Zo Resken is awesome.
#lore-and-universe
gilded mason
humble yacht
I could see the book using the term "honor guard" in reference to that Councilor's guards as a means to give the reader a mental image of that scene, since the reader can mostly likely immediately picture what an Elite Honor Guard looks like
it could have additionally been a point that Zo continued to acknowledge former Elite Honor Guards as their previous title since he liked them
It just doesn't make logical sense that Truth would replace only some of the Honor Guard with Brutes, and not the entire Guard, especially when he was purposefully trying to lower their position within the Covenant
serene idol
Yes
stable schooner
I don’t see how it doesn’t make sense. He replaced the Guard of the Holy High Prophets the Elites with Brutes.
serene idol
Why doesn’t he just not do that?
stable schooner
He doesn’t have control of the Individual Councilors Elite or San Shyuum.
humble yacht
The whole point of being an honor guard, whether among a prophet's personal guard or a guard for any of the high council, is that it's a position of honor
serene idol
Oh
humble yacht
The Elites lost that honor when they "let" a prophet die on their watch
serene idol
This makes very much sense to me and I completely understand
humble yacht
well, having brutes become guards for all of the High Council would give him more influence over them
which sounds like a very Truth thing to do
stable schooner
Buts it a specific part of the union that Elites must be the High Prophets personal Guards. That’s where the outrage comes from.
gilded mason
I found this quote regarding the High Councilors and Honor Guards, Byz:
Things were anything but normal, for the original Sangheili Honor Guard was no more.```that sounds like all Elite HGs were replaced
unless that's not the section Byz had in mind
btw, @gilded mason , what character is "he" in that passage?
obviously some elite
gilded mason
G'torik
humble yacht
who was a field commander, not an honor guard
gilded mason
Ye
stable schooner
Ah thanks Ostral. But it didn’t de facto include the Elite Councilors and some Prophets. Theirs still mention of Honor Guards protecting the Councilors when their betrayed.
gilded mason
Theirs still mention of Honor Guards protecting the Councilors when their betrayed.
Got the quote?
stable schooner
Though I admit I might be wrong I haven’t read the book in like 5 Months but HaloPedia calls them Honor Guards in that part.
humble yacht
But as I originally thought, an Elite high councilor would refuse to be guarded by a Brute honor guard, hence why G'Torik found his doing guard duty unusual
if there were still Elite honor guards around, one of them would have been called
what halopedia entry were you reading, Byz?
stable schooner
Oh the one on Melchus
humble yacht
so the first line of the biography reads:
On November 3, 2552 during the Battle of Installation 05, Melchus was ordered to execute the unsuspecting Sangheili High Councilors and former Honor Guardsmen that were awaiting in the Control Room of Installation 05 to make preparations for the activation of the installation.
former Honor Guardsmen
after that, any reference to Honor Guardsmen likely lacks the "former" descriptor simply to be more concise
stable schooner
True I missed that but functionally and equipment wise they were still Honor Guards. So more De Facto then Dejure
humble yacht
which, there's only one more mention of Honor Guardsmen
equipment-wise, sure, but for an honor-bound race like the Elites, I doubt they considered themselves honor guards after the change
gilded mason
This scene is what the Halopedia entry described when talking about "Melchus managed to leap backwards and killed an Honor Guard that was coming to aid 'Klemmee."
Far from mortally wounded, Melchus leapt back from the energy blade and slammed his hammer down on the other, closer Elite. The Sangheili guardian flew to pieces.```though refusal to accept the Brutes as honor guards would also be par for the course
in the end it depends on who's point of view you're looking at the situation from
from the player/reader perspective, they weren't honor guards anymore. From an Elite's perspective, maybe they still recognized them as Honor Guards
stable schooner
Saying as they were protecting the Elite High Councilors the leaders of the Elites in the Covenant I think they would still consider themselves Honor Guards.
humble yacht
sure
gilded mason
From an Elite's perspective, maybe they still recognized them as Honor Guards
From what I can tell, only Halopedia called them that, while the book just went with 'guard'
humble yacht
but from the outside looking in, they weren't honor guards anymore
and from Truth's perspective, they weren't either
stable schooner
Thanks Again Ostral for the quote. Functionally they were though but I do get your point. The Ones on Gravemind could have easily been protecting High Ranked Elites and Councilors. Cause theirs no way they would avoid losing their equipment for that long.
humble yacht
we don't see many former HGs on Gravemind
stable schooner
9 are seen
humble yacht
they could have been off duty between the changing and the start of the schism
stable schooner
As many as The Brute Honor Guards actually
gilded mason
Or the process was still going on. and they hadn't had the chance to turn in their armor yet, since the turn over only happened yesterday.
stable schooner
Or they could have chose to just not do it.
gilded mason
That too. I could see some being stubborn and not wanting to give up their armor.
stable schooner
Plus what’s up with Post War Honor Guards from Halo Wars 2. Their not Covenant Honor Guards But their Honor Guards.
stable schooner
Their called Honor Guards by Characters
humble yacht
Who calls them that?
humble yacht
Is he referring to elites or brutes or both?
stable schooner
The Elite Honor Guard Unit
humble yacht
So I can think of a few reasons behind that
- they were honor guards previously before leaving the covenant to join the banished, and retained that title for identification purposes
- atriox formed his own honor guard for the Banished, for whatever reason
stable schooner
Have you read their Bio? Their still Honor Guards just not Covenant Honor Guards. And it seems their loyal to the Shipmaster
versed helm
Well, strictly speaking (as I understand it), Honor Guards is the rough English translation of a spectrum of Covenant units with similar purposes and capabilities.
I think there is a single unit which is specifically the Prophet's Honor Guards
But there's a bunch of Honor Guard-like units like those Sangheili crack troops mentioned in Contact Harvest
humble yacht
It would make sense that The Shipmaster would form an honor guard of elites within the banished
versed helm
Uh... The Lights of Helios or something?
potent fulcrum
is henry from mona lisa the arbiter?
humble yacht
Nope
gilded mason
is henry from mona lisa the arbiter?
No
potent fulcrum
that'd be cool
versed helm
He definitely died
potent fulcrum
lopez aswell?
versed helm
No surviving a tussle with Lopez
stable schooner
It says Honor Guards are selling their services. So it’s not Banished Exclusive
versed helm
And I doubt either of them would've had time to clear out
I mean, I genuinely believe that is there's one Marine who could overcome an Elite hand-to-hand, it's Lopez
humble yacht
What’s the exact unit description?
Could easily be another instance of omitting “former” for ease
Or, maybe they’re selling their guard services within the banished
versed helm
"These mercenaries are the infantry bodyguard of Let 'Volir"
Checked the Pheonix logs just then
humble yacht
Heyo!
versed helm
"Borrowing the ceremonial gear and matching the martial prowess of the old Covenant Honor Guard, these mercenary swordmasters evoke the traditions and accomplishments of their forebears..."
Etc etc
stable schooner
That doesn’t not make them Honor Guards Though. Thanks Looters I didn’t feel like redownloading Wars 2 just to read that log.
versed helm
That doesn't make the Honor Guards of the Covenant, specifically.
These dudes are a new thing.
A crack unit within the Banished formed as a protective unit of their officer, using tried-and-true military traditions.
stable schooner
“Their Still Honor Guards just not Covenant Honor Guards”
versed helm
Right.
