#lore-and-universe | Halo | Page 230

versed helm Sep 20, 2019, 3:09 PM

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Murdered parents?

humble yacht Sep 20, 2019, 3:09 PM

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😐

versed helm Sep 20, 2019, 3:09 PM

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sorry, sorry, too soon

humble yacht Sep 20, 2019, 3:09 PM

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Martha

sacred sand Sep 20, 2019, 3:13 PM

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lmao

versed helm Sep 20, 2019, 3:27 PM

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I mean Johnson's aunt who raised him did die

vague scroll Sep 20, 2019, 4:40 PM

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is this a bad time to remind people he didn't do so well on the romance side of things in Contact Harvest?

last anchor Sep 20, 2019, 4:41 PM

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Thats how he learned XD

stoic hamlet Sep 20, 2019, 4:48 PM

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Hehehehe

sacred dew Sep 20, 2019, 7:57 PM

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In the i love bees thing is think they stated some of there abilities calling them super humans

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Actually i think those were the children of Spartan 1s

carmine sleet Sep 20, 2019, 7:59 PM

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Those are the 1.1s

sacred dew Sep 20, 2019, 8:07 PM

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Yes but got the genes from there parents so its not that hard to say maybe there parents maybe had it too🤔

carmine sleet Sep 20, 2019, 8:09 PM

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I was just telling you that the children of the S-Is are known as 1.1s

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Because they're the kids of the S-1s

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But that's an unofficial designation for them, not really an official name for them

sacred dew Sep 20, 2019, 10:07 PM

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Oh OK

somber wave Sep 21, 2019, 1:49 AM

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Why do I always miss the conversations here?? Lol

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 2:27 AM

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I only live in this channel lol

stable schooner Sep 21, 2019, 2:59 AM

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Same while I’m looking at this channel for hrs no one comments I go to sleep for an hr their 125 plus comments or Looters and Ship Plating

somber wave Sep 21, 2019, 4:54 AM

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IKR just a little too late

spiral jewel Sep 21, 2019, 5:00 AM

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Is there any publicly known 1.1's? Or even 2.1's for that matter (assuming that 2.1's exist)?

stoic hamlet Sep 21, 2019, 5:30 AM

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John Forge and Rion Forge

stoic hamlet Sep 21, 2019, 5:53 AM

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So it seems

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I don’t think we know

remote spruce Sep 21, 2019, 6:00 AM

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"do you likes forests?"
"Yes"
"you're now in Fireteam Forest"

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 6:29 AM

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@versed helm tl;dr They form Spartan teams by using the training simulation, and see who works better with who in these training simulations.

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you know things like 4v4/8v8/ffa etc, basically they're examining your skills and setting you up with people that you'd probably work better with.

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once all that's refined then I guess that's how they form the actual Spartan team itself, not exactly "random chance" after all.

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They pretty much did the exact same thing when creating teams like Red team, Blue team, Omega team, etc for the Spartan II's. Spartan III's were more cheaply made, and instead of forming actual teams like they did with the II's, they either put them on lone wolf missions, or just grouped them all up together in rather large groups.

obsidian thistle Sep 21, 2019, 7:08 AM

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Um. Have a source for that?

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 7:08 AM

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The large groups were definitely subdivided into teams.

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And even if they weren't, the MJOLNIR teams present fairly notable exceptions.

obsidian thistle Sep 21, 2019, 7:09 AM

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I was more refering about the "training sims" being the reason teams formed

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 7:09 AM

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Well, doesn't seem to be the case for Osiris.

obsidian thistle Sep 21, 2019, 7:10 AM

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Or Alpha-9.

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We actually saw Alpha-9 form ;)

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Well the Halo 3: ODST formation

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 7:11 AM

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Wouldn't rule out that training simulation results inform personnel management decisions, though.

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Though I will come right out and say that Spartan IIIs weren't more cheaply made, in any quality sense.

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Maybe in actual hard cost, but that's only cuz the augmentation tech advanced.

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They had lower quality equipment though.

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As in, they had equipment far and above non-augmented special forces. They just didn't get MJOLNIR.

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Though it's beginning to seem that the SIIIs actually had the same or a greater amount of MJOLNIR-armoured units by the end of the war.

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 7:21 AM

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ODST Alpha-9 was already formed long before that. The only new addition to Alpha 9 was Dare at that point.

carmine sleet Sep 21, 2019, 7:21 AM

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I'd wager that some higher ups at ONI were likely responsible for Spartan-IIIs getting Mjolnir. I doubt Ackerson was able to as that could potentially be too risky for him to do given his rivialy with Halsey

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 7:22 AM

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There's still a story and a lot of lore to be told surrounding these SIIIs with MJOLNIR.

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Clearly they weren't just an initiative conjoined with Mark V, as some may have originally thought.

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They clearly represented a concerted effort to get more MJOLNIR-equipped soldiers in the field and merely served as an appropriate testbed for Mark V (B) at the time.

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But the bureaucratic story, catalyst, and benefactors involved with them remain a mystery.

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Though here's a question - anyone know where the "Cat 2" title comes from?

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Couldn't find any directly linked sources on the SIII page.

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https://www.halopedia.org/SPARTAN-III_program

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 7:26 AM

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yea, Rookie and Dare were the only new members of Alpha Nine if we're talking about H3 ODST. The rest were well into the squad, even during the battle of Reach.

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 7:27 AM

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CIA was talking about (I believe) lore like Helljumper and the recently-recovered promotional material from H3 ODST.

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As a Spartan team, which is the scope of this discussion, needless to say we saw them form in New Blood and reform in Bad Blood. Definitely unusual circumstances, but no simulation data seems to be have been involved.

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 7:30 AM

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@obsidian thistle as for having a source: https://www.halopedia.org/War_Games
It's basically an entire training simulation that allows certain Marine personal to become Spartan IV's, or an entire training simulation for the Spartans themselves to "strengthen" there skills.

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https://www.halopedia.org/SPARTAN-II_training

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there's also this

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 7:33 AM

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Tells CIA what War Games are as if he doesn't know

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lmao

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 7:33 AM

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well he asked for a source

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that's essentially how the Spartan teams are chosen/put together

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 7:34 AM

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Weren't the SII's sorta arbitrarily grouped together early on in their training and naturally bonded independently?

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Though if you looked at TFoR exclusively for answers, you'd come away with the idea that Spartans didn't have set teams.

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And just grouped together as the tactical situation required.

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That's how it was always presented there. Blue Team sorta evolved through circumstance and then retroactively came into existence.

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Not necessarily a bad change though.

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 7:41 AM

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Not exactly. Early on Mendez put them all in specific groups and told them the last group to get to the drop ship would "have to walk back", instead every single one of them grouped up together, took the ship, and yeah.
Blue team in particular only consisted originally of 3 people (John, Samuel, and Kelly), and made by Mendez himself.

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After that, the name kinda stuck with them sense.

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https://www.halopedia.org/Blue_Team read more about it here on the part "Known members"

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 7:47 AM

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The funny thing Person

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Is that even though you may be right

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There is literally nothing in that segment to say that Mendez put Blue Team together

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 7:49 AM

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https://www.halopedia.org/SPARTAN-II_training

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please read here @versed helm

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you could say it was either Mendez who put the list together, Halsey, or the Deja AI itself. Or all 3 really. I'm pointing my money on Mendez doing it considering he was the one who put them through all the training exercises to begin with.

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 7:50 AM

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Person it would be a really good idea for you to read sources for yourself before recommending them to others 😛

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Dude, I ain't disagreeing with you

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But your usage of sources is a bit goofy

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 7:50 AM

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bruh I read it and that's what it came to lol

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 7:51 AM

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It's like, you keep presenting us with links

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And those links hold something which tangentially proves your point

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 7:51 AM

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"Then they jogged two miles to the "playground", a maze in mid-air with a bell at the top, where they were divided into teams of three. Each team was tasked to ring the bell positioned on a pole and then cross the finish line. The last team to reach the bell at the end would not get supper, as an incentive to win. Though John-117 reached the bell first, his other team-mates were last, forcing them all to do without supper"

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 7:51 AM

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Well, supports is a better word.

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And then you just expect everyone you're talking with to find the information for you

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 7:52 AM

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again: Mendez practically organized all the training sessions early on himself.

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 7:52 AM

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Your problem is that you're so darn certain about everything.

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Which is a quality I admire.

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 7:52 AM

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I've been told that quoting specific points in a article is a bit to much and shouldn't be pointed out, rather just give the source and have you read it instead.

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so...read it?

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 7:53 AM

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But you don't really have an understanding of how canon is flexible.

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And by-the-by, you were told that quoting entire paragraphs was too much.

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You tended to include a lot of irrelevant information.

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Like, I don't even know why I'm trying this again.

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 7:54 AM

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I just do both because it gets the point across better usually, but hey it's all good. @versed helm

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 7:55 AM

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But y'know. The actual nature of Blue Team forming and the specific process that saw it crystallize is something which is up for interpretation.

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It's not something that's specifically addressed, it just kinda happens.

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Now, you can absolutely point to events over which the team began to crystallize.

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But the simple truth is that we don't have lore which explicitly explains what occurred behind the scenes when it comes to the formation of each Spartan team.

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We can only really infer based on what we do know, which are events that tend to have indirect correlation.

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 7:56 AM

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except it kinda was specifically addressed that Blue team was originally one of the groups made by Mendez/Halsey/The Deja AI or all 3, and only originally consisted of 3 members. It's kinda also addressed how other Spartans managed to join Blue team at all on various other different training exercises, or even during missions.

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so like, what?

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 7:57 AM

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So when you make a statement like "They form Spartan teams by using the training simulation, and see who works better with who in these training simulations", as valid is it may be as an interpretation, you can't then say it's concrete canon and treat other people like fools when they have their own supported takes.

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Though strictly speaking

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All I said was that the original intent of TFoR was clearly that Spartan teams were arbitrary and circumstance-driven

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Even if they've become a more solidified element in recent canon.

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 7:58 AM

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Yes, a training simulation, I just showed you what these "training simulations" are. Before the "digital" advancements, the simulations were usually done in-real time, using rubber bullets.

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 7:58 AM

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Yeah, I know.

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 7:58 AM

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or to "get from point A to point B" in a forest.

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 7:58 AM

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I've read TFoR multiple times, though not recently.

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 7:58 AM

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or "capture the flag" tl;dr yes.

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@versed helm We've seen Spartans die on screen, and in books/comic books plenty of times.

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We even witnessed Samuels own death in the Fall of Reach motion pic when the Covenant vessel exploded.

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 8:00 AM

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Alright, here's a valid alternative perspective on your point - in the case of Spartan IIs, teams are formed through circumstance in order to best meet their tactical situation. This is evidenced by the end of TFoR when John organized Blue Team as himself, Linda and James.

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Other traditional members of Blue Team were assigned to Red Team.

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Which itself was a highly non-standard formation.

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This indicates that while Blue Team as we know it formed out of habit and familiarity, it wasn't exactly a stone-set military formation.

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Teams are more of a tactical tool than a permanent fixture of troop organization when it comes to Spartans.

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The fact that Blue Team frequently remained in a recognizable configuration is a function of storytelling.

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 8:03 AM

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"circumstance" or, actually organized by there superiors and were even forced to accept new people into the team, such as when John reluctantly agreed that Kurt was part of Blue team as well. The superiors (UNSC/ONI/whoever does it) organized them as needed, and reassigned them as needed as well.

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 8:04 AM

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At the very least, certain sources indicate that the names of the teams are (or were intended to be) flexible.

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Take Red Team - after the disappearance of Red Team on the Spirit of Fire, the name was regularly re-used in operations throughout TFoR.

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If Red was a fixed entity at the time of its disappearance, it seems likely that the name wouldn't have been re-used.

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Primarily because the other Spartans were already formed into their corresponding teams.

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Why re-name other teams to Red if they were already their own colour?

