I wonder how many people would’ve asked for more if Johnson was an available announcer in Halo 5.
#lore-and-universe
agile lotus
obsidian thistle
Would of been awkward unless it was not Johnson really... but Johnsons odd twin xD
agile lotus
I mean, you can simulate a person with enough of their voice lines, can’t you?
stoic hamlet
I also adored how Johnson’s intro in Silent Storm reads like a continuation of Contact Harvest, it flows so well.
fair hazel
I like the early war lets find out what’s going on.
fair hazel
What about early progressive war?
versed helm
How hard would it be to have a game set during either the Interplanetary Wars or the Insurrection
versed helm
I'd be a lot more interested in the Insurrection than the Interplanetary Wars.
The Interplanetary Wars would probably realistically look more like COD than Halo
The Insurrection at least allows you to explore the 26th century UNSC
gilded mason
And it might give a nuanced view of people’s reasons for wanting to defect. I’d hope.
versed helm
Yeah, you'd 100% want to go with a "both sides are valid, ain't war hell" approach.
Ultimately I think the best approach would be to put the blame on both high-echelon UEG militarists and colonial corporatists, and to glorify the plight of the common soldier.
I think the only plausible way you could really do it is to have the game start off with a UNSC vs Innies narrative, and then have the Covenant invade and have the troops on the ground show solidarity and fight shoulder-to-shoulder for humanity.
It'd be the kind of oddball project you'd only see if Halo's EU stuff took off real hard in the wake of the TV show though.
You could channel those "guerrilla war" vibes that the back-of-the-box blurb of Halo CE evoked, as far as campaign gameplay goes.
Sort of Halo meets Far Cry, maybe?
feral perch
Silent Storm showed the worst side of the Innies
I think it’s more likely that a game would take that approach for innies
agile lotus
You know, a Halo game where you play the bad guys.
main rivet
Alternatively, Collateral Damage showed the Innies at their best, and look how they got treated by the UNSC.
versed helm
Anyone heard about the new characters they plan to have in the Halo TV show?
mental nimbus
but you play as the UNSC in every game 🤔
versed helm
I wonder how are we gonna deal with Venezia once this Created garbage is over
feral perch
I don’t think Venezia needs to be dealt with
It’s one of the coolest places in the galaxy currently, and it has the most realistic, sensible inter species habitation
versed helm
I wonder what role Atriox might play in future Halo media
I seriously want to see more of the Banished in future Halo media
versed helm
@feral perch Tbh,i would've set up shop on Venezia
versed helm
I still wonder how many species were really indexed by the Librarian and the Lifeworkers,was it more than 123 and how many of them could've survived into the modern era
Any thoughts?
stoic peak
whats everyone opinion on the news on the Halo Tv series ?
they are intruding three new Spartan II's but i am not sure how that is going to work with the canon, is there enough room in the wahouts for another 3 ? because i am guessing they would of had to be washouts because we already know of the 33 that successfully went through the argumentation's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGuhEpohvkw
obsidian thistle
Ok so I was updating Halopedias timeline. And I found something kinda cool.
main rivet
Pray tell
obsidian thistle
I discovered Mister Donut is canon 😮
This for those unaware.
A character in I Love Bees' 2004 parts went to one.
versed helm
You know there’s this really interesting theory that the Marines in CE died on the lifeboat because Chief accidentally killed them.
Either because his suit weighed the craft down leading to it crashing hard, or the turbulence caused Chief, who weighs something around 600 pounds in his armour, to crash into the Marines inside the lifeboat.
main rivet
I don’t think that’s compatible with the evidence. While the dude should definitely have strapped down, the simpler answer is that they hit at a speed that was too fast to survive unaugmented.
Of course the question is how the lifepod survived, but games gonna game.
versed helm
@versed helm That theory is a literal atrocity of common sense. It seems like it makes sense... until you start thinking about the actual physics of the crash and realize that there's no place a thing that heavy is going to go when the vessel crashes but into the slanted bit of floor just behind the pilot's seat, and then maybe slide along and into the back of the pod as it skids along the ground.
The notion that Chief would be sent airborne by the crash, ricocheting from wall to wall and somehow perfectly managing to kill every occupant of the pod (leaving none just severely injured or alive), despite the fact that the chairs were all angled away from him, is utterly absurd.
carmine sleet
Not to mention the fact that for him to even bounce about, surely the pod would have to be spinning
Although, if the pod was spinning fast enough, it wouldn't matter since it would likely keep him on the ground due to the G-force being so high (Please correctly me if I'm wrong on my science)
versed helm
And let's not forget here that Chief is a super-soldier who's received explicit training in spacecraft related scenarios, and is likely extremely familiar with how to manage the weight of his suit in situations such as this precisely so fellow pod occupants don't come to harm. My personal theory is that even after losing consciousness, the fingers of Chief's MJOLNIR were still locked onto the handholds he'd taken, and he was held upright the whole time.
And there's the Cortana factor, so y'know. 🤷
carmine sleet
So basically the armour locked up to keep him in position
versed helm
More than likely, given what we know.
The other occupants died because the force of the impact snapped their necks. An obstacle at some point in their descent wrenched open the back of the pod and mutilated the ones you see lying on the ground outside (this from The Flood).
versed helm
I still want to see some new alien races because frankly,i'm tired of seeing the ones we already have over and over again
And the Yonhet don't count
gilded mason
I'd like more expansion on the races we already see (besides the Yonhet) before adding more, to be honest.
versed helm
Well, Cortana's shenanigans would be a good basis for it.
The Yonhet still look like cheesy Star Trek aliens
You could have a new race we've never heard of play a large role in Cortana's coalition thing.
Or maybe be resisting her.
What about that unknown race that crash landed on Alpha Halo 40k years ago,we still don't who they were
gilded mason
Or maybe be resisting her.```
That does remind me of all the galaxy-ending threats that have been goin' on in the Orion Arm, with the rest of the galaxy unaware of all the close calls.I wonder if other areas have had close calls that the Orion Arm residents would have no knowledge of.
versed helm
It still makes me wonder who or what lives outside the Orion Arm since most of the Halo series takes place within the Orion Arm,and we're not sure what is going on in the rest of the galaxy
versed helm
What kind of role will Atriox and the Banished play in future Halo media
Because Atriox is one of my favorite characters in recent Halo media
Any thoughts?
gilded mason
I think Atriox will have a heart attack and die.
carmine sleet
Please, he'll trip up over a brick and fall off a building
gilded mason
based
pure pagoda
Hey did you guys know grunts are arguably the best fed in the covenant
They have actual food
fair hazel
What?
pure pagoda
Contact Harvest has actual written stuff about how well grunts are fed back at nipple
versed helm
Also in Contact Harvest - Brutes have an extravagant feast of their native animals
With dipping sauces
pure pagoda
If they did
versed helm
They didn't
pure pagoda
Halo 2?
pure pagoda
Yeah
carmine sleet
There were reports of Brutes eating humans In a short story if I recall
versed helm
Because it's seen as uncivilized
pure pagoda
But Halo 2 gives the vibe they do
gilded mason
Though this was to a heretical prisoner marked for death.
pure pagoda
When trarty lads own guards mention they want to eat the Arbiter
carmine sleet
A single line doesn't mean the Brutes eat Elites on a regular basis
pure pagoda
Well
fair hazel
they didnt even say that they were going to eat the jackals. they said to feed to the jackals since they looked like they were starving.
pure pagoda
Well
versed helm
They'd be killed intantly
pure pagoda
Ok
fair hazel
the way you interpreted the things doesn't mean they're true
pure pagoda
Yep, HiddenExperia
versed helm
You probably misinterpreted something he said
fair hazel
I thought you were going to say something, bad, let's say
versed helm
OR he's even more inept at Halo lore than I consider him to be
fair hazel
but yeah you're probably misinterpreting a lot of stuff
carmine sleet
That's not who I was expecting, that's for sure
pure pagoda
Yeah
gilded mason
Happen to know what video/timestamp you heard it from?
pure pagoda
It was “What do the Covenant Eat?” I forgot the time stamp though
gilded mason
I see a video with that title, but it's from Luke the Notable.
pure pagoda
Ok
versed helm
That guy
versed helm
I mean let's get real for a second
We're talking about fiction
Every interpretation is as true as everybody else's
I mean, I tend to do my absolute best to stick close to the word of as many canonical sources as possible
But even I selectively ignore some things
Like the Outpost Discovery M6C
fair hazel
every interpretation is true? i really wouldnt say that
versed helm
Well, no interpretation is true
versed helm
I'd say that there are even canonical interpretations which are internally opposed
pure pagoda
Is that like the MG6?
