#lore-and-universe | Halo | Page 213

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 5:26 PM

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T'skirmishers

carmine sleet Jul 17, 2019, 5:26 PM

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T'voans were a subspecies of Jackal so I wouldn't call that introducing a new species

humble yacht Jul 17, 2019, 5:26 PM

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Moa were a new species

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.>

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 5:26 PM

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^^^

trail flame Jul 17, 2019, 5:26 PM

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Tips Tedora

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T'lady

stable schooner Jul 17, 2019, 5:26 PM

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Sub Specie Skirmishers. Yeah, gameplaywise they act as different as a new species so I count them.

trail flame Jul 17, 2019, 5:27 PM

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Fair enough

carmine sleet Jul 17, 2019, 5:27 PM

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Ok, Moa's definitely count, how did I forget them

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 5:27 PM

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We ate them all

trail flame Jul 17, 2019, 5:27 PM

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thinkingchief

stable schooner Jul 17, 2019, 5:27 PM

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Also those big tusked monsters

carmine sleet Jul 17, 2019, 5:27 PM

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Well, I didn't, I'm vegetarian

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 5:27 PM

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How'd I know

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Tracer pfp

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Vegetarian

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Figures

trail flame Jul 17, 2019, 5:27 PM

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LOL

stable schooner Jul 17, 2019, 5:28 PM

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Savage

trail flame Jul 17, 2019, 5:28 PM

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This man is all out of chill today

carmine sleet Jul 17, 2019, 5:28 PM

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Eh, I'm not sure what you mean by that Looters

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 5:28 PM

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Nor am I but let's keep the banter tempo up

trail flame Jul 17, 2019, 5:28 PM

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I have to say, the coolest species in Halo is the Huragok

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 5:28 PM

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I think you mean hu

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manity

gilded mason Jul 17, 2019, 5:29 PM

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😏

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 5:29 PM

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Earth First baby

trail flame Jul 17, 2019, 5:29 PM

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Have you ever seen a San'Shyuum lighting Johnson's cigar? didn't think so 😌

prisma oasis Jul 17, 2019, 5:29 PM

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Now perhaps we could see the Thorn Beasts in Halo Infinite and the game that’s set a decade before Halo CE.

gilded mason Jul 17, 2019, 5:29 PM

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I bet they would if Johnson asked. 😥

stable schooner Jul 17, 2019, 5:29 PM

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You ever see a Huragok grabbing Johnson’s Butt.

trail flame Jul 17, 2019, 5:29 PM

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What game is set a decade before CE?

carmine sleet Jul 17, 2019, 5:29 PM

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Huragok need to return and they need to give us the option to hug one

gilded mason Jul 17, 2019, 5:30 PM

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What game is set a decade before CE?
None

prisma oasis Jul 17, 2019, 5:30 PM

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@trail flame That was from my question about it.

trail flame Jul 17, 2019, 5:30 PM

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Ahh

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 5:30 PM

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Does it ever make anyone wonder that Staten is responsible for like both the most explicit adult scenes in Halo

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And one of them is about Prophets

gilded mason Jul 17, 2019, 5:30 PM

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Huragok need to return and they need to give us the option to hug one
We should get to hug every species, I say.

carmine sleet Jul 17, 2019, 5:31 PM

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Sure, why not

prisma oasis Jul 17, 2019, 5:31 PM

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@gilded mason You mean hug them like Barney.

trail flame Jul 17, 2019, 5:31 PM

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Sangheili-Human romance in the lore when thinkingchief

stable schooner Jul 17, 2019, 5:31 PM

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I don’t want to hug no Kig Yar

carmine sleet Jul 17, 2019, 5:31 PM

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Just not the Flood, they're not something you want to be anywhere near

gilded mason Jul 17, 2019, 5:31 PM

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I don’t want to hug no Kig Yar
Yes you do

stable schooner Jul 17, 2019, 5:31 PM

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He will steal my Wallet and have his buddies rob my house.

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 5:31 PM

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I mean it depends on the kig yar

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Wouldn't want to get an energy cutlass in the back

gilded mason Jul 17, 2019, 5:32 PM

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Sangheili-Human romance in the lore when
Gettin' there. At the moment it's unrequited, but baby steps.

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 5:32 PM

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Ostral pls

gilded mason Jul 17, 2019, 5:32 PM

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lol

trail flame Jul 17, 2019, 5:32 PM

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I'd hug one of those cute feathered T'voans

teal knot Jul 17, 2019, 5:32 PM

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~~Are you ignoring the Halo CE Legendary ending?~~

carmine sleet Jul 17, 2019, 5:32 PM

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That poem about Palmer from Halo 5 was great

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 5:32 PM

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~~Yes because it didn't happen~~

trail flame Jul 17, 2019, 5:32 PM

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"This is it baby, hold me"

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 5:32 PM

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Chief only played Halo CE on heroic

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True story

teal knot Jul 17, 2019, 5:32 PM

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~~Ree it happened and it was great~~

gilded mason Jul 17, 2019, 5:32 PM

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That poem about Palmer from Halo 5 was great
The best part of Halo 5, really.

prisma oasis Jul 17, 2019, 5:33 PM

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I would love to see the Vulpard in Halo Infinite.

carmine sleet Jul 17, 2019, 5:33 PM

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Vulpard?

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 5:33 PM

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Blast you need to stop speaking about your made up things like they're not things you made up

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Or at least introducing them that way

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It's heckin confusing my dude

carmine sleet Jul 17, 2019, 5:33 PM

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Just did a search, Vulpard is actually a thing but it was cut from CE like the Blind Wolves were

trail flame Jul 17, 2019, 5:34 PM

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Also

Does it ever make anyone wonder that Staten is responsible for like both the most explicit adult scenes in Halo
And one of them is about Prophets

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 5:34 PM

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Oooh

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My bad then

trail flame Jul 17, 2019, 5:34 PM

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I just remembered this

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 5:34 PM

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Nevermind Blast

trail flame Jul 17, 2019, 5:34 PM

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What are said scenes?

stable schooner Jul 17, 2019, 5:34 PM

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It actually looks cool though

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 5:34 PM

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Contact Harvest ending

prisma oasis Jul 17, 2019, 5:34 PM

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@carmine sleet Yes. The Vulpard is a scrapped species from Halo CE.

gilded mason Jul 17, 2019, 5:34 PM

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And one of them is about Prophets
'Cause Staten is patrician.

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 5:34 PM

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And then a whole bunch of weird flashbacks in Shadow of Intent.

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Like, oddly gratuitous

trail flame Jul 17, 2019, 5:34 PM

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Oh wow

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One more reason to read the books 😌

gilded mason Jul 17, 2019, 5:35 PM

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lol

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 5:35 PM

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Contact Harvest, sure

trail flame Jul 17, 2019, 5:35 PM

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Wasn't there a romance between a human and a San'Shyuum at some point

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 5:35 PM

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Shadow of Intent is also excellent but not for that reason

gilded mason Jul 17, 2019, 5:35 PM

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Looters, you know you like it. Don't lie.

teal knot Jul 17, 2019, 5:35 PM

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I actually finished Shadow of Intent yesterday

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 5:35 PM

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Hey, I'm not ruling out that I could be persuaded~

teal knot Jul 17, 2019, 5:35 PM

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Good read

gilded mason Jul 17, 2019, 5:36 PM

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Wasn't there a romance between a human and a San'Shyuum at some point
Not in the current era, at least. No idea about the ancient past.

stable schooner Jul 17, 2019, 5:36 PM

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Proving Your an Elite Minor Ostral

carmine sleet Jul 17, 2019, 5:36 PM

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I should re-read Shadow of Intent at some point

trail flame Jul 17, 2019, 5:36 PM

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I think it was in the "pre-galactic anihilation" era

gilded mason Jul 17, 2019, 5:36 PM

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Proving Your an Elite Minor Ostral
😉

carmine sleet Jul 17, 2019, 5:36 PM

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Ostral is an Ultra at least

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 5:36 PM

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He's like a perverse osoona

gilded mason Jul 17, 2019, 5:36 PM

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Blue's neater, so I'd rather be a Minor.

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He's like a perverse osoona
Oh dear, so a peeping tom, basically?

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 5:37 PM

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You said it

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Let's move on

gilded mason Jul 17, 2019, 5:37 PM

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Right

trail flame Jul 17, 2019, 5:37 PM

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Any recommended order to start reading the books?

gilded mason Jul 17, 2019, 5:37 PM

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Release order

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 5:37 PM

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TFoR first, of course.

gilded mason Jul 17, 2019, 5:37 PM

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Though with the reprints

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 5:37 PM

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You can probably skip The Flood but it's neat

trail flame Jul 17, 2019, 5:37 PM

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Hmmmm

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 5:37 PM

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I'd actually read Contact Harvest after TFoR

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And then Silent Storm

trail flame Jul 17, 2019, 5:38 PM

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Furiously taking notes

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 5:38 PM

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And then First Strike, maybe, but don't take it too seriously. And then GoO.

trail flame Jul 17, 2019, 5:39 PM

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Nice

wispy bough Jul 17, 2019, 5:39 PM

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Pulling this from r/HaloStory

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versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 5:39 PM

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But then again maybe you can hold off on Silent Storm cuz it's gonna get a sequel in a month or two

trail flame Jul 17, 2019, 5:39 PM

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What's wrong with First Strike btw?

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 5:39 PM

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Some aspects of it are kinda weird

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Almost all of which are centred on Johnson

gilded mason Jul 17, 2019, 5:40 PM

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Ah yes

stable schooner Jul 17, 2019, 5:40 PM

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Ok so just to be sure Sadie’s story takes place right at the beginning of the New Mombasa Attack by Regret right?

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 5:40 PM

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Yes.

gilded mason Jul 17, 2019, 5:40 PM

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Yeah

trail flame Jul 17, 2019, 5:40 PM

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Ahhh

stable schooner Jul 17, 2019, 5:40 PM

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Then why does she only encounter Brutes

trail flame Jul 17, 2019, 5:40 PM

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Also thanks RhysWX

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 5:41 PM

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Anyway basically one half of Johnson's background in First Strike was personally retconned by Staten in an interview and then double-retconned by a comic called Breaking Quarantine in the Graphic Novel

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And the other half just got blasted away by Silent Storm

vivid dust Jul 17, 2019, 5:41 PM

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uh

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I don't remember what the Graphic Novel could've retconned

gilded mason Jul 17, 2019, 5:42 PM

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He survived the Flood through being a skilled fighter, not from being immune.

