#lore-and-universe | Halo | Page 188

versed helm May 21, 2019, 8:52 PM

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need you even ask?

obsidian thistle May 21, 2019, 8:54 PM

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Well I found some juicy lore 😄

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https://twitter.com/cia391/status/1130937250324373504

Chris Aiken (@cia391)

The ODST in the story "Armor testing" in the Halo Graphic Novel are part of the 340th ODST Combat Training Unit. Also known as the "Adversaries".

The facility in armor testing is called the "UNSC Operational Test and Evaluation Center (UNSCOTEC).

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Like this is like obscure as obscure can get.

versed helm May 21, 2019, 8:59 PM

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holy crap. what even

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how in the sam hell did you source this

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or more, how LONG did it take

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to track that down

obsidian thistle May 21, 2019, 9:07 PM

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Luck.

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Like I was searching ebay for Joyride stuff.

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And that popped up.

versed helm May 21, 2019, 9:10 PM

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what's the model/serialization called?

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i see it's of the JoyRide variety

obsidian thistle May 21, 2019, 9:12 PM

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Is the SDCC 2006 Joyride ODST figure.

stoic hamlet May 21, 2019, 9:13 PM

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Nice find

obsidian thistle May 21, 2019, 9:13 PM

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I may buy it... :S

quartz willow May 21, 2019, 9:15 PM

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That is so lucky

versed helm May 21, 2019, 9:16 PM

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well, appears someone's selling the other one

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im assuming it's blood

obsidian thistle May 21, 2019, 9:17 PM

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Paint

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Tis paint

versed helm May 21, 2019, 9:17 PM

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ah, that was my first guess, but that's a piece of media i havent actually read

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so i wasnt sure

obsidian thistle May 21, 2019, 9:18 PM

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I'd read "Armor Testing" in the Halo Graphic Novel.

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Thats a great story that explains where the Mark VI set everyone knows comes from.

abstract zealot May 21, 2019, 9:24 PM

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Cobra Commander joined the Orbital Drop Shock Troopers.

ashen wharf May 21, 2019, 10:11 PM

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Lol

meager torrent May 21, 2019, 10:11 PM

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Well that's disappointing

abstract zealot May 21, 2019, 10:11 PM

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What is?

meager torrent May 21, 2019, 10:12 PM

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The fact that my joke got deleted

abstract zealot May 21, 2019, 10:12 PM

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Oh.

meager torrent May 21, 2019, 10:12 PM

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Well it wasn't very funny so that's why

abstract zealot May 21, 2019, 10:12 PM

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That’s probably not the reason why.

meager torrent May 21, 2019, 10:12 PM

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Oh sorry I thought this was general, I depart now

obsidian thistle May 21, 2019, 10:14 PM

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This is the lore chat. We discuss lore. More lore. And how lore... lores.

abstract zealot May 21, 2019, 10:15 PM

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Sorry no can do. Not enough lore. Add about a thousand more lores to that and I’m sold.

ashen wharf May 21, 2019, 10:17 PM

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Another obscure lore thing is vindication class battleship and posiedon class light carrier.

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Only showed up in halo 4 and spartan ops.

versed helm May 21, 2019, 10:21 PM

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The vindication-class also pops up in Collateral Damage actually

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Just chillin' there

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Really early in the HCW

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So that's a thing

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A few of them actually

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On a holo-display

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I think

abstract zealot May 21, 2019, 10:29 PM

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Well the Poseidon class light carrier has been an interesting thing. On halopedia awhile back it had a differing ship model, but now it’s something completely different. If I was able to send a screenshot of it I would.

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Why’d it send twice

carmine sleet May 21, 2019, 10:34 PM

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Likely due to your machine not getting the packet of info that tells you that the message had arrived before it timed out and had to send another packet

abstract zealot May 21, 2019, 10:34 PM

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Meant to be a rhetorical question. But thanks.

abstract zealot May 21, 2019, 11:06 PM

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Anyways, the thing I was referring to was when for like a small bit, a picture of the Vindication-class battleship was accidentally shown on the Poseidon-class light carrier. I’m unsure though if it was Halopedia or some other website trying to label it.

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But I will say something about the Vindication-class cruiser is that I highly prefer seeing it with in-atmospheric thrusters on.

abstract zealot May 22, 2019, 1:56 AM

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Find what?

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Oh okay.

obsidian thistle May 22, 2019, 1:07 PM

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Luck

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Thats what it was tbh xD

abstract zealot May 22, 2019, 1:07 PM

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For what?

obsidian thistle May 22, 2019, 1:08 PM

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Finding that ODST figure and its ace and juicy lore

abstract zealot May 22, 2019, 1:08 PM

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Oh okay.

keen brook May 22, 2019, 7:05 PM

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I'll buy it off you for 100$ bucks

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@obsidian thistle

obsidian thistle May 22, 2019, 7:07 PM

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If only I
A: Had it.
B: It cost 100$.

Neither of which is true.

keen brook May 22, 2019, 10:59 PM

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;(

humble yacht May 23, 2019, 12:54 AM

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@versed helm no random links, please. also, this channel is for lore discussion.

inland vessel May 23, 2019, 1:02 AM

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Just gonna warn you mate they are paying $3 a month here into a mod bot fyi

autumn urchin May 23, 2019, 1:03 AM

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F beardeddaisy

inland vessel May 23, 2019, 1:03 AM

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Eh.......

obsidian thistle May 23, 2019, 1:05 AM

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Lets not.

inland vessel May 23, 2019, 1:06 AM

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He's sealed his fate mate no need to worry

obsidian thistle May 23, 2019, 1:14 AM

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In other news.

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I found minor ODST lore lately.

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Like unlike yesterday.

abstract zealot May 23, 2019, 1:15 AM

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I still can’t unsee a cobra commander type them from that ODSTs helmet.

obsidian thistle May 23, 2019, 1:15 AM

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This is really minor

abstract zealot May 23, 2019, 1:15 AM

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What is it?

obsidian thistle May 23, 2019, 1:16 AM

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https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/WJAAAOSwRW1cxcbr/s-l1600.jpg

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There is a ODST team called "NSWG2-ODST team 5".

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Which I assume is short for "Naval Special Warfare Group 2-Orbital Drop Shock Troopers team 5". Which is a curiosity tbh.

abstract zealot May 23, 2019, 1:17 AM

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Yeah that was what I was think.

obsidian thistle May 23, 2019, 1:17 AM

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We have not seen this "team 5" before xD

abstract zealot May 23, 2019, 1:17 AM

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Plot twist. We have and we just don’t know of it.

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Joking of course.

obsidian thistle May 23, 2019, 1:18 AM

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As said it be really minor.

abstract zealot May 23, 2019, 1:18 AM

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Still interesting.

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I love learning anything new about Halo lore. Big or small.

obsidian thistle May 23, 2019, 1:22 AM

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You should dig into toy lore. 😉 Tis fun and is atm a rather unrecorded part of lore that I can deffo use help with heh.

abstract zealot May 23, 2019, 1:22 AM

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So was there anything I missed throughout the day regarding lore? Haven’t been feeling good and I passed out earlier.

obsidian thistle May 23, 2019, 1:22 AM

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Nothing major bar that and Halopedia doing a book club soon. 😉

abstract zealot May 23, 2019, 1:23 AM

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And I actually have. Just haven’t had the time to. Most the time when I’m digging deep into lore for small things is if I’m doing stories that involve something. Like right now I’m working on an AI and so I’m gathering every small detail I can about AIs and they work.

obsidian thistle May 23, 2019, 1:24 AM

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I am forever searching for new lore though.

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Kinda one of my specialties is finding old stuff no one recorded.

abstract zealot May 23, 2019, 1:24 AM

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And yeah I heard about that. Sounds fun.

inland vessel May 23, 2019, 1:24 AM

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Oh reminds me brb

abstract zealot May 23, 2019, 1:25 AM

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Yeah, I’m kind of the same thing. I’m always itching for new lore. I’m also some what itching to make new ones go. That’s actually part of the reason I like making my stories fit with lore lol

inland vessel May 23, 2019, 1:28 AM

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Well there was that one new vehicle

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(I'm a vehicle/weapon guy)

abstract zealot May 23, 2019, 1:28 AM

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Which vehicle for what faction exactly?

inland vessel May 23, 2019, 1:29 AM

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UNSC Honeybee (to do with Discovery)

abstract zealot May 23, 2019, 1:29 AM

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Oh yeah that.

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I’m still unsure about the look of it though.

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It just looks like an extended, flattened out wasp with a dome on it.

inland vessel May 23, 2019, 1:30 AM

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It's a Drone

obsidian thistle May 23, 2019, 1:31 AM

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For those who want to see it 😃 https://www.halopedia.org/Honeybee

Halopedia

Honeybee

The Honeybee is a UNSC state of the art surveillance drone that is used at Outpost Discovery.

abstract zealot May 23, 2019, 1:31 AM

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I know.

inland vessel May 23, 2019, 1:31 AM

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You did get an article on it

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Great job

obsidian thistle May 23, 2019, 1:31 AM

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Well yea. Tis my job in the community 😛

abstract zealot May 23, 2019, 1:31 AM

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I mean. He does practically run Halopedia. So they usually get those things done fast.

obsidian thistle May 23, 2019, 1:32 AM

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*Help admin

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The team I work with is amazing.

abstract zealot May 23, 2019, 1:32 AM

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Yeah. I’ve met a few I believe.

obsidian thistle May 23, 2019, 1:33 AM

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Some be here, but most like to stay to their home turf.

inland vessel May 23, 2019, 1:33 AM

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One thing that did amuse me personally is the effort put into minor things

abstract zealot May 23, 2019, 1:33 AM

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Halopedia is honestly a great source for all Halo lore so I have mass respects to everyone on that team.

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Well it’s the littlethings that can make the biggest differences.

obsidian thistle May 23, 2019, 1:33 AM

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The editors are ace also. Plus the community. We are nothing without them.

inland vessel May 23, 2019, 1:34 AM

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Like censoring HW2 Flood concept art cause it was pretty 'graphic'

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Anyone who's seen it will know what I mean

abstract zealot May 23, 2019, 1:34 AM

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Yeah.

obsidian thistle May 23, 2019, 1:35 AM

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I dont think we censored a image. xD

inland vessel May 23, 2019, 1:35 AM

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Blurred I'll get the Article

abstract zealot May 23, 2019, 1:35 AM

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Nowadays I think I’m on Halopedia more than I’m actually playing the games.

inland vessel May 23, 2019, 1:37 AM

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Not sure if this will go through with my perms

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https://www.halopedia.org/Flood_root

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Nah

abstract zealot May 23, 2019, 1:37 AM

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Honestly I think Halopedia has been a center focus for me for the past few years now. And yeah that, I saw that awhile back.

inland vessel May 23, 2019, 1:38 AM

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I really like the Archived glitches

obsidian thistle May 23, 2019, 1:39 AM

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Oh that.

stoic hamlet May 23, 2019, 1:39 AM

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What’s this about censorship?

obsidian thistle May 23, 2019, 1:39 AM

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I need to bring this up internally with the HP team.

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(Aka dont pay it mind it still does the job)

abstract zealot May 23, 2019, 1:47 AM

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Sorry if this seems like I’m trying to advertise myself but it’s not my intentions.

