#lore-and-universe | Halo | Page 235

midnight loom Oct 2, 2019, 10:35 PM

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hmmm yeah

obsidian thistle Oct 2, 2019, 11:46 PM

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Tbh "quote" pages are not the best things ever I admit. "Fun" yes, but very... eh.

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They are a common place for "vandals" to place their "IWHBYD" quotes.

half apex Oct 3, 2019, 12:01 AM

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i wonder what chief would like if he had a suit with forunner tech thinkingchief

humble yacht Oct 3, 2019, 12:22 AM

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He’d be like he was in halo 4 with Prometheus now vision or sentry drone

drowsy mesa Oct 3, 2019, 1:21 AM

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"Cortana is being brainwashed by the Flood, that's why she can't be evil".... sorry, but I can't eat that idea

feral perch Oct 3, 2019, 1:23 AM

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what lol

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you're stuffing a dead horse with a second dead horse

drowsy mesa Oct 3, 2019, 1:26 AM

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I never believed that "Plague Logic" idea, and I'll never will

feral perch Oct 3, 2019, 1:27 AM

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It's what my Spartan looked like in OG Reach a while ago. It's got some shield flaring.

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Thanks. It's from the only match I've ever played on Tempest.

warm ridge Oct 3, 2019, 2:47 AM

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In terms of the logic plague argument, well I believe it's indeed that and a combination of her literally being split fragments of herself.

stoic hamlet Oct 3, 2019, 3:00 AM

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The H5 Cortana is one of those split fragments, yes.

strong sage Oct 3, 2019, 3:05 AM

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Is it possible that future armaments for the unsc uses higher caliber rounds like 20mm or higher as standard rounds for infantry weapons especially for Spartans

stoic hamlet Oct 3, 2019, 3:07 AM

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I mean, they have infantry portable weapons that fire 20/30mm

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They’re just cumbersome

strong sage Oct 3, 2019, 3:10 AM

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Ehhh what weapons are they?

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Nanii

stoic hamlet Oct 3, 2019, 3:13 AM

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The autocannons on the Mark II

(IIRC) the Stanchion

Underbarrel launchers.

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I was wrong on the Stanchion

strong sage Oct 3, 2019, 3:16 AM

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Railgun uses 25mm right if im not mistaken

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And the prototype suit that ghost used during the battle of algolis r they the same as Mark II fam?

clever fable Oct 3, 2019, 5:22 AM

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I mean that's basically the Sharquoi in a nutshell, yeah?

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Problem is that even if you're resistent, your body still gets used for biomass eventually.

last anchor Oct 3, 2019, 5:27 AM

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More or less. Like Lekgolo

clever fable Oct 3, 2019, 5:47 AM

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Back when bungie was making Marathon, they had these things called Hulks/Drinniol. They got used as inspiration for Sharquoi designs for Halo:CE, but never really used. They had a mention or two since then, but never got brought front and center for Halo's story until one of the more recent novels.

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They had a weird resistence to Flood infection, so Forerunners began to modify and weaponize their race.

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Mostly, I think. They have a tech-induced hivemind thing going on though.

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Envoy is the book it's from. Couldn't finish it myself, but you may like it.

past olive Oct 3, 2019, 9:52 AM

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Sergeant Johnson has a resistance to the flood iirc, it was initially he just "survived" and then in the lore it was suggested that he was straight up "immune" but that was retconned to him just being a badass and fighting his way out on the ring but now I think the current belief is that he has a resistance but he isn't completely immune as well as he was just a badass and fought his way out.

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so at the current point in time there aren't anyone 100% "immune", but previously is was suggested that Johnson was

radiant sphinx Oct 3, 2019, 10:27 AM

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The gene of badassery

humble yacht Oct 3, 2019, 12:47 PM

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Johnson does not have immunity nor resistance to the flood. Joe staten retconned that. Johnson only survived by his skill and grit.

versed helm Oct 3, 2019, 12:49 PM

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It was a Halo Follower idea that Johnson is immune

humble yacht Oct 3, 2019, 12:56 PM

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Actually it was Eric Nylund’s idea

warm ridge Oct 3, 2019, 1:02 PM

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@past olive It was never stated in the lore that he was "immune" what so ever. Nor did he have any resistance to it. The only thing we knew is he was infected with Flood tissue, and had "regenerative" abilities like the Flood. That's as far as Halsey went into detail with her medical report on Johnson himself.

past olive Oct 3, 2019, 1:03 PM

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I didn't say that it was stated

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I said "suggested"

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like, indirectly suggested

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and I was mainly going off of Eric Nylunds idea when I said that as Chimera mentioned

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I wasn't sure if it had actually been placed in the lore itself or not

versed helm Oct 3, 2019, 2:40 PM

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Did the guardian turn off Sangheilios?

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In Bad Blood, The Guardian i'm assuming turned off everything on Sangheilios

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No, there's multiple guardians, thousands

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She took them to do something

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But i think they turned off everything on Sangheilios

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I never said destroy

humble yacht Oct 3, 2019, 2:50 PM

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Cortana collected all the guardians at Genesis first

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Then at the end of H5, she sends each guardian to a different galactic sector to enforce her rule

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A Guardian disabled half of Sanghelios’ systems, but just half the planet

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Weaponry? Unlikely anything humans could muster. Short of detonating a havok nuke on a guardian

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However we’ve seen that engineers can disable a guardian if you manage to sneak one on board

clever fable Oct 3, 2019, 2:54 PM

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I feel like Guardians wouldn't have been very good at policing in the Forerunner's territories if it "only" took a havok.

versed helm Oct 3, 2019, 2:54 PM

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Well, Guardians have a shield capable of stopping multiple MAC rounds

humble yacht Oct 3, 2019, 2:55 PM

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By engineer, I mean a huragok

versed helm Oct 3, 2019, 2:55 PM

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The little things made by the forerunners

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adorable, bad pets tho

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Rookie died anyways RIP

carmine sleet Oct 3, 2019, 2:56 PM

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To be fair, Rookie didn't have much they could do to develop him

versed helm Oct 3, 2019, 2:56 PM

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What do you mean tech?

clever fable Oct 3, 2019, 2:57 PM

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I'd take just about anyone a novel has focused on over Locke tbh

versed helm Oct 3, 2019, 2:57 PM

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I was talking about Slipstream TECHnician, just didn't wanna spell it out

carmine sleet Oct 3, 2019, 2:58 PM

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Rookie was basically not a character and more of a way for the player to see into the Halo world from a different perspective to Chief

versed helm Oct 3, 2019, 2:58 PM

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I know that

carmine sleet Oct 3, 2019, 2:58 PM

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Also, call me Slip for short, that won't confuse people as much

versed helm Oct 3, 2019, 2:58 PM

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Slip, neat

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Wait a minute, why did you change your pfp

carmine sleet Oct 3, 2019, 2:59 PM

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That's not important to Halo lore

clever fable Oct 3, 2019, 2:59 PM

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It's an integral issue to the lore.

versed helm Oct 3, 2019, 2:59 PM

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And i agree he wasn't an actual character but he still is in lore

humble yacht Oct 3, 2019, 2:59 PM

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Hm. The halopedia entry of Legacy of Onyx makes no mention of guardians, the created, or Prone To Drift

versed helm Oct 3, 2019, 3:00 PM

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That's, odd

fair hazel Oct 3, 2019, 3:27 PM

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Sanghelios was hit by cortana. Reason why you see things like they are at the end of halo 5.

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Palmer was a protagonist

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There's several playable characters too.

stoic hamlet Oct 3, 2019, 3:27 PM

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I changed my pfp to be spoopy :3

feral perch Oct 3, 2019, 3:41 PM

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I’m just waiting until the Iron Cross is labeled a hate symbol, along with bowl haircuts lol

versed helm Oct 3, 2019, 3:48 PM

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bowl haircuts is already labeled

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but that's not really a lore discussion

stoic hamlet Oct 3, 2019, 3:50 PM

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Not actually an iron cross

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It’s the symbol of the Knights Hospitaller

feral perch Oct 3, 2019, 3:57 PM

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I know, Dark. It’s ~~insane~~ dumb, but you’re right that it’s not lore.

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So who likes project Cobalt?

obsidian thistle Oct 3, 2019, 5:41 PM

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I love it

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Gave us names for armor sets

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Stopped us having 4 unnamed armor sets

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4 more unnamed Mark IV sets.

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Seriously 343i be killing me with the no name stuff for Mark IV xD

vivid dust Oct 3, 2019, 6:34 PM

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are there multiple Mark IV sets?

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Besides the "regular" one and the ones from Collateral Damage and, I suppose, the Denning novels?

stoic hamlet Oct 3, 2019, 6:40 PM

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Technically yes

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You can argue every different helmet counts as a variant

versed helm Oct 3, 2019, 6:50 PM

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Buck is around 49 years old...

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He was born before Chief

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insane

vivid dust Oct 3, 2019, 6:51 PM

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Lord Hood being younger than Johnson is more insane

versed helm Oct 3, 2019, 6:51 PM

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Lord hood looks like he's 70

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Apparently, Johnson was 70-75 years old when he died??? is it even possible he's able to be as fit as he was and be able to fight

humble yacht Oct 3, 2019, 6:53 PM

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he was a Spartan I

versed helm Oct 3, 2019, 6:53 PM

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cryostasis is a wonderful thing

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Omg i forgot about that

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im not smart

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wow i actually forgot about Cryo

humble yacht Oct 3, 2019, 6:54 PM

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well cryo certainly makes him biologically younger than his chronological age, but unless he was in cryo for 20+ years, I doubt it'd be that significant of an effect

versed helm Oct 3, 2019, 6:55 PM

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So, was Johnson trained to be an ODST? i see an article in Halopedia saying he was trained to be deployed into a SOEIV

stoic hamlet Oct 3, 2019, 6:58 PM

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You don’t need to bean ODST to be drop pod rated

versed helm Oct 3, 2019, 6:58 PM

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Then how come they don't train more Marines to be rated?

humble yacht Oct 3, 2019, 6:59 PM

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The same reason why not every modern soldier applies to be special forces

versed helm Oct 3, 2019, 7:00 PM

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Ah

stable schooner Oct 3, 2019, 7:03 PM

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One thing I don’t get is how does being a Marine and ODST Sergeant at the same time work. Like Stacker leads a Marine squad on Earth and an ODST squad on Delta Halo

humble yacht Oct 3, 2019, 7:05 PM

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ODSTs are part of the marine corp

stable schooner Oct 3, 2019, 7:05 PM

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I know but their still their own Platoons/divisions etc.

versed helm Oct 3, 2019, 7:06 PM

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From Halopedia Stacker appears outfitted in both standard Marine attire and ODST Armor at different points in Halo 2 and 3. Strangely, he is depicted as a regular Marine during the Halo 2 level Outskirts, yet he and his fireteam wear ODST armor in the cutscene Another Day at the Beach. This could be a symptom of Bungie's hesitance to include Orbital Drop Shock Troopers Halo 2 during it's development, despite pressure from the Microsoft Franchise Development Group.

