Really?
#lore-and-universe
feral perch
versed helm
Seemingly, whoever edited the bit directly involving Johnson's escape did not further discuss the implications as relating to the rest of First Strike š¤·
But I thought it was worth relaying to you guys what Halopedia's stance was on that.
last anchor
So much for that. RIP us
feral perch
I heard someone with the exact opposite contention, but I personally believe he was infected
warm ridge
@last anchor Chief never got "sliced into the flood"
last anchor
No, a Flood form assaulted his neck
warm ridge
A spore broke into his combat skin but never actually touched Chief's skin because Cortana eletrocuted it.
versed helm
A tentacle broke the skin and started rummaging around his spine.
last anchor
Yeah
warm ridge
I'm pretty sure that part was actually dismissed as non-lore a pretty long time ago.
versed helm
I remember very explicitly, because I had a similar discussion about The Flood very recently.
last anchor
Cortana literally blew it up by using Chief as a battery
feral perch
It was an infection form.
last anchor
Chief felt it
versed helm
That's incredibly convenient, Person.
feral perch
And it is canon.
versed helm
How any time someone says something that contradicts you you possess knowledge of 343's official stance and statements that nobody else does š¤
warm ridge
It's not even on Halopedia anymore so, that to.
last anchor
Itās in there Iām pretty sure
feral perch
Halopedia is not perfect.
last anchor
Would be shocked if it WASNT
versed helm
Well, yeah. That's the other thing. Halopedia's just a conglomeration of sources assembled by nerds with interpretations. It is an oftentimes faulty source.
feral perch
I can point out an error in it right now. You have to compare with published sources sometimes.
versed helm
I have rectified many inconsistencies myself.
last anchor
All I know is what I read in the books
stable schooner
Man I refuse to even bring up Flood spores anymore. Their a inconsistent macguffen that get brought up and ignored all the time.
feral perch
Actually I should get to fixing that...
versed helm
Well to be fair, they're a relatively reasonable and grounded part of the Flood's spread that is often poorly represented by A) Halo's video game format and B) one bit of relatively old lore.
I think Halo fans in general ought to be less attached to the specific details of older sources.
Even with reprints The Flood can be wildly inconsistent and logically faulty.
feral perch
the nostalgia and warmth is hard to give up, Looters
versed helm
I love it, but you gotta let it go sometimes.
warm ridge
Not really ignored tbh. Just use the latest released versions of the books that have most of everything fixed.
stoic hamlet
How dare you insinuate I need to ditch my old lore!
/s obv
But I really wouldnāt mind reprints of older books to bring them up to speed
versed helm
Did recent version of The Flood remove the spiel about Chief only being able to carry two weapons because the UNSC's guns were just so darn heavy
gilded mason
lol
feral perch
Was that in there??
stable schooner
Dead lol
stoic hamlet
I honestly donāt remember that
versed helm
Honestly, I was once mercilessly mocked over it
stoic hamlet
And I have one of the OG prints
warm ridge
That doesn't even make any sense at all, but the 2010 and on ward editions more then likely have those parts removed lol.
stoic hamlet
I think I might have just repressed it, lol
warm ridge
Which book had the stuff about Chief having a infection form "travel down his spine" ?
feral perch
The Flood.
stoic hamlet
I definitely know that was in the OG print
I just re-read that section a few weeks ago
warm ridge
"On his way to the Engine Room, the Master Chief is nearly infected by the Flood, but Cortana saves him. Once the countdown until detonation has begun, Cortana radios for dropship evacuation, but Covenant aircraft shoot down the transport. "
feral perch
yessss
warm ridge
Most likely got changed, because the part I heard is that an Infection form managed to tear into his suit, but before actually penetrating his skin Cortana electrocuted it.
otherwise that paragraph would've probably included all the extra details.
feral perch
That is what happened
warm ridge
before actually penetrating his skin
in the old one, the Flood spore apparently went all the way.
The whole thing with Johnson being infected didn't happen in Halo: The Flood, it happened in Operation First Strike, so.
and in the new revamped First Strike, it's still there, and 343 still considers it official lore so š¤·
versed helm
Maybe it'd be worth actually getting the quote from a copy of the book
obsidian thistle
"Even as he staggered under the impact, and pawed at the forms slick body, a penetrator punched its way through his neck seal, located his bare skin, and sliced it open.
The Spartan gave a cry of pain, felt the tentacle slide down toward his spine, and knew it was over."
John was lucky as the following happened.
"Though unable to pick up a weapon and kill the infection form directly, Cortana had other resources, and rushed to use them. Careful not to drain too much power, the AI diverted some energy away from the MJOLNIR armor, and made use of it to create an electrical discharge. The infection form started to vibrate as the electricity coursed through it. The Chief jerked as the Flood forms penetrator delivered a shock to his nervous system, and the pod popped, misting the Spartans visor with green blood spray."
Source: Halo: The Flood, Chapter 12
I'll check the 2010 version shortly
gilded mason
2010 seems to have the same passage
feral perch
Just did, itās the- yeah
versed helm
CIA is an actual hero tbh
obsidian thistle
I remembered the chapter and just had to check.
No heroics needed tbh.
And yea the 2010 version is consistant in that area. No cut shower scene there. ;) (fyi thats a reference to the cut scene in the 2010 version of the book in Chapter 3 where John had a shower at Alpha Base)
obsidian thistle
Well unless John showered in his suit
gilded mason
Ah, no way to take it off at the time, then?
versed helm
Presumably he did actually have the shower but there's no real need for it to be brought to our attention
warm ridge
According to Halo lore, Spartans don't even need to shower as the suit basically cleans themselves for them.
feral perch
Does it? Huh.
warm ridge
@feral perch Imagine a Spartan suit like a highly advanced astronaunt suit.
gilded mason
It can be a psychological thing.
I see that as a good reason to show it, if he was able.
warm ridge
only thing it doesn't do is feed you food
versed helm
It's kinda taken for granted the MJOLNIR has basic hygiene systems.
Still, it may not be as thorough as a shower.
warm ridge
yea, it allows you to pee, poo, etc.
cleans your entire body for you. The only point in time you'd really need to actually take the suit off, or well the helmet, is to eat food.
feral perch
How does it deal with number 2 waste?
obsidian thistle
Best not ask
versed helm
I think a potential avenue for explaining that would be that the suit actually plugs into the Spartan to handle waste rather than the Spartan actually having to go to the toilet in the suit.
Taking Naomi's words at face value here.
Maybe it links with implanted valves on the lower abdomen.
Not what you think I'm saying.
obsidian thistle
Tldr while done irl for some stuff for one reason or another. Its not a procedure many like to think about. So I recommend moving on.
feral perch
K
versed helm
Whatever. I can't say I'm exactly glued to the topic either.
warm ridge
can't find it on the Halopedia page about MJOLNIR_Powered_Assault_Armor, might be on another page or no one has really updated it.
It doesn't have anything about how it deals with waste by products on the page either so yea, probably not updated or I'm just looking at the wrong page.
versed helm
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obsidian thistle
Its on the Mark VII page.
feral perch
That whole part of Mjolnir is why I would never want to be a Spartan of any generation post I
versed helm
I think Person was referring to the notion of the MJOLNIR completely cleaning the occupant.
Not the toilet arrangements.
obsidian thistle
Anyway.
I do find it interesting that John was almost infected.
Kinda kills the myth that Spartan-IIs cant be infected. ;)
warm ridge
@versed helm both
versed helm
The interesting part is why he wasn't given the existence of FSC matter within his body.
obsidian thistle
John got lucky
warm ridge
I don't think it's ever stated that Spartan-II's can't be infected, like, anywhere.
versed helm
It's a myth, as CIA said.
warm ridge
she did?
versed helm
Oh, what'd she say?
obsidian thistle
I'd say source, so I am safe with my sources. ;)
fair hazel
I don't think she said..
