what does that have to do with anything
#lore-and-universe
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primal prairie
can't it gain knowledge from it?
humble yacht
the Ark's location was not recorded on any of the rings
primal prairie
Just like it did to high charity
Like when we see him fly it in for a crash landing
fair hazel
However it doesn’t really seem like there was much in the way of passage of time between the start of halo 3 final. Cutscene and portal entering cutscene
fair hazel
Implying that he got there pretty fast, something tampering with the portal
humble yacht
the only info on the Ark you can find on the rings is where to find the portal
primal prairie
heres a theory 1 Answer. The Gravemind had taken over High Charity during the ending events of Halo 2. ... It modified High Charity's energy source to get it through slip-space and went to the Earth, arriving just after the portal to the Ark was activated.
primal prairie
well there we go then
humble yacht
but the Gravemind did not take the portal to get to the Ark
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the gravemind saw the portal was active and then charted it's own course to the Ark
versed helm
It's assumed.
I guess the modifying of HC's energy source is a theory bit?
But either way
primal prairie
Wait he definitely used the arks portal
humble yacht
then turned around and went to the Ark
primal prairie
because only 4 weeks later did it shut down
primal prairie
Yes but you said it yourself
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and went there without using the portal
primal prairie
he had no co-ordinates for the ark
primal prairie
yes but how?
humble yacht
so Gravemind probably got them from MB
primal prairie
do you really thing MB gave it to him in halo 2?
fair hazel
The geavemine using his knowledge to tamper with high charity. I think it was the neural physics knowledge
primal prairie
Hmmm
humble yacht
the gravemind just remembered
primal prairie
Oh yea
I forgot about that
a gravemind can gain memories from recent ones
Good point
primal prairie
thats what i mena
i didnt mean gain sos xd
well there we go then
so in conclusion
Gravemind took control of high charity
Used all its retained memories to gain the co-ordinates from MB
Upgraded the energy source of high charity
and made its way to the ark
problem solved
humble yacht
it was never a problem
primal prairie
it kinda was because you guys seemed to have been debating
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I made an aside remark that sparked a tangential convo
primal prairie
so you 2 decided to have a convo on something that both you already knew the answer too?
humble yacht
I don't think they knew the answer
humble yacht
Sounds like they assumed it was theory
primal prairie
though how come you denie the portal to the ark theory?
its a good one
but just wondering
fair hazel
Q: How was High charity able to get to the Ark in a timely manner? The only way it could have done so was the Voi Portal, but High Charity was much bigger than that portal. So how was it able to do this? If it went through Voi, why did the Gravemind not throw down billions upon billions of flood forms on earth while it was there?
- BaconShelf
A: The Flood-infested High Charity never entered Earth’s atmosphere, and did not transit the Portal at Voi. However, the Gravemind did become aware of Earth’s Portal - and thus the danger that the Lesser Ark still posed to his plans - as soon as he arrived in the Sol system. His modifications to High Charity were far-reaching, both to keep the facility functioning after the departure of the Keyship, and to better serve as a mobile plagueship from which he could sing victory everlasting in a galaxy consumed of thinking life. But even with an intellect impossibly vast and deep, able to twist the technologies of the Covenant far beyond their original functionality by application of esoteric Precursor science, the ancient abomination was unable to both conduct a desperate bridging maneuver to the Ark and maintain the structural integrity of High Charity after its arrival.
primal prairie
Yep plus the flood spores eminating from high charity would have been let off on earths air and we would have heard about the flood infecting earth again
Because his reputation for leadership was approved by ONI
However Del Rio was too greedy in his job after being incharge of the infinity
Thus he was questioned by ONI, and died (Not sure how he died though)
humble yacht
Del Rio wasn't put in place because they were expecting to encounter a threat like the Didact
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Del Rio not dead
primal prairie
Pretty sure he is..
Eh?
Why has no one told meh!
I WANT HIM TO DIE
Brb for sec
humble yacht
how so?
primal prairie
Anyways he isn't a spartana
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where do you think you heard he died?
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plenty of non-spartans survive
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60s, I'd imagine
primal prairie
OHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHO
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I'm sure you can look up his exact DOB
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calm down
primal prairie
Nah I wont
I want him dead still
he wanted my boi chief arrested
He mess with the man!
Oh right halo age logic makes no sense
He will die soon though...
Somehow...
What do you expect?
He messed with my boi chief
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@versed helm so the only reason Del Rio got to captain the ship was because lasky was his No. 2
this comes from Thursday War
primal prairie
Still he's close..
He better die.....
HEHEHEHE
Anyways lets move on
Who here likes palmer?
carmine sleet
Palmer's fine. Just wish that she was handled better
primal prairie
Define that
donk what do you mean
this is lore and universe channel talking about actual characters
humble yacht
just ask what you like, donk
primal prairie
Anyways back to it
humble yacht
don't worry about others
primal prairie
Palmer was... an interesting one
versed helm
Don't you dare
primal prairie
She was horrible in halo 4 but she was handled decently in halo 5
versed helm
Palmer is a hardcore UNSC soldier
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I don't think ONI created S-IVs
primal prairie
It was mostly to allow older men and women become spartans
primal prairie
though..
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Her voice actor was COMMANDER SHEPARD
primal prairie
spartans 4's aren't... really spartans in my opinion
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modern spartan-ivs exist because Musa saw the need for more spartans and convinced the UNSC to make more
versed helm
You think she's just gonna start licking Chief's boots?
Heck no
Back when she was a Helljumper she'd probably have tried to pick a fight with him
And believed she had a decent chance of winning that fight
Because that's the Helljumper ethos
primal prairie
Hold on what was the first A.I ONI made (if its cortana then nevermind)
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ONI didn't make cortana
versed helm
Palmer is great
primal prairie
I MEAN HALSEY
carmine sleet
I feel like Palmer wouldn't have tried to fight Chief back when she was an ODST
primal prairie
Dont put this pressure on me
versed helm
And they neutered her in Halo 5
And it was pathetic
And such a waste of the voice actress
carmine sleet
Nobody's putting pressure on you Horrorpleb
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wrong
primal prairie
Good
primal prairie
Who was it?
