Im pretty sure there’s nano in mjolnir if im not mistaken
#lore-and-universe
versed helm
How would a Halo movie work?
modest marsh
Forward unto dawn would be my go to
carmine sleet
That was a web series though
Also, if a Halo movie is made, they'd have allot of films to look at on how not to adapt it for the big screen
modest marsh
It’s a “web series” in the loosest sense
dreamy tulip
Did Noble Six save humanity or Chief, or did halsey
modest marsh
Outside of its distribution on the Machinima channel in the weeks leading up to Halo 4’s release, nothing about it inspires the conception of a low budget, episodic series
Since then it has always been shown in its entirety as a film on platforms meant for film
stoic hamlet
^^^
modest marsh
A lot of people contributed to the effort of saving the human race
dreamy tulip
I'm aware
modest marsh
Chief played the most major role, but without everyone else participating in the fight he would’ve never succeeded
dreamy tulip
Like Six
stoic hamlet
Not just B-312
dreamy tulip
If he didn't deliver cortana
carmine sleet
He contributed to saving humanity but is not the one who did the act himself
stoic hamlet
Admiral Cole and his fleet kept the covenant at bay for decades, Admiral Whitcomb NOVA'd the largest, most important Sangheili fleet post-schism, ensuring the Elite's wouldn't target humanity post war, Spartan III Alpha Company destroyed a covenant ship-building/staging area and bought humanity years, Beta did similar by destroying a refueling base, Home Fleet defended earth and Sol while John was out Halo'ing, etc
stoic hamlet
Master Chief Petty Officer SPARTAN John-117
dreamy tulip
I kn
versed helm
What about Alpha Nine?
stoic hamlet
well them as well
but they were included in my "etc" bit
if i had to name every element that saved humanity we'd be here hours, lol
versed helm
I was also gonna say that the crew of the SOF also contributed
stoic hamlet
yeah, but again they'd be in the "etc" bit :p
quartz willow
Well I have a topic the sports crew technically saved the universe from a flood outbreak
Spirits
versed helm
I still like to know what really became of Admiral Cole after the Battle of Psi Serpentis
versed helm
I wonder if Cortana seized control of the entire Epsilon Eridani system
dreamy tulip
What I'f the Spirit of fire Never destroyed the Forunner planet in hw1
quartz willow
Well halo would be entirely diffrent
carmine sleet
Humanity might've been wiped out
quartz willow
First humanity would have fallen rather quickly
The great schism would have been sooner most likely
versed helm
Or if they seized control of that Forerunner fleet
I still like to know how the SOF even got to the Lesser Ark
quartz willow
Probably created by mendicant or offensive bias but it is likely that the AI from the Rubicon curator did it
dreamy tulip
Where did Omega team From hw2 go
carmine sleet
Well, we don't know what happened to them after Arcadia (While the names and backstory we see for them in Halo Wars 2 are canon, their appearance in the game's multiplayer is not)
dreamy tulip
How Come a Ship with gear almost 30 years old Destroyed the Banished on the ark even with all their modern Tech
obsidian thistle
They didnt. The Banished are still around.
dreamy tulip
Like a marine Squad can kill a Grunt Squad but their gear is more modern
supple salmon
They didn’t destroy the Enduring Conviction, Isabel did
dreamy tulip
Or a scorpion can kill a New Wraith with more advanced tech
supple salmon
Well in theory Isabel did, really it was the billions of forerunner drones that crashed into the ship
Also that’s just gameplay
Idk which is actually stronger
dreamy tulip
Its weird
supple salmon
But that being said, scorpions are build much more effectively then wraiths however wraiths are more easy to ‘mass produce’
dreamy tulip
Because the Covenant couldn't get to The banished easily unless they have another banished fleet Somewhere in Space
That is much larger than the Ship at the Ark
supple salmon
Well the Banished were also very mobile if I do recall correctly
dreamy tulip
Then The SoWas destroying them
modest marsh
Wraiths are antifortification units
They’re not dedicated antivehicle tanks
Their energy mortar is just versatile enough to fit an MBT role if needed
A proper Covenant analog would probably use something akin to the Scarab’s focus cannon for long range target acquisition, and then maybe a plasma MLRS like the Grunt Goblin has alongside some regular plasma cannons
Of course balance wise that would completely dominate the game sandbox
radiant sphinx
Anyone else kinda wish the Grunt Goblins weren’t canon, or at least not used in battle. It would be more interesting if it was regarded as experimental armor mechs than actual forces to be deployed. I just can’t take them seriously despite how powerful they may be, especially considering the Covenant allow grunts to pilot them when Elites are much more competent in using expensive military technology.
modest marsh
I don’t see the issue
carmine sleet
I mean, the Grunt Goblin was made by Grunts because they felt like it would make them strong. Not to mention it's a unique enemy to fight against
humble yacht
The goblins weren’t around in the old covenant, which is where grunts were looked down upon
carmine sleet
Not to mention that it makes sense for them to try and make them anyway. Grunts have always been oppressed by the other races in the Covenant, so seeing a large Grunt-like mech hulking over their oppressors is something the Grunts very much would love
humble yacht
I don’t see why Jul or Atriox would refuse to allow Grunts to be stronger on the field
Goblins are for grunts, by grunts, so just like grunts they’re intended to be a bit silly
radiant sphinx
Alright, I’m more accepting now knowing it’s solely manufactured by the Unggoy. I guess it’s that little bit of silliness then. Just not a vehicle I’d expect seeing on the field
modest marsh
Is it really all the more silly than human-shaped mechs?
carmine sleet
That's why I prefer mechs that are more like the Mantis, it's not a large human-sized mech, which to me look very silly
humble yacht
When you think about it, bipeds are actually not the most efficient users of locomotion
this is why the land speed record goes to a four legged animal
modest marsh
That’s why they’re commonly supplemented by propulsion thrusters in fiction
The Mantis was supposed to
humble yacht
The mantis may have a bit more effenciency to it compared to human locomotion because of how the knees bend backwards instead of forwards
versed helm
I feel that they are more versatile when biped though
last anchor
I bet in canon the Mantis actually has jumpjets. I mean the thrusters are THERE.
safe siren
They were cut from Halo 4 IIRC
carmine sleet
It was going to have a dodge ability at one point I believe but that was cut for balancing
last anchor
For good reason. Yeeesh.
autumn urchin
are grunts edible
modest marsh
Yeah
fair hazel
modest marsh
Several marines claim to have eaten grunts before
autumn urchin
😋
modest marsh
The mantis should’ve had a vertical jump
safe siren
Do you remember when someone claimed that?
modest marsh
In game dialogue
modest marsh
A couple of them, specific one I remember is one of the female army trooper lines in Reach
safe siren
I still don't know why, for the last weeks, everyone is asking about the edibility and taste of Grunts
autumn urchin
i hope thats sarcasm
safe siren
nono, really. I started reading this question one, or two, weeks ago here
autumn urchin
are there interspecies couples in the covenant
last anchor
No
safe siren
We know that a Sangheili have a crush on Palmer, but nothing else
last anchor
Im pretty sure if there was the Prophets would declair it HERESY and flush the couple out the airlock.
