#lore-and-universe | Halo | Page 211

last anchor Jul 13, 2019, 5:01 PM

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And yes, it did fall to the planet. In peices. Legions saying it survived that fall.

violet vine Jul 13, 2019, 5:01 PM

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The Halo Encyclopedia strangely claims that Trafalgar was destroyed by the "first Covenant flagship ever seen by humanity".[5]

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LOL

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Noooope

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The Covenant Empire of a Billion worlds.

last anchor Jul 13, 2019, 5:02 PM

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Thats the Halo encyclopedia

violet vine Jul 13, 2019, 5:02 PM

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Which is based on an even larger Empire.

gilded mason Jul 13, 2019, 5:02 PM

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Billion
Let's not go overboard.

last anchor Jul 13, 2019, 5:02 PM

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Which is notoriously...odd. Considering it canonized something that Halopedia had SUGGESTD was a possiblity

violet vine Jul 13, 2019, 5:02 PM

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They Canon.

last anchor Jul 13, 2019, 5:03 PM

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They made mentions of a united rebel front, and then all of a sudden United Rebel Front is a thing

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Seriously talk to CIA on the Halopedia discord, he'll have some interesting tales for you

violet vine Jul 13, 2019, 5:03 PM

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Ships of the Covenant was enough to cover the hand of Orion and found a lot of ghosting and artifacts the forerunner.

gilded mason Jul 13, 2019, 5:03 PM

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God, that thing. Both a bit funny and a bit head-in-hands worthy.

fair hazel Jul 13, 2019, 5:04 PM

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What are you talking about mythos says about cas and odp

violet vine Jul 13, 2019, 5:04 PM

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They manically searched every star system in the galaxy.

last anchor Jul 13, 2019, 5:04 PM

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Not even close mate

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Space is too big for that

violet vine Jul 13, 2019, 5:04 PM

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In search of artifacts forerunners or people.

last anchor Jul 13, 2019, 5:04 PM

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You're giving the Covenant way to much credit

fair hazel Jul 13, 2019, 5:04 PM

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Empire of bikini worlds?

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Billion worlds?

last anchor Jul 13, 2019, 5:04 PM

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Bikini worlds? NOW were talking!

fair hazel Jul 13, 2019, 5:04 PM

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What are you talking about?

violet vine Jul 13, 2019, 5:04 PM

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Billions of billions of their ships destroyed every world they encountered.

fair hazel Jul 13, 2019, 5:05 PM

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Anyone notice I typo a lot?

gilded mason Jul 13, 2019, 5:05 PM

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Space is too big for that
A lot of writers don't understand the depth of it. 😋

violet vine Jul 13, 2019, 5:05 PM

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Nope

fair hazel Jul 13, 2019, 5:05 PM

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There’s no nothing can destroy cso quote

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I just come here and see a lot of what stuff.

violet vine Jul 13, 2019, 5:06 PM

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Lekgolo can cover a planet in a decade.

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The Covenant is an Imperium, only a thousand times larger.

fair hazel Jul 13, 2019, 5:07 PM

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Bot acting up

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You don’t need an absurd number of planets to provide the resources for grunt or covenant equipment

violet vine Jul 13, 2019, 5:09 PM

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All communication with the worlds was located at the "Height of Charity". That's why he's so lost in size.

fair hazel Jul 13, 2019, 5:09 PM

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What?

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Covenant have a number of worlds but not millions

gilded mason Jul 13, 2019, 5:10 PM

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I think this might be a fool's errand, like last time.

stoic hamlet Jul 13, 2019, 5:10 PM

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It might be best to just.....yeah

fair hazel Jul 13, 2019, 5:10 PM

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Ok

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Do you guys appreciate the sangheili style as much as I do?

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Not covenant style but sangheili style

gilded mason Jul 13, 2019, 5:10 PM

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By "style", what do ya mean?

violet vine Jul 13, 2019, 5:10 PM

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Wort wort wort

fair hazel Jul 13, 2019, 5:11 PM

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Design, peculiarities, aestethics

gilded mason Jul 13, 2019, 5:11 PM

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Oh, not much of a fan of a lot of Halo 5 designs, so probably not

fair hazel Jul 13, 2019, 5:11 PM

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Sangheili designed and made vehicles and ships

gilded mason Jul 13, 2019, 5:12 PM

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A lot of things just seem blobby

fair hazel Jul 13, 2019, 5:12 PM

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I enjoy a lot seeing the sangheili style as they break away from the covenant San shyuum style

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Break from the dogmatic shackles

gilded mason Jul 13, 2019, 5:12 PM

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San'Shyuum had good taste

carmine sleet Jul 13, 2019, 5:12 PM

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I'm fine with them, didn't mind the changes since there was a lore reason behind them

fair hazel Jul 13, 2019, 5:12 PM

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Very predator, marine and animal inspired designs for sangheili.

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The phantom in particular very much seems like it could be a type of ray in the ocean. Seen from above

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The sangheili ghost looks like it’s some type of fast shark thing

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The beauty of the hesduros pattern banshee. Inspired by some flying avian predator likely. With its beautiful lines and curves.

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The sangheili spirits organic yet curved and the lines make it absolutely gorgeous.

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We get to explore more of sangheili style.

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I enjoy that very much

gilded mason Jul 13, 2019, 5:16 PM

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Well, I hope we encounter the work of Sangheili artisans with a bit of a different style in Infinite.

fair hazel Jul 13, 2019, 5:16 PM

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I hope we encounter the works of sangheili with sangheili designs and aestethics and sensibilities in infinite

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And not strictly have to go with covenant designs

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Also more exploration into sangheili ships

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The man o war in particular is one I’ve been wanting to know more about

violet vine Jul 13, 2019, 5:22 PM

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Invasion on Earth

fair hazel Jul 13, 2019, 5:22 PM

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I really hope we don’t abandon sangheili designs.. they have peculiarities to them.

violet vine Jul 13, 2019, 5:22 PM

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halo mythos

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CAS going through a shot of supermac

gilded mason Jul 13, 2019, 5:22 PM

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I really hope we don’t abandon sangheili designs
Don't worry, they'll still be Sangheili designs, just designs from different artisans. So it's still lore-friendly.

fair hazel Jul 13, 2019, 5:23 PM

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With similar sensibilities I hope.

gilded mason Jul 13, 2019, 5:23 PM

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lol

fair hazel Jul 13, 2019, 5:23 PM

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Although it’d be cool if San shyuum showed up somehow.

somber wave Jul 13, 2019, 5:23 PM

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They might

fair hazel Jul 13, 2019, 5:23 PM

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And they had their style brought in too.

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And if the brutes show up. Their style !

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I want a blooding years comic

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Seriously it’s like. No comic this summer. Why.

somber wave Jul 13, 2019, 5:25 PM

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Maybe the different designs are also different variants??

fair hazel Jul 13, 2019, 5:25 PM

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We’ve been having stood streak

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Could be interesting.

gilded mason Jul 13, 2019, 5:25 PM

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I want a blooding years comic
I feel something of that magnitude might better suit a book

fair hazel Jul 13, 2019, 5:26 PM

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Although I still would want variants of them. Like if there was a sangheili wraith and covenant wraith. I’d want different variants

somber wave Jul 13, 2019, 5:26 PM

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Maybe a mini series of comics?

fair hazel Jul 13, 2019, 5:26 PM

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For warzone and customs

somber wave Jul 13, 2019, 5:26 PM

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Ya

fair hazel Jul 13, 2019, 5:26 PM

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But I meant like. Say it follows a sangheili through blooding years. A period a part. Not itcoveeing the entirety

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A point a to point b. In their journey

versed helm Jul 13, 2019, 6:20 PM

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Hey guys, sorry to ask this again, but for any who weren't around for the discussion last night, here's my post:

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Can anyone help me identify this insignia?? https://preview.redd.it/wpi6wfvnfy931.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=3cb32bd4f073d727c25c397b5918f395dc0df4e4
I'm almost certain it's a human symbol. It's one of 5 decals on the side of the Halo 5 edition Xbox One console
The others are the insignias of ONI, Fireteam Osiris, UNSC Army, ODST, and this mystery symbol, respectively

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We've ruled out UNSC Navy so far.

stable schooner Jul 13, 2019, 6:28 PM

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On the Opposite side I hope none of those 343 era designs make it in. I hate the beetle bug aesthetic of the Remnant Covenant. Simply cause I can’t see both the Anniversary and 4/5 look going in Infinite and I would rather have slick looking Elites

versed helm Jul 13, 2019, 6:32 PM

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I like the ancient, ceremonial style for the purpose of portraying postwar fanatics

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But the slicker classic styles fit a more uniform and regimented military force better

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So it depends on context for me

obsidian thistle Jul 13, 2019, 6:33 PM

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We dont know @versed helm I'll ask about it with some peeps I know.

versed helm Jul 13, 2019, 6:33 PM

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My bet is ONI SIGINT

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For the insignia

storm oasis Jul 13, 2019, 7:08 PM

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@stable schooner personally I dig them.

carmine sleet Jul 13, 2019, 7:10 PM

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My dream would be to see the Halo 5 style Covenant vehicles alongside the old school Covenant vehicles

agile lotus Jul 13, 2019, 7:11 PM

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Should they just essentially be different skins, or have different stats?

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Like how old school Ghosts and Banshees had infinite boost*.

gilded mason Jul 13, 2019, 7:12 PM

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...And you could just press one button to fire a banshee bomb instead of having to enter an alt fire mode unnecessarily.

agile lotus Jul 13, 2019, 7:12 PM

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Was B to bomb.

carmine sleet Jul 13, 2019, 7:13 PM

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Variants, similar to Halo 5, would be nice, even if it's just a cosmetic difference for most of them

stable schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:13 PM

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When Covenant ships start firing Green Beams I’m out

agile lotus Jul 13, 2019, 7:13 PM

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I wonder why we never were able to use the nub turrets on Wraiths in Halo 2.

gilded mason Jul 13, 2019, 7:14 PM

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That was pretty weird. Especially since you could use the machine guns on the tanks.

stable schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:14 PM

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Their AI that’s why

agile lotus Jul 13, 2019, 7:14 PM

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That might have to do with how the nubs seemed to target on their own.

stable schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:14 PM

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That fire at nearby enemies

agile lotus Jul 13, 2019, 7:14 PM

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We never got that.

carmine sleet Jul 13, 2019, 7:14 PM

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Could've been due to balancing that we couldn't use them

stable schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:15 PM

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Oh wait yeah sorry your right

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Yeah only works with Ai presumedly cause it’s an AI itself plus the Halo 2 Wraith is already the strongest in the Franchise

agile lotus Jul 13, 2019, 7:18 PM

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I also wonder why hopping on the Tank Treads was something we couldn’t do until Halo 3: ODST.

carmine sleet Jul 13, 2019, 7:18 PM

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Balancing

remote spruce Jul 13, 2019, 7:19 PM

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you could do it in CE

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mind you you die within 10 seconds of getting on, but that's CE

obsidian thistle Jul 13, 2019, 7:19 PM

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I do like how Bungie gave us lore for why those nub turrets vanished in Halo 3 and onwards.

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On the Wraith xD

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Though the Halo 3 stats of all places xD

carmine sleet Jul 13, 2019, 7:21 PM

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Lore pops up in mysterious places

agile lotus Jul 13, 2019, 7:21 PM

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And why was that, apart from the gunner?

fair hazel Jul 13, 2019, 7:24 PM

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Sangheili. Not remnant covenant. Sangheili designs.