But what’s your guys’ opinions regarding fan made stuff that follows in line with the exciting lore and adjusts accordingly based on any new news. I ask this because I do exactly that and never get actual feedback or response on people opinions on it. The I’ve gotten or pretty much all for it, or all against it.

stoic hamlet May 23, 2019, 1:49 AM

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@vague scroll this seems right up your alley

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Considering you’re like, one of the main proponents of Fandom

obsidian thistle May 23, 2019, 1:51 AM

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Oh fanon goes on the Halo Fanon wiki. 😃 Great friends with Halopedia as they are our first line of defence against fanon.

vague scroll May 23, 2019, 1:51 AM

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@abstract zealot I’m the site moderator for Halo Fanon, if that is what you’re asking about. There are plenty of folk like that, on Halo Fanon, Fanfiction.NET, SpaceBattles, etc,

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Plenty of communities to look into for that sort of thing, it’s not new or exclusive - plenty of Fanfiction writers out there that like to abide by canon

abstract zealot May 23, 2019, 1:53 AM

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I know it’s not new. I’m just never able to find anyone like ever really interested. Only the few here and there. That’s what I was asking.

vague scroll May 23, 2019, 2:07 AM

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You'll probably find more like minded folk on Halo Fanon than, our wiki has a policy for canon-abidance. @abstract zealot

abstract zealot May 23, 2019, 2:07 AM

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I’m aware. I’ve posted in there many times

vague scroll May 23, 2019, 2:08 AM

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really, what's your handle?

abstract zealot May 23, 2019, 2:08 AM

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In the server or the website?

vague scroll May 23, 2019, 2:08 AM

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website

abstract zealot May 23, 2019, 2:09 AM

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I’m unable to post stuff through my phone.

vague scroll May 23, 2019, 2:09 AM

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I know you're on the discord but I don't think I've seen you post much

abstract zealot May 23, 2019, 2:09 AM

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I post it in the servers.

vague scroll May 23, 2019, 2:09 AM

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ah okay

abstract zealot May 23, 2019, 2:09 AM

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And I’ve posted like 4 or 5 times.

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I stopped after a bit when it was just ignored.

vague scroll May 23, 2019, 2:10 AM

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well, its kind of hard to get feedback if you're not a regular presence, I've told guest-rank users before that the best way to get involved or to be remembered is to actually have a site account because that's where everything happens, kind of impossible to do anything if its not on the wiki

abstract zealot May 23, 2019, 2:13 AM

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True.

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I’ll try posting one of my works on the Halo fanon website.

obsidian thistle May 23, 2019, 2:43 AM

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Hmmm interesting I learnt something

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If we apply "Naval Special Warfare Group 2-Orbital Drop Shock Troopers team 5" to a real world point of view.

Its the Special Warfare name for the Helljumpers division.

versed helm May 23, 2019, 2:47 AM

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i should sleep. i read that as "special warframe name" and thought i was in a different chat for a second

obsidian thistle May 23, 2019, 2:48 AM

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Aka I got schooled by google

versed helm May 23, 2019, 2:48 AM

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but what real world point of view do you apply it to?

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it already states that it's the Special Warfare division

obsidian thistle May 23, 2019, 2:49 AM

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How the real world deals with Naval Special Warfare Groups

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If I am right however

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Its just another name for this
https://www.halopedia.org/105th_Shock_Troops_Division

Halopedia

105th Shock Troops Division

The 105th Shock Troops Division, also known by the sobriquet "Helljumpers", is a formation of Orbital Drop Shock Troopers of the UNSC Marine Corps. It is highly regarded by many to be one of the best divisions in the UNSC Armed Forces. The division's insignia is a "Gold Comet".

versed helm May 23, 2019, 2:52 AM

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huh, i thought you knew that already

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it's basically the equivalent to Navy SEALs being normal ODST, and SEAL Team 6 (DEVGRU) being 105th.

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or Army Airborne and Delta Force

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normal ODST would be considered Tier 2 Special Forces, whereas the 105th would be considered a Tier 1, alongside Spartans

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but yeah, when people think of Navy SEALs, in their mind, they're thinking of DEVGRU, as normal SEAL Operatives arent as nearly as classified

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now, if these classifications actually carry over, i dont know.

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halo's military is expansive, but it's also unique in a lot of ways

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so T2/T1 SOF divisions might or might not exist.

stoic peak May 23, 2019, 3:02 AM

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What is the population of Humanity after Halo 5 ? Do we really have the population for another War ?.

versed helm May 23, 2019, 3:02 AM

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did we know the population before the war? i cant remember

stoic peak May 23, 2019, 3:06 AM

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38 billion i think

fair hazel May 23, 2019, 3:24 AM

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The numbers are, estimates for some reasons

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39 is what you were going for but then

fair hazel May 23, 2019, 3:40 AM

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there's context to that numbers

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also the number of deaths

versed helm May 23, 2019, 4:10 AM

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so bad blood is after H5?

gilded mason May 23, 2019, 4:10 AM

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Yes.

versed helm May 23, 2019, 4:10 AM

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is it the most recent book as in timeline?

gilded mason May 23, 2019, 4:10 AM

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I...think so?

versed helm May 23, 2019, 4:11 AM

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i just got done with new blood, i wish they had Audio Books with Nathan Fillion as the reader lol, that would be amazing

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i mean New blood and bad blood

vague scroll May 23, 2019, 4:14 AM

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There’s also Legacy of Onyx @versed helm

versed helm May 23, 2019, 4:14 AM

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Ah i always forget to read Legacy

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i know it’s about Tom and Lucy

vague scroll May 23, 2019, 4:14 AM

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Same author

gilded mason May 23, 2019, 4:14 AM

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You ain't missing much.

vague scroll May 23, 2019, 4:15 AM

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^ it’s one of the more child oriented books

versed helm May 23, 2019, 4:15 AM

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my favorite has to be Eric Nyuland

vague scroll May 23, 2019, 4:15 AM

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You and everyone else

gilded mason May 23, 2019, 4:16 AM

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Best authors are Staten and Shirley for me.

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Don't care for Nylund all that much.

versed helm May 23, 2019, 4:17 AM

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i guess i like the Nostalgia if Nyland making the first books

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other than the occasional error/typo, i did find his books to be the most enjoyable

vague scroll May 23, 2019, 4:18 AM

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Generally Nylund Nostalgia gets us all

versed helm May 23, 2019, 4:19 AM

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not even that per se. just his style of writing

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He goes pretty descriptive, especially in GOO and FS

abstract zealot May 23, 2019, 5:40 AM

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I’m sadly don’t have much books. I really wish I was able to get all of them to read as well as collect. I only have Bad Bloods, Silent Storm, First Strike and The Flood.

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I use to have the Fall of Reach but I think my brother took it like years ago.

high marsh May 23, 2019, 1:00 PM

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Anyone know if the UNSC Midsummer Night was actually able to cloak? because it's only mentioned that it has a "Stealth Ability", which in some way could mean anything... 😅 btw how's everyone today?

versed helm May 23, 2019, 1:02 PM

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Not bad.

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You are right about it potentially meaning anything - after all, there are a lot of ways you can be stealthy in space.

dreamy tulip May 23, 2019, 1:04 PM

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Can the infinity go stealth too?

versed helm May 23, 2019, 1:04 PM

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Actual invisibility probably ain't in the question for a Stalwart-class, but y'know. Emissions masking would be a thing.

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Not that actual invisibility means a terrible amount in space.

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Sorry, are you asking if the largest most conspicuous vessel in the UNSC fleet is capable of being "stealthy", Surge?

dreamy tulip May 23, 2019, 1:05 PM

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Yes

versed helm May 23, 2019, 1:05 PM

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Because I very much doubt it. Unless it's got some Forerunner trickery.

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But I feel like it would've been specified if it did.

high marsh May 23, 2019, 1:06 PM

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Nah it can't, the biggest UNSC ship that has ever had the ability to cloak was the UNSC Point of No Return...

dreamy tulip May 23, 2019, 1:06 PM

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It had covenant tech in it right? I would assume

versed helm May 23, 2019, 1:06 PM

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It was predominately human and Forerunner tech, though I imagine there'd be a few Covenant odds and ends.

high marsh May 23, 2019, 1:07 PM

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UNSC Infinity has a Forerunner Engine from what i know and i think that's it

versed helm May 23, 2019, 1:08 PM

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Most Covenant tech that humans don't have is derived from Forerunner particle manipulation tech, as well as just their crazy manufacturing methods.

high marsh May 23, 2019, 1:08 PM

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True

versed helm May 23, 2019, 2:30 PM

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How many Strident class cruisers does the infinity hold?

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isn't it 10?

stoic hamlet May 23, 2019, 2:30 PM

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Ye, 10

versed helm May 23, 2019, 2:31 PM

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Basically, if you face the Infinity, you face a fleet lol

stoic hamlet May 23, 2019, 2:31 PM

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More a floatilla (space-tilla?) but yeah.

versed helm May 23, 2019, 2:31 PM

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hmmmm

high marsh May 23, 2019, 2:51 PM

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Anyone know if Winter-Class Prowlers were ever used during the Human-Covenant war?

versed helm May 23, 2019, 3:03 PM

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IIRC they were used, ONI Sent some Spartan-III to assassinate a sangheili general using the UNSC From the Ashes. The spartan was unnamed, but his tag was Spartan-G059

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They were rare, only i think 6 being in production

carmine sleet May 23, 2019, 3:05 PM

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G-059 killed Avu Med 'Telcam and they were a she, not a he

versed helm May 23, 2019, 3:06 PM

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Ah, i was a little blurry on all the details

keen brook May 23, 2019, 3:10 PM

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They liked to reverse engineer forerunner tech

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And now they're gonna keep doing that

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Until we just get

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Forerunner ships

versed helm May 23, 2019, 3:11 PM

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Are the UNSC ever going to move form Projectile based weapons?

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Doesn't seem like it

full forge May 23, 2019, 3:12 PM

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Style.

versed helm May 23, 2019, 3:12 PM

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Even MACs are projectile based

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MACS are amazing weapons though, don’t get me wrong

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Probably the UNSCs best attack/defense weapon

full forge May 23, 2019, 3:13 PM

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They just can't glass a planet.

versed helm May 23, 2019, 3:14 PM

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They don’t really need to

full forge May 23, 2019, 3:15 PM

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So if in Mortal Dictata ONI got their hands on the schematics for a CCS class battle cruiser, does that mean they can build ventral beams, plasma torpedoes and pulse lasers...? I'm confused.

versed helm May 23, 2019, 3:16 PM

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I don’t believe we have the technology to build a glassing beam, or the UNSC isn’t interested in making one

full forge May 23, 2019, 3:17 PM

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The UNSC isn't. ONI is.

versed helm May 23, 2019, 3:17 PM

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ONI just loves death and destruction

full forge May 23, 2019, 3:18 PM

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It's all surprisingly pragmatic, you should read the kilo-5 trilogy.

versed helm May 23, 2019, 3:18 PM

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I have.

carmine sleet May 23, 2019, 3:19 PM

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A glassing beam is impractical, and would be a waste of time since it's much more valuable to capture a planet than glass it to the UNSC

full forge May 23, 2019, 3:19 PM

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Not really.

versed helm May 23, 2019, 3:19 PM

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^^

feral plover May 23, 2019, 3:19 PM

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ONI has no general borderline between life and death.

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They go to extremities.

full forge May 23, 2019, 3:19 PM

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Glassing Sanghelios would make a lot of people very happy.

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It's insurance.

feral plover May 23, 2019, 3:20 PM

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ONI literally used human subjects to test the flood.

full forge May 23, 2019, 3:20 PM

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Although I suppose they could use a NOVA bomb.

versed helm May 23, 2019, 3:20 PM

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It’s impractical for the UNSC, and ONI

carmine sleet May 23, 2019, 3:20 PM

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The Flood is very different to glassing a planet

feral plover May 23, 2019, 3:20 PM

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I was just describing how ruthless they are.

versed helm May 23, 2019, 3:20 PM

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Using a NOVA bomb is also impractical...

full forge May 23, 2019, 3:21 PM

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Dude, they already did it.

carmine sleet May 23, 2019, 3:21 PM

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Doing something doesn't make it practical

versed helm May 23, 2019, 3:21 PM

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^

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It’s a last resort method

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not a line of attack or defense

full forge May 23, 2019, 3:22 PM

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That makes it useful to have.

carmine sleet May 23, 2019, 3:22 PM

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The resources lost due to deploying the two NOVA bombs we know to have been used is not worth it outside of a last resort

feral plover May 23, 2019, 3:22 PM

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Or a final push to take what you want.

