Apparently the pentagon orders over 600 rolls a day
#lore-and-universe
versed helm
I mean, Halo Wars 2 tells us that UNSC fleets fabricate most of their stuff as-needed.
Like, I imagine they have an initial stock of what's needed, and then a period afterwards in which the fabrication units can be expected to keep pace with demand.
It's not beyond the realms of plausibility that they just purify whatever soft material scraps they can get their hands on when they need paper for
Like
Anything
merry summit
Well we have fought through the pillar of autumn before and not seen a single bathroom.
versed helm
Well the interior of the PoA isn't exactly the most canon thing.
merry summit
Like, I understand the living quarters are another part of the ship, but people sometimes need to go while working.
merry summit
I shall do that later
versed helm
The takeaway is that practicality wasn't the thing Bungie had in mind when they designed the first level of CE.
merry summit
Well hopefully infinite fixes those problems
never in a single Halo game have we seen a human pooping.
Unrealistic 0/10
versed helm
Ah, well. MJOLNIR armour plugs into the wearer in all sorts of ways.
merry summit
I expect that for Chief. But what about regular Marines and ODST?
versed helm
But I seem to remember the last time Halo made a push towards realism a lot of people screamed and cried out "GIB BACK CLASSIC ART STYLE"
merry summit
I enjoyed 5
versed helm
I think 5 was great as a game, but mediocre as Halo, and was the result of confused and poorly thought-out fan criticism post Halo 4.
Halo YouTubers are very much responsible.
versed helm
Personally I found Osiris' internal interactions to be quite clever and very humanizing and see the Created as a simply just too much of a high-concept hostile force for many outspoken individuals
But I don't tend to reveal that unless I know I'm in decent company
Like, even lore YouTubers, with the exception of Halo Canon, so often barely seem to grasp the things they read
And I'm not saying it's a matter of intelligence or whatever, it's must a matter of people not really being as passionate about Halo as they pretend while also feeling the need to make their opinions heard loudly and aggressively
And y'know, people don't give stuff a chance these days.
I'm just secretly hoping that moving forwards Infinite really does blend back in enough elements of the old art and tropes to satisfy everyone while serving as a coherent continuation of what 4 and 5 were driving towards. And it's hard to say, really - all we've seen is a tech demo for the engine.
A tech demo that people are extrapolating from waaaaayyyy too hard.
But that's content vacuum for ya
modest marsh
It is very bizarre how many of the influencers who have huge clout with the community will perpetuate misinformation about the franchise as fact
It’s certainly an annoying thing to come across to say the least.
remote spruce
Halo Youtubers aren't responsible for 5, most of them weren't active before 5. But they may be responsible for Infinite
@modest marsh examples of misinformation? I can only recall an error with someone saying "Gravemind used a portal near mars to go to the Ark"
modest marsh
I watched a halo follower video the other day just for the heck of it and Chris included additional dramatizations of his own when basically reading the text word for word
When describing an event from one of the books
feral perch
@versed helm That sounds similar to No True Scotsman. Even if people despise Halo 4/5 for poor reasons, that doesn't mean they care about the series less than another fan who does appreciate what 343 has done with the series.
I'm thinking HaloFollower is for professional laymen.
modest marsh
I mean regardless of your engagement level, reinterpretations of the material along with basically a transcription of the original text is extremely unprofessional and misleading
feral perch
I did enjoy their content when it was primarily the British-Indian guy, if I could just recall his name...
Dean, I think.
Dean something.
modest marsh
I recall a hidden Xperia video where he claims Elite Ultra helmets from Reach were sealed, which they are not, though that’s a pretty minor mistake
https://cdn.wallpapersafari.com/67/71/YnsfFD.jpg you can see mandibles from the front rather easily
fair hazel
You should watch other stuff than follower..
Also.. we've seen toilets and toilet signs before..
modest marsh
I don’t watch halo follower
A random video showed up on my feed and I felt compelled to see for myself
Safe to say I went in with a pessimistic attitude and finished feeling vindicated
versed helm
There's no need to watch anything
If you read the sources
Which I'm sure we all do, gents
obsidian thistle
Othertimes its nice to get another perspective. :)
And the rare times its caused me to fix the wiki.
fair hazel
Sometimes the discussion it generates and interpretations, and it's nice to hear people discuss it
last anchor
Agreed
royal spear
@feral perch Dean Abdou if I remember correctly
versed helm
Happy birthday April Orenski
feral perch
Yeah, that was it
last anchor
The one person from CAMS we dont know what happened to
keen brook
I prefer discussions over debates
Debates are just time consuming
Entertaining but worthless
warm wigeon
what happend to her
carmine sleet
No idea but Avia got her birthday wrong, it's on the 18th of June, not May
fair hazel
versus stuff is fun
turbid brook
Okay
Sooo
Why is the Didact sometimes called the Ur-Didact?
Or did someone just forget his name for a moment?
Please help thanks 🙏
carmine sleet
There's two Didacts, the Ur-Didact and the Iso-Didact. The one seen in Halo 4 is the Ur-Didact
keen brook
There was a forerunner before that was imprinted with the Didacts personality
The Ur is the original
The crazy one that was in Halo 4, he was evil and all cause the flood did crazy stuff to him
feral perch
They also have names besides their titles of Ur-Didact and Iso-Didact
the Ur-Didact was named Shadow-of-Sundered-Star, and the Iso-Didact was named Bornstellar-Makes-Eternal-Lasting
keen brook
Yeah they had interesting names like that
turbid brook
huh
versed helm
Bornstellar was a lad
keen brook
Was a good dude
gilded mason
Halo 3 terminals, Forerunner Saga, and Promises to Keep I believe.
austere tiger
Just checked the fandom wikia.
There's a lot of lore
But since I follow mostly the games, I miss a lot of it
carmine sleet
Fandom wikia as in Halo Fanon? Because if so, that's not a great one to go to
gilded mason
Just checked the fandom wikia.
Not Halopedia?
versed helm
that's an understatement as well
austere tiger
Can be, maybe I mixed
gilded mason
Here's his page on Halopedia, for future reference:
https://www.halopedia.org/IsoDidact
dreamy tulip
So Iso is the Iso diadact OS a copy
versed helm
It's all to do with the Forerunner's process of growing
They undergo a series of mutations throughout their lives, each of which are brought on by a benefactor who serves as a template for the mutating Forerunner's next phase.
In this case, a Forerunner manipular - basically a Forerunner youth - underwent a mutation with the Didact as their benefactor
Which resulted in this Forerunner inheriting both physical traits and a sort of split identity, complete with the Didact's memories. Eventually as the mutating Forerunner grows into their new body and mind, they stabilize into a more coherent being and their personality sort of adjusts between their benefactor and who they once were, retaining the wisdom of their mentor.
