how do women become marines?
#lore-and-universe
humble yacht
unique rune
given that the ODSTs are all volunteers from different branches of the UNSC
I'd assume they maintain the same standards regardless of gender and whatnot
humble yacht
safe assumption
strong sage
No offence here
Sorry about that question fam ;-;
I’ll just stay low for now and hide on meh corner
modest marsh
Halo is fictional and largely avoids any assumed disparity between male and female warfighters within the context of humanity
After all it’s based partly on films such Starship Troopers and Aliens in which women stand shoulder to shoulder with men in high risk infantry combat roles and seem equally competent
upper star
Question, how would people feel if in Halo infinite you can be assinated by the AI
An elite clutching you at the neck and lifting you up as it drives its energy sword through you and then tossing you aside. Or a Brute taking your legs out and then bringing its hammer down straight on your torso. Even better a grunt knee checking you, then double fist punching you in the chest, to lastly repeatedly happy jump on your head screaming 'I am a demon stomper'
This could happen in both campaign and multiplayer
humble yacht
supple salmon
What?
I typed a whole paragraph and then it got delete due to language but I said nothing foul?
gilded mason
Did you say the name of the ship featured in Halo 4 and 5?
versed helm
what a ghastly word
carmine sleet
It's to prevent people from putting spoilers for an upcoming film
humble yacht
some words are temporarily filtered until after Endgame
gilded mason
lol you got filtered, Chimera
feral perch
Haha, I see
supple salmon
Hmm okay
versed helm
Metal man takes on big grape
Find out what happens next by watching mervel hero group finale on April 26th
Word filter has nothin on me
hallow oyster
Big grape man 1v1s big metal guy on Rust
versed helm
who do you guys think is the AI in infinite?
humble yacht
I don't think everything in that teaser is going to be represented in the final product
last anchor
I mean why not use this sweet new engine for other stuff
humble yacht
baby steps
versed helm
I mean
It was officially said on the MCC on PC stream that we would be seeing more of Halo Infinite at E3.
As I recall.
Closing remarks from Sketch.
simple locust
Who was Snickerdoodle on Waypoint?
remote spruce
A misplaced yankee
dusk dove
versed helm
i wonder what memes are like in Halo
simple locust
I imagine humans must use them to criticize non-humans.
versed helm
i would just call the sangheili split lips
dusk dove
@simple locust answer @ripe sage
versed helm
or i’d call Rtas half split lip
stoic hamlet
Still a split lip
versed helm
once a split lip, always a split lip
stoic hamlet
Yup
dusk dove
i wonder if they raided Moa Burger King
versed helm
i feel reach should have that easter egg
stoic hamlet
Well, no one eats moa now
dusk dove
rip
versed helm
shhhhh
stoic hamlet
They killed all the birbs
versed helm
@dusk dove do you know something we don’t about an elite raid?
dusk dove
👀
stoic hamlet
Except for the best birbs, the kig-yar
dusk dove
dusk dove
simple locust
A friend of mine was just wondering.
versed helm
@ripe sage
ripe sage
it took you THAT long and the best you can come up with was "my friend"
pressxtodoubt.meme
versed helm
^^
versed helm
i have that spartan time 😉
ripe sage
versed helm
he was typing for like 4 minutes
stoic hamlet
@dusk dove that’s 🔥
dusk dove
you're 🔥
versed helm
or just endangered
stoic hamlet
Awww bb
remote spruce
Will Karl Five ever not be the bait in multiplayer again?
dusk dove
i'm upset more than three people know "karl five"
stoic hamlet
I’m guessing extinct unless some were exported off Reach
dusk dove
@ripe sage
versed helm
i’m sure they existed on other planets
dusk dove
was that your doing
unique rune
oh hey Karl's here
stoic hamlet
We don’t know how adaptable they are to different climates
ripe sage
@simple locust you can't waltz in, ask that, disappear, answer DMs, and then the best you got is, "my friend"
what's the real answer so i know what to tell snickerdoodle
stoic hamlet
^^^^^
versed helm
i want the moa in infinite 😣 @ripe sage
stoic hamlet
Seconded
white cairn
Sup I'm new here recently discovered how awesome this game really is and I would like to hang with others who like halo
dusk dove
make them rideable like tauntaun in battlefront
remote spruce
That Waypoint thread is still memorable just for that typo
stoic hamlet
I too would like the moa
versed helm
hi @white cairn
dusk dove
any time i start styling in halo i'm known as OpTicKarl
stoic hamlet
Welcome! @white cairn
versed helm
what would you like to know @white cairn
stoic hamlet
How in-depth is your knowledge of the lore?
white cairn
Oh I kept my name from my other PFL chat
versed helm
@white cairn you’ll want to look in the LFG channels
#471747516258320385, #471745803740905492, etc etc
remote spruce
Honestly guys I think Tornado Gun may be real this time.
versed helm
basically halo history class
stoic hamlet
Halo debate club
versed helm
^^
dusk dove
y'all remember the actual tornado gun in metal gear solid 4
versed helm
never lied
white cairn
I will go check the other chat room and catch up on lore
versed helm
this is the lore place
stoic hamlet
Ye
versed helm
if you have any questions or statements etc about lore
stoic hamlet
This is the spot
ripe sage
yes but not right now
versed helm
don’t listen to @stoic hamlet tho
ripe sage
we're waiting on @simple locust
versed helm
oh?
ripe sage
shh
stoic hamlet
D:
versed helm
ahhhhahaha
ripe sage
y'all think i'm joking. really wanna know.
versed helm
is he not answering you dms?
remote spruce
Well I'm scared now
stoic hamlet
Not to be rude, or anything but isn’t there a better place for this?
versed helm
@ripe sage
stoic hamlet
DM’s, #general-chat etc
versed helm
i means, samus is 343, he really can do whatever
stoic hamlet
Fair
unique rune
*she
versed helm
shoot **
ripe sage
i'ma mute you all until someone answers.
simple locust
He just wanted to know specific reasons why he was banned from Waypoint 5 years ago as he was bewildered why. He will be on either later today or tomorrow. Again sorry for asking this in a lore section.
ripe sage
"who is snickerdoodle" =/= "why was i banned" but okay.
humble yacht
Eh, I can see the connection
remote spruce
bruh 5 years ago....actually wait that's when the forums were updated and ban reasons were defaulted
humble yacht
what's the friend's GT?