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Idk if that helps at all

stable schooner Oct 3, 2019, 7:08 PM

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Like you wouldn’t have a Marine Sergeant in the US Military leading Marines then leading Green Berets the next day.

versed helm Oct 3, 2019, 7:08 PM

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Also you wouldn't have Sergeant Forge lead a group of Spartans, but he did anyways

stable schooner Oct 3, 2019, 7:10 PM

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That’s completely different and define lead, more like they were there assisting with the Engine he never leads in the actual Campaign.

humble yacht Oct 3, 2019, 7:10 PM

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Green Berets are army

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A marine special forces SGT could command non spec ops Marines

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still same division

stable schooner Oct 3, 2019, 7:11 PM

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Ok my bad replace Green berets with MARSOC

versed helm Oct 3, 2019, 7:11 PM

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Jerome occasionally addresses Forge as Sir in cutscenes, despite outranking the sergeant by three grades or so, Its possible that this is merely a sign of respect by Jerome.

humble yacht Oct 3, 2019, 7:12 PM

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If a Mar Spec Forces CO shows up on a battle field then all lesser ranked Marines (whether spec forces or not) would have to follow their orders

stable schooner Oct 3, 2019, 7:13 PM

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But what if it’s a Standard Marine Sergeant and their Marine Spec Ops

humble yacht Oct 3, 2019, 7:14 PM

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i dunno but that scenario doesn't apply to stacker

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Stacker was an ODST

versed helm Oct 3, 2019, 7:14 PM

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They just didn't have ODSTs in Halo 2, so he was put as a regular Marine by what it sounds like

stable schooner Oct 3, 2019, 7:14 PM

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ODSTs are in Halo 2

humble yacht Oct 3, 2019, 7:15 PM

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yeah, Delta Halo mission

stable schooner Oct 3, 2019, 7:15 PM

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Dead ones on Cairo to

versed helm Oct 3, 2019, 7:15 PM

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oh yea

humble yacht Oct 3, 2019, 7:15 PM

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well good luck trying to order a dead soldier, no matter what branch or division you're in

stable schooner Oct 3, 2019, 7:16 PM

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😑

versed helm Oct 3, 2019, 7:16 PM

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How was Master Builder Faber corrupt ?

humble yacht Oct 3, 2019, 7:16 PM

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master faber?

versed helm Oct 3, 2019, 7:16 PM

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yea

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I read in another halo group that he was evil, and corrupt

stable schooner Oct 3, 2019, 7:18 PM

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However that’s a good point Stacker is an ODST so I guess deployed leading marines also makes sense. I’d also consider day at the Beach Noncanon since it’s a Cut Scene.

humble yacht Oct 3, 2019, 7:18 PM

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he was politically ruthless, for sure

versed helm Oct 3, 2019, 7:19 PM

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Didn't he not agree with the Didact?

humble yacht Oct 3, 2019, 7:19 PM

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he was Didact's main political rival

versed helm Oct 3, 2019, 7:19 PM

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Also, he was cruel, wasn't he?

humble yacht Oct 3, 2019, 7:20 PM

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evidence points to yes

stable schooner Oct 3, 2019, 7:23 PM

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Also not to restart an intense debate but I change my stance to from 343 Cutscene Elites simply not looking fast to they don’t ever Leap.

versed helm Oct 3, 2019, 7:54 PM

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didact is simply a title

humble yacht Oct 3, 2019, 7:56 PM

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Ur-Didact was the original, Iso-Didact was his replacement after the og went missing

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Ur is Shadow of Sundered Star

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Iso is Bornstellar Made Eternal Lasting

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talk about an awkward dinner convo between those two and Librarian

feral perch Oct 3, 2019, 8:33 PM

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So why did Bungie not want to put ODSTs in Halo 2?

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Why would Microsoft want them to?

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That's weird man.

stable schooner Oct 3, 2019, 8:35 PM

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Bungie didn’t create ODSTs is my guess

unique rune Oct 3, 2019, 8:36 PM

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IIRC the official statement was that Bungie was afraid players wouldn't recognize or understand what ODSTs were?

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But I'd imagine part of the actual reason was because, yeah, ODSTs weren't something they created.
And we all know Bungie didn't seem to like other people getting into their stuff...

feral perch Oct 3, 2019, 8:37 PM

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It's so weird though. They're pretty much a part of the background in Halo 2. I don't get what's so alienating about some special forces in a military sci-fi shooter?

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And so many people love ODSTs, Bungie themselves ended up doing a spinoff.

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I guess it's like with The Fall of Reach. Bungie was just oddly stubborn sometimes.

stable schooner Oct 3, 2019, 8:48 PM

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Yeah I think Bungie got over it when they realized they could put their own spin on ODSTs and realized oh yeah these guys are awesome now!

last anchor Oct 3, 2019, 8:50 PM

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ODSTs were Nylunds deal and then fleshed out by Diaz yes?

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They first showed up in Fall of Reach and we first saw the SOIEVs in Flood

feral perch Oct 3, 2019, 8:50 PM

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Oh that's right!

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I forgot about it. It somehow seems like The Fall of Reach exists in a post-Halo 2 world because of how primitive CE is in several ways.

last anchor Oct 3, 2019, 8:51 PM

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I think what happened was they didn't like them much, but then they saw how they were written by Nylund and Diaz and said "sure, we can use this"

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Heh

stable schooner Oct 3, 2019, 8:52 PM

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I mean they did get to design them in Halo 2 so I think they made ODSTs their own and then accepted them

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Seems a lot of ODST stuff got cut out of Halo 2 though

versed helm Oct 3, 2019, 8:54 PM

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nothing beats H3: ODST's designs

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for both BDU and SOEIV

feral perch Oct 3, 2019, 8:56 PM

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I'm all for Halo 2: Anniversary's take

gilded mason Oct 3, 2019, 8:57 PM

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H2A best

stable schooner Oct 3, 2019, 8:58 PM

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I don’t know why people hate it. It’s actually a faithful updating of the Halo 2 ODSTs unlike the Marines But I don’t think anything can Beat Halo 3 ODST’s ODSTs. Reach ODSTs weren’t even given their own full set.

versed helm Oct 3, 2019, 8:59 PM

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h2a's is just higher poly H2

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H3:ODST's is where it's at

gilded mason Oct 3, 2019, 9:00 PM

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h2a's is just higher poly H2
And that's what makes it so good

stable schooner Oct 3, 2019, 9:00 PM

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Which is a good thing imo though the color is different but I agree, Peak for me

versed helm Oct 3, 2019, 9:00 PM

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it's a slab

stable schooner Oct 3, 2019, 9:01 PM

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? I’m confused on what you mean.

versed helm Oct 3, 2019, 9:01 PM

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📎 H2ADroppod.png

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no paneling

stable schooner Oct 3, 2019, 9:03 PM

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I didn’t know we were comparing pods now but I never actually thought about it myself

versed helm Oct 3, 2019, 9:03 PM

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oh, I was talking about the SOEIV lol

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I don't mind the ODST BDU in H2A, but I still prefer H3:ODST's BDU

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give me a higher poly version of that and I'd say we'd peaked at that point

obsidian thistle Oct 3, 2019, 9:25 PM

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https://www.halopedia.org/Single_Occupant_Exoatmospheric_Insertion_Vehicle#Variants

Halopedia

Single Occupant Exoatmospheric Insertion Vehicle

The Single Occupant Exoatmospheric Insertion Vehicle (SOEIV), informally known as the drop pod or egg, is a class of Human Entry Vehicle used by the United Nations Space Command to deploy an individual from high orbit to the surface. Manufactured by Ushuaia Armory, SOEIVs are...

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So many pods

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The HW2 version seems to be just repurposed Escape pods.

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The ODST version has no name atm

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Which makes me sad tbh.

versed helm Oct 3, 2019, 9:27 PM

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The Best

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that's its name

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😏

obsidian thistle Oct 3, 2019, 9:29 PM

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I say I am fond of the Halo 5 one.

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Seeing as if Mega Sets are taken at face value

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There be numerous colours of em

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For different ops

versed helm Oct 3, 2019, 9:30 PM

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not a fan of their design perfectly.

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it's hard to top ODST's

obsidian thistle Oct 3, 2019, 9:33 PM

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I'll take a Blue and White design anyday. :D Always loved how they work together.

📎 maxresdefault.jpg

versed helm Oct 3, 2019, 9:44 PM

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yeah, but we could just paint ODST's SOEIV and call it a day

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omg.

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a game where you can customize the SOEIV you drop in with

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🙀

last anchor Oct 3, 2019, 9:47 PM

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PLZ

vapid matrix Oct 3, 2019, 10:17 PM

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Dat would be pretty spicy

remote spruce Oct 3, 2019, 10:26 PM

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@feral perch the ODST debacle (and Fall of Reach book stuff) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbhoNpcXZ_k

vapid matrix Oct 3, 2019, 11:01 PM

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@versed helm I'm only aware of 2 but forerunners live for thousands upon thousands of years

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So many only 2

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Mabey

sonic ridge Oct 3, 2019, 11:33 PM

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How do sangheili mate, like do they only do it a certain time of the year and do they like do rituals to find mates and stuff?

gilded mason Oct 3, 2019, 11:41 PM

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Well...
Swordsmen can mate with whoever they want, even people already with spouses. Other than that, I imagine it's similar to what humans do.

stoic hamlet Oct 3, 2019, 11:58 PM

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Political marriages might also be a thing

gilded mason Oct 3, 2019, 11:58 PM

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I can see that.

vapid matrix Oct 4, 2019, 12:02 AM

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How long do sangheili live (human years)

vague scroll Oct 4, 2019, 12:03 AM

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No known number, estimated to be in the 200s

gilded mason Oct 4, 2019, 12:03 AM

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At least 200 years

vapid matrix Oct 4, 2019, 12:03 AM

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Hm

gilded mason Oct 4, 2019, 12:03 AM

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Though it's unknown how far past that they can go

vague scroll Oct 4, 2019, 12:03 AM

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^

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@versed helm Didact is ultimately a high ranking position in the Forerunner military, even with their millennial long life spans, it’s possible that the probability of dying in battle over old age is more common and therefore are likely more Didacts.

We simply know of two Didacts given the relevant period of Forerunner history that’s summed up by Halo media from 3, 4 and the Forerunner novel trilogy.

humble yacht Oct 4, 2019, 12:19 AM

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@sonic ridge keep it appropriate

sonic ridge Oct 4, 2019, 12:19 AM

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F

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Why is it Thel vadam and not vadamee

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The suffix tho

gilded mason Oct 4, 2019, 12:39 AM

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Sangheili dropped the -ee after leaving the Covenant, since it was added upon joining the Covenant military.

sonic ridge Oct 4, 2019, 12:41 AM

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F

fair hazel Oct 4, 2019, 1:25 AM

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There is no Didact rank or multiple normal didacts.

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Shadow-Of-Sundered-Star was given the name Didact because of his strict teachings at the war college. He was very didactic and so on, hence Didact.

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He was the leader of the prometheans. When he performed a brevet mutation on Bornstellar Makes Everlasting, he imprinted his mind and memories into him. In essence, Bornstellar started becoming a copy of the Didact, refered to as Ur-Didact, original didact. The Iso-Didact, bornstellar, had memories of the Ur-didact and so on, the experience, however the bornstellar mind made him different. the Iso-Didact activated the halo array. The Ur-Didact, composed humans and was imprisoned on requiem.

dreamy plaza Oct 4, 2019, 2:22 AM

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Okay okay, I have a hella dumb idea-
But how lore breaking would it be if there was an Halo game in the style of the old InFAMOUS game

stoic hamlet Oct 4, 2019, 3:18 AM

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Like in terms of powers and stuff? Or world traversal?

feral perch Oct 4, 2019, 3:33 AM

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Sounds like hip-hop Forerunners

obsidian thistle Oct 4, 2019, 7:18 AM

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Sounds like Halo MMO level of stuff

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https://www.halopedia.org/images/5/5c/MMO_PrototypeEffects_6.jpg

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https://www.halopedia.org/images/f/fc/MMO_PrototypeEffects_5.jpg

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Tbh I am kinda glad "that" didnt stick in the lore.

stoic hamlet Oct 4, 2019, 11:59 AM

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I’d argue if you wanted a good TPS open world either a game like Ghost Recon Wildlands/Breakpoint, or The Saboteur would be a idea to pull from.

still ibex Oct 4, 2019, 12:48 PM

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a halo mgs5 would be pretty cool

idle ether Oct 4, 2019, 1:37 PM

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But obviously on a Halo right?

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Free roaming on a Halo sounds awesome

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Oh lol

stoic hamlet Oct 4, 2019, 1:46 PM

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Yeah it wouldn’t work on a Halo

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It would have to be a colony

idle ether Oct 4, 2019, 1:48 PM

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In a drop pod of course

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Or pelican

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Lol no wonder they're always getting shot down...

stoic hamlet Oct 4, 2019, 1:50 PM

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I still say a game focused around ONI AAG would be pretty cool

idle ether Oct 4, 2019, 1:51 PM

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Omg what if they did a horror ONI story where you play as an agent or something?

stoic hamlet Oct 4, 2019, 1:51 PM

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Horror in what way?

