Not only that, the Didact - the sole entity controlling the ship - was also slipspaced.
#lore-and-universe
versed helm
modest marsh
Chimera was insinuating a medium level nuke could destroy any Forerunner vessel
humble yacht
I was insinuating that a Keyship would be as vulnerable to a nuke as Mantle's Approach
versed helm
Which is to say it'd be vulnerable to getting a chunk - possibly an important chunk - blown out of it, right?
humble yacht
All I remember is that post detonation, while Chief was in the hardlight bubble, there was pieces of the ship falling all around him. That made it seem like it was major, major damage
versed helm
it could only be damage to part of it though, since it didnt seem like there was enough to be the entire ship
even a HAVOK wouldnt be able to eviscerate the entirety of mantle's approach
humble yacht
Unless it set off a chain reaction that just blew up the rest of the ship
versed helm
iirc forerunner tech is pretty non-volatile
meager torrent
I wonder how many baby turtle eggs Chief ran over in that beach area in halo 2
That would officially make Chief a eco-terrorist
carmine sleet
I don't see why that's something you need to know
meager torrent
you usually never see animals in the halo games
carmine sleet
Also, considering how the beach he drove along was the shoreline of a river, I doubt that there were many turtles
obsidian thistle
Note however that we see a lotta birds in Reach.
meager torrent
can you interact with them tho
obsidian thistle
Yes you can shoot em.
meager torrent
Noice
obsidian thistle
versed helm
you can shoot the rats in halo 3, and the bugs in the covenant ship in halo CE
meager torrent
But it makes you wonder about other species of animals in Halo
obsidian thistle
There be rats in Reach also.
versed helm
yep
meager torrent
Nice
versed helm
i wonder if we'll ever get a new missing link
meager torrent
I never noticed that
obsidian thistle
I cant wait to get high rez images of the birds in Reach. xD
CIA Reach nature photographer.
Talking birds however. One of my fav birds in the Halo series is this bird. That was killed off to our knowledge in a shield world. https://www.halopedia.org/Shield_World_0459_bird
versed helm
ok, how long did it take that person to get a good shot of that
that's some dedication
fair hazel
The nuke detonated right in front of the composer.
That goes yikes. Big boom
And Cortana teleported john out. Then put him in a protective hard light thingy.
inland vessel
Since Hardlight in Halo is basically 'Programable Matter' everything that happened with the Didact is possible
obsidian thistle
That was moi 😉 @versed helm
versed helm
but ofc. i knew that before asking. i was just waiting for you to tell me it was you and then how long it took
😹
obsidian thistle
Oh it was luck.
Never expected to even see it.
But there it was.
1 snap later. And Halopedia had a page.
versed helm
i wonder, is there enough extra media for a second volume of the halo encyclopedia?
like, specifically titled "volume 2" of the same title
i feel like there is and we're missing an opportunity here
obsidian thistle
I'd rather a new Encyclopedia be made that wasn't copying and pasting from 2008/2009 Halopedia xD One to replace the old version.
versed helm
just give me this massive tome
obsidian thistle
Well Mythos is pretty good.
You "could" also roam Halopedia for a few hours a day also 😉
obsidian thistle
As said Mythos is pretty good for that.
versed helm
isnt mythos only in paperback?
versed helm
oh, wait, i was thinking of the spartan field manual
meager torrent
Oof
I wonder if Master Chief ever becomes hormonal and needs to release
And how if so
gilded mason
Why are you asking this.
meager torrent
I mean during augmentation they were probably given drugs to prevent such things
Actually nope never mind they probably did
Answered my own question oof
This does raise the question tho
How do Spartans get out of their undersuits
🤔
versed helm
the same way they got in, but in reverse
keen brook
When Cortana uses the domain she goes to halopedia
lol
Also
How the actual
Heck
Did Cortana get John off
I don't get it
Never have
gilded mason
What
keen brook
The nuke went off
gilded mason
Oh
versed helm
hardlight (halo 4 ending @gilded mason )
versed helm
hardlight can function like shields
you can still interact with things if it's surrounds you the same way shields do
keen brook
And it went off as soon as john hit the thing
versed helm
worth noting havoks have a slight time delay
it's not 'instant' as soon as you hit the trigger
it's like 2-5 seconds or something like that?
i think that's what was standard for nuclear armaments
the fade to white was simply for dramatic, cinematic effect
vivid dust
We do hear the sound of an explosion though
so the first time I played the Campaign I legit thought Chief was dead and the following cutscene was him hallucinating or something, which makes no sense
versed helm
you could probably hear that explosion from infinity, not saying much tbh.
once the shockwave hit
the timings and such were a bit of directorial liberty per se
terse estuary
i like to think that halo 4 and 5 is just a dream
halo 3 was really the end of halo to me
he's just dreaming in his cryo sleep
versed helm
@keen brook She probably drew him through a slipspace portal
Basically at the moment of detonation
And then locked him away in a hardlight safe
@terse estuary 
Woah, very original. Why are you even here, then?
If everything after Halo 3 is so pointless or bad to you.
terse estuary
no
versed helm
This is not the place where you ingratiate yourself by sharing those opinions.
terse estuary
i like it, its just different
versed helm
Yeah, and 2019 is different to 2009. That's how time works.
versed helm
Well you don't have to blather on with really poorly thought-out statements.
But welcome, anyway.
terse estuary
i guess i don't belong here
versed helm
I'm sorry you feel that way.
Perhaps you'd like to try and explain what exactly you were getting at in clearer terms before storming off?
So we can have a conversation. Like what we do here.
🙄
keen brook
I think what he means is he doesn't consider the 4th and 5th game to count, like Halo 3 is where it should've it ended
In the story
Oh he left
You bullied him
I don
versed helm
He bullied himself, more like. Some people love to be victims.
keen brook
't blame him though
versed helm
But I got what he was trying to say.
versed helm
I consider 4's only real downside to be its multiplayer.
It's not a cosmic leap above 3 or Reach, but it's got a more mature story which I enjoyed.
