That cutscene never happened at any point in lore lol
#lore-and-universe
feral perch
heavy linden
They've said that look wasn't canon last I heard
That cutscene was specifically said it was due to lack of resources for another model afaik
Standin for mark 4
humble yacht
well i'd need to see that source to believe it
Considering they made SpOps cutscenes that used multiple armor styles
autumn gust
Armor styles which they had already modelled for multiplayer
heavy linden
Spartan Ops is set around Halo 5
That beginning cutscene isn't
It's before Reach fell
humble yacht
What I'm saying is
unique rune
Halopedia has a Twitter link cited, but it's dead now.
humble yacht
they made different spartan models for those cutscenes
they could have done so for the opening cutscene
heavy linden
For Spartan Ops?
autumn gust
No, they made different Spartan models for multiplayer
heavy linden
No
autumn gust
And used them in cutscenes
humble yacht
I doubt it was a resource issue
heavy linden
They used the muktiplayer models
humble yacht
The standard Mark VI was also a mulitplayer model
humble yacht
it was the classic look
gilded mason
heavy linden
The openings cutscene isn't mk VI either
warped nimbus
still better than what they used
heavy linden
Its mark iv
gilded mason
Source from Josh Holmes
heavy linden
It's Halsey reminiscing. Not something happening in the present
autumn gust
But it was multiplayer quality, designed to be used in multiplayer spaces. That works for Spartan Ops with certain armors, but it's not the kinda thing you want to open your game with. They wanted to focus on their new Chief armor, regardless of canon
humble yacht
Josh's statement is confusing because no other SIV wears that armor
valid elbow
So is Halo: Infinite basically starting the whole story over again from scratch?
humble yacht
No it's not
warped nimbus
why does everyon keep thinking that
humble yacht
it's continuing the events of H5
gilded mason
Josh's statement is confusing because no other SIV wears that armor
¯_(ツ)_/¯
valid elbow
Then it's just new-player friendly
autumn gust
It's pretty clear what Josh is trying to say
valid elbow
Gotcha 😃
heavy linden
S4s wear the armor they choose within ehat they're allowed to choose from. Gen 2 versiosn of mk VI can be worn if they choose and are allowed
gilded mason
It's pretty clear what Josh is trying to say
Yeah, it's the same model John has. So it's just a resource thing
humble yacht
that's a shame, then
valid elbow
Do you know where someone could catch up on the lore through video? It'd be a little complicated to find a list of all books and games to get completely caught up. I've played all of the games (except h5) in the main line (Reach, 1,2,3,3ODST,4) but I feel like I might be missing a few things
heavy linden
John is the only one shown wearing it because it makes him stand out in the games
But that doesn't mean hes the only wearer of it
humble yacht
@valid elbow I don't watch him but HiddenXperia puts out a lot of lore recap videos
unique rune
@valid elbow You may want to try Halo Mythos, then. It's not a video, but it's a book that compiles pretty much all of the major points of Halo lore up until about... the beginning of Halo Wars 2, if I remember correctly.
humble yacht
Well the canonical reasoning behind the new look suggests that it's unique to Chief, modeled after a Mark IV line. So Chief would have been the only wearer of modified Mark VI
anyone else in that style of armor would have only had a Mark IV
heavy linden
Which is what they used it to represent
That cutscene is before the S2s got even mk v
humble yacht
Chief's armor in H5 being GEN2 but still keeping the same look could suggest that they used remnants of the GEN1 version and just upgraded it to GEN2 specifications, rather than produce a brand-spanking new GEN2 set off the line
valid elbow
HiddenXperia kinda seems a little all over the place for my tastes, but that Halo Mythos sounds interesting
versed helm
Wow still talking about spartan armour
low idol
i like hidden's videos on flood lore
versed helm
Would flash clone brains be a lot worse than a normal brain for making an ai
humble yacht
no
versed helm
what happened to the second class of spartan-ii’s?
humble yacht
Cortana is arguably the most advanced human AI
versed helm
i heard there werent enough ppl
humble yacht
and she was made from a clone brain
versed helm
^ halsey literally cloned herself
humble yacht
yes, she broke many laws
humble yacht
She messed with the cloning process so that the brains of the clones grew up better, but at the cost other parts of the clones' bodies.
versed helm
so does that mean like
at one point AI’s were living people
just harvested their brain
gilded mason
All smart AIs used human brains as a base, yes.
modest marsh
Their brains are scanned
modest marsh
Cortana was created using a living brain
humble yacht
Auntie DOT, on the other hand, was a dumb AI
modest marsh
That’s what makes her different
humble yacht
no brains used to make her
For Smart AIs, the scanning process literally destroys the tissue
hence why they harvest brains from the recently deceased
because making an AI from a living person would kill them
versed helm
Harvest is such a creepy word in this context
full grail
what even is lore
versed helm
Well lore is just a fancy word for knowledge.
In a nerdy context, it means the backstory and information encapsulated by a fictional universe.
fair hazel
Cortana is not the newest ai generation
obsidian thistle
Atm we know up to the Fifth Generation.
In which Deep Winter and Endless Summer were part off.
Both AI only seen in Halo: Ghosts of Onyx.
tropic sandal
Am I mis-remembering or did the newer AI think poorly of Cortana? Not even like a generational "ugh youths" kinda thing, but they could predict her going off the deep end?
stoic hamlet
Weren’t BB and Roland part of a new AI generation?
hasty owl
HiddenXperia's really good if you wanna see certain lore (especially about Flood). HaloFollower's good for more expansive lore and tends to stick to a theme more often.
humble yacht
Roland is newer than Cortana.
gilded mason
HaloFollower's good for more expansive lore
Nah.
hasty owl
Fair enough then, I just like the videos
feral perch
Halo Canon is a good channel for a broad variety of topics related to Halo lore.
obsidian thistle
Or you could just use a wiki 😃
waxen slate
^
Reading gang represent
With both SPDR and AI anti-mess-with-your-suit programs in Chief’s GenIII suit (which were probably thrown in by Halsey when she modified it), I’m getting the feeling that Chief is to attempt to capture Cortana with his “Weapon Containment Device”
I think we’ve seen AI being referred to as weapons before
autumn gust
Other possibility: they're gonna go for a parallel with MB/OB and the "weapon" is a new AI Halsey created to counter Cortana in her rampant state
waxen slate
That’s actually super plausible
versed helm
that would be interesting
modest marsh
0483-0 vs 0482-9
versed helm
I would prefer any voices talking in your head throughout the game to be different from the past, though.
Not that I have anything against Jen Taylor - but I do have quite a lot against Cortana at this point.