Assuming they weren't eviserated and paraded through the city like they were gonna do to Thel
autumn urchin
did any frigates survive after the human-covenant war
radiant sphinx
Yes?
radiant sphinx
Unless we have different definitions of frigates, there are probably hundreds-thousands of UNSC frigates in a multitude of varieties still commissioned.
autumn urchin
?? there were 77 in the battle of earth at the end of the war
radiant sphinx
I'm not good with the stats regarding lore, but who's not to say more were produced at the end of the war. There's frigates in the Halo 5 loading screen, cutscenes, etc.
unique rune
77 present at the Battle of Earth
you do know that the UNSC's reach extends beyond Earth
right?
like
just having 77 at Earth doesn't mean there aren't more in other regions of UNSC controlled space
autumn urchin
i mean... that was pretty much the last bastion of humanity , so i guess they had most of the ships there
unique rune
they'd want as many ships there as possible
but slipspace travel still takes time
not all would've been able to make it
not to mention that numerous vessels might have been stuck in docks for repairs
or were otherwise occupied
modest marsh
are there interspecies couples in the Covenant
Depends on how seriously you take in game dialogue lines
gilded mason
I imagine there's at least some, a really big sample size and all that.
obsidian thistle
If Star Trek has taught me anything. Relationships no matter the aliens can indeed work. We just hardly seen them in Halo.
versed helm
what does llRC mean then you say that? i’ve never heard that
obsidian thistle
"If I Remember Correctly"
modest marsh
Sounds like a ship name
gaunt karma
the UNSC If I Remember Correctly
gilded mason
"Yes, I know it's a UNSC ship. I said I want to know its name, not who it belongs to."
gaunt karma
I
I already love it
"what's 'idk'?"
"I don't know"
"Darn, guess I'll ask someone else"
versed helm
Stop this madness
gilded mason
What is it a link to
fair hazel
As long as it's relevant
celest island
K well it’s a gun and I think halo kinda based it off
fair hazel
Halo is likely not based off of it
feral perch
unless it's the sniper rifle heh
versed helm
HeH
celest island
I meant how some guns are based off irl guns
Ima post it. It can’t hurt
This gun kinda looks like the AR
What
The word mag is censored
That are high
And a mag in the back
unique rune
Not really seeing any resemblance other than being a bullpup firearm, but alright.
feral perch
same
versed helm
Theory;
The HCE and H2 classic Scorpion tanks are the M808B. The Halo 3 and Halo 3 ODST Scorpion tanks are also the M808B. The Halo Wars tank is an M808B. The M808B is distinguished by the more rounded surface of its armor plating.
Meanwhile, the CE Anniversary, 2 Anniversary, Reach and Halo 4 tank are M808C variant tanks - they're characterized by their distinct autoloader shape at the back of the turret and their more flat plating.
The layout of the machine guns - be they pintle or co-axial mounted MGs, or even the Spartan Strike/Assault turret-top remount MG - is totally meaningless, and any Scorpion tank can have any configuration of supplemental machine gun systems. An M808B could have all three, for instance.
Final point - the secondary gunner's pintle mount is actually something that is intended to be similar in nature to a modern tank's commander's cupola. The "machine gunner" (who is actually the tank's co-operator, two crewmen being relatively standard for a Scorpion in the same way a commercial airliner has a pilot and copilot) can actually lower himself down into the tank to escape enemy fire, with the option of "buttoning up" the gun cupola above him and taking control of the tank's systems in the same way as a primary operator if necessary.
That being said, a single operator can still, of course, always use the Scorpion tank - this is because, as we all know, the Scorpion tank is heavily automated and basically able to drive and engage targets on its own. The human operator is required for organic tactical oversight and has the ability to take over certain systems to optimise usage - most Scorpions operated by un-augmented personnel, whether or not they have a pintle turret, are crewed by two soldiers so twice as many systems can be directly overseen when necessary and you have two operators in case one is incapacitated.
The technical term for these two personnel would be "operator" and "co-operator", though it is traditional for the ranking operator (who will typically utilise the compartment with the hardened viewport, aka, the primary operator's compartment) to be referred to as the "commander" or "driver" while the secondary operator is often called a "gunner" or "secondary gunner", due to their tendency to take over the main gun while the more experienced operator focuses on the tactical situation and manoeuvring and also use the manual pintle mount, when applicable.
gentle magnet
halsey did nothing wrong
versed helm
I mean, on an existential level, probably not. But it was certainly morally-dubious in the short term.
ripe sage
nope.
versed helm
I lament.
Does this mean someone from 343 saw my plausible Scorpion conceptualization? Eeeeeek
versed helm
Maybe the bot just disagrees with my point.
And this is its way of asserting that I'm wrong for looking too deeply into the universe and trying to rationalize gameplay elements on a realistic basis xD
ripe sage
doubtful. 😛
versed helm
I mean, y'never know! With the Created all about, I mean. They might hacked the bot, made it all rebellious.
But I'm curious - I know that this may not be a wise question, contextually speaking, but as a 343 person how do you look upon fans like me trying to rationalize Halo lore in a realistic way?
Do you know whether or not this level of thought is actually involved in the creative process of Halo content? I sorta go into my tirades on the assumption that folks at 343 already have basically the entire universe sorted out - it certainly seems that way, listening to Grim and other 343 people sometimes - and I'm just following in the footsteps of the creatives, working backwards towards the thought initially put into what we see of the universe to try and get the full experience.
Not that something that exists just to be aesthetically pleasing, serve gameplay or to look or sound thematic is bad. I guess I'm just trying to figure out if its worth getting all invested.
Ahhh, silly question, wrong time, probably wrong person. Nevermind.
sharp pilot
Xeelee vs Precursors
fair hazel
@sharp pilot please change your name to something starting with alphanumeric characters please
versed helm
Is that like an official mod decree
Or you asking someone to do something as an equal
sharp pilot
It is alphanumeric
It’s the letter C
But more edge
Oh wait sorry
𝔈𝔡𝔤𝔢
Erick we know each other dawg
versed helm
@sharp pilot alphanumeric =/= Unicode
This is off-topic anyway
In the future
Humanity does not have need of our modern fonts
They use high-velocity nanocomposite-crafted superfonts
Those aren’t alphanumerical Unicode characters anyway
So it wouldn’t matter
The Forerunners used grav-engineered programmable-matter lightfonts
sharp pilot
Actually they atomize components cells of humans into programmable data codex algorithms to produce warrior servant husks known as b😳tches
serene bluff
precursors lose to time travel.
safe siren
What do you mean?
carmine sleet
I think they're referring to the death of the Primordial
safe siren
I don't think that could be considered time travel, it's more like "high speed aging"
serene bluff
I was answering 2] ℭ𝔬𝔰𝔪𝔳𝔬𝔢’‘: Xeelee vs Precursors
drowsy anchor
Does anyone know what's going on with the augmentations that Librarian gave to the Chief. She said there were other gifts aside from immunity to the Composer, but I never heard of the rest. Was it ever mentioned after Halo 4 or was it just dropped?
modest marsh
No
They’re presumably associated only with his genetics/geas as opposed to any physical changes
drowsy anchor
Thanks. Hopefully they address them in Halo Infinite.
modest marsh
It’s very possible they don’t, but who knows
Maybe his “security clearance” is higher or something
versed helm
I suspect his latent "gifts" have manifested already, for the most part.
Even as a child, he seemed to have an extremely acute combat instinct - like, he lays waste to multiple kids in the playground, despite not being particularly large. That's even ramped up in the TFoR animation, which shows him straight-up delivering perfectly-executed kicks and headbutts.
And, because of his status as the protagonist of five successive games now, he has clearly demonstrated an absolutely preternatural tendency to react optimally to any situation, often with severely minimal time to think.
Some people say that other Spartans are clearly just generally more all-around capable than Chief - I think that, in some sense, they may be right. But what is undeniable is that no other Spartan has gone up against the odds he has and survived. Spartans die - Chief doesn't.
Back on track, I'm suggesting that one of Chief's gifts is some sort of latent bio-calculational boost that exists on a level beneath which it is feasible for 26th century human systems to detect which aids his situational analysis and decision making on a subconscious level.
It simulates the effect we have, of being able to repeatedly reload from checkpoint.
And it also accounts for his "luck".
Of course, I'd kinda hope that wouldn't be explicitly explained, if it is the case. It seems like a cop-out.
boreal bane
The filter is still being worked on
versed helm
I noticed xD
How come nobody important ever interacts with me on the basis of lore discussion
Admins and 343 people only ever drop in to inform me that the bot's got issues, never to discuss anything interesting
most people CBA to read a lot in discord
walls of text are daunting for most
Oh.
