But was he ordering the engines or the ship to reverse thrust?
#lore-and-universe
versed helm
humble yacht
he said "All engines, reverse thrust!"
versed helm
That answers that.
I guess the implied statement is "all forward-facing thrusters which draw power from the engines, reverse thrust."
humble yacht
that's a pretty major thing to leave to implication
limpid meadow
Unless there's someway to reverse the thrust of the main engines.
I recall Star Wars Episode III having a ship that could do that
versed helm
But I mean, the reason I say that is that "engine" seems to have pretty direct correlations with the rear thrusters.
limpid meadow
It put large covers over the engines so the thrust direction was reversed.
During that opening scene when Anikin and Obi are crashing
versed helm
Well, Warfleet does say that UNSC fusion engines use "thrust-vectoring plates and magnetic fields to increase manoeuvrability".
I assumed that just meant directing thrust in a typical thrust-vectoring way.
Y'know, pointing your thrusters in different directions to do stuff.
humble yacht
Infinity's engines aren't fusion, afaik
versed helm
On the destroyer page this is, btw.
humble yacht
nevermind, it is fusion
versed helm
"The superheated exhaust is redirected with thrust-vectoring plates and magnetic fields to increase manoeuvrability".
That can't mean it could, like, transition its thrust the opposite direction. It'd be ridiculous.
You could probably re-orientate thrust, like, pretty far off to the side though.
Well, this is probably case-closed.
I do really hate situations where you can't take visual representations as true canon, though.
fair hazel
Fusion powered reupulsor
Répulsor
For
Infinity. The boeglin fields engines it has. They’re not the standard engines
chrome pasture
I see
halcyon remnant
Hey
:)
I'm reading Halo cryptum and I'm extremely confused t some things
I'm at the part where the didact and the others leave the cryptum on a space ship
What ship is it
@fair hazel
:o
fair hazel
The planet-breaker?
tidal junco
Okay. So in halo 5 the arbiter has a tattoo on his arm with the arrows pointing down. Is that a symbol of something in the halo universe?
gilded mason
I assume. Though I don't remember seeing that symbol anywhere else.
tidal junco
I think it looks really cool. I kinda want one like that. But I just wanted to know if it meant anything.
storm flume
Probably something from Sangheili culture, or the 'Vadam house
Perhaps marking him as the leader of the house
stable schooner
It’s Sangheili encryption for “ I miss the old Elites”
abstract zealot
To me, a a certain Johnson quote that almost certainly can get you trouble feels like a fitting response. (Also yes. I tried fitting what Kat said before Operation: UPPER CUT)
teal knot
Don't shake the lightbulb?
abstract zealot
Nah. One of the ones from CE. Idk why it was the only thing that felt like a fitting response.
fossil eagle
"This is it, baby. Hold me."
abstract zealot
Lol let’s just go with that one.
fossil eagle
I honestly don't know what your post from twelve minutes ago is in response to.
inner basin
I thought it was the Regret quote he said in Halo 2 (it’s in the intro cutscene to Outskirts)
stable schooner
Underrated quotes are the Johnson Speech’s in CE. Which I don’t quote cause their so long and brutal
abstract zealot
One of those quotes was the one I was referring to lol
stable schooner
It’s like Chill Johnson
fossil eagle
gimme quote
abstract zealot
Sorry. I like being unmuted lol
fossil eagle
I've got a personal inbox too.
stable schooner
Just look up the Mission Pillar of Autumn Transcript. I’d rather not get my comment deleted or Muted
fossil eagle
Does it involve dumb bugs?
abstract zealot
Maybe.
stable schooner
Something something choking on blood
Yeah dang Johnson was Brutal. No Chill on Legendary
fossil eagle
When he joined the UNSC, his platoon only had a rock and two sticks. The former of which had to be shared.
stable schooner
But was their a pool of their own blood to drown in?
fossil eagle
No armour, no firearms, no food, no shelter.
Just a rock and two sticks for forty people.
opal flame
My philosophy is if you have even the littlest advantage no matter what it is, Using it to its full us can. Greatly pay off with determination to successes even with little to none advantage of that something. Like a rocks and a stick.. Its something. no point crying about it lol
make due.
inner basin
Well if your getting fired at with bullets, there ain’t much you can do with two sticks and a rock (that is shared amongst 40 or however many a platoon is).
tidal junco
Guys. I can't find any info on the arbiters tattoo in halo 5.
It's driving me crazy.
gilded mason
Yeah, what we see in-game is all we know of it.
tidal junco
That bugs me.
Usually alotta care is put into small character details.
Also. Where did chief get the big mark on his chest plate?
/when?
gilded mason
Back in Halo 3 when he crash landed in the jungle
tidal junco
Coz like. That mark has been there ever since. So I thought it was significant somehow 😂
gilded mason
Well, it ain't in Halo 5 since he got new armor.
gilded mason
Ah
trail flame
Is the infected San'Shyuum in the Gravemind cutscene in Halo 2 the Prophet of Regret?
carmine sleet
It is, he even says his name
trail flame
Was he not killed by Chief though? How come he ends up there, alive?
I played Halo 2 ages ago but my memory is failing me now
😄
carmine sleet
The Gravemind is using his corpse to help prove a point to Arbiter
humble yacht
Chief did kill Regret, but the body was still fresh by the time the gravemind got a hold of it, so it was able to partially absorb it in a way that revived Regret and let him keep a sense of individuality. Though he was still technically Flood
humble yacht
That’s why, when regret speaks in that scene, you can hear him struggling and seemingly in pain
humble yacht
Now they are
trail flame
He does seem to be in massive pain
So he basically gets brought back to life so that he could be slowly killed
versed helm
And terrified
Continually re-absorbed into a hulking mass of decomposing flesh and FSC
humble yacht
At the time when players first see that scene, while it is scary, in a lot of ways Regret deserved that punishment
trail flame
I'm pretty sure all of the three prophets had it coming
versed helm
Primarily for being so dumb he didn't look into the matter further after he found out the whole reclamation thing was
humble yacht
Not only was Regret largely responsible for the near-extinction of the human race, he also lied to his own followers
versed helm
Uh
trail flame
Truth got let off easy, an energy sword through the chest is a lot better than being slowly consumed by flood
versed helm
Not valid
humble yacht
Not exactly
versed helm
Well it basically is
humble yacht
The whole covenant religion was based off of a false translation
versed helm
The Forerunners were our space daddies all along
humble yacht
They thought the forerunners went on a Great journey to become gods
trail flame
This was because of a translation?
humble yacht
And that the age of Reclamation was the change for worthy followers like the covenant to also become gods
trail flame
I always thought they just made the illogical assumption that dead = transcended
versed helm
Well they also made that
humble yacht
However, mendicant Bias revealed to the prophets that the glyph they thought meant Reclamation actually meant Reclaimer
And was in reference to humanity
trail flame
When was this, more or less?
versed helm
In the novel Contact Harvest
Hah
A mod
Stung by their own hornet
Anyways basically it happened when the Covenant ran into humanity
There was a whole thing with the luminaries
The devices the Covenant used to track down Forerunner tech
humble yacht
The existence of humanity as the inheritors to the Forerunners disproved the prophets theory of all Forerunners becoming gods
versed helm
Well specifically of the notion that the Covenant could become gods.