She was like, one of the first things I did was address Johnson's immunity, or something like that
fair hazel
I know..
fair hazel
July 24th to july 26th i think?
warm ridge
and how long did the Ark engagement last in Halo 3?
fair hazel
21-25
warm ridge
from when Chief dropped down onto the Ark, to blowing up Installation 04B/08.
versed helm
If I could just return to the prior topic for a moment, at the end of the day if it's possible to in any way inconvenience the Flood's infection process through the "scrambling" of one's nervous system, then that raises some pretty serious questions.
warm ridge
I just said "and how long did the Ark engagement last in Halo 3?"
trying to gather up how many days each engagement lasted
versed helm
For one, would the practice of "scrambling" nervous systems - recreating something akin to Johnson's condition - have become standard practice for at the very least ancient humans during the old wars?
warm ridge
alright, so if Halo 4 was 2 days, and H3's ark engagment was 1 day.
versed helm
I mean, any advantage helps right?
warm ridge
That means Chief went 3-4 days without eating any food what so ever.
fair hazel
unless he got some back on infinity?
warm ridge
It would if you had no water actually.
versed helm
I would imagine that MJOLNIR at minimum has hydration systems.
And see, you just switched from discussion food to water.
But staying hydrated is extremely important for soldiers on the battlefield at all times.
warm ridge
Question is where is he getting the water from?
fair hazel
where do you think..
versed helm
So if MJOLNIR didn't provide the user the capacity to intake water when needed, that would represent a logical problem with the relevant lore.
warm ridge
recycled water from pee isn't going to last you, it has diminishing returns all the time.
versed helm
And I'm guessing that it's probably somehow stored in a compressed form and drunk through a straw.
obsidian thistle
Halo 4 is interesting.
The Campaign is around July 21 to July 25 2557.
Spartan Ops is in February 2558.
The Multiplayer happens at the very least after a the missions at Ragnarok in Spartan Ops.
And then there is the Section 3 ARG that used Halo 4 from through those events in it after the Campaign to 2559.
warm ridge
Chief didn't encounter the Infinity until around a day or 2 days of being on Requiem so.
Maybe 3 days, not entirely sure though.
another thing: It's never actually represented that Chief slept at all beyond him being in cryo.
obsidian thistle
Its debated if John met infinity day 1 or 2 after crashing in Requiem. Whatever the case. It wasnt long.
warm ridge
I mean yea, you can definitely last longer then 7 days without sleep 100% and some people (like me) don't have any illusions or anything like that happen to me either so.
Spartan endurance isn't going to make up for that long without sleep, neither will combat stimulants.
Power naps are hardly a thing when your constantly fighting Prometheans that spawn out of nothing, even in the forest.
versed helm
According to the scientific source that is Halo Oblivion - the recently available preview of the first chapter, specifically - you start running into serious problems after 3 days of no sleep.
How serendipitous is this
You sorta have moments where you space out and "microsleep" uncontrollably
And get emotionally unstable
obsidian thistle
Well Infinity Crashed around June 21, 2557 at around 1604 hours.
warm ridge
tbh that's typically with real life to. After 2-3 days without sleep, you start experiencing illusions and such, but with a medically enhanced Spartan that probably has his energy source constantly depleted within just 24 hours, it makes me wonder where Chief actually slept at all and if he did.
versed helm
Gimme a sec Stonewall
obsidian thistle
And John crashed on Requiem on the 21st.
warm ridge
It'd sure put into the conclusion of Del Rio saying "and the illusions of an aging spartan" into effect when you think on the mindset that Chief likely went longer then 3 days without food/sleep.
obsidian thistle
Well it was less than 16 hours ;)
warm ridge
Infinity crashed on Requiem on the 21st?
obsidian thistle
Source: Halo Legendary Crate Data drops. Crate 7
warm ridge
doubtful if that's the case, you can see an entire day pass when playing H4 from when the Forward Unto Dawn's pieces crash landed, to shutting off the Pylons.
also the part with Chief actually being at the Infinity was very short-lived.
versed helm
21st would be Earth calendar.
Days would work differently on Requiem.
And be out of sync.
warm ridge
we don't really know how days last on Requiem, they could last longer or be shorter.
remember, H4 lasted to the 25th.
If the Infinity crashed and left on the 21st/22nd, that'd still put Chief with 3 days without sleep/food
considering he was following the Didact through slipspace to, and obviously got no sleep at Installation 03 science station floating in space.
remote spruce
He did when the Composer was used >: )
warm ridge
beyond being knocked out cause of Cortana crashing the ship into the station of course (and who knows how long he was knocked out for)
versed helm
There were opportunities where he might have had a bit of a nap and grabbed a bite off-screen.
Between Infinity and... Reclaimer, I wanna say?
The jungle mission and the mammoth mission I mean.
humble yacht
he could have gotten a bite between seeing Installation 08 come out and arriving at High Charity
in H3
warm ridge
also yea, that to. It's generally considered he was only knocked out for a few minutes at best though after the Composer effect, otherwise why would the Didact hang around for a few hours when he already had the Composer in hand?
there wouldn't be much point
"ah yea give me a few hours i'ma make some calls to the librarian ai hey honey"
versed helm
My interpretation would be that he was out very briefly.
humble yacht
Didact was stupid for not immediately slipspace jumping after obtaining the composer
feral perch
lol
humble yacht
even assuming Chief was out cold for a moment or 2, the time it took chief to grab a Broadsword and catch up was more than enough for Didact to have already jumped
dat plot armor
warm ridge
He was probably monitoring the situation on Installation 03 with the "composers forge" and seeing if the Monitor was active or not.
After all, in The Next 72 hours, the Monitor didn't seem that surprised he was back at Installation 03.
feral perch
That could have been.
obsidian thistle
I03 had its own scenario during that
humble yacht
i doubt it
obsidian thistle
If the Didact cared he would of composed the humans there.
And be done with them.
warm ridge
I think all the humans were long evacuated from that area once the Didact's ship showed up and long slipspaced out.
remember, the humans on the station were trying to do the exact same thing until the Storm covenant (Jul M'dama's Covenant) caught on and started blowing them up etc.
humble yacht
Storm is a Hesduros Sangheili rank
warm ridge
Actually it typically is referred as the Storm covenant/Jul M'dama's covenant.
humble yacht
Colloquially used to refer to Jul's Covenant but not official designation
obsidian thistle
Storm is a role that typically most Minors in Juls Covenant have.
*Plus its the "name" kinda of a weapon.
feral perch
āStormā Covenant is not an official designation anywhere apparently, but it ought to be
humble yacht
maybe
obsidian thistle
Regardless clarification given. Back to the Covenant.
They Split up.
One half went to I03. The other went to Ivanoff Station.
feral perch
yes
warm ridge
You mean Jul's covenant lol.
humble yacht
yes, at this point, when talking about H4 you can automatically assume "Covenant" means Jul's
warm ridge
a bit confusing tbh
feral perch
it really is
obsidian thistle
Oh that
obsidian thistle
Halopedia names it that cause otherwise it would get confusing. Its technically just called the "Covenant". But I have a ace image for that I am nabbing.
humble yacht
without context, how are we supposed to answer that question?
versed helm
@humble yacht mine or his?
humble yacht
cia didn't ask a question
humble yacht
no need to tag like that
versed helm
Ok then, I'm used to it tbh
feral perch
what shade my dude?
versed helm
I don't know, it just wasn't very... Master chief like, (the one from the release trailer)
humble yacht
Are you talking about the Infinite "Discover Hope" trailer?
versed helm
Thank God, I'm not the only sane person out there
obsidian thistle
Spartans may use whatever armor and Color is best suited to the op. Or for Team usage. Or their own choice. Or for reasons we may not know. That is me looking at this from a lore pov.
humble yacht
If you truly hate that color to the point where it ruins MC for you, then I'd hardly call that an endorsement towards you as an authority on Halo
versed helm
I know, but the darker shade is what most people are used to, and I think that they would have been wiser to use it
It didn't ruin it, trust me, I'm still going to play that game till my console dies, but it just bugged me
feral perch
But it might be just be the fact that itās very new armor
tropic sandal
It's the same argument people had when 343i changed the design. Some like it, some don't. but don't let that one thing tarnish your overall opinion of the game. there's much more to it than that.
versed helm
Yah I know wall, and I never said it did wot
obsidian thistle
Looking into it. The armor color in Discover Hope actually is really close to some og Halo CE/3 concept art colors
versed helm
Yeah it kind of was
obsidian thistle
So its not like the Color has zero grounds in Halos history. :)
humble yacht
not that it needs to
versed helm
I know that, but I still don't see chief using it
And no it doesn't Chimera
I like the idea that the exterior surface of MJOLNIR would be some sort of reflective substance that allows the armour to blend in a little better.
