Only Halsey would be enough of a sadistic monster to use that as an example in the early 2500s
#lore-and-universe
versed helm
versed helm
Remember, S-II wasn't to save humanity, it was just to kill the Insurrection
INNIES OUT, INNIES OUT, LET THEM HAVE THEIR PLANETS
versed helm
Yeah, nuclear bombs work too, that doesn't mean we should be getting in the habit of using them :V
sudden shuttle
or california?
feral perch
It was to save humanity. Pidge, the Innies set off a nuke that killed a lot of people
versed helm
Was that before or -after- John and the others were kidnapped
versed helm
I mean, if Alabama or California were forming massive organized resistances to the nation and starting constant brushfire wars, and it also took 6 months of dangerous, expensive travel to reach either of them, then yeah, I'd say let 'em go
sudden shuttle
what.
versed helm
You were trying to use Alabama and California as an example in an interplanetary conflict spanning light-years
vague scroll
Sparta still fell... doesn't seem like that Spartan program worked out so well
sudden shuttle
uh slipspace?
versed helm
Slipspace still ain't instant and some of the Outer Planets were way out there
feral perch
The Innies were willing to give the location of Earth to the Covenant in the early war.
sudden shuttle
it's faster than 6 months
versed helm
OK, sue me, 4 weeks, whatever
feral perch
They’re pretty terrible people
sudden shuttle
not even 4 weeks
gilded mason
The Innies were willing to give the location of Earth to the Covenant on the early war.
Some did
A bit silly to paint 'em all with the same brush
feral perch
It was a major council
versed helm
Slipstream Space: "Some "short" jumps routinely take up to two months, and "long" jumps can last six months or more for the crew."
:T
feral perch
I did say early war. They changed their tune later, for the most part. And I do give credit to the ones in Collateral Damage
versed helm
There is still the matter of using conventional drives to reach slipspace entry points as well
gilded mason
And yeah, if colonial tension is starting to get so bad that a massive civil war is brewing, maybe they should've taken a look at more policies to ease the tension instead of going to Spartans.
sudden shuttle
you are forgetting that people in the world want power and don't want to lose it
versed helm
Just saying, the Innies probably weren't an imminent threat to all humanity
gilded mason
'Cause that's not gonna take care of the underlying issues that colonists might have
sudden shuttle
nukes
feral perch
Probably, but then we would have lost the Covenant War.
sudden shuttle
and stuff
versed helm
Monk, I've read about the Insurrection conflict and the UNSC was slinging nukes around too
gilded mason
Like Far Isle, I think?
sudden shuttle
nuclear war isn't dangerous?
vague scroll
I'm dangerous.
versed helm
Creating a super soldier program that takes a decade to get off the ground and involves using super-suits that cost as much as a spaceborne destroyer PROBABLY wasn't the smartest tactical or strategic move that the UNSC could've made and it's sheer -luck- that the Covenant showed up and justified Halsey's investment
feral perch
I think it’s best not to think too hard about fictional war crimes. It sucks the fun out of the adventures that come after.
versed helm
"oh no they are nuking us!"
OK, send a giant fleet to use MAC and Shiva on them until they capitulate, if you're willing to go into war crime territory that's much cheaper than kidnapping hundreds of hand-picked children from dozens of planets and then training, feeding and augmenting them for a decade before you either get a soldier or an augmented corpse as a result
Project SPARTAN-II makes the F-35 program look like a bargain, there I said it
sudden shuttle
i question what you say sometimes
feral perch
Halsey apparently believed that Spartans were humanity’s inevitable advancement, although it’s unclear if she believed that as early as 2517
versed helm
Remember how Halsey used endangered and protected primates as test subjects for S-II augmentations and got a sternly worded letter from ONI for it?
PepPidge Farms Remembers.
sudden shuttle
it's not like oni does dark experiments too
feral perch
Spartans are more effective than ships in quelling an Insurrection
sudden shuttle
not to mention how 4 spartans destroyed an entire sangheili planet
gilded mason
Maybe they should've gone a route other than violence.
feral perch
Well yeah, except against the ones that set off a nuke and killed a lot of people
gilded mason
not to mention how 4 spartans destroyed an entire sangheili planet
You mean three? And nothing about what they did was something that only Spartans could do.
It was NOVA hax
sudden shuttle
imagine sneaking onto a enemy planet
versed helm
They did that, a lot
sudden shuttle
because i did not know that
versed helm
Remember the horrible raid where 298 S-IIIs died painfully when invading the Covenant 7-Eleven?
All of them dropped in modified ODST pods
versed helm
Yes, because they did a stupid thing and paid for it
versed helm
But if you're going to gin up soldiers just to send them on suicide missions, isn't that what Helljumpers are proud of doing
sudden shuttle
send helljumpers instead of spartans
versed helm
If you're willing to squander huge amounts of resources, just send 4x the Helljumpers and give every squad nuclear failsafe buttons that explode when the whole squad dies
Like, we're already in the territory of "really bad idea that shouldn't be done" so the sky's the limit
sudden shuttle
the fueling station was literally right on the line where the unsc was being pushed back from
and they tried nuking it
didn't work
feral perch
It would have hastened the end of the war if they hadn’t taken it out.
versed helm
Yes, I know all the justifications, but the point remains that Ackerson sent S-IIIs on a bunch of suicide missions where they may have had the same impact as non-augmented special forces in SPI armor
But that entire specific operation was a dumpster fire of 12-year-old soldiers dying dumb
sudden shuttle
because they thought that they would overwhelm the fueling station
feral perch
I don’t believe ODSTs would have survived long enough to destroy it.
sudden shuttle
but there turned out to be a lot more covenant then they expected
nor would they even survive long
versed helm
My final counterpoint to this: Nova bombs existed in the setting at that point
If you can get Spartans planetside, why not drop them on the opposite side of the planet, set up a Nova bomb, then exfiltrate in a hurry and blow it up
sudden shuttle
probably because it was right on the unsc line?
vague scroll
nukes give off absurd amounts of Cherenkov radiation
sudden shuttle
and would have destroyed a bunch of ships killed many people?
vague scroll
they can easily be detected, the NOVA would suffer the same fate as other nuke types
versed helm
Uh??? Wasn't that planet 100% Covenant owned and just barely within UNSC's reach?