versed helm
Oh yeah, at Outpost Discovery they built a model of an M6G and labelled it as a 6C
fair hazel
they had an M6G instead of an M6C I think
pure pagoda
CAN WE GET A CLAP FOR OUTPOST DOSCOVERY?
fair hazel
lets not
versed helm
And half of us are pulling a CIA - "Yeah guys, there's just a variant of M6C that looks exactly like an M6G but isn't an M6G"
"Because that's not at all like saying there's a variant of AR-15 that looks identical to a Kalash"
pure pagoda
Halo: Outpost is now canonically stupid in my book
How do they mix up the names that bad?
fair hazel
For what reasonable reason?
fair hazel
I think it's best to imagine that an M6C model is there rather than an M6G
pure pagoda
It’s an MG6 for gods same
versed helm
I mean, my issues with Outpost Discovery begin with it actually being a part of the canon. The way they shoehorned it into Lone Wolf is almost unforgivable from a storytelling perspective, even if I understand the marketing reason
pure pagoda
It’s arguably the most iconic gun in Halo
versed helm
And it makes me think
Like, up until the recent news that the TV show would be canon
fair hazel
i dont see it being 'unforfgiable'
versed helm
People were saying it wouldn't be
pure pagoda
And it’s stupidly OP in Halo CE
versed helm
And I'm like - oi, if they canonized Outpost effin Discovery
Naturally they're going to canonize a TV show with a high budget
fair hazel
people say things that arent true a lot of the times
pure pagoda
Mk
versed helm
It's like 🙄
pure pagoda
Makes sense
versed helm
This community bewilders me sometimes
fair hazel
I don't really see outpost discovery being in end of lonewolf as bad
pure pagoda
If you were to have an outfit of any kind of character e.g UNSC Army, Unoggoy, what would you have?
versed helm
UNSC Marine. Full battle dress. Reach style.
fair hazel
that's not quite a lore question though.
pure pagoda
Sorry
fair hazel
Unggoy*
pure pagoda
O o p s
carmine sleet
Everything we know is on that page
versed helm
Yeah but i still wonder
fair hazel
We need more halo foods explored i feel
obsidian thistle
Fun fact I just reviewed Halo: Nightfalls second stories. It has the M6C that looks like a M6G also 😉 The more you know hiki
versed helm
How do you know it's an M6C?
Is it the stamping?
Hold up
It wouldn't be the same prop, would it?
Also, by-the-by, I still stand by it being ridiculous to accept that an M6C looks like an M6G.
I mean, they're both chambered in the same ammunition - what actual difference could there be if it's not mild functional divergences and aesthetics?
You would never under any circumstances in modern day find a specific variant of M16A3 that looks identical to an M16A1 but is still an M16A3.
It's nonsensical.
And before you give me that "Halo universe and ours aren't 1:1" nonsense, I'll respond with this. What's the point of the Halo universe and ours not being 1:1 if the only differences in logic in Halo are ones which make the universe as a whole less dignified and more silly?
obsidian thistle
I know its deffo a M6C xD Its deffo the same design of the M6G. (Its just really really really hard to get a good shot of it)
obsidian thistle
Oh hey wouldnt you know. 😉 A new M6C design.
remote spruce
Lore
versed helm
I would not consider this to be wiki worthy.
obsidian thistle
Tbh I get the feeling the M6C isnt the design itself.
versed helm
This is a repeated error, plain and simple.
You'd put it under trivia, if anything.
But I am interested in what you have to say - is the implication that the M6C is, production year?
"Oh, hey, here's an M6 that was produced in the year C."
obsidian thistle
If I am right, the M6C in a sense is very modular. (technically) Where there is key stuff underneath it all that make it a M6C, but its shell may vary.
I mean the Upsized (Halo 2) variant is different in design to the normal one.
versed helm
I mean, what we're talking about here isn't just the external stuff. The shape of the M6C from Halo 2 and this monstrosity are fundamentally different.
Hold up, let me check what the Encyclopedia had to say about M6 variants.
scarlet hinge
yeah I'd say this is just trivia mistake stuff if you're gonna put it on the wiki
not universe shattering stuff
obsidian thistle
The Halo 2 variant is upsized however.
versed helm
Well half of them are "upsized"
Which is really weird given how there were like at most 50-60 MJOLNIR-armoured Spartans throughout the HCW
obsidian thistle
Like this goes into detail on how at the very least there is 2 M6C variants. The upsized version and the normal one. http://halo.bungie.net/projects/odst/guide.aspx
versed helm
It would seem to be referring to up-sized M6 variants versus standard ones.
There's that list at the bottom of the page which is the same as the Encyclopedia one
obsidian thistle
Yea that Encylopedia copied off a couple places. That is one of them
versed helm
But I see what you're saying - maybe the distinctive M6D/M6G/M6H "style" is the upsized version of the M6 series, and what we'd traditionally associate with the M6C is the standard one.
And there'd be up-sized and standard versions of each iteration.
I mean, I see that as a fairly compelling dynamic.
But the evidence doesn't support it real well - I mean, why do so many UNSC troops randomly use M6-series weapons that are up-sized?
Surely Chief would have like, one up-sized pistol that he keeps with him if that were the case.
Unless this is a gameplay =/= canon situation.
But personally, I think the lore seems to have been shifting away from the notion of upsized weapons recently since they've not been mentioned at all since and my personal interpretation is that they're probably not a thing because their basis is a bit silly.
scarlet hinge
do you mean how the weapon model changes size in game?
because that's probably just an animation thing
versed helm
No, there's lore about how most M6 variants we see are upsized by 117% for Spartan usage
scarlet hinge
wtf
versed helm
Basically all except for the M6A and M6E
scarlet hinge
that's dumb
versed helm
It's old Bungie lore, though, so I ignore it.
scarlet hinge
i really hope that's not just there to explain away weapon model stuff in the games
gilded mason
Feels like it is
scarlet hinge
oh is this the same era as the weird MA5C article stuff
versed helm
Yeah.
obsidian thistle
I find its never best to ignore the old Bungie.net articles. 343i are actually surprisingly really good at following it sans the M6C and minor details..
versed helm
I find that's it more frequently better to ignore them than not.
If you're detail-orientated, that is.
obsidian thistle
Being a wiki guy. You know my side. 😄
scarlet hinge
generally if there's an extreme outlier in otherwise consistent data it's better to just label it as an outlier that doesn't work
obsidian thistle
(You may also note how I have not added a lot of my M6C notes lol)
scarlet hinge
rather than try stretch logic to fit everything
feral perch
I wonder if we’ll ever hear from Maria again.
abstract zealot
Hopefully we will.
high gorge
fair hazel
?
abstract zealot
I think he might be referring to Halo’s lore?
hallow willow
Obviously he is referring to palpatine
versed helm
Does the gravemind lie? when using the logic plague
I don't think he lies as much as he uses very manipulative and complex word choice
carmine sleet
The Gravemind will only lie if it will help further its plans. But as we have seen, at least in the games, he hasn't lied to us about anything important
hot stirrup
Hes basically a politician
sonic prawn
they wear plot armor
versed helm
Doesnt the gel layer enhance mobility in the suit?
The augmentations and the gel layer provide maneuverability in the suit
Unaugmented humans cant use it because the gel layer is so sensitive it crushes and bends human bones
I think thats what it is...
unique rune
The armor plates are able to shift and move around, to a degree.
Plus the important points of articulation are protected by the undersuit without heavy outer plating.
It’s more that unaugmented humans don’t have strong enough connective tissues. Their tendons and ligaments end up destroyed by the extreme reactivity and force of MJOLNIR, leading to their muscles essentially being torn off of their bones.
Meanwhile, Spartans have those tissues strengthened by their augmentations so they can handle that strain.
obsidian flax
Idk if this is lore or anything but where do Spartans keep all there ammo in halo reach we see noble team with pouches but what about the rest I always wonder where does Chief keep his ammo ?
carmine sleet
In Halo Legends The Package, we see compartments within the leg armour used by Chief to store ammo for SMGs
mental nimbus
Bungie's art designers just aren't interested in showing you where all their ammo comes from
stoic hamlet
Spartans usually have armoured rucksacks and pouches on their armour in the novels
But it’s not shown in gameplay as it’s not “cool”/it just wasn’t something they wanted to show until Reach.
fleet wraith
@versed helm if you read the books youd see that armored spartans usually have a hard time sitting in most chairs due to their sheer size along with the armor. i wanna say during one instance a chair actually broke during a in-space collision but i could be remembering it wrong
stoic hamlet
They usually refuse outright
storm flume
"Have a seat Master Chief."