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 5:44 PM

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And also all of Chief's interactions with Johnson in the entire Nylund/Dietz trilogy are now weird because of Silent Storm

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Which doesn't just introduce them but make them good friends

stable schooner Jul 17, 2019, 5:44 PM

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That Extra Health really pulled through

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 5:44 PM

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And validate the Halo 3 manual's "nobody knows the Chief like Johnson" description.

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But strictly speaking every SII probably knows Chief better

gilded mason Jul 17, 2019, 5:45 PM

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Yeah, I was about to say...

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 5:45 PM

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Unless Johnson's just that much of a good judge of character

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Because he's experienced

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So I dunno

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Best not trouble myself on manuals, huh?

vivid dust Jul 17, 2019, 5:45 PM

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ye

stable schooner Jul 17, 2019, 5:50 PM

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You know I rather not see Engineers again if it means I gotta see them blow up again and again.

gilded mason Jul 17, 2019, 5:51 PM

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Maybe they could stay behind the front lines or only show up in scenes without battle.

stable schooner Jul 17, 2019, 5:52 PM

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Or Maybe appear as allies so I can protect them but I doubt that.

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 6:01 PM

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You should only seem them on ships, in bases or in Forerunner installations.

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On the first two counts they probably wouldn't be fixed with explosives.

gilded mason Jul 17, 2019, 6:02 PM

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I would hope.

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 6:02 PM

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And I'm hesitant to endorse the canonicity of the Reach portrayal

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Reach worked in a few overly gamey elements

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Just to juxtapose how grounded the visual style was and drive me up the wall, I guess 🤷

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 6:31 PM

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Man there is just

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Not enough Halo going on right now

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I need more Halo - why can't Oblivion be out already, darnit xD

lunar condor Jul 17, 2019, 6:33 PM

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I need oblivion...

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i need it

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 6:34 PM

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MHM

lunar condor Jul 17, 2019, 6:34 PM

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something to quench the halo thirst until Reach releases on PC

trail flame Jul 17, 2019, 6:35 PM

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Oblivion?

gilded mason Jul 17, 2019, 6:35 PM

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Sequel to Silent Storm

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Hope my boy Nizat ain't done dirty. 🤞

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 6:37 PM

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I hope we get a new Encyclopedia someday

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Or a new Warfleet thing

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That'd certainly tide me over in terms of rabid Halo discussion

lunar condor Jul 17, 2019, 6:38 PM

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I need a warfleet about Spartan and Elite Armor systems

gilded mason Jul 17, 2019, 6:38 PM

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This time on cultures and institutions, I'd hope.

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 6:38 PM

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I mean I agree with both of you

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So hard

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I'd personally like a weapons Warfleet type thing most of all, but I feel it may be limited relevance when it really comes down to it

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But then again so was Warfleet - the only space combat we've done in Halo is in Reach xD

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But I mean, as much as I'm always going mental about the MA5 and human weapons there's a lot more I'd like to know about things like plasma bolts

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Fuel rods and needle weapons

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Spartan lasers, railguns

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There's a whole world of potential deep lore there

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I mean right now we don't even know why fuel rod projectiles or needles actually leave the barrels of their respective weapons

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How crazy is that

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Warfleet for weapons is definitely my most hoped for thing

lunar condor Jul 17, 2019, 6:41 PM

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Yeah definitely need more of those Encyclopedia style books

trail flame Jul 17, 2019, 6:41 PM

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Dude I'd love to know more about how Covenant weapons work

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How tf does the needler fire???? There doesn't even look to be enough space in the barrel for those gigantic crystals to come out of

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Not to mention it supposedly has no moving parts

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 6:43 PM

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Probably gravitic stuff

lunar condor Jul 17, 2019, 6:44 PM

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tho if it was gravitic manipulation it would prolly not make any sounds when fired

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while it does

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 6:44 PM

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That is true

lunar condor Jul 17, 2019, 6:44 PM

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Gas maybe? like a pressure cannon

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 6:45 PM

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I mean potentially.

trail flame Jul 17, 2019, 6:45 PM

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Maybe the needles are magnetic

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And it's a mini MAC that fires horrible flying purple shards of hate

lunar condor Jul 17, 2019, 6:46 PM

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Like whoever designed that weapon must really hate anything thats alive

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 6:46 PM

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I mean I'm personally a big fan of trying to work gravitics into weapon systems in general

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Just because it's a huge part of Halo's fiction that kinda takes a back seat

lunar condor Jul 17, 2019, 6:46 PM

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id rather get shot by a fuel rod cannon than a needler

trail flame Jul 17, 2019, 6:46 PM

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I mean I'd take just one needle in a non vital place before I'd get obliterated

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 6:47 PM

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Well I mean, it's like the difference between severe radiation sickness and horrible shrapnel injuries if you survive, right?

trail flame Jul 17, 2019, 6:47 PM

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But a real man will take a MAC round to the face and walk it off

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Just don't point any plasma weaponry at me

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I'm not a big fan of 3rd degree burns

lunar condor Jul 17, 2019, 6:47 PM

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Like its scary enough to get shot with a normal bullet

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imagine having to worry about getting shot with plasma or needler rounds

trail flame Jul 17, 2019, 6:48 PM

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I find it super interesting that the plasma weapons are literally battery powered

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Supposedly a high voltage current heats some sort of matter to a plasma state?

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But I'm not sure how it is supposed to work

lunar condor Jul 17, 2019, 6:48 PM

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Yeah im surprised they have batteries that can output that much power

trail flame Jul 17, 2019, 6:48 PM

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Stick a few AAs in her and let it rip

lunar condor Jul 17, 2019, 6:49 PM

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not to mention needing a tiny version of the mechanism that shapes plasma on covenant ships

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I remember when i was reading first strike, i found it so interesting how Cortana explained the way the Covenant uses their superior technology

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like just trying to brute force it instead of mastering it

trail flame Jul 17, 2019, 6:50 PM

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Wdym?

lunar condor Jul 17, 2019, 6:50 PM

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Like they use very inefficient ways to gather and concentrate the plasma which is odd for a race that can produce such high tech weapons

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like learning how to create plasma weapons without the proper maths required to make it work

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 6:51 PM

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Well it's all down to Great Journey dogma innit

lunar condor Jul 17, 2019, 6:51 PM

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Yeah pretty much

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 6:51 PM

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They use what they're given, but tampering with what they already have is seen as unnecessary and heretical.

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Probably quite a bit of Prophet power-playing going on there too

trail flame Jul 17, 2019, 6:52 PM

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Weird

lunar condor Jul 17, 2019, 6:52 PM

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Definitely, prophets can't risk not controlling all flow of technology and wisdom

trail flame Jul 17, 2019, 6:52 PM

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I wonder what their scientific knowledge is like

lunar condor Jul 17, 2019, 6:52 PM

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the covenant grew too large and powerful for that

trail flame Jul 17, 2019, 6:52 PM

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Like they have to know a fair bit to be able to do the stuff they do

lunar condor Jul 17, 2019, 6:52 PM

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afaik the prophets asked the floaty bois how to work with forerunner tech they found

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and they used the floaty bois to do all of the work anyway

trail flame Jul 17, 2019, 6:53 PM

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Oh wow

lunar condor Jul 17, 2019, 6:53 PM

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so their technological superiority falls away if you deny them the floaty bois

trail flame Jul 17, 2019, 6:53 PM

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So, what, no Covenant researchers/engineers?

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 6:54 PM

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I mean, to a practical degree, absolutely.

trail flame Jul 17, 2019, 6:54 PM

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They just made the other guy do the work and took his credit?

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Dang

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 6:54 PM

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What I mean is that they have researchers and engineers

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But what is considered researching and engineering and what is considered heresy is a fine line

trail flame Jul 17, 2019, 6:55 PM

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Ah

lunar condor Jul 17, 2019, 6:55 PM

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If they had actually perfected the technology they had, humanity would prolly not have stood a chance

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I mean the only reason humanity won in the end is because they managed to survive long enough for a chance to appear so they can turn the tide

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 6:56 PM

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I'm a little unsure about Cortana's comments on Covenant tech being inefficient, though.

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Perhaps from her perspective, with her data arrays filled with from-the-source Forerunner info.

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But make no mistake, their plasma weapons are deadly.

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And you don't see engineers fussing over them, do ya?

lunar condor Jul 17, 2019, 6:57 PM

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oh yeah definitely, what she was talking about specifically was the maths behind it

trail flame Jul 17, 2019, 6:57 PM

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So V = R * I right

lunar condor Jul 17, 2019, 6:57 PM

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Like humanity had a better grasp of the theoretical principles behind how things worked

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not specifically for making a plasma weapon

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 6:57 PM

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Well that's probably true.

lunar condor Jul 17, 2019, 6:58 PM

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It makes sense at least, in a way since the covenant sorta replicated technology

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instead of inventing it and trying to understand it perfectly

trail flame Jul 17, 2019, 6:58 PM

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The Covenant weapons could be deadly and still inefficient though

lunar condor Jul 17, 2019, 6:58 PM

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Like for example the way it was portrayed in the book

trail flame Jul 17, 2019, 6:58 PM

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Perhaps for the same amount of "killing power" the covenant weapons draw far much more energy and resources, for example

lunar condor Jul 17, 2019, 6:59 PM

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the covenant ships shot like 2-4 plasma torpedoes to kill a shield and like 1-2 to destroy a covenant ship

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while Cortana with advanced shaping calculations made their weapons a lot deadlier, by making the kinda plasma bubble into a plasma beam and slicing ships with it

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Tho that might also have just been the author exaggerating it so he can explain how cortana survives with 1 ship versus many covenant ships

trail flame Jul 17, 2019, 7:00 PM

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Interesting

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When is this btw?

lunar condor Jul 17, 2019, 7:00 PM

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between Halo 1 and 2

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in the chronology

trail flame Jul 17, 2019, 7:01 PM

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When in that sequence of events is Cortana alone with a Covenant ship?

lunar condor Jul 17, 2019, 7:02 PM

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When the crew goes down to reach to look for the remaining spartans