sudden shuttle
it still had a ton of covenant on it
versed helm
Who would've been hit in the collateral damage from that? The huge Covenant fleet that rocked up to glass their own planet when S-IIIs appeared?
sudden shuttle
not to mention every single nuke was destroyed before it even reached it
versed helm
It was a Covenant gas station, there were no UNSC fighting forces in the planet, I am specifically saying
sudden shuttle
wouldn't a planet exploding cause massive damage?
versed helm
"Instead of a direct assault on the facility, just get a bunch of S-3s to set up a time bomb in the woods"
vague scroll
the reason why a NOVA mostly likely wasn't deployed was because every other nuke they tried failed and NOVAs are expensive and still highly experimental pieces of hardware in 2552
versed helm
To whom, Monk? It was a Covenant system
sudden shuttle
like i said before
it was right next to the unsc line
it would have harmed unsc ships and killed many unsc troops
versed helm
What the -frick- does that mean in space? Do you think the battle lines are like... miles apart?
vague scroll
I don't think you understand the pretense of a star system @sudden shuttle
versed helm
It was a -Covenant star system- it was like many AU across
vague scroll
just because its on or near the frontlines, that's still light years away from the actual UNSC front line
versed helm
There are no "lines" in space to begin with, you can approach any target from infinite directions
vague scroll
^ this too
versed helm
Defense in space is a fallacy and the only reason there was a 'front' at all in the Human-Covenant war was because the Cole protocol meant that the Covenant couldn't get our maps
versed helm
So they just kinda probed around trying to find planets until they used a little spy drone to find the location of Reach
When the Covenant showed up at Earth, they didn't even know it was our homeworld
They just knew there was Forerunner stuff there and it was important to them for that
vague scroll
Pidge is on the money here down to the letter
sudden shuttle
there was suppose to be a bigger fleet to attack earth
but the master chief and some other spartans destroyed it
versed helm
The Unyielding Hierophant fleet was destroyed, yes, but that doesn't mean the members of that strike fleet understood what they were heading towards
vague scroll
Regret's fleet was compartmentalized and didn't have the intelligence that the Unyielding Hierophant did
Truth knew about Earth's true nature, Regret did not
versed helm
Remember the line in Halo 2? [paraphrased] "They seem... surprised. Like they didn't expect to see us here."
sudden shuttle
the unyielding hierophant fleet was truth's fleet, correct me if i'm wrong
gilded mason
Uneven, yeah
versed helm
I just checked it out and it seems that ONI didn't even realize that place was a space gas station
sudden shuttle
they did though?
versed helm
Nope.
"The fireteam's mission was to slip onto a Covenant-held moon (believed to be a dig-site for a hidden artifact), and remove six of the ten identified base camps situated around the outer perimeter of a much larger central compound. A second team of Headhunters would remove the remaining bases. The confusion and reshuffling of troops and supplies by the Covenant contingent following each base camp's dismantling proved to be the opening salvo in a full-scale assault by a dozen SPARTAN III fireteams with orbital backup"
versed helm
They thought it was important because of the high traffic in the area, but they didn't know it was logistics
Now, this actually justifies not blowing the whole place up. They thought they would get whatever the Covenant were trying to dig up, like John did at Cote d'Azur with that weird slipspace crystal
I think if they did know it was just a gas station, they probably would've tried to crack the moon instead of cleaning it out
I retract my previous argument that it was dumb to send the Spartans there
sudden shuttle
huh.
stoic hamlet
You’re confusing two operations @versed helm
Actually maybe three
Actually no wait, It appears I misread
The entire moon was a trap though
There was nothing there
No artifact, no technology
It was a trap for Spartan III’s
sonic ridge
At what point in 3 did chief and Thel become friendos
gilded mason
I guess gradually. But to be honest, Chief only ever said one word to Thel in Halo 3, so who knows how he actually feels.
sonic ridge
Actions are louder than words
stoic hamlet
I don’t think he considers him a friend tbh
Also yeah, wow
He did only say one word
sonic ridge
Well Frodo and Legolas only spoke like once in three movies/books
gilded mason
Halo 3 kinda dropped the ball in the writing department. ||IMO||
stoic hamlet
“To war”
stoic hamlet
Most people I think consider H3 to have terrible writing
gilded mason
Yeah, it's weird, but what can ya do?
stoic hamlet
Nope, filter catches it
sonic ridge
F
sonic ridge
What happened between 2 and 3 for arby to just be chums with the unsc
stoic hamlet
He isn’t chums with them
sonic ridge
And who got all the electric mucus paint for their ships
gilded mason
He realized the reality of the situation and was pragmatic enough to look past previous things
stoic hamlet
They’re fighting together out of desperation
stoic hamlet
The Elites don’t care about humanity
gilded mason
They wanted the Guardian
sonic ridge
The sangheilis and humans coulda formed some kinda relationship after 3
Or at least tried it
Idk if they did
gilded mason
They do
stoic hamlet
They just fought a 27 year long war in which the Elites killed billions with no real remorse
They’re allies
But not friends
gilded mason
SoS and the UNSC do missions together, and there are places where they live alongside one another.
stoic hamlet
Yep
sonic ridge
Halo 3 was basically like the last 2-3 missions of modern warfare 2 lmao
The enemy of my enemy is my friend
stoic hamlet
But they leave each other more or less alone
sonic ridge
Some live together
gilded mason
Really hoping after this whole Created thing, they get a bit more integrated.
sonic ridge
If they work together sometimes I’d like to see playable elites at least in some areas in halo infinite
gilded mason
Man, if there aren't playable Elites in Infinite...
sonic ridge
If there aren’t I’m gonna get it pre owned at cex tbh
stoic hamlet
The created seems like 343’s way of “Mass Effecting” the universe, in the sense of forcing factions that really shouldn’t be close this soon to be close.
