#lore-and-universe | Halo | Page 176

gaunt karma Apr 17, 2019, 5:12 PM

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Cortana fought MB?

vivid dust Apr 17, 2019, 5:12 PM

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it's only a fragment of MB though isn't it

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in Halo 2 yes

gaunt karma Apr 17, 2019, 5:12 PM

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huh

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must've missed that

vivid dust Apr 17, 2019, 5:12 PM

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he's the "presence fighting back" when she's trying to stall the launch sequence

gaunt karma Apr 17, 2019, 5:13 PM

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huh, nice

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 5:18 PM

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Was 2401 Penitent Tangent Rampant or just pissed off?

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when we was with the gravemind

obsidian thistle Apr 17, 2019, 5:21 PM

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Uncertain. He obviously wasnt in the best of states.

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:24 PM

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@gaunt karma hey 🙂

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What a friendly Orc

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Or should I say "Ork"

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Or should I say "WAAAGH-" etc.

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Or should I say "filthy xenos".

gaunt karma Apr 17, 2019, 6:28 PM

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hi?

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:29 PM

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I uh

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I don't know how to proceed

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I wanted to take my findings from the Halopedia chat and spam them in here

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WAAAGH!

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Ahhh, whatever. To all you gun-nerds out there.

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When people trash the design of the MA5 series, especially on the basis of it being bullpup, they're not entirely right.

fathom sedge Apr 17, 2019, 6:31 PM

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sup, first flight out or not?

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:31 PM

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I genuinely believe that ergonomics wise, looking mainly at the Halo 5 MA5D, it is a weapon that would work really well.

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Uh

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I've been here for a while if that's what you're asking

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And I've been having MA5 weapon discussions for ages

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But right.

fathom sedge Apr 17, 2019, 6:32 PM

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wrong channel, sorry fella

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:32 PM

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Issue number 1 with a weapon like the MA5 - you can't adjust the stock, because the action is behind the trigger and that means the stock must typically be fixed in place.

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This is not the case with the MA5. With the MA5, the action is behind the trigger, but only by a very little bit. It has a compact bolt mechanism probably similar in nature to a certain Russian prototype AR that had a vertical bolt.

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This means, as we actually see on the Halo 5 model, you can have a short, full-adjustable stock to account for all heights of shooter.

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What?

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Btw, Warboss, anything vaguely sweary or spammy triggers it.

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I'm not swearing though

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I actually blocked the bot because it messaged me so frequently about the problem.

gaunt karma Apr 17, 2019, 6:34 PM

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vaguely sweary

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including stuff that doesn't seem like it would be a swear

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:34 PM

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Take this to general @versed helm

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I was making a joke about ork pirates

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Issue number 2 - because of its configuration as a bullpup weapon, it's extremely uncomfortable a non-viable for quickly switching shoulder for close-ranged firefights. There are a variety of reasons this causes problems with bullpup rifles, anything from being smacked in the face by the moving charging to handle to getting hot brass in the eyes.

humble yacht Apr 17, 2019, 6:35 PM

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PSA: some words have been added to the filter beyond standard profanity in anticipation of a major cinema event on the near horizon

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:35 PM

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this is a halo lore page

gaunt karma Apr 17, 2019, 6:35 PM

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what words? :o

humble yacht Apr 17, 2019, 6:35 PM

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:/

vague scroll Apr 17, 2019, 6:36 PM

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movie event of the summer

humble yacht Apr 17, 2019, 6:36 PM

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as if I'd tell you

fair hazel Apr 17, 2019, 6:36 PM

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MA5D has flip up iron sights

vague scroll Apr 17, 2019, 6:36 PM

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as if he could tell you

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:36 PM

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pablo schreiber is casted as Master Chief for the show!!!

humble yacht Apr 17, 2019, 6:36 PM

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Please deal with the minor inconvenience until after next week

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thanks!

gilded mason Apr 17, 2019, 6:36 PM

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👍

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:36 PM

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it's all over the news

gaunt karma Apr 17, 2019, 6:36 PM

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I was just curious, jeez

remote spruce Apr 17, 2019, 6:36 PM

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Stones

gaunt karma Apr 17, 2019, 6:36 PM

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I don't look at the news

remote spruce Apr 17, 2019, 6:36 PM

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Ah shoot didn't work

gaunt karma Apr 17, 2019, 6:36 PM

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Avengers?

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:36 PM

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But not only does the MA5's construction place the charging handle in a forward position, it has a brass deflector to stop you getting rekt in the eyes by hot brass. But not only that, in a close-range firefight - the sort of firefight in which one would be shoulder switching, you'd be aiming from chest-level using your HUD reticle and...

vague scroll Apr 17, 2019, 6:36 PM

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yes...

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:37 PM

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Are there human colonies that are free of UNSC leadership?

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... This is not the best time, is it?

gaunt karma Apr 17, 2019, 6:37 PM

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there, easy as that

gilded mason Apr 17, 2019, 6:37 PM

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@versed helm
Yes.

gaunt karma Apr 17, 2019, 6:37 PM

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simple question, simple answer

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and now we move on

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:37 PM

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Well, rest assured, you won't get hot brass in the eyes from shoulder switching an MA5.

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The MA5D in Halo 5 has ambidextrous controls for all weapon-functions, too.

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isnt the MA5D just Smart link?