"No sir."
last anchor
@fleet wraith That would be Kelly's chair aboard the Beatrice snapping during reentry, yes.
versed helm
gilded mason
...🤔
carmine sleet
Last I checked, that's not how Geas works (Please someone who is an expert on all the Forerunner lore from the Forerunner Trilogy explain it in layman's terms)
versed helm
I swear to god
If another mother hubbard randomly comes along and just goes BLUEH, INSTALLATION 00
I'm going to be so, unbelievably passive aggressive
gilded mason
lol
fair hazel
@obsidian thistle again, check up
storm flume
Isn't the only reason people think geas works like that because of that one cutscene in CE where Guilty Spark seems to identify Chief with the IsoDidact?
obsidian thistle
Which has a case of Spark being semi-rampant at the time so could have gotten mistaken.
storm flume
Yeah, Anniversary terminals makes it evident he's suffering latent rampancy
gilded mason
Have lore you wanted to discuss?
versed helm
That montior on installation 07
gilded mason
would fanfiction count as lore BTW?
I guess it depends. Did you want clarification on lore you wanted to add to a story?
versed helm
Have they ever got a clue to who that montior is
ripe shard
It's a sort of crossover of halo, star wars clone wars, transformers, and mass effect and something els
carmine sleet
@versed helm Their number is most likely 117649
gilded mason
Quite the smorgasbord
versed helm
I know that....I read up everything about this montior I could find
But where is he hiding and what is he doing so well that makes him unable to be found?
gilded mason
Maybe we'll find out in Infinite
carmine sleet
Yeah, that's stuff we just don't know yet and hopefully will find out in Infinite
ripe shard
@versed helm I remember some where that it was mentond I just can't remember where
versed helm
It's the same thing with static carlon
He took the damaged ring to some unknown place and was never seen again
ripe shard
brb got to go
versed helm
It won't be something in infinite but I would like to see where he went
gilded mason
Their number is most likely 117649
Confirmed to be that by the Catalog, yeah.
ripe shard
GTG ( Got To Go ) LOL
versed helm
tbh the monitors who are disappeared along with 117649 are just kinda strange
Like 049 abject testament...he just ceased all contact and was never seen or heard from after that
He could be in infinite since 03 was in h4
storm flume
It probably hasn't been found because it doesn't want to be. It might just have an isolationist or non-interventionist philosophy towards humans, or it knows what happened to 04 and 08 and would prefer to stay away because of that. Or it's just gone and the ring's systems have somehow been governing themselves.
And yeah would be interesting to find out what happened to all the missing monitors but I doubt we'll find out in the games.
gilded mason
the ring's systems have somehow been governing themselves.
Think it was noted that the systems started to go into disrepair thanks to his absence
versed helm
117649 is hiding most likely hiding on purpose
and 03 started to disrepair after whatever happened to 049
wait a minute...didn't static carlon take 03 to get fixed after the didact showed up?
gilded mason
Yeah.
versed helm
Now I'm wondering if static found 049 while doing repairs
gilded mason
Holed up in some unnaturally-formed cave watching reruns of old Forerunner shows.
versed helm
😂
carmine sleet
I hear Fresh-Prince of Maethrillian is a good Forerunner show
versed helm
wasn't the avengers some knockoff of a forerunner superhero movie?
proper aspen
when Cortana started the created, did she take ALL AI? or just the ones that were going rampant?
gilded mason
AI joined freely.
proper aspen
so there are a few that didnt join
gilded mason
Yes, I imagine a fair amount realized that joining a genocidal maniac wouldn't be a good idea
carmine sleet
Indeed, examples being Roland and Black Box, both of whom could've easily joined her but refused the offer
versed helm
Whatever happened to the UEG President?
Is she dead or did she become some sort of puppet for the Created?
Anyone?
remote spruce
unknown status
vague scroll
Her status has not been established anywhere in canon at the current time. @versed helm
remote spruce
Uh sure
sonic prawn
again plot armor
sonic prawn
ehhh its another word i cant think of but its the same idea or something
yes that
im stupid some times
remote spruce
Plot device is the composer
Oh right
My guess is that Chief is becoming more like the Didact
Which again, I doubt would ever be brought up again
carmine sleet
Basically there's something coded into human DNA which allows for us to be immune to the effects of the Composer. In almost everyone, this gene is not evolved enough that it allows us to have that immunity. The Librarian accelerated Chief's evolution of this to the point at which he would be immune
remote spruce
I'm guessing this only works for Spartan IIs
carmine sleet
But like what Jungle said, it's not gonna be brought up again
remote spruce
Yes
carmine sleet
I think anyone could've been made immune, just Chief happened to be the one who was
remote spruce
My guess is her and maybe her caste
carmine sleet
The Librarian implanted it back before the rings were fired
remote spruce
Dialogue suggests that Spartan IIs in general are the closest to the whatever
Finally time to compose the remaining Moas
sonic prawn
promoatheans
remote spruce
But Moa Knights
strong sage
So the new three spartan was it soren , litz and uhhhh i forgot the other one r they II or III?
carmine sleet
You mean Soren-066, Vannak-134, Riz-028 and Kai-125? Apart from Soren, they are brand new characters. They are also all S-IIs
cosmic river
So dose Cortana still have an activation index after halo 3? Or was it left on the halo ring?
humble yacht
No, she used it to activate installation 08
cosmic river
So
She shouldn’t have it after h3?
So she can’t do anything in h6 without an index?
carmine sleet
There would be an Index on the Halo we see in Infinite, whether or not she intends on using the Halo or not is the more important question. Considering that using a Halo would be in direct conflict with her plans, I doubt she'll be using it
cosmic river
The ring has weapons other than the main pulse
Who knows what they could actually be
carmine sleet
I don't think those weapons need the Index to fire
cosmic river
Sure, but just saying that
Could be why she’s got an interest in them?
I’m curious if any index can be used on more than one ring
Can you take the index from alpha ring and put it in delta’s control room?
carmine sleet
I doubt it. The only reason the 04 Index worked in 08 was because 08 was a replacement for 04
modest marsh
Halo isn’t exactly an ideal weapons platform
It lacks the maneuverability of a proper ship
carmine sleet
It would have to be employed more like a battle station, which would require ships to protect it
But you would need a much larger fleet due to the size of a ring
cosmic river
I would assume that the ring would have a substantial weapons system in addition to the sentinels and other equipment
The only reason spark didn’t blast the PoA and covenant ships out of existence is because he detected reclaimers
humble yacht
He didn't need reclaimers until the Flood was released
cosmic river
Watch CEA terminals
He only stopped from blasting on them when he detected reclaimers
fair hazel
The weapons have a range of at least one light year I think
cosmic river
The quarantine zone around the array is one light year, doesn’t mean that is the weapons max range
humble yacht
well I think it depends on what tech you're talking about
personal shields, yes
small drone units, yes
but considered the main weapon of a Guardian Custode is an EMP, I imagine that other Forerunner tech was immune to the Guardian effect
subtle depot
The range is about 25k light years
versed helm
Actually, Warfleet specifically says that a Guardian's attenuation pulse can disable even Forerunner tech
fair hazel
how could they enforce the minimum safe distance of 1 light year if it didnt have such range
also guardian isn't an EMP, attenuation pulse. but yeah not everything forerunner is immune to it
cosmic river
@subtle depot yea, was referring to the installations conventional weapons and not the mega death pulse
subtle depot
Oh okay that clears things up
cosmic river
So what is the official design of the halo ring?
gilded mason
A ring
cosmic river
We’ve seen it depicted about a dozen ways in the games
storm flume
Whatever is depicted in the media you're playing/watching/reading at the time
cosmic river
That’s kinda a lame answer tbh lol
storm flume
You're not gonna get a solid answer, but if you want one, I'd consider the most recent design having more weight.
As of now I suppose that's the Infinite trailer, but that could technically change, so Halo Wars 2 probably?
cosmic river
The h1 design is the most consistent, it appears in h1, h2, h3, and very briefly in reach. CEA is only in CEA, the design in h2a actually changes from the first cinematic to when the next time we see the ring (could be due to someone mistakenly stretching the texture on the outside surface)
Seems like they settled on a h2a/halo wars kinda look though
storm flume
I do prefer the trilogy design, but 343 have made it evident they like theirs so yeah.