Which is fine
stable schooner
Breh Ostral id rather have no elites then your Halo Wars 1 Elites in Halo 4 Armor Playable
stoic hamlet
But I would have preferred a slower burn
gilded mason
Breh Ostral id rather have no elites then your Halo Wars 1 Elites in Halo 4 Armor Playable
Any elite is better than no elite, my dude. 😋
sonic ridge
I saw a cool idea on the forum
About customising your Spartans look under the armour and your sangheilis look too
gilded mason
Ain't that how it already goes?
stoic hamlet
I Don’t like that idea personally. Customizing under the suit
sonic ridge
Is that a thing they said is in infinite?
gilded mason
Oh, under the armor?
sonic ridge
Yea
stoic hamlet
Unless we can make our characters S M O L
gilded mason
Unless we can make our characters S M O L
Finally Orta can be truly created.
sonic ridge
Is there a lore reason for why 4 player halo 3 coop campaign has 2 other random elites
gilded mason
Yes.
stoic hamlet
They’re not random
sonic ridge
I saw videos from years ago with just other Spartans
gilded mason
The other two elites are N'tho and Usze.
stoic hamlet
They were canonically there anytime the Arbiter was whenever you played solo
gilded mason
You can find out more about 'em in Hunters in the Dark. And they have Bungie bios.
sonic ridge
OwO
gilded mason
Here's the Halo 3 profiles on those two
sonic ridge
It’s taking a quick minute to load
Gonna sound weird but do sangheilis have things like homosexuality
gilded mason
Don't see why not.
sonic ridge
Fair enough
stoic hamlet
Several artists would say yes 😉
gilded mason
😉
sonic ridge
Well yes
stable schooner
I hate how N’tho is just an Elite Minor where as Usze gets his own Special Red Spec Ops Armor
sonic ridge
I’ve seen plenty of that
gilded mason
I hate how N’tho is just an Elite Minor
Maybe he likes the color. A man after my own heart, really.
stable schooner
He sure doesn’t like it when I can’t tell him apart from the other 5 Elite Minors
sonic ridge
Also tbh the standard elite armour is my favourite so I think it’s good to have one with that armour
I’d say it’s almost as iconic as chiefs armour
gilded mason
Good taste. 👌 👌
sonic ridge
I like that you see the mandibles
stable schooner
The combat harness is iconic but I wouldn’t say the Elite Minor Color
sonic ridge
Just the armour
gilded mason
N'tho?
sonic ridge
Shoulda been the shipmaster
gilded mason
Nah, Rtas was kinda busy
stable schooner
Actually should have been a Stealth Major. True Ultra would confuse him with Spec Ops Commander
sonic ridge
Bruh
gilded mason
Yeah, the filter system is really sensitive
stable schooner
Rules Frikerf no point arguing against it we can’t do anything about it. Forum is Pg
sonic ridge
Halo reach has a derogatory in a mission description
stable schooner
Ok Ostral then normal Stealth Minor.
woeful dune
So what are the various rooms a Covenant carrier has? Like hangar and such
gilded mason
A buncha stuff
woeful dune
How helpful 😑
sonic ridge
Idk tbh
It seems like mostly corridors
You got your prisoner deck
Hangar bay
Several of them
Captains quarters
stable schooner
Also depends on the ship Type
sonic ridge
I wonder how many sleeping quarters they have
gilded mason
There's also the Blademaster's Yard (Elite version of Wargames)
sonic ridge
What do sangheili beds look like
woeful dune
SVD Class carrier
sonic ridge
Do they even have beds
gilded mason
At least some ships do not have beds.
gilded mason
They use combat drugs to stay at peak combat efficiency for the whole trip in those cases.
stable schooner
Would not be surprised if they slept on those Japanese Matts
gilded mason
not japanese
sonic ridge
Japanese mats?
stable schooner
Futons, couldn’t remember it
sonic ridge
Idk what that is
gilded mason
A bed.
humble yacht
Tatami
sonic ridge
Okay
woeful dune
So hangar
Prison Chamber
The bridge
Various cooridors
Armory
What is the place where they steer the ship called
gilded mason
And that Blademaster's Yard thing
sonic ridge
The deck
gilded mason
Bridge?
sonic ridge
The bridge
stable schooner
That Corvette in Reach had rooms to control the Guns to
woeful dune
Lol
gilded mason
Some are.
sonic ridge
Cause they’re oh so honourabru
gilded mason
There are a lot of members, I imagine many have varying degrees of honor. Like Ayit 'Sevi.
sonic ridge
It’s just how they are
stable schooner
I mean isn’t Honor a common trend among cultures. Why isn’t the Japanese influences on the Brutes ever talked about
humble yacht
Because it’s been associated with elites already and there is separation between their cultures
stable schooner
That doesn’t mean you can deny the Samurai influenced Armor in 3 or the Samurai Flags the Halo 2 Brute Captains got going on
Need more material on Brutes and this is coming from an Elite Fanboy
sonic ridge
I don’t really care much about brutes tbh
gilded mason
Yeah, they never really gripped me.
sonic ridge
I never played 2 till like 5 years ago so for ages I was wondering why we went from ce fighting elites to suddenly being bum chums with em on 3
gilded mason
lol
sonic ridge
Like I was confused when I played 3 at first cause I was like 8
And I was probably 4 when I played ce
They looked similar but too different and my peanut brain couldn’t figure out what had happened
stable schooner
I understood ODST took place during 2 but thought Dare was a Spartan cause of dang Recon
sonic ridge
I thought it was at the same time as 3 cause halo 3 ODST
sudden shuttle
no.
sonic ridge
Also why is buck a spartan and what happened to everyone else and the engineer
sudden shuttle
it's specialized odst armor
sonic ridge
Wot
gilded mason
Also why is buck a spartan and what happened to everyone else and the engineer
That is detailed in the book New Blood
feral perch
Lol no
sudden shuttle
vergil is still alive
feral perch
They didn’t all die
sonic ridge
I don’t remember which one Vergil is
sudden shuttle
mikey is an insurrectionist, but changed i believe in a book
gilded mason
I don’t remember which one Vergil is
The huragok
sonic ridge
How did rookie die
sudden shuttle
vergil is in the engie
gilded mason
A rebel killed him
gilded mason
No
feral perch
I actually want more lore and info on Brutes. I’d like to visit Doisac
sonic ridge
Is buck like Chris redfield lmao
Everyone under him dying lmao
Both were in things with 4 letter abbreviations
gilded mason
I’d like to visit Doisac
I'd like to visit it to repeat their history. 🙃
sonic ridge
Well one doesn’t have a jazz soundtrack walking around a city at night
stable schooner
Ostrals Elite Suprematism Confirmed
gilded mason
o no i've been found out
feral perch
You want to nuke ‘em?
sonic ridge
I swear all rookie does is just walk about for hours finding a fire extinguisher and then uses it near the end lmao
feral perch
Bio foam canister
gilded mason
You want to nuke ‘em?