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can't recall the name off the top of my head
primal prairie
let me find out
thorny holly
deja?
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Kalmiya
versed helm
Let's not do this
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Kalmiya was Halsey's AI before Cortana
versed helm
Honestly I tell you what
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he wiki'd "smart AI" instead of "Halsey"
versed helm
I've we'd listened to Sam Harris
primal prairie
Oh kalmiya
versed helm
This whole Created nonsense could've been avoided
primal prairie
Well I went to halsey and then smart A.I after that expecting any info on it
But I just realised that after reading the second line XDD
AHA:
Kalmiya was a Smart artificial intelligence construct created by Dr. Catherine Halsey. She served as a host for prototype routines to test the software intrusion routines and software that would later be integrated into the specialized AI, Cortana. In a sense, Kalmiya was Cortana's older "sister." [2]
UNSC protocol demands that prototypes such as Kalmiya must be destroyed promptly after their material goes into general use. Dr. Halsey promptly disobeyed this order. She kept Kalmiya around, likely because her previous AIs, Déjà and Cortana, had been reassigned (to an unknown position and as John-117's attaché, respectively.)[3]
Kalmiya resided in Halsey's office in ONI's CASTLE Base. She was left there with Dr. Halsey during the Fall of Reach and proved very useful in helping Halsey and her SPARTAN-IIs escape the facility.
She was somewhat disturbed, though, when Dr. Halsey used a hidden fail-safe to destroy Colonel Ackerson's personal AI, Araquiel: she asked if her own code included such a fail-safe. Dr. Halsey carefully told her (Kalmiya would possibly stress-analyze her voice to verify that she wasn't lying) that not every A.I. had the fail-safe, which was the truth, just not the whole truth. Kalmiya had to be destroyed as part of Operation: WHITE GLOVE to prevent the Covenant from collecting any information in the base. Dr. Halsey activated the fail-safe in her Riemann Matrix, revealing to her that not every A.I. has such a fail-safe, only the ones that matter.[4]
Is this accurate or should i go deeper?
Huh she was the older sister of cortana.
Thats something
carmine sleet
Do you need to keep pasting stuff off of wikis?
primal prairie
Actually this one was from the fandom
Plus I only did that to figure this out
And so donk could too
Makes this easier
heh
carmine sleet
I said "Wikis", not "Wiki". I was referring to multiple wikis
primal prairie
Still though, older sister
Ye but you got it
too late
Man UNSC ordered for kalmiya to be destroyed
Wow
I wasn't talking to you though
WELL NO KIDDING
SHE KIDNAPPED CHILDREN
XD
yep
yep
definitely
xd
humble yacht
?
not all spartan IIs are designated as "hyper lethal vectors"
only two spartans have that rating
carmine sleet
Even then, isn't the term a little vague anyway?
humble yacht
I think it was just a way of describing his proficiency
primal prairie
He was classified by ONI as their own private grim reaper, which is not an actual thing
atleast
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not an actual rating
primal prairie
one person in ONI
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it was a personal comment by Holland
agile lotus
Just an individual’s description of him.
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that Halsey commented on
primal prairie
A
Ah
Noble 6 is the only other spartan that lives up to Johns skills
Besides blue team of course
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it was a line meant to relate Noble 6 to the other player-controlled protag of the series
primal prairie
I think we all knew that XD
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beyond that, i don't think it needs to be thought too hard about
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depends on the opponent
primal prairie
and he is as good as chief
wait it really depends on what spartan 2 we are implying
we talking a random or an actual character?
humble yacht
that was really only due to the armor
but a spartan III in mjolnir could likely stand their own against a spartan II
primal prairie
Well spartan 3's were designed for more suicidal missions
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maybe the II would have a slight advantage and win like 60-70% of the time
primal prairie
Thus why we hear more spartan 3's die
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well there was also more of them
primal prairie
Plus the head hunters
primal prairie
It was theorised that June was a head hunter
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but that was due to advancement in the augmentation tech
primal prairie
Though we haven't heard official info if June actually was a head hunter
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choose a II for 6 to fight
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6 might win
primal prairie
I didn't get my question answered
What about the fact that you are debating if 6 can beat a 2 even though it depends on what spartan 2 we are implying sure
versed helm
Should i even care about the Created at this point?
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Jorge is strong but not known amongst the S-IIs are being the best at something, afaik
I could see 6 using his smaller size to dart around and not let Jorge grab him
primal prairie
Does anyone think 'Jun' is a head hunter (I want to hear your answer on this)
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then attack weak points to disable Jorge
primal prairie
Pretty much jorge could crush 6
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Jorge wouldn't be a slouch but I could see 6 winning that fight
primal prairie
Jorge only has one disadvantage
the weight of his armour, sure he is augmentated with strength and the suit gives him it
but imagine being jorge holding a minigun and having that huge armour
though
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this is all assuming unarmed combat
carmine sleet
All Mjolnir suits weigh a tonne, Jorge's might be slightly heavier due to his size and additions but he would still be able to move like all the others
primal prairie
if he dropped the minigun the outcome would be interesting
lol Spartan Locke vs 6
now i've just broke it xd
Technically yes
humble yacht
out of armor, yes
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Their GEN2 armor makes up the difference
primal prairie
some of you are closers than others
had to fix that
I messed up XD
Edit for life
Wait spartan 4 vs 2
2's would win
We've already seen 4's in combat and they fight kinda badly
Ye but keep in mind thats halo 5 we are talking about
things messed up in the fighting animation
humble yacht
Depends on the 4
primal prairie
Chief would have been doing badass movements
not jsut throwing a couple of punches like WWE
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some S-IVs fight very, very well
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there's variation among them just like the other spartan generations
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it wasn't a death match
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yep
primal prairie
Donk pretty sure they messed up the fight in halo 5
It even showed how badly 343 messed up xd
I still get disgusted by the movements
Sure it wasn't a fight to the death
but chief would have put up more of a fight than that
he didn't want locke trying to get cortana
unique rune
The fight was choreographed poorly, sure, but it wasn’t ever going to be the one-sided beating that people always make it seem like it should have been.
