the passage with the 3
#lore-and-universe
fair hazel
modest marsh
That’s not what he said though
fair hazel
he simply didnt want to hurt them
.......... we know by canon that lightrifle doesnt incinerate opponents by simply shooting at them
there are different weapons, some completely incinerate someone, some don.t
lightrifle is not one of them. dying star can completly incinerate someone. But not the Base Z-250 Directed Energy Engagement Weapon
And again in the quote, he didn't want to hurt anyone. He was like, his armour could take their fire, but yeah after some sustained fire it'd go down. But the point there is that he didn't want to fight back and hurt them
modest marsh
Well, my armor could handle it for a few seconds. Then I’d be in serious trouble.
fair hazel
'I just didn't want anyone to get hurt'
fair hazel
He didn't want to fight back so no one would get hurt. And they'd fight him.
modest marsh
He doesn’t need to hurt them if he isn’t at risk of dying really quickly from comparatively mundane weapons
His advantage in strength and speed would allow him to disarm them immediately
I don’t think that within the story Forbeck put too much thought to the mechanics of individual Forerunner weapons and instead grouped them all together
fair hazel
The others are still spartans. And they can still get them hurt while he tries to disarm them as they'd also fight back. Spartans after all. Ones with lethal intent.
modest marsh
For that matter, I doubt between halo 5, bad blood, and his other experiences with prometheans he’s never been hit with anything more powerful than a lightrifle
fair hazel
And things are consistent enough.
modest marsh
“Still Spartans” is meaningless when Buck is multiple times faster than they are
Or at least should be
fair hazel
He talks about him being able to take the barrage of fire. Then he's like, okay it'd be fine but then after some time it wouldn't.
I don't think Buck would want to risk it
modest marsh
It seemed like the author wanted to create dramatic tension, and did so by putting him in a “dangerous” situation
Besides, are they wearing tac vests with a dozen BR magazines or something?
Are all 3 supposed to reload while being attacked by Buck?
fair hazel
Buck could definitely take them. He didn't want to however. That much is pretty clear.
And if they all unload on him, that's 108 bullets.
fair hazel
More plausible for spartans.
Anyways, point is he can take on bullet fire, just not indefinitely.
modest marsh
Unarmored Spartans have 1/5th the twitch muscle response time that an armored one does
That’s a conservative number given it should be higher as of 2558 with advances in MJOLNIR technology
fair hazel
Buck wasn't in danger against the other Spartans
the other spartans were in danger from Buck
modest marsh
And?
If the concern is his ability to avoid being shot at all, he has a distinct advantage
fair hazel
the quote is basically if he could take on the fire. not that that's whats going to happen necessairly
lunar condor
The bigger issue is more like, if you sit and fight every single person you come across you will eventually go down when you are behind "Enemy Lines". That's the point they were trying to bring across. Spartans are strong but they can't fight everyone alone.
doesn't matter if the enemy is armored or unarmored.
abstract zealot
^The Spartans training emphasized a lot of teamwork. Working as a team is more valuable than working alone in a lot of scenarios.
modest marsh
Okay but we’re talking about a specific scene where it’s 4 people locked in a room and one of them is wearing armor that multiplies their strength and speed
@lunar condor not really applicable to the scenario
lunar condor
Fights arent just about physical parameters tho
3 unaugmented spartans on high alert with lethal intent can maybe not kill buck, but injury, or other debilitation is very possible
Maybe he was just thinking a bit ahead with that
Its a fight he didnt need to fight
modest marsh
@lunar condor what level of alertness makes their bullets do more damage
lunar condor
None? But its more like they wouldnt get caught by surprise and disarmed before they can do anything. They would all most likely shoot him and most bullets would hit because hes a big target in close proximity.
And thats enough damage to injure if not kill.
modest marsh
It’s not though, that’s what I’ve been drawing attention to
You can use Halo 5’s opening cutscene
Tanaka barrels through a banshee and a boulder twice her size and the shields hold
lunar condor
I mean you feel like 3 rifles all firing and most bullets hitting are not enough to even injure? And id either stick to books or games. Game has to fit cool logic.
modest marsh
What’s a couple magazines of an intermediate rifle gonna do
lunar condor
Like if its cool but makes no sense its gonna be in the game
modest marsh
The books more often than not say the armor is bulletproof anyway but I’m going off of what would be fresh in the author’s mind
lunar condor
And bulletproof does not mean takes 0 dmg from bullets. Bulletproof means something is resistant to bullets. Doesnt mean some wont get through.
And i doubt he was thinking he would get killed. Getting injured would be bad enough.
lunar condor
Probably its mass production and cheap after all
modest marsh
Because it doesn’t make sense with what they show
Blowing through stone walls and punching open tank armor > a few hundred bullets
warped nimbus
yea GEN1 is much stronger than the GEN2, GEN2 is more about technical enhancements and production costs, as I know it anyway
lunar condor
The games kinda try to make visually cool and appealing scenes. But accuracy suffers for it.
modest marsh
That’s closer to what the books and comics show too?
lunar condor
Like im not saying all books are 100% consistent not even real life is that consistent
modest marsh
I don’t think it’s a consistency issue either
lunar condor
I mean im sorta trying to understand what the issue is to begin with
versed helm
^
modest marsh
The scene doesn’t make sense, there’s a lot of those that crop up in talks around here because halo’s rules are complicated and I imagine people often forget
Well I say it doesn’t make sense, it does, I just don’t think it strictly works as closely because of a lapse of scale
lunar condor
Tbh what made less sense to me in that book was how weak thousands of prometheans were
lunar condor
Like a promethean knight should by all means be a strong as a spartan
modest marsh
I think that’s fair
gilded mason
At least.
modest marsh
^ yeah that always bugged me
lunar condor
But they are portrayed like you are fighting some highschool kid with a shiny sword
fair hazel
gen 2 is still resilient.
promethean knights are very strong
lightrifle does not incinerate a person fully
lunar condor
Its like buck and a couple spartans + 100 soldiers ger attacked by thousands of knights and somehow ez pez through it
modest marsh
Besides the point
I agree, Prometheans are “underpowered”
They have a lot of advantages they use sparingly for no reason
lunar condor
Like heck they were in more of a danger because of grunts than promethean knights in that book😂
modest marsh
Knights stopped teleporting or using shields, which I understand are gameplay changes, but outside of halo 4 they don’t really use it at all even before they were “modified” by Cortana
versed helm
Grunts are the dominant species @lunar condor
modest marsh
Also Forerunners tend to have some sort of “repulsive” ability
Knights use them sometimes to deflect grenades
Not really explored
lunar condor
I remember sentinels in the ghosts of onyx
Those things were portrayed crazy strong
modest marsh
Yeah...chances are we’re never seeing anything that wild again
lunar condor
I sure hope we do, also hoping for more books with john as a protagonist. Like silent storm was pretty neato
carmine sleet
Silent Storm is luckily getting a sequel so you'll have your fix of Halo novels with Chief
lunar condor
Yaaaas awesome
stable schooner
A single Knight should bring fear. Like Encountering a pair of Halo 5 Hunters on Legendary
worldly nimbus
I could try and write a Halo book if I have time. Lol. It won't be an official book because I'd have to talk with the team
carmine sleet
I have an idea for a fan fiction within the Halo universe but I need to actually put down all of my ideas but I do have a unique villain in mind for it
worldly nimbus
Palmer, just yelling at Chief about his height
lunar spruce
in the lore it is mentioned that the UNSC has tanks other than the Scorpion, do we have any information on them?
worldly nimbus
I could send a pic to you in dms
lunar condor
Do spartans count as tanks?😂
storm flume
MJOLNIR maybe lol
worldly nimbus
XD
lunar spruce
Seems like there are only Scorpion varients and Grizzlys
fair hazel
support tanks..
lunar spruce
kind of makes sense, the UNSC would have no need for tanks until the insurrection and Covenant War, so they wouldn't need to design any new ones
fair hazel
and theres more vehicles to the UNSC's arsenal but we havent heard about them yet
lunar condor
UNSC tanks feel so bad tbh
Like it feels like they made 0 progress in 500 years on the tank front
stable schooner
Don’t fix what isn’t broken
lunar spruce
if anything they made reverse progress, the technology is good but the design is horrible
90mm gun on a MBT?