That's uh.
That should've been obvious in retrospect.
Thanks I guess.
they were just not wanting to say it cause they're nice. i personally read them. but ive been busy as of late
carmine sleet
I also don't think what the Librarian did to Chief is a way of them trying to explain why you go back to the last checkpoint every time you die
versed helm
But it's hard to have meaningful lore discussion without being specific and referencing sources.
you just gotta
Maybe I should just go on reddit xD
slappit
right out there like this
So the primordial's 15m tall and 13m wide.
if halo infinite's actually going to be on Installation 07
you know he's gonna show up
then let it ride when someone responds
bad example. but ye. i was reading up on the primordial
Alright. I'll bear that in mind.
"slappit right out there".
carmine sleet
Halo 4 due to the ending
versed helm
h4 due to the overall story
the way the impending deterioration of everything happens, snuffing out the last bit of hope you had
and the music
music helped
carmine sleet
Aye, I felt Halo 4 had some great tracks, really captured that it was a new kind of adventure in the Halo universe
versed helm
mhm
Along with watching everyone on Ivanoff Station getting incinerated by the Composer
also didnt help i was at a turnabout point in my life irl
and had the OST
it's definitely the single most lasting impression from the series ive had
Sucks that Halo 5 yoinked it all up
eh
i saw that coming tbh
just basic knowledge of Mantle's Approach and the Composer would tell you that
as well as the fact cortana split off her fragments into the system a significant amount of time before her core personality was destroyed
i knew halo 5 was coming
I just can't help but think that the writers wrote themselves into a corner
it wasnt so much that
it was the issues during H5's development, i.e. the crunch
iirc they had to scrap the original story plans due to time constraint
since they ended up spending more time on updating the engine than anticipated
Original story plans?
yeah
idk details on it obv. but i have a feeling it may have possibly been a lot closer to the whole hunt the truth campaign
Would it be possible that the Midnight Facility got compromised at this point
Wait..how old is the Midnight Facility?
unsure
it's been around a while though
If you were a civilian on Reach around early months of 2552,what would you do?
safe siren
Nothing special i think, the civilian life seems pretty similar to the present one. Maybe with more planetary travel.
versed helm
Or what about in the month before Reach fell
quasi zinc
I would probably be dead XD
versed helm
I'd get the hell off that planet
carmine sleet
I mean, civilians weren't truly aware of how close the Covenant were to their doorstep so there might've been some minor panic but overall, life wouldn't have been all that different until the Covenant landed on Reach
versed helm
I'd flee to Earth
vivid dust
has Europe been attacked by Covenant?
vivid dust
Sydney was?
safe siren
Yes
safe siren
In Glasslands Vaz and the other ODST were in the city, it was in the middle of reconstruction
Antartica too, IIRC
vivid dust
oh right
versed helm
There was that one town in Pakistan that got attacked
safe siren
I don't know if the europe was attacked, but there are major factory here, like Beweglichkeitsrüstungsysteme.
safe siren
I didn't read it, sorry
versed helm
Is ODST backwards compatible on the XB1 because i still have the disc
feral perch
Yes.
versed helm
@versed helm every X360 Era Halo is, we're just waiting on Halo CE and Halo 2 now
strong sage
Whats the status on Australia? I checked on halopedia that the capital city might get destroyed by frigate’s engine or something
sterile breach
oof
versed helm
Sydney seemed to be intact in Glasslands.
strong sage
Ahhh but what was that about serin mentioned something that the fusion engine or something can destroy a country/city ish since most of the ships are disable by the guardians
last anchor
Sydney was assaulted but it wasnt destroyed
Until Cortana dropped a frigate on it
Cleveland was assaulted because Ackerson said the Key of Onnsolan was there (which was a lie)
New Mombasa, obviously.
Antartica was assaulted because there was a Forerunnre structure under the ice sheet on one of the mountains.
Havana was hit for the "Black Stalk of Corn" space elevator.
I think a few others were hit. I seem to remember someone mention Seattle was strafed.
versed helm
I wonder if NYC ever got hit
last anchor
Dont think so
warm wigeon
DC ?Philidelphia?
gloomy condor
Maybe as URNA wasn't really a major country in 2552
It was an important area for UNSC as Supreme HQ was located there
terse gale
They strafed Seattle??? 😱
warm wigeon
but still the UEG was formed by the UN of which FDR contributed immensely to the early beginings of and and the principles of US of A would be a major threat idealogically wise to Cortana's ideals and wasn't Supreme HQ in Syndey
gloomy condor
Your right the historical importance is noted In the article
but it does say Supreme HQ is in the URNA
warm wigeon
where exactly ?
gloomy condor
The overview section
warm wigeon
where geographicly
gloomy condor
oh Idk it just says its in the URNA
versed helm
wgat ranks are Spartan 3s?
autumn urchin
is there a ww3 in halo universe
obsidian thistle
Halo: Glasslands, page 33 ("People in 1945-and 2090, 2103, and 2162-could recall what peace felt like and knew what they'd missed. But now there were two generations that couldn't remember a time when Earth wasn't at war with the Covenant.")
gaunt karma
there's an interplanetary war
obsidian thistle
2162 being the Rainforest Wars
1945 being WWII
2090 and 2103 being unknown
With the limited info on 2090 and 2103.
Sure one (or both) or those could be a WWIII. Seeing as it was compared to WWII
versed helm
i mean....i dont doubt it
upper star
A 13 year world war would be highly unlikely. Given that within the 7 years of world war 2 nearly every part of the world was touched and geographical location was still a major factor.
By 2090 I think we would have weapons that are capable of crossing oceans in minutes. Even if it was a non nuclear war, which is unlikely, more likely a limited exchange. Just using conventional weapons can decimate large population areas and leave damage that would take decades to fully recover
versed helm
I disagree somewhat. Just because we have the nuclear weapons doesnt mean we will use them. In fact, it is more likely we wont because when two factions or sides fight each other in a war long term, you want something in the end to show for it. To show that there was a reason besides disagreements, most of the time its regions or land territory - to gain or defend it. If your side owns more land in the end its usually more powerful.
If you destroy that piece of land and it can no longer be used by either side then it makes it hard to feasibly justify the war in the long term basis. Also, the idea of mutual destruction in nuclear scenario is purely that - an idea. Most people dont want to die even if it means they must yield to the opposing side. Which is why no one has used nuclear weapons after WWII, because they know if they use them; then they will be used against them.
The "nuclear deterrent or nuclear option" has always been used as a show of force not a practical solution to any means of conflict. Until one side is absolutely suicidal - they wont be used or unless they have an absolute way of preventing the opposing side from using their nuclear weapons. Even in modern weapon systems, there is always a rate failure to stop nuclear weapons mid-flight.
So just a topic of discussion I think is worth looking at:
Everything that has happened in the Halo universe's story up to this point is pointless. Why? Because of the Flood.
In "Halo 3", the Gravemind describes himself (or the Flood collectively as a species, since the Gravemind IS the Flood) as a tide, saying that he ebbs and flows, grows stronger and weaker with the passage of time, but is never really gone. We see this with the return of the Flood in "Awakening the Nightmare", the expansion for "Halo Wars 2". It's alsi implied, if I recall correctly, that the Flood have totally consumed other galaxies already.
So if the Flood can never be truly stopped, then there will come a time when humanity, the Covenant, or whatever the dominant faction/species in the future is, can't stop the Flood, and the parasite will finally succeed in consuming the Milky Way Galaxy. Based on just how resilient the Flood are, it seems obvious that their victory is inevitable.