obsidian thistle
I was just looking at a old comparison image. XD This isnt the greenest John has been. OG CE is technically greener.
versed helm
Like, it's definitely green, or whatever, but it also plays tricks on your perception.
gilded mason
I miss Mark V. š„
obsidian thistle
Johns armor had however been getting darker/muted Green as the series went on.
obsidian thistle
If I had to guess bringing back the lighter green is probably one thing 343i is doing to try and get back some of that CE feel they are wanting.
tropic sandal
I'm all for it. CE all the way
versed helm
That's a sentiment I can get behind as well, however
tropic sandal
Lore question; the Hunt the Truth content shows that the wider human population is at least vaguely aware of the events surrounding I04 and Earth. But just how much do they really know? Are there military journalists reporting on this?
feral perch
what about Shi Kai Wangās original design huh? Can we get some love for that?
obsidian thistle
By 2610 they know of the Battle of Installation 04.
feral perch
Maybe it could be the reward for Legendary completion. : p
And can we bring the machete back?
obsidian thistle
If the lore given in Halo: Outpost Disvovery holds true.
tropic sandal
I'd imagine it will.
obsidian thistle
Then by at the very least 2554. The public are given controlled info on the Halo Array
versed helm
Well that escalated quickly
remote spruce
We need the Starship Troopers rifles from the promo images
tropic sandal
But to what extent? Is it conceivable that there are farmers on some remote colony world that aren't at all aware of it? I'd imagine most, if not all human populations are aware of the Covenant threat to some degree, but surely there'd be a few places that don't keep up on everything if they don't perceive a direct threat to themselves
versed helm
Good point...
tropic sandal
Hard to answer, I know lol
obsidian thistle
While true. I get the Feeling that letting the Public know the basics on Forerunners stops the whole suprise of "opps whats this" happening.
tropic sandal
True
obsidian thistle
I mean as Vale said in the first mission of Halo 5. The rate of Forerunner discoverys escalated after the war.
Letting the public not know about them would be impossible
tropic sandal
Do we think that would be more to do with the fact that we are looking harder for them, or more are activating as a result of the happening on Requiem?
obsidian thistle
Plus after 2558. It would be near impossible to ignore them lol.
(Plus cant hide the Voi Portal tbh)
tropic sandal
lol yeah anyone who keeps up with Earth would know
I just keep forgetting that humanity isn't based around or represented entirely by the UNSC. I like to imagine what it'd be like to have limited contact with Earth amidst all this. Might even be peaceful if the Covenant don't find your planet.
warm ridge
Even Miners know about Forerunner artifacts on various glassed worlds.
So it's safe to say most of the human population knows about them by now.
tropic sandal
You'd have to imagine so, yeah.
warm ridge
Keep in mind glassed worlds aren't even owned by ONI nor have anything to deal with them at all.
Even Fireteam Osiris was sketched by walking into the area at Meridian entirely.
and lone behold most of the population there even knew of the Forerunner door that was locked/couldn't figure out how to open it.
Not really all that surprising to consider that most of the human population by know knows of the Forerunners/who they were, soo...
tropic sandal
True, although they were on a planet that was at the center of the conflict, so they can't miss it. There are human worlds that have nothing to do with the remaining Earth government and presumably don't want anything to do with it. They might be out of the loop.
warm ridge
but anything involving the Ancient Humans, Forerunner-Human-Flood wars etc are probably kept secret entirely/unknown to most of the public.
because otherwise the public would consider the Forerunners enemies and to destroy the technology and sights, rather then "using them as scientific research to improve human capabilities"
obsidian thistle
The Public probably have the tldr version. Cutting out most of the stuff that isnt important.
tropic sandal
I imagine the Flood is something they wouldn't want anyone to know about. Seeing it included in the Outpost discovery tour was a surprise.
warm ridge
btw, Most if not all Humans were aware of the Human-Covenant war. Practically all Human colonies were affected by it to.
In fact, Humanity had over 800 colonies before the Human-Covenant war.
afterwards, less then 100.
tropic sandal
Yeah I guess it's hard to imagine there's any that don't know about it.
warm ridge
It's practically taught in schools, you know that right?
Mentions of it exist in Hunt the Truth and other area's.
tropic sandal
Even if you were on the other side of the galaxy, you'd notice if your neighbors started disappearing
warm ridge
there's even humans who side with Elite/Brute groups so, yeah.
versed helm
how is that the most active chat tf
tropic sandal
I do know that, I was just wondering if it was a blanket knowledge for every human in the galaxy, not just those nearer to the conflict
It was more the extent of the knowledge I was wondering about. Surely they know about the war, but to what extent? Like CIA said, tl;dr version most likely.
warm ridge
Even Insurrectionist knew of the Covenant and who they were, sooo..yeah.
in fact a lot of Insurrectionist ended up joining the UNSC to fight the Covenant.
copper wigeon
it was the safest option
obsidian thistle
Get a few lore folks in a room and we can talk for hours. ;) h.
copper wigeon
Bruh the lore is one of the coolest parts of halo, of course this channel is pop'n
tropic sandal
On that note; the Flood. Even if every human colony knew of the war, how many know the Flood are involved? Or know it exists at all?
warm ridge
"Despite the colonization efforts made to resolve the overpopulation issue, Earth's population still remained in the billions. The population of Earth prior to the Battle of Earth was at an approximate 10 billion: the population was said to have been cut in half at the start of the Covenant attack. By the end of the battle, the population count was reduced to 200 million; this was both due to casualties inflicted by the Covenant as well as a massive off-planet evacuation effort. Following the end of the Human-Covenant War, the population of Earth increased dramatically due to the influx of returning evacuees and refugees from other worlds, being again in the billions by the end of the year 2553."
tropic sandal
The lore is by far the best part š
warm ridge
Think about that for a second.
Less then 200 million humans remained on Earth after the end of the Battle of Earth.
obsidian thistle
The numbers are kinda a weird factor. Bungie and 343i always give mixed numbers.
For Earth pop
warm ridge
there hasn't been that many humans on Earth since around AD.1
at least with the best estimations
It started rising rapidly though after 2553, back to the billions from people returning after being evacuated, and refugee's from other glassed planets.
stable schooner
Solid Oof, colonized hundreds of Planets and got Genocided by Aliens, still canāt stop overpopulation on Earth.
tropic sandal
Imagine what art looks like on Earth, pre-war I mean. All we see in the games and mostly in the books are the military sites and everything looks super grim. But imagine what the art scene looked like just before all that went down. Architecture looks super brutalist in the games, but what would other genres look like?
It's far enough in the future that we could imagine a decent progression in styles and forms. I'd love to see an Earth 2500 gallery.
Outside the architecture, the only example of an artistic installation that stands out for me is the statue at the Corbulo Academy. But I'm not sure that counts as it was likely commissioned to be very specifically designed, there's probably not a whole lot of room for freedom of expression in a commissioned military figure.
fair hazel
lots of evacuations
covenant, and forerunnrer stuff is known by civilians
covenant stuff is thought at school too
there was even that band that dressed up covenant like
pretty sure the number of post war colonies is unknown
tropic sandal
And civilian fashion. What does a department store look like in 2500? Imagine the streets filled with people, going about their daily routines, having coffee, walking their dog. Do we still go to the movies? What does theatre look like in 2500? Advancements in technology usually come from science and military origins, but trickle down to civilian tech and general usage over time. Surely the entertainment industry is booming with a population as large as Earth has, with all this future tech.
humble yacht
remember that Reach ad that showed civilian life just before the invasion?
it looked pretty similar to what people do these days, though the fashion was different
tropic sandal
Yeah, like that. I'd love to see it expanded on a bit more
warm ridge
according to Cortana there was over 25 billion casualties, but I highly suspect there was far more then this and Cortana's calculations were probably based off from during a random time in the war.
@tropic sandal tbh if technology goes as it currently is, we should reach Halo level of tech in our life times, but definitely not over 800 worlds colonized in our life times lol.
tropic sandal
lol no not quite. I think the depiction of humanity's reach by 2500 is a bit optimistic. But in terms of tech, we're really not that far off.
warm ridge
what?
we already have prototypes and even certain weapons in the Halo universe, in our life time right now.