When CEA came out I was a little peeved at the redesign, but I think it's gotten better over the titles. Infinite's is pretty satisfying in its own way imo.
cosmic river
Hope it’s more consistent from this point forward
Changing things for the sake of change = no good
storm flume
That's how we got all the new "phenotypes" of all the Covie races
Does anyone actually like any of them I wonder
gilded mason
I like the Ibie'shans.
storm flume
Are they the only ones technically explained in canon so far?
unique rune
Sangheili and Kig-Yar did
Sangheili are just another phenotypic variation
similar to how the Ibie'shan Kig-Yar work
honestly I like 343's Sangheili design
storm flume
Does the Sangheili phenotype have a name, and when was it confirmed to be a phenotype?
gilded mason
Sounds familiar
unique rune
I just call them Hesduros Sangheili
since that's where 'Mdama's Covenant was founded
fair hazel
Not really phenotype
Just different loooks
Arbiter didn’t canonically change
Different looks as in different sangheili look different.
gilded mason
Just different looks```
That's part of what a phenotype is, though?well
in regards to the Arbiter
he didn't canonically change phenotypes
but uh
yeah
phenotype is the observable combination of gene expression and environmental effects
with visual appearance being a pretty big part of it
unique rune
Thel: "Why'd you pick him? He looks nothing like me! We aren't even the same phenotype!"
Some random guy from the UNSC working with the SoS: "All you split-chins look the same to me."
feral perch
Considering how passionate the Halo community has been about voicing their opinions on the various Sangheili redesigns... I highly doubt that would happen.
I think anyone with a pair of eyes would notice the dissimilarity
cerulean sand
Someone hmu with some weird lore
storm flume
Slipspace is pretty weird.
I don't remember exactly how but it can produce causal anomalies
Two of the rings, for example, reported echos of the Array firing before it happened. (I actually don't know if that was related to slipspace or not, but it has something to due with the pulse being superluminal, so I assume)
cerulean sand
Okay that's pretty interesting, thank you for the information🙂
cosmic river
so why are there gas cans on the h4 hog when the hog doesn't run on gas?
cosmic river
why is water in a gas can?
versed helm
I'll tell you a story.
When I was an Army Cadet - an Australian Community Cadet - we used to bring water with us on trips out into the wilderness.
We used to bring it in jerry cans that looked exactly like that.
Jerry cans are multi-purpose instruments.
They're just a convenient shape to move liquid in relative bulk and attach it to things 🤷
stoic hamlet
Did the same here in Canada.
Still have my cadet beret all these years later.
versed helm
Berets are great
Every military uniform should feature a beret
Though our slouch hats are also pretty dope
stoic hamlet
Beret is best though
Really need to reform it one of these days.
But I’ve still got it
versed helm
Badass
I'm not sure exactly what happened to my hat though - I think we might've had to hand it back in when I left the cadets, but my mum also may still have it.
Still, makes you want to see UNSC troops in all this unique headgear
stoic hamlet
We got to keep ours. We got to keep our brass as we paid for it.
IIRC ODST’s have berets.
versed helm
I got sudden vivid memories of nearly gassing myself with brass polisher
Strong stuff
stoic hamlet
Mhm.
versed helm
You can fill it with lemonade
stoic hamlet
They don’t just take fuel
versed helm
You could fill it with napalm
Probably not
But if it's a fluid
You could probably put it in a jerry can
stoic hamlet
Mhm.
Probably shouldn’t
But there’s nothing really stopping you
unique rune
Jerry can filled with gamer girl bathwater here we come
versed helm
Well this project ---> https://www.halopedia.org/HRUNTING/YGGDRASIL_Mark_I_ADS
Seems to embody that idea.
It's not explicitly stated but the UNSC's whole mech project is likely based around applying Mark IV-onwards power solutions to more Mark I-III esque armour designs.
Not including the cyclops as that seems to very much be an age-old bit of UNSC utility.
Oh wait nah, apparently it's directly related to Mark III - the more you know.
fair hazel
why would you think they can only be gas cans?
cosmic river
Hmm
I guess
But I mean
500 years in the future
Still using the same container? 🤔
fair hazel
Seems like a useful type container
versed helm
I mean
They also still use conventional ammunition 500 years in the future
And pants
Some things are ageless
carmine sleet
We've been using a whole load of things for centuries in real life. Knives and forks and the wheel to just name a few. I don't see why Jerry cans existing in the 2500s is an issue
versed helm
Some things don't need to change, something are just reliable with how they preform
carmine sleet
Indeed. Like the wheel
versed helm
Very much so, even like conventional ammunition, it's still effective, why change it?
carmine sleet
If they somehow make something even better at its job, then they'd have a reason to change it
versed helm
The MAC is a good example of using conventional ammunition, but making it super powerful, if that makes sense
carmine sleet
Aye, it does
humble yacht
It's a weapons developer on the planet New Carthage (how apt)
no, of anything they specialize in GEN2 Mjolnir
carmine sleet
Hannibal vehicles are nice indeed. Gotta love rapid fire gauss cannons
fair hazel
Hannibal Weapons Systems is a human corporation which manufactures a lot of military equipment, they manufacture several MJOLNIR variants too. They had a hand in making the Colossus too. Some of their work includes upgrade variants of existing UNSC vehicles such as the scorpion, mantis and wasp. Incorporating gauss technology, ion field missile/bomb technology and laser technology. Scorpion gets the powerful laser with a gauss repeater turret. The gauss repeater turret tech is also featured on the wasp and mantis as their primary armaments. However the wasp one is a charge up fire rather than continuous. Both the mantis and wasp use ion field missiles/bomb, while the wasp's usage of reminiscent of mortar like function.
They also had presence in New Mombassa.
fair hazel
Best? as in?
Warthog that can carry the most people? Warthog with the most lethal and damaging armament?
Warthog that has the most survivability?
Gauss warthogs have the hardest hitting armament.
storm flume
^ Ahh good times
cosmic river
343 logic, change the look of everything but jerry cans, cus they never change
carmine sleet
That's not "343 logic" at all
And then with most of the designs that have changed under 343i, it feels like an evolution of what came before, such as with the Battle Rifle. It's still the same basic shape, just a bit more rugged and features more angles opposed to the more curved classic BR. Not to mention the fact that the square scope is one of my favourite choices they made with the BR85HB SR
The same is also true for something like the Scout helmet. The Halo Reach Scout helmet is very much an outlier due to how different it looks, but going from Halo 3 to Halo 4, the design of the helmet feels like an evolution, it's got changes, sure, but overall, still has the same basic design details
versed helm
My question is
Why does this guy have such hardcore beef with jerry cans
It's ridiculous
carmine sleet
Shrug Maybe they were hurt by a jerry can once?
versed helm
Seemingly, yeah.
I mean basically all UNSC tech has some enhancement in the form of futuristic holographic tech or advanced nanocomposite alloys or batteries.
But you could probably make somewhat less functional, much more frail versions of a lot of their weaponry in real life.
You could maybe if you really wanted to use some kind of machine-learning software to get a Scorpion to function
Though it wouldn't be as reliable
I think pelicans are probably at the point where it starts getting out of our league because they have gravitic lift-assist.
And UNSC body armour is also something that's a bit iffy - not only does it seem very lightweight for its protective capacity, it also seemingly has some external absorption layer to contain projectile fragmentation and spalling.
Which is something you'd almost certainly need if you're just running around with bare plating for armour. It's one of the many reasons plate carrying vests are used in real life.
So that's likely just a materials science thing.
Plus the intelligent nanofibers in clothing, which we have accounts of being both protective (in Sadie's Story the Cop hands Sadie a "fiber armoured" jacket) and having specific responses to stimuli (TTR gear for training).
There ya go.
Gradually.
The last big thing I can think of are the UNSC's electronic targeting systems.
As I understand it, something similar (utilizing lasers) has been attempted in real life, by the Land Warrior program.
Apparently it actually overall reduced a soldier's accuracy compared to conventional sights - to me, it seems like both a familiarity and a user-interface thing.
The UNSC's targeting gear, on the other hand, is absolutely next level.
cosmic river
Tbh, jerry cans don’t matter any more I guess? They were taken out in h2a anyways
versed helm
Full-usage HUDS in sunglasses
versed helm
They seem to display a targeting reticle by algorithmically calculating a precise impact point from a variety of inputs (weapon-based sensors, their own analysis of the user's FOV+barrel alignment, even battlenet synchronization).
