It could’ve been a couple Grunts
#lore-and-universe
modest marsh
versed helm
Even if they were looking for Chief, that would still be convenient.
rough hatch
Chief was only really brought to the attention of the prophets on the halo ring when they put together a task force to try and kill him though.
versed helm
They could've observed the chamber was empty and left long before that.
Or came after the time he passed by.
It could've been any species. It could've been brutes, man.
Magg, why are we even arguing about this?
What was the point, again?
modest marsh
Why argue about anything
versed helm
I think I was trying to make a statement that you took exception to.
Lemme scroll up to find it.
modest marsh
So hold on, an Elite Major walked into the cryobay’s control room, killed the operator, saw a Spartan and a technician inside the cryobay and nothing else, and then what?
versed helm
So you're talking about the death of Samuel Marcus, now?
modest marsh
I’m laying out the order of events
versed helm
Or his other boy.
modest marsh
We’re following the first Elite we see in the game
sleek idol
What's the issue?
versed helm
Uhh, well I mean presumably at that moment they should've been aware that Chief was no longer in the cryo bay, and was loose throughout the ship trying to escape.
Which then makes it even more contrived that more Elites would then be specifically looking for Chief later.
In a cryo bay.
versed helm
This is getting ridiculous
modest marsh
Is that a bad thing?
versed helm
If it's a looney tunes moment, then it doesn't rely on the participants being entirely aware of the reality of the situation or be doing what they're doing because of why we think they are
I mean, it's possibly a bad thing.
modest marsh
Well they are the predator in this instance, Chief is their prey
versed helm
Because I feel as if the indication is that you're choosing to think very narrowly to be obstructive, maybe because I wronged you previously by being rude.
modest marsh
They are foolishly looking where he was, and he is now where they were
versed helm
I find the entire point you're making to be ancillary and silly, and I can't relate to you if you can't envision the multitude of ways this situation may actually have played out without much contrivance.
It's really not this hard, man.
modest marsh
I like the idea of it being silly and I realize you may not agree with that viewpoint
versed helm
No, the event's not silly.
sleek idol
I'm out of the loop, what's the discussion about?
versed helm
You're being silly. Or rather, the point you're making is.
modest marsh
My point?
I’m telling you my interpretation of events
It’s feels silly to me and I like that
modest marsh
Well to reiterate
I need you to specify what you think the red Elite was a) doing when he went to cryo and b) did immediately after
To make a parallel, Reach had an identical subplot
As did the Flood come to think of it
More dramatic obviously
But by nature of being the main character, it makes sense for the bad guys to specifically target Chief even if it doesn’t make practical sense
versed helm
I believe that it's equally likely that he was A) specifically attempting to locate Spartans, B) simply taking the initiative on any crewmen who may still be asleep or waking up, or C) stumbled on the cryo bay with his assault unit by coincidence.
This is, of course, referring to the second Elite, when Cortana makes her remark.
sleek idol
The simplest explanation is usually the most logical explanation
modest marsh
So you’re saying the first did not communicate what he saw in cryo?
Because you can plainly see there’s nothing in there besides Chief
versed helm
Actually, good point. What I said goes for the first Elite.
sleek idol
I think from a narrative standpoint it makes sense for the bad guys just to naturally target Chief for being the main character
versed helm
For the second Elite, it's even less likely that they were specifically after Chief.
Which makes it more likely that Cortana was joking.
sleek idol
But from a less meta-analytical view another point of view could arise
modest marsh
I just think it’s funny that the elites were being ignorant and irrational about their decision making, hence the comparison to looney tunes
sleek idol
it could've just been by coincidence that the Elite stumbled across Chief
modest marsh
Chief is the bugs bunny to their Elmer Fudd
sleek idol
Pretty much
versed helm
I mean, sure, if you favour an interpretation of Elites being incompetent in a very fundamental way.
The implication of that, is funny.
If it actually is the case, it's less so.
sleek idol
Even Regret hates him with vitriol
versed helm
Are you certain it's the same cryo bay, actually?
I guess there was the MJOLNIR schematic on the display.
Point withdrawn.
modest marsh
I mean, it’s implied to be I would think
The only thing missing is Sam’s body
But that’s a gameplay thing obviously
versed helm
Maybe Jackals ate him.
sleek idol
Bungie didn't really include a lot of the novel's lore into their games because they didn't like being limited by it
feral perch
They should have embraced it as something to explore and expand
modest marsh
Sure but that part of the novel is just a dramatization of the cutscene
versed helm
Anyway, why were we talking about this again?
sleek idol
I can understand where they came from with that take on it
A lot of what happens in the games wasn't exactly explained up until 343 took control of the series
versed helm
I still think it's probably more coherent with what we see in the game(s) that concern Installation 04 if the majority of the PoA's crew were up and engaged in the battle. Or at least, the majority of the Marine contingent.
sleek idol
They rather create an enticing experience rather than have to go by something someone else did
versed helm
I generally hold The Flood and First Strike to be significantly less-than-canon in many respects, so this isn't such a big thing for me.
Not that I don't love them both to death.
feral perch
See, there's the problem. You make it sound like the novels aren't enticing or fun.
modest marsh
What other significant issues do you take with their implementation in a modern context
feral perch
There's so much cool stuff that would be great for the games and audience, that originated from the books
sleek idol
I'm not commenting on the quality of the novels
feral perch
Hm
versed helm
I'd need to read First Strike again to be sure, but I don't think it accurately reflects Chief and Johnson's relationship in light of Silent Storm.
sleek idol
Reach, the game, was a big finger flip to a lot of the novels
versed helm
And The Flood has many clear inconsistencies with UNSC equipment, capabilities, and events seen in the games.
sleek idol
and it made for some confusing inconsistencies
I wonder if we'll see Flood Spartans in future Halo Campaigns
versed helm
That said, I am not denying that the broad strokes or specific compelling and well-fitting elements of The Flood and First Strike are totally canon.
feral perch
First Strike actually seems like it picks up from Silent Storm, but with no specific references to the then-non-existent book
modest marsh
Johnson and Chief’s relationship is weird but I don’t think it’s impossible to explain
feral perch
Chief and Johnson's friendliness seems just right, as I remember it
sleek idol
Chief and Johnson's relationship in the game was more stoic and badass but the Novels definitely grounded it more
modest marsh
Chief just doesn’t treat him differently just because he knows him considering they’re in an extremely high stress situation
Like seriously at his lowest point
The Master Chief's hand curled into a fist, and for a moment he felt the urge to slam it into something. He relaxed, surprised at his frayed temper. He'd been exhausted in the past—and without a doubt the fight on Halo had been the most harrowing of his career—but he'd never been prone to such outbursts.
versed helm
Also another point - if only Linda and her set of pods were jettisoned, the ODSTs on Installation 04 should've been able to revive or at least confirm the deaths of the guys still in cryo.
Hell, they might even have done that, I can't recall.
modest marsh
I’d have to look again
I don’t remember what happened with them or how badly in shape they were
versed helm
If I were Keyes, I know I'd have woken them all up.
First off, the more guns shooting at Covenant, the better.
modest marsh
I don’t think there’s much the UNSC can do for you after brain death short of being a Spartan
versed helm
Second off, wouldn't UNSC soldiers prefer to face death head-on than pass in their sleep?
modest marsh
Well they’re also not in charge
versed helm
They're not old people, no offence to anyone who might be offended.
They're young soldiers.
I imagine they'd value every second.
And I can't imagine them causing trouble.
modest marsh
Not saying they’re right or wrong, but I wouldn’t appeal to the strategic opinion of grunts to determine what is a sound deployment method over their officers
versed helm
Well I'm also questioning the judgement of the officers here too.
A Spartan who might well be the last and an incredibly important AI were at stake.
modest marsh
Also, more does not always mean better when the fighting takes place in a confined space
versed helm
There were parts of the ship that were not defended, judging from gameplay.