You know the warthog chaingun? That exist irl. So do many other things as well, most of it either in the concept or prototype phases.
tropic sandal
Yeah I know, that's what I mean by in terms of tech we're not far off. We're very close to that level of tech now. I meant I think the depiction of humanity having colonized so many worlds by 2500 is a bit unrealistic.
fair hazel
there is a lot of subtle tech that we're nowhere near or is just more advanced
warm ridge
oh I thought you meant by 2500 it was optimistic we'd actually reach that level of tech.
btw humanity having colonized so many worlds by 2500 isn't unrealistic at all.
fair hazel
we also have legacy of onyx and battle born
the halo version of the internet is important
there's like, filming and stuff
warm ridge
anything involving Forerunner/Covenant tech we're no where reaching it at all in our life times.
but even things like MAC guns in the Halo universe are already being developed by USA/Russia lol.
tropic sandal
Short of discovering and implementing some sort of alien tech that can advance our science beyond it's current projected path of development, humanity wouldn't realistically inhabit that many planets within 500 years
fair hazel
railguns are not coil guns
tropic sandal
They are different, but both based in real science.
warm ridge
MAC guns aren't coil guns either?
tropic sandal
I believe MACs are coil guns.
versed helm
They 100% are.
warm ridge
they're magnetic accelerated guns.
versed helm
What do you think a coilgun is?
warm ridge
by that logic we already have coilguns to btw.
tropic sandal
The round is accelerated through a series of increasingly dense electromagnetic rings.
versed helm
Yes, coilguns do exist.
strong sage
Donāt forget that unsc/ueg their about their medical techs , cancer is almost non existant last time i read about their medical tech on pedia xD
versed helm
Because of our limited energy storage and materials sciences we can't exactly make MACs, but the principles of the coilgun can be used to fire projectiles.
I believe railguns are actually a more energy-efficient concept but suffer more degradation because of the mechanisms.
warm ridge
@strong sage Cancer does exist but most types of cancer is typically cured with just a simple vaccine shot in the Halo universe.
versed helm
Oh, and where's the cancer-curing vaccine shot lore from?
warm ridge
Remember, we're kinda already on the edge of doing that to in our life times.
Judging from this, most people don't even actually know what it is in the Halo universe other then it being a type of virus lol.
versed helm
I can't see anything about a vaccine.
strong sage
What about the case of uhh recreating organs? Do unsc have those kind of medical tech as well?
versed helm
Presumably 26th century cancer-treatment is incredibly early detection combined with nano-scale surgery.
Plus, new organs where needed xD
tropic sandal
Of course. They can clone entire humans.
warm ridge
@strong sage yes, the UNSC is capable of recreating brand new organs, even modified ones.
and even making it to where the brain accepts them instead of rejecting.
versed helm
Because the two prior affirmative answers just weren't enough xD
warm ridge
typically to become a Spartan IV most of your organs need to be replaced, or modified depending on whether or not your organs are compatible at all.
strong sage
Woaaaah , just imagine thou if they are capable doing that on the battlefield/wartimes where they can send marines back to battle
versed helm
It'd have other benefits too.
Right now, a lot of infantry soldiers move on from that role because of long-term injuries.
warm ridge
also yea, they can clone entire humans but the cloning technology in the Halo universe isn't exactly..reliable.
versed helm
The UNSC with its fancy cloning could keep personnel active in combat roles for way longer than we can today.
Which would lead to a much higher percentage of heavily experienced NCOs and officers
Resulting, overall, in a better fighting force fullstop.
warm ridge
The problem is again, the cloning tech in the Halo universe isn't exactly reliable at all.
Most clones typically die just after a few weeks at best.
tropic sandal
No, Person, definitely not reliable in that case. The flash cloned children were hastily made and designed to fail
versed helm
Cloned organs are something that we can assume are reliable enough to be utilized though.
And if they fail, just clone another.
tropic sandal
Cloned organs intended for real people are likely much more dependable
strong sage
Well that explains sometimes why unsc can hold their ground sometimes again covies , if their men got injured or something thereās always another organ replacement
tropic sandal
Even Halsey who has all her own resources and arguably one of the smartest brains in our known race, only managed to get 1 or 2 of her cloned brains to survive long enough to use. But the brain is the most complex organ, so a simpler one would be more likely to survive
warm ridge
@tropic sandal Flash cloning is the only mention of cloning that we know of in the Halo universe, and again, even when it's not done incredibly fast, it's still unreliable.
Halsey did just this by creating 20 clones of herself, and only 1 of them survived to have a functioning brain due to certain modifications she did like enhancing the neural physiology
which is also apparently highly illegal regardless to create full clones of any human being in the Halo universe.
tropic sandal
Cloning entire humans is very illegal, for all the reasons you said and more that I doubt we can imagine fully. But does that count too for organs for use in surgery?
last anchor
Well if there flash thereās gotta be normal cloning
Slower
And no, cloning organs is not illegal since itās just the organ
It seems to be common place to make clones of someoneās organ to prevent rejection. Cloned lovers, hearts, lungs and kidneys seem common
Also, cloned skin and probabaly muscle
stoic hamlet
They were able to clone Linda a new set of internal organs
And AFAWK sheās still using said cloned Internal organs
tropic sandal
As a member of a super special military branch. Though undoubtedly expensive, this technology would be usable by the civilian medical field
last anchor
She is. Halsey sewed her back up. Also Kelly had cloned skin grafts too
Donāt forget Cole had a cloned liver
And heart too I think
stoic hamlet
And that was in a half-destroyed UNSC Frigate, not even in a top hospital or medical station. A station like Hopeful could probably make even better cloned organs.
warm ridge
@tropic sandal Cloning organs is not illegal, no. Cloning entire human beings is illegal, yes.
@last anchor Every single Spartan IV practically has cloned organs when you think about it. Cloned modified organs to enhance performance. That includes Buck, Tanaka, Locke, etc.
strong sage
Woah Linda used cloned organs? But does it have any side effects to her thou? Or it still functions normally with problems or complications at all?
warm ridge
the entire ODST squad that became Spartan IV's, and more.
stoic hamlet
No complications that we know of @strong sage
She was revived from the dead. Clinically KIAād
warm ridge
She still had brain activity but her heart stopped basically @stoic hamlet
stoic hamlet
Dante was the same IIRC
strong sage
Ah i see i see thats good then , i though since they were using cloned organs their peformance would be reduced or something
warm ridge
that's usually what KIA means, heart stops.
tropic sandal
She was revived, not resurrected
stoic hamlet
So they could have probably brought him back as well, if hey had had access to a medical bay
last anchor
She was shot then frozen
warm ridge
^
stoic hamlet
But yeah.
warm ridge
then Halsey did some magic job and brought her back with basically little to no medical supplies.
Note: halsey has magic hands
strong sage
Thats some serious medical tech there
stoic hamlet
A lot of what we would consider lethal injuries today are probably not at all considered the case by the UNSC
warm ridge
@strong sage By the 2500's, Cloned organs are basically identical to the original organ, or if modified can even enhance your abilities.
just take a look at every Spartan IV, they contain modified/enhanced organs.
tropic sandal
This is one of the things I look forward to most in our real world future. If it ever gets to that point. Though it'll probably be too expensive for most common people
stoic hamlet
Technology advances faster every day
vague scroll
Maturation of technology leads to decreased requirements of attainment. Prices fall eventually.
stoic hamlet
Just think about how plant based burgers are now a common thing in fast food places
warm ridge
We already have the capability of "cloning" organs btw. @tropic sandal
I don't think any test have been done on Human organs yet, but in animals yes and they have worked.
stoic hamlet
Youād never see that five years ago.
tropic sandal
While that's generally true, EternalCanadian, the medical industry is notorious for keeping advancements at an absurd price.
stoic hamlet
Depends on where you live
tropic sandal
lol also true.
strong sage
Aint that the truth hahahah
warm ridge
@stoic hamlet actually you pay for the same prices we pay in the US.
You pay by getting taxed ridiculously and having around 50%+ of your income sent straight to the Gov. with every pay check.
We pay up front with our own money that we made at our jobs š
versed helm
HAH
stoic hamlet
I mean
versed helm
And here I was thinking it couldn't get any better
stoic hamlet
Iād rather pay through taxes then worry about going bankrupt for a surgery.
tropic sandal
I can already see this topic getting away from us.
warm ridge
agreed
versed helm
Smooth moves
stoic hamlet
My grandmother broke her hip last fall, when they did the surgery they also found early signs of breast cancer, treatment and the like didnāt cost a cent.