humble yacht
And so the three prophets we know and hate hid the truth
versed helm
From the Covenant perspective, it would seem that humanity were intended to ascend.
fossil eagle
Wait, that was ||Mendicant Bias aboard the keyship in Contact Harvest?||
carmine sleet
A fragment of him, yes
fossil eagle
Was that from CH or was it revealed in the Forerunner Trilogy?
humble yacht
The same fragment they stashed on High charity and snuck its way onto the key ship
limpid meadow
The fragment was always onboard the Keyship
halcyon remnant
@fair hazel what's the planet breaker
I can't even find an image that defines it
versed helm
Is that the Spartan Assault thing?
limpid meadow
Are you talking about a NOVA bomb?
halcyon remnant
No
limpid meadow
Which book?
halcyon remnant
I'm talking about
limpid meadow
Oooh
halcyon remnant
Wait
versed helm
Seems like their analogue of a light carrier, maybe.
versed helm
Y'know
limpid meadow
And his was custom-made
halcyon remnant
:p
versed helm
Wait wait
I don't think that was a planet breaker
He used a planet breaker in Cryptum
limpid meadow
Check the link you just posted dude
halcyon remnant
It's kinda weird
versed helm
Phew, that's a relief xD
versed helm
Anyways not everything in the books has a picture associated with them.
It's the same as asking "show me what Preston Cole's original light destroyer looks like", y'know?
Some stuff just exists purely in words.
Like Hard Sound Rifles.
And Cupid's Knives.
limpid meadow
Dude, those things are INSANE!
versed helm
They're a creepy concept for sure.
halcyon remnant
Ye but
It's hard to get an understanding of alien tech where I can't understand what it is
versed helm
The thing that interests me most about cupid's knives is that they seem to indicate an even higher level of neurological control capability than we anticipated
Like the Spartan NIs were fairly revolutionary
versed helm
Glaxion, do you read many books?
versed helm
It's sorta expected that you use your imagination a bit.
That's why there's no pictures.
versed helm
Then it doesn't matter until you see a correct interpretation
As long as your interpretation serves the story
halcyon remnant
:'(
limpid meadow
Plus interpretation is what makes lore so much fun!
versed helm
But yeah, cupid's knives indicate to me that thought-control might be more commonplace than we think.
Like, devices which read intent and precise thoughts.
So conceivably a UNSC Marine might be able to activate their comm device by thinking about it.
halcyon remnant
Yea ok so I imagine it has a the biggest ship ever only to be revealed later that it's tiny
versed helm
You know, stuff like that.
limpid meadow
Mjolnir already works via thought, so far from inconceivable
halcyon remnant
Like for example
Sizes in books are really vague
A light covenant ship can be huge to a unsc one
versed helm
limpid meadow
Yeah, but they often given you a sense of scale
So you can get a generally decent idea
halcyon remnant
So when they say it's a small or big ship
versed helm
Halopedia managed to wring all of that out of Cryptum.
A planet-breaker changed its overall shape and configuration depending on the situation. In spaceflight, the ship was ovoid-shaped and approximately 800 meters long.
Clearly Greg did his job and described the vessel adequately enough for you to get a functional idea of what it is.
But in some instances, in other books, you might find that things are only mentioned in passing.
halcyon remnant
In nthe books prior to the Halo forerunner saga by just saying the name of the ships I knew what was going on
Now I don't
versed helm
Funnily enough, many of the ships from books that aren't in the Forerunner trilogy only existed in the books.
For instance, marathon-class heavy cruiser.
It wasn't a central part of TFoR, but there's a lot you can infer from that.
It's a heavy cruiser, which likely means it's a relatively large standardized pattern of warship.
A good book tells you everything you need to know.
halcyon remnant
Their tech is too messy
versed helm
You just gotta pay attention.
halcyon remnant
It's difficult
versed helm
Read more and you'll get used to it.
The Forerunner Trilogy can be kinda difficult to follow though.
It's very... Myth-like, in how its presented.
Some things which are extremely advanced by our standards are taken for granted.
But that's Greg Bear as an author for you.
versed helm
Is it that you don't understand the technology, or is it still a matter of visualizing it?
Because I mean, I guess I can try and give you my description of things if you tell me what chapter it's in and what specifically you want explained.
versed helm
And specifically, what are you asking me?
stable schooner
Man I wish Regret wasn’t killed he would have completely changed the Schism.
gilded mason
I guess it'd depend in what way he'd defy Truth.
stable schooner
He already did that by going to Delta Halo and Earth. I would see him siding with the Elites which would cause other species to abandon Truth and Mercy even more. However it could also probably lead to another huge Anti-Human Separatist faction. Unless Regret lies to protect his power and acts like Truth pulled a lie on him to. And so ends up siding with Humanity as a political figure among the Elites.
I won’t lie I which they pulled a Dragon ball and Spared Tartarus And Regret. Having Tartarus lead a Anti-Truth faction or Leading the Brutes in Halo 3 would have been great.
versed helm
did the didact die in the halo 4 follow up comic or did he die in game in the weird generator hole thing
humble yacht
he didn't die in either
versed helm
he's still alive
versed helm
what is he just crippled somewhere in space ?
oh right
so he just doesn't have a physical body nowadays ?
humble yacht
nope
versed helm
like cortana ?
humble yacht
well not exactly like her
Cortana was never a biological being
there are subtle differences between AI and Composed beings
versed helm
halsey but yeah I get you
humble yacht
Being born from Halsey is not the same thing as being Halsey
humble yacht
their personalities are not the same
versed helm
Honestly it's just a mapping procedure that somehow takes a specific individual's neural layout and uses it to recreate consciousness based on their biology.
humble yacht
smarter people make smarter AI
versed helm
The things that shape personality - the chemical cocktail of emotions, the traits gained through socialization - are not overwhelmingly present in a way you can say that the AI adopts their personality.
But certain predispositions do lead to certain anomalous similarities and even flashes of recognition.
Like how the smart AI Sif briefly related her tasks on Harvest's space elevator to the sensation of hair-brushing.
is the halo ring from 1 still active ?
gilded mason
Its second replacement is.
versed helm
ah ok
limpid meadow
Depends on what you mean by "still active"
stable schooner
That ring can never get a break.
gilded mason
born to die
humble yacht
yeah
gilded mason
Not really
humble yacht
Nightfall
limpid meadow
Also Fireteam Apollo was sent there
versed helm
Man, Nightfall seems to be popping up everywhere today
humble yacht
Knightfall > Nightfall
obsidian thistle
Blame the Halopedians for putting it in folks minds as of late xD
humble yacht
How can you be salty at a work of fiction?
did Nightfall beat you in a round of Slayer?
versed helm
Well oftentimes it feels as if I'm in a battle with Halo to maintain the stability of the universe
Maybe you can relate
The stability in my own interpretation, I mean. My own idea of it. Really it's a battle to have everything make sense.
Nightfall is defeating me, though.