Could've made them pay for every step.
modest marsh
Especially when the enemy are using weapons that are notoriously effective against eliminating large groups of people who are close enough together
https://gfycat.com/tartsourcarp case and point
versed helm
I don't think the logic holds. I get that you're just trying to justify towards the book, and I respect that, but I don't feel it needs to be done anymore.
The ship's probably too big for every soldier to be standing shoulder-to-shoulder.
There's a lot of empty space and a lot of firing lines - I do think more soldiers would've been better, if in fact all soldiers were not already engaged.
Like the hangars, for instance.
modest marsh
It’s not big enough to prevent a bolt of plasma from killing several men at once, evidently
versed helm
You mean plasma grenades?
versed helm
Those are for effect. Not even in my wildest dreams of Halo rationalization do I imagine plasma weapons hitting that hard.
versed helm
If you really think a plasma rifle can do that, I just. I don't know what to say.
Yes, a plasma bolt could probably harm two people who were hugging.
A near miss from a plasma bolt can probably cause severe burns.
A plasma bolt on impact with a surface probably causes a spray of dangerous molten matter.
modest marsh
I mean they’re known to dismember/decapitate with single shots
versed helm
But they do not detonate with enough force to mangle a man with a single bolt and send him across a room.
modest marsh
As in, vaporize
versed helm
Yeah, a limb, a head, that's cool.
Totally believable - my favoured interpretation, in fact.
modest marsh
Keyes himself was launched off his feet by a plasma bolt from a rifle modified for human use
versed helm
But you gotta chillax with these over-literal interpretations.
I'm beginning to see why you feel there are parts of Halo that simply cannot be made believable, now xD
Some stuff is meant to be ignored, my dude.
modest marsh
I don’t know about that, in fact I do admit what we see in game is not completely accurate
After all, they’re clearly plasma grenade detonations being recycled
They do the same thing with frag explosions multiple times in the campaign
versed helm
Right, with the damage characteristics of a plasma grenade.
100% agreed - but in Halo's universe - not attempting realism particularly - do you believe that if you shoot a man in the face with a 7.62mm AP around he will die instantly?
versed helm
Yeah. But a Marine in-game can take several.
modest marsh
Oh, gameplay delineation
versed helm
Plasma weapons can do a hell of a lot of damage, but you can't pass that off as a realistic interpretation of what they can do.
That's what I'm objecting to here.
modest marsh
You should already know how I feel about that
versed helm
I think you're in danger of misleading people.
modest marsh
I mean in that case plasma weapons generally are significantly less effective
modest marsh
What I’m suggesting here is that Bungie intended their weapons to be lethal to the extent multiple people can die from a single discharge
versed helm
the biggest question that will never get answered:
how do needlers work?
Or that a bunch of dramatic explosions happened.
modest marsh
Which is why Chief having a shield that can block it is important
versed helm
even the unsc doesn't know, so have fun debunking it.
Best interpretation of the realistic effects of a plasma weapon on a UNSC soldier.
You can see how the ones who go down are in exceptional pain, their armour does nothing, and the bolt continues to burn.
modest marsh
There’s obviously conflicting interpretations here, this is quite tame compared to novelized or comic book ones
versed helm
Well that was a shot that hit the guy in the centre of his mass.
It's kinda hard to blow a torso off.
versed helm
I'll give it a check, but that's an overcharged bolt.
.... Ah.
I see.
Hold on for a second.
modest marsh
Again, maybe not the most representative
I subscribe to the sentiment that Covenant energy weapons are inherently subject to a great degree of variability by design
From the manufacturing itself to power settings
Plus range is an issue
versed helm
I'm not denying that plasma weapons can have a considerable area of effect. What I am contesting is the concussive force of a plasma grenade being used to represent that, and I'm contesting that the PoA's interior is so close that the increase in susceptibility would cancel out having as many guns as possible.
fair hazel
You can see the hole it leaves someone in escalation
versed helm
There's a great deal of cover and distinct environments in the PoA, most of which are quite deep in the honeycombed structure.
modest marsh
My mental image of your conceptualization had whole squads occupying hallways
Marines tend to be more successful when they have room to work with
versed helm
Probably a little excessive. I'm not tactician, but I'd keep large numbers of troops in reserve and try and optimise the numbers of soldiers fighting in every environment.
Trying to keep the front area as reinforced as possible.
modest marsh
https://gfycat.com/happyimpishherring this is a fuel rod but it illustrates my concern with fighting Covenant in close-in environments all the same
versed helm
There's no doubt about that, but the Covenant are lethal in close environments for a variety of reasons.
For one, logically, a UNSC soldier's best friend when fighting Covenant is liberal usage of jackhammer tubes.
grand grove
they should be lethal up close their great for that
modest marsh
Inside the ship however?
versed helm
Otherwise he has limited options in taking out a shielded enemy without receiving casualties.
Their main tools for fighting indoors are shotguns, frags, concentrated firepower.
Oh, and I wanted to talk about that real quick.
modest marsh
Unfortunately it seems they never got access to the shotguns
versed helm
Realistically, shotguns are a very inefficient weapon against body armoured enemies - buckshot, specifically.
The pellets are too small, and they don't travel fast enough.
Sure, they can mangle the areas around body armour, but their individual kinetic force shouldn't be good enough to hurt something like an elite more than, like, an AR's round.
My personal interpretation is that Soelkraft 8-gauge magnum shells are hideously expensive and use extremely violent propellant and heavy materials.
The kinetic force of them firing would be sufficient to launch a man across a room almost, without the recoil reduction tech.
It's a true power weapon, super expensive and ridiculously lethal.
The problem is, they'd likely have to retcon the cost.
modest marsh
Doom’s Super Shotgun comes to mind
versed helm
Yeah, something like that.
versed helm
But yeah, anyway.
Since the Marines would have to primarily concentrate firepower, it's important to maximise the amount of soldiers who can fire at once.
modest marsh
Although doom’s way of explaining away stuff like that is to just have all their soldiers wear power armor, so basically how halo feels anyway
versed helm
I'd say to have a realistic chance of taking down an Elite, a Marine fireteam would have to have three men concentrating firepower.
Otherwise the Elite will just fire back and kill them all immediately.
modest marsh
He may be stunned by well placed shots, increasing the time it takes to counterattack
versed helm
Depends how much of what a shield absorbs is imparted to the wearer.
Not much, I'd wager.
modest marsh
I mean getting hit in the face with anything is annoying even with sufficient protection
I work with stuff that requires safety goggles/masks, and if I was getting hit repeatedly by something multiple times a second I think it would be difficult to concentrate or do something that requires finesse reliably well
There is, after all, precedent
The militia’s first encounter with Brutes
Granted that was a small platoon, not a fireteam
versed helm
Well, I think it's pretty ridiculous to think that an Elite would just stand there and stagger backwards like he's in an anime.
They're highly trained, instinctive warriors.
At minimum, they'll hit the deck, move back or try and take cover.
Most likely, they'll return fire to the best of their ability and attempt to close the distance.
Anyway, I must go now - but I'd love to see some more opinions on the idea that the majority of the PoA's crew were never awoken from cryo.
Personally, I don't think it fits super well thematically or logically in any instance that's not First Strike.
First, it's important to determine whether merely Linda's block or all of the sleeping crewmen and Marines were jettisoned - if the latter, how?
If it's only Linda's block who were jettisoned, then attempts to search the PoA should've been notable in whether or not they turned up sleeping reinforcements or corpses.
Most likely outcome - all UNSC personnel, or at least all Marines, were in fact thawed. Many were potentially killed during the boarding action or died in the crash - letting them live that much is something I see as both morally and tactically more viable than leaving them asleep or shooting them into space.