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Probably just an oversight, but still.

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Go for it.

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The oversight's not your question, it's the team thing.

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To the same extent that it is questioned what happened to the Spirit of Fire as a whole, I imagine.

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By HW2 the ship was considered lost with all hands, so it doesn't seem likely.

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Presumably for a short time during HW1 and after, the UNSC were making efforts to determine what had happened to it.

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You mean Serina?

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And presumably she did. But the SoF had jumped a great distance to pursue Anders, and the signal would take a very long time to make its way back.

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Ships in slipspace travel faster than typical communications.

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Oh, and one more thing.

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Before it jumped in pursuit, the SoF dropped a log buoy to indicate its destination.

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But it was recovered by the Covenant instead.

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 8:13 AM

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@versed helm read more up about Red Team here https://www.halopedia.org/Red_Team
It consisted of a large amount of Spartan-II's that were assigned to the group by UNSC personal/ONI, just like Gray Team consisted of the Spartan trainee's who always attempted to escape.

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 8:13 AM

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The Roman Blue, commanded by Hood himself, retasked his ship to engage Covenant forces and ignored the log buoy.

obsidian thistle Sep 21, 2019, 8:15 AM

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Black was always weird

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 8:15 AM

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Red Team is a name given to a number of mission-specific formations of Spartan-II supersoldiers subordinate to the UNSC Naval Special Warfare Command.

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 8:15 AM

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yes, just like Blue Team is.

obsidian thistle Sep 21, 2019, 8:15 AM

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Oh and Spartan Teams were never stable. Linda for one was in a few teams.

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 8:15 AM

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"Blue Team is a semi-constant unit composed predominantly of Spartan-IIs under the operational command of UNSC Naval Special Warfare Command, generally consisting of around four members"

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 8:15 AM

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is a name given to a number of mission-specific formations of Spartan-II supersoldiers

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Literally all I was ever trying to say.

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One interpretation holds that all Spartan II formations were mission-specific

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In contrast to Spartan IVs

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Or Spartan IIIs

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Do note that I never said I hold this interpretation, just that it exists and is valid

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 8:17 AM

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I guess your missing the part where it also says Although Red Team generally operated at a size of around six members, more Spartans could be selected for missions that called for a larger force.

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 8:17 AM

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I'm not missing that part

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That part is inconsistent with the article introduction

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 8:17 AM

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More Spartans can be selected for "mission specific" missions that require a larger force. This basically applies to every Spartan-II team ever.

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 8:17 AM

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Presumably because they were written by two different people

obsidian thistle Sep 21, 2019, 8:17 AM

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Note to self fix up the Spartan teams.

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 8:18 AM

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I think you think I'm attacking your perspective Person

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And I ain't

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I'm telling you that you're often too steadfast and neglect the valid elements of alternative perspectives

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You sorta see your own first take as the definitive canon

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Which I'm afraid just isn't the nature of fiction

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Like, I don't even really need to argue with you on this.

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 8:20 AM

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No, I don't think your attacking anything, I'm just making sure you aren't stearing it into something else then what it really is. The Spartan-II's themselves don't really have a choice who they get to be with at any given situation. John could've been with the rest of his friends and teamates at the planet Onyx, instead he was stationed at Earth.

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 8:20 AM

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It's more nuanced than that though, isn't it?

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Because in one instance a deployed quantity of Spartans is ordained by the powers that be

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And in other instances, Spartans organize themselves into their own mission-specific teams

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And they both use the same distinguishing terminology

obsidian thistle Sep 21, 2019, 8:21 AM

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Actually John "could" have been sent to Onyx. He was just fortunate enough to be on the Amber Clad to miss that chance completely

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 8:21 AM

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There's nuance here which you're not allowing for.

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 8:23 AM

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@versed helm Medigel capable of healing various different types of wounds (we don't know any specific ones), and even plasma burns to some extents apparently. Of course, I'm pretty sure it's not advanced enough to "heal" entire organs.

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 8:23 AM

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The distinction between "heal" and "treat" is important here.

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Halo is a universe that has an element of realism to it so that things which "heal" are actually things which treat wounds and allow those who bear them to fight on.

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Wait hold the phone

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 8:25 AM

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I don't know of any section where the "Spartans" organize themselves besides in a select very few training sessions which only happened very early on. Only the higher-ups do that as far as I know.

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 8:25 AM

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The ending of TFoR

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lmao

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 8:25 AM

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Yes, select Spartan teams can work together, not organize themselves as one unit

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 8:26 AM

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John made a Blue Team and a Red Team on the spot

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That's organizing themselves into teams

obsidian thistle Sep 21, 2019, 8:26 AM

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Halo: The Fall of Reach has 1 case where they split into Red and Blue Teams. Back then Blue was funnily enough not a defining factor of John and so on.

First Strike has Red organise into sub groups.

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 8:27 AM

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It is advanced enough to heal various kinds of wounds, from blunt trauma to plasma burns.

obsidian thistle Sep 21, 2019, 8:27 AM

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I still wonder if Beta Red survived. But thats another story

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 8:27 AM

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https://www.halopedia.org/Optican

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Referenced to H3 ODST

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 8:27 AM

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yes, that's where I got my info from in terms of medigel.

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 8:28 AM

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Well, it's someone's interpretation. I doubt it can magically regrow tissue.

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But there's more medigel stuff in Battle Born, isn't there?

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I'll have a quick look.

obsidian thistle Sep 21, 2019, 8:28 AM

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Oh. I need to fix that. Remove the gameplay specific stuff (Plasma stuff) cause that may not be 100% accurate to canon.

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However

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https://www.halopedia.org/images/b/b6/CIV-Optican-logo2.png

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 8:30 AM

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Well, it seems to do something to Evie's leg.

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What is this stuff?

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Some kind of nano agent maybe?

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Pffft why would it

obsidian thistle Sep 21, 2019, 8:31 AM

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Sci-fi technobabble. Thats kinda what this is lol

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 8:31 AM

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Anyway Evie's leg went from being sore to being fine.

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Could be a painkiller and something that helps with swelling.

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Could be magic healing stuff.

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The usage of the word "heal" here is a little cartoonish

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But I just don't know

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It's gotta be something that moderates the body's reaction to injuries instead of something that just zaps everything fine again

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If it was something that could actually regenerate you, what's the use of biofoam?

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This gel seems to have its limits, though.

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Seemingly it can treat any injury up to a certain level.

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So potentially it's just some kind of omni-useful substance that is rated to deal with all kinds of common injuries

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Potentially in many different ways

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It might kill pain for some, reduce swelling on others, etc etc.

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Topical anaesthetic + omni-useful treatment agent

obsidian thistle Sep 21, 2019, 8:35 AM

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The fact the medigel label (image above) says "If wound is not healed within specified time, seek medical help." kinda shows its not the solve all treatment.

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 8:36 AM

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@versed helm Biofoam seals hull breaches usually, but doesn't have any healing properties associated with it.

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or are we talking about hull breaches on star ships?

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 8:36 AM

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Starships have their own regenerative agents to help cope with hull breaches.

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Smart substances.

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Within the plating.

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I'll drum up a Warfleet quote, hold up

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 8:37 AM

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Mjolnir armor breaches can be repaired with the Nano-bots inside of them given the materials and resources are located near by.

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 8:37 AM

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Sharp intake of breath

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That's a stretch

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 8:37 AM

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not entirely sure if it's a full repair without the usage of an AI though.

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 8:38 AM

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If you tell me that's absolutely canon I'm gonna flip out

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Spartans even carry patching kits

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After Chi Ceti

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Presumably MJOLNIR has A) the ability to compartmentalize

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And B) similar stuff as in in starship armour which I'm about to clarify

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The space between armor plates is filled with shock-hardening fluids and encapsulated healing agents to reduce spall from impacts and automatically seal small hull breaches.

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Warfleet, page 19

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Jesus is it that bad?

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Do you have a page for me to look at?

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I've got Bloodlines right here

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The helmet probably did most of the saving.

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 8:41 AM

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I know for a fact Mark IV didn't have this "repair" ability btw.

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 8:41 AM

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But I'd like to check the context

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 8:41 AM

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but I think Mark V, and I think we all know Mark VI definitely has it.

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 8:41 AM

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Do you have a page number

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Oh no

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There's no page numbers

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Mark VI and Mark VII definitely have nanobot stuff

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If that stuff enables them to instantly patch the suit, though, I'd be intrigued.

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It seems to be able to only alter the suit in any way over a more elongated time span.

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The Flood and TFoR give no indication Mark V would either.

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 8:44 AM

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I wouldn't say it's a "instant" patch, definitely not.

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that's why I said "not entirely sure if it's a full repair without the usage of an AI though."

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 8:45 AM

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I personally stand against the notion that the VI and VI MOD change was purely brought about by nanobots.

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Too drastic a change for a suit of armour that in the past was developed by teams of technicians and scientists.

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 8:47 AM

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With the usage of an AI, and nanobots, along with early designs/prototypes of "next gen" Spartan suits being stored in the AI's mind.
I don't see any problem with Mark VI Gen 1 being "upgraded" to said prototype like functions.

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If anything I'd personally call MC's armor in H4 Mark VI Gen 1.5

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 8:47 AM

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I think you could pretty convincingly say that Cortana utilized the FuD's logistical fabrication units (if it has such, which seems likely given what HW2 tells us about UNSC logistics), any maintenance drones that happened to be aboard the ship, and maybe even spare MJOLNIR components that were brought for the Battle of the Ark to remodel his suit.

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With the period of time she had, I could believe that.

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But a full remodel using only nanobots is just too much to ask me to believe.

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It's immersion-breaking.

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I could believe that she could find ways to get tools inside the pod without waking Chief. She is a genius.

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 8:49 AM

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still though, anything you say or do will still be immersion-breaking regardless considering the damage to his suit is still there in H4 on his chest piece despite being "remodeled".
Of course you could just call it an over sight on 343's art team.

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 8:49 AM

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I don't think we see the damage before he falls to Requiem.

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 8:49 AM

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no, we do. Right from when he 1st wakes up, his chest is visible in the cryo tube.

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If you do co-op play, it's also there in gameplay to.

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I just think it was an over sight by 343 honestly.

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 8:50 AM

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Nah, you don't.

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Not in the pod.

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But yeah, the FuD itself in Halo 4 is one of the greatest canonical issues in the history of the franchise.

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So y'know.

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This is what happens when you chicken out of retcons I guess.

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 8:53 AM

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Chief's armor still having the scruff/dent despite all the changes and upgrades Cortana did, just looks like an over sight by 343 (they even show a fully working/built model of the armor without the scruff in the Prologue, but you could just call that CGI).
The ship itself though? Nah, just 343 wanting to change the look of it cause it looks cooler in cut scenes and fits the over-all level design better to.

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 8:56 AM

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Evidently they went in to Halo 4 with the goal of retconning prior suits of MJOLNIR.

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I mean, it's plain as day in the introduction.

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And it's also plain as day in how weaksauce the "nanobots" explanation is.

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Very last-minute canonical patchjob.

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 8:57 AM

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I don't see how they'd want to retcon prior suits at all considering in H4 they even have suits from past MJOLNIR like Recon appearing in H4 MP.

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 8:57 AM

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I would hope 343's internal explanation has evolved.

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Well, you have heard 343's various press interviews where they talked at length about wanting to cement their own vision of the franchise.

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And if it wasn't a retcon, the way they went about it was senseless.

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 8:57 AM

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EOD also made an apperance, abit slightly designed differently, but still recognizable as EOD. Bungie did the same thing in Reach to.

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 8:58 AM

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I'm not exactly saying that they wanted to retcon all prior designs.

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But they certainly went into Halo 4 wanting to make their new armour Chief's definitive representation

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And potentially that of the SIIs in general, given the intro

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 8:58 AM

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until they decided to change it again in H5, then again in Halo Infinite.