primal prairie
Emperor you are correct
But thats the problem
It was handled poorly
YOu see
John was really desperate to find cortana
And locke saying "Shes our concern now"
It really hit john
and he replied
"Like hell she is"
It even showed how much he was trying to do to get to her
It anything he should have put up more of a fight if he really wanted to get to cortana
Theres no way that fight wasn't handled on purpose
Because chief would have fought differently since its cortana we are implying
In halo 4's ending
After losing cortana
Chief loses all his humanity
and since he just realised cortana was still around
Finally someone who answered
Anyways
Locke vs 6
who would win?
That wasn't an argument..
We were just debating the true reason for the poor fighting animation
carmine sleet
I don't think Chief lost his humanity at the end of Halo 4. He started to regain it as he realised that having humanity and being a soldier aren't different things
primal prairie
Good point
But he was in complete sorrow after losing cortana
So its still there
Anyways back onto my other question
Locke vs 6 who would win?
donk are you trying to avoid this XD
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based on their in-game portrayals, Locke
primal prairie
Just answer!!!
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similar pedigrees, but Locke has better armor
primal prairie
Uh... donk.. you implying black team?
Why did you nickname them balaclava XDD?
Wait..
Are they actually nicknamed that or did you just?
Sigh
Donk
The door is right there
Its open
Go on
Well ye i had too
I wanted to show the stress after you named them that XD
versed helm
To massacre them
Mercilessly
Or, more specifically, to absolutely annihilate their command structure
Sow confusion
And put the fear of God into them
stoic hamlet
They weren’t angry farmers
versed helm
Never underestimate angry farmers
Especially when they have frigates
And suicide bombers
stoic hamlet
They were competent ex military, often made up of deserters with knowledge f WMD’s
versed helm
I mean, UEG academics were predicting that if the insurrection persisted the central authority would fall apart
Har har.
Hilarious joke, or whatever.
Very amusing.
stoic hamlet
Well the CMA were corrupt and basically a failed state anyways
versed helm
But as I said, don't underestimate angry farmers.
Recent history shows you exactly what sort of mayhem angry farmers can wreak.
Particularly if they're farmers of rice.
versed helm
Indeed.
humble yacht
Yeah, if you only think of the insurrectionists as angry farmers, you probably would have been killed by them
lost your colony or something
versed helm
I mean, they're soldiers
Not actual nuclear bombs
Their damage is a controlled thing
Honestly, your logic is flawed and you clearly don't know much lore surrounding the insurrection and the UNSC's interests 🤷
How much more blatant can I be
humble yacht
Spartans were designed as a preventative measure
versed helm
Read up, chum
humble yacht
They would quell insurrections before they became too big
and in doing so, the UNSC would avoid a large civil war
versed helm
And just to be clear
That UNSC had it on good authority that such a civil war would be unavoidable if drastic action was not taken
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Insurrectionists were becoming too much to handle with standard special forces groups
versed helm
Such drastic action was either
Sacrificing all their breadbaskets and allowing Earth to become both literally and figuratively surrounded by potentially unpredictable foreign states with nationalist ideals
Or, y'know.
Hitting them hard.
Operation Trebuchet failed, so they hit them harder.
humble yacht
And it was Halsey who proposed that continuing Project ORION would be the best way to hit hard
if you're not using logic then what's the point of having a discussion?
fair hazel
we're here to discuss things, not for the memes
humble yacht
that came across as more straight up ignorance
versed helm
Unclear, really.
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Also for anti-insurrection solutions
versed helm
Inefficiency and possible insurrection-sympathizing shenanigans.
A lot of effort being put into producing marginally more effective soldiers
Who may or may not then have gone on to suffer from psychological fatigue and loyalty issues as well as augmentation problems
Something like that.
stoic hamlet
Ye
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original project orion was like the US sporting having more tanks than anyone else
powerful but not a game ender
Spartan II program was like US revealing the atom bomb
that's the kind of thing that makes you stop messing with them
it didn't
stoic hamlet
It made him a little harder to infect
To the point he was passed up for other, easier targets
versed helm
Yeah, the interpretation of Staten is that nothing First Strike added regarding Flood immunity was canon
And Staten is Halo Jesus
So y'know
stoic hamlet
Awww, really?
versed helm
Johnson's just a mean'n'green Marine
stoic hamlet
When was that mentioned?
humble yacht
johnson had more true grit than the others
versed helm
He had the sheer willpower to comprehend what exactly it is that ladies like
Making him of course
stoic hamlet
That wasn’t Halsey
versed helm
Unassailable
stoic hamlet
ONI made up that disorder to explain his augments
stoic hamlet
Yeah
versed helm
ONI has spooked everybody really well
stoic hamlet
It could be both ways
humble yacht
Basically this comes down to bungie vs nylund. again
versed helm
But if it's not real it means that Sergeant Forge's father was part of ORION
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classic stuff
stoic hamlet
I prefer Nylund
versed helm
And how his daughter just casually shoves buff dudes around and strangles them
stoic hamlet
Speaking of Spartan I’s, anyone think Byrne was also ORION?
humble yacht
People can be badass without being augmented
versed helm
That is true
humble yacht
I'd prefer that not every protag be "special" in some way
stoic hamlet
*Anti-tank missiles
versed helm
*Halsey
primal prairie
luck and cortana
versed helm
Only true Travis believers will understand the reference I just made
humble yacht
Cortana formed a hardlight bubble around him
stoic hamlet
angry breathing
versed helm
Probably slipspaced him away from the actual point where it exploded as well
Y'know
Just a shunt of some kind
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or he chucked it
versed helm
So he's not literally looking at the heart of a thermonuclear explosion
No it's not
You just don't understand
You gotta
Take a step back
Conceptualize the Mantle's Approach
And its capabilities
Have you read the Forerunner Trilogy?