Also it's really sad they missed the opportunity to have that MA5D in it change its display to a targeting camera or have pop-up ironsights when the dude uses it without a helmet
I know very few people fixate on that specific Halo weapon as much as I do
But it would've been neat
humble yacht
yeah I can't relate
versed helm
Honestly I was just talking nonsense
It's pretty obvious how the emotion of being salty, which I interpret as being frustrated or annoyed, could be felt in response to Nightfall's myriad plotholes and lacklustre elements.
I was just trying to play along with your little smarty-pants moment, I guess.
gilded mason
I want to see Spartans hug CGI Covenant
humble yacht
Spartans shoot CGI covenant in the opening to Halo 4, and in Halo Wars, I think
stable schooner
Man those Halo Wars 1 Cutscenes were awesome if pretty dumb. Whole bunch of Elite Minors with no shields charging Spartans with Spears really.
gilded mason
Yeah, wasn't exactly my favorite of scenes.
versed helm
It was a bit of a cheap way to show Spartans being badass.
gilded mason
Ye
stable schooner
Wasn’t even consistent cause the Honor Guards were Majors in the previous Cutscene.
Also that Green Elite in the Be Human episode of Halo Legends. Actual rank or artistic liberties in your opinion?
humble yacht
considering the myriad of art styles that went into Legends, artistic liberty could very well have been all it was
though there's always the potential to come in after the fact and add canonical relevance to it
gilded mason
I wonder when my boy Thel 'Lodamee is gonna make another appearance.
versed helm
Tell ya what though
One thing that makes the Monsters cutscene from HW1 really sick is seeing how the Spartan's pauldrons move to facilitate what they're doing
Makes it all worthwhile 👍
stable schooner
Also I know Ripa was a beast but seems like How Arbiters are made and who makes them is inconsistent.
versed helm
It's a contextual thing.
It's not a matter of "do this, become the Arbiter".
It's really just a way of giving disgraced but extremely skilled warriors and commanders a second shot.
A political tool for the Prophets.
stable schooner
Yeah but it’s like Regret makes an Arbiter by himself where as Truth and Mercy make one themselves.
humble yacht
what did Ripa do to get shamed into becoming the Arbiter?
gilded mason
He tried to lead a coup or something, right?
stable schooner
Wasn’t it a revolt against his clan leader
versed helm
Yeah. Sangheili internal stuff.
Anyway I don't really see the problem. If you like, you can assume that Regret had the go-ahead of the other two High Prophets to make Ripa an Arbiter.
But it doesn't really matter - all three Heirarchs can just as well have the ability to make an Arbiter.
stable schooner
Further proof Regret was close with the Elites.
versed helm
He seemed very orthodox, as far as Covenant values go.
humble yacht
how convenient was it that the Honor Guard helmets fit both Brutes and Elites?
didn't even have to call the tailor
versed helm
I thought they were a little wonky on Brutes.
They just sorta squeezed them on there and then as a power move.
stable schooner
Lol those Brutes ripping the Helmets off the Elites. Also based on the H2A terminals did the Prophets expect Arbiter to be loyal even after betrayal?
versed helm
They expected Tartarus to kill him.
stable schooner
Yeah but it’s like evidently other Prophets knew about the upcoming betrayal but expected Arbiter to be loyal based on that terminal. I don’t know I found that entry odd.
versed helm
Which terminal?
stable schooner
The one on Gravemind
Details Thel Becoming Arbiter And sneakily has the Halo Wars Chieftain at the end, model anyways I mean
versed helm
@stable schooner The scribe was only talking about the changing of the guard.
It was meant to forbode the Schism, sure, but it didn't have any concrete knowledge.
stable schooner
I don’t about that the Civil war is literally shown going on at the same time and cuts away to the Elites being massacred.
versed helm
Like I said, foreboding.
modest marsh
Also that Green Elite in the Be Human episode of Halo Legends. Actual rank or artistic liberties in your opinion?
Separatist Elite pilots wore green armor in halo 3 iirc
versed helm
You're reading too far into it.
stable schooner
Nah just discussing for fun, Favorite looking terminal though.
versed helm
It is awesome.
stable schooner
True Maggruber and that episode takes a Halo 3 inspired art design though theirs also that weird dual wielding tannish Elite
modest marsh
Green is probably the designated vehicle/heavy weaponry role if Grunts are anything to go by
versed helm
So like the officer of an artillery unit.
modest marsh
Or pilot, yes
stable schooner
I agree since multi species specific roles share colors like with the Spec Ops and Rangers
modest marsh
The reason we probably don’t see a lot of them is because they’re not infantry
I do think it’s a little weird that their naval crews don’t seem to have a dedicated rate or armor configuration
limpid meadow
It is, but it's kind of meant to be
halcyon remnant
I like the covenant and human things better
versed helm
^ Mood
modest marsh
Most fans would agree
limpid meadow
It's about a civilization that's advanced beyond imagining, so the concepts are a lot to wrap your head around
stable schooner
Though in the package theirs a Silver Halo 3 Pilot elite but that Episode takes the most liberties out of all of them.
halcyon remnant
It has a lot of politics and I don't understand how half of the stuff works
stable schooner
Green Blood from Brutes for ex.
halcyon remnant
Immma read first strike
limpid meadow
The Forerunner Saga takes a couple re-reads
halcyon remnant
And then the flood
halcyon remnant
Already loved fall of reach
modest marsh
That’s probably idk, a studio specific thing?
modest marsh
The Package strikes me as a PG-audience thing
halcyon remnant
@versed helm why
versed helm
They're part of a trilogy of books that starts with The Fall of Reach
versed helm
If you haven't read it yet, read it before The Flood
modest marsh
Also Byzantine there aren’t any pilots in The Package that we see personally
Do you mean bridge crew?
limpid meadow
Yeah, the Elite on the bridge
stable schooner
Nah guys clearly the most ground breaking part of the Package is every grunt having Plasma Rifles. Yeah I mean bridge crew
halcyon remnant
I loved fall of reach so much that I dreamt that I was with other Spartans 😂
modest marsh
Grunts can use plasma rifles it’s just rare
stable schooner
I know that I’m joking
halcyon remnant
Is the flood good
limpid meadow
It's OK
versed helm
I really like it
modest marsh
Making naval officers silver would make sense if shipmasters are typically gold
versed helm
It's got a wonderful, dark, militaristic tone
halcyon remnant
Is it Halo 1
versed helm
But many of the details have been overlooked by newer lore
halcyon remnant
In a book
limpid meadow
It gives A LOT of context to Halo CE and explores what the Covenant and other UNSC survivors were doing during CE
humble yacht
lol, love the difference in opinions
gilded mason
Along with extra things.
versed helm
Halo 1 from the perspective of a lot of characters aside from Chief
stable schooner
Silver is the color of Stealth Elites though and Ultras are White
modest marsh
Gold > Silver > White > Red > Blue
modest marsh
Stealth elites are more of a matte grey no?
stable schooner
Silver isn’t consistently shown as a higher rank. Straight silver in CE Anniversary in my opinion.
limpid meadow
Stealth Elites coming in light blue or a reddish-brown
modest marsh
Well silver wouldn’t be prevalent if they were dedicated naval officers
stable schooner
Halo 2 they have a normal brown or grayish Silver
modest marsh
We mostly only see infantry in the games
plush dagger
what happened to the brutes after halo 3?