They're Banished Honor Guards.
And I mean, they're also Sangheili swordmasters so I'd maybe not bring the distinction up to their faces.
stable schooner
Exactly the Covenant doesn’t hold a monopoly on who can be called a Honor Guard.
versed helm
Technically humanity does because "Honor Guard" is the English approximation xD
It's entirely possible they call themselves something completely different from the old Honour Guard
But UNSC troops look at their similar equipment and style and fall back on familiar terminology which ends up getting into official usage
stable schooner
I mean Pavius a Brute Called them Honor Guard. Plus theirs always the possibility their a pre Covenant Sangheili Unit
humble yacht
But not really though, right?
I mean, like with halo 2, it’s translated for the player’s sake, but it’s not like they were actually speaking English to each other
So any English terms heard would be the closest English equivalent to what they said
stable schooner
Yeah Pavium I’m just dumb and keep letting autocorrect do it’s thing.
buoyant sigil
Did the UNSC have any form of “honor guard” to protect people in UNSC high command and UEG high ranking politicians?
versed helm
I mean, not exactly I don't think. High ranking UEG politicians (if their safety was in question) would likely, as today, rely on civil law enforcement or private security contractors.
When it comes to the protection of people and assets of high value to the UNSC, of course... Well, the UNSC has a wide spectrum of very capable special forces groups and crack infantry formations.
NavSpecWar operators, ODSTs, Army special forces units, ONI's security forces - any of the above could feasibly be assigned to run a protection detail for whatever or whoever, based on availability or specialization in relation to the perceived threat. A lot of the time it'd just be bog-standard MPs.
That said, it wouldn't surprise me if the highest echelons of the UEG had something akin to the US secret service.
flint pike
Hey guys I haven't posted at all in here but I made a pretty lore heavy video and I was wondering if it was ok that I share a part of it on here
if thats allowed
its on google drive currently
versed helm
it'd go in #471727324895641651
flint pike
Alright thanks
versed helm
np
stoic hamlet
Pretty sure the UNSC does have protection details for diplomats.
versed helm
But the question is, would these protection details be permanent fixtures in the same way as the Covenant Honor Guard, or would they just be available military units given the mission to serve in that way.
My stance is that the UNSC doesn't have anything analogous to an Honor Guard as a specific unit, but many units that could potentially serve in that role.
stoic hamlet
IIRC there was a specific sight in H5 meant for use with a “Diplomatic Corps” (I think that was the term used) which to me seems like it nit be a dedicated unit.
Or yeah, it could be like the Queens Guard, several military units have preformed the role from all over the Commonwealth.
full forge
Poor Henry.
remote spruce
Cricket bat in Infinite pls
clever fable
🏏
inner basin
Henry was one of the coolest Sanghelli ever, besides the obvious duo of Thel and Rtas.
buoyant sigil
It honestly surprises me how the UNSC managed to survive as long as they did with such small and weak vessels. Even the Valiant class and Punic class capital ships were fairly weak compared to covenant ships such as the CCS.
rigid ferry
So what confuses me is that Grunts breath a mixture of gasses, one of them being methane
Which is explosive if it makes a mixture of a i r
So if has a bullet hole, and their organs pump whatever kind of methane oxygen whatever the same way ours do, that means they would explode if they got shot?
trail flame
Maybe, but I doubt the heat from a single bullet would ignite the mixture
feral perch
It would be interesting to know what happens if you boil one like a lobster.
trail flame
Well
feral perch
I wonder if Unggoy flesh is edible, and if edible, does it taste good?
trail flame
It would cook?
It's probably not very compatible with our digestive systems to be honest
carmine sleet
Everything is edible to some extent, just it would be frowned upon to eat things like Grunts and other members of the Covenant
fair hazel
probably not to to the jiralhane
rigid ferry
I mean the majority of the grunts outside is either scales or a tough leathery skin
it could be good in the inside
chilly bloom
Yeah. Maybe if you skin it
humble yacht
given that Grunts breathe methane, I have a feeling their flesh would be toxic to us
humble yacht
hm
obsidian thistle
It wouldnt taste that nice if its like an actual Hermit Crab like some media have described it as.
rigid ferry
I mean if i were stranded somewhere and there was some grunts
humble yacht
Well since they don't breathe oxygen, I wonder if they're not carbon-based lifeforms
rigid ferry
I wouldn't hesistate
humble yacht
in which case, that could lead to them being toxic
rigid ferry
Carbon is the building blocks of life, we're made of carbon
humble yacht
like, if they were silicon-based, you couldn't eat them
yeah but carbon based life metabolizes oxygen
rigid ferry
H m
humble yacht
without oxygen, you can't have the ATP generation required for cellular activity that we understand from modern science
humble yacht
no, they breathe actual methane
so whatever metabolics go on in a grunt require methane to function
rigid ferry
I mean theres a formula for methane which uses H20
rigid ferry
CH4 + H2O ⇌ CO + 3 H2
humble yacht
oh, a reaction you mean
rigid ferry
AAA
didn't realize that
thats the combustion
i mean we don't know if they actually are toxic to eat
i mean the brutes threaten to eat them
and brutes are the most mammilian species in the covenant
or maybe they built up a resistance?
humble yacht
i mean
it could simply be a threat
or it could be their alien physiology that would allow them to eat them
I'm just postulating the potential for Grunts to be non-carbon-based since they don't breathe oxygen
humble yacht
the most likely alternate element that could support life would be silicon, given its position on the periodic table and its similarities to carbon
most silicon compounds are non toxic to us, but we can't get nutrition out of them
rigid ferry
Brutes are bottom feeders so I think they'd eat a grunt body
humble yacht
so if a grunt were silicon based, it might not make you sick to eat, but it wouldn't be exactly healthy
rigid ferry
love how we've been discussing if we could eat a grunt
humble yacht
it's not the first time that question has been brought up
rigid ferry
oh huh
humble yacht
Grunts have been said to have similar physiology to terrestrial crustaceans, so I wouldn't be surprised if their meat resembled lobster or crab.
rigid ferry
it'd be nice to see a novel where some rich human peeps just eat grunt then
humble yacht
fun fact: lobster used to be prison food because people didn't like it
humble yacht
fun fact 2: bacon used to be cheap and unpopular until the pork industry started heavily marketing it
Spartan Branch doesn't have traditional ranks
humble yacht
because they're all spartans, they're treated equally among each other
rigid ferry
oh
humble yacht
they have specializations
and I guess, if you take Spartan Ranks 1-152 as canon, then they'd be separated by battlefield experience
rigid ferry
i wonder why the switched from a altered navy ranking system to just spartan
gilded mason
fun fact: lobster used to be prison food because people didn't like it
Wasn't that mainly because it was old lobster and they basically mashed the entire thing up into paste?
humble yacht
it was Musa's idea
rigid ferry
eh
rigid ferry
alright thanks
humble yacht
@gilded mason Prior to this time, lobster was considered a poverty food or as a food for indentured servants or lower members of society in Maine, Massachusetts, and the Canadian Maritimes. Some servants specified in employment agreements that they would not eat lobster more than twice per week, however there is limited evidence for this. Lobster was also commonly served in prisons, much to the displeasure of inmates. American lobster was initially deemed worthy only of being used as fertilizer or fish bait, and until well into the 20th century, it was not viewed as more than a low-priced canned staple food.