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And it’s organic inspired. Not as much bug as animal

gilded mason Jul 13, 2019, 7:25 PM

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Bugs are animals

fair hazel Jul 13, 2019, 7:25 PM

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Not the right type

gilded mason Jul 13, 2019, 7:25 PM

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Either way, not something I'd want them to continue.

agile lotus Jul 13, 2019, 7:27 PM

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I’d prefer if the ally designs returned to that of Halo 3.

fair hazel Jul 13, 2019, 7:27 PM

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I want them to continue.

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I seriously don’t want the Star Wars syndrome of static designs

agile lotus Jul 13, 2019, 7:27 PM

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Or, a hybridization focusing on Halo 3-era designs.

stable schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:27 PM

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Intention means nothing to me they look like and are colored like bugs. Yes Sangheili design cause 343 said so they could easily have to Sangheili adopt a new modern design one that doesn’t look like scales on bugs

fair hazel Jul 13, 2019, 7:27 PM

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Seeing tie fighter again for first order is like. Really.

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Sangheili adopt predator, aquatic and so on designs

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That’s their style.

agile lotus Jul 13, 2019, 7:28 PM

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I’ll be honest, the Wraith design in Halo 5 looks like the ones seen in The Phantom Menace.

fair hazel Jul 13, 2019, 7:29 PM

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It’s a light wraith

gilded mason Jul 13, 2019, 7:29 PM

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Some of the Sangheili's style

fair hazel Jul 13, 2019, 7:29 PM

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Also this style is the newer stuff

gilded mason Jul 13, 2019, 7:30 PM

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Not sure what you're trying to say there.

stable schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:30 PM

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Yes entirely new designs would be welcome not worst versions of existing ones. Exactly why I hate the Resistance in Star Wars

fair hazel Jul 13, 2019, 7:31 PM

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This is just absolutely gorgeous

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gilded mason Jul 13, 2019, 7:31 PM

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It looks unnecessarily chitin-y

stable schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:31 PM

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Reach Banshee looks better

fair hazel Jul 13, 2019, 7:31 PM

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Concept art but it’s pretty

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Nah, I like that one so much.

stable schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:31 PM

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Looks like a beetle I hate it.

fair hazel Jul 13, 2019, 7:32 PM

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Mon concept version but it’s fantastic

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That’s the variant from hesduros. Which is woah looking

stable schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:33 PM

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Nah I can’t stand the chitin look. Plus it has the benefit of being from the newest game

fair hazel Jul 13, 2019, 7:33 PM

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The look is absolutely fantastic.

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Benefit what

stable schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:33 PM

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The highest res graphics

fair hazel Jul 13, 2019, 7:34 PM

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It’s curves and contours that it takes

stable schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:35 PM

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I disagree simple as that the Bug look for the Sangheili is a design choice I hate. The Banshee looks like it has a shell on it.

fair hazel Jul 13, 2019, 7:35 PM

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It’s beautiful.

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Looks armoured too

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Gorgeous. Fantastic.

gilded mason Jul 13, 2019, 7:36 PM

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...Got any more adjectives to spring out?

stable schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:37 PM

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It’s Ugly, looks like a bug to, Horrid, Rancid. Also not to be grammar police but shouldn’t that be a to.

fair hazel Jul 13, 2019, 7:37 PM

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Illuminous?

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No. It’s a too.

gilded mason Jul 13, 2019, 7:37 PM

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Also not to be grammar police but shouldn’t that be a to.
No?

fair hazel Jul 13, 2019, 7:38 PM

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The only thing in beauty that seems to rival the banshee seems to be the spirit

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Even more breath taking

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It’s got a sharpness with this carved organic look and these curves

gilded mason Jul 13, 2019, 7:39 PM

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Are you having a religious experience looking at Halo 5 vehicles?

stable schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:39 PM

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Nah your right I forgot about the second meaning of Too. I don’t know what else to say what you find beautiful a lot of people find ugly.

fair hazel Jul 13, 2019, 7:39 PM

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The sides are like two hungry sharks

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They’re beautiful.

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This thing is simply amazing.

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When I zoom into a lot of the parts of the dropship it’s like wow.

stable schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:41 PM

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Some people find the Flood beautiful to hey you do you. Oh my gosh I didn’t know they looked that bad.

fair hazel Jul 13, 2019, 7:41 PM

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Nice paint job too

gilded mason Jul 13, 2019, 7:41 PM

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Needs more purple.

fair hazel Jul 13, 2019, 7:41 PM

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It’s probably the most gorgeous and absolutely fantastically beautiful vehicle in halo 5. Or maybe in halo in general

gilded mason Jul 13, 2019, 7:41 PM

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Uh.

stable schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:42 PM

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Like wow what happen the Spirit is a Lobster now. I’m gonna puke

fair hazel Jul 13, 2019, 7:42 PM

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I like the slight iridescence

agile lotus Jul 13, 2019, 7:42 PM

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The Spirit looks okay.

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Compare Halo 5’s Spirit to Halo Reach’s, though.

fair hazel Jul 13, 2019, 7:43 PM

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I’ll take the 5

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Although it is a sangheili design.

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Not a covenant design

stable schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:47 PM

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I like the Promeathean designs including weapons and vehicles( not the crawler though), the new Planets and the entirely new Vehicles for the UNSC but I absolutely detest every design choice done to the Covenant and UNSC.

fair hazel Jul 13, 2019, 7:52 PM

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I rather the m820 scorpion. I like the sangheili designs

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The warthog with the bars is very nice looking

stable schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:54 PM

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True the Warthog with bars is pretty good. At the end of the day I can tolerate the Ship and vehicle designs even the armor but the Sangheili body design its self Nah never gonna happen single most worst new design in Halo to me.

stoic hamlet Jul 13, 2019, 7:56 PM

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I quite like the new vehicles (and redesigns of vehicles) introduces by 343, the Warthog especially.

stable schooner Jul 13, 2019, 8:00 PM

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Like someone needs to post the Halo 4/5 and H2A Elites Designs back to back and tell me why they think the Storm Sangheili look better.

gilded mason Jul 13, 2019, 8:04 PM

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Like this?
https://i.imgur.com/nj9KPdK.jpg

agile lotus Jul 13, 2019, 8:06 PM

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The 4 and 5 design looks like its mandibles are strips of flesh hanging off. H2A’s mandibles looks like they fit with the head.

stable schooner Jul 13, 2019, 8:06 PM

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Lol yes like that Ostral

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Literally look like 2 different Animals/Sentient Species.

storm flume Jul 13, 2019, 9:25 PM

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Are sangheili capable of closing their mouths?

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There was one episode of Halo Legends that made it appear they could, but I'm not sure if that is 100% canon.

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The new elites definitely look incapable of doing so though

gilded mason Jul 13, 2019, 9:31 PM

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Maybe they’ve got some sorta inner-flap or something

versed helm Jul 13, 2019, 9:32 PM

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they could, at least in hce-3

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i swear i saw them closing their mouths on a cinematic in h2 anniversary

gilded mason Jul 13, 2019, 9:32 PM

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CE, they could from the front.

versed helm Jul 13, 2019, 9:32 PM

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yeah, as well as in halo 3

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not sure about reach

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nor 4 or 5

gilded mason Jul 13, 2019, 9:33 PM

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Really? Don’t recall them being able to do so in 3.

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Though it’s been a while

versed helm Jul 13, 2019, 9:33 PM

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they were "capable"

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plus h2 and h3 aesthetic/art are the same

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and if they could in 2

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they maybe can do that in 3

halcyon remnant Jul 13, 2019, 10:45 PM

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Helloes

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I'm reading Halo cryptum and the didact said

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Aya

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AYAYA :DD

fair hazel Jul 13, 2019, 10:48 PM

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Just saying. Halo 2 anniversary design isn’t the same as precious designs

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Not even 2

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So, yeah

last anchor Jul 14, 2019, 12:24 AM

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Its its own thing yeah.

inner basin Jul 14, 2019, 2:00 AM

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Does anyone else think that Spartan-IIIs are underrepresented in the lore? This is a question that’s been pondering my mind. I mean we have oversaturated lore on the Spartan-IIs, plenty of lore on the Spartan-IVs and very minimal information on the Spartan-IIIs that we can’t even estimate how many were Cat-2s, how many were Headhunters and how many survived to the post-war era.

vague scroll Jul 14, 2019, 2:44 AM

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The ambiguity is a gold mine for fanfiction writers.

last anchor Jul 14, 2019, 2:50 AM

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It is, but I also agree we need more suicidal teenagers with superhuman bodies.
IMO, considering how well Battle Born was liked, I wouldnt mind an entire YA novel, complete with all of the normal trappings, just featuring S-IIIs.
So you have scenes of mind-bending romance like in THG and then the next scene over the non-human protagonists are just hiding as limbs are flying and the IIIs are cutting through resistance like nothing.
~~Remembers fanfiction of an S-III being SOIEV'd into a Hunger Games arena and just beating EVERYONE~~
~~YES~~

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Anyway this is why I love Battle Born and the Ferret books. It gives my messed up children more love

vague scroll Jul 14, 2019, 2:55 AM

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@last anchor You. I like the way you think. I think we can work together. 😛

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~~Not that we don't already on occasion.~~

agile lotus Jul 14, 2019, 3:00 AM

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How about you not do that?

vague scroll Jul 14, 2019, 3:13 AM

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lmao

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I'm not the biggest fan of Battleborn, but not its worst critic either. I would prefer a Nylund-type III adventure again though,

last anchor Jul 14, 2019, 3:23 AM

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That can be arranged I think.

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Four-man S-III team sent to unseat an Innie governement thats gone a little too nutso following getting cut off from the rest of human space?

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I figure its gott have happened at least once

inner basin Jul 14, 2019, 3:26 AM

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Just more on the IIIs will settle my craving really. Battleborn was a good start

fleet wraith Jul 14, 2019, 3:39 AM

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Did someone say spartan 3 @_@

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Aka best spartans

inner basin Jul 14, 2019, 3:40 AM

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^

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And yes, we did. I was saying they are underrepresented in the universe and lore

fleet wraith Jul 14, 2019, 3:41 AM

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Well a good chunk of the novels either feature or revolve around the 3s

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I wouldnt mind more content with em though

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I think the worst representation of them was in legacy of onyx

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Basically turned the most elite enhanced super soldiers into gym teachers

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Imagine having your family murdered and your planet glassed, becoming an apex predator of a warrior with the goal of killing the covenant, then being told to teach a sanghelli kid martial arts lmao

last anchor Jul 14, 2019, 3:51 AM

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Legacy of Onyx had its...troubles, yes.
But it was nice to see inside Onyx AND Tom and Lucy survived

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Its also nice to see Lucy talking again.
That said; if they don't induct Molly into the IVs, and she doesnt become head of a mixed-race fireteam I will be VERY dissapointed

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Also; no mention of Kurt what so ever

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They missed a chance to have Tom and Lucy visit his grave

gilded mason Jul 14, 2019, 3:52 AM

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if they don't induct Molly into the IVs
No more of that kind of thing, please.

fleet wraith Jul 14, 2019, 3:52 AM

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Im with ostral lol

last anchor Jul 14, 2019, 3:52 AM

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Yes.
Her and the kids from Battleborn.
Make them all Spartan-IVs. Give the UNSC the ultimate mailed fist

fleet wraith Jul 14, 2019, 3:52 AM

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I wasnt a fan of the kids saving onyx

last anchor Jul 14, 2019, 3:52 AM

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~~I need it for my nerd fighting~~

fleet wraith Jul 14, 2019, 3:53 AM

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Even with the help of a huragok, four kids taking down a guardian? Really?

