Well in all fairness they didn’t know Earth was humanity’s home planet. It was a stroke of bad luck
#lore-and-universe
inner basin
stable schooner
For not knowing about Earth he did pretty good
inner basin
But then died anyways, so what good was it for
stoic hamlet
Would you say he was......a brick? 😛
stable schooner
He led the Covenant to Delta Halo
stable schooner
Covenant won the battle against the UNSC though
stoic hamlet
And a few other ships but they got shot off course
Two destroyers and another frigate I believe
stable schooner
Schism was on its way. Regrets death was a matter of time.
inner basin
There was 2 that made it to the ring, the other two dropped out elsewhere somehow I believe, Eternal
stoic hamlet
Yeah
stable schooner
As soon as Truth attacked Regrets forces on Earth Schism was inevitable.
stoic hamlet
Man, imagine if the ship that had smuggled the NOVA hadn’t slipped to link up with Xytan and instead stayed at Delta Halo
inner basin
That was an interesting addition to the lore that another ship made it to 05, and now thinking about it, that ship could’ve assisted the surviving UNSC after they allied with the Elites
inner basin
The other ship at 05?
stoic hamlet
The prowler
versed helm
So question guys, before i go to outpost what do i really need to know for the event? Just the main games?
stable schooner
So did the Elite in Ghost Of Onyx know about Arbiters decision?
versed helm
Or should i keep diving into the lore.
stoic hamlet
Yes @stable schooner IIRC
Arbiter was relatively small fry at the time though. Most pledged to Xytan
@versed helm you should be fine with the main games
More EU knowledge would help but I don’t think it’s necessary
stable schooner
But does his fleet go to earth if it’s not destroyed at Onyx?
stoic hamlet
Xytan s?
stable schooner
Yeah
stoic hamlet
Yeah. After he killed the prophets and brutes he’d have finished off humanity
And everyone with him was all for it.
stable schooner
Depends if they encounter the flood though
stoic hamlet
They already knew about it
versed helm
I'll probably stop at halo 4 then with EU knowledge
stable schooner
Or what if their fleet arrives to engage Truth at Earth.
stoic hamlet
Most of the ships called had been fighting over High Charity
A few had to repel boarders, brute and flood alike
IIRC
They could have taken truth
They would have rolled over everyone
inner basin
Personally I’m glad that they were mostly dealt with. They were a big threat to us. We also do know they were threatening humanity due to how they attacked the Gammas and other Spartans at Onyx.
stable schooner
I think Arbiter and Rtas though with Cortana’s message could get him to agree to at least a temporary truce.
stoic hamlet
More than enough to take out Truth and the Arbiter’s fleet, and then the UNSC.
inner basin
They wouldn’t listen to the Arbiter or Rtas, they are more powerful
stable schooner
Arbiter to present his case in person would make a difference and possibly cause a civil war among his fleet.
gilded mason
Oh, Canadian, know where it was talked about that Xytan knew of the Arbiter's alliance? Trying to find it, but not having much luck.
stoic hamlet
Xytan was described as a god, his fleet worshipped him.
inner basin
Shame they weren’t allies though
Having a fleet like that allying with us would of been very helpful
stoic hamlet
I don’t believe he did.
He knew of the flood and the schism and where truth was going IIRC, but not about the Arbiter. @gilded mason
stable schooner
Arbiter was highly respected. Literally even Zealots follow his lead Some would side with him
stoic hamlet
Xytan has the much better record
And more political influence
He was exiled because he might have kicked off a civil war himself, IIRC. The Prophets literally couldn’t kill him to silence him.
inner basin
Guess they couldn’t make him an Arbiter then. That’s how they usually solve that problem.
stoic hamlet
He hadn’t committed any treason or heresy.
inner basin
That’s fair. Surprised they didn’t find something though
stable schooner
You know I remember someone bringing this up Halo 2 Classic never calls the position of Arbiter as a shameful
One
inner basin
Except that one H2 cutscene where Rtas tells Thel about it
stable schooner
That’s the Mark
stoic hamlet
He seems to be like a Julius Caesar kind of type. Xytan I mean.
Malicious compliance but with enough sway to really mess up the political sphere if left unchecked.
stable schooner
He brings up the mark and mentions his role as Arbiter but still treats him with respect as do all Non Brute Covenant in Halo 2.
inner basin
That’s the parallels from our universe and history playing into the Halo EU
stoic hamlet
Mhm
versed helm
Hello
gilded mason
Did you have a question?
stoic hamlet
Hey there!
versed helm
I do not just come to say hello
stable schooner
Honestly I hate Xytan he’s a Plot device to screw over the Elites
versed helm
but can you tell me a bit about halo tmcc
inner basin
It’s ready when it’s ready
gilded mason
You'd have better luck in a different channel. Like #471742309994594326 or something
versed helm
thanks
stoic hamlet
How is he a plot device? @stable schooner
Well, actually no, he is
But not to screw over the elites.
He was a plot device for that beautiful thing called NOVA :p
gilded mason
God, I hate the NOVA bomb. 😋
stoic hamlet
HERESY!
stable schooner
The 1 new Supreme Elite that controls most of the Sangheili forces hates humanity.
And gets destroyed
gilded mason
most of the Sangheili forces
Certainly not
stoic hamlet
Like every elite hated humanity
gilded mason
Like every elite hated humanity
Eh
stable schooner
Not true
inner basin
You hate the Nova bomb because of how many Elites have died at the hands of it?
stoic hamlet
Okay generalizations
gilded mason
It was talked about how there was growing movements that were warming up to them
stable schooner
This^
stoic hamlet
But like......what’d you expect tbh?
gilded mason
You hate the Nova bomb because of how many Elites have died at the hands of it?
Yes. 😉
stoic hamlet
Why would they try and sue for peace? They had all the cards pretty much
stable schooner
How many times do we see a Covenant bomb wipe out 300 UNSC Ships. So did Rtas
stoic hamlet
No reason not to finish killing the false reclaimers. Remember all they knew was that the prophets had betrayed them, not why they had betrayed them.
as far as they knew the Great Journey was still a thing
stable schooner
So then why wouldn’t he listen to the Arbiter
stable schooner
You said he did when I asked Breh
gilded mason
Yes
stable schooner
Yes then you said no to Ostral
stoic hamlet
Let me go back and check. I might have been talking about the flood and misread.
Let me check
Oh
I misread that
My bad.
I assumed you meant did he know the Arbiter had turned against the prophets
Not did he know about the alliance
IIRC it hadn’t been formed by the time he died.
stable schooner
If other Zealots And Councilors sided with Arbiter when they learned about the truth I don’t see why Xyten with persuasion couldn’t.
stable schooner
I’d sacrifice Blue Team for a fleet of 300 Elite Ships. Fair enough
stoic hamlet
He has all the cards, more ships, men, etc
stable schooner
I mean so did Rtas basically
stoic hamlet
Rtas doesn’t have the sway Arbiter and Xytan does
gilded mason
Though that was a very special circumstance
gilded mason
Rtas doesn’t have the sway Arbiter and Xytan does
Have you listened to that voice? Hubba hubba
stoic hamlet
Rtas has what? A couple dozen ships, maybe a hundred? Most battle damaged and with depleted crews.
Xytan has a few hundred of those, plus his own fleet and any other ships he could call.
stable schooner
At Earth he only had 9
stable schooner
Its said he went to Earth with all the Ships “Under his Command”
9 Ships went through that portal, actually 8 I think.
stoic hamlet
Did he? Doesn’t he say beforehand one ship broke the quarantine and so he took that echelon to pursue?
