#lore-and-universe
inner basin
What I could gather from the booting up screen is that it was created by the Materials Group 10th February 2559, and modified by C. Halsey (Catherine Halsey ofc) on the 19th September 2561. The last bit I can gather is that along line 5, it looks like either the armour itself is in beta testing or just the VISR/HUD is in some form of beta testing, which could be why it may not be widespread, but that is of course if it isn’t widespread.
stoic hamlet
GEN3 has been prototyped since early 2558
IIRC anyways
It’s likely 2559 was the mass production date.
unique rune
Or at least as close as they can get to mass production with Cortana and her Creates shenanigans.
left depot
Not related to above but are smart AI expensive to produce/store? For example, would a ship designed to start a colony be able to be fitted with several inactive ones or would that be considered too high risk because the AI are too expensive?
storm flume
Unclear afaik. We do know that smart AI require an intact brain, which gets destroyed in the process, there may be a lack of donors. And then they go rampant in 7 years, so having multiple of them stored up is extremely redundant. I don't know if smart AI can be powered down to save time before they experience rampancy.
There seems to be no exception for disposal if they have seven years of service on them
left depot
I was imagining them being created but not "activated" in a sense until after the colony was ready. Otherwise colonising a system with multiple habitable planets would mean colonising them 1 by 1 or using a fleet of ships
This is assuming the planets needed an AI ofc
storm flume
A lot of systems would only have 1-2 colonizable worlds anyways
Having more than 3 would be exceptionally rare
left depot
AI stasis is a thing, it seems, also
"Following a simulated trial by other smart AIs, Iona was placed into stasis until a conclusive decision on the matter could be made" - https://www.halopedia.org/Smart_AI
storm flume
Huh, I'm not well versed in AI tech
left depot
I know enough about AI on a modern level, and the theory behind them, but in-universe and sci-fi in general I know very little about what's possible/proposed
It's an area of interest for me
storm flume
I might guess there's a not-insignificant failure rate for smart AI synthesis, it would better explain the seeming lack of them on anything except UNSC carriers
left depot
Would make sense if not every brain was compatible, some AI ceased themselves etc yeah... Alright, I'm happy to assume that they're rare enough and/or expensive enough then. Thanks
storm flume
I would love to see a Spartan-II turned into an AI
They're supposed to have highly exceptional brains
left depot
Would have to be one of the failures though, the brain dies afterwards, right?
storm flume
Yeah
left depot
So they need a living brain, either from a volunteer spartan failure or a dying one
storm flume
Basically.
dim imp
Well, Hashley didn't have any problem when she made Cortana from her brain right ?
storm flume
Halsey did keep all of the failures during augmentation in stasis
Well she maade 20 flash clones of her brain
dim imp
Oh
storm flume
And only 1 survived to become Cortana
I highly doubt the process can be used for a Spratan's brain
left depot
I'd like to think the actual probability is way lower than 1/20 and that Cortana was actually really lucky to be created
storm flume
Because flash-cloning is purely genetic, and the Spartans have a couple neural augments
I want to see an augmented brain turned into an AI
Is what I'm saying
And yes, but it wasn't made totally clear whether the 1/20 thing was due to the flash-cloning or AI synthesis, or both iirc
left depot
It's been a few years, if there wasn't a war it's not unfeasible to believe that AI synthesis has moved on, potentially to generating from a living brain without destroying it. If only there wasn't war
storm flume
Actually I think it was mentioned 2 specimens survived to make it to synthesis, and then only 1 became an AI
And no, I think smart AIs require the brain to be converted
Because it's an extremely similar process to Composing
Anyways I gotta get ready for work, sorry to cut the conversation short now
last anchor
@storm flume The AI in I Love Bees was made from the brain of a S-II washout
Does that count?
stoic hamlet
I’d say that can’t be canon anymore but then we have SPDR showing up in the new trailer so idk
pure furnace
You know if they create a new Cortana to beat old Cortana I hope the legendary ending scene will medican bais talking to offensive bais about how history always repeats itself then near the end say “that should change” like that would be so hype
carmine sleet
Mendicant Bias is dead if I recall correctly
dim imp
Mendicant Bias was in the Dreadnought, though we don't know what happened to that ship
carmine sleet
Aye, that's the thing, last we heard from him was in Halo 3's final terminal, after that, we haven't heard anything from him
autumn gust
Why does that mean he's dead?
alpine dove
Shattered.
vivid dust
actually I think a fragment of Mendicant was on the Dreadnought while the rest was on the Ark, so he reunited but he also dieded
dim imp
When mendicant was shattered it wasn't dead
"a fragment of Mendicant was on the Dreadnought" that's right, though about the rest being on the Ark... do you have a source or just speculation ?
alpine dove
During the Battle of High Charity in October 2552, the UNSC AI Cortana fought Mendicant Bias to delay the launching of the dreadnought, allowing Spartan John-117 to board it and return to Earth.[9] In the proceeding events Mendicant Bias was carried through the Voi portal to Installation 00, where the missing shard was finally reunited with the part that resided in the Ark's systems.[1] On the Ark, it attempted to communicate with John-117 through Terminals, claiming it sought atonement by helping the Spartan. Exactly what form that assistance took is uncertain.
The source is in the Halo 3 terminals
alpine dove
People are saying Mendicant is "dead" because of this quote:
“And so here at the end of my life, I do once again betray a former master. The path ahead is fraught with peril. But I will do all I can to keep it stable - keep you safe. I'm not so foolish to think this will absolve me of my sins. One life hardly balances billions. But I would have my masters know that I have changed. And you shall be my example.”
dim imp
I can say that I will die in one minute, but it is not true
Even if Mendicant said he will die, maybe that didn't happen 
alpine dove
The thing is, Mendicant accepted his fate. He's done all he can, and will. He doesn't find himself relevant to the course of our timeline anymore, with the Forerunners gone, and humanity pretty much ignoring him the entire time.
dim imp
Hum, no point to speculate imo, we just wait and see
Even if it is more likely that he died indeed
alpine dove
From: https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/universe/characters/mendicant-bias
After the dreadnought arrived on the Ark, Mendicant’s efforts helped lead to the destruction of the Flood and preservation of humanity. The AI’s current status is unknown.
Could just be dormant.
dim imp
Though I don't know how it helped chief
alpine dove
no one really does
full forge
So yeah, since the Ark wasn't destroyed in Halo 3, what happened to Mendicant Bias after his communication with the Chief?
sudden mica
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alpine dove
Bias hiberated.
Windows XP hibernation sound
sudden mica
lol
full forge
And if he still lives, why didn't he help during the events of Hunters in The Dark?
full forge
'-'
alpine dove
buh dum tiss
last anchor
The UNSC did rebuild the ark and its fully operational by Halo Wars 2, so its entirely possible Medicant is at least dormant there.
Perhaps hes going to communicate with the Spirit of Fire at some point
fallen fox
wait wait wait... Not the UNSC i think it's more ONI (sure ONI is part of the UNSC but, ONI is kinda idependant no?)
tough The spirit of fire meeting accidentally with the UNSC infinity is a thing That I WANT to see happen
wonder what happens to anders though
carmine sleet
It was a UNSC operation, ONI was involved, but it was mainly a UNSC op to fix the Ark
fallen fox
wait... why would they fix the ark?
carmine sleet
So they could learn more about Forerunner technology and use that to advance their own tech
fallen fox
well that's tru but also a bit... well dumb
because if they "reborn" covenant appear out of nowhere they could simply, build a new ring, like in Halo 2
Halo WARS 2*
humble yacht
I don't think the UNSC was sent to the Ark to repair it
Tragic Solitude repaired the Ark
and started a crisis that led to the UNSC sending forces to stop him
carmine sleet
My bad, it's been a while since I read Hunters in the Dark
carmine sleet
All thanks to Spark
fallen fox
the banished appeared and severed the connection to earth right?
wait spark... you mean 343 guilty spark right?
full forge
So how did Spark mess up flying a starship?
humble yacht
?
fallen fox
it's in one of the stories where guilty's Chassis, and with his memories returned he took over the ship and went to find the librarian
full forge
76% responsible or somewhere close for crashing the Rubicon and killing the entire crew.
fallen fox
nah, he just knocked them out idk how
full forge
...Reaad Smoke and Shadow.
fallen fox
The spirit of fire meeting accidentally with the UNSC infinity is a thing That I WANT to see happen
wonder what happens to anders though
Imagine the infinity having an extra jump drive xD
somber wave
What are we talking about??
fallen fox
wedk xD
somber wave
Uhh people talking about guilty spark I think
Continuing what I was talking about yesterday...