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Imagine if a bunch of pirates successfully raided a UNSC frigate

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The MA5D is smart link.

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Covenant did it before

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There's pirates in Halo right?

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Human pirates

humble yacht Apr 17, 2019, 6:38 PM

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probably

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:38 PM

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But it has a variety of backup functionality, including post-war holographic projection sights and pop-up ironsights.

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Can't be too careful.

humble yacht Apr 17, 2019, 6:38 PM

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but mostly we see Kig Yar pirates

vague scroll Apr 17, 2019, 6:38 PM

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@versed helm yes

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smugglers mostly

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:38 PM

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Plus cowling-mounted rail.

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wouldn't be able to attack the UNSC or Covenant navys htough

humble yacht Apr 17, 2019, 6:39 PM

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The Onion Knight would take offense to being called a pirate

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:39 PM

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though*

vague scroll Apr 17, 2019, 6:39 PM

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stealing nukes might as well be piracy...

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among other stuff

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even if it was an ONI sting op

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:39 PM

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Anyone else wanna see a game where we fight human outlaws along with covenant?

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Halo wars multiplayer?

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kinda like that

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Outlaw Spartans would be cool

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Couldn't happen

fair hazel Apr 17, 2019, 6:40 PM

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There have been rogue spartans

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:40 PM

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ONI keeps way too high a track, or ends up de augmenting them

fair hazel Apr 17, 2019, 6:40 PM

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The MA5D honestly is pretty awesome

vague scroll Apr 17, 2019, 6:41 PM

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@versed helm it happens

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:41 PM

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Technically Blue team went rogue

vague scroll Apr 17, 2019, 6:41 PM

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not Blue Team

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they don't count

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look up Ilsa Zane

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:41 PM

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i said TECHNICALLY

humble yacht Apr 17, 2019, 6:41 PM

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Mickey went rogue

vague scroll Apr 17, 2019, 6:41 PM

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or Michael "Mickey" Crespo

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:41 PM

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He died

fair hazel Apr 17, 2019, 6:41 PM

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Scruggs

vague scroll Apr 17, 2019, 6:41 PM

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Mickey is alive

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:41 PM

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I'd love to see a group of rebels lead by a rogue Spartan II

vague scroll Apr 17, 2019, 6:42 PM

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and Ilsa Zane is a woman...

humble yacht Apr 17, 2019, 6:42 PM

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Spartan IIs are less likely to go rogue

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:42 PM

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Ilsa is a spartan 4, she doesnt count

vague scroll Apr 17, 2019, 6:42 PM

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she counts

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:42 PM

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Master Chief confronts him and fights him

humble yacht Apr 17, 2019, 6:42 PM

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She counts

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:42 PM

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spartan 2s, and 3s really didn't

vague scroll Apr 17, 2019, 6:42 PM

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you said Spartans, Ilsa Zane is a Spartan

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:42 PM

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R/whoosh

vague scroll Apr 17, 2019, 6:42 PM

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Who's the Spartan in Nightfall?

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:43 PM

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Randall

vague scroll Apr 17, 2019, 6:43 PM

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Remind me again, Ralph?

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Randall-037 right.

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He went rogue.

humble yacht Apr 17, 2019, 6:43 PM

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Randal. He went "rogue" in that he left the UNSC

vague scroll Apr 17, 2019, 6:43 PM

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Daisy-023 went rogue temporarily.

humble yacht Apr 17, 2019, 6:43 PM

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but he just wanted to live peacefully

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:43 PM

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he doesn’t have the augs anymore

vague scroll Apr 17, 2019, 6:43 PM

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Soren-066 was a Spartan washout but survived augs and attempted to go rogue

humble yacht Apr 17, 2019, 6:43 PM

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Most of the augs were taken out (not all, some were permanent)

gilded mason Apr 17, 2019, 6:43 PM

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he doesn’t have the augs anymore
And that really just makes no sense.

vague scroll Apr 17, 2019, 6:43 PM

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He killed a couple ONI agents when they tried to kill him

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:44 PM

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i think joseph went rogue but committed suicide

vague scroll Apr 17, 2019, 6:44 PM

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he only made an agreement with ONI to deaugment himself so ONI would stop sending assassins after him

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referring to Randall

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:44 PM

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^^

gilded mason Apr 17, 2019, 6:44 PM

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Which augments even could be removed?

vague scroll Apr 17, 2019, 6:44 PM

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so again, S-IIs have gone rogue, S-IVs have gone rogue

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it counts

humble yacht Apr 17, 2019, 6:44 PM

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Removing the bone augments and the retinal attachments makes about as much sense as putting them in

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:44 PM

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probably the chemical

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the chemical ones i’m assuming

vague scroll Apr 17, 2019, 6:45 PM

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chemical is harder to do, cybernetics is more likely

humble yacht Apr 17, 2019, 6:45 PM

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the chemical ones are probably the permanent ones

fair hazel Apr 17, 2019, 6:45 PM

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I feel like Randall is not 100% un-augmented but has had a lot of things removed to where ONI doesn't consider him a threat anymore in that sense.

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:45 PM

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they removed what they CAN

vague scroll Apr 17, 2019, 6:45 PM

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So, Olive you answered your own question...