worldly nimbus
So, marines can sit on the outside of the tank, right? Imagine how much your ears would be ringing when Chief fired it xD
lunar condor
Sitting on the side of a tank unprotected defeats the entire point of the tank tbh
lunar spruce
soviet russian had a interesting type of add on armor
worldly nimbus
Aight, that's it. I'm making a new type of tank in my book.
lunar condor
Also surprising how little remotely controlled vehicles the UNSC uses
Seeing as how smart AIs can run entite cities
I dont see why they cant remote control 50 tanks
lunar condor
Hmm i suppose
worldly nimbus
AIs can go rampant
gilded mason
Just Smart AI
worldly nimbus
True
lunar spruce
AI decides it wants a vacation, and will enforce it with its tanks
lunar condor
Their dumb AI seems competent enough to aim and shoot aliens tbh
fair hazel
the tank has targeting mechamisms and automation systesm
lunar spruce
they have that, and they have a lot of UAVs
fair hazel
also 90mms yeah but, dont know muzzle velocity or other properties
lunar spruce
it is stated to be a high velocity gun that fires tungsten shells
lunar condor
Surprised tanks dont use railguns and use more conventional weapons
mental nimbus
I mean the answer to that question is always going to be that "realistic vision of 26th century warfare" has never been very high on the priority list but "aliens and starship troopers looked cool, right?" was
lunar spruce
I put the gun into a tank design program to calculate the muzzle energy, assuming a slightly higher velocity than a 120mm M256 gun and a modern APDSFS shell it gets about 3.50 Mega Joules
which is a lot
worldly nimbus
Imagine this, a tank, but with a MAC on it.
gilded mason
I mean the answer to that question is always going to be that "realistic vision of 26th century warfare" has never been very high on the priority list but "aliens and starship troopers looked cool, right?" was
Basically what Bungie said in their commentary, yeah.
lunar spruce
mammoth has a MAC gun
modest marsh
The new Scorpion, the M820, has a 150mm cannon
fair hazel
also M820 is 150
modest marsh
Its REQ description states it has equal firepower to the M808’s 90mm
lunar condor
Like for me they get a lot of things right, but a lot more obvious ones are oddly weird.
lunar spruce
it apparently has similar effectiveness to the 90mm gun, which really doesn't make sense at all
lunar spruce
it should have at least much better HE shells
modest marsh
Why?
lunar spruce
152mm is massively larger than a 90mm gun
modest marsh
In width
fair hazel
it likely refers to combat effectiveness. it does not verbatum state it has equal firepower number things
modest marsh
That doesn’t say anything about the mass of the round
lunar spruce
I would assume that they wouldn't decrease the length of the shell, so it would most likely be much heavier
for example, the 90mm gun M3 had a 23.29 lb HE shell
modest marsh
Alright but the density can depend a lot on what they choose to use for the individual round
lunar spruce
why would they want a less space effective round?
modest marsh
What
Thinner does not mean worse
5.56mm has superior armor penetration than 7.62
The purpose of increasing the bore width in the M820 is that they plan to use non conventional launched munitions
Like mortar
lunar spruce
when it comes to HE shells size matters more than penetration
lunar spruce
I was saying that HE should be much more powerful
modest marsh
For a MBT it wouldn’t make sense to rely entirely on one type of round that’s ineffective against heavy armor anyway
lunar spruce
a real 152mm gun used on the MBT-70 had a 41 lb HEAT shell vs the 23.29 lb HE shell of the 90mm M3 gun
which gave it much more effectiveness against infantry
but that could just be lore and gameplay segregation
a accurately depicted Scorpion would be very hard to fight
modest marsh
Your mistake is assuming anything about fictional materiel that’s very vaguely described in function
lunar spruce
I would assume that twice as much fictional material would be more powerful than the normal amount of it
modest marsh
Materiel
military materials and equipment.
And we don’t know that it’s twice as big, you assumed that
lunar spruce
they state it is a 152mm gun
modest marsh
150
lunar spruce
that is slightly less than twice as big as a 90mm gun, and more than twice the volume
lunar spruce
in diameter it is, and I do not believe they would make the shells of the 152mm half as long as the 90mm shells
modest marsh
The UNSC has already done this with their intermediate rifles
trail willow
5.56 is more linear than 9
modest marsh
The battle rifle shoots stubby bullets
Doesn’t make any sense, but it’s also sci-fi
lunar spruce
maybe they want the larger caliber to allow things like ATGMs
modest marsh
That’s what I’ve been suggesting
The waypoint article pretty directly implies as much
lunar spruce
hopefully we get to use ATGMs ingame in Infinite
versed helm
Kig-yar
green delta
will cortona release the flood as she is infected by the logic plague?
and master chief went to zeta halo to use on the flood
limpid meadow
I highly doubt Cortana is infected by the Logic plague.
green delta
it would be a very good transition for making the flood relevant again
versed helm
What happens if you slipspace into slipspace, slipspace holes intercept eachother, and exit from slipspace inside slipspace and near slipspace?
green delta
inception
stoic peak
Do spartans or Elites have stronger Over Shildes?
I remember one of the novels had a sangheili saying the Armor Spartans wear is very advanced even by the Covernants standards, and probably better compared to there own armor.
warm leaf
Yes they should be some what on par
jade tiger
Ive known of Blue Teams existence, even before Their animated show debut, but in terms of the game, where were they for all those years?
gilded mason
Askin' why Bungie never used 'em, or what they were up to, in-universe, while John was doin' his stuff?
versed helm
cortana isn't infected by the logic plague
abstract zealot
I believe the higher ranking Sangheilis have stronger shielding than that of the Spartans, though it isn't stated whether it is or isn't. The reason I believe this is from one of the cutscenes is from Halo: Reach Noble Team is talking to Halsey and when they mention zealots she asks if they are sure and Jorge mentions armor and Noble Six mentions shield strength.
@stoic peak
If I could send a clip of that part of the cutscene I would.
abstract zealot
Fighting the Covenant.
jade tiger
Olive I totally think she is
abstract zealot
During CE they were on Reach and part of Halo 2 they were on Onyx
gilded mason
She ain't infected.
jade tiger
Then why she gone coo coo for cocopuffs over here
gilded mason
She's rampant
unique rune
If 343 goes down the logic plague route I will be very disappointed.
Logic plague Cortana feels lazy and nonsensical to me.
last anchor
Back to this one again?
abstract zealot
If they do exactly what the story arc for Mendicant Bias was, then I'd think it would be lazy for me. But if they go about it in a different way I'd be really interested on how they'd do it.
versed helm
Was red team, as in the spirit of fire team, in Sierra company with chief and the other blue team members?
If they were, what do you think chief and red team would do if they met?
abstract zealot
Yes, the ones in Halo Wars are SIIs if that is what you're referring to.
versed helm
No like we’re they in the same company, not generation
abstract zealot
And depending on how they meet, it would be similar to how John met up with Blue Team after Halo 4
And SIIs don't do companies
versed helm
“Sierra company”
abstract zealot
Oh you're talking about that one mission where only Blue Team was apart of which was a marine company.
versed helm
Sierra 117
abstract zealot
That was for a singular mission. So it's a no that they were in Sierra Company.
carmine sleet
It was just one group of SIIs during training, which would split into smaller teams, normally named after colours, main teams being Red and Blue teams with the rare Gold and Green. The entire lot of SIIs were never known as Sierra Company. Sierra 117 was a callsign
last anchor
Sierra is the military phonetic code for "S"
abstract zealot
You're good.
stable schooner
So do we have a General number on how many Spartan 3s are left?
last anchor
Approximately. 300 or so
stable schooner
Dang that much
abstract zealot
We aren't sure. But given most of Gamma Company was deployed shortly before the Battle of Onyx, I'd say the majority of them were at least alive by the end of the war
stable schooner
True I wonder what the UNSC or Oni has done with so many Spartan 3s who with Mjolnir would be equal to 2s right?
Though if Spartan 3s are equal to 2s then how come Noble Team are shorter and seem physically weaker then 2s
abstract zealot
Probably doing ONI operations and or operations for the Infinity
Could be the changes in the augmentations.