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Like the covenant for New Mombasa.

carmine sleet May 23, 2019, 3:22 PM

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You can't take what's been destroyed

feral plover May 23, 2019, 3:22 PM

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That's exactly what the covenant want.

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Destruction.

carmine sleet May 23, 2019, 3:23 PM

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The Covenant wanted what was underneath New Mombasa, blowing up Earth, our homeworld, sure, would've denied them of their prize but the cost would've been way too much

feral plover May 23, 2019, 3:23 PM

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They dont claim, they destroy. Like Reach. They attacked, defeated, and destroyed.

carmine sleet May 23, 2019, 3:24 PM

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They only launch ground attacks on planets which they know have Forerunner artefacts and facilities

feral plover May 23, 2019, 3:25 PM

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Yeah and that explains the dig sight from the slipspace explosion. The crater gave them the foothold to make an attempt to find what they wanted

full forge May 23, 2019, 3:25 PM

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The point is destruction, you're right. Glass Sanghelios and the split jaws never have a chance at threatening humanity again.

glossy forge May 23, 2019, 3:25 PM

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Hello there

full forge May 23, 2019, 3:25 PM

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It's not like they're going to share the planet.

feral plover May 23, 2019, 3:25 PM

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Exactly.

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What do yall think the plot of an ODST sequel would be?

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Maybe the ODST Flood Deployments?

full forge May 23, 2019, 3:28 PM

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Kill space aliens: Part 2

feral plover May 23, 2019, 3:28 PM

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Well, yeah.

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But like a specific setting that makes sense lore wise.

full forge May 23, 2019, 3:29 PM

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Honestly I don't know. It seems like all the best of the best marines get snatched up by Jun for the SIVs.

feral plover May 23, 2019, 3:30 PM

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True that. There aren't many heroic stories of ODSTs lingering in the universe.

full forge May 23, 2019, 3:30 PM

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I'm just waiting for Spartan Locklear ;)

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That one Corporal in The Fall of Reach who asks John where he can become a Spartan.

feral plover May 23, 2019, 3:31 PM

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grim I remember that

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Wouldn't that be pretty interesting?

full forge May 23, 2019, 3:33 PM

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For sure.

feral plover May 23, 2019, 3:35 PM

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Maybe a game demonstrating the training process of becoming s Spartan. A "boot camp" per say.

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Receiving augmentation, going through simulations, yadda yadda.

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Maybe picking your role as a spartan. EOD, Sniper, ODST, Recon, etc.

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A roleplay esque game.

carmine sleet May 23, 2019, 3:36 PM

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A game like that would be redundant since the novel New Blood feature characters going through that process

feral plover May 23, 2019, 3:37 PM

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Well players would be able to experience that in a more hands on way. Not everyone is a reader.

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Some gamers aren't even aware of the Halo book series

obsidian thistle May 23, 2019, 3:48 PM

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Wikis exist though ;)

versed helm May 23, 2019, 4:05 PM

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Sangheili isn’t even Humanity’s biggest threat right now, right now it’s the prometheans

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and also, if we destroyed Sangehilios, The swords of sangheilios would probably start a war

abstract zealot May 23, 2019, 4:23 PM

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They can start a war. But it probably wouldn’t end too well for them.

stoic hamlet May 23, 2019, 4:23 PM

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Yep.

I’ll be the first one to say that humanity is far to chummy with the former Covenant species, but outright destroying Sangheilios is not the way to go about things.

gilded mason May 23, 2019, 4:23 PM

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And it's not like Sangheili only live on Sanghelios. It's just one planet out of a vast multitude. A multitude that I imagine would be pretty rightfully upset, as Olive said.

stoic hamlet May 23, 2019, 4:23 PM

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I don’t believe their colonies are that advanced, though

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They’re much more like feudal kingdoms

gilded mason May 23, 2019, 4:24 PM

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What makes you say that?

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Them not being advanced, I mean.

stoic hamlet May 23, 2019, 4:24 PM

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Sorry, meant to say “built up” not advanced

gilded mason May 23, 2019, 4:24 PM

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Even a backwater colony like Hesduros had billions of people.

stoic hamlet May 23, 2019, 4:25 PM

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Yes, but they still seem to follow very feudal styles of society, meaning they can’t rapidly arm themselves or shift to a total war footing

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I’m not saying attacking them isn’t suicide, but I think you’d have some time to maybe hit colonies one by one and leap frog it.

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They don’t seem to be unified colony to colony either

abstract zealot May 23, 2019, 4:27 PM

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The Sangheili are currently divided as a species. So even if Sanghilios was destroyed, other colonies may see that as an opportunity.

warm wigeon May 23, 2019, 4:54 PM

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could the Didact be behind the Created

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?

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The Elites are likely the species we would have as long term aligned interests

carmine sleet May 23, 2019, 4:58 PM

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I don't think they'll do the "It was the Didact all along" thing with the Created, it would feel forced and not make sense with the Didact secretly controlling Cortana at this point

vivid dust May 23, 2019, 5:02 PM

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yeah they should've done this in Halo 5 instead of doing... what they did

warm wigeon May 23, 2019, 5:03 PM

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not exactly controlling more manipulating her indirectly or even if he is not he takes advantage of the situation to try to reform the fore runner empire

carmine sleet May 23, 2019, 5:03 PM

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That would still fall under controlling her

warm wigeon May 23, 2019, 5:07 PM

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it would but Cortana operates as self-rationalizing puppet in Halo 5 anyway

carmine sleet May 23, 2019, 5:07 PM

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You can't be your own puppeteer

warm wigeon May 23, 2019, 5:08 PM

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i did not say that

carmine sleet May 23, 2019, 5:11 PM

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You literally said "Cortana operates as self-rationalizing puppet in Halo 5". The connotation that gives is that she was being her own puppeteer, which makes no sense

feral perch May 23, 2019, 5:17 PM

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self-rationalizing doesn't mean she's controlling herself

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it means she's justifying her own actions to herself.

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Or, if she were a puppet, justifying the actions that she's being forced to take, so she can live with them I guess.

warm wigeon May 23, 2019, 5:18 PM

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well she is ratioalizing her own actions to her self but that doesn't say she isn't being manipulated by someone else

feral perch May 23, 2019, 5:18 PM

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There's no evidence to believe she is.

warm wigeon May 23, 2019, 5:19 PM

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@feral perch that we are aware of any way

feral perch May 23, 2019, 5:19 PM

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yep

warm wigeon May 23, 2019, 5:20 PM

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but you explained what i meant better than i did

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so thanks

feral perch May 23, 2019, 5:28 PM

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no problem

keen brook May 23, 2019, 5:40 PM

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I like midnight in the heart of midlothian

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Cause an ODST single handedly saved the coordinates for earth

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but

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It always raised a question

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Like how did the Covenant not find earth in the first place

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I mean they're wayyyy more advanced in technology and it's been said it's really likely that they could just stick up an antenna and find earth

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But in that odst story they seem really happy to find the coordinates for earth like they couldn't before

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So

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Its never made sense

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Well not they could but it's extremely probable they could

carmine sleet May 23, 2019, 5:44 PM

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Cole Protocol, basically the UNSC would destroy any and all data that could lead the Covenant back to any of their colonies or Earth and made random slipspace jumps to throw any pursuers off their sent before returning back to UNSC controlled space

autumn urchin May 23, 2019, 5:49 PM

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the last Halo Legendary Crate features a noble six, does it mean that armor is now canon for noble six?

carmine sleet May 23, 2019, 5:50 PM

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Six being in that armour config was something shown years ago if I recall correctly

versed helm May 23, 2019, 5:50 PM

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that armor was always canon for Noble 6

autumn urchin May 23, 2019, 5:50 PM

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not that exact shoulder or helmet variant

keen brook May 23, 2019, 6:34 PM

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Yeah exactly

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If they're so advanced they should be able to find earth

gilded mason May 23, 2019, 6:51 PM

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Also, I think there was something about some high-up organization or person within the Covenant secretly trying to prevent everyone else from discovering Earth's location.

feral perch May 23, 2019, 7:04 PM

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where's that?

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That's really interesting.

stoic hamlet May 23, 2019, 7:04 PM

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I’d also like a source

gilded mason May 23, 2019, 7:04 PM

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Think it was in Cole's story in Evolutions or something

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I'll go check for a relevant passage

stoic hamlet May 23, 2019, 7:05 PM

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No hurry

gilded mason May 23, 2019, 7:18 PM

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Ah, here's what I was thinking of:
First, I do not understand why the aliens DON‘T know where Earth is. They have technology hundreds of years more advanced than ours. All one has to do to find Earth is stick a radio antenna into space and triangulate on the source. I suspect something is occurring within the Covenant hierarchy that has prevented Earth from being targeted, or perhaps appreciated . . . something our captured alien had no knowledge of.
So not quite what I had previously remembered. Though the "something" is quite ambiguous.

feral perch May 23, 2019, 8:11 PM

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I remember in Cole Protocol, one of the Prophets mentioned that it was taking a much longer time than expected to find all of the humans, because they hadn't expected so many colonies.

versed helm May 23, 2019, 8:12 PM

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that indeed did happen

feral perch May 23, 2019, 8:12 PM

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I would chalk it up to the usual odd incompetence that so characterized the original Covenant.

obsidian thistle May 23, 2019, 9:08 PM

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The Covies were essentially fighting numerous fronts.

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Humans obviously

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Numerous heretic and Banished stuff.

versed helm May 23, 2019, 9:08 PM

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Flood

obsidian thistle May 23, 2019, 9:08 PM

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Mystery aliens

dreamy tulip May 23, 2019, 9:09 PM

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A.I.

obsidian thistle May 23, 2019, 9:09 PM

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Finding relics. I mean they focused on that

dreamy tulip May 23, 2019, 9:09 PM

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Forrerunner

obsidian thistle May 23, 2019, 9:09 PM

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Thats 5 ;)

dreamy tulip May 23, 2019, 9:09 PM

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117

gilded mason May 23, 2019, 9:10 PM

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That's a part of "Humans"

dreamy tulip May 23, 2019, 9:10 PM

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Hes his own danger

gilded mason May 23, 2019, 9:10 PM

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🤔

versed helm May 23, 2019, 9:10 PM

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that'd lump all spartans in though as well

dreamy tulip May 23, 2019, 9:10 PM

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Hes basically a God for killing a bunch of them

gilded mason May 23, 2019, 9:10 PM

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that'd lump all spartans in though as well
Yeah

stoic hamlet May 23, 2019, 10:53 PM

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Also themselves

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But yeah they were having a tough time of things, especially after losing K7-49 and Pegasi Delta

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Among others

keen brook May 24, 2019, 1:21 AM

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Yeah that's where I read it

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So

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It wouldn't even make sense for a covvie to do it

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I mean

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Maybe if they just wanted to keep the war going or actually sympathized with humans after realizing the fault of the covenant

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But I have no idea

warm wigeon May 24, 2019, 5:16 AM

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maybe it was Mercy

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he knew the truth after all

abstract zealot May 24, 2019, 5:20 AM

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Could’ve had Regrets about it.

gilded mason May 24, 2019, 5:20 AM

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eyy

high marsh May 24, 2019, 1:13 PM

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How everybody today peps?

quartz willow May 24, 2019, 1:24 PM

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Pretty good

stoic hamlet May 24, 2019, 1:25 PM

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I’m alright I suppose

versed helm May 24, 2019, 2:30 PM

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Whats gonna be the Lore discussion today

quartz willow May 24, 2019, 2:32 PM

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Idk I cant think of anything really

dreamy tulip May 24, 2019, 2:39 PM

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343 Guilty Spark?

quartz willow May 24, 2019, 2:40 PM

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What about him other than hes a absolute madmachine

versed helm May 24, 2019, 2:40 PM

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what about it?