My personal takeaway is that First Strike and The Flood generally should be seen as faulty before any other source is - I'd say First Strike, in this instance, contradicts CE and Fireteam Raven through the latter's failure to indicate a major tactical element of the fight on Installation 04 which First Strike takes for granted.
Anyway, now I truly must go xD
lofty lichen
agreed
last anchor
@versed helm Linda, as well as two other PoA crewmembers, were ejected into space. Only Linda in her MJLONIR survived.
stoic hamlet
well, she was dead
the others didn't survive because their pods had been breached
not because they didn't have MJOLNIR
cursive valve
She was technically dead
stoic hamlet
Clinically dead
versed helm
I mean, big point here - I doubt there are mechanisms in place on the PoA which enable the timely, simultaneous jettisoning of all occupied cryo-pods.
Yes, there's obviously going to be ways of jettisoning what's needed, but I doubt there's a chute straight from each cryo bay to space.
So what likely transpired was a small mission on Keyes' orders to transport that block of cryo tubes to a location from which it could be jettisoned, likely involving engineers, equipment and Marines fighting their way through the Covenant to get them there.
The reason why the cryo pod was jettisoned was to deny the Covenant access to Linda or her armour or physiology, and the reason the pod in its entirety was jettisoned in this manner and not just, say, Linda's body (or why it was sent into space and not, like, obliterated with plastic explosives) is based on the practical reason of doing everything possible to maximise Spartan survival chance.
Though I somehow find myself a little peeved at Nylund for making it so it was an entire block of pods (which apparently cannot be detached) rather than just Linda. It does raise the question of why not thaw out the other two people.
Maybe they were also in a similar critical state, somehow.
modest marsh
@versed helm Cortana should’ve known that if that were the case
Since she would be the one relaying that order anyway
versed helm
Well, what's your conceptualization of events?
Also, maybe she did know and through some contrivance came to believe that it was not successful. Or maybe Keyes relayed the order vocally and neglected to inform her. Or maybe she just forgot because she is a sentient being and thus fallible.
fleet robin
what happen to the hunters after truth died
gilded mason
Some joined other factions, some stayed in their current one, some went elsewhere.
inner basin
I’d also say some went back to what their origin planets too.
feral perch
and some of them were apparently on Installation 04, either from the get-go or because they thought it was a nice vacation spot.
Or rather, that one fragment of it.
inner basin
They were on the Alpha shard because the Lek’Golo worms are attracted to Forerunner constructs
abstract zealot
The ones we see on the Alpha Shard were sealed by Forerunners
feral perch
I really wish Nightfall had done a better job of explaining that.
And everything else.
inner basin
I’m surprised they weren’t killed after the destruction of Alpha Halo, hence why I thought they were just Lek’Golo instead
abstract zealot
Being sealed up like that really helps for protection
inner basin
I wonder how they broke out of their containers then 
abstract zealot
Detonation of the autumn opened up the surface allowing them to come out.
pearl swan
mortal sierra
unique rune
It’s Halo 2 Anniversary’s version of the Arbiter.
tardy zodiac
UNSC Valiant versus UNSC Vindication
and
UNSC Autumn versus UNSC Vindication
and
Covenant Battlecruiser VS UNSC Vindication
carmine sleet
You just want to see the Vindication going up against everything, don't you?
tardy zodiac
Just which one wins?
versed helm
@tardy zodiac pillar of Autumn or autumn class?
carmine sleet
With how little we know about the Vindication and the line of ships she's from, you can't really do a "vs" with them
trail prawn
carmine sleet
There's no ship called "Autumn" in Halo. It's just used as the shortened version of the Pillar of Autumn's name
versed helm
@tardy zodiac no the infinity would win against any covenant ship solo since it is always the infinity and 8 of the best unsc ships @ all times
abstract zealot
Plus all the frigates it deploys.
versed helm
Yes that's the 8 ships and also there not just frigates @abstract zealot
versed helm
If you face the Infinity, you’re going to basically face a whole fleet
carmine sleet
I'd say it's more like going up against a mobile fortress than a fleet
versed helm
@versed helm i wouldn’t say any covenant ship, but most yes
That’s more correct, i couldn’t think of the best wording
carmine sleet
Understandable, we all have moments where we struggle for the correct word
versed helm
My point anyways was that, when you gave the infinity, it will never be completely alone, as it has 8 strident class frigates with her
carmine sleet
That is very true, it's never been without an escort of some sort as far as I know
versed helm
I ment any of the current jul 'mdama covenant @versed helm
stoic hamlet
Unless they changed it
versed helm
Then yea, Post war, Infinity can defeat any Covenant ship
It’s either 10 or 8, i’m not 100% sure
upper star
Its 10
versed helm
I will check
Also, the infinity has like 400 S-IVs on board, which if they’re able to be used, would be a problem
stoic hamlet
Also ODST’s
upper star
And it's either the Strident or Anlace class frigates it can carry
stoic hamlet
When I first heard of the Anlace I scoffed at it.
Then I remembered how insane energy weapons actually are in space combat.
versed helm
ok, i didn’t know if 10 or 8, but my statement still stands
MACs are still an amazing weapon
upper star
Or Anlace, hence why they are on halo 5 title screen
versed helm
MACs are Probably the best weapon the UNSC can offer
upper star
Also it was confirmed when then first revealed the class
carmine sleet
That's not Halo Fanon but yeah, Halopedia is more reliable
versed helm
Halopedia is probably 98% right
upper star
If all else fails the Infinity can always do a precise slipspace jump and just ram right through any covenant cruiser class ship
versed helm
Like they did in H5
upper star
Best scene out of spartan ops
versed helm
that poor, poor cruiser
upper star
@versed helm yup but one hell of a way to reintroduce the Infinity to us
It can take on any covenant ship up to a CAS class carrier with ease.
versed helm
What about a CS0?
upper star
A CSO may stand a chance but will eventually get taken out
versed helm
everyone we’ve seen taken down IIRC is by a Nova bomb and a Slipspace bomb
A CSO + a fleet = the infinity is screwed
Well, how large a fleet?
upper star
The Infinity MACs are strong enough to punch through the Mantle Approach, a CSO stands little chance
upper star
Only its overall tonnage would stop a CSO from being 1 shotted
versed helm
20 mid war covenant ships and a CSO vs the infinity
upper star
Depends on the CSO fleet.
stoic hamlet
Their ships never really changed until post war
So.....
But yeah depends on the fleet
upper star
If it's a mix of CCS and light cruisers, a CAS, an ORS or two along with destroyers, frigates and corvettes
The infinity and its frigates will have to make a fighting withdrawal.
versed helm
Or nova bomb
upper star
I doubt even AI assisted ships can beat those odds
versed helm
Covenant also have AI
upper star
@versed helm I wouldn't use a nova I that situation
Planet crackers are just that, when you really want to put the enemy in the hurt locker
heady egret
Favorite fleet admiral in halo?
versed helm
I feel Covenant ships apart from the infinity have always been stronger
upper star
In both occasions we seen them used they have destroyed celestial objects like moons. To use that on a fleet isn't overkill it's a waste
@heady egret Staniforth
versed helm
No idea
upper star
@heady egret I would like to say I would be a fleet commander who survived the war
Now commanding one of the UNSC post war carrier strike groups going back into dark or lost sectors of UNSC space
versed helm
The crazy thing is, Red team is physically around 19 years old in HW2
heady egret
Another question for you guys What was ONI Spartans black OPs team known as?
carmine sleet
You mean Black Team?
heady egret
Yeah.
versed helm
wdym known as?
carmine sleet
It was just Black Team
versed helm
They were Black team.. that’s really it
heady egret
There is an answer on Xbox discord.
carmine sleet
Well, technically they do have another name, Fireteam Spartan: Black but it's easier to call them Black Team
heady egret
Or maybe I am just talking about ONI black OPS
versed helm
When’s the last time Black team has been in contact with UNSC?
heady egret
Uh.
carmine sleet
Likely before the Didact composed Ivanoff Station
versed helm
Ahhh yes, such a fun time
heady egret
Was IG like
July 25th 2557?