remote spruce
One of the best parts about Waypoint was Viper criticizing Reach's story and saying "farm carts" at least 3 times.
versed helm
^^!!!
stoic hamlet
Is there a link to that? I’m all nostalgic now
versed helm
halo reach fails of the week anyone?
stoic hamlet
Those were good
Anyone remember that one where a guy suicided by a ricochet into the skybox?
remote spruce
I remember first reading it in bungie.net, so to see him use it again was funny
https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/db05ce78845f4120b062c50816008e5d/topics/why-the-halo-novels-should-be-made-non-canon/79f69d86-b589-4332-8369-7aa6e10763c5/posts
violet geyser
were there any humans that believed in the great journey
carmine sleet
Some might have but if they tried to join the Covenant, they would've been killed by them and in post-war, it's not really like they could truly do anything about it
That said, the religious movement of the Triad, formed by Dasc Gevadim, does have some similarities to the belief of the Great Journey in that you "transcend", but unlike the Great journey, you transcend by linking your three lives (Which the Triad believes everyone has)
boreal bane
Welcome :)
ruby dock
Thanks!
violet geyser
IMO Halo Legends: Homecoming is one of the best stories I've seen in the halo lore
that one and Babysitter
versed helm
do the UNSC have portable shileds or anything like that, im not talking about the forerunner hard light shield or armor lock like I'm basically talking about a riot shield kind of thing
@ me if you respond to thag
humble yacht
that’s forerunner tech. Not UNSC tech
modest marsh
What?
humble yacht
Also he’s more interested in a physical shield
modest marsh
Also I’m dumb, he said riot shield
What significance does the technology’s origin have to do with his question though
humble yacht
“Does UNSC have” sounds to me like he’s interested in what they’ve made, not what they’ve picked up off the battlefield
A marine can pick up a plasma rifle but it doesn’t mean the UNSC “has” plasma rifles
versed helm
^^^^
modest marsh
Bubble grenades are UNSC made
You’re thinking of the shield generators dropped by Brutes
The starry night trailer and that one comic from TFS is what I’m referring to
humble yacht
Most people associate “bubble shield” with the original forerunner device, not the reverse-engineered UNSC equivalent
versed helm
@humble yachts knowledge makes me question my existence
Who was the first place to get attacked by the Covenant? (Corbulo or Harvest?)
humble yacht
sounds like a question for halopedia
carmine sleet
Harvest. Corbulo happened about a year after
humble yacht
:p
gilded mason
He was declared KIA, so they'd be right.
versed helm
how is he declared KIA when he’s in the infinite trailer?
gilded mason
Declared
carmine sleet
Indeed, so while he is officially seen as KIA by humanity, he's still about and kicking as of the end of Halo 5 and a bit after
humble yacht
Chief being declared KIA was to prevent people from thinking he caused the destruction at Meridian
also to thwart suspicions that the UNSC was hunting him
feral perch
I'm reading the final chapters of Fall of Reach again. I did not remember that Sgt. Johnson wasn't even on the Pillar of Autumn at the beginning of RED FLAG. Chief rescued him from Gamma Station.
And Jenkins, poor Jenkins... He was better off staying on Gamma.
modest marsh
@humble yacht by that notion any form of energy shielding doesn’t qualify
That’s not something that the UNSC had before the Covenant showed up
carmine sleet
The person was asking for stuff like riot shields used by modern day police, not anything relating to energy shields
versed helm
When I say shield I mean like riot shield kind of thing
humble yacht
I wouldn’t be surprised if the UNSC or law enforcement had futuristic riot shield
But I bet they’d be ineffective as defense against covenant, which is why we don’t see them
versed helm
Well okay so like the shield barricades in the games I think mainly Halo reach had them idk about the others but those were able to stop plasma from going through so like that but carryable
stoic hamlet
That’s gameplay though
Even if it stopped plasma the heat would melt the metal, then you’re just carrying around a heap of slag
humble yacht
It could be that those shield barricades were only effective because they weren't portable
fair hazel
He unsc does produce bubble shield though.
The mega construx cyclops has like a riot shield I think
Police cyclope
feral perch
Mega construx is canon right?
last anchor
It is
Also the feild manual mentions Spartans can deploy with portable sheild generation systems as part of the defensive tactical speciality
humble yacht
sounds like deployable cover
versed helm
Is the reason why there are no flood grunt combat forms in halo because their too dumb?
carmine sleet
No, they just aren't as useful as combat forms opposed to other races. Plus they make a great source of biomass when the Flood are forming Proto-Graveminds and Graveminds
versed helm
Eh
True
Unless the flood want to launch a warthog into space...
i want to launch a warthog into space
i dont see why the flood wouldnt want to either
im pretty sure the flood have some sort of personality when not attempting propagation of the species
humble yacht
Fun isn't something one considers when devouring the universe
versed helm
if there's nothing to do but wait, then they do something, even before beginning their hibernation periods
Lmao
vague scroll
The Flood has a very vivid imagination that amounts to Saturday morning cartoons on repeat
feral perch
??
versed helm
@vague scroll so you're saying that Warframe is in the flood's imagination, and they view it from the Infested's point of view?
but this thought intrigues me, what does the gravemind do to pass time. millennia arent small increments of time
vague scroll
he writes haikus using languages acquired in his many generations of assimilating entire alien civilizations
versed helm
What?
versed helm
Why?
ripe sage
i literally just told you.
ripe sage
k
well you don't get a vote so
sorry not sorry that people want to avoid spoilers for a major movie
¯_(ツ)_/¯
ripe sage
keep it up and you're not gonna be happy.
versed helm
WHY???
ripe sage
you can handle it for a week.
versed helm
I've never been on a server where you can't talk about a ship
We are doing this to prevent any early spoilers for the latest movie
versed helm
What movie?
versed helm
THE SUPER HERO ONE
ripe sage
i LITERALLY told you already
versed helm
ripe sage
stop.
versed helm
It’s only the largest film coming out this year
No biggie
Shouldn't that be in general?
ripe sage
gee idk
you weren't the one that had to cleanup spoilers from 15 channels
i was
so
no
versed helm
🤦
ripe sage
it's global.
versed helm
Lore is where you discuss lore
You’d think that
But other people think otherwise
So we have the temporary filter in place
ripe sage
i'm sure you didn't read it the first time i said it because you don't seem to read what i say but it's only for a week.
you can work around it.
versed helm
So guys, about the colony of Forerunner outside of the Milky Way. nice peaceful life without technology amirite?