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shes alone in the Ascendant Justice

trail flame Jul 17, 2019, 7:02 PM

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This is between the destruction of Installation 04 and the arrival of Chief at Cairo station?

lunar condor Jul 17, 2019, 7:03 PM

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Yeah

trail flame Jul 17, 2019, 7:03 PM

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But how though, I always thought she was with Chief the whole time

lunar condor Jul 17, 2019, 7:03 PM

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Nope, she was with chief in the longsword fighter we see at the end of Halo 1

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picked up Johnson, and a couple other people on a pelican in orbit around the debris field of Installation 04

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did some cool manuever around a planet with the longsword and boarded the ascendant justice

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captured the ship essentially killing most covenant on board

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and got the heck outta there, cortana was inserted into the ship systems

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and remained there all the way until they ditched that ship and returned with a UNSC frigate with a retrofitted covenant jump drive back to earth

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All happens in Halo First Strike

trail flame Jul 17, 2019, 7:06 PM

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I see

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Not having read the books I always thought Chief just went "PoA > Longsword > Cairo Station" and Johnson and his crew just somehow figured themselves out

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But given that they had to go all the way to earth, it would seem strange

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haha

lunar condor Jul 17, 2019, 7:07 PM

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The longsword had no slipspace drive or cryo so they had to try some crazy things

trail flame Jul 17, 2019, 7:12 PM

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Interesting

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Where did they get the UNSC Frigate btw?

vivid dust Jul 17, 2019, 7:13 PM

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Reach

carmine sleet Jul 17, 2019, 7:13 PM

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Aye, it was one of the few salvageable ships from Reach post the Covenant attack

vivid dust Jul 17, 2019, 7:13 PM

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Though when I was little I thought the hybrid ship was actually both ships on top of one another lol

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and not the UNSC Frigate retrofitted with a Covenant drive

carmine sleet Jul 17, 2019, 7:15 PM

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Well, at one point it was one ship on top of another but when they decided to lure the Covenant away from Blue Team's ex-filtration of the Uneven Elephant (I know it's not actually called that but I love that Johnson calls it that) , it was better to move the Covenant Drive over to the frigate

trail flame Jul 17, 2019, 7:16 PM

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The Uneven Elephant lmfao

vivid dust Jul 17, 2019, 7:17 PM

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I think that's what Johnson calls it haha

lunar condor Jul 17, 2019, 7:18 PM

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"What is this uneven elephant?"

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😂

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Johnson had some of the best lines there

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like when picking up Linda i think where he goes like
"Gimme a hand this lady in her armor weighs more than your last date"

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always cracks me up when i read that line

vivid dust Jul 17, 2019, 7:24 PM

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rip Locklear

stoic hamlet Jul 17, 2019, 7:54 PM

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Locklear deserves a medal

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So does Polski

prisma oasis Jul 17, 2019, 8:16 PM

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Now I wonder when does a game about more details of the Human-Covenant war gets created?

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The game I mentioned earlier which is the game being set a decade before Halo CE.

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 8:18 PM

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Well I mean, the war raged from 2525 to 2552.

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So any date between those two points is fine xD

prisma oasis Jul 17, 2019, 8:19 PM

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Any ideas for species that we’d like to see?

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@versed helm Yes that is indeed fine because 2542 is in the 2525-2552 timeline range.

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Now should this game be a FPS game as what Halo games usually are or could we have it be a 2D game that’s using high resolution graphics?

gilded mason Jul 17, 2019, 8:23 PM

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I'd go with something along the lines of E.T. for the Atari.

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 8:24 PM

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You cad

prisma oasis Jul 17, 2019, 8:24 PM

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@gilded mason That’s too old to be in the Halo games.

gilded mason Jul 17, 2019, 8:24 PM

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Nah, it's perfect.

prisma oasis Jul 17, 2019, 8:24 PM

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@gilded mason Ah nope!

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 8:24 PM

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Don't torment the poor fellow

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Ostral

gilded mason Jul 17, 2019, 8:25 PM

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lol fine

prisma oasis Jul 17, 2019, 8:25 PM

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@versed helm Thank you for telling him.

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 8:25 PM

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Anyway, we've kind of got something 2D.

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Not a side-scroller, of course, but we've got Spartan Assault and Spartan Strike.

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I'd like to see a third one of those games to be honest, but it's probably a bit of a long shot

prisma oasis Jul 17, 2019, 8:27 PM

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@versed helm We got those. I was thinking a side-scroller and it’s not Halo Zero I’m referring to. That game from 2005 is non-canon from what I know about.

unique rune Jul 17, 2019, 8:27 PM

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~~I just want to see Spartan Strike fixed and playable on iOS 11.~~

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 8:28 PM

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I've never been particularly interested in side scrollers.

gilded mason Jul 17, 2019, 8:28 PM

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Not even Metroid?

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 8:28 PM

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I feel it'd be hard to make a side scrolling Halo game feel like Halo.

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Nah, never played it.

gilded mason Jul 17, 2019, 8:28 PM

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You should! I bet you'd like it

prisma oasis Jul 17, 2019, 8:30 PM

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@versed helm So for this game that’s set a decade before Halo CE that I’m talking about, should it be FPS instead like how most Halo games happens to be?

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 8:31 PM

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I feel that sort of format has the most potential in Halo's setting xD

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For obvious reasons.

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Though I'd love a more grounded RTS, personally - just too small of an audience at the moment I guess.

prisma oasis Jul 17, 2019, 8:35 PM

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Perhaps we can have the game be FPS.

carmine sleet Jul 17, 2019, 8:36 PM

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I'd like to see a third person action adventure game within the Halo universe honestly

prisma oasis Jul 17, 2019, 8:37 PM

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@carmine sleet That would be a good idea. I was also kind of thinking that the third person action adventure game can be added to the Halo series.

gilded mason Jul 17, 2019, 8:37 PM

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👍

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 8:38 PM

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Might be a decent format for energy sword combat.

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Like, fleshed-out.

carmine sleet Jul 17, 2019, 8:39 PM

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I was thinking more from a human explore angle but honestly, make it where we're an Elite explorer going out into the galaxy to find some lost Sangheili treasure

gilded mason Jul 17, 2019, 8:39 PM

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Yeeeees

vivid dust Jul 17, 2019, 8:39 PM

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https://twitter.com/Rookie_425/status/1151310558622355456 I need an explanation

gilded mason Jul 17, 2019, 8:40 PM

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a certain scene from the book Halo: Last Light, in which Veta Lopis had to use Fred as a Toboggan.

prisma oasis Jul 17, 2019, 8:40 PM

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@carmine sleet I was thinking of that angle too. I wonder which class of Spartan can the main protagonist be?

carmine sleet Jul 17, 2019, 8:40 PM

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You don't need to tag me every time

vivid dust Jul 17, 2019, 8:40 PM

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oh wow I could've just clicked the link

carmine sleet Jul 17, 2019, 8:40 PM

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Plus, not every Halo game needs to follow Spartans

prisma oasis Jul 17, 2019, 8:41 PM

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@carmine sleet Yeah I know. So the game doesn’t have to follow Spartans. Which soldier type can it follow rather than a Spartan?

gilded mason Jul 17, 2019, 8:42 PM

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Sangheili Minor

carmine sleet Jul 17, 2019, 8:42 PM

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Again, you don't need to tag me all the time

prisma oasis Jul 17, 2019, 8:45 PM

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@gilded mason I was thinking a human soldier.

carmine sleet Jul 17, 2019, 8:46 PM

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We need more stories from the sides of the aliens within Halo games. A side game is the perfect opportunity to do so

gilded mason Jul 17, 2019, 8:47 PM

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Indeed

prisma oasis Jul 17, 2019, 8:48 PM

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I was thinking that too.

carmine sleet Jul 17, 2019, 8:49 PM

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And yet you said you were thinking of a story from the perspective of a human soldier

prisma oasis Jul 17, 2019, 8:50 PM

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I meant a 2D side game when you said side game.

carmine sleet Jul 17, 2019, 8:50 PM

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Side games aren't necessarily 2D platformers

prisma oasis Jul 17, 2019, 8:52 PM

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And yes I wanted the perspective of a human soldier.

carmine sleet Jul 17, 2019, 8:52 PM

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Well, most Halo games we have are already from that perspective

humble yacht Jul 17, 2019, 8:53 PM

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The genre of a game has little impact on the story or lore

prisma oasis Jul 17, 2019, 8:56 PM

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Which perspective could we go for?

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 10:29 PM

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Oi 343

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Can you please do some spicy little updates to some of the universe articles on Waypoint

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Some of them are in a truly pitiful state

gilded mason Jul 17, 2019, 10:29 PM

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Yeah, some things need a second pass.

stable schooner Jul 17, 2019, 10:45 PM

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Anyone else feel sad for the Covenant Remnants. Their so weak they send their Elites out with 1 Plasma Pistol.

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 11:31 PM

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Still a plasma weapon 🤷

stoic hamlet Jul 17, 2019, 11:38 PM

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People forget that’s arguably way better than like every human weapon bar maybe the rocket launcher.

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At least in terms of destructive power anyways

stable schooner Jul 17, 2019, 11:45 PM

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For an Elite and Gameplay it’s horrible. They always felt insulted in Halo 2 and 3 when given a Plasma Pistol.

stoic hamlet Jul 17, 2019, 11:45 PM

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Lorewise though....it’s fire

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 11:45 PM

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it depends on the human weapon

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and how big of a charge is fired from the plasma pistol

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a single burst of plasma can easily be dissipated by a marine's armor

stable schooner Jul 17, 2019, 11:46 PM

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No Elite wants to go in combat with a Plasma Pistol. Shame on Jul Madama

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 11:46 PM

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whereas a full charge will melt through most things

stoic hamlet Jul 17, 2019, 11:46 PM

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Yeah

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Even a dissipated hit still takes the Marine out of the fight.

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 11:47 PM

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it depends

stable schooner Jul 17, 2019, 11:49 PM

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Alright EternalCanadian legitimate answer, If Elite was offered a Plasma Rifle or Pistol which one do you think he would take.

stoic hamlet Jul 17, 2019, 11:50 PM

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A rifle

But not because the pistol is a poor weapon, because it’s more honourable/hasmore killing potential.