All the context you need is in the book Cryptum
keen brook
In summation, that forerunner was indexed with the original didacts memories and basically his being
More or less
vague scroll
@austere tiger while Halo Alpha, the fandom wiki, I assume is the one you’re referring to is satisfactory for basic Halo lore - it’s out of date. Halopedia is the place to go because they’re a bit more on top of things and have more editors in general. And don’t check Halo Fanon, you’ll just get yourself confused, that place is just for Halo fan content as the name suggests.
olive saddle
make a new story
vague scroll
new story?
clever fable
There once was a man named Chief
Who had quite the serious beef
With an alien threat on a mission
And his mother, they were'a dissin'
First four bars of your new story WhiteClaw, have at it mate.
keen brook
With a heart full of hate before the bodies of the late made of people that had died after they took up arms and tried, all the soldiers that marched to the field that had the courage not to yield, they look in the eye of death and used their bodies as humanities shield. Selfless as the day that they started, going out into battle no longer kind hearted while they're backing vice admiral Cole so those aliens about to get outsmarted. On the ground we got chief and Johnson so the covenant is done for, the UNSC is going in and you know they'll settle the score
@clever fable
He was muted so
high marsh
Can somebody please elaborate me as to which UNSC vessel is... "Preferable"... between the Stalwart-class light frigate (In Amber Clad) or the Charon-class light frigate? (Forward unto dawn) (for those that don't know which is which)😁
high marsh
for an unexpected Expedition i guess... like for example how the Pillar of Autumn found Installation 04 and was majorly out number by enemy forces, which of these two vessels would be preferable in a situation like this? i apologize if this isn't clear as i myself am having a real hard time explaining this 😅 sorry...
drowsy mesa
I don't know about you, guys, but I find pretty hipocrite of the community saying they hate "how 343 caters deep Halo lore into the games", but when it refers to Cortana's state, they use something from deep Halo lore as "the only possible solution to redeem muh waifu and return to be Chief's everlasting companion" 😕
gilded mason
Are the same people that complain about the former the same ones that want the latter?
drowsy mesa
mostly, yeah
stoic hamlet
Well if you look into the deep lore what Cortana and the created claim/want never happened until Halo 5.
Neither @high marsh they aren’t meant for expeditions, the Stalwart is a Light frigate primarily meant for ship to ship combat, the Charon is a ship primarily designed for planetary invasion.
But neither ship is meant to be on its own
high marsh
Okay thank you bro that actually helped a lot more then you know 👊 😁 . BTW another quick question, have other Stalwart-class light frigates ever used the same stealth ability that the Midsummer Night used? @stoic hamlet
stoic hamlet
Not to my knowledge no.
I mean, maybe some did in the lore but we don’t know of any
high marsh
Alright Thank you for your time bro take care & have a nice day 👊😁👍
stoic hamlet
You too
turbid brook
So is it wiser to use Fandom or Halopedia for lore?
gilded mason
Halopedia.
obsidian thistle
Plus I am a admin on Halopedia. 😉 You also go for the rad team there.
versed helm
The real question is how has a Gladius class survived so long against 2 stormcutters. In Halo Warfleet, the Defenses it shows a single Gladius facing off against 2 stormcutters. How has it lasted
versed helm
The Gladius probably got memed
@high marsh it depends, the Charon is more of a transport, the Stalwart combines the Paris class’s firepower and the Charon’s transport capabilities
high marsh
@versed helm Really? Well that helps my vote between the the 2 vessels even more, thanks bro 👊😁👍
dreamy tulip
What happened to Johnn forges daughter and Anders Fiance
carmine sleet
Rion Forge found Guilty Spark and he became her ship's AI
feral perch
Seriously? Huh. Is he not crazy anymore?
high marsh
WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Wait is this revealed in Halo: Renegade? That so awesome! Guiltys back my boy!!! 😂 😂 😂
obsidian thistle
He was alive since Halo Primordium. 😉
autumn urchin
is the zealot that escapes from visegrad relay the same that kills emile and kat
obsidian thistle
That has never been confirmed. Tis a headcanon to many, but sadly never has been confirmed.
high marsh
If i may share my observations on that subject, Emile-A239 died by a Zealot, Catherine-B320 was killed by a fieldmarshal if i'm correct. But i heavily believe that the Fieldmarshal that lead the attack on the mass driver (in the mission Pillar of Autumn) was the same one who killed Catherine-B320.
upper star
Didn't Kat get sniped by a jackal in a phantom?
high marsh
No it was a Sangheili Fieldmarshal, it's written in Halopedia under Catherine-B320 Biography. 🙂
feral plover
high marsh
I'm good Thank you bro 👊😁
hidden rune
does s27100 mean anything specific?
high marsh
Maybe... however i will reveal the "S" stand for "Snow" you may call me as such. 🙃
high marsh
If i may throw in a Theory that i have come up with. I Believe that our two newest fellow SPARTAN-II's, Callsigns NOLA & NV66, are Spartans Kirk-018 & René-081. I have no clean evidence for this, however i heavily believe that it would be a fulfilling comeback for what tragically happened to these Spartans. Then there is also the thought of them either being a part or are Remanents of Red Teams Splinter-groups during [The Fall of Reach]. What do you say? 🙂👍
carmine sleet
Callsigns NOLA and NV66? Where did you find those?
high marsh
Halopedia under the SPARTAN-II Page
feral perch
That sounds like it's dubious canon
stoic hamlet
Idk, that’s just where I recall them from
I’m not a fan of the names/callsigns either
But IIRC the lore surrounding them fits in pretty well
It’s just the callsigns that are completely out of whack
obsidian thistle
Oh someone snuck those back onto that page.
Regardless we dont know what Spartan class they are.
But they be canon.
Sorry 'bout that @high marsh
fair hazel
I'm very puzzled at halopedia's M6H article where it talks about buck's magnum
versed helm
Because we don't know for sure that Buck's magnum is an M6H?
Or because it's only very subtly different from the gunfighter magnum.
I mean M6H2 btw
fair hazel
It looks like am M6H2...
The body is more like the Whispered Truth
without the silencer, and with the weird scope thing
it has the semper vigilans writing on it..
versed helm
Well tbh there's no way to be 100% of anything regarding weapons these days.
If it isn't officially clarified by Waypoint or the Field Manual, that is.
So most weapon pages look a tad funky.
high marsh
@obsidian thistle Thank you for the Information Brother 👊😁 i was wondering if that was accurate or not but thank you again for the Heads-up 🙂👍
versed helm
@high marsh Stridents are superior tho
vague scroll
Stridents are also a different era though
carmine umbra
I would love to see a game on the mona lisa or something like that, a halo flood horror game.
Halo lore is so interesting.
radiant sphinx
Can’t tell you how many times that idea has come up, but I completely agree nonetheless
versed helm
Y'know, Halo lore is interesting.
I'm glad you agree, @carmine umbra
Legitimately some of the better military sci-fi/space opera out there if look past the odd failing or silliness.
obsidian thistle
Oh @fair hazel Bucks Magnum is a oddity. If Halo 5s cutscenes werent broken and weapons appeared correctly it would be a Whispered Truth. Instead we get what can only be described as "Bucks magnum".
wispy bough
What about that weird DMR hybrid that Fred has in some cutscenes?
stoic hamlet
DMR hybrid?
versed helm
Is it not just a DMR without anything on its rail?
abstract zealot
It’s a DMR with a shorter barrel. It also seems to shoot in bursts sometimes.
wispy bough
Yeah it's got a shorter barrel and just looks entirely different.
abstract zealot
It’s actually the same model of the normal DMR in Halo 5. The only difference is that it has the shorter barrel and has a 3 burst function.
The front of the gun is what makes it look off.
But I do think it would be interesting seeing different types of weapons like that.
versed helm
Don't DMRs have a canonical full-auto function?
Could just be that but pulse-fired by Fred himself.
Though if the damage done by the DMR can canonically be compared to the MA5, then firing it on full auto would be most unpleasant.
Working off the assumption that it actually typically fires a high-powered sniper version of the UNSCs 7.62x51 ammo.
abstract zealot
It does, but since it’s designed to be a marksman rifle, it is usually always used in semi-auto as that’s more effective. The gun itself has 3 firing options, above the grip, SAFE, FIRE, AUTO
versed helm
Well there's the explanation xD
Also, just a friendly reminder that inconsistencies with the MA5's magazine size and the size of 7.62 NATO ammunition could easily be rectified by retconning the UNSC's 7.62 round into being a totally separate more advanced straight-cased round.