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I was however super excited to see lucy talking

stable schooner Jul 14, 2019, 3:53 AM

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Man everyone and their mothers being Spartan 4s Just ruins the appeal of Spartans.

fleet wraith Jul 14, 2019, 3:54 AM

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Definitely one of the highlights of it

last anchor Jul 14, 2019, 3:54 AM

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~~I disagree. I like how the UNSC can just throw supersoldiers at a problem till it goes away, but thats me~~
The end of it was...odd. But it could have been FAR worse.
Its most certainly NOT Glasslands

fleet wraith Jul 14, 2019, 3:55 AM

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Buck(in the beginning of New Blood) actually has a very good view of the 4s NOT being true spartans

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Likening the 2s and 3s to demigods and the 4s nowhere near their abilities

stable schooner Jul 14, 2019, 3:55 AM

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Let’s have more Elites become Arbiter Then Orca

last anchor Jul 14, 2019, 3:56 AM

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Nah, just more buddies for Rtas XD

fleet wraith Jul 14, 2019, 3:56 AM

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Orca you talking bad about glasslands?? 😤

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Kilo-Five is forever the best team in the UNSC

gilded mason Jul 14, 2019, 3:56 AM

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Orca you talking bad about glasslands??
Glasslands is bad

fleet wraith Jul 14, 2019, 3:56 AM

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Right next to ferret

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: (

gilded mason Jul 14, 2019, 3:57 AM

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And Kilo-5 is full of psychopaths

vague scroll Jul 14, 2019, 3:57 AM

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Pretty sure Ferret isn't a single unit but a classification for a type of unit.

fleet wraith Jul 14, 2019, 3:57 AM

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Yeah ferret is just a type of team but theyre pretty regularly just called ferret team in thw books

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I guess its more accurate to call them Veta's Ferret Team

vague scroll Jul 14, 2019, 3:57 AM

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could just call them Momma Lopis's Unit ¯_(ツ)_/¯

fleet wraith Jul 14, 2019, 3:58 AM

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Lmao mom

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That cracks me up whenever i read it

last anchor Jul 14, 2019, 3:58 AM

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I call them Ferret Team Lopis

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Or "One overworked mom and her four awkward children"

fleet wraith Jul 14, 2019, 3:59 AM

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*three

last anchor Jul 14, 2019, 3:59 AM

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Fred counts as a child

fleet wraith Jul 14, 2019, 3:59 AM

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Lol i was about to ask

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Fred gets beat up a whole lot whenever they work together

last anchor Jul 14, 2019, 3:59 AM

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First book; Falcon crash. Seocnd book; gets run over by a loader

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Whats next; Pelican impact? Knight stampeed?

fleet wraith Jul 14, 2019, 4:00 AM

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Dont forget he had to blow up his armor on gao lol

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Poor fred

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I think hes next up to be dropped into orbit from space lol

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Also is it just me or is the brute name for the brute shot the dumbest thing ever "death lobber"

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Had to stop reading retribution for a good minute to get it out of my system

last anchor Jul 14, 2019, 4:03 AM

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I think its something lost in translation.

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Probably sounds better in actual Jiralhanee. Probably cause its name is basically that Space Marine Aaaaaaaaa from the opening of Dawn of War

fleet wraith Jul 14, 2019, 4:06 AM

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Also ostral theyre just people willing to do very bad stuff for the greater good....yeah..thats how i justify it

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BB is a good guy though

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Kilo-Five is good people

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 4:07 AM

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Man everyone and their mothers being Spartan 4s Just ruins the appeal of Spartans.
The UNSC's regular, unaugmented personnel still far outnumber active Spartan-IVs, so...

fleet wraith Jul 14, 2019, 4:08 AM

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Imagine if prometheus and trebuchet didn't happen though

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Thered be a few hundred 3s left after the war

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 4:08 AM

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~~Pretty sure humanity wouldn't have survived the war if they didn't happen~~

last anchor Jul 14, 2019, 4:09 AM

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More than likely

fleet wraith Jul 14, 2019, 4:09 AM

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Well i dont mean just the operations, i mean like the covenant invasions that happened to cause trebuchet and prometheus

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 4:09 AM

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IIRC there’s only like, 500 Spartan IV’s

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There were up to over 1K III’s, in comparison

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 4:09 AM

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I think it's still less than 1000, most of which are assigned to Infinity.

last anchor Jul 14, 2019, 4:10 AM

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Well thats a weird thing to cut...

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 4:14 AM

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What’d it cut?

fleet wraith Jul 14, 2019, 4:15 AM

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types in what got cut

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gets cut again

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 4:16 AM

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Heh, well, he could describe it

stable schooner Jul 14, 2019, 4:18 AM

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I mean I think theirs too many Spartan 3s to soooooo

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 4:19 AM

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There’s at most 332 left alive

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Out of in total over 1K

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So that’s well over 50% dead

stable schooner Jul 14, 2019, 4:20 AM

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Isn’t that what 30 times the number of Spartan 2s alive.

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 4:22 AM

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I mean

you have to remember that the Spartan-IIs were already far more limited in scope to begin with

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starting at 300 (I think?)
cut down to 150

and then 75
with half of them dying or crippled by augmentations

stable schooner Jul 14, 2019, 4:22 AM

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Exactly which I liked.

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 4:22 AM

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and then most of the survivors becoming casualties of the war

stable schooner Jul 14, 2019, 4:22 AM

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Every Spartan 2 death feels more significant cause of that

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 4:23 AM

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There’s 15 S-II’s still alive as of at least H4

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Actually it was 19, 15 is after Black dies

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Grey, Omega and Red = 9

Blue = 4

Naomi = 1

Oop, I was off by one. 14 left alive.

stable schooner Jul 14, 2019, 4:25 AM

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17 in active duty. Blue Team 4, Grey Team 3, Red Team 3, Omega Team 6, Naomi.

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 4:26 AM

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Omega
6
Only 3 Spartans from Omega are confirmed to have survived

stable schooner Jul 14, 2019, 4:26 AM

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Anything that confirms 3 died?

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 4:27 AM

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No, but that doesn't mean they didn't.

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They're an uncertainty for the time being.

stable schooner Jul 14, 2019, 4:27 AM

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Doesn’t mean they did.

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 4:27 AM

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Just like Black and Grey were for years.

versed helm Jul 14, 2019, 4:27 AM

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Depends if you're optimistic or cynical. Either interpretation can be valid.

stable schooner Jul 14, 2019, 4:27 AM

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So until Confirmed otherwise I’m going with 17.

versed helm Jul 14, 2019, 4:28 AM

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I personally favour that only the the 3 Spartans associated with Omega in HW2 survived, though.

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Just keep the numbers down.

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 4:28 AM

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^^^^^^

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 4:28 AM

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I kinda... don't really care either way.

I just don't like marking things down as if they've been confirmed when they haven't.

stable schooner Jul 14, 2019, 4:30 AM

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But if we’re uncertain that only 15 are alive then I wouldn’t use that number as concrete. Theirs also that Spartan who tested Chiefs Mark 6 but she isn’t Active duty.

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 4:30 AM

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We don’t know if she’s alive either

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 4:30 AM

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...Which is why you can just mark it as "14 confirmed, 4 unknown".

stable schooner Jul 14, 2019, 4:31 AM

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Anyways though I prefer my Spartans being less then 100. Good idea Emperor maybe you should do that from now on.

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 4:31 AM

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I mean... I already do that.

stable schooner Jul 14, 2019, 4:32 AM

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Didn’t do it though in this comment chain so excuse my lack of knowledge

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 4:33 AM

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I didn't do it in the comment chain?
Uh.

Only because I wasn't keeping track of specific numbers.

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You were the one who included the unknown Omega Team members into the active duty count, which is why I pointed it out in the first place.

stable schooner Jul 14, 2019, 4:35 AM

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But you didn’t do it in this chain so how would I know you tend to do that I mean really. No big deal anyways.

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 4:38 AM

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I mean, even if we didn’t include the surviving Betas and Alphas we’d still have all of Gamma minus 7 at least as of 2553, and we knew that way back in like, 2009.

So there’s never been less than 100 Spartans post 2536, technically.

remote spruce Jul 14, 2019, 4:39 AM

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Nah man Spartan IVs ruined everything because there's more than 300 of them

stable schooner Jul 14, 2019, 4:39 AM

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I wouldn’t mind Spartan 3s being in bigger numbers if they were actually inferior but I see people argue that their not.

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 4:39 AM

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Spartan-IVs bad
kidnapping and indoctrinating children and unintentionally killing half of them good

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 4:39 AM

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They aren’t

remote spruce Jul 14, 2019, 4:40 AM

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They have cheaper armor
I say that's enough

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 4:40 AM

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I’m not getting into this this late

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But they aren’t inferior, SPI is misunderstood and now they all have MJOLNIR.

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Right, that’s me done

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Carry on lads

stable schooner Jul 14, 2019, 4:40 AM

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If it means theirs enough Spartan 4s to be killable allies in Halo 4 then that’s too many for me.

remote spruce Jul 14, 2019, 4:41 AM

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Blame Reach for the idea of IIIs using Mark V,
And blame whoever for stating Gen 2 is a vast improvement

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 4:42 AM

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personally I don't get the issue people have with the UNSC having lots of Spartans
it makes perfect sense in-universe and would be stupid to think otherwise

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 4:42 AM

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^^^^

storm flume Jul 14, 2019, 4:42 AM

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Spartan IVs were natural progression for humanity post-war.

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 4:42 AM

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Like yeah, you might not like it, heck, even I think it’s a little too soon, but it makes sense

remote spruce Jul 14, 2019, 4:42 AM

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The issue is no one ever clarified how many IVs there are

storm flume Jul 14, 2019, 4:42 AM

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I'm actually surprised at how few of them there are after 7 years of the program

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 4:43 AM

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Pretty sure it’s less than 1K

remote spruce Jul 14, 2019, 4:43 AM

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The unknown number is just a bad cop out for the future

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 4:43 AM

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IIRC the second class was only a thing in 2554

stable schooner Jul 14, 2019, 4:43 AM

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Cause it kills their uniqueness and Makes Spartans just ODSTS with Shields cause Basically anyone can be one these days. But thanks for calling me stupid.

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 4:44 AM

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The entire series of Spartan projects was a fairly logical progression of events
ORION-I proved that supersoldiers could be effective
SPARTAN-II improved upon that for several trade-offs in ethics and costs
SPARTAN-III fixed the cost issue and sorta-kinda-not-really did a little bit about the ethics thing
and then SPARTAN-IV pretty much fixes both

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Spartan-IVs are just ODSTs with shields
every time I hear someone say that or read someone type that out
a little bit of my faith in the Halo community dies

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 4:44 AM

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No one called you that?

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Also yeah that’s not at all what they are

remote spruce Jul 14, 2019, 4:44 AM

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Nah y'all pretty much called him that

storm flume Jul 14, 2019, 4:45 AM

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Don't they have more augmentations than the previous Spartan generations?

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 4:45 AM

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They do have more extensive augmentations, yeah.

storm flume Jul 14, 2019, 4:45 AM

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Granted it doesn't mean they're better

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 4:45 AM

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Organ replacements and some more implants.

storm flume Jul 14, 2019, 4:45 AM

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But they're not just normal soldiers with expensive armor

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 4:45 AM

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Helps extend operational time.

agile lotus Jul 14, 2019, 4:45 AM

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Throughout Bungie’s Halo’s, Chief was often heralded as “The Last Spartan” even if he never was, mainly by Bungie themselves.

remote spruce Jul 14, 2019, 4:46 AM

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He was at the time of 2001

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 4:46 AM

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Until 2003 IIRC

remote spruce Jul 14, 2019, 4:46 AM

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After that it was more or less marketing terms

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 4:46 AM

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Mhm

remote spruce Jul 14, 2019, 4:46 AM

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Early Halo lore shenanigans are the best lore shenanigans

storm flume Jul 14, 2019, 4:47 AM

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He was the only one who wasn't MIA by the Autumn, except Linda who was KIA

agile lotus Jul 14, 2019, 4:47 AM

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Spartan IVs have the sense of being a dime a dozen.