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In Infinite, they're going back to the Halo Legends style for..honestly Idk. I'm actually really curious how other forms of Armor will look like now to.

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 9:00 AM

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It's a bit reductive to call it the Halo Legends style.

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It does have its own identity.

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 9:01 AM

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It's basically identical in a lot of ways, and the stuff surrounding it reminds me a lot of H5's pre-rendered cut scenes and HW2's pre-rendered cut scenes.

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 9:02 AM

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Actually touche

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I never really looked at their details side-by-side before

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Like, really looked

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They are very similar indeed

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 9:03 AM

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You're doing that now? lol

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I did say "halo legends style" after all lol

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 9:03 AM

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Truthfully?

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I tend to be more interested in the battlegear of non-augmented UNSC troops than I am Chief's armour or that of Spartans.

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Just a quirk of how I look at the universe.

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The pilot's gear was more interesting to me.

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The only thing that would really get me passionate about MJOLNIR was if they showed some darn ammunition storage that wasn't those silly pop-out leg things.

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Mhm.

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Mag-clamps.

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Pretty much.

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Mag-clamps seem to be fairly widespread fixtures of UNSC gear.

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 9:06 AM

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I still don't understand how they work with Covenant weapons though, especially with things like the Needler. Are they really made of a material that's magnetic? Or are the needles themselves magnetic?

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 9:06 AM

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So UNSC weaponry probably has specific mag-points to clamp on to.

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And the Covenant also have mag-clamps.

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So same deal.

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 9:07 AM

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all Covenant weapons except for the Spiker, and Mauler are confusing to me to really be "magnetic"

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 9:07 AM

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Forerunner weapons literally redesign themselves on the fly so y'know.

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They can just do whatever.

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 9:07 AM

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I don't think it's been shown that Covie weapons have mag clamps.

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 9:07 AM

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It hasn't been definitively proven, Person.

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But they sure as hell don't have slings.

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Maybe it's grav-clamps xD

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Based on Forerunner tech principles.

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 9:08 AM

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Covenant weapons are reversed/based on Forerunner designs, so a bit of both. Usually from Forerunner mining equipment.

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like the Scarab beam, or Glassing beam.

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 9:09 AM

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There's some superficial resemblance between the design of plasma small arms and boltshots.

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The claw layout.

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Entirely different means of actually bringing about harm though.

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 9:11 AM

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I think those resemblances are just circumstancial tbh, as we don't really know what the Plasma Pistol was reversed engineered from. I believe if it was from the Boltshot, it would've probably ended up more like an actual Pistol that shoots needles rather then "shoots green plasma, charge, shoots big plasma ball"

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 9:12 AM

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I was suggesting that whoever designed the plasma rifle and pistol may have intentionally tried to make them resemble the aesthetic of Forerunner weapons, if they had access to them or depictions of them.

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Perhaps Engineer tinkering may have been involved.

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 9:12 AM

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Well the aesthetic of the Forerunner design yea, I can agree with that purely.

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 9:13 AM

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My assumption when dealing with Covenant weapons is that all designs are designs that an Engineer couldn't improve on.

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They are the optimal designs for the collection of materials that they are.

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 9:14 AM

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The only Covenant weapons that we know about which didn't actually have any sort of "Forerunner involvement" and are still in use as of modern Halo times, would probably be the Brute weapons (not the Brute plasma rifle), and the Needle weapons.

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I still find the idea that an Engineer can practically take apart an entire object and put it back together in just a few minutes, while also making it run more efficiently really weird.

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 9:17 AM

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Fair enough.

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It is a bit of a foundational concept of the universe at this point, though.

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Engineers are one of the big McGuffins

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 9:18 AM

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bruh imagine if 30 Engineers could take apart the UNSC Infinity and make it into a Forerunner ship

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 9:19 AM

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Well, they have Engineers on the Infinity

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And they don't seem to be trying to do so

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 9:20 AM

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not many of them at least, usually they're for maintenance purposes and ease of use for more complicated things. Not entirely sure why Halsey was bought on board the Infinity to see what was going on with the Infinity's engines during Spartan Ops though.

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I think it was only about 8 Engineers maybe? not entirely sure on the exact number.

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 9:20 AM

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Something modest, for sure

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 9:22 AM

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"As of February 2558, Infinity had an official complement of 17,151. This included 8,900 Navy personnel, 5,400 Marines, 750 ODSTs, 1,700 ONI agents, 480 civilian UEG personnel, 8 Huragok, and 24 Swords of Sanghelios members."

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yep, 8 engineers exactly.

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 9:22 AM

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Nice.

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I wonder what an Engineer would do to an MA5.

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If they just re-arranged it to look like an AR-15 I'd probably lose it

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In-joke for my gun nerd friends

warm ridge Sep 21, 2019, 9:33 AM

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inb4 rearranged to look exactly like a AR-15 but instead of bullets it uses frozen shards of ice

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 9:35 AM

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I'm guessing an engineer would acknowledge that the weapon would be useless if there was no ammo for it

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And would ensure that it was still compatible with the same ammunition

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And magazines

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Unless they really could completely alter the nature of the weapon

carmine sleet Sep 21, 2019, 9:38 AM

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To bad the only way to find out is by finding an engineer and giving them a weapon to modify

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Still, it is an interesting thing to think about, given everything else we've seen engineers do

carmine sleet Sep 21, 2019, 3:48 PM

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Engineers deserve all the hugs and sweet jazz in the universe

stable schooner Sep 21, 2019, 3:52 PM

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To this day I have not killed an Engineer. I even use to let Jorge and Troopers kill them in Reach.

versed helm Sep 21, 2019, 4:05 PM

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Engineers had to fix forerunner tech, so they could probably somehow rearrange an AR to shoot something with no ammo

sacred dew Sep 21, 2019, 4:32 PM

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An engineer upgraded an odsts armour be translucent how does that work

carmine sleet Sep 21, 2019, 4:35 PM

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It wasn't upgrading the armour, the Engineer basically emitted a temporary shield to those that are considered friendly

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No idea how, but it could be a natural ability

last anchor Sep 21, 2019, 4:48 PM

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They are bio-machines, they can probably project hardlight

stoic hamlet Sep 21, 2019, 4:59 PM

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Engineers are good bois who need all the snuggles and pats imaginable.

fair hazel Sep 21, 2019, 5:30 PM

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Shields generators are mounted on huragok

gilded mason Sep 21, 2019, 6:22 PM

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Shields generators are mounted on huragok
Where was that stated?

carmine sleet Sep 21, 2019, 6:44 PM

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In Hunt the Truth, the public doesn't know anything about S-IIs being child soldiers, hence why ONI sent falsified info and had people provide cover stories to hide the fact they were child soldiers

stoic hamlet Sep 21, 2019, 7:11 PM

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I remember watching it live and thinking in the first few eps why ONI didn’t arrest him when he strayed digging too deep.

The payoff was so good.

vague scroll Sep 21, 2019, 7:20 PM

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@versed helm it's something that's been a continuously vague rumor amongst the UNSC armed forces for years thanks to the incident between Chief and that trio of ODSTs in Halo: Fall of Reach. However, its not publicly known, in HTT Giraud tried to reveal it but was caught up in a ONI false flag operations and his findings were discredited so no one believes it to be seriously true.

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It's why Madsen in Spartan Ops is particular about when mentioning about the S-IIs he says "The story goes she [Halsey] kidnapped a bunch of kids."

obsidian thistle Sep 21, 2019, 8:14 PM

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Impossible for rumors not to get out. Especially with a very annoyed ODST that had his men die.

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But thats all it was. "Rumors"

stoic hamlet Sep 21, 2019, 8:18 PM

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Silva was justified

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I definitely found myself agreeing with him

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At least on the Spartan stuff

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Or well, I understood his anger

obsidian thistle Sep 21, 2019, 10:22 PM

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Still. It didnt help rumors getting out and spreading

fair hazel Sep 21, 2019, 10:38 PM

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Even covenant had some knowledge of it

worthy ember Sep 22, 2019, 12:59 AM

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What were the flood doing during halo 4-5?

warm ridge Sep 22, 2019, 1:00 AM

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The Covenant had knowledge that the Humans were going as far to experiment on there own people to "enhance" there ability to beat them, but beyond that I highly doubt they knew of there true origins at all.

stoic hamlet Sep 22, 2019, 1:01 AM

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Sorry, what? Can you source that?

warm ridge Sep 22, 2019, 1:01 AM

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In fact, most of the Covenant thought the Spartan-II soldiers were "Demons" from Hell that Humanity worshiped as gods/created to destroy Forerunner artifacts. Atriox even goes on the note saying "As I suspected, nothing but a man"

stoic hamlet Sep 22, 2019, 1:01 AM

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^^^

unique rune Sep 22, 2019, 1:02 AM

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@worthy ember The Flood on Installation 00 were recovering/being contained following Installation 08's firing and simultaneous destruction in Halo 3. Other populations of Flood... I don't believe we really know much about.

stoic hamlet Sep 22, 2019, 1:02 AM

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They assumed they were lost souls encased in armour via dark magic and sent against humanity’s enemies.

worthy ember Sep 22, 2019, 1:03 AM

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So the flood were still a threat in Halo 4-5?

unique rune Sep 22, 2019, 1:03 AM

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Not really.

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The Flood on the Ark were contained by the Ark's defenses up until the Banished broke the wreckage of High Charity open.

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There's almost certainly still other Flood out there (contained in Forerunner research stations or otherwise), but we don't really know much about them at the moment.

warm ridge Sep 22, 2019, 1:04 AM

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@unique rune I don't believe Installation 08 ever fired successfully. Partially, but definitely not to the point where it was capable of covering the usual distance. In fact, I believe it shook itself to pieces/blew up in the middle of it's firing sequence.

stoic hamlet Sep 22, 2019, 1:05 AM

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We know it did

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Spark says as much during H3

warm ridge Sep 22, 2019, 1:05 AM

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343 still hasn't really provided any lore as to how life still exist on the Ark at all, much less the remaining Flood being contained by 00 Tragic Solitude.

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Yes, Spark says it'd destroy the installation, but not actually "fire".

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He even calls it a "Premature fire"

unique rune Sep 22, 2019, 1:07 AM

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@versed helm Roughly half a ton for GEN1 variants, and somewhat less for GEN2, IIRC?

warm ridge Sep 22, 2019, 1:07 AM

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"A premature firing would destroy the Ark, it'd destroy this Installation.."

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https://youtu.be/eb0ENiXxFIs?t=46

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premature is definitely not "full on effective firing". Sounds more like "exploding, partially being effective".

unique rune Sep 22, 2019, 1:09 AM

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Checked Halopedia...
Apparently Mk. IV weighed half a short ton, while later Mk. V weighed in about a quarter ton.

warm ridge Sep 22, 2019, 1:10 AM

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@worthy ember as for the Flood being a threat in H4-H5. To Humanity? At the moment no. We don't really know much information at all on the case with the Flood and Humanities encounters with it beyond H3, and the armor descriptions present in H5 for specific armors.
This doesn't mean the Flood isn't a threat to the whole on Halo universe, because it very much still is. Probably on random Forerunner installations, or certain worlds that had "Forerunner containment area's" even. Like the shield world we saw in HW1.

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The Covenant goes on record to have even encountered various different Flood outbreaks on different Forerunner installations, so yeah. They already long knew of the "Infection" even during HW1 back in the 2530's.

worthy ember Sep 22, 2019, 1:13 AM

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Also, What happens if MULTIPLE Spartans fall to the flood?

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...

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N u k e s?

warm ridge Sep 22, 2019, 1:19 AM

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Isn't it stated the Spartans body pretty much explodes via meltdown of the mini-reactor that powers the suit? A sort of failsafe measure.