UNSC is making cheaper weapons
A battle or something was lost on zeta halo resulting in damage of the ring and so on..
stoic hamlet
Cheaper weapons?
leaden obsidian
So they are playing in a safe approach which explains the hub and suit
stoic hamlet
They can mass produce weapons at an absurd rate
stoic hamlet
There’s nothing indicating the MA37 is a cheaper version of the Navy’s MA5. If anything it’s the most reliable of all MA5 variants in universe.
full forge
I'm assuming it's not a MA37, but a modified MA5 or a new MA series.
stoic hamlet
It has the cowling of the MA37 though
It’s likely not a HCW variant
But it is undoubtedly, at least visually, an MA37
somber wave
No it’s different than a normal MA37
It’s not a placeholder either
The ammo counter is definitely a reach style but there are some different things further back near the stock like the magazine
It’s basically a simplified ma37 ma5 combo that’s affordable
At least in resources
Just because it’s cheaper in resources doesn’t mean that it isn’t reliable
stoic hamlet
Hmm, I didn’t notice the stock, you’re right
It’s possible that you can switch out the cowlings in the lore
somber wave
Ya plus it’s paint job LOOKS cheap
stoic hamlet
Maybe the various MA5 variants aren’t identified by the cowling but by the actual internals.
somber wave
Most likely although usually variants are very similar or else it would be a different weapon like the BR
obsidian thistle
Sources are key. If none say its a MA37 atm we cant say its one. #Wikimoments #Thingscanchange
obsidian thistle
And MA2B
somber wave
It still has a similar action
stoic hamlet
That looks nothing like the typical MA5 rifle yet belongs to the same family
The BR does as well
They’re all bullpups
Gas operated
somber wave
Yes but the br isn’t a MA variant
stoic hamlet
I know
I was just refuting the claim that because it has a similar action it’s counted as a variant
somber wave
Technically speaking the MA37 is still an MA5 variant but it’s different in its own way
obsidian thistle
If it means anything. Halopedia atm are just calling the Infinite AR an Assault Rifle.xD
somber wave
This one is different
stoic hamlet
But it’s called by its Army designation
It is.
But I don’t know if it’s an entirely new variant
obsidian thistle
Actually the MA37 we see in reach has recently been debated as the MA5C MK. IV
stoic hamlet
It could be a molding of two or more together
stoic hamlet
Didn’t you yourself not consider that inscription canon @obsidian thistle?
Or at least you mentioned it’s an oddity
somber wave
MA5C is halo 3 ar
obsidian thistle
Oddity yes
But hey if MA37 is the army name.
And MA5C Mk. IV is technical name.
somber wave
My point is: this new AR isn’t a placeholder and it’s not just the MA37
obsidian thistle
We have no idea tbh.
Thats the idea atm
Best not assume till we get a name or the AR has it on its texture.
somber wave
I’m just saying in my opinion this could be a new variant of the MA5
It’s too different to be just a placeholder
obsidian thistle
Changes can still happen.
See Halo 5 beta and Halo 5 final.
The Beta model wouldnt allow the scopes on the top
somber wave
That’s true but it’s still similar
It’s consistent
I’m thinking that the infinite AR will look at least similar to the MA37
abstract zealot
Hopefully Chiefs armor will change a bit when the game finally comes out. Right now I think Chief looks too...fat. Especially if you compare it to his armor in Halo Legends.
abstract zealot
Yeah.
somber wave
The pilot in the trailer is going to be an important character I’m pretty sure
abstract zealot
Probably gonna be a mix between Echo-419 and and Johnson. Lets take this to #483759756566069258 if you wanna talk more
fallen fox
Maybe they salvaged an old shipment of MA37 (it is the assault rifle from reach right?)
versed helm
That’s what it looks like. I haven’t seen it been confirmed. Maybe new rifles going back to a older design. Who knows.
fallen fox
Imagin they bring back every single weapons from halo 1 to 5 and add more guns to the load
As the tf2 engineer said, use a gun, and if that don't work, use moar guns xD 👌🏽
I would say they scrap some ships that got emped by cortana, or like, old unsc ship who got destroyed/heaviley damaged, and they took the weapon stash
somber wave
It’s not the MA37 it’s slightly different especially around the stock area and magazine
versed helm
Quite MA5D-ish, in those regards.
storm flume
Is it just the mag or definitely also the stock?
old hinge
hoping they bring all the covenant species into it, I would love to see all three kinds of jackles fighting together, or the two different kinds of elites(ones from halo 1-3 being one kind and the ones from 4-5 being the other). even see the drones return
storm flume
Maybe I have bad eyes, or at least bad eyes for guns, but the rifle in the trailer looks MA37 through-and-through to me, even stock and mag
Maybe a little rounder around the grip than in Reach
Actually the more I compare I think it looks less bulky around the stock and mag, like there's a layer of plating on it in Reach that's no longer there
Is that what you guys were talking about?
obsidian thistle
Hmmm well my main crux of the point is. Stuff has looked the same in the past. The Halo 3 M6G and Halo CEA M6D are near identical. So we cant just say stuff is one thing when the past has shown stuff "can" be different.
Plus it actually does seem the models are not final anyway. xD The Assault Rifle in the trailers lack the usual text on them. Something that may be left to when finer touches are being added.
Regardless it be nice looking. And I love the color scheme it has.
winged cloud
The CEA and H3 are the same model
obsidian thistle
Nah. They have different textures.
storm flume
Oh wow that's a really crisp image
winged cloud
Yes but same ingame model
obsidian thistle
Yea, but that doesnt make the CEA or Halo 3 model non-canon 😉
They are the same design. But different weapons.
storm flume
I think I would still bet on this rifle being an MA37, not a new model, maybe just a slightly different variant
winged cloud
Ye it does look alot like the Reach model
feral perch
I'll bet it's an MA58, and it's heavily inspired by the MA37
carmine sleet
I feel like it would more than likely be called the MA5E over MA58
feral perch
It's too skeletal.
It should follow the basic look of the MA5 series if it ends in 5>Letter<
carmine sleet
I don't think the weapon looking "Skeletal" would mean it would have to follow a different naming convention
feral perch
But it should
unique rune
MA37 is just an alternate designation for a variation of the MA5, so I don't see why that would matter.
feral perch
It's unique.
unique rune
tough fulcrum
@abstract zealot He looks fat because the armor is actually bulky, like how it was in CE. I like the bulky armor.
tropic sandal
I'm much more of a fan of the new bulky look. H4/5 armor was cool as hell, but I much prefer the big bulky look to the skinny undersuit with all the armor chunks hanging off it.
tough fulcrum
He looks like a huge super soldier, like a Spartan should look like.
tropic sandal
In terms of real-world function the Gen2 suits make much more practical sense. The range of motion in the joints is increased and the human proportions underneath are much more realistic. But the silhouette has lots of holes where the armor pieces don't touch and isn't as pleasing as the hulking tank-like appearance the new suit has
storm flume
When he dropped on the Pelican's floor in the trailer 👌 Mmm
tropic sandal
In my opinion at least
tough fulcrum
I like the new Assault Rifle, but I hope with these RPG inspirations make it so we can upgrade weapons..
unique rune
Chief’s new armor kinda bothers me with how ‘beefy’ he looks. Spartans have physiques more like Olympic athletes (last I checked), not body builders.
tough fulcrum
I imagine it's a new model of a MA.
Err.
Spartans from Greece were actually extremely muscular.
storm flume
It bothered me a little bit at first too but I'm already used to it
tough fulcrum
More so then Olympic athletes.
versed helm
spartans from greece were also heavily selective.
tropic sandal
Spartans in Halo are described as being more like Bruce Lee than Arnie
unique rune
Funny how I’m not talking about ancient Greek Spartans...
versed helm
If a child, woman, or man was unable to be physically strong, they were killed or sold.
Sparta valued strength and values as warriors above all else other than honor.
tough fulcrum
I understand what you're talking about, but Halo Spartans take inspiration from Greece's.
Beliefs and tone of their culture as well.
War machines.
versed helm
yep.
Halo is just a futuristic spin on the same things. Those not strong enough are killed during augmentation procedures.
etc
tough fulcrum
Also I hate references Warhammer, but Space Marines have SUPER bulky armor. And they're super soldiers as well. At least Chief isn't wearing that type of armor, heh.
to reference*
tropic sandal
Even so, the Spartans all have differing physiques as all other non-augmented humans do. Jorge was an absolute unit, much more so than John
tough fulcrum
But you'd have to be extremely muscular to handle the armor, which I believe is tons of weight.
storm flume
Kelly is supposed to be the fastest, so she's probably the most lightweight
versed helm
fire extinguishers fall under the reign of industrial manufacturing!
storm flume
Hopefully we see her in Infinite to get a good look on the range of physique 343 is going for with Spartans now
tough fulcrum
Well I'm sure the weight of the armor is nothing to a Spartan, you're forgetting they're SUPER STRONG.