Thus, drastically reducing how large the magazine would need to be.
No particular reason I said that then.
I just like to remind people of that. Spread the word.
Well to be exact, such a round would fit in the 32 and 36 round magazines.
The 54 and 60 round ones just need to be straight-up retconned as it is into something that sticks well out of the bottom of the grip.
That is all.
abstract zealot
Ha. You’re good. The AR, DMR and SAW are chambered in 7.62 so it does make sense that you’d say that for everyone.
I’m actually working on a gun in my non canon stories that’ll be chambered in 5.56 rounds.
versed helm
5.56 is pretty small fry by Halo's standards.
abstract zealot
Yeah.
abstract zealot
Most weapons I like in IRL are chambered in 5.56, plus it’s something unique and different in the Halo universe as no guns that we know of use it.
And right now I have it designed as a carbine. The goal of the weapon is meant to be a lightweight weapon for Spartan Headhunters to use while they’re on operations.
versed helm
Well you've already got the MA5K, MA2B and M7 fulfilling that niche. Not that there's anything wrong with adding to the pile.
Funnily enough, one of those weapons - the MA2B - is chambered in .390. Which is about 9.6mm.
Just to dab on the BR series.
Tfw you forget about the M20, feelsbadman
abstract zealot
Yeah. The reason I’m making a new one is to kind of go along with the theme of one of my characters who is a Spartan-IV Headhunter. The reason it fits the theme is because of the fact his family has been apart of the armed forces all the way back in the Interplanetary Wars. And he specifically works on a variety of projects with his mother who is apart of ONIs materials group.
And I purposely left it out as most people wouldn’t know what it is.
Wrong weapon. Thinking of something else lol.
versed helm
I meant I forgot about the M20 just to be clear. The Halo M20 SMG. Just so we're on the same page.
Poor wording on my part.
abstract zealot
Oh. Okay lol.
But yeah. I know it’s an odd choice for the 5.56, but I like doing stuff that’s a bit unique and new.
versed helm
Ay, fair do.
I mean, if the UNSC still uses 7.62x51 projectiles, clearly they're not averse to utilizing older designs where needed.
abstract zealot
Yep. That’s why I decided to go with it.
obsidian thistle
Yea the Halo 5 cutscenes randomly (well random like its random what cutscene this effects) remove the parts from guns that are often related to attachments. And sometimes load the wrong parts. The DMR Fred uses is stripped down in some cutscenes due to this because the barrel is weirdly counted as an attachment for some bizzare reason I can only assume was cut. @wispy bough
abstract zealot
Most likely. There probably was gonna be a variant of the DMR REQ system based off of Fred’s weapon in the campaign.
carmine sleet
I think one of my favourite appearances of this is on Reunion with Kelly's shotgun having a part floating above it, I believe in her official artwork, the mistake is there too
Just checked and the mistake is indeed in the artwork
Well, technically it's more a render than just artwork but still
abstract zealot
Yeah I noticed that awhile back. Completely forgot about that.
obsidian thistle
Or the barrel of the DMR was planned to have variants.
But the idea of that was scrapped.
However I do love the official barrel-less renders.
carmine sleet
You know, I kinda like it without the longer barrel
obsidian thistle
Kinda shows how much roles the weapons can be used in tbh. The DMR can essentially transform xD
Halo 5 just skims the surface with attachments.
quartz willow
Ni that thing looks disgusting
high marsh
@versed helm yeah i expected as much from it 😁
high marsh
To be honest i'd like a halo game where you play as the famous Spartan Group/Fireteam Omega. Not commanding their RTS units (I love HW2 i have you know), but literally playing as the SPARTAN-II Contingents Quick-Reaction force in First Person with an own "Human-Covenant war timeline" Campaign would be extremely Epic. 😁 and therefore we'll get to know who the other 3 SPARTAN-II's of Omega were. 😉 👍
carmine sleet
I wouldn't have described Omega as imfamous
high marsh
Sorry about that 😅 @carmine sleet
carmine sleet
That wasn't me asking you to edit what you said
high marsh
I know bro but thank you for letting me know. 🙂
abstract zealot
Hehe. In the non canon lore I make I actually made 2 of my SIIs apart of Omega Team. One of which is the squad leader.
Now I’m kind of hoping that there isn’t much information on them for awhile regarding more members as that’ll be a lot of re-writing I’ll have to do.
carmine sleet
That's why it's better not to tie them into a pre-existing team of Spartans, means less will need to be changed when new info comes out
high marsh
i too made a Spartan-II unit and i have been working on it's story for a very long time and made as lore friendly as possible... and in my eyes succeeded😁
abstract zealot
Well that’s the thing. I’m purposely doing it because I wanna become apart of Halos story design team and get the things I make apart of lore. Doing it like this makes it an easier transition. That’s also why I model my stuff similar to how it would look on Halopedia.
Plus I like having to adapt to new things in lore.
versed helm
i’m pretty sure Robert is Omegas leader
abstract zealot
Negative.
high marsh
Robert-025? Didn't Jerome-092 take lead during the Battle of Arcadia?
abstract zealot
Omega Teams leader is currently unknown. Which is why I made it that.
tall moat
Obviously spartan-1337
abstract zealot
Jerome did take a general command over them leading both teams, but he wasn’t ultimately their main squad leader, more as a coordinator.
high marsh
yeah i know i just wasn't sure if he lead Omega then or not 😅
abstract zealot
Yeah. He never was.
Back to the non canon SII stuff, I’ve actually been working a long time on my non canon lore to the point I have 5 members I’ve made apart of my ONI Spartan-II unit that is apart of Project: TYRFING. I’ve also chad come up with names of the remaining SIIs that we have yet to get names to.
I also plan to do the same for all 3 SIII companies.
And obviously adjust them accordingly to any new information that drops.
high marsh
TYRFING? forgive me my bluntness but what's that?
abstract zealot
It’s another type of Greek mythology weapon.
It’s suppose to be in line with how the other spartan projects are for their armor.
We already have MJOLNIR and GUNGNIR
And I thought having TYFRING would be a nice way to smoothly fit it in.
high marsh
It sounds good bro, i'd love to see a concept of the armor 😁 👍
abstract zealot
I have a description of it and idea, but I lack any bit of artistic skills outside building UNSC structures in forge. If you want I can PM you the description of it.
high marsh
If your up for it bro i don't really mind 🙂
abstract zealot
Alright.
versed helm
Id love a halo game where you take the role of a captain in the navy
I mean basically it would be who can land the first MAC round but
keen brook
I'd wanna see a fight between Ripa Moramee and Atriox
I think I spelled his name wrong but the Arbiter in Halo Wars
vague scroll
Pretty sure you got it right, it’s just Ripa ‘Moramee, the accent mark seems to be a consistent element to Sangheili naming schemes
abstract zealot
Yeah.
Also I think it would be interesting seeing a fight between the two, but I’d honestly see no reason for it.
high marsh
Indeed more like Atriox vs Thel Vadamee
abstract zealot
Agreed. Anyone apart of Swords of Sangheilios would make more sense. Examples would be Sangheili like Rtas ‘Vadum.
Also, it would be Thel ‘Vadam as the ee prefix as a Covenant thing for warriors @high marsh.
high marsh
I am familiar with this, i do mean in his time where as he was a Servant of the Covenant.🙂 @abstract zealot
keen brook
Around Ripas time, the covenant would
have been dealing with Atriox right?