That's the unspoken thing, yep. 😉
sonic ridge
So there
feral perch
Nuke ‘em with Sangheili love
sudden shuttle
huh so the rookie wasn't shot by dare, or was idk, if yes then idk how many false things have been told to me
gilded mason
even better
stable schooner
Covenant knows where Rookie is but just drops off 2 Brutes. No wonder he survived so easily
gilded mason
huh so the rookie wasn't shot by dare, or was idk, if yes then idk how many false things have been told to me
Wait, you were actually told Dare killed the Rookie?
feral perch
One almost killed Chief by hugging him too hard.
sudden shuttle
yeetus feetus
gilded mason
What in the world.
sudden shuttle
i was told dare accidently shot the rookie
said dare thought he was a insurrectionist or something
gilded mason
Yeah, that's nowhere near the truth.
stable schooner
You were Misled
sudden shuttle
they ded
stable schooner
To die in a Comic
sudden shuttle
no.
sonic ridge
If there are places where humans and Sanghelis live together does that mean they have some cross species relationships going on
sudden shuttle
i don't know much about black team
feral perch
no
gilded mason
If there are places where humans and Sanghelis live together does that mean they have some cross species relationships going on
Certainly possible.
feral perch
stop it
sudden shuttle
stop
feral perch
Chimera was right
stable schooner
In real life they would but let’s not do this lol
sonic ridge
Tfw will never have irl sangheili friends
feral perch
... do you have experience?
sonic ridge
Lizard people are cool
feral perch
🧐
half apex
wait i was thinking about something 
gilded mason
Lizard people are cool
👌 👌
sonic ridge
Sangheilis are my favourite species probably of anything I’ve ever seen or played
half apex
so when sam 034 was soon to die, couldn't blue team have just called up the pelican to retrieve him?
sudden shuttle
no.
gilded mason
Nope.
sonic ridge
Whomst
sonic ridge
Who is Sam 034
sonic ridge
Is this in a book
gilded mason
Yes. The very first book
sonic ridge
Well idk which one is the first
sudden shuttle
and also in the fall of reach
gilded mason
The Fall of Reach.
gilded mason
I'll copypaste this here for ya, Frik:
If you're interested in more Covenant stuff, I recommend Broken Circle and Shadow of Intent. Silent Storm and Oblivion also have a good amount of time devoted to Covenant perspectives.
feral perch
what
gilded mason
Still good. Just not super long
sonic ridge
Yea
I like some long books
Well decent sized
300-500 pages is nice
Short stuff i prefer to supplement the long stuff
The Ciaphas Cain series has short stories in the omnibuses that add context and background to his big books.
Also F
gilded mason
Filter strikes again
sonic ridge
Yee
stable schooner
I mean if you were on a inner Colony that never got glassed you wouldn’t feel as much hatred against Sangheili. I wonder what’s the opinion on Grunts
full forge
Your planet doesn't need to be glassed for your family to be slaughtered.
sonic ridge
I don’t even know what grunts are tbh
stable schooner
Planet that never got attacked then there you go
gilded mason
I mean if you were on a inner Colony that never got glassed you wouldn’t feel as much hatred against Sangheili.
I imagine there's a good amount of people who never saw the war first hand since there'd probably be a greater chance you simply died when the Covenant found you.
full forge
Your planet doesn't even need to be attacked for your loved ones to die in the war.
stable schooner
A family of scientists on a never attacked Inner Colony for ex would not have that hatred nearly as much
sonic ridge
Sounds like 40k
feral perch
On the other hand, your family could be killed while fleeing from glassing beams, only for you to survive and be rescued by none other than Sgt. Avery Johnson
sonic ridge
Except with less xeno hating
gilded mason
Oh yeah...that thing happened
feral perch
that was incredible
gilded mason
That's one word for it
sonic ridge
Wot
full forge
On another hand, your father could go missing and you spend your entire life searching for him.
sonic ridge
He’s at GNR
feral perch
he survived by going through a slipspace translocator
sonic ridge
Who are we taking bout
stable schooner
Anyways even just a friendship between an human and Elite should not be seen as impossible. Though Elites who attacked reach working with Survivors Of Reach is ironically funny
full forge
Yes.
sonic ridge
I always saw the rumours he killed 6
full forge
No he didn't.
sonic ridge
Cause lefty
full forge
Nope.
sonic ridge
Do we know who it was
full forge
No.
sonic ridge
F
full forge
Yeah.
sonic ridge
I bet it was Rtas
full forge
Wrong armor.
sonic ridge
Shh
stable schooner
That’s a myth that I don’t get how people still believe it. Load up The Arbiter and see the position Arbiter holds his Sword
sonic ridge
It was like a year before 3
He holds it in the left don’t he
I don’t remember tbh
I swear he does
stable schooner
No Arbiter holds it in the right in every single game he’s in
sonic ridge
Oh
stable schooner
Nah their like Oh it’s a Zealot and he holds a blade in his left hand must be the Arbiter
full forge
^
subtle depot
The myth is that a different arbiter killed six as only they were trained to use a left handed sword. It’s still not very solid but more believable than thel doing it
gilded mason
Was there even an arbiter during the events of Reach?
As far as we know, no.
sonic ridge
For some reason I thought Thel was left handed for a while idk why when he clearly isn’t lmao
sonic ridge
Physical game thing?
gilded mason
Well that's vague.
sonic ridge
Yea
fair hazel
maybe
stable schooner
Straight up says it’s The Arbiter Lol and he’s still right Handed
sonic ridge
I don’t quite connect with him as much now since he’s not left handed lmao
Idk why I thought he was for so long
stable schooner
I really don’t understand how that myth Started.
fair hazel
Covenant
An Arbiter - Primary weapon Plasma Rifle
anyways
oh no... people were talking about thel vadamee supposedly killing six...
ug
obsidian thistle
Oh the Halo Interactive Strategy Game aint canon
@fair hazel
For 1 it has an AI surpass her 7 year lifespan.
Another. The Arby is just problematic.
obsidian thistle
In regards to the board game https://twitter.com/GrimBrotherOne/status/1108152510361960449?s=19
That said Halopedia does have records on the two non-canon elements.