modest marsh
What else would you propose as a step down from a shipmaster’s gold armor other than silver?
limpid meadow
Some are loyal to what remains of the Covenant. Some are starting their own factions
Many are in-fighting
plush dagger
banished
modest marsh
Yes
stable schooner
The White Ultras.
modest marsh
Ultras are infantry
plush dagger
why do you never encounter them ingame?
stable schooner
But can command as Shipmasters
limpid meadow
Because 343 couldn't find a way to, in their minds, make a satisfying distinction between the Brutes and Elites in terms of gameplay.
modest marsh
It’s rare though, gold armored elites are the more frequently commanding officers of ships
plush dagger
i see
modest marsh
Like how navy commanders are technically “captains” when they’re leading a ship
stable schooner
True Zealots are the most encountered ship Commanders but their second in commands are always Ultras or Majors
modest marsh
What you say is true in regards to the games but the in game ranking of the elites aren’t always accurate
stable schooner
I’ve never seen a Shipmaster with a Minor as a secondary officer.
modest marsh
No, not a minor, but a different rank similar to how the UNSC has a different ranking structure for its naval crews vs infantry
halcyon remnant
It's how long I have them
modest marsh
Ultras are the equivalent of what, Army Colonels?
stable schooner
Plus it’s said Ultras tend to become Elite Councilors so being in second command of ships doesn’t seem to High of a position to me.
limpid meadow
Trying to equate Human and Sangheili ranks is kind of futile.
modest marsh
I mean there’s clear observations we can make
Elites are automatically given the position of officers
stable schooner
Should also be noted Rtas in Halo 3 had an Red Major as a Secondary
versed helm
Strictly speaking, officer may not be a 1:1 comparison.
limpid meadow
^^^
stable schooner
True
modest marsh
Officer as in, a Grunt or Jackal Major are functionally squad leaders
And an Elite outranks both
stable schooner
Well heck when it comes to this situation most of the available evidence is from the Games and Elite Ultras are always shown as Escorts to Zealots in 2 And Officers on the Bridge in Reach.
modest marsh
They may not fulfill the same exact roles but we can do the napkin math and make parallels
versed helm
You think a Grunt ultra would be able to boss an Elite minor around?
Genuinely curious
modest marsh
Also Byzantine, both cases are ships knowingly under a boarding action
versed helm
I personally have no clue
stable schooner
No I don’t think so
Any Elite outranks any Grunt except maybe the Spec Op Core Grunts.
modest marsh
They would probably have equivalent authority over lower troops but also the Covenant’s emphasis on might equals right would earn the Elite authority
What’s the Grunt gonna do?
Unless his name is Stolt, not a dang thing
stable schooner
Heck are Grunts even allowd to command Jackals I’ve never seen it except debatablely on Sacred Icon.
modest marsh
Generally speaking, Elites will subject themselves to the authority of whoever is strongest
We see this dynamic a lot
Same with Brutes, honestly
Hunters are the odd ones out in that regard considering they’re typically content with themselves serving as lowly shocktroopers
But we’ve seen exceptions
stable schooner
I think Hunters rank above Jackals, Drones And Grunts at least. Who other then an Elite or Brute is gonna tell a hunter what to do
modest marsh
Jackals command ships
stable schooner
What Jackal ships have been shown with Hunters?
modest marsh
The Hunter is going to listen to whoever gets them to the fight
I don’t know that they are but they don’t seem interested in leadership so long as it ensures they get where they need to go to do some smashing
stable schooner
And that undersells the hunters they don’t just side with anyone or a majority of them wouldn’t have sided with the Elites.
modest marsh
I don’t think the majority of Hunters sides with the Elites necessarily
They’re still intelligent creatures with their own motives and personality of course
I imagine they’d be loyal to the Elites who they grew fond of in battle
stable schooner
Majority of hunters shown in the Games, books and Comics since the Schism have been shown with Elites and it’s said the Banished ones are Strange/altered.
modest marsh
I don’t think that’s been shown necessarily, moreso that we’ve seen more of the Elites in general
I would imagine the majority of Hunters period perished following the schism regardless of their loyalties
stable schooner
I mean most of the post Halo 3 Brute groups shown since lacked Hunters. Hunters siding with Elites in Halo 2 was a clear story decision by Bungie and only retconned in Halo 3 cause of confusion among allies.
modest marsh
What do you mean “post halo 3 brute groups”
The only one we know a lot about are the Banished and that other one whose name I forgot
One definitely has loyal Hunters
stable schooner
Like the Brutes that appear with the Sharqui
modest marsh
That wasn’t a separate group of Brutes, they were Covenant pretty sure?
stable schooner
In the Grey Team book right. Plus that line from Buck about Hunters I swear says their mostly with the Elites.
modest marsh
There’s also the possibility Hunters went independent
limpid meadow
There San'Shyuum-led Covenant remnants with Brutes.
There's the Banished.
There was the group lead by Hekabe in Halo: Envoy.
Lydus was a notable leader.
There's the Keepers of the One Freedom
Only the Banished have had Hunters, as I recall
modest marsh
Hekabe’s group is far too fresh after the war ending for me to really count that as evidence towards who the Hunters sided with or whatever
stable schooner
What yours opinion Toa on the loyalties of the Hunters?
modest marsh
We don’t know enough about the Keepers to say what their whole army looks like
I assume the first example was the one with the Prelate?
Which again, pretty fresh after the war
Also it was small
limpid meadow
Hunters are stated to have mostly stayed with the Elites, as you noted Byzantine
modest marsh
Where is that from?
limpid meadow
One moment, double checking
Halo: New Blood
Some of the Hunters took up with the Arbiter and his Elites. Others stayed loyal to the Sangheili they’d known before.
That's about it though
humble yacht
is this post war or post schism?
modest marsh
I don’t think this really leans one way or another
limpid meadow
Post-war
halcyon remnant
I like the flood way better already
limpid meadow
It leans towards Hunters mostly working with Elites
humble yacht
so did all of the Hunters who stayed loyal to the Brutes/Prophets get killed, or did the survivors go off to other factions?
halcyon remnant
What about the drones lmao
humble yacht
I suppose it's a question of the percentage of Hunters that remained in the Covenant vs the percentage that left. I could see the majority of Hunters that left siding with some faction of Elites, but then what was that number in regards to the total number of hunters out there
limpid meadow
Most Drones went back to their homeworld.
stable schooner
Also I know gameplay doesn’t mean much but we see as many Hunters loyal to Elites in Gravemind alone as the Hunters loyal to Brutes in all of Halo 3.
halcyon remnant
And jackals?
limpid meadow
Jackals generally still sell their services to a number of Covenant remnants
halcyon remnant
Mercs?
limpid meadow
That's basically what they've always been
But there are a lot of Jackal pirates going their own way post-war
halcyon remnant
Ooo
modest marsh
No reason why those pirates wouldn’t have Hunters, which is what sprung this conversation in the first place
limpid meadow
So far they haven't
Hunters have only been see with Sangheili-led factions and the Banished. And the Banished is noted as a bit of an exception.