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I’d take a Bolt Action over a revolver, not because the Revolver is a bad weapon but because the rifle is better for killing.

stable schooner Jul 17, 2019, 11:51 PM

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Then shame on Jul Madama

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 11:51 PM

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in comparison it's a poor weapon

stoic hamlet Jul 17, 2019, 11:51 PM

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Aye

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 11:51 PM

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so they'd logically take the rifle

stoic hamlet Jul 17, 2019, 11:51 PM

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But not a slouch by any means

versed helm Jul 17, 2019, 11:51 PM

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even for that alone

stoic hamlet Jul 17, 2019, 11:51 PM

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Yeah.

storm flume Jul 17, 2019, 11:56 PM

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I feel that Jul's covenant overall was a joke. They seemed to have so much resources and manpower but were completely inept at putting them to proper strategic use. I'd wager Prometheans and Halsey were carrying them between H4 and H5

stable schooner Jul 17, 2019, 11:58 PM

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I wouldn’t say resources did you see the ships they were using.

gilded mason Jul 18, 2019, 12:00 AM

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Seemed Jul did fairly well during Spartan Ops.

unique rune Jul 18, 2019, 12:03 AM

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Jul's Covenant was fine, but then losing Requiem (and later one of the two CAS-class assault carriers in his fleet) really wasn't a good thing.

storm flume Jul 18, 2019, 12:03 AM

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Yeah they felt like a legit threat in Spartan Ops, at least story-wise, but in the lore between then and up to H5's ending, they didn't feel the same to me

gilded mason Jul 18, 2019, 12:04 AM

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Yeah, though consdering how long they held it before punting it into a star, I would hope they extracted a good amount of tech

unique rune Jul 18, 2019, 12:05 AM

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You'd think so, but nothing seems to indicate that they ever did.

Escalation really was just a mess of wasted potential, wasn't it.

gilded mason Jul 18, 2019, 12:05 AM

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Just a bit, yeah

storm flume Jul 18, 2019, 12:05 AM

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I remember in one of the comics there was a singular room with all the artifacts extracted from Requiem, which I think Sali Nyon took

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A single room.

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That's it.

gilded mason Jul 18, 2019, 12:06 AM

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Know the comic issue number?

storm flume Jul 18, 2019, 12:06 AM

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Umm I'll see if I can find it

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It was an Escalation one

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#23

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And #24

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Although they don't actually show anything in the vault in #24 it seems

gilded mason Jul 18, 2019, 12:11 AM

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And the entrance was a giant blast door

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So it could be a very spacious room in there.

storm flume Jul 18, 2019, 12:11 AM

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Maybe

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They also referred to it as a "storehouse"

gilded mason Jul 18, 2019, 12:13 AM

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Ah, we can see a part, though there's also a lot of bright light obscuring the rest of it

storm flume Jul 18, 2019, 12:13 AM

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Aha yeah I found the frame

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http://prntscr.com/ogjjf2

gilded mason Jul 18, 2019, 12:14 AM

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Ye

storm flume Jul 18, 2019, 12:15 AM

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Seems like not a lot of space being used though

gilded mason Jul 18, 2019, 12:15 AM

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Yeah, though considering it's Escalation...

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And we don't know the function of those artifacts, either

storm flume Jul 18, 2019, 12:15 AM

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And absolutely no hint to what those artifacts even do based on appearance

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Lol

gilded mason Jul 18, 2019, 12:16 AM

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👌

storm flume Jul 18, 2019, 12:16 AM

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inb4 they're just Forge blocks

spiral lily Jul 18, 2019, 1:16 AM

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Where in lore does it say that ‘Rtas was designated a priority target by ONI and that he was chased by 3 ONI prowlers?

gilded mason Jul 18, 2019, 1:16 AM

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The Catalog

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Vessel dispatched with support fleet [June 1, 2557 - March 3, 2558] to protect [macto cognatus] core [sphere]. Recent [frumentarii] records [naufragum] of three [speculatoria navigia] tasked to monitor vessel's fleet activities. Losses not reported to Human naval authorities.

spiral lily Jul 18, 2019, 1:18 AM

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Do you mind explaining the catalog to me?

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Like is it an official lore source?

gilded mason Jul 18, 2019, 1:18 AM

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Ye

versed helm Jul 18, 2019, 1:19 AM

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S'just a Waypoint account that provides canon info

spiral lily Jul 18, 2019, 1:19 AM

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Hm

gilded mason Jul 18, 2019, 1:19 AM

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It's a 343 employee playing the part of a thingy

versed helm Jul 18, 2019, 1:19 AM

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Sorta in-universe snippets

spiral lily Jul 18, 2019, 1:19 AM

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Like catalog the judicial forerunner thingy

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Record everything knows everything

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@gilded mason how did you find that section so fast?

gilded mason Jul 18, 2019, 1:20 AM

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I knew where to look. 😋

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https://www.halopedia.org/Catalog/Archive/2014

spiral lily Jul 18, 2019, 1:20 AM

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Do they still use that account?

gilded mason Jul 18, 2019, 1:20 AM

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Not sure, but I don't think so.

spiral lily Jul 18, 2019, 1:26 AM

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Interesting

versed helm Jul 18, 2019, 1:26 AM

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It's in their arsenal

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Someday they'll be like "these nerds have a canonical misconception"

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Or "let's give them a taste of some of our cool internal lore just to torture them some more"

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And Catalog will do a post

remote spruce Jul 18, 2019, 3:48 AM

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Catalog trolling 7/10 times

fair hazel Jul 18, 2019, 4:50 AM

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catalog saying the spartan-IIIs were dead

gilded mason Jul 18, 2019, 4:52 AM

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Specifically:

Olivia-G291 - Status changed to [KIA] [September, 2553]
Mark-G313 - Status changed to [KIA] [September, 2553]```

remote spruce Jul 18, 2019, 5:01 AM

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RIP Catalog, it committed flag dropped

stoic hamlet Jul 18, 2019, 5:09 AM

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That came right after black team died, if you recall

gilded mason Jul 18, 2019, 5:09 AM

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Oh god

stoic hamlet Jul 18, 2019, 5:09 AM

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Lotta people were pissed they (at the time) “black teamed” what was left of Saber.

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and still haven’t really mentioned the wider company except to say “they’re moved to reserve status” which IMO is really annoying.

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I want more stuff with the Gammas

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Children trained to fight an enemy that more or less collapsed on its own and now it’s remnants work with humanity.

Imagine the story potential there

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Still hasn’t been explored

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Thankfully we got that short comic with G059

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But I wanna know about the wider company

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320 of the scariest preteens ever in the Halo universe just.....vanished

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Only mentioned in hints and theories

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But never shown

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Almost poetic, in a way

inner basin Jul 18, 2019, 6:16 AM

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Kevin-A282 is out there in the mix too, left abandoned in the lore

wild cypress Jul 18, 2019, 6:16 AM

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I wonder when we're going to get more Spartans in standalone stories

inner basin Jul 18, 2019, 6:17 AM

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Well Owen kinda was in Battleborn and Linda was in Lone Wolf

wild cypress Jul 18, 2019, 6:26 AM

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Na I meant like main stream games (FPS)

inner basin Jul 18, 2019, 6:27 AM

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Oh okay, now I follow. You said stories so I assumed books

wild cypress Jul 18, 2019, 6:57 AM

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Ah sorry! But yeah I really would like to see different Spartans as the main character. Someone we haven't seen before

obsidian thistle Jul 18, 2019, 7:37 AM

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Ah the Forum post murders of 2014/15. Those were the days.

fossil eagle Jul 18, 2019, 7:46 AM

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Sounds fun. Care for some story time?

violet vine Jul 18, 2019, 10:04 AM

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Hello!

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The Covenant is a highly advanced collective of different alien races that completely control a large portion of the Orion Arm of the Milky Way Galaxy. A caste-oriented society consisting of a ruling religious class (the Prophets), a warrior class (the Elites) and a worker class (including the Grunts and Jackals, among others), the Covenant has previously – or so available data suggests – assimilated subjugated species into its society. However, Mankind’s first contact with the Covenant was their complete destruction of the Outer Colony Harvest.
For thirty-two years, the Covenant has waged war against the Human race, culminating in the recent obliteration of the planet Reach. The Covenant’s objective appears not to be conquest, but the unmitigated annihilation of our entire species.
The names bestowed by humans on each Covenant race – or, more pertinently, those fit to print – are those used throughout this guide.
SECTION 6.

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Orion arm - billion star system.

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Covenant larger than Imperium

violet vine Jul 18, 2019, 10:22 AM

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Halo 2 official game guide.
If you have the opportunity to publish it, then publish it in this: https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/covenant-capability-thread-halo.366142/page-62

violet vine Jul 18, 2019, 10:55 AM

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Hunters are heavily-armored collectives of worm-like organisms united under a common consciousness. They always attack in pairs. New intelligence suggests that these creatures mate early and form lifelong partnerships. This explains why a Hunter becomes so enraged when its mate is slain – it will roar, charge towards the enemy responsible, attack inanimate objects and may even vent its frustrations on the lower orders of its Covenant allies. These living tanks are deployed as shock troops, their speed and incredible strength scattering opposing forces like ninepins.
Hunters wear practically impenetrable armor made from an unknown substance. These suits include an integrated Fuel Rod Cannon, a mortar-style plasma weapon that can mean trouble for even a mighty Scorpion tank. Hunters use this weapon at long to middle ranges, but will switch to melee attacks at close quarters.

abstract zealot Jul 18, 2019, 11:09 AM

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Are just copying and pasting this and sending it here?

violet vine Jul 18, 2019, 11:18 AM

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You are asking to send this to spacebattles simply by copying, or should I clarify the quote? If the first, then write that most likely these were single colonies and outposts in most of the stellar systems. If the second is yes, I copy and paste quotes that are interesting.

modest marsh Jul 18, 2019, 12:06 PM

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This isn’t the best place to discuss this sort of thing

carmine sleet Jul 18, 2019, 12:10 PM

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I'm honestly confused as to what they're trying to say

abstract zealot Jul 18, 2019, 12:28 PM

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Yeah I kind of just moved on.

strong sage Jul 18, 2019, 1:53 PM

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Was master chief present during the battle of harvest? O.o

carmine sleet Jul 18, 2019, 1:54 PM

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No

humble yacht Jul 18, 2019, 1:55 PM

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he hadn't even gotten his armor yet at the time of the battle of Harvest

versed helm Jul 18, 2019, 2:04 PM

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He might have played a role in one of the successive battles of Harvest though.