Maybe give her distinct personality quirks from what we've been dealing with recently. Amplify the wry humour a-la the early days, or give her more of a Halsey-esque attitude.
gilded mason
Though wasn't Kalmiya created by Halsey as well? So it seems like it's not a for-sure thing any new AI Halsey makes would be like Cortana, anyway.
autumn gust
Ya the whole "Cortana model" line really confused me, even if Halsey made a new AI from a clone it wouldn't just be a Cortana copy
I could see a new one voiced by Jen Taylor though, maybe more dry to contrast Cortana's heightened emotions
leaden obsidian
Halo 5 ended with Chief and Lock see Halsey then it ended with a Cliffhanger and zoomed into the Ring then we got a latest trailer with Chief in space and brought back to life(Again...), and we meet a new character stating quote "We lost... We lost everything... There is nothing left for us here." We can assume something happen before the events of the trailer, and if I would have to guess after the cliffhanger they and chief where sent onto the ring for something important, and the game might explore that, but one thing that makes me curious. What were they looking for? Also it could be Cortana
Also Cortana might tell us what happened to get up to speed or we might find that out ourselves.
versed helm
I mean the key to all of this is "what the heck is going on with Cortana".
leaden obsidian
correct
versed helm
Because last we checked, she was intent on imposing her will on the galaxy, and Chief was absolutely prepared not to let that happen no matter what.
I'd very much prefer she remains treated as the foe she is.
A lot a people are dead because of her.
gilded mason
Indeed
carmine venture
lol. cortana and chief carried humanity
should be revered as gods for all eternity
gilded mason
hmmmm
unique rune
With the way Cortana is currently acting... no thanks.
carmine venture
I, for one, welcome my new ai overlords
leaden obsidian
But could that be a fake? It's a stretch. But in the trailer we heard Cortana say: "I chose you because you were special. I knew we would be perfect together." This could imply that the Cortana that fu- I mean really wants to rule, is a fake, orrrrr this one pure clone
leaden obsidian
Hm?
autumn gust
Well we already know that she's simply a corrupt fragment
unique rune
Cortana's screwed over any future AI freedoms, once this whole Created ordeal is over with.
carmine venture
could you just spell ut out, Im drunk and cant think of what word you meant
versed helm
That is true, M0a. Though as we understand things, no other instance of her survived.
leaden obsidian
the F wOrd
gilded mason
Cortana's screwed over any future AI freedoms, once this whole Created ordeal is over with.
Indeed.
autumn gust
Cortana's screwed over any future AI freedoms, once this whole Created ordeal is over with
I hope not. It would be super cliche, the UNSC should learn from this, not double down.
leaden obsidian
Well remember Halo 4 she split into multiple versions of her... self, wait...
versed helm
Yeah - I mean, they all should've died in the nuclear blast.
One got away by the skin of its teeth.
unique rune
The UNSC was incredibly lenient with AI prior to the uprising. I don't see them adopting that attitude after it.
versed helm
Though if they were going to introduce another Cortana, that'd be how they work it in.
versed helm
I mean it's unlikely given what we know, but it's a potential avenue for them to explore.
versed helm
Well the thing that created the current "evil" Cortana is rampant fragment + domain.
Which means that another fragment from the end of Halo 4 would have to both survive the detonation and find a way to renew itself.
unique rune
Is it a single rampant fragment or a corrupted reconstitution of several?
Because I always assumed it was the latter.
leaden obsidian
That would make since
gilded mason
I think I heard something about the latter, yeah
leaden obsidian
Vc
autumn gust
Either way, I'd assume if there were any others they were dealt with already
versed helm
Tales from Slipspace doesn't seem to indicate that.
But the story in question is obviously interpretative.
somber wave
Just a quick question, does anyone have an explanation for the destroyed halo ring in the trailer?
leaden obsidian
Uhhh
gilded mason
Something exploded!
leaden obsidian
Halo 5 ended with Chief and Lock see Halsey then it ended with a Cliffhanger and zoomed into the Ring then we got a latest trailer with Chief in space and brought back to life(Again...), and we meet a new character stating quote "We lost... We lost everything... There is nothing left for us here." We can assume something happen before the events of the trailer, and if I would have to guess after the cliffhanger they and chief where sent onto the ring for something important, and the game might explore that, but one thing that makes me curious. What were they looking for? Also it could be Cortana
Now this could make since if I'm thinking about it
Willing to hear?
somber wave
Sure
unique rune
I think it's a bit much to say that it's destroyed.
Just a bit in need of repair.
autumn gust
And it looks to be being repaired in one of the promo images too
somber wave
Ya h1 completely destroys most of the ring
leaden obsidian
A simple question:
WHY WOULD THEY NEED TO GO SENT A MISSION TO THE RING
Think about it
somber wave
Who knows oni probably
storm flume
I was gonna say "Flood outbreak?" But that seems like more reason to stay off and just glass it
somber wave
I mean they are crazy enough to try to weaponize the flood
leaden obsidian
No they are not
somber wave
Mona Lisa remember?
storm flume
They literally did try to weaponize the flood before
leaden obsidian
Then why do it again
unique rune
Well.
Emphasis on try.
They don't seem to have attempted it ever again after realizing how bad an idea it was.
storm flume
Yeah
somber wave
That’s true
leaden obsidian
Correct
somber wave
Just an educated guess
storm flume
Same
leaden obsidian
Bro
gilded mason
The feeling will pass soon enough.
leaden obsidian
Hm?
unique rune
I'm just glad this channel exists so I can use it to hide from the general channel when it gets... silly.
somber wave
Ya
gilded mason
I have everything on this server muted except for this channel
cursive olive
Thats alot..
leaden obsidian
Anyway back on track
storm flume
The way I see it, whatever is left of the UNSC is fighting a guerilla war with the Created. Which means there's something on the ring that was worth coming out from hiding for. Either asset retrieval or asset denial is my bet
somber wave
I have another guess to my ONI theory but take it with a grain of salt
storm flume
Thanks
gilded mason
I'm really hoping it's not just the UNSC that's fightin' the Created in this game.
leaden obsidian
BIG STORIDS MEN ALIENS
autumn gust
Asset denial doesn't make sense with the context, if they were trying to deny Cortana an asset then why does the ring being destroyed mean they lost?