Unless he was referring to those directly under him and not another Sangheili?
stable schooner
Those directly under him
stoic hamlet
Yeah so there were more
Just they remained at delta halo
How many more I don’t know
stable schooner
Not under his command though
stoic hamlet
Yeah
stable schooner
Other Separatist forces. Rtas couldn’t even get a Zealot
stoic hamlet
It’s possible if Xytan did make his way to Delta Halo other separatists would shed sided with him there instead of the Arbiter.
It’s that or face 300 ships
Not very good odds
inner basin
Unless you have a Nova bomb lol
gilded mason
200 ships, ya mean
stoic hamlet
I need to reread Ghosts
stable schooner
I mean he didn’t learn the truth until the end of Great Journey though. I doubt Xyten would not believe a Oracle
stoic hamlet
I’m forgetting/inflating numbers.
stable schooner
I take that back I love Tartarus
stoic hamlet
Maccabus best brute
inner basin
Hekabe best Brute lmao
stable schooner
How many Rings did those Brutes activate? Yeah that’s what I thought
gilded mason
Castor seemed nice from what I remember from Last light
stable schooner
I stoped being pedantic in 2012 so get those numb Brutes outta here
stoic hamlet
Yeah, Tartarus has them beat
gilded mason
If only Tartarus took up Thel's offer. Alas.
stable schooner
Tartarus should have been a ArbitBro
Defeat Tartarus Arbiter Spares him
Tartarus tried to spread the Truth to Brutes in Halo 3.
inner basin
It would of prevented the fighting between Elites and Brutes even post war
stable schooner
Tartarus has aged like fine wine for me I like him more every time I play Halo 2.
inner basin
Shame Tartarus wasn’t like Atriox, who accepts Elites and even some of the most deadliest, such as having at least one Silent Shadow team
stable schooner
Especially when Halo 3 despite being against all Brute foes had no Brute Characters
gilded mason
Eh...Atriox is still a horrible, horrible, person.
inner basin
Person? Wort, I mean wot?
gilded mason
Person, brute, y'know
stable schooner
Screw the Jackals, Grunts and Drones. Just give me a Human, Elite, Brute And Hunter Alliance.
gilded mason
wude
inner basin
That’s op. Poor grunts
gilded mason
Jackals, grunts, and drones have feelings too ya know
stable schooner
They ate my kids I can’t relate
inner basin
I sympathise more for the Grunts as Jackals and Drones probably don’t care
gilded mason
Eh, I prefer not to generalize species.
stable schooner
Grunts are too simple minded they side with whoever
inner basin
Grunts are actually very intellectual, just very easy to kill hence why they’re like that
stable schooner
I only Respect Spec Op Grunts for their loyalty to the Elites.
gilded mason
Grunts are too simple minded they side with whoever
Generalizin' again. 😋
stable schooner
I see more Elites that like Humans then Grunts
inner basin
Well generalising sometimes makes discussions easier
stable schooner
Gravemind for example 1 mission has Grunts on both sides. Unacceptable! Only those Spec Op Grunts be loyal.
Only they deserve Needlers
I would like to see Friendly Brutes one day. I mean real whole Planets worth of Allied Brutes.
gilded mason
I would like to see Friendly Brutes one day.
Same
inner basin
Play as the Banished in HW2 😜
gilded mason
Oh you
stable schooner
Time for Fat Jackals
gilded mason
That'd be a sight to see
inner basin
When I was younger I always thought that Jackals and Drones were related lol
gilded mason
I can't believe you Dared to believe that.
...
inner basin
She isn’t even an ODST either lol
inner basin
“Don’t know, I wasn’t looking at her gear” 🤪
stable schooner
Man as a kid I hated Romeo. “ hey I’m just saying it’s not me down there”
Lucky for me a Chieftain was ready to pay him back some Karma on a Axe
inner basin
Yeah that line sorta bugs me, but Buck portrays it perfectly, “Ohhh you’re a piece of work Romeo”.
stable schooner
He even complains about the stairs and talks smack about the Navy
inner basin
His character is always sarcastic though, so I guess it’s not all bad
stable schooner
Nah he’s a trash panda who can’t even 360 no scope a point blank Chieftain
Also like Reach for being named ODST their sure wasn’t a lot of ODSTS in ODST
inner basin
Well there was.... in one cutscene.... where half of them ended up god knows where
stable schooner
You don’t even see their bodies
inner basin
My guess is they landed and left the city. Maybe some of them grouped up and met at a UNSC facility outside of the city?
We really have nothing to go off but the game itself
carmine sleet
Just because the game is named ODST doesn't mean there needs to be hundreds of ODSTs seen within the game
It was focused on a small team of ODSTs, which allowed for them to tell a smaller story compared to what had been told in previous games
stable schooner
@carmine sleet obviously But it’s true though. Seeing other squads could have been great. At least their was Cops for once
carmine sleet
There was no need to tag me
stable schooner
But this is where the fun begins. lol sorry habit.
versed helm
I mean
Personally I'd like to see hundreds of ODSTs kicking butt
But what ODST achieved in terms of tone and raw fun factor wasn't something I'd trade away for that
jovial temple
I personally believe most of them died
Or was evacuated sooner than the rookie woke up
Cause it’s odd you don’t see more
If there were a few that survived the shockwave coming down. Then they woulda rallied up with the marines like alpha nine did
Until they find the rest of their squad or even team up with another squad which is not uncommon
But there’s no records of this yet
No other story in new mombasa that I know of except alpha-nine, Sadie’s story, and the master chief
It would be dope to see another squads perspective in new Mombasa. I hope an author writes about this
It didn’t seem like the unsc was trying to defend the city. Their main goal seemed to capture Regret
So it’s also possible that all remaining ODST’s except alpha nine ofc were called back to amber clad
carmine sleet
Most of the ODSTs in the drop were deployed from other ships, pretty sure that the In Amber Clad only deployed a few ODSTs and none of them were dropped in by drop pod
fair hazel
Spartan strike
vivid dust
carmine sleet
I think Alpha-Five is interesting as they were deployed before the rest of the ODSTs, which didn't save them from the slipspace rupture, sure, but meant they at least had their feet on the ground when Regret jumped
storm flume
What ever happened to the Flood infection form aboard the Spirit of Fire in Escalation?
Did it just never come up again?
feral perch
That was covered in the short story comic "Something Has Happened" included in Halo: Tales From Slipspace.
feral perch
You want spoilers or no?
storm flume
Nah thanks
feral perch
gotcha
storm flume
I'm reading the comics in order, just got to that part in Escalation, so Tales is next
After I finish Escalation of course
feral perch
Cool
inner basin
@carmine sleet Alpha-Five was/is presumed dead, not confirmed dead.
carmine sleet
You could say that about allot of the people caught in the rupture during Halo 2
gilded mason
Alpha-Nine (Nevermind!)
carmine sleet
The likelihood is, given what we saw in Spartan Strike, ODST and Halo 2, Alpha Five was killed, just like any of the ODSTs that were killed by the rupture
We're talking about a different squad, Ostral
gilded mason
Oh, huh
inner basin
They were mentioned in Spartan Strike.
gilded mason
Ah, that explains it
carmine sleet
Aye, if you've not played Spartan Strike, they're basically a team of ODSTs that were deployed before all the others to retrieve a datapad from an Elite, which then led them to an artefact that another Elite was carrying in the city
inner basin
I think it was called the conduit
carmine sleet
They died trying to outrun the slipspace rupture from Halo 2
inner basin
I honestly think we need some extra material covering the Battle of New Mombasa as we don’t know how many ODSTs lived/died during and after the event. I would also say there is a somewhat likelihood that Alpha-Five survived because we see several Marine personnel everywhere in the city during ODST (the game). We’d also need coverage of how many UNSC personnel survived the Battle of Installation-05
carmine sleet
Those marines were outside the radius of the rupture, meaning they weren't affected by it. The drop zones for the majority of the ODSTs that were dropped in were killed by the rupture because their drop zone was within that radius. The only reason Alpha Nine survived was thanks to Dare changing their drop zone to an area of the city that wasn't within the radius
inner basin
Do we know for certain if those other ODSTs died though? If they recognised they were losing power they could’ve stabilised their pods and deployed the chutes early to prevent free failing. Also Buck was still in the radius which is why he came down in a rough manner.