Since the covvies were dealing with them both at the same time
abstract zealot
Not really.
keen brook
Isabel said during the war they were..
abstract zealot
Ripa died in the beginning of the war
Well. More middle
But he wasn’t able to see Atriox rebel as he died
keen brook
Well even if it wouldn't happen just hypothetically
high marsh
I will better my explaintion in the future @abstract zealot
abstract zealot
Hypothetically Atriox would win.
humble yacht
Ripa Moramee?
humble yacht
Ripa died way before Atriox broke off from the Covenant
abstract zealot
He has his swords but he’s cocky and gets over his head
That’s how forge won against him.
keen brook
He's only been cocky with forge
I dont think he'd be the same with a brute like Atriox
humble yacht
Gravity weapons tend to have the advantage over energy swords, anyway
abstract zealot
No. He’s been noted to be cocky before.
Though be it subtle if I remember correctly.
keen brook
I dunno I mean Atriox was a lot stronger than an elite.
But dual wielding swords would be a big problem for atriox in close quarters
abstract zealot
On top of that he also underestimated Forge, and due to Sangheili and Jiralhanae not getting along, Ripa May also underestimate Atriox.
high marsh
He'd be especially cocky against Atriox as many Sangheili see Jirahanae as nothing
keen brook
Ripa is cocky but he isn't blind.
abstract zealot
And since Atriox is smart tactically, he’d used that against them.
high marsh
Indeed
keen brook
He's cocky but he's still smart
abstract zealot
Well, he died to a knife that was on Forges left shoulder
He walked into that. Well actually picked it up.
high marsh
He died to his own blade brother
abstract zealot
Cr*p, I meant he got caught off guard
As that’s the only reason Forge was only able to get the sword.
high marsh
Correct
abstract zealot
Good old one two punch with the knife and the sword.
keen brook
Thing is we aren't talking about Ripa vs a human
We're talking about him vs a brute
Ripa would have a different mentality
high marsh
An intelligent brute
abstract zealot
Correct, but we’ve seen how he’s treated humans and we’re compare it
Especially since he saw humans the same way as brutes
keen brook
Ripa might underestimate his intelligence. Though he's still good in combat and he still knows he's fighting a brute.
abstract zealot
Weak and undisciplined.
True, but he also would underestimate Atriox.
Atriox is unique because he doesn’t act like a normal Jiralhanae.
abstract zealot
Yes.
high marsh
He observes and actually asks questions... unlike the deluded...
keen brook
I mean I don't think his underestimation would make a big enough difference against Atriox. In terms of combat.
And we also need to consider what Ripa would know about him before the fight
Pre fight terms
He might get a file and understand Atriox was part of the bloodstars
abstract zealot
You underestimate tactics. And not entirely
keen brook
I don't. It's just a theory.
abstract zealot
Atriox was primarily known because he survived numerous suicide missions against the humans.
And even hypothetically, Atriox would use the typical Jiralhanae nature to his advantage against Ripa.
keen brook
Well even so. Let's just say he did underestimate Atriox, Atriox would still have to deal with an elite that's a lot bigger than other elites which has been stated
And dual energy swords and on top of it, an Arbiter.
Who has just as much combat experience arguably.
So
Underestimate or not I think it's still a close fight and it comes down to the overall choreography and what they would do.
But I think Ripa would win
😛
It's fun thought
Thel would get murdered though honestly
abstract zealot
Actually I’d say Thel and Ripa would have the same odds by those standards
stoic hamlet
I agree with @keen brook
abstract zealot
Thel was born into a family with very high standards in combat and leadership.
This is why the house of Vadam is widely respected.
stoic hamlet
Thel hasn’t shown himself to be a massively proficient swordsman, a battle commander, sure, but not a proficient swordsman.
That isn’t to say he’s a slouch, but there are better duellists.
abstract zealot
There are, but he is more skilled than a lot of zealots.
There’s always going to be better dualist.
stoic hamlet
Ehh, I don’t recall that.
abstract zealot
But by that, Ripa hasn’t shown much proficiency in swordsman either. Yes we seem mostly with a sword, but we only see him use it not so often. (Referring to mostly games as more people can relate to that).
And I’m not saying he’s better than all zealots as there’s probably hundreds to thousands of them. But he is more skilled than a lot of them.
But nonetheless, Ripa has been known to get over his head even before fighting Forge. In fact that’s part of the reason he was imprisoned.
He has also been known to have a temper.
These two things Atriox could easily use to his advantage to gain the upper hand and win.
But I do see what you’re getting and it does make sense.
keen brook
I say it cause Thel isn't any better than one of the three Spartans Atriox beat
abstract zealot
To be fair, Atriox caught them off guard and purposely ambushed them
Again, it’s all about tactics and scenario.
gilded mason
Had Atriox ever done anything competently since then? Been a while since seeing the game, but didn't the Banished routinely lose after that?
abstract zealot
No, the banished actually held their own. That is why Isabel says that the Covenant never came close to beating them.
dreamy tulip
But a crew almost 30 years old woop their Bums
gilded mason
Half a crew, at that.
high marsh
"Chuckles" Even better 😏
abstract zealot
Yeah, but cryo-sleep is like going to bed for the night and waking up the next day.
They may be an old ship, and an old one at that, but like I’ve said it’s all about tactics and strategy.
dreamy tulip
Dosent change the fact that they had outdated gear
abstract zealot
And the Spirit of Fire has one of the better tacticians as their commander as well as their field officer (Jerome)
Just because you have the numbers and equipment, doesn’t mean you’ll win.
It increases the odds, but doesn’t guarantee it.
dreamy tulip
Yea just look at the covenant
high marsh
I mean... one Spartan and an AI took down a CSA Assault Carrier...
gilded mason
And that carrier did nothing except send out banshees.
gilded mason
Offensively during the specific battle.
dreamy tulip
How did the contract work with the ship master
high marsh
Caution is the word
gilded mason
How did the contract work with the ship master
Not well.
dreamy tulip
And Atriox
abstract zealot
It did nothing because Atriox only had a few ships at the time as the rest of his fleet were scattered elsewhere.
dreamy tulip
Oof
high marsh
Underesteemating humans again... (facepalm) when do covies ever learn...
abstract zealot
I wouldn’t say underestimating
dreamy tulip
He was a brute
abstract zealot
As Atriox knows humanities capabilities and respects them for it.
But I’d say it’s just his subordinates who underestimated them.
high marsh
Fair point
abstract zealot
Look at his right hand man, he died because of it.
dreamy tulip
Yea
stoic hamlet
The banished weren’t really relevant during the war
high marsh
Like Voridus doubting the rumors...
stoic hamlet
Isabel was exaggerating
abstract zealot
Exactly.
dreamy tulip
Yes
abstract zealot
And they were relevant, but since they’re a new introduction to the lore, they’re slowly being added
stoic hamlet
They were like ants, they never hit anything of actual value
gilded mason
They basically only did hit-and-run tactics and then zipped away.
dreamy tulip
Did they ever encounter atriox in the books
stoic hamlet
They didn’t openly defy the Covenant
gilded mason
Who's 'they' here?
abstract zealot
They stayed hidden up until they were able to.
dreamy tulip
Humanity
gilded mason
Oh.
stoic hamlet
Yes
abstract zealot
Though I will agree Isabel did over exaggerate a bit.
abstract zealot
Not a lot. You got to remember they’re a new faction.
We don’t know much about them yet
high marsh
Indeed
dreamy tulip
Him himself not
gilded mason
She way over-hyped them.
dreamy tulip
The crew
stoic hamlet
We know they didn’t actually openly defy the Covenant, and that humanity didn’t encounter them until post war
abstract zealot
Indeed. And when she referred to openly defy, it was regarding his execution.
dreamy tulip
If you were 5o put atriox and tartarus against each other who would win
abstract zealot
And again, 343 hasn’t yet put out more information of them openly defying them.
gilded mason
If you were 5o put atriox and tartarus against each other who would win
Tartarus.
stoic hamlet
It’s implied (retroactively) that they were what Xytan was fighting/hunting during the schism but the Prophets and the rest of the Covenant saw that as a waste and inglorious.