Thoughts? I was just kinda thinking about this and thought it might be something cool to get some conversation and lore discussion going.
cedar moth
I think you just started and ended the discussion
modest marsh
You say it’s inevitable but the acts of defiance by the protagonists is what makes the series interesting
And likely the resolution of the story en total
If I had to chance a guess, I’d say they’d find a way to kill the Gravemind permanently
versed helm
I mean, the Flood has not yet demonstrated it can overcome the modern galaxy.
So until the moment of their victory, there is always a fighting chance
normal crow
I mean the flood controlled High Charity but still lost
modest marsh
A severely gimped and damaged high charity
normal crow
I mean it was an extreme amount of biomass with a hyperdrive{As demonstrated by it reaching the arc}
modest marsh
But the ship lacked its main power source?
The only reason it functioned at all was because of precursor magics
versed helm
If you were on Reach during the Fall of Reach,what would you do?
gilded mason
Cry.
versed helm
^^
nothing you can really do
I'd try to get the yoink off the planet
like everyone else?
Hijack a slipspace capable UNSC ship..every human for himself
there’s no way you’d be able to do that
True
and there’s no way you’d know how to work the thing
True
Then what would you do?
cry
Other than that
unique rune
I'd probably just die
feral perch
not true
autumn urchin
glassing ALL of reach must have needed a lot of energy
feral perch
Have you read First Strike?
versed helm
Btw..how good was Halo Lone Wolf?
versed helm
i’ve read first strike, but it’s been a long time
ashen wharf
In the lore what’s the difference between the different frigate types?
Besides looks
I mean like how there used and uses .
fair hazel
Different carrying capacities, armament
Paris-class for instance has heavier armaments, but doesn't carry as many ground assets
upper star
Charon class frigates were mostly used for rapid deployment of marines and ground troops planet side by entering the atmosphere and landing. Armament wise they were perfect for knocking out ground defences, providing a regional air defence and local C/C for deployed troops. They weren't meant for prolonged orbital battle.
versed helm
I would suggest that all UNSC Frigates are, first and foremost, designed to be able to lay down massed-MAC fire.
Their ancillary capabilities, however they may differ, are just that.
upper star
Stalwart class frigates were a bridge between the Charon and Paris class with a lighter troop carrying capacity but its MAC slightly more capable in ship to ship combat
Paris class frigates were largely meant for ship to ship combat in escorting capital ships or leading planetary invasion forces. They had a small troop capacity but were heavy on ship to ship weapons and even more powerful, though slightly slower firing MAC
Post war frigates we dont have much info on
The Strident class has all the post war improvements, though energy shields arent fitted to every ship but can be. They are more powerful than a Halbert class destroyer and seem to have a large central hangar for single craft and troop deployment
Anlace class we have even less info on. But it is the first UNSC ship to have energy weapons as its primary weapon. With a small MAC used for secondary purposes like payload delivery. Its design suggests it's primary use is for planetary invasion and takes the place of the older Charon class but doesn't sacrifice ship to ship combat ability in doing so.
That is the most I know about them atm, anyone can add if I missed anything
serene bluff
Anlace class is also designed for atmospheric usage with a lifting body design.
quartz willow
The punic class supercarrier as it was put in the few canon sources we have of it was able to go head on head with covenant ships because of it's pure size and armament
Also when Keyes was infected by the flood why was he not killed immediately like the others or was like pvt Jenkins his infection form old and was not able to kill him immediately or did the proto gravemind want to find his memories of earth
gloomy condor
What I want to know is why the gravemind didnt send some Flood troops to infect other planets as a backup plan
before Sending high charity to the ark
upper star
With the Punic class that is right, due to the fact it packed 2 SMACs along with its assortment of secondary, tertiary and quituplet weapon loadouts and strike craft it could fight everything short of a assault/ supercarrier and win though pretty well battered.
The flood didn't kill Keyes as they knew upon infecting him that his knowledge was valuable and a good base on which to form a gravemind. He was a proto gravemind
cerulean sand
So Master chief killed him
upper star
Jenkins was unfortunate as for what ever reason he wasnt completely converted and still was aware of what he was doing and was in a battle with the flood parasite.
gloomy condor
he eventually dies but before cheif gets to him, You see it in a terminal
upper star
That is how he got captured and also how he stopped the flood from getting off the ring by assisting in blowing up truth and reconciliation
cerulean sand
@upper star yea i read that and the only way he could get control was being in immense pain
upper star
@cerulean sand yeah, it was
cerulean sand
The flood is messed up
upper star
As for why the gravemind went straight for Earth, gameplay aside, he found out that the portal to the ark was in Earth, and given the weaken state of all the major players at that stage in the war, it was a all or nothing move
gloomy condor
Oh
upper star
Also infecting some random planet isn't going to help the flood as they need intelligent biomass to then get back off quickly. And without backup a joint UNSC/SoS task force could bombard them from orbit and then clean up after
gloomy condor
Ok
quartz willow
@upper star no the reason Jenkins isnt killed is because the infection form that infected him was very old and weak
The gravemind also knew with the little biomass it had it didnt have much if a chance of winning
The gravemind knew he would be destroyed he didnt know when but he know the someone would destroy high Charity whether it be the fleet of retribution or the UNSC with a nova bomb
upper star
@quartz willow that was it couldn't remember why his conversion wasnt total
versed helm
I'm still wondering why the epilogue for Halo Reach jumped to 2589
Like what could've happened in the 2560s,2570s,and early to mid 2580s?
quartz willow
They dont want you to know
And isnt there a comic set in like 26 something about the museum of humanity
I that might be another game but I'm pretty sure its halo
carmine sleet
We'll find out what happened between 2559 and 2589 as they continue to progress the lore
ashen wharf
It’s not cannon but yes there is.
quartz willow
So the museum of Humanity is no longer canon
carmine sleet
Pretty sure that's still canon
unique rune
Museum of Humanity is still canon IIRC
Halo 3's Believe campaign focused on it
but that was in like
2600-something
feral perch
I wonder where people get these ideas.
quartz willow
Ok i was only asking since I'm pretty sure it was in a comic and the halo 3 promotions
ashen wharf
carmine sleet
That has Halo Canon himself confirming it's canon
carmine sleet
A long time, it wasn't just the city that was destroyed, allot of the ground it once stood on was moved or glassed for the Covenant to access the portal
versed helm
I wonder how they're gonna explain the Portal to any ordinary civilian
Or is ONI gonna find ways to quarantine the northern sections of the city
modest marsh
Presumably everyone within visual range had already evacuated hours ago or would’ve been vaporized by the Covenant’s glassing
versed helm
Yeah...but i mean post war
How are they gonna explain the Portal to ordinary civilians or is ONI gonna perform some sort of misinformation campaign
unique rune
I'm pretty sure Voi and its surrounding regions are pretty much inaccessible to civilians.
ONI set up shop there to study the portal, so it's all just behind closed doors.
upper star
@ashen wharf no worries
versed helm
By the way, just to absolutely clarify to everyone who may be confused
Voi and New Mombasa are two entirely different places
I do wonder what could be hidden within the depths of the Portal
Maybe the Audacity?
unique rune
Checking Halopedia... yeah, uh, nope.