carmine sleet
Being outside the radius of the rupture doesn't mean it wouldn't have an effect on you, which is where Buck was. Think it like detonating a nuclear weapon, within a certain radius, it would kill you, further out from the centre, it would hurt you
inner basin
Well how come Buck was the only one to land as bad, compared to the rest of his team, with tossing and turning? It doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me. That’s besides my point, I’m saying that the other ODSTs, would’ve had a higher likelihood of surviving had they stabilised and popped their chutes as they were losing power in their pods. That means a lot more could’ve survived which we can’t say for certain how many did due/survive. Again for Alpha-Five they could’ve survived, but we cannot say for sure. They are presumed dead but we honestly can’t say for sure as 343 haven’t confirmed it. Remember the Noble Six debate, until it was confirmed, (although I make my personal canon to retcon that which deviates slightly from actual canon).
carmine sleet
Well, Mickey and Rookie collided mid-air and Dare's pod wouldn't open on landing at first, Dutch's is the only one that seemed to have a somewhat-normal landing, but even then, thanks to the rupture, it was knocked off course. Romeo's the only one we don't have any idea of how his landing went
inner basin
Well Dare’s pod supposedly “didn’t open” as for Mickey, we didn’t see how bad his landed, and could be fine, Dutch’s landed fine like you said and considering how fast Romeo got to Dare as well as getting up high on a building his likely landed fine too
I say supposedly didn’t open because she dropped off the grid
chrome copper
Um....
If Johnson went away on the frigate with chief in Halo 2
How did he end up with Alpha nine?
carmine sleet
He took a ship back after the events of Halo 2
gilded mason
That takes place after Johnson returns
gilded mason
Thel and Rtas give them a ride, I assume
craggy fable
Fortnite
main rivet
For some reason the key ship took its sweet time getting to Earth allowing Johnson and Arby to lap Chief.
humble yacht
It’s not that the key ship took its sweet time getting to earth. Chief just took his time getting from the ship to earth
inner basin
I’d assume Chief delayed the keyship as much as possible too
plush adder
kind of hard to get out of a forerunner ship I assume
versed helm
Kind of hard to focus on piloting a Forerunner ship when an extremely mean, green shadow is massacring you
Man, remember how awesome that bit was when he got captured at that Chieftain asked him about the Key of Osanalan and Chief just rolls with it despite not having a clue
And then he delivers probably one of his most badass oneliners and sticks him
And then there's that close-up panel on his helmet
You guys think he was grinning sadistically beneath his visor?
I think he was sadistically grinning it up
Full retro-Doomguy grinning
inner basin
I betcha he was grinning, just like he stuck it
feral oyster
wait, chief has a face?
inner basin
Well yeah, he’s not a big robot in a near indestructible suit of armour ;P
feral oyster
man this lore is so deep
jade axle
frank o connor is the man under the helmet
jade axle
thats an alternate timeline version of chief to throw us off the truth
#HuntTheREALTruth
inner basin
I’d rather not tbh. We’ve been through Hunt the Truth once, no need for a second time
jade axle
you say that like it'd be the same exact thing
inner basin
Well I say it because it’s a silly joke
storm flume
Do we know if there's a reason we have a Kappa Halo instead of Eta?
I really gotta read the Forerunner saga, I notice a lot of my questions seem to have answers there
unique rune
I’ve also found it odd that the designations skip from Zeta to Kappa.
Going from the sixth letter to the tenth for... reasons.
storm flume
Maybe for memes
unique rune
If the designations had been switched around, with 07 being Kappa, I think it’d make a little more sense. That way it’d kinda be a way to distance 07 from the rest of the Neoteric Array since it was previously part of the Senescent Array.
agile lotus
Realistically, how far could Chief have gotten without Cortana?
storm flume
Depends, would she still be active for the UNSC, handled by someone else, or would she be inactive?
modest marsh
If the pillar of autumn had no Cortana, the entire ship would’ve been gone
storm flume
Or yeah, that. If she hadn't existed at all, RED FLAG probably would not have been on the table in the first place, thus the Autumn would never be refitted. And if it were, and it somehow miraculously survived battle in Epsilon Eridani, Alpha Halo would not have been found, at least not as soon as it was.
modest marsh
Alright but
Within the game anyway
Cortana is necessary for the early coordination of groundside UNSC forces
Following that, she assists more directly aboard the Truth and Reconciliation by hacking doors and guiding Chief along the ship
From there they look for the cartographer, which is also requires Cortana’s help
agile lotus
Not to mention her stopping Chief from following Guilty Spark’s orders.
storm flume
Well it's impossible to speculate without first asking, if she's not with Chief, where is she?
With Keyes?
gilded mason
Not to mention her stopping Chief from following Guilty Spark’s orders.
And John wouldn't know to go to the swamp if Cortana didn't tell him to.
storm flume
Maybe she could've landed the ship in a far superior position
modest marsh
Accessing Halo’s control room is impossible without Cortana as well
inner basin
Let’s not forget that Cortana can access the Covenant Battlenet which allows for easy intelligence gathering.
modest marsh
Well none of that intelligence was necessarily crucial from the player’s perspective
THIS CAVE IS NOT A NATURAL FORMATION
storm flume
Hmm... On an artificial world, with an artificial shape... I dunno...
modest marsh
Most of what she’s there for is to direct the evacuation of the surviving marines, which is optional
inner basin
Well that information wasn’t from the Covenant Battlenet. Also the Battlenet does help as after rescuing Keyes, she accesses it which allows them to get a better understanding of Halo, well at least the understanding that their opponent, the Covenant has.
modest marsh
Specifically on the level Halo, she isn’t necessary
I already said she’s needed for TaR
inner basin
Guess I missed that, mb
versed helm
Y'know
Has it occurred to anyone that instead of pointing out that the cave was in fact not a natural formation
She was actually pointing out its significance
Humans do that all the time
obsidian thistle
Oh please. They were on a giant hula hoop in space ;)
versed helm
Like, y'know, if a situation develops in an unexpected but obvious way, I'll often find myself going "Well this is the case..."
obsidian thistle
Thats why its so funny
versed helm
Thereby highlighting the implications, which I may or may not go on to state.
And I think it's also a fairly reasonable assumption prior to seeing that cave that the topography of the ring may be naturally generated - or rather, the product of simulated natural processes.
So y'know
It's not that funny.
Though the meme video is.
severe bone
Best line of dialogue by cortana
halcyon remnant
Do you guys have high hopes lore wise for Halo infinite
somber tide
no
vague scroll
Well that’s a heavily handed opinion, and I’m not sure that has to do with lore. @halcyon remnant it should be fine, lore has been pretty consistent from 343i in terms of narrative expansion. The stories told by games haven’t been consistent but the lore itself has been about the same.
vague scroll
That’s something a lot of fans agree on. Same. Doubt it will ever quite be like that again but I’m sure Infinite wouldn’t destroy most people’s appreciation for lore even if a lot of us disagree on what is good or bad about it.
halcyon remnant
@vague scroll in the old Halo games Everytime a forerunner structure showed up everyone wanted to explore it
Now it's like
Meh
vague scroll
that seems to depend more on the plot requirements. The Forerunner structures these days are very similar for the most part - there was some degree of mystery to them in the past. Halo 4’s Forerunner environments are actually pretty cool, I think Halo 5’s Genesis was just a bit too overwhelming. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
halcyon remnant
Look at Epitaph on Halo 3
That map does things to me
@vague scroll I loved the desgins better as well https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.halopedia.org%2Fimages%2F6%2F65%2FEpitaph_symbol.png&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.halowaypoint.com%2Fen-us%2Fforums%2Fdb05ce78845f4120b062c50816008e5d%2Ftopics%2Ffavorite-forerunner-designs%2F655827ec-f56e-4fd2-8796-ff9cb153e9dc%2Fposts&tbnid=KtH-bsIUIMA3aM&vet=1&docid=tpqTLNaxJ9HV1M&w=840&h=1080&hl=en-US&gl=us&source=sh%2Fx%2Fim
vague scroll
You don’t need to ping me for every message.
vague scroll
Yeah, that’s a commonly held opinion.
stoic hamlet
Well, think of it like how different civilizations have different architectural styles.