Wouldnāt see that in the US.
Anyways
warm ridge
oh no it's starting
tropic sandal
My bad.
versed helm
You're such a meme of a human being, Person, you know that?
warm ridge
What
versed helm
You're a living meme
strong sage
š
vague scroll
Not the time, letās change subjects guys.
warm ridge
This isn't me memeing or chickening out of anything, this is the Halo lore channel lmfao.
what I stated is practically the truth and I'm leaving it at that. Nothing can really be said "bad" about it at all.
versed helm
Weren't thinking about that 45 odd seconds ago were ya, when you had your little jab at public healthcare
Of all things
But sure, take the moral highground
warm ridge
again, you pay the same amount we pay, if not you actually pay more but you can stop now dude.
versed helm
Hey, I don't want to have a political discussion at all
vague scroll
Iām too tired for that topic as much as Iād like to sideline one.
versed helm
But I do find the way you conduct yourself to be, in a word, ridiculous, Person.
warm ridge
I'm just waiting for a mod to come in and say stop
versed helm
Uh-huh.
vague scroll
...now why do that when yāall can do it yourselves?
stoic hamlet
Tide thatās your mistake
humble yacht
If a mod has to tell you, itās already too late for you
stoic hamlet
You know us by now to know we never will š
remote spruce
So like how's the healthcare on Mars
warm ridge
mods always watching
vague scroll
Self restraint, best restraint. Now anyone got a viable topic?
remote spruce
Mars
vague scroll
Itās red
strong sage
Now that kinda reminds mods are like superintendents
warm ridge
How does Moa meet taste?
strong sage
Like virgil
stoic hamlet
Hot take, the US civil warring itself is likely what caused the UN to consolidate power.
Do we know when that occurred, btw?
vague scroll
Nope
versed helm
Where the heck did that come from
tropic sandal
I'm imagining like any other big flightless bird. Tougher than you'd like
vague scroll
We have several dates
remote spruce
Since moa nuggets and moa burgers exist, probably just like chicken
stoic hamlet
I know the UNSC didnāt really become a credible thing until the Interplanetary Wars
strong sage
They about the same size as an ostrich right?
humble yacht
Probably more like ostrich
strong sage
EXACTLY
vague scroll
@stoic hamlet @versed helm not the best topic but it is lore
strong sage
Hahahah
humble yacht
Gamier than chicken
strong sage
I hope we find planet reach soon so i can taste then moa burgers
vague scroll
The date highlights we know of off the top of my head are 2079, 2090, and. 2103
warm ridge
If I'm being honest, the UN taking power is probably more so because of the Interplanetary War then anything @stoic hamlet
tropic sandal
Emu meat is rich, but a pain in the butt to cook right. I'm guessing like that
remote spruce
In the future someone figured out how to make ostrich meet not tough
warm ridge
and I largely consider COD: Infinite Warfare's campaign to take place during the Interplanetary Wars.
humble yacht
Pressure cooking
stoic hamlet
But presumably the US Civil War occurred beforehand.
I mean, it is an interesting topic I think.
Depending on when the UN/UEG really formed, compared to when the US shot itself would probably dictate the majority of the government/how it was run.
warm ridge
or at least at the very start of it.
vague scroll
Headcanon but I donāt like fulfilling COD: IW as a probable IPW concept
It takes place in a day
It really doesnāt work
stoic hamlet
I.E, the EU might have taken the reigns
vague scroll
As an insert
strong sage
Now that u guys mention ueg , do punic class still server on post war?
warm ridge
It actually takes place over the course of many days/weeks, not a single day @vague scroll
vague scroll
@strong sage we donāt know
remote spruce
I want to know what Alaska did
warm ridge
and it's spread across the entire solar system
remote spruce
Like they probably chilled while Florida nuked itself
warm ridge
btw, I didn't say IW is the entire thing
vague scroll
From what i remember, all the missions technically take place in a single day, or something of that like. Correct me if Iām wrong.
warm ridge
I said it takes place during it.
humble yacht
IW is totally separate
warm ridge
ik that, it's just head cannon.
vague scroll
The narrative just doesnāt lend at all to Halo.
Especially since that games prior lore says that Earth lost
warm ridge
Interplanetary wars weren't at all like Halo that we know of today.
vague scroll
In a previous conflict with Mars
versed helm
Yeah, put they also probably weren't like the war from IW.
Because that war is genuinely more ridiculous than anything Halo has ever pulled.
stoic hamlet
The factions also obviously donāt match
vague scroll
They didnāt get FTL like engines till a century later as well.
stoic hamlet
I donāt see and Kosovics, for starters
versed helm
The Halo ones were more like space-Vietnam, with a lot of experimental tech being figured out and applied to doctrine.
remote spruce
But robots are so cool
vague scroll
If any series could mildly compare to the narrative of IPW, itās the Expanse.
stoic hamlet
Even that is iffy. Closer, but iffy
vague scroll
Exactly
stoic hamlet
Itās not 1:1
remote spruce
Just make the CE marine armor canon for the interplanetary wars or something
stoic hamlet
Yeah
versed helm
During the Interplanetary Wars, they didn't have so many polygons to work with
vague scroll
Iād love to make another sad attempt at writing a fanfic on the Interplanetary War but Iāve got college and a Spartan fanfic taking all my current time to try it again
Aye, ba-dum-thush
warm ridge
@vague scroll Earth never lost the Interplanetary wars, wait what?
Earth aka the UN were the victors.
remote spruce
Not only were they low on polygons, half their weapons and vehicles looked like molten metal
vague scroll
That said, equipment in the Halo universe, we actually know a little bit about from around the 22nd and 23rd century due to the equipment used by the Sedran Guard.
Their BDU camo pattern is Pencott Badlands.
Which you can pick up IRL on a 5.11 website among other places.
Which means uniforms werenāt that much different 200 years from now
versed helm
Which to be fair, as actually quite a reasonable extrapolation.
The whole exoskeleton thing is looking pretty iffy.
Any big advances relating to infantry soon will be in terms of battlefield coordination - something akin to the UNSC battlenet - and maybe smart projectiles and other EW measures.
So it looks like good ol fatigues are here to stay.
vague scroll
Which should make cosplayers happy š
tropic sandal
the main reason armor evolves it to combat evolved weaponry. Unless our own weapons change dramatically our armor won't either
warm ridge
@vague scroll BTW, in the Interplanetary wars, the UN did lose battles, and win others, so yeah.
all in all not much is really known about the Interplanetary wars beyond the few battles that have been shown to us so far.
vague scroll
Iām still surprised by how long it took AI and neural implant tech to become widely available and adopted. It took till 2558 for neural chips to be a civilian outpatient procedure meaning anyone could get them.
Maybe a product of war time advancements because technology tends to vastly change during conflicts.
@warm ridge Iām more than aware. Never suggested anything on that matter.
versed helm
Well the details on neural implants are a little iffy. Presumably CNIs and monkey model chips have been around for ages.
And AI is really a philosophical issue too, and one we're completely stumped on. Before we can create sentience, we must first know what sentience is. Which we don't.
vague scroll
True, given the chimpanzee experiments addressed in The Halsey Diary and Fall of Reach adaptations.
Iām still disappointed that we lost out on an interesting concept like the Assembly.
I find halo AI at least a decent workaround for the āwhat is intelligent lifeā question. Since Smart AIs are human brains simulated in a digital environment. There is no reason to believe this is scientifically probable, however, narratively, it gives us a nice stepping stone around the issue of computer sentience by rather than searching for a definition, itās a copy paste job of what we already know as higher thinking machines.
Humans.
versed helm
Well put.
tropic sandal
As much as I like how Halo handles AI, I think it's intended to be one of those things that we don't think too hard about. There's enough info there to be getting on with
versed helm
Honestly, Halo's handling of AI is pretty consistent with the rest of its universe, and most good sci-fi too.