And then they display that targeting information in a concise, simple-to-use interface which simulates the positive aspects of conventional sights while adding an additional layer of foolproof precision and speed.
UNSC soldiers would be able to achieve point-shooting accuracy by firing from the hip.
cosmic river
UNSC targeting is so advanced that the stalwart frigate has iron sights attached to the hull of the ship
versed helm
Just in case the ballistics computer fails I guess xD
cosmic river
Dude flying it can just line up the sights out the front view screen lol
versed helm
I mean, if they were close enough, maybe.
Most times space engagements happen at ranges well beyond those trackable with the naked eye
According to the books at least. That notion is not often represented in-game but it varyingly has been explained by the fanbase as shock tactics and automatic magnification algorithms.
cosmic river
I always found it odd how in the games the ships are just sitting next to each other going pew pew
versed helm
Well that's all of sci-fi for you
cosmic river
Books are 100% different
versed helm
It's difficult to portray realistic space combat in a way that's visually exciting
cosmic river
True
stoic hamlet
The expanse is the only one that manages it and that’s only for a super niche audience
Joe the casual tv/movie watcher/game player doesn’t find that stuff appealing
storm flume
It would be so awesome to actually see the Keyes maneuver in some media
Other than books where you have to visualize for yourself
Even though that was still a great experience imo
It's disheartening that I expect it to be adapted poorly though, just like every other time things get adapted from one medium to another.
storm flume
I recommend reading Fall of Reach
But yeah
If you really want to know right now
And yeah there's that page from Halsey's journal
fleet wraith
I wanna see cole blast off to ftl in orbit to run away with his insurrectionist booty but we dont all get what we want
rigid ferry
Anyone sad for my man keyes?
carmine sleet
It's been almost 20 years since he was killed, gotta move on
gilded mason
Ye, I miss Miranda.
versed helm
Somehow I'm not surprised
gilded mason
Miranda is a Keyes. 🙃
versed helm
Ay, just cuz you like one character, doesn't mean you have to dislike another.
I really liked the vibes they were going for with Miranda. Selfless, good-hearted and utterly fearless, despite living in her father's shadow.
She's an archetypal hero and I love archetypal heroes.
cosmic river
Yeah, but what about the jerry cans?
Jkjk lol
@versed helm miranda doesn’t really do much, we don’t know a lot about her
She’s not in the books
Keyes has a whole back story and stuff
Miranda just kinda dies pointlessly
Crashes her pelican into the citadel but doesn’t sack up and shoot Johnson and off her self
(If you’re thinking I’m being dark, that is what she was going to do)
Would be neat to have a book version of halo 2
Kinda like how halo: the flood is done
That way we can get the story of the in amber clad while Chief is off t-bagging regret
Like there is a whole unknown story there
versed helm
What are you talking about
cosmic river
How the ship got to the library, how it got infected by the flood, how the flamer ODST ended up surviving on high charity after the ship crashed into it
@versed helm ?
versed helm
I meant, what was donk talking about
His statement was nonsense
I've got no clue what he means
But
What's the context
Whose sacrifice
What's an example of this thing you don't like
stoic hamlet
Her entire death is dumb
Most of H3 is dumb plot wise
Like I would not at all mind if they redid it to make it less stupid
versed helm
Halo 3's storyline is easily the worst of any Halo game
But the emotional resonance is strong
So it's fondly remembered
stoic hamlet
Mhm
gilded mason
Indeed
versed helm
In comparison, Halo 5 is loads better constructed as a story - characters have clear motivations and generally act in accordance with them and the sequence of events is fairly logical, but the emotions that it conjures aren't euphoric so it's terrible.
In most people's estimation anyway.
I guess Halo 3's sometimes senseless and a little frenzied "and then, and then" pace fits well as the story of a final battle.
But I guarantee you that any perceived plot deficiency about Halo 5 you come at me with, I can refute with lore knowledge and reason.
Halo 3, however, frequently lacks consistency. Most of the villain's motivations just stem from them being insane, and stuff just sorta rolls on.
mighty jasper
Honest opinion (Apologies for change of topic):I'd love to see Team Jeresy (AKA The vigilante group consisting of SPARTAN 1.1's in ilovebees) make a comeback. Seriously, the whole Created threat would be perfect for them.
versed helm
That's been clear for a while
stoic hamlet
Hahaha
Sorry, that was rude
But that got a chuckle out of me
What are you confused about my friend?
Ah, they’re from ILoveBees
Children of ORION soldiers
What do you mean?
ORION’s post augmentation can have kids
Far as we know every Spartan can
A Spartan II has
III’s probably can
They aren’t
Not officially
It’s just an easy way to describe them
versed helm
Yeah, they're generally a bit physically exceptional
versed helm
Cuz the ORION program was more about genetic manipulation than biological restructuring
So the traits imparted to the ORION candidates can be hereditary, apparently
stoic hamlet
It can’t for the other generations though, except maybe certain stuff from the III’s
versed helm
It's an ILoveBees thing
stoic hamlet
It’s dubious canon now IIRC
versed helm
And ILB is territory only true madmen like CIA visit
versed helm
Oh, at one of the Outpost Discovery things (I think) Frankie made a really confusing statement suggesting that elements of ILB might be canon
Like
Something about the butterfly effect and changes being true or something
It was a mess
stoic hamlet
As long as it isn’t class II I don’t care lol
Most of ILB’s should just be forgotten about, at least IMO.
And I usually never say that about anything
mighty jasper
Personally, I like the idea of Team Jersey and the 1.1's. I think they're interesting and it'd be cool to see a Halo game or some piece of Halo content where we take a good look at the civilians who were in the midst of The Battle Of Earth.
stoic hamlet
Sadie’s Story
mighty jasper
I believe so yeah
stoic hamlet
Sunrise over New Mombasa
versed helm
That's the one
mighty jasper
Poor Kebab man ;-;
stoic hamlet
He’s just selling kebabs in the afterlife
mighty jasper
343i should just make the Halo TV series all about Kebab Man and his journey throughout the universe, giving kebabs to all.
Didact wakes up and starts stirring up trouble?
Kebab fixes it
Cortana goes crazy and tries to take over the world?
Kebab and a group of elite ONI hackers create a cyber kebab, calming her down.
versed helm
"Take two kebabs"
mighty jasper
Someone send this idea to 343i
cosmic river
What about team jerry can?
versed helm
Chrissakes
cosmic river
Lol
fair hazel
well i just watched a rematch of a video on unsc infinity vs resurgent class star destroyer. while the original video was super biased and not good, the second video did give the correct outcome of the battle... but really went against evidence based logic and a lot of stuff so it's like... even the rematch video isn't great..
versed helm
Well I mean
How do you even compare Star Wars ships and Halo ships
A UNSC ship will just MAC blast you from hundreds of thousands of kilometres away
Meanwhile Star Wars seems to have doubled down on point-blank turbolaser knife fights all the time
Unless it's different in EU material
fair hazel
and firepower wise star wars ships aren't really that impressive. they look flashy, but aren't as damaging
pure pagoda
We need to see a MAC cannon activated in one of the Chief Trilogy games.
last anchor
That Eckheart again Eric?
@pure pagoda We do. You see Cairo station firing on Cairo Station and the frigates on the end of The Storm firing at the Dreadnought
pure pagoda
What I mean is like you’re on the planet
And they MAC cannon a forerunner base or something
last anchor
@versed helm It used to be different. But even in the books, ranges in Star Wars were enough for star fighters to have a viable time of getting in to attack. The X-Wing novels mention star ships duking it out within tens of kilometers of each other.
Ohhhh. Does the Grafton firing on Spire One count?
fair hazel
You bet
last anchor
Least hes getting better.
If nothing else his presentation had gotten much smoother and easier to watch
fair hazel
Perhaps, correct outcome but not quite the correct way overall to get those results.
last anchor
Hes got to apease both fans, I suppose.
Albiet it would be hilarious to see Kylo Ren on the bridge of a Resurgent shaking his fist at the Infinity as it constantly "truck noises" out of the range of the Star Destroyers guns.
I assume it can fly backwards...
fair hazel
It has repulsor engines so that should be possible.
stable schooner
Lol I find it funny Johnson tells Arbiter to grab a Banshee when their is none to be seen when he says it
versed helm
I have a question regarding the lore, were the Gao Battle Jumpers a bootleg ODST unit or were they more so the successor to the Orion program but hadn't yet caught up to the ODST programs advancements?
only asking because I am yet to read the books but I am slowly learning more about the insurrections units and power
stoic hamlet
They’re similar to Army Airborne than ODST. And they’re just a planetary defence unit, like Biko’s Guard Militia or the national armies of Earth.
stable schooner
Also The Terminal on Gravemind showing Arbiter ambushing those Brutes, is that just suppose to be a stylized version of Uprising? Events dont really play out like that
gilded mason
is that just suppose to be a stylized version of Uprising?