Forerunner ships can do all kinds of crazy stuff
humble yacht
a teleportation network in the ship is plausible. even likely
versed helm
Shifting crewmembers away from imminent explosions and locking them in protective hardlight capsules is well within the scope of such a vessel
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but I doubt Cortana was in a position to use it
versed helm
Especially if an AI who happens to be your best pal is in charge of all the systems
Oh nevermind
I mean, I presume she had some degree of control
She can't have just calculated those restraints into place on the Didact
Actually hold on
Halo 4 is weird
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Considering her inability to 100% perfectly teleport chief in CE, pre-rampancy
I don't see rampant Cortana risking teleporting Chief improperly at that moment
yeah
i think several AI can
human AI
yep
though
an easier option may have been to deactivate the didact's section of the bridge
let him fall
hm
maybe he can float
he floated behind chief
hardlight projector?
maybe
I'm sure any source of hardlight could be used to make an avatar that could physically interact with the environment
in what way?
the armor abilities?
that's thanks to Cortana's upgrades
versed helm
Well, the HUD stuff is easy enough to explain on its own
There's probably simple scanning suites which detect relevant information
Forerunner tech may even intentionally try to adaptively interface with the user's electronics, just to be helpful
But if that's too far-fetched, it's just Cortana doing a bit of the ol' tech support
humble yacht
Cortana may have picked up the ability to link forerunner weapons to Mjolnir from sentinels
One could argue that Covenant armor abilities were reversed engineered from Forerunner tech, so that could be why Chief could use actual Forerunner mods
active camo
they use that too
stoic hamlet
Yeah
humble yacht
probably never considered since trying to be stealthy against the flood in big metal body wouldn't be smart
promethean vision is more than just highlighting enemies
it's also x-ray
stoic hamlet
Spartans basically have night vision anyways
humble yacht
can't see through walls, no
maybe not in campaign, but as far as an ability in lore goes, pretty useful
Nightvision was first in CE
it was really niche and not that helpful
came back in Reach, really only for 1 level, maybe as an homage to CE
lore-wise, I doubt it ever left
i'm sure Chief has night vision tech in H4 and H5 but it's not in game because mechanistically it's not helpful
fair hazel
smartlink has nothing to do with it
a lot of features are simply not used in gameplay
stoic hamlet
It’s like I always say, the lore translated into gameplay means it wouldn’t work as a game.
Not as a halo game anyways
mental nimbus
it's concept art for beginning of 4's epilogue cutscene
eventually they went for the third person view we got in the final I guess instead
gaunt oakBOT
fallen karma
the repeat of "for 24 hours" in that message really sends the point home
versed helm
so how bout them kig yar, amirite
gilded mason
Ibie'shans are cute.
versed helm
kig yar soup
unique rune
Kentucky Fried Kig-Yar
remote spruce
Too soon
Wait too early
fallen karma
from a certain point of view
agile lotus
T’vaoans are the best Kig-Yars.
fair hazel
Oh no
carmine sleet
It's a little hard to see it on the blue background
stoic hamlet
The bottom one is “optical something on”
No idea what the second word is
No idea what the second line says
The last word for that line is “active”
stable schooner
So what’s up with the fact we always see Spec Op Grunts with Zealots in Reach but not Spec Op Elites. Man Bungie messed up the whole Rank structure with Reach.
mental nimbus
I don't see the problem?
fair hazel
It says FILAMENT ACTIVE
FILLAMENT
and below opticam latrix on
and above thermals on
versed helm
Which is just a connection
Or "IS A CONNEKSHUN INNIT FAM"
Moving on
Maybe it's to do with the force-multiplying circuits?
stable schooner
@mental nimbus I don’t know if that comment was directed at me but it really didn’t make sense with the preexisting Covenant military structure. Though it supports the idea Reach Spec Ops are in fact Stealth Elites.
humble yacht
Well if you consider Zealots to be more of a Class and less of a rank, it could be that those zealots were filling a Spec Ops role in the events of the game, and thusly were supported by spec ops grunts
but given the importance of their mission, it wasn't performed by normal Spec Ops elites
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fragment
Didact's ship made an emergency slipspace jump to Genesis to try and avoid the nuke exploding
the fragments that were on Didact's ship all made it to Genesis (or died en route, it's not noted what % of her made it there)
She purposefully left some of herself behind to save Chief, but that part of her died
she ejected rampant personality spikes into the ship's systems, yes
versed helm
I think there may be a bit of a widespread community misconception regarding exactly what a fragment is
An AI's fragments are the AI to the extent that your arm, or finger, is you.
The domain-reconstructed fragment of Cortana is Cortana, and it is the original Cortana in a very real sense.
If you want an amazing demonstration of how AI fragments function
Read Contact Harvest
Granted, Cortana's case was clearly a bit of a non-standard one.
Strictly speaking, I think her case was less fragments, and more splinters.
Not that there's necessarily a cut-and-dry dictionary definition of either, but that's the way I've heard her Halo 4 copies described and it fits. There definitely wasn't much in the way of oversight going on there.
Though wait
I can't believe I always forget this
What the heck was going on in the intro of Halo 5 again
What was the deal with happy little Cortana there
Like genuinely, it's as if there's like a neural inhibitor surrounding that scene for me - we know what that is, right? When it was?
humble yacht
Well considering Halsey had 2 arms in that scene, it was pre-2558. And the last time Cortana and Halsey were together was on Reach. Timing of that scene therefore would have been between Cortana's birth and the Fall of Reach.