An exploration of interesting futuristic concepts and aesthetics facilitated by an ambiguous leap of logic.
tropic sandal
Ooh I like that
versed helm
The technical logic doesn't even necessarily have to be sound as long as there's internal rules when it comes to the storytelling.
tropic sandal
Exactly. So long as it follows it's own rules, any leap in logic is fine.
last anchor
Did I miss us ripping into IW?
versed helm
Only just.
vague scroll
Thereās a internet rule applied to narrative storytelling that applies to the Rule of Cool and has been popularized by TV Tropes in that, the more cool your concept, the more forgiving an audience gets with its suspension of disbelief.
tropic sandal
I generally subscribe to that logic
If you can back it up with a reasonable explanation though, all the better
last anchor
Pretty much, yeah.
(Glances at chainswords, chainsaw bayonets and the like)
Halo's explanations are pretty solid
Better than some of Star Wars's stuff for example
vague scroll
While it does not work for all concepts, even Halo (the opening scene of Halo 5 is a good example), Rule of Cool can occasionally support or replace the need of internal consistency controls. Though internal consistency is likely the one binding thread that makes any worldbuilding element viable in a narrative.
versed helm
From the perspective of a pedant, though, it can also be wise to remember that the "rule of cool" is often facilitated by in-universe logic which, franky, you're being a bit immature if you don't submit to yet purport to be a fan.
last anchor
5s opening has some fairly solid stuff, most of the issues I have with it involve some of the things we see on the way down. Spartans deploying like that seems entirely within their capabilities
versed helm
That's something I've come to realize myself actually, quite recently.
last anchor
I have a bigger issue with that Elite driving that deactivated Wraith
tropic sandal
It's well within their abilities, but from a strategic perspective it makes little sense, both within real world and in universe rules.
vague scroll
I believe itās a matter of unfamiliarity, Iāve always been quite forgiving of the Halo 5 opening cutscene but Iāve also recognized it as one of the more controversial parts of Spartan depictions. I think because of my background in being an anime fan and enjoying Halo legends animations like the Package, I was better prepared for such depictions going forward.
warm ridge
@last anchor Didn't you know? Wraiths don't have to be activated to be driveable /s
last anchor
Thats not the issue. The fact that he's surrounded by Prometheans and sliding down a slope is the odd thing.
If your getting shot at, why not have the mortar on?
warm ridge
"sliding down a slope is the odd thing"
What do you mean?
tropic sandal
for my part at least, it looked cool. Spartans doing cool athletic Spartan things is cool. It fit that, so I liked it. It fit the need.
warm ridge
I'm pretty sure the fact that the Wraith appeared to be turned off or something was a detail that didn't get looked at all honestly.
vague scroll
Canāt engage a lot of mobile targets amongst friendly forces with a heavy area of effectnweapon
Friendly fire and possibility of danger close doing damage to his own vehicle
last anchor
Also, this might just be me looking at it from a tactical perspective, but four human-sized targets traveling at 60+ miles an hour through a combat as intense as the one we see, mixed with the shielding MJLONIR gives plus Spartans inherent reflexes seems like a viable way ot infiltrate through a horde of foes like that.
Hit hard, hit fast, push through. Osiris never stops, they just kill whats in their way an dkeep going in a fluid motion.
Like how an Astartes is supposed to fight
vague scroll
At the very least, nanolaminiate is pretty resistant to weaponized hard light
last anchor
Theres other oddities in H5s scenes though, like how no weapon appears iwth a scope, not even Lockes BR
warm ridge
^
vague scroll
The cgi cutscenes, many weapons are missing parts here and there
tropic sandal
Maybe Locke is a hip-fire pro?
vague scroll
Or behave oddly
warm ridge
It's happened in past Halo games before to btw, having it happen in H5 isn't anything new.
vague scroll
Fredās DMR shoots full auto and is missing a flash suppressor in the fight inside the Cryptum
At the end of the game
last anchor
I know, just nothign that the Wraith being off is probably one of those more than anything else
vague scroll
Lindaās sniper fires full auto
last anchor
Also the DMR IS select fire.
And This is linda XD
vague scroll
Missing gun sights are a lot less issue when compared to those mistakes
last anchor
The BR and the AR are also both canonically select fire
last anchor
True, but its semi-auto
vague scroll
Also, missing flash suppressor
last anchor
Thats an oversight most likely
vague scroll
A sniper rifle also doesnāt have a bottomless mag
My point exactly
It can be excused
But it was most certainly oversight
warm ridge
None of the weapons are firing "full auto" at that cut scene, what? @vague scroll
I'm literally re-watching it right now, they aren't.
You can even here the shot gun sounds firing if you listen closely, same with sniper rifle rounds. I think what you should be more concerned about is why the AR sounds like a BR.
last anchor
Im pretty sure I saw Freds DMR fire in a three round burst
warm ridge
It doesn't, in fact you don't even really see the DMR firing at all in that scene besides in a very few ones.
AR shoots way more then Fred's DMR ever did from the looks of it.
last anchor
Theres a really clear shot of him firing multiple rounds just before he looks back and almost steps off the platform
We cant see Linda firing Nornfang much though.
vague scroll
I went to go check again, sniper rifle split seconds are hard to tell in retrospect. But the DMR is definitely suspect, if not full auto, that thing is missing a barrel.
last anchor
Its def firing faster than it normally does for sure.
Also in the opening I think Vale has an M6?
warm ridge
vague scroll
@last anchor yeah, she used a M6
warm ridge
When your 1st looking at the Wardens, you can actually hear one of Linda's sniper rifle bullets hit one of the Wardens.
last anchor
Also Buck has a shotgun, and then in gameplay, he's got an MA5D
warm ridge
Fred's DMR missing a barrel is just a fault of the animation team tbh.
http://prntscr.com/p50xmp
also this looks like a single shot to me. You can fire the DMR pretty quickly.
last anchor
Oh and Tanaka has an MA5D which magically turns into a DMR I think
vague scroll
Which was my point, they were oversights. One little detail wound break it
Not sure about DMR to AR
First time Iāve heard of it
last anchor
To be honest, they dont really bother me, same as how the opening doesnt bother me
warm ridge
AR literally sounds like a BR though to be honest. Not sure what happened with the sounds in that cut scene at all lol.
Almost as if they were planning for Chief to actually use a BR instead of an AR.
last anchor
Wouldnt surprise me
stoic hamlet
In the cutscene with Vale she uses an M6 when she boards the phantom but has an SMG when we next see it crash. So used both in the cutscene.
Also, anyone else not a fan of the weapons given to Blue Team?
Nornfang doesnāt look like anything Linda would ever use
And Kelly usually doesnāt use a shotgun
(But I do like the rabbit decal on it)
tropic sandal
The skins do feel a bit too ostentatious for a decidedly serious and intense team.
stoic hamlet
Nornfang in general doesnāt seem like a weapon Linda would ever use, or at least the ammunition.
IIRC she preferred like, Fin-Stabilized High-Velocity rounds or something. Incredible Armour Piercing but little to no excess damage.
Not explosive rounds.
gilded mason
That reminds me, did Linda steal it?
stoic hamlet
Thatās the implication, I think. which again, is kind of like........no
last anchor
Yes. From Misrah Armories competition team. Then modified it even farther and feeds it warcrime ammunition
TBH I THINK the "high explosive" rounds we see in game arent the actual ammo. She probably just uses normal ammo.
Obviously as a REQ it has to do something fancy.
stoic hamlet
I guess.
I still think it looks super odd, and I hope that that look isnāt supposed to be canon
She normally wraps her SRSās barrel in netting right? And swaps the scope for an Oracle, same as a BR55.
stoic hamlet
Ah
last anchor
Or, rather, the Oracle is what was on the original SRS99s during the War
Nornfang, most likely, is just a highly tuned and refined SRS99
Same as how a competeition 1911 is a normal 1911 with extra bits fine-tuned and precise
stoic hamlet
I always assumed the idea was she linked the rifle to her HUD, but used the Oracle (which I assumed was a BR standard scope) when engaging in CQC
last anchor
Nah, the Oracles the SRSs normal scope
For CQC I think she uses her HUD actually, so its the other way around
stoic hamlet
Isnāt it mentioned she swaps it for an Oracle?
last anchor
In Ghosts of Onyx MAYBE
Or...Fall of Reach? Honestly not entirely sure, its been ages
stoic hamlet
Yeah in Ghosts
stoic hamlet
On the flight to Cuba/the Sentinel Ambush
It mentions sheās swapped the scope for an āOracleā
last anchor
Yeah, I think she puts on the Oracle in replacement for something else cause they're getting new weapons
Yeah, shes taking the standard scope off and putting on a more powerful one because she's Linda
stoic hamlet
But I guess itās a different variant or model of the Oracle.
last anchor
And then we see her loading it with match grade ammo later
last anchor
Actually thats the origin of the "winged hourglass" mark isnt it?
last anchor
Misrah I think
stoic hamlet
As far as I know anyways, thatās the origin
Itās a special type of AP round I think
Hand made
last anchor
Not sure how that turned into what we have on the side of the BR now but at least they have it.