modest marsh
We haven’t explored non-elite groups enough to know for certain
So far the Banished is the one we’ve gotten the clearest look at, and well, Hunters ahoy
I don’t remember the Servants of Abiding Truth having Hunters
Swords of Sanghelios seemingly have none
halcyon remnant
I never understood why there was a faction of the convenant that kept caring about forerunners when they knew that they were being fooled by the prophets
modest marsh
They don’t all know that
halcyon remnant
The banished
stable schooner
Individual members don’t represent the Banish as a whole
modest marsh
Atriox left on his own long before the schism
limpid meadow
Swords of Sanghelios definitely has Hunters. The quote I provided earlier proved that.
gilded mason
Jul's Covenant?
modest marsh
That’s before they became the Swords isn’t it?
limpid meadow
No
modest marsh
I did say “seemingly”, because beyond that quote there’s no indication they have Hunters
limpid meadow
We just don't see them in Halo 5, that's all
modest marsh
Or any other media involving the Swords/Arbiter aligned groups
limpid meadow
There have been several Brute-led factions post-war, none had Hunters other than the Banished
modest marsh
How do you know?
limpid meadow
Keepers don't, Hekabe didn't
modest marsh
I already addressed both
limpid meadow
Always could come a day that things change, but at the moment, this is how things are.
modest marsh
Absence of evidence isn’t evidence
stable schooner
Dang Magguber why do you want Hunters with Brutes so badly. Current Lore Hunters are mostly with Elites which makes sense as they were the closest in the Covenant.
limpid meadow
I won't disagree there
stable schooner
That’s true
versed helm
I'm just having another existential crisis about assault rifle ammunition tbh
modest marsh
Elite-centric storylines means there’s more emphasis on their groups
Obviously we know more about them
limpid meadow
And yes, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, but when a faction lists off every other species it has and doesn't mention Hunters, there's likely a good reason for that.
modest marsh
When do we get a clear picture of the Keepers?
limpid meadow
Last Light and Retribution
modest marsh
We’ve only seen a small handful of either
limpid meadow
They're made up of Brutes, Jackals, and Humans
stable schooner
I’m just saying since Halo 2 majority of the Hunters have been seen with Elites and the material featuring Brutes lacked Hunters. And the Banished Hunters are a outlier.
modest marsh
Last Light was a stealth mission
limpid meadow
Retribution wasn't
modest marsh
Still
limpid meadow
And Castor directly talked about what species make up the Keepers
At this time, Hunters are not part of the Keepers of the One Freedom
modest marsh
I admittedly don’t remember what you’re talking about
versed helm
Ay Toa, I hope I'm not sort of brute-force changing the subject here, but I wanted your opinion on a canon crisis I'm having
So you know how the AR fires 7.62x51 ammunition, right? And the Encyclopedia shows that ammunition to effectively be the same in configuration - specifically relating to the shell - as the modern 7.62x51 NATO round.
In reality, given the magazines we've seen, those rounds would have a cartridge width which means you could never fit 32 or 36 rounds.
Now I personally want to believe that this, therefore, automatically retcons the Encyclopedia and what we've seen - it can't be 7.62 NATO, it must be a futuristic round with a slimmer cartridge
But I've got no real basis for believing that aside from my own logic
Do you have any thoughts on this kind reality vs Halo nonsense?
Full disclosure, this isn't the first time I've had this crisis
modest marsh
I just wanna know how Chief carried enough BR ammo to fight his way through the Mantle’s Approach
modest marsh
They have similar surface area to 7.62 don’t they
versed helm
Well ammunition size isn't so much about the bullet itself but the casing
The BR's bullet outsizes the AR's 7.62, but because of sick new propellant the casing is really stubby
Meaning that if you got a relatively fancy feeding system you could stack it by rows, front-to-back, in a magazine.
Which means pretty compact magazines.
That's the Halo 3 art interpretation of the round
modest marsh
Whatever the case, he’s going to need a lot more than the 48 bursts you typically carry in game
versed helm
Yeah, absolutely.
Always thought it was silly how limited the BR's ammunition pool was.
I mean, I can see the balance reasons - with a few well-placed headshots you can decimate swathes of Covenant
Anyway, guess I missed Toa
😦
I'll just keep having my canon crisis then.
stable schooner
Man Looters you are passionate about UNSC Equipment
versed helm
I mean I love UNSC gear, that is true
But this sort of thinking comes from more a curse than anything else
I made the mistake of joining the Discord of the devs of the Halo mod for Arma
And after talking to that lot I know much more about firearms than is healthy for a person who's only shot them twice in his life
It makes stuff like this really hard to ignore
humble yacht
I don't think there's a correlation between experience with firearms and an obsession with their mechanics in fiction
versed helm
Well it's not about their mechanics in fiction - I meant, I think at least I've got a quite grounded understanding of firearm functionality in real life, on a mechanical level
Which is strange for an Australian dude who has basically never touched one
And that understanding sorta bleeds over into how I look at the guns in Halo
stable schooner
I mean a person who knows about Guns in real life would have interest about them in fiction Chimera. Even if it’s a little too enthusiastic for my taste.
humble yacht
well what I meant was, this case sounds specific to Looters
versed helm
Well, I am a bit of an oddity
stable schooner
Just waiting for some Flood obsessed user cause of their love of Zombies to show up.
versed helm
To be fair, I was a fan of Halo long before I knew anything about guns
humble yacht
Waypoint has some flood-obsessed users
versed helm
There was a time when I thought it was totally fine that the MA5B in Halo CE could just have 60 7.62x51mm rounds in a tiny lil' box magazine
I'm envious of my past self
McLees was absolutely on the right track with the M7 though
stable schooner
I mean I like Elites and the Covenant cause their bright colors spoke to me as a 5 year old kid when Halo 2 came out.
versed helm
An awesome way of preserving the classic 60-round AR mags' function but grounding it.
Oh, I was pretty much sold on Halo when my Dad told me it was about space marines.
When I was really little I was obsessed with soldiers, and then I liked astronauts
And then I reached the logical endpoint of being obsessed with soldier-astronauts
stable schooner
The Gold Elite Zealot on Uprising was my Hero for 5 years lol. It’s why Zealots matter the most to me of any Elite Rank
gilded mason
"A zealot? So much for a stealthy advance!"
stable schooner
“Bah over so Soon”?
“Hahah long have I waited for this” “Leave some for the Rest Of Arbiter” it’s Why Any Lore that downgrades Zealots personally annoys me.
Then Halo Reach came and made them Maroon.
carmine sleet
I mean, it's a different order of Zealots in Reach so the different colour makes sense
stable schooner
Even Halo 2 nerfed them only CE honestly treated them right.
humble yacht
The ornamentation of Reach Zealots was a step up for me
I was like "now this is elite armor"
versed helm
^
stable schooner
The Armor especially the Field Marshall’s yeah the color heck no
And CE Anniversary made them yellow not Gold
gilded mason
I liked the simple and clean CE Elites most.
versed helm
It's sorta a pale gold
stable schooner
Not blinding like the original though
Then 4 came along and just made them Spec Op Elites
H2A looks good but they took away the Zealots Gold Secondary alongside the Ultras Black Secondary Color.
