
Did the covenant find any rings before halo ce?
humble yacht
Don’t think so. It’s possible that Regret knew where delta Halo was during ce and kept it secret
feral perch
I'd like a Xytan Jar 'Watinree novel
sonic ridge
Alright
barren niche
I wouldn’t mind a fake documentary on the Marines Bootcamp and training. Going into the reasons why people enlisted near the beginning of the war
Or even just a novel thats in the style of Civil War diaries.
fair hazel
Auntie dot is a dumb AI, so no rampancy for her. unknown fate but likely destroyed.
full forge
Dumb dumb
Is she a dumb 'dumb' AI or just a dumb AI?
Aren't dumb AI self aware on some level?
full forge
Yes, yes.
But the creation process is entirely different. Dumb AI are really complex programs.
IIRC they're self aware at some level, correct?
full forge
Did Vergil only become more aware when he was absorbed into the huragok?
stable schooner
Gotta love how New Mombassa’s Corrupt Cops are so skilled they can outlast most of the UNSC forces in the City.
last anchor
Probably luck and hiding
While the UNSC is off fighting in Old Mombasa with Chief they're hiding in New Mombasa with a bunch of Civvies as shields
stable schooner
Well I mean even the Regular Cops lasted way longer then that when you realize the last Allies Alpha 9 meet are Cops.
last anchor
Well Buck even mentions they fought their hardest in New Blood so
stable schooner
New Mombasa Cops are all Leon S Kennedy Confirmed
last anchor
So thats where STARS went
humble yacht
Leon was never stars, actually
Though when you look at his exploits, even as a rookie, he seemed to have the qualifications
sonic ridge
Ngl just the synopsis on the back of hunters in the dark sounds like it would make a great spin off game
versed helm
Is it possible that some of the NMPD officers might've escaped the city?
stable schooner
I don’t see why not. Their was evacuations and I doubt every Cop defended the City to his dying Breath
versed helm
Kinsler got what he deserved though
last anchor
I mean, whats his name made it out
The one with Sadie
Though we...never hear what happened to him, he doesnt show up in New Blood
versed helm
stable schooner
Poor cop with the Fake BR who got smashed by the Chieftain
versed helm
There was also that old lady with the shotgun
stable schooner
She had it coming though robbing those slots
versed helm
True
Or there was that Marshall Glick dude
Or that fat dude that was selling kebabs
stable schooner
The Kebab Guy was Beast
versed helm
What really happened to him?
stable schooner
I don’t know I never even finished collecting all the logs lol. Brutes in the Sadie story was pretty lazy imo.
unique rune
Jonas' fate is left ambiguous
Though it's probably safe to assume he didn't make it out of New Mombasa.
versed helm
I do wonder how long it would take for New Mombasa to be rebuilt
But i can imagine that ONI would quarantine the portions of the city that are closest to the portal
gilded mason
Yeah, a lot of the city was destroyed just to make room for the portal.
versed helm
How different would things be if Xytan Jar Watinree lived?
gilded mason
He might be another faction that the SoS/human governments have to either negotiate with or full on combat, since he was a bit war-mongerin' in his final moments.
versed helm
And he still hated humanity i think
gilded mason
Yeah. So something would have to be done about that. Either by telling him he's bein' a short-sighted dummy (in more diplomatic words) or bringing him to heel by force.
versed helm
I could imagine that Jul might serve under him
gilded mason
Actually, that's a good point. He'd have no reason to try to join his local powerless faction if he knew that there was a stronger one that shared his mindset just over there.
versed helm
Wait,what was the name of that shipmaster from Halo Legends?
gilded mason
What story?
versed helm
The one that chief dueled
gilded mason
Oh, he was a Major. My boy, Thel 'Lodamee. He's great. 👌
versed helm
I wonder if he's still alive
stable schooner
Wasn’t that just a Elite Major
gilded mason
I should hope. If his jerk fleetmaster lived, Thel better live as well
stable schooner
I didn’t seen him command any ships
carmine sleet
He was just a major and I believe he is still alive
versed helm
Oh yeah,Luro Taralumee
carmine sleet
The fleetmaster from The Package, however, it's more than likely he was killed for his failure to stop Blue Team from freeing Halsey
gilded mason
Actually, he's commanding his own Covenant faction now
carmine sleet
Ok, I guess I missed that bit of lore
versed helm
I wonder if we'll ever see Sali Nyon again
gilded mason
Hopefully not.