Because they didn’t openly defy them. They acted like rats and guerrillas
Not an actual army
abstract zealot
That’s cause they’re not an official type of army.
Well. Actually I take that back
They are but they aren’t as they have a lot of mercenary organizations with them.
But yes, you are correct about them being just simple raiders. I just went back and checked.
But I hope that it’s more expanded on and changed from simple raiders as that’s the only information we have on them.
versed helm
Atriox is basically a glorified space pirate
high marsh
Is it just me or do you peps also think that Spartan Hazel-A302 was part of Jun-A266 Headhunter unit? I believe such
versed helm
but i mean, Atriox would probably beat Rapa, He was able to defeat 3 spartan 2s by himself
radiant sphinx
He is still powerful though
versed helm
Hazel was always part of a 2 spartan team, i'm not sure if one was ever Jun
stoic hamlet
She could have been a LONEWOLF
versed helm
Idk if it could of been Jun though because she was mostly used for attacking enemy bases in close quarters
she wasn't a Lonewolf.
stoic hamlet
Where do we learn she operated alongside others?
IIRC all we know is she’s a headhunter and was often sent on target assassination ops
versed helm
She was usually apart of 2 spartan teams
abstract zealot
On Halopedia it’ll say “Always as part of a two-Spartan team, she conducted direct action operations against Covenant leaders on occupied planets and destroyed critical UNSC information that had fallen into enemy hands, all whilst outfitted with Mjolnir armor.”
So she never really was a LONEWOLF
stoic hamlet
That MJOLNIR armour doesn’t make sense
versed helm
It says it in Halo Lone wolf also
high marsh
Probably a MK IV, because Owen donned MKIV...
versed helm
not all spartan 3s have SPI...
stoic hamlet
But Headhunters wouldn’t have been deemed worth it enough to get MJOLNIR, we’ve seen them in action before, they don’t get MJOLNIR. IIRC it’s flat out stated in the short story they’re introduced in.
abstract zealot
No. Headhunters had were given different armies than josh basic SPI. Some though were given MJOLNIR
versed helm
It's from Halopedia
high marsh
Better prefomance...
abstract zealot
Any SIII that Kurt and Mendez felt were too important to be just “expendable” were given MJOLNIR armor.
stoic hamlet
Headhunters were expendable
abstract zealot
That also includes Headhunters.
high marsh
True
stoic hamlet
That was their point
abstract zealot
So were all SIIs
stoic hamlet
They wouldn’t get MJOLNIR unless pulled from those duties
abstract zealot
Headhunters were just ones who survived the longest
stoic hamlet
No. They’re separate form their mainline companies by sent on harder assignments where company strength wouldn’t make sense
abstract zealot
Yes. But they’re also recruited from people who have survived numerous suicide missions.
stoic hamlet
The short story the Headhunters are introduced in has them operating as Forward Recon for the rest of Beta
The missions were “specially assigned training missions”.
Not suicide missions
abstract zealot
“Only Spartan-IIIs who had survived two or more specially assigned training missions would be evaluated for induction into the Headhunters. Once an overall list of potential candidates was compiled, each soldier's personal files and mission reports were analyzed against a set series of parameters calculated by the top Office of Naval Intelligence specialists within the Beta-5 Division.”
stoic hamlet
Additionally Kurt didn’t seem the type to risk those kinds of losses l.
stoic hamlet
It goes against his entire character and the S-III program as a whole. He wouldn’t risk them in training ops
versed helm
kurt wouldn’t risk anyone if he didn’t have to
abstract zealot
But again, what ONI doesn’t care what Kurt wants.
stoic hamlet
But he was overall CO and “running the entire show”
He wouldn’t have authorized potentially lethal training missions
versed helm
spartan 3s are such a tragedy
abstract zealot
I know. I corrected myself and said you were correct.
But again, he did run the show on the training side of things. But ONI at the end of the day calls the shots.
stoic hamlet
Ackerson directly said Kurt would be overseeing everything and he would have final say on training.
Really, the “survive” thing is all I take issue with.
Just change it to “pass” and it’s fine
But “survive” doesn’t make any sense
abstract zealot
It does on how I worded it
I said suicide missions
That’s why I corrected myself entirely.
stoic hamlet
Not when taken as a whole with the rest of the program though
abstract zealot
I know.
stoic hamlet
We’re going in circles I think, heh.
versed helm
is Lucy still mute?
abstract zealot
But again, I’m not saying everything makes sense. And for all we know her having MJOLNIR armor was a decision by Kurt that we have no reason why.
high marsh
from where i'm standing... pretty much
stoic hamlet
No @versed helm
high marsh
No i think not
versed helm
think she still has PTSD?
abstract zealot
Most likely. But probably isn’t as bad
high marsh
no she recovered
stoic hamlet
I don’t think Kurt would have given only some Headhunters MJOLNIR and others just SPI.
That’s not like him
IIRC he was only able to give MJOLNIR to those he had directly reassigned out of Beta-5
abstract zealot
They didn’t just have SPI. Also Kurt can’t control the amount of MJOLNIR available.
stoic hamlet
But that’s what I’m asking, where is it said they didn’t just use SPI?
high marsh
Suits cost a much as a Destoryer...
abstract zealot
Overall though, a lot of this is probably an oversight on 343s part.
stoic hamlet
Because Headhunters is explicit that Roland and Jonah are using SPI
and that Headhunters don’t get MJOLNIR.
high marsh
upgraded SPI variants
stoic hamlet
Still SPI
abstract zealot
Their armor isn’t regular SPI as I stated before. It also evens says that they wear advanced versions of it.
high marsh
if may...
abstract zealot
I realized I worded myself wrongly. They used SPI, but not standard issue.
stoic hamlet
They were field testing upgrades, likely meant to be given to baseline SPI suits if they worked
abstract zealot
And it never says that they’re not aloud to wear MJOLNIR. I’m even reading it right now.
The most MJOLNIR is mentioned is regarding after the war
stoic hamlet
It doesn’t say it, true, but I can’t see ONI/UNSC wasting MJOLNIR on them during the war. Especially with the high casualty rates
abstract zealot
True, but ONI works in mysterious ways
stoic hamlet
After the war yeah, there’s even dedicated variants for Headhunters
But during the war I just can’t see it
abstract zealot
I can. Some Headhunters are really skilled. And there’s still A LOT we don’t know about them.
stoic hamlet
We know they were sent on missions too risky for mainline S-III’s, sent far behind enemy lines and often with next to no chance of extraction.
There’s no way ONI would make MJOLNIR for them.
abstract zealot
Also sorry if some of my wording doesn’t make sense. I’ve been up all night and I’m unable to sleep.
stoic hamlet
You’re fine 😃
abstract zealot
Yes. And there’s no way for them to kidnap children
high marsh
from what i discovered... those that Kurt & Mendez pulled out of the main contingent, would later be referred to as SIII Commandos... those are the only Spartan III's i have seen until now with MJOLNIR Armor variants. it might be Possible that Headhunters were first issued MJOLNIR sets when the MJOLNIR MK V [B] was manufactured and Released... 24.11.2551.
abstract zealot
Especially when the CINC who is a Hard*** disagrees with it.
stoic hamlet
?