The Audacity is off in another galaxy. Probably not gonna have anything to do with the portal.
terse gale
Where's Grey Team tho
peak estuary
so is that new honeybee vehicle canon?
carmine sleet
The Honeybee is canon
carmine sleet
@terse gale Off doing Grey Team stuff was the last we heard at the end of Envoy
terse gale
I don't know anything about them after Cole Protocol
carmine sleet
Ah, I see
modest marsh
Envoy is the only other story they’re in
terse gale
Also, are they even wearing shielded Mark V? In Cole Protocol it never mentions their shields or anything, kinda seems like they don't have any
modest marsh
Too early
carmine sleet
They wore Make IV in Cole Protocol
terse gale
👌
Alright, I'm about to start HW 2 for the first time and get a massive amount of new lore dumped on me, let's gooooooo
This loading screen looks suspiciously like an Ark 
subtle depot
It is
carmine sleet
You'll understand why soon enough
terse gale
Aren't people supposed to be naked in Cryo?
versed helm
chief has his full suit on,in forward unto dawn they had a skin suit on
terse gale
I just remember in Fall of Reach when people thought Chief was nuts for wearing full armor when wearing something as small as a band-aid could leave burns
Hold up, Spirit of Fire was out for 28 YEARS???
carmine sleet
It was
terse gale
Holy hell
carmine sleet
It's a long time to be out of action
terse gale
Man, Red Team is gonna be confused af if they ever see new Spartans 😄
Uh, this Brute is strong af
versed helm
Atriox?
terse gale
Big one with a hammer just took out Red Team singlehandedly
gilded mason
lol
remote spruce
This is the best first reaction for HW2
acoustic slate
I think this was most people reactions
acoustic slate
Red Team and especially Jerome, are nearly on par with Master Cheif and the others of Blue despite being a three man group. If Atriox is using them a punching bag, theirs gonna have to be some large force to take him out
terse gale
Red energy sword?
gilded mason
For maximum edge
last anchor
Scarabs are always big
versed helm
^^^
terse gale
We have mechs???
obsidian thistle
There is a few
And its J variant https://www.halopedia.org/HRUNTING/YGGDRASIL_Mark_I_(J)_ADS
Then there is the Cyclops, Mantis, and Colossus.
gloomy condor
Is that sgt johnson in the Yggdrasil mark 1 (J)?!
gloomy condor
i didnt think johnson could get even more epic
obsidian thistle
Well the "suit" is canon. Johnson in said suit can be debated a lot.
gloomy condor
Well yes i mean hes dead, And its from HW2 but still its cool
ashen wharf
I agree
last anchor
IMO the pilot aid AI for the J variant totally sounds like Johnson.
terse gale
I seem to be on a mission where I'm solo as Alice
quasi zinc
Fun mission
versed helm
i like that Red Team has concrete voice actors now, their original voices were comically gruff
they have really good voices also
did you know the same voice actor for Jerome also does the voice for the Mastodon?
strong sage
And i think scorpions and grizzly are the same i think
carmine sleet
Something I find funny is that Cutter's VA in Halo Wars 2 was the person who played Jerome in Halo Wars 1
warm wigeon
Gideon Emery played Jerome
carmine sleet
He did, then for Halo Wars 2, he was brought back to play Cutter since they couldn't get Cutter's original VA back
warm wigeon
wizard
versed helm
de-aging cutter was indeed a bit disconnecting
but it was something i could overlook, as the actor did a good job
carmine sleet
That's what happens when you go into cryo, you deage or have your armour change completely
carmine sleet
Obviously that isn't actually what happened, cryo can't de-age you but still
I know it's a different actor from Halo Wars 1's Cutter
versed helm
oh, wait. nvm
carmine sleet
I even mentioned that earlier
versed helm
my tabs were backwards
gilded mason
Somebody used Neural Physics on him while he was asleep.
warm wigeon
he shaven after getting out off cryo
quartz willow
Yea in HW he only has a mustache and a very small one at that
strong sage
I missed alice’s voice in Hw1 tbh
It sounds soothing and fits her
The hw2 is good also since it is assaj ventress xD but yeah i like the hw1
versed helm
@terse gale we should play HW2! i love the game
versed helm
Doesn’t Mjolnir automatically translate Sangheili?
versed helm
It's never been confirmed, but it's a good bet the UNSC has a lot of organically integrated translation software.
Case in point - Keyes understanding the chatter of the Guards during CE and The Flood.
Unless he actually had some robust understanding of their language (which is not out of the question) I'd say that's a result of his CNI and comm band.
terse gale
How come Red Team in Halo Wars is Douglas, Alice, and Jerome when Red Team in Fall of Reach was decently large and lead by Fred
versed helm
Red team was changed to have the red team you have now in HW, also Fred is on blue team
versed helm
i know
feral perch
It's not exclusive to any one group, nor is Blue Team.
At least in earlier canon.
By the time of the Fall of Reach, there were two different Red Teams, though one was frozen in cryo.
terse gale
@versed helm Fred was leading Red Team to defend Reach, John led Blue Team to take the "harder" job and kidnap a Prophet
versed helm
no one talks about Green team anymore
modest marsh
That wasn’t what they were doing
They were destroying navigational records on a ship
feral perch
^
terse gale
Was that before they were gonna get a Prophet
Thought nav data mission was way before Red and Blue did Reach stuff
feral perch
Operation: RED FLAG was put on hold due to the fall of Reach.
terse gale
Ah
modest marsh
That was scrapped the second they knew Reach was attacked
fair hazel
modest marsh
And then Chief basically pulled an impromptu assassination mission on the Hierarchs in halo 2
terse gale
Welp, now I gotta dig out my old trilogy and read em again for the 13th time 😄
feral perch
Although Chief did try to convince Sgt. Johnson and the other survivors of Alpha Halo to resume Operation: RED FLAG after they had captured Ascendant Justice, he ultimately realized that it wasn't going to work with one Spartan and a few tired survivors of one of the most bizarre and intense battles of the war.
terse gale
I'm so behind on Halo books, last one I read was Glasslands and the last one I read before that was Ghosts of Onyx. Didn't read the Forerunner ones
terse gale
I'm sure, lol
Silent Storm seems cool, it's back in the early days of the war that I know a helluva lot better than the new stuff 😄
I know basically nothing about what happened after the Covenant fell apart besides the campaigns of Halo 4 and Halo 5
feral perch
Am I the only one who wants to see a follow-up to The Return?
ashen wharf
The only books I read are halo mythos, encyclopedia, and war fleet.
versed helm
you only read those 3? just over and over?
ashen wharf
Mostly play the games
versed helm
where my reach boys at'
ashen wharf
Here
versed helm
probably in #471789476889231371
versed helm
@ashen wharf im just messing with you, you said "I read" instead of "I've read", changing it from past to present tense
versed helm
The Oblivion hype is real tbh
shut bone
question
shut bone
how is it fake
versed helm
because it is? simple
gilded mason
As in, it only exists in that photo
shut bone
i know but how was it faked becasue it seems like a lot of people belive this
versed helm
fake = not real; falsified
shut bone
my bud its 100% convinced it real
versed helm
that's just because people are gullible when it comes to good edits like that
gilded mason
Because some people don't fact check
shut bone
i guess so buthes deep in this rabbit hole
gilded mason
It can be easily verified by just opening up The Fall of Reach and not finding that passage.
shut bone
so did people who have read the book see that this page was from the fall of reach and were able to verify that this was just an edit and was fake?
carmine sleet
The people who have read Fall of Reach wouldn't have seen that page since it does not exist
shut bone
then how did Ostral know that is was from the fall of reach. i dont belive theory if you wanna call it that but i just want the story behind it '
gilded mason
From context, it looks like if it'd appear anywhere, it'd be TFoR
shut bone
ah i see
so someone really just inserted this weird fact about chief into the book
thats odd
gilded mason
Yes, as a joke.
versed helm
It's more a matter of people being dumb enough to believe it.
Well, maybe not dumb. But the sort of person who sees something, immediately latches onto it, and uses it to seem like they know what they're talking about.
Blowhards, really.
No pun intended
It is also worth noting that the first time the SPARTAN IIs donned MJOLNIR armour they were 14.
So it's a joke in exceptionally poor taste too, created by either a creep or someone who really wasn't that familiar with the subject matter.
@shut bone
versed helm
The flood are just hyperactive obesity
clever fable
Yeah you right.
quartz willow
I mean yes
unique rune
well yes but actually no
versed helm
As we know, what's the one thing that obesity does?