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It really was a 5+ year conflict.

tawny salmon Jul 18, 2019, 2:04 PM

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No like 30 years

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Just from the initial attack

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Or was it 7

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?

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I havent played halo wars in awhile

versed helm Jul 18, 2019, 2:05 PM

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I mean the Battle of Harvest specifically, not the HCW as a whole.

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The HCW was 27

tawny salmon Jul 18, 2019, 2:05 PM

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Gotcha

strong sage Jul 18, 2019, 2:26 PM

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Ahhhhh but hmmmm on Halo legends there was on episode he was closing daisy’s eyes

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Is that cannon? Or thats prolly another spartan ii?

stoic hamlet Jul 18, 2019, 2:26 PM

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Not on harvest

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But yeah that’s canon

strong sage Jul 18, 2019, 2:27 PM

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Thats what im confused about thou xD but daisy did die on harvest right?

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Hold on let me check on halopedia again

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Heh

stoic hamlet Jul 18, 2019, 2:27 PM

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No

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She was not killed in harvest

strong sage Jul 18, 2019, 2:28 PM

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Ahhhh i see i see

versed helm Jul 18, 2019, 2:28 PM

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Daisy's role in Silent Storm makes me hate Legends like x10 more now

strong sage Jul 18, 2019, 2:28 PM

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Sorry for making u repeating that

stoic hamlet Jul 18, 2019, 2:28 PM

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No worries

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Oh? @versed helm

versed helm Jul 18, 2019, 2:28 PM

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I just wanna take like all of Legends

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Except maybe like Babysitter

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And uh Prototype

strong sage Jul 18, 2019, 2:28 PM

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I wished cal survived ;-;

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She hot ;-;

versed helm Jul 18, 2019, 2:29 PM

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And then just nuke it all

stoic hamlet Jul 18, 2019, 2:29 PM

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Why, exactly?

humble yacht Jul 18, 2019, 2:29 PM

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that'd be a shame because some of those shorts were really nice artistic interpretations

versed helm Jul 18, 2019, 2:29 PM

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Oh, I find it all terrible

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Oh the Arbiter one is okay too I guess

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But I could really do without the Package

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And the one where Daisy dies is just pitiful

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Origins is okay

abstract zealot Jul 18, 2019, 2:30 PM

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I didn’t mind the Babysitter. Though I didn’t really like how Cal looked regarding her hair.

versed helm Jul 18, 2019, 2:30 PM

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Alright most of Legends is fine

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I'm just distressed about Daisy

strong sage Jul 18, 2019, 2:31 PM

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@abstract zealot ikr lul i wonder how her long hair fits inside the helmet xd

versed helm Jul 18, 2019, 2:32 PM

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And The Package will always be the worst

strong sage Jul 18, 2019, 2:32 PM

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But during babysitter mission do mjolnir have shields already?

carmine sleet Jul 18, 2019, 2:32 PM

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Mjolnir did not have shields during Babysitter

strong sage Jul 18, 2019, 2:33 PM

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Ahhhh that explains

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I was under the impression that if Mjolnir do have shields that time , cal could probably survived that grav hammer i think

abstract zealot Jul 18, 2019, 3:56 PM

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I don’t think the shields would’ve made too much of a difference really.

modest marsh Jul 18, 2019, 5:59 PM

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Cal died because of internal damage

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If she had not been impacted directly she might’ve been fine

stable schooner Jul 18, 2019, 7:09 PM

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Always found it weird a Prophet would have Brute and Elite Honor Guards together In Babysitter.

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And I’m pretty sure the Arbiter from the Duel could take some Spartans on

versed helm Jul 18, 2019, 7:25 PM

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Well, The Duel is about as stylized as it gets

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And I don't take any of Legends too seriously.

vivid dust Jul 18, 2019, 9:00 PM

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in her message to Chief in Halo 3, Cortana mentions a solution on the other side of the Portal to stop the Flood "without having to fire the remaining Halo rings"

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what is that solution?

gilded mason Jul 18, 2019, 9:01 PM

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We don't know. Though Petra wondered about it as well.

humble yacht Jul 18, 2019, 9:01 PM

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It was the newly made installation 08 and the index she kept

vivid dust Jul 18, 2019, 9:01 PM

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how could she have known about that?

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Mendicant?

humble yacht Jul 18, 2019, 9:02 PM

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She could have learned about the ark from being in Alpha Halo’s control room

versed helm Jul 18, 2019, 9:04 PM

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Could it be gravemind nonsense

humble yacht Jul 18, 2019, 9:04 PM

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Remember when Chief rescued her on high charity, he asked “do you still have it?”

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And she said “the activation index from the first halo. You know me; I keep what I steal”

versed helm Jul 18, 2019, 9:04 PM

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Like, the Gravemind trying to manipulate the Chief into being there to stop Truth

vivid dust Jul 18, 2019, 9:04 PM

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so while in the Control Room she would've been able to find out about a replacement ring but Spark had no idea?

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Apparently the Gravemind didn't know about what Cortana actually said in her message

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according to Halopedia at least

humble yacht Jul 18, 2019, 9:05 PM

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She might have just learned about the ark in the control room and then inferred that a replacement ring would be made

versed helm Jul 18, 2019, 9:05 PM

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Or found out somehow from the Gravemind

vivid dust Jul 18, 2019, 9:06 PM

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https://www.halopedia.org/Cortana#Captured

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It didn't seem to know

versed helm Jul 18, 2019, 9:07 PM

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Well Halopedia's only source for that is Halo 3

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So we know about as well as the writer of that did

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Actually hold on

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Lord Hood's instincts were correct: the Gravemind was in fact aware of the Portal and where it led (it had learned this after assimilating the Prophet of Regret) - and had deliberately allowed Cortana to send a message in order to lure all of its enemies into one place. Then the millions of Flood forms stored within High Charity would assimilate them all. Cortana, however, managed to hide the existence of Installation 08 and the index she possessed from the Gravemind.[56]

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So that solves the issue of the Gravemind's involvement.

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So yeah, most likely is that Cortana found out about the replacement protocol from Alpha Halo

gilded mason Jul 18, 2019, 9:10 PM

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Oh yeah. Found the passage in Petra regarding her thoughts on Cortana:


Could the Ark have been a weapon? Details are fairly sketchy—OK, very sketchy—but as the mother of all Forerunner artifacts, it’s certainly not out of the realm of possibility. Although it was meant as a fallback position to fire the Halo rings from, so why would you need to fire them at all if the Ark itself possessed a weapon that could stop the Flood?

Or…

With a surly stab, Petra quickly toggled the holopad off. The “or” was what she knew with certainty would keep her sleeping hours to a minimum for the foreseeable future. “Or” couldn’t be bargained with, it wouldn’t get bored and run off to play with its little friends, it wasn’t going to show up at her door at 11 P.M. a week from now claiming it was all a big misunderstanding. The only cure for “or” was to find out what the hell the little glowstick was on about. If there was some other instrument of destruction Cortana had set her sights on to use against the nigh-undefeatable Flood…well, that certainly wasn’t going to be a footnote, now, was it?```

versed helm Jul 18, 2019, 9:11 PM

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And Spark's lack of knowledge of it, if he indicates such, could easily be explained by compartmentalization of info.

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Wasn't it directly stated at some point that because of the logic plague, Forerunner systems lacked tactically sensitive information on large-scale tactics and procedures connected with other installations?

vivid dust Jul 18, 2019, 9:12 PM

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so had 04 fallen during the Forerunner-Flood War, 08 would've gotten a different Monitor?

versed helm Jul 18, 2019, 9:12 PM

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One can assume, yes.

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Or, if he survived, he'd only be notified of it once it was complete and once he was verified as uncompromised.

vivid dust Jul 18, 2019, 9:13 PM

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but that doesn't solve the issue imo

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if Cortana was able to learn about the possibility of a replacement ring while on 04, I just don't see why Spark couldn't have known

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it's literally his installation

humble yacht Jul 18, 2019, 9:14 PM

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Spark knew about the ark

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He knew the array could be fired from the ark

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He “hoped” that it was a Forge for new halos, but he wasn’t sure

versed helm Jul 18, 2019, 9:15 PM

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And once again, his uncertainty stems from very necessary data compartmentalization.

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But besides, prior to the opening of the portal he had no way to access the Ark anyway

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So it doesn't really matter

humble yacht Jul 18, 2019, 9:16 PM

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Cortana could have very well made some assumptions in her plan about what the ark was based on the limited info likely available to her

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But given she was being tortured, a fool proof plan was probably too much to ask for

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She could have easily learned that a halo was capable of a tactical pulse from being in Alpha Halos core; she probably learned everything about that halo that Spark knew, having just been sitting around alone for hours with nothing to do

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 3:14 AM

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oh right forgot that Petra criticized Halo 3 /s

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 4:45 AM

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Anyone wonder if the attack on Area 51 was a thing in the halo universe? Cuz I wonder, now that I think of it.

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Conventional wisdom would hold that Halo's universe split off from our own at the moment it was initially conceived in its concrete form.

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So there's really no way to say.

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But I guess there wouldn't be any real meaningful difference between Halo's universe and our own this early on.

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So probably.

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 4:47 AM

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Nah man the Vulture pilot's lines in HW2 was actually about defending Area 51

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 4:47 AM

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🙄

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Well if you see this 343, you should probably put it in as a easter egg as someone mentioning it in Halo Infinite

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That is probably one of the more juvenile things I've ever heard

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 4:48 AM

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Ok now I'm with Looters

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 4:48 AM

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Just because something is happening and is somewhat memey, doesn't mean it has a place in Halo

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Oof

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Eh, true

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Halo ain't your pop-culture meme joke compilation

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 4:49 AM

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Realistically, the Halo universe diverged from the moment it hit the 21st century

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Frankie's joke about the EU probably don't mean much in canon

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 4:49 AM

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Enjoy Halo for sick sci-fi super soldier action and strange AI quasi-romance and mild philosophy

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 4:49 AM

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I say probably, because this is Frankie

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 4:50 AM

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Oof

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 4:50 AM

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Also in Halo the United States is gone

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 4:50 AM

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Well, that explains why the halo game isn't mentioned in the halo universe, lol

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Oh Ik

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Obviously

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Rule number 1 of sci fi

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 4:51 AM

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So Area 51 has no importance

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 4:51 AM

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They take place in a reality where they were never part of culture

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Because it'd be trippy if they didn't

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 4:51 AM

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Time travel /s

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 4:51 AM

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I see now

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 4:52 AM

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Also unless Microsoft gets sponsers real life companies don't exist, not sure if that's a good thing or not lol

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Warthog but Ford makes it

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 4:53 AM

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You can assume that real life companies preceding Halo's conception exist, at least.