So I'm sure Chief could run perfectly fine despite the weight.
versed helm
and the armor supports itself
tropic sandal
Don't forget that Mjolnir is a powered suit, containing servos and motors that compensate for a majority of the weight of the suit.
The suit's primary movements are thought induced so the wearer doesn't need to physically move it's bulk. To an extent anyway
Which is why tests on non-augmented subjects were so problematic.
storm flume
Mjolnir reads its occupant's brain and transfers their thought into motion. It's effectively a mech suit, but it's too powerful for non-augmented users.
tropic sandal
Was there ever any documentation or discussion about Spartans who spend prolonged periods in their armour needing an adjustment period when they finally take it off? John had been in his suit for years up until Halo 4. Moving using your brain vs using your muscles after so long must be problematic?
unique rune
I don't believe there's anything official on it.
Though I'd imagine it's not exactly necessary. Even if a portion of the movement or action is due to the armor, I'm pretty sure there's still enough muscle activity that any adjustment time would be minimal.
tropic sandal
That makes sense.
unique rune
Would be interesting to see a bit more on, though. I'm sure going from PAA-augmented movement to just regular flesh and bone would be a bit disorienting.
tropic sandal
The Spartan 4s seem to spend as much time out of their armour as in it, so it's likely to an issue for a majority of active Spartans
*not an issue
versed helm
I imagine there's a moment when the MJOLNIR comes off that it feels like something is very wrong with you.
It feels like a "skin" from what was described
Like, it'd be almost paralytic - you're not used to engaging your muscles, so your brain would need a second to sort of re-make the connections.
you still have to use your muscles in armor
the suit simply amplifies the force exerted
For precise movements, the SII's were encouraged to think and not do, no?
I'll get the text.
tropic sandal
That might have just been in the initial stages for new users
I'd imagine that after getting used to it, the line between deliberate movements and thought-induced movement blurs to almost nothing
versed helm
they're encouraged to think and focus as well when making precise movements
One thing just stood out to me, before anything else.
Describing MJOLNIR.
"There as a helmet and an integrated power pack - much smaller than standard Marine "battery sacks".
The hell does that mean. What might a Marine battery sack be?
Page 141, 2019 ed,
astral flower
I remember that Johnson was one of the few who wasn't afraid to shake chiefs hand
unique rune
Imagine if it was just a giant sack full of AA batteries.
feral perch
And it's actually a weapon; they use it to beat their enemies
tropic sandal
Pennies in a sock
astral flower
And s2 were just stronger without the armor,
Chief messed up an ODST after the "surgery"
versed helm
"Listen carefully to me, John," Dr. Halsey said. "I just want you to think, and only think, about moving your arm up to chest level. Stay relaxed."
"He willed his arm to move, and his hand and forearm sprang forward to chest level. The slightest motion translated his thought to motion it lightning speed. It had been so fast - if he hadn't been attached to his arm, he might have missed that it had happened at all".
Page 143.
tropic sandal
"The slightest motion translated his thought to motion" - does this imply the need to initiate the movement physically and then it takes over ?
versed helm
I see. Visualizing your movements instead of making them is a strategy to elicit only the slightest of motions, which the suit them amplifies.
astral flower
The games didn't show how fast that the Spartans actually were
tropic sandal
Gotcha
versed helm
yep.
So, I believe my point stands in its entirety - moving outside of MJOLNIR would feel paralytic and unresponsive, almost a little laggy, after long periods using it.
It would probably be difficult for a brief period of time to fully engage your muscles.
tropic sandal
It stands to reason that is at least most likely
But again, most Spartans aren't spending months/years in the suit. So it's probably not an issue to most wearers. Which is why I think it'd be an interesting topic to dig into, since it'd be kinda rare
versed helm
Very true.
obsidian thistle
Wait
WAIT
WAIT WAIT WAIT
I see someone in Johns visor
This aint our Pilot it seems.
tropic sandal
Yep, good eye
storm flume
I don't see it
tropic sandal
Nah that's a dude. I brightened it but can't upload images
storm flume
I was looking at the lighter bits to the left of the guy lol
tropic sandal
Might be holding a weapon? Hard to tell
Can I upload images. Or is that a mod only perk?
obsidian thistle
Mod perk.
storm flume
Probably just one of those easter eggs where the devs put an image of themselves in.
obsidian thistle
Or its a mistake. xD
tropic sandal
It looks like a real reflection of the interior of the pelican. Might just be a "stock" image so the visor isn't blank
Like the H5 armor menu had a photo of 343 studio as the stock reflection in the visors
Actually, given that the pilot isn't reflected in the visor, that's probably what it is.
The pelican interior for this shot is likely built like a film set, only what needs to be seen is actually built. No sense including the wall behind the camera if it won't be seen. So they use a stock image for the reflection.
obsidian thistle
That is also a possibility. But way less fun to speculate xD
Granted we dont see that shot in the trailer.
versed helm
It's very possible that Infinite will have Ray-tracing support
as it's shipping on PC and Scarlett (which was slated to have Ray-tracing capabilities)
storm flume
Oh man to see a Halo game with real raytracing
tropic sandal
I can see it now; stepping out onto Zeta, reminiscent of CE, the light breaking through the clouds of debris, casting shadows across the terrain
Imagine seeing a real sunrise on a Halo. I might cry just imagining it.
The sun, behind the opposite side of the ring, it's light split by the structure, casting a thin shadow over the inner surface, moving with the ring's rotation 👌
storm flume
At night you might see a glow at one of the edges of the ring, light reflected by the ring's atmosphere at the very edge
storm flume
(unless the atmosphere is contained by a wall, I'm not sure if the edge of rings have been described in lore)
tropic sandal
There must be a wall on the defined edge. Can't imagine anyone being able to, to quote Tyrion in GoT, "pi** off the edge of the world"
As cool as it would undoubtedly be.
storm flume
Yeah, but how high must the wall be is my curiosity
fossil eagle
@stable schooner since there's only one channel for this sort of discussion, we can take it here. Sorry for whoever's already in here.
tropic sandal
👍
stable schooner
I forgot this channel existed. The rings wipe out everything with a Nervous system that would definitely include Combat and I imagine Pure Forms.
But then it’s like theirs a lot of Infection forms left.
fossil eagle
Originally, Bungie intended for the Forerunners to simply be ancient humans, and that Reclaimer was a title assigned to their distant descendants as they would one day be destined to reassume their technology and culture. After 343 Industries took creative control of the franchise, they instead decided to divide humanity and the Forerunners into their own separate species, with the latter assigning the former as Reclaimers of the Mantle of Responsibility: which was given to mankind by the Precursors but was taken from them by the Forerunners following their devastating war.
storm flume
It might kill combat forms and Graveminds but infection forms and maybe some pure forms would survive, only to starve.
That's my understanding anyways
tropic sandal
Guilty Spark at the end of Halo 3 "you ARE Forerunner" makes that change awkward
stable schooner
What did they feed the flood in Containment?
somber wave
the precursors turned into dust which got “corrupted” and ancient humanity started feeding it to their pets which started the flood
That’s how the flood started
fossil eagle
Containment usually involved putting them into stasis - no need to eat.
Otherwise, they were fed ancient humans, courtesy of Master Builder of the Forerunners, Faber.
stable schooner
@tropic sandal lol right he’s like you are Foreunner but this ring is mine.
somber wave
It is kinda weird to think about but there was also an ancient humanity at least after the change
stable schooner
That’s a lot of Leftover flood though I imagine Sentinels were sent to wipe out remaining infection forms.
somber wave
I would assume
stable schooner
Flood don’t starve that quickly
somber wave
Although there would be a ton of flood spores
stable schooner
I debate the infecting power of Floodspores
Arbiter, the Elites and Marines all walked through that flood fog like it was nothing though I suppose fog does not equal spores.
tropic sandal
"One single Flood spore can destroy a species."