Does a Western European village fit with an East Asian? Does Rome fit with Shanghai?
It’s a similar sort of thing. @halcyon remnant
halcyon remnant
Weren't they focused on unity tho
stoic hamlet
Forerunners belonged to different rates, builders, warrior servants, life workers, etc
The OG designs are Builder
The new designs are Warrior Servant
gilded mason
Wasn't Genesis a builder world?
stoic hamlet
I’m not sure
gilded mason
Yes
stoic hamlet
I don’t know off the top of my head
gilded mason
Exuberant Witness talks about it
And the Ark in HW2 used that type of design as well for some reason.
unique rune
Yeah, Genesis is Builder.
halcyon remnant
I'm so confused :o
unique rune
I'm not really a fan of the newer Builder stuff. Too pointy and fragmented looking at times.
halcyon remnant
Guys wait
unique rune
I was fine with the Forerunner styling in 4, but 5G/W2 are... ehhh.
gilded mason
So the rate design thing doesn't really hold water as an excuse, in the stead of "We just wanted to use this design instead"
halcyon remnant
Before 343 you're telling me that everything we found was from one particular builder
?
unique rune
no
stoic hamlet
No, just their style
unique rune
It was all by a particular rate/caste of Forerunners called the Builders.
halcyon remnant
Oh
unique rune
They were the ones responsible for the Halo Array.
unique rune
Technically, yes.
stoic hamlet
Each Rate, yes
halcyon remnant
How do they deviate so much tho
gilded mason
I mean, in-game, doesn't hold water considering Genesis and HW2.
gilded mason
Builders
halcyon remnant
What about the requiem ones
gilded mason
And the head guy, the Master Builder, is called Faber-of-Will-and-Might.
What about the requiem ones
Warrior-Servants. Headed by the Didact, Shadow-of-Sundered-Star.
halcyon remnant
Didact is a title correct?
gilded mason
Yes
vague scroll
You're also missing the matter that the Forerunner-Flood War took place over hundreds of years, as did the Human-Forerunner War. The Halo Array is from the Forerunner-Flood War, things like Genesis and Requiem predate the war with the Flood. Styles and practices, culture, changes.
vague scroll
no, that's not what I mean.
I'm saying their styles change with time. There doesn't need to be a reason for why the styles changed - they just do because over time, people like looking at different stuff.
you can see that if you compare Roman architecture to Victorian English architecture or any other combination.
They're stylistically different.
It doesn't always have to do with what war they're fighting.
halcyon remnant
Hm
remote spruce
i swear parts of Genesis vaguely resemble the Halo CE structures more than Halo 4
could just be faulty memory
gilded mason
Not that I can recall, myself.
remote spruce
Jeremy Cook gave some odd reasons as for the Forerunner stuff in HW2
gilded mason
lol
vague scroll
honestly, we really don't need a reason for why Forerunner architecture changes or why it looks the way it does. Cultures change all the time.
remote spruce
it's considered a "renewed ark"
gilded mason
lol
halcyon remnant
Halo Wars 2 confused me so much
remote spruce
how so
halcyon remnant
Didn't the ark exploded
halcyon remnant
Oh
gilded mason
Cortana even says so at the end of Halo 3
remote spruce
"It did a number on the Ark"
gilded mason
Talking about the blast, she said it "did a number on the Ark."
halcyon remnant
Oh
remote spruce
And before you ask, High Charity survived because the backup engines blew up
halcyon remnant
High charity crashed on h3
gilded mason
Yes.
halcyon remnant
Plus it was flood galore
mental nimbus
I recall a bungie weekly update from years ago once said the ark was "obliterated" at the end of halo 3, but it's been ages since that last came up in conversation
fair hazel
talking about forerunner architectureÉ
the forerunner arent a monominded species
Just check out human architecture
carmine sleet
I was about to say it's like humanity and our architecture
humble yacht
As far as bungie was concerned, they probably did intend for the Ark to be completely destroyed
but since it wasn't explicitly shown, 343 saw an opportunity to keep it around
obsidian thistle
Spark and Cortana had conflicting stories with it.
That was the key factors.
Plus 343i and writers in general love them their "did you see a body, if not they may still be alive" stick.
carmine sleet
Mendicant Bias is a major character in the whole Forerunner Trilogy of novels
inner basin
There is another bias that comes into play later too if you like Mendicant Bias
proper aspen
does anyone have a link to all of the books, graphic novels, and comics in chronological order?
inner basin
proper aspen
thank you but is that the halo universe chronological order?
unique rune
inner basin
It is the chronological order, Duckling
proper aspen
thank you
obsidian thistle
I "should" update that thread... should I....
inner basin
You should add live action trailers in there as some of them are canon, and some are important like Landfall and Give Hope (the Halo: Reach one with Thom-A293 R.I.P).
obsidian thistle
Note thats in the second half
obsidian thistle
Some folks are gonna get a laugh outta this.
You know the Encyclopedia. Well I just discovered it legit copied off the "Halo Fanon" wiki. XD Like no joke you know the "M868 Tropic Warthog", "M862 Arctic Warthog", and the "M914 Recovery Vehicle". Those names were only on Halo Fanon prior to the Encyclopedia. XD
carmine sleet
That's quite funny
Guessing someone used the wrong wiki when writing that part of the encyclopedia
versed helm
master chief is actually gordon ramsay in his 60's
that's why some call him the MASTER CHEF
inner basin
Wait, they go through a procedure used to diagnose and treat cardiovascular conditions?
fair hazel
Let’s not get weird or spread false stuff @versed helm
versed helm
what ever you say boo
last anchor
Well I mean dont tell me MJLONIR doesnt aid in recoil dampening and compensation. There is no way a Spartan with that much raw strength on hand is going to let the kick of a rifle effect them
fair hazel
Yboo*
versed helm
Why did i just now find out that Rookie died in a book?!?!?!
gilded mason
lol
carmine sleet
I mean, the Rookie didn't exactly have much of a character to begin with so they were a prime candidate to be killed off
storm flume
I don't know, why did you just now find out that Rookie died in a book?
rustic canyon
that book is both good anndbad... certain things that happen are umm questionable but they try to make up for it in the second book
versed helm
Yeah, i hear that same opinion on it a lot
unique rune
I thought New Blood was fine.
Nothing about it came off as particularly "questionable".
rustic canyon
rookie being killed, mickey turning traitor
carmine sleet
It's also from Buck's perspective too so you don't get to see all sides of the story
obsidian thistle
Mickey was a long time coming if you knew his backstory.
Like his Backstory from the Bungie days
unique rune
Rookie's death, while unfortunate, made sense. He's not much of a character. As far as Bungie Halo characters go, he is the silent protag of silent protags.