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 4:47 AM

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I mean

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It’s the same thing with 40K’s space marines

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They’re a focus

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But in actuality they’re nothing

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 4:48 AM

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we only get that because we're getting a lot of attention on Infinity
who has most Spartan-IVs assigned to her

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 4:48 AM

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A drop in the bucket

remote spruce Jul 14, 2019, 4:48 AM

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Focus on Infinity was a mistake

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 4:48 AM

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eh
it makes enough sense to me

agile lotus Jul 14, 2019, 4:48 AM

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It should’ve been more like the Pillar Of Autumn.

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 4:49 AM

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It's the UNSC's flagship, doesn't seem like a bad idea to give some more time to it.

agile lotus Jul 14, 2019, 4:49 AM

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Important to the story, but not the focus.

storm flume Jul 14, 2019, 4:49 AM

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It would be cool to have a Fall of Reach-like purge of the IVs, so we can get a better idea of how many there are left, as well as how badass they can really be.

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 4:49 AM

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Would it be nice to get some attention elsewhere, sure, but I don't really take issue with the way things currently are.

remote spruce Jul 14, 2019, 4:50 AM

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Pillar of Autumn made you think there were only a handful of Marine fireteams and cowardly fools, until you saw all the combat forms

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 4:50 AM

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It’s like how, in one of the 40K books, a Custodian General (one of the most competent superhuman fighters in the setting) flat out mentions that yeah, Space Marines don’t actually do much in the grand scheme, and for every one time they show up (I.E, in most books) 1000’s victories are won by the regular human masses.

It’s the same thing for Halo post war.

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The marines and ODST’s and Navy are the ones doing the actual heavy lifting

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The Spartans are the focus because eye candy

stable schooner Jul 14, 2019, 4:51 AM

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Mind won’t change Spartan 4s being just another killable ally with bad ai in 4 hurt their integrity. Basically anyone in the UNSC can be made one and they didn’t go through the struggle Spartan 2s And 3s went through. Logical step yes, a good one for story, majority of fans tend to disagree.

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 4:51 AM

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Not necessarily because they’re the only ones doing things.

storm flume Jul 14, 2019, 4:52 AM

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It was a running debate among the ODSTs during the war about how effective Spartans really are, especially for those who never seen them

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 4:53 AM

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didn't go through the struggle
They had to survive the Human-Covenant War.
And they had to go through a selection process based on service history or special talents.
And a rigorous training course.

Meanwhile, the Spartan-IIs and Spartan-IIIs didn't get picked because of what they did.
No, they got picked because they had special genes. And then half of them died before even seeing service because RNGesus said no.

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 4:53 AM

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Gage Yevgenny, who fought from the very beginning, didn’t see one until New Jerusalem

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That’s almost 3 decades

remote spruce Jul 14, 2019, 4:53 AM

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Fans disagree that they don't feel special anymore due to the amount of IVs
Even though Halo 4 goes out of the way to make you feel superior to them
But it isn't enough I guess

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 4:53 AM

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Spartans are rare, have always been rare

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Even though there are hundreds

remote spruce Jul 14, 2019, 4:54 AM

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Halo 5 does the opposite
And that's where like half the dislike for Osiris comes from

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 4:54 AM

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They don’t seem rare because we focus on them

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But they’re literally irrelevant for the majority of the HCW

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Aside from ops like PROMETHEUS and TORPEDO and RED FLAG they didn’t do much of any major important actions

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 4:55 AM

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~~heck, RED FLAG didn't even happen~~

stable schooner Jul 14, 2019, 4:56 AM

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Surviving the war isn’t Special. Exactly cause of their Genes and Spartan 3s were just orphans. It adds to the Character of the Spartans. Something Most Spartan 4s Lack.

remote spruce Jul 14, 2019, 4:56 AM

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The IIIs have to be discounted regarding importance, given their purpose of buying time

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 4:56 AM

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Surviving the war isn’t Special.

Dude what?

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 4:56 AM

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So having special genes... adds character... how?

remote spruce Jul 14, 2019, 4:57 AM

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It doesn't add character
It adds mystique and gives the player status

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 4:57 AM

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Over 50% of all humans alive at the war’s beginning died by its end. Loss of life was extreme, the worst tragedy in human history, arguably.

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Their purpose wasn’t just to buy time though

remote spruce Jul 14, 2019, 4:57 AM

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The status is what matters more

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 4:57 AM

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Tbf

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Their purpose was to hit targets no one else could

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And draw covenant forces away from the front

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But yeah grand scheme it didn’t really help

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It helped for maybe a few years

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A decade at most

stable schooner Jul 14, 2019, 4:58 AM

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Surviving the war includes any Marine, ODST, Oni Agent Etc. That’s still a lot of people. Cause it makes them Special and distinguishes them from the rest of Humanity so yes what jungle said.

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 4:59 AM

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But by and large the III’s, and the II’s even less so, did little actual damage.

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 5:00 AM

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I feel like the lack of particular "specialness" is one of the good points of the Spartan-IV program

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Anyone can become a Spartan, yes.
And is that not what you want in a hero?

remote spruce Jul 14, 2019, 5:00 AM

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See you explained why fans don't like them
But there's no argument on why they should've not been in the story itself

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 5:00 AM

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You want someone that people can look up to and aspire to be

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and with the Spartan-IV program
it gives them the opportunity to get there

stable schooner Jul 14, 2019, 5:02 AM

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In real life no. Most don’t complain Not everyone can be a Jedi or Saiyan or that not everyone can be Special Forces.

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 5:02 AM

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Okay

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but

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the people that want to be
have the opportunity to work their way to get there

storm flume Jul 14, 2019, 5:02 AM

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Tbf the public in-universe is still under the impression Spartans are just really badass dudes in high-tech armor, aren't they?

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 5:02 AM

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it's not necessarily easy
but it's there

remote spruce Jul 14, 2019, 5:02 AM

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Yes

storm flume Jul 14, 2019, 5:02 AM

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IIs and IIIs I mean

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 5:02 AM

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More or less yeah

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Yes for them

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They know the IV’s are regular people

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But they don’t know about the II’s and III’s

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Their true origins anyways

storm flume Jul 14, 2019, 5:04 AM

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Besides rumours of course

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 5:04 AM

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The rumours have been debunked as crazy

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Thanks to HTT

remote spruce Jul 14, 2019, 5:04 AM

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"man can't believe they call them IIs,the sequel to the original Spartans in Greece thingy"

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 5:05 AM

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.....hmm?

stable schooner Jul 14, 2019, 5:05 AM

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If you mean real life Special forces at least in America no not everyone can join them. Which is apart of the appeal. This all a matter of opinion you either enjoy the route taken with Spartans or you don’t and I personally don’t. We disagree on Everything anyways Emperor

remote spruce Jul 14, 2019, 5:05 AM

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The Spartan Is aren't public

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 5:05 AM

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I think they’ve been somewhat declassified

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Like the III’s

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 5:05 AM

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no not everyone can join them
yeah thanks for pointing that out Sherlock

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 5:06 AM

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No need to get aggressive mate

remote spruce Jul 14, 2019, 5:06 AM

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All I know is, this all won't matter when 343i inevitably kills/writes out many Spartan IVs

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 5:07 AM

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Mhm

storm flume Jul 14, 2019, 5:07 AM

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Ah that will be the day

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 5:07 AM

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Lead up to infinite

remote spruce Jul 14, 2019, 5:07 AM

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Yawn

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 5:07 AM

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“Most of them died off screen”

and the casuals rejoice.

gilded mason Jul 14, 2019, 5:07 AM

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😎

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 5:07 AM

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that day will be met with thunderous roars of applause from most of the fanbase and incredibly loud and bored groaning from me

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 5:08 AM

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Same

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I’m pretty sure most people invested in the lore will disagree with it

remote spruce Jul 14, 2019, 5:08 AM

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Nah

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 5:08 AM

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No matter your opinion on the IV’s

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Doing that is dumb

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But they’ll do it

remote spruce Jul 14, 2019, 5:08 AM

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Plenty of lore fans don't like IVs

stray stream Jul 14, 2019, 5:09 AM

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Spartan Tier List: II, IV, III, I imo

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 5:09 AM

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if they go the "they died offscreen" route
I feel like a decent number of people will be annoyed
since it'd be pretty lazy

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 5:09 AM

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How’d you rate that list @stray stream

remote spruce Jul 14, 2019, 5:09 AM

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You forget the best tier
1337

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 5:09 AM

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^^^

stray stream Jul 14, 2019, 5:09 AM

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IIs are undoubtedly the best due to the extent of their augmentations

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theyre just mechanically the best

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 5:09 AM

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Uhhh

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 5:09 AM

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They pretty much did that with a lot of Halo 4's unfinished plot threads before 5 released and a whole bunch of people were not happy with that...

stray stream Jul 14, 2019, 5:09 AM

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IVs are a superior I basically

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and III are strong, but they were all sent on suicide missions

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with lesser equipment

remote spruce Jul 14, 2019, 5:10 AM

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ONI shoulda given them armor lock

stray stream Jul 14, 2019, 5:10 AM

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but their augmentations are genetic and drug-based

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lol

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 5:10 AM

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"hey what about [MacGuffin thing from SpOps]"
"oh we took care of that in Escalation"

"where did the Didact go"
"read Escalation"

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 5:10 AM

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IV’s actually have the best augments in terms of non-strength stuff.

III’s have better augs than the II’s and IV’s in terms of cost effectiveness.

And there’s still 332 III’s left alive.

remote spruce Jul 14, 2019, 5:11 AM

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Survival rate would increase of they all armor locked during a Banshee attack

stray stream Jul 14, 2019, 5:11 AM

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when i say all, i mean they were created to be used as strong cannon fodder

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 5:11 AM

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True

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But I don’t feel like that’s a reason to rate them lower

stray stream Jul 14, 2019, 5:11 AM

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also most IIIs cant use mjolnir from my understanding

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 5:12 AM

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They all can

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Now they all do

stray stream Jul 14, 2019, 5:12 AM

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i thought it depended on the extent of their modifications

gilded mason Jul 14, 2019, 5:12 AM

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also most IIIs cant use mjolnir from my understanding
It was just expensive

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 5:12 AM

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Nah

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It was cost

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 5:12 AM

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They can, the UNSC just didn't initially want to spend all of those resources on soldiers that were probably all going to die

stray stream Jul 14, 2019, 5:12 AM

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i see

remote spruce Jul 14, 2019, 5:12 AM

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Noble Team had no extra augmentations

stray stream Jul 14, 2019, 5:12 AM

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i kinda wanna see a hoplite armor user in canon

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i like that design

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and the centurion got a user

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 5:13 AM

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It is a cool design ye

stray stream Jul 14, 2019, 5:13 AM

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my favorite though is interceptor

remote spruce Jul 14, 2019, 5:13 AM

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Halo 2 Anniversary armor is annoying for lore

stray stream Jul 14, 2019, 5:13 AM

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i like the idea of being able to customize the suit on the fly

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seems like it could have creative uses

remote spruce Jul 14, 2019, 5:13 AM

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Ok so it's Gen 2 but not really, and oh variations we'll never see again

stray stream Jul 14, 2019, 5:13 AM

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also the design is just cool-looking

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 5:13 AM

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Hoplite’s changed description is annoying to me personally.