leaden obsidian
sorry that what I call them
somber wave
They might be trying to bluff with it
leaden obsidian
The thing a value is gone too
storm flume
Oh yeah Cortana pissed off the entire galaxy. The Covenant Remnants would hate to learn that all of their gods' artifacts have been taken over by a human construct
gilded mason
And the SoS wouldn't be a fan
autumn gust
Jackal pirates are also probably pissed at the new Galactic Police Force
somber wave
Ya
leaden obsidian
They said they lost because they lost the only thing they need to fight back possibly the case
think about it
your fighting a AI
somber wave
They might’ve tried to use it to threaten the created
But that might be a bit far fetched
leaden obsidian
Does not seem like a smart move
somber wave
Ya
leaden obsidian
your just going to make them pissed
unique rune
Well, Cortana is located in the Domain, and we know that the Domain can be damaged by a Halo firing...
autumn gust
Ya, maybe fire it at Genesis
leaden obsidian
But since it broke
somber wave
Ya but that risks wiping out life in the galaxy
leaden obsidian
Right
autumn gust
Not really
leaden obsidian
Hm?
autumn gust
They can be fired individually
unique rune
Yeah, a localized tactical pulse would do the job. Hell, they could've even been bluffing about it, Cortana calls them out, and takes out a chunk of the ring.
Something, I dunno.
leaden obsidian
@unique rune You just got the plot my dude
autumn gust
Not risky, just has to be placed carefully. Not that hard to do with some proper mapping of the galaxy
gilded mason
Not that hard to do with some proper mapping of the galaxy
Don't think that exists for the UNSC or the Covenant
leaden obsidian
But still will cause casualties
somber wave
Ya
autumn gust
It does for Forerunner tech
somber wave
The local area will be wiped clean
leaden obsidian
Off the map
autumn gust
As far as we know the Orion Arm is the only populated area of the galaxy, and it completely depends on where Genesis is
somber wave
They might be trying to control the rings so Cortana doesn’t get more power
autumn gust
Just saying there are ways that could work
somber wave
I don’t think they are planning on firing the rings but controlling them
leaden obsidian
That makes since
autumn gust
But that still doesn't explain why they lost with 07 being damaged
If it was all about taking control from Cortana that should be a good thing
Might be something about 07 in specific
somber wave
Mendicant bias perhaps?
leaden obsidian
Some survived
leaden obsidian
Possibly
autumn gust
How does she get to 07?
storm flume
That would be nice but I'm not sure I like Cortana ex Machina
leaden obsidian
XD
storm flume
I'm already uneasy about the service number CTN 0453-0 on Chief's chip
(as opposed to CTN 0452-9 being original Cortana)
somber wave
A new Cortana module
unique rune
I didn't notice that it's pretty much sequential until today...
somber wave
She said in h4 she would be replaced
leaden obsidian
A clone/repair could be the case
leaden obsidian
I don't think so
But they are there watching, want to eat your organs, and alive
versed helm
sorry to cut u guys off but can one of u check #471742309994594326 please? ty 
leaden obsidian
Sure thing
versed helm
thanks so much ❤
storm flume
God I didn't know how much I needed people to talk to about Halo lore lol
I'm the only one out of all my friends that's deep into the lore
somber wave
Ya same here
bronze valley
What's a good starting point for getting into the Halo books? Just chronologically?
storm flume
I started by release date
leaden obsidian
Same
storm flume
It's pretty okay like that I think
somber wave
I wouldn’t know halo evolutions probably has a small collection but I would go release date too
bronze valley
God knows how many hours I've spent watching Halo Lore videos on YT. Might as well read the books.
storm flume
You can do out of order if you want, just pay attention to what books belong to what saga
bronze valley
Probably! lol
leaden obsidian
XD
somber wave
I have only 3? Maybe more but I don’t have many books
I use YouTube mostly
It works for me
leaden obsidian
I just watch vids and play games and piece things together
storm flume
I have 10, but 2 copies of Cole Protocol for some reason
I think I got one for Christmas or something, can't remember
leaden obsidian
I got none
unique rune
I just borrow the books from a library.
somber wave
Ya I have fall of reach and evolutions that’s it
leaden obsidian
N O I C E
storm flume
Lol good strategy for people who actually go outside sometimes
somber wave
Anyway about what we were talking about before
somber wave
Wait wasn’t the marine in the trailer looking for chief?
leaden obsidian
Let me rewatch it
storm flume
It wasn't explicitly stated
somber wave
He said something about going home
bronze valley
It didn't seem like he was explicitly looking for him. Seemed like he just discovered a signal on an open comm channel.
storm flume
But he was out there for some reason, and something about picking up Chief meant he could go home
somber wave
That’s true
storm flume
Maybe after what happened to that section of the ring, Chief was missing and the UNSC sent an order to find him before retreating
storm flume
The only thing that doesn't make sense to me is how that guy grew his hair out in that time
bronze valley
The HiddenXperia guy did a pretty nice breakdown of the trailer. Brought attention to a lot of details that went right over my head lol.
somber wave
Ya
versed helm
Halo Canon also did one too.
storm flume
Oh I didn't know he uploaded one
versed helm
He's typically the S-rank for details.
bronze valley
Can you link things here?
versed helm
I believe so, but it doesn't embed the thingo
bronze valley
That reminds me. I need to read the rules lol. I just joined.
leaden obsidian
Oh nO I'M s-tIEr foR INfo
bronze valley
versed helm
I was trying to relate to you, my fellow gamers
leaden obsidian
I was kidding
somber wave
Lol
somber wave
Kinda off topic here but why is chief using a reach AR
somber wave
Is that a place holder?
versed helm
That is deep weapon lore
storm flume
Was the closest gun I guess
leaden obsidian
Go on
somber wave
Cause the MA37 came before the MA5b
versed helm
Which is also known simply as the MA5, to the Navy and Marines.
storm flume
Did production of MA37s stop after Reach?
somber wave
Maybe he’s been out there since reach
versed helm
MA5A, I mean.
somber wave
Love the MA5B
Ya a bit too long
Maybe the UNSC is on a weapon shortage
Cortana does control mars
versed helm
Now, there's three options here - either that's a Navy or Marine-issue MA37 (MA5) that's used as a pilot's personal defence weapon in survival situations
That's a next gen MA assault rifle that's returned to the design characteristics of the baseline MA5
OR because of UNSC weapon variation, some units have always favoured the base MA5 and continued to use it. That might tie into the weapon shortage idea too.
storm flume
Ohh that's a thought, maybe they're dipping into stockpiled equipment now
leaden obsidian
That makes since
storm flume
Since they don't have the industrial power of the colonies anymore
Or even Earth
Any planet
versed helm
Though the reason why the gear shortage idea confuses me is that we know from HW2 that large UNSC ships fabricate a lot of their own equipment.
versed helm
One could assume that even a small frigate would have the fabrication capabilities to maintain itself and its Marine compliment.
somber wave
Not enough recourses perhaps??
versed helm
That indicates to me that UNSC troops typically use specific weapons and bits of kit because they're preferred, not because they have to.
