#lore-and-universe | Halo | Page 192

versed helm Jun 1, 2019, 2:59 AM

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What do we know about the spartan Keiichi 047?

dreamy tulip Jun 1, 2019, 3:07 AM

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Hi

final plume Jun 1, 2019, 3:11 AM

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How do you think Elites eat?

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Like do you think they have a bottom lip or a 5th mandible?

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Or maybe do the bottoms of their mouths always just stay open and they somehow just retract their bottom 2 mandibles inwards?

last anchor Jun 1, 2019, 3:25 AM

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Their mandibles are very flexible and the teeth inside it are seriously sharp. They can probably tear chunks off while holding it in place with the rest of it, and we know they can pull their mandibles together into an almost human face

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They eat meat, grain, fruit and vegetables, an drink so

vague scroll Jun 1, 2019, 3:38 AM

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@versed helm everything we know on S-047 can be found summarized fairly well over on Halopedia.

abstract zealot Jun 1, 2019, 3:39 AM

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Imagine a sangheili extending their mandibles to eat something that’s too big to chew.

versed helm Jun 1, 2019, 3:48 AM

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Yeah, @vague scroll read all about. I am curious if there was anything hidden/not written in this server,

vague scroll Jun 1, 2019, 3:49 AM

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you won't find any lore in here

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this is just a discussion page, there isn't any Halo lore to discover on this discord server

fair hazel Jun 1, 2019, 3:54 AM

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Pretty sure @obsidian thistle will give @versed helm some nice info about keiichi gladly

versed helm Jun 1, 2019, 4:16 AM

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@obsidian thistle , any info about Keiichi?

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@vague scroll , I know.

unique rune Jun 1, 2019, 4:42 AM

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I'm pretty sure CIA's said before that if it's not on Halopedia, he won't have any more information on it.

abstract zealot Jun 1, 2019, 4:58 AM

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Yeah, anything that he says will always be on Halopedia or will soon be. If it’s something that is more of a head canon or a speculation than he’ll usually specify that it’s not canon.

dreamy tulip Jun 1, 2019, 5:30 AM

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Hello

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How many Spartan lazer models are there in the lore and when was the first one made?

abstract zealot Jun 1, 2019, 5:54 AM

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Well there isn’t an exact date when it was created, though there are dates are around the time it first saw use. In 2531 during the later part of the Harvest Campaign is when we saw the sparrow hawk use it. The only hand held model is the M6/E. There is however M6 variants on the sparrow hawk (Halo Wars vehicle) and the M8C G/GNC that is outfitted on the pelican that we flew in Halo 4 campaign.

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Hopefully that helps @dreamy tulip

dreamy tulip Jun 1, 2019, 7:01 AM

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Ok

obsidian thistle Jun 1, 2019, 8:54 AM

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Oh to run down the list

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https://www.halopedia.org/Keiichi-047

Halopedia

Keiichi-047

Keiichi-047 is a SPARTAN-II supersoldier of the UNSC Naval Special Warfare Command. He served during the Harvest campaign in February 2531.

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Thats Keiichi. Nothing much known about em bar whats there essentially.

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Spartan Laser Variants
We have the normal one (M6) which seems to have a few models.
https://www.halopedia.org/images/6/64/H4-SpartanLaser.png

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We have the M6/E which appears in Halo 5 alongside several variants of it.
https://www.halopedia.org/images/5/55/H5G-M6E.png

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And the rest has been said already. Just had to clear up the M6/E thing above.

tardy zodiac Jun 1, 2019, 9:29 AM

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UNSC Valiant VS UNSC Autumn
Which one is more strong?

remote wharf Jun 1, 2019, 9:30 AM

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https://halo.fandom.com/wiki/Autumn-class_heavy_cruiser

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https://halo.fandom.com/wiki/Valiant-class_super-heavy_cruiser

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compare them here

unique rune Jun 1, 2019, 9:30 AM

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Fandom/Wikia
eugh

inner basin Jun 1, 2019, 9:31 AM

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I would say Valiant if you are talking about it going up against the Pillar of Autumn, as it is a heavy class and the Pillar is a light class, whereas if you are talking about the Autumn class of ships, then for sure the Autumn class because it features energy shielding @tardy zodiac

unique rune Jun 1, 2019, 9:33 AM

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thinkingchief

inner basin Jun 1, 2019, 9:33 AM

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(I got my info from Halopedia for obvious reasons)

tardy zodiac Jun 1, 2019, 9:35 AM

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Heavy version

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I'm talking about

unique rune Jun 1, 2019, 9:35 AM

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Gah. Sometimes I get the Halcyon-class and Marathon-class mixed up and end up thinking the Pillar of Autumn was a Marathon so I was a bit confused.

tardy zodiac Jun 1, 2019, 9:35 AM

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Not Pillar of Autumn

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I'm taking about Autumn class

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Heavy Cruiser

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Then UNSC Autumn wins

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k..

inner basin Jun 1, 2019, 9:35 AM

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^ Yeah well the Autumn class like I said in my answer above. It has energy shielding

unique rune Jun 1, 2019, 9:35 AM

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Then... specify that you’re referring to classes.

tardy zodiac Jun 1, 2019, 9:36 AM

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Doesn't Valiant have energy shield too?

inner basin Jun 1, 2019, 9:36 AM

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Nope, not that we can see of Halopedia

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Generally ships commissioned before or during the war don’t have incorporated energy shields

tardy zodiac Jun 1, 2019, 9:37 AM

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How about

unique rune Jun 1, 2019, 9:37 AM

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Valiants are a pre-Human-Covenant War design that never received shield upgrades.

tardy zodiac Jun 1, 2019, 9:37 AM

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Ships on the war against Forerunners

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And AI girl

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I forgot her name

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cortana?

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Cortana? is it?

unique rune Jun 1, 2019, 9:37 AM

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what

tardy zodiac Jun 1, 2019, 9:37 AM

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Master Chief's girlfriend

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Um

inner basin Jun 1, 2019, 9:37 AM

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What?

unique rune Jun 1, 2019, 9:37 AM

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Not Chief’s girlfriend, but, sure, that would be Cortana.

tardy zodiac Jun 1, 2019, 9:37 AM

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AI

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Cortana

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There

unique rune Jun 1, 2019, 9:38 AM

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There’s a hell of a lot of female AI...

tardy zodiac Jun 1, 2019, 9:38 AM

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Do UNSC Vessels in war against Forerunners and Cortana have Energy shield or not?

inner basin Jun 1, 2019, 9:38 AM

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It depends what brain they’re made from that determines on their gender, at least post-war.

tardy zodiac Jun 1, 2019, 9:39 AM

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Do UNSC Vessels in war against Forerunners and Cortana have Energy shield or not?

unique rune Jun 1, 2019, 9:39 AM

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We saw it the first time, no need to repost it within 5 minutes.

inner basin Jun 1, 2019, 9:39 AM

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Cortana doesn’t have energy shields because she is just an AI

unique rune Jun 1, 2019, 9:39 AM

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And the answer to that would be that it depends

tardy zodiac Jun 1, 2019, 9:39 AM

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Beast you misunderstood it

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I'm taking about

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UNSC Ships

unique rune Jun 1, 2019, 9:39 AM

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Some UNSC ship classes have shields, others don’t.

tardy zodiac Jun 1, 2019, 9:40 AM

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Ok i'm disappointing to future humanity

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I thought they had energy shield!

inner basin Jun 1, 2019, 9:40 AM

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Your not making a whole lot of sense

unique rune Jun 1, 2019, 9:40 AM

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Some are intended to receive shield upgrades and refits but haven’t yet, such as various Strident-classes.

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Humanity is quite literally recovering from a three-decade long war that they almost lost.

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They aren’t going to be up and running immediately.

tardy zodiac Jun 1, 2019, 9:41 AM

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Valiant has no energy shield... disappointing

inner basin Jun 1, 2019, 9:41 AM

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However the internally Strident class ships inside the Infinity do have energy shields

tardy zodiac Jun 1, 2019, 9:41 AM

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Valiant was my most favorite ship

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No Shield?!?!

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nuuu

unique rune Jun 1, 2019, 9:41 AM

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Why are you surprised by this...?

tardy zodiac Jun 1, 2019, 9:41 AM

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I thought it had shield

unique rune Jun 1, 2019, 9:41 AM

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It’s a pre-war ship design.

tardy zodiac Jun 1, 2019, 9:41 AM

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nuu

carmine sleet Jun 1, 2019, 9:41 AM

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Wait, let me make sure that I'm understanding this right, Racon is upset that not all UNSC ships have shielding?

tardy zodiac Jun 1, 2019, 9:42 AM

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No

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Only valiant

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Not upset

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I just lost my mental

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Ugh god

unique rune Jun 1, 2019, 9:42 AM

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It wasn’t designed with energy shields in mind because humanity hadn’t discovered energy shield tech yet.

inner basin Jun 1, 2019, 9:42 AM

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No he is upset that the Valiant-class ships don’t have energy shields although it is a pre-war design

tardy zodiac Jun 1, 2019, 9:42 AM

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Correct

unique rune Jun 1, 2019, 9:43 AM

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...And Valiants would have shields... why...?

inner basin Jun 1, 2019, 9:44 AM

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Well as long as you know, humanity didn’t have shielding technology out at the time the Valiant-class ships were constructed and so they don’t have shields

unique rune Jun 1, 2019, 9:44 AM

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I mean, sure, I guess they could be refitted for them, but the UNSC didn’t really ever do that, last I checked...

inner basin Jun 1, 2019, 9:44 AM

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^ They didn’t do it because humanity didn’t have many ships left after the war

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Only about 30 I’d say

tardy zodiac Jun 1, 2019, 9:45 AM

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UNSC and UEG had to fix dead planets

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Instead of putting energy shield on ships

inner basin Jun 1, 2019, 9:46 AM

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They repopulated planets like Harvest, Tribute and Reach as far as I know, but I may be missing some

tardy zodiac Jun 1, 2019, 9:46 AM

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Wait

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Infinity VS CSO?

carmine sleet Jun 1, 2019, 9:46 AM

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Reestablishing colonies that were lost in the war is something that I'd say is much more important than adding shields to old ships

inner basin Jun 1, 2019, 9:47 AM

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Especially since they’re not at war anymore

tardy zodiac Jun 1, 2019, 9:47 AM

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Infinity VS CSO hmm

inner basin Jun 1, 2019, 9:47 AM

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Infinity

tardy zodiac Jun 1, 2019, 9:47 AM

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But

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Isn't CSO more bigger?

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It's 25000 meters i guess

inner basin Jun 1, 2019, 9:47 AM

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Size doesn’t matter, armament does

tardy zodiac Jun 1, 2019, 9:47 AM

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Noooooo

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I supported Covenant

inner basin Jun 1, 2019, 9:48 AM

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Infinity has 2 (forward) MAC cannons

tardy zodiac Jun 1, 2019, 9:48 AM

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Wha

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Isn't it 5?

inner basin Jun 1, 2019, 9:48 AM

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I meant 2 forward MAC cannons

carmine sleet Jun 1, 2019, 9:48 AM

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Indeed, it's the same with armies as well, you could have the bigger and stronger army, but if the smaller army is smarter and uses the terrain to their advantage, they can beat their enemy

tardy zodiac Jun 1, 2019, 9:49 AM

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There is 5

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There are*

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Supermac

carmine sleet Jun 1, 2019, 9:49 AM

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Obviously in space there's less terrain and more empty space but still

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Also, Beast specifically said forward MAC cannons

inner basin Jun 1, 2019, 9:49 AM

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Well although more reason Infinity should theoretically win Racon

tardy zodiac Jun 1, 2019, 9:49 AM

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I'm takking about

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Front mac

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Beast DM

inner basin Jun 1, 2019, 9:50 AM

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Why?

carmine sleet Jun 1, 2019, 9:52 AM

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Also, the Infinity has 4 CR-03B, Series 8 MACs (2 bow, 2 bow flank) and a network of 10 Dorsal Mark 2551 MACs, Racon, that's more than five MAC cannons

inner basin Jun 1, 2019, 9:53 AM

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He was saying there is 5 at the bow which is incorrect

carmine sleet Jun 1, 2019, 9:53 AM

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Indeed, there's only two, with two on the bow flank

inner basin Jun 1, 2019, 9:55 AM

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He sent me a gif of the two MACs firing at the Didact’s flagship in Halo 4, saying there’s apparently 5, even though it clearly shows two beams being fired

carmine sleet Jun 1, 2019, 9:56 AM

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Yeah, the maths doesn't add up there

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Ok, I think I know why they think there's five MACs, in Halo 4 and Spartan Ops, the model showed it having five MACs opposed to the canonical four, this was corrected in Halo 5 though

inner basin Jun 1, 2019, 10:04 AM

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But the two MAC cannon points are clearly outlined. Wait a minute

carmine sleet Jun 1, 2019, 10:04 AM

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I was going off of what it said on Halopedia

inner basin Jun 1, 2019, 10:05 AM

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It showed the two canons in the incorrect position, I believe

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And in the original position, was those 5 he may’ve been talking about

carmine sleet Jun 1, 2019, 10:06 AM

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Maybe, but either way, it's an error made in Halo 4 and so isn't how the ship looks canonically

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So you're right from a lore perspective but Racon is right when looking at the Halo 4 model of the ship

inner basin Jun 1, 2019, 10:08 AM

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I mean if Infinity was introduced in Halo 4 why would they not stick with the 5 MAC cannons at the front?