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Angry Boi

quartz willow May 24, 2019, 2:40 PM

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Yea hes one heck of a angry boi

dreamy tulip May 24, 2019, 2:41 PM

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He took a ship from the Unsc After they found his remains ?

carmine sleet May 24, 2019, 2:42 PM

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That ship crashed and Spark eventually was found by the daughter of Sgt. Forge from Halo Wars

dreamy tulip May 24, 2019, 2:43 PM

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What happened to Anders Fiance or boyfriend after she was gone?

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Did he work with the Unsc?

versed helm May 24, 2019, 2:44 PM

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What Fiance?

carmine sleet May 24, 2019, 2:45 PM

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Yeah, I don't see anything saying she had a boyfriend or anything like that

dreamy tulip May 24, 2019, 2:45 PM

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In the Little comic is you get the Halo wars limited edition you get an insight what happen right before she was kidnapped

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T I thought she was with someone

versed helm May 24, 2019, 2:47 PM

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I have no idea, it's not really important

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I found the comic, she wasn't with anyone, she was teaching a lesson on Theoretical Xenobiology at Rishard University, and after she lectured, on her way to her car, ONI agents took her to Halsey

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Where do they Huragok live? Halopedia said they Dissapeared

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do they just go wherever? i guess they don't really have a home

carmine sleet May 24, 2019, 3:08 PM

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Some are with the UNSC, some are with the various Covenant splinter groups

versed helm May 24, 2019, 3:09 PM

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They're completely Docile yea?

safe siren May 24, 2019, 3:21 PM

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Yes, they can still beat the heck out of you tho.

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One was able to throw Jul without any effort, and another one killed a man with a tiny rock

quartz willow May 24, 2019, 3:37 PM

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Engineers are pretty cool but yea they dont have a homeworld because of course they are a forerunner built thing I dont know what youd call em

carmine sleet May 24, 2019, 3:38 PM

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They're an organic supercomputer created by a race of aliens who had much better tech than anyone else... And they're the purest creatures in the galaxy and must be protected at all costs

quartz willow May 24, 2019, 3:39 PM

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Yes

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Engineers are like puppies they are cute and shouldn't be exposed to the horrors of the galaxy

cerulean sand May 24, 2019, 4:04 PM

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What is the purpose of the Guardians?

stoic shale May 24, 2019, 4:04 PM

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to enforce everlasting peace

safe siren May 24, 2019, 4:04 PM

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Space riot cops

stoic shale May 24, 2019, 4:05 PM

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^^

cerulean sand May 24, 2019, 4:07 PM

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What was the forerunners use of guardians?

safe siren May 24, 2019, 4:09 PM

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Space riot cops for the lower races

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You misbehave? You receive an EMP, if you are lucky.

cerulean sand May 24, 2019, 4:10 PM

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Then is Cortana using them incorrectly?

safe siren May 24, 2019, 4:11 PM

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Nope, she's using them as intended, for enforce the created in other worlds

cerulean sand May 24, 2019, 4:14 PM

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Sorry for these questions but do you think Cortana would recreate the races like the forerunners did when they last activated halo?

stoic shale May 24, 2019, 4:14 PM

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Maybe, I dunno.

safe siren May 24, 2019, 4:16 PM

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Cortana doesn''t want to kill everyone, she wants to unify everyone under her command

stoic hamlet May 24, 2019, 4:37 PM

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Yep, she wants to establish peace across the stars. She’s just going about it the wrong way and with no regard for those who die because of her.

last anchor May 24, 2019, 5:00 PM

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Because megalomania via rampancy

stoic hamlet May 24, 2019, 5:13 PM

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Mhm

fair hazel May 24, 2019, 7:08 PM

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Like BB said, she agrees with what she wants to do but not her methods

stoic hamlet May 24, 2019, 7:30 PM

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*he agrees

fair hazel May 24, 2019, 7:35 PM

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Not sure why I said she. Probably because I was thinking of Cortana

stoic hamlet May 24, 2019, 7:55 PM

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Could have been an auto correct typo?

surreal fossil May 24, 2019, 8:08 PM

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does anyone think the didact was right about eradicating the human race

keen brook May 24, 2019, 8:08 PM

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I don't blame him for it

gilded mason May 24, 2019, 8:08 PM

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I would hope not.

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Genocide's kinda not nice.

keen brook May 24, 2019, 8:09 PM

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He was fighting the flood and he needed something to fight them. He was corrupted

versed helm May 24, 2019, 8:09 PM

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Did Chief ever found out whatever became of Noble Team,especially Jorge since they trained together

keen brook May 24, 2019, 8:09 PM

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Probably not

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He'd have no reason to

versed helm May 24, 2019, 8:10 PM

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What other races fought the Forerunners besides ancient humanity and the ancient san'shyuum?

keen brook May 24, 2019, 8:10 PM

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I think mostly that was it

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I mean they were the main ones.

stoic hamlet May 24, 2019, 8:10 PM

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There were probably others, but none that really mattered or were as important

keen brook May 24, 2019, 8:11 PM

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I mean at the time they were the only ones that could hold a candle to the forerunners

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Nobody else would've mattered

stoic hamlet May 24, 2019, 8:11 PM

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Yep

keen brook May 24, 2019, 8:11 PM

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I kinda wish

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Humanity foresaw the results that would come of them not telling forerunners about the flood

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I mean humanity fought them both

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The flood and the forerunners

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At the same time

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Holding their own

versed helm May 24, 2019, 8:13 PM

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Correct me if i'm wrong but weren't the Forerunners known for wiping out races that anger them?

safe siren May 24, 2019, 8:15 PM

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The Guardians were used as police force, so they didn't wipe out everything, i guess

versed helm May 24, 2019, 8:15 PM

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Still...how will the Forerunners return?

safe siren May 24, 2019, 8:16 PM

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Not every forerunner is dead, and we don't actually know if they will return.

They could come and say "'sup, we are here now."

versed helm May 24, 2019, 8:18 PM

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I do wonder....how long can a Forerunners live for without their armor?

safe siren May 24, 2019, 8:18 PM

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Without i think they are pretty regular, i think 100 years or something like that

versed helm May 24, 2019, 8:19 PM

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So if they have their armor on..they're basically immortal?

safe siren May 24, 2019, 8:20 PM

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Basically, it's like a constant life support.

Waypoint says: Avg. Lifespan: + thousands

modest marsh May 24, 2019, 8:31 PM

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The thing about natural lifespan is that it’s mostly limited by how our genetic code degrades over time

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The Forerunners had a unique mastery of genetics

stoic hamlet May 24, 2019, 8:44 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/373245545809969153/581567388143714344/unknown.png

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How I wish SPI armour/Spartans are differentiated instead of what it actually is becoming.

versed helm May 24, 2019, 8:45 PM

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Hey does anyone remember that 11ft tall imperial admiral

stoic hamlet May 24, 2019, 8:45 PM

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His name, you mean? @versed helm

versed helm May 24, 2019, 8:45 PM

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No does anyone actually remember him

safe siren May 24, 2019, 8:46 PM

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That's not the SPI armor btw

stoic hamlet May 24, 2019, 8:46 PM

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Oh, you mean like literally

versed helm May 24, 2019, 8:46 PM

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I have gone so long without other halo nerds I nearly died

stoic hamlet May 24, 2019, 8:46 PM

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I know @safe siren it’s a mock up a friend did for me.

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It’s his “rendition” of SPI.

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Because there’s no 3D model

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He had to improvise

safe siren May 24, 2019, 8:47 PM

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Oh, ok. He could have used the image from GoO tho

stoic hamlet May 24, 2019, 8:47 PM

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I was using it as an example to show how it’s the same base armour but the Spartans have individual attachments and stuff added onto it instead of entirely different armour

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It’s a genuine 3D model he’s made, it’s not drawn. He used SFM

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Cobbled together pieces of stuff to make the gear.

safe siren May 24, 2019, 8:48 PM

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okok, understood

stoic hamlet May 24, 2019, 8:49 PM

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I don’t know the exact process of how he did it, though.

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But as to your question @versed helm yeah, probably

safe siren May 24, 2019, 8:49 PM

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With models you have to use what you have.

I think you can just download the parts from the workshop and 'glue' them to a base

stoic hamlet May 24, 2019, 8:50 PM

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He likely would have taken command of the sangheili had he not died.

Yeah that’s what my friend’s done I think

safe siren May 24, 2019, 8:50 PM

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btw, i don't think that the SPI are that customizable, they are infiltration suit after all

stoic hamlet May 24, 2019, 8:51 PM

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A major discussion on reddit would disagree.

versed helm May 24, 2019, 8:51 PM

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Ye but they are somewhat customisable

stoic hamlet May 24, 2019, 8:51 PM

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Because this:

https://www.halopedia.org/images/9/94/Marksniper.png

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Is apparently SPI

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which is why I asked my friend to make that mock up, it’s how SPI Should be customized/differentiated, at least IMO, instead of......that

safe siren May 24, 2019, 8:53 PM

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That was an image from the Peril of Gao, that's the battle fought by the Ferrets and the Blue Team on Gao. They didn't have the SPI armor, i think.

stoic hamlet May 24, 2019, 8:54 PM

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They did. They all did.

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All 5 III’s did.

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While Kelly, Fred And Linda had their personalized MJOLNIR

safe siren May 24, 2019, 8:55 PM

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Oh ok, i didn't remember that.

versed helm May 24, 2019, 8:56 PM

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@safe siren
https://halo.fandom.com/wiki/Battle_of_Gao

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I think that's the right link

stoic hamlet May 24, 2019, 8:56 PM

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Not quite

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Halopedia is always the best place to go for halo wiki stuff

versed helm May 24, 2019, 8:58 PM

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Fandom was the first link

stoic hamlet May 24, 2019, 9:09 PM

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Fair enough, but Halopedia is usually the best sourced

fair hazel May 24, 2019, 9:14 PM

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Not ferrets yet @safe siren

stoic hamlet May 24, 2019, 9:15 PM

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Also ye, they were technically still part of Blue Team

fair hazel May 24, 2019, 9:17 PM

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https://www.halopedia.org/Operation:_JOVIAN_WHISTLE

Halopedia

Operation: JOVIAN WHISTLE

Operation: JOVIAN WHISTLE was an operation conducted by the UNSC on the human colony of Gao in order to retrieve Forerunner technology on the planet.

stoic hamlet May 24, 2019, 9:18 PM

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^^^^

deft prawn May 24, 2019, 11:04 PM

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So in Halo: Battle Born was Owen wearing his Halo: Merdian Divide gear or was he wearing his the mark 6 on the cover???

carmine sleet May 24, 2019, 11:11 PM

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He was wearing a suit of Mark V. Mark VI wasn't issued to Spartans until late 2552

obsidian thistle May 24, 2019, 11:13 PM

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Actually

abstract zealot May 24, 2019, 11:13 PM

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Every time I read that operation name I always think it’s gonna say Jehovah witness.

obsidian thistle May 24, 2019, 11:13 PM

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We dont actually know exactly what he wore in Battle Born if I recall. It was left vague.

carmine sleet May 24, 2019, 11:14 PM

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Ah, I see

obsidian thistle May 24, 2019, 11:14 PM

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Plus the Coverart is kinda weird.

versed helm May 25, 2019, 12:41 AM

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I wonder if we'll ever see Sali Nyon again

stoic hamlet May 25, 2019, 12:51 AM

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Pretty sure Owen was wearing Mark IV

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It’s important to remember Mark V is literally just Mark IV with a shield generator.

gilded mason May 25, 2019, 1:01 AM

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And also nicer to look at.

stoic hamlet May 25, 2019, 1:01 AM

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Heh

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That to

limpid condor May 25, 2019, 1:12 AM

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Can we reverse the death of Fal Chavamee and make him survive the killing

drowsy mesa May 25, 2019, 5:00 AM

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Battle Born takes place in 2548, three years before the introduction of Mark V

obsidian thistle May 25, 2019, 7:19 AM

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^ that

fair hazel May 25, 2019, 7:24 AM

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The Paris class frigate is probably the most liked frigate isn’t it? Fan wise

versed helm May 25, 2019, 7:27 AM

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Pribably

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It's the only frigate I remember

fair hazel May 25, 2019, 7:31 AM

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Charon, stalwart, Paris, strident, anlace

vivid dust May 25, 2019, 9:09 AM

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Do we know what caused the Flood outbreak on the Forerunner gas mine in Halo 2?