I don't think 5 needs to be discussed, but I do think some of its merits are under-appreciated.
keen brook
Yeah. There was still emotion in Halo 4, not to the same degree that Halo 3 had
But it was more than 5
which had a story more dry than a cardboard box
😛
But yeah. Halo 4 I liked
I know some people think the Cortana and Chief thing was forced and not the same relationship they had but I think it's different. At a time they start to realize they might lose someone that's grown close to them, I mean how else would they react
versed helm
But y'know, the other aspect is that this is a discussion that has been repeatedly occurring since like 2012
And I've heard people say "Oh, I don't see 4 and 5 as real, they're just dreams" so often that I do find it quite annoying.
It's a very poor conceptualization and is totally unsupported. If I were to express that opinion, I would feel as if I were belittling my own intelligence.
keen brook
I think a better way to put it is like seeing them as extras to the story
Like they don't see it as really canon
I guess
If you feel me, I'm not saying I feel that way. I guess they don't recognize it as halo
I see what you mean though
I wonder how Bungie would've done Halo 5
That's a fun thought to think
versed helm
I doubt they'd have done things a whole lot differently - Destiny as a series represents the epitome of what Halo 5 began to drift towards.
Though that may be more a fault of Activision.
Needless to say, we're thoroughly off-topic at this point though.
keen brook
If bungie was left to their own thing
It would've been better.
In Halo 5 though. I have no idea what bungies plan was
For that.
versed helm
I doubt they had any.
feral perch
What if the Gravemind, whom I personally like to refer to as Jeff as of this moment, had feasted upon the Chief's bones?
carmine sleet
Halo 4 would've been a very different game
keen brook
Humanity would have an issue.
And if the mind got to that point
He would probably be all in Earth
And the Galaxy would be screwed.
versed helm
Jeff would've gotten a very tasty snack
versed helm
feral perch
Aye
warm wigeon
he is a Mickey
upper star
Can ships that have plasma weaponry, EMP a next ship in a similar manner the plasma pistol does to land vehicles?
A way to seize a ship with minimal damage. Great for a story I guess
strong sage
Is there really a reason why unsc aircraft wreckages are still intact in one piece despite crashing or getting shot down from high velocity speed etc for example the down pelican in halo 2 mission and some multiplayer maps and along with longsword in halo 3 mission, i mean like are those for scenery purpose or it is a sign that unsc aircraft have strong structures or that durable? ^^
obsidian thistle
Or the pilots are good enough to make the crash safer
strong sage
Or yes could be that also fam xD
So its safe to assume that all unsc pilots are extremely skilled that they managed to get their bird intact yeah? Haha
Same goes for the swabbies lol
versed helm
and most are titanium :3
upper star
@versed helm are they?
versed helm
It's what most of all UNSC armor is made of, form Marine armor to The Infinity
keen brook
Ok it's official
We call the Gravemind Jeff here
Jeff couldn't eat John
John would just drop like 4 grenades in him
stoic shale
consume
fair hazel
No...
viral orbit
I bet halo 5 would be better if Rookie was still alive and in it
versed helm
he wouldnt have been in it even if he was alive
radiant sphinx
Yep, a game to do nothing with rookie would be better with him in it..
umbral junco
Did the ancient Forerunners ever have any competition other than humanity?
Any other species that weren’t quite as advanced but similarly?
umbral junco
I knew that too. Any others that don’t really show up in the games?
ashen wharf
Don’t know @umbral junco
keen brook
Yes...
In reply to Ericky
And
Yeah it's not really said.
I can't think of any off the top of my head, though I feel like there would be more.
fair hazel
I said no to the jeff thing
quartz willow
Rip
keen brook
Oh no
We're totally calling him Jeff
It's official.
Jeff the terror of the Galaxy
Now that the game is going on PC
We will gather a ton of evil
Terrible
PC gamers
In this Xbox haven
Jk they're nice
get out you dirty heathens
feral perch
Jeff probably had really foul breath
feral perch
Jeff
viral orbit
Jeff for president
fair hazel
Didact: "You're not angry at me?"
Librarian: "We had this discussion a century ago."
Didact: "Ah, so you are angry at me."
Librarian: "In the chambers, yes; but not now. You'll depart for Requiem soon?"
I like this conversation
cerulean sand
Lol yea it's very "human"
warm wigeon
@keen brook no he is Mickey
keen brook
Shh
warm wigeon
Mickey
keen brook
Jeff
warm wigeon
Mickey
keen brook
And I don't think the mind would have one
warm wigeon
Mickey i win
keen brook
If it did as a precursor in would be that
obsidian thistle
@thin patrol so what do you consider important lore wise? Helps me answer your question you asked. :)
obsidian thistle
Cause a lot is what some would consider "nice" lore :) But not vital
warm wigeon
@keen brook you can name the next one
thin patrol
I just realized that little lore and findings are just as important and nice as big ones
obsidian thistle
Others are slightly more important and fill gaps the games leave
thin patrol
yes, that is what I'm talking about, but then there is that like extra information about halo
like the skirmishers
obsidian thistle
Ah the Skirmishers. They be still around
obsidian thistle
Yes. Nice guy. Not whom I'd go to for lore however.
thin patrol
Well is it because he's not too big in lore
Becuase that's what I find
to be true
He doesn't upload Halo content anymore
just fortnite
viral orbit
@MasterChiefSpartan117 how about we call him Mickey Jeff the 1st
stoic hamlet
His name is Jeff! Only Jeff!
only Jeff
stoic hamlet
yus
chilly oxide
so, in the fall of reach, Dr. Halsey says that young john has something that the other kids dont have. is that luck, like cortana says at the beginning of halo 3?
gilded mason
She could see that he would become a central character.
chilly oxide
is that said out loud in the movie?
viral orbit
Don't watch the movie
viral orbit
Just don't watch it, NO MATTER WHAT
chilly oxide
why though
viral orbit
it leaves half the book out
chilly oxide
oh
viral orbit
And only two fight scenes
chilly oxide
well, ill read the book at some point, but i only have the movie available right now
gilded mason
And it changes things, like making John act a lot more violent
versed helm
The Fall of Reach adaptation doesn't actually have the Fall of Reach in it.