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Is that overkill?

carmine sleet Jun 1, 2019, 10:09 AM

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Not really but it seems like the lore stated it had four MACs opposed to five so for Halo 5 they decided to fix that by making sure it only had four MACs

inner basin Jun 1, 2019, 10:10 AM

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I mean I guess the Infinity is kinda strong as it is let alone it having 3 extra forward facing MACs

carmine sleet Jun 1, 2019, 10:12 AM

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Yeah, especially considering it rammed through a RCS-class armored cruiser and didn't seem to have its shields flicker at all from the impact

inner basin Jun 1, 2019, 10:14 AM

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It rammed through without a care. Poor Covenant didn’t even stand a chance

carmine sleet Jun 1, 2019, 10:14 AM

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Indeed

versed helm Jun 1, 2019, 11:01 AM

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How about the infinity and eternity (if it ever gets finished) vs 4 cso

obsidian thistle Jun 1, 2019, 11:59 AM

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Well seeing as the Infinity would struggle on its own to kill 1 CSO.

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4 would be overkill for it

versed helm Jun 1, 2019, 12:22 PM

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But with the eternity

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So 18 ships vs 4

versed helm Jun 1, 2019, 1:31 PM

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Also the battle is very unlikely since the only covenant ships left are smaller ships

vague scroll Jun 1, 2019, 4:31 PM

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A Paris-class frigate could barely stand up to a SDV unshielded Covenant corvette. Frigates are good for fire support but not much else. Against a CSO, or 4, the Infinity and it’s escorts are still outmatches. And even with the assistance of the Eternity and her escorts.

versed helm Jun 1, 2019, 5:37 PM

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The infinity and eternity have 16 if the best unsc ships in there underbelly and then there escort fleet so roughly 50+ of the best unsc ships

unique rune Jun 1, 2019, 5:38 PM

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So why exactly are escort vessels being brought into this...?

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Seems a bit unfair since Stridents or Anlaces aren't really a fixed part of the Infinity's complement...

modest marsh Jun 1, 2019, 5:47 PM

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Aren’t they? It holds them

unique rune Jun 1, 2019, 5:48 PM

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I mean, I guess? I just don't particularly consider them to be part of the Infinity itself since they're their own distinct vessels.

fair hazel Jun 1, 2019, 5:54 PM

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They're usually brought up together in most cases, part of its complement

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And there's a difference between a Paris and an SDV

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Sorry, a paris an an anlace/strident

versed helm Jun 1, 2019, 6:58 PM

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I mean, they're basically the same thing as like, a carrier's fighter compliment.

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Just, y'know. Heavily armed frigates instead.

carmine sleet Jun 1, 2019, 9:49 PM

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So here's a question that popped into my head, do we have any idea where Sandtrap is located in the galaxy?

obsidian thistle Jun 1, 2019, 9:54 PM

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We have no idea.

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Granted its in a long list of "maps we have no idea where they are located, but as they are in Wargames ONI must have scans off"

carmine sleet Jun 1, 2019, 10:01 PM

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That's fair. Would be nice for them to explore where the location of some of the maps are in the future, doesn't matter what form they do that in, would just be a nice way of adding some more tidbits of lore to those maps

modest marsh Jun 1, 2019, 11:03 PM

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Come to think of it, are any on the Ark?

gilded mason Jun 1, 2019, 11:04 PM

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Come to think of it, are any on the Ark?
Any of the Halo 3 maps?

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At the very least, Epitaph and Citadel.

carmine sleet Jun 1, 2019, 11:06 PM

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Isn't Narrows a cooling system on the Ark as well?

gilded mason Jun 1, 2019, 11:06 PM

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Ye, that one too

modest marsh Jun 1, 2019, 11:06 PM

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Hmm

gilded mason Jun 1, 2019, 11:07 PM

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Oh. And Isolation and Valhalla

modest marsh Jun 1, 2019, 11:08 PM

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I would say as a rule a given map most likely is in a location already featured in the campaign

wispy bough Jun 1, 2019, 11:08 PM

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looks at Forge World in Reach

modest marsh Jun 1, 2019, 11:08 PM

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Alpha Halo is in Reach

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😛

wispy bough Jun 1, 2019, 11:08 PM

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Did they confirm that Halo ring was Alpha Halo?

modest marsh Jun 1, 2019, 11:09 PM

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I mean

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It’s in Fireteam Raven

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Like the same geometry and everything

wispy bough Jun 1, 2019, 11:09 PM

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So no

carmine sleet Jun 1, 2019, 11:09 PM

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It's confirmed to be on a Halo at least

grizzled marsh Jun 1, 2019, 11:17 PM

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So, CIA made an entirely valid point one time about Forge World (and I guess it could apply to any unknown Halo ring maps): it could entirely be made by ONI. We know that Raid on Apex 7 is set on an entirely fictional ring as part of Project BLACKBALL, so I wouldn't doubt it if others were made up too.

modest marsh Jun 1, 2019, 11:32 PM

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@wispy bough if Forge World’s specific look, shape, and general layout is featured in a location that canonically takes place on Alpha Halo

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...it’s probably meant to be Alpha Halo

wispy bough Jun 1, 2019, 11:33 PM

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But not confirmed anywhere - that's what I'm asking

modest marsh Jun 1, 2019, 11:33 PM

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Ah

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No, it’s not

wispy bough Jun 1, 2019, 11:33 PM

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Gotcha

modest marsh Jun 1, 2019, 11:33 PM

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Presumption on my part then, fair point

wispy bough Jun 1, 2019, 11:33 PM

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Sorry, I wasn't trying to be awkward. I know people were wondering a while ago and I didn't know if it had been revealed at some point.

modest marsh Jun 1, 2019, 11:33 PM

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Yeah, I get you

keen brook Jun 1, 2019, 11:39 PM

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legendary

hybrid musk Jun 2, 2019, 12:42 AM

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Is RvB in the halo universe canon cuz throughout the games we get easter eggs involving the series

gilded mason Jun 2, 2019, 12:42 AM

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No.

hybrid musk Jun 2, 2019, 12:43 AM

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Oh ok

versed helm Jun 2, 2019, 6:21 AM

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Not even slightly.

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You need to have both minimal knowledge of the RvB and Halo universes to even consider for a second asking whether or not they might exist together.

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So I'd suggest reading up.

uncut heron Jun 2, 2019, 6:23 AM

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Well I just thought RvB was some kind of a “Parody” than a halo series

versed helm Jun 2, 2019, 6:28 AM

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It absolutely is.

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But parodies do not take place in the same reality that they're parodying. Typically.

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And RvB's backstory elements are thoroughly incompatible.

abstract zealot Jun 2, 2019, 6:30 AM

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Actually there’s a surprising amount of people who think RvB is apart of lore. These people are usually the ones who only play the games.

versed helm Jun 2, 2019, 6:30 AM

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I have many words to describe these people, few of which I can use on this server.

last anchor Jun 2, 2019, 6:31 AM

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If RvB was real, the Freelancers would have been buried in S-IIIs the moment ONI found out what Dr. Church was doing

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Like, they would have just opened a door on the Mother of Invention and 300+ angry war criming children would have swarmed out and taken the place over

versed helm Jun 2, 2019, 6:31 AM

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They must have exceptionally low standards for world building and storytelling, though.

last anchor Jun 2, 2019, 6:31 AM

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Thats...kind of the majority of the fandom

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Of many, actually

versed helm Jun 2, 2019, 6:31 AM

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I hate people.

last anchor Jun 2, 2019, 6:32 AM

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On the subject of the connections between RvB and Halo, 343 has officially stated that RvB seems like a show that people in the Halo universe would watch

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So...perhaps thats the best thing we can get. Its a TV show there as it is here

unique rune Jun 2, 2019, 6:32 AM

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exceptionally low standards

I feel like that’s being nice... especially considering there’s people who genuinely think the events of H4/5 should just be dreams that Chief has in cryo.

last anchor Jun 2, 2019, 6:33 AM

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I hate that

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You dont DREAM in cryo, everyone knows that

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You dream coming OUT of cryo but while your in cryo NADA is happening. Nothing.

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You are, for all intense and purposes, frozen literally in time

abstract zealot Jun 2, 2019, 6:33 AM

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Clearly not everyone.

versed helm Jun 2, 2019, 6:33 AM

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*Literally frozen

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Need more be said?

last anchor Jun 2, 2019, 6:34 AM

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Sadly, for some, yes.

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Again I will comment that I kind of wish we would have an official crossover with RvB and the main Halo series, mostly so we can show just how overly superior the S-IIs through IVs are to the Freelancers.

abstract zealot Jun 2, 2019, 6:35 AM

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Also, I know little of RvB as it doesn’t seem interesting. But did project freelancer agents start as little kids?

unique rune Jun 2, 2019, 6:35 AM

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~~Some of the OCs I remember seeing in Waypoint’s official OC Spartan thread hurt me almost physically.~~

last anchor Jun 2, 2019, 6:35 AM

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RvB's back lore says no Rush

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They were just normal soldiers taken in because of various reasons.

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Apperently they started with 50, the ones we see in the Freelancer arch were the survivors

unique rune Jun 2, 2019, 6:35 AM

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kinda like Spartan-IV
but worse

last anchor Jun 2, 2019, 6:35 AM

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So technically, Freelancer had a worse washout rate than S-II

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And yes. With no augmentations, no shields, no proper training, and no team cohesion

abstract zealot Jun 2, 2019, 6:36 AM

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Okay. Then they wouldn’t be buried in the SIIIs.

versed helm Jun 2, 2019, 6:36 AM

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Spartan OCs in general hurt me physically

last anchor Jun 2, 2019, 6:36 AM

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I mean tliterally buried Rush. As in; theres IIIs EVERYWHERE

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Like, literally buried under screaming children

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In semi-powered armor

unique rune Jun 2, 2019, 6:36 AM

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I remember reading one OC that had like, blue streaks in his hair, and was a human-Forerunner hybrid. Reading that whole profile made me want to die.

abstract zealot Jun 2, 2019, 6:36 AM

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Oh you mean that. I misinterpreted it.

last anchor Jun 2, 2019, 6:37 AM

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I was poking fun at the "throw Spartans at it till it dies" tactic the IIIs were meant to be used in

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Its all good.

abstract zealot Jun 2, 2019, 6:37 AM

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Ah

versed helm Jun 2, 2019, 6:37 AM

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I uh, I enjoyed your joke Killer

last anchor Jun 2, 2019, 6:37 AM

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Simple fact of the matter is though, I think even SPI is more advanced than what we see of Freelancer kit

unique rune Jun 2, 2019, 6:37 AM

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I should really get caught up on the novels at some point...

versed helm Jun 2, 2019, 6:38 AM

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Yes.