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What would be the “horror”

idle ether Oct 4, 2019, 1:53 PM

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Dunno really... just something that occurred to me

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Flood?

stoic hamlet Oct 4, 2019, 1:54 PM

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That’s been done before

idle ether Oct 4, 2019, 1:54 PM

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Yea true

stoic hamlet Oct 4, 2019, 1:54 PM

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I feel like a lot of people forget how horrific the Covenant are, tbh

idle ether Oct 4, 2019, 1:55 PM

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Or even just showing how ONI is pretty terrifying as well?

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Covenant was very destructive of course

stoic hamlet Oct 4, 2019, 1:57 PM

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I’d rather not continue the absurd narrative that ONI are moustache twirling villains, thank you very much.

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But flood or Covenant could work

idle ether Oct 4, 2019, 1:59 PM

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Lol

last anchor Oct 4, 2019, 3:40 PM

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ONI could CAUSE the horror aspect, ala Umbrella Corp in Resident Evil...

stoic hamlet Oct 4, 2019, 4:37 PM

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I mean technically it hasn’t

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Depending on if you consider rogue elements as still part of ONI

dreamy plaza Oct 4, 2019, 5:52 PM

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Well-
For those who want to continue the old conversation I had, I think a mixture of both, but not in the grand power scale that InFAMOUS' conduits had.
Pretty much both, but not so much that they become stronger than even an Elite or probably an Orion-1 Subject like Johnson

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I'm not quite sure how it'll work on why/how they would even get the powers to begin with, perhaps a few humans were descendants of those who escaped/survived the Temple of Pain?

humble yacht Oct 4, 2019, 5:59 PM

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there weren't any survivors of the Palace of Pain

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even if some ancient human escaped, the Halos would have killed them

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also don't use profanity

dreamy plaza Oct 4, 2019, 6:03 PM

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Ah, my bad then

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But thanks anyways-
Ooo oo, new idea

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If you had the opportunity to outright make a new shotgun like weapon for Halo, what would it be?

carmine sleet Oct 4, 2019, 6:08 PM

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Needle Shotgun

stoic hamlet Oct 4, 2019, 6:13 PM

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Automatic

dreamy plaza Oct 4, 2019, 6:13 PM

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Hell yeah, my idea was either the needle one, or a sidearm revolver ljke shotgun

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Not practical at all, but it's just awesome

last island Oct 4, 2019, 6:14 PM

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wasnt there a brute handgun/shotgun in halo 3?

stoic hamlet Oct 4, 2019, 6:14 PM

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Ye

dreamy plaza Oct 4, 2019, 6:14 PM

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Yeah, but it's like really weird/awesome

stoic hamlet Oct 4, 2019, 6:14 PM

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The Mauler

dreamy plaza Oct 4, 2019, 6:14 PM

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Yeah, but isn't the Mauler a primary weapon?

last island Oct 4, 2019, 6:15 PM

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well i dont think halo really has a "primary" and "seconary" weapon, any weapon can go in either of the 2 slots

stoic hamlet Oct 4, 2019, 6:15 PM

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^

dreamy plaza Oct 4, 2019, 6:16 PM

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Yeah good point, but the overall size of it would probably make it like a primary

last island Oct 4, 2019, 6:16 PM

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have you seen the size of a magnum next to a marine 😂 thing could be an SMG with how large it is

dreamy plaza Oct 4, 2019, 6:17 PM

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Okay you got a point there tbh

stoic hamlet Oct 4, 2019, 6:17 PM

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I mean, it depends on who uses it

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To a Brute it’s a handgun

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To a Spartan it’s a carbine

last island Oct 4, 2019, 6:18 PM

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to a hunter its a peashooter

dreamy plaza Oct 4, 2019, 6:19 PM

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So, how would the Needle shotgun work?
No not really

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Mauler is a brute version of the unsc shotgun, just semiauto

last island Oct 4, 2019, 6:19 PM

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id love to see in maybe halo infinite, underbarrel attachments for some of the UNSC weapons

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im not sure if its goinjg of cannon material but theres a halo mod for Arma 3 and all the UNSC rifles, can have different scopes, silencers, grenade lanchers etc

humble yacht Oct 4, 2019, 6:20 PM

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you thinking of the spiker?

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spiker is not a shotgun

dreamy plaza Oct 4, 2019, 6:20 PM

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It fires effectively, the shotgun version of the sharp rounds of the spiker

humble yacht Oct 4, 2019, 6:21 PM

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I don't think mauler shoots spikes

dreamy plaza Oct 4, 2019, 6:21 PM

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It isn't made of the same stuff that needlers use, if it did then it'll also cause an explosion as well with the amount of needles it jams into the body

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Well, it's like really big pellets right?

versed helm Oct 4, 2019, 6:21 PM

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Spikers don't shoot the same ammunition as Needlers anyways

last island Oct 4, 2019, 6:22 PM

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the needler fires a crystal type ammo, the brute spiker and mauler fire just like pure heated metal spikes

humble yacht Oct 4, 2019, 6:22 PM

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All brute weapons are knife guns

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you have the Brute Shot (grenade launcher), spiker (SMG), and mauler (shotgun)

stoic hamlet Oct 4, 2019, 6:22 PM

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Technically the Spiker is a carbine

versed helm Oct 4, 2019, 6:22 PM

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technically

dreamy plaza Oct 4, 2019, 6:23 PM

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Exactly, needler rounds would cause an explosion

humble yacht Oct 4, 2019, 6:23 PM

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given it's one-handed nature, it feels like an SMG, but w/e

versed helm Oct 4, 2019, 6:23 PM

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But yea it somehow is

proud quail Oct 4, 2019, 6:23 PM

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technically the spiker isnt shooting pistol or rifle calibres to properly distinguish it

dreamy plaza Oct 4, 2019, 6:23 PM

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Yeah, so much so that literally not even the elites know how it works

versed helm Oct 4, 2019, 6:23 PM

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I don't think spikes go under a calibre

last island Oct 4, 2019, 6:23 PM

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would the needler technically fire some kind of flacette/HE-DP dart then...since they bounce around and explode

proud quail Oct 4, 2019, 6:23 PM

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y-yeah, the joke

versed helm Oct 4, 2019, 6:24 PM

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Tungsten rods

stoic hamlet Oct 4, 2019, 6:24 PM

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But it’s size compared to a Spartan makes me think of a carbine.

Same with the Plasma Rifle.

proud quail Oct 4, 2019, 6:24 PM

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SMGs shoot pistol calibres, carbines shoot rifle calibres, spiker shoots big pointy objects

versed helm Oct 4, 2019, 6:24 PM

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Well, The brutes weaponry is such a lower tier level than The sangheilis weapons

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Brutes are tier level 5 i think?

dreamy plaza Oct 4, 2019, 6:24 PM

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And perhaps the needler shotgun looks like a single shell shotgun, but alien?

versed helm Oct 4, 2019, 6:25 PM

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Ah

stoic hamlet Oct 4, 2019, 6:25 PM

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Well a Carbine historically was something in between a rifle and a pistol.

Usually used from horseback.

versed helm Oct 4, 2019, 6:25 PM

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We still have and use carbines today

proud quail Oct 4, 2019, 6:25 PM

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Radiated concentrated bolts

dreamy plaza Oct 4, 2019, 6:25 PM

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Radioactive junk, if i remember-
Yeah tjay

proud quail Oct 4, 2019, 6:25 PM

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or something along those lines

stoic hamlet Oct 4, 2019, 6:25 PM

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The Covenant Carbine is IMO actually a rifle

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But I’m getting into semantics

humble yacht Oct 4, 2019, 6:26 PM

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does the carbine apply spin to the projectile?

proud quail Oct 4, 2019, 6:26 PM

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extra batteries, homie

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do any of the covenant weapons apply "spin"

stoic hamlet Oct 4, 2019, 6:26 PM

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I don’t think it’s rifled, no

humble yacht Oct 4, 2019, 6:26 PM

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then it ain't a rifle

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;D

stoic hamlet Oct 4, 2019, 6:26 PM

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But in terms of its size

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Fair enough lol

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Smoothbore

dreamy plaza Oct 4, 2019, 6:26 PM

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The clips are automat ejected in the carbine

humble yacht Oct 4, 2019, 6:26 PM

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Plasma Rifle is big misnomer

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unless they're counting electron spin or some crap

versed helm Oct 4, 2019, 6:27 PM

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Well, the Sangheili are big people

proud quail Oct 4, 2019, 6:27 PM

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for you

versed helm Oct 4, 2019, 6:27 PM

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What's that supposed to mean

dreamy plaza Oct 4, 2019, 6:27 PM

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Yeah canonically Elites are around 8 feet tall

proud quail Oct 4, 2019, 6:28 PM

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that is also a joke. namely one revolving the dark knight rises

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speaking of plasma rifles

dreamy plaza Oct 4, 2019, 6:28 PM

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Oh-
Pfft lol

proud quail Oct 4, 2019, 6:28 PM

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why is the small one not the plasma repeater and the big one the rifle

versed helm Oct 4, 2019, 6:28 PM

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Ripa is a jerk

proud quail Oct 4, 2019, 6:28 PM

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ripa was a chimp

versed helm Oct 4, 2019, 6:28 PM

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And Moramee****

proud quail Oct 4, 2019, 6:29 PM

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all that muscle mass but you lose to a 6 inch boy

humble yacht Oct 4, 2019, 6:30 PM

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:/

dreamy plaza Oct 4, 2019, 6:30 PM

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Would the needler shotgun look sorta similar to a single shell shotgun, or a double barrel?

proud quail Oct 4, 2019, 6:32 PM

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arent arbiters highly regarded for their fighting skills

dreamy plaza Oct 4, 2019, 6:32 PM

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I mean, I think most Arbiters would've been a bit experienced in fighting

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Yeah, they were all highly experienced warriors just used for dirty work

humble yacht Oct 4, 2019, 6:33 PM

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Arbiters are sent on suicide missions but the prophets still want those missions to be successful

dreamy plaza Oct 4, 2019, 6:34 PM

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Exactly, like the Halo 2 mission heretic
Thel is forced to hunt down the Heretics and their group

proud quail Oct 4, 2019, 6:34 PM

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arbiters are just extra rare headhunters

dreamy plaza Oct 4, 2019, 6:35 PM

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But whay if they get burnt?

humble yacht Oct 4, 2019, 6:35 PM

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then it's not medium rare

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tartarus didn't say that line

dreamy plaza Oct 4, 2019, 6:37 PM

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Good point
Howbwouldtan elite react to eating a burger

humble yacht Oct 4, 2019, 6:37 PM

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that was just some random brute guard

dreamy plaza Oct 4, 2019, 6:37 PM

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Do Spartans evej have the ability to enjoy Burger King/Mcdonalds

carmine sleet Oct 4, 2019, 6:38 PM

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Spartans aren't devoid of emotion, Rizzy, they do have the ability to enjoy things

dreamy plaza Oct 4, 2019, 6:39 PM

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And as such
Chief going to McDonald's is canon

remote spruce Oct 4, 2019, 6:39 PM

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"Sir, what is this Happy Meal"

dreamy plaza Oct 4, 2019, 6:40 PM

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Noble six secretly has a collection of happy meal toys

proud quail Oct 4, 2019, 6:46 PM

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"Howbwouldtan elite react to eating a burger"

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the real question is can an elite eat anything as round as a burger to begin with

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there's no lower mouth, how are you goign to bite and chew

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are you going to swallow a whole big mac like a bird

dreamy plaza Oct 4, 2019, 6:47 PM

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Yeah, didn't they gave a way in the covenant?

humble yacht Oct 4, 2019, 6:47 PM

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they can just turn the burger on its side

proud quail Oct 4, 2019, 6:47 PM

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what, and eat the buns first like a cretin?

humble yacht Oct 4, 2019, 6:47 PM

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think about it

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if elites have side mandibles, then turning the burger on its side means they get a full bite

carmine sleet Oct 4, 2019, 6:48 PM

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Doesn't prevent them from not having things akin to sandwiches

dreamy plaza Oct 4, 2019, 6:50 PM

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Would they?

humble yacht Oct 4, 2019, 6:50 PM

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humans like bread

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cavemen didn't eat bread, we evolved to learn how to process grains

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i'm sure elites could do the same

dreamy plaza Oct 4, 2019, 6:50 PM

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Yeah, but I think their culture would at least have some sort of culinary art

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And yeah they do

gilded mason Oct 4, 2019, 6:51 PM

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They grow and process grain, so I assume so

dreamy plaza Oct 4, 2019, 6:51 PM

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One of ONI's sabatoges involved poisoning the crops and grains for elites

gilded mason Oct 4, 2019, 6:51 PM

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It was pretty silly

dreamy plaza Oct 4, 2019, 6:52 PM

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Yeah, it probably would be

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But how would their alien bread taste? I think it'll taste something like cake or sourbread

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They tried to when Elite/Human peace treaties was being used

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It was somewhere either during Halo 2-after Halo 3

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I think

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An elite soldier but he/she is a hella good chef
Chef Thel-Ardee

proud quail Oct 4, 2019, 8:10 PM

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it was in the kilo-five books, glasslands and thursday war

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the whole ONI subplot was weird

dreamy plaza Oct 4, 2019, 8:31 PM

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Yeah

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But just imagine a elite having their own cooking show

carmine sleet Oct 4, 2019, 8:32 PM

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If Thel was the one hosting it, they could call it Arby's... Wait, that's a fast food chain that already exists

dreamy plaza Oct 4, 2019, 8:34 PM

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That's c o p y r i g h t

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What would it be called then?