Hand packed at least
last anchor
Yeah, I know. Im just saying it looks nothing like a winged hourglass to me
Just a set of wings in a V shape.
Maybe its a new post war emblem
stoic hamlet
Yeah, I getcha
I think they should have made the shape like an hourglass, but kept the wings as the design
last anchor
Agreed. Maybe turn the bottom ones upside down so it kinda looks like an hourglass with the two on top and two on the bottom?
stoic hamlet
Something like that yeah
Just something to make it more distinct as an hourglass
Unless itās like, not actually Mirash, but a cadet company? (Not sure the right term to use here, Iām blanking on it. Like a child corporation)
last anchor
Subsidiary
last anchor
Well theres that one that makes the M90 since all of a sudden the M90 is NOT the main shotgun line, the T45 is
Honestly I'd like to see it on more stuff.
stoic hamlet
See that confuses me
last anchor
If Misrah makes as much stuff for the UNSC as the lore says they do why isnt their logo on EVERYTHING?
Also why isn't AMG Transport Dynamnics on all the hogs too
stoic hamlet
Iām not sure why both are pump-action
last anchor
If I had to guess, they're like the SPAS-12 and you can change as need be
stoic hamlet
Hmm, thatās a good point
last anchor
But obviously thats nixed for balance.
Same as how theres no reason the H5 model has one less shell
last anchor
No way the UNSC would let their weapons go any lower than 12 rounds.
Especially not for Spartan use. Try 24 round drum mag
72-round belt coming out of a backpack
Freaky block-like speed loader like they tested for the M1897
stoic hamlet
Thoughts on why thereās a 32 and 36 round magazine for the MA5D? Just balance you think?
tropic sandal
Look at it in terms of modern military equipment/vehicles. How many tanks or hummers do you see with the manufacturer logo slapped across the side? Even in real world stuff, that sort of embelishment isn't common
last anchor
Tanks, sure, but I've seen logos on Humvees. Then again...(shrug)
tropic sandal
they are there, sure, but not always super obvious.
stoic hamlet
^^
last anchor
I'd, personally, like it. Other than that it has no real place on the Hog
tropic sandal
That's fair
stoic hamlet
On the hood? Maybe on the dash?
last anchor
Then again the side of the Magnum does say 'Misrah M6" so
I was thinking on the side somwehere, like how the Reach one says M/AAV
last anchor
Thats what I always thought. I figured it was some military detachment on Reach
last anchor
Mobile/Anti-Air Vehicle?
tropic sandal
Forward Assault Vehicle?
stoic hamlet
My initial assumption was it was
Mobile Anti-Air(Armour) Vehicle.
FAV is Force Application Vehicle
tropic sandal
Gotcha
stoic hamlet
It would make sense to be Anti-Air on the regular hog, it is using a Vulcan AA gun
Whereas the Gauss hog would be Anti-Armour
versed helm
I read Haruspis' blog about theorizing that Mendicant Bias is a collection of ancient Human minds, pretty interesting stuff
Could you see this possibly being the case?
stoic hamlet
I donāt know/canāt recall enough about that subject to comment
gilded mason
Could you link the theory so we know his reasoning?
tropic sandal
Yes please
last anchor
Haru ususally has good stuff
tropic sandal
I kind of assumed he was, since Spark is an ancient human.
last anchor
And he was made to talk to the Primordial...
gilded mason
Finished reading it. Certainly compelling
That Frankie quote also makes it more viable.
versed helm
And it's also interesting that MB, being a contender-class, is composed of multiple 'minds', and that could be thousands of AH minds
tropic sandal
That's the interesting part to me. The melding of so many minds
last anchor
So is it the same with Offensive perhaps? Forentheos in there somewhere?
versed helm
Would be curious if OB is like that, though OB was constructed specifically to outthink and defeat MB
last anchor
Hes also contender class though which makes me think hes made from a bunch of military minds
tropic sandal
Would make sense
versed helm
Would be ironic for MB to be made up ancient Human minds, to eventually turn on the Forerunners and rain hell on them
tropic sandal
the ultimate long con
versed helm
And it makes sense they used God knows how many Human minds to construct MB to combat and find possible solutions to the Flood
warm ridge
Medicant Bias was created during the Forerunner-Human wars..He wasn't made to combat the Flood what so ever. In fact, the Forerunners practically had little idea as to what the Flood actually were when MB was created @versed helm
warm ridge
"Halsey recognized in the choice of phrase a confluence of morality, mortality, and metaphor. In her journal she recorded her delight and relief upon seeing that Cortana chose a simple human appearance for her avatar. She also mentioned that specimens H-2, H-3, and H-4 would remain in cryogenic suspension, as she had other plans for them which were dependent on evolving technology."
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After Halo 5, a Spartan who was interviewing her brought up the so called clones, which Halsey refused to reveal what happened/where they were. Clearly indicating that ONI took them back in 2552 before Sword base was destroyed.
"She also refused to reveal what had become of the clones of herself she had made, claiming that was still classified even for them. Asked what she thought the best explanation for what had happened was, Halsey recalled Cortana's first words and theorized she was simply doing she had to in order to keep "the game" from ending. "
versed helm
Yes MB was created during the Forerunner-Flood War, and Haruspis brings us that they would want to compose and store ancient Human minds that fought the Flood so they could have a fighting chance and possibly win like they thought AH did
carmine sleet
S-IIs out of armour next to S-IVs out of armour are superior but the armour makes up the difference for the S-IVs
So they're basically the same
humble yacht
If weāre talking from a purely physical standpoint, the augmentations in IIs enhance them more than the IVs
However, the IVs augmentations are much more sophisticated
last anchor
Also IIs have far more training and expereince, since most of them were alive well before most of the IVs were (bar certain exceptions like Buck)
humble yacht
he dead
executed by a rebel leader
some like to blame Mickey because he rushed in to save him, leading the rebel to pull the trigger
they lacked his luck
stoic hamlet
The gel layer cushioned the impact
humble yacht
that was a different kind of "armor lock"
stoic hamlet
Reachās armour ability was an overload of the energy shielding
humble yacht
that lockup was likely to prevent impact from twisting/breaking his limbs
stoic hamlet
But the armour lock seen in H3 (and the Falcon crash of Tip of The Spear) was mainly done by the gel layer cushioning the impact.
last anchor
And the armor securing itself so the limbs dont flail about and the bones and muscle tear.
versed helm
Presumably the gel layer when made dense has some for impact-absorbent property.
Or.... like, grows incredibly dense when it absorbs a great deal of impact?
Translates impact to density because sci-fi metamaterials?
humble yacht
the gel layer certainly is useful for absorbing the force of impact, but the actual armor locking prevented unnatural body contortions if he, say, landed on his arm or something
versed helm
Just a thought.
humble yacht
we already have substances that solidify in response to collisions with alot of kinetic energy
like oobleck
last anchor
Also electrostatically hardening if I remember right.
...
"Nanomachines, son. They harden in response to trauma!"
So thats where the nanites Cortana got to modifiy Chief's suit came from.
versed helm
I mean c'mon
I'm astounded 343 hasn't just come out and drawn the dots here
UNSC ships likely have some form of equipment manufacturing gear
humble yacht
That Chief is the Senator?
versed helm
UNSC ships also carry drones of all kinds
There's no way the FuD went into battle with Chief without carrying spare armour components
Cortana had years
Between all those factors, it seems quite plausible that she could initiate a reconstruction of his armour in cryo
And yet
Nanomachines
humble yacht
yeah, that's what they do
the density increases the hardness of an area on his body
he was just speaking in simple terms
carmine sleet
I mean, surely if the Dawn had spare parts, they'd have fixed up his chest plate before arriving at the Ark
humble yacht
lol
versed helm
Put it this way, Slipstream.