Imagine it like this
The old Star Trek board games from the TNG era
Later media/movies retconning it completely. Except in this case it was never given any breathing room.
fair hazel
yeah didnt think so but, i remembered it
meager delta
versed helm
does anyone know an estimate of the military population for the covenant
Please @ me if you find the answer ❤️
i can’t find it anywhere
gilded mason
A huge amount. 🤷
versed helm
Because, humans i think i heard is around 40 billion people, and around 90-100 million military
vague scroll
we don't even know any population data on the Covenant
and the UEG population is highly disputed but there we do admittingly have some numbers
fair hazel
we dont have numbers for human or covenant military
gilded mason
because they're neat
gilded mason
magic
Probably something in here, somewhere:
https://www.halopedia.org/Energy_shielding
versed helm
i'm reading it and there honestly isn't
versed helm
the best we can do is try to rationalize a design based on the observable characteristics
let's imagine that it's a failsafe, that if the shield starts receiving more energy than it can effectively counter, it eventually begins to overload and there's basically a circuit breaker inside it that keeps it from being destroyed completely
and perhaps in doing that it dumps the capacitors that feed the emitters power
so it has to recharge those from the power supply and that's your shield regen
it's all just technobabble magic in the end but you can at least come up with some vague engineer-sounding explanations
plasma does have an EMP effect
there have been some descriptions of being able to focus power in certain areas of a personal shield in halo
to that end, you can penetrate areas that are being given less power, and if plasma weapons have an EMP effect, the energy sword is basically just a highly focused plasma bolt that doesn't scatter when it touches something
so it just overwhelms the shield by being an immense amount of energy on a small contact point
Yeah, that sounds about right, and then the cutoff point comes when the system is at risk of cooking itself
Since heat is certainly generated when it pushes that much energy through its emitters
The books describe the shielding as being a little disorienting when it's on because it creates an invisible bubble around the wearer, and reduces their friction a little
John-117 had a feeling like skating when Cortana increased the distance from the soles of his feet slightly
versed helm
So like, grunts.
Have they been retconned to not need a fully-methane environment to breathe?
I'm noticing the newer ones look like Crazy Frog and they're just wearing a nasal cannula that goes to their methane tank instead of a properly sealed filter mask. Kinda... seems opposite to the things I've seen where grunts require methane-filled tents to breathe if they're not wearing their rebreathers. Wouldn't they just be breathing the local air, partially mixed with some methane? Wouldn't that make them more susceptible to atmosphere poisoning?
also hey StoneWall, you said that Halsey was motivated by the Insurrectionists using a nuke, and that it convinced her the Spartan program was the right thing to do
But the nuking happened -after- the S-II kids were already a thing
And the UNSC was nuking colonies before the Insurrection even became a war
versed helm
@versed helm I hope the grunts change back to their halo 3/reach looks
bring back the cute puppy face rebreathers
worthy ember
How many people survived the first halo ring other than master chief?
vivid dust
Chief/Cortana, Johnson, Locklear, Polaski, Haverson, and Chips Dubbo and Stacker
hardy goblet
Linda, if you count space lol
strong sage
Im still surprised that gray team is still loyal with unsc despite they are the most hardest team to trained/control. Are there reasons they are still loyal to them while knowing the tend to missing in action a lot
sonic ridge
Chief probably would talk to the arbiter more in 3 if he wasn’t sort of a silent protagonist
I don’t think he ever speaks while you are controlling him but will in cutscenes and stuff
Here on crows nest the arbiter is talking to chief directly saying the brutes have taken his soldiers and we should go save them
blissful roost
@sonic ridge he wanna talk a lot more than on Halo 3, is 343 who's doing Infinite, not Bungie
sonic ridge
You wot
blissful roost
What
sonic ridge
I have no idea what you were trying to say there
versed helm
i mean, the heretics had really dumb armor in general but they also only appeared once and all died to the flood / to being dumped into Threshold's gravity well
i don't think they had a good design but they weren't the literal most common enemy in the game
grunts... kind of are important
gilded mason
Yeah, that new rebreather used in the later games had me scratching my head.
sonic ridge
Do sangheili have some form of parley
stoic hamlet
Not during the war they didn’t 😛
gilded mason
Probably not against humans during the war.
sonic ridge
But like other than that
gilded mason
Perhaps. Certainly possible.
sonic ridge
Am I just asking stupid questions since there doesn’t seem to be any concrete answers to any
Perhaps the archives are incomplete.
gilded mason
Nah, they're fine questions to ponder.
gilded mason
In my view, considering how large the Covenant was, I imagine there are a lot of places that utilize different guidelines for certain things.
sonic ridge
Alright
versed helm
Do you think the UNSC will go from Ammunition to Hardlight, or Plasma, or another material?
I doubt not for a long time, but i wonder if we have the technology to even use Hardlight or Plasma
carmine sleet
Considering that they're reverse engineering Covenant and Forerunner tech as well as human scientists helping create the Fuel Rod Cannon seen in Halo 5, I wouldn't be surprised if in a hundred years, the UNSC is using plasma-based weaponry as standard issue
humble yacht
We see this on UNSC weapons in halo 5
carmine sleet
Plus what Chimera said too
main rivet
I imagine at most we’ll see weapons like the railgun and the attachments.
versed helm
Would you guys say Hardlight is better than Plasma? I know that each has their advantages
Railgun is still amunition
main rivet
The point of humans running around with ballistic weapons was always gameplay based.