versed helm
There are a lot of high ranking Sangheili whose fates are unknown,ones that didn't join the Arbiter
gilded mason
Statistically, yeah
stable schooner
That would suck being an Elite Councilor going from Politician and representative of your entire Race to Basically a Clan Leader if your lucky.
gilded mason
Bein' a Kaidon ain't exactly a bad position.
stable schooner
True but it ain’t no Councilor
gilded mason
Perhaps they should join the Swords of Sanghelios (today!) and help enact policies for the good of all who live on their worlds. They can make a difference once more!
versed helm
Isn't Jul's faction basically just done for at this point
gilded mason
Yeah, it's dead.
stable schooner
Swords of Sanghelios really need a new name
gilded mason
Indeed.
versed helm
Agreed
stable schooner
It’s like if the UNSC became the United Nations space command of Earth
gilded mason
Same issue I have with the Unified Earth Government.
versed helm
Then there's this faction
Some of the faction names just seem either generic or unoriginal
gilded mason
Oh. If that's the only time it's ever mentioned, it's probably safe to disregard it.
feral perch
I think Swords of Sanghelios is perfect. They shouldn’t strive for inclusivity just for the sake of it. The Elites should be Elites. A distinct, honorable force.
feral perch
Although I do agree that UEG or Unified Earth Government is very bland and generic.
stable schooner
Except that’s not the truth and theirs hundreds of Non Sanghelios Elite Worlds
Grunts, Hunters, Engineers are all in the Swords
gilded mason
Why should an Elite from Malurok want to join a faction that has Sanghelios in the name? It gives the impression that they wouldn't care about their struggles.
feral perch
Leave inclusivity to humanity I say.
gilded mason
No.
feral perch
Yesss
gilded mason
That's really silly.
stable schooner
Nahhhhhh cause it’s already not like that
The Swords aren’t just Elites. Plus it’s like if the US was the United States of Texas
feral perch
I don’t think so. I don’t see having Sanghelios in the name as necessarily exclusive, either. The Elites have a respect for heritage and tradition. Sanghelios is beloved. Why couldn’t they see the name Sanghelios and think “Our protectors and allies?”
gilded mason
The Swords aren’t just Elites.
Indeed, many non-Sangheili are a part of it and fight for their ideals. And it just makes sense to try to bring as many people as possible under their banner.
The Elites have a respect for heritage and tradition.
Some do. Others, in other states or colonies, might not care as much.
stable schooner
Cause Sanghelios isn’t our protector and allies to countless Elite Worlds with many having no ties to it anymore. It’s exactly like 1 state getting preferred treatment over the other 49
feral perch
I was referring to other Sangheili, and some Unggoy and Lekgolo I guess. Why would I refer to humanity?
stable schooner
Plus Elites gotta deal with the fact their is different Elite “Phenotypes” based on Worlds
feral perch
That’s not confirmed is it?
I’m not sure if that’s just really popular head canon or something confirmed by 343
gilded mason
Plus Elites gotta deal with the fact their is different Elite “Phenotypes” based on Worlds
Eh, not really an issue. It's just visual appearances, so it's not really something they need to account for. And they have different looks even on Sanghelios.
stable schooner
Wait is that actually head Canon and not a official thing from 343?
gilded mason
What?
unique rune
Phenotypes varying by world isn't a canon thing.
stable schooner
Cool good to know. Still point stands about the name
unique rune
'Mdama's faction sourced a lot of their personnel and equipment from the colony of Hesduros, which suggests there might be some variance, but it's just guesswork without confirmation.
gilded mason
Still point stands about the name
Yes.
stable schooner
Can’t have Sanghelios be the focal point in a Cross Species inter Galactic Federation. Also gotta say the Prophets were smart with High Charity.
gilded mason
Yeah.