It should've had a different name.
Maybe one of the sections from the book it encapsulates.
fair hazel
Very.. odd..
versed helm
Maybe there was gonna be a sequel.
fair hazel
Part 2?
versed helm
The Fall of Reach 2: Linda Back-Wound Boogaloo
vague scroll
@versed helm Maybe Halo: Bootcamp?
Since the comic of that name and the film both generally cover the same events.
versed helm
Exactly.
fair hazel
Anyways adaptation not great idea
versed helm
They should've advertised an adaptation, but when people went to watch it there was just a black screen with white text that went READ THE BOOKS YOU ILLITERATES
But then again, Halo 4 was basically that but in game form, or so people say xD
viral orbit
First Strike talked about the ground attack on reach
terse gale
Unyielding Hierophant 👌
remote spruce
*Uneven Elephant
terse gale
LMAO
warm wigeon
Johnson we MISSS YOU YOU WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN
obsidian thistle
The adaptions do have legit new canon in them. But for a quality experience I recommend the 2019 Fall of Reach book. Available now last I saw.
(Dont worry folks the 2019 release is just a reprint of the 2011 copy)
versed helm
Anyone familiar with the SHINOBI-class Mjolnir armor?
Because i have two question regarding it...who created it and where did it originally come from?
@obsidian thistle any fixes in the errors?
carmine sleet
@versed helm The creator of the set is unknown but it was found on a derelict freighter at Lacaille 9352
versed helm
I still like to know more about the locations where the UNSC found the materials and technology to create the HELLCAT-class Mjolnir armor
obsidian thistle
SHINOBI and Buccaneer are the two weird sets in Halo 5. They were "found".
@versed helm
carmine sleet
And we know that at least with Shinobi, it was one they then allowed parts to be worn by active duty Spartans, like with Tom in Legacy of Onyx
obsidian thistle
And @versed helm no fixes bar maybe typos no one would notice unless you combed it.
versed helm
dang
you know what halopedia needs? a merchandise index of every item of halo merch made/released
it'd be hard going, but oh so worth
obsidian thistle
workin on it but
it will take a long long long long long time due to higher priority tasks
obsidian thistle
After the merger toys are on the list to improve. Especially cause lore is with many.
Wanna know the best helmet
Timmy.
War Games Exclusive.
It doesnt exist outside the sims
obsidian thistle
Tbh it is impossible to 100% to be fair.
versed helm
yeah
Watching the Keyes terminal makes me feel both sad and uncomfortable
RIP Captain Keyes,you went out like a true soldier
obsidian thistle
Yes.
vivid dust
so combat forms can then go on to sort of merge together?
carmine sleet
To form a Proto-Gravemind, they used various bits of biomass, like dead bodies and combat forms
versed helm
I just finished Halo CE:A
What other ways could you survive the pulse of the Halo Array besides the Lesser Ark and the Shield Worlds?
frigid dawn
Be radiation proof
modest marsh
It’s not a conventional form of radiation
versed helm
What about going underground?
modest marsh
It’s a pulse that “radiates” from the source
umbral junco
Nothing known can stop the array from killing you, other than shield worlds
modest marsh
But what it does is different from atomic excitement
If you’re in the galaxy when it happens, you’re dead
Slipspace is a buffer because it’s a different dimension
umbral junco
Apparently, it chooses targets to kill neurally. When the array was fired first, it destroyed all Precursor artifacts because they were based on neural physics.
modest marsh
^ that implies some sort of esoteric power going on
It’s not a destructive weapon in a traditional sense
More comparable to a psychic attack
umbral junco
I’d bet it’s based on Quantum Mechanics somehow
Quantum mechanics have an interesting link to consciousness and the mind, even in real life
Not that a Halo would be possible of course
It’s more comparable to Thantos snapping
modest marsh
The snap is destructive though
Mass extinction event, yes, but the mechanics are different
umbral junco
I didn’t say it wasn’t. I’m just saying in concept of how it works. It isn’t an explosion or some sort of world-scorching plasma beam, but it just kills things based on the fact they are living, and in Halo’s case, neurally active
modest marsh
Ah
versed helm
Basically the pulse of the Halo Array disintegrates your nervous system
obsidian thistle
And a solvent disolves the body.
The solvent not being everywhere is why there is some remnants scattered here and there that couldnt go with the elements with time.
ocean sand
How strong is a unsc cruiser exactly? Like ik 1 gets 1 shotted at the start of halo 2 but idunno what weapon that was. How well would 1 unsc marathon hold up against a ccs?
keen brook
Like one of those super carriers?
@ocean sand
They don't get one shot around Halo 2 but yeah they weren't strong. 3 of the unsc carriers were worth 1 of the covenant carriers
Plasma already wiped the crap out of them.
serene bluff
Pre War UNSC was basically a joke
If you go later into the war, ships actually start being good
keen brook
They weren't ready for a space faring crazy cult alien covenant to come knocking at their door and razing hell on them :)
serene bluff
The PoA was able to take out 4 covenant capital ships IIRC
keen brook
What was the PoA again
keen brook
When did that take out 4???
serene bluff
cutscene
high marsh
🤨
high marsh
Yeah it's main MAC cannon was disabled before it coild do so... i think
feral perch
He might mean in total?
keen brook
Not all at once though
high marsh
😂 Admiral Danforth Whitecomb sure gave'm a present
serene bluff
Preston Cole by far has the highest kill count
keen brook
Where?
high marsh
Indeed no arguement there
ocean sand
How strong is an autumn then?
serene bluff
Considering the halcyon class took out 4 and the marathon class is a replacement using newer tech
I'd say more than 4 CCSs
high marsh
If hitted directly i'd say...
ocean sand
The halcyon is durable due to the honey comb shape. Marathons don't have that so they can't take on 4 ccs. @serene bluff
high marsh
But question is... was Cortana simulating that or did she actually take down 4 Ships...