My point is the “futuristic” weapons are add ons
versed helm
Not necessarily, we didn't have technology to use plasma and barely even probably knew what hardlight was before the human covvie war
main rivet
We will have bullet-based assault rifles and pistols, etc. because it’s the gameplay differences that inform that choice.
humble yacht
Hard light is a more advanced technology than plasma, for sure
versed helm
But Hard light is probably more expensive to use
Ammunition is also, cheap compared to plasma and hard light also probably
humble yacht
Expensive? I don’t think the forerunners were worried about expenses when using hard light
humble yacht
For us, we don’t yet know how to condense light ourselves
versed helm
But we can use kinetic bolts to keep ammunition viable?
humble yacht
Kinetic bolts is more of a direct coopting of forerunner tech
Like the engines of the Infinity
versed helm
Ah, is Humanity still Tier 3?
gilded mason
Yeah
humble yacht
Being able to use the tech doesn’t mean we understand it or can replicate it
If you give a caveman a sword, he can swing it and kill people with it, but he can’t make a new sword
gilded mason
They are, yes.
gilded mason
No, San'Shyuum are also naturally Tier 2
versed helm
They are basically extinct, though
gilded mason
Though during their time in the Covenant, the other races were brought up to that level
versed helm
I know they were adopted Tier 2
What did the Sangheili bring tech wise to the covenant? did they bring any new technology?
gilded mason
They are basically extinct, though
Not necessarily. Their homeworld might not actually be destroyed
versed helm
Or was there a war vs the Sangheili to join? or did they just except and join?
isn't the homeworld Janjur something
gilded mason
San'Shyuum and Sangheili had a long war against each other. And once both sides realized they were getting nowhere, they called it off and formed the Covenant between the two.
versed helm
Yet they exchanged them with brutes, Smh
gilded mason
Truth did
versed helm
It was the beginning of the end of the Covenant
gilded mason
Yeah, he felt it wouldn't have mattered since he figured his endgame was close.
gilded mason
Tier 4
gilded mason
I think they used to, but then 343 figured it wouldn't really apply to them
versed helm
Since they are anti technology?
gilded mason
I wouldn't say that
versed helm
They attack Technology that’s a threat maybe?
gilded mason
Maybe. 🤷
versed helm
I guess we don’t know huh
humble yacht
The only anti technology lekgolo we’ve seen were the mutant ones on the shard of installation 04
versed helm
They were mutant? i need to rewatch it
versed helm
How did the Covenant get the Lekgolo to come to the covenant
they seem pretty capable to defend themselves
gilded mason
After some battles, they had an Arbiter brought in to bring them into the Covenant diplomatically
versed helm
What the heck they have a language?
humble yacht
They aren’t mindless
versed helm
i think of them as simple multicellular animals, like a Sponge, or jellyfish, on earth, not complex
versed helm
no, they produce Asesually
But then again, lekgolo can make structures and things by grouping together
stoic hamlet
They have War poetry
versed helm
they seem natively peaceful
humble yacht
Haven’t you ever heard a hunter laugh after killing you?
humble yacht
Point is, yes they have language, and are intelligent
They’re just a different type of species
humble yacht
And yet for all their smarts, they couldn’t see through the prophets lies for generations
gilded mason
I'd say all species have smart people in them
versed helm
true
gilded mason
Except Yonhet.
versed helm
the species in nightfall?
gilded mason
Yes.
versed helm
lol
vague scroll
I feel that would break with the concept of the Technology Tier system in the Halo series.
Hardlight appears to be a fundamentally different sort of technology to begin with in comparison to plasma projectiles and firearms. Humanity is still at a designated Tier 3 technology state, and barely tapping into Tier 2 at the moment, even with the tech renaissance brought about by the Covenant's scraps.
If the Covenant don't even have hard light, I don't think its really a good idea to start arming humans with hardlight as a standard munition.
Not my personal tastes at least, there's nothing that says that hardlight weaponry can't or shouldn't be adopted by them.
I just think it would be moving too fast.
humble yacht
Those weapons don’t shoot blamite
vague scroll
right, but at the same time, those are also UNSC weapons with jerry rigged Forerunner weapon parts attached, not full reverse-engineered hardlight weapons. And I'd prefer it stay that way.
fair hazel
we dont know the extent of those modification
and to advance in tech but still keep that, id like kinetic bolts style stuff
but, humans are reclaimers
so their tech forerunner advancement is easier
humble yacht
Modified hardlight
sonic ridge
Die Thel beg after he said they’d be disappointed if they came to see him beg
humble yacht
No
sonic ridge
Okay
sonic ridge
How do sangheilis eat
gilded mason
Carefully
sonic ridge
Do they only do liquids
Mashing meat into a pulp
Also idk if it’s just halo 2 a but they have front teeth that are yellow but their mandible teeth are white
And they have molars which would mean they are omnivores right
gilded mason
I think only the H4-5 Elites have molars.
sonic ridge
They got em in h2a
gilded mason
Oh?
sonic ridge
I didn’t take screenshots but I zoomed in on elite mouth and they had em on the mandibles
gilded mason
I'll check real quick
sonic ridge
Alright
fallow quest
Time to load up the model
sonic ridge
That’s it, I’m getting me mallet.
fallow quest
They also have tongues.
gilded mason
Ye
sonic ridge
Need tongues to pronounce certain letters
fallow quest
I see it as a makeshift bottom jaw when they eat
gilded mason
Though there are smaller teeth
gilded mason
They're fairly haphazardly placed
So if they are molars...I can't see them really getting much use. If they even could be used, considering the whole mandible thing
sonic ridge
Yea Idk how they even eat
fallow quest
Supposedly clasping on the head of their prey
sonic ridge
Vore
gilded mason
Let's not go that far.
sonic ridge
Do they have a poker to poke into the brain and suck it out
fallow quest
Strong neck muscles = decapitation
fallow quest
Squidhead is appropriate then. Instead of suction points you got tons of teeth dig into the prey. Can’t move in any direction.
sonic ridge
I can imagine several children dying from playing some silly game and it goes wrong lmao
fallow quest
Crazy to think that Spartans sprint faster than horses.
sonic ridge
Yea it’s hard to imagine when they go so bloody slow in most games lmao
fallow quest
I mean when they do their dead sprints, I believe when John sprinted his 62.5 kph he tore something even in MJOLNIR
sonic ridge
F
fallow quest
Wait even faster then that he went up to 105 kph when he did his full on dead sprint.
Eat your heart out MCU captain america haha
gilded mason
There's a medic in Halo 4?
gilded mason
But no. Kelly, along with the rest of Blue Team, was elsewhere.
unique rune
Medic... as in.