Or somewhere around there.
And where admiral Terrence Hood sent blue team to look for them.
@versed helm ?
And then blue team was attacked by promeathen constructs.
That's the best answer I got @versed helm
versed helm
Idk why you pinged me lol
heady egret
I didn't know if you saw it or not
versed helm
ok I remember reading the books and there was this fight scene between chief and a sanghelli in an airlock or something, no gravity. and wwhile the fights going on theres also this dialogue about how one wrong move could leave you spinning off into space with nothing to stop you. I've been wanting to read that scene again but I cant remember which book its from. any of you nerds remember?
modest marsh
That’s near the end of fall of reach
versed helm
THANK YOU
Is the bit where John has the internal dialogue about a life wasted and a life spent also in Fall of Reach?
I think I should read that whole book again after I finish my current read
versed helm
oh really? for some reason my brain has it tied with his being on a covenant ship where he tells one of his crew to stay behind to cover thier escape
stoic hamlet
It’s brought up there as well
versed helm
Ontario, just north of Toronto
stoic hamlet
Ah nice, from Toronto myself
fair hazel
the CSO-class supercarriers are basically a bit over half a Montreal long
open light
Really puts it in perspective LOL
versed helm
still waiting for someone to explain how the needler works
but that will never happen.
fair hazel
Ask me later
versed helm
The fleet at high charity vs the entire post war unsc
clever fable
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I like this.
obsidian thistle
We have a date
calm vault
Welp. Just to give the cliffnotes
High Charity Defense Fleet = Bigger than Reach Invasion Fleet.
UNSC Infinity = Inferior to Covenant vessels of equivalent size.
UNSC Fleet = Very dimished and weakened even post-war.
Conclusion: I doubt the Post-war USNC fleet would be able to defeat the High Charity Defense Fleet
@versed helm
gilded mason
Sounds like the likely conclusion.
calm vault
Personally I don't really like the Infinity as a whole.
gilded mason
Same, man. Same
calm vault
Given that we're supposed to just accept that the UNSC dropped a 3KM long supercarrier with shielding tech (Which the UNSC's never had before), reverse engineered Forerunner tech for slipspace and all that jazz, on top of four SMAC's as it's main armaments? It just seems absurd that the UNSC could pump that thing out within five years of the H:CW without any opposition from a civilian government or such, especially when there should be a massive focus on rebuilding at that point.
So as a thing that I've been wondering for a little bit...
tired fern
why was my messege deleted???
viscid wolf
Do you guys think that guy in the E3 trailer was Phillips??
calm vault
With the introduction of characters such as Tul'juran and Mahkee'chava (I butchered that name...) what would you imagine the likliehood of seeing a female sangheili would be in Infinite?
clever fable
I think part of the Infinity's story is that it's been in progression since prior to the war's end. It was a hail mary attempt at a roaming UNSC lifeboat for a large populace should Earth fall.
gilded mason
Also, I guess Gen3 was confirmed for real
calm vault
I do understand that reasoning, to be honest. However I do feel that it is a touch silly, but when you look at real wars such as WW2 it doesn't seem too outlandish when German engineers were pushing for things like the Maus by the end of the war as a sort of 'All or nothing' gambit.
Gen3?
gilded mason
Yeah. Gen3 armor
gilded mason
It said it in his bootup sequence
calm vault
Yeah there's gonna need to be some explanation for that tbh
fair hazel
going to need to have that trailer analyzed
The words soft reboot had me worried , or whatever they had
spiritual
But they're still continuing
calm vault
Idk about you lot but I'm getting sort've tired of the Chief's armour getting changed every couple of games.
'least it made sense with Halo 1 -> 2
fair hazel
created attack right? ship losing power, etc?
unique rune
I really liked Chief's armor in Halo 4/5 so I'm a little sad it's being replaced...
fair hazel
I liked it too
gilded mason
I miss Mark V.
dusky iris
same
fair hazel
There's some package/forward unto dawn shoulderl ooking pieces
calm vault
I personally didn't. I understand why people would like it, but I agree with Ostral. I miss the Mark V and Mark VI
dusky iris
the armor should progress like we've seen
calm vault
In Reach my Spartan always used the Mark V helmet.
Are we allowed to talk to the 343 devs at all? Or is this one of those "If they want to talk to you, they will" situations?
gilded mason
The latter
calm vault
Unfortunate.
gilded mason
You could try twitter.
calm vault
I'd rather not bother them. I understand the whole 'Well we're not actually allowed to talk about anything specific because of Non-disclosure agreements and all that jazz' very well as I've been in a position where I myself am not actually allowed to talk about any of that stuff.
haughty python
does anybody noticed the MA37 from Halo Reach in Infinite Trailer?
hallow oyster
Yes I loved that
I have so many questions about that trailer but im trying to figure out how to word them
calm vault
Eh. It looked more akin to the Halo CE rifle to me
haughty python
maybe Stock and trigger fror CE, but Barrel and barell cover are from MA37
hallow oyster
one thing im happy about though is the apparent darker and more somber tone they're taking with it kinda like in Halo 4. I'm really curious as to what happens to the ring because it seems like throughout the story we're gonna be fighting on the Halo ring, end up in the control room and possibly meet Cortana (definitely theorizing with that one), and then maybe by the end of it we have to destroy the ring because... Created or possibly even flood?
those are just my theories though, my guess is about as good as anyone elses
calm vault
I'm just wondering what we'll actually be fighting.
Because I remember 343 confirmed a while ago that there will be 'No Covenant'
So
Unless it's the Banished taking their place (Which I'd be okay with)
I'm very worried that Infinite will have us only fighting the Prometheans
And I'm sure it's a controversial opinion but I did not like the Prometheans.
gilded mason
Well, we know many unggoy have joined her cause
calm vault
Then throw the unggoy out an airlock!
waxen slate
Prometheans are abominations - even the monitors know.
calm vault
I'll say though that the trailer has done nothing to really build my hype at all as it's really just left me with the same feeling of "Okay this looks great but how are you going to salvage Halo 5?"
unique rune
not liking Prometheans
controversial
Far from it.
If anything, liking Prometheans is controversial.
calm vault
Oh really? Huh.
waxen slate
I'm seriously thinking about Halo Escalation being involved with that ring
unique rune
I like them enough myself.
At least conceptually. Execution isn't perfect but I don't think I hate them as much as most do.
silver prism
So chief is definitely gona get new armor in Infinite right?
waxen slate
What Installation could that ring possibly be? It's partially destroyed after all. The thing is, the trailer showed Chief floating among a bunch of ring debris, too. I'm thinking about 07 or 09
calm vault
What's Escalation again?
waxen slate
Between 4 and 5
gilded mason
The comic series
calm vault
...
Sigh
Well
If that's the case
I'm probably going to have zero idea what the heck is going on... Again
waxen slate
It's a short read if you wanna jump into it
calm vault
I don't got money for that mang
fossil eagle
Escalation isn't a great read.
waxen slate
There's this thing called PDFs lol
Escalation is a lot of fun, except for all the anti-Halsey action
calm vault
Regardless, I'd have thought that, by now, 343 would have learnt that people don't like to do homework for their videogames.
waxen slate
I'm definitely getting the feel that Halo Infinite is a return to proper lore characteristics
waxen slate
Bots man
calm vault
Is Commander Boring auto-removed?
gilded mason
It can be weird
fair hazel
Retype your message worded differently maybe? I can't find it, moving too fast
calm vault
Nah it's fine
I mostly just said that I was hoping that if Locke and Palmer came back in Infinite that they actually got fleshed out as characters and not... Idk what they are.
But in a sort've trolly way
waxen slate
When Chief inserted the chip, its called a weapon containment device. What's the weapon? The suit? The spartan?