it's not about how it was prepared; it was just that lobster wasn't considered appealing to eat
then for some reason, rich people in the 19th century developed a taste for it, and it became a delicacy
rigid ferry
so grunt meat could be labelled a delicacy for rich peeps?
humble yacht
i doubt it
rigid ferry
i mean there could be a whole plot where they disguise grunt meat as lobster or something
that'd be interesting to see
humble yacht
that just sounds silly
gilded mason
https://www.10best.com/interests/food-culture/how-lobster-went-from-prison-trash-food-to-delicacy/
This seems to say it was because after death, lobster tends to turn foul very quickly, so most people never tasted how they were fresh.
humble yacht
:/
ah, yeah, that could be true. canned and preserved foods were pretty popular back then
i could see how something that didn't can well wouldn't be popular
gilded mason
Ye
strong pelican
Mmmmhmmm
humble yacht
nowadays the trend is all about fresh and farm-to-table
fossil eagle
We need a mission in Infinite where UNSC Jotun farming equipment breaks down so you must physically push farming equipment around for 8 hours while marines reap, thresh, and winnow the space wheat.
Sergeant Stacker can bale the wheat up too.
stoic hamlet
its almost harvesting season intensifies
versed helm
I have much knowledge of the Unggoy Rebellion
My only deepest question is: Why was there no Assault Rifle(MAC5) on Earth during Halo 2?
*M1A5
**MA5
unique rune
I don't think an in-universe reason was ever given...
vocal nova
The 60 round one was outdated and they were developing a new one?
unique rune
The MA5 series is old, I don't think development factors into it.
Plus ODST takes place pretty much concurrently with Halo 2, and Buck uses an MA5C.
Not to mention that there's a bunch of MA5Cs scattered throughout the city.
vocal nova
Ah, good point
versed helm
When did they start developing the BR?
unique rune
Before the Human-Covenant War.
versed helm
I assume it was rare and only limited so we don’t see it on Reach
unique rune
XBR-55 prototypes were being used in Contact Harvest.
I think Reach's canon reason for not having them was because you primarily encounter UNSC Army soldiers (and thus Army supplies), rather than Marines.
warm wolf
I'm wondering when we will get to see a side game, film or animation about the ancient human's home world. Got a little information about it in books and the Halo 5 hellcat armor. Not much else.
stoic hamlet
@versed helm the MA5B and -C were both present on Earth during Halo 2, in lore they were used by UNSC forces during Metropolis, Bungie didn’t include them in H2 to try and diversify the sandbox.
versed helm
Okay interesting
stoic hamlet
And yeah, Reach was primarily Army (with UNSC Marines only showing up in the form of ODST’s and on the last checkpoint of the last level, where you’re defending the MAC gun.
And the Army just prefers older equipment, the MA37 (MA5A, technically) and the M392 DMR, the predecessor to the BR55.
stoic hamlet
Confused as to their roles or their appearance?
stoic hamlet
Well, Marines are usually deployed from ships, as part of expeditionary forces or in the case of the Human Covenant War as Rapid Response Picketts, whereas Army are garrison troops, the soldiers already on the ground, in the mud and the trenches, backed up by tanks and artillery and entrenched positions.
versed helm
So the ‘soldiers’ we’ve been fighting along Reach were the Army meanwhile the Marines escorted everyone off and boarded the Pillar of Autumn?
stoic hamlet
Yeah, aside from when you were with ODST’s, who are part of the Marines.
versed helm
Okay that makes sense thanks
Also what happened to the Marines that went with Chief, Keyes, and Johnson on the last part of The Covenanr level. Did they all die or just regroup somewhere? Literally Johnson looks like the only Marine alive after Truth is killed.
stoic hamlet
Johnson’s Team was all KIA
Keyes should have had like, Pilots and stuff with her, so chalk it up to Bungie’s “action movie” Halo 3 mindset.
A lot of stuff in Halo 3 is dumb, tbh
versed helm
Huh
I guess they wanted Chief, Arbiter, and Johnson to be the last Deus-Ed Machinas to end the story.
A d*mn way to end a game 6 years after it’s first title
Let’s not forget our buddy Chips Dubbo who’s fought in every major battle with the Chief
My man Chips is a war hero
He should have his own game lol
stoic hamlet
Well not every battle
The events of Installation’s 04, 05 and 00, but certainly not every major battle of the war.
versed helm
Yeah I meant like game wise lore
But how’s he with Chief on Delta Halo if he’s back on Earth with Buck and the ODSTs??
That’s very old
*odd
stoic hamlet
He’s on Delta Halo
Canonically
We can’t take the VA’s as evidence of where or when someone appears
versed helm
Oh okay
remote spruce
Probably why 343i hasn't addressed the issue
They established Stacker as a character but not his background
versed helm
When Private Wallace Jenkins was the first to prove that being infected by the Flood isn’t so bad
remote spruce
Theoretically, Stacker somehow survived CE, but that's a tricky thing to explain
stoic hamlet
So did Reynolds (I think he was also a sergeant during CE, or was he introduced in H3?)
remote spruce
Halo 3
Unknown if he dies or not, he alternates between Stacker
From a gameplay standpoint, kinda replaces Banks
stoic hamlet
IIRC Banks also appears in Halo 3 as well, no?
stoic hamlet
Could be his specific model is made a rare spawn?
remote spruce
Possibly
Sergeants are set spawns, they just alternative between Stacker and Reynolds, Banks isn't part of that
stoic hamlet
I wasn’t aware of that. Makes sense.
So yeah, could just be his model is a “rare pick” or something.
remote spruce
Reynolds may have died
Floodgate shows a sergeant being killed, no way to save normally
lethal cave
@versed helm
Most of the marines were evacuated before the citadel itself was stormed. They left aboard the Shadow of Intent, as Shipmaster mentions in the final level's intro
stoic hamlet
*Rtas Vadum
remote spruce
Funny how the guy in HW2 is known as Shipmaster, and the name kinda stuck
stoic hamlet
They’re aliens, they don’t deserve respect.
Silly goose.
gilded mason
lol
stoic hamlet
😆
sonic prawn
hmmm
carmine sleet
Where did you read that?
remote spruce
It's canon enough
Really they would be redundant given how there are SIVs that are trained for Flood extermination
rigid ferry
I mean theres a mega blocks set with a Infected cyclops
but uh discount lego probs isn't canon
obsidian thistle
Should I tell you... cause I think I should tell you. Mega Construx is canon.
To a certain degree
buoyant sigil
But why
obsidian thistle
Cause it is. Thats the reason why xD
unique rune
well
there's not really anything saying it isn't canon
fair hazel
Excuse me. It’s not discounted LEGO. It’s better than LEGO and it’s called mega construx. Thank you.
There’s lots of flood based equipment sprtans can access
obsidian thistle
Which reminds me I need to get the protocols onto the wiki.
stable schooner
Any lore where Brutes used Brute Plasma Rifles pre Schism?