So instead of trying to develop... nothing, they use him as something to further Buck and the other members of Alpha-Nine.
storm flume
Yeah I figured. It looked like Wardens below
But I was confused at the hopping figure
Is it supposed to be Cortana?
gilded mason
Yeah.
storm flume
Scrapped concept for her Created appearance I suppose
Shame, it'd make her easy to distinguish from the old Cortana
Very "evil twin" vibe
fair hazel
very interesting image, pretty sure all of that content is original
inner basin
I think she looks evil. It’s definitely the smile that does it. However Cortana in Halo 5 is still distinguishable from the og Cortana though as she now has some sort of suit thing or whatever it was (as I can’t remember) on now
stoic hamlet
She’s decided to cover up.
That’s how we know she’s evil guys.
rustic canyon
well she was a hologram and now she has a physical body
unique rune
Not really...?
I mean, I guess she can manipulate hardlight now to give her body actual volume, but I wouldn't say it's necessarily any more physical than it previously was since she's still a digital being.
rustic canyon
I imagine if we want to stop her we are going o somehow have to confine her to a single form that won't allow her to access a computer system somehow. Since she could leave another fragment of herself.
last anchor
Oh, you mean like in that chip Chief has in the trailer?
inner basin
@stoic hamlet In my post I was saying how Cortana looks evil in the post by Whitepaw (the link) not Cortana in Halo 5. I was additionally saying that in Halo 5 she was distinguishable from the og Cortana by covering up. Just wanted to clear that misinterpretation up.
stoic hamlet
Oh I know. I was making a joke 😛
inner basin
Maybe not the best channel to do that lol
violet vine
Hello!
Does anyone have an essential visual guide? Need a screenshot of the page with a supercarrier.
"Powerful Supercarrier"
Give me it! Please!
violet vine
Nope:(
violet vine
I measure dic* with the Imperium.
gilded mason
40K?
violet vine
Yes.
gilded mason
Abandon all hope, ye who do VS stuff with 40K
violet vine
By all accounts, the Covenant will easily destroy the Imperium. I studied both sides for a long time. The high end of the Covenant - the killer ships of planets shooting from several dimensions and times.
I have repeatedly proved it on vsbattles.
gilded mason
Ah
violet vine
And they do it with pulsed lasers.
Prophets are superbeings outside of time and space located where the gods of chaos do not get them.
obsidian thistle
40K would wipe most Halo stuff. Sans the stuff that can wipe galaxys, and well Vacuum energy that can be used for numerous purposes. But then its not really ship combat
violet vine
So, even the wak of the Imperium itself is no match for the wak Covie.
N N
For example, hundreds of super carriers are more than twenty Glorians.
A covenant can make ships from the air. Lekgolo billions. The Covenant has billions of worlds in the wa * nk end.
Lekgolo quadrillion quadrillion. They can cover the planetary surface in a decade *
gilded mason
The Covenant has billions of worlds in the wa * nk end.What?
violet vine
They don't need oxygen. We need only minerals available on Earth. Not rare substances.
And they can control the mind of people.
carmine sleet
I don't think Lekgolo are used to devour planets, nor do they have mind control
violet vine
Each lekgolo is superior or not inferior to a space marines.
It was in one of the books. I can find a quote.
obsidian thistle
This deffo has gone beyond my knowledge. 
I aint versed in vs that well
violet vine
Oh yes. Lecgolo armed with rapid melta.
Further grants ... These small creatures are able to learn from birth in a few weeks.
carmine sleet
Rapid melta? What?
violet vine
They live for a hundred years and at the same time in 10 years can have offspring of 12 children at a time.
Fuel Rod cannon
It evaporates the Spartans.
Grants are invulnerable to chemical attack due to gas mask and a thick layer of chitin.
A life eater will make them laugh.
carmine sleet
There's a difference between evaporation and melting
violet vine
Next come the elite. They are able to dodge bullets and hide in the middle of an empty room. And no, the space marines' avto-feelings will not do much against their disguise.
evaporation*
The elites are too fast, also faster or faster than the eldar, who are not wa * k.
In the end, they will be even faster.
Next come the brutes. They have poor control over their body in comparison with the elites and have a lower reaction rate, but they are faster and stronger than the Spartans.
After go yanmee. Their numbers were so high that, even, megalekolo could not compare with them.
For them, there is no concept of fatigue and fear. They will fight if there is an order.
Next come the Kig-Yars. And although they are mostly weaker than people, they are much faster than Spartans and have much more developed feelings.
inner basin
Brutes are not faster or stronger than Spartans (at least in Mjolnir). My one true point of evidence is in the babysitter when Cal-141 holds a Brutes hammer up with one hand
gilded mason
Then again, that is Legends
stoic hamlet
Pretty sure they’re stronger but not faster
inner basin
I guess it’s dependent upon Brute
stoic hamlet
Mhm possibly
What’s this about someone bringing in 40K stuff and comparing them to Covenant?
violet vine
Then come the prelates of san shayym. These are not decrepit old men. They are able to beat the hands of hypersonic projectiles. Their armor is virtually indestructible for bolter fire. They can easily take any Spartan or elite.
stoic hamlet
That’s BS
gilded mason
They are able to beat the hands of hypersonic projectiles. Their armor is virtually indestructible for bolter fire.
What?
violet vine
Yes
stoic hamlet
Don’t spout unsourced stuff dude
inner basin
What he’s saying doesn’t make a whole lot of sense
gilded mason
Could you cite sources for some of this stuff?
inner basin
Halo Fandom lol (I’m joking)
stoic hamlet
If he sources that he loses credibility
violet vine
The most powerful ship 40K in an hour could not destroy the planet (planet killer).
violet vine
Even, blow off the continents to heaven.
carmine sleet
I'm still waiting for them to tell me when Hunter worms ate an entire planet because I do not recall that ever happening
violet vine
Savaven visited the Inquisitor.
stoic hamlet
Life Eater Virus, Cyclonic Torpoedos.....
Both of those could destroy a planet
In minutes
No they don’t
Glassing only hits the surface layer
The UNSC NOVA was arguably more destructive.
gilded mason
Yeah, I think you're confused on some things, legionbro.
violet vine
Only a two-stage cyclone torpedo from the novel is able to destabilize the core of the planet. Nucleation does not destroy the planet.
inner basin
The excavation of Voi took days, and Meridian’s glassing took long too
violet vine
It will not be able to overcome the force of gravitational communication, if the planet is not dwarf.
unique rune
I think I’m getting a headache from reading all of this
stoic hamlet
I’m not sure where you’re getting some of this info, 40K or otherwise
gilded mason
lol
inner basin
He needs to get his facts straight
violet vine
All the oceans of the paradise planet of Jericho 7 were destroyed in an hour using plasma bombardment without energy projectors.
unique rune
It’s not even the info being presented
it’s the broken English that gets me
gilded mason
That too, yeah.
violet vine
The Shadow of Intent which is one of many cas kept the supermak hit in the terraton.
inner basin
Should we just stop talking at this point and let him think he knows everything?
violet vine
"Glassing only hits the surface layer" nope
unique rune
Except it... does?
It’s super inefficient and time-consuming for a full, thorough glassing
violet vine
"John could not quite understand what he was seeing on the planet below. From what he had been told about the Covenant's method of orbital bombardment, the aliens could glass no more than a few square kilometres of ground at a time, but what he saw on Etalan was on a whole new level. It was as though the Covenant had punched through the planet's crust into it's mantle, creating a volcanic geyser that was going to burn away the last traces of humanity by flooding the entire world with molten stone. And if the aliens had that kind of power, if they were capable of cruelty of such a massive scale, Task Force Yama had to slow their invasion."