The UNSC longboi will not explode in a week
You’ll be fine
This is so stupid
ripe sage
!mute @versed helm 7d
rocky totemBOT
Warboss Skullcrusha#2432 was muted
vague scroll
From an outside perspective looking in, I swear this is the second time I've seen people not comprehend the reason for the omitted words filter after it was clearly stated the first time
ripe sage
well i'm glad someone understood lol
versed helm
it's happened a lot more than that
it was obviously stated, not only twice, but thrice
Alright well it’s wrapped up now
vague scroll
true, I just mean I saw someone earlier in general chat the other day in the same circumstance almost word for word I think
yeah, I'll stop discussing it now
versed helm
either way. back to lore ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Anyone know how Spartans have so much energy if they never have to eat
metabolic conversion rate
vague scroll
I assume they still have to eat...but they also spend a lot of time in armor, is the armor good at managing their metabolism?
versed helm
nah, it lies with their augments
vague scroll
plus, they do have the IVs on those extreme dietary regimes
even if Buck claims he could eat a pure tree
modest marsh
They carry nutrition supplements
unique rune
but what if the real reason is that their blood has actually been replaced entirely with 5 Hour Energy
vague scroll
kek
versed helm
reminds me of the 500 hour energy photoshop
modest marsh
Glasslands describes it as a big brown bar that tastes awful
versed helm
Yeah but like
vague scroll
pure vitamin supplements do taste awful
versed helm
If you use X amount of energy, you’re going to lose X amount of energy
modest marsh
It’s caloric as well
versed helm
@modest marsh good to see Cliff Bars havent changed in 500 years
:^ )
There’s no you do X but only burn Y energy
versed helm
cliff bars are some of the better tasting bars tbf
modest marsh
I don’t mind protein flavor stuff tbh
vague scroll
i prefer fiber bars, protein bars have never been something I enjoyed
protein shakes if made the right way taste pretty good though
versed helm
all fiber is, is cellulose
i've eaten grass that tastes better than a lot of protein bars
vague scroll
lol
versed helm
relevance?
river tulip
absolutely none
vague scroll
TMI
versed helm
#general-chat then plzthx
river tulip
ok
vague scroll
i'd think shot records would be one of those things you'd want to keep private imo
even if its just a regular shot injection or what not
versed helm
So far i've got the height and sleep-cycle thing down, just gotta work on metabolism
vague scroll
Do you guys think Parangosky is simply retired, or has she already passed away by 2558?
fair hazel
they probably have the fat too to sustain it?
remote spruce
Big Maggie probably took a nap when she saw the Guardians
hidden blade
Is there a female spartan that is greek, hispanic, middle eastern, or just any type of tanner skin color?
remote spruce
Does implied Mediterranean count?
fair hazel
Naiya Ray?
remote spruce
uh yes
gilded mason
Huh, where's that pic from?
gilded mason
Ah.
fair hazel
gilded mason
thank
fair hazel
What do you mean by that?
remote spruce
fan art
fair hazel
that you needed
remote spruce
There's 075
hidden blade
I'm making a photo that has a female spartan with darker skin. I wanted to know if there was a canon dark skinned female that I could use as the project file's name
075 wouldn't work as she'd need to be physically capable and combat ready
not disabled
hidden blade
Needs to look more hispanic.
I'm using Chloe Frazier from Uncharted as the female Spartan's head. So the Spartan I'm basing it off would need to look similar to her.
vague scroll
welcome to the creative process
tropic ginkgo
ahh the artist cycle of searching for materials and inspo...good stuff
versed helm
I dunno. Make an OC.
Or, you could hijack any Spartan who we haven't actually seen.
The books don't really tend to give skin colour even slightest mention, given the 26th century attitudes.
vague scroll
Kawaii is drawing fan art, not writing
it is an OC by the looks but they still need references for that
vague scroll
its not
versed helm
Aren't they looking for a canon female Spartan of dark coloration for their art to be?
I'm suggesting just making up a Spartan.
versed helm
"I wanted to know if there was a canon dark skinned female that I could use as the project file's name"
FFS dude
vague scroll
¯_(ツ)_/¯
versed helm
Man, it's the worst when this happens
Just pointless confrontational moments over literally nothing
I apologize for any snark
vague scroll
well people do tend to rely on their bias so people see different things, it happens, no hard feelings
versed helm
🍕
vague scroll
back at you
vague scroll
don't want to be in a situation where it looks like spam 😄
versed helm
In the words of great balding man who's acted in many cheesy sci-fi military things
"These... These are interesting times"
Battleborn sequel, huh?
Was kinda hoping we'd see more of Oblivion first.
vague scroll
They'll be here before you know it
versed helm
Hyped for the cover art alone, tbh.
Wonder if they'll do something totally different, or if they'll keep a similar style.
Maybe show another member of Blue Team.
remote spruce
When do we get book on Meridian Air Force surviving 3 years against Covies
versed helm
Very long book.
Day 769: Woke up. Hopped in my sabre. Shot down a few banshees. Landed. Scavved a datapad with unrestricted waypoint access from Sarah's locker. She won't be needing it anymore. Today was a good day.
Day 800: Woke up. Stray plasma bolt hit the outdoor head. Very unfortunate. Went back to sleep.
versed helm
Day 850: Gettin' real sick of these darn teenage heroes running around getting in the way of all the horrors of war with their PG-ness
fair hazel
Put it in #471727324895641651
remote spruce
Day 867: "I think something's burning"
terse gale
The only thing burning here is the toast in your brain while you're having a stroke, lol
fair hazel
terse gale
What kinda knockoff Metroid am I looking at
fair hazel
Knock off of metroid??? what
terse gale
Issa joke, lol. Was talking about the armor
fair hazel
JFO
terse gale
Just For Ogres?
fair hazel
Joint Forward Operator
hidden blade
I put it in #471727324895641651
fathom sail
I think I know the answer; RvB, canon?