When Truth and the Brutes Betrayed the Elites
Yeah checking HaloPedia it was a Schism and beyond exclusive weapon so good to know
humble yacht
primitive relative to who?
stable schooner
To the Elites and Prophets, it’s because they were a tier below them and a race who literally nuked themselves a tier back
humble yacht
well compare the gravity hammer to a freaking space ship
stable schooner
But just like the rest of the Brute Weapons it’s a metal not Plasma based weapon showing their more primitive tech
humble yacht
primitive doesn't mean weak or dumb, it just means not as intellectually or technologically advanced
A hammer that uses gravity to amplify its crushing power is powerful, but primitive compared to a sword made of super-heated ionized gas that is kept in form by an electromagnetic field
stable schooner
Dang beat me to it what Chimera said
And the Spiker is literally a gun that shoots heated metal Spikes
humble yacht
spiker and brute shot are closer to your standard projectile weapons than things like the Plasma Rifle or the Needler
honestly, needler might be the most advanced gun the covenant use. that thing is stupid advanced
yes, but not the needler
lol, "proximal resonance instability". sounds like some made up science term from a CW show
on the Forerunner combat scale?
it's not that confusing
did you see how Didact tossed him around like a ragdoll?
gravity manipulation
real gravity manipulation
well the Didact was applying force to the shields, so I it would make sense why they'd flare
¯_(ツ)_/¯
ebon coyote
a bullet is faster than a knife and transfers more kinetic energy...knives no matter how skillfully wielded aren't...theya re to slow...like why do some projectile pass through certain materials...and others cant
humble yacht
I imagine the force of the Didact's telekinesis is much greater than that of a knife attack
well then maybe it's the opposite. maybe the force of Didact's grip wasn't enough to pop the shields, but still made them react
ebon coyote
but in most asaassinations strikes are directed toward the CNS...once that's gone commands from the brain arent being received by the armor anymore
its like a puppet with no strings
humble yacht
or maybe because it was an energy field instead of an object with mass
so the shields bugged out cause they were confused
ebon coyote
no the shields bugged out because as far as they are concerned the armor is now inert
humble yacht
what does that mean, inert?
ebon coyote
think about this...if someone jabs you with a knife in your stomach...you feel it and you can still react....someone jabs you in the spine (in the right area) your out like a light
humble yacht
What does that have to do with the didact's constraint field?
ebon coyote
correct
bullets are kinetic projectiles
plasma weapons and knives arent
glad i could help
now that one i DONT have an answer for
humble yacht
plasma bolts have kinetic energy
as they have mass and velocity
but they also emit energy in form of heat
Didact's constraint field is, as far as we know, a force with no mass
ebon coyote
so its like trying to fight an enemy that isn't there??
humble yacht
so it's either a gravitational field or an electromagnetic field
ebon coyote
gravtational field makes sense because in one of the books the Spartans were captured by rebels using gravity plating...cranked it up to 10Gs and the spartans were rendered unconcious by the armor safeties
lmao
humble yacht
the shield flaring when Didact grips him could be due to the shields being unable to reconcile a force being applied to the chief without any mass behind it. It simultaneously felt like an attack while also not feeling like an attack
humble yacht
it was enough force to immobilize him despite all his enhanced strength, but there was nothing for the shield to block or repel
No, he's not a Jedi
there is a science behind the Didact's ability
it's just a poorly understood science
ebon coyote
i would just like to state for the record (and then apologize for the record) that im not a star wars fan...i am a trekkie and im sorry if this offends anyone
humble yacht
didact's constraint field then could be more closely related to Star Trek tractor beam
it's a testament to how advanced the Forerunners were compared to humanity
well
those weapons used hard light
they are, but that's really just a limitation of artists' imaginations
ebon coyote
i will say that 343 did muck up the Suppressor even on legendary unless at point blank range (which gets you killed via an undodgeable melee attack) it cant hit you
or is it just me??
remote spruce
Suppressor is decent
humble yacht
homing ricochet
remote spruce
you have to charge forward but it's good for destroying Knight's shields
ebon coyote
im not a weapons guy so i don't know how ricochets work lol
BUT
dosent birdshot do the same thing when striking aharsh surface??
humble yacht
yeah
ricochet is normally dependent solely on angle of contact (assuming the collision is partially inelastic)
ebon coyote
ok so looking at the Knights armor it DOES have a lot of unwieldly angles
my favorite (forerunner) weapons are the Binary Rifle and the incineration cannon
LOVE those things
picking off infantry with the binary rifle or blasting through wraiths with the incineration cannon
has no clue
humble yacht
probably because they're made of that programmable matter Forerunners love to use
remote spruce
maybe if they come apart the Flood can't use them?
ebon coyote
ok this is a stupid question but imma ask it anyways....has anyone here played Borderlands??
the reason i ask is because the tediore weapons remind me of forerunner weapons
in that they assemble themselves with reloaded...in much the same way the forerunner weapons assemble themselves with first picked up
humble yacht
assemble themselves?
ebon coyote
idk why but that was a stray thought i thought to voice
humble yacht
I've used tediore weapons and don't remember self assembly animations
ebon coyote
when you reload them they digitize in
like i said it was stupid lol
😛
ahhh poor claptrap
humble yacht
oh you're talking about tediore guns where you toss them away to reload and they explode
humble yacht
yeah, i don't see that as similar to forerunner tech
humble yacht
because Forerunners would whip his butt
I wonder where Samus's Varia Suit would fall on the Combat Skin scale
Didact was never killed
Blue Team did not kill Didact, though
no one
sort of
ebon coyote
wait wasnt he killed when he fell into the composer than had a nuke dropped on him (per se)
humble yacht
Chief dropped him into a bunch of composers
they exploded
Didact was forcefully Composed
probably not because Didact performed experiments on himself long ago that rendered him immune to traditional composing
he wasn't turned into a Knight
ebon coyote
ok i need to address the elephant in the room here...what about Cortana...as much as i despise Halo 5s Campaign i don't feel it can be retconned even if it could be im not sure it would be
humble yacht
nobody is thinking of retconning anything, so not sure why that's a concern
343 has said a few times now that Infinite will continue the continuity of Halo 5
ebon coyote
ok thats a tough one
versed helm
but how come something with every known advancement in human history in its memory cant get into a suit, i mean while i like the idea that hasley is that smart that she can block out cortana, cortana is an all powerful AI now, and she has most of the codes for unsc info, im just sayin its hard to believe they have anti AI gear
humble yacht
Well Halsey's mind is the reason Cortana is so advanced
so it's not surprising that Halsey would think to develop anti-AI tech
versed helm
i know, but she proved very early on in her existance that she could crack UNSC codes very quiickly
humble yacht
yeah but they weren't Halsey codes
versed helm
true, however cortana has basically hasleys brain, if hasley can think of a flaw, cortana is already on it
stoic hamlet
Two halves?
No
She can fragment herself, but all Smart AI can do this
Arguably all AI period can do this
stoic hamlet
It was a fragment
They can though, IIRC, she can do it better because it helps with infiltration.
But Smart AI can fragment themselves as needed
versed helm
all im saying is it seems a little unrealisitic to say that humanity with out assistance of most AI could come up with an anti AI system in that short of a timeframe
humble yacht
During the events of Reach, there were two Cortanas: most of her was on the Autumn, but she left a fragment of herself with Halsey to work on research (this fragment was given to Noble 6 to deliver to Keyes)
humble yacht
Black Box, for instance, cannot fragment himself as well as Cortana
BB's fragments are all equivalent to dumb AI
stoic hamlet
But he can fragment himself, which is what I mean.
humble yacht
Cortana is the only one capable of making fragments that retain all of her functionality and personality
humble yacht
Well I'm not sure about that, actually
stoic hamlet
Also nah fam, Sif best AI
humble yacht
the only other smart AI we know for sure can fragment is BB
stoic hamlet
Didn’t Mack also fragment himself
stoic hamlet
AI in Contact Harvest
She isn’t the best of the best now though.