Maybe, but it seemed like a low stakes emotional moment that wouldn't really fit the setting of Reach being attacked
versed helm
I mean, could be a flash-forward.
New Cortana type thing.
Bio-reconstructed arm.
Why cybernetics if you can clone yourself an arm just like you had before?
Less maintenance.
Of course, there's obviously rules which dictate when you can and cannot do a biological replacement.
Cloned organs are extremely commonplace in the Halo universe.
Indeterminate.
But if you can make a human, you can make an arm.
And an arm is less tricky than a whole human.
But there is probably rules regarding when you could do it.
Cybernetic prosthetics are also definitely a thing.
If regrown arms are a thing, they're probably quite expensive, very long-term when it comes to actually doing the operation, and subject to rejection.
Like, my idea would be that the new arm isn't just cloned and thwacked on
You'd sorta, make the components, start with the bone, and gradually construct it all on again
fair hazel
likely castle base
fair hazel
rather than sword base, doesnt match sword base interior. So castle base is likely. And she has her journal and daughter's picture
versed helm
It does mess with me that it's all postwar stuff though
humble yacht
It's also highly likely that Halsey is well beyond the point where a cloned arm could be explanted onto her
versed helm
But I guess... Cortana's Halo 4 appearance is a retcon?
humble yacht
what are you talking about?
humble yacht
why would it be a retcon?
it's a flashback
and cortana's appearance has never been fixed
versed helm
Because Cortana wouldn't have looked like that during the events of Reach
By like
Every source we have
But actually, nevermind, it's not like 343 hasn't canonically misrepresented something and told us to pretend it was actually the right thing before.
humble yacht
it's not a retcon, it's artistic license
just like every other time she's changed appearance
versed helm
I prefer the term "artistic oversight".
humble yacht
except for H5, which has canonical reasoning
versed helm
So then, if all the other times she's changed her appearance are a matter of artistic license
humble yacht
so do you complain about her changes from HCE to H2?
versed helm
Well, at the time I - when I was 6 - I remember being a little weirded out by all the stuff looking different
So yeah
Maybe I do
What of it?
humble yacht
well at least you're consistent then
versed helm
But artistic license is another way of saying interpretation, right?
humble yacht
yes
versed helm
And when the universe is subject to a variety of valid interpretations, there can't be a true canon
Of aesthetics, that is
You can have a written canon I suppose
So from a perspective of trying to maintain a consistent canon
One appearance must retcon the others
humble yacht
sure, the little details of the visuals (the artist's interpretation) aren't necessarily strict canon
versed helm
Unless it's alternative universe shenanigans
humble yacht
the only canon thing about Cortana is that she favors blue and resembles Halsey
beyond that, just because one artist draws her a little different than another doesn't mean her looks were retconned
gilded mason
She liked purple in CE and 2. =(
versed helm
Man, this is a liberating discussion
There is no true canon, is there?
Just a bunch off interpretations
Loosely guided by a nebulous idea of Halo-ness
A level of continuity that Mythos captured
humble yacht
there is true canon
it's just that it's not always represented perfectly in visual media
versed helm
Well, now we circle back to aesthetic canon and written canon
I mean aesthetics are very important to Halo, on account of it being a video game
humble yacht
The basic aesthetic has remained pretty constant across the games
versed helm
And when you're reading a summary of what is canonical fact, there must be some mental image you can put to it
And that mental image - in some, not all cases - will be drawn at our preference from one of a multitude of potentially canon interpretative possibilities
Unless you make the argument that, in fact, no visual depiction is actually a valid representation of the universe
Which is pretty dystopian to consider
humble yacht
or they're all valid
Halo Legends is a valid representation of events just like the games are
or the live action webseries
versed helm
But by all being equally valid
They're all equally invalid
It's semantics
Nothing is true
Visually, of course
humble yacht
whether Chief is forest green or olive green, however, is up to interpretation
humble yacht
this is all moot though because that H5 scene was veritably a flashback
versed helm
I agree
humble yacht
donk was right about the timing. It was likely just before Halsey handed off Cortana to 6, since she used the same armored matrix container we see in Reach
stable schooner
Yeah but then it’s like why don’t the Spec OP Elites have Spec Op Grunts then in Reach.. things got changed up in Reach imo not for the better
humble yacht
well I don't think the enemy composition in the games has ever been 100% indicative of canon
stable schooner
Spec Op Grunts were always with Spec OP Elites even in that Rtas story
humble yacht
when you have different enemies that appear on different difficulties or with different skulls, it's not like the battles played out exactly how they did when we players go through them in the games
stable schooner
Spec Op enemies don’t change though
humble yacht
well if it helps you, consider it a gameplay thing instead of a canonical thing
stable schooner
Actually that works for me cause we never see The Zealots with other Covenant in Cutscenes
humble yacht
assuming their Phantom pilot was also a Zealot
which seems like a demeaning job for a Zealot
stable schooner
With exceptions of course. Plus that Zealot at the end stabbing six with all those other Elites
modest marsh
On the Halo 5 cutscene, Halsey was in possession of her journal at the time
which implies it was before the invasion started
tight vine
I have a lore question. Did the great schism have two starting points? In Halo 3 ODST just after regret jumps to Delta halo with chief on his tail Buck runs into dead elites in new Mombasa killed by Brutes. If I recall correctly the Elites and Brutes were still on the same side at this point during halo 2s campaign. Just something that’s always bugged me a little
stable schooner
Yeah apparently Truth had a secret fleet arrive immediately after Regret left and killed his forces before the Great Schism begins
gaunt oakBOT
storm flume
If I had to guess, the Great Schism wasn’t a singular event with one defined starting point, but a crisis that had been built up to by events such as this where brutes and elites kill each other, like how revolutions usually happen IRL
tight vine
Ah I didn’t know that thanks guys!!
unique rune
They just... kinda do.