serene bluff
@ocean sand If you go by the increase in mass, I'd say it had more armor
not to mention was a smaller ship too
nvm
ocean sand
More armour isn't exactly better. Using techniques like slanting armour and using angles to your advantage you can get more durable vehicles.
serene bluff
in what way does the marathon not have a honeycomb shape?
ocean sand
Read halopedia. It literally says the halcyon has its unique shape.
serene bluff
service lives were short due to a unique hull design that was costly to construct and maintain with low maneuverability, poor armament, and concerns about their tactical viability.
that alone says the design wasn't that good
also the marathon has 2 MACs
also newer MACs
ocean sand
The most noteworthy design feature was a series of internal cross bracings and honeycombs designed by Doctor Robert McLees.[8] This internal superstructure made the ships surprisingly resistant to battle damage; ships of the class were able to remain operational despite sustaining breaches to all compartments and losing 90% of their armor.[9] The durability of the design was demonstrated by the UNSC Pillar of Autumn when she survived a crash-landing on Alpha Halo after taking a tremendous beating at Reach and over the ring.
^^^^
high marsh
2 new big guns to blast them covies to their great journey
serene bluff
I'd still say the marathon is better
I doubt the UNSC hasn't made any improvements in superstructure during the war
high marsh
With covies around every corner pretty much...
serene bluff
The Marathon is a giant upgrade in overall specs over the Halcyon class
ocean sand
Muh point is about the durability. Lasting longer ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°), and firing your mac and nukes for a longer time, gets you more kills and a high survivability chance.
serene bluff
so does taking out ships with 2 guns
ocean sand
Plus, the poa had armament upgrade. With a mac that can fire 3 times before reloading.
Wich!
serene bluff
- It was an upgrade in recharging without a downgrade in firepower
ocean sand
Is why it took out 4 ccs
serene bluff
It had a faster firing rate
ocean sand
Yeah, plus more missle pods and point defense.
serene bluff
the marathon is given how many archers not the number of pods
and is also given 5 fusion rockets
high marsh
I mean it had to be a good ship if it were taking part in Operation: RED FLAG. So...
serene bluff
The Marathon class' vastly superior armaments allowed it to outclass the preceding Halcyon class in every way in terms of weaponry
ocean sand
The new cruiser, the autumn class took many aspects of the poa and used it to its advantage.
"In terms of WEAPONRY"
Not durability.
serene bluff
typically you design weapons to beat your level or armor or better
otherwise it'd be kind of pointless
ocean sand
Big guns are scrap metal if your ship is blown up before they can fire.
serene bluff
depends on the firing rate
serene bluff
It isn't specified for the marathon. Also given the later manufacturing date for the marathon, it would be comfortable to assume it has a faster firing rate due to an upgrade in powerplant
also Members of this class are renowned for their durability and extraordinary resilience, - Marathon class
Unfortunately, their lack of the honeycomb supports meant that these ships were considerably more fragile then the Halcyon-classes they replaced. Nevertheless, by 2552 the Marathon was considered to be one of the more powerful warships ever built by humanity.
My favorite cruiser is the Valiant class
stoic hamlet
The PoA was upgraded with experimental tech, a regular Autumn is weaker than a Marathon.
it can last longer but isn't as powerful
A Marathon has two heavy MAC's, one shot each for a CCS, the PoA has a single experimental light MAC, which fires three shots, two for the shields one to kill.
modest marsh
It’s worth noting that the Autumn’s exploits are at least partly attributable to Cortana’s uniquely superb piloting
She was able to repeatedly outmaneuver Covenant fire by anticipating their attacks
Not every ship had its own smart AI and even less had one as sophisticated as Cortana
stoic hamlet
^^^^
keen brook
So pretty much one of, if not the only, reasons for the PoA surviving and taking out 4 ships
Is cause of Cortana
Which honestly
Is pretty cool.
versed helm
I wonder what the human crewmembers are doing while Cortana's both piloting the ship and manning the MAC gun
Aggressively playing minesweeper?
gilded mason
"ai op pls nerf"
versed helm
I guess The Flood specified that some of the crewmembers were monitoring the boarding engagement and flushing lost compartments of atmosphere.
Maybe some were on the archer pods. Doing little calculations.
keen brook
Cortana is the best
versed helm
"Ah, yes, I can totally understand all these AI calculations rapidly enough to make a difference"
stoic hamlet
Also Wellesley was a dumb A.I right?
versed helm
Yeah.
stoic hamlet
Well I’m sure the weapons officer (the short Asian lady I think) would be checking stuff.
Anyone else find it funny that both times we’ve seen battalion A.I they’ve both had names starting with “W”
Also, why was Cortana kept with John even post crash? I suppose a case could be made she’d be better served actually operating with the unit (or sole survivor of said unit) she was meant to, but surely with Alpha Base set up she should have been kept there?
versed helm
His MJOLNIR was probably the only bit of tech fully capable of housing her.
obsidian thistle
Wellsley be a dumb AI. ;) I mean I worked on his Halopedia page in great detail
versed helm
Plus, Chief was under standing orders to keep her from falling into enemy hands, orders which came from the Captain. In his helmet was the safest place for her, in-arguably.
obsidian thistle
@stoic hamlet https://www.halopedia.org/Wellsley
keen brook
Was either him or Noble Six
stoic hamlet
Thanks @obsidian thistle
keen brook
Being the most lethal
keen brook
When
versed helm
Honestly, stow it with that hyper-lethal nonsense.
keen brook
And where
versed helm
Stop trying to measure soldiers by a tier system
stoic hamlet
technically the people who designed the NOVA bombs are he most lethal in history
obsidian thistle
Oh the hyper-lethal thing was always weird.
keen brook
The ones who fire the bombs are lol
stoic hamlet
Which no Spartan has done, technically
keen brook
I mean I know all the spartans are super lethal.
versed helm
What about Grey
obsidian thistle
We dont even know who the "other" spartan was that Halsey was refering to back in mid-2552 before the term was expanded to all Spartans.
versed helm
But the hyper-lethal thing has been confirmed to be part of marketing, not something that's canonically valid - I was under the impression that individuals from 343 had refuted it
stoic hamlet
Thought the prowler fired it off
versed helm
Though I don't have a quote
stoic hamlet
Spartan Ground Command is the often chosen source for that
obsidian thistle
How I view it is this. Halsey was kept in the dark a lot. Spartan-IIIs were not known to her.