Also AI Not Detected feels bad man
fair hazel
I'm concerned about the rest of blue team
calm vault
I should probably stop trolling before somebody takes my joking attitude and interpret it to be me actually being hostile and aggressive.
Not going to lie. I didn't even know Blue Team was a thing prior to Halo 5
hazy fossil
@prime raptor
fair hazel
you didn't know much about the story before?
calm vault
When Blue Team just appeared out of nowhere in Halo 5 with no introduction or even build up, just 'there', I was so lost and had no idea who they were.
waxen slate
I'm concerned about Blue Team too, but it could be one of those things where Chief assigns himself a mission or ONI assigns him a lone mission without Blue Team but he gets caught up in all the danger
After all, Chief is first pictured floating among ring debris locked in survival mode
calm vault
Well see, I knew a lot of the lore but I never read any of the actual novels or such. I was more interested in the worldbuilding rather than the characters themselves.
fair hazel
It's all part of it though
calm vault
For me, when I'm learning about a fictional universe I'm much more interested in that universes history than I am the individual characters.
waxen slate
I have so many questions
Why is Chief among ring wreckage in survival mode?
What blew up the ring?
What ring is it?
What locked them in a gravity beam (again according to the pilot) and what kind of enemy is it?
Where is Blue Team?
calm vault
I couldn't name any of the characters outside of the ones we see ingame (Except for a handful of ones that added something to the overall universe itself) but I'm relatively up-to-date on a lot of the actual worldbuilding itself. At least, older stuff. I haven't really kept up to anything post Halo 2.
Um
Halo Reach. Not 2
waxen slate
And the best yet - where is the Infinity?
calm vault
¯_(ツ)_/¯
gilded mason
And the best yet - where is the Infinity?
Destroyed!
calm vault
As I said before. This trailer has just left me with more questions than it has answers.
And normally I'd hold the opinion that that was a good thing, however I'm fairly jaded on Halo now after 4 and 5 left a bad taste in my mouth.
calm vault
I'm more looking for Infinite to restore my love for the franchise, rather than being eager to tuck into it like a meal I already know I love.
waxen slate
Is that canon that the Infinity is destroyed? I dont remember anything about that
calm vault
No
gilded mason
Nah, I'm just hoping
calm vault
He was just trolling
calm vault
We can only hope
vivid dust
do we have a date from this trailer?
waxen slate
That string of numbers and letters is definitely an encrypted message
obsidian thistle
waxen slate
Mjolnir MkIII?
fair hazel
no Gen 3
gilded mason
Gen3, yeah
waxen slate
Passed me, yep
obsidian thistle
This is post 2561.
waxen slate
That's why I was very confused
Gen 3 makes more sense
So SPDR is active in Chief but he doesn't have a chip that would contain an AI at that point
SPDR is built into the armour I'd assume
Maybe it was injected specifically to Chief's armour to contain Cortana and try to fix her?
vivid dust
okay so there's that at least
trail wyvern
Okay, can someone help me understand a comment someone made on YT about the book series?
waxen slate
@obsidian thistle Possible developments on the obscure lore, I'll DM you cause I cant post images
trail wyvern
They said something about apparently Infinite is the last game you play as Chief, where they finish this fight and him and Blue Team leave together? That legitimately makes no sense, they said it was in the book that are canon but I haven't seen a single thing of that before?
fair hazel
What? Who said whatwhere what?
gilded mason
What?
unique rune
Considering it's a YouTube comment... I don't think you should actually put any weight behind it.
gilded mason
Indeed
unique rune
Especially when it sounds this nonsensical.
trail wyvern
I'm not but that's why I asked, I thought maybe I missed something.
unique rune
I'm not exactly the most caught up on my Halo lore, but none of that sounds accurate, so I would imagine you haven't missed anything important.
trail wyvern
Alright, I'm still waiting on a reply from this person so, if anything can post what they say but that really seems off to me.
fair hazel
Whatever you heard, probably forget it.
waxen slate
That Master Chief launch sequence has some ARG btw
Under the MJOLNIR detail listing, there is a box called AUTH-KEY. In that box are keys that change every frame, and each one is already redeemed.
fair hazel
Xbox premium pass launch codes i believe, someone please confirm
gilded mason
That's what I've heard as well
trail wyvern
He said the book in question was Halo: Silentium....
gilded mason
lol
trail wyvern
Yeah, this guys talking BS.
fossil eagle
unique rune
Silentium... what even...
fossil eagle
I also noticed that the Pilot was wearing the classic UNSC logo on his sleeve.
waxen slate
The SPDR hex strings gave me.. something? I entered the entire thing as 42 09 2a 07 02 82 11 25 6c 69 65 76 11 19 6c 2b 18 36 17 44 69 01 aa 12 11 56 84 1d 83 13 37 56 65 09 6c 69 65 2a 37 1b 6c 09 65 76 65 1a 65 6c 2c 6a 3b 98 6f 1d 19 2d 6b 2a 63 56 00 aa 7a 18 11 6c 84 65 76 65 2f 65 6c 69 65 76
in return I got B *....%liev..l+.6.Di.ª..V....7Ve lie*7.l eve.el,j;.o..-k*cV.ªz..l.eve/eliev
radiant sphinx
Well we definitely have “believe”
waxen slate
On some logic, we also have level
vivid dust
I read something about "Didact" possibly being one of the words?
I don't mean to spread false info though so do correct me if I'm wrong
versed helm
we got so much lore based on his VISR boot up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBb88gLmJZY
his armor was recently upgraded by halsey in 2561
and currently is wearing MJLONIR GEN III
remote spruce
spooky
versed helm
im guessing the pilot was apart of the spirit of fire???
based on his MA37 army assault rifle
and his old patch
unique rune
If he was from the Spirit of Fire, he certainly seems a bit... lost.
versed helm
i loved it when isabel realized she was on a ghost ship
Then leave this server.
Nobody wants to hear you complain about how bad Halo is. This server is meant for Halo lovers not haters.
Ok good he deleted his message.
fair hazel
I did
pallid pelican
Yes @waxen slate I also notices that the Keys presented in the trailer were also redeemable codes already redeemed.
waxen slate
Yeah we all see that now unfortunately. I'm far more interested in the hex code
waxen slate
Anyone have any progress on the possibly hex string?
last anchor
I see 117 in there, broken up
waxen slate
That's definitely a possibility
Another difficulty I'm having is that the string given to us is missing an entire section
Between 11 and 25 I left an extra space
That's where a group was left omitted
Another thing I find interesting is the fact that some groups are censored out of the string a few seconds after they are written
Then they're re-revealed, and the censor bars move on to another group.
maybe its another sequence using those censored groups
With that theory, I got 42 6c 37 37 56 84 and returned Bl77V.
pallid pelican
Numbers that beggin with 0 like 09 aren't hexadecimal so what are they?
pallid pelican
Try changing them from 09 to 90
Changing the 0 to the right instead of on the left.
waxen slate
The thing is, it's not a spaceless string. It has spaces like its a hex group
42 09 2a 07 02 82 11 25 6c 69 65 76 11 19 6c 2b 18 36 17 44 69 01 aa 12 11 56 84 1d 83 13 37 56 65 09 6c 69 65 2a 37 1b 6c 09 65 76 65 1a 65 6c 2c 6a 3b 98 6f 1d 19 2d 6b 2a 63 56 00 aa 7a 18 11 6c 84 65 76 65 2f 65 6c 69 65 76 is exactly what's given to me
But like aa? That's not ASCII
I wonder about Decimal
pallid pelican
that could be a possibility
warm wigeon
try a fibonacci cipher
waxen slate
Not sure how to use that
It can't be decimal cause decimal is all numbers
What else does ASCII use
Binary?