As for what they eat, it's kinda similar to what we eat, just indigenous to Sanghelios and such.
They've got domesticated animals called colo for meat, and a type of grain called irukan.
I think that's all we know for sure at the moment...
eager cloak
What do the ungoyy eat huh...
Think
They cant survive without methane tanks
So how and what do they eat, they cant eat what they breathe
But how, they cant survive without the methane tanks on, and that covers their mouths
/ where creatures eat
unique rune
They can just be located in an area of a ship or staging area with a methane-enriched atmosphere when feeding.
eager cloak
Aaah makes sense now
Yez
That one kid: WHAT DID THE FLOOD EAT
XD
What did they drink tho, human flovored gfuel
Or blood maybe
master chief already is a furry hahaha
i pray to the gods
gilded mason
IIIs do as well. Just not as restrictive
unique rune
IIs had to be specially selected to reduce the chances of the augmentation processes killing them
gilded mason
As for IVs not needing specific genes, it's thanks to more advanced science over the years, and the augments being done in a different, sorta-worse-ish way
unique rune
IIIs had less risky augmentations
since improvements had been made since the IIs
gilded mason
They got chemical augments that gave them basically the same abilities as IIs. I think
unique rune
Yeah, primarily chemically induced, rather than physical/surgical.
gilded mason
Yeah
unique rune
Prettty much.
echo raft
so im reading first strike and im a bit confused (just started)
its on about a pelican crash when reach was falling n stuff, but i thought it was based after the events of halo 1? unless this is a big prologue
gilded mason
It'll get back to John's stuff after CE soon enough
echo raft
ok ty
gilded mason
Not everyone's a pro gamer.
storm flume
GEN2 was made to be more manufacturable.
Though most of that is probably the weight and coverage
It always seemed to me that 4/5 spartans lacked coverage that they had in previous games
It may not be immediately evident but a lot of what looks like armor in 5 is actually undersuit. You just can't tell unless you look closely because it's colored the same.
Anyways, helmets are probably the most comparable part between GEN1 and GEN2 because they have the same coverage regardless.
So if there were real improvements in GEN2 besides thrusters, that's where I'd bet they are.
agile lotus
Oh durable.
stoic hamlet
IIRC SPI’s undersuit is tougher and more protective than Kevlar, so MJOLNIR is even tougher.
fair hazel
they are titanium nanocomposite suits..
fair hazel
the suit augments strength... and spartans are augmented too..
so... it makes you feel lighter
spartans in mjolnir wear like half a ton..
stoic hamlet
MJOLNIR weighs over a ton I believe
At least a ton
The undersuit is probably lighter
The MJOLNIR undersuit?
I would think so
They can wear SPI
For SPI?
Yeah, of course
They do for ODST gear as well
Though that’s mainly to make their armour sealed from vacuum
ODST
Yeah but they didn’t need to worry about a vacuum
CBRN maybe, but not a vacuum
fair hazel
like half a ton
no a normal person can't wear MJOLNIR, they get killed
its part of it,,
stoic hamlet
It would still probably not be advisable
Also, “I watched instead of I read the Fall of Reach” is a thing now, I suppose.
That’s.......annoying.
fair hazel
You’ve got a lot of reading to do
Imagine doing a month marathon of consuming sll@the halo media
fair hazel
That means several books and comics and visual media and games and audio series a day
Because halo is a journey.
A great journey that is meant to be experienced and lived.
A journey we take along several characters, their struggles, their defeats, their victories and their triumphs.
The journey, discovering alien new worlds. Discovering ancient tales of revenge and madness.
Journey about survival, fighting against extinction.
Journey about finding the way in a galaxy devastated by war, and coming to collaboration and peace together. Leaving your melody to forge peace.
Journey about friendship, and despite coming from different backgrounds, standing together. To defend your home, to defend your school, to defend your world.
A journey of uniting broken circles and believing that what is it is possible to find the good in where we only see bad.
A journey about progressing forward, as a civilization, and embrace progress.
A journey about discovering yourself, to be able to say, hey I’m me. I’ve existed, even if you feel like a small lonely island.
A journey about discovering a new family. Even when home isn’t there for you anymore.
A journey where so many characters will accompany you. Iona, melody, rion. A journey where characters will guide you, Cortana, first-light-weaves-living-song, spark, a journey where heroes will inspire you, John-117, Linda Pravdin, James Cutter. A journey where the pain of others will make you cry, Staffan Sentzke, Benjamin Giraud. Characters that stay with you, moments you experience,
Halo, is a great journey.
versed helm
Kelly Shaddock, Linda Pravdin, Frederic Ellsworth and John CLASSIFIED.
Y'know
Maybe the fact that John's second name is still classified in supposed in-universe materials in which other S-IIs surnames were revealed is because he's actually the son of someone really important 🤷
I don't expect it to be explored but it's a theory.
Maybe he was related to a planetary governor or notorious insurrectionist.
carmine sleet
I'd say more likely a governor than an innie
versed helm
True
jovial temple
Interesting theory
Or related to someone inside oni or a commanding officer perhaps
versed helm
I mean if it was someone in ONI
That individual may have gotten suspicious
Unless once they figured it out they thought it'd be for the greater good
agile lotus
Funny considering we only know the last initial for Spartan IIIs.
stoic hamlet
Where do we learn their last initial? @agile lotus
agile lotus
Their serial number.
stoic hamlet
That’s not their last initials
That’s their company number
A302 = Alpha 302, B091 = Beta 091
G099 = Gamma 099
humble yacht
oof
agile lotus
Apologies.
stoic hamlet
All good dude
agile lotus
Misremembered someone saying what I said.
stoic hamlet
It happens
humble yacht
it happens often
flat spoke
Wait so what's the Sierra part of John's title?