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when the spartans die at least.

worthy ember Sep 22, 2019, 1:20 AM

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I mean like.

warm ridge Sep 22, 2019, 1:20 AM

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https://halo.fandom.com/wiki/Fail-Safe_Detonation

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ah yes, here it is.

worthy ember Sep 22, 2019, 1:21 AM

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What happens when a Spartan 4 falls to the flood?

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Like locke?

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What if Locke got infected?

warm ridge Sep 22, 2019, 1:21 AM

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Nothing is said about it. The only armor mentioned to have said fail safe measure was Mark V armor.

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but I wouldn't be surprised if it made it into Mark VI, and Spartan IV's as well.

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The Flood basically removed the possible reaction of "nuclear melt down" straight from the armor itself before killing the host.

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as said measure only happens when either the host dies, or a near by Spartan activates it.

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It also makes sense why Noble 6's video footage feed in the helmet stopped recording in Reach. It just abruptly ends out of no where right before he gets stabbed.
You could say he was officially KIA'd before that last Elite stabbed him, so the armor enacted a failsafe protocol of "nuclear meltdown detonation".

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and the Helmet's camera was affected by the sudden burst of radiation, and completely blacked out/stopped working. Basically EMPing it.

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the helmet isn't "fine". Even in Reach's cut scenes when we 1st see the helmet, it actually looks like it's been digged into the ground, battered, and possible areas of soot on the helmet itself.

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https://youtu.be/I7fHoDm7NUE?t=121

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There's even a ton of smoke, and dust surrounding the helmet when we see it. Stuff that wasn't there previously at all.

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We don't know how radiation works in the Halo titles, but generally after 5-10 years, it's safe to walk in/go to without any medical problems happening.

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all in all I just wouldn't drink the water 😛

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Glassing also creates radiation btw.

humble yacht Sep 22, 2019, 1:31 AM

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By modern day standards, yes

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But it’s the future

warm ridge Sep 22, 2019, 1:32 AM

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Most of the radiation is relatively dispersed/gone after 5-10-15 years, maybe a few pockets of extreme radiation but nothing that can't be "handled".

humble yacht Sep 22, 2019, 1:32 AM

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I think by 26th, humanity has “cured” cancer

warm ridge Sep 22, 2019, 1:32 AM

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yep

humble yacht Sep 22, 2019, 1:32 AM

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So, yeah. Because future

warm ridge Sep 22, 2019, 1:33 AM

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anyways, it really makes sense as to why Noble 6's video recording camera just went totally black, likely because his armor enacted the fail safe protocol to "explode" after his death. The radiation basically EMP'd it What you should really be concerned about is how we can see the video footage at all to begin with, or how the UNSC managed to obtain it.

feral perch Sep 22, 2019, 1:33 AM

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Careful, I had people jump on me about that for pointing out that inconsistency in the opening of New Blood, which doesn’t jive with Midnight in the Heart of Midlothian.

warm ridge Sep 22, 2019, 1:35 AM

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what inconsistency?

feral perch Sep 22, 2019, 1:36 AM

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Buck mentions a soldier trying to hide his emotions when a buddy is dying from cancer. Midnight establishes that cancer is easily cured by the 26th century.

humble yacht Sep 22, 2019, 1:37 AM

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All cancers?

feral perch Sep 22, 2019, 1:37 AM

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And of all people, you'd think that a soldier would have regular screenings.

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Why not all cancers?

humble yacht Sep 22, 2019, 1:38 AM

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Some cancers are more serious and difficult than others

feral perch Sep 22, 2019, 1:38 AM

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True, but this is fiction.

humble yacht Sep 22, 2019, 1:38 AM

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I know. I’m just trying to cut the canon some slack

unique rune Sep 22, 2019, 1:38 AM

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I could have sworn it was mentioned that most cancers were easily curable, but I dunno if that's something my brain made up or something I'd read somewhere.

feral perch Sep 22, 2019, 1:39 AM

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I think Forbeck was looking for an effective modern day analogy.

warm ridge Sep 22, 2019, 1:47 AM

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That, or it is a easily curable disease and certain Marines just prefer to go ahead and die from it, rather then live because some humanly made drug did it for them.

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Remember, anti-vaxxers are probably still a thing even in the 26th century.

humble yacht Sep 22, 2019, 1:48 AM

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Even in the future, you can’t cure stupid

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Stupid is as stupid does, Lieutenant Six

warm ridge Sep 22, 2019, 1:50 AM

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tbh I wouldn't even really call it cures, rather "vaccines" that help get rid of the virus. Over-all, it's your immune system doing most of the work. That's another subject for another day though.

humble yacht Sep 22, 2019, 1:52 AM

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Which disease you talking about?

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Well, mental health diseases, looks like yes

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If you’re talking only pathogens then yeah, I’d expect them to be resistant to viral/bacterial/fungal infections

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No scabies for this spartan

subtle depot Sep 22, 2019, 2:10 AM

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I’m sure Spartans could be infected by disease but 26th century medical technology combined with their extreme fitness and boosted immune system makes it unlikely. I wouldn’t say the are completely immune to anything though.

last anchor Sep 22, 2019, 2:14 AM

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More than likely not, but they probably dont go down hard to anything they do catch

subtle depot Sep 22, 2019, 2:55 AM

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Yeah lol. That would be pretty pathetic to see Chief survive a fall from orbit but be out of the count for a week due to a cold

somber wave Sep 22, 2019, 3:09 AM

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There might be some advertising in the UNSC

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You know “ join today!” Or something like that

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Is there?

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Huh

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Oh ya that one the unicorn van

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But I mean that’s kinda expected with military advertising

warm ridge Sep 22, 2019, 3:41 AM

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@versed helm Military advertising exist for the Spartan II's, and IV's already.

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highly doubt they make any sort of "brand deal" type of thing your talking about.

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9 times out of 10 any Spartan II who does retire is never "public famous" because there origins are kept top secret/highly classified and are simply made out to be a normal every day human.

fair hazel Sep 22, 2019, 3:49 AM

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They’re the more , advertised.

strong sage Sep 22, 2019, 8:54 AM

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For the achilles armor isn’t it dangerous to use especially during the created conflict where who knows the ai might defect or something not to mention it is an aggressive ai

carmine sleet Sep 22, 2019, 8:55 AM

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It's not that kind of AI in Achilles

obsidian thistle Sep 22, 2019, 9:07 AM

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Well there is a Grifball league in Halo.

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https://www.halopedia.org/images/f/f1/H5G_Grifball_league.png

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I can presume there is advertisers for that

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Also I wonder if the above means there is legit Spartan Sports teams.

fair hazel Sep 22, 2019, 4:20 PM

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They do broadcast wargame matches

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You know the Platforms for breakout p

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Menura platforms. They are sponsored by manufacturers. They can serve as testing grounds and matches are broadcasted

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For moral and progagandap

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https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/universe/locations/munera-platform

Halo Waypoint

Munera Platform

One of many just like it, Munera Platform A7 plays host to an array of War Games simulations conducted by battle-hardened Spartans.

last anchor Sep 22, 2019, 5:06 PM

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Considering how many companies make MJLONIR and weapons for the UNSC now Im not entirely surprised.
What better way to promote yourself than to show off their skills in combat?
I mean...we watch high level streamers and pro gamers battle it out in the game itself, maybe the UNSCs populous is the same but in reality

warm ridge Sep 22, 2019, 6:48 PM

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@strong sage The AI in the Achilles armor is more so a "dumb AI" rather then a smart AI capable of thinking for itself.

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@last anchor I wouldn't be surprised if in 2550's and up, the entire populace can watch Spartan IV's battle it out for being the "best" Spartan team over-all.

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We kinda do the same thing already when we send reporters in war zones, watching Military combatants battle it out against Terrorist and other forms of threats. Other things to, but yea you get the idea.

last anchor Sep 22, 2019, 6:53 PM

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I mean, Ben Jiraud worked with ONI Section II on propoganda stuff. More than likely there were imbedded reporters in the Covenant War too. At least, at first

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Would certainly be a good recruiting method. Do well enough in the military and you too can be a Spartan

obsidian thistle Sep 22, 2019, 7:51 PM

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Well Mountain Dew has never been mentioned in the lore

humble yacht Sep 22, 2019, 7:54 PM

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Halo has its own popular drink

fair hazel Sep 22, 2019, 7:58 PM

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📎 H2A_-_BLAST.png

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📎 Gauss_ad.png

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a couple

stable schooner Sep 22, 2019, 8:04 PM

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So did that fight in the ODST trailer actually happen? Where is that suppose to be?

obsidian thistle Sep 22, 2019, 8:06 PM

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What trailer we talking?

fair hazel Sep 22, 2019, 8:07 PM

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You knowÉ I want more on the lore of the billboards

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im guessing he means we are ODST

obsidian thistle Sep 22, 2019, 8:07 PM

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The "We Are ODST" one? Then yes

fair hazel Sep 22, 2019, 8:07 PM

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Wish grimbrotherone was here but, it says AMG Dealership

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for the golden warthog

obsidian thistle Sep 22, 2019, 8:07 PM

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Oh?

fair hazel Sep 22, 2019, 8:08 PM

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does that mean dealerships are still around? but with what capacity

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are they like the ones from today? because even IRL things are kinda changing

obsidian thistle Sep 22, 2019, 8:08 PM

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https://www.halopedia.org/images/e/e2/H5G-2558_Hog_ad.png

fair hazel Sep 22, 2019, 8:08 PM

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there's a lot of 'mundane' stuff, but in the future things we think are normal today won't be so later on

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yep

obsidian thistle Sep 22, 2019, 8:09 PM

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Well gotta sell cars somehow

fair hazel Sep 22, 2019, 8:09 PM

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like, ordering cars online. although maybe dealerships are places wher eyou can buy but also test cars

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take the tesla model of selling cars

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it's different

obsidian thistle Sep 22, 2019, 8:12 PM

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Well who knows what it means 500 years from now. But there is deffo a lotta cars still. And a lotta 1500XLD Genet Coupes

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New Mombasa was filled with em

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Even the police used a version of it

fair hazel Sep 22, 2019, 8:14 PM

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i hope we get some recognizable cars in the TV Show

obsidian thistle Sep 22, 2019, 8:16 PM

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Do remember old cars can show up

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https://www.halopedia.org/Pontiac_GTO

Halopedia

Pontiac GTO

The Pontiac GTO (Gran Turismo Omologato) was an American muscle car built and designed by Pontiac in the 20th and 21st centuries.

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So glad Grim gave us a source for it. So I didnt have to kill that.

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And make it a rando car. That in real life was inspired by the GTO.

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But hey its legit a GTO

fair hazel Sep 22, 2019, 8:18 PM

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wonder if it was converted to the fuel source used

obsidian thistle Sep 22, 2019, 8:19 PM

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Well hard to say

fair hazel Sep 22, 2019, 8:30 PM

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the HUCIV is also in spartan strike

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i like new mombassa in spartan stirke

last anchor Sep 22, 2019, 8:34 PM

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I would be surprised if it wasnt converted. That said oil is proibably far less expensive now that there's a bunch of colonies with it on it.

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Not so rare when you can just go to, say, a planet that was 100% swamp at one point and has billions of barrels under its crust
But the UNSC itself doesnt use it so its pointless

fair hazel Sep 22, 2019, 8:37 PM

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um... petrol is an organic-sourced resource

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something must have lived and died a long time ago under certain conditions

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im wondering about electric

last anchor Sep 22, 2019, 8:47 PM

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Thats why Im saying, a planet that was 100% swamp at some point and then underwent the normal petrolium conversion process

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Im pretty sure its happened SOMEWHERE in the Orion Arm

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Albiet I wonder if the Halo Array firing ensured it...

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Or did they break down fully whatever they killed? It disintigrated

fair hazel Sep 22, 2019, 8:50 PM

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Millions of years

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Halo event was only 100k years

warm ridge Sep 22, 2019, 9:11 PM

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Most things that lived on the Earth over 100k years ago can be found in fossilized form, such as the Librarian's dust. I remember reading it somewhere on Halopedia, but can't find where now.