I’ll take a Gold Field Marshall and I’ll be happy.
warm wigeon
stable schooner
Basically
abstract zealot
I prefer how the Sangheili looked in Halo 2. Though I didn’t mind the armor variants from Halo Reach.
stable schooner
Yeah I love the Reach Armor(Officer is trash though) but their actual bodies(look up Reach Elites with no armor) just might be the worst in the Franchise.
gilded mason
Not their fault they got an allergic reaction to a bee sting!
stable schooner
@gilded mason it’s crazy when you think about it Only Halo 1 and 2, And Halo 4 And 5 have Elites that look like one another. They’ve gone through more redesigns then Superman has in 50 years.
carmine sleet
I mean, Superman has never been a reptilian-like alien and has always looked human in the first place
gilded mason
A shame, really.
fossil eagle
Why does Halo feel like the least artistically consistent scifi franchise?
carmine sleet
I'd say Doctor Who is more inconsistent with it's artstyle thanks to things like the constant redesigns of the Daleks and Cybermen
fossil eagle
Oh hey I didn't think about Doctor Who.
versed helm
Honestly, they really should've stayed with Reach's interpretation of basically everything UNSC after that came out
But of course there's always a few specialtons who prefer the Halo Wars style so I guess it's best to maintain some variety 🤷
At least there's decent canonical precedent for most of the variants out there, so you can pretend whenever you're playing that everything you're seeing is a mishmash of every other style of everything from every other Halo game.
What fun
trail flame
I just looked up the Halo 5 Elites
Dear god, they look disgusting
This image is kinda silly but it really shows the difference in art style
On the left is a H2A elite, on the right is a H5 elite
Not many sci-fi franchises make an effort to humanize alien enemies, it's one of the things that Halo is really good at, but then they just went and made them all look like horrible disgusting reptiles
The jackals are also a notable change
versed helm
So I guess the only thing that makes a person a person is their external appearance, huh?
Can't empathize with something unless it looks enough like you?
If humanity ever expands out into the galaxy and meets sentient alien races, there's a good chance their physical appearances won't cater to our whims.
Sure, you can state that you subjectively prefer their older appearance, but don't pull that "humanization" nonsense like it's some kind of valid objective point.
It's honestly amongst the most thoughtless, intolerant arguments I've ever read from the Halo community.
humble yacht
Feel like the fact that the Covenant is a religious organization is more humanizing that the classic look of the elites
quaint reef
Humanization honestly isn't an opinion; it's psychology. It's the way our brain works; we associate more strongly and emotionally with things we can relate to. Note the words "more strongly to". We're not limited to appreciating only humanesque-species, but we more closely relate to them.
In regards to the changes to the species in 343 games, they went with stronger aesthetics. Grunts are based on crustaceans now, giving them their odd, scaly arms and pointy teeth now. Elites kept their saurian appearance, but are now more notably different from the other species. Same with jackals and the variants being even more birdlike, and some having the larger jaw.
None of it is objectively BAD in any sense. Different? Yes. And that's what's swayed some people to believe that bungie is the "pure" and perfect Halo developer. Don't think like that. Enjoy the games. 👌
humble yacht
you ask for too much
versed helm
In Halo's context, humanization is kinda a useless concept.
Humans don't own the concept of being a person.
carmine sleet
I was never bothered by the redesigns and always took it as variation within each species, which in lore, we do know is a thing
vivid dust
The Elites are the only ones I just can't stand
carmine sleet
Honestly, I would love it if in Infinite, we see old school Elites alongside the H4/5 Elites
versed helm
Being conscious and self-aware is what makes you a person, and in any sci-fi universe with sentient alien cultures that we can relate to humanization becomes meaningless.
Of course, you can get all backwards and start frothing at the mouth about cultural heritage and minute biological differences, but people are people.
vivid dust
I'll defend the Halo 4 Covenant's designs until I die but the Elites are just awful
versed helm
I think when it comes to designing aliens it's vastly more compelling to try and be grounded and sensible than trying to make them appealing.
unique rune
I've never really looked at H4/5's Sangheili up close, and now that I do, they're a little off-putting, but I can't exactly say I hate them like so many others do.
versed helm
I'm just trying to say the fact that an alien looks offputting shouldn't reflect on the overall quality of the content.
Especially in semi-grounded sci-fi like Halo.
If you want aliens to all look nice and appealing, you're the unreasonable one.
humble yacht
lol
unique rune
Well, yeah. They're aliens.
Not even real terrestrial organisms are necessarily aesthetically appealing.
humble yacht
It's easy to design aliens with almost human characteristics since most art is inspired by some aspect of the human condition
In all honesty, every depiction of aliens in sci-fi is to some degree biased by humanity since we inherently can't think of something truly alien, as we have no realistic idea of what truly alienism is
for all we know, actual aliens may not even have physical forms
versed helm
Given our understanding of physics and neurology that'd be pretty unlikely
humble yacht
i'm just saying
versed helm
But sure, entirely possible
Ye ye
I just had to get my two cents in
You know what I'm like
humble yacht
the idea of religion is also a purely human concept. Making an alien species follow a religion is humanizing because worship and faith are human attributes
you don't see lizards bowing to the sun, after all
so humanization can go beyond what an alien looks like
versed helm
My perspective is that what you call "humanization" transcends humanity in Halo's context.
humble yacht
that statement confuses me
versed helm
It's not a helpful term. The basic tenets of what we consider relatable conscious behaviour are something that defines people, not humans.
humble yacht
it's not very clear what you are trying to say
versed helm
Elites are people, so are grunts, so are prophets.
humble yacht
i think in this case, people and humans are synonomous
versed helm
They all have more or less the same fundamental behaviours.
It's not specific to us.
humble yacht
so you could replace humanization with peoplization and it still works
versed helm
Yeah, that's what I'd do.
humble yacht
because what we define as "people" is based on what we understand about humanity
versed helm
I just didn't want to be the one to say peoplization.
humble yacht
the idea of culture, art, music, etc
these are all things that humans invented for other humans
versed helm
Well, our understanding of humanity is synonymous with our understanding of consciousness, and most sci-fi asserts that a conscious alien will act somewhat like us.
It's probably unlikely in the real world.
humble yacht
we attribute them to non-humans in fiction because its ingrained in us
versed helm
Right.
But within Halo's context, those traits we attribute are universal.
They're not human.
humble yacht
and then the most interesting sci-fi ideas often end up being those that purposefully try to diverge as much as possible from what we define as "human"
like hiveminds
or extra-dimensional beings
though i guess hiveminds have inspiration in mob mentality
versed helm
So do you think it's justified in calling those entities not people?
I'm asking about my perspective here
Not accusing you
Because I just realized that my perspective means that a hive-mind or a cthulu isn't a person, it's a living entity that'd have a distinct definition.