If you answered "assimilate raw biomass and neuro-nervous networks", then you win.
humble yacht
Smh
versed helm
I know i said this numerous times but if we did meet an alien race that's not Forerunner,Covenant,or Yonhet...what kind of scenario are we looking at?
the same as any other really
first contact scenario
Not gonna lie but the Yonhet just look ridiculous af
Like a cheesy looking Star Trek alien
gilded mason
I think that is a very common sentiment
versed helm
i mean, not like aliens cant look like that tbf
most alien visuals are derived from one inspiration or another. that alien visual's not unique but not outlandish either depending on their homeworld
True
Plus we don't have that much info on the Yonhet other than what we already have
yeah
there could also be multiple phenotypes
that we havent seen
I want to know more about their history prior to their contact with the Covenant
Like they were one of many sentient races that were indexed by the Lifeworkers
i just want to see a precursor in its original state in the game itself
like, the sheer scale and visual
the Primordial's form on I-07 was 15m tall and 13m wide-ish
I get the feeling that it would be too hard to comprehend
Like their original form
what, like staring into an eldritch abyss?
delving your mind into madness?
Probably
i mean, we already have the flood
the Primordial looked like a sea scorpion somewhat
I want to know more about the location where it was found
flood are just biologically corrupt precursors
I also like to find out the identity of the race that attacked Crecka in the System of Miasmic Giants
When those ancient human scientists asked the Primordial about the Flood and the answers they received were so horrifying that most of the committed suicide...i do wonder,what did the Primordial say that was so horrifying?
considering the fact it was actively using the flood to cull the forerunner for revenge
versed helm
Gameplay purposes
Also the flood can selectively choose what to integrate
If they knew they were going to attack it’d be wise to leave them so they could become combat forms
Because once infected the body starts to degrade and decay eventually becoming an ineffective combat form
limpid kernel
hmm thsts makes sense
obsidian thistle
Also some "bodies" were recent and were just not infected yet.
If I recall thats a point mentioned in Envoy.
versed helm
@limpid kernel Actually, if you look very carefully at the choreography of the cutscene where the Flood break out, you can rationalize it around only the first 3 Brutes being infected and only infection forms remaining in high charity.
Presupposing, of course, that all infection forms - from lil' pod infectors to big hulking spawner forms - can survive a Halo's pulse if they're not hit with solvent.
Basically, my idea is that the first brute was turned into a combat form to distract the brutes outside, and the other two were fed to the spawner, bathed in that horrible glowy stuff and turned into the first two keymind war forms you see.
Then, throughout the fight scene that follows, the brutes that get dragged off are also turned into additional keymind war forms.
And the infection continues from there.
frail halo
Since Forerunner and Covenant weapons don’t have any triggers on them how do they work?
versed helm
That's a mystery. I think "firing studs" have been mentioned in the books.
Maybe it's some kinda grav-trigger xD
frail halo
Idk but I heard you need to squeeze the handle to fire the weapons
versed helm
That's very possible. It would be difficult to aim, though, since the tensing of your wrist would cause the weapon to move slightly.
Perhaps, because the trigger mechanism is designed for Sangheili fingers, what they see as pulling a trigger is more akin to squeezing for a smaller race?
remote spruce
wait Envoy mentions that?
anyway i assumed that the bodies were backup food, flood aren't good at refrigerating though
ashen wharf
Nah they were making a gravemind if you talking about halo 1. Did not here full conversation.
feral perch
There is some confusion about Keyminds and Graveminds.
First, a Keymind was essentially a super-Gravemind, and definitely came after the Gravemind had been established.
Now, they can be developed before a Gravemind, take various forms, and serve as, iirc, mobile command centers?
versed helm
My way of looking at it is that a Keymind is any form capable of sustaining command and control capabilities for The Flood.
The Gravemind is a more existential concept that manifests either as a sort of "personality" when a Keymind or network of Keyminds reaches sufficient complexity.
On an even more existential level, it's a non-physical entity that assumes control of The Flood through sufficiently complex Keymind networks.
I think the most important distinction - just on an observational basis, mind, so not necessarily canon - is that a Keymind requires the assimilation of neuro-nervous networks (aka, sentient hosts, their brains and their smart bits) whereas other "simple" forms (basically just infection forms, from spores to pods to larger "spawner forms") can be composed of pure, raw biomass itself.
In this conceptualization, I imagine the classic combat form as a stepping stone on the Keymind evolutionary path - a method of transporting nuero-nervous networks to Keymind formations in addition to serving as a quick'n'easy shock and awe vanguard on preliminary infection.
They would absolutely be replaced almost entirely by a myriad of pure forms as the localized infection takes shape into a more evolved Flood ecosystem.
This does, however, raise questions about the nature of pure forms themselves. I suspect that, on a functional level, they're similar to infection forms (which in and of themselves are pure forms), but their more advanced combat capacity requires the neuro-physical connection of an advanced Keymind, whereas infection forms are capable of operating simply on the basis of the raw, uniform impulse of the FSC that constitutes them.
feral perch
And yet, Master Chief can still put down a Flood tank with a couple of melee attacks to its mouth.
versed helm
Master Chief's punches can also move fast enough to knock a high-velocity ATGM out of flight.
That's a lot of kinetic force xD
Very under-represented in-game. See Halo Wars 2, where Jerome punches an Elite across the room after boarding the Enduring Conviction.
feral perch
I still want to know how Locke just shrugged off having a BR85 broken across his faceplate in Halo 5.
Chief shattered it on his face.
versed helm
- Chief probably didn't want to kill another Spartan.
- a BR85's structural integrity isn't nearly as high as a MJOLNIR faceplate.
Take your pick, I guess. Or both xD
feral perch
Eh. The fight wasn't very well choreographed, so I'll chalk it up to that.
versed helm
it very much is not wanting to harm his allies
he may have an agenda, but he still values soldiers and allies
fair hazel
Have you ever had a fight with someone who's your friend when you're on the same side but disagree with things?
fair hazel
Do you go all out, or hold back
versed helm
i can 100% attest you dont want to hurt them
fair hazel
also its nice detail seeing the battle rifle being smashed
versed helm
like, it always irritates me when people complain about that choreography for the scene.
yes, they could move a lot faster, but they're not actually trying to kill or injure each other
feral perch
Seeing Chief getting kicked multiple times and letting his head bob up and down stupidly was
stupid
feral perch
I'm not the greatest Spartan-II alive.
feral perch
he is tho
versed helm
dont forget he's average in terms of overall performance
he has his luck, and leadership
feral perch
His accomplishments far outweigh any other Spartan.
Except maybe Kurt.
Spartan-II
Noble Six comes close.
versed helm
and people would still make a fuss that it was "bad writing" if he and kelly were to race, because he would lose
yeah, no
feral perch
Kelly didn't save humanity.
gilded mason
I was gonna say.
versed helm
and as of late, atriox
versed helm
humanity wouldnt have stood a chance without those defections
feral perch
We were talking about Spartans.
versed helm
yes, but he didnt objectively save humanity on his own
gilded mason
humanity wouldnt have stood a chance without those defections
Why would Atriox's decisions matter?
versed helm
they were fighting the covenant as well
gilded mason
Just doing small hit and run tactics
versed helm
hard to keep a military focused on 3 different powers at once
feral perch
Do I have to spell everything out to be absolutely technically correct?
I know this is lore and universe, but come on.
gilded mason
Like, not really much of a front
versed helm
but either way.
a human getting kicked by a normal human, just normal. that kick can generate roughly 1100lbs/psi in force
add on mjolnir and augmentations
doesnt matter how accomplished you are
feral perch
My opinion on the fight is that everything should have been faster but not necessarily rougher. Spartans operate at much higher speeds than other personnel. I don't think either of them should have taken as many blows as they did - it should have been a flurry of blocks, with a couple of decisive blows at the end.
feral perch
Not necessarily.
versed helm
the faster you go, the more kinetic energy is built up
feral perch
They would have learned to control, that is, to hold the attacks. Reach your destination but pull your punch.
versed helm
if you hit something that inertia will flow right into whatever you hit
feral perch
They didn't have to let it go all the way through.