- Halo: Silent Storm, Chapter 20, page 201
inner basin
I wouldn’t bother trying, Emperor
violet vine
Their ships destroy the mantle.
vague scroll
So... if I remember this guy correctly, for context, he’s a Russian Halo fan that used to frequent that Halo Nation Discord before its shut down
His English isn’t the best so his responses come out a bit hard to understand
violet vine
This is not the full power of their ships.
unique rune
”It was as though”
Yeah, um, that’s not a literal intepretation of what glassing does.
It’s a comparison. Intended to illustrate the effects of glassing.
violet vine
vague scroll
“As/like” are aspects in the English language known as a “simile”. They are figurative. Not literal. @violet vine
violet vine
Unlike Cadia, this material withstood the fall of a planetoid with a minimum mass of about 100 trillion tons.
But...
fair hazel
dont bypass the word filter @violet vine
violet vine
"A Faint, tickling vibration climbed through the soles of Staffan’s boots. He didn’t dare take his eyes off the screens, but the back of his tongue started to itch, an irritation that made him want to scratch deep inside his ears. In the hull cam view, a pin-point of white-hot fringed with violet expanded into a swirling ball of energy in seconds.
The projection dimmed slightly. The deck shivered and the sensation in Staffan’s ears became so intense that he jammed his fingers into them to try to relieve it. Then all he could see for a painful second was blinding, blue-white light.
When he blinked again, he was looking down a long, harrow beam of fire apparently connected to the surface of Shaps 3, and a heartbeat later a white-hot ball spread like a bursting dam and turned red-hot in seconds. The beam vanished. The red area roiled like the surface of the sun, broken up by an undulating black mesh.
Molten rock. Smoke. Oh God.
One moment the horizon was low hills and cliffs with a cluster of ancient, gigantic, thoroughly alien ruins, and the next it was just pure white light, followed seconds later by what looked like an instant red ocean that lit the sky like a sunset behind dense black clouds. There was nothing left but heat and smoke. Even the geological features seemed to have vanished. The terrain was now almost completely flat."
of Hunt the Truth
MINE IN THE EXTRACTION OF SILICATES IN THE DEPTH OF WHICH ARE LANDLED PEOPLE REMAINS!
These must be rivers of lava. Whole continents turned into steam.
A "Covenant Glassing Weapon" is "Designed to Melt Continents" and can, evidently, fire at least three times in a single minute. Infinity, the UNSC's greatest flagship, was knocked out of commission in a single hit.
This is little station: https://www.halopedia.org/Ambush_at_Oth_Lodon
Now imagine what can do this: http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/146991/2845917-Halo_Capitalship_scale_2010.jpg
Smoke and Shadows (pg. 32):
Her focus was on a large outcropping of rocks about two hundred meters away. But the longer she ran, the farther away they seemed. Please don’t glass the moon, please don’t glass the moon.
A thread of panic started to unwind and she felt thrust back to a time when glassed planets were a horrifying reality. She had no idea who was attacking the Roman Blue or what capabilities they had, but she was praying like hell that the plasma beam was directed at a single target and not the entire moon.
Part of her wanted to break silence and call in Ace for immediate retrieval, but that was the anxious Rion talking, the scared Rion. The sane part of her knew the plasma beam would’ve been a hell of a lot more intense and encompassing if the intention was to glass Eiro. It wouldn’t make sense to use a concentrated beam on the Roman Blue and then proceed with complete lunar destruction
Destroy moon in one silvo.
CCS cruiser
“You are, all of you, vermin. Cowering in the dirt thinking what, I wonder? That you might escape the coming fire? No. Your world will burn until its surface is but glass!”
— Prophet of Truth
Covenant has billions of ships.
Perhaps they could produce billions every day.
...
or every second in wa*k end.
obsidian thistle
Well I dont think that would be accurate
obsidian thistle
Well I am going to move this convo along cause I have no idea where this one is going now.
gilded mason
lol
gilded mason
Like that one thing
vague scroll
@obsidian thistle if you leave legion alone, he can keep this up for hours
obsidian thistle
We actually learnt what happened to the Delta Halo Index. That was a nice suprise.
gilded mason
Oh
carmine sleet
I love that Outpost Discovery is an actual thing within the lore honestly
gilded mason
What did happen to it?
obsidian thistle
It was kept and used as a display at OD
carmine sleet
Also, that's cool about the Delta Halo Index
gilded mason
Of course the UNSC took it. 😏
obsidian thistle
Yep. Truely interesting tbh
young kestrel
Of the two UNSC logos which is the correct one to use, I’ve seen two of them. I can’t post pics here but if anyone can help I can dm them the two logos
gilded mason
They both are correct. At the moment.
young kestrel
Hmm
carmine sleet
One's just an older logo, doesn't make it less correct of a logo to use
gilded mason
Same
violet vine
Smoke and Shadows said:
“Wait, what are you saying? There’s salvage?”
“Yes. But it is infested.” Nor’s feathers ruffled. Whatever it was unnerved the Kig-Yar. “With Hunters.”
A jolt of dread lifted the hairs on the back of Rion’s neck. Funny how one word could do that. Hunters. She stifled a shudder and tried to ignore her sinking hopes. “Any idea how many?”
Nor shook her head. “Word is there were many survivors after the crash. The Hunters, though, they kill whatever was left. Then they waited for rescue. None came, so . . . some say they multiply. Maybe true. Maybe whole ship, whole planet infested by now.”
pg. 67
Smoke and Shadows said:
Rion sat back, her thoughts churning. A ship infested with Hunters had been enough to keep salvagers at bay for at least a couple of decades. But these days, with ships and weapons at a premium and every faction out there desperate for power, there were those who wouldn’t hesitate to face an infested planet if they thought the payout was great enough.
pg. 69
carmine sleet
I have to agree on that, sure, it is a cool look, but it's a little too complex for what logos should be. To be fair, it's an issue you'll find in allot of different franchises, they over-complicate a faction's logo because they don't want to have something too simple
obsidian thistle
I like both designs
I find that the newer logo actually suits the post-war era.
unique rune
The eagle on the post-war insignia is a bit much, but I feel like the war-era insignia is almost a bit too abstract.
carmine sleet
Like, it isn't a bad design in any sense, just coming from the perspective of a graphic designer, it's just a complex looking logo
young kestrel
^
gilded mason
I thought this video about it seemed pretty good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAVXe5aD-JQ
young kestrel
Templin Institute is some good stuff
young kestrel
What
young kestrel
I have no idea what you’re talking about
somber wave
^^
carmine sleet
Venkaaril, it's better you just ignore Legionbro's stuff, they've been ranting for ages
young kestrel
Aight
carmine sleet
Anyway, speaking of logos, what's everyone's opinions of the logo for Hannibal Weapon Systems?
somber wave
It’s ok but I haven’t played h5 in a wile
carmine sleet
Aye, that's fair, I think if the elephants were a bit more simplistic, it'd look even better than it does already. I am biased though since elephants are one of my favourite animals
somber wave
Speaking of elephants wouldn’t it be great if elephants came back to infinite I only remember h3 sand trap
young kestrel
Yessss
unique rune
ODST had their garbage truck cousins
young kestrel
While Assault and Strike are in the halo franchise I don’t consider them to be true halo games
young kestrel
I don’t deny that it’s canon
obsidian thistle
Well they are canon. And are true Halo games. I mean nothing makes them false xD
fair hazel
They're Halo. Point.
somber wave
I haven’t played spartan assault is it any good??
young kestrel
Imagine halo wars but it’s controlling one character
somber wave
Ah I see
I just realized I haven’t downloaded hw2 yet but I still have it * face palm
fair hazel
Twin stick shooter
unique rune
Spartan Assault is fun
though Spartan Strike is a bit more polished
fair hazel
Although strike probably wasnt as character driven in its story
young kestrel
I was never a big fan of the Wars games
fair hazel
I like them
unique rune
I should play more of Wars 2.