— Rtas 'Vadum
From Floodgate, Halo 3
stable schooner
Then Fog isn’t Spores is my take.
tropic sandal
I guess not. Rtas might have been speaking in hyperbole, but I thought it was basically over once a spore arrived somewhere
If it wasn't destroyed quickly.
storm flume
I never realized how much I didn't know about the flood lol
I knew spores were a thing from that line in H3 but I never really thought about them
tropic sandal
Given that Earth seemingly survived the Flood arriving, it might be a little less black and white when it comes to what constitutes an infection
stable schooner
To be fair Rtas isn’t exactly a master of knowledge on the flood turning species extinct.
First time he fought the Flood was CE
storm flume
Yeah, maybe immune systems can handle limited exposure to spores, but if bombarded by them too heavily, the infection takes over?
tropic sandal
No, that's true. Might just be exaggerating. A healthy dose of caution is good though
stable schooner
I’m just saying we never see spores infect anyone and the corrupted powder took generations to infect the animals fed it.
tropic sandal
It's confusing because we see humans and elites getting infected in seconds during the game, corpses literally morphing and coming to life in front of you. Maybe different Flood types infect at different rates?
stable schooner
Those are Infection forms though. Which are huge compared to a normal human.
tropic sandal
That's fair
According to the Graphic Novel - "The Sangheili Bero 'Kusovai was infected when he inhaled Flood spores. Because he was infected in this manner his rate of mutation was far slower than that done by a Pod infector, and he was not physiologically distorted in the same manner as those originating from the primary means of Flood infection are."
stable schooner
And when you think about it, A weak Infection form couldn’t even fully infect Jenkins
He inhaled a lot of spores though
tropic sandal
Yeah, looks like you're on the money
stable schooner
And heck even when Rtas went into the Qurantine Zone expecting flood none of his troops had masks on.
tropic sandal
"That stench, I've smelled it before" but I'm not gonna nope out and find a breather before we go further
stable schooner
Lol exactly
storm flume
I'm guessing he didn't know about spores until a bit later
Actually I do wonder how he learned about them
versed helm
I like to pretend they probably did use rebreathers.
You see an Arbiter use one in one of the terminals.
tropic sandal
When Rtas said flood spores, he might have been erroneously referring to an infection form
versed helm
The statement is no less true.
storm flume
I think that was my initial thought when I was playing Halo 3
versed helm
But flood spores very much do exist.
tropic sandal
Yeah they do, but in the context of the statement in the game it might have just been calling something by the wrong name
Without going outside the game for extra lore material, the closest thing you see to what you might call a spore is an infection form
stable schooner
Flood Spores are inconsistent and never in game do they infect anything.
clever yoke
Just curious, who here thinks that a spin off game or show centered around the forerunners would be cool?
clever yoke
true
stable schooner
A game like that would basically be a whole new series. The Weapons, Enemies, Vehicles.
autumn gust
If they do that I think RTS is the only way it would be feasible
Though a Sangheili spinoff is definitely further up on my wishlist
gilded mason
Though a Sangheili spinoff is definitely further up on my wishlist
Yes, please.
autumn gust
San'Shyuum ware would be amazing
Can't decide if I'd like that or a modern one better
unique rune
okay but
where’s my Unggoy Farmer game 343
autumn gust
Not until after we get Have S'Moa Tycoon, obviously
stable schooner
@storm flume San Shyuum War is just Fighting Prophets as an Elite. I think a completely new story as a Sword Of Sanghelios discovering something big would be cool. That way you could have Enemy aliens, Sentinels/Promeatheans, Flood.
storm flume
You're referring to new SoS right?
I know there was an old one but I forgot if it was during or before the war with the prophets
autumn gust
They could still involve the Prophets post-war if they follow the Shadow Of Intent's adventures
stable schooner
Yeah new Swords Of Sanghelios
unreal plover
Question, I haven’t read a Halo novel since Broken Circle, and I’ve read all the ones before that. Any of them worth reading?
gilded mason
Fractures is pretty good. Basically the next Evolutions. Also Last Light, Shadow of Intent, Smoke and Shadow, Retribution, and Silent Storm.
nocturne harness
are there diseases that the covenant species carry that could be deadly to humans and vice versa diseases we carry deadly to the covenant species
tropic sandal
All I can see (after an admittedly brief Google session, I'm meant to be working :P) is a few alien diseases listed on Halopedia. None of which mention transfer to humans. Or vice versa
But I imagine it's a real possibility. If it concerns real world scientists enough, (like what happens when humans eventually touch Mars and we bring our sicknesses?), then I'd assume the the Halo universe has the same concerns.
It just occurred to me how unhelpful all that was. I'm curious to know more though
unique rune
I don't think it's a topic that's really ever been touched on in the Halo universe, so it's pretty hard to say if any exist.
Though, yes, I'd imagine it realistically would be an issue in the Halo universe.
nocturne harness
inb4 human disease warfare on covenant
common cold and flu kill billions of covies
last anchor
Would work if the Covenant didnt have nanomedical tech, as we see in Broken Circle
tropic sandal
Unggoy already sounds like an alien sneeze
warm wren
That just made me die laughing 😂
versed helm
I know i asked this before but it still bothers me,how big was the Covenant's sphere of influence prior to the Great Schism,did they control territories outside the Orion Arm
abstract zealot
Their sphere of influence prior to the Great Schism was generally fairly large with them occupying thousands of planets (with all that we know of being in the Orion Arm). As of right now there is nothing about any Covenant controlled territories outside the Orion Arm as the most we know about what’s on the outside is that many Forerunner installations are present in the Sagittarius Arm. As of right now though nothing is really known regarding the other parts of the galaxy.
I’d say given the intent of the Infinity to be more or less a discovery ship, we may see more about the other parts of the galaxy regarding both Covenant and Forerunner controlled colonies, or even new faction colonies. Though only time will tell regarding this.
I hope that answers your question @versed helm.
tropic sandal
Did we ever find out what happened to the 2nd fragment of Cortana that stayed with Halsey when she gave Chief the fragment that we're fighting now?
carmine sleet
What do you mean? The only version of Cortana that there is right now is the evil one that came from a few fragments that survived the end of Halo 4. If you mean the fragment that we saw in Halo Reach, that one was assimilated back into Cortana
tropic sandal
Yeah I meant the one on Reach. Thanks, I missed that detail.
versed helm
It does beg the question..who lives outside of the Orion Arm
abstract zealot
It’s unknown who lives out there, but it does leave for the possibilities for new species/factions and new Forerunner installations.
inner basin
IIRC the Forerunners only existed inside our galaxy, not others galaxies. I could be wrong, but that’s what I’ve always thought
abstract zealot
To my knowledge surviving Forerunners fled the Milky Way, though it’s been awhile since I’ve read up on that.
But what he’s referring to isn’t outside the Milky Way. He’s referring to the other portions of the Milky Way called Perseus Arm, Norma Arm, Scutum-Centaurus Arm and as mentioned before, Sagittarius Arm.
inner basin
Yeah, I know. I’m just adding to it that the main Forerunner structures would only be within our galaxy
feral wagon
The Ark existed outside of the galaxy iirc
carmine sleet
It is but there's no Forerunners there
tropic sandal
As in not now or not ever?
abstract zealot
Currently it’s not now.
Most, if not all, Forerunner installations and or structures are fully automated with sentinels and any other artificial life.
That’s why the Halo rings have a monitor.
Rather than a living Forerunner.
tropic sandal
Does anyone recognise the IFF tags on the screen in the Pelican from the Discover Hope trailer? Obviously the Chief is S_117 in green, but the others all look to be A_???, like A_425 and A_721. I can't find any reference to that format. They're also quite hard to make out clearly.
Discover Hope Pelican screen https://imgur.com/gallery/2SiGNEK
abstract zealot
Could be other UNSC personnel that were either stranded or dead because of the ring being destroyed.