I understand it's satire, but it would be kinda cool to adopt it.
terse gale
@fathom sail RvB actors are in Halo games, lol
fathom sail
As an Easter egg, though, right?
terse gale
Yee
carmine sleet
Red Vs Blue is not part of the Halo canon. Neither is Haloid, which is a fan animation, sure, a great animation, but it's still just the work of a fan
gilded mason
Nope.
fathom sail
I thought not
versed helm
if the outpost doesn’t have Moa burgers, i’m not going
gilded mason
Harsh but fair
carmine sleet
That's something I feel they may have to have as an in-joke for all of us. Not like I could eat one anyway but still
versed helm
why can’t you eat one
carmine sleet
I'm vegetarian
versed helm
oooooo
unkempt kettle
versed helm
uhh
unique rune
In the event that Unggoy do taste like lobster, I’m sure they wouldn’t be too bad.
safe siren
they are shellfish-like (i think i read it somewhere), so it would make sense to them to taste like lobster
unique rune
Marine dialogue in the games mentions rumors of them tasting like lobsters.
And I do believe they are considered to be similar to terrestrial crustaceans.
quartz willow
"Have you ever roasted a unggoy over a open fire. No. Is that frowned on or something."
@unkempt kettle
stoic hamlet
I mean hey, they do it to us, May as well return the favour.
safe siren
The first military death was Osmo, killed by a Grunt.
We need to kill Yapyap for revenge
quartz willow
@safe siren you are trying to strike a god
I shall let you know that gods do not die so easily
I also have a question is yapyap canon
feral perch
I thought JFO stood for Joint Fires Observer
Specialized for using the Target Locator
quartz willow
I dont know what you mean @feral perch
feral perch
The JFO helmet was discussed earlier in the chat.
quartz willow
O the helmet from reach
stoic hamlet
I forget what it’s meant for. I really should check
obsidian thistle
JFO deffo needed more love and its nice to see it used.
modest marsh
Odd that a spartan helmet would be specifically designed for using a...target designator
stoic hamlet
That’s not exactly it
It’s designed for coordinating artillery
Not necessarily using a target designator
modest marsh
From the player’s perspective, that’s what it means
stoic hamlet
Helmets aren’t made explicitly from a player perspective
feral perch
It's a dope helmet with outlines that make it look very stern
especially the visor outlines and chin
modest marsh
And if I recall correctly, Reach’s armor was going to implement gameplay advantages tied to the in-universe purpose of the armor
feral perch
I guess that was scrapped
modest marsh
“Designate targets 10% faster”
stoic hamlet
Were they? What advantages exactly? A lot of advantages are made redundant by the variety of armour
modest marsh
Well for example the hip first aid kit could presumably increase the health recharge rate
The GPS could increase radar range
stoic hamlet
What about the robotic arms? Or the various gear designed for use with parachutes?
feral perch
I would've really liked that for campaign and firefight
modest marsh
The jump jet shoulders don’t really serve any purpose unless they somehow improved the efficiency or speed of the jet pack
stoic hamlet
And the TACPAD? I can’t see any real advantage for it. The GPS I can
The various bracers?
(Speaking purely in-game that is)
safe siren
@quartz willow Every Leader, if not dead, is Canon; so Yapyap should be Canon
modest marsh
TACPAD could be more information readouts
Idk
Stuff like buckler could improve the efficacy of the parry mechanic
feral perch
it seems like you're grilling Maggruber on this EternalCanadian
modest marsh
Grenadier, better resiliency against explosions
I mean most of the armor seems to have some functional purpose
last anchor
This is the first Ive heard of it
modest marsh
In fact I’m kinda disappointed that, by and large, Spartan armor is generally purely cosmetic, even in the fiction itself
exceptions exist of course
stoic hamlet
Oh I don’t intend to be hostile, I’m just curious what he would ascribe to the various armour pieces.
last anchor
He does now anyway
quartz willow
@safe siren thank you
modest marsh
Why?
modest marsh
On the cover of BB it shows a Mark V[B] Spartan
But I think that’s just meant to convey he’s a Spartan-III I guess?
quartz willow
Yes
stoic hamlet
Oh I know, but the book describes an entirely different armour set up
quartz willow
Yes but it's meant to convey owen is a spartan III
It's nothing else for the cover
stoic hamlet
The cover is like dark blue and gold visor, but the book describes like a bright blue with black visor.
quartz willow
Yes
feral perch
So many visors.
modest marsh
Well it’s probable a considerable portion of the armor had been replaced
versed helm
So many visors with literally no operational benefit
stoic hamlet
It could be another S-III altogether
quartz willow
Also in halo 5 the darkness or brightness of your Spartans colors depends your visor color with the Rex visor every shade of blue is darker
versed helm
So you're telling me that this visor is good at identifying gangsigns
stoic hamlet
Perhaps Kevin-A282
modest marsh
Isn’t the “classic” VISR in halo 4 identified as the best one of them all?
quartz willow
I believe so
quartz willow
But the visor in game only serve one purpose that I see and that's changing the shade of armor colors
stoic hamlet
No but it’s the closest there is, unfortunately
obsidian thistle
Oh the visrs in Halo 4 all have unique uses. There is no "best" one.
stoic hamlet
but I wanna feel superior to other people! D:
obsidian thistle
Unless you count the Prototype visr 1 suit uses that might be better.
modest marsh
I thought the description for one of them was that they have the features of all previous iterations
obsidian thistle
modest marsh
I’m looking through it already
obsidian thistle
Vanguard uses VISR 5.0. I wonder if thats what we will see in Halo Infinite.
last anchor
That is the highest version we know of so
versed helm
Only thing I want to know about VISR is if it's utilized by regular UNSC forces.
And if not - which I assume they don't - what sorts of systems they do use, and if they have similar capabilities.
I'm talking about the sort of thing you'd see working in an infantry Marine or Trooper's goggles, shooting glasses or tactical eyewear.
modest marsh
VISR is probably a class of technology relegated to special forces groups like ODSTs
Air assault troopers and the like
quartz willow
Yea I'm pretty sure besides the marines in space in halo reach that VISR is limited to spec ops groups
terse gale
Marines have always had that one little HUD panel covering one eye, I wonder what it looks like to see through it
quartz willow
It's probably like that one dragonball thing on those guys eyes @terse gale
terse gale
Sees a Hunter
"Its power level is over 9000, RUN AWAY!!!"
quartz willow
Ahhhhh
versed helm
I mean, whatever eyewear BIOS UNSC soldiers do use, at minimum it has to have smart-link targeting capability (including impact point prediction, AKA standard HUD reticles) and also simple housekeeping functions.