Ye
stable schooner
So you wouldn’t consider it the Canon version of things right? Mission doesn’t go down like that.
gilded mason
Right
tired river
It’s an interpretation
last anchor
Hail the Operators. HAIL
carmine sleet
It's likely that some didn't have militias as they may have been close enough to other planets that had one that meant they didn't see the need to have their own
last anchor
True, but Reach had one and it was...Reach.
So maybe humans just...dig their feet into their dirt.
Mostly Im curious for myself because Im working on my own colony for the fanon and I want their militia to have grown into an almost secondary planetary guard
carmine sleet
Wasn't Reach's militia not so legal? Especially considering allot of their weapons were stolen
last anchor
Totally illegal. But that didnt stop them.
carmine sleet
Either that or there's a version which is piloted by someone
versed helm
With limited tactical functionality, of course.
I mean it makes sense
So I figure that the driver is probably more providing direction for the vehicle's systems than controlling anything fundamental to its operation
Therefore, if you got rid of the driver and introduced a tactical algorithm, you'd probably give the vehicle a limited capability to engage on its own, though on account of lacking human intuition and (I believe) programming not being able to account for all potential situations, it'd probably be quite stupid.
Be a fairly compelling way to portray the Created as well
Sequences where you're up against driverless vehicles and hordes of combat drones
humble yacht
only if it misbehaves
fair hazel
i dont recall anything about locust being a drone...
Meridian Divide
Please discuss Meridian Divide preview in #485883236430512168
cosmic river
It’s a preview lol
fair hazel
Was I unclear?
cosmic river
pff okay
warm ridge
I Love Bee's is confirmed cannon by 343, and even by Bungie in the past. Certain parts of it aren't entirely canon though/contradict information, but you could technically also apply it to the "glassed planets have bad records" aspect of the Find the Truth stuff.
this is further confirmed considering they even used the "Cortana letters" in certain parts of Halo 5's own dialogue when she speaks about the Domain. Exact same words the Didact used at the end of H4
fair hazel
Anyways going back to the discussion I don't know how many time units ago, it doesn't take an infinity to destroy a first order star destroyer.
gilded mason
I would hope it wouldn't literally take forever. 😋
fair hazel
hahahahaha
Much smaller stuff can be used, and if kiting is needed for smaller ships, then that's an advantage. Kiting meaning you basically attack and run away sort of so the enemy doesn't catch you
the really smaller unshielded ships would eventually fail to turbolaser fire and stuff, but, at any descent range, it doesn't hit
there's also the wrongful idea that halo ships go around doing a bunch of broadside fire type stuff
i should re-read some of the nice cool space battles parts of various halo books
impossible life and possible death of cole
I do hope we see at some point visually something similar to the battles in the books. im sure it is possible to visually depict the conflict and tension in visual media
alpine nova
I've never read them, but I heard that they are a must-read.
fair hazel
the books in general? they're really fun and great
we dont really get to see actual actual proper space battles too much. Halo CE, we don't see much of the action, 2, we mostly see parts where covenant ships have breached the ODP line, so different type, 3, we see sort of the intro but the portal put them close already to the covenant ships and we dont see the action much, reach, we see unsc fleet jump in sorta in the path of the mantle's approach but they're simply like being a distraction, can't do much, reach, the paris-class frigate wasn't fighting conventionally, it was mostly there to distract the corvette and stuff, not an actual conventional battle. 5, no space battles stuff, there are ships but they overlook the battlefield mostly. legends, the package isnt an actual ship to ship battle
Seeing the ship get hit with the beam was amazing though
untold ivy
I’m so far behind on books in the last 3 years. I’m gonna go with audio books
feral perch
It has a tiny Death Star inside
mental nimbus
Halo space battles are cool to see simply because space battles are cool to see, but they're very much the "ships meet on a vertical plane and fire at each other" type of space battle. Which is fine but at the same time it means really silly stuff like the Keyes loop gets made out to be the work of a tactical genius.
versed helm
That statement doesn't seem very supported.
I mean, for one, the Keyes loop's impressive aspect is more because of its audacity, I believe, and the usage of the plasma torpedoes.
Secondly, the Preston Cole story from Evolutions is absolutely chock-full of creative uses of three dimensional space, especially as it relates to engagements around planets.
And honestly, outside of Nylund's work, there aren't a terrible amount of highly detailed space battles in Halo to go on.
And most of what Nylund wrote factored in the dimensionality of space - even in instances where engagements are described as being linear, I'd suggest it's more a matter of what you're imagining than anything else.
What I mean by that is that when you have craft that are relatively grouped together versus another group, stressing their dimensionality can seem redundant because the axis between them will effectively be a flat plane.
And the dimensionality only factors in when craft are increasingly spread out, which I imagine there are tactical pros and cons to.
abstract zealot
@versed helm the Spartan Laser is a direct energy weapon. So that means it converts the energy from its battery into a laser for its dedicated purpose. In the Spartan Lasers case, that’s meant for Ant-Vehicle.
Hopefully that answers it for you.
stable schooner
Oof having another were the Sentinels hostile to humans in the Sentinel Wall and Quarantine Zone debate.
gilded mason
Nice
stable schooner
Gameplaywise they clearly are but I’ve been arguing lore wise against Ruby Of Blue that Sentinels tasked to defend things aren’t naturally peaceful to humans
versed helm
How many Guardian Custodes did the Forerunners build?,dozens?,hundreds?,thousands?
carmine sleet
Unknown
versed helm
Correctly if i'm wrong but weren't there instances in which the Created's plans actually failed?
carmine sleet
Only really on Onyx
gilded mason
Correctly if i'm wrong but weren't there instances in which the Created's plans actually failed?
Like that space station they ruined and accidently blew up?
versed helm
I still wonder why the Forerunners even left a Guardian Custode on Meridian,iirc,they were built to police hostile species
Not hostile species
All species. As needed.
So the Forerunners were that paranoid
What other races have fought against the Forerunners besides ancient humanity,the ancient san'shyuum,the flood?
jovial temple
I mean a plethora of giant rings with the sole purpose of vaporizing all sentient life in a space radius depending on how many rings are activated should definitely tip you off the forerunners were absolutely paranoid. What I like about the halos though is they filled them with wildlife almost as if that would justify itself as a weapon. Master chief didn’t even know it was a weapon until Cortana called 343 guilty spark out just as he was about to activate it.
Also something has been bugging me about the forerunner ships in halo wars 1. Does anyone know if those ships were intended to be early models of the guardians or if they were just different warships the forerunners used?
They have an uncanny resemblance
fair hazel
No they don’t.
They’re a type of dragoon
Guardians are a different thing.
Custodes
At least 3209 guardians
jovial temple
The uncanny resemblance I am mainly referring to is the way they are shaped but ah I see
I know nothing of forerunner class ships as of yet so I started wonder if they were linked
fair hazel
There’s a big difference between sojourners and guardians to me
We need more space battles. But halo battles have had a 3D aspect and so on still.
Lots of using planets and celestial objects for cover and so o
Okay some.
What recent halo books had had space battles hm...
I wish there were fans who would animate a halo space battle and do it justice.
Also Keyes found what he did questionable. But it worked.
But plasma torpedoes are pretty powerful, I feel like many people don’t realize it too much. They can overload shields in many cases, and deal a really big number on a ship’s hull.
There’s taking torpedoes out to protect. And dodging but they can come back so taking them out is best Option probably. Or destroying enemy ship fast enough
What are you typing?
jovial temple
there is definitely some big differences between the sojourner and guardian but I like how they both have the wings coming out of each side when they stand upright.
fair hazel
Those are different ships and things
The sojourners are only the side things. And those other long things are the docking battle station things
fossil eagle
Question: On the Mantis, there's a little dish doohickie that sits vertically upon the pilot's left side of the cockpit. It seems to me that it was inspired from the Metal Gear franchise's titular machines, but I cannot find any concrete answer on what it actually is. Is it inspired from a real-world piece of military hardware? If so, what exactly is it?
honest bear
I'm stiiiiill, in a dreeeeaaaam
versed helm
A radar dish
jovial temple
We need all the space battles. Star Wars has us beat in space battles right now by a long shot ☹️
My guess was it was a radio
versed helm
I mean, the only thing Star Wars has beat about Halo space battles is volume.