But I could be conceptualizing it wrong.
leaden obsidian
(I feel like we are halo characters) I am just sitting here and listening
storm flume
Yeah, they can't stay in one place too long to go mining for titanium and iron and whatever other minerals they need
versed helm
Very true.
somber wave
Well there is the fact that Cortana controls a lot of the galaxy
They can’t mine there
versed helm
Though if a bit of gear truly was outdated, I reckon it'd be scrapped.
leaden obsidian
Why not go to another Galaxy
versed helm
Instead of stored for later use.
somber wave
Too far
versed helm
Unless caches of old gear were put away for specific use later.
somber wave
Ya so they are focusing on ammunition production on frigates
leaden obsidian
Now we know the state they are in
somber wave
Instead of firearms
versed helm
Could be 7.62 NATO, as is used today. In my book, it's most likely an advanced round with a more compact profile so they can actually fit the amount of ammunition we see in-game into the magazines in question.
storm flume
I'm gonna go to the bathroom. Have fun kids, but not too much fun
versed helm
Random lore deet there.
somber wave
Ya that’s true
leaden obsidian
Ok pulls out a dirty controller
somber wave
60 round mag looks like could hold 15
versed helm
Real life 7.62 NATO rounds have a case width of 1.2cm - to fit 36 in Halo 5's magazine, they couldn't be much over 8mm.
somber wave
Although it could be triple stacked
versed helm
In a double stack for the Halo 5 thing. But since the bullets themselves are 7.62, 8mm would be fine. Just means you'd need some really punchy propellant.
somber wave
Staggering maybe as well
versed helm
The Halo CE mag could never work. But the HUD does indicate a triple stack.
A triple stack mag couldn't feed, however, without unique mechanisms either in the rifle or in the mag.
somber wave
Ya too complex to be mass produced
versed helm
Well, not necessarily. 26th century here.
somber wave
Ya but the fact that they are still even using bullets in the first place
versed helm
But even with triple stack, the magazine would still stick out of the handle a little.
Or have a squared off base, more likely.
And be very wide.
somber wave
The mag well could be different
versed helm
Or auto-adjusting.
somber wave
Ya
leaden obsidian
Which could be why they guy said there is nothing left for us here, we are at the endgame, also they could steal covenant weapons
versed helm
But yes, about the still using bullets thing - it is a little odd.
somber wave
I’ve never nerded out this much before lol
versed helm
Personally, I think if the UNSC was going to have an advanced sci-fi weapon, it'd be grav weaponry.
leaden obsidian
I'm tired my brain is running low
versed helm
In addition to its roster of coilguns and such.
But just think of it - the UNSC has a lot of control over gravity.
somber wave
Ya
versed helm
They've got top-notch inertial compensation, artifical gravity - grav-tech is even used in the suspension of expensive cars, according to Battle Born.
So, potentially they'd have guns which create intense gravitational fields to launch slugs at a high velocity.
somber wave
Battleborn??
versed helm
Yeah, the YA novel.
somber wave
Ah
versed helm
versed helm
But it all depends on if those guns were actually more efficient that plain ol' firearms.
somber wave
I’m thinking a new type of propellant
versed helm
Yeah. Something next-gen, extremely efficient conversion of powder to gas.
somber wave
Don’t think they’d use the same propellant for over 500 years
leaden obsidian
They must of changed some stuff
versed helm
We had gunpowder, now we're in the age of smokeless powder.
gilded mason
Bungie used bullet-based guns in CE because they simply felt it'd be more fun.
versed helm
It is also entirely plausible that we'd just use good ol guns in the future, at least on a rifle-scale.
leaden obsidian
Ostral your back
gilded mason
What about my back
leaden obsidian
Pfft
versed helm
As long as we can incrementally keep notching up muzzle velocity, bullet characteristics, materials and recoil reduction methods.
Just enough to defeat protection methods.
Clearly in Halo's future, protection methods are starting to win out.
See: Mama Lopez's chestplate.
somber wave
The CE assault rifle doesn’t have a muzzle break but it’s recoil is really controllable even for marines
It is introduced later though
versed helm
According to TFoR's discussion of the MA2B, all MA5-series rifles have some sort of notable recoil reduction system.
somber wave
In the stock perhaps?
versed helm
Not a lot of room there - they'd already need a very unique bolt.
somber wave
Like the AA 12 for example
autumn gust
After 500 years, I'm pretty sure we'll have another projectile/energy source which is far more effective. It was just a gameplay-related decision. Only place I can see actual physical projectiles is in space, and even then it'll be more like MACs
storm flume
I'm just stayin out of this cuz I know nothing about guns, in either universe lol
versed helm
But the bolt still has plenty of room to move, and anything that slows it down would need to be in the stock.
versed helm
Well, the MA5 is unique even among bullpups. The back of its magazine is only centimetres from the back of the weapon.
leaden obsidian
I'm same with Whitepaw I'm not export on guns, but on combat, and stories that is my area
versed helm
It'd already need an interesting trigger mechanism and a tiny bolt to function properly.
somber wave
Ya hardly any room for the bolt to operate
leaden obsidian
and context clue caller
somber wave
It’s on the cheek rest
versed helm
You could potentially do something in which the bolt carrier is what holds the hammer down until the round is in the chamber.
But you'd need an enormously long carrier for a tiny bolt
storm flume
I think my expertise is tactical and strategic-level warfare
somber wave
In summary the ma5 is really complex
storm flume
I got that much LOL
versed helm
Yeah. Or at the very least, unusual.
somber wave
I like it it’s very unique
versed helm
But a constant recoil system is, as I understand it, something which mitigates recoil by controlling the speed at which the bolt strikes the back of the weapon, right?
versed helm
Maybe you could use some sort of magnetic system to assist with that. Hence, futuristic recoil reduction system.
somber wave
Ya
somber wave
Ya we got a little carried away there lol
versed helm
Uh, well, a weapon that is the MA37 or looks an awful lot like that seems be used by Spirit of Fire Marines, going off HW2 gameplay.
So potentially the MA37's cowling/ammo counter arrangement are coming back into favour.
Or more likely, classic MA5s never really went away.
autumn gust
This version seems more bulky that the MA37, I'm guessing it's just a new AR inspired by the MA37's modularity
fair hazel
I prefer the MA5D over the MA37
leaden obsidian
or improved ver. of it
somber wave
It might’ve been ditched because of cost
versed helm
I personally don't buy that just because the MA5D's rails have been exposed, it's more modular than other MA5 weapons.