Tracker displays too.
And UNSC infantrymen have always had a wide variety of eyewear as I said before, @terse gale. Not just tactical eyepieces.
I wonder if different bits of eyewear have different software suites for their functions.
I think it's funny, though, cuz I reckon the visual design intent of those eyepieces in CE was always to explain why Marines could aim MA5Bs.
Maybe the idea was that they'd close one eye and shoulder their rifle to aim, looking through the eyepiece to sight-in. Probably similar to how they would actually still work in modern lore.
The full goggles and glasses are probably more comprehensive Spartan-like systems.
Darnit, I can't believe that they did canon fodders on freakin' mining gear from that one Warzone map but haven't talked more about the gear regular UNSC soldiers use.
modest marsh
It might sound silly but I’ve always likened it to how the old Delta Force games handled magnified optics
Something like this
quartz willow
I dont like that type of zoom in
modest marsh
It’s weird
But more accurately depicts how sight optics are meant to be used
You don’t really close your eyes when firing
quartz willow
Yea it's just strange being used to the new type of FPS games such as call of duty PuBg titanfall and of course now halo
modest marsh
Iirc call of duty tried doing something different in Ghosts where the scope had true magnification and you looked through an actual scope instead of the entire screen just zooming in
Idk if they still do that
It’s kinda impossible to convey monocular magnification on a screen without it being centered on the scope
Unless of course, you pull a delta force
Convenient when you don’t want to animate scoping-in animations 😏
feral perch
Is Battleborn worth a buy?
carmine sleet
I've heard good things about it
quartz willow
I personally do not like it's very much poop to me
obsidian thistle
I find it interesting 😃
Its not for everyone.
But you may find something you like in it 😄
Like any story really
modest marsh
Battleborn is tolerable
quartz willow
I mean I played it awhile ago didnt like
quartz willow
Oh I thought you were talking about the game
modest marsh
Lol
quartz willow
Ok no that is a work of art
The game battle born or whatever it was called is a piece poop
feral perch
wooow
violet geyser
I finished Fall of reach
do I have to read the rest of the books in order or can I just skip to Glasslands?
remote spruce
First Strike explains what happens between CE and 2
feral perch
please don't just skip to Glasslands lol
gaunt karma
First Strike, Contact Harvest and Cole Protocol are all good
feral perch
At least read First Strike, and then it'd be good to check out Ghosts of Onyx
Actually, Ghosts of Onyx is important for understanding parts of Glasslands
Including the opening
violet geyser
Wair
I was about to start reading Halo the flood
But is it really necessary?
It's just a retelling of Halo ce
gilded mason
Has additional information and expanded stories in it, to be fair.
violet geyser
But is it really worth my time?
gilded mason
¯_(ツ)_/¯
violet geyser
I guess I'll just skip on to first strike
rare fox
Do you like the retelling of stories but significantly more violent?
gilded mason
Nah.
rare fox
Reading the original series is pretty fun tho
tropic ginkgo
I tried reading The Flood but had to stop because the writing style was starting to annoy me
feral perch
It's jarring.
Going from Nylund to Dietz.
Though, going from Dietz back to Nylund isn't so difficult.
Mostly because First Strike is like Nylund's take on Dietz' writing style, imho
terse gale
I love The Flood, easily one of my favorites. The first trilogy in general is 👌
I just like seeing the Chief's thoughts and feelings during the events of CE, and I like all the background stuff happening on the ring
tropic ginkgo
Flood is the only one of the OG trilogy I haven't finished...the style of writing is just a chore for me...eugh
stoic hamlet
I enjoyed the flood because of the background stuff
But it’s forgettable, tbf
Fall of Reach, First Strike and Ghosts of Onyx though, those are amazing. Ghosts especially
terse gale
I've read the OG trilogy at least 6x, I love it
versed helm
It is the beating heart of the Halo universe, I think.
Those three books.
Even if, from a modern perspective, not all the stuff from them can be considered faultlessly canon - even after the DE versions - the soul within them and the feeling they cultivate is truly Halo itself.
I would say they are to the universe what Halo 2 or 3 are to gameplay mechanics.
So, say Chief and others were able to activate Dreadnaught ships, how do you think they’d do against Guardians?
gilded mason
An amount of success between 0 and 100%.
gaunt verge
No matter what they use, the guardian will just EMP them right? So it needs to be something powerful, but also powerless, because you cant EMP what doesn't have electricity
modest marsh
It’s not really an emp
versed helm
R e S o N a T i N g N e U t R i N o S
gaunt verge
.....its essentially the same thing is it not?
versed helm
It seems to be a very intelligent pulse that selectively targets high-level infrastructure but not smaller bits of tech.
versed helm
Spicy meme.
This may be of some interest to you as a continuation of our composition debate, @modest marsh
I was reading up the composer some more.
And I came to realize something - in the Forerunner trilogy, the composer was used to fully return infected beings into their biological state, only for the Flood infection to consume them again.
How could the composer possibly be returning an entity into a true biological state - one susceptible to Flood infection - if it's not taking and storing the necessary biological material to do that?
So at minimum, the composer has to be stripping what it scans of their biomass in addition to taking a neuro-scan.
I mean, look at this and tell me that doesn't look like what's happening https://youtu.be/6rdslzQRlm0?t=48
Thus, I think it's a fairly easy leap to assume that Promethean forms might be utilizing repurposed biomass in their construction, or at least designed with that potentiality in mind.
A-la, Davis.
quartz willow
That is strange I never read the forerunner trilogy I've read the nylund trilogy and denning trilogy and 1 story from another author so I'm an expert on current halo universe stuff and the flood but not the forerunners.
versed helm
I just have had something really bugging me in the lore recently.
And that is that nothing makes mechanical promethean forms that aren't knights distinct in any way from any other kind of sentinel.
versed helm
They're just oddly-constructed war robots, with the knights acting as some sort of coordinating element.
quartz willow
Yes
versed helm
Darnit
quartz willow
Does anyone remember those weird promethean things that blue team spotted inside onyx
versed helm
If they were all reconstituted biomass, with the neurological scans going to the knights, that would conceptually unify them.
There is nothing special about crawlers, soldiers or watchers. They are boring enemies, lore-wise, and might as well be sentinels.
Knights are the only things that are really mechanical prometheans in any way.