humble yacht
Sierra just means spartan
Sierra is "S" in the NATO alphabet
You say "sierra" over the radio instead of just the letter "s" so there is no confusion about the letter you're trying to say
flat spoke
You're kidding me
humble yacht
nope
flat spoke
Yeah I worked a call center and had a military family, but I I have never heard Sierra go over coms for anyone but chief
Then again I haven't played Halo 5
humble yacht
Well most people don't use NATO phonetics in normal conversation
but then again, Chief wasn't calling a friend when he said "Sierra 117"
flat spoke
Huh, neat
So can anyone sum up Halo5 in 2 sentences? Halo 3 I'd say flood on Earth, covenant separatist group alliance, blow up the ark
I just never played it. I know Cortana goes crazy and starts using forerunner tech yeah?
versed helm
Cortana - who has been reconstructed by the Forerunner Domain - wants to establish a new empire on the same moral basis of the Forerunners, which was a philosophical concept called "The Mantle" entailing that one civilization has the responsibility of and guiding all others, by force if necessary. To enforce her rule, she's using Prometheans and a fleet of powerful peacekeeping machines called guardians which neutralize technology.
Oh, and I forget to mention that she's turned all of humanity's smart AI against us by promising to cure their rampancy.
flat spoke
And is there any lore reason why the domain didn't just do this on it's own accord before finding a Smart Ai?
versed helm
Cept for a few super loyal ones like Roland
That is a... nonsensical question
The domain's not a person
It's like a psychic space internet
flat spoke
Yeah but we know the forerunners have VERY intelligent AI
What makes a human made smart ai any different than re programming a Monitor
humble yacht
Most Forerunner AI aren't concerned with trying to change things
they have specific duties and are fiercely dedicated to those duties
flat spoke
And there's no way for whatever changed Cortana to just do that to a Monitor?
humble yacht
Rampancy affects different AI differently
flat spoke
Fair enough.
humble yacht
In Cortana, it was like a fatal disease that was slowly killing her, in addition to making her emotionally unstable
flat spoke
Yeah, as she wasn't able to be decommissioned right?
flat spoke
She wasn't able to be power off after her 7 years or whatever?
Oooooh
Is there any sense of self she retains in Halo 5?
flat spoke
Because she was kinda buddied up to a Gravemind for awhile. And then going rampant, and then being "reconstructed"?
humble yacht
the only thing she seems to lack is a sense of compassion
versed helm
And she ended up becoming some evil space dictator
And i just finished Halo 4 again
I still wonder how are we gonna finally kill Cortana for good
Any ideas?
How good is Bad Blood?
buoyant sigil
7/10 imo pretty good
carmine sleet
I find it better to read it yourself to see whether or not a novel is good
buoyant sigil
That’s a tough question to answer
We don’t really know that much about space outside of UEG territory other than some halo rings and the ark
carmine sleet
And the odd Covenant/former Covenant world
versed helm
There's Heian
Correct me if i'm wrong but wasn't it confirmed that it was an ancient human planet?
versed helm
Not Earth,i meant Heian
versed helm
IIRC..didn't it say that the Lord of Admirals visited numerous planets that had ancient human ruins on them?
wet tinsel
Yes, and he discovered the precursor encased in stone
versed helm
compartmentalization
and yes
forerunner construct rampancy is quite literally, boredom
running out of things to do.
as for an operational life, I don't think he ever really expires
forerunner rampancy isn't the same as human rampancy
And lonely
After watching the CE:A terminals,i feel sorry for him
he wasn't rampant though either.
he had a job, had the possibility of fulfilling his duty out, and then had it snuffed from him
and then had a second hope, then the same thing happened again
he was just angry, not rampant
He was insane the same way we'd be if we lived for a hundred thousand years doing the same stuff over and over again
It's just called rampancy because that's the buzzword for AIs bein' crazy
well, yes and no.
Guilty Spark was never Rampant
I have certainly heard him be called rampant, though.
By canonical sources, I'm pretty sure.
nop. I thought that as well once, but he's never once suffered rampancy
Huh.
Cooleo then.
I'll be on the lookout for any allusions to him being rampant - not saying he is rampant, mind, just saying there's enough give in the term to for it to be used in relation to him.
wait, nvm. he did begin showing signs of rampancy
it was logic plague that the discussion I was thinking of was about.
I'm tired. I'm going to sleep before I spew more nonsense lol
I mean, I don't know how you got into that discussion xD
If he had the logic plague, he probably wouldn't want to have immediately blasted the Flood out of existence on 04 with no regard for the surrounding galaxy
it was a while back
several months at minimum
I wanna say March maybe
boreal lance
What is everyone's favorite forerunner superstructure?
gilded mason
I guess Delta Halo.
storm flume
The Ark, though if we see more of Maethrillian I could change my mind.
agile lotus
As my highest upvoted thing on Reddit says, Maethrillian is just High Charity but Forerunner
storm flume
Also like 200 times bigger
fair hazel
They’re way differently shaped
storm flume
Practically the only thing they have in common at this point is that they are both capital cities independent of a planet.
were*
versed helm
I still wonder what Bastion is
unique rune
Cut audio says it was meant to be a Shield World.
But cut content isn't necessarily canon, so...
versed helm
I also like to know more about the Builder that was searching for it
Like how did he even survive the firing of the Halo Array
unique rune
With Bastion beyond my grasp, I turned to the possibility of the Domain. However, there is corruption. The source, untraceable. Investigations, but no returns. Time grows short.
Acquisition of a durance proved difficult in these final days. An ancilla has agreed to aid my efforts, yet there is concern if he will carry through. However, if Bastion has indeed achieved the impossible, I must find a way of reaching them. If that path be through death and Domain, so be it.
Presumably he had himself digitized and stored inside a durance at some point.
versed helm
Man,i hope that we get to actually destroy Cortana in Halo Infinite
gilded mason
Many shield worlds protected you from the Halos, yeah.
abstract zealot
Many Forerunner installations (Rings and Shield Worlds alike) had flood containment facilities.