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S-IVs and S-IIs have gone rogue

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plenty of times

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:46 PM

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and i think joseph was a runaway, but killed himself

humble yacht Apr 17, 2019, 6:46 PM

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I guess it depends on what you consider "rogue"

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:46 PM

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and most spartan 2s kinda hated halsey lmao

humble yacht Apr 17, 2019, 6:46 PM

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there is going AWOL and then there is turning traitor

vague scroll Apr 17, 2019, 6:46 PM

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what...?

gilded mason Apr 17, 2019, 6:46 PM

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and most spartan 2s kinda hated halsey lmao
Where'd you hear that?

vague scroll Apr 17, 2019, 6:46 PM

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Where the heck did you get that idea?

humble yacht Apr 17, 2019, 6:46 PM

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Give an example of a S-II that hated Halsey

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:47 PM

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as in a lot have tried to argue/escape

humble yacht Apr 17, 2019, 6:47 PM

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that's not hate

stoic hamlet Apr 17, 2019, 6:47 PM

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Some of them disliked her at times. But no ones outright hated her

vague scroll Apr 17, 2019, 6:47 PM

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they wanted to go home, they just didn't accept their indoctrination

terse gale Apr 17, 2019, 6:47 PM

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Kurt wasn't overly fond of her methods

stoic hamlet Apr 17, 2019, 6:47 PM

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Like, Kurt disliked her and had to put her in her place during GoO

humble yacht Apr 17, 2019, 6:47 PM

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i guess Serin hates her

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:47 PM

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who held a unsc personell hostage?

vague scroll Apr 17, 2019, 6:47 PM

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none of Halsey's Spartans have shown dislike toward her

stoic hamlet Apr 17, 2019, 6:47 PM

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Kurt has

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Not overtly

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:48 PM

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kurt? he’s the most understanding

stoic hamlet Apr 17, 2019, 6:48 PM

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But he wasn’t a fan of her criticisms and attitudes

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:48 PM

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i miss kurt 😦

stoic hamlet Apr 17, 2019, 6:48 PM

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Same here 😦

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:48 PM

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he needs a chug jug

vague scroll Apr 17, 2019, 6:48 PM

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even then, Kurt still shared that same parental-replacement figure they viewed Halsey in

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part of that S-II conditioning

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those that went rogue all have individual reasons for it that make a lot of sense

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:49 PM

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a lot of s4s have went rogue lol

vague scroll Apr 17, 2019, 6:49 PM

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only a handful that we know of

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you can count them on one hand actually

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:49 PM

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“that we know of”

vague scroll Apr 17, 2019, 6:49 PM

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Ilsa Zane, the two unnamed, Mickey, Scruggs

remote spruce Apr 17, 2019, 6:50 PM

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2 unnamed?

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:50 PM

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the ratio of rogue 4s vs 3s isn’t good

vague scroll Apr 17, 2019, 6:50 PM

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Halo Bad Blood

remote spruce Apr 17, 2019, 6:50 PM

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Oh

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:50 PM

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has a 3 went rogue

vague scroll Apr 17, 2019, 6:50 PM

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no opportunity to

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the mass majority are dead

humble yacht Apr 17, 2019, 6:50 PM

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Emille acted like a rogue

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does that count?

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😏

vague scroll Apr 17, 2019, 6:51 PM

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kek

stoic hamlet Apr 17, 2019, 6:51 PM

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well most rogue IV's were already pro insurrection before they became Spartans.

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:51 PM

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he was just hard headed

remote spruce Apr 17, 2019, 6:51 PM

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I'm sure a Spartan wore Rouge armor at some point

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:51 PM

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mickey killed that asian dude

stoic hamlet Apr 17, 2019, 6:51 PM

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no III has shown any such inclination, they're even more indoctrinated than the II's

vague scroll Apr 17, 2019, 6:51 PM

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@stoic hamlet we don't know that regarding the rogue IVs

stoic hamlet Apr 17, 2019, 6:51 PM

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I did say most 😃

vague scroll Apr 17, 2019, 6:52 PM

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true

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Scruggs was NCA, Ilsa Zane's past is unknown but seemed to be pro-UNSC until she was turned due to mental instability, Mickey was pro-Innie but pro-humanity due to the war

stoic hamlet Apr 17, 2019, 6:53 PM

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yep. I'm guessing it's probably similar for all the rogue IV's, known and unknown.

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:54 PM

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Who was it mickey kille din new blood?

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killed in*

gilded mason Apr 17, 2019, 6:54 PM

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Some random SIV trainees, I think.

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:54 PM

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or he got "framed" for

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becasue the 4 has his dog tag

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that he had with the rookie

remote spruce Apr 17, 2019, 6:55 PM

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ONI kills someone everytime a Spartan goes rogue

stoic hamlet Apr 17, 2019, 6:55 PM

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the closest in canon we've seen to an S-III go rogue is Kevin-A282, but he wasn't rogue so much as just a loner.

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:55 PM

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shouldn't ONI be illegal?

stoic hamlet Apr 17, 2019, 6:55 PM

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wut?

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why?