It doesn’t really make sense.

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 5:13 AM

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I think the one thing I really dislike about the S-IV program is more to do with just how many variants of GEN2 MJOLNIR there are

I get that it's more commercialized post-War, but it's a little bit absurd

stray stream Jul 14, 2019, 5:14 AM

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jungle, centurion is being used rn

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 5:14 AM

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It’s absurd even during the war

remote spruce Jul 14, 2019, 5:14 AM

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But the Centurion design from H2A is abandoned

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 5:14 AM

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Mind I think I might have fixed that issue with a theory. During the war anyways.

stray stream Jul 14, 2019, 5:14 AM

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oh yeah, look-wise its nothing alike

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maybe the armor just isnt canon?

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like multiple players in halo 1?

remote spruce Jul 14, 2019, 5:15 AM

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I was hoping it appeared in Mythos, with Fred boi wearing it on Onyx or something

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But nope

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 5:15 AM

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I don't mind the variants from during the war all that much, since it's mostly modular, similar-looking systems

but GEN2 is
ridiculous

You'd think design competitions would block like 75% of MJOLNIR variants from ever reaching production

stray stream Jul 14, 2019, 5:15 AM

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well

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 5:15 AM

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TLDR my theory for the war is it’s three base suits (regular [B] and COBALT) with those three serving as the different platforms for armour.

stray stream Jul 14, 2019, 5:15 AM

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not really

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 5:15 AM

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~~oh god what if they already do~~

gilded mason Jul 14, 2019, 5:15 AM

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may god help us all

stray stream Jul 14, 2019, 5:16 AM

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also a friendly reminder that hayabusa was literally made and was superior to preexisting models of mjolnir by an independent coorporation with no government funding

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 5:16 AM

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IIRC it wasn’t superior in all things

remote spruce Jul 14, 2019, 5:16 AM

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Reach had the right idea with some armor stuff being from Mark IV

stray stream Jul 14, 2019, 5:16 AM

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eternal, i mean in relation to mk iv and v

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preexisting MODELS

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not variants

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 5:17 AM

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Reach’s idea of how the majority of MJOLNIR was actually regular gear made to work with it was great.

stray stream Jul 14, 2019, 5:17 AM

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yeah.

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MP helmet was just a powered marine helmet

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 5:17 AM

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In what way was it superior though?

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Because like, SPI is superior to MJOLNIR in some aspects

stray stream Jul 14, 2019, 5:17 AM

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it had shielding, it was powered on par with other VI models

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 5:17 AM

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For example

stray stream Jul 14, 2019, 5:17 AM

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it was just an incredible feat

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they made it with no covenant reverse engineering iirc

remote spruce Jul 14, 2019, 5:18 AM

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Wasn't it the other way around
With the MP helmet being based on the Spartan version?

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 5:18 AM

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Nah it was joint use by Beta-5

stray stream Jul 14, 2019, 5:18 AM

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marines shape-wise are the same as the MP helmet

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just the MP helmet has a visor

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 5:18 AM

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It’s the standard helmet with Beta-5 sensor packages.

remote spruce Jul 14, 2019, 5:19 AM

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Oh, must be thinking ODST

stray stream Jul 14, 2019, 5:19 AM

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odst still had the same helmets

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just their modern ones are upgraded

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with mjolnir tech

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 5:19 AM

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The internals were Spartan originally not the external look

remote spruce Jul 14, 2019, 5:19 AM

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So VISR?

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 5:19 AM

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Yeah

stray stream Jul 14, 2019, 5:20 AM

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visr isnt used by many models i think?

remote spruce Jul 14, 2019, 5:20 AM

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Not the actual helmet and chest design?

stray stream Jul 14, 2019, 5:20 AM

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its mostly for black ops id think?

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 5:20 AM

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IIRC it was made for S-III’s then given to ODST’s

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Nah, we can see regular ODST gear in FUD

stray stream Jul 14, 2019, 5:20 AM

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reach doesnt have visr, it has something else i forget the name of

remote spruce Jul 14, 2019, 5:20 AM

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What about Gungnir shoulders

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 5:20 AM

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I'm pretty sure all UNSC helmets have some sort of VISR system
maybe not standard Marines
but ODST and MJOLNIR definitely do

stray stream Jul 14, 2019, 5:21 AM

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how does gungnir avoid camera delay

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 5:21 AM

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I don’t think we should take the shoulders as canon

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Tbh

stray stream Jul 14, 2019, 5:21 AM

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the slightest delay would only confuse a spartan

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 5:21 AM

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A lot of it doesn’t really make sense

stray stream Jul 14, 2019, 5:21 AM

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if the camera is digital

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it would be unusable to a spartan

remote spruce Jul 14, 2019, 5:22 AM

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Reach UNSC allies use those shoulders, which was weird

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 5:22 AM

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Like how too of the line, AAG exclusive gear is literally just a thin metal band along the arm.

stray stream Jul 14, 2019, 5:22 AM

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does anyone know how the gungir camera worked around digital delay

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i can believe its emp hardened

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 5:22 AM

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Like the shoulders I don’t think are meant to be “canon” with the variants.

remote spruce Jul 14, 2019, 5:22 AM

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I don't get the camera

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I guess it's an alternative to a bright good visor

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 5:23 AM

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I don’t think it’s a camera

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Just an armoured plate over the visor

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At least for the GEN1 version

stray stream Jul 14, 2019, 5:23 AM

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it is a camera

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it uses a camera to see

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theres no visor

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its just an armored plate

remote spruce Jul 14, 2019, 5:24 AM

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Maybe the ONI team of Gungnir armor was like "I'll use our new marine shoulder pads, what could go wrong"

stray stream Jul 14, 2019, 5:24 AM

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at least if reach memories serve me well

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tbh mjolnir shoulder pads wouldnt hurt a non spartan imo

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theyd just be super strong titanium plates

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without a power source

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 5:25 AM

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I'm pretty sure it's mostly the undersuit that screws people up

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the outer plating is just there for protection

remote spruce Jul 14, 2019, 5:25 AM

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No wonder my allies in Reach died quickly

stray stream Jul 14, 2019, 5:25 AM

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nova, without a power source, no mjolnir part would hurt a person

remote spruce Jul 14, 2019, 5:25 AM

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Pesky armor and giant backpacks

stray stream Jul 14, 2019, 5:26 AM

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its just a bodysuit and really heavy armor without a power source

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 5:26 AM

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well
yeah

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A normal person could maybe handle the weight of the shoulder pauldrons, I suppose.

stray stream Jul 14, 2019, 5:27 AM

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shoulders would be the one body part that could support that

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tbh its really not a big lore deal imo

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 5:28 AM

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Not much point in wearing the outer plating if you aren't gonna use the rest of the suit

stray stream Jul 14, 2019, 5:29 AM

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i mean there is

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your shoulders are basically bulletproof

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at least to small arms

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wouldnt stop a sniper rifle but a magnum in lore would probably be stopped

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 5:30 AM

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That is fair, but just the shoulders isn't exactly the most helpful.
Especially if you're already wearing some body armor.

stray stream Jul 14, 2019, 5:30 AM

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they couldnt put any more mjolnir pieces

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the shoulders would be the ideal one

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the shoulders of the human body can support the most pressure

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 5:31 AM

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The shoulders aren’t expressly MJOLNIR

stray stream Jul 14, 2019, 5:31 AM

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fair, but im saying even if they were, it wouldnt be too bad

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wouldnt be a plot hole

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 5:31 AM

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MJOLNIR refers to the suit, not necessarily the armoured plates

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Yeah

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I get you

stray stream Jul 14, 2019, 5:32 AM

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can spartans 1.5 wear mjolnir i wonder

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 5:32 AM

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1.1s?

stray stream Jul 14, 2019, 5:32 AM

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1.1s yea

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sorry

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 5:32 AM

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I don't think they'd be able to.
Not without augmentations.

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 5:32 AM

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It could be that GUNGIR shoulders simply took the usual shoulder piece and adapted it.

stray stream Jul 14, 2019, 5:32 AM

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one shrugged off tasers and jumped off many stories and got up and walked it off

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and was able to control her pulse against a supposedly "invincible" lie detector

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 5:33 AM

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I feel like that's a little different from hypersensitive powered armor tearing your muscles off your skeleton.

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 5:33 AM

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That doesn’t mean they can wear MJOLNIR without serious injury

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The issue isn’t bone strength or durability

stray stream Jul 14, 2019, 5:33 AM

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my point is the gap between a 1.1 and a normal human is insane

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 5:34 AM

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It’s that the suit moves so much faster than anyone else can comprehend

stray stream Jul 14, 2019, 5:34 AM

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so maybe at least SPI?

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 5:34 AM

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SPI can be work by anyone

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 5:34 AM

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SPI was issued to a few ODST units, if I remember correctly, so yeah.

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They'd be fine.

stray stream Jul 14, 2019, 5:34 AM

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hm

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 5:35 AM

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MJOLNIR is so deadly to non-II’s and III’s because it’s powered by thought, and it moves fast enough that unless you’re trained it will move without you knowing or being able to stop it.

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It moves faster than the human mind can comprehend

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And react too

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A II or III with their enhanced reaction time can deal with and compensate

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But no one else can

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Speaking of, I wonder who got that suit they used to test on the Marine

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 5:45 AM

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Cleanup on that probably wasn’t fun.

storm flume Jul 14, 2019, 6:40 AM

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I feel bad for the guys who probably had to just stand there and wait for the sob to stop twitching before attempting to take him out.

versed helm Jul 14, 2019, 8:18 AM

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Maybe they had medical drones for the job.

violet vine Jul 14, 2019, 9:40 AM

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Imperium

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vs

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Xeelee

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LOL

fair hazel Jul 14, 2019, 3:33 PM

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That’s for another server.

versed helm Jul 14, 2019, 5:40 PM

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basically mjolnir is more than a person trapped in a cage, it’s an extension of man, a link between man and machine

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Absolutely.

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When a Spartan's wearing MJOLNIR, it's effectively no different than their own muscles and organs.

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 6:21 PM

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Mhm, that’s why it felt like a second skin, like their true skin.

Well that and a few other reasons.

storm flume Jul 14, 2019, 6:53 PM

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Don't Spartans feel extremely uncomfortable being out of their suit after extended periods of use?

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I think I read it somewhere that it literally feels like leaving their skin

carmine sleet Jul 14, 2019, 6:59 PM

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Most do, some don't like Adrianna of Grey Team

ebon coyote Jul 14, 2019, 7:26 PM

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Spartan-111

stray stream Jul 14, 2019, 7:44 PM

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many odsts became spartan IVs. I wonder if any Hellbringers did as well

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if so the CINDER armor would be perfect for them

inner basin Jul 14, 2019, 8:23 PM

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Well many who became Spartan-IVs came from all the other branches of the UNSC (I’d say except the Navy but even then we don’t know).

carmine sleet Jul 14, 2019, 8:26 PM

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There's former Navy who became S-IVs

inner basin Jul 14, 2019, 8:27 PM

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Also to close out the debate earlier about Team Omega, as of October 2558 we know they had 6 (3 named and 3 unnamed). Whether the 3 unnamed are part of he original team we don’t know, but they have 6 as of October 2558.

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 8:27 PM

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Was playing through H2A earlier.
Would have been a neat touch to see ODST drop pods raining in as the In Amber Clad chased the Solemn Penance.

inner basin Jul 14, 2019, 8:29 PM

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Yeah they should’ve done it with the Anniversary, as well as show the In Amber Clad entering the slipspace portal the same way it did in the original H2 and ODST, as it was depicted entering to the right of the Solemn Penance, and not behind it.