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Do it.

last anchor Jun 2, 2019, 6:38 AM

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Halopedia's discord has a book club rn

abstract zealot Jun 2, 2019, 6:38 AM

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I’m assuming when you mean “OC” you mean original content that people make?

versed helm Jun 2, 2019, 6:38 AM

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Fan characters.

abstract zealot Jun 2, 2019, 6:38 AM

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Ah I figured.

unique rune Jun 2, 2019, 6:39 AM

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Smoke and Shadow was the last one I read, and I only got about halfway through before being sidetracked.

last anchor Jun 2, 2019, 6:39 AM

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Some are good. Most are not

versed helm Jun 2, 2019, 6:39 AM

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Honestly, I don't see why everyone would want to make a Spartan character. There's a lot more to Halo's universe than Spartans.

gilded mason Jun 2, 2019, 6:39 AM

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Indeed

versed helm Jun 2, 2019, 6:39 AM

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I guess they're kinda the big ass-kicking thing, though

gilded mason Jun 2, 2019, 6:39 AM

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...Like Elites.

abstract zealot Jun 2, 2019, 6:39 AM

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A lot annoy me. Which is why I try and make mine lore friendly, especially since I wanna get a job in Halos story design.

last anchor Jun 2, 2019, 6:39 AM

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@versed helm My dude, be eternally glad you weren't on Tumblr around the time Halo 4 came out

versed helm Jun 2, 2019, 6:39 AM

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Like Elites indeed.

last anchor Jun 2, 2019, 6:39 AM

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Good lord, the OC spartans.
IIs. IIs everywhere

unique rune Jun 2, 2019, 6:39 AM

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but Sportinz kool and me fan character needz to be uber murder killer man

last anchor Jun 2, 2019, 6:40 AM

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and then IIIs became the cool thing and then all of a sudden they were all angsty sad

versed helm Jun 2, 2019, 6:40 AM

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For some reason I read that as Sporticus first

last anchor Jun 2, 2019, 6:40 AM

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Because "my family is dead"

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Hell, the Halo RP community on Tumblr still seems to mostly be S-IIIs

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And one Jorge

versed helm Jun 2, 2019, 6:40 AM

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Aggressive forearm movements

abstract zealot Jun 2, 2019, 6:42 AM

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I’ve started out with Spartans as it’s something I love and consider it a fun and challenging way to implement into lore. For example I have only 5 SIIs, currently 19 SIIIs (though it will be changed soon to 7) and like 10 fireteams of SIVs, 4ish teams of SIVs Headhunters and 3 teams SIII hunters.

That’s not including all the sangheili, Jiralhanae, Unggoy, Kig-Yar and everything else I’ve made and plan to make.

last anchor Jun 2, 2019, 6:53 AM

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You do more than most fans do, and I applaud you

abstract zealot Jun 2, 2019, 6:58 AM

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Thank you. I’m still new to making stories but it’s honestly something that’s super freaking fun to do.

inner basin Jun 2, 2019, 8:15 AM

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I agree ^

hybrid musk Jun 2, 2019, 9:38 AM

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I made one heck of a discussion by asking if rvb is canon

obsidian thistle Jun 2, 2019, 10:00 AM

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RvB aint canon. Like most References are external or are just namesakes like this...

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https://www.halopedia.org/PUMA

Halopedia

PUMA

PUMA is a human corporation that creates tires for the M12 Warthog.

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And yes that was a "ace" find a Halopedian made recently xD

hybrid musk Jun 2, 2019, 10:05 AM

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I just said i made a discussion asking if rvb is canon im not asking if its canon i kno dat its not cannon

versed helm Jun 2, 2019, 11:20 AM

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PUMA tires were made canon in halo 3 onwards though

obsidian thistle Jun 2, 2019, 11:22 AM

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Oh we didnt know if that was a name, a company, and so on.

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It was really weird.

versed helm Jun 2, 2019, 11:24 AM

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oh, lol tires are always named after the company

obsidian thistle Jun 2, 2019, 11:39 AM

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Halo Universe + 500 years in the future ≠ reality

versed helm Jun 2, 2019, 12:01 PM

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i doubt naming conventions for something already well over 100 years in place will change lol

hybrid musk Jun 2, 2019, 12:11 PM

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Rtx = Oni

stoic hamlet Jun 2, 2019, 3:32 PM

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What’s this about poorly made III’s?

fair hazel Jun 2, 2019, 3:43 PM

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Over hundreds of years...

keen brook Jun 2, 2019, 8:09 PM

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Chief is probably gonna be the main villain in infinite

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😛

wispy bough Jun 2, 2019, 8:10 PM

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[X] Doubt

carmine sleet Jun 2, 2019, 8:13 PM

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Is there room for one more to doubt?

feral perch Jun 2, 2019, 8:22 PM

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We all know who the real villain will be

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A disgruntled employee from Traxus Tower on Reach

abstract zealot Jun 2, 2019, 8:31 PM

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If I’m playing with my friends in the campaign and they’re Chief, then he’ll definitely be the main villain.

hybrid musk Jun 2, 2019, 10:46 PM

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Halo Infinite war

quartz willow Jun 3, 2019, 10:26 AM

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Hello

obsidian thistle Jun 3, 2019, 10:39 AM

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Hello there

quartz willow Jun 3, 2019, 10:40 AM

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I really wanted to say general Kenobi but nah

carmine sleet Jun 3, 2019, 10:42 AM

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You just did

quartz willow Jun 3, 2019, 10:44 AM

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See that was the point

inner basin Jun 3, 2019, 11:37 AM

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This is for lore and universe talk. Speaking of lore and universe, do we know of any UNSC vehicles that aren’t named after an animal, or any Covenant vehicles that aren’t named after paranormal beings?

quartz willow Jun 3, 2019, 11:38 AM

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No

inner basin Jun 3, 2019, 11:39 AM

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And you’re 100% certain about that?

pallid talon Jun 3, 2019, 11:48 AM

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the space craft are named after balded weapons

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does that count

carmine sleet Jun 3, 2019, 11:50 AM

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You mean bladed weapons? And they do count

inner basin Jun 3, 2019, 11:54 AM

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Yeah, I guess, I mean it’s not named after an animal after all

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Can you give examples for context? @pallid talon

modest marsh Jun 3, 2019, 11:55 AM

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Scarabs and their cousins aren’t paranormals

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Longswords, Shortswords, Broadswords, Sabres

abstract zealot Jun 3, 2019, 11:56 AM

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Now I’m just imaging Halo vehicles being name after hairstyles since that guy said bald instead.

pallid talon Jun 3, 2019, 11:56 AM

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@inner basin what he said

inner basin Jun 3, 2019, 11:57 AM

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Ahh yes, attack craft

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Completely forgot

pallid talon Jun 3, 2019, 11:57 AM

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gotta drive the pompadour @abstract zealot

inner basin Jun 3, 2019, 11:57 AM

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Don’t forget the mullet 😉

carmine sleet Jun 3, 2019, 11:57 AM

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Scarabs are associated with paranormal entities though @modest marsh

modest marsh Jun 3, 2019, 11:58 AM

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I mean you can say that about anything

inner basin Jun 3, 2019, 11:58 AM

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But is a scarab not similar looking to a beetle or some sort of insect like that?

abstract zealot Jun 3, 2019, 11:58 AM

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I believe so. Scarab is a name of some type of beetle.

modest marsh Jun 3, 2019, 11:58 AM

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It’s supposed to be in reference to an insectoid, yes

abstract zealot Jun 3, 2019, 12:00 PM

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Two examples of vehicles that are named after paranormal are ghost and wraith.

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I hate auto correct.

modest marsh Jun 3, 2019, 12:01 PM

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Revenant, Specter, Shadow

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Banshee

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Phantom

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Lich

inner basin Jun 3, 2019, 12:01 PM

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I still can’t get the link between the scarab and the traditional naming of Covenant vehicles

modest marsh Jun 3, 2019, 12:02 PM

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Propulsion method

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Antigrav Covie vehicles are connected to paranormal beings because of the noise they make

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Locusts are also insect-like walkers, so they are also named as such

inner basin Jun 3, 2019, 12:03 PM

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But Scarabs can fly a little bit, or at least have thrusters below the legs

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Particularly when dropping from orbit

modest marsh Jun 3, 2019, 12:04 PM

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Those seem to be for softening the impact from drops only

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It’s an excavation platform after all

inner basin Jun 3, 2019, 12:04 PM

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But the Covenant have harvesters

abstract zealot Jun 3, 2019, 12:04 PM

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After the war is the only time we see that, and it’s used differently.

modest marsh Jun 3, 2019, 12:04 PM

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Different purposes

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Scarabs are the primary terrestrial excavation platforms employed by the Covenant as far as we know

quartz willow Jun 3, 2019, 12:05 PM

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Harvesters are meant solely for excavation

abstract zealot Jun 3, 2019, 12:05 PM

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Think of a harvester as something more stationary while scarabs meant to be mobile.

quartz willow Jun 3, 2019, 12:05 PM

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Scarabs can be outfitted for any sort of situation

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Scarabs can be used in anti air roles anti vehicle roles and even anti personel roles. But they are primarily used for excavation

abstract zealot Jun 3, 2019, 12:06 PM

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Yeah.

quartz willow Jun 3, 2019, 12:06 PM

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They are also labeled super heavy infantry units by the covenant.

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Since they are technically a living thing

abstract zealot Jun 3, 2019, 12:07 PM

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That’s only because of the fact Lekgolo are inside some models.

inner basin Jun 3, 2019, 12:07 PM

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But would the Covenant not use their cruisers for excavation?

quartz willow Jun 3, 2019, 12:07 PM

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@abstract zealot yes the super scarab in halo wars isnt a super heavy infantry unit becuase 8t was assembled and piloted by troops

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@inner basinyes they would but only for certain situations

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Like 5he portal to the ark on earth

inner basin Jun 3, 2019, 12:08 PM

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The way they glassed Mombasa and Voi to excavate the portal to the Ark

abstract zealot Jun 3, 2019, 12:09 PM

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Gotta remember that different scenarios require different types of tools. Scarabs, Harvesters and Covenant ships with glassing beams are used for different levels of excavation.

inner basin Jun 3, 2019, 12:09 PM

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I guess that makes sense

quartz willow Jun 3, 2019, 12:10 PM

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The types of excavation that scarabs would take a long time to uncover @abstract zealot

inner basin Jun 3, 2019, 12:10 PM

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Like underground where Relics may be, they can’t glass

abstract zealot Jun 3, 2019, 12:10 PM

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I’m aware Cody.

quartz willow Jun 3, 2019, 12:10 PM

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Since the portal to the ark was so massive they used scarabs and covenant cruisers to uncover is

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It

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Ok

carmine sleet Jun 3, 2019, 12:11 PM

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Right, to explain why scarabs are linked to the supernatural, they were often put onto tombs in Ancient Egypt and the dung beetle was highly revered as sacred

quartz willow Jun 3, 2019, 12:11 PM

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Yea

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Locust were also a some what type if sacred in China and Japan if I remember correctly

abstract zealot Jun 3, 2019, 12:12 PM

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Nah, they just scare people (joking)

inner basin Jun 3, 2019, 12:12 PM

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Oh yeah, I saw that in the movie the Mommy @carmine sleet

quartz willow Jun 3, 2019, 12:12 PM

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Lol

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@inner basin oh that movie terrified me as a kid

abstract zealot Jun 3, 2019, 12:12 PM

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Same thing with Goblins.

inner basin Jun 3, 2019, 12:13 PM

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I loved it when I watched it when I was younger but the idea of them going under the skin was eugghh @quartz willow

abstract zealot Jun 3, 2019, 12:13 PM

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Don’t like skin crawlers? Lol

quartz willow Jun 3, 2019, 12:13 PM

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@inner basin yea I has nightmares if that for weeks

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That movie is what gave me a fear of bugs

abstract zealot Jun 3, 2019, 12:14 PM

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Bugs are why I hate bugs.

quartz willow Jun 3, 2019, 12:14 PM

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Lol

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I hate them for that movie and being attacked by a swarm of angry wasps

abstract zealot Jun 3, 2019, 12:15 PM

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Yeah, but good thing wasps are easy to shoot down...wrong wasps lol

quartz willow Jun 3, 2019, 12:16 PM

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Yea and if you kill a queen of any type of bee or wasp or hornet they act lost

carmine sleet Jun 3, 2019, 12:18 PM

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I mean, at least you don't seem to have a problem with spiders constantly coming up to you every day

abstract zealot Jun 3, 2019, 12:18 PM

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If I nickname my dog spider does that count?

quartz willow Jun 3, 2019, 12:19 PM

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I'm ok with spiders becuase there is a fly problem in my house and we have a spider in every room so for me they are chill

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I only hate big spiders

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Have you ever seen a picture of a goliath bird eater I almost fainted when I saw its size

carmine sleet Jun 3, 2019, 12:20 PM

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To be fair, I'm now at the point where they just don't bother me

abstract zealot Jun 3, 2019, 12:20 PM

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We should take this to #general-chat

quartz willow Jun 3, 2019, 12:20 PM

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Ok

tidal junco Jun 3, 2019, 12:32 PM

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You guys remember the halo 3 believe commercials where they interviewed veteran marines?

limpid kernel Jun 3, 2019, 12:39 PM

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i hate spiders theyre so scary and creepy and I hate them

tidal junco Jun 3, 2019, 12:39 PM

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I've like. Taken those too seriously, and I get extremely troubled when my marines die.