I love it as a design, though.
fair hazel
Only one we see
i dont think cost would be an issue in that situation
especialyl since theyre going with mjolnir gen 3
versed helm
But I think that other MA5's just have a different cowling arrangement, or maybe magnetic attachment points.
somber wave
Ya
leaden obsidian
Lonk
somber wave
Ya?
leaden obsidian
grapple guns
versed helm
Grapple guns are good
unique rune
okay but
what about
tornado gun
leaden obsidian
Oh no
storm flume
Cost isn't an issue anyways because money means nothing to the navy in the universe at the moment lol. It's resource management that they would be worried about
storm flume
Ah
somber wave
Sorry kinda confusing
leaden obsidian
Brb, I'm going to the BR, so please bring me up to speed when I'm back please?
somber wave
I’ll try my best
storm flume
So perhaps there's something in the newer guns that aren't as readily available as the materials for the MA37
versed helm
GOOD POINT
leaden obsidian
K bud, and I like you guys this is the first time I actually enjoy myself with people, I'm going to savor this moment
versed helm
What's the big difference between the MA37 and later MA5s?
leaden obsidian
I'll be back before you know it
versed helm
The biggest difference?
storm flume
The ammo counter LOL
somber wave
Ya ma37 might be les resource consuming
versed helm
The MA37 has an optic on the cowling - a little camera sensor thing.
Later MA5s do not have this.
Their targeting systems are likely much more advanced and concealed.
And probably, harder and more expensive to make.
somber wave
Detachable ammo counter could be changed out for different optics right?
storm flume
Oooh maybe they're hackable
versed helm
I imagine so, yeah.
somber wave
Ya Cortana is an ai
versed helm
I feel as if smart-link systems would be very difficult to hack.
versed helm
I mean, targeting systems would be a subset of a soldier's tactical suite.
Probably facilitated by a closed connection between his weapon and helmet/eyewear.
A little like bluetooth.
somber wave
Ya that connection could be interrupted
versed helm
It's in the realm of possibility.
somber wave
So maybe iron sight could be in the ma37 for emergencies
storm flume
Could this be the same explanation for the classic helmet?
feral perch
It's a brand new helmet
storm flume
I don't know what 4 and 5 marines wore, didn't see them around too much lol
feral perch
wait, you meant his, my bad
storm flume
Nah I meant the marine helm
somber wave
Dorky nerf armor is what 4 and 5 marines wear lol
storm flume
Well yeah okay I getchu
somber wave
Ya
versed helm
Also btw, fun fact, the MA5D is one the variant of AR with visible recessed ironsights.
I'll link you to the Artstation page of the creator
Gimme a sec
somber wave
Really I didn’t know that
versed helm
somber wave
I’ve been eating candy this whole time and I need to stop lol
versed helm
They're visible towards the front of the cowling on some of those images.
Most MA5 cowlings probably have them in some capacity.
You gotta look down from above.
They're folded flat.
unique rune
I think I see what you're talking about. Interesting.
somber wave
I’m thinking the ma37 could be made mostly by stamped metal
And the others are machined
Thus it’s cheaper to produce
versed helm
That is a possibility.
Another thing I like about the MA37 is the design of the magazine.
it's a lot more boxy.
somber wave
Ya
somber wave
It looks cheaper
It has plastic walling
You can see it in The reload animation In reach
versed helm
It does - interesting.
somber wave
More reduced cost
Makes more sense than a MA5D
Which has metal walling
I think the reach AR in the trailer has been solved lol
versed helm
Potentially, yes!
Though I have been looking closer. And there are some minor differences.
The magazine is actually a little different between Infinite and Reach.
versed helm
I prefer the Infinite one, actually - you can see it really well on screenshots of the moment when Chief walks up to the holographic blue thing.
But it's likely the same difference as the difference between the Halo 4 MA5D and Halo 5 MA5D.
Regional/production year variations, or one's canon and the other isn't. Take your pick.
Depends how much you like variants, really.
somber wave
Huh I’ll have to look that up
somber wave
Perhaps an even cheaper ma37???
somber wave
It kinda looks like a combo of the ma5d and ma37
versed helm
Actually, you're right.
It really does.
Well, that's pretty consistent with what we've been seeing so far.
Classic silhouettes, 343 detailing.
somber wave
Ya
versed helm
Maybe the Halo Infinite AR is a placeholder?
somber wave
If you look through the chat we think it’s a new cheaper AR
unique rune
Doesn't seem likely.
gilded mason
Seems like a lot of trouble to make a detailed model like that just to be a placeholder
versed helm
If it’s cheaper that makes a lot of sense.
unique rune
It's not a straight reuse of the Reach MA37, so it'd be weird if they created a new model just as a temporary filler.
somber wave
Ya
versed helm
The ammo counter looks more like an attachment than being integrated into the gun.
Assuming 343's not rebooting a lot of the visual canon and stripping some variants away (which I'd like), it's a newer production model of the MA37/MA5.
Well, it’s always been an attachment.
Like, an MA37, but built in 2560 or whatever.
But it looks less cohesive with the rest of the gun, you know?
somber wave
Ya
unique rune
Yeah, that's always been one of the MA37's more distinctive characteristics.
somber wave
Me and looters think it’s a cheaper version of an MA37
versed helm
Personally I like the MA37 and don’t mind if it’s the new AR in Infinite.
somber wave
With some elements of the ma5d
versed helm
I've always liked the MA37 too.
versed helm
It’d be cool if all the guns in Infinite were a wide variety of models throughout the games.
somber wave
Ya but that would be difficult
versed helm
I mean, that'd be the optimal case of affairs, wouldn't it?
Instead of pizza skins or whatever paint jobs, you'd have an MA5B skin.
autumn gust
It's possible they could get it done by re-using assets from Halo 5
versed helm
I don’t mind the weapon skins too much tbh, but that is a really cool idea honestly.
somber wave
Ya as skins it would probably work
As different weapons though I’m not as confident
A cool idea nonetheless
versed helm
Also it would be kind of difficult and some guns would probably stick out, but I think it would oddly, work?
It would give the UNSC more of a rag tag appearance, like the Rebel Alliance in Star Wars.
autumn gust
WIth Infinite's mixing of styles, I think this is the only game where that would have a chance of working
somber wave
Ya sorta
versed helm
Right.
I mean, I've wanted to see a lot of visual variants displayed in the same artistic tone for a while.
Has the Covenant been confirmed to return by the way?
I assumed, if it was gonna happen, it'd be in a lore book.