I can use 09 for spaces now that I try it out @pallid pelican
So 09 isnt completely useless
jovial temple
I can't wait to see what they decided to do with jerome and the other red team members
I'm hoping you fight along side them
pallid pelican
It has been decoded already a long time ago wow and we were so slow on knowing what was it about 😩 🤣
waxen slate
It only talks about the game pass codes
What I'm doing isnt what they're talking about
pallid pelican
I know, nevermind I thought the code was that
waxen slate
You can create Believe. by taking out certain hex groups and combing them into a string, each of the characters required are in sequential order, too.
For Believe. I'd need 42 65 6c 69 65 76 65 {any invalid hex character that would return a period}
such as 84 for that last part
42 09 2a 07 02 82 11 25 6c 69 65 76 11 19 6c 2b 18 36 17 44 69 01 aa 12 11 56 84 1d 83 13 37 56 65 09 6c 69 65 2a 37 1b 6c 09 65 76 65 1a 65 6c 2c 6a 3b 98 6f 1d 19 2d 6b 2a 63 56 00 aa 7a 18 11 6c 84 65 76 65 2f 65 6c 69 65 76
Many of these can be substituted in as well for the sequential order, like 96 for 84. There's also plenty of 65 to go around. The only issue I have with this is that it renders the rest of the string useless, when it could spell out other messages.
So I'd have to be careful with with group I use, since it could belong to a different message.
gilded mason
https://twitter.com/TDenningauthor/status/1137870430277165061
I'm glad he helped put that silly meme to rest.
gilded mason
That no Sangheili get medical care.
waxen slate
Oh, I never heard of that. I feel like they would put their pride away for something like not dying painfully
gilded mason
Yeah, that would make sense
modest marsh
Elites refusing medical assistance was never a thing
What they have issue with is stuff that involves implements designed to draw blood
Also we see members of SoS receiving medical care in Halo 5
gilded mason
The thought was pervasive enough that even Toa Freak thought they refused treatment
modest marsh
There was a bit in one of the books where an Elite left a wound untreated specifically because they were angry with themselves, but that was obviously a personal choice and something codified into their culture
There’s a lot of instances where Elites suffer injuries and survive that they would doubtfully recover from fully without some amount of first aid and physical therapy
gilded mason
Yeah, that was always my thought. But there'd always be people that tried to say otherwise.
modest marsh
Tbh they just regenerate on their own like in Halo Reach
Honestly, Forerunner Lifeworker tech seems underdeveloped lore wise
We know regeneration fields are a thing
And if Halo 5 is any indication, they’re implemented into GEN2 armor
stoic peak
I have always wondered why the remaining Spartan II's are not given the new Argumentations that Spartan IV's have as well, Spartan IV's have a lot that the II's dont.
I mean they would be able to give them to the IIs as well
feral perch
Spartan-II augmentations are superior to that of Spartan-IVs, in those individuals that successfully received the enhancements.
Spartan-IIs will actually become stronger as they age, as well.
stoic peak
@feral perch yeah but they IV's also have a lot that the Spartan II's dont, so why not give the remaining Spartan II's the argumentations that the IV's have that they dont ?
feral perch
What augmentations are you referring to?
unique rune
The -IVs received some organ replacements that the -IIs don't have, which is what I assume he's talking about.
feral perch
I don't think it's worth it then.
stoic peak
@feral perch 1. Aside from the brain, virtually all other organs in the body are either modified in some manner or replaced.
Several organs are biofabricated including the lungs, The lungs implanted into the Spartans are biofabricated and lined with a STONEWELL pulmonary surfactant; a polymer that enhances oxygen intake and allows the subject to process airborne toxins or foreign gas mixtures.
The pancreas is replaced by an apparently unnamed, vat-grown organ.The Spartans also undergo treatments to prevent organ rejection.
Corneal implants are provided, improving the subject's eyesight and night vision.
-
Subjects undergo numerous circulatory improvements. The heart is implanted with a synthetic, polythread weave which significantly increases its capacity to pump blood, Chondrocytes are genetically altered to allow for faster clotting, Subject's blood is modified to make the Spartan immune to most toxins.
Spartans are also subjected to K5.2 hemoescutcheon, and implanted with circulatory shunts and intelli-fibrin acclimation, likely aiding in the healing of wounds.
Intestinal bacteria are altered to enable the digestive system to absorb more nutrients from food, An intestinal bioreactor is also implanted, and the subject is given a gut microbiota refresh. -
Spartans undergo an extensive gene therapy, which involves the lengthening of the telomeres and increasing the effectiveness of chondrocytes
-
Subjects are implanted with a handful of tiny, durable biomonitoring implants, one of which is installed near the fourth and fifth lumbar vertebrae, designed to aid medical teams remotely monitor the Spartan's health and performance.
Subjects are also implanted with electronic locators to allow the United Nations Space Command to track each Spartan. -
The Spartan is subjected to hormone-regulation therapies and their bioprofile is archived
feral perch
Their eyes are enhanced enough not to need the extra implants.
With the current state of the universe, I think that trying to give Spartan-IIs these changes would be dangerous and impractical. The UNSC is on the run from Cortana; they don't have time to try to see if the Spartan-IIs can be made just a little bit better.
modest marsh
I think he’s talking about in the 5 year span prior to that
trail jay
big boi
lethal osprey
Literally go watch HiddenxPeria for indepth Halo lore
unique rune
Egh. No thanks.
I'll stick to Halopedia and reading it myself.
lethal osprey
U no gud
quasi junco
I need to read more Halo lore
potent meadow
currently reading halo: evolutions. good read.
steep bridge
I just finished a re-read of everything up to the end of the Kilo five trilogy. god this whole book series is amazing. Starting on legacy of onyx again tomorrow
jade oyster
fair hazel
Talk about it then
devout hamlet
I haven't read the last 4-5 books. I'd say my favorite is the Forerunner Saga trilogy.
versed helm
Whatever became of Arusha and Nairobi during the Battle of Earth
Were they glassed or left alone
charred plover
The forerunner trilogy was beautiful
stoic peak
@charred plover i respected it but i found it hard to get into
static forge
the forerunner books might be my favorite halo books
especially the 2nd one, because there is nothing quite like it anywhere else in the multimedia haloverse
fair hazel
devout hamlet
So did Cortana leave a copy of herself that Chief is going to get? Is that what is going on?
I liked the Forerunner Saga partly because my theory on the Precursors was confirmed to be true.
And then the whole 343 GS part was great.
copper plank
Ooo that’s sounds like an interesting theory
It’d be cool to see and avengers style story with the spirit of fire, Osiris and blue team all coming together
versed helm
Uh, does anyone else think this new suit looks a little off, anatomically-speaking?
I mean from what I can see, John looks to have an unusually long neck to fit in that thing - from what I can see
abstract zealot
Don’t @ moderators unless they say otherwise or if it’s an emergency. Go check the #471730170768654352 where it says Be respectful to get more information on why. @vital bison
tall moat
Sorry for the tag
@obsidian thistle Have you found out anything special about the Pilot?
inner basin
Don’t tag moderators, especially if it’s not urgent
wispy bough
I'm sure the mods are capable of commenting if they want to be tagged or not.