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O.

limpid kernel Jun 3, 2019, 12:42 PM

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yesterday i was playing TaR on heroic and i didn't let any marines die

tidal junco Jun 3, 2019, 12:44 PM

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I like try really hard to not let them die. I give them better guns when possible. I want them all to have hope in the chief.

limpid kernel Jun 3, 2019, 12:44 PM

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same

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i hate losing marines. someday they will return to their families and tell great stories about the Chief

quartz willow Jun 3, 2019, 12:46 PM

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@limpid kernel TaR

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?

obsidian thistle Jun 3, 2019, 12:46 PM

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Fun fact those Believe trailers are also canon.

limpid kernel Jun 3, 2019, 12:46 PM

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truth and reconciliation

tidal junco Jun 3, 2019, 12:46 PM

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I have a mental break down when I accidently tap one with a warthog and they just insta-die.

quartz willow Jun 3, 2019, 12:46 PM

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Aww

limpid kernel Jun 3, 2019, 12:49 PM

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just realized this is the lore channel

tidal junco Jun 3, 2019, 12:50 PM

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Why does just barely tapping someone with a warthog Insta kill marines? Can that be canon?

quartz willow Jun 3, 2019, 12:53 PM

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Probably not @tidal junco

limpid kernel Jun 3, 2019, 12:55 PM

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it insta kills anyone

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i guess they couldn't do the vehicle damage like the other games at the time

obsidian thistle Jun 3, 2019, 1:07 PM

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Gameplay doesnt equal canon

stoic hamlet Jun 3, 2019, 2:35 PM

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Gameplay is pretty far removed from canon

modest marsh Jun 3, 2019, 3:00 PM

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That said getting hit by a 3 ton vehicle hurts

tiny yarrow Jun 3, 2019, 3:09 PM

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It’s poetic license, right?

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 3:11 PM

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Vehicle impact damage is set to some ridiculously high number in the CE game files, I believe a thousand or higher

modest marsh Jun 3, 2019, 3:11 PM

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Poetic license?

versed helm Jun 3, 2019, 3:13 PM

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If gameplay was cannon then I would be a mass murderer during reach when I killed civilians and died killed more died killed more

modest marsh Jun 3, 2019, 3:15 PM

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I could go on and on about the egregious discrepancies you find in gameplay versus lore

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 3:16 PM

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I personally think that shield strength in the games is more canon than in any other media

stoic hamlet Jun 3, 2019, 3:17 PM

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But like......it’s not

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Shields are far different in lore compared to gameplay

modest marsh Jun 3, 2019, 3:17 PM

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It’s expressly not

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You see Tanaka fly through a Banshee in the first few minutes of Halo 5

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In game, you’d get splattered

stoic hamlet Jun 3, 2019, 3:18 PM

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Also how they behave in he books

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If that was translated to gameplay half the sandbox would be useless

modest marsh Jun 3, 2019, 3:19 PM

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There’s also the fact that War Games involve the use of live weapons

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To what extent is unclear

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But the Spartans obviously aren’t gunning each other down

versed helm Jun 3, 2019, 5:03 PM

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And also the prophet in wars 1 is it known how he escaped?

stoic hamlet Jun 3, 2019, 5:04 PM

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Regret

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He wasn’t in the planet during the final battle.

versed helm Jun 3, 2019, 5:06 PM

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Oh I thought he was since we saw him on it at some point near the end

marble aurora Jun 3, 2019, 5:07 PM

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Do you think we'll see the san'shaum return any time soon?

versed helm Jun 3, 2019, 5:22 PM

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No they are nearly extinct

carmine sleet Jun 3, 2019, 5:23 PM

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Doesn't mean they can't return in some form. Plus, it's believed there's a hidden group of them. Half Jaw is currently looking for them

violet vine Jun 3, 2019, 5:41 PM

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Forerunners vs Imperium+Covenant
Who is win?

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 6:08 PM

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Energy shields seem to be treated as inconsistently in cutscenes and books as both are compared to gameplay.

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So it's a matter of preference imho.

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There are multiple difficulty settings too; I'd say heroic is the most "realistic" if you can even say that

versed helm Jun 3, 2019, 6:15 PM

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So you all know the h4 lich ships it seems like they have autopilot

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They kinda do sort of

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They’re comprised of Lekgolo worms. Just like scarabs.

stoic hamlet Jun 3, 2019, 6:16 PM

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Heroic isn’t realistic in the slightest

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There is no accurate representation of canon via gameplay

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It would actually be impossible I think

unique rune Jun 3, 2019, 6:17 PM

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It'd be possible, it just probably wouldn't be any fun.

stoic hamlet Jun 3, 2019, 6:17 PM

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It would be so different to how we perceive things it wouldn’t really be a “game” in he traditional sense

versed helm Jun 3, 2019, 6:17 PM

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It’s technically possible with varying combinations of skulls

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But I think originally it was stated when asked, Master Chief plays on “heroic”

stoic hamlet Jun 3, 2019, 6:18 PM

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No even with skulls it’s just not possible.

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Everything acts differently in Lore

versed helm Jun 3, 2019, 6:18 PM

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I’m waiting for @obsidian thistle and his Canon-based difficulty guide

obsidian thistle Jun 3, 2019, 6:19 PM

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Tis gonna take awhile lol

gilded mason Jun 3, 2019, 6:19 PM

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Things are much more lethal on both sides in non-gameplay, where only a few hits can be the end for either you or the enemy. Not really sure about Prometheans, though

stoic hamlet Jun 3, 2019, 6:19 PM

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The plasma pistol, for example, will kill you even if it misses in Lore, simply because it’s so hot. The Plasma rifle can blow off limbs, the needler can rip people apart, etc

versed helm Jun 3, 2019, 6:19 PM

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You can take damage from a plasma pistol that misses in game

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It’s hard to do because of the arc and bullet magnetism, but very much possible

stoic hamlet Jun 3, 2019, 6:20 PM

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Yes, but it’s way more lethal in lore

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Everything is, technically

quartz willow Jun 3, 2019, 6:21 PM

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Yes

stoic hamlet Jun 3, 2019, 6:21 PM

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But also some things are basically irrelevant

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Most human weapons, for example, would have no effect on MJOLNIR.

quartz willow Jun 3, 2019, 6:23 PM

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Yea an AR would probably he like trying to through a rock at a steel beam @stoic hamlet

stoic hamlet Jun 3, 2019, 6:23 PM

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You’d run out of ammo before you could bring the shields down to half if we were going off off lore.

quartz willow Jun 3, 2019, 6:26 PM

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Exactly

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 6:27 PM

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So Sangheili combat harness shields are canonically weaker than Mjolnir shielding?

stoic hamlet Jun 3, 2019, 6:27 PM

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Yes

gilded mason Jun 3, 2019, 6:27 PM

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That sounds...weird

stoic hamlet Jun 3, 2019, 6:27 PM

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They go down in a few bursts

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MJOLNIR shields are based off Jackal Energy Gauntlets, not Sangheili shields

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 6:28 PM

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In the Fall of Reach, it takes two sniper rifle shots for Linda to pierce an Elite Ranger's shields

carmine sleet Jun 3, 2019, 6:28 PM

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Could've been a higher ranking Ranger

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 6:29 PM

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And I want to say it's sometimes drained an entire MA5 mag for Chief to kill an Elite of unknown rank

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I think Elite Minor shields at least would be weaker, but after that I think it really depends on the situation

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There aren't higher-ranking Rangers that we know of, also

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In Covenant hierarchy, rank and role are equivalent

carmine sleet Jun 3, 2019, 6:31 PM

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The BOBs from Reach are canonically known as Ranger Commanders

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 6:31 PM

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I didn't realize those were canon, hm

carmine sleet Jun 3, 2019, 6:32 PM

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Aye, they are, Halopedia even has a page on them https://www.halopedia.org/Sangheili_Ranger_Commander

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 6:35 PM

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I suppose that's possible then

modest marsh Jun 3, 2019, 6:51 PM

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Elites have always been more fragile

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Substantially

gilded mason Jun 3, 2019, 6:53 PM

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it takes two sniper rifle shots for Linda to pierce an Elite Ranger's shields
Five, actually.

modest marsh Jun 3, 2019, 6:54 PM

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Note not all combat harnesses are necessarily of the same grade

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Shadow of Intent even makes a point that its state of repair can impact its functionality, which may be the case for those using hand-me-down equipment or veterans who refuse to part with their kit out of sentimentality

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Also we don’t have much data on how Elite combat harnesses last in the long term

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We know MJOLNIR can function for extended periods without maintenance but I don’t know if the same can be said of Covenant equipment

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 6:58 PM

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Oh, was it that many? Yikes.

modest marsh Jun 3, 2019, 6:59 PM

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Who knows, maybe all the Covenant we fight in the games had weak batteries

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thinkingchief

gilded mason Jun 3, 2019, 6:59 PM

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Works for me lol

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 6:59 PM

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None of that had been established when Fall of Reach was written.

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I'd like to think that the harness used by that Ranger was pristine, though.

gilded mason Jun 3, 2019, 7:00 PM

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Shadow of Intent even makes a point that its state of repair can impact its functionality
Oh yeah, know the page number on that? Not disputing ya or anything.

modest marsh Jun 3, 2019, 7:01 PM

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I mean, it’s reasonably assumed not all highly technical pieces of equipment that use nonstandardized production methods will result in the same quality or level of reliability

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One sec

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I have the kindle version

gilded mason Jun 3, 2019, 7:01 PM

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Same

remote spruce Jun 3, 2019, 7:02 PM

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5? what is this, Halo 2 Legendary /s

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 7:02 PM

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nah it'd be like six or seven

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if that were the case lol

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I just don't think that any media's depiction of energy shielding is consistent enough to say that it's true canon. So I just go with gameplay.

gilded mason Jun 3, 2019, 7:04 PM

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Not to mention a lot of media kinda just forget shields exist in the first place.

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 7:05 PM

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It's frustrating, but having to pop someone's shields would lessen a dramatic moment I suppose, as far as cutscenes go.

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It would be interesting to see a spinoff game, where instead of a shield bar, the player has a little man icon with separate shield meters. For instance, the arms would be weaker than the chest, and the feet weaker than the head.

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That would simulate how energy shielding is spread over the armor in canon, where you have to thin the shielding out on hands and feet to maintain a decent grip.