But say for example that all promethean forms were constructed - or at least, designed to be constructed where necessary - of biomass siphoned off from composed essences.
It would explain their odd grav-engineered construction and biological-shaped appearance to a degree.
They're meant to be the efficient conversion of flesh to steel.
quartz willow
Yes I personally dont like prometheans they are cool yes but sentinels can cover the exact same purpkse
Sentinels are made for swarming tactics they could easily have outnumbered flood fleets and destroyed them but the forerunners never used them like the aggressor sentinels used themselves on the halo wars 2 campagin
versed helm
I mean, they presumably did. They also presumably used dozens of even more effective measures.
The Forerunners had a solute that could straight-up target and dissolve the FSC which was used after the Halo array fired.
quartz willow
I would love to see those " effective measures."
They didnt help them in the long run
versed helm
The composers can blanket a huge planetary area in a field which functionally disintegrates any targeted organism.
Right - the thing is, for all the Forerunner's extremely effective and powerful methods, the Flood always finds a way.
quartz willow
@versed helm I knowthe composers and the super cell dissolve xperia pointed it out in avideo
versed helm
Adapting its biological forms, utilizing the enemy's technology, just plain-up outhinking them
quartz willow
@versed helm partially because of mendicent bias knowledge if previous forerunner technology when he joined the flood
versed helm
Right.
quartz willow
The flood overall are a great parasite in video games but the demons of hell from doom are one of the only things that could crush the flood look up xperias video with Roanoke gaming it is awesome how much it describes the scenario
versed helm
I have seen that video, actually.
I don't think it entirely takes into account the sort of long-game the Flood plays, but that's okay.
The Flood doesn't destroy you by sending waves and waves of infected creatures at you. It destroys you by sneaking one single flood spore into an installation that'll wait for thousands of years to be inhaled by someone down the line.
All the big, overt actions it makes are smokescreens for what's really going on.
versed helm
Huh, maybe I haven't seen the video in question.
Maybe I'm thinking more of the Necromorph vs Flood stuff.
quartz willow
Yes probably that one look up flood vs demons (doom)
I'll sum it up though if you want @versed helm
terse gale
Could Flood even infect demons
quartz willow
I cant spoil it for Grim @terse gale
versed helm
They should be able to. The FSC is incredibly tenacious.
The FSC survived composition and then re-formation back into a biological state.
terse gale
I know jack-all about Flood, ngl. Just the stuff in the OG book trilogy and Halo CE-Halo 4
versed helm
FSC is the Flood Super Cell, if you were wondering.
The super-aggressive rapid-reproducing semi-intelligent single-cellular organism which makes up every flood thing.
quartz willow
You'll see my man @versed helm
versed helm
I mean, going into it, I wouldn't 100% rely on HiddenXperia and Roanoke to arrive at the most accurate conclusion here.
HiddenXperia is kinda a lore doofus, ngl.
He misses a lot of deeper stuff.
And Roanoke knows his stuff but he's got a very broad sphere of interest.
quartz willow
Roanoke is a biologist so 8 trust him going into the more cell type crap
versed helm
Take his Arbiter not being infected by the Flood video, for instance.
quartz willow
He dosent ssd the bigger picture sometimes
versed helm
He completely ignored the gameplay-canon separation that every lore fan needs to realize exists.
He didn't consider any contextual elements regarding whether or not the Arbiter actually came into contact with flood spores in H2 or if the green haze was something else.
He didn't look back on the H2A terminal and notice that arbiters in the past have worn breathing apparatus where needed.
He didn't give a partially accurate description of how energy shielding is known to work.
He just kinda gave up and said "well, sometimes things slip through the cracks".
Which is an abysmal thing to do, as a prominent lore source.
He didn't even consider the fact that Sangheili might be able to hold their breath for a while.
quartz willow
Yes especially when he is now more prominent a source than halo follower
Oh and if you dont know who Roanoke is @remote spruce he looks at how creatures in video games have evolved
To put it easily
versed helm
He has excellent necromorph-focused videos.
remote spruce
IMO Gameplay is a representation of canon, not definitive, but like an edited representation. Gameplay wise, Chief fought hard during Regret. It's like a representation of Chief,
versed helm
His brute video is also very good.
And yeah, jungle. You're totally right.
The Flood is a great yardstick of how much gameplay and canon can diverge.
remote spruce
Like I doubt in canon Chief teabagged that Jackal Sniper who no scoped Marine #2
quartz willow
Yes since they're supposed to be rotting yet plasma weapons are ineffective
@versed helm @remote spruce
versed helm
The Flood to Halo CE and Palace Hotel to Halo 2's corresponding bits are excellent representations of how much canon and gameplay can diverge.
I mean, just think about plasma weapons in general.
They're heavily nerfed in-game.
remote spruce
Also minor stuff like which Marines survived
quartz willow
Yes
versed helm
A single plasma bolt could burn straight through a fully-armoured helljumper.
quartz willow
That too
@versed helm have you read the short story dirt
Exactly that he crashes a pelican and his armor starts melting
versed helm
I've been selectively re-reading Evolutions, actually.
I've done The Mona Lisa and Palace Hotel.
Dirt is next on the list.
quartz willow
And how people reacted to the covenants appearance
Also is evolutions still considered canon
versed helm
I've been scoping about bits of lore for more info regarding UNSC weapon functionality, particularly as far as impact-point prediction targeting and smart-linking goes.
And yeah.
quartz willow
Thank you
versed helm
There's nothing to render any of it non-canon, really.
quartz willow
I'm making sure Halo ain't becoming like star wars
versed helm
Depending on what ends up happening with the TV show's canon - whether it ends up being alternate timelines or retcons that're being talked about - we might end up getting just a little closer to Star Wars, frighteningly.
In my book, retcons are always preferable to timeline alteration.
quartz willow
Yes I agree I'm going to bed see you tomorrow
versed helm
cy@ dood
stoic hamlet
Well, I might as well jump in 😃
stoic hamlet
Yeah ‘‘twas a typo, lol
versed helm
Remember that gnarly bit from Palace Hotel where Chief stabs that jackal sniper with his fingers?
stoic hamlet
Yeah
stoic hamlet
I also remember the super odd Marine Corporal
versed helm
The chick? Palmer?
stoic hamlet
Ye
versed helm
I think she just had her horn on for the Chief.
Can't blame her.