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:55 PM

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they have done so much thiings

vague scroll Apr 17, 2019, 6:56 PM

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can't be illegal if you define what is legal

remote spruce Apr 17, 2019, 6:56 PM

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Tehehe

stoic hamlet Apr 17, 2019, 6:56 PM

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so has the CIA, KGB, MI6, etc

humble yacht Apr 17, 2019, 6:56 PM

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or if you don't get caught

vague scroll Apr 17, 2019, 6:56 PM

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can't be wrong if you're the government

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can't be wrong if you're the one making the rules

remote spruce Apr 17, 2019, 6:56 PM

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ONI: we can define what is legal

vague scroll Apr 17, 2019, 6:56 PM

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ONI is a sorta "might makes right" type of organization

stoic hamlet Apr 17, 2019, 6:57 PM

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THey're working towards a noble goal, just their methods are extreme

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:57 PM

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Kidnapping 6 year olds

vague scroll Apr 17, 2019, 6:57 PM

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"recruiting 4 year olds"

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:57 PM

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and replacing with a flash clone

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that dies

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a week later

stoic hamlet Apr 17, 2019, 6:58 PM

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also, also, small thing, I always love the double standard you can bring up whenever someone mentions ONI are the bad guys.

that being, what about the Arbiter?

vague scroll Apr 17, 2019, 6:58 PM

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some of those flash clones survived for years

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:58 PM

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What abou tthe arbiter?

vague scroll Apr 17, 2019, 6:58 PM

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and as if 4 years old somehow could give conscent to become soldiers

gilded mason Apr 17, 2019, 6:58 PM

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that being, what about the Arbiter?
He has worked to show that he has changed from his past self and had worked greatly for peace

stoic hamlet Apr 17, 2019, 6:58 PM

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if ONI should be punished, shouldn't he?

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I know

vague scroll Apr 17, 2019, 6:59 PM

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The Arbiter is responsible for over a billion human dead in just what? 5 years?

stoic hamlet Apr 17, 2019, 6:59 PM

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I'm just saying, if the good of one group doesn't absolve the bad, why then should the Arbiter be spared the same?

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 6:59 PM

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That's also difficult, that could start a war

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and we needed their help

stoic hamlet Apr 17, 2019, 7:00 PM

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I'm not saying anything should be done in-universe, just saying the double standard among some fans is funny to me.

gilded mason Apr 17, 2019, 7:00 PM

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It makes sense to me

vague scroll Apr 17, 2019, 7:00 PM

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evidently, the UEG is just relying on their fragile alliance with the Sangheili to keep them occupied with fighting the Jiralhanae

humble yacht Apr 17, 2019, 7:00 PM

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The flash clone thing was more Halsey

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ONI wasn't a fan of that

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They were ok with the kidnapping though

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 7:01 PM

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Hahahahaha

gilded mason Apr 17, 2019, 7:01 PM

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And actually signing off and carrying through the cloning.

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 7:01 PM

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that made me laugh lmao

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Be quiet splitlip

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jkjk

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ily

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i jus tlove that word

remote spruce Apr 17, 2019, 7:02 PM

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Big Maggie was trying to feel better about herself

gilded mason Apr 17, 2019, 7:02 PM

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Yup.

feral perch Apr 17, 2019, 7:03 PM

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I will say that I really disliked the Arbiter in The Cole Protocol. Joseph Staten made him likeable in Halo 2, but he was quite zealous and impatient in the novel.

gilded mason Apr 17, 2019, 7:03 PM

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Character development!

stoic hamlet Apr 17, 2019, 7:03 PM

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that's because he was a zealot

feral perch Apr 17, 2019, 7:03 PM

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... yeah

remote spruce Apr 17, 2019, 7:03 PM

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Gold

humble yacht Apr 17, 2019, 7:03 PM

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He was a zealot up until seeing the prophets betray the elites

feral perch Apr 17, 2019, 7:04 PM

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and then there's just not enough of him to comment on in Halo 3.

gilded mason Apr 17, 2019, 7:04 PM

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and then there's just not enough of him to comment on in Halo 3.
Sadly

stoic hamlet Apr 17, 2019, 7:04 PM

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he was always super zealous

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"I will continue my campaign against the humans."

humble yacht Apr 17, 2019, 7:04 PM

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The only difference between him in H2 and him in Cole Protocol is he had lost his honor

stoic hamlet Apr 17, 2019, 7:04 PM

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we all know what that means

feral perch Apr 17, 2019, 7:05 PM

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and he also didn't kill any humans or other Elites in H2

gilded mason Apr 17, 2019, 7:05 PM

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or other Elites in H2
Uh.

feral perch Apr 17, 2019, 7:05 PM

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Oh

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I meant allies

remote spruce Apr 17, 2019, 7:05 PM

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Nah Arby speedrun

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 7:05 PM

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hahah

stoic hamlet Apr 17, 2019, 7:05 PM

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because he had no opportunity to kill any humans

feral perch Apr 17, 2019, 7:05 PM

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He killed his friend in Cole Protocol.

remote spruce Apr 17, 2019, 7:05 PM

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Banshee boost only

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 7:05 PM

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If you played as Arby, i killed everyone

feral perch Apr 17, 2019, 7:05 PM

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That didn't happen in H2.

gilded mason Apr 17, 2019, 7:06 PM

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because he had no opportunity to kill any humans
Nah, he totally used speedrun strats

stoic hamlet Apr 17, 2019, 7:06 PM

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he killed him for honor reasons

feral perch Apr 17, 2019, 7:06 PM

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heheh

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I know, but still.

stoic hamlet Apr 17, 2019, 7:06 PM

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you're projecting our culture onto the Sangheili