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Well, doesn't matter, it's gonna be watched by ONI anyways-

gilded mason Oct 4, 2019, 8:44 PM

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"He makes such clean slices! Record that, hurry!"

dreamy plaza Oct 4, 2019, 8:45 PM

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Lol

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"Look at this Alien, this guy cooks better than my mom!"

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And he uses plasma to cook the meat perfectly

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"And we're going to use two pounds of ungogny meat, but for those who don't have access to that, you can simply use any other meat."

neat bough Oct 4, 2019, 9:18 PM

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Just curious, will we ever see a reprint of The Halo Graphic Novel from 2006?

midnight loom Oct 4, 2019, 10:41 PM

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nah probably not

fallow quest Oct 5, 2019, 2:13 AM

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Don't know about Mark IV [b] but the difference between Mark V [b] and at least the one Chief wears is that Mark V [b] can't store a Smart AI in it. Thats why we carry the Cortana fragment on our back.

warm ridge Oct 5, 2019, 3:32 AM

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Oh god.

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I just realized something.

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You know how Emile technically "dies" at the end of Reach after he was stabbed by the Elite?
I don't think he actually died at all. Rather he was knocked unconscious due to the fall/immense pain from being stabbed straight in the chest. This is why his shields were still active.

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He most definitely died due to blood loss/internal injuries in probably under a hour or so, but he wasn't actually "dead" when Noble Six came across his body.

stable schooner Oct 5, 2019, 3:34 AM

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Oh no here we go again

warm ridge Oct 5, 2019, 3:34 AM

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go again on about what

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Noble 6 and Emile are dead, neither survived the Fall of Reach.

stable schooner Oct 5, 2019, 3:36 AM

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Emile’s Shields being active was not intentional.

warm ridge Oct 5, 2019, 3:38 AM

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the point is it also explains how Emile's body was also in that position. He wasn't immediately dead at all.

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100% died of blood loss/internal injuries though. Likely became unconscious shortly after.

stable schooner Oct 5, 2019, 3:39 AM

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The Zealots also have their shields active and one of them got shot in the face by Emile’s Shotgun pointblank.

warm ridge Oct 5, 2019, 3:41 AM

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read what I said throughly rather then paying attention to the shield part only.

stable schooner Oct 5, 2019, 3:42 AM

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If Emile was alive then so were those 2 Zealots

warm ridge Oct 5, 2019, 3:43 AM

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The 2 Zealots were definitely dead, one got shot straight in the face. The other got stabbed in the neck/head and probably took the brunt of the impact from the fall, Emile using his body as a "cushion".

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The point is Emile was knocked unconscious due to the pain/blood loss more then likely. He then died in probably under a hour afterwards, never recovering a conscious state.

stable schooner Oct 5, 2019, 3:44 AM

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But their shields are active. Literally no different then Emile who got stabbed in the back with an Energy sword.

warm ridge Oct 5, 2019, 3:44 AM

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do you know what happens to humans when they lose a lot of blood/body parts? They go unconscious, then die.

stable schooner Oct 5, 2019, 3:45 AM

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Your missing the point your evidence is an glitch that has no more weight then the 2 Zealots next to him

warm ridge Oct 5, 2019, 3:45 AM

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Better yet, any sort of internal injury at all? Yeah. An unconscious state happens.

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If your lungs are bleeding internally, what happens? Do you die immediately? or go unconscious?

stable schooner Oct 5, 2019, 3:46 AM

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By that logic the Zealot who got stabbed in the neck is most definitely alive to

warm ridge Oct 5, 2019, 3:47 AM

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No one is saying he survived Reach, he's dead either way. The thing I'm explaining is how he died. @versed helm

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Byzantine is ignoring every other point and pointing directly towards shields exclusively, which is funny.

stable schooner Oct 5, 2019, 3:48 AM

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Cause literally nothing you said is evidence and could be contributed to that neck stabbed Zealot to.

warm ridge Oct 5, 2019, 3:48 AM

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Everything I said is evidence, are you ok dude?

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You clearly don't understand how the human body shuts down when experiencing internal injuries, or what it does to try to "stay alive".

stable schooner Oct 5, 2019, 3:50 AM

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Human body can’t survive pure plasma burning your insides and piercing your heart. Again the Zealot would also be alive by that logic

warm ridge Oct 5, 2019, 3:50 AM

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@versed helm tl;dr parts of his organs would be fried we know this, and likely tons of exploded blood vessels due to boiling. It'd be a combination of blood loss/fried organs altogether, knocking him unconscious and shortly after being clinically dead.

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Byzantine doesn't seem to understand this though.

stable schooner Oct 5, 2019, 3:51 AM

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Do you think that Zealot instantly died?

warm ridge Oct 5, 2019, 3:52 AM

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At which part? When Emile stabbed him? No. That Zealot was still alive. When the Zealot took the blunt of the impact from falling? Probably.

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The other Zealot that got a face full of shotgun was instantly dead though. Bungie at the time didn't want to show what a exploded Elite head would've looked like/didn't want to put effort in making it lol.

stable schooner Oct 5, 2019, 3:54 AM

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Also theirs no proof Emile cushioned on the Zealot based on their body positions nor do I see why a short fall would kill that Elite who still had his shields active by this reasoning

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Shields aren’t active on dead Elites though.

warm ridge Oct 5, 2019, 3:56 AM

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You can literally see Emile taking the Elite down with him in the cut scene, pushing the Elite below him.https://youtu.be/njolR_hFEWI?t=49

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If that's not proof enough already I don't know what to tell you.

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Emile's body position is like that because he was shocker still alive, and moved into that position himself.

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After wards he likely waited, became unconscious and in under 30 minutes or a hour, died due to internal injuries.

stable schooner Oct 5, 2019, 3:59 AM

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Literally just watched the Cutscene and the Elite is not under him when they fall. Bungie clearly intended for Emile to be dead Right there.

warm ridge Oct 5, 2019, 4:00 AM

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Dude it's literally right there for you to see, Emile still has his grasp on the Elite and all when falling.

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Practically moved the Elite below him, you can even see him turning the Elite in the air.

stable schooner Oct 5, 2019, 4:00 AM

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When they fall out of view it looks like the Elite is on him

warm ridge Oct 5, 2019, 4:01 AM

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of which the Elite took the impact from falling, Emile survived, Moved into that position against the railing, and became unconscious. How hard is this to understand?

stable schooner Oct 5, 2019, 4:01 AM

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Cause that’s all your own head. We don’t see what happens.

warm ridge Oct 5, 2019, 4:02 AM

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None of that's in my head lmfao. That's pretty much what happened.

stable schooner Oct 5, 2019, 4:02 AM

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“Pretty much” you don’t know what happened your guessing

warm ridge Oct 5, 2019, 4:02 AM

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He didn't "fall" against the railing dude. He moved his body into that position.

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Pretty much isn't "guessing" LOL.

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I don't know why it's so hard for you to understand this, I really don't.

stable schooner Oct 5, 2019, 4:03 AM

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Your thoughts aren’t fact. Cause your view on what happened off screen isn’t fact.

warm ridge Oct 5, 2019, 4:04 AM

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Except my view on what happened is based off how the human body functions, and works. Which in turn applies to Emile's death.

stable schooner Oct 5, 2019, 4:05 AM

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“Your view” and based off of again isn’t fact. It’s your opinion I find illogical.

warm ridge Oct 5, 2019, 4:05 AM

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You can stop making comments which don't apply to Emile's death now, and being ominous.

fair hazel Oct 5, 2019, 5:20 AM

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he didnt have biofoam auto-injectors

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mark-IV didnt have that

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realistically though cauterization happens at lower temperatures

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do you mean supposedly clashing two swords together?

fair hazel Oct 5, 2019, 7:38 AM

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no?

fair hazel Oct 5, 2019, 8:23 AM

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It’s hot. And it cuts. And it’s plasma. If vaporizes. And melts. And cuts.

warm ridge Oct 5, 2019, 9:17 AM

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energy sword is made of super heated plasma, and a elite swings at you really fast. Melee's do the same thing @versed helm

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shields burst either way.

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Energy sword is also really hot, it'll cut through just about anything if you force it to. Think of it like a plasma torch.

past olive Oct 5, 2019, 11:10 AM

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Tbh the way the halo universe treats plasma is a little bs to begin with. For starters since it's used to burn it's way through objects it is obviously a thermal plasma so cold plasma's can be ruled out. Due to how little damage plasma weapons do it would be closer to an industrial plasma and not natural plasma as natural plasma reaches temperatures of 1.2 million kelvin (or 1,199,727 million degrees Celsius) which would completely destroy their weapons no matter what material the covenant creates for their weapons. From what I remember covenant plasma is around 3000 kelvin in temperature. This is only in plasma pistols however, the plasma from the swords is likely closer to 10,000 kelvin or 20,000 kelvin as they can cut through metal like butter similar to plasma cutters in real life which use said temperatures. By the time temperatures of 6000 kelvin are reached all matter has evaporated into gas, meaning that realistically just holding one of the energy swords would kill anyone without sufficient protection, even the armour Spartans wear should be melting just being in that close proximity from holding it. Not to mention that when this temperature rapidly hits the human body any sweat flash evaporates into a steam explosion, meaning that upon activating the sword you are likely to be thrown back from the force of your own sweat exploding (the steam evaporates to more than 1600 times the volume of the initial sweat so a casual sweat should be enough to achieve an explosion). Now of course what is all this random nonsense I'm spouting related to? My point is that when Emile was stabbed through the back with the sword, excluding the steam explosion what should have happened is since the sword was in his body for a good 2.5-3 seconds, realistically his body should have literally evaporated and the armour be extremely melted.

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And I haven't even gone into the hilt of the blade or the elites armour, but unless it's been stated what materials they are made out of in the lore I'm gonna assume these are some elements undiscovered by humanity at this point that can withstand those temperatures.

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Maybe Matpat should do a video on whether the plasma the covenant use is real plasma or not

obsidian thistle Oct 5, 2019, 12:01 PM

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I remember the last time Gametheory did a video on Halo ring physics... and I killed it via Halo lore. XD

carmine sleet Oct 5, 2019, 12:06 PM

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I vaguely remember that video. Didn't he get most of the basic stuff about how a Halo works wrong?

obsidian thistle Oct 5, 2019, 12:16 PM

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👍

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He based stuff off gameplay also unfortunately

carmine sleet Oct 5, 2019, 12:24 PM

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Aye, he did that in his energy sword vs lightsaber video too

dreamy plaza Oct 5, 2019, 2:31 PM

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Okay now I'm interested in Sanghieli culinary arts-
Do t h e y c o o k ? ?

feral perch Oct 5, 2019, 3:00 PM

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Yes. Have you read Bad Blood?