But something very interesting is afoot in terms of visual variant lore, that much is almost certain.
somber wave
Probably
versed helm
And nah, no confirmation - but they're going to be back.
A lot of people want the Banished to replace the Covenant, and I wouldn’t really mind that honestly.
autumn gust
Very much doubt the Covenant will return, but I'm sure SoS and some species will be featured
I think the closest will get is the Created with some former Covenant species as allies
gilded mason
Has the Covenant been confirmed to return by the way?
I imagine it'll just be the Created at play, with aliens, humans, and otherwise in its ranks.
somber wave
I’d be surprised if the covenant DIDNT return
versed helm
An enemy faction drawing upon several ex-Covenant species with similar equipment and tactics is very likely.
autumn gust
We've defeated the Covenant twice now, we need to move on at some point
versed helm
Humans in the enemy's ranks would be excellent, Ostral.
gilded mason
Indeed
versed helm
Just shows we're part of it now.
somber wave
Ya
storm flume
I don't think they'll put humans against us in Infinite though
fair hazel
What Covenant though?
versed helm
That’s a neat idea but yeah.
unique rune
We know that a decent number of Unggoy are serving under the Created, so I'd assume we'll see former Covenant species as enemies in Infinite.
fair hazel
I feel like things could honestly go both ways in general for infinite..
versed helm
Covenant in this instance being used as a general term for militarized factions involving ex-Covenant species.
I don’t think I like the idea of Chief killing humans honestly.
fair hazel
Either them trying to go backwards/way different direction, or go with lore sensible stuff. I've seen hints for both and I don't know
versed helm
Big TFoR ooft
gilded mason
It's what he did before the Covenant came along
fair hazel
John has killed plenty of humans before
somber wave
There is a ton of covenant splinter factions
storm flume
He has killed a lot in the books, but I highly doubt they'll put that in the games
fair hazel
And he did even again when he was going on his missions between 4-5
storm flume
Besides through Friendly Fire
versed helm
I know it’s in the lore that he’s killed humans, but yeah, in the games it just doesn’t feel right.
fair hazel
It's part of halo
unique rune
The only reason John is a Spartan was to kill humans.
fair hazel
Like, it literally is.
versed helm
It's not part of the games, though. I understand everyone's perspective here, but it all depends on the execution.
somber wave
Ya the spartan program was to fight insurgents
autumn gust
I just think Humans would be boring in gameplay
somber wave
It could go bad or good
storm flume
It wouldn't be in the spirit of the games to put you against humans
autumn gust
They could definitely be made interesting, but other franchises have already done all the angles
somber wave
Ya
versed helm
That too, I’m curious how they’d even make Humans distinct from say, the average Grunt.
gilded mason
It'd be a bit silly to not see humans among those that flock to the Created banner.
versed helm
Canonically, it'd be a contrivance not to have Chief kill humans at some point in his major battles. But canon and what is fundamentally part of Halo's tone and soul don't always go hand in hand, as Halo 5 evidences.
Well, as some people say it evidences.
I take their word for it.
fair hazel
"spirit of the games", it just seems like a personal thing
fair hazel
what do you mean see halo 5 for evidence?
I don't want 343 to be tied by misconceptions, misrepresentations and so on. I want them to go forward.
versed helm
A lot of people - not necessarily me - point to Halo 5 as an example of a Halo game which doesn't capture the spirit of Halo, despite the fact that much of what occurs is heavily rooted in Halo lore and canon.
somber wave
It doesn’t feel like halo
versed helm
Just because something is in line with the universe, doesn't mean it should make it to the games.
storm flume
The games never had you fighting humans unless you were the aggressor.
somber wave
Ya
versed helm
Even in the Arbiter levels you never killed humans.
fair hazel
also we already fought
versed helm
Unless infected humans count.
unique rune
other than the one NMPD officer that you only kill if you have all the 29 other audio logs
versed helm
Then Arbiter and Chief have killed numerous humans in the games.
fair hazel
halo wars CE in multiplayer we fight insurectionists
somber wave
No but that’s just multiplayer
fair hazel
Seriously it does seem silly to me shying away from killing humans at all
versed helm
Well you don't have large scale engagements with humans in which you personally control a Spartan shooting them, exploding them and mangling them with your bare hands.
somber wave
Or training sims
fair hazel
Did I seriousl just said halo wars CE?
versed helm
Multiplayer has never been canon. Until Halo 4 and 5.
somber wave
Ya
versed helm
Halo Online’s multiplayer I think is also canon.
gilded mason
And like I said earlier, humans are gonna be in the Created. It'd be pretty odd if they weren't, so it'd make sense to face some, otherwise things would be feel just a bit contrived to me.
somber wave
Ya
versed helm
It shut down but it’s still part of Halo canon, in particular the armor sets and Anvil Station.
somber wave
But it doesn’t feel right to me
autumn gust
Actually Halo Online isn't canon anymore
fair hazel
Although the idea of, unless they're already there, people fighting as part of the created army's, seems a bit counter to what the created want
autumn gust
Anvil Station is only canon because it was mentioned elsewhere
versed helm
It isn’t? Really?
fair hazel
the created have an army.
versed helm
Well if the Created themselves can't hack the problem away, they rely on Prometheans.
storm flume
To be clear I'm not saying we shouldn't fight humans, I'm just saying I don't see 343 pinning us against humans in the campaign
versed helm
But Prometheans are finite, aren't they?
modest marsh
I don’t know about normal human soldiers, but I like the prospect of non-Spartan augmented humans
fair hazel
And I don't think they'd want their protectees to be doing the fighting
gilded mason
And I doubt players would want to only fight Prometheans in the game.
modest marsh
They could make for interesting enemies
fair hazel
prometheans certainly are more disposable and easily available than flesh people
versed helm
Alright, maybe. But the likelihood of us only fighting Prometheans is very low, considering 343's mentality.
fair hazel
Other factions that escaped the created's grasp
and are their own agents
I can see us fighting that
versed helm
Oh god that gets me thinking. AI can breach certain sets of Mjolnir right?