She’s outdated in a few areas, Roland and his class of AI is better IIRC, as is BB’s gen. (I think)
So can other AI
She just has a head start because of her time on Installation 04/00
humble yacht
AI creation tech may have improved after Cortana, but Cortana is still the only AI made from a living brain
not to mention, it was Halsey's brain
humble yacht
well, maybe she could have been considered outdated before reaching the domain
stoic hamlet
Yeah, that’s what I mean
As a UNSC AI she’d have been outdated
But with the domain she’s now one of he most powerful
humble yacht
but not necessarily outmatched
stoic hamlet
Mhm
humble yacht
Win XP vs Win Vista
stoic hamlet
Yes
humble yacht
Cortana lasted a pretty long while, all things considered
stoic hamlet
We have examples of AI lasting up to a decade post rampancy date, Julianna in Cole Protocol, for example.
Gaining too much information, they can’t really compartmentalize it and they go mad
stoic hamlet
It’s possible to outlast it by going into a sort of stasis, allowing them to sift through the information, which is what Mack and Loki on Harvest did, allowing them to work for around a century.
versed helm
Cortana got so much information from the first Halo ring we saw in CE
stoic hamlet
But you need a specific facility IIRC, and they’re the only known examples
stoic hamlet
^
No
That, plus all the data she had already consumed
Plus she was past her rampancy date
7 years is a “cutoff” date, the amount of time it’s safe for a Smart AI to still be in working order, kind of thing
They can go longer
But it’s risky
Yeah, kind of
humble yacht
deterioration begins after 7 years, but the rate of deterioration will depend on the AI
stoic hamlet
And the info they’ve absorbed
humble yacht
Some AI don't risk it and self terminate to avoid the negative effects of rampancy, like Serina
which is standard protocol for UNSC AI
stoic hamlet
Serina was smart, she understood the risk she potentially posed to the crew D:
humble yacht
Serina wasn't exactly struggling with her identity like Cortana was
she was an AI and she knew it
stoic hamlet
Aye
stoic hamlet
I mean Cortana at least originally, seemed to (and IIRC remains) the only AI who actually seemed to be having an identity crisis, every other AI seemed content in their positions.
humble yacht
Serina was beginning to go rampant
that's why she made the mistake of keeping the infected crew member
stoic hamlet
IIRC she didn’t realize it was aboard and woke an engineer to investigate a faulty panel, which was caused by the Flood form, which then infected the crew member.
But yeah, that
humble yacht
after that mistake, she realized she was becoming dangerous and self terminated
versed helm
smart are adaptive dumb arent
humble yacht
smart AI are made from human brains
humble yacht
dumb AI are more like traditional programs
live human brain
every other smart AI was made from a dead person's brain
limpid meadow
Cloned human brain, more accurately
humble yacht
Cloned so Halsey didn't kill herself in the process of making Cortana
limpid meadow
The AI creation process destroyed the brain being scanned
humble yacht
cause that would have kind of defeated the purpose
limpid meadow
lol yep
humble yacht
yep
limpid meadow
Very
limpid meadow
Very
She literally recycled the cloning technology and techniques used for the Spartan-IIs
versed helm
and she killed something that may not of communicated, but it was going through a lot of pain during the AI making process
humble yacht
i find it fascinating that the flash cloning process retains the subjects memories
limpid meadow
It doesn't
Halsey specifically had to figure that process out prior to the Spartan-II program
humble yacht
oh
limpid meadow
She talks about it in her journal
humble yacht
well then, that's fascinating
humble yacht
though it begs the question
why she couldn't use that technique to create an AI matrix
if both processes map brains
limpid meadow
It doesn't really map out the brain, the memory transfer. Let me see if I can find the text.
humble yacht
the cognitive impression modeling used to create the Riemann matrix creates a neural map that is used as the initial seed for an AI's matrix
Halsey's method used a scanning process to create a virtual map of a person's neuronal connections
the two sound very, very similar
humble yacht
yeah. I can't help but wonder if it would be an effective substitute to using cadavars
limpid meadow
Assuming it's not as simple as "Halsey never told anyone", there must be some reason the virtual map is insufficient.
humble yacht
at first I thought it might be due to the depth of the mapping
but when you read about the 2 processes, Halsey's mapping method actually is better at creating a memory map of a subject, since smart AI tend to only retain some memories of their progenitor instead of all
based on that, it must be that CIM is mapping more than just memories to create a reimann matrix
but if both processes map every connection in the brain, I can't see what CIM does that's better
abstract zealot
I find the process of the AIs fascinating.
limpid meadow
It absolutely is
abstract zealot
AIs are probably my 4th favorite part of Halo.
fair hazel
I was watching Tesla autopilot presentation and thought of ai. Halo too. And neural net. Thought of Halo too
fierce oak
you do realise an AI is just a RNN-N right? unshackled (the good kind) requires all the mess but for an AI to follow orders, RNN-N
or an RNN-M they pretty much are the same thing 😐
fierce oak
RNN recurent neural network, the -N/-M is network or mesh, a network of RNN's will enable AI to be "born" a shackled AI (no freedom to interpret orders and execution) needs a minor bit more code, an unshackled (the opposite of shackled... obviously) needs a few million lines and will be like 20TB of space (10 for the AI itself 5 for gained data, and 5 as buffer/ emergency)
i can go deeply into this and the pros and cons of both AI types
and also why cortana, though unshackled, is a shackled AI for various reasons (planned death anyone?)
fair hazel
It’s not a built in planned death.
fierce oak
it is
fair hazel
They start undergoing rampancy, not because they code it. They kill them manually
fierce oak
if the AI is in the middle of galactic nowhere, manually doing it is not an option, so they code it in... sub system i think it falls under, to ensure it follows through, if you renew the data every year or so an AI can last till it dies, o hand renew the hardware, but that is a given
unique rune
Smart AIs can initiate their own termination
fierce oak
nnnnnnnnnnot quite
fair hazel
If you “renew data” (what data?) every year it doesn’t increase its lifespan
fierce oak
no, but it stops data corruption
unique rune
Serina self-terminated in the roughly three decades the Spirit of Fire was lost in space, so...
fair hazel
AI, especially smart AI in halo does not necessarily equate to certain types of real life ai and concepts In real life
fierce oak
yes... yes they do
the methods are different, but the core is the same
i should know, i have access to one
on this you are fighting a losing battle, best to admit you have a fair few holes in your information and data and we can leave it here
fair hazel
No. That’s not how any of it works.
unique rune
I mean.
You're the one making assumptions based off of real-life information that doesn't necessarily apply to artificial intelligence in the Halo universe, so...
fierce oak
and how would you know, you program AI or work on/with one on the regular?
fair hazel
Halo is fiction and does not necessarily take everything from real life. It has a base but not everything works the same.
fierce oak
i know... acutely
fair hazel
You know what you seem to be familiar with.
That is not the same thing as in halo necessarily.