I'd rather find excuses for why they didn't repair his chestplate
Than find excuses for why they didn't back spare MJOLNIR components
One makes less sense than the other
One is pure absurdity from a military standpoint
carmine sleet
Fair enough. Not saying they couldn't have had any, just an odd thing not to fix
humble yacht
well, the nanomachines route (ridiculous as it is) would allow modification of the armor without waking the Chief
in order to mod the armor with spare parts, Cortana would have needed to open the pod
versed helm
Potentially because the reserve set of armour was the Mark VI variant that is a precursor to the GEN 2 armour, though. Like what blue team apparently always had throughout Ghosts of Onyx and such.
So the parts were incompatible and maybe Chief just didn't think his armour needed to be swapped out yet.
versed helm
Pretty sure they use GEN1 components that have been frankenstiened into a GEN 2 framework.
humble yacht
i don't see why they couldn't
versed helm
An SIV can never touch anything that Nylund wrote about is the rule
humble yacht
esp when GEN2 enhances strength to a greater degree
versed helm
Like matter touching antimatter
humble yacht
the only restriction would be the number of GEN1 suits still around
stoic hamlet
I mean I suppose they maybe could, but if the armour is supposed to compensate for their lack of/not as good augmentations, wouldnāt that imply the armour might be harder to use?
Or am I overthinking?
humble yacht
i think you're over thinking
versed helm
I can buy Eternal's logic, though.
humble yacht
If a SIV in GEN2 can match a SII in GEN1, then GEN1 armor would be easier to handle in the sense that it doesn't enhance as much
versed helm
Easier to use doesn't necessarily mean the suit doesn't have more overall capability.
stoic hamlet
Holographic visor?
versed helm
I just assumed all Spartan HUDs were retroactively iron man visors xD
stoic hamlet
You mean a HUD?
versed helm
The HUD was drawn in Escalation I think to look all iron man-y
So yeah, that
Wouldn't surprise me if it always could tbh
stoic hamlet
Oh
versed helm
Y'can't argue with the rule of cool when it comes to an iron man HUD
stoic hamlet
It seems like it would be a Standard feature on most UNSC enclosed helmets, maybe ODST, SPI, Air Assault, etc
versed helm
If there's any benefit over a more static HUD, then I imagine it's going to be pretty widely utilized yeah.
The tech doesn't seem outlandish by UNSC standards.
last anchor
Considering how many VISRs there are for Halo 5...
stoic hamlet
They werenāt outclassed because of the armour
Also that cutscene is BS
Also, itās important to remember that more or less all upgrades after IV are more internal system stuff rather than genuinely better armour.
The Mark V is literally just the Mark IV with an energy shield, for example.
humble yacht
and some aesthetic alterations
stoic hamlet
Not if itās on GEN2 firmware
It seems like the different āMarksā donāt refer to visual or aesthetic changes, but internal system stuff or small improvements.
humble yacht
no of course not
but the visual differences still exist
I'm sure they wouldn't make a whole new Mark just for a helmet redesign
stoic hamlet
Yeah but I donāt think that dictates what Mark of armour it is.
humble yacht
i'm not saying it does
i'm just saying the visual differences are there between marks
versed helm
CEA Mk V is an abomination
stoic hamlet
Like, presumably the armour worn by Owen-B096 in Meridian Divide is a Mark IV seeing as the book takes place in 2549, but it looks like a Mark V.
As does Naomiās Mark VII.
humble yacht
i don't think anyone cares enough about it to fight you
stoic hamlet
The look isnāt how the UNSC decides on variants.
versed helm
Buzzkill
humble yacht
oh boi, we get that, canadian
stoic hamlet
Just saying š
humble yacht
no one is saying that the look is the basis for the new mark designation
versed helm
I do find it really annoying how Reach established this killer new Mark V aesthetic
Clearly intending Mark V (B) to be the pattern of Six's helmet
stoic hamlet
Air Assault isnāt even MJOLNIR.
versed helm
And then CEA and 343's supplemental lore just kinda kicked it out the window and was like "there's literally no rhyme or reason to MJOLNIR anymore lmao"
humble yacht
i think the modular nature of MJOLNIR was not originally intended
versed helm
"In fact there never was"
humble yacht
Halsey be like "Jorge, what you do to my armor?"
Halsey should have patented MJOLNIR and started a private company
then no one could have messed with her design
stoic hamlet
See Reach implied most IV variants were just regular gear retooled to work for MJOLNIR......then that was thrown out.
humble yacht
no, patent would be legal
if she had a patent, it would be illegal for UNSC to mess with the design
stoic hamlet
Well the UNSC is doing some pretty dark stuff with some GEN2 suits
Recluse says hello
humble yacht
is it really the UNSC doing that or is it the private contractors?
what group designed Achilles? UNSC materials group or a subcontractor
it's not like AI creation can only be done by the UNSC
carmine sleet
From what little we do know, it doesn't seem to point towards it being an Innie designed suit
humble yacht
descriptions seem to indicate that it's kind of like a bootleg MJOLNIR, not necessarily an insurrectionist design, but certainly not a licensed design
last anchor
Well other groups do have Spartan like soldiers now
So my guess is itās one of them
Private corps definitely
strong sage
Eh wait really they have spartan as soldiers now? I thought spartans are exclusive for the military only? O.o
feral perch
Which Mjolnir was discovered with no known origins?
last anchor
Buccaneer
last anchor
Or maybe Shinobi
versed helm
Since the IV's, the Spartans have been more used as soldiers since they are really massed produced
III's were only used for suicide missions, and the II's were so rare, and so little of them existed, so they weren't used as extensively.
excerpt from Halopedia about Shinobi @last anchor Discovered aboard a derelict freighter of unknown origin at Lacaille 9352, the armor has no known manufacturer or intended user. The UNSC Navy's Office of Naval Intelligence continues to probe the recovered suits in an attempt to unlock what appears to be several levels of restricted functionality. SHINOBI's core systems remain cryptic "black boxes" to analysts, though ONI was successful in integrating the SHINOBI helmet with standard GEN2 Mjolnir techsuits and Spartan neural interfaces. Though aware of the inherent risks involved, ONI has authorized limited testing of the SHINOBI armor for a select few classified Spartan-IV operatives.
gilded mason
lol
versed helm
lol
full forge
What's with ONI operatives and dying horribly?
stoic hamlet
IIIās were only used for suicide missions
SIGH
versed helm
Am i wrong
stoic hamlet
Yes
gilded mason
I'm reminded of the Achilles armor. Where apparently it can literally make you go insane if you wear it. Like, what in the world.
carmine sleet
Not all IIIs were used in suicide ops, all of Noble, minus Jorge, are great examples of ones that weren't
stoic hamlet
They werenāt suicide ops, ffs
I just had like four separate discussions about this on the reddit
full forge
They were high risk though.
versed helm
If you go on those missions, it's basically suicide, every mission was like D-Day
gilded mason
Rich scowled at this and his forehead wrinkled. "Suicide missions."
"High-value targets," Ackerson countered. "Covenant targets. The battles we have won against this enemy have come at unacceptable losses. With their numbers, their superior technology, we have few options against such a force, save extreme tactics."```It wasnāt that they werenāt expected to come back, just casualties were expected
They always had extraction craft waiting
Itās from Ghosts of Onyx
versed helm
and most of them were dead by the end, unless they were pulled like NOBLE, and other III's, or the like 2-3 that survived
stoic hamlet
Gamma is still alive
versed helm
Ghost of Onyx is basically all about the III's
versed helm
Alpha, and Beta though?
stoic hamlet
323 of Gamma
3 Beta
3 Alpha
stoic hamlet
With 4(?) more unaccounted for
Yeah
Jun, Kevin, Hazel
Tom, Lucy, Owen,
Rosenda-A344 and B-170 we donāt know.
Itās likely Rosenda is alive
full forge
Gamma is still alive because Gamma was still training when Onyx Onyx'd itself up.
stoic hamlet
Everyone I mentioned was pulled except Tom and Lucy
Also Gamma were deployed
Only 15 of them remained on Onyx
7 were KIA
versed helm
^
stoic hamlet
the rest survived
full forge
They were literally in the middle of a training exercise though?
full forge
Teeeechnically still training, but more like practice then.
stoic hamlet
I mean, I guess? Not really
versed helm
was Gammas SPI armor anymore durable than Alphas or Betas?