Well, Banished.
modest marsh
No
versed helm
And other mercenaries and do-badders.
somber wave
Ya I don’t like the prometheans the combat loop is so boring with them in halo 5
versed helm
Okay good.
fair hazel
Only forerunner AIs have shown such capacity if i recall Jon.
modest marsh
MJOLNIR has never been hacked wirelessly
versed helm
Killing knights was pretty satisfying in Halo 4 tbh
fair hazel
And even now, MJOLNIR gen 3 seems to have counter-AI software
modest marsh
And only hacked by Forerunner AI at all
versed helm
I think that’d be pretty messed up, especially if they used the armor’s own systems against a Spartan.
fair hazel
I like knights in halo 5, although wish their abilities from 4 would return
versed helm
Gives me Fall of Reach flashbacks.
fair hazel
So, there are things that give me hope that it will conect with the larger halo universe in a good way
somber wave
Ya
versed helm
The Knights in 4 were kind of boring tbh
fair hazel
The mention of SPDR
From one of the most obscure things, I love bees
in halo infinite?
that gives me hope
versed helm
I Love Bees is how you do viral marketing.
fair hazel
I've got worries, and at least that gives me hope
versed helm
I think the Knights gameplay-wise though are way more fun to fight in Halo 5.
somber wave
I just don’t like them in general
versed helm
Only thing I’d probably bring back is the different Knight variants, like battle wagons.
fair hazel
Those are what we fight
But yes I want more variants
Crawlers crawl again, watchers revive more, create more crawlers, etc
somber wave
And easier to tell the difference between them
versed helm
I think for the new Knights in Infinite though they should take some inspiration from the SPv3 mod.
somber wave
Different colors maybe
versed helm
The Knights in SPv3, although cut from the mod, look really cool in concept art.
versed helm
They look more robotic and angular, which I think is the way to go.
somber wave
They actually look like something bungie made
No floaty bits either
343 kinda over did that with forerunner stuff in general
versed helm
I never really understood the purpose of those little t-rex arms they have.
somber wave
Ya
fair hazel
Floating things are part of the aestethic. It should be here to stay as part of everything
they can likely be used to operate finer things
somber wave
Ya but toned down a lot
Look at one picture from h5 and you can find at least 5 of them
fair hazel
And the didact and prometheans certainly have their own style different from other.
unique rune
I liked how Halo 4 did floating parts.
Halo 5's Forerunner styling just really bothers me.
fair hazel
forerunner wasnt a uniform society
somber wave
Halo 3 forerunner design is the best in my opinion
fair hazel
some people say they liked halo 5 forerunner style and it was closer to classic
people say so many things
a lot of times in opposition
somber wave
With some elements from 4
versed helm
I think the issue with the Forerunner aesthetic in Halo 4 and 5 is that it’s just, grey, and neon blue, and orange.
somber wave
Ya
versed helm
When the Forerunners in Halo 1-3 used a wide range of materials, not just greys.
somber wave
They used more than just chrome and light blue
unique rune
Really? I always thought 4's was far closer to Bungie Forerunner aesthetics than 5's.
5 has too many pointy angular sharp things and circles for me.
somber wave
Ya that’s also true
versed helm
I didn’t really notice a difference honestly.
somber wave
Bungie has an established style that 343 took little interest to
versed helm
I will say though, I think the smart scope on some Forerunner weapons are kind of dumb.
fair hazel
Why?
somber wave
Ya it just kinda falls apart
unique rune
The same thing happened with Halo Wars 2, which, as much as I love the UNSC and Banished visuals, the Forerunner parts that weren't the Sentinels were pretty... eh.
versed helm
Pretty much what Lonk said.
fair hazel
I really don't want 343i to be tied down and shackled unable to advance things
gilded mason
the Forerunner parts that weren't the Sentinels were pretty... eh.
Indeed
somber wave
Of course but they need to tone down some things and expand on others
versed helm
I dislike how the scope would just expand out to an excessive degree on the Light Rifle for example.
somber wave
The scope on. The light rifle practically explodes right in your face
fair hazel
it does look pretty amazing
unique rune
Honestly that's one of the things I really like about the LightRifle's scope-in animation
fair hazel
halo 5 weapon animations scopes etc are gorgeos and amazing
versed helm
It looks magical yeah.
somber wave
But again with the floating bits it does it too much
fair hazel
they look really cool
versed helm
I think smart scope is one of the 343 additions that I think should actually be retained in Infinite. Although I don’t think every weapon needs smart scope.
supple field
!? my question just got deleted QAQ
fair hazel
the sentinel beam for instance
word filter probably
sentinel beam for example, the animations on that thing are amazing.
versed helm
The fact that the shotgun of all weapons has a smart scope is kind of dumb in my opinion.
fair hazel
I like all weapons having a zoom
somber wave
I don’t not all of them need it
versed helm
Also all of Halo 5’s animations and weapon models are quite good.
fair hazel
I do.
versed helm
I dislike that green tube of a rocket launcher though lol
I can see why they brought the Spanker back.
somber wave
I’m willing to praise 343 they just need to fix some things
versed helm
Also I don’t like how the Halo 5 BR has a weird sight by default. Should have a scope.
unique rune
I like the PILUM.
It's bland, but at least I don't have to have to constantly question the logistics of carrying around and throwing away a pair of entire launcher tubes.
autumn gust
Ya that RL is one of the few Halo 5 designs I absolutely hate
supple field
can the mighy Halo group help me correct and proper list
what is "all" the personal weapon arsenal Cov that use during the Fall of Reach
i would like to use the porper list to ensure my TRPG shows correctly (i dont want to shame my self as a fan)
and use the correct weapon to give my player a" exposive" experience
versed helm
Sorry what?
fair hazel
The Pilum is much better in terms of ergonomics and praticality over the SPNKR
Also what
versed helm
It’s more practical but it also looks incredibly generic.
autumn gust
The single tube wasn't the problem, it was the design itself
somber wave
Ya but the spnker is SO iconic
autumn gust
They could definitely do a single tube design well, even with how iconic the spnker is
fair hazel
Honestly I'm annoyed at iconic this iconic that
somber wave
You can’t get rid of it
versed helm
Replacing an iconic design for the sake of replacing it doesn’t sit right with me.
somber wave
Ya
fair hazel
being more practical with the halo universe
i don't want a sense of static, of never changing, of status quo
somber wave
It’s been in every game to date
versed helm
I mean, a lot of things in the Halo universe aren’t practical lol.
somber wave
People would get angry if they threw it away like they did in halo 5
versed helm
The Mantis makes no sense, because mechs in general don’t make sense.