I loved the overall idea of the Covenant, even if the actual practices were...less than ideal.
carmine sleet
Maybe they could take some notes from Mass Effect's Citadel if the Swords of Sanghelios decide to do something like that
gilded mason
That'd be neat.
stable schooner
That would be sweet
versed helm
That would be interesting
stable schooner
I imagine Sangheili would dominate it though like Humans can in Mass Effect
gilded mason
😍
sonic ridge
Looking up
The swords of Sanghelios is a bad name because in the game none of them are even natives of Sanghelios going by model
Tfw arbiter becomes different sub species of elite
gilded mason
in the game none of them are even natives of Sanghelios going by model
That was discussed. Sanghelios itself has a variety of phenotypes available.
sonic ridge
But we’ve never seen this until 4
gilded mason
Though it was disappointing that 343 wasn't able to give Thel a different model to all the other uniform Sangheili, yes
sonic ridge
And if they made the model for Thel they coulda used it for other elites in game
Just two models would be good variety
And then also make sense since Thel isn’t this phenotype
carmine sleet
Resource management is why Thel is the wrong phenotype in Halo 5
stable schooner
Yet I’ll never understand why they had to make unique spear objects for Thels Bodyguards in the tent but can’t even give Sword Elites a different Helmet
sonic ridge
Dunno
gilded mason
🤷
versed helm
Is Sangheilios still out of power?
gilded mason
From the Guardians?
versed helm
Yes
gilded mason
Oh. I dunno.
humble yacht
Half of it
versed helm
Well, Doesn't Palmer say in Bad Blood that the Guardian went to the other side to disable that side also?
Either Palmer or Halsey
humble yacht
Maybe
I don’t have the book to check
Synopsis only mentions one hemisphere getting downed
versed helm
I have the book with me, on page 24, "What happened to the Guardian? Chief asked. "We're not sure. Some reports indicate it's on the other side of Sanghelios, dealing with that part of the planet" "Apparently, it's disruption effects have some finite limitations, but that's all theory right now"
Halsey apparently got that info from Infinity's signal to her
versed helm
Is there any way to repair all of the damages from a Guardian's pulse?
humble yacht
Same way you’d repair other emp damage, I’d imagine
terse lava
I am still kinda.surprised that the guardian didn't fall to any fleets around sangheilios
humble yacht
It’s a forerunner construct
Who could touch it?
Remember how the UNSC could Barry scratch Mantle’s Approach?
terse lava
True, but it isn't a warship, just a glorified robocop.
One would think a good.smount of plasma bolts, or a few energy projectors.would gut it
humble yacht
Nah
It’s tough enough to handle it’s own
Wouldn’t be an effective policing agent if it were destroyed by a measly tier 2 or 3 fleet
terse lava
Ah, so fleets did interfere then
humble yacht
Not necessarily. Could be due to size of the planet
terse lava
Possibility I suppose, just feels very limited for a race who could do almost anyrhing
humble yacht
It’s function was very specific
terse lava
True
Perhaps they have the ability to combine then. Warfleet did say the things were used to patrol entire systems
humble yacht
1 guardian was suitable to patrol a single system
They didn’t have need to double up
Guardian shields can shrug off mac rounds so they are hardy
And given their role, they dont need many offensive weapons. They have lasers tho for personal protection
terse lava
Yea the book does say the 6 beam cannons can easily take out Capital ships
I wonder then if we will ever see the more powerful forms of peacekeepers
feral perch
Who else likes the Mjolnir mix from the 2010 reissue cover of The Flood?
I’d like to see it return in some form or other.
barren niche
Is Halo: Smoke and Shadow a good read?
unique rune
That was destroyed with the Truth and Reconciliation.
unique rune
The one in 2 and 3 is... kind of the same?
sonic ridge
Yes
humble yacht
It was different from the flood in CE
sonic ridge
It should be
unique rune
But the proto-Gravemind in CE is a separate entity
barren niche
Plus it has the memories of former graveminds as well
barren niche
What about her?
unique rune
I think I read something of that sort
but then the flamethrower was cut from the console version of CE
barren niche
Uh, well the main mission was to get Keye’s neural thingy ma-jiger.
unique rune
I know I've heard burn it all before
barren niche
I thought by having chief slam his fist into Keyes’ head it would have done the job of killing it
unique rune
In the cutscene, "The Captain", when the Master Chief retrieves Captain Keyes' neural implants, he was meant to burn Keyes' skull out of the proto-Gravemind with a flamethrower and then retrieve the implants. Due to time constraints, the flamethrower was removed from the final game. Bungie had Robert McLees do research on what burned skulls looked like. When he had finished, he said "[He'd] done [his] work too well", as the burned skull was too gruesome.