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Depending on how in-sync we are in the modern day, a good many companies afterwards might also have existed but faded from relevance.

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Though that said

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 4:55 AM

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I hope 343i visits the colonial era more

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 4:55 AM

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Technically the Haloverse would have split from ours millions of years in the past

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So maybe everything's off in the Halo universe

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 4:55 AM

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Make up the origins of those corporations in Halo

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 4:56 AM

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~~Involve the insurrection with corporate interest~~

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~~It's too easy for innie lovers to pull the moral highground these days~~

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 4:57 AM

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That one HW2 Phoenix log
Where the Major's wealthy family was caught on different sides in the insurrection

fossil eagle Jul 19, 2019, 4:57 AM

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"Oh yeah, that thing from 500 years ago where nothing actually happened. Funny, huh?" ```

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 4:57 AM

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Hey I wonder if Cole actually came to believe in anti-UEG sentiments after he fell in love with Lyrenne

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Like for the second time, after he faked his death

gilded mason Jul 19, 2019, 4:57 AM

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based lyrenne

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 4:58 AM

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Or if their relationship was punctuated with vicious political debates

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"I love you Lyrenne, more than anything, but you're literally a traitor to our species."

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Man I should write romance novels, huh?

gilded mason Jul 19, 2019, 4:58 AM

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You'd be a master

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 4:59 AM

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"I love you too Cole, even though you're a space-fascist."

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 5:00 AM

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Oh wait I messed up, the Major didn't have a family that had side conflicts, but rather played a role in the insurrection

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Few appreciated the irony more than Vaughan, given the role his own family played in exacerbating colonial tensions.

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 5:01 AM

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My boi Vaughan

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 5:01 AM

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Rocket launcher slapping boi

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 5:01 AM

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Honestly could we get an ODST 2

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But it's just Sunray 1-1

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Cuz that'd be a sick squad to play as

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Also tfw Vaughan paints the bit of his rocket launcher that is disposable

fossil eagle Jul 19, 2019, 5:02 AM

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Yeah, it's called Fireteam Raven.
hehehe hahaha huhuh.... Ohhh bloody hell man...

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 5:02 AM

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Delet

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Sunray 1-1 isn't a fireteam after all
Actually wait dangit I completely forgotten if they were or not

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 5:02 AM

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But c'mon, you just know Gruss is like Dutch's female doppleganger

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Quinn is obviously saucy, she knows how to rock ODST battle armour

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And Sparks has drones man

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Sick potential gameplay mechanics

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Oh wait not Sparks

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The other one

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Turpin

fossil eagle Jul 19, 2019, 5:04 AM

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Boomerang Company

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 5:04 AM

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Sparks has a Stanchion which is even better

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Like how has Halo gone this far without letting us use a stanchion in game

fossil eagle Jul 19, 2019, 5:04 AM

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versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 5:04 AM

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They had their opportunity in Halo 4 but instead we get this railgun

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This pale imitation

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 5:05 AM

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Yes they are part of the company
But like is the team itself a fireteam or a squad

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 5:05 AM

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I mean it might not even be a railgun

fossil eagle Jul 19, 2019, 5:05 AM

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Isn't the stanchion in Halo Wars 2?

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 5:05 AM

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Just a thing that has rail-shaped appendages that create coils out of energy

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Yeah but I haven't got to personally use one to explode a hinge head's torso

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And that is unacceptable

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 5:05 AM

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I love how HW2 makes the stanchion relevant again

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 5:06 AM

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I mean they did mess it up a little bit by giving it huge flachettes instead of the mini 5mm rounds

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But it's a variant so that's cool

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 5:06 AM

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I remember first seeing it in the beta
"No way they brought it back, wait that's the name of the upgrade"

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~~and then the sniper can't attack vehicles or air~~

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 5:07 AM

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Alright my optimal UNSC weapons roster for a Halo game

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BR-series rifle

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MA5-series carbine like a 5K or 2B

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A Halo 2 pistol that you can switch to really fast

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And a freakin' stanchion

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 5:07 AM

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Sounds like the ODST game we need

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tfw Vaughan and Quinn were the only ones to speak in the DLC

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Though it was great banter

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 5:09 AM

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It was

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~~Even though they were talking about holographic decoys all the time~~

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I mean I love Halo Wars for being a Halo RTS

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But it I hate it for stuff like that

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 5:10 AM

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The context sensitive dialogue is something I always liked

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Tiny bits of dialogue when you order your unit around that reveal their personality the more you play

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 5:11 AM

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Context sensitive dialogue is awesome

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What I meant was

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 5:11 AM

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Not perfect at all but a neat method

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 5:11 AM

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Holographic decoys A) existing and B) being used on a Halo Wars scale distress me

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I mean maybe it's drones

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But there's not a lot of precedent there

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 5:12 AM

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Hopefully

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Restoration Drones I assume was just a bot with a regen field in the sky

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 5:12 AM

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Like try reading Contact Harvest or The Fall of Reach

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And then try to imagine that in that universe there is also holographic decoy tech on the battlefield

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Btw let's be absolutely clear for a moment

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Let's set the record straight

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There is no such thing as a "regen field" in the Halo universe

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If there was, nobody would ever die

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It'd be a magical, wonderful realm

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 5:13 AM

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Just a gameplay thing then

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 5:14 AM

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Yes, just a gameplay thing.

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 5:14 AM

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But the canon counterpart must be something related to fast healing

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 5:14 AM

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In all likelihood, it's just an in-game way of depicting the notion of performing a medivac/reinforcement drop/field repairs.

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Just like maybe holographic decoys are a way of depicting sick electronic warfare hacking stuff

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 5:15 AM

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Forgehog with that nanomachine aura

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Hmm

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Holograms in HW2 can be uncovered by detection units

fossil eagle Jul 19, 2019, 5:16 AM

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Perhaps it emits nanomachines to rapidly repair armour plating? Or simply serves as a temporary shield enhancement?

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The Regenerator, that is.

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Oh.

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You already speculated that.

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 5:17 AM

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It's sorta... levels of canon, I guess. We've gotta be discerning in the way we approach the Halo universe.

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Like, I prefer things as grounded as possible

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 5:17 AM

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Gameplay wise, if an enemy uses holograms, from your perspective, it appears as if there's a normal unit on the field, but when. You got a detection unit, it shows that blue hologram(s)

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 5:17 AM

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And I'm personally within my rights to interpret stuff in a more grounded way

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But if you prefer things to be more literal to gameplay

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That's also cool

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 5:18 AM

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So...I have no idea how to ground that into canon

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 5:18 AM

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Halopedia editing can kinda make you look at things in a really encyclopedic way, as if there's one objective canonical truth

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Which there's not, really.

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Not even close.

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 5:18 AM

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The hologram I guess is sort of like the armor ability in Reach/4, but on a massive scale

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 5:18 AM

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Every bit of media is canon unto itself and everything's just an interpretation of a nebulous, tasty mass of Halo-ness.

fossil eagle Jul 19, 2019, 5:20 AM

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Halo Wars, outside of the official narrative of the games, is practically non-canon when it comes to gameplay elements. There's just so many contradictions that have to be made to balance the gameplay.

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 5:20 AM

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My personal interpretation, however, is that strategic large-scale engagements in the Halo universe would look almost virtually nothing like they do in Halo Wars, and Halo Wars is a purely fantastical interpretation of warfare with fantastical expediencies standing in for what may be real tactical notions.

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 5:20 AM

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And the detection unit has the ability to unmask cloaking, so maybe there's some heat generated by the HW2 holograms that tricks radars
Ok I have no idea if my interpretation makes sense

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Wait radars are movement based

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Dangit

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 5:21 AM

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Information warfare and electronic trickery is 100% a huge part of warfare in the Halo universe. Do huge armies of holograms march around on the field of battle?

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I doubt it.

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 5:22 AM

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I love HW2's wackiness

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If it isn't the absurd amount of mechs

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 5:22 AM

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Obviously every army has ways of reinforcing and taking care of causalities and getting mangled vehicles back in the fight. Is it a big round circle of green energy with a few drones buzzing about? No.

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Drones are certainly involved

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But so, in all likelihood, are dropships, trauma units, repair teams

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Etc etc

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 5:22 AM

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It's stuff like ice cream trucks and cannon fodder

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Yes the Nightingale is strange

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All the lines suggest he's a mechanic and a combat medic ~~that has had enough with everyone's shenanigans~~

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 5:24 AM

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My interpretation is that the nightingale is just a drone control station. During the insurrection, similar vehicles might be used for coordinating ARGUS drones or munitions-deployment systems.

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But those capabilities also mean that they can be used by teams of personnel specializing in medical drones

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 5:24 AM

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Also smokescreen

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 5:25 AM

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Carrying horribly wounded personnel from the battlefield so their comrades can fight on or performing first-aid to the fallen who cannot be reached

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Other drones might be equipped to cut away half-melted armour plates and affix new ones

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 5:25 AM

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And a detection unit, assuming there's any canon relation, the Nightingale has some specialized tech

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 5:26 AM

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Presumably, it's a sophisticated suite with control over many types of drones.

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 5:26 AM

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Though I dunno if active camo being detected by machines is grounded

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 5:26 AM

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Well, VISR can do it well enough.

fossil eagle Jul 19, 2019, 5:27 AM

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If Halo Infinite's plot echoes instead of rhymes then I'm going to do a poo poo in my pants.

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 5:27 AM

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So I'll ignore the gameplay element of the camo straight up breaking to be just the unit being highlighted through something like VISR

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 5:28 AM

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That'd be the best option, yes xD

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 5:28 AM

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The idea of a camo generator not working because a Wolverine drove by is funny though

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 5:28 AM

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Whatever it is, if it's truly a valid representation (and I assume on some basis it is), then it's some kind of sensor suite picking up on active camo and relaying what it's finding to the battlenet.