Lets leave it to them.
obsidian thistle
I am cool with pings
tall moat
Just really curious about this new central trailer character, sorry
obsidian thistle
We have no idea sorry
ivory path
I love the new character, he has a lot of charm
tall moat
Bit hard to understand at times
tall moat
But I love his CE/Reach marine garb
inner basin
Although there is little to know about him, he kinda reminds me of Foehammer in CE(A) with the charm in his voice and attitude
tall moat
Definitely, I can see him being shot down by Banshees on the final level already
inner basin
I still haven’t recovered. Foehammer was one heck of a Pilot
still ibex
I aint gonna lie but the pilots hair and beard looks surprisingly nice and well kept despite being stuck in a pelican for quite a while
inner basin
We don’t know how long he’s been in the Pelican though @still ibex
still ibex
but still enough time to grow a decent enough beard
carmine sleet
My guess, and this is going off of the average time it takes for my facial hair to grow, is that he must've been stuck in the Pelican for at least a month
upper star
@still ibex Haha I said this as well, that is too beautiful of a beard
naive gyro
earnest dome
modest marsh
GEN3 tbh
sudden mica
analog violet
serene harbor
warped nimbus
It would be cool for him to act similar to Foahammer for this halo, even has Echo
carmine sleet
So, looking at the new artwork for Infinite they've just put out on Waypoint, I can't help but notice it looks like sections of the Halo are being ejected from the ring
Kinda like what Anders did in Halo Wars 2 with the ring seen there
radiant sphinx
That’s exactly what I was thinking
last anchor
Maybe Chief only just got dropped into space
Or maybe GEN III has some kind of weird built in cryo suit thing
Because Spartans keep doing crazy things like jumping out of perfectly good space ships
humble yacht
We know the suits are air tight so he could have been running on emergency power and oxygen reserves
valid finch
I've already tweeted about this but something has been bugging me about that trailer. I think we're dealing with a sizable time jump in the campaign, or a few missions in. For one, that ring could be Zeta Halo, hence the Legendary Ending for Halo 5. What doesn't make sense is John floating in space around the ring. I'm starting to wonder if Guardians have the capability to EMP and entire Halo ring if their EMP can cause that much destruction to Meridian or even UNSC space. Or even an AI that answered Cortanas call self destructed a ship on that Halo ring, those are the only two reasons I can think of. Because
humble yacht
and his 999 luck stat gets him saved just before the oxygen runs out
valid finch
Roland didn't answer cortanas call, we already know that
humble yacht
There's no reason to assume this cutscene picks up immediately after Halo 5
west phoenix
That's assuming this scene happened at the beginning of the game
valid finch
I'm saying a few missions in though, not the beginning
west phoenix
Altho I'm assuming its a scene thats not in the game at all tbh lol
stoic hamlet
Not all A.I joined the created
humble yacht
it could be, but it could also serve as the beginning cutscene
They could just explain in game why he's out in space around a broken ring
valid finch
I know that Eternal, thats why I mentioned that either an AI that joined with Cortana self destructed some UNSC ship on that ring or a Guardian EMPed it. Though that begs the question can a Guardian EMP an entire ring?
humble yacht
An EMP wouldn't physically harm the ring
valid finch
True so that would leave my other theory
humble yacht
also there is nothing in the lore suggesting that Guardians can affect other forerunner tech
they were only used to subjugate non-Forerunner species
humble yacht
We don't know why the ring is damaged; it could be any number of things
stoic hamlet
Yeah
carmine sleet
I'm getting the feeling that someone ejected those segments of the ring to prevent something from happening there and that it's not battle damage
valid finch
Slip yes i forgot about that
carmine sleet
It could explain the blue aura that can be seen where the missing segment of the ring is, maybe that's hard light holding the ring together temporally while Sentinels work on fixing it
valid finch
Hmm, perhaps those segments could be part of the control room? I would think that's one reason besides if a segment of that held the flood containment facility? I mean we technically did see John in a control room of sorts, perhaps the piece at the end of the trailer happened before hand?
carmine sleet
The building that holds the control room wouldn't be that large that it would require that much to be ejected. It could be anything that was ejected into space
lunar condor
uh if you EMP the ring and the self-preservation systems shut down like regulating the rings spin and everything/artifical gravity etc
id think that could do some good damage
humble yacht
that's assuming you EMP the whole ring. or that the ring is even susceptible to an EMP
lunar condor
Id think the foerunners would protect their own structures from that EMP
since Guardians were made to pacify non-forerunner populations
humble yacht
yep
last anchor
Looks like the Ring got hit with something else anyway. Big old section of its torn off
lunar condor
tho Guardians have conventional weapons too if memory serves right from Halo Bad Blood
Like those cool huge particle beams
humble yacht
yes, guardians have personal defense systems
valid finch
Truth and the flood containment facility is a very small portion of the ring too, not unless a flood outbreak happened on that ring which I highly doubt unless someone pulled a Keyes and went oh look another weapons cache that's not actually a weapons cache, oh crap the flood got released again, no pun intended.
humble yacht
but it's doubtful they'd use that against a ring
last anchor
This didnt look like weapons fire anyway. More like its the rings self-ejection system working again.
See the hologram of it happening as Chief walks into the control room
valid finch
Hmm, fail safe perhaps?
raven fossil
Anyone read the boot up for chiefs armour in the trailer?
lunar condor
Only reason i can think of to eject ring mass is flood infestation
Tho if memory serves right aren't rings supposed to fall apart due to uneven pressure when sections are missing?
valid finch
I just thought of that.. wait do Halo rings have fail safes besides canceling the activation of a ring, hence standby mode
last anchor
Not the only reason. The system is multi-use and merely there for various reasons.
See: Primodium, where 07 was shrunk down from original Halo ring size to New Array size
valid finch
Well if a fail safe did activate to eject flood mass, what stopped Installation 04's from doing that?
humble yacht
The presence of a Reclaimer
last anchor
And yes they are. Or rather, they tend to because thats how gravity works.
The ring is spinning after all, so the force of its motion tends to cause it to bend and twist if its missing a section
humble yacht
Guilty Spark saw an opportunity to fire the ring and he took it
valid finch
Ah yes i forgot about that
humble yacht
If humans had not been on the ring and the Flood still got out, Guilty Spark likely would have investigated other avenues of containment
last anchor
Mass sterilization, atomspheric evacuation
unique rune
hoo boy of course HaloFollower already has a 26 minute overanalysis video of the new teaser out
lunar condor
if the flood broke out on my ring id eject the pieces straight up into the system's star smh
valid finch
Hmm it still makes me wonder though if that piece of the ending of the trailer actually took place before what we saw in the trailer, perhaps john could have somehow gotten on the ring?
last anchor
Assuming the date is correct, yes
last anchor
Just remember, the stuff in the trailer may not reflect the actual game fully.
See: 4's "Scanned"
humble yacht
Yes, but to play devil's advocate, "Scanned" was not an in-engine trailer
not that in-engine stuff is always a 1:1 representation
but H4's gameplay trailer was a much closer representation and that was in-engine
valid finch
hmm... can cortana... activate rings from the domain?
humble yacht
so what we see in Discover Hope could be close to the final product
not that we know, Dragon
lunar condor
I don't think so, the ark would lose its purpose
last anchor
I dont think AIs can activate them either, it has to be a flesh and blood Reclaimer.
humble yacht
well
in 3, it looked like Cortana activated Installation 04b
after all, she absorbed the Index and held onto it
last anchor
Thats fair
humble yacht
and her whole mandate as the Created leader is that the Created are the true inheritors of the Mantle
last anchor
But there were two humans in the room with her so
humble yacht
which is another way of saying Reclaimer
last anchor
(Shrug)
Maybe Cortanas a special case because she's a human AI
I suppose we'll find out
humble yacht
it's possible she was in a unique position since she had absorbed the Index
lunar condor
Maybe AI's can because they are made out of a human brain. given they have the index
humble yacht
tbf, even human Reclaimers need an index to activate a Halo
it's not like they can do it sans Index
last anchor
That would be silly. Its like letting a teenager have a tank.
Talk about irrisponsibility XD
humble yacht
the fact that Cortana was able to interface at all with an Index may suggest that she is recognized as a Reclaimer, as far as forerunner tech is concerned
lunar condor
For how much Forerunner's talk about responsibility i always found them quite irresponsible with their actions
like "Lmao lets leave it all up to the humans and tell them literally nothing gg ez"
waxen slate
I don’t think that’s how lore went
Forerunners destroyed the proto-humans because they were chosen next for the Mantle
I forget the race that was before the both of them, but they turned into the flood later
gleaming sparrow
Interfacing and using an index is two different things
humble yacht
She pretty much used it
gleaming sparrow
I don’t think Cortana has in the past games ever activated a halo herself, but just kept it.