So by all means she never had the full picture
stoic hamlet
Considering it uses the words Hyper Lethal directly and applies it to all Spartans
obsidian thistle
So by all means all Halsey had was incomplete records on the Hyper-lethal status
stoic hamlet
We also don’t know when that trailer canonically took place. The narration I mean.
obsidian thistle
Before Jorge died but after Halsey met the team.
stoic hamlet
It had to have taken place after she met NOBLE but obviously before Reach fell
versed helm
Plus there's literally no practical reason you'd ever give individual soldiers ratings with such bluster-filled designations, it's hideously silly
"Oh hey, a Spartan's here! They'll save us all!"
stoic hamlet
But there’s still a lot she simply didn’t know, and while we don’t know who she’s talking about, I mean, it’s Halsey, we all know who she was talking about.
obsidian thistle
One could argue that its after New Alexandrea.
versed helm
"Oh, nevermind. They're not hyper-lethal. This threat-level is way too high for them. We're still doomed."
Or alternately
keen brook
Hyperlethal was a directive given DIRECTLY from Halsey herself.
And she did know about them cause she was literally with them on reach in a mission
stoic hamlet
Not what that word means
versed helm
"We need a hyper-lethal Spartan to deal with this threat! Quickly, recall Chief from his deployment across the galaxy and get him here pronto!"
It's just absolute nonsense
keen brook
I know
stoic hamlet
Directive
keen brook
You know what I mean
versed helm
And you have to be a bit of a dip to want it to be a thing, frankly
stoic hamlet
Also she didn’t know about the S-III’s
keen brook
I mean identification whatever.
obsidian thistle
@keen brook Halsey didnt know Noble was comprised of SIIIs. She guessed wrongly their origins till later
versed helm
We're disputing the canonical basis of the thing in which she said it
That the words were ever spoken in actual Halo continuity
Not whether or not Halsey was right
gilded mason
The term is pretty cheesy.
obsidian thistle
As said however. Halsey didnt have the full picture till after shd got outta Onyx.
versed helm
Her knowledge could've been confined to NOBLE.
stoic hamlet
She's also known to exaggerate things, often to the dislike of eveyone around her, including Spartans. Her words can't be taken as gospel.
obsidian thistle
Her records may not have been... well complete. The Hyper-lethal status may have even been secret to avoid Halsey catching on about the SIIIs and the early SIV project
stoic hamlet
especially when comparing spartans
obsidian thistle
That also
versed helm
I just think that the whole premise of that trailer is so utterly tailored to marketing and devoid of in-universe practicality that it's not worth considering
obsidian thistle
So yea its easy to explain away the Hyper Lethal status.
keen brook
I like it
stoic hamlet
like it took her over thirty years to realize John wasn't the best leader, and that Kurt had something better than him, even when Kurt routinely beat John in training.
versed helm
That's also stupid
keen brook
And I don't think it's marketing
versed helm
"The best leader"
stoic hamlet
I"m generalizing
keen brook
It's not marketing if it was they would be putting it in more than books
versed helm
Like, c'mon. If it's not a direct physical trait, it's meaningless to compare. They're all exceptional, and leadership is as much luck as skill.
stoic hamlet
She recognized Kurt did some things better than John.
keen brook
It would literally be more visible in the games
stoic hamlet
but it isn't in any books
keen brook
And John was just more exceptional
stoic hamlet
it's purely in that one trailer that's dubious
keen brook
It's not
stoic hamlet
it is
keen brook
Good for you
stoic hamlet
?
keen brook
It's your perspective
stoic hamlet
you can't compare people like that, not accurately.
obsidian thistle
Assume canon. If stuff doesnt line up, try as a experiment to think of a way around it. You cant put that reason on a wiki of course. But if you can think of a way, the fact its possible allows it to be canon.
versed helm
Despite Japan's best attempts, Halo is not an anime. It's based on a realistic world, and in a realistic environment you don't rate people or definitively state the limits of their capabilities, because human nature is bound to rebuff you.
keen brook
I don't see why it wouldn't be Canon.
versed helm
If Halsey is even half the genius she's supposed to be, she'd know that.
stoic hamlet
Well, she isn't
keen brook
You aren't her
stoic hamlet
or, she lets personal bias affect her judgement
keen brook
None of you are
obsidian thistle
Halsey was really busy mid to late 2552
obsidian thistle
She had no time to fully research external stuff
unique rune
Oh good I'm not the only one who thinks the whole "hyper lethal rating" is incredibly stupid.
versed helm
As if we don't know this
stoic hamlet
Actually lets discuss that
keen brook
He was working under direct authority of someone in ONI.
And he was
And no other Spartan
Considered to be that guys personal grim reaper
There was a reason why it was good
Him
If there was anyone else
They would be there
Anyone else as good as Six
stoic hamlet
He seemingly was only assigned to anti-innie operations, or at least that was his main assignment.
How does someone who's only been fighting for less than 10 years have a better record than anyof the S-II's, or any ALpha S-III's?
keen brook
Also can we just vote to get rid of that caps bot it's a pain in the butt
versed helm
Because other Spartans routinely go up against threats easily in excess of anything he faced and come out on top.