terse lava
Yea, it had multiple hosts and biomass
barren niche
Yeah, I never thought about it until just now
humble yacht
He’s lucky that Keyes’s face was on the outer surface
terse lava
As for destruction, the Covenant likely finished it off.agyer chief left
humble yacht
Imagine if he had to dig for the implants
terse lava
That would be gruesome
humble yacht
He could’ve been there for hours
terse lava
He, would have died from flood or convent at that point
barren niche
I think having keyes visible is more gruesome
sonic ridge
Is it not like rotten flesh or something
They are composed of dead people
I’m pretty sure rotten meat goes green
humble yacht
Flood biomass isn’t technically dead
unique rune
Flood stuff is
well
Flood biomass
not rotting flesh
the liquid is probably just the Flood's equivalent of blood
sonic ridge
The gravemind is a hive mind right
It can get each flood spore and thing to do what it wishes
Which is why they help you on the covenant
Maybe the green goo is what connects them to the gravemind
sonic ridge
Okay
humble yacht
Beyond human understanding
sonic ridge
That’s how he’s able to talk to chief in 3
warm ridge
@versed helm Saw that part, but no. He got shot in the helmet and it penetrated his head some, but it didn't go full on through. The amount of blood splatter is heavily overly exaggerated, as his head is relatively fine and intact.
Judging from the point of penetration, it didn't even touch his frontal lobe, so he'd easily be able to survive this and function. Of course it'd probably require re-learning some things, but with him being a Spartan II he'd probably be able to relearn everything he's missing in under a month.
Biofoam didn't "heal it", it simply sealed the point of penetration to stop bleeding. It wouldn't stop any internal bleeding though obviously.
sonic ridge
What’s this
terse lava
.....?
humble yacht
Talk about old convo
terse lava
Ah ok
sonic ridge
Who got shot
humble yacht
Ericky does that too
terse lava
Fair enough
terse lava
Btw has 343 confirmed in how much of the galaxy the covenant controls?
gilded mason
Much of the Orion Arm
sonic ridge
Isn’t the covenant just remnant groups now
gilded mason
But they've done scouting missions elsewhere as well, I think?
warm ridge
We're talking about Black team, right?
Black team wore experimental armor that would later be incorporated into Mark V, and even Mark VI so yes.
They likely had early examples of repair nodes etc that were later incorporated into Mk V/VI.
..because it's "experimental armor"?
feral perch
MJOLNIR: Black was experimental armor that resembled Mark VI Mjolnir
It’s what Spartan Team Black wore
warm ridge
Experimental = Testing, technology not widely adopted yet, etc.
Black team generally was equipped with technology that may, or may not work properly.
you dude lol
You didn't seem to understand why Black team may of been equipped with "repair nodes" so I explained it to you, not sure why your back pedaling on it now.
humble yacht
Whoo boy you must be a riot at parties
terse lava
Likely just a misunderstanding
Looked back on it, indeed just a misunderstanding
Eh
humble yacht
It wasn’t your fault
terse lava
Indeed
Simple mistake
So, what's everyone's favorite faction and why
Why
Hm, wouldn't say beat back
humble yacht
Was ONI really ever the underdog tho?
terse lava
Survived accurate
Heh, kind of I guess due to being humans
Least they removed that crappy plan to poison sangheili
Not really, thing can only go so far before sangheili elders notice something's up
gilded mason
So, what's everyone's favorite faction and why
The Swords of Sanghelios, of course! For obvious reasons.