We know that the SIII augmentations were similar to the SIIs, but with a higher success rate.
stable schooner
Weren’t Spartan 2s Genetically superior candidates though due to specially being chosen for augmentations
stoic hamlet
331 S-III’s still alive as of 2553
323 Gammas, 3 Betas (an additional Beta Unknown), 4 Alpha’s, with an additional Alpha Unknown.
stable schooner
Dang UNSC isn’t hurting On Spartans anytime soon it seems
abstract zealot
Yes because they were the only ones that had the genetic markers to potentially survive the operations. With the SIIIs they were able to have a 100% success rate, though still have a narrow genetic marker
stoic hamlet
It wasn’t that they would be able to survive the operations, it was that they were deemed too valuable to place in the mainline companies
abstract zealot
Who?
abstract zealot
Who mentioned that?
abstract zealot
Oh okay lol
stoic hamlet
Ye
I did a dumb
Anyways, yeah, there’s a lotta III’s still kicking
Arguably they made up all of Spartan branch until 2554, I think
Or at least like, 90% of it
minor forum
What's the current tally on living Spartan ll's as of Halo 5?
stoic hamlet
15 I think
unreal plover
III’s were army before right?
abstract zealot
The only SIIIs to be placed in an Army branch was Noble Team
stable schooner
Red Team, Grey Team, Blue Team, Omega Team, Naomi, who else I’m rusty?
minor forum
How much has the army actually done in Halo? Isn't mainly the have and Marines that do important stuff?
stoic hamlet
And Red, Echo and Gauntlet @abstract zealot
You got them all I think @stable schooner
minor forum
I can't think of any more @stable schooner
unreal plover
Rip black team
stoic hamlet
Army’s done a lot
abstract zealot
Army is what we saw during Reach. The Army does planetary defense
stoic hamlet
We just don’t usually see it
minor forum
Oh gotcha
stable schooner
Rip Black Team should be retconned back to life
unreal plover
I was probably just thinking army because of Ackerson’s involvement
stoic hamlet
But they were the ones really fighting in ground engagements l
unreal plover
Weren’t most soldiers in Halo Reach Army technically
abstract zealot
They aren't apart of the Army @stoic hamlet
stoic hamlet
All except the ODST’s, Sabre Pilots and the troops guarding the mass driver in the final mission
minor forum
Thanks. Didn't realize the army did planetary defense. I thought that was the Marines
stable schooner
@stoic hamlet can’t think of any else that’s all of em
stoic hamlet
You got them all yeah
stable schooner
Oh I meant you got all the Marine branch units
abstract zealot
They are in Naval Special Warfare Command
stoic hamlet
Where is that sourced from? I was unaware it was changed to them being under NAVSPECWAR
They were originally part of SPECWAR3 like Noble, IIRC.
stable schooner
I remember the Halo Wars trailer when everyone thought Omega team would be our protagonist Spartan Team
gilded mason
They're still alive though, ain't they?
abstract zealot
I hope we see more of Omega team, but I also hope we don't as well.
And I'm unsure where it was sourced. I just read the sources and the only thing I saw was they were similar to Noble
stable schooner
Their are alive yes
minor forum
I was just meming
gilded mason
Ah
stable schooner
Rip their main role in the story
minor forum
I wish there was a opportunity to expand on their lore but all they really add is what they drempt about while in cryo
stable schooner
So how come Omega are a 6 man Team.
minor forum
No clue
gilded mason
Because
minor forum
Reasons
stable schooner
@abstract zealot @stoic hamlet
gilded mason
Why?
unreal plover
Don’t kill Halsey
minor forum
I definitely agree with Sirein and Parengosky when it comes to her
Halsey deserves to suffer
gilded mason
Hmm
stoic hamlet
I was tagged?
abstract zealot
Omega Team was a 6 man team due to the operation most likely. Given that all SII teams besides Black and Grey are primarily based off of operations and aren't a set team 100% of the team (again like Black and Grey)
unreal plover
I feel that was Karen Traviss spilling over into their feelings
stable schooner
Yeah thoughts on Omega being 6 men
stoic hamlet
Yeah, what Expo said
gilded mason
I feel that was Karen Traviss spilling over into their feelings
Traviss tends to do that
unreal plover
Ridiculous reading Halsey hate in Kilo 5 books
stoic hamlet
S-II teams aren’t set numbers, they fluctuate
abstract zealot
During the Fall of Reach we see Red Team have around 25-30 members all splitting into 4 sub-team
unreal plover
Yeah they fluctuated often, didn’t Linda lead Green team in one op?
abstract zealot
And during Operation: WARM BLANKET we see Blue Team have 5. So it's always based on what the Operation needs
Sorry for my slow typing lol
abstract zealot
Hopefully when Oblivion comes out we see more of Green Team.
stoic hamlet
Denning confirmed only Blue unfortunately
stable schooner
Oh wait isn’t Nicole still alive
stoic hamlet
Nicole?
abstract zealot
Yes...
stoic hamlet
You mean the in canon limbo one from that brawler game?
stable schooner
Nicole -458
unreal plover
Lol
stable schooner
Lol yes
abstract zealot
That we know of she is still alive
stoic hamlet
She’s not canon anymore, or at least, like, her canon needs work
She could work as another Alpha S-III
but not as a II unless they change her number
unreal plover
Oui
minor forum
Indeed
abstract zealot
Even as an S-III the number would still need to change
abstract zealot
Oh yeah you're right. I was thinking of the ones who graduated
stoic hamlet
They keep their original assigned numbers, like, there weren’t 117 other Spartan II’s who survived the augmentations.
unreal plover
I have a question, I haven’t read any of the halo novels in a while. Does guilty Spark show back up after the forerunner trilogy?
stoic hamlet
Yes, he does
unreal plover
What book(s)?
stoic hamlet
Renegades
unreal plover
Ah, cool. Thanks
stoic hamlet
Np
stable schooner
Does Maria -062 count
stable schooner
Wasn’t sure if we We were only counting Active Spartans
abstract zealot
Just realized I saw dead and not inactive. Whoops
stable schooner
Zealots are a class not a Rank change my mind. Warriors to Combat!
sage path
Imma read that Grey Team book
Forgot the name
But it’s the one where the elites are all fighting each other and there’s also a human colony and stuff
carmine sleet
Halo Envoy
limpid meadow
Envoy was great! I just hope we don't have to wait 9 years for another Gray Team book again.
steep bridge
god I want another Gray team book again
obsidian thistle
Or Gray Team to just be present in some form.
Even if its just a record saying "Gray team did x"
stoic hamlet
I’d like info on Omega first
Have them, you know, actually be part of the lore and not just RTS units to justify their canon status
obsidian thistle
You know what I'd love. 343i to re-release some old canon websites that were killed.
Then we'd have the Halo Wars Launch Site back.
versed helm
Guys, I have a theory about the Forerunner Flood war
So we all mostly know of the story of Noah Ark, right?
Well, what if that never happened? Instead of 99% of Earth’s population being wiped out by a flood created by god (according to most of Christianity), they were actually victims to the didact coming to earth and turning them into digital essence to be put into the Promethean knights as a last ditch effort in the Forerunner Flood war?
carmine sleet
That's already debunked by facts within the lore. The humans that were turned into Promethean Knights weren't on Earth and all of the humans from before the Halo array fired that weren't composed were killed when the array fired. After this, humanity, along with all the other races, were reseeded back onto their homeworlds. Also, the story of Noah's Ark is just a story, outside of a single anchor found on a mountainside, there's no factual evidence to prove that what happened in the story actually happened
limpid meadow
all of the humans from before the Halo array fired that weren't composed were killed when the array fired
Not all. When a species was indexed, thousands of living specimens were collected along with DNA samples. These living specimens were stored on the Ark until the reseeding.
shrewd yoke
Not sure if this belongs here, but does anybody know who the human on the front cover of Halo: Retribution is?
shrewd yoke
What armour is she wearing then?
limpid meadow
SPI armor, same the Spartan-IIIs were issued
SPI doesn't require the extensive augmentations Mjolnir does
shrewd yoke
Oh, OK. Thanks
limpid meadow
No prob
carmine sleet
Thanks for the correction Toa, forgot about the part where they indexed the races
unreal plover
Just found out I have The Fall of Reach still
Thought I just had broken circle and the Kilo Five trilogy, and the rest in storage
rapid mesa
my halo 2 pc multiplayer isn't working what should i do?
carmine sleet
#471749501171007498 would be a better place to ask that Justin
molten cradle
okay anyone have some infinite story theories nobody has talked about yet
vivid dust
Is there another Covenant-themed map than Damnation which features teleporters?