White and red armor...?
unique rune
That... that was Palmer.
sonic ridge
Well the last time I played halo 4 was to complete legendary
gilded mason
...lol
sonic ridge
I think she was
gilded mason
Not that I ever heard.
humble yacht
Palmer was an ODST, then a spartan, then Spartan Cmndr
fallow quest
Going off of john’s sprint. He went across an entire kilometer in 17 seconds
gilded mason
...
fallow quest
No...
sonic ridge
Dare was female ODST
stable schooner
Sanity Destroyed
gilded mason
Dare is Dare's actual name, so...
gilded mason
Veronica Dare.
gilded mason
Yes...
fallow quest
Yea
gilded mason
No
sonic ridge
I had no friends to play it with
fallow quest
No she isn’t
gilded mason
She is one of the AI or player controlled allies you have in the campaign
You cannot control her
She isn't part of Osiris.
fallow quest
Palmer only shows up to pick you up in a pelican on sanghelios
sonic ridge
Tfwdont play arbiter again
fallow quest
I could see why people would think Palmer was a medic. She has markings that marine medics in 4 have on their armor. Those red wing emblems.
sonic ridge
Yea
stoic hamlet
They’re not at all the same things
Palmer has stylized wings on her armour
Medics have asklepian symbols
sonic ridge
Close enough
stoic hamlet
I’d argue not really, no. It’s about attentiveness and stuff.
Also knowledge of symbols
But I suppose if one just glances maybe they’d mistake the two
maybe
sonic ridge
Maybe
unique rune
Wasn't that supposed to be the Pelican's leftover power restarting the generators?
unique rune
Might've been that once Chief's armor generators had been jumpstarted, some of the power generated by them was routed into the Pelican.
It's the only explanation I can think of.
MJOLNIR's microfusion generators are supposed to be pretty efficient, GEN3's likely being even more than previous iterations.
stoic hamlet
I mean, the Mark IV’s reactor can run for 15 years continuously
unique rune
I doubt it really ran out of power. Probably just went into a hibernation/power conservation mode.
sonic ridge
That happens from a hard impact
I’m pretty sure first strike or some name similar says that
He got hit like a pingball
Ping pong ball
versed helm
since he was floating around in space, the armor may have been locked up to prevent him from moving and throwing off his course. Astronauts do a kind of swimming and have to be carful about moving to fast because of the 0 gravity causing them to fly off into space.
fair hazel
you cvan play as palmer in halo spartan assault
@versed helm Please change your name to a normal font in accordance with the #471730170768654352
strong sage
Is it possible gen 3 mjolnir have the forerunner force armor lock thingy like what the didact did to john?
But what im really hoping is that Gen 3 will be more durable thou allowing them to tank more punishments
carmine sleet
The Didact wasn't locking Chief's armour, he was using constraint fields to lift him up and it's highly unlikely that the UNSC has developed that technology
versed helm
i think the real reason they had to use the pelican is because 343 needed a cool and dramatic way to reveal the Master Chief, drop him on the deck, and then have him "power up" like a cool robot because it looks cool
MJOLNIR only has a 90 minute air supply so it's kind of a struggle to imagine the suit locking up to protect him from going adrift in space
versed helm
WHAT DOES IT MEAN 😰
versed helm
opossum
sonic ridge
Alright
carmine sleet
Pidge, newer suits of Mjolnir have larger air tanks that allow for the wearer to operate within toxic/hazardous environments (Including in the vacuum of space) for longer. It's likely that Chief's new suit allows him to drift in space for longer than any previous suit of his did
Also, the Elites in H2A multiplayer are using a model based off of the Elites in Halo 4, whereas the ones in campaign have one based off of the old H2 Elite design
sonic ridge
Alright
If they can use the halo 4 elite model for halo 2 mp why couldn’t they use em in h4 mp lmao
sonic ridge
Bruh
Alright
Is there a lore reason why h4 elites have molars but previous games didnt
sudden shuttle
never heard of it
sonic ridge
Heard of what
sudden shuttle
lore reason for h4 elites
sonic ridge
Oh
stoic hamlet
Do you mean why they look different? @sudden shuttle
sudden shuttle
yes
stoic hamlet
It’s because they’re from a different planet
sudden shuttle
idk
sonic ridge
If there were humans that suddenly appeared on mars would they really be humans
carmine sleet
They're still Elites, it's just a different phenotype of Elite
sonic ridge
But if they’re not from Sanghelios are they sangheilis
carmine sleet
Yes because they are still the same species. Like I said, they are a different phenotype, due to the environment they grew in after early settlers on Hesduros landed on the planet, they adapted to the environment so they could survive there
sonic ridge
No
carmine sleet
the set of observable characteristics of an individual resulting from the interaction of its genotype with the environment
A real world example would be a grizzly bear and a polar bear. Both of them are bears, it's just one has adapted over multiple generations to living within a much colder environment
If I was a biologist, I'd be able to explain it better
sonic ridge
It’s good enough
What other differences are there between the og sangheilis and the hesduro sangheilis
sonic ridge
Bruh
If sangheilis latch onto the head of their prey with their mouths
Does that mean ones with molars will latch onto cabbages lmao
carmine sleet
Pretty sure that's not how Elites hunt
sonic ridge
Your cabbage patch is mine
carmine sleet
And molars aren't a tooth exclusive to herbivores. Carnivores have them as well, such as humans
full forge
I have molars!!??!?!?
sonic ridge
Probably not enough animals to prey on on the planet idk
Yea
We all do
Wisdom teeth are molars that a lot of people get removed cause they ain’t wise they stupid and grow weird
full forge
Hoomens are Omnivores btw, not just Carnivorous regardless of how you treat that buffet Restaurant.
sonic ridge
Humies
stoic hamlet
Hoomans?!?!?
Fwens!
fair hazel
Wisdom teeth had an evolutionary advantage before.
sonic ridge
Cronch salad better
fair hazel
I still sont recall phénotype ever being used in canon for sangheili. For kig-yar yes.