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This is also one of the reasons why Humans thought we evolved from Africa, because that's where our latest decedents came from along with all the other Human species at the time.
Instead, it was actually because the Librarian re-seeded Human life in this exact area on Africa, and we just explored until eventually the massive structure Forerunner structure got buried and completely forgotten about over the next 100k years.

feral perch Sep 22, 2019, 10:06 PM

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Should MJOLNIR return to having iridescence, like in the original CE, Nylund's books, and OG Halo 2?

fair hazel Sep 22, 2019, 10:28 PM

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@meager delta don't spam

meager delta Sep 22, 2019, 10:29 PM

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Sorry i found out how to speak enchantment table

full forge Sep 23, 2019, 12:28 AM

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imagine waiting a hundred thousand years after killing the galaxy, and some little green man blows up your space hula hoop

feral perch Sep 23, 2019, 12:30 AM

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who's waiting?

full forge Sep 23, 2019, 12:32 AM

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Why do Forerunners have such a limited presence in general? There's some AIs, monitors, Librarian AI person thing, Didact dude, warden AI guy, some composed folk, and then just thousands of highly dangerous space magic weapons.

feral perch Sep 23, 2019, 12:33 AM

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Because they accepted exile as atonement for their shortcomings.

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censor ate your words

full forge Sep 23, 2019, 12:36 AM

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Then why do the AIs they did leave behind all have their own agenda?

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Like, Intrepid Eye wants to snap the unworthy out of existence

feral perch Sep 23, 2019, 12:36 AM

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They didn't originally.

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Time, isolation, and corruption all twisted them, causing behaviors that were not intended to occur.

full forge Sep 23, 2019, 12:38 AM

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Guilty Spark wanted to light the rings because of an outbreak contained on his ring

feral perch Sep 23, 2019, 12:38 AM

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Intrepid Eye is terrible. Worst character in the entire franchise, imo.

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Spark was insane.

somber wave Sep 23, 2019, 12:39 AM

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But isn’t it in his programming to light the rings in an outbreak?

full forge Sep 23, 2019, 12:39 AM

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Little Bit is shortsighted and obeys the commands of the first reclaimers only essentially

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Break's over gtg ;/

feral perch Sep 23, 2019, 12:39 AM

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I haven't read Renegades.

full forge Sep 23, 2019, 12:39 AM

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Read it immediately nerd

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Or listen to the exceptional audiobook ;)

feral perch Sep 23, 2019, 12:40 AM

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No, no I don't think I will.

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Monitors are caretakers of Forerunner installations.

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The Ark had one, and Genesis had one.

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nope, various installations had monitors

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Exuberant wasn't there to collect anything, that was just one of her quirks.

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She was there to make sure everything ran smoothly and things were being used properly.

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She explains during the level "Genesis" that most of her privileges had been revoked by the Warden and Cortana, so she didn't have much else to do except her little hobby of collecting items and creatures

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What do you mean?

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They're called Constructors.

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Well, the objective during the last level is to help get Exuberant's privileges back. That's what you spend most of the level doing, and by the end, by punching that uh, thing, that's what you do.

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Yes. That restored her ability to use her administratorship.

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No, but it is a game.

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That wasn't the whole thing, though. There were lots of things Osiris had to do first.

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you could watch it on YouTube. That would be the most accurate reference to what actually happened.

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I know you have to shoot several generators to get inside the pyramid holding Blue Team's cryptum.

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Then you wait around while Exuberant does... Monitor things, and then she opens an elevator for you.

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That brings you to the uphill walk of doom, lol, and then you punch that round thing.

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Then Exuberant frees the Cryptum from Cortana's Guardian, and opens it with her Constructors.

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Personal curiosity I imagine, and maybe whatever is closest to fun that a Monitor can feel.

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Could be. That Knight she was keeping looked pretty depressed to me.

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That was nice.

stable schooner Sep 23, 2019, 1:04 AM

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Elite was pretty chill himself

latent mason Sep 23, 2019, 1:39 AM

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if ai's are just human brains put into a microchip

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does that mean cortana was once a real person

gilded mason Sep 23, 2019, 1:40 AM

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Cortana was mapped from Halsey's brain, yes.

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This is only for Smart AI though, not other types.

latent mason Sep 23, 2019, 1:40 AM

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are ai's actually real though

warm ridge Sep 23, 2019, 1:40 AM

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@full forge The reason why Forerunner AI when encountered is due to rampancy from loneliness. They can over come it (as evident from Spark over coming his loneliness), but over-all most Forerunner AI's were left behind.

gilded mason Sep 23, 2019, 1:41 AM

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are ai's actually real though
Not sure what you mean there.

latent mason Sep 23, 2019, 1:41 AM

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like were all of them once people

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or are half of them just brains and the other half robos

gilded mason Sep 23, 2019, 1:41 AM

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like were all of them once people
Smart AI were mapped from human brains.

latent mason Sep 23, 2019, 1:42 AM

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do their memories get stored away forever somewhere

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makes sense

gilded mason Sep 23, 2019, 1:43 AM

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They don’t even have the memories of those people as far as I can remember
What about the Fero AI?

latent mason Sep 23, 2019, 1:44 AM

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is that mentioned anywhere outside of hunt the truth

gilded mason Sep 23, 2019, 1:44 AM

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She can recount everything that the human version did

latent mason Sep 23, 2019, 1:44 AM

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i havent heard anything about sankar outside of htt

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i guess it would be the case for some

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because otherwise wouldnt cortana just be a carbon copy of halsey

warm ridge Sep 23, 2019, 1:45 AM

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@versed helm Exuberant Witness is an AI who was made to monitor, and maintain the entire Genesis installation along with the Warden Eternal. The Warden Eternal is essentially a "infinite" AI that exist pretty much everywhere. Well, his main core is in a unknown area though.
@feral perch You had to do quite a lot more things then just break a few little things. It basically required reactivation everywhere.

gilded mason Sep 23, 2019, 1:45 AM

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Also, I think she was referenced once more in Fractures.

warm ridge Sep 23, 2019, 1:46 AM

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@feral perch Knights don't really get "depressed", but mimic personality traits and emotions from there past life. That Knight in particular knew it was trapped, and well you get the rest.

feral perch Sep 23, 2019, 1:46 AM

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Breaking stuff is what I remember most keenly about that level.

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And you don't have to correct me on the Knight.

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I was being facetious.

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I did recommend that you go watch it on YouTube, Donk.

latent mason Sep 23, 2019, 1:50 AM

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i saw that spartans can have memories triggered from their lives as kids

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is that stored somewhere

gilded mason Sep 23, 2019, 1:50 AM

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What?

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Yeah

feral perch Sep 23, 2019, 1:50 AM

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that was helpful info though.

latent mason Sep 23, 2019, 1:51 AM

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i will find it in a sec

gaunt oakBOT Sep 23, 2019, 1:52 AM

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Auto unmuted @warm ridge

latent mason Sep 23, 2019, 1:54 AM

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"Naomi asked Black-Box to use data recorded by ONI while connected through her neural implant to trigger some of her childhood memories. Even though she became highly upset upon viewing the recordings of the early days of the Spartan program, this did not change her decision to stay with the UNSC.[25]"

warm ridge Sep 23, 2019, 2:11 AM

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5-6. Oldest was 8 I think.

feral perch Sep 23, 2019, 2:11 AM

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Ghosts of Onyx says youngest was 4.

warm ridge Sep 23, 2019, 2:11 AM

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also it muted me because of this weird bot glitch where it'll mute you if you edit a reply with more then a single ping in it @versed helm

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a lot of the mods+admins+probably a few 343 emoployee's already know about it so don't bother them about it at the moment

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when it does that, it also deletes the comment entirely lol

stable schooner Sep 23, 2019, 2:14 AM

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Yep happened to me in MCC, Friendly reminder to type correctly or pay the Comment Toll

remote spruce Sep 23, 2019, 2:15 AM

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it's a side effect of the bot, i think it considers an edited message as a new message

fair hazel Sep 23, 2019, 2:37 AM

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If you get some weird mute thing that’s caused by the system, and you know it’s not something bad. Just message me so I deal with it

vague scroll Sep 23, 2019, 2:47 AM

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Carter was 11 when he was inducted into Alpha Company. Some Spartans are fundamentally outliers, but even then, we know from real life biology that on average, human memory begins developing around an infant’s 36 months, or at the three year point.

idle ether Sep 23, 2019, 3:41 AM

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Good question... I actually don't even know if the Spartan IIIs were also kidnapped kids or if there was a completely different recruitment process

gilded mason Sep 23, 2019, 3:42 AM

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They were orphans that were asked if they wanted revenge against the aliens and taken to be trained if they said yes. Of course, these are just young kids asked that, not adults.

idle ether Sep 23, 2019, 3:44 AM

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Whoa ok that must have been easier for ONI then

feral perch Sep 23, 2019, 3:54 AM

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4-6

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Yes.

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Spartan-IIs were exclusively and invariably six-year-olds.

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IIIs were 4-6, and occasionally older, like Carter-A259, who was 11 when he was conscripted

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I don’t believe any Spartan-IIIs were teenagers when they were inducted

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I think the indoctrination wouldn’t have worked as well.

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well, the censor took my response.

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Kids undergoing adolescence might cause problems with the physical augmentations, and they may be more rebellious. Why make things harder on yourself?

strong sage Sep 23, 2019, 4:29 AM

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But SIII are alreadycombat ready when they were around 11-12 ish right?

feral perch Sep 23, 2019, 4:41 AM

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Yes

stoic hamlet Sep 23, 2019, 12:11 PM

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Some Alphas would have been 9/10 years old when deployed as well

humble yacht Sep 23, 2019, 12:43 PM

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how would that be when they weren't augmented until around age 12?

stoic hamlet Sep 23, 2019, 2:36 PM

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Assuming Alpha received their augmentations a year prior to deployment, like Gamma (and presumably Beta) the Alpha’s who were 4 years old on induction day would have been 8-9, as only 4 years passed between then and that point, 5 from when Alpha deployed.

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A little under 5 actually

humble yacht Sep 23, 2019, 2:37 PM

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there must not have been that many 4 yo then, since the avg age of augmentees was 12

stoic hamlet Sep 23, 2019, 2:37 PM

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That was for Gamma was it not?

humble yacht Sep 23, 2019, 2:38 PM

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not as far as i can look up

stoic hamlet Sep 23, 2019, 2:38 PM

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I’ll check Ghosts, I have it right here

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The math in general also doesn’t add up

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A 6 year old would be 11 come 2536

humble yacht Sep 23, 2019, 2:39 PM

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halopedia also says that by comparison, S-IIs were augmented at 14 yo

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if they were inducted/abducted at 6 yo, then that means they trained for 8 years before getting Spartan-ized

stoic hamlet Sep 23, 2019, 2:42 PM

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Pg 100 gives the average of 12 for Gamma.

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Alpha’s ages aren’t detailed

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But again, math doesn’t add up, the oldest’d be 12 when they died, probably

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But 10/11 when augmented

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Alpha only trained from December 2531 to October 2536

humble yacht Sep 23, 2019, 2:44 PM

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should let CIA know, then

stoic hamlet Sep 23, 2019, 2:44 PM

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Will do. Should I tag him?

humble yacht Sep 23, 2019, 2:44 PM

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maybe a DM for this sort of thing

stoic hamlet Sep 23, 2019, 2:45 PM

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Right

humble yacht Sep 23, 2019, 2:46 PM

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So Kat and Noble 6 were both in beta co. but Kat doesn't seem to recognize 6. Surprised they didn't have a "hey I remember you from math class" moment

stoic hamlet Sep 23, 2019, 2:48 PM

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I mean there were 418 of them

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I was in an Army Cadet Corp for 5 years and I didn’t recognize a few people because I just never interacted with them aside from very sparingly.