I also doubt any of them are named as they’re most likely place holders.
stoic hamlet
Pelican callsigns?
tropic sandal
While I tend to agree, by that same logic the line Local Ref Zeta could also be disregarded as such
stoic hamlet
Spartan III’s?!
tropic sandal
That's what I was wondering. Alpha company callsigns were A_
stoic hamlet
Looking at it, they can’t be
The numbers go over 497
They’re likely Pelicans
Or just placeholders
abstract zealot
Highly doubt it’s Alpha Company.
stoic hamlet
It’s not.
tropic sandal
No it can't be, that's fair
stoic hamlet
Pelicans or placeholders
tropic sandal
Sadly that's most likely
Just curious as they went to the effort to put the Chief's tag in, and everyone has really latched onto the Zeta reference
abstract zealot
Well, it makes sense to put the effort of Chief’s tag as most of the focus of the trailer was about Chief inspiring hope.
tropic sandal
Yeah that makes sense
storm flume
Because there are 7
And yes a sequel to 5
"Spiritual reboot" is referring to their focus on art and story direction inspired by the older games
We don't know yet why the UNSC is fighting on the new ring, but currently the predominant prediction is it's Zeta Halo, Installation 07, which has a hell of a lot of lore history on it
worldly haven
This ring is Zeta halo
unique vapor
Btw, are the 343 roles the actual 343 peeps?
storm flume
Yes
unique vapor
Sweet.
modest marsh
I’m out the loop with the current theory, was there any supporting evidence within the new trailer that indicates it’s Zeta?
storm flume
The Pelican's scanner screen said "Reference Point Zeta"
modest marsh
lol
tropic sandal
Discover Hope Pelican screen https://imgur.com/gallery/2SiGNEK
worldly haven
yea
modest marsh
Okay
storm flume
And people have been predicting it's Zeta Halo for a year now
I think there was something in the old trailer that also hinted at it but I forgot what it was
Morse code I think?
unique vapor
Surely some other faction would have found that Halo prior.
storm flume
The UNSC did
modest marsh
I knew that, just didn’t notice anything new
carmine sleet
I still don't believe that it is definitely Zeta Halo, if it is, cool, but it does mean there is a story thread left dangling from Halo Wars 2 that needs wrapping up at some point
storm flume
Apparently there have been researchers on Zeta Halo since 2555
carmine sleet
There has, we see them there in Hunters in the Dark
tropic sandal
A joint effort with the Sanghelli, right?
storm flume
I gotta go to work now be back in like 5 hours to discuss more lore
modest marsh
The Elites weren’t present on Zeta
carmine sleet
On 07, it's just UNSC and ONI. Trevelyan is where they have a joint UNSC/Sword of Sanghelios research operation
tropic sandal
That was it, ta @carmine sleet
quartz willow
It's been awhile since I've been in this chat
still ibex
Whats so special about zeta halo?
carmine sleet
It's the last of the original array that was built
still ibex
Is there any notable points of interest to it?
fallow lichen
it was where the primordial was located way back when, and theres also supposed to be flood containment
versed helm
So I was playing halo reach and realized that during the mission long night of solace we destroy the corvettes engine but it can still fly is there any explanation for this
carmine sleet
It's in space, it was drifting in orbit above Reach once the engines are destroyed
vivid dust
what about the fact that triggering the refueling sequence makes the Corvette go to Long Night of Solace?
carmine sleet
Good point, maybe an oversight by Bungie when making the game
tough fulcrum
I hope the Forerunner weapons do make a return in Infinite, just in a more classic style.
carmine sleet
Either that or the ship had backup engines, which is highly unlikely since we would've seen the ship activate the engines and use them to try and get away
Also, I quite like how the Forerunner weapons look in Halo 4 and 5, especially the light rifle and scattershot
unique rune
I don’t think the Ardent Prayer’s engines were destroyed, just damaged.
I’d have to replay the mission to be sure but I swear that’s what I remember hearing.
vivid dust
Well destroying them would imply the ship's explosion wouldn't it?
tough fulcrum
@carmine sleet#813 Yeah, but they just didn't look Forerunner.
vivid dust
eh I disagree
carmine sleet
I do think they sounded better in Halo 4 though, especially the incineration cannon with how it sounded like an alien roar
unique rune
I think I'm still very much biased towards Halo 4's Forerunner aesthetics since I got into Halo with it, so I really do quite like the way the weapons looked and sounded in 4.
tough fulcrum
Forerunner should be sleek, almost.. superior looking? The H4/5 guns just look goofy.
This looks more Forerunner then anything.
unique rune
Quite frankly, the auto-turret's design doesn't say 'sleek' to me...
humble yacht
H4's sound design was great
carmine sleet
Agreed, I miss allot of those sounds when playing Halo 5
winged cloud
H4s covenant weapon sounds weren't great tho
unique rune
I thought they were pretty good.
unique rune
I'm inclined to disagree, but alright.
vivid dust
Halo 5's Forerunner and Covenant weapons mostly sound super generic imo
stone lichen
Will halo wars 2 be referenced in halo infinite
still ibex
Probably in some way
I think 343 said they’re gonna do callbacks to other halo games in it
fair hazel
Forerunner weapons look great.
also yeeah that turret doesnt seem sleek. the lightrifle seems sleeker than that turret
warped nimbus
I'm sure the weapons will get some tweaks
inner basin
I hope Forerunner weapons and Prometheans in general don’t have the “floaty bits”, and instead look more attached kinda the way Sentinels are. Sentinels don’t have the “floaty bits” and are instead connected. If Prometheans return in Infinite it would be nice if they could look more Forerunner-ish
gilded mason
Talking Sentinels.
Where'd ya see that?
inner basin
What is that vehicle? It has NB-572 on the wing.
carmine sleet
I don't think that CIA meant a Sentinel that talks
carmine sleet
Also, that's the new drone that's apart of Outpost Discovery, Beast, known as the Honeybee
inner basin
Ahh okay. Looks cool. Doesn’t seem like a drone though considering it has thrusters (of some sort) on the back, but is cool regardless
carmine sleet
Drones can have thrusters, we just don't have any in real life with them yet
inner basin
I guess. What’s the purpose of the drone, do we know?
obsidian thistle
I think I need to check a few sources... cause I believe we seen a model of sentinel before in that HOD trailer.
unique rune
Is that a Retriever in that trailer?
carmine sleet
Looked too small to be a Retriever, maybe there's a variant that's much smaller
unique rune
It looks similar to the old H3 concept art Retrievers.
Three large "eyes", with a bunch of smaller appendages hanging off of the underside.
obsidian thistle
For those curious
carmine sleet
It definitely has similarities for certain
unique rune
The limb-things do look a bit larger relative to the body (or the body is smaller compared to the limbs), compared to Retriever/Strato-Sentinel concepts.
versed helm
Hey, how do Precursors look? What's the aesthetic of their technology?
tawny scroll
Anyone know what Operation: WHITE GLOVE is?
gilded mason
Operation: WHITE GLOVE was the code name for the contingency plans to destroy the Office of Naval Intelligence's CASTLE and SWORD Bases.
tawny scroll
Thanks
versed helm
Anyone ever read the codex entries for the weapons in Doom 2016 and get intensely jealous?
carmine sleet
Didn't enjoy Doom enough to care about the world so I never read the codex entries
versed helm
It's a different kind of lore, though.
It's real meaty, over-the-top gun-loving stuff.
Like, obviously they make no attempt at realism but they clearly relish discussing the raw power of those weapons.
A similar approach could work in Halo.
Like, random bit of Doom lore - did you know that the Delta 12 chaingun uses an argent-energy infused piston to compress gas in the firing crucible to over 220,000 PSI, accelerating the 15mm tungsten slugs it fires to a muzzle velocity of 5,000 feet per second?
That sort of juicy info is a real rarity in Halo.
obsidian thistle
Oh 343i hate giving full on stats. xD
versed helm
What the Doom gun lore does so well is work in the elements of its universe - in this case the argent energy stuff - and relate it to real life statistics to make it feel excessive and brutal.
Halo's got a ripe landscape for that. So much cool tech that's only hinted at that could give a really unique take on all this stuff and ground it not necessarily in real life, but in Halo's world.
versed helm
Only one of a potentially infinite variety of forms.
gilded mason
I liked the form the Primordial used that one time.
versed helm
@fair hazel si they are flood like.
Their tech? And Architecture, does it look like the Forerunners?
@versed helm Well, a Halo AR is actually a real life BR. And the BR has a weird cartridge, kind of like the real GROZA and ASVAL weapons
The Halo MA37, MA5C and MA5D fire full power 7.62 rounds
Right - but y'know, the things I'm thinking about is stuff like how do the "electronic targeting" and "recoil reduction" systems mentioned in TFoR function?
How are their 7.62 rounds different to the ones used today?
What's the design philosophy? And how straight-up killy is it?
I mean, maybe I'm just sorta bursting at the seams because I've got some fairly compelling headcanon for it - wink wink Eternal.
But I'm interested to see what someone who's paid to come up with sci-fi concepts might write. Which is the professional distinction.
stoic hamlet
I vote we implement a new rating system. 1-10 Killy value.
“This hand grenade has a Killy value of 8! Look at that Killy potential!”
/s
And yep, wink wink my friend. 😃
versed helm
I mean the Field Manual literally did that, but more poorly worded.
versed helm
Substitute "killyness" for, like, "firepower rating" or whatever.
stoic hamlet
The plasma pistol was one of the lowest numbers, for some reason
And AFAIK the values were going up not down
versed helm
Well I mean, at least we can interpret from that that the Covenant's sidearm does not in fact possess the ability to neutralize tanks.
stoic hamlet
Which means whoever wrote that number is a person who has no idea how the Plasma Pistol functions in lore.