That really stupid plan only takes into account Sanghelios as an isolated entity that would only use that grain.
terse lava
Food nipple slug, meat
humble yacht
The food nipple was not their preferred choice of cuisine
terse lava
They did have little methane suites either a nipple in the middle
No it wasn't but what they were given
humble yacht
A better question would be what they ate back on bahalo
sonic ridge
The grunts won’t complain about the food because they get like the most nutritious food that we know of
They’d probably like anything
terse lava
Would think meat with the sharp teeth, perhaps even each other seeing as how harsh the world was
barren niche
We all know what the Jiralhanae eat. Everything
terse lava
Yep
gilded mason
nice
barren niche
They have been known to torture their victims before eating them
I even think they eat other Jiralhanae
terse lava
They were considered savages by the covenant for a reason
Saying other brutes? Doubtful
Eating
stable schooner
Yeah I can’t see Brutes eating each other.
terse lava
Ah yea, remember that story
sonic ridge
I can see brutes eating each other
terse lava
Well I guess they sort of do when ripping the throat out of.your.rivial
humble yacht
That doesn’t mean they eat it
terse lava
No not at all
humble yacht
Mike Tyson didn’t eat evander’s ear
sonic ridge
No
stable schooner
Brutes are Brutal but they have Loyalty and varying degrees of Honor. I can’t see them willingly eating another of their kind.
sonic ridge
Was asking about Sangheili but no one really knows because there’s like nothing about it
terse lava
Sangheili eat meats and grains
sonic ridge
Porridge
gilded mason
Little known fact: Sangheili love breadsticks.
terse lava
Shhhhh ostral
gilded mason
lol
barren niche
I can’t imagine that make interesting content but I want a cookbook now with different recipes from the various species
sonic ridge
The 343 elites are omnivores
terse lava
Dont tell them that
feral perch
It makes sense
sonic ridge
I said about a cookbook
gilded mason
Dont tell them that
🤐
sonic ridge
Sangheili eat breadsticks
barren niche
Ungoy love bread bowls. Its a real fake fact
feral perch
But they call them Gobble-gobble sticks
warm ridge
@stable schooner Brutes will willingly eat another of there kind if it's a person they are willing to kill.
They ate Humans all the time during the Human-Covenant war.
terse lava
They can move their mandibles to mimic a human mouth
stable schooner
Humans are not Brutes
warm ridge
I'm pretty sure they've also eaten Elites to before.
not sure on the edibleness of a Grunt afaik lol
barren niche
I feel like a Grunt would taste like a fart
terse lava
Eat, gah!
feral perch
I imagine Grunts taste like shellfish
stable schooner
Unless you can name an instance of a Brute eating a Brute I will not believe their Cannibals.
barren niche
Thats fair
sonic ridge
Did all humans learn and speak English in this universe
gilded mason
And that Portugese guy in Halo 5
feral perch
The Brutes were not a part of the Covenant when the Unggoy homeworld was subjugated.
unique rune
Hungarian
terse lava
Hungarian
stable schooner
I thought Jorge spoke Hungarian, yep too late
warm ridge
@stable schooner There hasn't been any instance of a Brute eating any species except Humans, only hints such as in H2 when a Brute talked about eating the Arbiter (an elite) because his "flesh is seared just the way I like it".
gilded mason
||Hungarian||
feral perch
hunger
terse lava
And yes stonewall, the grunts joined 500 years before the brutes
warm ridge
so you might as well talk about Brutes not eating any species at all except for just humans by your logic.
stable schooner
we’re not discussing wether Brutes eat other species but wether they eat other Brutes
warm ridge
refer back to what I originally said.
terse lava
Person. The brutes in "stepping on the heels of fuss" ate their grunts when they ran out of humans
stable schooner
Theirs no instance of what you originally said
sonic ridge
The brutes are similar to skaven of warhammer
terse lava
A prisoner commented on that to the protagonist
barren niche
Humans do it, in rare and fringe examples. Its not unreasonable that Brutes have commit acts of cannibalism
stable schooner
I mean willingly as a whole race
terse lava
Not saying they have not eaten other brutes, just no examples.of them doing it commonly
stable schooner
Isolated instances means every species in Halo are cannibals then
barren niche
cool, next topic. Do AI’s date eachother??? 
sonic ridge
I prefer the other topic
barren niche
Lol
feral perch
Brutes in the Banished behave more like Sangheili than Covenant-bound Jiralhanae. Has anyone else noticed this?
warm ridge
@stable schooner Not every species in Halo are canninbals, but the main one's (Humans, Brutes, Elites, Grunts, Jackals, etc) are mostly omnivores.
gilded mason
The Banished are dweebs.