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And there were only 130 or so of us

humble yacht Sep 23, 2019, 2:50 PM

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but B312 and B320 are pretty close in designation

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seems that it's likely they could have been in the same training group

stoic hamlet Sep 23, 2019, 2:50 PM

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That doesn’t mean they were ever near each other or assigned to the same teams

versed helm Sep 23, 2019, 2:51 PM

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Also, isn't it possible that they pulled him from the others? so none of them really met him?

humble yacht Sep 23, 2019, 2:51 PM

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when do they get their designation? upon induction or augmentation?

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I imagine that he would have only become super secretive after getting augmented and displaying particular sets of skills as a spartan in the field

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welp, nvrmnd, halopedia says he was "category 2" during training

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

stoic hamlet Sep 23, 2019, 3:02 PM

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Cat II’s are, IIRC not a term or designation that will ever come up again

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343 doesn’t like it

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Or so Grim said I think

obsidian thistle Sep 23, 2019, 3:03 PM

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I'll fix the HP issue in a second btw. 🙂 Just give me a few minutes. Thanks for finding it.

stoic hamlet Sep 23, 2019, 3:03 PM

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I didn’t know there was one, thank Chimera 🙂

obsidian thistle Sep 23, 2019, 3:05 PM

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Had GoO out anyway so I can change the source to the proper "Chapter" one also. 😉 (I noticed that page no are becoming increasing inaccurate thanks to new editions as of late)

stoic hamlet Sep 23, 2019, 3:06 PM

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Ah yeah I have the OG edition, I can give you the chapter number, if you want

obsidian thistle Sep 23, 2019, 3:06 PM

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It be cool yo. I have it right here 😉

humble yacht Sep 23, 2019, 3:16 PM

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for some of us, the wiki is all we have as a source

obsidian thistle Sep 23, 2019, 3:17 PM

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I am presuming its the "Project CHRYSANTHEMUM" page you are refering to. Aka the Spartan III augs page?

humble yacht Sep 23, 2019, 3:17 PM

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yeah

obsidian thistle Sep 23, 2019, 3:17 PM

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Alright. Time to improve it. Thanks 😄

humble yacht Sep 23, 2019, 3:17 PM

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under the "All Spartan-IIIs" section, it states average age of augmentation was 12

obsidian thistle Sep 23, 2019, 3:19 PM

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Yea, I see the issue. Its going under the presumption that All companies were alike. When in reality stuff would have changed.

humble yacht Sep 23, 2019, 3:19 PM

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given the context, it seems to have been written to show contrast to the augmentation age of the S-IIs

obsidian thistle Sep 23, 2019, 3:19 PM

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Time was not kind to that article. xD It can deffo do an overhaul.

humble yacht Sep 23, 2019, 3:21 PM

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Something that's weird: In Gears 5, when playing as Kat in Versus, one of her voicelines at match start is "Remember Reach"

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Which doesn't make sense, because she died before Reach fell and before "remember Reach" became a saying in the UNSC

obsidian thistle Sep 23, 2019, 3:22 PM

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Well it makes even less sense in the "non-canon" canon for the GearsxHalo story. Where it happens prior to the Covies even finding Reach.

carmine sleet Sep 23, 2019, 3:22 PM

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I think it's just as a cool nod to the phrase, personally

humble yacht Sep 23, 2019, 3:22 PM

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maybe she's yelling that out because she really, really likes the moa burgers on Reach

carmine sleet Sep 23, 2019, 3:23 PM

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I've heard her say "This is for Reach" in Escape a bunch of times

humble yacht Sep 23, 2019, 3:23 PM

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I don't use her in escape since her passive isn't suited for it

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i use Emile in Escape

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but yeah, it's an issue along the same lines

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it's totally isekai with Kat and Emile

obsidian thistle Sep 23, 2019, 3:34 PM

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FYI I did a minor patch. But when I get a lotta time I do indeed plan to overhaul "all" the aug pages on the wiki.

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The average age of 12 is now stated to be linked to Gamma Company.

humble yacht Sep 23, 2019, 3:35 PM

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Uh

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Emile can totally hurt wardens with his knife

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I killed a warden with bleed damage

humble yacht Sep 23, 2019, 4:27 PM

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Maybe they didn’t have the bleed skill card equipped

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It’s possible to beat the warden with no ammo, just really hard

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You’ll want lahni or emile

versed helm Sep 23, 2019, 6:42 PM

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I want a moa burger

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did they bring Moa to other planets? or did they all die out when Reach fell?

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We had more than two planets that weren't glassed by the covenant i'm pretty sure

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Are you meaning militarized colonies? or just ones with humans on it?

stable schooner Sep 23, 2019, 6:55 PM

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I’m pretty sure someone said like 200 of our planets survived. The inner Colonies mostly escaped unscathed

versed helm Sep 23, 2019, 6:55 PM

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Y-yes to which one

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That sounds more correct @stable schooner

gilded mason Sep 23, 2019, 6:56 PM

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200 planets, or colonies?

stable schooner Sep 23, 2019, 6:56 PM

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Colonies period I guess I’m not sure

gilded mason Sep 23, 2019, 6:57 PM

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Since apparently even things like lone space stations counted as colonies in that '700 colonies' figure, from what I remember.

versed helm Sep 23, 2019, 6:58 PM

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Yea, then Reach and Earth weren't the only last planets with humans, We had many others, but Earth and Reach were the most militarized planets and most important for resources for the military.

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😦

humble yacht Sep 23, 2019, 7:01 PM

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When exporting moa to other planets, do you think they exported live animals or just the meat?

gilded mason Sep 23, 2019, 7:02 PM

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I imagine food preservation is a lot better.

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Yeah, that

versed helm Sep 23, 2019, 7:02 PM

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Well, i was menaing how we've transported animals from australia to North america, like Kangaroos, or Asia to North america, like Pandas

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to keep them from going extinct

stable schooner Sep 23, 2019, 7:02 PM

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Yeah but I heard Moas were popular pets

stoic hamlet Sep 23, 2019, 7:02 PM

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IIRC the inner colonies were so unscathed partly because the UNSC had planetary defence down to a science at that point, to the point where they could reliably stop the Covenant for years in some cases, hence he term Inner Colony sieges and the fact the Covenant bypassed a lot of them near the end.

versed helm Sep 23, 2019, 7:05 PM

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Probably just evolved to have it, or maybe ones with horns are male, and ones without are female.

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But, the idea of Moa birds, came from the actual extinct MOA bird that went extinct long ago

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Subspecies of Kig-Yar (Jackals)

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IIRC i think they're called T'vaoans

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Beak?

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Excerpt form Halopedia The morphological variation among the Kig-Yar represents divergent evolution in response to varied environments on prehistoric Eayn.[10] Xenobiologists believe that the asteroid's higher gravity and atmospheric shifts led to the development of the T'voans' avian features.[4] They are much faster and stronger than the more lightly-built common Kig-Yar, known to humans as Jackals (particularly the Ruuhtians and Ibie'shan). They have darker skin and stockier, squared heads with small yellow eyes with slitted pupils, as opposed to the bulbous and pale eyes of the Ruuhtians. They also have more beak-like mouths and bony facial coverings. Skirmishers have true feathers on their head, back, and arms, unlike the Jackals' quills. A Skirmisher's voice is more raspy and guttural—this is because they have an expanding voice chamber on their throat. Skirmishers served as Covenant shock troops, while the more lightly built Jackals saw deployment as dedicated ranger or sniper units. Unlike other Kig-Yar, Skirmishers do not display color changes in their plumage when their moods shift.

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Basically, think of it as how there are different breeds of dogs, They all come from the same Ancestor, but are all different in how they look and perform

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Also, T'voans are apparently more of a hierarch in the Kig-Yar, and are often treated as better than the generic Kig-Yar

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More "royal"

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Skirmishers are used in more close combat, usually appearing in large groups

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High-ranking Skirmishers do wear point defense gauntlets or wrist shields, medium sized ovular shields strapped on to their wrists, to help them deflect bullet and light plasma fire. Apart from combat roles, and like the common Kig-Yar, the T'vaoans could hold commanding roles such as the title of shipmaster in the Covenant military.

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Probably because they're faster, and more mobile with the gauntlets, and they were used more for that "quick, fast, special ops" role anyways.

stoic hamlet Sep 23, 2019, 7:19 PM

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They’re skirmishers, it’s in the name.

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They’re meant to skirmish, not fight in protracted battle

versed helm Sep 23, 2019, 7:20 PM

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That's... a way better, shorter way to say it lol

stoic hamlet Sep 23, 2019, 7:21 PM

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They’re the velites to the regular Jackals Legionnaires.

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The riflemen to the regular jackal line infantry, etc, etc

versed helm Sep 23, 2019, 7:21 PM

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They are the hierarch back on their native planet, though

stable schooner Sep 23, 2019, 7:57 PM

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Dang Canadian that was well said

stoic hamlet Sep 23, 2019, 8:04 PM

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Thanks, but I mean, the name says it all. That combined with the Covenant’s feudalistic/early modern combat doctrine shows where they fit in the order of battle pretty well.

remote spruce Sep 24, 2019, 1:12 AM

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special forces rations according to Glasslands

full forge Sep 24, 2019, 1:14 AM

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Those are rations. They don't eat that crap unless they have to. They start eating real food as soon as they can find some.

remote spruce Sep 24, 2019, 1:14 AM

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rabbitz

full forge Sep 24, 2019, 1:14 AM

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Fish too.

versed helm Sep 24, 2019, 1:40 AM

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I think that the best answer is that Spartans eat the most optimal thing they can in any given circumstances.

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And by optimal, I mean

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Tactically optimal

unique rune Sep 24, 2019, 1:44 AM

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time to eat some trees

versed helm Sep 24, 2019, 1:44 AM

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🌲

humble yacht Sep 24, 2019, 1:49 AM

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They didn’t augment their stomachs tho

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thinkingchief

versed helm Sep 24, 2019, 2:02 AM

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I thought the SIVs actually did have something going on with their tummies

humble yacht Sep 24, 2019, 2:12 AM

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That would be a Lung augment tho

versed helm Sep 24, 2019, 2:25 AM

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If they had a lower metabolism, they would get fat relatively quickly and not lose weight easily, i think you meant a fast metabolism

humble yacht Sep 24, 2019, 2:26 AM

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I remember reading they can extract more nutrition out of food than normal

remote spruce Sep 24, 2019, 2:27 AM

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no moa burgers : (

humble yacht Sep 24, 2019, 2:27 AM

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However that would happen in the intestines

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I don’t see a spartan digesting a tree unless their stomach got modified too

versed helm Sep 24, 2019, 2:27 AM

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Chimera is really thinking about this

remote spruce Sep 24, 2019, 2:31 AM

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do spartans get honey nut cheerios

versed helm Sep 24, 2019, 2:31 AM

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hopefully

unique rune Sep 24, 2019, 2:31 AM

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I swear I remember a joke in New Blood about eating a tree

but my memory is kinda crap so I might just be making things up

versed helm Sep 24, 2019, 2:33 AM

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I have the book, i’ll do a quick read through

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If you have any idea where it was, that would help me find it lol

unique rune Sep 24, 2019, 2:34 AM

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Would've been about where Buck talks about S-IV augmentations
but it's been so long that I don't really remember anymore

full forge Sep 24, 2019, 2:34 AM

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Yes, Emperor.

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I remember that, and I think it's specific to the SIVs.

unique rune Sep 24, 2019, 2:35 AM

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Nutrition-wise, it is also said that a Spartan could eat a raw tree and retain the equivalent of six meals' worth of calories in terms of energy.

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Apparently it's somewhere in chap. 14.

humble yacht Sep 24, 2019, 2:35 AM

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It none have done it, right?