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 8:33 PM

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I remember people looking for the pods when the cutscenes were first posted on YouTube

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A lot of people did to my knowledge

inner basin Jul 14, 2019, 8:33 PM

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I guess I personally can’t find them 😦

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 8:35 PM

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They aren’t there

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But a lot of people wanted to believe

stray stream Jul 14, 2019, 8:36 PM

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Wow i cant say that word when asking about alien biology

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Odd.

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The question was that elites dont have distinguishable gender differences visually, correct?

inner basin Jul 14, 2019, 8:38 PM

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Oh I thought by you saying “A lot of people did to my knowledge” that they found them, Eternal

stray stream Jul 14, 2019, 8:38 PM

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I said secondary you know what characteristics

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Iirc marines couldnt tell the difference between males and females

inner basin Jul 14, 2019, 8:39 PM

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I mean Female Elites are generally much slimmer, and aren’t as beefy as Male Elites, but that’s the only visual differences I’ve noticed.

stray stream Jul 14, 2019, 8:39 PM

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Their vocal frequency appears to be the same too

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Im just surprised that i cant say that word in this context

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Aw well

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Understandable i suppose

inner basin Jul 14, 2019, 8:41 PM

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I can have a guess of what word it is, but it’s the word filter that catches it no matter if it’s not a bad meaning context

stray stream Jul 14, 2019, 8:41 PM

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Yeah.

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Basically its another word for gendered

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Or rather i guess thats as close as it gets

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Tbh im surprised that they clamp down on language so much due to the halo series having many of these words in the actual games

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In many different contexts

storm flume Jul 14, 2019, 8:44 PM

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Same but that how it be

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They lightened up on the language in 4 and 5 right?

inner basin Jul 14, 2019, 8:45 PM

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Yeah, that’s why they were lower rated than Bungie games. By lower rated I’m talking in terms of age restrictions

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 8:48 PM

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Also no overt gore

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Like with the flood

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Or any blood really to my knowledge

inner basin Jul 14, 2019, 8:49 PM

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You couldn’t keep beating a Grunt to keep blood coming out

stoic hamlet Jul 14, 2019, 8:49 PM

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4 was rated M though

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5 wasn’t

inner basin Jul 14, 2019, 8:50 PM

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In the UK 4 was rated 16, whereas M would usually be our 18 ratings, so that’s odd

feral perch Jul 14, 2019, 8:51 PM

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There is definitely blood in 4 and 5

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 8:53 PM

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I think the word filter is used primarily because this is an official server

so anything getting out of hand would reflect poorly on 343/MS

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anyhow

vivid dust Jul 14, 2019, 9:00 PM

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5 has very little blood

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and no human blood whatsoever

carmine sleet Jul 14, 2019, 9:08 PM

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To be fair, at least in campaign, we don't encounter that many humans, with all of them being on Meridian. Plus I was never all that bothered by the amount of blood in the first place anyway

unique rune Jul 14, 2019, 9:27 PM

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Blood’s never really been a central point of the Halo franchise, so I don’t have an issue withit.

feral perch Jul 14, 2019, 9:28 PM

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Halo 5 does have human blood, albeit very faint

rustic canyon Jul 14, 2019, 9:31 PM

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blood was really only a bigish thing in original CE, the glowing neon grunts blood you could decorate the vents with

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for the most part the rest was fairly tame compared to other games

last anchor Jul 14, 2019, 9:38 PM

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4 also had the Composer...

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If THAt didnt make it M alone

carmine sleet Jul 14, 2019, 9:41 PM

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I remember once having to explain why that was likely one of the reasons why Halo 4 was rated M after they claimed that the scene from Spider-Man 1 where a bunch of people are turned to skeletons was somehow the same and meant Halo 4 shouldn't have gotten that rating

last anchor Jul 14, 2019, 9:46 PM

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I dont remember that scene

carmine sleet Jul 14, 2019, 9:48 PM

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Goblin throws bombs on the balcony and a whole group of people get turned into CGI skeletons for a split second before turning to dust. It's hardly graphic compared to the Composer scene in Halo 4 where you see the layers slowly disappear before having a closeup of a screaming skull

last anchor Jul 14, 2019, 9:49 PM

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Oh riiiigggh

stray stream Jul 14, 2019, 10:25 PM

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also on the earlier thing i said, hellbringers are marines

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not navy

subtle moth Jul 14, 2019, 10:31 PM

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Does anyone know of any special ops type marines? And what they're called if they exist?

remote spruce Jul 14, 2019, 11:42 PM

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aren't they just ODSTs

feral perch Jul 14, 2019, 11:56 PM

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Can we get an F in the chat for how hard Dr. Halsey friend zoned Capt. Keyes by the time of GoO?
"She closed her eyes as the assimilated Captain Keyes was destroyed.
'Rest easy, old friend,' she whispered."

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GoO pg 149

remote spruce Jul 15, 2019, 12:05 AM

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Miranda Keyes: visible confusion

last anchor Jul 15, 2019, 12:09 AM

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Remember; they weren't in a canon relationship then. That came AFTER

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In fact the first solid 100% confiermation was in Glasslands wasnt it?

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It was HINTED at in the journal but no confirmation

unique rune Jul 15, 2019, 12:10 AM

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mildly disturbing little note
in CEA
you can actually hear Keyes groaning in pain while assimilated into the Proto-Gravemind

gilded mason Jul 15, 2019, 12:10 AM

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I mean, the fact Miranda was in the journal was as good a confirmation as any.

remote spruce Jul 15, 2019, 12:10 AM

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Wait so Cole Protocol didn't confirm things? All I recall is ice cream

gilded mason Jul 15, 2019, 12:20 AM

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Also, the journal talked about Miranda changing her last name to Keyes and not responding to Halsey's letters anymore.

remote spruce Jul 15, 2019, 12:30 AM

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Halsey a bad mom confirmed

gilded mason Jul 15, 2019, 12:30 AM

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lol

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She did get Miranda assigned to a very-unlikely place to see Covenant action, at least.

inner basin Jul 15, 2019, 1:02 AM

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I’m always late to the good conversations, now I arrive to a conversation about Keyes, Halsey and Miranda D:

gilded mason Jul 15, 2019, 1:02 AM

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i cri for miranda

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And her silly death scene

inner basin Jul 15, 2019, 1:04 AM

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Her death scene should’ve been better

gilded mason Jul 15, 2019, 1:04 AM

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Or just don't kill her at all. 🙂

unique rune Jul 15, 2019, 1:05 AM

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a lot of things about Halo 3's campaign should have been better

but they weren't

gilded mason Jul 15, 2019, 1:05 AM

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If only Staten wasn't so busy with other stuff.

inner basin Jul 15, 2019, 1:07 AM

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I think there should’ve been a greater representation of ODSTs in Halo 3, I mean it’s humanity’s penultimate battle against the original Covenant

gilded mason Jul 15, 2019, 1:07 AM

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I think there should've been a greater representation of Elites as well

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Only in slivers of two different levels.

inner basin Jul 15, 2019, 1:08 AM

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Why was there so few forces, in fact for both sides, Elite and Humans as well as Covies. The majority of the original Covenant forces should’ve been there

stoic hamlet Jul 15, 2019, 1:49 AM

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H3, if you really think about it, really is kinda dumb

warped gust Jul 15, 2019, 2:45 AM

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So i just read Fall of Reach, I think I'll read Crytium next

opal flame Jul 15, 2019, 3:04 AM

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This is fleet admiral harper, UNSC PILLAR OF AUTUM has been sunk by enemy action. Telemetry lost after engagement on reach, and repinged on the scoop 150,000 light years from earth via subspace transmission communikay. Cortona has self destructed the ships main reactor causing the destruction of the alien artifact known as halo. Speculations point that the remain flood infestation was neutralized but new intel dictates there has been a planet the flood has fully consumed and a planetary scale organic mass is moving towards sol system as we speak. All hands RED ALERT! Battle Stations.

unique rune Jul 15, 2019, 3:14 AM

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This doesn't look like #fanfiction...

vague scroll Jul 15, 2019, 3:57 AM

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the Halo discord doesn't have a #fanfiction to begin with so this is probably the best place to discuss it but not necessarily share it. I'm not sure if fanfiction is something recommending sharing here anyway.

unique rune Jul 15, 2019, 3:59 AM

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~~that was kind of what I was trying to get at~~

vague scroll Jul 15, 2019, 4:00 AM

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ah okay, my bad

fair hazel Jul 15, 2019, 4:01 AM

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No roleplay @opal flame

opal flame Jul 15, 2019, 4:05 AM

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okay

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what shall we talk about then friends i was bored

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just fishing for some things to write

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did it suck that bad lol

stable schooner Jul 15, 2019, 4:20 AM

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So anyone got a guess how many Marines a frigate like the AmberClad carries? I’ve been adding isolated squads of enemy Marines to Sacred Icon and I don’t want to overdue the numbers unrealistically.

gilded mason Jul 15, 2019, 4:21 AM

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So anyone got a guess how many Marines a frigate like the AmberClad carries?
200 marines and 64 ODST

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Straight from Warfleet. 😋

stable schooner Jul 15, 2019, 4:23 AM

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Darn so few. I added 9 extra Marines I think that’s realistic. Theirs so many dead Marines and Marine Flood Combat Forms in the Two missions it seemed liked their was Hundreds.

gilded mason Jul 15, 2019, 4:23 AM

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Also 6 pelicans, 12 warthogs, and 6 tanks.

stable schooner Jul 15, 2019, 4:29 AM

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Huh matches pretty good with vehicles since you see a Total Of 5 Scorpions And 5 Hogs.

remote spruce Jul 15, 2019, 4:30 AM

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i think the old encyclopedia had similar crew numbers

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why did Miranda lead most of the forces to the friggin' Library anyway?

gilded mason Jul 15, 2019, 4:32 AM

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'Cause

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I assume she wanted to make sure the index was secure and not able to be used by the Covenant.

stable schooner Jul 15, 2019, 4:32 AM

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And the Wall don’t forget

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Also I’ve just learned Sentinel Enforcers destroy Marines.

gilded mason Jul 15, 2019, 4:33 AM

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But things seem to have gone super pear-shaped really fast.

remote spruce Jul 15, 2019, 4:33 AM

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she lost most of her forces

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but she knew about the flood?

gilded mason Jul 15, 2019, 4:34 AM

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Like, she basically lost everything in that assault, so I'd love to know what her strategy was during this.

remote spruce Jul 15, 2019, 4:34 AM

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"to war"

stable schooner Jul 15, 2019, 4:34 AM

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Be careful John, criticize Miranda and her defense force will come to argue and insult us. She knew they weren’t Covenant

gilded mason Jul 15, 2019, 4:34 AM

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pls no

stable schooner Jul 15, 2019, 4:36 AM

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I can’t forgive the fact her entire force was basically scattered and isolated as they got picked off by Flood, Sentinels and Covenant.

remote spruce Jul 15, 2019, 4:36 AM

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i like to think that the Pelican carrying the Scorpion in Quarantine Zone thought "the heck are we doing, i don't have any place to land"

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and the Scorpion driver firing in the air like a maniac

stable schooner Jul 15, 2019, 4:36 AM

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And later appears crashed and it’s crew infected.

remote spruce Jul 15, 2019, 4:37 AM

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Also, In Amber Clad got infected
how even?