carmine sleet May 25, 2019, 9:47 AM

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So I just looked by through this and realised that I accidentally said Owen wore Mark V instead of Mark IV. Thanks tired brain from last night

vivid dust May 25, 2019, 10:01 AM

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how dare you be tired

deft prawn May 25, 2019, 10:18 AM

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Anyways thanks for the answer.

versed helm May 25, 2019, 1:10 PM

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hi 😄

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@vivid dust i really have no idea what might of caused it... dont like vertical split screen in halo 2... it annoys me

turbid brook May 25, 2019, 2:07 PM

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The Threshold gas mine was turned into a Flood research facility during the Forerunner-Flood war. When the Heretic leader in Halo 2 took refuge there, and the Arbiter attacked, the Flood contained there was released by the Heretic leader and complications arose.
https://www.halopedia.org/Threshold_gas_mine

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@vivid dust

vivid dust May 25, 2019, 3:02 PM

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riiight

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thank you

green acorn May 25, 2019, 7:43 PM

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Is it safe to consider that Halo 5’s INTRUDER armor is just a re-skin of Halo: Reach’s Air Assault armor? Because i was looking at them and they are almost exactly alike.

versed helm May 25, 2019, 7:44 PM

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@green acorn some armors are significant armors from things like Reach and given a different name since it's based off of a character

carmine sleet May 25, 2019, 7:44 PM

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Intruder is meant to look like Air Assault because it's a Gen 2 version of the armour

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Specifically based upon the configuration used by Kat on Reach

green acorn May 25, 2019, 7:44 PM

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Ah okay

carmine sleet May 25, 2019, 7:45 PM

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Like how Wrath is identical to Emile's armour

green acorn May 25, 2019, 7:45 PM

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Okay i understand now

obsidian thistle May 25, 2019, 7:46 PM

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Note its not 1 to 1 with Air Assault.

green acorn May 25, 2019, 7:46 PM

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Also i had a question about the armor from the cover of Halo: The Cole Protocol, what armor variant is it? I haven’t found anything on it.

versed helm May 25, 2019, 7:46 PM

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even the signature armors arent 1:1 just like CIA said, yeah

obsidian thistle May 25, 2019, 7:46 PM

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Its a unknown Mark IV variant.

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... dont get me started with un-named Mark IV variants.

green acorn May 25, 2019, 7:47 PM

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Okay

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I hope to see it in Infinite, because that armor looks amazing

versed helm May 25, 2019, 7:47 PM

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i feel you there CIA

carmine sleet May 25, 2019, 7:47 PM

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Do you have an unofficial name for it, CIA?

versed helm May 25, 2019, 7:47 PM

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"Unknown Variant"

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that's the placeholder i typically go with

obsidian thistle May 25, 2019, 7:48 PM

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(2535)

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Add that to it

carmine sleet May 25, 2019, 7:48 PM

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Ah, I see, the year Cole Protocol takes place in, right?

obsidian thistle May 25, 2019, 7:48 PM

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Yep. Tis the only way the wiki can organise some sets tbh

carmine sleet May 25, 2019, 7:49 PM

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That's fair. Hopefully we get a name for it soon

obsidian thistle May 25, 2019, 7:49 PM

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https://www.halopedia.org/MJOLNIR_Powered_Assault_Armor/Mark_IV#Suits

Halopedia

Mark IV

The Mark IV MJOLNIR Powered Assault Armor was the first version of the MJOLNIR Powered Assault Armor series. The suit was issued to Spartan-II commandos on November 27, 2525, and was in service until it was replaced by the Mark V on November 24, 2551. A hybrid variant could s...

versed helm May 25, 2019, 7:50 PM

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im kinda saddened there's not a list of MCC Nameplates and Halo 5 Weapon Skins on Halopedia

obsidian thistle May 25, 2019, 7:50 PM

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I also hate that I have to use the "X-like variant" for many.

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Its on the list :P

carmine sleet May 25, 2019, 7:51 PM

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Aye, must be a pain to see another unnamed variant and have to add that to the list

versed helm May 25, 2019, 7:51 PM

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collection's a priority for me, so not having a real list hurts me. but there's def more important things to make

obsidian thistle May 25, 2019, 7:51 PM

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Unless you wanna screenshot all the skins

carmine sleet May 25, 2019, 7:52 PM

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I could get screenshots of most of the skins easily since I have allot of free time right now

versed helm May 25, 2019, 7:52 PM

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even a text list would suffice for me personally, there's not a single concise list anywhere online

carmine sleet May 25, 2019, 7:53 PM

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I don't have all the skins obviously but still

obsidian thistle May 25, 2019, 7:55 PM

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The REQ list is in-progress. Note however the Flag skins would be on it seeing as they saw a limited release run via to screenshotters.

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Aka Technicalities suck like that

green acorn May 25, 2019, 7:57 PM

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Lets just call it [2535 GREY] for now since we dont have an official name for it?

stoic hamlet May 25, 2019, 8:55 PM

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I find the lore reasons for making Noble Teams armour actual variants really odd, tbh

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It really wasn’t needed.

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Additionally a lot of the particulars of the variants don’t make sense either, IMO.

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Emile’s “engraved” visor being a thing on every wrath helmet, the sapper bandolier, the AAG shoulder piece, etc

obsidian thistle May 25, 2019, 9:02 PM

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Do note that we have no proof (bar 1 for obvious reasons) that they were based off Noble teams suits.

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I'll nab the source

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"After the development and rollout of the first GEN2 Mjolnir weapon systems, battle-proven Mk. IV and Mk. V variants were eventually earmarked for reassessment at the request of veteran Spartan II and Spartan III operatives."

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Source: https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/news/canon-fodder-noble-intentions

Halo Waypoint

Canon Fodder - Noble Intentions

This week in Canon Fodder, we take a look at the lore behind the Memories of Reach content release, and more...

stoic hamlet May 25, 2019, 9:04 PM

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Well, pretty sure Jun’s is

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Because he ordered one made

obsidian thistle May 25, 2019, 9:04 PM

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Thats the "1" exception xD

stoic hamlet May 25, 2019, 9:06 PM

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And, while that’s true that they’re not expressly said to be based off of Noble Team, it’s undeniable that the suits at least visually look like they customized Mark V worn by NOBLE (even though IMO it’s dumb from a lore perspective)

obsidian thistle May 25, 2019, 9:08 PM

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Do remember Halo 5 customisation isnt accurate to how Spartans can customise their sets.

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Halo 4 is closest.

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So by all means there is probs a lil mix and match here and there

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Here be Tom wearing a mix match of Halo 5 suits.
https://www.halopedia.org/images/1/1b/TomB292.png

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Also remember that Halo 5 Recruit isnt actually fully Recruit also.

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Here be what proper full Recruit (Halo 4) looks like.
https://www.halopedia.org/images/7/7b/Recruit_pure.png

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Here be what Halo 5 uses (plus Halo 4 Campaign)
https://www.halopedia.org/images/0/05/H5G_-_MJOLNIR_Recruit_render.png

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Ricochet forearms and a unknown right shoulder we have no name for.

stoic hamlet May 25, 2019, 9:15 PM

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Of course

carmine sleet May 25, 2019, 9:15 PM

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I find it very interesting that the right shoulder was different on the S-IVs we saw in Halo 4's campaign and in Halo 5's multiplayer to what we could actually get. Like, is there a potential reason for that unique shoulder?

obsidian thistle May 25, 2019, 9:15 PM

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No idea tbh it just "exists".

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But yea my point being the "Halo 5" armor may not be purely what their names are.

stoic hamlet May 25, 2019, 9:17 PM

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But then what part of say, Vigilant, is an actual new armour? Or is it just Mark V retrofitted onto GEN2?

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(Vigilant is Juns armour name right?)

obsidian thistle May 25, 2019, 9:19 PM

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No idea. Which is why the wiki doesnt assume. We just go by what sources say tbh.

But if I had to guess. It would be a mix of looking at the old suit directly and adapting parts to work and at times making better new parts

carmine sleet May 25, 2019, 9:20 PM

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So stuff like a better fusion reactor would've likely been installed into the old suit, whereas something like the helmet would still be the old one?

stoic hamlet May 25, 2019, 9:20 PM

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That seems likely IMO

obsidian thistle May 25, 2019, 9:21 PM

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The helmets are not 1 to 1 so I doubt they are the og versions

carmine sleet May 25, 2019, 9:21 PM

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Fair, I was just using that as an example

stoic hamlet May 25, 2019, 9:21 PM

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Considering a lot of GEN1 has been retrofitted, I.E, Operator

obsidian thistle May 25, 2019, 9:22 PM

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Tbh the only 1 to be 100% GEN1 is Mark V Delta and thats cause they just took the helmet and used it with software updates.

stoic hamlet May 25, 2019, 9:22 PM

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Didn’t they do the same with Operator, Mark IV.....(Recon?)

obsidian thistle May 25, 2019, 9:23 PM

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The other Gen1 helmets dont particularly go into enough detail on that. By all means they swapped internal hardware.

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Like how all the Mark V helmets in Halo 3 got changed to be effectively a Mark VI variant by Software and Hardware upgrades

stoic hamlet May 25, 2019, 9:24 PM

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I mean, Technically that’s what Mark V is

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It’s basically just the same armour as Mark IV but with energy shields and some software upgrades.

obsidian thistle May 25, 2019, 9:26 PM

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Its a lil more than that tbh. XD

stoic hamlet May 25, 2019, 9:26 PM

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If you mean visually I disagree

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Well, not disagree but I question it

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We don’t know what “late War” Mark IV looks like.

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It’s highly possible, (for example) Owen B-096 is wearing Mark IV in Meridian Divide, as IIRC it’s still set in 2548

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Despite it “looking” like Mark V

obsidian thistle May 25, 2019, 9:52 PM

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Note that Mark IV (b) is a thing

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Which seems to be its own suit.

carmine sleet May 25, 2019, 9:53 PM

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Isn't that what people theorise Fred wears in Forward Until Dawn?

obsidian thistle May 25, 2019, 9:53 PM

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It is what Fred wore if I recall.

carmine sleet May 25, 2019, 9:54 PM

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Ah, that's canon then? Cool

stoic hamlet May 25, 2019, 9:55 PM

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With the way 343 have done variants recently every new variant seems to be its own suit.

obsidian thistle May 25, 2019, 9:56 PM

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Eh not exctly. Halopedia (aka I this time) narrowed it down a lot

stoic hamlet May 25, 2019, 9:56 PM

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Even when that just doesn’t make sense.

Speaking of recent variants, I wish we got any info at all on what the members of Green and Gold team were wearing during SILENT STORM

obsidian thistle May 25, 2019, 9:56 PM

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Most "variants" come in the form of parts and helmets.

stoic hamlet May 25, 2019, 9:56 PM

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So then, would it be wrong to call them variants?

silver grail May 25, 2019, 9:57 PM

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Anyone interested in Halo DnD on Discord?

stoic hamlet May 25, 2019, 9:57 PM

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If it’s not a full change, wouldn’t it just be more accurate to say “they’re wearing Mark IV but their helmet is specialized for X”

Instead of, “they’re wearing Mark IV ARGUS” or whatever

dreamy marlin May 25, 2019, 10:01 PM

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Like the armor in reach?

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seems more appropriate

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UA variants and such

obsidian thistle May 25, 2019, 10:01 PM

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Look at it like this
There is suit variants. These can have prototype stuff on them.
Examples include the base set, B, Cobalt.

There is helmet based variants. These may be used on numerous suits but are still a variant of Mark IV helmet.