I thought it was only a Forerunner thing
versed helm
@carmine sleet, good job on making me feel stupid. I didn’t think knights were on earth, the humans on earth became digital essence for the knights
stoic hamlet
That seems unnecessarily hostile man
versed helm
Eh, now that I look back, it was quite hostile. Sorry about that.
inner basin
I personally don’t see it being hostile. I guess it’s just how you interpret it. Well that’s off topic anyways. But to add, after ancient humanity (before the firing of the array) was devolved and put on Omega Halo, the Didact composed part of the population, due to his hatred for humanity. After they were composed, they were made into Knights.
versed helm
@inner basin said what I was trying to say, but I just couldn’t find the words. Now would it make more sense once you swap what actually happened to what happened in Halo lore?
Also, thanks @inner basin
(And adding onto what I said, because of my religious believes, I think that stuff like the garden of eden, Noah’s ark, etc. all happened)
inner basin
I don’t see why not. It doesn’t really conflict with lore, up until 2014, when an AI was sent back in time I believe. As for Religion and Politics it is best to leave those out of the Discord server as it’s controversial
humble yacht
The humans that the Didact composed were on Omega halo, not earth
inner basin
I thought they were sent to Earth but just replace Earth with Omega Halo
humble yacht
Sorry, Omega Halo
versed helm
Okay, so this was me just being clueless about the exact details of what happened. Thanks for the pointing out it was on Omega Halo @humble yacht
So that’s my theory debunked then.
inner basin
Halo’s universe can be seen similar to ours, just not the exact same up to this point, and by that I mean upto 2019.
stable schooner
Woah their man your getting into controversial water id try keeping religious stuff away from here.
versed helm
Woah man idc what people think about my religious beliefs. Be butt hurt about my opinions if you’d like to guys
stable schooner
So to be sure nothing Cortana says in Halo Legends can be taken as fact right? I’d rather not see a religious debate tear the channel up just saying
feral perch
I don't think anyone is trying to shame you for your beliefs man @versed helm
inner basin
If there is to be a religious discussion/debate this isn’t the channel to do it, it’s lore in here
versed helm
Well, the covenant were a bunch a religious fanatics, right? 
feral perch
I think that certain discussions are more suited to something like a YouTube video, or blog, where there's less room for conflict.
yeah
versed helm
Good point @feral perch
I have a YouTube channel, problem is I don’t have a mic or a capture card
Well, I have my turtle beach headset, but that’s pretty much it
inner basin
Can you not use a console DVR?
versed helm
What’s a game DVR?
feral perch
I actually made lore videos for a while with just my headset mic
versed helm
Call me stupid, but I’m stupid
inner basin
Meant console DVR
feral perch
You know the record feature on Xbox?
inner basin
Basically that ^
versed helm
Oooh
So I just record 3 ten minute gameplay clips, combine them for a total of a 15 minute clip, make a script, and discuss my topic over the gameplay?
feral perch
Sure.
stable schooner
Lol the Foreunner scene in Halo Legends was pretty dumb in my opinion.
versed helm
Lol
feral perch
The Forerunners were dumb.
versed helm
@feral perch can I add you on discord
feral perch
Okay.
feral perch
the Forerunners were fleshed out by 343i. There's not much to compare them with from the Bungie era.
stable schooner
And admittedly for some being too fleshed out ruined them.
Though then we got the precursors so I’m fine with it.
versed helm
The soldiers/crawlers do not look Forerunner at all
The Prometheans were made by the Forerunners
Why don’t they have a theme similar to the sentinels, enforcers, or monitors?
humble yacht
Prometheans were of the Warrior Servant caste
versed helm
Admittedly, they look great, but they don’t look like they belong in a Halo game
humble yacht
Sentinels/enforcers were of the builder caste
versed helm
Well, Forerunners have this color theme of blue/silver. Why not make them look simpler and more Forerunner
Not saying they have to be floating hunks of metal 😂
stable schooner
I won’t lie though Crawlers as a Forerunner invention just seems dumb to me.
feral perch
I don't think so. It's important not to think in terms of the OG trilogy for everything. The Prometheans do seem very Forerunner to me, just not Builder Forerunner.
vivid dust
Watchers seem more out of place than Crawlers to me
versed helm
I think watchers and crawlers are most out of place
If you do small re designs to the soldiers, they’d look Forerunner
And the knights are in a decent spot
carmine sleet
I've never had issues with how the Prometheans look. I always took it as how things are in the real world, architecture, technology and various other things differ on how they look between countries, town and cities depending on who designed them. I just took the Prometheans as being similar, they weren't designed by the same people as the Sentinels and so they have the more organic look to them, such as with the tiny arms on Knights or the dog-like silhouette of the Crawlers
lunar spruce
that and being converted organics probably affected it
carmine sleet
Indeed, the others are just robots basically
modest marsh
That’s a contentious issue
versed helm
I’m not saying they look bad, they just don’t look exactly like they belong in Halo
modest marsh
I don’t have a substantial position on it but it’s worth noting Prometheans can “bleed”
versed helm
I think as entities in general they look great
modest marsh
That would imply they have some pseudo organic component
lunar spruce
I am disappointed that Prometheans are so easily killed
and their weapons are so weak
well, in game, not lore
modest marsh
Weapons aren’t weak?
versed helm
Not gonna lie, I have an unpopular opinion
lunar spruce
they are on par mostly
versed helm
I, LystrixGaming, like using the boltshot
lunar spruce
with covenant/UNSC weapons in game, I would expect a forerunner weapon too be incredibly powerful
modest marsh
LightRifle is a straight up upgrade on any precision weapon that isn’t a sniper rifle
lunar spruce
even the BR?
stable schooner
Forunners making dog cat mixed robots seems dumb to me.
modest marsh
Yes
vivid dust
well, you could argue they were literally made to fight the Flood, so a more "regular" enemy has more of a chance
lunar spruce
haven't played 5
versed helm
@lunar spruce, 5’s campaign is not worth your time for future reference
carmine sleet
In Halo 5, allot of the Promethean weapons handle differently to their Halo 4 counterparts, some are better, some are worse but that's just the nature of game balance
versed helm
Unless you’re hunting Xbox achievements, don’t even play 5’a campaign
lunar spruce
huh, but I would still think the forerunners would give their infantry general weapons that could vaporize a warthog in a instant if you consider how powerful their ship weapons are compared to UNSC and Convenant
stable schooner
Crawlers are dumb nothing can change my mind on that .
versed helm
It’s confusing if you don’t know the lore
carmine sleet
Also, it's better judge Halo 5's story and gameplay for yourself, Heatseeker, much better than just going off of what people tell you
modest marsh
It plays fine
versed helm
Watch Act Man’s six part series on the Halo 5 campaign
modest marsh
I just have no investment in what’s happening for most of the time
versed helm
I don’t have a problem with the gameplay, but the story is terrible
stable schooner
I can see Foreunners making Knights and Soldiers but Crawlers Nah.
versed helm
Too much filler and exposition
modest marsh
Why do you need a six part video series to act as a synopsis for a 6-8 hour game
tropic sandal
My only real gameplay issue with 5 is the god-awful AI in the squad mechanics. Other than that I think it plays fine.
versed helm
Well, @modest marsh, each part discusses certain things about how story is written, how actions scenes are done, etc.