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 7:06 PM

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Darn

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I tired

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tried

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it got deleted

gaunt karma Apr 17, 2019, 7:06 PM

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prolly shouldn't try :p

humble yacht Apr 17, 2019, 7:07 PM

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yep

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 7:07 PM

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Ohhhh Chimera is a mod

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darn

gilded mason Apr 17, 2019, 7:07 PM

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Yes, that is what the green signifies

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 7:07 PM

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God im stupid

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anyways

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Is Thel still the "Arbiter"

gilded mason Apr 17, 2019, 7:08 PM

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Everyone still calls him that, at least

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And "Arbiter" is still an accurate-ish title for his station

humble yacht Apr 17, 2019, 7:09 PM

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Yea, he's still the arbiter

stoic hamlet Apr 17, 2019, 7:09 PM

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but yeah Arby was always a zealous bastard, he didn't regret what he was doing until after H3, even then idk if he actually regretted his actions or the fact he was lied to and coerced into doing them.

humble yacht Apr 17, 2019, 7:09 PM

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but the meaning of the title has changed

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it's now more like it was before the Covenant

stoic hamlet Apr 17, 2019, 7:09 PM

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it's reverted to it's original meaning, yeah

gilded mason Apr 17, 2019, 7:09 PM

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"Part King, part judge"

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 7:10 PM

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he isn't a "Zealous Bastard" he believed in the covenant until he found out he was being lied to no?

gilded mason Apr 17, 2019, 7:10 PM

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even then idk if he actually regretted his actions
I think I remember him stating he does in one of the books

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 7:10 PM

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Religion is a huge part to the Sangheili

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Do Elites ever take off their armor?

stoic hamlet Apr 17, 2019, 7:11 PM

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Yes.

gilded mason Apr 17, 2019, 7:11 PM

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Of course

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 7:11 PM

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I've never seen it off except for like when Thel was getting burned

stoic hamlet Apr 17, 2019, 7:11 PM

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And that’s what I meant by zealous bastard. He believed blindly

gilded mason Apr 17, 2019, 7:12 PM

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They wear things like tunics, tabards, etc when not in armor

stoic hamlet Apr 17, 2019, 7:12 PM

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^^^^^

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 7:12 PM

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Most did @stoic hamlet

stoic hamlet Apr 17, 2019, 7:12 PM

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Yep

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 7:12 PM

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HAHA i wanna see Arby in a suit and tie

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but, they live to be around 200 yea?

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or so

gilded mason Apr 17, 2019, 7:13 PM

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Most did
As the war went on, more Sangheili questioned things, which Truth was really not a fan of.

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 7:13 PM

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because thel is like 90 or 100

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are all Jiralhanae in the Banished?

obsidian thistle Apr 17, 2019, 7:14 PM

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Nope.

gilded mason Apr 17, 2019, 7:14 PM

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No

humble yacht Apr 17, 2019, 7:15 PM

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nadda

vague scroll Apr 17, 2019, 7:15 PM

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The Banished are simply a single faction, a slightly bigger one but not that big

gilded mason Apr 17, 2019, 7:15 PM

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Some live unassuming lives, some are off in the multitude of new factions (like Keepers of the One Freedom), and some are in the Banished

obsidian thistle Apr 17, 2019, 7:15 PM

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Others are fighting among themselves and are hunted by the Sangheili

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 7:15 PM

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I wonder if they'll make an AI based out of Anders? Possible?

humble yacht Apr 17, 2019, 7:15 PM

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banished are probably the biggest existing splinter faction currently

gilded mason Apr 17, 2019, 7:15 PM

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Well, sure it's possible

humble yacht Apr 17, 2019, 7:16 PM

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after the fall of Jul's Covenant

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 7:16 PM

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And who is Roland based on?

humble yacht Apr 17, 2019, 7:16 PM

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some aviator

obsidian thistle Apr 17, 2019, 7:16 PM

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We dont know.

humble yacht Apr 17, 2019, 7:16 PM

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Anders would have to die first

obsidian thistle Apr 17, 2019, 7:16 PM

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We dont know the hosts of like almost all Smart AI.

gilded mason Apr 17, 2019, 7:16 PM

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Or she takes a page out of her once-mentor's book.

humble yacht Apr 17, 2019, 7:16 PM

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That's illegal

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and unethical

gilded mason Apr 17, 2019, 7:16 PM

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And? 😏

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 7:17 PM

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Halsey isn't dead though? @humble yacht

obsidian thistle Apr 17, 2019, 7:17 PM

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Halsey cloned her self.

humble yacht Apr 17, 2019, 7:17 PM

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Halsey illegally cloned her brain to make Cortana

gilded mason Apr 17, 2019, 7:17 PM

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Doesn't mean she can't do it, even if it is illegal

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 7:17 PM

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Never knew that

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Couldn'y Halsey serve time?

humble yacht Apr 17, 2019, 7:17 PM

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Anders probably wouldn't do that because she's not as ruthless and amoral as Halsey

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Halsey did serve time

obsidian thistle Apr 17, 2019, 7:18 PM

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Anders also hated Halsey. I am almost betting she would avoid doing what she did.

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 7:18 PM

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Sorry, i know a lot, but don't, you know what i mean?

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So i ask obv questons

gilded mason Apr 17, 2019, 7:18 PM

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"My god...I have become the very thing I hated! What a turn of events!"

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 7:18 PM

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She does? @obsidian thistle

gilded mason Apr 17, 2019, 7:19 PM

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Yes

obsidian thistle Apr 17, 2019, 7:19 PM

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Yes she does. The Halo Wars manual, plus several other sources state it.