She's only human after all.
stoic hamlet
But like......five of her guys are paste
versed helm
I mean, she was pretty torn up over it.
Cortana just kinda told her to get the heck over it.
stoic hamlet
But then made that comment, was rather jarring
versed helm
So she probably went into compartmentalization mode.
Which for her, might've meant focusing on sex.
We're odd creatures.
stoic hamlet
That’s fair, heh.
Anyways, I’m surprised you’re going the “retcon” opinion. You never really seemed the type.
I’m personally of the mind that alternate universe is the best case scenario if they won’t stick to established canon.
versed helm
Well, generally speaking, I prefer newer, more visually crisp stuff to take canonical precedence over the things of the past. That's the mentality I've always kinda had ever since being a kid and trying to figure out how the heck Halo 2 and Halo CE's art styles fit together.
stoic hamlet
As long as the retcon isn’t drastic that is. Like if it’s something small maybe I’d be fine with it.
versed helm
So this mentality of mine is an expansion of that.
It really does depend on what exactly the canonical clashes we'll be facing entail, though.
I can't think of much they could do that would be a step above the sort of implicit retconning that's gone on in the past with Halo.
stoic hamlet
Like, I’d be fine if they changed a month or two. Or had John and the other S-II’s appear in a battle they might not have been in, for example, but could very well have.
versed helm
If it's a huge plot divergence with characters entering or leaving the universe well before their time, that would be quite spooky.
But if it's like, ethnicity or dates or slight alterations in relationships
Like what SS did with Chief and Johnson
Then that's not really much to get torn up over
stoic hamlet
Yeah I’d be fine with that
Tbf, the SS still fits technically anyways
I’m just worried they’ll have things occur that just blatantly don’t make sense. Like John advocating for this OC (outer colonist) girl tagging along. Which is kind of what I feel might be occurring.
Or at least that seems the potential story beat
versed helm
We can't really make a call on whether it does or doesn't make sense if we don't understand the context.
Chief is barely the sort of individual to make a call on a human being based on where they're from. See Collateral Damage.
He's an outer-colony boy himself, yet he's as steadfastly pro-human as they come.
stoic hamlet
The outer colonist part isn’t what I mean
versed helm
Right xD
stoic hamlet
I meant keeping her in a combat zone. Spartans don’t really......do that, unless they have no choice, and they’re not usually happy about it.
versed helm
Well, God knows who or what she really is.
All we know is that she's got an attitude (I think?) and is from the Outer Colonies.
She could be a Spartan III for all we know.
Though obviously that's unlikely. But you get the point.
stoic hamlet
Like, John’s first reaction to finding out engineers (Cortana, But in his mind regular humans) would be accompanying them for RED FLAG was displeasure and annoyance, IIRC.
Yeah
But man you don’t wanna imagine the table flipping I’d be doing if she was an S-III, lol
stoic hamlet
A 16 year old? Unlikely
versed helm
Or a young Marine, even xD
stoic hamlet
I could see that though
IIRC Mendez joined at 16
And there could be a draft going on
But my guess is she’s either Innie or civilian
versed helm
Probably some kinda l33t hacker.
Calling it now.
Inb4 she's a gamer.
Just to reference the fact that Halo is a game
stoic hamlet
I mean......I hope you’re wrong
remote spruce
Someone made a fair argument that it was more effective that Chief meet Johnson late instead of early, as his decision to make the choice to tell about the flood immunity is more impactful since he barely knew Johnson before
remote spruce
Yes
remote spruce
IMO it still makes sense for Chief and Johnson to meet early as Halo 2 kinda treats them as being old buddies
versed helm
As is literally all of TFor-The Flood-FS
Well, that's not the case anymore
Wait
It is
The case
You get me
Tbh freakin Halo CE itself is canonically dubious these days
You can only trust like
Silent Storm
stoic hamlet
Ooh, fun hypothetical: would any S-II(or III, I guess) choose to sacrifice Johnson for the potential Flood Immunity?
Or would they all be like John and weigh it as not worth it?
versed helm
Spartans in general are extremely conditioned into a sense of fellowship with their fellow soldiers. I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a one.
Probably some more individualistic and aggressive ones, like Headhunters. Maybe some of the oddball S-IIs, like Black or Grey.
I could see Kat giving Johnson up.
stoic hamlet
I actually think Kurt might.
He’d hate himself for it, but out of every S-II he’s (IMO) the only one who weighs the sacrifices in terms of the big picture, not the individuals.
versed helm
Kurt is also the guy who chose not to wear MJOLNIR that one time.
stoic hamlet
I don’t think he could even if he wanted to
versed helm
Hm?
stoic hamlet
He had no way to put it on
No one to assist him except Lucy
And they were short on time
versed helm
Good rationalization.
Though there are portions of The Flood where chief dons and maintains his armour alone.
Presumably it was a long process, though.
And who knows. Maybe some helljumpers or PoA techs were on-hand to help out.
stoic hamlet
Well there were obviously sailors and stuff who survived the crash
Actually wow, there must have been a lot of armour techs and stuff on the PoA for RED FLAG
versed helm
And yet, he still went into cryo fully-armoured.
stoic hamlet
Like at least a dozen or more
versed helm
Probably just to stay battle-ready, tbh.
stoic hamlet
That was the rationale IIRC
versed helm
Or, maybe Mark V is just easier for a single Spartan to get into and out of on their own.
Or with the assistance of relatively few other non-technical personnel, like other Spartans.
stoic hamlet
I mean Spartans know how to repair and remove their armour, I just don’t think it’s entirely possible without help
Or, y’know, a machine
.....shoot
I think I just screwed up a fanfic I’m writing
I forgot GEN2 needs the machines to disassemble......
versed helm
Needs?
Surely there'd have to be a way to remove the plates in a pinch.
Like if a Spartan is severely wounded and medical personnel need access to the wound on-the-field.
stoic hamlet
IIRC they need the machine to not ruin the armour
versed helm
There must be a tool to disengage the plates the way the Brokkr does.
versed helm
Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
stoic hamlet
I forget where I heard it
versed helm
I think it's very easy to imagine there being tools for emergency dis-assembly.
stoic hamlet
Would a team have them in the field do you think?
versed helm
Probably carried by units equipped to respond to Spartan casualties, or maybe even by members of Spartan fireteams themselves.
stoic hamlet
Like a dedicated member of the fireteam?
versed helm
Spartan Fireteams need medics tbh
Put it this way.