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well, I say canon, as to how it works, but not its exact strength

modest marsh Jun 3, 2019, 7:09 PM

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Gameplay is irreconcilable because of the disparity in weapon strengths which aren’t internally consistent

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The DMR is roughly twice as powerful as the assault rifle in game despite both being similarly sized weapons that use identically sized cartridges

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 7:11 PM

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I saw a potential explanation for that one.

versed helm Jun 3, 2019, 7:11 PM

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To be fair. Chambering effects a cartridges effectiveness

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 7:11 PM

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Basically, the DMR shoots it rounds... uh yeah, that ^

modest marsh Jun 3, 2019, 7:11 PM

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Not doubling

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And really there’s no evidence within the game that it works out that way

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Alternatively, the H5 magnum does equal damage

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As does the Hannibal Mantis’s gauss cannon

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 7:13 PM

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Oh well.

modest marsh Jun 3, 2019, 7:13 PM

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The battle rifle actually does less damage per shot than any other loadout weapon except the SMG

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Its advantage over the assault rifle is its instant headshot kills which is obviously gameplay weirdness considering AR shots also do bonus damage on headshots, they’re just not instant kills

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 7:15 PM

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Only in CE and 5

inner basin Jun 3, 2019, 7:15 PM

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What’s the conversation about?

modest marsh Jun 3, 2019, 7:15 PM

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Another reason why it’s unreliable

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Differences between games

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 7:15 PM

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Which energy shielding is canon.

inner basin Jun 3, 2019, 7:15 PM

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None

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 7:15 PM

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Books, comics, cutscenes or gameplay.

modest marsh Jun 3, 2019, 7:15 PM

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Context is important to consider in whatever case

inner basin Jun 3, 2019, 7:16 PM

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Oh I thought you meant in games lol

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Well in the games it’s not canon

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 7:16 PM

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I think it's more canon than anything else consistently.

modest marsh Jun 3, 2019, 7:16 PM

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Alright then what about this

inner basin Jun 3, 2019, 7:16 PM

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I would say it’s incredibly inconsistent however across all media as creative freedom of the writer would make it to fit in canon

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 7:17 PM

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In cutscenes, you've got plenty of times where shields don't even exist, like Palmer 1-shotting the Knight, or Red Team in HW2 not having shields.

modest marsh Jun 3, 2019, 7:17 PM

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The LightRifle kills an elite in one shot in H4

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But that’s impossible to do as the player

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 7:17 PM

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yeah, that was weird considering it was a Zealot

modest marsh Jun 3, 2019, 7:17 PM

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In game I’m talking about

vivid dust Jun 3, 2019, 7:17 PM

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The only precision weapon you can one shot an Elite with is the Binary in 4

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 7:17 PM

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you meant H5

vivid dust Jun 3, 2019, 7:17 PM

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and it has to be in the head

modest marsh Jun 3, 2019, 7:18 PM

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No

vivid dust Jun 3, 2019, 7:18 PM

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and it probably has to be a minor or a commander

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 7:18 PM

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The cutscene with Buck?

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at the end of Osiris?

gilded mason Jun 3, 2019, 7:18 PM

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@modest marsh
Oh yeah, was this the passage you were thinking of, or a different one?
Now Vul ‘Soran’s deep-blue skin was splotched gray, and even the gilded armor that denoted his master rank had lost its luster. Indeed, the armor was covered with so many dents and abrasions that the Half-Jaw frequently worried about its integrity and had even considered ordering Vul ‘Soran to commission a new set.

vivid dust Jun 3, 2019, 7:18 PM

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There's a moment in Halo 4 where you see a Promethean Knight kill an Elite in a Ghost with one burst

inner basin Jun 3, 2019, 7:18 PM

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Guys you need to understand that no media is consistent with energy shielding. That’s because Halo is a militaristic sci-fi and so the artist’s creative freedom takes over to make the experience more enjoyable for the audience. I think that should settle the argument. It’s just inconsistent

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 7:19 PM

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Oh, right, that.

modest marsh Jun 3, 2019, 7:19 PM

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@gilded mason that’s the one

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 7:19 PM

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@inner basin we're in agreement, but I prefer gameplay for myself personally

vivid dust Jun 3, 2019, 7:19 PM

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anyway not really related but I miss being able to snipe an Elite with only one bullet

modest marsh Jun 3, 2019, 7:19 PM

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And no Stonewall, I’m talking about halo 4

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Forerunner

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 7:19 PM

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I know.

modest marsh Jun 3, 2019, 7:20 PM

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A Knight kills two Elites riding Ghosts, he shoots one of them out of his seat

inner basin Jun 3, 2019, 7:20 PM

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You have the right to enjoy gameplay as more canonical StoneWall, but as long as you understand there is no form of media that is consistent with lore. But they do that to make it fun

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 7:21 PM

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That's what I've been saying this whole time.

modest marsh Jun 3, 2019, 7:21 PM

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You mentioned Buck

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Buck isn’t in Halo 4

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https://streamable.com/gmejp

vivid dust Jun 3, 2019, 7:21 PM

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I already explained what you were talking about

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 7:21 PM

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Buck one-shots an Elite Zealot with a Light Rifle in the end cutscene of Osiris.

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I assumed you mis-typed "H4" as opposed to H5

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because I more readily remembered that cutscene, than that one moment in Forerunner.

modest marsh Jun 3, 2019, 7:22 PM

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This happens outside of a cutscene

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I said that from the beginning

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 7:23 PM

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A little bit after you mentioned it, actually.

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You said it kills an Elite in one shot in H4, my mind translated it to H5 as I explained, and then after I mentioned the Zealot you said in-game

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anyway

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I would really like a prequel to the original trilogy, set in the 2540s, where you play as a Spartan-III in SPI armor, and have to fight Prelates.

modest marsh Jun 3, 2019, 7:26 PM

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The Prelates would eat them alive wouldn’t they?

gilded mason Jun 3, 2019, 7:26 PM

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I would imagine so

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 7:26 PM

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I'm not sure about that.

modest marsh Jun 3, 2019, 7:27 PM

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They’re substantially tougher and have a significant advantage in speed, firepower, and mobility

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 7:27 PM

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One Prelate against a Headhunter pair, or a fireteam, might not have such a great advantage.

modest marsh Jun 3, 2019, 7:27 PM

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Entire teams maybe

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But

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Idk how that would work gameplay wise

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Short of designing it like a mini boss

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 7:28 PM

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It's been a little while since I read Shadow of Intent. I don't recall if they were used to hunt Spartans or not.

versed helm Jun 3, 2019, 7:28 PM

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From reading Shadow of Intent, I did not get the impression that Prelates were particularly ferocious.

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 7:28 PM

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I should re-read that short story soon.

versed helm Jun 3, 2019, 7:28 PM

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I wouldn't bet on them against a Spartan in most instances.

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 7:28 PM

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Compared to Sangheili, they're tough... but Sangheili are kind of the measuring post for powerful soldiers.

modest marsh Jun 3, 2019, 7:29 PM

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They can fly

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Idk what a Spartan-III is supposed to do against them

versed helm Jun 3, 2019, 7:29 PM

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I would say that a MJOLNIR-armoured gamma would be the scariest CQC combatant in Halo so far, something @stoic hamlet would love to hear me admit.

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Next to a particularly experienced brute.

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I can't see a prelate beating either of those in a brawl.

modest marsh Jun 3, 2019, 7:30 PM

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His shield can bisect Elites

versed helm Jun 3, 2019, 7:30 PM

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Elites can bisect Elites.

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 7:30 PM

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I remember that.

versed helm Jun 3, 2019, 7:30 PM

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With energy swords.

modest marsh Jun 3, 2019, 7:30 PM

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He’s faster than most Elites by a significant margin

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 7:30 PM

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Just give the IIIs jetpacks or experimental thrusters?

versed helm Jun 3, 2019, 7:30 PM

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So are Spartans, frequently. Almost consistently.

stoic hamlet Jun 3, 2019, 7:30 PM

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hust gonna screenshot that

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😛

modest marsh Jun 3, 2019, 7:31 PM

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“Spartans” usually have MJOLNIR which makes them multiple times faster than without it

versed helm Jun 3, 2019, 7:31 PM

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That is true. But we're not talking about naked Spartans.

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 7:32 PM

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I read the prologue to Ghosts of Onyx today. I'd say SPI would offer some advantage to a III.

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Against a Prelate.

stoic hamlet Jun 3, 2019, 7:32 PM

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It does

modest marsh Jun 3, 2019, 7:32 PM

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SPI doesn’t increase twitch reaction speed or reduce their rate of time perception

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 7:32 PM

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But apparently they do experience Spartan time without Mjolnir.

modest marsh Jun 3, 2019, 7:32 PM

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Sure

stoic hamlet Jun 3, 2019, 7:32 PM

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Of course a Spartan would

modest marsh Jun 3, 2019, 7:33 PM

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But they’re still at a -80% disadvantage

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 7:33 PM

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Well, IIs for sure. IIIs are slightly different, but I guess marginally so.

modest marsh Jun 3, 2019, 7:33 PM

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That’s not insignificant

stoic hamlet Jun 3, 2019, 7:33 PM

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Against Prelates?

versed helm Jun 3, 2019, 7:33 PM

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A MJOLNIR armoured gamma was just hyperbole in my part. Just take any old S-IV and you've probably got a match.

modest marsh Jun 3, 2019, 7:33 PM

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Against Spartans with MJOLNIR

stoic hamlet Jun 3, 2019, 7:33 PM

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Oh

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Well yeah in hand to hand sure

versed helm Jun 3, 2019, 7:33 PM

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S-IVs have been depicted as slow and dumb. The Elites they fight have been slower and dumber.

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 7:33 PM

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Oooh, I dunno about that. S-IV against a Prelate might end with the Prelate walking away with a shiny trophy, I think.

stoic hamlet Jun 3, 2019, 7:33 PM

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But that implies the Spartan is going to actually engage in hand to hand

versed helm Jun 3, 2019, 7:34 PM

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If you maintain those proportions and depict them rationally, a Spartan IV is a beast.

stoic hamlet Jun 3, 2019, 7:34 PM

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If there’s anything Spartans, especially III’s know, it’s how to fight dirty.

versed helm Jun 3, 2019, 7:34 PM

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~~I'd suggest the Spartans who actually had to survive in battle as un-augmented humans may prove the scrappiest~~

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But scrappiness isn't everything.

stoic hamlet Jun 3, 2019, 7:35 PM

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I would agree with that

modest marsh Jun 3, 2019, 7:35 PM

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All Spartans learned how to fight unaugmented?

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 7:35 PM

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Halopedia says... Prelates were considered formidable foes, powerful enough to give even veteran Sangheili pause. The augmentations given to the Prelates were not without risks, however. Prelate abilities were expected to be used in short bursts; pushing their bodies too far could cause sudden exhaustion, seizures, and—in rare cases—death.

versed helm Jun 3, 2019, 7:35 PM

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Yeah, but none had to take on a raging brute that way.

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I dunno what you're trying to say, Magg.

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 7:36 PM

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I'd say a Gamma could outlast and destroy a Prelate, if it came to brutal hand-to-hand, even in SPI armor.

stoic hamlet Jun 3, 2019, 7:36 PM

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I’d agree with that

versed helm Jun 3, 2019, 7:36 PM

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~~Naturally~~

stoic hamlet Jun 3, 2019, 7:36 PM

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IMO, discounting Forerunners, a Gamma is the toughest CQC combatant in current lore

versed helm Jun 3, 2019, 7:36 PM

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I'd ask who you were and what you'd done with Eternal if you didn't.

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 7:36 PM

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On the other hand, a Prelate would probably try to outsmart the Gamma.

stoic hamlet Jun 3, 2019, 7:37 PM

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~~of course~~

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I doubt they could.

modest marsh Jun 3, 2019, 7:37 PM

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What I mean is all Spartans should exhibit the “scrappiness” you describe

stoic hamlet Jun 3, 2019, 7:37 PM

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Gammas aren’t mindless animals

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 7:37 PM

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Tem 'Bhetek gave Shipmaster a run for his money, all I'm sayin'.

versed helm Jun 3, 2019, 7:38 PM

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I mean, all Spartans should be extremely scrappy. But if you're picking the scrappiest of the scrappy, the Spartan who knows what it's like to be truly physically inferior, and how to overcome and kill something that could murder you with its pinkie is likely the scrappiest.

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But obviously it's an individual thing.

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Not all Spartan IVs are badass ex-Marines or Troopers who got into those sorts of situations.

stoic hamlet Jun 3, 2019, 7:39 PM

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Some are Madsen,

versed helm Jun 3, 2019, 7:39 PM

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"What is active camo"

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 7:39 PM

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.... Or, this hypothetical spin-off might see the player put into the shoes (boots? high-heels?) of a Prelate sent to hunt down and kill Spartan-IIIs.

stoic hamlet Jun 3, 2019, 7:39 PM

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~~I wouldn’t play it~~

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 7:40 PM

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it would take every nerve you have to pick it up and go through with it, considering that all the other games have drilled the opposite goal into the player.