I don’t see how kidnapping children had to do with MJOLNIR? They’re utterly unrelated
dreamy tulip
They wear the armor?
stoic hamlet
MJOLNIR is costly, IIRC it’s the most expensive thing of the entire Spartan Program
And ONI wouldn’t waste those funds on Headhunters
I just can’t accept that they would make basically one use suits
abstract zealot
You’re saying there’s no way for them to waste MJOLNIR armor on SIIIs. I’m saying there’s no way they’d kidnap children. This is me saying ONI will do things we don’t understand. That’s why they’re compared to the Illuminati.
stoic hamlet
You’re arguing a falsehood.
abstract zealot
And they never said her partner never wore it. For all we know they could be the only ones issued t
No I’m not. I’m comparing
There’s a difference
stoic hamlet
You misunderstand me, I think.
I’m not saying I don’t want them to have MJOLNIR, I’m saying, with the information expressly told to us, it makes no sense for them to be given MJOLNIR, and clashes with what we know.
high marsh
work in the shadows to serve the light... @dreamy tulip
dreamy tulip
Probably
stoic hamlet
You’re comparing the kidnappings as a way to say ONI does terrible things, but that’s not my argument.
stoic hamlet
My argument is that it fundamentally doesn’t make sense for ONI to give Headhunters MJOLNIR because of the insane costs and high fatality rate.
abstract zealot
I understood what you said. The reason I made the comparison is due to the fact that even though it clashes with what we know, ONI can still do it with out reason. Like I said, for all we know there’s only 2 that wore MJOLNIR.
That’s why I compared it to the kidnapping of the SIIs, because that goes against mores and what we know. Yet they still did it.
high marsh
i like how it started with me asking if people thought if Hazel-A302 was part of Jun-A266 headhunter unit and now this 😂 lol
stoic hamlet
But they’re different scenarios?
The kidnappings do make sense in-universe.
The MJOLNIR Headhunters do not
abstract zealot
Different scenarios with similarities. That’s the point I’m making.
stoic hamlet
I just don’t see the similarities myself
abstract zealot
Okay.
stoic hamlet
It doesn’t clash with established canon like the MJOLNIR does. In fact, it’s one of the cornerstones of the canon.
abstract zealot
I’m well aware. As I stated it was probably an oversight from 343i. But again, one singular BINARY team could’ve been issued with the armor.
ONI does stuff in certain ways, and I’m hoping 343i does decides to further go into detail about it.
dreamy tulip
Noble six actually survives in a cave and noble six is part of the universe again because its 343 and he was a great hero
abstract zealot
These are actually the types of conversations I love. Especially since these are they types of things I wanna help improve on for Halo.
high marsh
His file reads Missing In Action @dreamy tulip
dreamy tulip
I see this a lot but he is suppusivley in a cave lol
stoic hamlet
Nah dude he’s dead
abstract zealot
Yeah. His corpse is in the cave.
dreamy tulip
He better stay dead
high marsh
Halsey even says so...
abstract zealot
I think having SIX be dead is a good thing
boreal bane
Noble Six is dead, let's not start this debate again please
stoic hamlet
^^^^
abstract zealot
Shows the sacrifice they made
dreamy tulip
Ik people be saying hes alive
dreamy tulip
He is dead
stoic hamlet
He can’t have survived that
dreamy tulip
Yea couldn't have
abstract zealot
And honors and commends both him/her as well the rest of NOBLE team.
high marsh
"your body... your armor... all burned and turned to glass... everything..." Halsey in the epilogue
dreamy tulip
If Six did survive the attack he would've did of radiation or starvation
So he is dead
abstract zealot
Well it would’ve taken a long time to die of starvation.
high marsh
true
dreamy tulip
He would've died of dehydration too
abstract zealot
And depending on where and what was glassed around him and the distance it was at would depend on if he died of radiation.
versed helm
But, as they say, Spartans never die, for all you know it could be true and not just a myth.
abstract zealot
That still would’ve taken awhile.
All those body functions are augmented to allow a person to not need them as much.
dreamy tulip
And the covenant were trying to get the titanium on Reach for repairs so he would've died maybe from them too
abstract zealot
Honestly depends
high marsh
Spartans never die Jorge... their just missing in action... (epic reach soundtrack)
versed helm
I agree with ExPo, Spartans were augmented to be the ultimate super soldier (Originally to crush human rebellion), they would probably be augmented to withstand starvation and even radiation probably.
dreamy tulip
Yea he did
abstract zealot
And I think it should stay that way.
dreamy tulip
Why did Emile and the Elites still have their shield
high marsh
end of that topic move on before someone else says he dead 😂
versed helm
Me has no idea.
stoic hamlet
What do you mean @dreamy tulip
versed helm
I have a theory.
dreamy tulip
In the mission when You man the mac in Reach you can shoot the elites and Emile
And they still have their shields active
versed helm
I know this is like the 26th century and all that but, I wonder if some Spartans died in the cryo-tubes.
stoic hamlet
Unlikely
high marsh
Mission: Pillar of Autumn
versed helm
jUsT a ThEoRy.
dreamy tulip
Yea @high marsh
stoic hamlet
There’s no mention of that
abstract zealot
They can die in cry-stasis, but it hasn’t been mentioned or even hinted at that one has.
versed helm
No mention, but still, the Halo lore and universe is really mysterious, for all we know there might have been another species in the Covenant that wasn't talked about and just stalked UNSC outposts for the Covenant.
abstract zealot
There are
dreamy tulip
They can survive for a while look athe halo wars crew their cryo tibes were older
versed helm
ExPo, really?
high marsh
possiblity... but not a certainty @versed helm
stoic hamlet
It’s mysterious yes but based off the numbers of replies Spartans it didn’t happen
abstract zealot
There actually a lot we don’t know about. We just only see the ones that are combat capable.
stoic hamlet
*deployed
dreamy tulip
Gtg
versed helm
Oof.
Spartan Jean, please don't ping me, I get enough pings and Youtube notifs in my inbox on Gmail as it is.
abstract zealot
Let me rephrase that. We know of a few other species that are in the Covenant as non combat roles as well as some combat roles that we’ve never seen too much. But we do know from the Forerunners that there are plenty of other sentient species in the galaxy.
versed helm
Hm, so if we only see the ones combat capable, would they not be in the council, if they weren't combat capable they would either be in hanger bays repairing and engineering new things or in the council, if there were more, we would have probably seen that.
What species?
More bugs like the Drones I hope, I love the Drones.
abstract zealot
No. Only Sangheili and and San’Shyuum were apart of the council.
And let me look up the other known species
versed helm
Hm, I guess.
abstract zealot
Sorry I’m a slow typer when I’m tired.
abstract zealot
One species that doesn’t have an official name is called the “Covenant Fringe”
We actually see one in Nightfall
It’s that weird species that Locke and his team interrogate.
versed helm
Any Covenant fans here better call me a God because my Apex Legends name is TheForerunner33.
high marsh
the Yohnet?
abstract zealot
Yes, the Covenant was founder on the idea that the Forerunners were some sorts of gods and that the Halo rings were a way of great salvation.
fair hazel
No role play and
versed helm
By the way, I was looking at stuff about Covenant species and there is one I haven't heard of before.
abstract zealot
Yeah I JUST realized my mistake and was correcting it.
fair hazel
The yohnet are one species part of the fringe
abstract zealot
Yes. That’s what I was referring to and was trying to correct.
But I believe sometime before the Human-Covenant war or shortly after it started, Regret and Mercy (I believe it was them) had found out that they misread the scribes of what started the Great Journey and that the humans were the only ones able to fully access it.
versed helm
Engineers (Huragok/Hunagok), they are apparently the entire backbone of the Covenant economy.
abstract zealot
And since this knowledge would’ve made the Covenant crumble, they refrained from telling anyone and considered the humans as hostiles and were a type of heresy against the great journey and so they were to be cleansed.
abstract zealot
Yes.
versed helm
Also, I just learned something.
high marsh
Welcome back
versed helm
The Covenant worship the Forerunners.