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Which is what makes it a little triggering that HW2 in-game Marines don't have tactical eyewear of any kind

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So it'd be real difficult to get info like that to them in an expedient way

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 5:30 AM

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I guess they get it from the AR?

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 5:30 AM

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Or in a way that they can get much use of aside from "active camo users are active in this area at present".

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 5:30 AM

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Allieri: "We know the Banished are using cloaking technology, but your detectors should be able to spot any hidden units."

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 5:30 AM

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My bet would be on holographic HUDs.

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Monodirectionally visible.

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I think H2A sorta hints at it with little lights on the inside of the Marine's helmets visible in cutscenes

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 5:31 AM

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Oh those things

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 5:31 AM

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Don't see what's wrong with a nice pair of goggles but I guess it might be good redundancy and comfortable so 🤷

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But if an enemy was shooting miniaturized suns at me I'd want auto-polarizing goggles

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Let me tell you

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It's a toss up between goggles for practicality and tactical eyepieces for style

agile lotus Jul 19, 2019, 5:32 AM

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Couldn’t ODST VISRs pick up the faint outlines of cloaked Brutes?

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 5:33 AM

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Yes, we mentioned that.

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But let's be real here

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Anyone who decides against giving UNSC soldiers tactical eyescreens is a monster

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Unless it's in Halo 2 cuz those Marines' battle dress is beautiful

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But you gotta have eyescreens

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C'mon

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Who even took them away

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Why

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The fact that the Reach style pops up with them is one of the many things that makes it the best

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 5:36 AM

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Makes the Marine squad feel more like cannon fodder

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 5:36 AM

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And seeing them used en-masse in Halo CE

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It's perfection

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Speaking of which the best Marines are actually in CEA

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Halo Reach body armour? Check.

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MA5C? Check.

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Consistent eyescreens? Check.

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 5:37 AM

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Those camping trip bois with the heaviest looking backpacks ever?

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 5:37 AM

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Check

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 5:37 AM

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Sure maybe

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 5:37 AM

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I mean if you're running around on 04 fighting a guerilla war you want to bring your stuff with you

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 5:37 AM

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I actually like the unarmored Marines in CEA

fossil eagle Jul 19, 2019, 5:37 AM

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Neural Interface and some eye implants, perhaps?

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 5:37 AM

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The eye implants theory was a compelling one

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Kinda gets debunked though

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They specifically removed the only source for them from The Flood

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Keyes had something like em

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 5:38 AM

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The color is more urban combat? This is a complete guess

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 5:38 AM

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But it got changed to him having a neat little watch

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But also

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If you think CEA Marine's backpacks are heavy looking

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You should see some of the things soldiers have to carry in real life

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UNSC Marines are grav-conditioned. I think.

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They can take it.

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 5:39 AM

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I have, it looks all slow

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Seeing a CEA marine roll with that stuff is cool tbh

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But the reason why I like the unarmored CEA Marines is because those fatigues look cool

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 5:40 AM

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The fatigues are good

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 5:40 AM

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Why didn't Keyes have them : (

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 5:40 AM

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And the people who say they make them look fat are terrible people

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Because Keyes wanted to look fabulous I presume

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But I pretend he was actually appropriately dressed

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 5:42 AM

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I am very confused on the HW2 sniper design

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Like, the person himself

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That weird helmet

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The odd sniper holder on his back, even though Halo established you can just slap a sniper on you back

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 5:43 AM

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Well there's limits

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 5:43 AM

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But it all ties together with the Australian accent

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 5:44 AM

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I assume the helmet is a crazy as heck VR tactical sniping super-scanning thingo

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 5:44 AM

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Maybe even part of the camo

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 5:44 AM

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And the sniper holder is just for extra convenience.

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 5:44 AM

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I unless the drone does the camo

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 5:45 AM

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Some UNSC soldiers have preferred straps in the past

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 5:45 AM

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Makes sense

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The sniper is huge

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Oddly enough a new animation was inserted in the Spearbreaker DLC

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Where the sniper runs with the M99 not attached to the holder, but just his back

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 5:47 AM

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Huh

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 5:48 AM

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https://youtu.be/u-YwMK9AJt8
2:28

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 5:50 AM

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Interesting.

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 5:52 AM

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Huh, the drone seems to be cloaked at all times

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Man I've forgotten how awesome these units looked

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Hellbringer redesign is best

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Also love the varying accents, shows the UNSC has people from many places, ~~all Earth based but what can you do~~

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 5:55 AM

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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Might as well get crazy with it

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Try and represent as many accents as possible

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Just to ram home the Unified Earth in UEG

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Or United Nations in UNSC, take your pick xD

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'Long as they're all fully proficient and legible English speakers, tho, for military purposes.

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 5:59 AM

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All that's left was a Spanish accent and Canadian (no idea what they sound like whoops)

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 5:59 AM

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I think they need more Eastern European and Asian

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And also African

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 5:59 AM

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Oh right

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The Grizzly is at least Russian, which is hilarious

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Can't tell what the Mantis is

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 6:00 AM

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Y'know the sort of thing that'd be awesomely random?

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Chinese-accented Marine infantry

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Female French tank operator

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 6:01 AM

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The Southern US Hornet pilot brings back memories of the school bus

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Don't ask

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 6:02 AM

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The hornet accent is great.

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And I won't, don't worry.

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 6:03 AM

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No I did not see my driver shoot fish in a barrel
Yes they all yelled about other cars I mean Banished at some point

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Something I also like is the different personalities
I know having gung ho military is/should be a thing, but I do enjoy stuff like the Wolverine being unconfident, Nightingale being a grumpy man, Scorpion being the grizzled vet, Warthog being the happiest driver

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That also applies to the Banished

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Elite Rangers are ruthless and pragmatic
Locusts are the loudest thing but get scared easily
Shroud is calm and patient

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It's all very stereotypical, but in a way it helps identify how the pilot is one with their vehicle, and tbh I associate the designs with the character behind it more

prisma oasis Jul 19, 2019, 2:18 PM

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Here’s a question about what I always wonder: Why is The Arbiter mission of Halo 2 considered to be after the Coastal Highway of Halo 3: ODST in chronological order despite The Arbiter date being October 20, 2552 and the Coastal Highway date being October 21, 2552?

vivid dust Jul 19, 2019, 2:21 PM

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where is it considered that way?

prisma oasis Jul 19, 2019, 2:21 PM

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https://halo.fandom.com/wiki/Coastal_Highway

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https://halo.fandom.com/wiki/The_Arbiter

vivid dust Jul 19, 2019, 2:22 PM

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https://www.halopedia.org/2552#October well

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I guess that's what you're referring to

prisma oasis Jul 19, 2019, 2:23 PM

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https://www.halopedia.org/Coastal_Highway

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October 21, 2552 comes after October 20, 2552 for what we all definitely know well about.

carmine sleet Jul 19, 2019, 2:35 PM

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The events of ODST happen alongside the events of Halo 2. The reason why The Arbiter happens after Coastal Highway is because it happens a day before Arbiter took down the Heretics at Threshold

trail flame Jul 19, 2019, 2:38 PM

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So it shouldn't be considered that the Arbiter mission happens after Coastal Highway

carmine sleet Jul 19, 2019, 2:39 PM

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Aye, my bad, thanks Slammington

prisma oasis Jul 19, 2019, 2:46 PM

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What about time wise though?

carmine sleet Jul 19, 2019, 2:46 PM

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What do you mean?

humble yacht Jul 19, 2019, 2:55 PM

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It’s not like time stops for other characters while you’re playing arbiter missions.

prisma oasis Jul 19, 2019, 3:29 PM

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@humble yacht Yeah I know but I needed to get more into detail about this stuff though.

cerulean sand Jul 19, 2019, 5:08 PM

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Please don't @ the mods just for your safety

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 5:09 PM

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Chimera doesn't bite

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I've checked

humble yacht Jul 19, 2019, 5:18 PM

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maybe not but it's good advice

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 5:24 PM

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dance

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 5:31 PM

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i swear someone a while back made a theory on how ODST was originally meant to take place on a different date but was changed last minute

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 5:34 PM

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I remember the first time I was playing through ODST expecting the Flood to crash land towards the end

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Boy, what a fool I was

ashen wharf Jul 19, 2019, 5:41 PM

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Lol

last anchor Jul 19, 2019, 5:42 PM

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Little bit too early for that Loot

ashen wharf Jul 19, 2019, 5:44 PM

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Was so disappointed when I played halo4 and flood was replaced with promethiuns.

carmine sleet Jul 19, 2019, 5:44 PM

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Well, the Flood was never intended to appear in Halo 4

ashen wharf Jul 19, 2019, 5:44 PM

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I know

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But I didn’t know that cause I got into halo around 2014

humble yacht Jul 19, 2019, 5:46 PM

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thinkingchief

ashen wharf Jul 19, 2019, 5:46 PM

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First played 3 and 4 then reach

humble yacht Jul 19, 2019, 5:46 PM

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but the Flood is defeated at the end of 3

ashen wharf Jul 19, 2019, 5:47 PM

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But only the flood that escaped containment.

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Flood still exists in forruner faciltys

humble yacht Jul 19, 2019, 5:48 PM

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not all forerunner facilities

ashen wharf Jul 19, 2019, 5:48 PM

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I know but still

stable schooner Jul 19, 2019, 6:16 PM

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Lol when I first played ODST I could tell it was during Halo 2 cause of Regrets carrier but thought Dare was a Spartan. I also completed the missions out of order.

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 6:35 PM

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that means you walked for a long time in Mombasa Streets

last anchor Jul 19, 2019, 6:36 PM

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Rookie had a concussion and just sorta bumbled around for a bit

stable schooner Jul 19, 2019, 6:52 PM

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Yeah I did Bucks first Mission then his last Mission, then Mickeys Mission, then Dutches first Mission, Romeos Mission then Dutches last Mission.

last anchor Jul 19, 2019, 6:52 PM

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Woops

stable schooner Jul 19, 2019, 6:54 PM

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I for some reason couldn’t for the life of me figure out how to click on the clues to start the missions

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Never killed a Engineer though got that achievement first try on accident.

last anchor Jul 19, 2019, 7:02 PM

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I kept trying to save them because I knew they were valuable (thank you Nylund)
I saw one and I was like "Oooohhh and Engineer!"
So I killed all the Covies...and it blew up.