In terms of like, substance, ship design and weaponry, Halo is tonnes cooler in my book.
jovial temple
I agree ☝️ . I’m just saying that Star Wars has way more battles that we actually get to see and some of the tactics used are brilliant, mainly in the clone wars
I don’t know much about the old republic but I wanna guess it has some pre cool space battles as well
But halo definitely has them beat in ship design, weaponry, and all that for sure
carmine sleet
Allot of ship battles in Star Wars are inaccurate to how a ship battle in space would go. The distance at which you would engage would be much farther away
fossil eagle
Space combat in Halo is conducted at a range of thousands of kilometres between vessels.
jovial temple
That’s because the unsc has macs and archer missiles and not super lasers, ion cannons and like two different types of shields
Ray shields and particle shields
fossil eagle
Getting closer offers no advantage unless your projectiles are incredibly slow, if the enemy ship is equipped with reactive thrusters that can move it out of the way of enemy fire extremely quickly, or if one ship straight up has no ammunition left.
jovial temple
Getting closer In the Star Wars universe it might be because they don’t use projectiles they use energy weapons. Imagine a bunch of spartan lasers with the accuracy and a larger size battery
The forerunners could probably stand up to that but definitely not the unsc
full forge
So in Halo 2 during Quarantine Zone, why don't the Covenant deploy more forces to retrieve the Sacred Icon after the Arbiter lowers the shields? They send like, two phantoms, a few ghosts and a spectre to assist the Arbiter and Rtas
fossil eagle
Either because there was a lot of faith put into the Special Operations group sent on that mission, or because of Tartarus, Truth, or Mercy's meddling.
full forge
Tartarus, Truth, or Mercy would not want to meddle in that I don't think. The sooner they retrieve the icon, the sooner they can activate the rings. And Tartarus just "kills" the Arbiter after getting the icon anyways.
jovial temple
They planned for the arbiter to die either way so they probably saw no need to send reinforcements
full forge
But if the arbiter failed to reach the icon, then they'd have wasted resources on moving to the icon.
And it was clearly planned for tartarus to kill the Arbiter after the icon is secured anyways.
fossil eagle
Resources? What resources could an empire spanning hundreds of planets and with hundreds of billions of individuals serving it possibly waste in that mission?
full forge
Time.
jovial temple
It could be truth’s plan and that’s why you only fight alongside other elites and grunts
Despite Tartarus being in the phantom
full forge
Ah.
So when the elites die after being starved of resource and reinforcements, the brutes exit the phantom and finish collecting the icon.
carmine sleet
For Truth, he did not care if Arbiter lived or not. If he had died during the operation, Truth would've likely deployed another group to get it. Time wasn't an issue since the Master Chief was MIA after they glassed where Regret was and the UNSC forces on the ring were much smaller than what was at Earth, being a single ship. The Covenant would've found the icon, even if it meant boarding a single ship with their best warriers
full forge
Truth did care if the Arbiter lived or not: He wanted the Arbiter to die.
jovial temple
Truth planned to betray the elites anyway so he probably didn’t care if they got the icon or not. He could just send in more like fodder or use the brutes
carmine sleet
Arbiter would've still been betrayed by Tartarus, like we saw
full forge
So what I've gathered is that the phantom Tartarus is in, was loaded with plenty of brutes to finish the mission after the elites got as far as they could.
That's the answer that makes the most sense to me.
fossil eagle
"When they learn? Ha ha. Fool. They ordered me to do it."
jovial temple
☝️ exactly
full forge
i don't see your point, we all know that the prophets ordered the arbiter's death
I mean, the Arbiter making it all the way to the icon couldn't have been planned especially with the lack of resources provided to the elites. I'm saying that the brutes expected them to die, and were waiting in the phantom for that after the elites had made it most of the way to the icon. The Arbiter making it to the icon probably wasn't expected, but it was anticipated.
jovial temple
There is a bit more behind that, it was only the prophet of truth that ordered it unless he shared his intentions with the prophet of mercy, which I don’t think he did. Truth planned to kill the arbiter and the rest of the elites all along but he couldn’t do it out in the open because of politics and the prophet of regret still around so when regret left through the portal on earth, truth saw his opportunity and ordered his brutes to kill all remaining elites. Arbiters are sent on suicide missions anyways because they are very skilled warriors so truth saw this as a good opportunity to use the arbiter’s skills as much as the prophet could before he is disposed of, whether he reached the icon or not, the brutes would’ve finish it.
Truth was an extremely paranoid prophet
carmine sleet
And rarely ever lived up to his name
fossil eagle
His deployment to deal with Sesa 'Refumee and the interrogation of 343 Guilty Spark may be what caused Truth to want his Arbiter dead.
carmine sleet
Arbiter was expected to die on the gas mine
Becoming an Arbiter is literally signing up for a suicide mission
stable schooner
Yet Tartarus was sent to save him once the Spec Ops evacuated. I mean the Covenant didn’t exactly only send Spec Ops. They sent forces towards the wall and to the Quarantine Zone once the shield was down who both got slaughtered before the Spec Ops were called in. And I mean Tartarus personal Phantom does help Arbiter multiple times
lament bloom
Two things. 1. We know the arbiter was a symbol to the elites, until that image was corrupted by the prophets creation of the covenant.
2. I think they knew that the ring was overrun by the flood, and in such time the city high charity was under siege as well. I’m not so sure the covenant was as capable as the UNSC to stop the flood. So perhaps any additional help to the arbiter would’ve blocked the way as his allies would be infected if lost and would be one more to fight. We don’t see the true strength of the flood since it’s been contained, but if the forerunners were pressed to a loss the covenant in a large expanse would be overrun.
Remember when the elites come to earth to help in H3, they say that they had fled, and the arbiter was surprised because they had a fleet of 100s, but the reply that the flood was evolving.
Anything but a swift end for the flood is bad.
carmine sleet
The Elites that arrive at Earth weren't running away, they were chasing after the single ship that got away
stoic hamlet
It was a small detachment, not a retreat
stable schooner
I mean Arbiter had Spec Ops, multiple vehicles and Phantoms including Tartarus Phantom so I’d say he was decently assisted
fair hazel
@carmine sleet oh no, the range we see is the range we have. like thats how it works in star wars.
you can even see the very low range of the was it supremacyÉ the first order mega star destroyer thing
carmine sleet
Oh, I see. My bad
Honestly, I should really leave the space battle talk to those who understand it
obsidian thistle
While I could say a bit on it. I usually just push it to the SotP peeps. They are the community experts on ships and I know I am outclassed by them in every way almost regarding them.
carmine sleet
There's something in Halo you're not an expert on?
But yeah, I've heard those lot over at SotP are great
obsidian thistle
Well I'd be lying if I could say I was a master of the calculations and ship stats and so on that the SotP peeps work on for their project. I know when my knowledge is surpassed (mostly)
carmine sleet
Aye, I'll admit I sometimes struggle to know when mine is surpassed
fair hazel
something more unikraken's alley eh
obsidian thistle
Depends. XD I am just saying I usually just go down his alley to be safe.
gilded mason
Sins of the Prophets.
gilded mason
It's a total conversion mod for Sins of a Solar Empire.
Also, pretty sure CIA said it's fine to ping him
lament bloom
Oh good haha
Besides a site do they have a discord ?
It’s easier but I understand if not
gilded mason
I dunno, probably
lament bloom
Okay, I mean I’m not interested as much on the fine print of space battle as much as lore they may explore I guess?
drowsy stratus
ye SOTP has a discord
stoic hamlet
They do have a discord yis
cloud spruce
what is sotp
gilded mason
We just talked about that.
weak phoenix
YALL I HAVE something to talk about i just realized
gilded mason
Hm?
weak phoenix
jenkins from halo CE is jenkins from contact harvest
weak phoenix
i just finished reading contact harvest and im just oof
it explains so much
i want more
i want all the lore
pls
fair hazel
read moreee
versed helm
I really need to make time to read Bad Blood soon. I may devote a Afternoon rereading the Halo Books.
next zodiac
Anyone up i have a major question that the comics and books didn’t really answer
gilded mason
Ye?
next zodiac
So i know why Johnson is immune to the flood parasites, but why didn’t they just murder him like any other marine? Also how did he escape that room once it locked from the outside? It locked Master Chief in the moment he steps through the door so why isn’t Johnson there?
gilded mason
So i know why Johnson is immune to the flood parasites
He isn't.
but why didn’t they just murder him like any other marine?