carmine sleet
It's better to watch videos like that after having experienced the game's story itself first
modest marsh
Yeah but depending on the length of each video, you may as well play the game
stable schooner
Play the Game watch video their you go
modest marsh
And yes, I’m a strong advocate for experiencing the material itself before deferring to the opinions of others because how they experienced the game may be different from you
versed helm
I played the campaign before watching the series
modest marsh
Or anything for that matter
versed helm
I’m gonna be honest here, I haven’t had a good debate in awhile
This is getting me excited tbh
heavy pasture
Oh God, I hated halo 5's story
stable schooner
Exactly a lot of people say Halo 5 Campaigns is the worst, I myself only think it’s the second worst.
heavy pasture
Is it Reach?
stable schooner
Halo 4. Why would I say Halo 2.
heavy pasture
Oh
stable schooner
Don’t even bring up Halo 4s great story it can’t save a trash campaign for me.
stable schooner
Halo 2 despite its clearly unbalanced state is my favorite campaign alongside Halo 3.
versed helm
I’m gonna get banned so quickly for this XD
carmine sleet
Halo 4 was not a forced love story at all. Chief and Cortana are close, yes, but in more of a brother/sister type way
versed helm
sweet home Alabama
lunar spruce
you want too debate?
versed helm
Kinda
lunar spruce
what do you think of the scorpions design?
heavy pasture
I personally enjoyed Reach the most with 3 being my second favorite
versed helm
Why even change it
lunar spruce
lore wise, not game wise
stable schooner
Reaches Garbage Ai, Lack Of massive battles, alright level design make me put it in 5th place.
lunar spruce
we should have been able to play in massive battle in Tip of the Spear
stable schooner
Also only Covenant enemies and no 3 way fights
lunar spruce
also scorpion is a very badly designed vehicle, but it does look cool
stable schooner
I prefer the Grizzly to every Scorpion design
lunar spruce
grizzly isn't that good either, but it is better than the Scorpion
heavy pasture
How does the driver even use the cannon?
lunar spruce
it is remotely controlled with AI assistance
for Spartans
for marines there is actually a gunner sometimes
heavy pasture
But it is designed as a one seater vehicle
There isn't any room to fit a gunner inside the tank
Not that I could remember seeing anyway
lunar spruce
the turret is huge, I am certain they could fit a gunner in it
heavy pasture
On the 343 design sure
heavy pasture
With the auto loader I dont think their would be much room
stable schooner
Bring back ODSTS
modest marsh
They never left?
stable schooner
See any in Halo 4 and 5
carmine sleet
We just haven't seen ODSTs because they've not been important to the stories told
lunar spruce
trying too find a image, but the scorpion is larger than the largest tank ever build irl
last anchor
Longer, you mean.
carmine sleet
Also, ODSTs were mentioned during Halo 4 Spartan Ops by an announcer onboard Infinity
carmine sleet
It does mean ODSTs still exist though
stable schooner
We never see ODST drop in Halo 3 but their in 2 missions
heavy pasture
I'm curious on why the scorpion is designed with a 90mm gun
modest marsh
Because it’s sci-fi
lunar spruce
90mm guns were still in use when the Scorpion was designed + the scorpion was made by artists to look cool
modest marsh
And the fictional part is aesthetics for the sake of aesthetics which are then explained by an ad hoc science-concept
lunar spruce
maybe the scorpion was also supposed to be able to knock out transport craft
stable schooner
I wonder why Bungie decided to make the Scorpion the superior tank though.
Over the Wraith
lunar spruce
which is why it has a medium caliber fast firing gun and incredible elevation
wraith is a SPG
modest marsh
Wraith isn’t a proper tank
stable schooner
True but it’s used like one
modest marsh
It isn’t made for direct combat
Out of necessity
How often do you see Covenant deploying Wraiths like an MBT?
They’re usually long rang fire support
stable schooner
Half the time in Halo 2, 3 ODST, Reach basically every Halo however your right their often used as long rang artillery support.
modest marsh
“Basically every halo” doesn’t really describe what I’m aiming at here
First time we see a wraith in halo, it’s shooting at marines from the other side of a canyon
stable schooner
Metropolis for ex they drop the tanks right in front of you.
modest marsh
Yeah, because they had to
Master Chief was chasing after their most dangerous weapon in the city
stable schooner
True but that doesn’t disprove that they are used as Mainline tanks a lot
modest marsh
The situations seen in the games aren’t really representative of standard combat doctrine used by either military
Regret’s invasion force was very much impromptu
lunar spruce
its not like the covenant are the best at tactics on the ground anyways
modest marsh
Yes but that doesn’t change how they typically use their own units
stable schooner
Even Halo Legends has the Wraith unsupported directly engaging like against Ghost.
modest marsh
Those Wraiths were for targeting the human facilities
stable schooner
But we get the point the Wraith is not a sole mainline battle tank
modest marsh
The evacuation
heavy pasture
What would a covenant MBT be like?
lunar spruce
terrifying
lunar spruce
a hovercraft equipped with a energy shield and vehicle grade focus rifle
modest marsh
Not really
heavy pasture
Ah
stable schooner
Anti -Air Wraith OP
heavy pasture
Still, I would hate to go up against that
lunar spruce
air air wraith is good short ranged AA
stable schooner
Better then the normal Wraith against everything in Halo 3.
modest marsh
Anyway, yeah just get rid of the plasma mortar in favor of a particle beam or fuel rod based weapon system, and throw on those dual plasma turrets from Halo 2
heavy pasture
What if they used an upscale version of a focus rifle for AA?
heavy pasture
For short range
lunar spruce
they do on capital ships
modest marsh
Yes, but using that also basically renders the ship powerless for a few seconds
Not ideal
lunar spruce
pulse lasers shred missiles
modest marsh
Pulse lasers also take a ton of power
stable schooner
Focus Rifle seemed like a pointless rifle for ground Infantry Snipers
modest marsh
Huh?
heavy pasture
It gives you away
stable schooner
The focus Rifle being used as a Sniper by Covenant forces
heavy pasture
You dont want that as a sniper
modest marsh
It’s a multirole weapon
stable schooner
Which is dumb for Snipers
modest marsh
Who says it’s used for sniping specifically though?
stable schooner
No one but don’t give it to Snipers
modest marsh
This is where the whole “Covenant combat doctrine is different” thing comes up
stable schooner
And for that they have payed the price In Ground battles
modest marsh
Sometimes they want the enemy to know where they are
In the case of skirmishers who used them predominantly in Reach, the goal is to harass the enemy
stable schooner
Well that’s dumb logic for a Sniper. Jackal Snipers can be seen with them to though
True it’s not a bad weapon for Skirmishers
modest marsh
Their superhuman agility allows them to reposition quickly and discreetly while a teammate distracts the enemy
carmine sleet
The problem with the focus rifle is that it was introduced after the beam rifle as their sniper, showing that the Covenant clearly understood that snipers need to be something that kills quickly. Saying "Covenant combat doctrine is different" doesn't work here when their sniper rifles are clearly meant to be similar to ours in that they do high damage in a single shot. Sure, in other aspects their combat doctrine is different, but there are similarities
modest marsh
See above
The Covenant can do things us humans can’t
Perceived disadvantages become advantages out of their alienness
stable schooner
Giving a Jackal a Focus Rifle is dumb though can’t be denied
modest marsh
Why?
Focus rifle is still a very powerful weapon
And for that matter, it can be fired semi-automatically like the beam rifle
stable schooner
Cause your a Sniper. A Continuous Rifle for a Sniper is dumb. Beam Rifle Jackals are better in every way and fit the Kig yars great accuracy
With Beam Rifles I mean
modest marsh
Jackal “snipers” don’t really fill the role of what we consider snipers anyway
They’re aggressive marksmen
stable schooner
As a weapon for Jackals the Beam Rifle is clearly a superior choice
modest marsh
How so
“One shot kill?”