I didn't know this.
And I just learned about the Huragok.
versed helm
I love how they worship the Forerunners as Gods but Master Chief just comes in like "Gods, only God here is me bucko.".
Then the Master Chief just yeets the leader off the side with a grenade.
versed helm
Halo 4.
high marsh
Ur-Didact
versed helm
The end of Halo 4, don't remember him?
I swear, if I just spoiled an ending I'm so done.
Didact, that's it.
abstract zealot
I didn’t realize you were talking about the Didact
versed helm
Sorry, yeah, Didact.
abstract zealot
And no. I’ve played every Halo game so don’t worry about spoilers.
versed helm
I gotta go, me n' the boys are having an Apex Legends session.
See y'all tommorow.
Bye bye.
abstract zealot
See yeah.
high marsh
Take Care
"Silence fills the empty grave, now that I have gone. But my mind is not at rest, for questions linger on. I will ask, and you will answer."
abstract zealot
Haha.
This is the most active I’ve seen this specific chat be.
I usually see it dead.
Which sucks because this my favorite part of every server that has it.
high marsh
Same 😂
obsidian thistle
Lore never sleeps, just its more active in places dedicated to it I have to admit.
abstract zealot
Yeah. When I’m able to look at the chat it’s never active.
But thankfully Halopedia is always active.
I’m usually on there like everyday.
high marsh
Me too trying to learn as much as i can before i leave the house
abstract zealot
Yeah. What’s great is since I have some memory loss, sometimes I just re learn the same thing again and again.
But the things like Spartans and ONI are like imprinted in my brain lol
fair hazel
I talk lore on this server a lot
high marsh
I try and Specialize myself with the Spartans program & the Human-Covenant war Era... they are the most interesting ones in my opinion...
abstract zealot
Yeah, I’m like never available when that happens.
Yeah they are. I also like all the forerunner stuff.
Ultimately though, I wish there was a lot more stuff in all categories of the universe.
Obviously there’s a lot. But being the type of person I am, I want more.
Even though I’m unable to get all the books, I still like doing as much research as I’m able to on them regarding the what new things they bring to the table.
fair hazel
I like everything
abstract zealot
Same.
obsidian thistle
I love the obscure stuff. Good thing also as most folks over look that stuff and I admin the wiki 😉
keen brook
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
I wonder
If Star Wars fought the Flood.
Like Star Wars was actually in the universe of Halo and the flood spread out and got to the SW galaxy
During the height of the empire
That would be cool
abstract zealot
Yeah.
keen brook
Flood would probably win though
obsidian thistle
Well here is a interesting factoid from the Halo Wars Prima Guide.
Did you know the Covies found Etran Harborage a few years prior to 2531. Which means that they held off the Flood for a couple years there.
So knowing that. Assuming the Empire caught the Flood early enough they could hinder it long enough.
obsidian thistle
*But even then it is more "hindering" than stopping the Flood.
As a Proto Gravemind was still formed.
abstract zealot
Yeah.
fair hazel
Wonder if they used any temple vehicles
abstract zealot
On top of that if needed, the empire CAN make droids if they needed to come to that.
fair hazel
They prefer not doing that
obsidian thistle
That said Droid may not be "that" effective.
abstract zealot
Well. The material that commando droids and magma droids are very resilient. Plus they are programmed differently.
keen brook
I think it'd depend a lot on the circumstances of the floods invasion
Let's just say the flood invaded at the height of their power within the forerunner war.
Well no, not with forerunner tech..
Like just some space tech and the means to get to the SW galaxy
They could infect like a few planets and start moving on the empire and I think droids wouldn't work since they could be infected too
The best chance the empire would have is maybe palpatine and the force, kinda being like their mendicant bias to defend the flood, using it against the floods tactics
abstract zealot
I don’t think the force would work on mendicant bias
keen brook
I mean
The force is like the empires version of MB
Their greatest tool against the flood, I mean Palpatine could use it.
I think the flood would end up winning, I mean I don't think the empire could do any better than the Forerunners and Ancient Humanity :/
Even if the empire had craaaazy numbers.
abstract zealot
Well. If the force doesn’t work too well on droids, I don’t think it would work all too well on an AI.
abstract zealot
Yeah that could work, but the force isn’t that simple.
Though, I’m not as knowledgeable in star wars as I only care about clones and grey Jedis.
keen brook
I think it could be used, though not as simple as said
fair hazel
Too many people see the force as this power without limits when it isn’t.
Sentinels would be more effective than droids no? They float, their weapons are designed to burn through.
carmine sleet
Indeed. Battle Droids would easily be overran due to their lack of speed
fair hazel
I remember that scene where the librarian sentinels help crimson
carmine sleet
Aye, that was on the map Vortex, right?
fair hazel
Yes
carmine sleet
Good to know I remember Spartan Ops better than I thought
fair hazel
You activate turrets and a swarm of sentinels come to the rescue. Those sentinels had awesome sound
carmine sleet
Ok, the sound I don't remember
fair hazel
You kinda see that the prométhéans were more designed as a flood equivalent fighting unit
carmine sleet
Ah, I know what you mean now
abstract zealot
Well, Commando droids agility and speed is actually fare superior than regular B1 or even B2 battle droids.
abstract zealot
Well, what standards of material are going off of? Would the commands be made out of stuff in the Halo Universe, or stuff in the Star Wars universe?
fair hazel
They’re from Star Wars so of course from the Star Wars universe..
fair hazel
checking out the sentinels so loaded up spartan osp
versed helm
Just got Halo Mythos today
high marsh
Indeed enjoy some grand Intel on halos history 🙂
dreamy tulip
Are the energy swords in halo wars the same model as in halo 1-3
versed helm
Um
I should check this
@dreamy tulip Halo wars or HW 2
Seems like it
Just the colors
dreamy tulip
Halo wars 1
dreamy tulip
Is the Quad launcher lore?
carmine sleet
I wonder if they mean the mounted rocket pods from Halo 3?
obsidian thistle
@quartz willow
quartz willow
@obsidian thistle yea the mounted one from halo 3 sorry I had a SOL so I was unable to respond
obsidian thistle
Yea that be canon
vivid dust
Why wouldn't it be though
obsidian thistle
In general. Canon unless stated otherwise
quartz willow
Alright because we havent seen it in other games that was why I asked
Also I saw this one video on YouTube I'll have to link it but I wanna know if this was made by bungie
Here it is
high marsh
Zero-Two-Seven reporting for duty. How is the Situation?🙂
vague scroll
@quartz willow hard to say since the uploader doesn’t specify what Waypoint video it’s from, though it features part of a Halo 2 cutscene in the first few frames.
quartz willow
Yea
versed helm
would you say Spartan-IIIs are more Durable than Spartan-IIs?
burnt juniper
uhhhhhh
hard to say
i guess noble team can prove to be an example for that
but then again
my glorious master chief is a spartan-2
versed helm
In New Blood, Musa says to Alpha Nine "He's a Spartan 3, Built to last"
speaking about Jun
modest marsh
We don’t have a lot of hard data of how the respective classes tend to skew outside of their armor
It’s mostly assumed the IIs and IIIs are more or less equivalent to one another, granted they tend to be smaller which would in it of itself suggest a slight advantage to the IIs
Though it’s hard to say what a few kilos/cm does for a Spartan compared to normal humans
Chief for example has 24.5kg on Emile
He would be inarguably tougher and stronger than he is as a result
versed helm
Why did Musa say 3s we’re “built to last” then?
modest marsh
I don’t think that’s necessarily a distinction from IIs
We already know they should be physiologically superior to the IVs who likely would not have recovered as well as Jun did
But also surviving vacuum exposure is different from not having your bones broken by getting hit by a car
versed helm
that’s true, maybe he was just saying compared to IVs
modest marsh
Well also
It’s entirely possible that’s a “feature” first implemented in IIIs
We don’t really have a historical basis for IIs being able to survive extended vacuum exposure, it would be an assumption based on the fact the later two classes do
versed helm
Is there any IV that could possibly beat a II from the remaining Spartan IIs?
modest marsh
Define beat
Like in hand to hand combat?