Spartan IVs have dealt with situations more dangerous than Six has likely been through.
stoic hamlet
because that doesn't add up
keen brook
You don't know that lol
unique rune
Mmm edgy back story created for the sake of hyping up a character
I always love a bit of that
safe siren
They fought against flood, six did not fight a single flood
obsidian thistle
If the hyper-lethal factor was classified. And only small things got out. Like a mystery spartan (assumed John-117) and Noble Six. It would make it seem that the term is more special than it really is.
keen brook
I do because he was the one assigned to the oni as someone so good
versed helm
A personal grim-reaper in the postwar environment is not the same as one accustomed to fighting human insurgents.
stoic hamlet
uh, yes, we do. He only served for 6 or so years to an Alpha's 16 and an S-II's 28
keen brook
It is
versed helm
Listen, simply being "good" is not a viable measure of operational effectiveness.
stoic hamlet
he literally can't have the record supposedly given to him.
keen brook
And John is a 2
stoic hamlet
your missing the point
keen brook
I'm not
versed helm
"Good" is meaningless. You assess armament, experience, specialization, available support, training.
keen brook
Yeah and depending on how someone does all that
versed helm
You can't just be so "good" you can go up against ridiculous odds and come out on top.
keen brook
Determines their skill
versed helm
Skills are just one facet of it.
keen brook
And you can't tell me any other Spartan can do what John has pulled off.
stoic hamlet
II = 28 years as of 2552
III Alpha = 16 years as of 2552
III Beta (which B-312 is) =6 years as as of 2552.
versed helm
You could take the most elite crack soldiers from one environment and have them be completely incapable in another.
stoic hamlet
explain how he's somehow more lethal than anyone who's fought for more than double his time in the field.
keen brook
Was taken into consideration
When determining who would be viable for the hyper lethal rating
versed helm
You're just blustering now, and I understand why. You like having this simple, easy conceptualization of the Halo universe, and your back's up because several people are effectively shouting at you.
I understand.
But this sort of silliness is not consistent with Halo's tone.
keen brook
Yeah I'm not listening to you start spitting bs
We're having a debate don't get p1ssy
stoic hamlet
we can hopefully dissuade him without resorting to insults
keen brook
And no I'll refrain from avoiding the filter in the future to whatever mod comes in
Telling me not to
If he just wants to get hurt over this
He can go ahead
I don't give a damn
stoic hamlet
THere's been a misundrstanding here, I think.
versed helm
Well, this is certainly ironic.
keen brook
Look. My point is there's a solid good reason why the smartest person in human history would give that unique rating to two specific Spartans.
And only them.
versed helm
Yeah, marketing.
keen brook
No lol
stoic hamlet
But she doesn't know about al the SPartans
keen brook
Just to lore
stoic hamlet
her data is flawed
stoic hamlet
we didn't even know about all of them at the time.
keen brook
But she knows about most of them.
stoic hamlet
but she doesn't have all the data, thus we can't take her words as fact.
unique rune
Does she?
keen brook
Just to entertain the idea that she doesn't
unique rune
She knows about the existence of Spartan programs beyond hers, but not the full extent of them.
keen brook
She would still know about most of them and yeah she made them
stoic hamlet
she knows of, at most, 5 S-III's compared to the potentially over 1000 that were deployed
safe siren
she's doesn't know about the S-3 until the events of GoO
unique rune
she made them
She had absolutely no involvement in the Spartan-III programs, though, so...
keen brook
What evidence
obsidian thistle
Or the full scale of the term "hyper-lethal" was not known to Halsey. I mean if the full scale was public to her, wouldnt have Halsey like I dunno catch on really early other Spartans existed
keen brook
She made the term though..
versed helm
I think it is a very arguable point that she was aware of NOBLE in a vacuum from the S-III project.
In fact that is definitive.
obsidian thistle
Who says she made the term again?
stoic hamlet
@keen brook several sources, Ghosts of Onyx, First Strike, her journal, Kilo-5.....
keen brook
She did
stoic hamlet
where?
gilded mason
Where was it said that she made the term?
stoic hamlet
source it.
versed helm
I think it's his favoured explanation.
keen brook
Ok maybe she doesn't know about them all and I'll go find it. Maybe she didn't MAKE the term
versed helm
It's more realistic than the idea of it being an official ONI rating or some such nonsense.
stoic hamlet
I provided sources, please do the same
unique rune
my dad's uncle's roommate's dog's third owner's cousin's former coworker who said he talked to Bill Gates can confirm that Halsey was the one who created the rating
stoic hamlet
I'll compromise, we can say she rated B-312 as hyper lethal, but she had flawed data and there's no indication it's an offically recognized term
wait no
it is
versed helm
The idea of Halsey sitting on her own coming up with power-level ratings for Spartans is adorable.
What a little nerd she is.
gilded mason
lol
keen brook
Hey
stoic hamlet
but AFAWK not widely used and not given to individual SPartans
stoic hamlet
A flawed one, tbf
unique rune
Intelligence a nerd does not make
stoic hamlet
who often disregards the counsel of others even if they're more knowledgeable.
technically yes
because she's a fictional character
keen brook
Ok this is honestly a different argument than what I was responding to with looters. Whatever hyperlethal
Is
It's not marketing
It would look a lot different if it was. It was for lore purposes
unique rune
It would look different... how?
stoic hamlet
It was said in one trailer
keen brook
Yeah it's just in ONE
versed helm
Well our own experience of the lore is always a matter of interpretation. We can believe what we want.
But here's a question;
unique rune
It's all just back story filler to make the character seem all the more impressive.
keen brook
Yeah that's what I said earlier :/
unique rune
Well. "Character".
versed helm
Do you genuinely believe that UNSC weapons have neat /10 ratings for use by Spartans?
In a little boy scout handbook that they all carry around?
obsidian thistle
Oh yea... I need to compile the threat levels from the Spartan Guide lol
That may be useful
gilded mason
How do those things make sense, though
versed helm
They just don't. Someone was too lazy to come up with the weapon lore I've been craving since I was but a small boy.
keen brook
It was made to be a proper term for someone that's above and beyond other Spartans
And I've seen the argument before
Saying
gilded mason
That seems weird.
keen brook
Oh it's not right to just outshine other Spartans
And I see their point
Spartans are amazing in their own right
But can we say for certain that they're all as good as John
Or Six
stoic hamlet
on average, yes
keen brook
That's where I disagree
stoic hamlet
in certain skillsets, they're better
keen brook
I mean in terms of leadership
John led a Spartan team with more missions than any other team
stoic hamlet
yes, there are "better" leaders than him.
versed helm
I wonder if six being hyper-lethal means he's any less susceptible to high-velocity tree impacts
stoic hamlet
heh
safe siren
i lol'd
stoic hamlet
I mean
stoic hamlet
John agreed Kurt was a better leader than him in Ghosts, IIRC, and Halsey also suggested the same.
keen brook
For John being one of if not being the best Spartans ever.