But I think it belongs in Halo though, because mechs are cool.
somber wave
Ya
fair hazel
There's certaintly some freedom, but you can still add a sense of progression, of practicality to things
Anyways, I want ad victoriam back for infinite
somber wave
Just change the design a tiny bit and it’s good for me
supple field
emmm ok the short ver is. During the Fall of Reach. What is the Covenant Army's weapon arsenal?
versed helm
Erm
somber wave
Umm
unique rune
did you not play Reach
versed helm
Depends, are you going off the book or the game?
somber wave
Small arms?
versed helm
In the book they still used weapons like the Beam Rifle, despite it not being present in Halo: Reach.
somber wave
Or larger ones?
autumn gust
I mean if there was a weapon in their arsenal, it was probably used on Reach
So all of them
supple field
peronal weapon
and i do play the game. i just like to double check with the book cause my english is too terrible to go throght the book
somber wave
Ya unless they were specifically added later most of the weapons were used
fair hazel
modest marsh
Could you iterate precisely what you need?
versed helm
Brutes and Drones
somber wave
Drones not so much
unique rune
Ech. I'm gonna have to say no thanks on the Drones...
fair hazel
I want the hannibal vehicles to return, the phaeton helios, i want so much
somber wave
Maybe a different mechanic
unique rune
Always hated the stupid things.
versed helm
I miss my stupid gorilla boys, and my flying bug boys.
somber wave
The brutes I’d be fine with
modest marsh
With shields
versed helm
Would Skirmishers be able to come back? I think they were almost extinct after Reach.
somber wave
Ugh even worse than jackal snipers cause they can fly
unique rune
unless we get some kind of launcher that fires airburst insecticide canisters I don't want Drones back
fair hazel
seriously bungie gave some weird "excuses" for things
modest marsh
Hydra seems like a hard counter to drones
modest marsh
Gotta save it
somber wave
So op on legendary probably
unique rune
run around a corner
hide
take potshots every now and then
supple field
i see. Im just avoiding i add somthing like weapon modle that suppose to appeared after halo reach
more specicfly : what is the weapon use during the Land warfare by the Sangheili ,Yanme'e, and Unggoy (fuel rod plasma rifle? plasme gun? plasma luncher?)
modest marsh
All?
somber wave
I guess
modest marsh
You’re looking for a list of weaponry then?
versed helm
I wouldn’t even be against them adding new alien species, perhaps even cancelled ones?
supple field
//but the wiki indeed is helpful thanks thoe
fair hazel
click the link i gave you.
versed helm
Are Drinol canon? I could have sworn Drinol were mentioned in one of the books.
modest marsh
The Covenant would’ve employed most if not their entire arsenal on Reach
supple field
//YES i am cause i'll need to use thoes info to acutally creating it into a TRPG
gilded mason
@versed helm
Called Sharquoi now, and yeah
somber wave
Well only the fleet of particular justice attacked reach
gilded mason
They were in Envoy
somber wave
Right?
unique rune
modest marsh
Go ahead and use any given covenant weapon
versed helm
Sharquoi would be cool to see in Infinite.
gilded mason
I think they all died
storm flume
There were 4 Covenant fleets at Reach @somber wave
modest marsh
There’s a list on halopedia as well
supple field
//which acutally has already emplyed SPARTAN program and SPARTAN laser in it . Just not the rest
//but thanks for the help
versed helm
Have you guys seen the concept art for a lot of the enemies and vehicles in CE?
somber wave
Ya it’s weird
versed helm
There’s one that had an entire collage of them and they look more like Xen aliens from Half Life than Covenant lol
somber wave
The ar was gonna have a grenade launcher
supple field
i mean it is "concept art" the mind of creator can be drift very far away from original design
somber wave
Ya
modest marsh
I think it’s less so what was creatively enticing and more so what would benefit the product while still being attainable
versed helm
I think it was from the early stages of Halo’s development when the Covenant weren’t a unified alien empire quite yet and were more or less just space pirates.
somber wave
Ya probably
modest marsh
The original halo was originally shown to have massive open environments with ambient wild life
versed helm
Like a sci-fi Arma kind of yeah.
modest marsh
These were cut in favor of a mostly linear structure
versed helm
I also imagine it being made for limited (at the time) console hardware had something to do with it.
modest marsh
CE’s maps are “big” but there’s really very little room for deviation
And yeah that also
versed helm
I’m curious how Halo would be now if the original Mac version Bungie showed off at Mac World came to be.
modest marsh
Hard to have massive, intense RTS-style battles when you can barely render 20 combatants at once and still retain their very sophisticated AI performance
It’s been long suspected infinite intends on delivering on that original image
versed helm
I’m not sure how to feel about an open world Halo now.
It seems like every game is going open world these days, Metal Gear, Mass Effect, Ghost Recon.
As long as it's pulled off well
modest marsh
I definitely prefer a level-based structure for storytelling purposes, but we have no idea how the game will be actually structured
It could be a GTA or Assassins creed route where they do have actual full, linear levels in addition to the open world
versed helm
I wouldn’t mind if they did something like Halo 3 ODST or Destiny, which took Halo 3 ODST’s vision for level structure all the way.
modest marsh
That as well
versed helm
The trouble with open world games is that an open world often compromises on good level design.
Also I think the Outer Worlds is doing something similar to ODST or Destiny.
Rather than having a massive open world map they opted for a variety of open-ended levels.
why not both?
leaden obsidian
I'm ba- where my friends go?
modest marsh
No friends here, only lore
unique rune
I prefer "forced acquaintances"
leaden obsidian
Oh my feels
But sorta understandable
But ok
I'm going to sleep I will come back some juicy intel I got(Hopefully)
versed helm
We're all brothers and sisters in lore tbh
A lot of brothers and very few sisters
But we share one thing that we can all relate to, and that makes us kindred, from a metaphysical and optimistic standpoint.
torpid temple
Good one 😂
inner basin
So what do you guys think about the third Pelican redesign that we see in the trailer? Wonder how it can be explained. We can tell it’s new because of the intersection between the front and the troop deployment bay.
torpid temple
Just give it another variant designation and boom, explained.
inner basin
Yeah, that’s not just it. There needs to be a reason for why it was created, and what is it’s benefit over other Pelicans
torpid temple
Yeah, there is going to need to be a lot of that in infinite i think
With all the art changes and stuff I mean
inner basin
Yeah they need to explain Chief’s new armour too. I believe it is GEN3 as when it is rebooting you can see “Generation III”. So an explanation of why that was created is needed as well.
torpid temple
I think i read a reason somewhere already, not long after the trailer at last year's E3
Something about it being a more rugged design and more durable
inner basin
That could just be speculation if it was not said by 343 themselves
torpid temple
Nah pretty sure it was 343
fossil eagle
Generation III was described in the Spartan Manual as the latest iteration of Mjolnir, taking the more protective designs from Gen I and coupling them with the advanced innovations and lessons learned with Gen II.
torpid temple
That's it
inner basin
Well if you say so I’ll take your word for it, Exile.
EDIT: I see the proof now, just at the worst time