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At least, if you care about Spartans, and aren't some ODST lover.

versed helm Jun 3, 2019, 7:41 PM

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You could make a Gamma spin off and call it Halo: Humanoid Blender Simulator

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 7:41 PM

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I jest, I jest.

stoic hamlet Jun 3, 2019, 7:41 PM

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~~Spartan III’s are just misunderstood children and must be PROTECC~~

gilded mason Jun 3, 2019, 7:41 PM

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Or, this hypothetical spin-off might see the player put into the shoes (boots? high-heels?) of a Prelate sent to hunt down and kill Spartan-IIIs.
Not playing a Spartan for twice? Sign me up.

stoic hamlet Jun 3, 2019, 7:41 PM

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Actually though I do think a Covenant game would be cool

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As long as it wasn’t sugarcoated

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 7:42 PM

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I wonder if the Prelates were actually being developed for after the Covenant War, like to hunt down the Banished.

versed helm Jun 3, 2019, 7:42 PM

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I think it'd be very good if for the entire game it was a struggle to conclusively decide that the Covenant was doing anything wrong.

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Because that's the reality of life for your average Covenant warrior.

gilded mason Jun 3, 2019, 7:42 PM

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I wonder if the Prelates were actually being developed for after the Covenant War, like to hunt down the Banished.
I doubt it

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 7:42 PM

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Their inception would have to have been before Alpha Halo's discovery, though, for that to be the case.

stoic hamlet Jun 3, 2019, 7:42 PM

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The Banished were small fry

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 7:43 PM

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I'm sure it was.

stoic hamlet Jun 3, 2019, 7:43 PM

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Utterly irrelevant

gilded mason Jun 3, 2019, 7:43 PM

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^

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 7:43 PM

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Isabel hypes them up.

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But oh well.

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What does she know?

gilded mason Jun 3, 2019, 7:43 PM

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'Cause she just saw her team killed and was upset

versed helm Jun 3, 2019, 7:43 PM

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~~343 hypes them up~~

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I mean I can imagine that they might represent a pain in the butt.

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One ship can do a lot of damage to an unprotected planet.

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A small army striking where you don't expect it could be a deathblow.

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 7:44 PM

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Quite true.

stoic hamlet Jun 3, 2019, 7:44 PM

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But they’re not this empire ending threat that they were hyped to be

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They’re like Robin Hood

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In terms of their power

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 7:44 PM

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they still enslave Unggoy, hypocrites

gilded mason Jun 3, 2019, 7:45 PM

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And a bunch of other heinous things to their own troops

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 7:45 PM

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I'll say one thing, Rise of Atriox has great art, but it doesn't do a whole lot for Atriox's character motivation post-betrayal.

gilded mason Jun 3, 2019, 7:45 PM

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Yeah

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 7:45 PM

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Like, he seems to have some bigger plan but it's never explored or stated directly.

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What does he want? Well, to be the next biggest contestant on Kill the UNSC

modest marsh Jun 3, 2019, 7:47 PM

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I don’t think he wants to kill the UNSC for the sake of it

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They’re in his way, he will

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 7:47 PM

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I agree, but practically speaking he's not different than any other big bad

modest marsh Jun 3, 2019, 7:48 PM

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Sure

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 7:48 PM

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Although the end of issue #4 shows that he really doesn't want anything to do with humans joining his organization. He went to a human outpost partly to kill them for sport.

stoic hamlet Jun 3, 2019, 7:49 PM

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Well yeah, he’s a brute

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That’s kinda what they do

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 7:50 PM

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He's supposed to be more than just a Brute.

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At least, that's how they hyped him up. shrug

versed helm Jun 3, 2019, 7:52 PM

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I guess it's just a cultural thing. Humans in Halo can be extremely varied, but they'll always seek to be morally validated and appear fair-handed and benevolent.

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Jiralhanae may be just as diverse, but their culture is founded on fundamental truths which cause bloodshed for its own sake to be natural to them.

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Fundamental truths is the wrong phrase.

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Foundations.

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 7:53 PM

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That's a fair point, but he seemed to be leaning toward a more human approach by the end of issue #3

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That joiners would follow him because they wanted to, because he was a leader worth following. Maybe I assumed too much about what he meant by that.

vivid dust Jun 3, 2019, 7:54 PM

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okay so I heard somewhere that during Spartan Ops, you can hear Cortana saying something about the Domain

modest marsh Jun 3, 2019, 7:55 PM

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Halo 4

vivid dust Jun 3, 2019, 7:55 PM

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yes

modest marsh Jun 3, 2019, 7:55 PM

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Sorry, I meant to say the campaign

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The terminals

vivid dust Jun 3, 2019, 7:55 PM

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I know about that

modest marsh Jun 3, 2019, 7:56 PM

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Cortana can’t say anything in Spartan Ops

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She’s dead

feral perch Jun 3, 2019, 7:57 PM

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'dead'

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if only

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if only

vivid dust Jun 3, 2019, 7:58 PM

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hence my confusion

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I'm checking out for myself now

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I actually heard the Librarian

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I had no idea she could be heard in game

versed helm Jun 3, 2019, 8:59 PM

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@vivid dust I have tried its true

vivid dust Jun 3, 2019, 9:00 PM

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care to show some proof?

versed helm Jun 3, 2019, 9:02 PM

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Ok I will just need to find the mission tomorrow (I got no sleep last night because my dog sleeps on my bed and barked all night and I'm super tired)

vivid dust Jun 3, 2019, 9:02 PM

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or just point me towards the mission if you know

inner basin Jun 3, 2019, 9:07 PM

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The only thing that I found on Spartan Ops was the RvB Easter Eggs

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And I have extensively played it

obsidian thistle Jun 3, 2019, 11:04 PM

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Here is a interesting question for y'all. Ignoring the design whats your fav armor set lore wise?

gilded mason Jun 3, 2019, 11:05 PM

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Only Spartan armor?

stoic hamlet Jun 3, 2019, 11:05 PM

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You already know mine

gilded mason Jun 3, 2019, 11:07 PM

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If it's just Mjolnir, I'd go with the predictable choice of Helioskrill, since a Sangheili prodigy made it.

stoic hamlet Jun 3, 2019, 11:08 PM

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But if I had to pick only MJOLNIR?

the base Marks. General purpose and not overtly specialized is IMO how it should have always stayed, instead of the incredibly hyper specialized suits that were required for player customization, with many being incredibly redundant and honestly not really logical.

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Well, I should rephrase, I don’t mind specialized suits, I just don’t like how some visually are radical departures from the mainline variants, and even non-MJOLNIR seems to now be going this route, annoyingly.

vivid dust Jun 3, 2019, 11:16 PM

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Hellcat is a pretty cool armor imo

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I disliked it at first because of the design but then I learned of the lore behind it

abstract zealot Jun 3, 2019, 11:28 PM

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My favorite armor is just base Mk VI and Gungnir.

obsidian thistle Jun 3, 2019, 11:43 PM

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I find the Timmy helmet to be interesting. Its the only helmet to exist yet not exist.

stoic hamlet Jun 3, 2019, 11:47 PM

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What’s its lore again?

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Something semi-comical to do with forge right?

obsidian thistle Jun 3, 2019, 11:51 PM

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Its lore is its a glitch or a funny addition by a War Games dev

stoic hamlet Jun 4, 2019, 12:06 AM

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Ah right.

dreamy marlin Jun 4, 2019, 12:15 AM

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Timmy helmet? Wasn't that in a map or something as an easter egg?

obsidian thistle Jun 4, 2019, 12:19 AM

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https://www.halopedia.org/TIMMY-class_Mjolnir

Halopedia

TIMMY-class Mjolnir

Timmy-class Mjolnir is a variant of the MJOLNIR [GEN2] armor that exists soley in War Games simulations.

remote spruce Jun 4, 2019, 12:26 AM

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Stalker (broot armor) or Recluse (SIII Gamma implied)

stuck gust Jun 4, 2019, 12:58 AM

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are there lgbtq elites?

gilded mason Jun 4, 2019, 12:58 AM

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Yes.

stuck gust Jun 4, 2019, 12:58 AM

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i didn't know

feral perch Jun 4, 2019, 1:15 AM

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are you talking about the Elite who was spying on the Arbiter when he disrobed?

stoic hamlet Jun 4, 2019, 2:17 AM

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https://old.reddit.com/r/HaloStory/comments/bwj5r1/kiki_wolfkill_confirms_theyre_throwing_the_lore/

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So like, shows worthless now, I guess.

feral perch Jun 4, 2019, 2:20 AM

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As long as it's its own separate thing, and has no bearing to the games and novels, then it's okay.

stoic hamlet Jun 4, 2019, 2:20 AM

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Yeah

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But I’m worried that’s not gonna be the case

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And it’s aggravating

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There’s no reason to change stuff

feral perch Jun 4, 2019, 2:20 AM

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But oh boy, if we get people coming in here who have only watched the show, and start asking questions about why things are different on Halopedia or whatever...

gilded mason Jun 4, 2019, 2:20 AM

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Though now you can't really count on anything in the show actually expanding the universe.

stoic hamlet Jun 4, 2019, 2:20 AM

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Yep

feral perch Jun 4, 2019, 2:21 AM

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I'll throw a copy of the Fall of Reach at 'em

stoic hamlet Jun 4, 2019, 2:21 AM

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I’ll join you

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sigh

feral perch Jun 4, 2019, 2:21 AM

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Worst case scenario, Infinite is a soft reboot that goes off the canon of this TV show.

stoic hamlet Jun 4, 2019, 2:21 AM

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I just.....I was so hopeful, lol

feral perch Jun 4, 2019, 2:21 AM

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Actually that's a terrifying thought.

stoic hamlet Jun 4, 2019, 2:21 AM

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Dude no, please god no

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I don’t want the thought that the canon of the past nearly 20 years is irrelevant

feral perch Jun 4, 2019, 2:22 AM

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I'm confident 343i won't mess up like that.

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Not after everything they've been through.

stoic hamlet Jun 4, 2019, 2:23 AM

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I already went through that with Star Wars and I don’t wanna do it for Halo.

Halo is much better curated Han Star Wars, For one.

And for two, there’s no reason to change things. None.

feral perch Jun 4, 2019, 2:23 AM

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both true

stoic hamlet Jun 4, 2019, 2:26 AM

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Obviously casting and stuff can’t be helped, you’ll never get a perfect Catherine Halsey or Jacob Keyes But the lore? You don’t need to change that, especially not for TV

feral perch Jun 4, 2019, 2:31 AM

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The Human-Covenant War is a rich ground for new stories that don't contradict the lore

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But hey, you could just forget everything and do whatever. We'll see how the fan response is.

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Never cater to an audience that isn't your own, once you have an established fanbase.

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aka get woke, go broke, but on a wider scale

stoic hamlet Jun 4, 2019, 2:33 AM

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Yeah idk what they’re thinking tbh

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Like, I can kinda get it

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But honestly.......I mean what are they expecting?

feral perch Jun 4, 2019, 2:35 AM

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we'll find out

stoic hamlet Jun 4, 2019, 2:42 AM

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We will indeed

mental nimbus Jun 4, 2019, 12:12 PM

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I honestly don't see any problem. It's not like the show being tied to some old books would give the storytelling some inherent quality

modest marsh Jun 4, 2019, 2:24 PM

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It’s already using the halo name and characters

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Much of which was defined by those “old books”

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And it’s not like they exist in a vacuum, our entire understanding of the universe in general is mostly defined by the books and built off of in the games

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ODSTs? Books

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Dr Halsey? Books

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Blue Team? Books

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These are all things that will be closely examined in the tv show no doubt

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And well

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Halo has always been about building off its various media ventures to attract the widest audience possible and retaining a cohesive setting is important to that

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If the goal is to get people to like Halo by having it show up on tv, it doesn’t make sense to start deviating from the games which are more faithful to the lore than we sometimes give credit for

humble yacht Jun 4, 2019, 2:47 PM

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I mean, you look at GoT and LotR and see how they deviated from the source material, yet still ended up being widely popular

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How many people were encouraged to go read Tolkien's works after seeing LotR?

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I bet it was alot

limpid meadow Jun 4, 2019, 2:49 PM

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Those are different. GoT and LotR were adapting existing stories.

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Current informations indicates the TV show will be a new story set during the Human-Covenant War.