feral perch
Especially Pavium and Voridus
barren niche
Yeah, the Banished are super organized
terse lava
As for the topic of AI Dating each other There were 2AI in contact harvest that had feelings.
gilded mason
And Atriox is a two-bit punk.
stable schooner
I already know Person I’m saying if like a tribe on Earth eats people it doesn’t make the whole species Cannibals
feral perch
Lol looks like someone’s jealous of the Banished stealing attention from Elites
terse lava
Or at least one did for the other
barren niche
Atriox is a terrible car salesman.
warm ridge
@terse lava I'm not entirely sure on whether or not that's actually "official lore" tbh, but neither Bungie when they made Halo nor 343 has said anything about it so.
terse lava
A It is official lore it was written by one of the employees of bungee back in the day
warm ridge
@barren niche I wouldn't call the Banished "super organized" tbh. They're more "hit and run" tactics then anything.
stable schooner
A lot of stereotyping against Brutes here folks. At least Brutes unlike most Jackals understand Loyalty.
warm ridge
Usually compromising in large massive groups that have one goal, and brute-force it with out much strategy.
barren niche
@warm ridge Guerrilla warfare would be a better word for it tbh
terse lava
Atroix had optional but ended up as a Saturday morning cartoon.villain
feral perch
They’re good enough to get to the Ark without using the portal to earth apparently. How did they manage that?
gilded mason
At least Brutes unlike most Jackals understand Loyalty.
Whoaaaa, let's not say things we can't take back!
wude
warm ridge
There's a reason the Spirit of Fire was able to cause so much problems in the Banished original plans, they have terrible tactics.
terse lava
They simply flew to the Ark
gilded mason
The banished are stronger than the Covenant in every way
🤔
terse lava
The banished are certainly not stronger than the covenant
gilded mason
Wait, were you facetious
warm ridge
@feral perch Is it even stated how the Banished got to the Ark at all anywhere?
terse lava
The banished were a hit and one group where the covenant was a Massive Empire
feral perch
No
warm ridge
then I don't think "flew to the ark without the portal" is accurate.
gilded mason
Because the Banished never went to "war" with the Covenant
feral perch
Oh boy.
warm ridge
They likely had a presence on the Ark before UNSC forces even arrived, but were waiting for there chance to attack and spread out.
terse lava
Yes we are taking the advice of an AI that has no clue what it is talking about
gilded mason
They just did hit and run
terse lava
The banished arrived at the Ark. 6 months before Halo 5
barren niche
The Banished are religious fanatics? They just like looting
feral perch
Do you really think they used the portal on earth to get to the Ark, person?
stable schooner
Yeah the Halo Wars 2 logs Even say the Banished just raided and hid
feral perch
Because that’s what you’re saying
terse lava
The banished or small fried to the covenant so they would not waste much resources in taking them down
gilded mason
Yeah but you’d think the covenant would get fed up with them at some point and just annihilate them
Probably wasn't that big a deal for them
remote spruce
"flew to the ark without the portal" is entirely accurate
terse lava
Besides covenant had bigger problems to deal with besides the banished
barren niche
The Covenant was fighting the Humans and dealing with the Banished near the end
feral perch
Thanks penguins.
terse lava
Not just the humans as ghosts of onyx implied not even humanity was a prime concern for the covenant
warm ridge
@feral perch Ark has multiple portals, so probably considering we don't know how they got there.
remote spruce
one can slipspace jump their way to the Ark in like, a bunch of months
terse lava
The banished either used another portal on another world or simply flew on their own power
Simple as that
warm ridge
I think people seem to forget that there's more then one portal to the Ark.
feral perch
That’s fine. But they sure as heck didn’t use the one on earth.
And you were trying to correct me on that.
Maybe don’t.
gilded mason
I think people seem to forget that there's more then one portal to the Ark.