Teeth fall out. Those back up.
sonic ridge
Sharks lose a lot of teeth and get more
fair hazel
Their teeth are less specialized too though.
sonic ridge
Whale shark probably proves that
fair hazel
Feel your teeth and check how packed to each other they are and different
sonic ridge
Okay
humble yacht
Fusion reactor applies power to the suit in conjunction with movement
When you move, the suit moves
You might even say the suit is moving you
The techsuit?
blissful roost
What´s a Mjolnir
humble yacht
Its added protection as for proper interface
humble yacht
MJOLNIR is Thor’s hammer
blissful roost
@humble yacht That makes sense
versed helm
it's the codename given to the armor spartans wear
versed helm
i don't know. ask your name
fair hazel
Tech suit is more than just interface. It is core to mjolnir
humble yacht
Might be worth looking up MJOLNIR on halopedia for an in depth breakdown of how it works
fair hazel
@spartanHD118#7081 don’t bypass word filter
blissful roost
@versed helm The Mjolnir is too many capes in one suit
fair hazel
What?
blissful roost
Think about it like the Iron Mn´s suit
@versed helm Did you read the Halsey´s diare?
humble yacht
Well all that info is on halopedia anyway so
fair hazel
The suit is where a lot of mjolnir components are located.
blissful roost
Chimera is right, you can read about Mjolnir armors in Halopedia
fair hazel
The undersuit
blissful roost
@versed helm Maybe
blissful roost
I don´t know where i read that, but Black Undersuit is Kevlar
blissful roost
Then, what is?
humble yacht
@blissful roost cool it with the profanity please
humble yacht
Gel layer
blissful roost
@humble yacht you are talking about my lenguage?
@fair hazel The power generator is on the back of the suit
Hey who deleted my message
humble yacht
@blissful roost don’t make trouble and nothing will get deleted
humble yacht
Also note that you should not tag moderators unless there is an issue
blissful roost
The spanish server guys talk about this kind of things?
humble yacht
It’s all in the #471730170768654352
humble yacht
The Spanish channel follows the same rules
fair hazel
The chest/back piece contains the fusion power generator
She was in cryo pod
Then it got ejected
It wasn’t endless.
She got picked up by the long sword
last anchor
Not much of one, the two other crewmen in the three-pod lineup died
Linda survived cause she was in her armor
stoic hamlet
Well she wasn’t technically alive to begin with
last anchor
She was clinically dead but of course Spartans are hard to kill. And when you have access to a surgical prodigy like Dr. Halsey...
Actually is there anything Halsey cant do?
sudden shuttle
wdym
carmine sleet
Halsey's missing an arm these days
sudden shuttle
didn't oni arrest her
versed helm
that doesn't mean she doesn't continue working for them
last anchor
They did. And now shes their only hope of not dying, AGAIN.
Since Cortanas the head of the Created and she made cortana
sudden shuttle
no like since oni arrested her, are they limiting her?
like not giving her time to make herself a hand
or an arm i mean
carmine sleet
It's more likely she'd just be given a new arm but the reason she hasn't got one yet was because she was working with Jul 'Mdama between Halo 4 and 5 and he wasn't too bothered about getting her a new one
last anchor
Also hes old-school Covenant hardliner and they didnt believe in prostetics. If you lost an arm, tough.
And shes only been back with the UNSC for...a couple days now?
carmine sleet
At the end of Halo 5, yes. But they were much more focused on the pressing issue
In the time after Halo 5, I wouldn't be surprised that they have given her a new one
It needs to act and look completely different to the Cortana we've seen in Halo before
sudden shuttle
we are probably gonna see m32
carmine sleet
Yeah, I'm confused too, what do you mean with M32?
obsidian thistle
We have the XM510 grenade launcher
Thats close to a M32
Halo Wars
The Grenadier upgrade for the Warthog
Yep most people hardly notice
buoyant furnace
versed helm
Sometimes I ponder the idea of the original Spartan IVs actually being overly successful in their augmentations, but so covert that Ilsa Zane was the only reject posing as the sole survivor - that, or she's the only one allowed to be exposed to the other Spartan generations
sonic ridge
Do sangheilis cook
gilded mason
Yes.
sonic ridge
What kinda stuff do they cook
gilded mason
Food
sonic ridge
343 should make a cook book
Like how game of thrones did one
I think there’s an elder scrolls one too
I’d get a halo cookbook
gilded mason
Luckily, they didn't go through with that extremely stupid endeavor in the end.
stable schooner
Halo universe isn’t foreign enough from our own to warrant a Cook book I’d say.
humble yacht
I don’t think a universe being foreign is what necessitates being worth a cool book
Game of thrones was hardly that foreign
vague scroll
cook books tend to be exclusive to the fantasy genre
stable schooner
I disagree Game of Thrones isn’t our Earth. And halo doesn’t involve fantasy foods among Humans
humble yacht
Game of thrones was a world of humans eating majorly the same things we eat today
That’s why a cookbook worked
How you gonna make a sangheili cookbook?
vague scroll
^
humble yacht
None of those ingredients exist
vague scroll
good luck with making Moa Burgers for that matter
stable schooner
True but that’s from a Medieval setting. But that my point basically Elite Cuisine as a cook book would make no sense
vague scroll
I'd have to get back to you on that one... I'm not sure eating ostrich is a common thing in Australia, most definitely not elsewhere though.
humble yacht
Its an exotic meat
vague scroll
yeah
humble yacht
You can get it
stable schooner
That would be tough if all the reach critters were a Cook Book and Exotic animals were the substitute
humble yacht
May not be easy but it’s possible
vague scroll
just kind of an expensive delicacy after some googling
humble yacht
I wonder if Botw ever made a cookbook
sonic ridge
I didn’t mean human food
I meant alien food
But obviously recreated with human stuff we have irl
proud quail
question; how readily available would prosthetic limbs have been for the UNSC?
last anchor
Probably pretty, considering Kats
humble yacht
A spartan would certainly be a special case. Even a spartan 3
Too much of an investment to not repair if possible
And Kat being of crop worth putting into noble team would make saving that investment even more important
acoustic ridge
humble yacht
Jul obviously amputate halsey’s arm because it was the easiest way to deal with her gunshot wound, but i wonder if the UNSC would have given her a prosthesis if they could have
Well who says it would be of military quality
I’m sure there is civilian level prosthetics in the 26th century
gilded mason
I forget where I read it, but wouldn't making robotic limbs that are much stronger than the rest of you be a potentially bad thing? Something about the rest of your body not being able to take the stress of the much greater power the limb has and cause things like snapped bones. 3rd Law of Motion and all that.
humble yacht
That’s kind of the principle behind why MJOLNIR can only be operated by Spartans
vague scroll
@proud quail we actually know that receiving robotic limbs are fairly commonplace, or at least cheap for a veteran's affairs, military benefits sort of way.
gilded mason
That’s kind of the principle behind why MJOLNIR can only be operated by Spartans
Yeah.