Yeah
modest marsh
That would contradict Spartan Assault :^)
autumn gust
So... hear me out. The way Chris Lee words some stuff during his interview could indicate the possibility of Chief not being the only playable character. Specifically, he says:
"The briefing was the opening sequence for our campaign with Master Chief."
"[It's] the opening sequence for the game kind of launching the story of Master Chief."
I know it's a long shot, but both of those could definitely be read to indicate we were playing as someone else up until this point. Not completely likely, but maybe something to keep in mind. He never specifically states that it was the opening of the game itself, but always clarifies that it's the opening sequence for Master Chief.
Would be an easy way to show what happened on the ring up until this moment, and I don't think fans would particularly mind as long as we played as Chief for most, if not the entire rest of the game.
Also the Waypoint article could potentially back this idea up:
"The universe will continue the continuity of Halo 5 and in that sense contain the adventures that led up to this moment"
feral perch
I think you're reading too much into it honestly.
autumn gust
I'm just pointing out a possibility, nor arguing it at all
feral perch
Do you want to play as multiple characters?
autumn gust
I don't not want to. I'd be completely fine either way
tropic sandal
Conversely, as they keep saying "with the Chief", really driving home that it's all with the Chief, they could be reinforcing their point that this game is the Chief's story. Like "we heard you, no more Locke campaign, just the Chief"
versed helm
M0a, I would just like to say that I had the same thought.
And agree that something may be up.
Story DLC is a potentiality - co-op options are another.
autumn gust
It could definitely just be them wanting to emphasize Chief for sure
Though this angle would potentially allow them to give Chief a more solitary journey like CE while not just throwing away all the characters they've made and built up. I think it would be an interesting option. It will be interesting to see how the events building up to this moment are included either way.
tropic sandal
I probably wouldn't mind either way, if it were well implemented and didn't take away from Chief's story. If they do implement another character/s what I wouldn't want to see is the squad mechanics from H5. I'm not gonna bang on about how awful something from H5 was, there's enough of that going around already, I just hope we don't see it again.
honest vine
I honestly want chief to take the mantel of responsibility for humanity
It works be a fitting end to his character
Idk if this is the right Chanel to discuss this
unique rune
I'd rather he come to the realization that the Mantle is flawed and cast the philosophy aside...
gilded mason
Indeed
versed helm
^^^
gilded mason
Nothing good could ever come from the Mantle.
honest vine
What exactly is the mantel specifically
versed helm
The Mantle is a terrible idea. Let's just, y'know. Humanity! Frag yeah!
versed helm
Or y'know. Hinge-heads! Wort wort!
In the Halo 3 terminals, did it not say something to the effect of the Mantle basically being an ideology that disarmed the galaxy and made the Flood's job easier.
gilded mason
It did indeed
unique rune
The idea is that whoever holds the Mantle of Responsibility is responsible for acting as a guardian of sorts for all life in the galaxy.
Only issue is that it doesn't really work when it means that all life in the galaxy ends up with stagnating technological advancement.
gilded mason
And elevating one species above all others would probably breed a lot of resentment in the other species, on top of it being weird that a species as a whole would be worthy of something like that.
storm flume
It did breed resentment. The Forerunners got mad because Humanity was chosen to be the inheritors of the Mantle
storm flume
Yeah they didn't seem like the wisest species
Just the most powerful at one time
Although all lore surrounding them should be taken with a grain of salt
I for one refuse to believe they just let themselves be slaughtered by the Forerunners
If they were higher in tier than the Forerunners
There had to be a reason other than shock or belief in pacifism or whatever
storm flume
"but we're gonna go ahead and let you kill us and usurp it anyways"
If the Mantle was really the same idea as it is now, they should have blasted the Forerunners back to the stone age, like the Forerunners did to humanity
Which is why I think the Mantle wasn't the same thing back then. I think it was warped over the generations by Forerunner ideology
unique rune
Most likely, yeah. Their interpretation of it wasn’t exactly ideal...
storm flume
It's also possible it's completely a Forerunner fabrication
The only sources of info from before the firing of the Halo Array are the Forerunners
I haven't read the Forerunner Saga yet though
So do take my thoughts with a grain of salt
stable schooner
You know I always wonder why Bungie decided to make Rtas as Spec Ops Commander a Ultra and not a Zealot, then again Thel was showed as a Zealot earlier in-game.
last anchor
Rtas is more tactical. Zealots are, as their name suggests, more religious than military in their orders. They're...zealots.
Rtas is a field commander. He lives to slay the enemy. He could care less about the religious aspect of it.
stable schooner
@last anchor Zealots are also Field Commanders And Fleet Masters. I imagine though being Spec Ops Commander while highly ranked is not seen as the most honorable Elite position or as high as Zealots overall in the ranking Chain since the Spec Ops are their own branch.
last anchor
Yeah, that makes sense
versed helm
I'm embarking on my Halo Lore journey today. Wish me luck.
unique rune
Have fun!
fair hazel
Good luck! If you need guides! Ask in this section!
versed helm
I just wonder..since Rtas lost two of his mandibles,how does he eat
unique rune
He tries his best.
analog violet
Does rtas have some kind of ptsd from the flood? Or maybe for his mandibles and he always has the plating on his other two out of fear of losing them
versed helm
I imagine he probably isn't overly fond of them, though he's never been explicitly indicated to have any kind of trauma.
But who wouldn't have a few nightmares after going through that?
God knows what goes through the Chief's head when he's drifting out alone in space, facing death with nothing to do xD
fossil eagle
John was very much spooked by the Flood.
It's one of the few things that has made him lose his temper, and it was almost responsible for killing him in Halo: The Flood. Too bad his fear and 90% of his character gets thrown out the window in Halo 2 and 3.
full forge
His mandibles were not completely lost.
storm flume
I want a novelization(s) of 2 and 3
Is that a weird opinion?
I know the Flood wasn't too well recieved once upon a time but now it's regarded as a much better source for what happened on Installation 04 than the game
mental nimbus
Not really (at least in circles like this one), I've seen people asking about that for years now
It's not something I'm really interested in myself though
storm flume
I'm particularly interested in how the friendship between John and Thel developed. H3 just puts you through missions together but you don't really see them interact too much verbally.
I can see calling each other "comrades," but Arby specifically calls him a "friend" in H2A terminals
analog violet
That would be very nice
To see how arby and chief got along
And how in h5
Arby actually asked locke to say hello to chief from his side
I think he did
It's been a while since I played that hot mess
keen parcel
Yes specially narrated from Arby's perspective, a series of books from Reach to Infinite would work wonders.
I believe their friendship developed mostly offscreen, aboard the Shadow of Intent. Arbiter began trying many human weapons then.
stoic hamlet
Technically a small part of H2 was novelized, in Evolutions.
Specifically the level Metropolis
lunar condor
afaik in the book Halo Bad Blood in the beginning there is a section where Thel and John are eating together and sharing stories/catching up. I thought it was a nice touch, hope to see more of that in the future.
humble yacht
John be like "Yeah we drifted to this Forerunner planet. And some of your peeps were there, under the command of some guy called The Didact's Hand"
And Thel be like, "Oh I knew him, he was just the worst."
full forge
I like the GS in Renegades.
Also, why does Osman put up with the decrepit failures of ONI in Renegades?
storm flume
I don't know but I want to mention that the white armor on the left looks sick
modest marsh
Interesting way to hold a shotgun
versed helm
He looks like he's considering whether or not to shoot his buddy
carmine sleet
His buddy stole the sniper last game, that's why he's considering it
gilded mason
You mean release order, or in-universe timeline order?
storm flume
@wintry galleon Here
wintry galleon
yo
storm flume
There's no chat slowdown, and this is the more appropriate chat
Cole Protocol covers the start of the Human-Covenant war
wintry galleon
yes, i reckon'd this is more appropriate but holy hell 15s?
storm flume
That's where I'd start if not by release date
carmine sleet
Silentium
storm flume
The Forerunner Saga technically starts first chronologically, but it won't make as much sense unless you understand quite a bit about the Halo universe already
wintry galleon
That's about the Flood-Forerunner War right?
carmine sleet
It is
tawny cypress
I understand quite a bit
wintry galleon
I'm quite a big fan of Halo :>
tawny cypress
I just watch vids and read on halopedia n stuff
wintry galleon
I kinda know the whole story so I'm interested about the additional lore the books provide
tawny cypress
Same pretty much
storm flume
It's a lot more reading material than the wiki that's for sure
autumn verge
Anybody know when Fred and Kelly got their armor upgraded from mark iv to v?