There is?
warm ridge
Of course they didn't use the one on Earth.
barren niche
Is it explained how they got there?
terse lava
Yes the forerunners created more to pull portals to the Ark. Not just the one on Earth
feral perch
That’s what I said, buddy.
warm ridge
Yes, including portals that lead to each Ring location. Each one can be activated either by the Ark itself, or a Keyship.
terse lava
Or an engineer mimicking a key ship
feral perch
I don’t think so.
terse lava
The brute surprised red team
feral perch
Red Team are the most inexperienced Spartan-IIs, and they just got out of cryo.
barren niche
Idk @versed helm , even Chief had a tough fighting a brute.
feral perch
Yes. They washed out of the augmentation phase, then were successfully reaugmented later.
terse lava
Interesting
feral perch
They fought for a few years, then went into cryo for the remainder of the Covenant War.
warm ridge
@feral perch BTW I was stating we don't know how the Banished got to the Ark. They could've used one of the multiple different portals to the Ark, or who knows really.
definitely not the one on Earth though.
feral perch
Yeah.
feral perch
I want to know more about that.
gilded mason
Because space is big
feral perch
The Milky Way is a big place
terse lava
Space is vast
sonic ridge
How many ships they got
barren niche
Its bigger than big. Its bigx2
gilded mason
a lot
terse lava
Would think tens of thousands at least
warm ridge
The Covenant only occupied a part of the Orion arm, while Halo rings are located in every section of the Milky way galaxy.
terse lava
Technically the covenant did find a luminary that would of showed them the path to get to a Halo ring and the Ark. But they lost it
Just a few years after the covenant was founded
remote spruce
the Phoenix logs imply manual slipspace travel:
Atriox disappears 03.15.2558
the outpost on the Ark is attacked in December 2558
the UNSC Rubicon took like 8ish months to reach the Ark via normal Slipspace travel
warm ridge
It takes a few thousand years just to achieve slipspace travel and fast slipspace travel. Covenant slipspace travel is faster then Human slipspace travel funny enough @sonic ridge
barren niche
They’re more accurate too
feral perch
@versed helm I don’t know the specifics. All I know is that their bodies rejected the initial augmentations, and they were successfully reaugmented later.
barren niche
Science
remote spruce
yea Red Team and co.
terse lava
A space Wizard did it
warm ridge
@remote spruce Keep in mind Atriox didn't want to attack the outpost without the portal that lead to Earth being closed 1st, so it'd take forever for the UNSC to send reinforcements.
Atriox himself thought the Sprit of Fire was originally UNSC reinforcements lol
barren niche
Thats not a knife
terse lava
Failed either way
warm ridge
also the Phoenix logs imply Atriox completely disappeared in under a month, implying he was already at the Ark, in hiding.
ONI wouldn't of lost him that easy, and the Ark would be the last place for ONI to check.
remote spruce
via slipspace travel
warm ridge
slipspace travel is very well understood by UNSC forces and how to track objects within slipspace, so no.
again, how do you think they kept track of Atriox aka the "Banished" at all?
terse lava
To put it perspective they were areas of covenant territory I do not even aware of the war and schism had occurred years after and ended
So yes space is big
warm ridge
Some areas thought the war was still going on because most of those areas got information from High Charity which was destroyed/taken over, such as Jul M'dama thinking the war was still happening.
remote spruce
ok, if Atriox haz a portal
where are his reinforcements
sudden shuttle
Blue Team perhaps
terse lava
Gray team I would say would be a second
warm ridge
@remote spruce "where are his reinforcements"
uh
hiding, until he could surprise attack the UNSC forces on the Ark, of course he isn't going to send his entire army to the Ark, that'd be to noticeable.
uh
all portals to the ark closed because of Cortana, the Ark's failsafe measures were enabled, any sort of "reinforcements" to the Ark at all would take months.
uh
Cortana guardian emping everything style worlds going under police style
barren niche
Also slipspace isn’t instantaneous. Its takes weeks sometimes to get to where you want to go
terse lava
Ah yes the created, a race of sentient...wait
warm ridge
in fact Atroix was going to use the new ring as a method to get off the Ark and contact his "reinforcements" but the Spirit of Fire foiled his plan entirely. He doesn't even know of Cortana, or the Guardians, or anything at this point.
terse lava
Only Anders does
barren niche
Well, from Halo Wars 2 yes
terse lava
Ok, and the human ai curator
sonic ridge
I’m gonna start hunters In the dark
terse lava
That's a good book I found it pretty interesting
warm ridge
Anders doesn't even know either, she just knows a random Forerunner Guardian appeared out of no where. Maybe Cortana talked to her and filled her head with lies, we don't know.
barren niche
Does this mean our AI buddy from ODST maybe have joined the created?