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 7:19 PM

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Is Douglas or Alice's Pods programmed like Jeromes, to wake up when someone else does

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or is it only jerome to anders

obsidian thistle Apr 17, 2019, 7:20 PM

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Well thats uncertain.

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That said we probably will never know.

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 7:23 PM

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i doubt it

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who set that up anyways? Jerome? Anders? Serena?

humble yacht Apr 17, 2019, 7:25 PM

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Prob Serena

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 7:27 PM

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i feel red team is very obedient compared to other teams, as in they don’t go against orders, not saying other teams do, you know?

humble yacht Apr 17, 2019, 7:30 PM

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Only team we've seen go against orders is Blue

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Noble Team always asked for permission first

last anchor Apr 17, 2019, 7:33 PM

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Grey had a free pass for their stuff so they don’t count

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 7:34 PM

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pretty sure they were granted complete operational authority

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given the nature of their mission

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grey is really independent

last anchor Apr 17, 2019, 7:48 PM

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Like I was saying, free pass

obsidian thistle Apr 17, 2019, 7:52 PM

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Hmmm I wonder who "Quan Ah" is. (New character for the Halo TV series. Played by "Yerin Ha")

gilded mason Apr 17, 2019, 7:52 PM

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"Meet my plucky new sidekick."

stoic hamlet Apr 17, 2019, 8:23 PM

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Could be that “Jenny” character

last anchor Apr 17, 2019, 8:37 PM

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Ohhh boy

sweet glen Apr 17, 2019, 8:41 PM

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remember when master chef died?

feral perch Apr 17, 2019, 8:42 PM

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Not that clickbait...

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 9:05 PM

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I still wonder what became of Lacerta Erectus

obsidian thistle Apr 17, 2019, 9:24 PM

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Well John to the Public died in 2558. But in reality he is still alive.

gilded mason Apr 17, 2019, 9:24 PM

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That whole aspect just felt haphazard to me.

feral perch Apr 17, 2019, 9:30 PM

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I have a hard time seeing Hunt the Truth as canon

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Chief was gone for 2 days, and 2 seasons of Hunt the Truth happened in that time?

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ONI overreacted at least

gilded mason Apr 17, 2019, 9:31 PM

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Nah, season 1 was another time he got smeared.

carmine sleet Apr 17, 2019, 9:31 PM

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Season 1 was over the course of a couple months

feral perch Apr 17, 2019, 9:32 PM

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Oh I see. I haven't actually listened to Hunt the Truth so I may be quite mistaken but still

obsidian thistle Apr 17, 2019, 9:35 PM

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Season 1 actually is around early 2558. Season 2 is late 2558.

feral perch Apr 17, 2019, 9:35 PM

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Why is ONI so willing to smear Chief and cut ties with him?

obsidian thistle Apr 17, 2019, 9:36 PM

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To see what happens

feral perch Apr 17, 2019, 9:36 PM

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Especially when they set Spartan-IVs up to worship him

gleaming apex Apr 17, 2019, 9:36 PM

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well. a rogue super soldier isn't exactly good PR.

gilded mason Apr 17, 2019, 9:36 PM

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To see what happens
I wonder why some people don't like ONI

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🤔

obsidian thistle Apr 17, 2019, 9:36 PM

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John-117 was a legend. ONI had to see what would happened if John went AWOL.

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The civilians did NOT like it

feral perch Apr 17, 2019, 9:37 PM

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But the propaganda they built around him

obsidian thistle Apr 17, 2019, 9:37 PM

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So ONI just said John died when he went AWOL.

gilded mason Apr 17, 2019, 9:38 PM

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Thing is, he went to one colony on the down low. And that's it.

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Nobody would even know.

obsidian thistle Apr 17, 2019, 9:39 PM

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Well ONI said he died. Thats it. Its possible thats why John has a symbolic burial in 2590.

feral perch Apr 17, 2019, 9:40 PM

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But after only two days of AWOL??

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Makes it seem like Halo 5's campaign had a lot of rewrites

obsidian thistle Apr 17, 2019, 9:41 PM

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John going AWOL like caused riots in Season 1.

feral perch Apr 17, 2019, 9:41 PM

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hm

obsidian thistle Apr 17, 2019, 9:41 PM

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John dying avoids that.

feral perch Apr 17, 2019, 9:41 PM

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Well, I suppose that might be a fear.

obsidian thistle Apr 17, 2019, 9:41 PM

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It was a fear that was proven.

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Despite how iffy it was.

feral perch Apr 17, 2019, 9:42 PM

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I see

gleaming apex Apr 17, 2019, 9:44 PM

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can't really argue with that logic, but 2 days is awfully short.

gilded mason Apr 17, 2019, 9:44 PM

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Though given the reason for going AWOL was "I should check out this weird stuff going on with Cortana" and not the more serious and manufactured "Time to go shoot up a peace talk", feels just a bit like ONI overreacted.

gleaming apex Apr 17, 2019, 9:45 PM

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what's easier/less scary to believe?

obsidian thistle Apr 17, 2019, 9:46 PM

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"Cortana" was probably a keyword that ONI made sure to keep an eye on in regards to John.

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When John said it. It probably set off a "get John home NOW". If he refuses he becomes a risk.

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As Cortana wasnt widely known at that point also.