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Or the Kilo-5 trilogy?

obsidian thistle Oct 5, 2019, 3:14 PM

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You could read Broken Circle also.

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Thats one of the rare almost completely humanless Covie stories

fair hazel Oct 5, 2019, 3:20 PM

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Plasma weapons deal a lot of damage. Why do you say they do little damage?
Also they’re are contained in magnetic fields so user is relatively safe.

stoic hamlet Oct 5, 2019, 3:32 PM

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By a lot of damage are we talking lore or gameplay?

feral perch Oct 5, 2019, 3:42 PM

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Lore.

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In lore they’re just as effective as projectiles, if not more, against armor and flesh

carmine sleet Oct 5, 2019, 3:44 PM

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At least with plasma, you won't die from bleeding out since it cauterises the wound. Would still be fatal if you don't get treatment quickly though

stoic hamlet Oct 5, 2019, 4:08 PM

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They’re way more effective than projectiles I’d argue

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A single plasma rifle bolt can blow off limbs

humble yacht Oct 5, 2019, 4:11 PM

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Plasma bolts shouldn’t have much stopping power, when you think about it

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When you think of their mass and speed, the kinetic energy is going to be much less than a bullet. I wonder how some plasma weapons have increased knockback/stopping power

stoic hamlet Oct 5, 2019, 4:27 PM

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The amount of energy perhaps?

humble yacht Oct 5, 2019, 4:30 PM

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Well the energy emitted as best won’t count towards the kinetic energy

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I’m not saying a plasma bolt isn’t dangerous, I just don’t see how it can have knockback properties

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If anything it would burn a hole straight through you without slowing you down

fair hazel Oct 5, 2019, 4:41 PM

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lore way more effective than projectiles damage wise

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vaporization of flesh, holes and loss of limbs due to flesh vaporize

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its like, get shot in the arm? i lose my arm

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maybe if your arm is bigger you keep it

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but me? i lose it

humble yacht Oct 5, 2019, 4:50 PM

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Sure but I’m just talking about offsetting your momentum

last anchor Oct 5, 2019, 5:13 PM

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It shouldnt

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Needler rounds, maybe. But I dont think plasma bolts have much mass

stoic hamlet Oct 5, 2019, 5:19 PM

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They likely wouldn’t yeah

barren niche Oct 5, 2019, 5:20 PM

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I'm no chemist or physicist but I feel like the type of gas you turn into plasma would effect the mass of the plasma

fair hazel Oct 5, 2019, 5:30 PM

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Some of the best délivrés probably would be changed into kinetic energy somewhere along the line

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Heat delivered

barren niche Oct 5, 2019, 5:36 PM

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wat

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I mean I guess having the plasma moving would mean it has Kinetic energy. So, yeah it would would transfer that, but I think the heat transferred would be from the fact that a gas has been super heated and hit me.

feral perch Oct 5, 2019, 5:41 PM

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You know what

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I like the BDUs worn by Halo 4 Marines

stable schooner Oct 5, 2019, 5:43 PM

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No offense and I’m not insulting you Stonewall but eww

barren niche Oct 5, 2019, 5:43 PM

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I like the BDU from the Halo Wars game

carmine sleet Oct 5, 2019, 5:45 PM

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My favourite has to be the Halo 3 BDUs but I don't mind the Halo 4 BDUs

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Like, there's not really one that I really dislike at all

unique rune Oct 5, 2019, 5:46 PM

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I like the H4 BDUs other than some of the color choices.

stable schooner Oct 5, 2019, 5:47 PM

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The Mask one and the Peak Helmet Marine variants in Halo 4 are alright imo it’s the white/Light brown ones I can’t stand

stoic hamlet Oct 5, 2019, 5:47 PM

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EVA Battle Dress or bust

stable schooner Oct 5, 2019, 5:48 PM

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But the Reach Marine not Trooper BDU is my Favorite

stoic hamlet Oct 5, 2019, 5:49 PM

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It’s called EVA Battle Dress @stable schooner

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(From Oblivion)

barren niche Oct 5, 2019, 5:50 PM

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The Halo4 bdu isn't awful, but imo it just seems generic. Like any other space marine from any other franchise might wear it.

unique rune Oct 5, 2019, 5:51 PM

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I feel like you could say that about any of the BDU variations.

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It's... kinda meant to be generic.

stoic hamlet Oct 5, 2019, 5:51 PM

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We have proof of that

barren niche Oct 5, 2019, 5:51 PM

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True, I also think they look clunky

stoic hamlet Oct 5, 2019, 5:51 PM

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Lemme get an image

barren niche Oct 5, 2019, 5:52 PM

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he has photographic evidence lads

stable schooner Oct 5, 2019, 5:52 PM

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Wait are you sure the Eva is the closed Reach Marine Helmet cause I looked it up and their not similar at all

stoic hamlet Oct 5, 2019, 5:53 PM

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The description is the same as what the marines wear in Reach, yes

barren niche Oct 5, 2019, 5:53 PM

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Could it just be different armour for space combat?

stoic hamlet Oct 5, 2019, 5:53 PM

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And as for the evidence:

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/321461313681227777/630100031801917450/image0.png

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From a (now defunct) Canadian TV show ^^

stable schooner Oct 5, 2019, 5:53 PM

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But their physically different and thats not Reach Marine Helmets

stoic hamlet Oct 5, 2019, 5:54 PM

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The CH252 helmet is the Reach helmet

barren niche Oct 5, 2019, 5:54 PM

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Lol, If I didn't know that and saw just that I would have thought it was an oddly animated Halo clip

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I was thinking about this the other day, does any books, or terminals mention humanity terraforming planets like Mars?

unique rune Oct 5, 2019, 5:56 PM

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Mars is colonized

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ODST HQ is there, as are a bunch of shipyards

stoic hamlet Oct 5, 2019, 5:57 PM

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Covenant invaded during the battle of Sol

unique rune Oct 5, 2019, 5:57 PM

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Misriah's also got facilities there

stoic hamlet Oct 5, 2019, 5:57 PM

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It’s the main HQ of Misriah

barren niche Oct 5, 2019, 5:58 PM

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How did I miss that

fair hazel Oct 5, 2019, 6:01 PM

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I guess you didn’t search for every clue.

stable schooner Oct 5, 2019, 6:01 PM

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Looters ruined the H2A Marines for me.

gilded mason Oct 5, 2019, 6:02 PM

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lol

fair hazel Oct 5, 2019, 6:04 PM

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How did he ruin them

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Halo wars is my favourite.

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Halo 2 is derived from it so they look good. I do like marines with the goggles or visors etc

stable schooner Oct 5, 2019, 6:10 PM

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Their not a faithful adaptation to Halo 2s Marines like the ODSTs and 2. They have thin plating over parts of their body that don’t need it while lacking actual thick Armor on their Chests.

fair hazel Oct 5, 2019, 6:10 PM

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1 is fine for me

stable schooner Oct 5, 2019, 6:11 PM

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True 1 is completely subjective but I like designs consistent.

fair hazel Oct 5, 2019, 6:12 PM

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Looks fine to me 2

stable schooner Oct 5, 2019, 6:15 PM

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And I use to not like Halo 2 marines but Looters brought up a valid point they come to every fight prepared with ammo pouches for every situation lol

barren niche Oct 5, 2019, 6:16 PM

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Consistent design is not Halo's thing, lol

stable schooner Oct 5, 2019, 6:17 PM

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True but I prefer you can tell evolution vs straight remake

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Halo 2 Elites look like CE Elites for Ex

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How Halo 3 Elites went to Reach Elites I’ll never know

barren niche Oct 5, 2019, 6:19 PM

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Oh yeah, the design change for the marines makes sense in halo 4 because the tech has made advancements. but somethings, like the way grunts look, is just weird.

stable schooner Oct 5, 2019, 6:20 PM

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Halo 4 marines have too many completely different looking multicolored variants and some look less advanced Then the Others

barren niche Oct 5, 2019, 6:21 PM

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I am just glad they haven't messed with the design for the ODSTs much, if I remember correctly they look the same through out the series

carmine sleet Oct 5, 2019, 6:23 PM

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Halo 2 ODSTs looked different to later incarnations

barren niche Oct 5, 2019, 6:25 PM

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Yeah, the helmet is pretty large.

stable schooner Oct 5, 2019, 6:26 PM

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Yeah Halo 2 ODSTs noticeably look different then the 3-Reach design. Though I’d argue it was made more clear in H2A

stoic hamlet Oct 5, 2019, 6:34 PM

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I much prefer the 3-Reach design over their H2 and H2A design. Personally

stable schooner Oct 5, 2019, 6:36 PM

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So do I Honestly though I think their all good and Halo 3 ODST the best

warped beacon Oct 5, 2019, 6:55 PM

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What's everyone's favorite Halo novel? Mine is The Fall of Reach.

barren niche Oct 5, 2019, 7:15 PM

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I have listened to the Halo Renegade book. Its not bad but the lady who did the reading in’t all that good. I accidentally bought the wrong book. I should have gotten Smoke and Shadow first

gilded mason Oct 5, 2019, 8:08 PM

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Stuff

barren niche Oct 5, 2019, 8:13 PM

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Like from a lore standpoint or a gameplay standpoint?

gilded mason Oct 5, 2019, 8:13 PM

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We are in a lore channel, after all. 😋

feral perch Oct 5, 2019, 8:15 PM

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I thought the ODST helmet in 3-Reach looked like it was made with someone with a skeletal defect in mind, like some kind of skull deformity.

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It’s grown on me with time, but my favorite is still H2A.

gilded mason Oct 5, 2019, 8:16 PM

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👌

barren niche Oct 5, 2019, 8:17 PM

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@versed helm well the wiki's don't seem to go into much detail but if I had to guess, it just increases the output strength of the spartan's shield

unique rune Oct 5, 2019, 8:18 PM

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That's probably about it

barren niche Oct 5, 2019, 8:18 PM

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It probably overrides some safety features or adds a small amount of extra energy for the shield.

unique rune Oct 5, 2019, 8:18 PM

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built-in generators can only support certain shield strength for a limited amount of time

barren niche Oct 5, 2019, 8:19 PM

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Well small in relative terms

feral perch Oct 5, 2019, 8:20 PM

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Is it canon for a user of an overshield to be invulnerable to all forms of damage during the charge-up sequence though?

gilded mason Oct 5, 2019, 8:21 PM

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Of course. How else would they speed run so well?

barren niche Oct 5, 2019, 8:21 PM

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Idk, but I think our best bet is to look into how the Armor Lock ability works.

feral perch Oct 5, 2019, 8:21 PM

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Speed-running is canon.