A person is someone who is conscious in the same way as a jackal or grunt
humble yacht
no, a hivemind is not considered a person because people have individuality
and cthulu is what we typically call a monster, which is also not a person
versed helm
Well that seems a little insensitive xD
humble yacht
though that gets a little muddy depending on what your definition of "monster" is
some fiction humanizes monsters on purpose
anime does this often
but classically, monsters have been depicted as lacking in human traits, both physically and beyond
versed helm
I guess they're more animals than people.
humble yacht
yeah, in a lot of ways, they are
versed helm
They might have a great deal of intellect but their drive is simple.
agile lotus
You mean eldritch abominations.
versed helm
Noice
humble yacht
"i'm smart but I just want to eat"
trail flame
Maybe humanising isn't the correct word for what I said. The aliens in newer games look more like generic sci fi beasts and it looks a little boring if I'm honest
humble yacht
- Gravemind, across all time
trail flame
Yes true
humble yacht
nope
versed helm
Aww
humble yacht
there's your discourse
trail flame
Like with the huge debate about classic vs 343 Chief it comes down to individual preference
wispy bough
heck!
humble yacht
nothing wrong with having a preference. it's just annoying when people try to tout their preference as being the right answer
trail flame
True Halo fans only like the 1999 concept Chief 😤
feral perch
You mean they dislike all other versions, or only true fans enjoy Shi Kai Wang's original design?
humble yacht
true fans only like 1998 version of chief
you know, the guy clad in green, mostly silent, with a little blue helper?
versed helm
Hm.
carmine sleet
You mean Zelda?
carmine sleet
(And yes, I know you meant Link, I just had to make the joke)
humble yacht
he seals the darkness and doesn't speak anything
feral perch
halerr is a purty cuerl gurr
versed helm
Though to be fair, I find myself generally liking most visual designs from Halo equally. I'm very easy to please.
I like all Chief's armour equally.
feral perch
The one I dislike is Chief's Package and FUD iteration of Mjolnir. It's kinda ugly IMO.
feral perch
It takes everything great about Ensemble Studio's Mark IV, a really beautiful armor set, and uglifies it.
Needless to say, I wasn't pleased to see its shoulder pads appear on Chief's new GEN III Mjolnir.
versed helm
I like em
I don't like how they jump into the slipstream when he raises his arms
Instead of relocating
But y'know, they're fine
feral perch
Oh, right. I liked that touch in Halo Wars.
humble yacht
clipping is common in in-engine scenes
carmine sleet
I like the FUD/Package armour but I don't think the shoulders from those sets work with the design we have in Halo Infinite
versed helm
Yeah, but it's really neat when they show the ways that the mobility issues clipping overcomes are beat in-universe.
I mean c'mon
26th century neuro-reactive battle armour
Bits and pieces can move
versed helm
I'd give any MJOLNIR armour a 10/10 if they find a way to represent ammunition stowage on it.
carmine sleet
I like the H4/5 design but wish it was introduced in a better way than it was within the lore
versed helm
Just mag-clamp some mags my dudes
fair hazel
Well the package has the answer
versed helm
Stick em anywhere
fair hazel
If it was introduced better, people would like it more I feel.
humble yacht
Didn't HCE:A's Mark V has ammo pouches on the front?
versed helm
Yeah, but they smol
It'd be such a neat touch to say jackhammer tubes affixed to the back
Or pouches and stuff clipped to the plates
humble yacht
they should just hide the extra stuff in a pocket dimension
fair hazel
What if in the intro cutscene. They showed John in the halo 3 Armour. The. You have passage of time as you see the Armour change? So it keeps the nanobots but you see the progress. And how it takes a while.
humble yacht
you mean in H4?
fair hazel
Yes
feral perch
What if Microsoft had given 343i enough time to make Halo 4 a really polished, detailed game with various artstyles incorporated?
versed helm
Tbh it's probably not just nanobots
humble yacht
that would have been one method
fair hazel
Basically keeping in with nanobots but actually showing it.
humble yacht
personally I was more willing to accept artistic redesign than nanobots
fair hazel
Nanobots explanation.
versed helm
It's gotta be a combination of maintenance drones and shipboard fabrication units and spare Mark VI components
fair hazel
Also that explanation did come before the game came out
humble yacht
giving it canonical explanation to me looked like they weren't confident in the design
vivid dust
I just wish he switched armors aboard Infinity
fair hazel
Spare mark VI components?
versed helm
Heck remember Blue Team's 2552 mark VI GEN 2 looking prototypes?
Maybe some parts of that were onboard the FuD
humble yacht
where's the date when they give the nanobots reasoning?
fair hazel
In the forward unto dawn? I don’t think so
feral perch
Yeah. Once you start explaining one discrepancy, you have to explain them all. Why were there MA5Ds and BR85s onboard? Why did Chief put an MA5C away, and then at the beginning of Dawn, pick up an MA5D in its place? Why has Cortana's design changed almost every game?
Why did the Warthog change?
They just should have said "It's our stylistic interpretation, deal with it."
versed helm
Well MA5Ds are probably like 50 years old at this point
Makes sense if you realize that MA5Cs are probably like 100
And Bs 150 xD
feral perch
That's a retcon if ever there were one.
boreal bane
MA5s should be typeable now
humble yacht
first instance that I can find of Frankie using nanobots to explain Chief's redesign is April 2012
Hm
I always thought it came afterward
versed helm
I don't doubt that nanotech is part of it
fair hazel
versed helm
But c'mon, we've got the lore now
humble yacht
yeah that's what I found
versed helm
There's way better solutions.
humble yacht
It's nice that it wasn't a retroactive explanation but it still was not a very good reasoning
fair hazel
I really have no problem with nanobots
humble yacht
they definitely could have chosen a more seamless way to explain the change
fair hazel
They should have mentioned the Armour too not just firm ware in game though
By going with that
Or the thing I proposed
humble yacht
(if they felt they needed a canonical explanation; i still think they should have just said "artistic license" and been done with it)
fair hazel
I don’t like saying artistic lisxenceto completer redesign Armour
Not visual canon friendly
unique rune
I'd have been satisfied if they explained the first half with artistic license or whatever, then wrote off Chief's new armor design as an upgrade/refit upon meeting up with InfinityY.
fair hazel
Likefoears unto dawn in halo 4
humble yacht
artistic redesigns happened often enough in Halo that I was able to ignore the minor differences. It's not like they impacted the larger plot
whether Cortana is purple or blue or green doesn't change the events of the story
feral perch
Pizza skin
versed helm
Metamaterial coating
feral perch
like pizza
trail flame
It was quite a harsh visual change imo
I had no idea the ship that's broken in half in H4 was Forward Unto Dawn
versed helm
I mean it said Forward Unto Dawn on it
But at least in that case we're supposed to pretend it was still the right class of frigate
trail flame
True
As I understand it, the redesign was for level design reasons, the old Forward Unto Dawn was too small (?)
humble yacht
Even with the different design, it hit the check marks relevant to the plot
humble yacht
changing the look of the ship didn't change the events of the story
feral perch
The Warthog run is fantastic
humble yacht
if had suddenly been the bow of the Dawn instead of the stern, that would have been a problem
feral perch
but what the heck were those undulating roads?