Jackals are still fast
They can run at 45mph and jump very high
The focus rifle’s continuous beam gives it additional functionality as a support weapon
At least in the games, it’s rare to see Jackal marksmen without accompanying assault infantry support
gaunt oakBOT
stable schooner
Anyways though Jackals are Physically weak and great shots the Beam Rifle is clearly the superior weapon for their stature. Gameplay and Lore.
stoic hamlet
I mean, the focus rifle is probably pretty great in lore
stable schooner
@stoic hamlet if you were a Sniper which would you take.
stoic hamlet
The beam rifle
But that doesn’t necessarily mean the focus rifle is terrible. It could serve an anti vehicle role, perhaps.
stable schooner
I’m not saying it’s terrible even though gameplaywise it is just that giving it to Jackals is a really dumb/ inferior decision
lunar spruce
how awesome would a full scale pelican MBT be?
we know it can carry the weight of a scorpion, so you could most likely make it into a flying tanks
abstract zealot
That’s what a condor is for : )
lunar spruce
fair enough, but the UNSC should have had those since they had the Pelican
modest marsh
It can carry an additional 70 tons, yes, but at a huge mobility penalty
Strapping weapons to it of that mass would see a huge diminishing return considering a gun doesn’t do you any good if you get shot before you can use it
lunar spruce
it doesn't need to carry the full 66 tons, just add a few tons of armor and the gun
that would weigh about 5-10 tons at most, and it would still be much more mobile than any standard tank
covie AA would eat it tho, just like everything else
versed helm
Base Pelican dropships probably already have comparable firepower to a scorpion anyway, when outfitted properly.
fair hazel
Vulture
versed helm
70mm chin cannon, full compliment of munitions launchers~
abstract zealot
G79H-TC/MA Pelican
versed helm
That's an awful lot of firepower. The Scorp's 90mm cannon wins out, but it doesn't have dedicated AA capability, whereas the Pelican can actually be swimming in ATGMs.
If I were a UNSC commander, I'd use them more as airborne IFVs than the battlefield taxis they seem to be. Of course, I assume the reason they don't often do that is AA considerations.
fair hazel
Vulture
versed helm
It's obsolete.
abstract zealot
The G79H-TC/MA Pelican isn't
fair hazel
What do you mean the vulture is obsolete???
versed helm
Shouldn't you ask the individuals in the Escalation story that involved them?
Infinity crew members thought they were obsolete. I think probably Palmer or other SIVs, though I can't remember specifically.
Also, a lot more firepower there than an MBT. Also a pretty big target.
The only problem I have the G79 is those ridiculous external gun seats.
fair hazel
You're probably misreading and misremembering
versed helm
I can handle the philosophy of a completely open utility weapon on a warthog - on a dedicated gunship, not so much.
abstract zealot
It's still a pelican that's outfitted for combat use rather than just transport.
fair hazel
But yeah then, vulture
abstract zealot
Was answering what looter said.
fair hazel
I was dismissing Looters's dismisal
abstract zealot
Alright
stoic peak
the Army was the only military branch in the UNSC not invited to the Hillside memorial ceremony at the end of the Human-Covenant War, does anyone know why ? It seems disrespectful not to invite them or for them not to show up.
They played a huge part as well, in a lot of cases they were the first to fight the covenant when they invaded planets and hold them off before the Marines showed up because they were already there
fair hazel
dont know why
versed helm
Basically what happened is that Traviss used Halo Nation as a source
And some moron who edited Halo Nation decided that the Army wasn't represented there for some reason
abstract zealot
Well I highly doubt anyone would know why as even on Halopedia it practically says they don't know why.
versed helm
Halo has a bit of an issue with canon problems sorta self-replicating. Atrocious headcanon getting turned canon by authors who use the wikis as a source.
They still find old headcanon on them to this day.
Originally it was more fanon than fact.
Both Halopedia and Nation.
stoic peak
So the Army was probably there ?
versed helm
I'd say yeah, personally.
But the best solution would be trying to engineer an interesting scenario which doesn't dishonour the UNSC to supplement what has been made canon.
abstract zealot
Well I'm pretty sure it isn't head canon considering there's a sourced quote about them not being there
stoic peak
Sounds like Halo Glasslands needs a Definitive Edition and re edit that part
fair hazel
calm down
versed helm
ExPo, would that source be Glasslands perchance?
Btw, I was wrong about the Vultures - I think. Gave the library editions a lookthrough - no idea where I got the impression they were obsolete from. Maybe another discussion.
Still, they're not used much, and if AA precludes Pelicans from lingering as gunships that wouldn't be good news for the Vulture.
abstract zealot
Yeah. I haven't read glasslands myself, but it's sourced down to the exact page so if I get to read the book I'll 100% be looking out for the quote.
And why are you saying calm down eric?
versed helm
The point I was making, ExPo, is that Karen admitted to using Halo Nation as a source for her books.
I remember seeing that Army tidbit on Halo Nation before Halo 4 had even been announced.
Go figure.
abstract zealot
Okay.
stoic peak
@versed helm why would she use Halo Nation ? Dont 343/Bungie give them stuff to go off?
abstract zealot
Well I don't really look on Halo Nation so I wouldn't know about that.
versed helm
Not always. 343 kinda jealousy guard the lore bible.
Recently I was editing the M52B body armor page on Halopedia. There were whole chunks of info that were referenced to the Halo Encyclopedia but just entirely made up.
I even went to the trouble of cross-corroborating with every other edition of the book outside my own.
Stuff detailing how the M52B was filled with shock-absorbent gel and had temperature control mechanisms. Complete nonsense - you can tell because nobody ever goes that deep into UNSC equipment lore that doesn't involve Spartans.
Just someone's headcanon.
That's why whenever possible you should go to discussing the sources themselves instead of heading straight to Halopedia.
abstract zealot
Well I'd love to if I was able to have the sources.
stable schooner
@abstract zealot the Casuals are blind Expo Rush but Looters will make them see.
abstract zealot
Okay?
versed helm
stable schooner
Lol no love for my Quoting. Halopedia still has the Ultra Spec Op Grunt as a actual rank.
versed helm
I appreciated your quoting.
stoic peak
@stable schooner the admins on HaloPedia do a very good job
stable schooner
@stoic peak to Quote ExPo Rush, Okay?
stable schooner
Dang your right it’s Okay
abstract zealot
Lol I saw that
stoic peak
both 343 and Bungie have said everything is canon unless they say it's not, so Ultra Spec Op Grunt would be a rank
stable schooner
A glitch is not a Rank
versed helm
They do an excellent job, but a lot of stuff slips through the cracks. Everyone who edits Halopedia obviously loves Halo, but I think everyone has specific elements of the universe which they're drawn to the most and understand the most, or just are most familiar with in general.
It takes someone with that specific level of interest to root out inaccuracies, and sometimes those people just don't come along.
stable schooner
If theirs zero lore on it it’s not a Canon Rank.
I guess the Honor Guard Councilor is a Rank to? Tough times for the Halo community then Forerunners guide us.
versed helm
There's a blurred line between what should and shouldn't go on the wiki.
I don't know, personally.
stable schooner
Spec Ops Grunt Ultra is suppose to be a normal Spec Ops Grunt. Honor Guard Councilor a Zealot. Dead Chieftain Brute on High Charity a dead Minor.
versed helm
I've always been of the opinion that Halopedia should double-down on in-universe info, but that ship sailed before I even had an account so 🤷
They just put up anything they can, but they should specify what's a bug and what's not.
stoic peak
If you want someone who really knows there stuff go to Halo Canon on Youtube or ask him a qustuon on Facebook
stable schooner
Of course when Halo 2A comes to PC I’m gonna turn the Honor Guard Councilor into a Light of Sanghelios. And make the Ultra Spec Ops Grunt a Actual Rank. Spec Ops Elites on the Gondola Honor Guards instead.
stable schooner
Actually scratch that since Lights Of Sanghelios will be Made a Honor Guard sub boss the Honor Guard Councilor will be replaced with a Councilor flanked by Lights Of Sanghelios on Legendary. I got dreams dreams so crazy I’ll add ally Brutes to sacred Icon.
obsidian thistle
Oh I think I know now
This image.
This lil guy is not listed as a Spec Ops grunt.
stable schooner
Notice how he has a normal plus spec Op grunt Backpack
Glitch
@stoic peak I remember two pages mentioning them but only this one does still I think https://www.halopedia.org/Unggoy_Ultra
obsidian thistle
Do note however that Spec Ops isnt really a "rank" persay.
stable schooner
Your right but that grunt is a glitch
obsidian thistle
One could say its like how Half-Jaw wears white armor yet is Spec Ops.
stable schooner
It’s cause it has a actor variant that doesn’t exist on the map.