I don't see why they wouldn't be.
stoic hamlet
I usually slot a medic in my Gamma teams.
versed helm
A Spartan has the strength to safely remove the plates (because of their weight).
So all they'd need is a neat little tool to disengage them and they're good to go.
modest marsh
Removing the armor without tools would likely damage it
versed helm
Why?
modest marsh
Because armor having exterior releases that are accessible by hand are a huge design flaw
versed helm
I mean, by hand, using specialized tools intended to emulate the interfacing performed by a Brokkr system's appendages...
I dunno. Seems feasible to me.
modest marsh
I meant without tools
versed helm
How hard would it be to create a Halo game that's focused on the Covenant
Like you play the game through the eyes of the Covenant
versed helm
I think the more limited appeal is the issue.
You lose relatability, and you kinda lose some iconic elements of the franchise which stem from humanity.
And if you included humans as enemies, I know it'd leave a bad taste in my mouth.
versed helm
True but tbh..i'm sick of fighting aliens,zombies,and alien robots
gaunt karma
I'd jump at the first chance to play as the Covenant in a Halo game
quartz willow
@gaunt karma we technically did in halo 2 also you could in halo wars 1 which felt amazing controlling an army of covenant warriors and destroying anything in your way
carmine sleet
I think they already know about that. What they want is a game from the perspective of the Covenant all the way through
With no UNSC side of the story
quartz willow
Yes that would be cool Halo Wars 2 awakening the nightmare gave us an insight into life inside of the bansibed but besides the arbiters story in halo 2 weve never seen anything about life inside the covenant very much except some terminals and that one legends short the Duel
carmine sleet
Halo: Broken Circle gives us insight as well on the early days and the end of the Covenant
quartz willow
Yes I forgot about that book that's the one with the sangheli separatist or something right?
carmine sleet
The Ussans. Elites that lived on the fragmented shield world to avoid the Covenant
quartz willow
Yes that was a great insight into elite life
carmine sleet
Indeed. I really hope we get to see the Ussans again as well
gaunt karma
ye, I meant a Covenant only game
Arby and Chief are great and all, but the anonymity of Noble Six or the Rookie from ODST are my favourite to play as, because there's no defined way that they act
playing as the Cove in Halo Wars was also fun though
but that's cause I like RTS games
quartz willow
RTS is a very great genre
safe siren
Playing as various arbiters during the various crisis would be pretty cool, and a great way to explore the history of the Covenant
feral perch
Fireteam Crimson is essentially the same as Rookie or Noble Six. How come they don't get as much love and attention?
gaunt karma
I'm still going through Spartan Ops
I've yet to have an enjoyable campaign-like experience there :p
stoic hamlet
Tbf Rookie has technically been in two books
terse gale
Spartan Ops is mostly just fun with friends tbh
feral perch
yeah true
I would like a Noble Six fill-in-the-blanks book, like Mad Libs but serious
gaunt karma
the only reason I like Rookie so much is cause I'm biased towards Mombasa Streets
walking around the city during a rainy night and not saying a single word, just going through everything
feral perch
Mombasa Streets is one of the most aesthetically pleasing environments in any game I've played, I'll say.
remote spruce
Crimson straight up gets no cutscenes
That's the main difference
If they did Reach like cutscenes (multiplayer armor shown), even just Crimson jumping out of a pelican, they probably would be remembered more
gaunt karma
also that, there's no cutscenes featuring them
like the beginning of Warzone in H5, that for Spartan Ops would be great
remote spruce
TBH I think they wanted to do that but didn't have enough time
gaunt karma
possibly
it's one of those things where I'm not really complaining about it, I'm just thinking "man, that would've been cool"
fair hazel
I’m more okay with the insert yourself in crimson as we had a good character campaign
There were still moments
The episode 6 chapter 1 intro honestly awesome
carmine sleet
Agreed, by far one of the best chapters in Spartan Ops
Was there ever a confirmed reason as to why they captured Crimson?
fair hazel
Well later on they tried to get reclaimers at that same location no?
Murphy was awesome too.
T.J. Murphy
He’s an awesome pilot
Also Spartan Ops gave us interesting look st unsc gear and mjolnir stuff
versed helm
I feel as if he might be dead.
haughty python
imagine how many players on PC will play on Spartan Ops)))
fair hazel
A small cameo
versed helm
I felt it was implied he died on the return to Infinity.
fair hazel
He’s honestly an excellent pilot
His pilotingnis extreme.
Like the canton to infiniteh return
He was rolling and dodging
Later on when he got pelican. He was like, doing these rapid desceleragions . And maneuvers
versed helm
How did that swear get through
It's an Easter miracle
Must be the fullstop.
Anyways, I suspect he was actually a pilot all along.
Probably the pilot attached to Icebreaker squad.
Flying their pelican.
I doubt he was an infantry Marine.
obsidian thistle
Escalations had a few post-war cameos from media. It was interesting to see.
remote spruce
Icebreaker Squad after the crash:
"So like do we help repeal invaders?"
"Bro we're upside down we can't do jack"
river tulip
dont you guys think there was some hankypanky going on in other planets between UNSC?
stoic hamlet
....pardon?
carmine sleet
Yeah, I have no idea what "hankyplanky" means?
carmine sleet
I just did and I don't think that's something people want answered
stoic hamlet
I still don’t know what you were referring to? NSFW connotations aside, I assume you had another meaning for the word in this context, presumably that planets were close knit and worked together a lot?
dark schooner
Hopefully
stoic hamlet
Which I don’t think they did
Pretty sure most were quasi independent
They had their own armies, some had their own navies, etc
versed helm
Pretty sure they wouldn't actually be fighting amongst themselves, though.
The UNSC would curb-stomp that very hard.
stoic hamlet
Oh yeah, no fighting among the children
But they were overall pretty independent
Like, look at Biko, the innies tried to take over what, 5 times? Even took control of a major city, but no one expected the UNSC to send troops, they didn’t even send troops against them on purpose
They expected local units
last anchor
Hahahahah jokes on you HERE COME THE MARINES
stoic hamlet
.....did my all caps just get deleted?
Seriously?
There wasn’t even any swearing or anything
Whelp, moments gone, RIP
last anchor
Yeah if you spam caps it goes away.
Use italics for emphasis