humble yacht
but it was still the aft section which is all that really matters
feral perch
how are those on a ship
versed helm
They're not
humble yacht
because game
trail flame
That warthog run was ridiculously out of scale
versed helm
He was probably just driving through a bunch of linked hangars xD
feral perch
riiiight, more than the length of the actual PoA
trail flame
There is a diagram that compares The Maw to the actual size of the PoA
feral perch
I'm sure I read somewhere that the distance covered during the Warthog run is greater than the actual PoA, or at least the place you're supposed to be driving though
feral perch
I'm just pointing out some silliness Mr. Imakeeverythingworkatallcostsviaheadcanon
I don't mind CE's level design. Levels like Assault on the Control Room and The Library get flak for being too repetitive, but I enjoy those levels. I think the appeal for me is the same as what Battle Royale tries to do - you're playing in the same environment(s) over and over, but each encounter is different.
humble yacht
how do you get different encounters in the levels?
the same enemies spawn in the same places
vivid dust
Identical rooms, different scenarios
feral perch
Different enemy placement and numbers in different rooms.
humble yacht
but each playthrough still has the same number of enemies
vivid dust
that's not his point though is it
feral perch
I didn't say it was identical to Battle Royale.
humble yacht
i just can't see the contrast with Battle Royale
feral perch
you're contrasting, I was comparing, at least lightly
vivid dust
well, the comparison can be made with pretty much any multiplayer experience imo
feral perch
They're different for me too; I don't like Battle Royale.
But I do like those levels.
humble yacht
BR may be on the same map but each game is inherently different because you're fighting different people in different places. You don't go the same route or meet the same enemies
in AotCR and the Library, you travel the same route each time and encounter the same enemies
vivid dust
anyway, the only mission I find repetitive in CE in Two Betrayals because it's literally one we went through but backwards
humble yacht
there is a minor amount of replay ability based on what weapons you use and whether you skip any sections, but I wouldn't say that makes each encounter different
feral perch
You can go different routes in the outdoors sections, or take different modes of transportation. Warthog, Ghost, Scorpion, onfoot...
versed helm
You say on foot as if it is an option
feral perch
There's usually two lanes to choose. And yeah, if you're wanting a really slow playthrough.
versed helm
There is an encounter with a wraith a ghost and a banshee
And two hunters but they might as well be grunts
humble yacht
steal the banshee, skip the ghost and wraith fight
versed helm
Oh right
feral perch
I don't like doing that, because if you just go right to the Pyramid, you miss the room where "A Walk in the Woods" plays
It used to be that you could use Rockets to shoot a Banshee off of a high platform in the third canyon, just before you go into the large underground caverns. You could get access to way more areas of the level. Unfortunately, CEA broke that option and made it much, much harder to do.
vivid dust
it did?
prisma oasis
What if we see a game that takes place a decade before Halo CE?
versed helm
I mean that's a best-case scenario for me.
I really want to see more of the mid/late HCW
As an ODST, Spartan II or III, even an Elite - doesn't really bother me.
But I want to see some modern elements of Halo like weapon customization applied to classic weaponry and equipment, and I want to see more large-scale battles from the war.
prisma oasis
Modern elements of Halo like weapons customization applied to classic weaponry and equipment sounds like a fantastic idea. And more large-scale battles from the war would also be a good idea as well.
vivid dust
I'd like to see a game focused on the Human-Covenant war with no Forerunner element
carmine sleet
So basically Halo Reach without The Package and a different team
versed helm
Halo Reach is my personal favourite Halo game 🤷
prisma oasis
This game that is set a decade before Halo CE can have the month being set during the month of July (so July 2542)
carmine sleet
Why specifically July 2542?
prisma oasis
Because that was what I was suggesting of a month but the month set doesn’t really matter anyway.
carmine sleet
It just seemed oddly specific that you said that month
versed helm
Just flexing his month-counting skillz
prisma oasis
@carmine sleet Yeah but that was just only my suggestion.
@versed helm And yes I was flexing my month-counting skills.
Perhaps in that game, let’s see those following enemies: The Grunts, Jackals, Elites, Drones, Brutes, Raiders, and Cyclops.
carmine sleet
I'm more curious as to what they mean by raiders. Like, are we talking about raiding tombs or something?
gilded mason
An army of Lara Crofts.
versed helm
Sounds good to me
carmine sleet
Into the Croft-Verse?
gilded mason
At least 3 different Laras, right?
stable schooner
I didn’t find AOTCR Repetitive until I learned your not suppose to take the Banshee.
carmine sleet
There's also the evil doppelgangers she's had over the years too
prisma oasis
What I mean by Cyclops are the intelligent beast species who are known for being mercenaries of the Covenant and Forerunners (though the Forerunners would probably not appear in this game but I was explaining their accomplice background). Raiders are the Covenant species who tend to be horned devil-like species. The reason for them being called Raiders is because they would be known for going around raiding property (hence the name).
versed helm
Oh so this is like your headcanon
Unless by cyclops you mean Sharquoi, but that's a can of worms and I suspect you don't
carmine sleet
But Lekgolo are the worms in the cans (I jest, I jest)
stable schooner
In a manner of speaking
versed helm
I wish there was like a monacle emote
prisma oasis
I don’t mean Sharquoi. It’s a different Cyclopian species that is given the nickname Cyclops due to them having one real eye.
versed helm
So do you think that these are actually a thing in Halo or do you acknowledge that you're making them up?
stable schooner
Ok I’m confused what’s your source For these Cyclops. This^
prisma oasis
The Cyclops will have a real eye and they will be intelligent and their voices may sound similarly to the Brutes.
versed helm
This is 100% either a fanon confusion situation or he's making them up.
But they do sound cool of course.
stable schooner
Ok that last comment confirmed he’s just making them up. But it’s like why not have Brutes instead.
prisma oasis
I did suggested those species as being new enemy species to appear in Halo Infinite which I will give out the link to my thread about the new species that we could see in Halo Infinite.
stable schooner
Featured in Halo Wars 1 and 2
And I’m pretty sure Raider fits Jackals pretty well being Pirates and all.
humble yacht
Less "new species that we could see" and more "ideas for species that I'd like to see"
prisma oasis
@humble yacht Yes but that name would also be used for this Cyclopian species that I thought of and there are some things in Halo that use the same name as some other things.
versed helm
In reality too so it's fine
prisma oasis
@versed helm Exactly
carmine sleet
The only time I can think of a name being reused is with the Mantis AA guns and the Mantis mechs, but there's a reason why they reused the name within the lore
prisma oasis
For example, the name “Drone” doesn’t just only refer to the Covenant buggers it can also refer to the Forerunner sentinels (since after all, they are actually Drones).
carmine sleet
Nobody really refers to Sentinels as drones
stable schooner
Saying as how their hasn’t been a new Species since Reach I don’t see New Covenant but instead potentially bringing back old species. I do expect new Foreunner bots or Promeatheans. Heck who Misses the Sentinel Enforcers I sure do.
prisma oasis
@carmine sleet Yeah I know that because it’s rare but they do happened to be actual drones.
trail flame
What species was introduced in Reach?
versed helm
T'voans?
prisma oasis
I also miss the Sentinel Enforcers. I would also love to see those return.
versed helm
T'vaons?
humble yacht
Generally Halo tries to avoid using the same terminology for multiple things to prevent confusion. So while Forerunner bots like Sentinels and Watchers and Crawlers could fit the definition of Drone, they're still given unique names so that no one confuses them with the Yanme