There is also specialised armor which is tweeked either for the user or to test stuff. (COBALT did this)

dreamy tulip May 25, 2019, 10:06 PM

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What's to days topic

obsidian thistle May 25, 2019, 10:08 PM

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Seems to be Mark IV variants and how most are nameless lol

warm wigeon May 25, 2019, 11:07 PM

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@silver grail i would be interested

fair hazel May 26, 2019, 2:18 AM

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What are your favourite facts about the Paris/

keen brook May 26, 2019, 3:39 AM

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It's named after Paris

stoic hamlet May 26, 2019, 3:48 AM

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And like it’s namesake, it’s not all it’s cracked up to be.

keen brook May 26, 2019, 4:03 AM

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It's still really beautiful though

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Paris is nice

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From what I've seen

last anchor May 26, 2019, 4:05 AM

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Pretty sure in the 2550s most of Paris has sunk into the catacombs under it under the sheer amount of French people.

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Then again lots of Meridian is French so

keen brook May 26, 2019, 4:22 AM

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A lot of people moved to other planets so maybe not

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If they all had remained on earth, probably

versed helm May 26, 2019, 11:57 AM

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Hey what's today's topic?

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 11:58 AM

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lets talk about rings

versed helm May 26, 2019, 12:00 PM

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I like rings

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 12:00 PM

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if you like it then you should've made a ring for it

versed helm May 26, 2019, 12:01 PM

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I wish the foruners didnt let any other species live

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 12:01 PM

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the ultimate murder suicide

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what if the forrunners survived

versed helm May 26, 2019, 12:02 PM

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Thay did

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 12:02 PM

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i mean all of them

versed helm May 26, 2019, 12:02 PM

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But the survivors went to different galaxyd

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 12:02 PM

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oh

versed helm May 26, 2019, 12:02 PM

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Heracy

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 12:03 PM

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blasphamy

versed helm May 26, 2019, 12:03 PM

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Heratic

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 12:03 PM

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arbiter

versed helm May 26, 2019, 12:03 PM

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John master chief 117

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 12:03 PM

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master chef 711

versed helm May 26, 2019, 12:03 PM

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Master chief address 117

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 12:04 PM

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master sarge johnson

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if the entire cod universe had to fight 1 unsc ship who would win

versed helm May 26, 2019, 12:05 PM

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#general-chat

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 12:05 PM

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got it

versed helm May 26, 2019, 12:31 PM

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One might say that that discussion topic would be acceptable under lore and universe discussion as an analysis of the capabilities of said UNSC vessel against primarily modern opponents.

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Of course, a little more of a specific setup would've served it.

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Either way, not your place to do a mod's job, @versed helm. At least not in cases like this.

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 12:32 PM

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hi there

versed helm May 26, 2019, 12:32 PM

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Hello.

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To answer your question, things in Infinite Warfare make it a little hard to say.

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I've got no idea what the capabilities of those ships are, and it also would depend on the class of UNSC ship in question.

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But tbh, isn't that question is kinda silly, thinking about it, because it's basically asking if a UNSC ship could take on a planet which somehow was simultaneously fighting WW2, engaged in WW3, having the cold war, and a variety of not-too-far-futuristic conflicts.

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You can't really fight all of COD and have it make sense.

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@versed helm I was saying to go there so a mod wouldn't mute us

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Mhm. Because that's what the mods here are known for.

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Randomly muting you without notice or issuing warnings of any kind.

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I think they might be insulted, tbh.

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 12:36 PM

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well i mean a temporal alliance of the CoD (not temporary)

versed helm May 26, 2019, 12:37 PM

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It all depends if anything from CoD can actually take down a UNSC vessel. There were some very large fleets in Infinite Warfare.

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Infinity would probably mulch those, though.

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But I doubt In Amber Clad would.

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As I said, gotta be more specific.

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 12:39 PM

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ok 1 standard CoD infinite warfare frigate vs 1 unsc frigate (both including land forces carried inside

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no spartans though

versed helm May 26, 2019, 12:40 PM

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Well you tell me what weapons, armour and capability a "CoD Infinite Warfare frigate" has and we'll work out if a "UNSC frigate" - which entails at least 4 distinct classes at this point, the most recent of which is basically a light cruiser - can beat it.

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Paris, Charon, Stalwart or Strident.

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Plus Infinity's new Anlance sub-vessels.

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 12:42 PM

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it says the only frigate was the icarus 03 and was destroyed by a blackhole

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nothing about weapons or personnel

versed helm May 26, 2019, 12:43 PM

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Kinda hard to compare.

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 12:43 PM

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no in game images

versed helm May 26, 2019, 12:43 PM

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When it comes to ground troops - which I argue is the most compelling comparison, and my personal area of expertise - it's also a little murky.

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 12:44 PM

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they have similar training

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until unsc finds the covenant

versed helm May 26, 2019, 12:44 PM

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UNSC soldiers are, of course, the meanest of the green and generally very hardened. They've had the benefit of fighting deadly aliens, depending on what era we're coming from.

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 12:44 PM

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they can take a needle to the eye

versed helm May 26, 2019, 12:44 PM

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Not canonically.

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 12:45 PM

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i know i just loved halo reach for that

versed helm May 26, 2019, 12:45 PM

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Uh-huh.

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Anyway, UNSC ground troops have never been particularly extravagant in their panoply of war.

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Their weapons are just distant cousins of what we use today, many even firing projectiles of the same dimensions, albeit fleshed out with much in the way of sophisticated electronic targeting and recoil-reduction systems.

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 12:46 PM

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but if we were to have the ship full of every spartan I II III IV ever

versed helm May 26, 2019, 12:46 PM

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They tend to bring what they think they'll need instead of being ready for any situation.

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 12:47 PM

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true

versed helm May 26, 2019, 12:47 PM

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It's far from unheard of for Marines to conduct boarding actions in Halo without bothering with manoeuvring thrusters or even vacuum suits.

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 12:47 PM

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let's say the unsc is the pillar of autumn

versed helm May 26, 2019, 12:47 PM

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Presumably because they have a lot of faith in their electronic warfare systems and the design sensibilities of the craft in the Halo universe.

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 12:48 PM

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i mean the ships fight in the air while ground forces duke it out on land

versed helm May 26, 2019, 12:49 PM

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I was just using that as an example of the sort of methods UNSC troops typically utilize, not necessarily saying this would be a boarding action.

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 12:49 PM

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okay

versed helm May 26, 2019, 12:51 PM

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At the end of the day, there is a lot I wish I knew for sure that we just don't about UNSC infantry. Optimistically, they're heavily-trained, grav-conditioned, highly disciplined soldiers going into battle in fiber-armoured uniforms with reactive body armour and sophisticated weapon systems that fire highly advanced futuristic derivations of modern rounds.

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It's also possible that they're cowboys with cloth uniforms and simplistic bits of plating over their body lugging around oversized weapons designed to plink ammunition that exists today.

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 12:53 PM

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they could be a mix of both as well

tardy mirage May 26, 2019, 12:53 PM

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the guns make muzzleflash

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 12:53 PM

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yes they do

tardy mirage May 26, 2019, 12:54 PM

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so its at least partially conventional

versed helm May 26, 2019, 12:55 PM

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Like, let's look at the M118 7.62x51mm FMJ-AP round that is used in some of the most dominant UNSC infantry longarms. Worst case scenario, it is literally just a modern M118 7.62x51 NATO round, designed for use in sniper rifles at about the time of the Vietnam war.

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The art that has been used in the Halo Encyclopedia seems to reflect that. Someone person responsible for a portion of the art of Halo 3 decided just to grab a modern bullet and display it as what the MA5-series fires.

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 12:56 PM

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well if the unsc had already made the treaty the arbiter then they would be able to use plasma rounds that burn though metal and bodyarmour as well as plasma weaponry built into their warthogs, guns, and airships

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there are just so many possiblilitys

versed helm May 26, 2019, 12:56 PM

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I take solace in the fact that there's no way 32 or 36 7.62x51mm NATO rounds could possibly fit in the magazines we see in-game, meaning that the UNSC must either have very, very whacky magazines or there's something else at play.

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 12:57 PM

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dun dun duuun

versed helm May 26, 2019, 12:58 PM

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My optimistic headcanon is that the UNSC's 7.62x51 ammunition is a re-engineered 7.62x51mm round with a straightwalled casing no broader than 8mm as opposed to a real life 7.62 NATO round's 12mm - this round would use some form of super-potent propellant designed to burn rapidly, efficiently and give off a great deal of expanding gas by modern standards. The bullet is extremely heavy, deformation-resistant and capped with a purpose-composed titanium alloy substance.

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That's just one example of the sort of interpretational variance that surrounds UNSC gear, thanks in no small part to 343's refusal to give in-depth technical lore regarding these things.

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Probably because the technical lore Bungie gave was so poor and silly.

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Side-rant over.

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 1:00 PM

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well bungie tried their best

versed helm May 26, 2019, 1:02 PM

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Generally, I think it's fair to say that the UNSC's best assets lie in their materials. They seem to have an absolutely breathtaking array of titanium-composite supermaterials which are extremely light for their exceptional resilience. They also have a strong array of magnetic-based weapons above the infantry level, and they certainly have sophisticated and durable electronics and battlefield coordination systems, up-to and including smart AI.

tardy mirage May 26, 2019, 1:02 PM

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who cares how hard they tried

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 1:02 PM

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if you play halo

versed helm May 26, 2019, 1:03 PM

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They also make quite heavy use of drones, though Covenant electronic warfare measures often complicate their use.

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We see drone usage in Halo 3 ODST as well as several novels, and the explanation for why they're so often absent in-game is provided in Spartan Ops.

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 1:03 PM

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anyway i would say that is a good superiority to have

versed helm May 26, 2019, 1:04 PM

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At the very minimum, their ground forces are experienced and gutsy, even if their actual equipment and preparedness leaves a bit to be desired (which it may or may not, it's genuinely hard to tell).

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 1:05 PM

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you can tell the marine's want to fight through their helljumper chant

versed helm May 26, 2019, 1:05 PM

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ODSTs are the wild card.

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Generally speaking, they've got an extreme psychological advantage over most enemies because they're nuts.

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 1:06 PM

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they think outside the box in ways

versed helm May 26, 2019, 1:06 PM

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The initial indication that was given by the early novels seem to be that their ranks were filled with natural killers, psychos and misfits all crazy enough to withstand the psychological pressures of their job.

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 1:06 PM

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that i wonder if there was a box to begin with

versed helm May 26, 2019, 1:06 PM

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That seems to have been toned down these days.

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The Flood gives a particularly good interpretation of their mindset. Many among them are good people, but the nicest ODST in that book doesn't hesitate to kill herself and all the rest of the ODSTs on Installation 04 in order to prevent the Flood from getting to Earth.

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 1:07 PM

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but as far as i know, no odst has the hyper lethal ranking

versed helm May 26, 2019, 1:07 PM

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That ranking is nonsense.

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Likely only cooked up for advertising.

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It's a childish and useless way to look at the universe and it annoys me.

tardy mirage May 26, 2019, 1:07 PM

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all of the normal people died earlier in the war so all you're left with is psycho crazies

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 1:07 PM

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ok

versed helm May 26, 2019, 1:07 PM

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You do not rank soldiers.

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 1:07 PM

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ok

versed helm May 26, 2019, 1:08 PM

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Glad we got that cleared up xD

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Anyway, I think it's fair to say that should ODSTs be present in this engagement - which they likely would be, given that the PoA was the ship in question you'd elected, and that maintained a full battalion of them at least - that's a considerable point in favour of the UNSC.

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They are undeniably extremely capable, resilient and dangerous soldiers.

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 1:10 PM

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i chose pillar of autumn because it's the classic frigate

versed helm May 26, 2019, 1:10 PM

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It's a modified Halcyon-class light cruiser.

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Not a frigate.

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 1:10 PM

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im just simplifying

versed helm May 26, 2019, 1:11 PM

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As stated before, frigates are of the Paris, Stalwart, Charon, Strident and Anlance classes.

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That's not a useful simplification. It's inaccurate.