So it defaults to that like how an Elite with the wrong actor variant becomes a Honor Guard Councilor
I won’t lie though the Grunt looks Epic
obsidian thistle
That said the Elite glitch was made canon thanks to the Encyclopedia that copied off the flawed 2008/2009 Halopedia.
stable schooner
Those are Lights Of Sanghelios Though
Unlike this grunt that Elite can show up with different types of armor
obsidian thistle
I'll check when I am able tomorrow (later today for me)
However, there is no harm in a "Ultra" colored Spec-Ops Grunt.
That said the image hasnt actually caused any text at all on the wiki atm. XD
I just checked.
stable schooner
Their isn’t and it actually makes sense but it’s not a confirmed real Rank or Ultra gear
obsidian thistle
All its caused is the image being added to the Ultra page.
stable schooner
also to be fair theirs actually White Honor Guards in Halo 2
stable schooner
No that’s the Glitched Elite Honor Guard Councilor that should be a Zealot.
Watch the opening cutscene to Sacred Icon in Classic the Honor Guards have white Armor. Their dead bodies can also be found in Gravemind in both Graphics
Infact that Elite has a chance of looking like them.
obsidian thistle
Its fine. Links be allowed. (I really need to rename those images soon under the Halopedia image sort project)
stable schooner
Thank you @abstract zealot that’s it
The fact that their own Variant proves their an actual Elite Type. Honestly I think Halo 2A did it wrong by making them normal Honor Guards
That and their of course now Lights Of Sanghelios in Canon correct me if I’m wrong
stable schooner
It can spawn with a Councilor Helm, a unused Councilor Helm in Classic, Honor Guard Helm, a normal Combat Helm with a normal or Rtas Elite face and With Honor Guard Red or Normal Elite Blue Lights @abstract zealot
gilded mason
@versed helm
They're attempting to imply that first Halo 5 trailer was actually for Infinite or something
abstract zealot
I know. I just sent that as one of the examples
versed helm
Oh okay thanks 😃 @gilded mason
stable schooner
Just saying all the variants cause theirs a lot
abstract zealot
Yeah.
stable schooner
So here’s a question are Lights Of Sanghelios based on the Glitched Elite or the Honor Guard Ultras?
obsidian thistle
Yes unfortunately. XD
inner basin
I’d guess it was made to account for those specific Sanghelli
abstract zealot
I think it is based of the Honor Guard Ultra and not the glitched Elite
stable schooner
Since the Honor Guard Ultras are an actual Elite Type I don’t know if the Glitched Elite pic belongs with them since as you notice he has blue lights not Honor Guard Red.
obsidian thistle
The Encyclopedia has it with the combat harness helmet. A config only possible with the glitch.
inner basin
Could the Elite still not be among the Honor Guard Ultras but an even higher rank, a leader of the Honor Guard Ultras. I think it alike to how the Silent Shadow worked, with the Blue Visor Elite leading the group, iirc.
stable schooner
Now what’s funny in Classic that main page Elite variant glitch does have Red lights and is the official look of the Elites in the Sacred Icon cutscene before they lose their helms to the Brutes.
Also sidefact I hate how in Anniversary the mandibles are red Like the Helmet but White in Classic.
obsidian thistle
Side note: If you do see stuff on Halopedia that is maybe off. Just give me a holla. I will fix or explain why to the best of my ability.
Kinda one of my jobs after all
abstract zealot
Hopefully soon I can help out with stuff on Halopedia.
inner basin
Do they not advertise that people like us lore nerds can help with editing? 🤓
inner basin
Yeah I created a Halopedia account to start doing edits. Just tryna figure where a good starting point would be. Any tips?
abstract zealot
I know they do. What I meant by that message is currently I'm not in a place to help with editing on Halopedia as we're getting ready to move soo and I'll be having another surgery. \
And the only tips I have is to have proper and official sources
stable schooner
Oof sorry to hear that man. The whole idea of Honor Guard Ultras is awesome you gotta admit.
abstract zealot
Yeah. They're part of the reason I really like the Honor Guards.
obsidian thistle
My tip. Read. See what you can add or fix. And make sure to source. I push that here in general also, as saying where you found said info goes a long way in proving its real in convos. :)
inner basin
Ahh okay, thanks CIA, I’ll make sure that advice goes a long way once I get home from holiday! 😃
stable schooner
You know I always wondered are the Grunts and Jackals in the beginning of Gravemind Rioting against the Prophets?
inner basin
I actually think they are trying to get close to the Prophets but the Brutes are defending the entrance. We also can see a Grunt climbing up a pillar to get a better view, showing support too as he raises a hand up whilst letting out a cheer of sorts.
By getting closer, it’s like trying to meet them (as if they were celebrities) as they are seen on fondly by all the species of the Covenant.
sage path
So anyone have that moment where you just want the character to find out something
So you end up reading fast and missing details
That was me in the beginning of Envoy
Going to continue reading now
stable schooner
Controversial opinion, Prophet Of Regret was the least bad Prophet.
gilded mason
Least bad prophet in general, or the least bad of the Hierarchs?
stable schooner
Hierarchs
versed helm
Hey
Any Covenant officer dumb enough to lead a fleet directly into the path of a full SMAC orbital defence grid is okay in my book
stable schooner
To be fair sending boarding parties with bombs was extremely smart for a Prophet
@versed helm
No Master Chief And Cairo And the UNSC Command is dead.
versed helm
Well there wasn't any other way to bypass the grid.
You can hear UNSC personnel talking over comms - the purpose of the bombs was to blow away the stations and get the ships through. Because of Chief, only the supercarrier made it.
Ultimately, Regret was a glory hound. If I was in his shoes, once I saw the defences I'd have pulled out.
stable schooner
Super Carrier? All Regret had was a CAS. True Regret was a Gloryhound but the other Prophets were playing him and he wasn’t a Brute fanboy.
versed helm
Sorry, I meant assault carrier.
You know.
The bigger, better armed version of a supercarrier.
Actually, I'm wrong.
stable schooner
Super Carriers are the strongest ships in the Covenant navy that Regret didn’t have
versed helm
Did not realize that supercarriers were 28,960 meters long
stable schooner
The Ship that invaded Reach that Jorge blew up was a Super Carrier.
stable schooner
Regret might have not gotten stomped so easily if he had a Super Carrier which alone is equal to a standard Covenant fleet.
versed helm
Well, it's easier to concentrate firepower on than a fleet.
But that's tactical semantics - why do people always compare the Infinity to CSO-class ships?
Obviously it wouldn't hold a candle.
stable schooner
And heck it’s not like they grew on trees the Covenant didn’t exactly have the ability to spam them. Their like Super Star Destroyers from Star Wars
versed helm
Well that's true enough. There's only one we knew of.
You could probably base an entire story around preventing the construction or use of one.
stable schooner
You honestly could
People don’t give Jorge enough credit he destroyed the biggest ship in the Covenant navy. Better then Emile who killed 2 Zealots then died.
fair hazel
Well in a straight up battle something smaller than a cso should take if againsf a super star destroyer.
Infinity is powerful. It did withstand jul ‘mdama’s fleet
versed helm
Infinity withstood Jul M'dama's fleet, but it also had a large compliment of strident sub-vessels.
Stridents are, if I'm not mistaken for the third time tonight, armed with heavy coil MAC guns and energy shields. More light cruisers than frigates.
Plus, Infinity seems to have had an unknown escort of ships including vindication-class battleships.
Phew
The stridents can be equipped with energy shields but are not always.
I reckon an energy-shielded strident would be up-to-snuff with a Covenant-war era marathon-class, just because of the equivalent MAC gun and the shield, which is sort of a second life against MAC fire.
fossil eagle
Oh boy hopefully we get to meet monitor 117649 in Halo Infinite.
inner basin
@versed helm, the Infinity did have an escort of Autumn-Class Heavy Cruisers at some point, but I’m not sure when exactly. The Autumn-Class Heavy Cruisers are also equipped with energy shielding, could this be the escort you are referring to?
strong sage
Anyone knows how much megaton worth the unsc navy missile nukes pack?