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 7:09 PM

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"dang why u no give me overshield"

stable schooner Jul 19, 2019, 7:09 PM

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Ahh I hate Flood Spores I which they were never made a thing. Their too inconsistent. When Vergil’s Shield actually saves you on Legendary.

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Here’s a question if Corporeal Loviks team got attacked first by the Flood why is his forces mostly unharmed and still alive?

humble yacht Jul 19, 2019, 7:17 PM

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when outrunning the Flood, you don't have to be faster than the Flood. You just have to be faster than the rest of your team

stable schooner Jul 19, 2019, 7:21 PM

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Well his team made it out to sooo. Funny but not really true

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 7:22 PM

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Like, are you looking for an exact order of events here?

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Because your guess is as good as mine.

humble yacht Jul 19, 2019, 7:22 PM

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well what if his team just outran the other teams

stable schooner Jul 19, 2019, 7:23 PM

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No I know the order of events. Lovik tells Johnson he’s being attacked by the Flood then the Flood Attack Johnson’s Team

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 7:23 PM

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Or, the Flood went for further teams first knowing that his couldn't ultimately escape.

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Sorta shock and awe tactics

stable schooner Jul 19, 2019, 7:23 PM

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But Lovik and his men mostly made it out.

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 7:23 PM

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Sorry, just so we're on the same page here, what team exactly is this and when?

stable schooner Jul 19, 2019, 7:24 PM

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The 9 marines at the end of 343 Guilty Spark

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Led by Corporeal Lovik, same Marine as the one in the comms with Johnson

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Who are the first to get attacked by the flood.

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 7:25 PM

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So does the fact that they're Lovik's team come from The Flood?

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Halopedia seems have made an assumption in that department. I just assumed that they were a collection of Marine survivors from all units in the facility.

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 7:27 PM

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wonder how many were sent

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like, maybe 2 platoons?

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 7:28 PM

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But it's not impossible, Byzantine, that if it is Lovik's squad they could've managed to fight off their Flood, and the wave that came in on Johnson's team was much bigger.

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We don't even remotely know what that engagement looked like.

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But like... didn't Lovik obviously die over the radio?

stable schooner Jul 19, 2019, 7:29 PM

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Why would a Corporeal have a bigger squad though? I’m not saying their escape is impossible though I guess he was given the best Marines.

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 7:29 PM

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No, the Flood could've come at him in smaller numbers

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 7:29 PM

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what's a squad size again?

stable schooner Jul 19, 2019, 7:29 PM

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See that’s what it sounds like in the comm

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 7:29 PM

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Or through a chokepoint.

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A squad size is 13 men, typically - usually corporals lead fireteams.

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But it's a fair assumption that the sergeant might have died and he was acting squad leader.

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Like, earlier in the battle of 04 I mean.

stable schooner Jul 19, 2019, 7:30 PM

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Like Lovik is screaming over the comms but survives somehow

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 7:31 PM

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I don't see why anyone thinks he survived.

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Unless it's from The Flood.

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Though on squad sizes personally I think it's way more fluid than it seems like - 4-6 for a fireteam, 1-2 fireteams per squad.

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Hard to imagine a pelican-borne squad being larger than the pelican's bay can seat.

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So two fireteams of five seems like a fairly decent average for Marine infantry units.

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 7:33 PM

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Fireteam Charlie is oversized then due to the shenanigans that was landing on a hula hoop

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 7:34 PM

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Yeah, it is.

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Actually Fireteam Zulu is

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Charlie is fine

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 7:34 PM

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Fireteam Zulu was just those few marines though?

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not counting the bois near the tank

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 7:35 PM

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I assumed that the bois near the tank were also Zulu

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I actually thought the implication was that every Marine in the level was part of Zulu

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But perhaps not

stable schooner Jul 19, 2019, 7:36 PM

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Yep seems the Flood is what Confirms Lovik is the same Marine.

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 7:36 PM

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Well you know my stance on The Flood when it comes to canonical issues.

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That said, it's not entirely unlikely that Lovik's squad is what made to safety.

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As I said, you don't know what actually happened.

stable schooner Jul 19, 2019, 7:36 PM

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I don’t care what anyone says Johnson in Assault on the Control Room is Canon.

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 7:37 PM

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I mean, doesn't he appear twice? xD

stable schooner Jul 19, 2019, 7:37 PM

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In the mission no

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 7:37 PM

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Yeah he does

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First time near the Scorp

stable schooner Jul 19, 2019, 7:37 PM

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Nope second Sergeant is always Stacker

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 7:38 PM

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I swear I've had two of him before - odd.

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But yeah, no way he was there. Sorry.

stable schooner Jul 19, 2019, 7:38 PM

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Johnson always appears with Unique lines by the Scorpion

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 7:38 PM

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Considering how Marine personalities were treated in Halo CE, he was probably just a similar looking Marine NCO

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Heck, considering how Marine personalities are treated.

stable schooner Jul 19, 2019, 7:39 PM

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Yet his appearance in the mission Halo is considered Canon

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 7:39 PM

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when you only have 2 sarge models, things are a bit limiting

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 7:39 PM

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As I'm always saying, the idea of treating Chips Dubbo and Stacker or whatever as being actual canonical figures that always appear where they do in the game is frankly absurd.

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Yes, those names have popped up

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But they're just personality archetypes to give variety, not people.

stable schooner Jul 19, 2019, 7:40 PM

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Except it’s always Johnson at the Scorpion and at the Foreunner Structure. Except one encounter made it into the Flood being the Foreunner Tower on in Halo.

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 7:40 PM

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I mean the UNSC is huge

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The PoA's compliment is huge

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What are the odds of so consistently running into these Marines, even if they did survive 04?

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Basically nil.

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It makes no sense.

stable schooner Jul 19, 2019, 7:41 PM

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Stacker in Halo 2 is Canon mind can’t be changed.

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 7:41 PM

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i mean that makes sense

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 7:41 PM

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I don't know why you're so steadfast on this

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It's something out of nothing

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It's like, fake canon knowledge

stable schooner Jul 19, 2019, 7:42 PM

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He has Special stats, 2. He’s Named.3. Has his own Cutscene 4. Always appears at certain scripted encounters.

carmine sleet Jul 19, 2019, 7:42 PM

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They could've just been transferred to a unit that was on the In Amber Clad

humble yacht Jul 19, 2019, 7:42 PM

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I think he's just trying to get a rise out of you, Looters

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 7:42 PM

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i mean doesn't Stacker appear in some encounters in Halo 3 that make no sense?

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 7:42 PM

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I doubt it - I see this everywhere.

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 7:42 PM

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like as in teleport from one place of a level to another

humble yacht Jul 19, 2019, 7:43 PM

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oh, the "change my mind" statement?

stable schooner Jul 19, 2019, 7:43 PM

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Thanks Chimera30 real helpful I’m not trying to turn this hostile.

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 7:43 PM

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People say change my mind now

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It's in the common lexicon

humble yacht Jul 19, 2019, 7:43 PM

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Yeah they aren't actually looking to have their minds changed

stable schooner Jul 19, 2019, 7:43 PM

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I said my mind can’t be changed. Reading skills my guy

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 7:44 PM

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Anyone else find it jarring how graphic the violence in the books is compared to the games?

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It's just realistic in the books.

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I use my imagination in the games 🤷

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I don’t have an issue with it honestly I just find it neat.

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Though I would like a bit more gore

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I don’t think Halo will ever go back to the level of violence say, CE has. A T-rating is just more appealing when it comes to over all sales and whatnot.

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Yeah, it's the unfortunate truth.

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But I think Microsoft are wrong to think that way, though.

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I mean look at Doom

stable schooner Jul 19, 2019, 7:45 PM

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How is CE more violent then Halo 2 and 3 though?

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 7:46 PM

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Epic blood splatter

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I just used CE as an example.

humble yacht Jul 19, 2019, 7:46 PM

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Who says microsoft thinks a T rating sells more?

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 7:46 PM

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Though 2 is about equal

stable schooner Jul 19, 2019, 7:46 PM

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Same in Halo 2.

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 7:46 PM

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Also yeah CE has so much blood it’s absurd.

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I mean I just assumed it was a Microsoft decision, Chimera.

humble yacht Jul 19, 2019, 7:46 PM

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heavy assumption

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Microsoft doesn't rate games

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 7:46 PM

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In a property depicting a war with powerful weaponry, I personally consider it to be more honest to show violence.

carmine sleet Jul 19, 2019, 7:46 PM

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The rating isn't decided by Microsoft or 343i, it's by the ESRB or PEGI depending on the region

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 7:46 PM

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A T rating does objectively open a game up to a wider audience, since more people can purchase and play it then.

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Yes, but obviously devs target a certain rating.

remote spruce Jul 19, 2019, 7:47 PM

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so i think Halo uses "squad" and "fireteam" interchangeably and that's not fun

humble yacht Jul 19, 2019, 7:47 PM

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Well the most sold game of all time is GTA V

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well, maybe in the US

carmine sleet Jul 19, 2019, 7:47 PM

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Targeting for a rating doesn't matter if they get given a rating that's different

humble yacht Jul 19, 2019, 7:48 PM

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it's behind Minecraft and Tetris.

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 7:48 PM

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Yeah, also I don’t know if it’s true or not but.

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Yes, Slipstream - are you trying to argue that 343 didn't make the choice to reduce blood splatter and never introduce gore or dismemberment?

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Apparently the ESRB literally only continued giving Halo a Mature rating “because it’s Halo”

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It could explain why Halo Reach and 4, which have more moderate levels of violence, were still Mature rated.

stable schooner Jul 19, 2019, 7:49 PM

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Though I don’t think anything compares to Halo CEs torn up Elites on Guilty Spark in the Classic Trilogy

humble yacht Jul 19, 2019, 7:49 PM

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well I don't know about that. Would be a dereliction of duty to not fairly rate a game

versed helm Jul 19, 2019, 7:49 PM

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The ESRB is also a private company so they can ultimately rate a game however they want.

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Well I've hard arguments that in Reach the thing that pushed it over the edge was assassinations