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Plus maybe ONI phych specialists probably reasoned that John dealing with Cortana was a bad idea. I mean if Cortana was evil. Would you send someone she had potiential influence over?

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 9:53 PM

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I suddenly feel very proud of my boi John that, in Halo 5, he didn't let his connection control his judgement.

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He knew what was right and wrong.

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I mean, arguably he fell into her clutches in the first place, but his moral compass stayed aligned.

obsidian thistle Apr 17, 2019, 9:54 PM

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@gleaming apex dont use to much caps. :) Filter removes it.

remote spruce Apr 17, 2019, 9:54 PM

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Chief was actually like Curious George

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"wonder what's going on, better find out"

gleaming apex Apr 17, 2019, 9:54 PM

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that explains things, thanks!

feral perch Apr 17, 2019, 9:54 PM

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if Curious George killed aliens in a suit of power armor, yeah

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hehe

gleaming apex Apr 17, 2019, 9:55 PM

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well it was his job to like, keep her protected and safe

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so if she was still out there he kind of has to reclaim the asset y'know

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personal feelings notwithstanding

obsidian thistle Apr 17, 2019, 9:56 PM

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But yea John was a huge risk. And according to the game a team was being prepped to deal with Cortana. (IE Not Osiris or Blue)

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Osiris didnt even know about Cortana till the Warden told them.

remote spruce Apr 17, 2019, 9:56 PM

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Majestic

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Hoya v Cortana

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Grant wins

obsidian thistle Apr 17, 2019, 9:57 PM

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We may never know

feral perch Apr 17, 2019, 9:57 PM

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pfft no way majestic would be sent after her

gilded mason Apr 17, 2019, 9:57 PM

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And where were you...

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DeMarco?

feral perch Apr 17, 2019, 9:57 PM

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Maybe Grey Team?

obsidian thistle Apr 17, 2019, 9:57 PM

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We have no idea. Its truely a mystery.

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One we may never know unless 343i decide to give that trivial piece of info xD

gleaming apex Apr 17, 2019, 9:58 PM

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and also kind of irrelevant unless they decide to still send them in

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whoever "they" are

feral perch Apr 17, 2019, 9:58 PM

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Maybe we'll see them in Infinite

remote spruce Apr 17, 2019, 9:58 PM

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Fireteam Forest

feral perch Apr 17, 2019, 9:59 PM

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I'd like to see Blue Team and Locke in Infinite, as well, though none of the other members of Osiris.

remote spruce Apr 17, 2019, 9:59 PM

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AKA 4 Spartan IVs that were invincible

terse gale Apr 17, 2019, 10:12 PM

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Buck tho

gleaming apex Apr 17, 2019, 10:19 PM

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thank you

stoic hamlet Apr 17, 2019, 10:48 PM

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good Buck though, not H5 Buck

gilded mason Apr 17, 2019, 10:49 PM

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Yeah, H5 Buck felt different from ODST Buck.

fair hazel Apr 17, 2019, 10:50 PM

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Not to me

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Same character

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But Spartan and different role now

humble yacht Apr 17, 2019, 11:14 PM

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And with more Nathan Fillion features

versed helm Apr 17, 2019, 11:34 PM

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Y'know, I don't see that.

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He strikes me as generally the same Buck, just doing different things.

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 12:08 AM

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"Elites are my brothers" (paraphrased)

.....yep, totally accurate to how Buck would act and consider elites given his already established backstory.

feral perch Apr 18, 2019, 12:09 AM

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Yeah, that line was out of place, although I did get the impression that he fought mostly Brutes

gilded mason Apr 18, 2019, 12:10 AM

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I'm fine with that (no surprise coming from me), it's more that to me his character in H5 feels more like Nathan Fillion playing Buck than anything else.

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 12:13 AM

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he's a 25 out of 27 year veteran of the war, in ODST he comes off as a slightly jaded, worn out man who's more or les going through the motions.

you don't fight something for basically your entire life then suddenly proclaim them brothers less than four years later.

gilded mason Apr 18, 2019, 12:14 AM

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Though to be fair, he's speaking of the Elites in the SoS.

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 12:15 AM

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Buck (and Vale) in H5 are part of a wider issue with post war, IMO, stuff happens to quickly, and everyone basically just skips over the massive war they just had where there were no rules, no prisoners, no qualms about going all out because they needed to.

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and then we have stuff like the Keepers

gilded mason Apr 18, 2019, 12:15 AM

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stuff happens to quickly
If there's no big timeskips, it kinda has to.

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 12:15 AM

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cool idea but time wise....

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but it's totally illogical

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even today there are still people who hate the Germans and Italians, and the Japanese, etc.

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 12:16 AM

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spartans are better than odst's in my opinion

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except odst's look better

gilded mason Apr 18, 2019, 12:17 AM

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At least one of the reasons why I would have liked Halo 4 taking place a couple decades later

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 12:17 AM

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or cooler

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 12:17 AM

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there's no reason for it not to have taken place later, IMO, it's not like the story would have drastically changed.

gilded mason Apr 18, 2019, 12:17 AM

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Yeah.

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 12:18 AM

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honestly nothing would have changed about H4

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except it would be far more believable that all this joint ops stuff is happening and hate has died down.