I know that havok are around 30mt or i think i heard that unsc uses the same amount of mt for mining purposes as well
inner basin
I’m not sure I understand what you are trying to ask.
minor forum
@strong sage are you asking about megatons of tnt?
inner basin
But what I came here to ask is who do you guys think will be the new protagonist after the Chief either dies, retires or disappears (which I hope the latter is the case for Chief). If you can’t think of a definitive Spartan (which it most likely will be a Spartan), which iteration do you hope to see/think we will see. I personally would love to see a Spartan-III protagonist like Owen-B096, Kevin-A282 or perhaps Rosenda-A344, or maybe just a faceless Spartan-III would still be good enough for me.
minor forum
I'm hoping for maybe the rest of blue team will carry on without cheif and Naomi to their roster to replace cheif.
inner basin
I think Naomi will remain in Kilo-5
inner basin
As for Blue Team, I’d rather not see them in a game without Chief.
(But that’s just an opinion).
minor forum
And I can respect that. If they chose to have cheif disapeer then maybe blue team could disapeer with him and that would remove having to deal with blue team without cheif. Although they did well on that front by having them team up with some of the more prominent Slll's and Veta Lopez
modest marsh
@strong sage Mark implies “a couple” Archer missiles is equal to a megaton
abstract zealot
I thought you said Megatron at first lol.
modest marsh
I don’t think megatron would be all too pleased with sustaining a salvo of Archer missiles either
fair hazel
The stridents are part of infinity’s complement.
And no other unsc ships were present there.
strong sage
@minor forum yess , its always on debate on forums where people tend to discuss about the firepower of navy ships in the halo universe people would always describe kiloton , megaton , gigaton , teraton etc xD
last anchor
I mean they're firing multi-ton slugs to fractions of the speed of light, thats not the kind of thing you describe in less than kilotons
Sir Issac Newton is the meanest mother in space after all
inner basin
Sorry for the late reply @fair hazel but in the FuD miniseries, when Infinity was first shown, just before a slip space jump there were Autumn-Class Heavy Cruisers along with it as an escort. I’ll link the Halopedia page for reference https://www.halopedia.org/Autumn-class_heavy_cruiser. If you’re too lazy to read the page you can just scroll down to the library section and see it. (Also sorry for the tag as I just needed to get your attention).
fair hazel
Except those ships were not there during the battle of Ealen IV
scarlet imp
What does everyone think that master chief's abilities are when he got them from the librarian in Halo 4?
limpid meadow
Hopefully Infinite will explore that
scarlet imp
For all we know he could have the whole magnetic gauntlet abilities the Ur Didact had.
limpid meadow
At the moment, we know he got resistance to Composition, and some other ability that let him hear the Didact's voice in his head (presumably a connection to the Domain).
The ability you're talking about is gravity manipulation, and is a property of the Didact's armor, not a power he has.
stable kindle
I think this will make an appearance, and further delve into Master chief going beyond his "human nature'.
inner basin
Oh I thought we were just discussing the Infinity and other ships we’ve seen with energy shielding alongside it, not Ealen IV, my bad Erick.
I am confused on where you were bringing Ealen IV from.
scarlet imp
Btw didn't the UNSC and like one of the brute tribes or something have like a peace negotiation?
gilded mason
Yes, there was a peace conference that the UNSC was aiding, involving Lydus' clan and the Swords of Sanghelios.
scarlet imp
Potential of Brute allies anyone?
I think it seems like a good concept in all honesty
inner basin
It was a peace conference between Hood, Lydus and the Arbiter. The Arbiter (and SoS) and Hood (and the UNSC) were already allied, but they were to meet with Lydus to try and pan things out with the Brutes (just Lydus’s pack of Brutes). It did go sideways when the Innies (Insurrectionists) and a Covenant group attacked the conference. There has not been a second peace conference since. This Battle was also were Paul DeMarco died (he was the Fireteam Leader of Fireteam Bailey at this point).
scarlet imp
I'm also wondering about some of the innies since there was a planet that held a forerunner cloaking device that was then grabbed by the infinity after cortana arrived i believe, which they also had insurrectionist scientists.
tidal junco
There are multiple graveminds right?
gilded mason
There can be, yeah. Though I think they all would share a single conscienceness.
tidal junco
So. Is the gravemind in 2 the same one who talks to us in 3?
gilded mason
Yes.
jovial temple
They all share the same conscience yes
gilded mason
He transferred himself from the ring onto High Charity, and then travelled to the Ark on it.
jovial temple
By means of pelicans if I’m not mistaken
tropic sandal
So each new gravemind has the combined and complete history of the Flood as far back as graveminds go?
gilded mason
Yup
tropic sandal
Mad
jovial temple
The flood is truly horrifying
tropic sandal
Like a living codex of horror that would make David Cronenberg weak at the knees.
jovial temple
I just found out yesterday about the terminals in the anniversary halos. Anyone know what that ship was that crash landed on installation 04 40,000 years ago?
Guilty spark stated the occupants never attempted to exit their ship
tropic sandal
According to Halopedia, as yet unidentified
tropic sandal
Spark's analysis determined the leaked atmosphere in the ship to be similar to the atmosphere on 04, so whatever was on the ship required air to survive.
jovial temple
There’s no way it could be human so forerunner maybe?
I hope this is explained in infinite or a future novel/comic
stable schooner
Truly the biggest mystery that interested me. Those terminals made me feel bad for good old guilty Spark
tropic sandal
Yeah I must have missed that (or just forgotten about it). Now I'm wondering. But 04 was destroyed, we may never know.
The leaks were determined to be caused before it crashed onto the ring. Maybe it was shot down, or damaged somehow and tried to land for repairs.
The Forerunners are supposed to have left the galaxy forever about 97000 years ago, 57000 before the ship crashed onto 04. So likely not Forerunner.
jovial temple
Or maybe there was no lifeforms on the ship
They got obliterated by the halo firing and the ship just been drifting toward 04
For 57,000 years
last anchor
Entirely possible
tropic sandal
That's possible. And ultimately kinda sad. It was sending a distress beacon when it crashed. Imagining an empty ship drifting for 57000 years calling out to no one. It did eventually stop sending it, which is when Spark built a massive tomb around it.
He never tried to make contact with any potential occupants, so it may well have been empty the whole time and no one would have known.
jovial temple
He scrambled their distress beacon because spark didn’t want anybody to find 04’s location
Which is interesting
He didn’t attempt contact and stopped the beacon’s signal from escaping
The ring
And the plan was to wait for humans “reclaimers” to arrive while maintaining the installation right?
So that might possibly rule out that it’s a human ship
Or support the theory there was no one onboard
tropic sandal
That's some solid logic.
Do we have much of an idea of what ancient human ships looked like? It's possible the occupants commandeered another races ship, so identifying the occupants by the ship design might not have been helpful. There's nothing I can see discussing the ships design. Other than that it looks like a Reaper from Mass Effect lol
lunar spruce
probably bricks with guns
tropic sandal
Case closed. Pack it up folks, we're done here.
Lol but for real, would be kinda anticlimactic if it did end up being empty
I could accept it, the logic makes sense. But still, the mystery
civic sluice
I agree
scarlet imp
Since its most likely on Zeta Halo, does anyone else think we might explore the Palace of Pain or find tribal humans?
tropic sandal
I'd be all for it. 343 wanna evoke tones of the original trilogy, which were all about finding ancient things locked away on a ring.
scarlet imp
Wait a sec i just realized, since its on a ring, does this mean there's gonna be a new monitor?
tropic sandal
Oh yeah. Quite likely
scarlet imp
Why has no one else thought about that?
tropic sandal
07 was hijacked by Mendicant Bias. If it had a monitor he would have removed it
Or was he the original monitor for 07?
I'm not up to date with his history so that might be a silly question, I'm not sure.
unreal plover
Off the top of my headI don’t think he was the monitor for 07
jovial temple
All the monitors seem to be dealing with rampancy so if there is one it should be quite interesting
lunar spruce
do you think we will see Created weapons and vehicles?
strong sage
After rereading again on John and Spartan II lore on Halopedia i just noticed something it must be suck and scary to be a spartan II trainers as seeing that lot of them got killed and injured in horrible ways lol