Sure Kurt was a better leader
stoic hamlet
so
keen brook
Doesn't apply him to being as good as John
obsidian thistle
Regardless all Spartans are indeed Hyper-lethal.
Either it was a term pushed to all spartans after the SIVs became public. Or Halsey was not privy to the full scale of the term.
Ultimately the trailer still works fine in canon.
stoic hamlet
.....what?
safe siren
Linda is a better sniper, Kelly is a better runner, Fred is a better brawler
stoic hamlet
but you just said
keen brook
Not enough to make him as good as him overall. That was just training. Kurt wasn't given the same designation.
safe siren
Kurt was 'dead'. Dead man do not have designations
keen brook
For a reason or else they'd be saying he's hyper too
stoic hamlet
sure John might be a better CQC fighter, maybe, but in terms of command Kurt was the better choice, Mendez thought so.
versed helm
Well CQC's a tough thing to be objectively better at, especially considering the vast variety of threats that Spartans now have to engage in close quarters.
stoic hamlet
I'm using that as an example.
not stating it as fact
though I can see how it'd come off as that, sorry
versed helm
Sorry xD
keen brook
It feels like we should change this channel
stoic hamlet
it's all good
stoic hamlet
Someone suggested that a few weeks ago, lol
keen brook
I did
versed helm
Every server needs a thunderdome channel where all restrictions are lifted
keen brook
:P
versed helm
But it's NSFW
safe siren
As long everything stay civil, lore is discussion too
stoic hamlet
yeah
How am i supposed to curse your entire family because you got one detail wrong?
gosh
keen brook
What?
versed helm
I dunno, it's an art form coming up with ways around filters
stoic hamlet
I'm just screwing around
versed helm
Holy frag grenade you're an unggoy
stoic hamlet
they removed that ye
keen brook
F l u f f e r
keen brook
Why is that blocked
versed helm
IT'S TRUE
stoic hamlet
@versed helm that "blinded by Halo's majesty" one is great.
you could use it as a soft insult pretty easily
versed helm
That's what I'm counting on
I'm waiting for the best opportunity to whip it out
Hot take
The ultimate UNSC Marine design would be
Halo 2 Anniversary Marines wearing the Halo 4 vest, their standard chestplate being worn over it like the Halo 4 chestplates, and also wearing Reach-style helmets and pauldrons
OR
Halo 2 Classic Marines but with more tacticool headgear
versed helm
I mean they're super cool
But they're also just soooo silly
Like, they've got great design language. Their eyepieces were obviously designed to explain the MA5B's lack of ironsights, and their plating looks battle-worn and and practical.
But I dunno. I really like designs that integrate more functional design motifs.
Places to store ammunition, more ergonomic design, more ancillary equipment and facial protection.
I feel that the Halo 2 classic Marine's armour is an awesome middleground between the original design and more practical ideas. The torso armour looks like something that's designed to quickly and easily snap on without having to worry about underlying vests. Their legs are relatively unencumbered - they've got the distinctive pauldrons which characterize UNSC troops but they don't look overcomplicated or ludicrously in-the-way. They're also always covered in tactical webbing and pouches to store what they need.
stoic hamlet
I agree with your "Best Marines" design
They need the reach helmets though, or at least something similar.
versed helm
The Reach helmets are the best.
Though the Halo 4 enclosed helmets would also be very dank if their faceplates weren't sheer white.
Tbh my hope is that the Infinite Marines we've seen aren't final. I guess they're awesome from a return-to-classic standpoint, but the postwar Marine designs had so many terrific ideas that were just let down by some silly armour pieces and odd coloration.
They really combined many of the best aspects of prior designs.
Like you gotta admit that's pretty effin cool.
And not that far away from the Reach or 3 design.
unique rune
My biggest issue with Halo 4 Marine designs was always just the color choices.
versed helm
That always was the strangest thing. Like, 343 went as practical as possible for most of their designs, but just seem to have become allergic to the idea of giving anything drab or camo colours.
Like, look at GEN 2 MJOLNIR. One of the big design points is how practical and easy-to-move in all the designs would be (not that past designs wouldn't be functional with a bit of sci-fi engineering), yet they're always in all these hideous bright colours.
Obviously it's a holdover from Reach, and obviously it's to validate player customization, but c'mon.
And the same goes for the Halo 4 marines. Clearly, their primary protection is that armoured vest - everything else, including chestplates, is supplemental. It's like a modern plate carrier+ - all the pauldrons look very mobile, there's plenty of places for them to carry what they need, and yet, they're bright white.
Or have these red trims all over.
modest marsh
Oh yea... I need to compile the threat levels from the Spartan Guide lol @obsidian thistle not to rain on your parade or anything, but how do you hope to even come close to reconciling some of those values?
The plasma rifle supposedly does less damage than the assault rifle, which is an absurd notion
Not one source would reasonably corroborate that
Not even gameplay
merry summit
The assault rifle is a good way to waste ammo. Use the battle rifle or dmr.
modest marsh
Assault rifle is extremely useful in some cases, especially PvE
merry summit
Meh
modest marsh
H5 AR does work in campaign
merry summit
I'd rather have a battle rifle and grenade launcher
modest marsh
You can down Elites on legendary with a single clip
merry summit
Exactly. An entire magazine used on one enemy.
modest marsh
Not the whole magazine
merry summit
Battle rifle does damage and lasts longer. Not to mention it's more accurate.
gilded mason
And apparently a knife is 8/10 damage, while an incineration cannon is 6/10
modest marsh
The BR and DMR’s ammo efficiency leaves much to be desired
AR actually does more damage per bullet to shields
merry summit
Like I said. I personally would prefer a Battle Rifle and a Grenade Launcher over any weapon layouts.
modest marsh
And has less bullet spread before bloom
merry summit
Then again the Saw is a great weapon too.
modest marsh
Anyway
versed helm
Btw
It's a magazine
Not a clip
Tho tbh I'm pretty sure people mess that up in-universe so maybe Halo terminology is looser
modest marsh
I used a colloquialism once and look where it gets me
versed helm
Less gun nuts can only be a sign of humanity's progress
modest marsh
I can tell you for a fact that’s the case
As far as the incineration cannon’s rating is concerned, I assume whoever wrote those watched some brief gameplay and derived conclusions from what they saw
versed helm
Yeah. The Flood, most notably, referring the M6D's magazine.