Was it before or after John?
storm flume
I think it was around the same time
I thought all the 25 Spartans got upgraded for RED FLAG, but I don't actually remember anything specifically stating they did.
obsidian thistle
Around the same time. No reason not to get updated tbh.
storm flume
Oh actually when John crashed the Pelican into Gamma station, his shields saved him. I assume James and Linda would have suffered considerable injuries if they didn't also have shields.
So yeah I'd then assume that all the Spartans got upgraded for RED FLAG
fair hazel
@obsidian thistle How sure are we that the PAris-Class used M910 Rampart?
fossil eagle
Halopedia's page on the Rampart cited page 25 of Halo Warfleets. Unfortunately, I don't have that book.
gilded mason
Hm. Page 25 is about the Pillar of Autumn having M910 Rampart guns.
fossil eagle
Hmmm never mind I'm just an idiot.
unique rune
Looks like it's probably an assumption based on the visual similarities between the Paris-class point-defense guns and M910s?
fossil eagle
Aside from the in-game model, there doesn't appear to be any confirmation that the Paris class uses M910s. The Charon class uses slimmed-down M870s, but bare in mind that the Charon is a light frigate whereas the Paris is a heavy frigate, even though they both use the same calibre (50mm) in their point-defence networks.
unique rune
Interesting how Waypoint's Universe entry on UNSC frigates just mentions M870s.
fair hazel
rampart
Honestly one of the things that has me what, is how the Strident goes down to having only 2 archer missile pods from the 50 paris class seems to caryr
Or, 26?
where does the fifty even come form!
versed helm
Who here thinks that Master Chiefs new AI is roland@
fossil eagle
The two Archer missile pods thing is cited from Halo Warfleets.
storm flume
I know HiddenXperia likes that theory but I don't. Roland just doesn't seem like that huge of a character that he can so easily fill Cortana's previous role.
Don't get me wrong I think Roland is cool but he's just not that cool you get me?
modest marsh
Roland is Infinity’s AI
storm flume
Yeah, he belongs on Infinity imo. That's just his role
modest marsh
He was purpose-made for it
Presumably there are other AI that are better accustomed for assisting a Spartan in the field
storm flume
For him to become Chief's AI means the Infinity has been lost, which is plausible with the trailer, but that means humanity, and the galaxy at large, is really screwed
I dunno, it's just hard to see. I imagine it's possible for 343's writers to make something of him, but it doesn't seem like the best route to me.
Can't see him ever having any sort of similar chemistry with Chief as Cortana did
fair hazel
I wonder, do you guys think that Paris-class formations are usd with ohter frigates. for instance, arrowhead formation,
warm leaf
Random thought but what if chief just yeets cortana out into space? And finds the original one along the way
unique rune
What original one?
Created/Domain Cortana is the original Cortana.
Rather, she’s the stabilized form of rampant fragments (or a fragment) of the original.
stoic peak
Whats the diffrance between the UNSC Army and Marnies ? And who is better ?
We seem to know of a few epic Marines such as Sargent Johnson and John Forge but no famouse Army Soldiers.
versed helm
I think the army stays on earth. Maybe?
stoic peak
@stoic hamlet explain please
versed helm
Well we haven’t seen a single army soldier.
unique rune
We have. In Reach.
gilded mason
We saw army soldiers on Reach
stoic hamlet
Basically all of Reach, events of Palace Hotel, GoO, Fall of Reach, Essential Visual Guide, the list goes on
unique rune
They’re the majority of NPC allies in that game.
versed helm
I though they where marines.
gilded mason
Nope
stoic peak
So whats the diffrance ?
stoic hamlet
Army are garrison troops, they seem to be the hammer to the marine anvil
Lotta tanks, troops, artillery, heavy weapons, etc
stoic peak
@stoic hamlet and Marines ?
stoic hamlet
Compared to the Marines preferring pelicans and small fireteams.
Obviously there’s also the difference in that Marines are deployed from ships
versed helm
Sooo the basic difference is that army soldiers are deployed from bases and marines from ships?
stoic hamlet
Basically it’s:
UNSC Marine Officer: “see that building there? I want it.”
UNSC Army Officer: “see that building over there? I don’t want to anymore. Also after it’s gone fortify the heck out of the crater.”
stoic peak
@stoic hamlet so Army Soldiers are already on the Planet where as Marines are reinforcements and come in a little later
stoic hamlet
Yeah
The Army prefers hard hitting warfare, or extremely unconventional engagements.
stoic peak
So who would be the more skilled soldier ?
stoic hamlet
Most of their gear is long lasting, reliable, and they appear to be trained to, when the battle turns against them, retreat and continue with guerrilla warfare.
Again you can’t really say
unique rune
Army because Marines aren’t formally called soldiers
stoic hamlet
Like an Army Airborne trooper is probably more skilled than a regular grunt, but an ODST might be more skilled than the Airborne in space, but the Airborne might run circles around the ODST on the ground
We just don’t know
Planets train their troopers differently
Some are trained incredibly well, like on Actium, Mars, and Reach
versed helm
Did the army engage the rebellions or that was only done by the marines?
stoic hamlet
Others, like Biko, don’t appear as well trained (not slouches, but not compared to their inner colony counterparts)
They engaged them
They were often employed as riot police, IIRC
especially after the Covenant arrived and refugees began overwhelming the inner colonies.
Usually however the marines performed direct action against the innies
As it suited their role more
remote egret
It's similar to real life too in that they specialise in different tactics and roles. You'd never ask the US Marines or the SAS to hold a fortified position just as you'd hopefully never ask the Army to navally invade an island (or a planet i guess in the case of Halo)
stoic hamlet
^^^^^
unique rune
brb calling in the Coast Guard for an air strike
versed helm
If they where riot police, was the army being deployed as cops in New Mombasa?
stoic hamlet
Some were sent to escort out VIP’s/fortify key areas
stoic peak
Can Marnies and Army wirk together side by dude and a battle?
stoic hamlet
Yeah
remote egret
For sure
versed helm
I’d like to think that the police in halo ODST are army soldiers then. I feel like they are to skilled to just be cops.
stoic peak
So they would respect each other ?
remote egret
yeah ofc
stoic hamlet
Well it’s important to note gameplay =/= canon, they could have been the first to die in most engagements.
remote egret
Like with other things they've always had to tone down the abilities of certain peoplein the games
stoic hamlet
The cops, I mean
remote egret
e.g. when Chief first fought a brute in First Strike (which i think was retconned?) he almost died and got choked to death
remote egret
Ah right
stoic hamlet
But it did also kill Grace
versed helm
The covenant weapons probably just go trough riot armor really easily.
remote egret
That's right, it's been a couple years since ive read it
stoic hamlet
One near miss shot from a plasma pistol has killed Marines in the lore
versed helm
Are some plasma rounds radioactive?
stoic peak
Nobel Team are army ?
stoic hamlet
Or at least wounded them massively
They were assigned to the Army but are under ONI Beta-5. @stoic peak
versed helm
Plasma round = sun passing by in a tiny little ball.
remote egret
Basically the opposite to the II's
stoic hamlet
No, at least I don’t recall @versed helm carbine rounds definitely are though.
stoic peak
But Spartan III's are not Navy like the II's
stoic hamlet
They are
unique rune
Spartan-IIIs were still Navy.
stoic hamlet
They’re under ONI
remote egret
Spartan III's don't use Navy ranks though
stoic peak
Thought III's were sepertae
stoic hamlet
Yes they do
versed helm
But wasn’t the hole radioactive round thing just a cover up by ONI? @stoic hamlet
remote egret
Warrant Officer?
stoic hamlet
It’s a navy rank
So is lieutenant
Commander, lieutenant commander, petty officer.......
Those are navy ranks
Warrant Officer is in all branches
remote egret
Yes but they're also army ranks which is where I was confused
I thought WO was only in army but my mistake
stoic hamlet
That’s plasma grenades @versed helm
And it’s not a coverup entirely
IIRC they are radioactive
But that was just used as an excuse for plausible deniability
unique rune
Carbine rounds are radioactive. At least Human-Covenant War-era rounds are.
stoic hamlet
Yep
unique rune
And then postwar rounds used in the T-57 Carbine changed that.
versed helm
Where the elites dying from radiation sickness or is that not explained?
stoic hamlet
As for your question about famous army soldiers @stoic peak we have Colonel Ackerson, Lieutenant-Colonel Mentith, to name two.
stoic peak
Ackerson was a sissy lol
stoic hamlet
Being hit by the round gives you radiation, not handling it.