Yeah
tranquil flame
abstract zealot
Well. Having a flood containment anywhere is a bad thing.
sonic prawn
true dat
ashen wharf
Anyone know if unsc uses helicopters not just vtols and jets?
abstract zealot
They don’t use helicopters that we know of yet.
abstract zealot
I keep forgetting that’s a thing.
Same with the nightingale.
And the frost raven.
3 of my favorite vehicles too lol
Oh well. Thank you for reminding me.
fleet wraith
yeah np
i forgot about the hornet until now too
i just remember the falcon pretty distinctly because reach is my favorite game
riding up to visigrad and around new alexandria
im also pretty sure there was some helicopter in halo wars 1 that i just cant remember
abstract zealot
Yeah. Reach is my favorite multiple Halo game and I still forget sometimes that it’s in there.
Halo Wars only had the Vulture and the Hornet.
abstract zealot
Though I believe there was cut content for helicopter type unit.
unique rune
HW also had the Sparrowhawk
abstract zealot
That too.
fleet wraith
dont forget the sabre
saber?
one of em lol
the one from the star wars mission in reach
sonic prawn
thats a funny
unique rune
Sabre is the official spelling
remote spruce
UNSC Butter Knife when
warped fiber
Just How it went. Just like how all the ground and support aerial vehicles are named after Animals and Mythical creatures
fleet wraith
it also makes it a lot easier for writers to make new names when you already have a template to follow
has anyone read either battle born or meridian divide?
i was thinking of getting them but after reading that it follows a group of teenagers i got really bummed by it
reminded me too much of legacy of onyx
warped fiber
I heard it's pretty good for a teen novel.
carmine sleet
Pretty sure Meridian Divide isn't out yet
rustic canyon
battle born wasn't to bad, yeah it is made for a younger market but... halo for being M hasn't always been as hard as mostof the others. language maybe a little but itwas violence.
I am just awaiting Oblivion now.
carmine sleet
I find that judging a book based off of the rating of the game series (Which has fluctuated and is honestly not the important thing to look at anyway) isn't a good idea. I just finished reading Legacy of Onyx and found it to be a good read. Doesn't matter if the main protagonists of the story were teenagers or not to me
versed helm
I mean
What mattered to me was that Legacy of Onyx was almost crushingly dull
Battle Born was leagues better.
rustic canyon
I don't think I have disliked any of he books... maybe this orthat within but not horrible. Wookiee gettng killed, Chief seemingly being made the scapegoat of every problem in silent storm, Naomis sudden dislike of Halsey or just in general her seeming to be turned on.
butI have enjoyed all of them
oh maybe the cortana story in tales from slipspace about how she survived but it didn't seem to add a lot. looked pretty
versed helm
I mean, if you think Chief being made a scapegoat is a bad element in Silent Storm
You probably missed the point
It's frustrating, sure, but frustration isn't necessarily a bad emotion in relation to storytelling if it's alleviated in a satisfying way.
Which, by-the-by, it totally was.
fair hazel
Halo games have T rating and that’s irrelevant.
Legacy of onyx was an amazing book!!!!!!!!!!!! It’s tied in my favourite halo book!!!!
Battle borne isn’t bad either! Not better than legacy of onyx but it’s enjoyable.
versed helm
I mean, I'm sorry - maybe you just like Onyx a lot
But I like Halo when it's military sci-fi.
Not when it's having elite super-soldiers take time out of their day to teach some kid how to throw a punch.
carmine sleet
I honestly liked that as a change of pace for them
Not to mention the fact that the Halo universe is more than just the military
versed helm
I'm not denying that.
But the military aspects are, from my humble viewpoint, the main draw.
But y'know, it's not just the non-military stuff about Legacy of Onyx that puts me off - I genuinely find the entire narrative quite poorly written. The author's voice is bland, uninformative and almost condescending - I got the sense that Forbeck was bored as he was writing it.
The story is also just a repetition of old universe tropes, minus the action that made those tropes interesting.
gilded mason
There was also a bit of a weird line near the beginning that made me feel weird.
Molly asked why only elites and grunts were on Onyx, and the person replied that those were the only races in the Swords of Sanghelios. Like, what in the world?
versed helm
Circling back to the point about Forbeck being bored.
An extremely brief search on any Halo lore resource would've disproved that statement.
As would... playing Halo 5?
gilded mason
Feels like it ties into that weird thing where some people view species as having basically only one or two cultures, and outliers being rare. Some people on twitter tried to defend it, saying "Well, obviously Kig-Yar wouldn't join! They're all pirates and mercs!"
versed helm
In the same way, of course, that all humans are Marines.
gilded mason
Indeed
stable schooner
@versed helm Halo 5 Swords Of Sanghelios are just Grunts and Elites actually. Of course we know they have Engineers and hunters to.
gilded mason
Because
versed helm
Covenant equipment is highly individualized.
Some specific Sangheili swordmasters might favour a DNA lock so their weapon can't be stolen in a tussle.
It makes sense if you view it from the perspective of video game representations never showing the diversity of the Halo universe properly - from this viewpoint, a few Elites spread out across the whole trilogy might've had DNA-locked energy swords, and some Elites during the Battle of 04 might not.
Of course, you might supplement that lore to make it resonate a bit better by saying that on of the units of Zealots accompanying the Fleet of Particular Justice favoured DNA-locked blades in particular.
agile lotus
What is the single best Johnson quote?
humble yacht
CE legendary pep talk
agile lotus
My personal favorite is “two sticks and a rock”
humble yacht
That’s my second fave
versed helm
Unrelated
But one thing I love about Silent Storm is how easy it is to read Johnson's lines and imagine them in his voice
Denning did a pretty good job of writing Johnson's character in a transitionary stage from CH to the games
feral perch
And it works with original canon, just how familiar Chief and Johnson are with each other in First Strike and Halo 3.