And actually finish Wars' campaign at some point.
somber wave
I haven’t even started yet
young kestrel
This is getting off topic
unique rune
Shooters don't take as much thought as RTS
somber wave
It does in certain games but still rts still takes way more thinking
somber wave
^^
unique rune
I mean
sure
competitively
but if I'm playing casually
I can just turn my brain off
point and shoot
unique rune
yeah
but the difference is
I can turn off my brain in an FPS and still do relatively well most of the time
not with RTS
unique rune
I mean
I was more talking in the scope of multiplayer
obsidian thistle
Do note there is no canon difficulty. Bar exceptions where a canon scenario is only possible on a specific difficulty.
remote spruce
difficulty specific dialogue must be fun/annoying
agile lotus
“We had sticks! Two sticks and a rock for a whole platoon!”
inner basin
“And we had to share the rock!”
abstract zealot
“Buck up boy, you’re one very lucky marine!”
jovial temple
One marine with a rock > whole squad of brutes
Pfft
Or wait was that actually quotes from something
It sounds as ridiculous as spartan 1337
storm flume
Sgt Johnson on the Metropolis cutscene
Heroic difficulty if I recall
Apparently he also says it in Reach Firefight
vague scroll
he said it as something charismatically stupid to say
its a joke in the face of utter terror
inner basin
He’s the comedic relief
storm flume
Imagine being a marine on the frontline and seeing a Spartan. I never thought about it until I started reading the lore, but it must be a really amazing experience.
unique rune
"oh man we might not actually die today"
remote spruce
the irony is that they usually die anyway RIP
jade axle
Queue marine dying cry from CEA
This topic gave me an idea for something to be discussed about halo infinite regarding death animations and stuff 😄 check on #483759756566069258
jovial temple
“No way! A spartan?”
“For real? You better not be...”
“No man, he’s here! We’re gonna be alright!”
whole base gets overrun by brutes moments later
remote spruce
see
inner basin
Well all the wounded were trying to be evacuated while Chief held down the fort long enough to get basically everyone out he isn’t dead. Then they set the bomb off
inner basin
Yeah but Chief rescued as many as he could.
Then they were evacuated by Pelican when they got to the landing pad
The second point I was going to bring up is that it must be cool to even see an ODST on the frontline as a Marine because they are bada**es and are very skilled. If you look at how Lasky and the rest of the cadets react when ODSTs drop in the FuD miniseries, you can see that they are worried, yes, but they are also stunned cause these guys are one of the best units on the field
jovial temple
Also in halo 3 ODST there is some nod to this
They got the most combat experience out of the units except Spartans ofc being dropped right in the front lines most of the time and what’s interesting about them is the majority of them choose to manually override their pods instead of using auto pilot when landing which is even more dangerous
Adding to that thrill factor
Someone correct me if I’m wrong about that but I vaguely remember reading it from halopedia
inner basin
When they do a combat drop, they truly do drop. Yes I don’t know if all of them do it, but at least some manually override the auto pilot.
versed helm
ODSTS send it
inner basin
I like the whole concept around them and would like to see them do a combat drop while we are on the ground already, in some game if not Infinite.
jovial temple
From my understanding the elites have similar drop pods that elites drop in with too
But idk if they’re used for the front lines
Like the ODST’s
You see them in halo 2 & 3
stoic hamlet
Actually it was seen as a bad omen to see ODST’s deployed
At least according to FUD
stoic hamlet
Not suicide missions, but incredibly dangerous ones often in the thickest fighting
So seeing them deployed to your position is probably not actually a good thing
jovial temple
Well near suicidal but yeah
Def
Buck was the only original member of alpha-nine if that means anything lol
All his first squad members died
jovial temple
Landing oddly is one of them
stoic hamlet
Burning alive in your pod is another
jovial temple
I guess these atrocities is how they effectively gave the nickname “coffin” to their pods
It’s either from the ways you can die in it, or because the fact they didn’t have time for a funeral & the unsc is known not to send the dead back home so the ODST’s could’ve just put the dead back in their pods
Or both
stoic hamlet
They euthanize their wounded if they can’t get back home
Medics carry a drug cocktail they inject into the grievously wounded that dulls the pain, and also kills the wounded trooper.
jovial temple
Wow that’s terrible but I guess it’s better than suffering if the situation is that sticky. My goodness
versed helm
Well, it's the rational thing to do.
They know what they signed up for. Shock infantry can't be dragging around terminally hurt compatriots who're screaming and falling apart.
jovial temple
I hear the plasma based weapons are op in the lure so is that what you mean by falling apart?
versed helm
Falling apart can mean anything that injures a soldier enough to have, y'know.
Their entrails become extrails.
stoic hamlet
^^^
jovial temple
Right
versed helm
But yes, plasma is absolutely one of those things.
jovial temple
I’m not too familiar with the covenant weaponry in the lore but I’m sure they all could do that
stoic hamlet
The Plasma Rifle has melted limbs off
The pistol has burned flesh away with near misses, IIRC.
near being relative
Because you know, the heat
versed helm
It's pretty much instant death or dismemberment if you take a bolt and you're not covered in incredibly dense alloy or energy shielding.
stoic hamlet
Or, you know, agony
versed helm
I guess the trade off is range and accuracy. The velocity of bolts does seem to fall quite a distance below projectile weapons, and I can't see pinpoint accuracy coming from a blob of gas trapped in a self-generating magnetic field.
jovial temple
Jesus that’s insane
versed helm
Which is presumably why they keep carbines and needle weapons around, though.
jovial temple
It seems like the brute spiker is the least dangerous of them all if plasma can melt your skin off
stoic hamlet
Superheated
jovial temple
Ah
stoic hamlet
But yeah, more or less
stoic hamlet
Shot out pretty fast
versed helm
Aren't they fired magnetically?
versed helm
Doesn't seem to actually be specified, seems likely though.
stoic hamlet
It makes sense
versed helm
Apparently they're favoured over plasma weapons because they're more resilient.
stoic hamlet
I can see that
versed helm
And Elites use plasma rifles as cudgels on the regular so spike weapons must be uber resilient.
jovial temple
The unsc stated they don’t stand a chance in space but I don’t see how they ever stood a chance on ground with that kind of threat. Wow lol
versed helm
Well, human weapons are no slouches either 🤷
stoic hamlet
They kind of never did. The only reason they did was because the Covenant were really incompetent tactically.
gilded mason
Spartans were the main game changer on the ground.
stoic hamlet
Them and massive killzones
jovial temple
Except thel was pretty tactical
jovial temple
But they said there were always holes in the other commanders
Or whatever the rank is
versed helm
I would suggest that there's only so much advantage advanced technology can actually afford you in the ground game, at least in the Halo universe.
gilded mason
Except thel was pretty tactical
As devil's advocate, we shouldn't judge an entire thing based on one person.
versed helm
Like, sure, plasma's scary and everything, but a 7.62 round will drop a grunt just as fast.
And UNSC troops have jackhammer tubes for energy shielded threats and hunters so it evens out.
versed helm
Sniper rifles-
jovial temple
Tactical prowess
stoic hamlet
It fell because the Covenant slipped dropships behind the main lines and took out the generators
gilded mason
New lore for Reach was that Thel only arrived really late to it, I think
jovial temple
Oh I see
versed helm
In the last wave, I suppose.
stoic hamlet
the fight was already basically over
versed helm
The big naval battle everyone was holding back for.
stoic hamlet
Which is why he could chase the Autumn. His ships hadn’t been mauled by the Navy like the rest.
versed helm
Y'know, about the supercarrier over Reach.
Everyone always says that the reason the UNSC fleet didn't engage it was that they were holding off for RED FLAG, and NOBLE jumped the gun.