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If they were adapting the books and/or games and making changes, that would be a different story.

humble yacht Jun 4, 2019, 2:53 PM

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Well eventually GoT broke into new territory instead of adapted existing story

limpid meadow Jun 4, 2019, 2:53 PM

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Still different.

humble yacht Jun 4, 2019, 2:53 PM

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I don't think it's all that different

limpid meadow Jun 4, 2019, 2:54 PM

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It's very different.

humble yacht Jun 4, 2019, 2:54 PM

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to each their own, then

limpid meadow Jun 4, 2019, 2:54 PM

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In the case of the Halo TV show, there's no direct source material

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GoT does get to be that way after season 5, but it's continuing a story that started as a direct adaptation. And in some ways, it's still an adaption as it's based on information from George RR Martin.

humble yacht Jun 4, 2019, 2:56 PM

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You consider Legends to be canon, correct?

limpid meadow Jun 4, 2019, 2:57 PM

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343 does, thus so do I

humble yacht Jun 4, 2019, 2:57 PM

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Do you consider the way things are represented in Legends to be completely canonical?

limpid meadow Jun 4, 2019, 2:57 PM

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No, because that's what 343 told us before Legends released

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And I wasn't the biggest fan of that either in some cases, but visuals are easier to deal with than the stories themselves

humble yacht Jun 4, 2019, 2:59 PM

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Well it's less that the TV show's story won't be canon and more that certain aspects may be represented differently than one expected. Which has happened before in Halo. It's not unprecedented, and it's not the end of the world

limpid meadow Jun 4, 2019, 3:00 PM

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If that's all we have to worry about, I'm fine with that (to a degree).

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But this doesn't give me much hope
that’s why I think we may end up considering it sort of a branch of the canon

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But it's still earlier. Things could change. I'm a pessimist by nature so I expect the worst and hope for the best

humble yacht Jun 4, 2019, 3:02 PM

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I plan to judge it on its own merits, first and foremost. I don't need it to connect perfectly with the canon for it to be enjoyable. I thoroughly enjoyed Reach's story despite the divergences

limpid meadow Jun 4, 2019, 3:04 PM

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I can enjoy Reach so long as I don't give it too much thought (story-wise). But in Reach's case there's the solid gameplay and level design to distract me.

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TV show, for me, won't have that, and I won't be able to help connecting it to the franchise at large.

fair hazel Jun 4, 2019, 3:04 PM

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also look at how GoT ended up in the end.

humble yacht Jun 4, 2019, 3:04 PM

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Maybe the show will have solid acting, special effects

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GoT is more than its final season

limpid meadow Jun 4, 2019, 3:05 PM

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Maybe it will. That won't distract me from the story being told

fair hazel Jun 4, 2019, 3:05 PM

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I rather have no show than one done not right.

uneven nova Jun 4, 2019, 3:05 PM

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amen

limpid meadow Jun 4, 2019, 3:05 PM

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^^^

humble yacht Jun 4, 2019, 3:06 PM

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"done right" is not universally definable

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Where did GoT start breaking new ground? Season 6? Seasons 6 and 7 were well recieved

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Of course, if the potential that the TV show doesn't fit perfectly with established canon really breaks the experience for you, you can always not watch it

uneven nova Jun 4, 2019, 3:08 PM

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didn't they say that it wouldn't or something

fair hazel Jun 4, 2019, 3:08 PM

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Halo deserves better.

humble yacht Jun 4, 2019, 3:08 PM

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i think its premature to say that the show isn't what halo deserves at this point

limpid meadow Jun 4, 2019, 3:08 PM

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I don't expect it to fit perfectly, but the way things have been worded makes me worry that it will potentially disregard canon entirely

uneven nova Jun 4, 2019, 3:09 PM

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I think we should at least wait for the plot to be known before you start disliking it

humble yacht Jun 4, 2019, 3:09 PM

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I think that's exaggerating what was said about the show

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Bonnie never said they were disregarding canon

uneven nova Jun 4, 2019, 3:10 PM

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honestly I think it's just too early to form any opinions on the show

humble yacht Jun 4, 2019, 3:11 PM

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It's not really the show people have opinions on right now

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it's what Bonnie and Frankie said about the show

uneven nova Jun 4, 2019, 3:11 PM

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what did they say?

humble yacht Jun 4, 2019, 3:13 PM

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They said that they may make some changes to things like dates, locations, character appearances, etc. for the sake of a smooth show development

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it was basically a catch-all statement saying that they'll do what's best for the TV medium

limpid meadow Jun 4, 2019, 3:13 PM

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They've said more than that

fair hazel Jun 4, 2019, 3:14 PM

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I hope it’s not too late for them to make the right choices

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Early concerns. Early feedback. Not late locked choices

limpid meadow Jun 4, 2019, 3:15 PM

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It has been amazing to watch the great television writing that has come out when we finally just let go of what we'd already said about certain characters or specific events of canon.

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when we finally just let go of what we'd already said about certain characters or specific events of canon

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That's what people are concerned about right now

vivid dust Jun 4, 2019, 3:16 PM

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I had missed that sentence

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jeez

humble yacht Jun 4, 2019, 3:17 PM

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sounds alot like what happened with Reach

limpid meadow Jun 4, 2019, 3:17 PM

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And Reach was (in my opinion) all the worse for it

vivid dust Jun 4, 2019, 3:17 PM

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^

humble yacht Jun 4, 2019, 3:17 PM

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I don't share that opinion

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but I also said "to each their own" earlier

limpid meadow Jun 4, 2019, 3:17 PM

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Bungie could have told almost the same story with far less issue.

vivid dust Jun 4, 2019, 3:18 PM

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I have absolutely nothing to say that can contribute to this discussion as I 100% agree with Toa so I'm gonna leave now

limpid meadow Jun 4, 2019, 3:18 PM

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Alter the dates so everything is happening over a much shorter timeframe and you can successfully tell that same story with far less canonical issues

stoic hamlet Jun 4, 2019, 3:43 PM

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Joining late but meh, if we want to be pedantic GOT changed super quickly, IIRC during season 2 it had a massive divergence from the plot, two, actually, with Robb getting an entirely fictional character to be his wife, which disregarded a plot from the books, and changing Stannis into a fanatic, which he never was and isn’t (as he’s still alive and not a moron) in the books.

Additionally, the show disregarded the Lady Stoneheart plot from the books, which would have started in Season 2 as well, granted I don’t mind this as much because we got more Beric, and Beric is a gift.

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Also it left out the Golden Company plot from the books which has been in since day one.

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TLDR There’s a lot that changed

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And a lot of it isn’t for the better. Some of it was.

But any issue that arises from the Halo TV show won’t be about adapting source material, there’s nothing to adapt as it’s an entirely new story, the issue would be made far more blatant then, if they do change things like dates, locations, etc

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Casting is kind of. Given Change and I don’t really care about that.

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But if the show changes dates for no reason (because, you know, there’s no need to) then I’ll have a problem, because it shows they can’t even fit a story into. 27 years worth of time without changing dates.

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If it’s a story that we’ve never seen before you don’t need to change dates for it to work.

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Let’s use.......idk, Gears of War as an example. If we’re telling a story about Marcus and Delta, but it’s never been seen before but also fits into the Locust War timeline you don’t need to change dates, or locations because you have no events going on that require a date change.

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So any writer who suggests “throwing out canon” seriously in this scenario isn’t a good writer, IMO.

inner basin Jun 4, 2019, 4:25 PM

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A good writer needs creative freedom, this is a compromise to make something enjoyable. But in this case it’s not creative freedom being given, it’s more like completely changing lore to make it fit with the show, which would greatly annoy me if that came to be the case. I hope it’s not for my sake and the production company’s sake. For this to succeed I feel like they have to be accurate and follow established lore instead of changing it.

humble yacht Jun 4, 2019, 4:26 PM

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While it may seem like there is no reason why such changes should be warranted, they could very well have a good reason to. That’s if they make such a change. And that’s a big if.

inner basin Jun 4, 2019, 4:28 PM

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I hope they don’t. Serious ret-cons of established lore can be franchise damaging and bring dislike upon the media that made the ret-con. An example is Halo 5 with Cortana coming back. Gladly Halo has rose back up from after that however.

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Not saying that the potential ret-cons in the show will be serious but that can still be the case

humble yacht Jun 4, 2019, 4:29 PM

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Not sure if Cortana counts as a retcon

obsidian thistle Jun 4, 2019, 4:31 PM

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Cortana is a weird thing

clever fable Jun 4, 2019, 4:33 PM

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She fits the strict defition of it, but not the typical connotation used in your average conversation.

inner basin Jun 4, 2019, 4:33 PM

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I guess now that new lore has came out it wouldn’t be one, but I feel they were killing her off at the time of 4 with the serious goodbye and the moment Cortana and Chief had. They ret-conned that in 5 and had to come up with something to explain it

humble yacht Jun 4, 2019, 4:34 PM

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Not every resurrection is a retcon

versed helm Jun 4, 2019, 4:34 PM

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If the pillar of [redacted] didn't escape we wouldn't have halo

carmine sleet Jun 4, 2019, 4:34 PM

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I don't see why you needed to hide the word Autumn

clever fable Jun 4, 2019, 4:34 PM

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Woah, bud. You can't just go using that word like that.

inner basin Jun 4, 2019, 4:35 PM

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Everyone knows the PoA. It’s not like it’s a secret. It even got itself a dedicated class post war because of the actions done by it’s Captain, Jacob Keyes

stoic hamlet Jun 4, 2019, 4:36 PM

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I agree that creative freedom is needed for a writer, but again, if you change dates or locations to fit your story which conflicts with established lore then you (IMO) aren’t creative enough to make it work in the first place.

Like, taking what we know so far, the show is:

set during the HCW

-features John-117 and an OC teen girl.

features an older Cathrine Halsey, meaning the show will take place sometime post 2535 or so.

Seeing as we literally have no idea what John was doing from 2535 to 2544, (literally, we have no actual idea what missions he was on or whatever) and we know the Outer Colonies are still a thing because the Inner Colony sieges haven’t begun yet, I don’t see why they’d need to change dates or locations.

If a good reason can be provided I’ll gladly accept it but I can’t think of one.

inner basin Jun 4, 2019, 4:38 PM

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Just because it has an older Halsey doesn’t mean it’s set post 2535. There is a thing called flashback sequences, or fast forwarding.

stoic hamlet Jun 4, 2019, 4:38 PM

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Yes, I’m aware of that.

inner basin Jun 4, 2019, 4:38 PM

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So you’re just base speculating

clever fable Jun 4, 2019, 4:38 PM

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thinkingchief

stoic hamlet Jun 4, 2019, 4:38 PM

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I never said I wasn’t.

inner basin Jun 4, 2019, 4:39 PM

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You’re saying that is what we know so far, but we don’t know that for certain

stoic hamlet Jun 4, 2019, 4:40 PM

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Everything I noted is true. Except the “it will take place post 2535” everything else is confirmed

inner basin Jun 4, 2019, 4:40 PM

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The only thing we really know is that it features the HCW, John-117, an OC teen girl and an old Halsey

stoic hamlet Jun 4, 2019, 4:40 PM

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Yes

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But I don’t think a flashback as a main storytelling device is a good idea, especially if the intention is to introduce newcomers to the franchise.

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It would probably confuse way more people than it would entertain

inner basin Jun 4, 2019, 4:41 PM

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Why not? GoW4 did it and it worked out really well for that franchise. Granted it was a game, not a TV series but Halo can get away with that

stoic hamlet Jun 4, 2019, 4:42 PM

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We had people not even aware of Blue Team being a thing before Halo 5, what makes you think people will realize or understand the flashback situation?

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Like if they can’t accept that, how would a flashback as a main story device work, exactly?

inner basin Jun 4, 2019, 4:43 PM

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If there is a clear transition then it won’t be confusing. If it is executed right then it works well

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I know that sounds generic but it’s true

clever fable Jun 4, 2019, 4:43 PM

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Not really a good comparison. It doesn't take a lot of dialogue/groundwork to set up a flashback transition.

stoic hamlet Jun 4, 2019, 4:43 PM

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Aye it might not have been the best comparison, true

clever fable Jun 4, 2019, 4:43 PM

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Granted there is a difference between doing that well, and doing it poorly.

stoic hamlet Jun 4, 2019, 4:44 PM

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But it’s what I thought of off the top of my head :p

versed helm Jun 4, 2019, 4:46 PM

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Who thinks Cortana in h5 is a rampant shard of cortana

stoic hamlet Jun 4, 2019, 4:47 PM

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She is

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It’s been confirmed

inner basin Jun 4, 2019, 4:47 PM

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I mean if there is potential ret-cons then are you truly surprised if there are flashback/fast-forwarding sequences? Basically my point is, it’s a possibility that there is flashback/fast forward sequences which is why there is an old Halsey but not confirmed

clever fable Jun 4, 2019, 4:47 PM

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https://www.halopedia.org/Dominion_Splinter @versed helm

stoic hamlet Jun 4, 2019, 4:47 PM

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For......over a year now I think.

versed helm Jun 4, 2019, 4:47 PM

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Oh I havent been on the internet in ages

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Like 2 years

clever fable Jun 4, 2019, 4:47 PM

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All good, mate.

stoic hamlet Jun 4, 2019, 4:48 PM

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Yeah no worries there man.