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 1:11 PM

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i don't want to have to type out modifed halcon-class light cruiser everytime. thats what im getting at

versed helm May 26, 2019, 1:11 PM

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In this case, the PoA could absolutely ruin the day of any frigate-classification vessel.

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Then just type PoA.

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But yeah, now that we've discussed the UNSC end of things

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 1:12 PM

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k

versed helm May 26, 2019, 1:12 PM

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I can't remember the foggiest detail about the soldiers of Infinite Warfare

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 1:12 PM

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me neither

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i actually don't think i played infinite warfare

versed helm May 26, 2019, 1:13 PM

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I seem to remember them being unerringly similar in a lot of ways. Lot of weird-looking body armour and pew-pew guns.

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A bit of jet-pack jumpy fwooshiness.

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Rocket boots or something, I think it was xD

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 1:14 PM

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why is it every time someone makes a futurisic videogame someone has to have pew-pew guns

versed helm May 26, 2019, 1:14 PM

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It's one of the ways firearms might develop, I guess.

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 1:14 PM

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i mean the humans from halo have just kinetic rounds except for the gauss gun from later games

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i guess but everyone says they use lasers which is just inaccurate, they use super heated plasma which produces the colors due to different gases emitted

versed helm May 26, 2019, 1:16 PM

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That's correct.

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Though their ships have laser weaponry, actually.

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Pulse lasers and plasma torpedoes, mainly.

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 1:16 PM

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when it comes to plasma weaponry i am a pro

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the pulse lasers were the earliest defences that the unsc could use against the covenant

versed helm May 26, 2019, 1:17 PM

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That's not true.

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Are you thinking of Magnetic Accelerator Cannons?

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 1:17 PM

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either that or im getting my universes mixed up

versed helm May 26, 2019, 1:18 PM

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MACs are just enormously upsized gauss cannons.

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Tend to deliver enough kinetic force to cause problems with Covenant shield generators.

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 1:19 PM

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thats what i was thinking of

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darn my memory

versed helm May 26, 2019, 1:20 PM

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The UNSC's use for lasers is infantry-borne tankbusting at the moment.

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 1:21 PM

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got it

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hey do you think halo infinite will be open world

versed helm May 26, 2019, 1:22 PM

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I'm personally hoping for a redux of CE's style of enormous levels filled with different engagements.

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 1:22 PM

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that will be fun to see

versed helm May 26, 2019, 1:22 PM

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With Spartan Ops-like mission elements that re-use level architecture in interesting ways.

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Just to maximise the overall amount of shooting.

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I would like to see the emergence of more tactical elements, though.

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Maybe calling for support.

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 1:23 PM

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well if it is openworld i just hope i can own a warthog

versed helm May 26, 2019, 1:23 PM

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Sorta killstreak-style stuff, but campaign-orientated and rooted in the Halo universe.

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Calling for an ODST drop or a pelican load of Marine chums to follow you around.

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 1:24 PM

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i always like the flying levels so if i can fly freely that will be awesome

versed helm May 26, 2019, 1:24 PM

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Of course, calling in AI would require ensuring that they were useful, which has been hit-or-miss in the past.

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 1:25 PM

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i must've understood the lore wrong be cause i though all the rings were destroyed unless 1 survived

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or was the only the arc destroyed

versed helm May 26, 2019, 1:26 PM

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Installation 04 was destroyed, and the Ark was damaged when its replacement fired prematurely and destroyed itself.

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All the other ones are fine.

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 1:26 PM

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so i did take it in wrong

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ok

versed helm May 26, 2019, 1:28 PM

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Quick theory: Installation 04 was so easy to destroy in Halo CE because it was warming up to fire, and the damage dealt by the overloading PoA reactor breached its energy containment systems and caused a cascading release which led to the enormous explosion which tore the ring apart.

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Clearly, when a ring's firing systems are compromised, they're capable of causing a lot of raw destruction, as occurred on the Ark.

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The reason for this theory is that it seems unlikely that a single overloading reactor core could do the sort of damage we see in the CE ending.

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 1:29 PM

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what if we built our own ring

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in the real world

versed helm May 26, 2019, 1:29 PM

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Steady on xD

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We're just warming up to putting a permanent space station in orbit around the moon so we can do other stuff.

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In a few hundred years, we might be able to start considering it.

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Here's hoping life-extension makes an appearance in a big way, huh?

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 1:30 PM

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did you hear that donald trump is starting a space force

versed helm May 26, 2019, 1:30 PM

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I did.

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 1:30 PM

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i swear if he straight up copies halo im going to die laughing

versed helm May 26, 2019, 1:31 PM

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Probably a step in the right direction, but not at the best time for humanity.

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But now I'm getting political so we'll shift.

shrewd lichen May 26, 2019, 1:31 PM

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tru

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oh got to go

versed helm May 26, 2019, 1:31 PM

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See ya.

versed helm May 26, 2019, 5:57 PM

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how many rings are there

carmine sleet May 26, 2019, 5:59 PM

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As of 2559 (The year Halo Wars 2 is set in), there is seven but we do not know the location of most of them

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The ones that have been discovered are 03, 04, 05 and 07. 03 is currently missing after the events of Halo Escalation, 04 was destroyed in Halo Combat Evolved, and its first replacement (08) was destroyed in Halo 3 and then the Halo seen in Halo Wars 2 is 09 and it is unknown where it is currently thanks to the Guardian that pulled it out of slipspace before it reached where 04 was originally stationed

versed helm May 26, 2019, 11:40 PM

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Today's topic

versed helm May 27, 2019, 12:38 AM

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I still like to know how Jun even got off Reach

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Anyone?

feral perch May 27, 2019, 12:45 AM

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Frank O'Connor tweeted about it, hold on

versed helm May 27, 2019, 12:46 AM

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Because i'm betting ONI played a role in it or may have been the ones who got him off Reach

feral perch May 27, 2019, 12:47 AM

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we don't know

versed helm May 27, 2019, 12:48 AM

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Not gonna lie,his new look reminds me of Lex Luthor

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I can't be the only one to not trust ONI

feral perch May 27, 2019, 12:54 AM

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Nobody trusts ONI heh

stoic shale May 27, 2019, 12:54 AM

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^

sick mauve May 27, 2019, 1:09 AM

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Where was Jun in CE?

fair hazel May 27, 2019, 1:14 AM

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Probably making his way to somewhere safe in slipspace

stoic hamlet May 27, 2019, 1:41 AM

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Do I need to post my ONI essay? sigh

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https://old.reddit.com/r/HaloStory/comments/abodp2/an_essay_on_the_office_of_naval_intelligence_the/

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For the record, I trust ONI. They’ve never shown themselves to go against their mandate, even seemingly rogue agents still technically never went against their desired goals.

versed helm May 27, 2019, 1:47 AM

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^

stoic hamlet May 27, 2019, 1:47 AM

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Which is and always has been the continued survival of humanity

versed helm May 27, 2019, 1:47 AM

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ONI are on our side.

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The same cannot be said of certain protagonists at certain points.

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Hence, why they sometimes appear villainous.

gilded mason May 27, 2019, 1:48 AM

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Eh. I go with Anton's posts for my disagreement with that.

versed helm May 27, 2019, 1:48 AM

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~~You would tbh~~

gilded mason May 27, 2019, 1:48 AM

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Of course 😏

versed helm May 27, 2019, 1:49 AM

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xD

stoic hamlet May 27, 2019, 1:50 AM

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.>

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Am I missing something?

versed helm May 27, 2019, 1:53 AM

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He's clearly a filthy hinge-head lover.

gilded mason May 27, 2019, 1:54 AM

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😉

stoic hamlet May 27, 2019, 1:56 AM

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Ahh, I see

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So he is.

feral perch May 27, 2019, 2:14 AM

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So fades the great harvest of my hinge-head lover

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insert that quote anywhere in the franchise

versed helm May 27, 2019, 2:42 AM

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"I need a hinge-head lover."

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"We regret being alien b*stards, we regret coming to Earth, and we most definitely regret being hinge-head lovers."

feral perch May 27, 2019, 2:46 AM

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"Corpses shift and offer room, a hinger-head lover you must abide."

stoic peak May 27, 2019, 4:12 AM

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Halo Renegades spoilers.
Is Rion ship now more advanced than the Infinity after Spark used the Upgrade Seed on the Ace? Making it a blend of Forerunner and human technology working together as one

last anchor May 27, 2019, 4:51 AM

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Slightly more so, but more stealth focused

stoic peak May 27, 2019, 4:57 AM

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I mean even the wepons are more advanced after Spark used the upgrade seed, probably faster as well.

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I love this line "The Ace of Spades became a one-of-a-kind fusion of human and Forerunner technologies. Unlike other human ships with Forerunner technology, it was not a human retrofit but a seamless, unifying intergration led by Forerunner-driven technology"

last anchor May 27, 2019, 5:04 AM

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Pretty much, yeah.
Its still not got the raw oblitoriative firepower of Infinity though. No quad-Super MACs, no hordes of missiles.

stoic peak May 27, 2019, 5:11 AM

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Yeah true. But if the UNSC had the Ace Of Spades now it would be a big asset

last anchor May 27, 2019, 5:19 AM

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Too bad they don't. They really shouldnt have messed with Rion XD

stoic peak May 27, 2019, 5:29 AM

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I think a Halo movie or series based on Rion would be amazing

swift igloo May 27, 2019, 9:27 AM

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Couldn't the UNSC use the Ark to locate the rest of the installations? After they deal with the guardian/ banished threat of course

inner basin May 27, 2019, 10:01 AM

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I don’t believe the Ark actually shows where the other Installations are because if the Monitor of the Ark, 000 Tragic Solitude was captured by the Flood, he would know of the location of all the other rings and so the Flood could use that knowledge to their advantage. The Monitors were limited of that knowledge meaning the rings were also limited of that knowledge

torn patio May 27, 2019, 10:01 AM

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ahhh nothing like discussing halo lore at 3am

inner basin May 27, 2019, 10:02 AM

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Well it’s 11:02am for me, I don’t see a problem with that time

dim imp May 27, 2019, 10:02 AM

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12pm here

torn patio May 27, 2019, 10:03 AM

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i guess i'm the crazy one then

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anyways to answer Libertas with another question: does anyone know how actually bad the Ark was damaged during the alpha halo event ?

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maybe it was touched on by later lore idk

carmine sleet May 27, 2019, 10:05 AM

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Alpha Halo event? You mean when Chief destroyed the ring in Halo CE? That was nowhere near the Ark

dim imp May 27, 2019, 10:05 AM

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He probably meant installation 08

torn patio May 27, 2019, 10:05 AM

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no, I mean installation 08

dim imp May 27, 2019, 10:05 AM

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Well we play on the Ark in halo Wars 2

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Did you play it ?

torn patio May 27, 2019, 10:06 AM

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ah, no I did not

dim imp May 27, 2019, 10:06 AM

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The ark is doing fine

torn patio May 27, 2019, 10:06 AM

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so it's still intact

dim imp May 27, 2019, 10:06 AM

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It still can create rings

torn patio May 27, 2019, 10:06 AM

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I mean, it is pretty huge lol

dim imp May 27, 2019, 10:06 AM

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Yeah
and it is the small version

inner basin May 27, 2019, 10:11 AM

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Installation-00: I’m large
Greater Ark: Hold my beer

high marsh May 27, 2019, 10:21 AM

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lol

strong sage May 27, 2019, 10:22 AM

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Supposedly if S3 are using GEN 2 does it improvr their strenght etc? Or those only applies to SIV

inner basin May 27, 2019, 10:28 AM

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Spartan-IIs, Spartan-IIIs and Spartan-IVs all were issued Mjolnir GEN2 (well at least those who were in UNSC controlled space when the Spartan Operations branch launched or came in contact with UNSC after that). Spartan-IIs and IIIs in Mjolnir GEN2 (or GEN1) would be on par with each other whereas a Spartan-IV in Mjolnir GEN2 (or GEN1 for whatever reason they would be wearing that) would fall short of both the IIs and IIIs. The answer would be yes though, as GEN2 is far more advanced and better than Mjolnir GEN1 @strong sage

abstract zealot May 27, 2019, 10:38 AM

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Mjolnir GEN2 is also meant to make up for the SPARTAN-IVs not as extensive augmentations that is predecessors had. Here are some sentences from Halopedia regarding the augmentations and the Mjolnir GEN2.