Also it’s possible they’ve built up an immunity @versed helm
He didn’t break under torture and his early career was full of black ops, he wasn’t a sissy.
versed helm
ONI said that the firs gen “Spartans” got rad poisoning from using carabines .
But could be a lie as far as I know.
stoic hamlet
It was plasma grenades, actually
unique rune
For the most part it was a cover-up.
stoic hamlet
And it wasn’t a lie, IIRC. The lie was how much they got.
ONI implied they received far more than they actually did, which was a cover up for their augmentations
stoic peak
"Curiously, the Army was the only military branch in the UNSC not invited to the Hillside memorial ceremony at the end of the Human-Covenant War" why do you think that is?
versed helm
Surely something supremely contrived.
It'd be a hideous act of disrespect not to invite them.
gilded mason
That was Traviss that decided to write that, wasn't it?
versed helm
Could be that high ranking members of the Army objected to the whole state of affairs with the hinge-heads.
tardy zodiac
Guys i got some questions
versed helm
Caused a big fuss, ultimately made the best option be just to let it lie.
tardy zodiac
There is 'Artemis' class Battlecruiser on UNSC side in the Sins of Prophets
Does it really exist in the Halo?
unique rune
no
fossil eagle
Nope.
versed helm
Nein
It's like the dev's signature.
Just a bit of world-building input to make their mod distinct.
modest marsh
All Covenant weapons emit doses of radiation
They are, after all, superheated ionized gas particles guided by an electromagnetic field
lunar condor
I kinda miss how humanity used to be like the underdog trying to fight a technologically advanced enemy. But the story atm is also cool. eeeeeee
storm flume
They kinda still are, the Infinity is just an exception because of adopted Forerunner tech.
I imagine without the Infinity, we would still be screwed if the Covenant reunited and Swords of Sanghelios don't come to our defense (disregarding the whole Created thing)
carmine sleet
Well, humanity does have some good locations to fall back to at least, Onyx, the Halos they have research teams on (03 and 07). Plus they have made quite a few significant advances in their technology as well. It's still not as good as the Covenant tech in the war but it's much better than what it was
storm flume
Ehm wasn't Onyx uhh
carmine sleet
Well, Onyx isn't called Onyx anymore, it's now Trevelyan, named after Kurt using his actual last name. The UNSC has a joint operation with the Swords of Sanghelios to research the location
carmine sleet
Ah, fair enough
inner basin
I’m well versed in the lore, and one question I keep scratching my head at is; who was in the Spartan-II team deployed to Casbah City on Tribute with a Spartan-III Fireteam during the Invasion of the Epsilon Eridani System?
I speculate that it’s Black Team but I really don’t know for sure as they were also sent on another mission IIRC.
stoic hamlet
Could be Omega
Black Team weren’t at tribute, but they were deployed on operations involving it.
carmine sleet
Black Team were likely still on Line Installation 1-4 around that time
inner basin
I would say Omega, but look at the citations on this page on Halopedia https://www.halopedia.org/Battle_of_Tribute
(Note 2 in particular)
I just don’t understand how they had the time to do both
carmine sleet
Ah, I just saw the note. Also, this means I was wrong about Black Team being on the Line Installation at the time since their mission to Verge was before they were dealing with Line Installation 1-4
inner basin
Yeah, it was around the same time as TFoR
supple monolith
Out of curiosity do I need to read anything before jumping into the Forunner trilogy?
fair hazel
You got my ping cia?
inner basin
Got another question, if ancient Humanity and the Forerunners teamed up, would they have beat the flood or was the flood’s devastation inevitable?
versed helm
Was the covenant ever de evolutionized
inner basin
Who knows. Couldn’t find anything on it. CIA may have answers perhaps. The only thing I can say is that all the species who did form the Covenant only did so after the firing of the Halo array, after all life on the galaxy was reset and the galaxy was ridded of the flood threat. The only flood threat that was around after the firing of the Halo array and before the Halo games was when “Meddlers” as they’re called released the flood parasite on 05, but that was only bound to 05 itself.
ashen charm
Is there a name for the Marine in the E3 trailer, or is he not a part of the game?
ashen charm
My main concern is that he’s not in the game at all
humble yacht
based on the blog post, I don't think you need to be concerned about that
ashen charm
Nice, I didn’t read it yet, thanks
obsidian thistle
Oh? The Rampart one?
Oh that needs to be removed... for reasons that annoy me tbh.
@fair hazel thanks for pointing it out
fair hazel
welkcimne
versed helm
After rewatching the opening cinematic, I've come to the conclusion that the hitherto unintelligible line of dialogue that the pilot utters is something along the lines of "hunting for URIs." Now, the acronym "U.R.I." holds a multitude of meanings in our modern military, but I'm guessing it holds special significance to the UNSC ranks. What's strange is that the pilot pronounces it as though it were a full word; "You-Are-Ease." I'd imagine that this is another instance of military slang.
humble yacht
What’s the time stamp on the line you’re talking about?
versed helm
A couple of people claim that subtitles list the line as "I don't even know where he is." But, if you actually listen to the number of syllables in his sentence, that doesn't match up at all.
4:48
The subtitles also say 13:48 for some.
humble yacht
“Where here is” sounds like the last bit of the line he delivers
versed helm
Could be "hunting for where he is."
humble yacht
The first 2 syllables of that sentence are hard to catch but URI doesn’t fit
versed helm
He definitely says "hunting."
Don't think of it as "You-Are-I"
He pronounces it as "You-Are-Ease."
humble yacht
Even then, the number of syllables sounds off
versed helm
I count six syllables
humble yacht
After he says “there’s nothing left for us here”, I hear 5 distinct syllables
versed helm
I hear "hun-ting-for-You-Are-Ease."
Try listening to it and reading it at the same time
That helped me
humble yacht
I hear “where here is” as the last 3 syllables
Reading your idea while listening to it would introduce bias
versed helm
It would hardly introduce bias
humble yacht
If you are expecting to hear something while listening to a string of sounds, you could naturally begin to hear what you’re expecting even if that’s not what’s being said
It’s like the audio version of the blue black or white gold dress illusion
fair hazel
Yanny Laurel
versed helm
True, but that doesn't inherently apply to every instance, since I just tried it with yours and did not experience that phenomena despite "introduc[ing] bias." Now, you could make the argument that I'm biased towards my own opinion, which I couldn't deny, since no opinion exists without some degree of bias. But, that's not the argument your making.
I agree that being told you will hear something, and then reportedly hearing that very thing, can amount to a mere stroke of bias.
But, being self aware of one's very own proclivity for bias should provide sufficient resistance to said bias. Which is the situation we currently find ourselves in.
Regardless, the subtitles don't appear to accurately represent what exactly the pilot is saying.
feral perch
Can we just ask a 343i employee on Twitter what the heck he's saying?
versed helm
I'm honestly surprised nobody has tried to do so as of yet.
feral perch
Same. I don't have Twitter so
versed helm
Me neither.
feral perch
I wish Grim would waltz in and answer this heh
stoic hamlet
There are quite a few 343 employees on here, but I don’t intend to ping them
obsidian thistle
Yea dont ping em
stoic hamlet
pings them
stoic hamlet
Actually though I hope it gets answered
humble yacht
Well on the official Xbox youtube channel, the trailer has hardcoded subtitles (not auto-generated)
so if xbox added a captions file to the video, it must have been from the official transcript
humble yacht
Deviations from what?
obsidian thistle
Oh wait they changed it again. Originally a few days ago the dialogue where the music got loud was saying "In 4 years", later it said "Wherever here is" (which is where I got it for Halopedia)
Now it says "I dont even know where here is".
I'd say the last one is correct tbh now.
@humble yacht kinda annoying it did that but hey ho.
tough fulcrum
He definitely says "here is" @humble yacht
But the first word is quite hard to make out, It really doesn't sound like where.
Since I know German, It kinda sounds like Uber Here Is...
brittle trellis
so anyone else agree that we might see a precursor in halo 6 orrrr the primordial
tough fulcrum
i think they're playing it safe
cuz no new player will care about either of those characters
brittle trellis
true but my oh my. if they did
modest marsh
Then what?
brittle trellis
or even mendicant
he would be cool
if he talked to about him and offensive
he was in halo 2 and 3 soo maby halo 6
in like a terminal
im just hopeing at this point
tough fulcrum
HURRY GET EM MIDS
brittle trellis
lmfao
tough fulcrum
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