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did they land next to the Flood?

gilded mason Jul 15, 2019, 4:37 AM

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I guess some Flood took a pelican up there or something

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Since it was parked near the Library

stable schooner Jul 15, 2019, 4:38 AM

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It’s literally parked right over the Library they could have just jumped

gilded mason Jul 15, 2019, 4:38 AM

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Eh, probably not jumpable

remote spruce Jul 15, 2019, 4:38 AM

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i mean rocket jumping /s

gilded mason Jul 15, 2019, 4:38 AM

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But close enough to be worrisome (rightfully)

remote spruce Jul 15, 2019, 4:39 AM

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does Warfleet state the amount of peeps in Forward Unto Dawn?

stable schooner Jul 15, 2019, 4:39 AM

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Miranda completely failed. Just need a F for fallen Marines

unique rune Jul 15, 2019, 4:39 AM

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Maybe the Gravemind was able to use the teleport grid to get them onboard the *In Amber Clad.

gilded mason Jul 15, 2019, 4:39 AM

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does Warfleet state the amount of peeps in Forward Unto Dawn?
Nah

unique rune Jul 15, 2019, 4:39 AM

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Seemed to be able to use it to get the Arbiter and Chief places.

gilded mason Jul 15, 2019, 4:39 AM

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True

remote spruce Jul 15, 2019, 4:40 AM

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so the miniseries Forward Unto Dawn is the only source then, with 712 or something

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wish we knew how many ODSTs, Marines, and vehicles

unique rune Jul 15, 2019, 4:41 AM

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712 seems a bit unreasonable...

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Stridents are listed as only carrying 190 Navy personnel, so I can't imagine a Charon carrying many more.

stable schooner Jul 15, 2019, 4:42 AM

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I mean anything could have happen really. We see flood infected Pelicans, Flood can jump really high, teleported in, The Amber Clad is so exposed I wouldn’t be surprised at any explanation.

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Anyone notice a distinct lack of ODSTs among Miranda’s forces.

gilded mason Jul 15, 2019, 4:43 AM

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Didn't we spend Delta Halo with ODSTs?

stable schooner Jul 15, 2019, 4:43 AM

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Only a small portion of them and the second half is normal Marines

gilded mason Jul 15, 2019, 4:44 AM

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I guess she lost the rest in the quarantine zone

remote spruce Jul 15, 2019, 4:45 AM

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oh wait, it says crew capacity: 782

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so not the actual number

stable schooner Jul 15, 2019, 4:45 AM

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3 ODST allies, 4 Marines. Theirs 7 pods and 5 dead ODSTs

remote spruce Jul 15, 2019, 4:45 AM

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just how many it could hold

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@unique rune

unique rune Jul 15, 2019, 4:45 AM

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That sounds like... a lot.

remote spruce Jul 15, 2019, 4:46 AM

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there are more pods throughout the level

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but it's still a small amount

stable schooner Jul 15, 2019, 4:46 AM

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Of course it’s possible she also could have lost some in New Mombasa.

remote spruce Jul 15, 2019, 4:47 AM

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maybe like, less than 10

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there's also the poor ODST body in Cortana in Halo 3

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So realistically how many from In Amber Clad could've survived to Halo 3?

gilded mason Jul 15, 2019, 4:50 AM

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I guess all the people Thel saved during The Great Journey?

stable schooner Jul 15, 2019, 4:50 AM

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Like Personnel period?

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Then what Ostral said.

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Sergeant Banks, Stacker, Johnson and Miranda. Sadly not Corporeal Perez most likely.

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So all her NCOs and herself. 4 out of around let’s say around 450 people.

remote spruce Jul 15, 2019, 4:56 AM

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Australian boi

stable schooner Jul 15, 2019, 4:57 AM

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Chips being a Specific Marine is debatable. I’m unsure how to list him

remote spruce Jul 15, 2019, 4:58 AM

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I think the original intention was that each version of him in a game was a different marine

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Same with Stacker

stable schooner Jul 15, 2019, 4:58 AM

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Nah Stacker is definitely the same Marine he’s actually named and appears in Cutscenes. And actually has Some uniqueness being a Sergeant and having special stats every game.

remote spruce Jul 15, 2019, 5:01 AM

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But was he named in game?

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As in during gameplay?

gilded mason Jul 15, 2019, 5:01 AM

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In Halo 4, at least

stable schooner Jul 15, 2019, 5:01 AM

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Halo 2 Credits. More then Chips ever got.

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Also Halo 4

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Plus theirs never a Marine with Stackers voice that calls himself another name like with Chips.

remote spruce Jul 15, 2019, 5:04 AM

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I mean there's police guy in ODST

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I think Stacker appears in ODST anyway

stable schooner Jul 15, 2019, 5:04 AM

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Doesn’t have a name and is clearly a Cop though with a unseen face.

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No Cutscene presence in ODST though.

remote spruce Jul 15, 2019, 5:06 AM

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So how did he and Chips survive Alpha Halo

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I feel like that'll never be explained by 343i

gilded mason Jul 15, 2019, 5:07 AM

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They used neural physics.

stable schooner Jul 15, 2019, 5:08 AM

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Some of us consider his Halo 1 and ODST appearance as mere gameplay and not Canon. Since his place in the story is taken by other marines in the Flood during CE

remote spruce Jul 15, 2019, 5:09 AM

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I think the CE legendary ending is canon in the sense that the marine is supposed to be a different sergeant

gilded mason Jul 15, 2019, 5:09 AM

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I think the CE legendary ending is canon in the sense that the marine is supposed to be a different sergeant
How tragic to find true love - only at the end of their journey.

stable schooner Jul 15, 2019, 5:09 AM

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An Elite Zealot hugging a marine yeah right lol it’s just a NonCanon joke.

remote spruce Jul 15, 2019, 5:10 AM

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I mean it makes no difference if it's canon or not

But it's funny to think a random survivor from Alpha Base decided to hug an Elite

gilded mason Jul 15, 2019, 5:10 AM

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maybe the power of love teleported them to safety

stable schooner Jul 15, 2019, 5:10 AM

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Ah man your making me tear up for Exho 419 again

remote spruce Jul 15, 2019, 5:12 AM

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Those jokes about the teleporter on the Elite that warped them to Cairo Station

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"sorry Gunns, it's classified"

stable schooner Jul 15, 2019, 5:13 AM

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Also I added a pair of Brutes during the first Enforcer fight. Gotta say they were pretty useless against the flood.

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Gunns should have told Johnson he was gonna wear something nice.

remote spruce Jul 15, 2019, 5:17 AM

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Gunns should've realized they nerfed the M90 in Halo 2

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The he would've used a sniper and survive

stable schooner Jul 15, 2019, 5:18 AM

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I mean if he wasn’t scripted to die he has a pretty good chance of winning.

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Elite Minors can’t handle Superior Firepower! Gunns death was an inside job.

gilded mason Jul 15, 2019, 5:22 AM

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One of 'em was a major

stable schooner Jul 15, 2019, 5:24 AM

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Seriously though his attachment to that Armory got him killed he was literally the only Marine in that entire area. A Major in prowreckage by Gunns. Every time I get up there his shields are gone.

gilded mason Jul 15, 2019, 5:25 AM

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Just like Shrek.

stable schooner Jul 15, 2019, 5:25 AM

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Nah ask yourself this when have you ever seen Gunns not in his Armory?

remote spruce Jul 15, 2019, 5:28 AM

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He had extra shotgun ammo, he thought it was good

stable schooner Jul 15, 2019, 5:30 AM

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Like he literally had Covenant all around him to the point Stealth Elites were under Him.

remote spruce Jul 15, 2019, 5:35 AM

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"what are we doing here"
"Distraction so the bomb team can move in"
"So why are we hiding"

stable schooner Jul 15, 2019, 5:37 AM

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I never found the purpose of bringing those Stealth Elites to Cairo if their not guarding the Bomb.

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Stealth Elites in General became pointless when Halo 2 gave Camo to Spec Ops.

remote spruce Jul 15, 2019, 5:42 AM

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Stealth Grunts best Grunts

stable schooner Jul 15, 2019, 5:44 AM

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Stealth Grunts? You mean those normal ranked Grunts that were invisible for some reason on Regret.

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Oh just wanted to say while Stacker is listed as a voice in the files Chips is just Aussie in Halo 2.

versed helm Jul 15, 2019, 1:33 PM

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More support for my buffer fields theory - the theory I had which is that all anti-gravity tech in Halo is relatedly to the principles of Forerunner buffer fields.

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So just to re-iterate, the definition of buffer - "a person or thing that reduces a shock or that forms a barrier between incompatible or antagonistic people or things."

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So a buffer field, with respect to gravity, must mean a field that isolates a given entity or area from external gravitational impulses, right?

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Anyway, according to Warfleet, comprehensive gravity systems have the capability of nullifying the pull of gravity on a ship's hull, which is what enables things like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZkRaTWc5Dc

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So we know that, fundamentally, most ships in Halo that seem to be floating aren't doing it because they have supplemental lift (the equivalent of downwards-facing thrusters), but because gravity itself is not acting on them the way it should be. Obviously, at least in human hands (as we see with the PoA's thrust-coupling assisted takeoff) there are limits to what this technology can achieve, likely based around factors like energy requirement and mass.

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But another way to describe the nullification of the pull of gravity could be the buffering of gravitational impulse on the hull.

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And it certainly seems as if such a technology would be the primary factor in isolating the crew of a vessel from the inertia of their vessel's acceleration.

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I guess the takeway is that, as-is, it's kinda difficult to discern what bits of tech fit in where both chronologically in the advancement of grav control in Halo and functionally in a ship's overall gravitic control capabilities, and more specifically what's done what. But if I was to make an educated guess based on all the sources we have right now, assuming we'll never find out anything else, I'd say that the generation of a comfortable living environment on a ship is the result of "gravity generators" (formerly something similar to anti-gravity plates mounted on the underside of deck plates to push those on the deck below downwards at comfortable gravity), and that inertial compensators or dampeners perform their namesake task with the use of something akin to Forerunner buffer fields.

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The radical suggestion here is that in-atmosphere floating may be more a factor of the inertial compensation systems than the systems which provide paragravity internally.

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That said, Warfleet seems to also imply that gravitic pull nullification may actually be the result of a third type of system, just as much is it might imply that it's a more comprehensive version of one of the first two systems.

fair hazel Jul 15, 2019, 2:17 PM

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I don’t like the bias spacedock has against halo and lack of knowledge 😦

versed helm Jul 15, 2019, 2:27 PM

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I don't watch a terrible lot of spacedock and spaceship YouTubers

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They don't tend to address the important things

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They just kinda read off wiki pages in a fancy format

versed helm Jul 15, 2019, 2:51 PM

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I love the Templin Institute's video on the UNSC though

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Even if there's a few silly mistakes it always makes me feel happy

carmine sleet Jul 15, 2019, 2:52 PM

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They do their research at Templin, that's for sure

radiant sphinx Jul 15, 2019, 4:06 PM

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I really want Templin to do a video on the Atlas Corporation from Advanced Warfare

obsidian thistle Jul 15, 2019, 4:26 PM

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I am ok with Templin. But they are hard to reach to discuss stuff with.

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Was hoping to discuss Halopedia helping them at one point.

carmine sleet Jul 15, 2019, 4:28 PM

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That would be cool

spiral jewel Jul 15, 2019, 5:41 PM

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Stupid question: how many humans and Covenant were still alive on Installation 04 when John and Cortana blew up I04? I'm not sure if CE and "The Flood" give any details.

versed helm Jul 15, 2019, 5:42 PM

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Scattered remnants, good-as-dead at best mostly if they didn't have space transportation.