”While the SPARTAN-IV augmentations enhance the subjects' strength and speed, the improvements in these areas are not as extensive as in the two preceding programs and their technological underpinnings are considerably different. However, the SPARTAN-IV augmentation series also introduces many specialized procedures not applied before, and the second generation of Mjolnir armor, standard issue to all Spartan-IVs, is able to effectively bridge the physiological gap between them and the earlier generations due to its superior physical enhancement.”

inner basin May 27, 2019, 10:40 AM

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However if Spartan-IIs and IIIs were also equipped in Mjolnir GEN1 or GEN2 they still do have an edge over their Spartan-IV counterparts, more so in GEN2 though as their armour is at a level playing field

abstract zealot May 27, 2019, 10:41 AM

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Indeed.

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I’ve had many discussions regarding this and people always then ask me about Chief and Locke fighting and why Chief didn’t win sooner. I simple tell them that Chief is holding back. If you watch the cutscenes you can barely see Locke using his suits thrusters to keep up with him (though it could be one of many cutscene glitches in the campaign). The reason why Chief is holding back is because Locke is still UNSC and a fellow soldier.

versed helm May 27, 2019, 10:45 AM

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Chief is not that much greater of a combatant than Locke.

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Absolutely, he has more experience, but the capabilities of Spartans in MJOLNIR are essentially even across all generations.

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The individual strength of Spartan marks are sort of irrelevant in MJOLNIR. All that matters is that a Spartan is capable of wearing it, which means at least a baseline level of physical augmentation. MJOLNIR suits obviously have a fairly even spread of physical capabilities, however, so the only way Chief could actually be stronger than Locke is if he was stronger than his own suit of MJOLNIR, which he is not.

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The differences between Spartan II and IVs might be quite severe out of armour (which I'm not sure about), but in MJOLNIR a Spartan is a Spartan.

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@inner basin is kinda right, basically.

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If I've interpreted what he's saying correctly.

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But Chief did win, and he won because despite the fact that Locke is an extremely scrappy and tenacious combatant, he doesn't have the same experience as a Spartan. And maybe Chief was holding back, though holding back tends to manifest as not killing the individual rather than defeating them slower.

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Not defending the actual fight scene, though. It was a horrible representation of established Spartan capabilities.

inner basin May 27, 2019, 10:53 AM

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Due to the cutscene not accurately depicting established Spartan class capabilities many people don’t use it/ignore what it shows in terms of lore

strong sage May 27, 2019, 10:54 AM

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How about jerome’s cutscenes in the carrier

versed helm May 27, 2019, 10:54 AM

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That is much better.

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It very much displayed the raw physical power and unpredictability of them.

inner basin May 27, 2019, 10:54 AM

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That cutscene is more accurate in terms of Spartan capabilities and remember he is in Mjolnir GEN1

versed helm May 27, 2019, 10:54 AM

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He smashed an elite across the room. I want to do that in-game.

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But here's a slightly uneasy comparison for you.

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You guys ever play Dead Space?

inner basin May 27, 2019, 10:55 AM

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No, wasn’t really around games in it’s hay-day

versed helm May 27, 2019, 10:55 AM

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Well there are enemies in that game who wear armour that's got compromised time-stasis packs in them.

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The result is that there's horrific zombie creatures that you see on the other side of the room

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And suddenly they fly towards you in a horrible flailing blur and appear in front of your face

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Spartans move and fight so quickly that they're difficult to track. They should be much like that, especially when in combat with one another.

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The enemy in question are "twitcher necromorphs", if you want to look it up.

inner basin May 27, 2019, 10:58 AM

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Remember Spartans aren’t that fast that you can barely track them with and their movements with your eyes. They are augmented humans in strength and speed, yes, but they’re not that fast to just be a blur

versed helm May 27, 2019, 10:59 AM

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There are certainly instances in TFoR where they are being described as moving so fast they're virtually impossible to track, of that I am very certain.

inner basin May 27, 2019, 11:00 AM

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Remember in books authors tend to use exaggeration just to emphasise a point. The point being how insane Spartans are in combat and overall battle prowess and I don’t doubt that, but it doesn’t mean they are to the extent the author may describe

versed helm May 27, 2019, 11:01 AM

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On a realistic level, power is derived from weight and velocity.

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You don't hit harder by hitting stronger, you hit harder by hitting faster.

inner basin May 27, 2019, 11:02 AM

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Well with Sci-Fi realism is usually a second thought, and interesting the reader/audience is first

versed helm May 27, 2019, 11:02 AM

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There are absolutely canonical elements from Halo that ought to be called into question.

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From my perspective, Nylund's writings on the Spartan II program are not one of them. They form the core of Halo's universe in a very real sense.

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Without them, Halo would be different today. A lot different.

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But, we can agree to disagree.

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Personally, I find the idea of Spartans moving unnaturally, unerringly fast to be extremely cool. I see no reason why you wouldn't want it to be canon.

inner basin May 27, 2019, 11:04 AM

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I’m not saying that, but what I’m saying is that Spartans can be followed with your eyes, they are fast, but not fast enough to be a blur

versed helm May 27, 2019, 11:04 AM

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I would say that all canonical evidence points to the contrary. They have been described as exactly that many times.

inner basin May 27, 2019, 11:05 AM

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If that truly was the case, there would be more mention of this in extended universe and most people could say that Nylund was using exaggeration, myself included

versed helm May 27, 2019, 11:05 AM

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Spartans in the extended universe are generally displayed as being scarily fast, when written about.

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Oftentimes their capabilities are not precisely discussed.

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Some of the less detailed narratives just give a general idea of what they did, without being very specific.

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It seems to me that most specific depictions of Spartan speed are very adamant that they are very fast.

inner basin May 27, 2019, 11:06 AM

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Yes and that they are, but not to the point where they are a blur. I think you are underestimating how fast one needs to be to become just a blur

versed helm May 27, 2019, 11:07 AM

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Oh, I'm not quite saying they're a blur. Things in real life don't really become a blur unless they're very far away from you and moving very fast.

inner basin May 27, 2019, 11:07 AM

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The flash is a blur and would you say Spartans are as fast as him?

versed helm May 27, 2019, 11:07 AM

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No offence, friend, but that is one of the silliest comparisons I've seen made.

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What is more likely, however, is that Spartans can be almost on you before you really register that they've begun moving.

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At close range, they might seem to blink around, just subtly.

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Hence the necromorph comparison.

inner basin May 27, 2019, 11:08 AM

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Does the wind brush past you as a Spartan runs past, no. That’s because they are not as fast to move air of the way into becoming a brush of wind

strong sage May 27, 2019, 11:08 AM

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Maybe they were blur because of the environment that they were in ish? Since maybe it is a dark room or some sort? ^^ sorry if im misinterpreted things as i haven’t read much of the novels

versed helm May 27, 2019, 11:09 AM

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Kelly is often described as a "blur" or "streak" when running at full speed.

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That is obviously exaggeration.

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But my overarching point here is that Spartans should be fast to a freaky extent.

inner basin May 27, 2019, 11:09 AM

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The flash comparison was just to give a retrospective of how fast one may need to be to be a blur

versed helm May 27, 2019, 11:09 AM

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Like, here's a plausible scenario.

inner basin May 27, 2019, 11:10 AM

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And yes I agree Spartans are fast and the only point I was trying to discern was they are not a blur, but now that’s been accepted I think we can settle it

versed helm May 27, 2019, 11:10 AM

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You enter a room, weapon raised. You see a shape in the corner of the room, about eight meters away - before your mind registers that it's a Spartan, they're halfway across that distance. You fire a few shots, he grabs your gun.

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In the moment, it is difficult to discern individual movements from him. He seems to very unerringly blink closer to you, though you can see moments of movement between it.

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It's just that the moments in which he's moving at low speed are so much more drawn out than the time he's moving at full speed, it's very unerring for you.

inner basin May 27, 2019, 11:12 AM

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Also the scenario you set up kinda reminds me of that scene between Jai and Thel ‘Vadam on the Rubble. Jai jumps out fires a few shots but Thel’ reaches him very quickly and twists the barrel of the gun

versed helm May 27, 2019, 11:12 AM

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Elites are fast too.

inner basin May 27, 2019, 11:13 AM

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Not as fast as Spartans but that’s because Spartans are biologically augmented where as Elites have that raw talent from their long legs and training in their keeps

swift igloo May 27, 2019, 11:44 AM

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Arbiter was very quick when he took on Miranda and Johnson

quartz willow May 27, 2019, 1:16 PM

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Yes he was he was first able to knock out a spartan 1 or Orion project survivor than he was able to do the same with miranda

modest marsh May 27, 2019, 1:35 PM

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@versed helm I fundamentally disagree with your interpretation on the relationship between the strength of a Spartan and their armor

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It is repeatedly stated that abilities of the operator are multiplied

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Stronger Spartans would be...stronger

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Heck, we see this in Halo 5 itself

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Chief has an advantage over his fellow team members, as does Buck

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Adriana is stated to be the “muscle” of Grey Team, and is noticeably stronger than her peers

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The field guide also heavily suggests that IVs experience a gradual process of increasing physicality over time

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This would be a useless endeavor if the armor did all the work

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And I don’t know where you’re getting the “fairly even spread” thing, Kelly is the only datapoint we need to know that a given Spartan can drastically overcome the abilities of another Spartan just from naturally being better

versed helm May 27, 2019, 1:48 PM

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I believe that the references to MJOLNIR multiplying a Spartan's capabilities are most faithfully interpreted as "the end result of a Spartan in MJOLNIR is a soldier with capabilities multiplied over what would be achievable without it".

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It just makes sense to me that the armour in and of itself would have its limitations, as all machines do, and the Spartans augmentations simply allow them to withstand what the armour can do.

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It's not a magical thing that takes whatever wears it and multiplies it.

modest marsh May 27, 2019, 1:49 PM

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But then Halsey goes off about how she can increase it to 5x in her journal

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I mean

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It is basically magic

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It’s a magic goo that fills their suits and doubles/quintuples their natural abilities

versed helm May 27, 2019, 1:50 PM

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Well if that's what you believe, we have irreconcilable differences in interpretation regarding the Halo universe and the relevant passages from the material.

modest marsh May 27, 2019, 1:50 PM

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Conveniently in strength, speed, and reaction time

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There has never been a time where the person wearing the armor has strained their muscles trying to do something?

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They don’t train their muscles to get stronger?

versed helm May 27, 2019, 1:51 PM

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And it's not magic goo, by the way. As I understand it, the techsuit is a sort of soft (ish) exoskeleton of mechanical force-multiplying circuits.

modest marsh May 27, 2019, 1:51 PM

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Bigger Spartans don’t have an advantage over smaller ones?

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I’m talking about the reactive metal liquid crystal

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Which is basically magic space goo

versed helm May 27, 2019, 1:52 PM

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hold on, what does buck have to do with having an advantage. buck was an ODST not a spartan

modest marsh May 27, 2019, 1:52 PM

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He is a Spartan now

versed helm May 27, 2019, 1:52 PM

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The crystal was data storage. Reactive gel is impact absorbance.

modest marsh May 27, 2019, 1:52 PM

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No it’s not

versed helm May 27, 2019, 1:52 PM

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There is no "reactive metal liquid crystal" as far as I understand it.

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yes, but you said:

Heck, we see this in Halo 5 itself
Chief has an advantage over his fellow team members, as does Buck```

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That's a unification of basically every layer of the armour.

modest marsh May 27, 2019, 1:53 PM

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Buck is a Spartan in halo 5

versed helm May 27, 2019, 1:53 PM

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buck isnt inherently stronger than Locke