We work with evidence based reasoning.
Not speculative as fact.
versed helm
also halo is 500 years in the future, 500 years ago we thought the world was flat, so may things could change
fair hazel
Source required
fierce oak
and am not working on speculatory fact
fierce oak
500 years in the future using percussion weapons
versed helm
ohh, sorry
fierce oak
when they have the tech to A, make super soldiers, B, FREAKING INFRANTRY RAIL GUNS YO!, C interplanetary and intersystem ships
fair hazel
What?
fierce oak
what
fair hazel
Also frog. Many people knew the world wasn’t flat
unique rune
Most of that 5 centuries was focused on exploration and expansion, not war.
No real reason to invest in fancy experimental weapons when traditional ballistics are consistent and reliable. Just spend time iterating on those and future-proofing them.
fierce oak
it's redundancy
and militaries are rife with them
because it is better to have and not need then not have and oh so need
fair hazel
Energy storage mediums
fierce oak
not to mention rn we are working on railguns to mount to ships, and it is going along nicely... though heat is an issue
fair hazel
Why are kinetic chemical propellant based weapons are used is due to how much more energy efficient they are.
fierce oak
if you wanna pull nit picking i can call out al lthe flaws and how beyond outdated the UNSC is, given we have working railguns now, and in 500 years we'd probably have supercharged particle cannons
fair hazel
We don’t have widespread working railguns
fierce oak
not yet i know that
humble yacht
It’s fiction. It doesn’t have to follow modern science. They can and do take liberties
humble yacht
But not in the areas you’re arguing
fierce oak
that's cause am getting puddles not spring boards
fair hazel
What?
fierce oak
as per usual the halo community is just as bad as i remember it
versed helm
as well as, the original concept of the game was made at least 15 years ago, and many of the weapons , like railgun, were science fiction
fair hazel
I’m guessing from you saying percussion. That English isn’t your main language
What? You have no need to start insulting people when things don’t go your way
unique rune
Aaaand he's gone.
versed helm
and even if we are being rude, you cant say that about the entire comunity of more than 1000000 people
oof
versed helm
what do yall wanna talk about
humble yacht
He probably didn’t even know that Cortana purged the kill codes that Halsey put in her all on her own
fair hazel
Thinking about the possibility of ship malls of some sort in halo
humble yacht
Oh pls no
fair hazel
Like a mall that’s a ship. Or inside a cruise ship a big mall.
unique rune
Finished playing through ODST's campaign yesterday.
Had forgotten how much the audio logs really add to the game.
Bit of a shame no new media has gone anywhere with Mike.
humble yacht
Freudian slip
fair hazel
Autocorrect
fair hazel
Civilian
versed helm
im confuzzled
fair hazel
Not military. Civilian mall ships and cruise ships
humble yacht
Maybe on a civilian vessel but not on something like Infinity
A cruise vessel, sure
Go for it
fair hazel
Well infinity would probably have something similar
humble yacht
I doubt it
versed helm
the military people are still people
fair hazel
Not like a mega mall but, at least food wise.
humble yacht
Yeah but while on the ship they’re working
fair hazel
Long term missions. And t does have a civilian complement.
versed helm
brb
humble yacht
A mall would be a waste of space on the Infinity
fair hazel
So shopping area if some kind?
humble yacht
Given it was originally intended to be the last home for humanity if they lost the war, I don’t see them taking up space with shops and restaurants
You really gonna try to sell stuff your fellow remnants of humanity?
At most I’d see infinity having a small gift shop so crew can bring something back for their kids or something
(Current Infinity since it was repurposed into an exploratory vessel)
versed helm
kinda off topic but do ether of you wanna play halo 5?
fair hazel
Needs the stuff to keep a society working
humble yacht
Lfg channels, @versed helm
versed helm
ok
humble yacht
I don’t know what most of those things are
versed helm
i hope infinte is as good as they are hyping it up to be
versed helm
well titanium is titanium, so its probably still pretty expensive. it can support a smart AI, and it is directly connected to the wearers brain
unique rune
I'd imagine it's the scale of the parts.
MJOLNIR's very small and compact, and would probably have very low acceptable tolerances for error.
versed helm
Ok, so the Forerunners aren't really expecting humanity to be their successors
?
Ah
A co worker told me about the inconsistencies, that the Flood were an experiment but turns out they were made up of remains of the hateful Precursors
unique rune
I don't think the Flood's origins were ever really explored under Bungie's direction of the franchise.
They were just something the Forerunners weren't able to effectively defeat through conventional methods, hence the creation of the rings.
And then 343 had the Forerunner Trilogy written, which then added the Precursor origins to them.
unique rune
Yeah. Humanity first found the Precursor dust, which was used on domesticated animals called Pheru.
unique rune
343 hasn't really messed with previously existing lore created under Bungie's control, yeah.
Just minor retcons for things to make more sense.
versed helm
Cool beans
🤔
Yea
And the Forerunners fought them but they grew too much and had to resort to wiping out every life in the galaxy
Ah, other conflicts like against the Sagahili
deng
oh
oof
unique rune
Floating in space in her cryopod, if I remember correctly.
Chief and the others pick her up after the ring is destroyed.
fair hazel
I think your conworker was probably wrong about things.
versed helm
probably the multiplayer in 4 and 5
unique rune
More or less, yeah. Linda's pod was ejected into space before the Autumn crashed, since she'd been incapacitated.
fair hazel
I like multiplayer in 5 the most but that’s irrelevant
Ah not during forerunner period thay we know
But before the covenant
versed helm
Spartans never die
fair hazel
Presumably, considering it was active and in case of loss of power of the ship
unique rune
I'd imagine that is the case, but I'm not really 100% on my cryopod knowledge.
versed helm
said one Spartan who died oof
fair hazel
It did have some power left
versed helm
The dude's lucky af
unique rune
It was Kelly
Linda does other fun things
like er
snipe Elites out of Banshees while suspended upside down
if I remember correctly
Grey is fun
shame about Black in Escalation though
don't blame the Didact, blame the writing
unique rune
Escalation
it's a comic series
versed helm
ah
gilded mason
Classic villain hubris
versed helm
always keep forgetting Halo is more than a game series
unique rune
It ran between Halo 4 and 5.
All it ever really did was kill off plot threads leftover from 4 and Spartan Ops
which was annoying
unique rune
I think that was just in reference to his MJOLNIR Mk. V armor.
versed helm
2 - he was wearing a class-2 combat skin, apparently.
Which probably means "basic as heck".
unique rune
Was it changed to 2?
I thought it was still Class-3.
versed helm
No, it was always class 2
gilded mason
Yeah, I remember him saying 3
unique rune
Yeah, I could have sworn it was Class-r.
versed helm
We're going to the transcript
gilded mason
lol
versed helm
Are they just so blind after all the crud John went through?
unique rune
Class-3 probably corresponds to about civilian combat skin.
versed helm
he's 9001
343 Guilty Spark: "These Sentinels will supplement your combat system. But I suggest you upgrade to at least a Class Twelve combat skin. Your current model only scans as a Class Two, which is ill-suited for this kind of work."