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I would love a novel based on one of the games, except it’s written from a speedrunner’s perspective.

gilded mason Oct 5, 2019, 8:22 PM

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lol

barren niche Oct 5, 2019, 8:23 PM

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"Cortana, as soon as the first cutscene ends start the timer"

gilded mason Oct 5, 2019, 8:23 PM

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"Chief, what-?"

feral perch Oct 5, 2019, 8:24 PM

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”I’ve got the door unlocked—Chief?” Cortana said, as the Chief stacked three grenades, broke an overshield casing and used the momentum granted to him by the explosions to bypass three entire decks on the Covenant battlecruiser.

barren niche Oct 5, 2019, 8:24 PM

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Well, that why I always wondered what difficulty Halo actually takes place in. Legendary on Halo 2 would be brutal

gilded mason Oct 5, 2019, 8:25 PM

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No game difficulty is an exact match, really

barren niche Oct 5, 2019, 8:25 PM

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plus, marines are just left behind constantly in Halo: CE so I always wondered what tactically advantage that had

feral perch Oct 5, 2019, 8:25 PM

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”I hope my RNG for this next room is good,“ John thought to himself.

gilded mason Oct 5, 2019, 8:27 PM

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On one hand Chief is an unstoppable force killing aliens left and right
Though I imagine that's from choosing his fights carefully and smart tactics to keep from getting overwhelmed.

barren niche Oct 5, 2019, 8:27 PM

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Well Halsey classifies Chief as Hyper Lethal.

gilded mason Oct 5, 2019, 8:27 PM

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pls no

carmine sleet Oct 5, 2019, 8:27 PM

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Not the hyper lethal talk again

feral perch Oct 5, 2019, 8:28 PM

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Isn’t that canon though?

gilded mason Oct 5, 2019, 8:28 PM

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It was in a commercial.

barren niche Oct 5, 2019, 8:28 PM

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Cool so not cannon

feral perch Oct 5, 2019, 8:29 PM

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Hm. But the Believe and Deliver Hope commercials are canon.

gilded mason Oct 5, 2019, 8:29 PM

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It just sounds extremely self-congratulatory to me.

feral perch Oct 5, 2019, 8:30 PM

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Halsey is kinda like that though. She says as much in Halo 4’s prologue

barren niche Oct 5, 2019, 8:30 PM

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I don’t mind that they rated chief as hyper lethal, its not like we the player needed to know that. We just assumed

gilded mason Oct 5, 2019, 8:31 PM

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As in, they'd have her say Noble-6 is Hyper-lethal and then link it vaguely to John to say "Don't worry, gamers. This new guy is cool, too." Y'know?

feral perch Oct 5, 2019, 8:31 PM

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Ah I getcha.

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Well, it worked. Noble Six is pretty well-liked.

unique rune Oct 5, 2019, 8:32 PM

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I thought I heard the field guide declared all Spartans to be "hyper-lethal".

gilded mason Oct 5, 2019, 8:32 PM

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I think so.

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It is a very silly term.

feral perch Oct 5, 2019, 8:32 PM

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So this is a case of Halsey’s -nepotism?- and condescending approval.

unique rune Oct 5, 2019, 8:33 PM

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It has a sort of... "OC donut steel" feeling to it.

gilded mason Oct 5, 2019, 8:33 PM

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It has a sort of... "OC donut steel" feeling to it.
Exactly.

feral perch Oct 5, 2019, 8:33 PM

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OC donut steel?

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Oh.

unique rune Oct 5, 2019, 8:34 PM

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Often times said original characters tend to have very... exaggerated characteristics.

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~~Think Sonichu, basically.~~

barren niche Oct 5, 2019, 8:36 PM

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||Oh no||

stable schooner Oct 5, 2019, 8:39 PM

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So I just thought about other then gameplay reasons why can the Heretic leaders holograms hurt you?

gilded mason Oct 5, 2019, 8:39 PM

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is it neural physics

barren niche Oct 5, 2019, 8:39 PM

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there is no way it is neural physics

gilded mason Oct 5, 2019, 8:40 PM

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absolutely neural physics

stable schooner Oct 5, 2019, 8:40 PM

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See that was my first thought but when do Covenant use hard light.

humble yacht Oct 5, 2019, 8:40 PM

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They know

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Neural physics has become a meme

feral perch Oct 5, 2019, 8:40 PM

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Neural physics is iconic

stable schooner Oct 5, 2019, 8:40 PM

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Like do Covenant Actually use hard light

barren niche Oct 5, 2019, 8:40 PM

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Maybe we should ask hiddenxperia.

gilded mason Oct 5, 2019, 8:41 PM

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Maybe Sparky-boy helped him out

barren niche Oct 5, 2019, 8:41 PM

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Flood lore > other lore

stable schooner Oct 5, 2019, 8:41 PM

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True guilty Spark could have given them to him

gilded mason Oct 5, 2019, 8:41 PM

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So there’s a possibility higher-ups got their hands on hardlight tech
Think that's confirmed

carmine sleet Oct 5, 2019, 8:41 PM

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Pretty sure the holodrones used by the Heretic Leader is something that's used within the wider Covenant

feral perch Oct 5, 2019, 8:41 PM

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He did need reinforcements...

barren niche Oct 5, 2019, 8:42 PM

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Its only used in that one "boss" fight though

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If I had access to holograms that shot people I would be using it a lot more

humble yacht Oct 5, 2019, 8:42 PM

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How did Regret tap into Delta Halo’s teleport grid?

stable schooner Oct 5, 2019, 8:42 PM

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Exactly I can’t remember any other Covenant hard light useage so I feel it must be Foreunner tech

gilded mason Oct 5, 2019, 8:43 PM

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Exactly I can’t remember any other Covenant hard light useage so I feel it must be Foreunner tech
At the very least, Prelates used hard light

barren niche Oct 5, 2019, 8:43 PM

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So does the other holograms the Heretic used capable of firing plasma or just the ones during that fight?

stable schooner Oct 5, 2019, 8:45 PM

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Well the one in the beginning of the mission acts the same way. They take physical damage so I don’t know

gilded mason Oct 5, 2019, 8:45 PM

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Maybe Grim on Twitter can be asked for the specifics.

barren niche Oct 5, 2019, 8:46 PM

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Installation 00 can make a 30-45 min youtube video on it

stable schooner Oct 5, 2019, 8:48 PM

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Unrelated but I enjoy the Gas Mine Sentinels being the CE Ones. Really enjoy the different installations having different Sentinels

barren niche Oct 5, 2019, 8:49 PM

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Unrelated to that unrelated thing, do the other Monitors know that 343 was destroyed?

gilded mason Oct 5, 2019, 8:49 PM

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About that...

barren niche Oct 5, 2019, 8:49 PM

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thinkingchief

gilded mason Oct 5, 2019, 8:49 PM

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He ain't ded

barren niche Oct 5, 2019, 8:49 PM

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Well I know that

humble yacht Oct 5, 2019, 8:50 PM

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Spark is alive and aside from occasional communications, the monitors of the different installations don’t stay in contact

barren niche Oct 5, 2019, 8:50 PM

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He is with Rion Forge on the Ace of Spades

stable schooner Oct 5, 2019, 8:50 PM

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Yeah their a bunch of rampant lazy bums

barren niche Oct 5, 2019, 8:51 PM

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It will be the greatest Zoo on that installation

carmine sleet Oct 5, 2019, 8:53 PM

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Exuberant Witness is a pure bundle of joy that just needs some more friends

stable schooner Oct 5, 2019, 8:57 PM

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Don’t let this hide the fact the Foreunners were too cheap to give all their Sentinels Shields

barren niche Oct 5, 2019, 8:58 PM

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Well they were kinda pressed for time with the whole war thing, but yeah that is pretty cheap

humble yacht Oct 5, 2019, 8:59 PM

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But if all sentinels had shields then how would the sentinels with shields express their individuality and show off?

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thinkingchief

stable schooner Oct 5, 2019, 9:00 PM

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By getting that majestic Gold plating

barren niche Oct 5, 2019, 9:00 PM

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Well, I feel like some are builder sentinels that were given a gun

humble yacht Oct 5, 2019, 9:01 PM

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I bet those sentinels bought that good plating instead of earning it

proud quail Oct 5, 2019, 9:01 PM

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does gold have the same value and merit to aliens though

barren niche Oct 5, 2019, 9:02 PM

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Forerunners were super classist so, they needed even their machines have different classes

stable schooner Oct 5, 2019, 9:04 PM

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Still too cheap to give the Goldie’s better shields though

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Not better then the Greys.

barren niche Oct 5, 2019, 9:05 PM

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Hey woah,

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no need to bring hues into this

stable schooner Oct 5, 2019, 9:06 PM

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Lol the lucky Sentinel Aggressors that get Shields have the Exact same shields as the Gold Sentinel Aggressor Eliminators

barren niche Oct 5, 2019, 9:08 PM

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Remember in HW2 when a bunch of sentinels just rammed themselves into a covenant carrier. Instead of, you know, shooting it

gilded mason Oct 5, 2019, 9:08 PM

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That seemed to be a common issue. Not actually shooting.

stable schooner Oct 5, 2019, 9:09 PM

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I blame the Enforcers and Super Sentinels for their Caste System.

barren niche Oct 5, 2019, 9:10 PM

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^^^

last anchor Oct 5, 2019, 9:57 PM

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I mean their beams probably didnt have the force to cut it...

gilded mason Oct 5, 2019, 9:59 PM

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And ramming themselves did?

last anchor Oct 5, 2019, 10:00 PM

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Probably more efficent considering Isabel was making it glass the Ark.

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They wanted it dealt with fast enough that it would stop and ramming into it hard enough to break it in half seems like it would be more effecitve than shooting it with their beam weapons till it melted

gilded mason Oct 5, 2019, 10:01 PM

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Eh, I don't see it. They could continuously use their beams at once, but ramming is a one-time thing.

last anchor Oct 5, 2019, 10:01 PM

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Not as much as you might think, Im pretty sure most of the Sentinels we see falling off it got recycled. They are only hardlight after all

barren niche Oct 5, 2019, 10:22 PM

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I guess it would have taken more time to deploy Aggressor Sentinels and have those ram themselves into it

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Yeah I assume it would work. I don't know I if I'm getting my lore mixed up but the interior of ships would see an increase in temperature due to plasma. So, it would make sense if that all those sentinels had firepower they could just melt a hole into the ship or turn the inside of the ship into a giant oven

versed helm Oct 6, 2019, 1:03 AM

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MJOLNIR's fairly self-reliant

humble yacht Oct 6, 2019, 1:07 AM

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Obviously the reactor has a finite lifespan

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But it’s a lengthy lifespan

versed helm Oct 6, 2019, 1:09 AM

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Military equipment is designed to last for long periods of time. Even more with the sci-fi aspect of Halo. I mean in Halo Wars 2 even after 28 years, their MRE's are still edible.

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...Even though it was frozen.

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It reminded me of when the Chief got the Mark V armor.

humble yacht Oct 6, 2019, 1:21 AM

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Yes it eventually runs out

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Chief’s Mark V reactor was practically drained when he got Mark VI

feral perch Oct 6, 2019, 1:23 AM

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You know how expensive this gear is, son?

stable schooner Oct 6, 2019, 1:23 AM

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Man Donk you want to know Halo to the point of what Nail polish Palmer Uses. Admiral goal but foolish to quote a Sith Lord

humble yacht Oct 6, 2019, 1:29 AM

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Palmer uses Predator Pink

rotund dove Oct 6, 2019, 1:45 AM

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im gonna start reading all of this after i get my homework done

versed helm Oct 6, 2019, 1:56 AM

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what?

fair hazel Oct 6, 2019, 1:56 AM

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mark V reactor pratctically drained? does my memory fail me or..

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@rotund dove Don't post inappropriate things.

rotund dove Oct 6, 2019, 1:56 AM

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Ah, it was funny while it lasted

feral perch Oct 6, 2019, 1:56 AM

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He's referring to the end of The Heretic level in Halo 2.

rotund dove Oct 6, 2019, 1:57 AM

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But now you know how much I enjoy Halo lore

fair hazel Oct 6, 2019, 1:57 AM

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power supply, totally fried?

feral perch Oct 6, 2019, 1:57 AM

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Yep.

fair hazel Oct 6, 2019, 1:57 AM

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that doesn't mean it was drained..

stoic hamlet Oct 6, 2019, 1:57 AM

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there's no way it was drained

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the Mark IV reactor Kurt had in Ghosts, not even the upgraded or more efficient one, could operate for 15 years continuously.

fair hazel Oct 6, 2019, 1:58 AM

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just damage incured

feral perch Oct 6, 2019, 1:59 AM

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the practical effects are similar though

versed helm Oct 6, 2019, 2:02 AM

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Not really that huge

feral perch Oct 6, 2019, 2:03 AM

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neural physics

versed helm Oct 6, 2019, 2:04 AM

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also known as magic

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I'm now sure how it works with Elites and their shields

unique rune Oct 6, 2019, 2:07 AM

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The generators are supposed to be micro fusion generators so uh

yeah
there you go

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tech downsizing is the excuse

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because Mk. I-III all required bulky external generators

humble yacht Oct 6, 2019, 2:17 AM

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I dunno I feel like fried and drained could be the same

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But w/e

barren niche Oct 6, 2019, 2:26 AM

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well, it could just the guy in the armory doesn't know the real difference between drained and fried.