Doesn't make sense to me that there was such poor communication, though.
stoic hamlet
I mean, Army does what Army wants is definitely been implied in a few places.
jovial temple
Wasn’t the super carrier called “long night of solace”?
stoic hamlet
Yep
versed helm
In-game they say that the UNSC fleet is still arriving - presumably they were just under-strength, not enough ships to take on a CSO without suffering almost total casualties.
jovial temple
The covey flagship
stoic hamlet
Yeah.
gilded mason
This is the same planet that had most of the Spartan IIs blissfully unaware of the battle raging over the planet for the entire month.
stoic hamlet
It’s probable that they just didn’t want to throw their ships at the CSO and hope one got a killshot in before they all died.
versed helm
I don't think there's any need to come up with the RED FLAG excuse, though - Mythos itself says that NOBLE's actions bought time for RED FLAG.
jovial temple
Could be the covenant jamming the unsc comms for poor communication
Isn’t that a thing?
versed helm
I mean sure, but there's no need for the excuse.
stoic hamlet
I mean they hit the Visegrad relay which was apparently pretty important
versed helm
NOBLE had to take on the carrier alone because the fleet wasn't ready.
Simple as pie.
stoic hamlet
But yeah there’s no real need for another excuse
jovial temple
they knew their fleet didn’t stand a chance lol
Speaking of fleets why aren’t there more ships around the size of spirit of fire?
It’s bigger than the autumn
jovial temple
Oh now that makes sense
stoic hamlet
It’s a retrofitted colony ship/automated factory
versed helm
It was built long before the UNSC really needed warships, too.
stoic hamlet
Mhm
versed helm
When it comes to warships, size doesn't automatically mean effectiveness, and effectiveness can also mean producibility.
It's why halcyons were scrapped in favour of marathons, actually - marathons lacked the resilience of the halcyon's sophisticated internal design, but they were also just cheaper.
stoic hamlet
Also packed a bigger punch
versed helm
Well yeah xD bad example, maybe.
stoic hamlet
Nothing like almost 2,000 archers and twin MAC’s firing.
versed helm
Except a whole load of plasma torpedoes and pulse lances, apparently.
stoic hamlet
but missile spam is cooler
last anchor
Missile spam is always cooler
jovial temple
Indeed
But is it cooler than glassing?
O.o
Honestly the Macs are pretty interesting
Giant space ship sized rail guns
fair hazel
Coil guns
violet vine
As far as I can judge the weapons of the Covenant are mainly based on plasma. I have not found any specific weapons with the exception of anti-material charges. Does the Covenant have any weapons other than the primary (Energy projector • Plasma bombardment mortar • Plasma torpedo • Plasma cannon • Pulse laser turret). In one of the books it was mentioned that the Covenant has a bottomless arsenal and at the beginning of halo 2 we see some kind of apparently kinetic weapon.
I'm tired of looking for any mention of him (a few days, yes I am seemingly crazy). Maybe someone knows something about this.
Is any covenant ship armament mentioned that was not based on plasma? What other types of weapons do they have?
One:
Spike autocannons
pseudo kiln
@violet vine jirilhanae combat knives are just curved metal knives. Also I know you mentioned it but spike weapons
tropic sandal
Does the Carbine count as a projectile weapon? In H2 it seems like one, but then in H3 they added a trailing plasma effect, kinda like the scarab gun and hunter cannon.
So maybe more of a beam/laser weapon?
According to the visual guide it uses 8.7×60mm caseless radioactive projectiles. So I guess its more like a needler, without the explosion
versed helm
According to the Halo 2 manual it's related in basic principle to fuel rod weaponry.
Or to be more precise, "in some ways its technology mirrors Covenant Fuel Rod Gun, although obviously on a smaller scale, but offers similar penetration to UNSC battle rifle".
The word of the text itself, page 14.
Presumably its ammunition is what mirrors fuel rod weaponry, but the launch/guidance systems (if applicable) are different.
tropic sandal
Yeah cool. Good sourcing
That makes sense. Same projectiles essentially, just smaller and delivered faster.
But without the explosion
Maybe the explosion on impact is related to the projectile mass
carmine sleet
Basically. Even with the Carbine in Halo 5, it's still a projectile, albeit a different type of projectile
The T-57B uses a streamlined manufacturing process and reactive materials in place of radioisotopes for coating projectiles
That's straight off of the Type-57 Carbine page on Halopedia
versed helm
Hm - does that include the ol' T-51 as well, I wonder?
tropic sandal
I love the in-game dialogue referring to it. This is my fav, though there's no source to say which game its from - "Hey — don’t inhale immediately after the charger ejects. I heard that sh*t will give you Boren’s Syndrome."
versed helm
Well, certainly a believable thing for UNSC soldiers to say.
But Slipstream, I'm curious for your opinion - do you think that factoid on the T-57B is comparing it to other related weapon systems, or other models of the carbine?
Wait hold on - another thought here.
I've always thought it strange that, in a universe in which such fine gravitational control is exerted through technology as in Halo, there seems to be a distinct lack of gravitational weapons.
Is it possible that Covenant projectile weapons use gravitational fields to impart velocity?
carmine sleet
Forgive me Looters, but I'll be honest, how you phrased your question about the carbine is slightly confusing for me
Although, I think that might be more down to how my brain works
versed helm
Oh, well there's a few carbine models at this point. The classic is the T-51, I think, and that info refers to the T-57B which implies a T-57A, right?
I just wondered if you thought it was T-57B specific or related to all Covenant carbine-type weapons.
carmine sleet
I'd say it's possible it's related to all Carbines. I mean, we see the T-51 in Halo 4 and it has quite a few differences when compared to the T-51s seen within previous Halo games
Plus, it wouldn't surprise me if there's more types of ammo for the weapon outside of what we've seen so far
Then you also have things like the Blood of Suban Carbines, which is a really interesting weapon within the lore due to the two brothers who made them
versed helm
Presumably the basic technology used to propel the rounds functions regardless of the composition of the rounds themselves - or at least, can be made to.
It's interesting - a lot of sources state that the carbine fires caseless projectiles. From a human perspective, that means that the projectile is embedded in a propellant block.
I wonder if that definition can be stretched to support the idea of gravitic firing, and thus not requiring of case or propellant.
jovial temple
Do jackals in the lore have 2 second aim bot like in halo 2 on legendary?
I know they can see really well
Do they just be quick scoping marines left and right?
That’s a better question
versed helm
Nah, but Covenant snipers do use a very sophisticated form of smart-link like system.
And I guess jackals naturally are probably very suited to the job.
carmine sleet
Aye, the Jackals are known to have really good eyesight which allows them to be great snipers
inner basin
I just got to ask when fighting Covenant why don’t the UNSC wear like a stone armour. I know that sounds insane but hear me put, in the book dirt following Gage Yevgenny, they are holed up in a castle on an unknown planet, using the castle as an outpost and when it is shot at by plasma it makes it hold stronger together instead of it crumbling which made me think why not have stone armour for Marines. I know it sounds really impractical but just a thought. Also I’m running on like 2 hours of sleep so if it’s a silly idea, that’s why.
versed helm
Because it'd probably be really easy for the UNSC to create alloys which are even more heat resistant than stone.
In fact, what they were using before the Covenant came is probably more heat resistant than most types of naturally-occurring stone.
Also body armour and castles are not the same thing.
jovial temple
And the more compact stone gets, the heavier it is for them
versed helm
Vastly different volumes.
inner basin
I guess the heat resistant is a possibility but does stone not hold together more where as alloys could be punctured more easily
versed helm
Stone has a tendency to shatter sometimes.
To crumble, really.
Metal doesn't usually do that.
Also, Stone is heavy
inner basin
Not always
jovial temple
Especially in water environments