They tried, but he was skilled enough that he never got hit by them.
The comic 'Breaking Quarantine' shows this and his escape.
next zodiac
Ah one I haven’t read and he is immune because of his Boren Syndrome a Spartan-1 side effect, but was claimed to be caused by exposure to plasma radiation.
gilded mason
His immunity was retconned.
next zodiac
Oni decided to cover it up with the radiation excuse, and really when did it get retconned?
gilded mason
Many years back.
next zodiac
Jeez i leave the states for a few years and come back and they change up history. Alright well thanks anyways.
gilded mason
👌
versed helm
I mean I'd say the idea of Johnson being resistant to the Flood is Nylund's greatest mistake
And it really undermines the Flood as a threat
gilded mason
Yeah.
remote spruce
Staten's retcon thankfully doesn't ruin the theme established in First Strike
fossil eagle
Can it be explained by a simple misunderstanding on Halsey's part, or were there too many details regarding Johnson's interaction with the Flood that it could not be simply retconned that way?
versed helm
I mean, huge swathes of TFoR, The Flood and First Strike are dubious in relation to modern canon.
You can't take anything within them too seriously - visual media (and the intent of the games) comes first. At least, that's my belief.
fossil eagle
Stop it. You'll make me cry.
versed helm
🤷 It's just the reality of the situation.
remote spruce
I'm confused on why the retcon is confusing but now that I'm rusty on Halo lore it's confusing
versed helm
It's all confusing
remote spruce
Ok so it was originally a boring thing Boren's Syndrome from plasma nades
Then it was changed to that being a cover-up for Spartan I augmentations
Which leads to Johnson not being immune but resistant?
gilded mason
Which leads to Johnson not being immune but resistant?
Depends on how you'd define 'impede' to be in Catalog's statement, I guess.
fossil eagle
Sounds like it's time for some canon fodder
fair hazel
Huge? Not really huge
Johnson thing. Plus could still be what the characters think
But didn’t happen.
And fall of reach. Even the part with elites being new was taken out.
So small things here and there maybe
But not huge
versed helm
Well, everyone's got their own interpretations.
humble yacht
Which leads to Johnson not being immune but resistant?
He’s not even resistant.
feral perch
Halsey said there were traces of inert Flood matter in his body.
He’s at least somewhat resistant.
gilded mason
Halsey said there were traces of inert Flood matter in his body.
Perhaps that is part of what was retconned
gilded mason
Not in the comic
feral perch
Well then.
stable schooner
When you learn Anniversary took the CE Sentinels out of Halo 2.
feral perch
hm?
stable schooner
On the Missions Arbiter and Oracle the Sentinels are the Halo 1 models while the ones on Sacred Icon and Quarantine being on Installation 05 are new different Sentinels. Anniversary made all Sentinels the 05 models
gilded mason
Didn't even realize Halo 2 had different sentinel models for the two areas.
stable schooner
Yeah the CE ones have no light on the bottom and have a more CE like Beam Effect
Which made perfect sense story wise as their Installation 04 Sentinels on the Gas Mine . I’ll consider this oversight to be fair.
gilded mason
Yeah the CE ones have no light on the bottom
Yes they do?
https://www.halopedia.org/images/3/3c/HCE-SentinelAggressor.png
stable schooner
No I mean the Halo 2 version of them
feral perch
Perhaps the light underneath them signifies a connection to their Installation. When 04 was destroyed, maybe the red light on its Sentinels went out.
rigid ferry
Didn't johnson technically have some of the flood supercell in him?
which is one of the reasons halsey nearly gave over a file of the guy to oni
gilded mason
That was retconned. If he did, he'd be infected by now in the new canon.
Well, not 'now'. Since he's been dead for a while. But y'know
obsidian thistle
He had some dead ones.
gilded mason
Oh?
obsidian thistle
Like dead as dead can be like the Dead Pod Infector at Outpost Discovery.
stable schooner
@gilded mason though at least they retain not having a flash every time they shoot and no ghost trail like the 05 Sentinels. It was a nice attention to detail sadly lost in Anniversary
versed helm
What is your craziest, most tinfoil theory in the Halo Universe?
storm flume
Precursors still being alive and testing humanity for the Mantle
People often talk about the Flood specifically being the test
But I'm thinking more like
The entire Halo universe being orchestrated by the Precursors
versed helm
I also theorize that they actually really exist outside our Universe, being extra-dimensional. Their bodies being just vessels
storm flume
Yeah are we to believe they were far superior to the Forerunners yet just lied down and let themselves be exterminated?
Just doesn't add up to me chief
versed helm
Yeah, and also to study and see what the Forerunners would do
If my theory is right, then this would really do nothing to do them, as they exist on a higher dimension outside our Universe
last anchor
They're like the Xel'Naga
stable schooner
So theirs this unused Line of Cortana on High Charity in Halo 2, have you guys heard it before? “The Jackals And Drones have declared themselves the servants of the Brutes. The Hunters have sworn allegiance to the Elites. The Grunts seem to be neutral, or at least afraid to announce which side they support. Except for Truth, the Prophets aren’t saying a word.” I find it interesting this perfectly describes how the species are aligned in gameplay and seems to me be the original line of division Bungie was going with in the Civil war.
versed helm
No, never heard the line, can we hear it anywhere?
abstract zealot
Yeah. To me the way the units are structured it makes sense on who makes their allegiance to who. I especially like how the Unggoy are split as they’ll side whoever scares them the most.
And I’m sure if there’s audio files there’s something out their regarding it @versed helm
stable schooner
Theirs a page on halo wiki called Dialogue placeholders that has all the cut and unused funny dialogue lines. Otherwise you would have to do the taboo. @versed helm
last anchor
I remember that split perfectly too...how odd.
rigid estuary
Crazed Marine: "No, no, no! You're not listening! It's a zoo, okay?"
Dubbo: “Well, technically it's a corporate-funded wildlife reserve."
Crazed Marine: "Semantics! This whole place is one...big...cage!"
Dubbo: "Listen, Marine. You're wounded; you need to try and relax."
Crazed Marine: "Except we, we're the zebras. All fenced in...and ready for the slaughter!"
Dubbo: "And the Covenant?"
Crazed Marine: “They're the lions...RAAAR!”
Dubbo: “Careful. I think you just strained a metaphor."
Crazed Marine: “Oh, oh God, oh God! Is that...serious?"
Dubbo: “Only if you keep it up."
This is the best dialogue in the entire franchise.
stable schooner
When your watching the dev commentary on Halo 2 and Marty points out one of the ODSTs is Sergeant Stacker. Feels good
stable schooner
Also confirmed the Tentacle Miranda grabs was a Gravemind Tentacle not Enforcer rope.
carmine sleet
I prefer the change of it being a cable in H2A honestly. A Flood tentacle is the last thing I'd want to grab if I was trying to grab an Index
stable schooner
No honestly I agree but it did seem like the Gravemind was trying to instinctively stop her
carmine sleet
Aye, that would explain why it suddenly got looser in the classic graphics
stable schooner
Everyone needs to watch it honestly. Like the Second half of Quarantine Zone was gonna be Arbiter racing Chief on Foreunner Tanks to get the Icon. Another idea was Miranda betraying Chief, having ODSTs put a bomb on his back and push him down to the Graveminds Lair
gilded mason
Glad they didn’t go with that last thing. It sounded kinda weird.
gilded mason
Indeed
stable schooner
Definitely seems Sentinels we’re meant to be hostile to Chief to who would fight the same things as Arbiter with Sacred Icon being the first Arbiter Mission
Yeah the Miranda thing was imo pretty dumb lol
humble yacht
probably just an idea that someone threw out during brainstorming that (thankfully) never stuck
stable schooner
Nah it was actually made into a Cutscene before getting scrapped
humble yacht
well no matter how far into development it went, it ultimately didn't stick
stable schooner
Staten seemed to be the one for it. Miranda was suppose to blame Chief for Keyes death and not trust Chief who would start looking like he’s crazy trying to stop the ring firing but again I don’t see the sense in it.
It’s on YouTube if anyone wants to watch it Halo 2 developer Play through
humble yacht
fragmentation within a faction is a common theme but with the Covenant it felt naturally and worked well
stable schooner
Also that brah moment was Truth was suppose to seem more like an Ally
vivid dust
We need more Miranda stories
wispy bough
@vivid dust o no
vivid dust
y not
rigid ferry
So Grunts can survive in space right