Unless it slipped my mind
humble yacht
In H3, Chief put her chip next to the console
She went into the console, inserted the Index, and activated the Halo
gleaming sparrow
Ah I thought it was chief who actually pressed go
humble yacht
Chief did not touch the console in H3
waxen slate
I wonder if Ancilla are recognized as Reclaimers too as well. In H1, she overrid the Monitor’s instruction to fire the ring.
Then again she had the Index didnt she
humble yacht
she did indeed
when Chief inserted the index in CE, she snatched it up before it could activate the ring
waxen slate
I find it funny that AI can be injected and interact with forerunner controls in the first place
humble yacht
Well Cortana was special
she had been interacting with Forerunner tech since her creation
I think Halsey designed her with that function in mind
warped nimbus
plus, AIs and Ancilla's are similar I think
humble yacht
Ancilla seemed to just have been the Forerunner's term for AI
just like they called armor "combat skin"
gray geode
Talking about armours, chief in the trailer of infinite has still the armor from the first. Does it mean infinite will be another timeline?
unique rune
no
vivid dust
this is absolutely not his armor from CE
humble yacht
it's new armor
unique rune
The armor seen in the Infinite trailer(s) is a new GEN3 suit.
humble yacht
it just looks like old armor
heavy linden
Could be gen 3 yeah
gray geode
Oh, sorry, my bad.
gilded mason
Could be gen 3 yeah
It says it's Gen3 in the trailer
heavy linden
Missed that
gray geode
Triple oof
heavy linden
Watched it on mobile
versed helm
@Blood#6082 the infinity was in production for 30 years I think
heavy linden
Text is tiny
gray geode
I was on the xbox.
modest marsh
It was also manufactured 4 months after Halo 5
gray geode
Quad oof
gilded mason
Yeah.
heavy linden
Probably built onboard Infinity?
gray geode
Game logic, don't question it.
warped nimbus
GEN3 Is a mix between the old look and new tech
And apparently the 4-5 armor was literally just 343's take on that armor
versed helm
Would he domain be affected by an emp?
modest marsh
No nova
humble yacht
probably not
modest marsh
The halo 5 armor is GEN2
feral perch
^^^
glad hill
Is it not just MJOLNIR MkVI in this new game?
warped nimbus
never said 5 was GEN3, said Infinite was GEN3, a mix of old and new
unique rune
It could be that Chief's Gen 3 suit is the only one they managed to produce during the crisis. And they gave it to him because he's the Chief
modest marsh
All armor featured in halo 5 including the classic looking ones classify as GEN2
humble yacht
I doubt they're mass producing Gen 3 at this point
gray geode
Seems fair.
warped nimbus
yea, i meant that it's style is supposed to still look like MK6
gilded mason
Sounds like favoritism to me!
heavy linden
Niomi "has" gen 3 kinda. Mk VII was the test bed
modest marsh
Their aesthetic doesn’t dictate their performance or features dramatically
warped nimbus
never said it did?
unique rune
010's Mark VII is more of a prototype for GEN2.
heavy linden
It's specifically called out as being the prototype for a lot of gen 3
unique rune
Is it?
Hm.
heavy linden
Shaping the sheilds and things
heavy linden
4s campaign mark VI was what I never quite got. At least the pre being reunited with the UNSC. I get changing the firmware but the entire look while in cryo?
gilded mason
That's just art changes.
gilded mason
I don't really buy that one
gray geode
Nanomachines, son.
humble yacht
it's true
feral perch
nanobots which function in temperatures that suppress body activity
humble yacht
Grim confirmed
feral perch
wooowwww
heavy linden
Which never popped up anywhere else?
In the lore until they to not just call it an art change
humble yacht
in all likelihood, it was shoehorned in to give canonical justification to the new look
which imo they didn't need to do
warped nimbus
wasn't it confirmed it was just an art cha- what Jum said
unique rune
Still really wish his new armor was just something he got after meeting up with Infinity.
Nanobots was a silly attempt at a retcon.
heavy linden
Honestly. Just should've said it was an art changr
gilded mason
Grim confirmed
Oh. Where could I read about that/hear it? Never really made sense, especially since it kept the huge dents on his armor from Halo 3.
heavy linden
Or not wanting to make a gen 1 version of the suit for a few missions
humble yacht
well it's true
gilded mason
Eh.
glad hill
Why don't you buy it?
warped nimbus
I don't think he actually updated his suit until after the campaign
when he took it off
rigid loom
We should just be happy it's changing a bit, nothing wrong with the newer suit too
humble yacht
Halopedia has 3 sources on it
feral perch
How do those nanobots work in temperatures that keep the human body from aging and functioning beyond the bare minimum?
humble yacht
you can view those for confirmation
waxen slate
Because machines are more resilient than humans
gilded mason
Why did the armor dents stay through all that?
humble yacht
¯_(ツ)_/¯
waxen slate
Maybe Chief liked the look
gilded mason
While asleep?
waxen slate
At least his visor isnt cracked anymore
warped nimbus
Because it's just an art change
feral perch
Nanobots aren't large durable structures.
waxen slate
There is no proper justification as to why Locke stood a chance against the Chief but its the nanobots that really take the cake huh
autumn gust
Machines don't need heat to function, nanobots or otherwise
unique rune
I always reasoned that the chest plate damage came from his fall into Requiem, and that any appearances before were just because of lack of resources.
feral perch
red herring
humble yacht
yes, in the game, she only said firmware. in all likelihood it started out as a simply art style change, but then they added in canonical reasoning after the fact
heavy linden
Eh. Locke v Chief isn't that unbelievable
feral perch
we're not talking about Locke and Chief
humble yacht
you don't have to like it, but it's real
waxen slate
I’m not using it as an arguing point
feral perch
you brought it up
gilded mason
but then they added in canonical reasoning after the fact
Kinda annoying when they do that sorta thing.
heavy linden
Gen 2 makes up for most of the differences between the classes
warped nimbus
I don't think the retcon reason was even full canon
waxen slate
That’s illogical to use as a red herring if its a tangent rather than a direct arguing point
warped nimbus
just a fan theory they took
feral perch
I really think they shouldn't have bothered to explain lore-wise why his armor was different. Why were there BR85s and MA5Ds on the FUD?
unique rune
I mean. If it's an officially accepted fan theory, then it's not really a fan theory anymore, is it?
feral perch
you only said it wasn't a direct point after-the-fact bruh
warped nimbus
it's crappy canon, and might even be retconned again with the art shift back
humble yacht
The canonical reasoning for the shift back appears to be brand new armor
so no need to retcon
waxen slate
I shouldnt need to say it. Anyways, it’s a good point about 343. Believable or not, it’s what 343 wants to make canon so its canon. Anything else you want to believe is headcanon then.
unique rune
@feral perch If I remember correctly, the canon explanation is that the Dawn was carrying experimental weaponry and tech (like nanobots) or something like that.
Though I can't remember if that's actual canon or just fan speculation.
autumn gust
It's not getting retconned. They wanted to make a new suit, and didn't have the resources to also make the old suit for the first few missions. It's as simple as that. People were confused so they added a canon explanation the only way they could.
feral perch
Chief puts an MA5C away at the end of Halo 3, and wakes up with an MA5D.
autumn gust
REgardless of the canon, there was no real way around the whole situation
heavy linden
Well
The way around was just saying we didn't want to make a bunch of extra models
For one mission
humble yacht
The fact that H4's opening cutscene shows multiple Spartans with that style of armor suggests that they fully intended for that to be their take on mark VI
warped nimbus
^
autumn gust
Or just,again, a lack of resources to make the old armor
humble yacht
but then I guess people complained or questioned it, so they responded by changing the canon
glad hill
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