This is a tough question to answer because I think we still lack a good amount of data
But my belief is that no, the physiological superiority and combat skill gap is far too big
versed helm
I don't think H5s Combat scene of Locke vs Chief was accurate at all
vivid dust
no kidding
modest marsh
“Accuracy” is a fickle thing when you’re dealing with dramatic narrative beats
The atriox vs Red Team scene is also brought up a lot around here
vivid dust
I'm more fine with this one
modest marsh
I think 343 would be hard pressed to depict what I consider to be an accurate portrayal of what Spartans should look like in combat
At the very least, however, I wish that they’d remained consistent with their own material
versed helm
I mean, in HW2, we see (Jerome mostly) Still super Agile, and jumpy, as in H5, they just kinda walk
modest marsh
Halo 5’s marketing and opening cutscene show a very different version of the characters than what we get later on in the game
versed helm
Also, aren't Red team technically around 19 years old in HW2 due to Cryo sleep?
physically
modest marsh
21 I think
versed helm
more or less, but you get what i'm asking
they really don't know anything about what's happening, do they?
What are Tom and Lucy up to nowadays?
high marsh
Trapped in slipspace...
From what i heard, Shield World 006 Sarcophagus aka ONYX is trapped in a slipstream State of sorts... i haven't read Legacy of Onyx yet but that is what i have heard...
stoic hamlet
Ooh, are we discussing the different Spartan classes?!
Awww, seems I missed the discussion D:
last anchor
I think so
quartz willow
Oof
modest marsh
@stoic hamlet I’m happy to take it up with you
To reiterate, I think we lack a lot of conclusive information, and the narrative bias for IIs in general give them somewhat of an edge in terms of raw data
stoic hamlet
I would agree
Regarding Musa’s comment though, it’s possible the author (I forget who wrote New Blood) incorrectly assumed the Gammas augments were given to all the S-III’s, as, IMO, I’d say out of all the generations those 330 Spartans were undoubtedly “built to last”, far in excess of their Spartan II predecessors, which has been demonstrated a few times now.
It could also be referring to the augments the S-IV’s have needing check ups, whereas the S-III’s are “fire and forget” in terms of augmentation.
I’m just hypothesizing here though.
modest marsh
It’s such a nothing statement that I think it’s better to just not overthink it
He may have simply implied Jun was well trained and thus conditioned for vacuum exposure to the extent he was fine afterwards
carmine sleet
I think it could just be simply referring to the fact that S-IIIs are better than normal humans in general
stoic hamlet
It’s possible, but Musa directly calls to the fact he’s a Spartan III. He could have just said “Spartan”, but he specified.
modest marsh
Redundant for a room full of Spartans, yeah
stoic hamlet
I do think the theory/hypothesis that enhanced ability to survive in a vacuum was first “trialed” with III’s is plausible
Considering all the other stuff they tested during the war, augments seems likely as well
modest marsh
Well you have to wonder
What other problems would the IIIs encounter without the benefit of MJOLNIR
It would follow stuff like increased survivability in hostile environments would be a priority
stoic hamlet
A lot, I’d argue.
Actually, yeah, them trialing the vacuum stuff makes a lot of sense if we think about how SPI Mark I (for some reason) wasn’t fully sealed, so Kurt green lighting the (presumably) experimental augmentation makes sense.
Yeah
It’s possible the III’s literally are “built to last” in that sense then.
You may! We don’t disqualify people from joining discussions here 😃
We’re very welcoming
With great interest? 😛
modest marsh
Well do you have any of your own curiosities?
stoic hamlet
^^
modest marsh
I’m glad 343 went to through the effort of really laying out what goes into making the IVs but there’s still so much we don’t know about the IIs and IIIs
stoic hamlet
There’s (possibly) 329 Spartan III still alive
You’re forgetting Gamma
Alpha, Beta, and Gamma
Np
last anchor
And we know sections of alpha and beta were pulled off to do other stuff
Owen, Hazel, the guy from Fractures, all of Noble
stoic hamlet
As far as I can tell, the count is:
323 Gammas
3 Betas
4(?) Alphas
last anchor
So theoretically theres other Spartan-IIIs floating around out there ready to be utilized as soon as the lore needs them
Those are the confirmed survivors
stoic hamlet
Alive as of 2553
last anchor
We dont actually know how many were removed
stoic hamlet
It’s plausible to me anyways, that Alpha and Beta actually augmented 320 or 350 of their trainees, to account for the numbers.
carmine sleet
Not off topic unless you start talking about things other than Halo
modest marsh
It’s fine but you should know a lot of us lore savants know this stuff quite well
stoic hamlet
Yep
carmine sleet
Thanks
stoic hamlet
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carmine sleet
Now that, I doubt
gilded mason
Actually, it was my dog.
high marsh
😐
carmine sleet
No because that's quite outlandish
gilded mason
Why would that make people believe her?
carmine sleet
Being good at Halo doesn't translate to making it
stoic hamlet
^^^
last anchor
Im in a YouTube vid from ECCC talking to Frankie and the crew at 343 about Reach before it came out, doesnt mean Im with them.
While I don't DISSBELIEVE you, I have also run into a lot of people who have lied through their teeth about working for 343 because they think it gives them cred.
warm wigeon
just tell us her name it's that simple
no its not
but still it is to prove your point
remote spruce
Remember that professor who thought she helped make Cortana?
modest marsh
This is what I’d consider off topic discussion
versed helm
no.
stoic hamlet
well, we know what happens, so, yeah, no, I don't wonder
versed helm
the suit handles that
versed helm
because it's not something you should need to
stoic shale
True.
versed helm
unless something breaks (which is highly unlikely with MJOLNIR), there's no need to think about it
stoic shale
si
abstract zealot
That would be the 5th person I’ve met saying one of their relatives made Halo or worked for Halo.
Either way.
abstract zealot
Nothing too much. I mostly recently joined in.
high marsh
yeah i saw, you doin good bro?
abstract zealot
Yeah thank you for asking. How about you?
high marsh
Not much... was writing on my fiction for a bit and doing some fitness but otherwise i'm doing just fine 🙂
abstract zealot
That’s nice.
I’m really interested on how the new book Halo: Oblivion will turn out and what all it’ll entail.
I really enjoyed the Halo: Silent Storm.
high marsh
I haven't read Silent storm yet but i know what it's about...
abstract zealot
Short story without spoilers. It involves Chief (obviously since it’s a Master Chief Story) and some of the Spartan-IIs during the first few months or so of the Human-Covenant war and they’re pretty much learning who their enemy is and what their weaknesses are.
There’s way more to it. But I don’t wanna give off any of the major plot points.
versed helm
Silent storm is outside of spoiler exclusion
Hence why you can discuss it here currently
abstract zealot
I know. I still don’t like spoiling it to the people who say they haven’t seen it.
high marsh
I have researched it, i know many famous Character reappear in it and that a specific person earns something very essential
abstract zealot
Yep.
I don’t remember much from it so I’m probably gonna go back and read it again.
obsidian thistle
So anyone wanna see something I just uncovered regarding lore that hasnt been sourced till now? 😃
versed helm
yes