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Cause a fried mother board is not drained of anything.

humble yacht Oct 6, 2019, 2:30 AM

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A motherboard also doesn’t store power

barren niche Oct 6, 2019, 2:31 AM

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True. I think the difference than for the generator is if its fried than its damaged. drained means that it can be refilled

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the motherboard is a bad example admittedly

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Well, no. It just can last a long time. Long enough where it should not become a problem.

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Because the spartan will realistically die before the generator runs out of fuel.

humble yacht Oct 6, 2019, 2:40 AM

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The power core is a nuclear fusion reactor. Eventually those things run out of atoms to bind

barren niche Oct 6, 2019, 2:47 AM

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Idk Donk. I’m a IT major not a nuclear physicist lol

sudden shuttle Oct 6, 2019, 3:13 AM

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send pick of 1?

unique rune Oct 6, 2019, 3:13 AM

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His armor is sealed, so the Flood wouldn't be able to get in unless it cut into it.

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Just biomass doesn't have that ability.

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Er... who else would that be?

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The Arbiter's combat harness and body suit should cover him up enough.

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Neither appeared to have open wounds either, so I don't think they would have been infected very easily.

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Cortana... honestly, I don't really know.

AI chip might have some wireless capabilities?

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Or she's able to use Chief's armor to get into terminals from a distance.

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Yeah, then... I've got no clue.

feral perch Oct 6, 2019, 3:23 AM

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Cortana jumps from one terminal on Gravemind to another in a completely different location on High Charity.

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It's not clear if Chief put her chip in and then took it out of the pedestal at the first door of Gravemind, and repeated the process for each pedestal she appears on, or if she split a fragment of herself into High Charity, or what.

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It seems like she transferred her data chip through a physical network, but that also seems very dangerous.

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I just remembered that Chief has her empty chip with him at the beginning of Halo 3.

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So he must never have actually put it physically into a High Charity pedestal.

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And remember, she goes straight from an AI plinth on Cairo Station into his armor.

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No physical transfer necessary.

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I'm thinking she acquired the "digital jump" ability on Alpha Halo

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But I don't remember if First Strike at all contradicts that.

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or maybe she's always been able to do that.

unique rune Oct 6, 2019, 3:36 AM

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she just do

feral perch Oct 6, 2019, 3:49 AM

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neu-

fair hazel Oct 6, 2019, 4:00 AM

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some equipment may be able to handle short range transmition

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other may not

stable schooner Oct 6, 2019, 4:02 AM

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Cortana ex Machina

remote spruce Oct 6, 2019, 5:35 AM

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Uhhhh
Nuclear power /s

warm ridge Oct 6, 2019, 5:50 AM

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not that far off actually @remote spruce

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The section the Arbiter was in had no power entirely, hence why he couldn't escape and needed a bunch of marines cutting through the walls with plasma torches (or whatever type of torches they actually used) at the end of H3. The Chief was stuck in the section that had all the engines, functional power reactors and more. Hence why Chief's part still had power and could technically open doors and use the elevator even. @versed helm

fair hazel Oct 6, 2019, 6:19 AM

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Mendicant biasssssss

barren niche Oct 6, 2019, 12:55 PM

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Well he is a Forerunner AI who is trying to atone

humble yacht Oct 6, 2019, 1:17 PM

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He was trying

versed helm Oct 6, 2019, 3:25 PM

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you ask seriously obscure questions

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Was a more general statement really, not a compliment or insult.

carmine sleet Oct 6, 2019, 3:33 PM

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I think the more important question to ask is whether Locke has beaten all the Pokemon Gyms or not?

humble yacht Oct 6, 2019, 3:34 PM

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no

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different spartan generations, different divisions in UNSC

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not to mention that 6's specialty was not being known

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many

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you might even say most

carmine sleet Oct 6, 2019, 3:37 PM

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The 300 of Rome?

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The only historical 300 I can think of was the Battle of Thermopylae, which was Ancient Greece

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The part of the ship has the generator. That can still supply power to that part of the ship

feral perch Oct 6, 2019, 3:40 PM

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If you have First Strike, you can find out how many IIs died on Reach.

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IIIs didn’t exist then, and because of the issues reconciling The Fall of Reach/First Strike to Halo: Reach, it’s difficult to say for sure.

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Especially because Bungie and now 343i like to invent Spartans from Alpha and Beta companies out of thin air. I kinda wish they’d stop that lol.

vivid dust Oct 6, 2019, 3:42 PM

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Owen and Hazel are the only III's 343 invented right?

feral perch Oct 6, 2019, 3:43 PM

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There’s like 300 Gammas they could talk about. No, there’s also Kevin-A282

carmine sleet Oct 6, 2019, 3:43 PM

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I basically chalk it up to at least the four members of Noble who died, plus the Spartans seen on Lone Wolf who died as the only S-IIIs known to have died on Reach

vivid dust Oct 6, 2019, 3:43 PM

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who dat

feral perch Oct 6, 2019, 3:43 PM

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And the Headhunters were a 343i creation right?

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Kevin-A282 is from a short story in Halo: Fractures. It’s hinted that he actually escaped the fall of Reach, like Buck and Jun.

dreamy plaza Oct 6, 2019, 4:04 PM

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What kind of Medicine is in Halo again? If I remember correctly in the UNSC, there's Biofoam from ODST, and I think I heard that there's a cure for Cancer for the public

stoic hamlet Oct 6, 2019, 4:20 PM

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Headhunters weren’t 343 I don’t think

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Well, I guess technically they were

fair hazel Oct 6, 2019, 4:21 PM

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They appeared in evolutions

stoic hamlet Oct 6, 2019, 4:21 PM

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Yeah

fair hazel Oct 6, 2019, 4:21 PM

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Bio foam isn’t from@odst

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There’s medigel

stoic hamlet Oct 6, 2019, 4:21 PM

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When did that release?

fair hazel Oct 6, 2019, 4:22 PM

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2009 /2010

stoic hamlet Oct 6, 2019, 4:22 PM

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It came out before Reach right?

fair hazel Oct 6, 2019, 4:23 PM

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Yes

versed helm Oct 6, 2019, 4:23 PM

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BioFoam made an appearance in ODST

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but wasn't used by the player

fair hazel Oct 6, 2019, 4:23 PM

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It did not originate in odst

versed helm Oct 6, 2019, 4:23 PM

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no, it didn't

stoic hamlet Oct 6, 2019, 4:23 PM

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But it’s been a thing in the lore way longer

fair hazel Oct 6, 2019, 4:23 PM

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Medigel originated in odst

stoic hamlet Oct 6, 2019, 4:24 PM

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Fall of Reach I think was the originator.

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Or The Flood.

fair hazel Oct 6, 2019, 4:24 PM

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Fall of reach

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There’s a lot of spartan III characters

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Most Spartans dying would be two battles. Alpha and betas were wiped

dreamy plaza Oct 6, 2019, 4:30 PM

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No no, I remember that Dutch needed to use Biofoam during the fact that he had a crushed sniper rifle jammed into his chest

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And I sorta remember that somewhere that they cured cancer

versed helm Oct 6, 2019, 4:31 PM

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that was romeo, and that was a puncture wound from a gravity hammer

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but again, the player never used BioFoam, and it didn't originate in the game

dreamy plaza Oct 6, 2019, 4:32 PM

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Ah my bad, but didn't he also tried to fire his sniper, but it got crushed IN him by the gravity hammer as well..
But alright then, was there any other medicine? I heard Medigel

stoic hamlet Oct 6, 2019, 4:32 PM

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Chemical cocktails and stuff, in Halo Evolutions, but I don’t think they were named.

versed helm Oct 6, 2019, 4:32 PM

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MediGel were the Optican health packs you pick up as the player

fair hazel Oct 6, 2019, 4:35 PM

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Optican is the company

versed helm Oct 6, 2019, 4:36 PM

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yep.

fair hazel Oct 6, 2019, 4:36 PM

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Rumbledrugs. But they’re a booster

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Cancer. Midnight in the heart of Midlothian

dreamy plaza Oct 6, 2019, 4:37 PM

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Huh, so a bunch of random drugs?

versed helm Oct 6, 2019, 4:38 PM

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not "random", just not really known

fair hazel Oct 6, 2019, 4:40 PM

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They’re used by innies to fight Spartans

dreamy plaza Oct 6, 2019, 4:41 PM

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Huh, that's cool! Do we know any of Covenant or any Forerunner medicine?

feral perch Oct 6, 2019, 4:41 PM

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amputation for Covenant lol

fair hazel Oct 6, 2019, 4:41 PM

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Covenant have tools they use.

dreamy plaza Oct 6, 2019, 4:44 PM

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Pffft lol

fair hazel Oct 6, 2019, 4:48 PM

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I’m trying to remember where

gilded mason Oct 6, 2019, 4:50 PM

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Hunters in the Dark makes mention of medical stuff used on Vale, but I don't remember anything more in-depth off the top of my head.

fair hazel Oct 6, 2019, 4:50 PM

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They have tools

gilded mason Oct 6, 2019, 4:50 PM

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I know.

fair hazel Oct 6, 2019, 4:50 PM

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Also coagulants and medical kits

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The tools fixed leg I think

dreamy plaza Oct 6, 2019, 4:59 PM

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Wait a sec, Vale had Covenant medicine on her??-

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I don't read the books due to me being hella broke

gilded mason Oct 6, 2019, 5:00 PM

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She was on N'tho's ship and she got hurt, I believe, so he had her patched up with some in-house medical stuff.

dreamy plaza Oct 6, 2019, 5:13 PM

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That's awesome tho

fair hazel Oct 6, 2019, 5:19 PM

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Spoilers in #485883236430512168

stable schooner Oct 6, 2019, 5:48 PM

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So how are Human-Unggoy Relations?

gilded mason Oct 6, 2019, 5:48 PM

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Not terrible

stable schooner Oct 6, 2019, 5:48 PM

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I mean what do the Grunts do as a living now that their not mass indentured servants.

humble yacht Oct 6, 2019, 5:49 PM

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Serve the Created

gilded mason Oct 6, 2019, 5:49 PM

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I imagine for the most part, many just continue what they were previously doing.

stable schooner Oct 6, 2019, 5:49 PM

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Are they equals in the Created?

gilded mason Oct 6, 2019, 5:49 PM

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Though perhaps with better conditions, like if who they were previously working with are now part of the SoS or something.

humble yacht Oct 6, 2019, 5:50 PM

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I doubt they are equals

stable schooner Oct 6, 2019, 5:50 PM

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Shame

humble yacht Oct 6, 2019, 5:50 PM

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The created assumed the position the forerunners once held

gilded mason Oct 6, 2019, 5:50 PM

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Perhaps a surface-level appearance of equals.

humble yacht Oct 6, 2019, 5:50 PM

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The forerunners held themselves above all else

feral perch Oct 6, 2019, 5:51 PM

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I’m curious about Cortana’s intentions for humanity. She says she wants to offer people the chance to be more than they are naturally.

gilded mason Oct 6, 2019, 5:51 PM

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Nothing good, really

feral perch Oct 6, 2019, 5:51 PM

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Does she want to mutate people in the way Forerunners did to themselves?

humble yacht Oct 6, 2019, 5:51 PM

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Doubt it

feral perch Oct 6, 2019, 5:52 PM

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Or try to create a method of Composing that doesn’t corrupt the personality?

humble yacht Oct 6, 2019, 5:52 PM

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Maybe provide the kind of advancements the created offer to grunts for their servitude

feral perch Oct 6, 2019, 5:52 PM

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Hm.

humble yacht Oct 6, 2019, 5:53 PM

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Maybe allow humanity to evolve without their affinity for war killing them off

stable schooner Oct 6, 2019, 5:53 PM

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Unggoy get to Rule over the Sangheili imagine that lol

carmine sleet Oct 6, 2019, 6:00 PM

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I get the feeling we might see something along the lines of what happened to Bobby Kodiak in Hunters in the Dark, at least to a few "chosen" individuals within the Created who for whatever reason, Cortana decides to "fix"

last anchor Oct 6, 2019, 6:01 PM

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Eugh

feral perch Oct 6, 2019, 6:01 PM

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so a Kat arm?