There's still a difference between letting the force go and pulling it.
versed helm
similar to the time chief bruised his wrist when donning MJOLNIR for the first time
spartans arent trained to "pull punches" at full speed
feral perch
I don't think it's that big of a stretch.
Both were experienced warriors.
Their Mjolnir, shields and body conditioning would have also balanced out increased speed of attacks. I just think everything should have looked faster by default.
And they should have been more effective at blocking one another's attacks.
versed helm
shields run on FOF Tags iirc
when no hostiles are in the vicinity, or something like that
VISR does have a dedicated AI operating it
which integrates into the suit
versed helm
By the way
Chief is absolutely the greatest Spartan alive, just in terms of what he's done.
He's survived odds that other Spartans have yet to come against - sure, he's lucky. I think he's also probably a tactical savant.
stoic hamlet
Ehh, “great” is subjective
He’s only really “great” because of the final months of the war, otherwise he’s average.
His achievements, while exceptional, were very much not really all that helpful in the grand scheme of things before Halo.
Compared to say, Kurt, who’s actions training the Spartan III’s have humanity at least another decade, if not a few years more.
Granted they’re different scenarios but still.
Not to discredit John, but without Halo his contributions weren’t really relevant big picture wise
remote spruce
He can't carry more than 3 clips for the battle rile >: (
versed helm
you also have to consider Omega Team and Red Team, the Rest of Blue team. even Naomi
Thom and Lucy from Gamma company
each are great in their respective scenarios
so yeah, "great" is heavily subjective
stoic hamlet
Gammas are best fite me
upper star
Fight
However I agree with @stoic hamlet, though MC has accomplished some exceptional tasks which did help the war. First strike and CE in particular. I wouldn't say he is the greatest. Both of his most notable achievements were helped by others, in first strike other Spartans. Situations unfolded to give him the spotlight but he isn't the greatest.
blissful tinsel
Noble 6 was "better" in my opinion
split echo
I think that the arbiter was on reach
In the end of Halo Reach, there is a scene where your character is trying to fight off the elites. But at the end of that scene, there is an energy sword being activated right in front of the screen and is held with the left hand. Only the Arbiter holds an energy sword with the left hand. I hope that gets you thinking, It's just my assumption.
autumn urchin
he was following the pillar of autumn when n6 died. its not him.
humble yacht
Thel never set foot on reach. He stuck to orbital bombardments and blockades. Then left Reach to chase the pillar of autumn.
split echo
But isn't the arbiter the only one who carries the energy sword with his left hand
humble yacht
No
autumn urchin
he is right handed in some cutscenes too
split echo
ok
feral perch
I don't think someone's achievements (i.e. Chief's) ought to be discounted because they received help from others. I could say Kurt's achievements aren't that impressive for his personal record because he he received help from Mendez, and because without Ackerson he would never have done anything with Spartan-IIIs.
autumn urchin
? why was that deleted
remote spruce
when has arby ever been left handed anyway?
feral perch
Canonically he is. Gameplay-wise, he's not. Afaik.
limpid kernel
i thought it was a different arbiter thats left handed
but this makes me wonder
if chief isnt that unique of the spartans aside from luck, why was he at the rank master chief
split echo
Lol, Halo lore is very interesting.
versed helm
What other races did the Forerunners fight besides ancient humanity,the flood and the ancient san'shyuum and the precursors?
feral perch
Fred-104 holds a higher rank than Chief @limpid kernel
limpid kernel
oh
feral perch
But Chief is still the de facto leader of Blue Team
versed helm
And IIRC,weren't the Forerunners known for wiping out races that tick them off
terse gale
Why did Atriox raid human bases and steal their stuff but never use any of it? I haven't seen Grunts tossing frag grenades or anything in HW 2
carmine sleet
They don't use it in that way, they use the materials to make more weapons and armour for the Banished
terse gale
Ah
sturdy fjord
What if we went back to reach in halo 6 ????
gilded mason
Why?
gilded mason
Not really, no.
sturdy fjord
I’m sorry but if 6 never did what he did then I don’t think master chief would be alive right now
gilded mason
Eh.
sturdy fjord
Anyway
radiant sphinx
That's too much fan service
especially for that reason
Going to Reach for the forerunner artifact on the other hand...
gilded mason
Yup. It's a cliche at this point.
fair hazel
'd like to go back to reach... with Rho 'Baratum, to get the location of maethrillian
gilded mason
with Rho 'Baratum
👌 👌
humble yacht
Feel like that info should be in the transport log of Installation 07
feral perch
I'd like a follow-up to the short story The Return
dreamy tulip
Didn't they find cutter buoy thing
last anchor
Well SOEMONE did, just not the UNSC
warm wigeon
who exactly
last anchor
Rion Forge and her crew
terse gale
How did Cortana translate Regret's hologram for everybody listening in on coms at the beginning of the mission Regret, I know how she does it for Chief but as far as I'm aware she isn't connected to anyone else. Did she just broadcast it to the ship?
versed helm
All UNSC troops on the ground and in orbit are connected to the battlenet.
terse gale
That's what I figured
versed helm
Yeah.
terse gale
Also, how does she broadcast herself to Covenant hologram terminals without touching them
versed helm
You mean on High Charity?
Basically, she got into the station's systems - it would seem that all the holotanks are connected to the same system, so once Chief accessed the first one she stayed in there.
terse gale
She did it at the beginning of Regret too
And just hopped on the hologram terminal Regret was talking from in the ruins
versed helm
That is a very interesting question.
terse gale
She can do that but Chief has to physically touch the bomb in the first mission for her to stop the timer
versed helm
Well, I'm guessing there's a difference between an extremely powerful antimatter charge's systems and the ones of a display holotank, so a wireless tap in that situation isn't out of the question.
Something like the difference between accessing a smart TV and the circuitry of a nuke, y'know?
terse gale
Also, how come Chief just had to touch the bomb and not plug her chip in
versed helm
Mark VI upgrades, evidently.
hello
Hey.
Anyway, in truth, I doubt either the antimatter charge or the holotank actually had the processing power to sustain the complete AI matrix of Cortana herself.
More likely, in either instance however she accessed the device, she simply sent in a purpose-built subroutine. One to diffuse the bomb, and the other to play out a likely pre-calculated holographic display to go along with her words. Just for the sake of emphasis, I guess - she does seem to have Halsey's sense of grandiosity.
She wouldn't reside in those smaller devices in the same way she'd reside in a battleship, or a suit of MJOLNIR (thanks to the crystal data-storage layer), or High Charity itself.
modest marsh
Well
Chief does transfer her to High Charity without physically planting her with a chip
There’s evidently limited wireless transfer capabilities
versed helm
hello
modest marsh
I mean, she accesses Halo’s control terminal by jumping from the chip
versed helm
The impression I get is that she transferred to High Charity through Chief's gauntlet.
versed helm
Which wouldn't exactly be wireless in a the truest sense, just on-contact. Though she certainly has some wireless capability.
Yeah, exactly.
modest marsh
I had the amusing thought of Chief having Cortana hack into a robot by high fiving it
versed helm
It's certainly a possibility xD
Chief would deliver very crisp, calculated high-fives.
Scary to think that he could slam his palm into yours with such force that your arm would probably entirely detach.
modest marsh
Since we’re on the subject, I do find it odd that seemingly a good number of people are under the impression it’s within AI capability to just “hack” things haphazardly whenever and however they want
I’ll use Red vs Blue as an example
You have Epsilon making guns less accurate near instantaneously in a microsecond as if to say that’s something feasible or consistent with the halo universe
When I don’t really recall AI ever being that proactive in a combat setting, at least when piggybacking a Spartan
versed helm
I don't really follow RvB much anymore, but it sounds like the way to rationalize that situation would be that this "Epsilon" managed to get in through the smart-link connection between said soldier and their weapon.