@inner basin No. Not surprising at all. I’m just saying if they’re gonna retcon stuff, we need to know where this sits canonically. Is it canon, isn’t it? Etc

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It would allay so many people’s fears

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All 343 has to do is say “it’s considered canon” or “its own canon” or whatever.

clever fable Jun 4, 2019, 4:49 PM

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I'm waiting until that detail is cleared up before I start forming opinions about it, yeah.

inner basin Jun 4, 2019, 4:49 PM

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Yeah. But maybe they’re holding off on the details of the show until after Infinite... maybe

stoic hamlet Jun 4, 2019, 4:49 PM

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Sure people would be mad, but at least we’d know

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We need to know before it releases

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Else a lot of people will be asking questions and or getting pissed at every little inconsistency.

inner basin Jun 4, 2019, 4:51 PM

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They want to sparse the hype. I think Infinite will take the main stage and after it releases I could see more details on the show then coming up as they may slightly have a link between them. That is only base speculation for why the details may have not been revealed

limpid meadow Jun 4, 2019, 4:51 PM

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I'm sure we will know for sure before release

inner basin Jun 4, 2019, 4:52 PM

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I also say slight link because both are to be enjoyable for newcomers

limpid meadow Jun 4, 2019, 4:52 PM

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The show is still in pre-production, so a lot of this stuff, these questions of canon and non-canon, are likely still fluid, subject to change

stoic hamlet Jun 4, 2019, 4:52 PM

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Of course

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But it would definitely help if, say, they decide to change dates, if we know “yes, this is canon, and it’s overwriting previous lore”

inner basin Jun 4, 2019, 4:53 PM

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I believe a draft of a script at least has been written

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I guess my previous assumption could be wrong, but for this information to be revealed, it really depends on how long pre-production lasts. If there was an issue with writing (God forbid) then this may not be answered until after Infinite, but that is only one scenario so chances of it happening are slim.

stoic hamlet Jun 4, 2019, 4:56 PM

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I wonder if we’ll get something at/around E3?

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Not part of a conference but just additional info in like a Q&A or something.

inner basin Jun 4, 2019, 4:59 PM

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They may do a Q&A because info has been rather sparse for the franchise overall and answer highly requested questions at some panel or on a stage of sorts or a combo of both

grave swift Jun 4, 2019, 5:01 PM

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As I've said before, and as others have pointed out, it seems odd that with so much untapped potential for new stories they'd make this one non-canon. I can get not wanting to burden general audiences, but you shouldn't need to alienate a chunk of your fans to do that.

stoic hamlet Jun 4, 2019, 5:07 PM

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^^^

inner basin Jun 4, 2019, 5:07 PM

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They have so much space to write stories for other groups of Spartans instead of the Chief. I get that he’s iconic but it appears that every story in Halo is about him. This can get stale eventually. I really like the lore we have on Spartan-IIIs and would like more about them as quite frankly we don’t have much, except a base, which is all they need to fill in the blanks. I don’t know how many people would like to see this TV show to be based on Spartan-IIIs but they can have a character fill the same role as the Chief without having it be about the Master Chief. We know x amount of Spartan-IIIs were equipped with Mjolnir so that’s how it can happen.
TLDR, stop basing stories around the Chief as it is getting boring and too saturated, making it stale

stoic hamlet Jun 4, 2019, 5:07 PM

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You have 27 years to work with here, even involving John that’s a lot of time

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There’s no need to throw out canon

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That’s my real issue

limpid meadow Jun 4, 2019, 5:08 PM

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Yep

inner basin Jun 4, 2019, 5:08 PM

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It kinda seems senseless too

limpid meadow Jun 4, 2019, 5:08 PM

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2535-2544. 9 years entirely unexplored

stoic hamlet Jun 4, 2019, 5:09 PM

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I don’t think I could accept a show about Spartan III’s, hilariously enough, because it’s such a controversial topic someone would try and put their beliefs into it or skew the audiences perception of the program away from how it’s actually used and done in the lore.

limpid meadow Jun 4, 2019, 5:09 PM

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Never mind that the 2 events we have in 2544 and 2545 can be easily written around, so you really have 2535-July 2552

inner basin Jun 4, 2019, 5:09 PM

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If they were to be asked “Why are you changing established canon?” What would there answer be? Cause they can?

stoic hamlet Jun 4, 2019, 5:10 PM

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What’s the event with John in 2545? Draco III right?

limpid meadow Jun 4, 2019, 5:10 PM

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Yep

grave swift Jun 4, 2019, 5:11 PM

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Planets are huge. They could easily tackle a different story there if they wanted. Maybe Chief shows up via cameo in that episode.

stoic hamlet Jun 4, 2019, 5:11 PM

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Woo, knew I’d get thar right. :p

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He’s a main character though, likely the main character

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Which means he’s likely in every episode

inner basin Jun 4, 2019, 5:11 PM

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It is just frustrating that they may need to change lore, especially for me having learning the lore just for it to be senselessly changed

grave swift Jun 4, 2019, 5:12 PM

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Shows sometimes have standalone episodes that tackle different characters or show the same event from a different perspective though.

limpid meadow Jun 4, 2019, 5:12 PM

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Sometimes

stoic hamlet Jun 4, 2019, 5:12 PM

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Yeah true, forgot about that

limpid meadow Jun 4, 2019, 5:12 PM

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Rarely with 10 episode series though

stoic hamlet Jun 4, 2019, 5:12 PM

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I could see like, a second season try that

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A la stranger things

limpid meadow Jun 4, 2019, 5:12 PM

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You can get those in longer shows (looking at you Star Trek), but you rarely see that with the sort of thing Showtime is doing

stoic hamlet Jun 4, 2019, 5:12 PM

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But the first season? Unlikely, I think

limpid meadow Jun 4, 2019, 5:12 PM

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A second season with a broader perspective would be great

grave swift Jun 4, 2019, 5:12 PM

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Hence why I think it should have been an anthology that tackles a different band of characters and then ties them together at the end.

stoic hamlet Jun 4, 2019, 5:13 PM

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Yep

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I agree with that

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An anthology would have been amazing

gilded mason Jun 4, 2019, 5:13 PM

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Hence why I think it should have been an anthology that tackles a different band of characters and then ties them together at the end.
That would have been nice.

grave swift Jun 4, 2019, 5:14 PM

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Episode 1: Start with a family experiencing the Covenant invade. Episode 2: Show Marines or whatever fighting the Covenant. Episode 3: Covenant perspective. Episode 4: Blue Team or whoever, then check back in with each group episode to episode until they all converge in the last two episodes or whatever.

inner basin Jun 4, 2019, 5:14 PM

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That can become messy and hard to follow, particularly for newcomers

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Maybe not for people well experienced in the universe

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It depends on execution

grave swift Jun 4, 2019, 5:16 PM

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Certainly. I do think its doable, especially if a few things bleed over in small ways. Family might escape to the countryside during their episode and eventually run into the Marines. They'll stick together after that. Again, execution is the big factor.

limpid meadow Jun 4, 2019, 5:16 PM

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I don't think it would be hard to follow.

inner basin Jun 4, 2019, 5:17 PM

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But that’s coming from an experienced perspective Toa

limpid meadow Jun 4, 2019, 5:17 PM

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Shows have done this with plenty of success

grave swift Jun 4, 2019, 5:17 PM

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I mean, how many interconnected plot points do people follow with shows like Gothan, Supergirl, The Flash, The Walking Dead, etc?

inner basin Jun 4, 2019, 5:17 PM

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But what it boils down to is execution

limpid meadow Jun 4, 2019, 5:17 PM

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I'm speaking purely on the subject of TV, not Halo's lore

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@grave swift Exactly

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Even GoT did that often enough

grave swift Jun 4, 2019, 5:18 PM

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But I still understand wanting to ensure the general audience can follow along, but the TV medium offers so much potential.

stoic hamlet Jun 4, 2019, 5:19 PM

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My idea would be set it on one planet, maybe.....Actium, which was attacked in 2544 I think,

The main characters would be an insurrectionist who’s still unsure of themselves but is doing it for their younger sibling.

An ONI agent who lost her parents on Harvest during the opening skirmishes and joined ONI for revenge. Maybe have a Spartan III with them as like a side character.

An Elite Shipmaster who finds the colony and attacks.

Have the first few episodes be the calm@before the storm then have everything go haywire when the Covenant invade.

End it with the planet being glassed and everything the UNSC and ONI did be for nothing, have everyone watch the glassing and have it be hopeless, and have the final shots hint at the Insurrectionist’s younger sibling being recruited for Spartan III Gamma Company.

Boom, best Halo show right there.

gilded mason Jun 4, 2019, 5:25 PM

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Sounds neato.

versed helm Jun 4, 2019, 5:26 PM

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Hmm

inner basin Jun 4, 2019, 5:26 PM

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Not exactly the best for me cause I mean dayum why does it have to be so hopeless?

gilded mason Jun 4, 2019, 5:26 PM

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That's what the war was most of the time.

inner basin Jun 4, 2019, 5:26 PM

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Not at all

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There was plenty of morale for many engagements, mostly if there were Spartans there

versed helm Jun 4, 2019, 5:27 PM

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You need a unsc marine who isn't generic

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Like Johnson and forge

limpid meadow Jun 4, 2019, 5:27 PM

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The Spartans win on the ground, but the UNSC loses in space.

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Prior to 2552, most victories were fairly bittersweet

inner basin Jun 4, 2019, 5:28 PM

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But that’s for both sides

versed helm Jun 4, 2019, 5:28 PM

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All the unsc needs is 100,000,000 CAS carriers

stoic hamlet Jun 4, 2019, 5:28 PM

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Not for the Covenant

inner basin Jun 4, 2019, 5:28 PM

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While the Covenant won at Reach it was phyrric

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It was heavy losses for both sides

stoic hamlet Jun 4, 2019, 5:28 PM

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They could afford the meat grinders

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The UNSC couldn’t

versed helm Jun 4, 2019, 5:29 PM

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Why didn't the unsc put huge meat grinders in space lol

inner basin Jun 4, 2019, 5:29 PM

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Well not really. They lost a lot of their best at Reach

gilded mason Jun 4, 2019, 5:29 PM

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What makes you say that?

stoic hamlet Jun 4, 2019, 5:29 PM

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Compared to the UNSC? Hardly

versed helm Jun 4, 2019, 5:30 PM

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Simple make a planet sized meat grinder and go and find the nearest covenant fleet

stoic hamlet Jun 4, 2019, 5:30 PM

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Canon or not though I really hope the show nails the hopelessness of the war

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Especially if it’s late War

gilded mason Jun 4, 2019, 5:31 PM

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Ye

versed helm Jun 4, 2019, 5:31 PM

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Amen

limpid meadow Jun 4, 2019, 5:31 PM

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Same

versed helm Jun 4, 2019, 5:33 PM

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It also needs to show a Paris class frigate

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Cause who doesn't love them

inner basin Jun 4, 2019, 5:34 PM

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I really don’t want another hopelessness setting. They did it with Reach and it doesn’t feel the same when you are not in that first person perspective. I want at least a hybrid of valiancy and hopelessness if we have to have hopelessness in the show

stoic hamlet Jun 4, 2019, 5:35 PM

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Well of course

versed helm Jun 4, 2019, 5:35 PM

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It needs to start as a decisive victory and end with defeat

stoic hamlet Jun 4, 2019, 5:35 PM

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But overall the tone should be one of dread and hopelessness

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As soon as the Covenant arrive that’s it, it’s over

inner basin Jun 4, 2019, 5:35 PM

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If it’s early war then there wouldn’t be hopelessness though as they still had some of the Outer Colonies