A book written by an actual former US Navy Corpsman, so I dunno what that tells you
modest marsh
The IC’s primary fire as of halo 5 does ostensibly infantry-level damage
So I can see why someone would assume it’s not quite as strong as say, the sniper rifle
modest marsh
: )
versed helm
I mean, would you use an SRS99 to try and kill a gravemind?
modest marsh
Well not all forms of damage are the same
versed helm
If we're talking power in terms of raw damage to target, it's pretty unquestionable which is greater.
Raw effect, we'll say.
modest marsh
Like I said, I can see it as a mistake from very brief interactions with the game
If one weapon kills faster than the other, it probably does more damage
Some of the material in the guide seems oriented towards people interested in learning about mechanics and specificities of the universe as it pertains to a “”Spartan”” (read: player)
After all, you, the reader, are apparently a Spartan
With that in mind it makes me question the authenticity of certain specifics provided by the manual
At least in the context of enjoying the universe proper
obsidian thistle
Oh sometimes lists are useful for one reason or another. @modest marsh
modest marsh
Right but the information provided is provably unreliable
I was however mistaken, the plasma rifle has a damage rating of 7 to the assault rifle’s 5
But then the plasma pistol also has a 5
stoic hamlet
Which is bogus from a lore perspective
modest marsh
The Brute Shot has a 6
merry summit
The forklift from reach is op
modest marsh
The same weapon that killed (an albeit damaged and fatigued) Spartan
merry summit
Who was killed by a forklift?
feral perch
All the Spartans on Lone Wolf
modest marsh
Not sure why the Pelican has the same firepower rating as a Warthog
merry summit
Really? I can't say that? Censorship man. It's so stupid.
merry summit
They died because of forklifts. It's cannon now.
modest marsh
70mm chin gun and Anvil-II missile pods plus rear facing .50 turret < one .50 MG
stoic hamlet
*canon
merry summit
To be fair a .50 round is like the size of half of a normal person's arm
modest marsh
It even mentions the 70mm on the page
No it’s not lol
Whose tiny arms are you comparing
obsidian thistle
The Plasma Pistol be pretty deadly
merry summit
Half an inch? You sure we're both talking about fifty callibers?
stoic hamlet
^^^
merry summit
Look all I know is I have held a bullet that was half my arm
modest marsh
Are you sure that wasn’t a 50mm lol
stoic hamlet
It’s the same chambered round as the M6D, though obviously different types, rifle compared to pistol
stoic hamlet
Ye
cerulean sand
What AI has a name that starts with D?
versed helm
Delta?
cerulean sand
The reason I'm asking is that the new AI Master Chief may get, has a name that starts with D
unique rune
...Do we know that?
cerulean sand
Look at the Chip Chief inputs in his helmet in 4 k and it has the letter D, the first letter of AI's are put onto the chip
I have strong feelings into the theory
Lol I wouldn't have came to the lore tab of this server if I didn't have this feeling😂
feral perch
facts don't care about your feelings
fair hazel
What's your theory
unique rune
The issue with that theory is that the visible portion of the serial number doesn't match any known smart AI serial no. formatting.
feral perch
it's not a bad guess though
fair hazel
Imagine, Durandal
delicate yacht
Hallo fellow Halo fans, I just joined the Official Halo Discord Server!
fair hazel
Hello, this is the lore/story discussion channel
unique rune
Smart AI serials are XXX 0000-0.
The chip code reads as X-000... something, with the rest being cut off.
So either we're only seeing the tail end of the number, or the number is bunk and means absolutely nothing.
cerulean sand
Could be a dumb ai, or human ai
cerulean sand
What if Cortana was foreshadowing when she said that they'd pair Chief with another Cortana? Stupid thought but it's a thought
gilded mason
No thank you.
unique rune
ONI AI wouldn't be an unreasonable guess... though Black-Box's serial still uses the same XXX 0000-0 format, so I dunno.
It's just a teaser trailer so I really wouldn't put much stock into it.
feral perch
They'll pair him with an AI named Dortana
cerulean sand
Lol yes everytime a Cortana corrupts they just change the first letter
autumn urchin
fair hazel
I wonder how much Cortana will be “keeping him touch” with John
keen brook
Wink wink
Worst case scenario
They make a human version of Cortana
They fall in actual love
And they go out to some distant land and live happily ever after.
unique rune
Worst case scenario
As awful as that sounds, that is far from the worst thing they could do.
glass scroll
If they chose a name with a D, Delilah would be fitting
versed helm
@unique rune With the way Halo's writing is going I'd say that's probably a best case scenario lmao
glass scroll
It might catch you by surprise
stoic hamlet
“Hey there Delilah....”
merry summit
Guys. It's time we ask the real lore questions. What brand toilet paper does MC use?
versed helm
Probably generic-brand TP sourced by the UNSC
versed helm
Tell that to the ground pounders.
merry summit
Hmm. Google doesn't seem to know.
versed helm
That's because this lore has never been discussed.
I mean, I find myself suddenly interested.
merry summit
I mean google doesn't know what brand the US Navy uses
I figured they would use the same brand.
versed helm
In 500 years?
To put that in perspective
We're the same distance from Henry VIII as the UNSC are from us
unique rune
It'll be whatever is cheapest without being considered human abuse, probably.
versed helm
I imagine it's probably churned out as-needed by shipboard/base fabrication units.
Made of whatever soft materials can be broken down and processed into a suitable texture
merry summit
true
dreamy marlin
Reusable toilet paper.. Hmm
merry summit
I mean in the future it might be possible