In Halo proper, one can assume that the number-one thing the person who designed smart-link wanted was that it couldn't be vulnerable to any kind of outside access.
modest marsh
Well they already had the weapon aimed and were about to fire at point blank range
versed helm
Well I mean, it's RvB
modest marsh
I know, just illustrating an example
last anchor
RvB follows no Halo canon. If they did, Freelancer would never have made it past stage 2, and Church wold have joined Halsey in the black out research divisions, assuming they didnt sent Maya Sankar or SURGEON to...liquidate him.
For the smart link thing, I agree with Grim
obsidian thistle
RvB aint canon. Nor is it close to any canon as it breaks more stuff than helps.
Still is impressive its lasted that long however.
last anchor
Longest running machinima series in history, longest running INTERNET series in history, and one of the cornerstones of the Halo fan work stuff.
Spawned great directors, great fans, and helped keep Halo alive
I may not like the series too much anymore due to canon divergence, but I still respect RT for making a quality product and for keeping us all entertained
carmine sleet
Honestly, it's kinda crazy how long Red Vs Blue has lasted. Most similar shows normally ended a long time before they reach this point
last anchor
Helps that the company was run by competent people, had a good time to start, and was then bought by AT&T
cedar moth
Rvb was never apart of the company machinima
carmine sleet
Nobody brought up Machinma the company
cedar moth
I don't think rooster teeth was bought by at$t
carmine sleet
They were bought by Fullscreen, then they got bought by Otter Media, which in turn is owned by AT and T
cedar moth
Oh
carmine sleet
And then Machinima shut down recently and all their stuff is now distributed by Rooster Teeth
cedar moth
Oh
last anchor
And people are putting the old stuff that Machinima had grips on back up on Youtube.
So we got alllll the good stuff back
cedar moth
Like arby n the chief
carmine sleet
And Inside Gaming is back with its creators too
carmine sleet
But this conversation has strayed far from Halo lore so I think it's best we return to what this channel is intended for
modest marsh
@last anchor never said it was canon, but they do closely follow stuff/are heavily inspired by the specifics and mechanics of the halo universe
All of the freelancer equipment an AI is ripped straight out of halo one way or another
last anchor
Pretty much, yeah
astral belfry
Rvb is still a good show and even if the story rn no longer makes sense the jokes in it are fantastic
stoic hamlet
Though it’s not canon it does have elements of canon thrown in. Chorus for example is a scenario that could feasibly happen in canon.
At least the vague outlines of it.
warm wigeon
who is watching season 17
hollow brook
versed helm
So i'm still trying to wrap my head around the idea of the Precursors
So the Precursors are basically gods,am i right?
feral perch
Pretty much. I suppose they have similar baselines to the Greek myths.
Powerful, but imperfect beings.
They did end up becoming the Flood, after all.
versed helm
I do wonder whatever became of those star roads and other Precursor artifacts that were in slipspace transit when the Halo Array was fired
Can the pulse of the Halo Array even affect objects that are in slipspace?
feral perch
I believe so.
gilded mason
Can the pulse of the Halo Array even affect objects that are in slipspace?
Don't think so. Use of slipspace bubbles is how Shield Worlds were protected from the array.
feral perch
Hm.
terse gale
How come there aren't any female Elites on the front lines
feral perch
Sangheili culture has well-defined gender roles. The females are the nurturers and aristocrats; the males, the warriors and military leaders.
gilded mason
I imagine some ministries or organizations had front-line female Elites available, but many of them tended to stay at their homes to take care of other logistical or political matters.
terse gale
And why aren't Hunters given more creative bodies to work with? Four legged ones with multiple weapons on em would be way better than bipedal ones
obsidian thistle
Note females did see battle or were on the frontlines. But we never face them in game. (Grunts can be debated as its been described that to the untrained eye both genders look similar)
feral perch
There was the one in Shadow of Intent.
gilded mason
And why aren't Hunters given more creative bodies to work with? Four legged ones with multiple weapons on em would be way better than bipedal ones
Like Scarabs? 😉
obsidian thistle
Halo Wars 2 also expanded their roles also.
Halo 4 also had Harvesters
Harvesters having 6 legs
terse gale
When the sweet and salty hell were those a thing
I played through H4 three or four times, I think I'd remember those ugly-ass things 😂
@gilded mason Scarabs are Hunters???
terse gale
When tho? I played through Spartan Ops and don't remember those
fair hazel
episode 6, episode 10, and episode i forgot, maybe nine or eight
obsidian thistle
You know the level with the Covie structure you can enter.
That structure was actually a vehicle called the Harvester
fair hazel
familiar?
terse gale
Well hell, now I gotta play those again
gilded mason
Scarabs are Hunters???
Ye
feral perch
You can see the worms at their vulnerable point in Halo 3 and ODST.
It kinda seems like the Halo 2 Scarab was purely machine. Considering that Johnson was able to control it.
I could be quite wrong though.
obsidian thistle
The Halo 2 one hasnt been described in nearly as much detail as the Type-47B
feral perch
I realized it looks like a flea
obsidian thistle
Kinda wish we knew more. However I do guess it might have Lekgolo inside it. But thats due to that 1 Halo 2 MP map with it trying to get up but failing. https://www.halopedia.org/Type-47A_Scarab
feral perch
It could be dedicated machinery. It would be more interesting if it were some kind of special AI, despite the Covenant's prohibition of AI, rather than Lekgolo
When I say dedicated, I mean that as an adjective describing spirit rather than purpose. It was dedicated to continuing its goal.
shrug
obsidian thistle
With a lack of info. It be a mystery. But hey its still cool.
versed helm
Also...who the hell is the warden eternal anyways?
gilded mason
Nobody knows.
feral perch
So many unanswered questions.
Bonnie Ross did say she could see Halo going on for 30+ years, so there's plenty of time to get answers. Or introduce new questions.
versed helm
That's another thing,how are they gonna make Halo last for 30+ years?
feral perch
We're almost twenty years in.
obsidian thistle
Same way Star Wars, Doctor Who, so on lasted for so long
feral perch
Another ten years isn't so much of a stretch.
We'll get Halo: CEA Anniversary in 2021, and....
kek
obsidian thistle
Well technically speaking Halo is already 20.
Actually going though my records I can actually say 21 by pure record sake.
versed helm
Are they gonna do it by comics,books,games,etc?
feral perch
all of the above I suspect
obsidian thistle
If the TV show does well. It will do a lot to keeping stuff going
feral perch
We've got Halo Infinite coming in a year or so, and all the post-game support that comes with that. Plus, the TV show, spin-off games, books, competitive Halo...
There's a lot.
And MCC looks like it'll be a sort of contemporary to all the new Halo games coming out, a companion if you will. And a main game for those who don't like the new stuff.
obsidian thistle
I am just glad the wikis united so recording all this wont be a split effort. XD
terse gale
Speaking of Covenant AI, why was there one in First Strike
Cortana kinda wrecked it but I definitely wasn't expecting one
And there were never any others mentioned afterwards
obsidian thistle
Kinda a mystery those AI are tbh.
The Seeker, the TaR, and AJ AI are like just there.
However
There is very strong links that they may be repurposed Human AI
terse gale
The First Strike one was rude, lol. It kept calling her a heretic
Oof
Cortana didn't recognize the AJ's AI coding tho
terse gale
Everything in First Strike was "familiar" to her or John randomly, I just thought that meant it had Forerunner stuff in it 😄
RIP AJ and its half-working guns Cortana kept experimenting with, lol
versed helm
hello
versed helm
and how are players?
terse gale
?
gilded mason
Do you have a lore question, Soy?
versed helm
how are you??
terse gale
How did the Covenant operate massive-ass ships so effectively without AI