last anchor Oct 6, 2019, 6:02 PM

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Nah, like full Forerunner cyborg hybrid

feral perch Oct 6, 2019, 6:02 PM

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Hearkening back to Bungie's original ideas for Master Chief

humble yacht Oct 6, 2019, 6:03 PM

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I doubt that’s her plan

carmine sleet Oct 6, 2019, 6:03 PM

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I did say to only a few individuals

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I doubt she'll begin doing it to everyone, way too many people to do that to

humble yacht Oct 6, 2019, 6:04 PM

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I don’t see the point in doing it to anyone

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The goal isn’t to make humans more like her. It’s just to rule them

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Maybe if some high value human is blown up and she wants to keep them around for info

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But then a composer would work better

carmine sleet Oct 6, 2019, 6:06 PM

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Would she even have access to a Composer?

humble yacht Oct 6, 2019, 6:07 PM

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She suggested as such as a punishment

carmine sleet Oct 6, 2019, 6:07 PM

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I see

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Unlocked his immunity to the composer

humble yacht Oct 6, 2019, 6:09 PM

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We don’t know the extent of what she did

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The only things confirmed were composer immunity and the ability to hear Forerunner telepathy

fair hazel Oct 6, 2019, 7:25 PM

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What if John can access domain I a. Way

clever fable Oct 6, 2019, 9:39 PM

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He should really consider updating the Domain's antivirus

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Warden must have been a 30 day free trial all things considered.

clever fable Oct 6, 2019, 10:06 PM

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thinkingchief

barren niche Oct 6, 2019, 11:15 PM

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The Warden Eternal is like a Warden.

sonic ridge Oct 7, 2019, 1:31 AM

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How old is the covenant

sudden shuttle Oct 7, 2019, 1:31 AM

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Like

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maybe 300+ years

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unless i'm wrong

sonic ridge Oct 7, 2019, 1:31 AM

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Who joined first

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I’m assuming the prophets originally started it

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And then made the others join

sudden shuttle Oct 7, 2019, 1:32 AM

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Elites I believe

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Prophets started it

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I think and Elites joined first.

sonic ridge Oct 7, 2019, 1:32 AM

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Alright

gilded mason Oct 7, 2019, 1:33 AM

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Prophets and Elites started it at the same time thousands of years ago.

sonic ridge Oct 7, 2019, 1:33 AM

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Here’s our eliteboi

gilded mason Oct 7, 2019, 1:33 AM

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lol

sonic ridge Oct 7, 2019, 1:33 AM

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Alright

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That’s a while

gilded mason Oct 7, 2019, 1:33 AM

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Ye

sonic ridge Oct 7, 2019, 1:33 AM

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Did the elites willingly join it

sudden shuttle Oct 7, 2019, 1:33 AM

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Didn't they start it after the Prophets beat the Elites

gilded mason Oct 7, 2019, 1:33 AM

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Did the elites willingly join it
Yeah

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San'Shyuum and Sangheili combatants realized their war was getting nowhere. So they figured they might as well try to broker peace again

sonic ridge Oct 7, 2019, 1:35 AM

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When did the brutes join

gilded mason Oct 7, 2019, 1:35 AM

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Fairly late.

sonic ridge Oct 7, 2019, 1:36 AM

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Like before or during the covenant human war

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Since they’re not even in halo ce afaik

sudden shuttle Oct 7, 2019, 1:36 AM

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They are in Reach

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that's before CE

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and officially appear in H2

gilded mason Oct 7, 2019, 1:36 AM

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2492 was when they joined

sudden shuttle Oct 7, 2019, 1:36 AM

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so before.

sonic ridge Oct 7, 2019, 1:36 AM

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I know they’re in h2 but forgot they’re in reach

gilded mason Oct 7, 2019, 1:37 AM

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And apparently they were in the Alpha Halo battle, John just never encountered them, I think

sonic ridge Oct 7, 2019, 1:37 AM

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Coulda been

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Leaving all of the actual stuff that needs to be done to the elites since they were like supposed to be better

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I mean they are

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But the ring gets destroyed

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Reminds me

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How does Johnson get off the ring

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Or is that just a meme

gilded mason Oct 7, 2019, 1:39 AM

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First Strike

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He and others used a pelican

sudden shuttle Oct 7, 2019, 1:39 AM

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He escaped the flood in the Forerunner facility

sonic ridge Oct 7, 2019, 1:40 AM

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He’s also like immune o the flood

gilded mason Oct 7, 2019, 1:40 AM

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No

sudden shuttle Oct 7, 2019, 1:40 AM

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Not really.

gilded mason Oct 7, 2019, 1:40 AM

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That was retconned

sonic ridge Oct 7, 2019, 1:40 AM

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Wot

sudden shuttle Oct 7, 2019, 1:41 AM

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His Spartan I abilities helped him but he is able to be infected.

gilded mason Oct 7, 2019, 1:41 AM

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Staten thought it cheapened the Flood

sonic ridge Oct 7, 2019, 1:41 AM

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What having like one in every several billion be immune

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They can still kill him with weapons

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Well they couldn’t

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But I mean others

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Who is staten

gilded mason Oct 7, 2019, 1:43 AM

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Joe Staten, the Halo writer

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He wrote CE and Halo 2.

sonic ridge Oct 7, 2019, 1:44 AM

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I guess that’s why I like 3 the most 👏

gilded mason Oct 7, 2019, 1:44 AM

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hmmmmmmmmmmmm

sudden shuttle Oct 7, 2019, 1:44 AM

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After Johnson escaped in a Pelican, Chief found them and held Johnson at gunpoint

feral perch Oct 7, 2019, 1:44 AM

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Johnson had some kind of Flood resistance.

remote spruce Oct 7, 2019, 1:49 AM

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Joe carried the story

gilded mason Oct 7, 2019, 1:49 AM

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Indeed

barren niche Oct 7, 2019, 1:49 AM

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I though that was retconned

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the johnson resistance

last anchor Oct 7, 2019, 1:50 AM

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Author retconned, no word from 343 I dont think

stable schooner Oct 7, 2019, 1:50 AM

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Staten made the story, he could have made Heretic Hunters work

last anchor Oct 7, 2019, 1:50 AM

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What Denning himself thinks isnt what 343 does

remote spruce Oct 7, 2019, 1:51 AM

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I assume the gameplay team couldn't make the Hunters work

stable schooner Oct 7, 2019, 1:51 AM

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Of course an all hunter mission wouldn’t be fun lol

sonic ridge Oct 7, 2019, 1:51 AM

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What

remote spruce Oct 7, 2019, 1:52 AM

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Originally, Halo 2's Heretic faction was only going to have Hunters

stable schooner Oct 7, 2019, 2:46 AM

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How things changed. Sacred Icon first Arbiter Mission, Miranda Betraying Chief And ODSTs pushing him down a hole to the Gravemind with a bomb strapped to him.

sudden shuttle Oct 7, 2019, 2:51 AM

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I thought it was suppose to be a Covenant ship

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not the Gravemind

stable schooner Oct 7, 2019, 2:52 AM

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Different cut mission Monk

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Their was a lot of cut story ideas and decisions that were changed and cut during Halo 2.

humble yacht Oct 7, 2019, 2:57 AM

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Thankfully

deft sentinel Oct 7, 2019, 2:58 AM

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Hey is there any way we can cure the flood or at least stop them from spreading?

sudden shuttle Oct 7, 2019, 2:58 AM

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Glassing

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Fire

deft sentinel Oct 7, 2019, 2:58 AM

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Sorry for talking about the flood only I just like them so much

sudden shuttle Oct 7, 2019, 2:58 AM

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The shield that covered High Charity

deft sentinel Oct 7, 2019, 2:59 AM

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No cure to you know, bring back the ones that got infected?

sudden shuttle Oct 7, 2019, 2:59 AM

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unknown

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currently, no.

deft sentinel Oct 7, 2019, 2:59 AM

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I think a cure one day could be possible

humble yacht Oct 7, 2019, 2:59 AM

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If there were a cure, would make them a lot less threatening

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Also it’s not a virus

deft sentinel Oct 7, 2019, 3:00 AM

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Oh

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Then what is it technically?

humble yacht Oct 7, 2019, 3:00 AM

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More like a parasite

deft sentinel Oct 7, 2019, 3:00 AM

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Ahh

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Alright

stable schooner Oct 7, 2019, 3:05 AM

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Arbiter and Chief racing to get the Icon on Foreunner Tanks sounded cool though.

remote spruce Oct 7, 2019, 3:06 AM

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with only a SMG? :p

stable schooner Oct 7, 2019, 3:06 AM

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8/10 bet would have been waves of Shotgun flood still

remote spruce Oct 7, 2019, 3:07 AM

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i rather have only SMGs in that case

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Halo 2's shotgun flood are a big oh no

stable schooner Oct 7, 2019, 3:15 AM

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Oh no more like Shielded Elite Shotgun Flood= my Arbiter Sanity Gone And all my Spec Op Elites dead lol

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Only in this case based on the cut story my ODSTs dead and my Master Chief Sanity gone

sudden shuttle Oct 7, 2019, 3:32 AM

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interesting question

unique rune Oct 7, 2019, 3:33 AM

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I would assume the latter

humble yacht Oct 7, 2019, 3:36 AM

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White blood cells attack foreign bodies with antibodies but I doubt a FSC would allow an antibody to attach to it

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FSC would tear your white blood cells a new one

fallow quest Oct 7, 2019, 4:14 AM

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Also probably smart enough to even take on nanobots.

last anchor Oct 7, 2019, 4:36 AM

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More than likely, yeah.

humble yacht Oct 7, 2019, 5:22 AM

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That’d be harder to swing. Nanobots aren’t made of organic material, so a flood cell would have to destroy it rather than convert it

fallow quest Oct 7, 2019, 5:34 AM

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Yep, they're called a super cell for a reason. Especially ones under the control of a Gravemind.

versed helm Oct 7, 2019, 8:59 AM

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i i'm the instrument of our beggining

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decides to kill everyone

sonic ridge Oct 7, 2019, 11:43 AM

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Lordi is a good band

versed helm Oct 7, 2019, 12:48 PM

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Mjolnir has Nanotech on it, yea? that's how Cortana was able to change Chiefs armor in Halo 4

main rivet Oct 7, 2019, 12:52 PM

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Less you think about that, the better 😛

humble yacht Oct 7, 2019, 12:52 PM

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MJOLNIR Mark VII was the first to have on board nanobots

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The nanobots that Cortana used to modify chief’s Mark VI came from outside

idle ether Oct 7, 2019, 12:55 PM

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Oh wow so thats how she did it?

sonic ridge Oct 7, 2019, 1:43 PM

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Is there a lore reason why jackals and grunts don’t get turned into flood

unique rune Oct 7, 2019, 1:45 PM

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Not enough calcium mass to normally be turned into their own combat forms.

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But they’re still useful as biomass for converting/cobbling together into other forms.

sonic ridge Oct 7, 2019, 1:47 PM

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Okay

stable schooner Oct 7, 2019, 2:02 PM

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Their is Grunt and Jackal Combat Forms in Halo Wars 1 Though

carmine sleet Oct 7, 2019, 2:27 PM

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That wouldn't explain why the Flood in CE would gather their bodies to use as biomass for a Proto-Gravemind instead of using them for combat forms since they were in the feral stage on 04

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It's more than likely a simple error made during the creation of Halo Wars that we got to see combat forms of Grunts and Jackals

obsidian thistle Oct 7, 2019, 2:28 PM

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Zero lore actually said the Flood "couldnt" infect Grunts and Jackels.

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And who knows. Operation: Off-Screen happens a lot

carmine sleet Oct 7, 2019, 2:29 PM

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True

fair hazel Oct 7, 2019, 3:43 PM

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Hang on

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Mark VII having nanobots first is not actually said

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So saying that isn’t quite right