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That’s just theoretical

unique rune Sep 24, 2019, 2:36 AM

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Yeah, no Spartan we know of has been desperate enough to eat a tree to test it.

versed helm Sep 24, 2019, 2:36 AM

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New blood, great book tho

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Buck is just a great character

full forge Sep 24, 2019, 2:37 AM

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how big is the tree?

versed helm Sep 24, 2019, 2:38 AM

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Redwood

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duh

full forge Sep 24, 2019, 2:39 AM

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thats not an answer sir

versed helm Sep 24, 2019, 2:39 AM

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: (

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ding ding ding

full forge Sep 24, 2019, 2:44 AM

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ur mum's a redwood

versed helm Sep 24, 2019, 2:44 AM

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😦

full forge Sep 24, 2019, 2:44 AM

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gotteeem

fair hazel Sep 24, 2019, 2:58 AM

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Halo: Oblivion comes out in not too long, so remmeber ot use #485883236430512168

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to discuss it

spiral jewel Sep 24, 2019, 3:34 PM

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I got to thinking , if, Installations 03 and 09 were capable of ejecting parts of the rings... , What exactly was preventing Chief, Cortana and 343 from ejecting the parts of the ring that were overwhelmed with Flood and Covenant forces into Threshold, aside from the fact that the battle of I04 would have lasted way longer than it needed to be?

obsidian thistle Sep 24, 2019, 3:41 PM

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Flood are resilient if anything.

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Just throwing them into space doesnt mean they are "dead"

humble yacht Sep 24, 2019, 3:43 PM

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Spark also wasn’t the biggest fan of letting his ring he damaged

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He’d rather just fire it

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Besides, it didn’t really seem like they ever had time to make that consideration. Chief would have been the only one capable of administering that command and for all of the few total minutes he was in the control room, he was occupied with other things

obsidian thistle Sep 24, 2019, 3:46 PM

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It may have even been too late.

stoic hamlet Sep 24, 2019, 3:46 PM

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Also he and Cortana probably didn’t know about it to begin with

obsidian thistle Sep 24, 2019, 3:46 PM

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If the "Chief disabling security" theory holds true. Maybe that caused issues also.

humble yacht Sep 24, 2019, 3:46 PM

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With the hours that Cortana spent in the core, I bet she knew about it

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But when is that going to come up while arguing with Spark about firing Halo?

feral perch Sep 24, 2019, 3:47 PM

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Anders figures it out pretty quick.

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Cortana probably would have. But even if Bungie thought of it, I think the technical limitations of the time would have made it infeasible

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From a gameplay perspective at least, if not a cinematic one.

obsidian thistle Sep 24, 2019, 3:48 PM

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Or the security Chief disabled caused issues. As I said. xD

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Its 1 possible vector.

humble yacht Sep 24, 2019, 3:48 PM

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Even if Cortana knew about it, we’ve no evidence that she would have been able to detach part of the ring herself

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Every time we’ve seen that done (2 times), a reclaimer administered the command

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Anders 09, and Chief on 03

obsidian thistle Sep 24, 2019, 3:49 PM

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Ok

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Oh

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Wait

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CEA terminal 4.

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Spark like releases part of the ring.

humble yacht Sep 24, 2019, 3:51 PM

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Ok, so we have evidence of a monitor having the authority to do it as well

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Which I can believe

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But was this before or after he started exhibiting signs of insanity?

obsidian thistle Sep 24, 2019, 3:52 PM

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It was after he woke up being "lonely". So he experimented on contained parts of the ring.

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Well bored

humble yacht Sep 24, 2019, 3:53 PM

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But specifically, where did that scene relate timewise to the scene where his eye flashes red?

obsidian thistle Sep 24, 2019, 3:53 PM

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After

humble yacht Sep 24, 2019, 3:53 PM

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Hm

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Well we can still fall back on Spark’s zeal towards firing the ring as a reason why he would neglect to tell chief about the ability to detach portions of the ring

feral perch Sep 24, 2019, 3:56 PM

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Wouldn’t the extreme cold of space kill or neutralize Flood forms?

humble yacht Sep 24, 2019, 3:56 PM

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Freeze, sure

feral perch Sep 24, 2019, 3:56 PM

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They did have to travel via ships during the Forerunner-Flood war

humble yacht Sep 24, 2019, 3:56 PM

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But I don’t think flood cells require oxygen

feral perch Sep 24, 2019, 3:57 PM

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If there was any gas inside them, the pressure might rupture them.

humble yacht Sep 24, 2019, 3:57 PM

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Yeah but that’s more of a “how else will they travel in space” sort of thing

obsidian thistle Sep 24, 2019, 3:57 PM

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If I recall. Couldnt that this spread out flood cells across the ring? In theory risking the whole ring?

feral perch Sep 24, 2019, 3:57 PM

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What’s inside a pod infector?

humble yacht Sep 24, 2019, 3:57 PM

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I think at late stages of the war, they were also capable of flinging giant flood masses through space to infest other planets

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Or maybe I’m thinking of starship troopers

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Given the floatiness of infection forms, I don’t think they’re filled with just air

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Well maybe they are

feral perch Sep 24, 2019, 4:07 PM

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I said gas

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Not necessarily air

humble yacht Sep 24, 2019, 4:09 PM

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I know

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I was just speculating on what the gas could be

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I doubt it’s helium

feral perch Sep 24, 2019, 4:10 PM

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I would love a skull that makes infection forms float like balloons

humble yacht Sep 24, 2019, 4:20 PM

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IT but instead of red balloons, penny wise has infection forms on strings

limpid meadow Sep 24, 2019, 4:43 PM

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Going back a bit: With out spread out the Flood infection was, would blasting them into space have been a realistic option at that point?

humble yacht Sep 24, 2019, 5:00 PM

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i doubt it

versed helm Sep 24, 2019, 7:00 PM

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Samuel-034

limpid meadow Sep 24, 2019, 7:16 PM

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Maybe Sam

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No wait, The Fall of Reach does definitively say Sam was the strongest

versed helm Sep 24, 2019, 7:18 PM

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Also, he was one of the taller Spartans, and was known to be extremely muscular

limpid meadow Sep 24, 2019, 7:33 PM

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Tall doesn't automatically mean strong.

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Except for Sam, it seems

vague scroll Sep 24, 2019, 9:14 PM

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Sam is canonically remembered as the tallest.

stoic hamlet Sep 24, 2019, 9:24 PM

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How tall was he again?

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Kurt’s actually taller

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But I’m guessing his height has been soft retconned

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Because he was a monster, lol

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Like 8’2” in SPI

abstract zealot Sep 24, 2019, 10:22 PM

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So the new Steward Sentinel resembles a lot like the one unidentified Sentinel within Halo: Legends, Origin I. Anyone else agree?

Also I say it’s unidentified because I haven’t found anything on it.

last anchor Sep 24, 2019, 10:28 PM

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Pretty sure Halopedia considered it unidentified too. Thats just how you tag nameless stuff

unique rune Sep 24, 2019, 10:34 PM

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I guess it's sorta similar.

But it's really more just a smaller Strato-Sentinel.

neat bough Sep 25, 2019, 12:50 AM

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Just wondering about something regarding the Flood. Considering how their food is sentient creatures, does that include sentient animals that lack may not be as intelligent or developed as humans or Sangheili?

gilded mason Sep 25, 2019, 12:52 AM

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Yeah, that seems to be food as well.

strong sage Sep 25, 2019, 2:24 AM

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Isnt Jorge one of the tallest as well

vague scroll Sep 25, 2019, 2:35 AM

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canonically, Sam was the tallest and strongest.

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Jorge is actually kind of average given he and Chief are about 2 inches apart, Kurt towers over those two anyhow.

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As for flood food, the flood will turn any organic material in its vicinity to fulfill its expansion needs, we see evidence of this in both Halo Wars 1 and Halo Wars 2 with the Flood warping the very environment around it.

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ah, correction, @stoic hamlet, Sam was tallest at time of his death it seems but was only 7 ft 4 in, so, that suggests that Kurt may have or did take the spot by 2552. Apparently Spartans are still growing even after augmentations...

feral perch Sep 25, 2019, 3:58 AM

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Kurt’s height might be an interesting parallel. If he was the tallest Spartan, then he shares a novel with the tallest Elite, Xytan Jar ‘Watinree. Kurt was extremely tall despite his humble armor in the later chapters, but Xytan was colossal while presumably wearing glorious battle dress.

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Both died from nuclear explosions.

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But only one died for something meaningful.

stoic hamlet Sep 25, 2019, 4:02 AM

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I wonder if that was intentional on Nylunds part?

feral perch Sep 25, 2019, 4:05 AM

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I doubt it, but it does seem neat

strong sage Sep 25, 2019, 10:34 AM

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So not sure if this is a lore related question. But uhhh how’d you guys feel having a spartan wife/girlfriend and if you got to choose who would it be? 👀

warm ridge Sep 25, 2019, 10:37 AM

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@vague scroll Technically speaking, Spartans will continue growing taller for as long as they live. Wasn't one of there augmentations for the growth hormones meant to enhance there strength, but had the side effect of also making them really tall even for kids?

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@strong sage I'd rather not have my body destroyed unless the S-II had surgery that disabled most of the "enhancements" such as super strength etc. Imagine getting into a argument that turns hostile and fist start flying, yeah I'd rather not end up dead lol.

strong sage Sep 25, 2019, 11:01 AM

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@warm ridge well erm you have a point there fam hahhahahaha xd , just imagine if she founds out u cheatin ;-;

versed helm Sep 25, 2019, 11:05 AM

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not really a relevant topic there.

warm ridge Sep 25, 2019, 11:49 AM

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agreed on that but its kinda lore related so

versed helm Sep 25, 2019, 2:57 PM

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Wait a minute, when did Dark become a Mod??? congrats for whenever it was homie

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But going back to an earlier topic, I'm pretty sure Samuel was the tallest spartan, wasn't he?

vague scroll Sep 25, 2019, 3:06 PM

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He was 7’4” but he died early on when the Spartans were still kids

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Evidently, some still kept growing. Because Kurt topped that at 8’2”.

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Sam was tallest at the time he was alive.

versed helm Sep 25, 2019, 3:07 PM

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Sam would of most likely still kept growing also, and where is it that they keep growing?

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i haven't really heard that, doesn't mean it's not true though

vague scroll Sep 25, 2019, 3:23 PM

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It’s an intuition thing. There’s no lore that says they do but oddities in lore on repeat suggest some things are eventualities. Jorge is 7’4” but no one describes him as tallest or next to tallest.

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John is actually fairly short for a S-II it seems.

silent acorn Sep 25, 2019, 3:26 PM

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Who was the tallest female spartan? Linda?

vague scroll Sep 25, 2019, 3:28 PM

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Not sure it’s ever been said, we don’t know all the heights of the S-IIs as it is. So, it’s possible, and maybe not.

versed helm Sep 25, 2019, 5:08 PM

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i think its kelly

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she was also the tllest

vague scroll Sep 25, 2019, 6:11 PM

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Linda is already taller than Kelly by an inch @versed helm

versed helm Sep 25, 2019, 6:56 PM

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Alice is one of the taller female Spartans

versed helm Sep 25, 2019, 7:15 PM

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Who's your guys's favorite author for the Halo books?

feral perch Sep 25, 2019, 7:40 PM

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Eric Nylund

vivid dust Sep 25, 2019, 8:11 PM

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Out of the six books I've read it's hard to pick

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The Nylund books are the first I've read though, so gonna pick Nylund as well

last anchor Sep 25, 2019, 8:14 PM

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Nylund set the gold standard for Halo novels and had stood the test of time till Denning and some more recent people came along.
All the rest have just kinda been flaffy about (especially Traviss's work, eugh)...but Denning realized what Halo fans want and gave it to them.
Good gritty sci-fi with Spartans, realisitic material and combat, physics, and gratuitous use of fancy military names for equipment

feral perch Sep 25, 2019, 8:30 PM

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Tobias Buckell is pretty good too imo

gilded mason Sep 25, 2019, 8:31 PM

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My vote goes to Staten and Shirley. And Denning, when he writes Covenant.

feral perch Sep 25, 2019, 8:31 PM

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John Shirley wrote good stuff too, but that was a very unique novel.

carmine sleet Sep 25, 2019, 8:32 PM

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I've been really enjoying Kelly's writing in Halo Renegades. Just something about that style really keeps me reading

feral perch Sep 25, 2019, 8:32 PM

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Ballad of Hamish Beamish is top tier though.

obsidian thistle Sep 25, 2019, 10:44 PM

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While I like all the authors and their work. I am particularly fond of Kellys work and how she brought so many obscure stuff in her books

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She even brought back some ILBs stuff.

silent acorn Sep 25, 2019, 10:51 PM

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Halo: Renegades movie when?

deft pulsar Sep 26, 2019, 12:01 AM

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Is there a helmet in halo 4 that looks like a medieval night's helmet

sudden shuttle Sep 26, 2019, 12:05 AM

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I would say the Vektor

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or Vector

deft pulsar Sep 26, 2019, 12:10 AM

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Thank u

sudden shuttle Sep 26, 2019, 12:10 AM

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There is a medieval-ish knight helmet in Halo 5 though.