Suck it
Nerds
gilded mason
Oh, huh
versed helm
It's what I do
gilded mason
Obviously I’ll blame the Mandela Effect
versed helm
What about Butterfly Effect ?
storm flume
What about the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle
versed helm
ooh
storm flume
Chaos Theory in a nutshell
fair hazel
Ah.
fair hazel
Didact uses constraint fields
unique rune
named after that whole thing where a bunch of people thought Nelson Mandela was dead
but in fact wasn't
if I remember correctly
storm flume
Yeah people thought they read in a newspaper that he died in prison or something
fair hazel
Constraint fields allow pressure . So if you are I. Only clothes. And you’ve got a forerunner buddy and need to traverse the vacuum of space. Have him use constraint fields
Warrior servants have them
Also the comparison to child forerunner suit is probably same effect
I don’t recall that?
storm flume
Black had another comic, it was pretty good
unique rune
I think they still were indoctrinated, but it didn't really hold the same way it did for the other Spartans.
fair hazel
Black was killed
unique rune
I think it was... Halo: Bloodline?
storm flume
It's called Blood Line yeah
unique rune
And if you want more about Black, there's also a short story about them in the Evolutions anthology.
They were issued prototype sets called MJOLNIR Black.
Not really any full-on release, but tech from them was incorporated to later generations of MJOLNIR.
I don't remember enough about Black to really say
so yeah
Halopedia's your best resource
Mk. IV wasn't originally fitted with shield generators simply because the UNSC hadn't figured them out yet.
Though some would later be fitted with prototype generators.
By Halo Wars 2, yeah. It's long outdated by then, since Mk. V was being fielded in 2552.
versed helm
Well, that's the nature of cryo.
It's actually a believable way of exploring the tech's implications.
humble yacht
SoF crew is basically captain america
buoyant sigil
I’m dumb when it comes to this but I have a question in regards to mjolnir armor
So when were the first suits produced for combat? Like when did mjolnir first see combat?
humble yacht
This looks like a job for... Halopedia!
buoyant sigil
Indeed
buoyant sigil
Than... might I say? The Domain?
versed helm
Chi Ceti IV
Unless you count the Spartans beating up their instructors who were using the obsolete pre-Mark IV suits.
buoyant sigil
Ok so the first shielded suits were made in 2552?
versed helm
The ones issued to the Spartan IIs were handed out in 2552, the Mark Vs.
buoyant sigil
What about the SPIs?
versed helm
A bunch of preliminary field-testing Mark V(B) was handed out some time prior to that to S-III MJOLNIR-armed strike teams like NOBLE, potentially in 2551, I was also going to say.
buoyant sigil
Ok
versed helm
And SPI is a nebulous thing. We don't really know for sure - it's possible that the armour system was utilized by non-Spartan operators prior to S-IIIs getting their hands on it.
buoyant sigil
Wait really?
versed helm
It was just a general-use, very expensive piece of hardware.
buoyant sigil
Wow I had no idea
versed helm
Yeah. It doesn't work like MJOLNIR at all so anyone can use it.
buoyant sigil
Are there any cases of ODSTs using them?
versed helm
Not specifically.
unique rune
It's stated that it was issued to some ODSTs, but yeah, there's no specific details on it.
buoyant sigil
It would make sense to me. Atleast if the UNSC had the resources. Which they didn’t...
humble yacht
he got off the ring in a pelican and then got picked up by Chief, and then together they went back to earth
stoic hamlet
Pretty sure SPI was developed for Spartan III from its inception
It was issued to ODST’s post war, and there was a rumour that ODST’s used it during the war (which I think might have just been ONI’s way of covering up the program
I mean, it can run circles around MJOLNIR stealth wise
I mean, the same occurs wth Covie ac-can as well
Yep
Same
Still waiting for it in a game
No. The closest armour we have is the Reach Pilot
Ehhh, not really
Nothing can accurately depict Spartans in combat, or the canonical uses of the guns
The “game” would be unplayable
Even those aren’t really accurate
Those aren’t accurate depictions of Spartans or the weapons either
Because everything would be a blur, we wouldn’t be able to comprehend the Spartan movements, plasma weapons are incredibly deadly, near-misses can kill a person,
To name a few things
- they can run at 55, IRC
if they really push they can run at 60
nah, going over 60.
Kelly can run 65 as her top speed
versed helm
Thighs of titanium alloy
stoic hamlet
The closest game I can think of off the top of my head to maybe kinda sorta portray how a Spartan sees the world is, oddly, Super Hot, the VR game.
oh, well, we cultured people use Km's. 😛
versed helm
Miles are for Friedens
And Venezians
Whatever you want dude
It might cause a few moments of confusion
But those will be quickly resolved, as now
stoic hamlet
yeah whatever you want. I just didn't read miles when i read your reply and assumed you were using kilometres.
versed helm
frozen lagoon
So one thing that’s always confused me is the New Mombasa Slipspace Incident. What exactly caused the explosion? Was it the lack of In Amber Clad’s targeting solution? And did they not need a targeting solution to get to Delta Halo?
versed helm
Well, explosions like that are simply the effect of assault-carrier size ships entering slipspace within a terrestrial atmosphere.
A lot of energy seems to be released, and matter that is caught in the radius of the resultant rift is pulled through.
frozen lagoon
So it wasn’t an explosion but an implosion caused by the radius of the slipspace rupture?
versed helm
Seemingly. The rules are a little nebulous.
frozen lagoon
Yeah, slipspace seems to be able to do whatever the writers want
But that explanation is actually really good, thanks!
last anchor
It does what the writers want cause even the Forerunners didnt really understand it fully. They knew how to make it work but they didn't really GET it.
neat prairie
I mean, it was finicky for them at times, but they understood causal reconciliation and the ‘budget’ associated with it. They understood the math of moving a fleet vs a small science vessel. Humans have historically just jumped whenever they felt like it and not given much more thought besides whether they’ll end up within a reasonable distance to where they’re aiming for. Only in post-war has that changed in any meaningful way.
feral perch
Master Chief is the greatest Spartan-II.
unique rune
That’s... about all we really know about the Warden Eternal at the moment, yeah.
He just... exists.
humble yacht
His original purpose was indeed to guard the Domain from unauthorized entry. Given how important the Domain was to Forerunner society, it makes sense that they'd assign a guard to it. And the Warden can guard the Domain both from within and from outside, so it was a good fit.
buoyant sigil
Wasn’t the domain destroyed with the firing of the halos?
gilded mason
Revealed to actually be severely damaged.
feral perch
It was apparently set on a path for healing and restoration by the sacrifice of one Forerunner.
humble yacht
Ur-Didact was the original, and the one we fight in Halo 4.
Iso-Didact was the second Didact, originally a builder called Bornstellar Made Eternal Lasting, who was implanted with the didact’s geass after the original went missing
Iso-Didact was the one who fired the halos to end the war
gilded mason
Yes.
fair hazel
Why would they clone themselves? @versed helm
gilded mason
I think he means reseeding?
fair hazel
They left the galaxy. Most of them
Thy took on their great journey
They were not threatened by total abigilaion
Anihilation
It’s kinda like. Where do you bury the survivors type question.
You don’t.
But the forerunners survived
They were on the lesser ark and maybe other save locations
And they were like. Ok let’s fire the halos. And let’s reseed the galaxy.