sonic ridge
It looks good
terse lava
Doubtful
sonic ridge
I e had it like a year but was reading Ciaphas Cain
There’s a yugioh card in my book
barren niche
Oh, what card?
sonic ridge
Duston roller
terse lava
Huh..ok
barren niche
Yugioh now cannon in halo?
terse lava
Guess so
sonic ridge
I sacrifice these cards to summon arby n the chief
terse lava
Anime likely still exists 500 years in the future
barren niche
The marines in Halo 3 wanted to play Yugioh in the covenant carrier but the ship master took their cards
terse lava
Anyway
warm ridge
alright I'm going afk for a bit so if anyone messages me I'll be replying back in a few hours
terse lava
Ok person
barren niche
Do the devs ever come into chat or is it just fans?
terse lava
Idk
remote spruce
How did Spirit of Fire get to the Ark?
it definitely has to be a portal
gilded mason
Grim does sometimes
sudden shuttle
or it was drifting in space
terse lava
Liklymdo.from time to time.i would think
remote spruce
nah drifting in space doesn't work
terse lava
Not known monk
remote spruce
too far away
warm ridge
@remote spruce before I do go:
Spirit of Fire arrived to the Ark via a slipspace jump of unknown origin (this was stated at the beginning of HW2). We don't know who, or what created the slipspace portal either considering the Spirit of Fire does not have a slipspace drive.
terse lava
Let's go with that
remote spruce
the Pugs of Infinite
barren niche
Huh, I wonder if it was a monitor?
sudden shuttle
perhaps.
warm ridge
now afk
sudden shuttle
or m32
terse lava
The arcs monitor is no longer active
barren niche
Did it get taken by the flood or...?
warm ridge
@terse lava that's still under discussion, he could very well still be alive in the same way 343 Guilty Spark survived.
gilded mason
No
warm ridge
afk now
terse lava
By the time of Halo wars 2
remote spruce
I wonder if 343i have the answer
like I genuinely wonder if they know, or purposely making it vague because it could be used in the future
terse lava
I can't to say why and how the monitor is no longer active because that would spoil hunters in the dark
Sense someone said that they were about to read that book
warm ridge
I already know the events of hunter in the dark, the monitor exploded the same way 343 Guilty Spark did. This again, does not mean he could've survived
aa now let me be afk
barren niche
Smoke and shadow?
terse lava
What about it?
barren niche
Any good?
remote spruce
yesss
terse lava
Idk have not read it
terse lava
Read thensequal though. Loved it
Would save though my personal favorite Halo book was broken circle
sudden shuttle
so 343 GS survived?
gilded mason
Yeah
terse lava
...yes.and no
warm ridge
343 GS fully survived wot @terse lava
barren niche
Yes, he is an armiture
sudden shuttle
so he died but came back?
terse lava
The entity from halo one to Halo 3 known as guilty spark is dead
gilded mason
Also, good choice, Ado. 👍
warm ridge
wrong @terse lava
terse lava
The original human that spark was created from is still alive
remote spruce
dude afk if you actually need to be afk lol
terse lava
Yes
sudden shuttle
isn't chaka the monitor
terse lava
Yes he was
barren niche
It also fragmented, so he had to compile his memories
warm ridge
GS is still alive, he's basically a seperate personality of Chakas that still remains. Read up on it here https://www.halopedia.org/343_Guilty_Spark @terse lava
terse lava
Correct
warm ridge
afk 100% now
terse lava
I have the book person
barren niche
Or read Halo Renegades
terse lava
If we want to be very technical the entity known as spark has the memories of chalk us and 343 guilty spark but does not fully consider himself one or the other
terse lava
They are from one colony that split into bond brothers when the original colony became too large
remote spruce
there really needs to be more gameplay synergy with lore
like, not even talking about abilities
"Kat did some hacks to make sprint" is a meme
terse lava
I just find it odd they made evade in armor ability
I don't think it technically is supposed to be lore just something to counter their Sprint armor ability
barren niche
I just assumed you were always running but then Reach came out and I was confused.
terse lava
You were always running reach just made it faster like sonic the hedgehog
stable schooner
Lol Evade being a Elite Armor ability
barren niche
Then there is the whole spartan time