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Achilles

feral perch Sep 26, 2019, 12:12 AM

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Venator also

deft pulsar Sep 26, 2019, 12:14 AM

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The venator reminds me of oscar mike

sudden shuttle Sep 26, 2019, 12:15 AM

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i'm kinda stupid

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I said Vector

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instead of Venator

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haven't really heard of that helmet in a while so yeah

humble yacht Sep 26, 2019, 12:19 AM

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Achilles design is inspired by helmets that vastly predate medieval times

sudden shuttle Sep 26, 2019, 12:19 AM

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It's an awesome helmet ngl

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Wish I had but at least I got helioskrill

versed helm Sep 26, 2019, 2:00 AM

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look. i think we can all agree that all Mjilonir rigs are epic

gilded mason Sep 26, 2019, 2:00 AM

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🤔

versed helm Sep 26, 2019, 2:03 AM

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really

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the critical thinking one

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REALLY

humble yacht Sep 26, 2019, 2:04 AM

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Likely because there is always at least one dissenter

versed helm Sep 26, 2019, 2:09 AM

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sad life for the dissent initiator

gilded mason Sep 26, 2019, 2:09 AM

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Seeker

fair hazel Sep 26, 2019, 2:12 AM

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huh

feral perch Sep 26, 2019, 3:48 AM

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Jumpmaster

stable schooner Sep 26, 2019, 5:42 AM

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You know Im actually shocked the 50 foot Hunters from the Duel is actually a Canon thing and not just Art style. Fal Chavamee really was a Demigod among Elites.

strong sage Sep 26, 2019, 6:19 AM

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But was there a case or mission where marines encountered those 50 foot hunters during battles back then?

last anchor Sep 26, 2019, 6:23 AM

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Not that we know of, but considering that a Hunter is just a colony of worms and could theoretically grow as big or as small as need be for the situation I wasnt surprised to find out they were canon.

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Something something "Lekgolo supercolony"

carmine sleet Sep 26, 2019, 6:25 AM

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The UNSC hadn't formed yet when Fal Chavamee was alive so marines couldn't have encountered a giant hunter back then

warm ridge Sep 26, 2019, 6:48 AM

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As far as we know Giant hunters continued to exist well into the Human-Covenant war but nothing has been said about them yet beyond that motion picture story which showed them.

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although I'd put my money on them being super rare due to:
A. Massive amounts of nutrients are required to function
B. They'd be better suited for controlling a Scarab, Super Scarab, or some other form of Covenant vehicle. Even split apart in many regular forms rather then one massive one for more effectiveness.

south matrix Sep 26, 2019, 10:45 AM

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Was reading Thel Vadam's backstory. It sometimes kinda bring tears especially it reminds me of some people's journey to find a new home in their hearts

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He was a believer in a convanent faith but now he is a believer in Sangheili faith

deft pulsar Sep 26, 2019, 11:44 AM

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Wtf is the problem with captain Del rio

strong sage Sep 26, 2019, 12:03 PM

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You mean his attitude towards to John? Or uhhhh to the whole spartan II program itself fam?

versed helm Sep 26, 2019, 12:39 PM

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He's probably meaning in Halo 4

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But basically, he thinks the Spartan-IIs are too outdated, and useless compared to the IVs and should be retired.

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@deft pulsar

subtle depot Sep 26, 2019, 12:47 PM

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He also doesn’t trust their judgement due to their mental state. Ex. PTSD, stress and just age related issues

versed helm Sep 26, 2019, 12:49 PM

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Which is honestly rubbish, since they are still better than the IVs

stoic hamlet Sep 26, 2019, 12:54 PM

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Tbf in that one instance with John and Cortana on the bridge......he wasn’t technically wrong

versed helm Sep 26, 2019, 12:54 PM

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about fighting another day?

stoic hamlet Sep 26, 2019, 12:55 PM

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Not just that

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Following protocol about Cortana

versed helm Sep 26, 2019, 12:55 PM

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Ahhh

stoic hamlet Sep 26, 2019, 12:55 PM

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And that John and Cortana had given him no evidence of the librarian at all

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He even says it could be an enemy trick (which he has no reason not to believe, considering that’s what the Didact did to John as well

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Yeah it worked out for John in the end

versed helm Sep 26, 2019, 12:56 PM

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He made a lot of... questionable decisions during Requiem

stoic hamlet Sep 26, 2019, 12:57 PM

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But at the time there was no reason to think it would from Del Rio’s perspective

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The bridge scene was not one of them, IMO

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Remember, we as players know what John saw, but Del Rio doesn’t.

John has no information to give him to prove his case either, just his word. And hers been in Cryo for over 4 years by this point, and had a rampant AI in his head, connected to his neural interface.

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I’d question his judgement as well

vague scroll Sep 26, 2019, 1:01 PM

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The line Lasky gives Chief upon arriving at Earth was “Command didn’t take kindly to leaving you behind on Requiem.” Or something of that note.

Reading into it a little bit, that suggests Del Rio wasn’t fried because he failed to support the Chief, but that he failed to bring the Chief back to begin with. His removal from Infinity doesn’t really come down to the Didact situation.

There’s more than enough pragmatic folk in the UNSC that probably say they would have done what Del Rio did too since they didn’t have all the details and weren’t ready to take a leap of faith

stoic hamlet Sep 26, 2019, 1:02 PM

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That still seems super dumb to remove him from command for that, tbh

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But yeah I’m sure most people in the UNSC would have done the same, I think John might have as well, tbh, if he had been in that situation

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Fred and Kurt definitely would have, I think.

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Maybe Linda as well

vague scroll Sep 26, 2019, 1:04 PM

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Agreed. Chief encountered something fundamentally odd. He’s lucky the dominos fell in his favor.

stoic hamlet Sep 26, 2019, 1:06 PM

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You know, thinking about it

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John staying on Requiem really didn’t do anything tbh

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If he had gone to Earth they probably could have still destroyed the Mantle’s Approach in more or less the same way

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He wouldn’t have even needed to be immune to the composer

versed helm Sep 26, 2019, 1:08 PM

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i mean, he did stupidly fly into reqiuem when cortana told him not to and then it crashed, and then made the weird decision to send lasky and a recon team out because nothing would be able to hurt infinity.

vague scroll Sep 26, 2019, 1:10 PM

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Del Rio couldn’t understand Cortana’s radio transmissions.

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And it’s well established he’s a great logistics officer but not a great combat officer.

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Requiem was not his best day, simply put.

versed helm Sep 26, 2019, 1:12 PM

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Also i feel if it was a IV instead of a Spartan II saying all the information, he would of Complied

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But i just don't understand why he despises the Spartan-IIs, when they still prove to be superior to the IVs

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Ok, i know why he despises them, but it doesn't make sense to me as to why he believes that

vague scroll Sep 26, 2019, 1:16 PM

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I doubt it because given all the factors, a damaged, rampant AI and a supersoldier who spent who knows how long in isolation and talking about living ancient aliens and talk of end of the world nonsense. It doesn’t sound very practical

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And who said he despises the Chief?

versed helm Sep 26, 2019, 1:17 PM

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He doesn't like Spartan IIs

vague scroll Sep 26, 2019, 1:17 PM

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A political statement in HTT doesn’t count.

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Politicians say what is needed to take advantage in the moment when running for public office, Del Rio was taking advantage of the situation. That was the whole point of HTT Season 1, about people taking advantage of the Master Chief for their own purposes.

versed helm Sep 26, 2019, 1:19 PM

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excerpt from Halopedia Del Rio called a press conference at the Congressional Plaza, praising the SPARTAN-IV program and calling for the decommissioning of the remaining Spartan-IIs, as well as the arrest of John-117—calling him a "false Spartan" and a "broken (bad word) of a soldier".

vague scroll Sep 26, 2019, 1:19 PM

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And on that note, an S-IV in Gen 2 is considered equal to a S-II.

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Yes. That was a political statement.

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Like I said, it doesn’t count since he was a politician trying to seize control of the moment.

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Literally a day later, his office rescinds that comment calling Chief a hero and that he was away on vacation.

humble yacht Sep 26, 2019, 1:50 PM

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If Chief had left Requiem with Infinity, it’s unlikely he would have been in a position to assist Infinity in infiltrating the Mantle’s Approach

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So yeah, while Chief failed to keep Didact on Requiem like originally intended (thanks Cortana), that ultimately put him in a position to break into the ship

versed helm Sep 26, 2019, 1:53 PM

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wonder what would have happened had Cortana pulled through on trapping the Didact

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apart from Black Team still being alive probably

humble yacht Sep 26, 2019, 1:56 PM

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If Cortana had managed to stop the cryptum, I imagine Chief would still have needed to find a way to neutralize the didact personally

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Another case of prideful ness

versed helm Sep 26, 2019, 1:59 PM

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was it ever confirmed to be full TK?

humble yacht Sep 26, 2019, 2:00 PM

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It’s common for people who think they’re untouchable to have openings

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Some people say it was constraint fields but there is nothing explicitly saying it was actually that

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They just say it’s constraint fields because the uses match

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You have to think about it from a position where you don’t consider your opponent worth your attention

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Cortana commands them

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Also didact is not dead

vague scroll Sep 26, 2019, 2:13 PM

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just in digital purgatory

humble yacht Sep 26, 2019, 2:14 PM

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Rather than a sign of allegiance, their color seems to be associate with they’re role

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Under the librarian they were guards

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Under didact and Warden/Cortana, they are soldiers

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What about him?

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Warden is a weird case because he seems to have some degree of autonomy in the game

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But the outside lore suggests he’s under Cortana’s control unwillingly

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It’s possible that Cortana tells Warden to do something and he then gets to decide how he does it, so long as it gets done

versed helm Sep 26, 2019, 2:19 PM

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he chose to have cortana ascend

humble yacht Sep 26, 2019, 2:19 PM

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Warden guards the gate to the Domain on Genesis

versed helm Sep 26, 2019, 2:19 PM

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he could have purged her from the domain if he wanted

humble yacht Sep 26, 2019, 2:19 PM

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And no he didn’t really chose

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In Dominion Splinter we see she tricked him and hacked him

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Cortana actually gives him the name Warden Eternal

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Nothing

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He was back at it again later

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His mind is stored somewhere else

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His bodies are controlled remotely

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Getting rid of a few bodies is nothing to him

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Oh those bodies could have been teleported or deconstructed

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Yes

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He has multiple stockpiles

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Possibly

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He appears to be made out of the programmable matter that forerunners used

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But considering he has millions of bodies, he’s probably not worried about running out anytime soon