Then they were like we have a mission so a small number of us will take it
And they were like. Ok let’s leave.
humble yacht
I think part of it was they felt they didn't deserve to be reseeded. The remaining Forerunners recognized their failure as holders of the Mantle and chose exile
There's a comic I think that details a small group of Forerunners surviving
fair hazel
Read halo silentium. The story after. The short story in halo fractures.
humble yacht
including Isodidact
fair hazel
Not comic
The uncredited story in fractures
Halo rebirth is what I meant by the story after
Trying to think of what other pieces of media deal with forerunners post firing
humble yacht
Ultimately Isodidact and the other survivors go back to Maethrillian, some trouble occurs, and they manage to start the repair sequence for the Domain. Then after, they go off beyond the galaxy
fair hazel
The forerunner saga and surrounding has a certain mythological quality
I hear Greg bear’s voice being the story teller in this fable, this tale. Like magic, tales of friendship and sorrow and loss.
Spark being chakas is probably one of the biggest woah
obsidian thistle
There is the Halo CEA terminals
versed helm
where do UNSC conventional forces keep their ammo?
carmine sleet
Weapon foundries where the ammo is created and then shipped out to be distributed to various fleets and bases in UNSC space
Plus some ships have the capability to produce some equipment as well so they can produce some ammo as well
fair hazel
Armouries and bases
Ah already said
In bags?
Pouches?
That’s the packaging
For ammo
Transporting. Logistics.
versed helm
I'm still curious,how do Forerunners reproduce?
storm flume
Probably the same way most sentient things do
fair hazel
The normal way... let’s uh... talk about other stuff now..
gilded mason
He's Australian
versed helm
yeah the way they store ammo doesnt make sense to me
@versed helm at least these days, people keep their ammo in magazine pouches attached to a plate carrier or chest rig
body armor in halo is different but there's no pouches to be seen anywhere on the armor
which is the fastest way to get to them to reload
stoic hamlet
Except there’s a lot of pouches on marines and in lore Spartans deck themselves out with pouches and the like.
storm flume
Reach armor had a lot of pouches
There were a couple that I thought made you look like a living backpack lol
versed helm
In virtually every in-game situation except for like, Halo Reach, CEA and Halo 2 classic, nobody carries enough pouches to hold any ammunition or equipment.
But, there's also the fact that to accurately portray every soldier with each weapon, they'll probably be using different storage systems as most UNSC weapons receive vastly different magazines.
Basically, the character modellers would be going above-and-beyond to portray UNSC soldiers and Spartans properly carrying enough ammunition of the correct type to use with each weapon, plus any secondary equipment they may logically have in a realistic unit configuration.
My deepest, darkest Halo fantasy is that someday we'd get a system where ammunition pouches and different odds-and-ends would be displayed on the player model dynamically as they pick up different weapons and hold different amounts of ammo with each of them - you'd have pouches and webbing affixed to the plates, smaller loose mags and doodads mag-clamped to any available space. Jackhammer tubes clamped across the lower back like the nuke in Halo 4.
NPCS like Marines would use a simple system where they've got pouches and the like just based on whatever weapon they spawn with.
Don't say it.
Don't even say it.
There is no indication in Halo 3 that the UNSC would be suffering from ammo shortages.
You pick it up all the time, and nobody mentions anything like it once.
The UNSC would stockpile it in great quantities in bases like Crow's Nest for just this occasion.
They've been preparing to defend Earth since 2525, that logic is ridiculous.
All good, I overreact pretty bad sometimes xD
But it's all fun and games.
But they also have quite a few pouches in Halo 4, too.
Depending on the Marine variant.
Halo 4 Marine BDU is underrated.
Nah, Crow's Nest.
Supposedly it dates back to this century, yeah.
Don't try and explain this one, man.
There's no valid excuse beyond artistic oversight to have soldiers run into battle without proper quantities of ammunition.
21st century soldiers are covered in pouches, anyway.
And since UNSC mags are pretty compact, if they found any in that base, they'd be able to use the pouches.
Plus we don't have any body armour like what they have in Halo yet.
So y'know.
This is genuinely why Halo 3 Marine battledress is like my least favourite Marine armour.
Like, I love them all, but I love Halo 3's design the least.
It looks really dorky to me.
But it's okay because in Halo Reach we got the best looking UNSC troops ever. https://www.halopedia.org/images/a/a5/HR_UNSCLineup_Concept_1.jpg
They look great in CEA too, with MA5Cs and tactical eyescreens and backpacks.
Honestly, it was a fool's errand even trying to top the Reach design. They're the definitive UNSC soldiers - equal parts respectful to their classic heritage, distinctive in their own way, and grounded. I can't think of non-power armoured sci-fi soldiers that look better.
feral perch
I prefer Halo 2: Anniversary's rendition.
versed helm
Yeah. In some logical sense.
The thing about the H2A/HW design for me is that while it's very distinctive and advanced looking, it's certainly the most oddball and unusual of all battledress designs and it has ugly, clippy pauldrons that even Blur couldn't tame in their cutscenes and there's serious questions about its practicality.
Once again, the light chestplate combined with reasonably heavy limb armour is weird. The helmet looks fairly atrocious, and doesn't have either cool (eyescreens, HUD-stuff, microphones, attachments) or practical (chinstrap) elements. It only looks good in HW, with full goggle-and-balaclava gear.
The pouches on the chestplate are kinda dumb. Like I could buy that you could maybe store a BR55's mag in them. Maybe. But they're super inefficient.
stable schooner
Calm yourself Looters just think of the H2A ODST instead.
versed helm
Good lads.
Anyway, you could improve the H2A design like tenfold by getting rid of those silly chest pouches and giving them some kind of webbing rig around the midsection.
Stick a chinstrap and some goggles on that helmet, do something with the pauldrons to stop them from defying the laws of reality, and you're golden.
fair hazel
Halo 2 anniversary design is the halo wars design minus the mask basically
versed helm
With redesigned pauldrons, yeah.
feral perch
Halo Wars marines are beastly.
Definitely better than any of the FPS ones in-game too, hah
versed helm
Honestly
Your opinion is terrible
And I mean that in the nicest possible way, my friend
fair hazel
In fact I’m a bit eh on them a lot of times
versed helm
I cannot empathize
Like, maybe it's just because I've been conditioned by a bunch of operator types to think about this stuff in more practical terms
But every time I see how exposed the HW soldier's abdomens are and how few avenues they have to store their ammunition and gear, it's like I'm being sucked into a dark abyss of despair
Reach is my safe space
It's like
Why would you put so much armour on your forearm
Or shin
And then just say "screw it, I'm good" when it comes to the stomach
It's like they've taken a chestplate that ought to be used by ultra-light infantry
And stuck it on someone who's armoured up to be a CQC bruiser
It just doesn't gel
feral perch
When I say Halo Wars' Marines are beastly, and I did clarify, I meant in their portrayal in-game and in their actual gameplay functionality.
The opening cutscene shows they have grit; and they're a lot more effective in Halo Wars than they are in other games, if only because the player controls them.
Although Halo 2 had good Marine AI. The Reach Army soldier/Marine AI is OK, nothing to write home about.
versed helm
I would argue that's not sufficient clarification on account of the context
feral perch
Yes.
versed helm
Though like most RTS games you kinda run out of uses for infantry as you progress into the late game
feral perch
Sure.
versed helm
Which is sad.
Though I really love Halo Wars' pelican transport mechanic
Only thing that could make it better is if the pelican was armed