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UNSC forces were all-but-gone, Covenant troops were being rapidly overrun by the Flood and the fleet was probably reluctant to reinforce after the Infinite Succour fiasco.

stable schooner Jul 15, 2019, 5:45 PM

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I mean that’s a decent amount of UNSC forces Fireteam Raven shows us

limpid meadow Jul 15, 2019, 5:46 PM

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Fireteam Raven shows up basically all that was left

stoic hamlet Jul 15, 2019, 5:46 PM

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Most of the UNSC troops died on the TaR

limpid meadow Jul 15, 2019, 5:46 PM

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In truth there was a large force onboard the Truth and Reconciliation, but they ultimately died, too

stoic hamlet Jul 15, 2019, 5:46 PM

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Still took the ship though

stable schooner Jul 15, 2019, 5:46 PM

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Which is more then the 4 people in Halo 2 and included armored Vehicles so I consider it a fair amount

modest marsh Jul 15, 2019, 5:47 PM

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Huh

stoic hamlet Jul 15, 2019, 5:47 PM

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More than 4 people lived from Delta Halo IIRC

stable schooner Jul 15, 2019, 5:47 PM

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Source?

stoic hamlet Jul 15, 2019, 5:47 PM

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Well are you counting only those actually deployed onto the ring or all ships sent there?

stable schooner Jul 15, 2019, 5:48 PM

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Deployed on the Ring

stoic hamlet Jul 15, 2019, 5:49 PM

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I could be wrong, but IIRC there was canonically a dozen Marines that made it out/that helped Johnson with the scarab.

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We only see three(?) alongside Johnson in the gameplay

gilded mason Jul 15, 2019, 5:49 PM

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but IIRC there was canonically a dozen Marines that made it out/that helped Johnson with the scarab.
Remember where that was said?

stable schooner Jul 15, 2019, 5:50 PM

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2, the 2 other Sergeants of the Amber Clad, the Brutes only spared the Commanders

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And their always there not randomized Marines

stoic hamlet Jul 15, 2019, 5:50 PM

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I don’t. I might be taking info from a fanfic

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I don’t know if three marines can run a scarab though

stable schooner Jul 15, 2019, 5:51 PM

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2 Elites can on Metropolis

limpid meadow Jul 15, 2019, 5:51 PM

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Technically just 1 can

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Scarabs only need 1 "pilot" since the "pilot" is really just a guide

stoic hamlet Jul 15, 2019, 5:52 PM

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Elites specifically trained in its operation aren’t Marines who’ve only seemingly done simulations.

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I’m not saying it can’t be done

stable schooner Jul 15, 2019, 5:52 PM

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Which mattered none to the Plot so I don’t think that matters.

stoic hamlet Jul 15, 2019, 5:52 PM

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Just, highly unlikely

limpid meadow Jul 15, 2019, 5:52 PM

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True, but that would give an additional reason as to why Johnson needs the cover given the Scarab's armament

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He's not proficient Scarab driver

stable schooner Jul 15, 2019, 5:54 PM

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This^ I Think 3 Marine Sergeants can guide the Scarab to the door. Take note he misses his first shots against the Wraiths.

stoic hamlet Jul 15, 2019, 5:54 PM

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I definitely think there was more than just those 3.

Chips also survived

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So that’s 4

limpid meadow Jul 15, 2019, 5:54 PM

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I wouldn't use Chips as evidence of anytihng

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Technically he survived Installation 04 as well.

stoic hamlet Jul 15, 2019, 5:54 PM

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So did Stacker

stable schooner Jul 15, 2019, 5:54 PM

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Chips wasn’t a specific named Marine. He has no name in Halo 1 or 2.

limpid meadow Jul 15, 2019, 5:54 PM

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And he's also somehow in the NMPD on Earth at the same time

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Chips and Stackers are mostly joke characters, so I wouldn't use them as evidence of anything.

stoic hamlet Jul 15, 2019, 5:55 PM

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Yet he’s being used as one of the 3 survivors on Delta

stable schooner Jul 15, 2019, 5:55 PM

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That’s literally just another Australian Marine for all intents and purposes. Stacker is different from Chips though.

limpid meadow Jul 15, 2019, 5:56 PM

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Personally I like to think Mommas Dubbo and Stacker each had octuplets, explaining all the Chips and Stackers running around

gilded mason Jul 15, 2019, 5:56 PM

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Like Nurse Joy and Officer Jenny

limpid meadow Jul 15, 2019, 5:56 PM

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Yeah

stable schooner Jul 15, 2019, 5:56 PM

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He’s Named, appears in Cutscenes. Has special stats, just take the Halo 1 appearance as NonCanon since Halo the Flood Confirmed other Sergeants took his place.

modest marsh Jul 15, 2019, 5:56 PM

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They’re the Carmine’s of halo

carmine sleet Jul 15, 2019, 5:57 PM

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Every platoon of marines has a Stacker and Dubbo which wears a slightly different uniform to their brothers

limpid meadow Jul 15, 2019, 5:57 PM

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@stable schooner There are Chips and Stackers in the NMPD and the UNSC Army. They're joke characters

stable schooner Jul 15, 2019, 5:57 PM

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Chips can literally appear as multiple Marines at the same time. That Cop is a different character I consider it the same person.

obsidian thistle Jul 15, 2019, 5:57 PM

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There is Thomas Chang

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Who was a I04 survivor.

stable schooner Jul 15, 2019, 5:58 PM

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Banks And Stacker are Real Characters, Chips was not at the time.

vivid dust Jul 15, 2019, 5:58 PM

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who that

limpid meadow Jul 15, 2019, 5:59 PM

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He's from "Believe"

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There's no way he can actually be an I04 survivor though. That would make literally no sense

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Or take a massive retcon

obsidian thistle Jul 15, 2019, 5:59 PM

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Well there might be another group of surviors somehow

limpid meadow Jul 15, 2019, 6:00 PM

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Which wouldn't make sense without massive retcons

gilded mason Jul 15, 2019, 6:00 PM

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The other side of the island

limpid meadow Jul 15, 2019, 6:00 PM

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Any other group of survivors runs into the issue of "how did they get back to Earth?"

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Which is NOT an easy question.

gilded mason Jul 15, 2019, 6:01 PM

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||Neural physics.||

stable schooner Jul 15, 2019, 6:01 PM

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@stoic hamlet Anyways though definitely more then the handful that survived Delta Halo.

versed helm Jul 15, 2019, 6:01 PM

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Darn it Ostral

gilded mason Jul 15, 2019, 6:01 PM

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lol

versed helm Jul 15, 2019, 6:01 PM

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Ay Toa

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You're a lore bigshot - the lore bigshot, one might say.

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Except for you CIA

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Don't even

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But what do you reckon the odds are that UNSC ships utilize some form of gravitic manoeuvring tech, at least when it comes to deceleration?

stoic hamlet Jul 15, 2019, 6:02 PM

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Heh

versed helm Jul 15, 2019, 6:03 PM

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There's not a lot of obvious reverse thrusters on UNSC ships, I've noticed.

stoic hamlet Jul 15, 2019, 6:03 PM

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Glad I popped back in for that

versed helm Jul 15, 2019, 6:03 PM

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We have what we know about grav tech from Warfleet

limpid meadow Jul 15, 2019, 6:03 PM

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As I recall, the books do mention deceleration thrusters, do they not?

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I might be wrong there, but I could swear I remember that

versed helm Jul 15, 2019, 6:04 PM

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Well I've been rounding up a few sources - most recently re-read the Cole story from Evolutions.

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I do need to take a specific delve into TFoR, but they tend to be very coy about it

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Besides, Nylund's idea of space battles are huge arcs - jousting around the orbit of planets and such.

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Not a lot of slowing down anyway.

limpid meadow Jul 15, 2019, 6:05 PM

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“Cut main engines and fire maneuvering thrusters. Rotate and track so that we’re pointing at that thing."

versed helm Jul 15, 2019, 6:05 PM

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That was fast.

gilded mason Jul 15, 2019, 6:05 PM

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Nice

limpid meadow Jul 15, 2019, 6:06 PM

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I have all the Halo books on Kindle. Just searched "decelerate", and then that turned up nothing, "thruster"

versed helm Jul 15, 2019, 6:06 PM

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Good strategy, actually

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I guess their manoeuvring thrusters are hidden in the sorta geometric lines that criss-cross their hulls, between the plates?

limpid meadow Jul 15, 2019, 6:06 PM

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I've found it to be VERY hand for research

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Most likely.

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So far I have specific mentions of port and starboard thrusters

versed helm Jul 15, 2019, 6:08 PM

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Well that's in no uncertain terms.

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This the Iroquis or the Autumn?

limpid meadow Jul 15, 2019, 6:08 PM

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The Commonwealth

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And these seem to be distinct from the emergency thrusters we see the Iroquis use later on

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And just found a mention of ventral emergency thrusters on the Autumn

humble yacht Jul 15, 2019, 6:10 PM

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Captain Del Rio calls for the Infinity to fire reverse thrust on engines when falling into Requiem

limpid meadow Jul 15, 2019, 6:10 PM

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^^^

versed helm Jul 15, 2019, 6:10 PM

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So long story short, UNSC ships have loads of thrusters, but they're all really well hidden. But then again, Nylund also talks about grav-sustaining carousels on ships which we now know post-Warfleet cannot have them.

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Unless all the references to carousels in relation to the Autumn are gone in the new editions.

limpid meadow Jul 15, 2019, 6:11 PM

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So far we have maneuvering thrusters, emergency thrusters, and docking thrusters

stoic hamlet Jul 15, 2019, 6:11 PM

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Well it seems a lot of the space stuff has been retconned, unfortunately

humble yacht Jul 15, 2019, 6:12 PM

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These alternate thrusters just aren't realistically represented in the visual media

stoic hamlet Jul 15, 2019, 6:12 PM

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Like how UNSC ships have areas of zero-G and full gravity, mentioned in Ghosts of Onyx.

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And TFoR IIRC

limpid meadow Jul 15, 2019, 6:13 PM

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Especially in TFoR

humble yacht Jul 15, 2019, 6:14 PM

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there's also the question about how UNSC ships hover while in atmosphere

versed helm Jul 15, 2019, 6:14 PM

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Oh, Warfleet totally addressed that.

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On page 15. I missed it completely.

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Comprehensive grav-control systems can nullify the gravitational pull on a ship's hull.

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Obviously dependant on tech-level and total mass, considering the Autumn's need for lift assist.

limpid meadow Jul 15, 2019, 6:15 PM

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Yep

versed helm Jul 15, 2019, 6:15 PM

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If y'ask me

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S'all about buffer fields man

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It's the inertial compensators doing it

limpid meadow Jul 15, 2019, 6:16 PM

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And technology obviously made massive leaps post-war, what with Infinity being able to operate in-atmosphere

versed helm Jul 15, 2019, 6:16 PM

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So I guess the question of thrust all depends on how much you want to believe in Nylund's vision of Halo space combat, right?

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The question's semi-open if you ignore his contributions, and answered if you don't.

stoic hamlet Jul 15, 2019, 6:17 PM

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I want to believe

versed helm Jul 15, 2019, 6:18 PM

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Like, reverse-thrust may also mean thrust in the reverse direction - like, flip the ship around using whatever manoeuvre mechanism we have and burn.

limpid meadow Jul 15, 2019, 6:18 PM

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Thrusters are mentioned throughout different books. I just found several mentions in Cole Protocol.

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So definitely can't outright ignore them

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Plus there's the mention in Halo 4

humble yacht Jul 15, 2019, 6:19 PM

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well if you order engines to fire reverse thrust, that suggests actually reversing of direction of main propulsion systems, as opposed to activating a different series of thrusters