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like there are former Covenant on earth as of 2557!!!!

feral perch Apr 18, 2019, 12:20 AM

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No Cortana to help Chief though

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Would have died of rampancy

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 12:20 AM

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yes there would be

feral perch Apr 18, 2019, 12:20 AM

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So no Halo 5

gilded mason Apr 18, 2019, 12:21 AM

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Eh, an argument could be made for "low power mode" or the like

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 12:21 AM

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we have several examples of A.I living past their rampancy dates

feral perch Apr 18, 2019, 12:21 AM

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But for decades?

gilded mason Apr 18, 2019, 12:21 AM

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Basically cease everything but essential functions to keep her lasting longer

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 12:21 AM

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namely Julianna in The Cole Protocol.

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she was rampant for over 10 years IIRC

feral perch Apr 18, 2019, 12:22 AM

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She would have gotten a couple levels into Halo 4 and then exploded, figuratively speaking

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 12:22 AM

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and she wasn't just looking after one person, but an entire colony of millions of people.

feral perch Apr 18, 2019, 12:22 AM

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But twenty+ years?

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Even Julianna wouldn't have lasted that long

gilded mason Apr 18, 2019, 12:23 AM

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What. I got a bad word timeout and I have no idea why.

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 12:23 AM

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Mack and Loki are two others, granted they're a special case but they were active for seemingly decades if not centuries.

feral perch Apr 18, 2019, 12:23 AM

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Aren't they part of the AI council?

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 12:23 AM

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no.

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they were two Smart A.I on Harvest

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that were active since it's colonization.

feral perch Apr 18, 2019, 12:24 AM

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Weird.

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 12:25 AM

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one powered down while the other was active, allowing the powered down one to go through their information. IIRC they'd switch every 7 years.

ripe sage Apr 18, 2019, 12:41 AM

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@gilded mason preventing Endgame spoilers

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"Infinity" is currently filtered until the movie is out

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Sorry

gilded mason Apr 18, 2019, 12:41 AM

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Oh. Huh.

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 12:41 AM

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lol

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little excessive no? :p

ripe sage Apr 18, 2019, 12:41 AM

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No.

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Someone already posted stuff last night

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 12:42 AM

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ah

ripe sage Apr 18, 2019, 12:42 AM

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I'd rather suffer for a week than have a super anticipated movie ruined by jerks

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And to be clear

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 12:42 AM

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fair

ripe sage Apr 18, 2019, 12:42 AM

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I personally don't even care about this. I've not seen any

inland vessel Apr 18, 2019, 12:45 AM

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Ok you did a better job then I expected lol

ripe sage Apr 18, 2019, 12:45 AM

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Oh I got a looooot

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And trying to prevent jerks from being jerks

inland vessel Apr 18, 2019, 12:46 AM

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I'm slightly confused on the filtering on Infinite (ya know) but anyway good luck with that

ripe sage Apr 18, 2019, 12:46 AM

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Infinite is not. Infinity is

inland vessel Apr 18, 2019, 12:47 AM

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It was to point it out

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I can't use the actual word

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Anyway time will tell

ripe sage Apr 18, 2019, 12:47 AM

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Really all you need to know is to work around it for now

fair hazel Apr 18, 2019, 12:48 AM

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Refer to it as INF-101 or something

inland vessel Apr 18, 2019, 12:48 AM

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Hmm well keep to it, when it comes to film spoilers I'm slightly serious after getting spoilt some key moment in hyped film

remote spruce Apr 18, 2019, 1:21 AM

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yea i saw those spoilers in here lol

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stones

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nope still not filtered out : p

inland vessel Apr 18, 2019, 1:25 AM

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Hmm probably would have been better to filter that word instead of the other in question but moving on

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Only causes issues with on ship which ain't too much of a topic since we know so much about it compared to the Shadow of intent or Spirit of Fire

simple locust Apr 18, 2019, 2:15 AM

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What type of economy does Humanity (Earth, Reach, and others) have?

modest marsh Apr 18, 2019, 2:17 AM

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Credits

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cR

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 3:14 AM

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Is there such thing as medieval style torture methods in Halo?

gilded mason Apr 18, 2019, 3:15 AM

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Like, with medieval instruments, or just similar methods?

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'Cause I do know of at least one in Broken Circle. A San'Shyuum was using artificial gravity to basically crush Sangheili to death, sometimes starting off with their extremities.

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 3:41 AM

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Was there anything that the covenant did to captured humans?

gilded mason Apr 18, 2019, 3:42 AM

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Brutes at the very least would tear them apart or hunt them, like in Stomping on the Heels of a Fuss.

terse gale Apr 18, 2019, 3:43 AM

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Jackals and Grunts tore apart human prisoners

gilded mason Apr 18, 2019, 3:45 AM

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Prisoners or combatants? Since I recall the latter, but not the former.

terse gale Apr 18, 2019, 3:46 AM

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Keyes sorta mentioned it in The Flood when him and his little group were running from the Covenant trying to catch them

gilded mason Apr 18, 2019, 3:57 AM

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Tried looking it up, but I could only find him talking about how it would be a bad idea to be at the Covenant's mercy while on their trek.

charred flower Apr 18, 2019, 6:06 AM

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Cinematic face reveal for Master Chief is the best way for the most impact. Change my mind. (Is there any other really great way? doubt it)

gilded mason Apr 18, 2019, 6:10 AM

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It should be revealed as the camera pans up the length of his bed in the early morning. Once it gets to his face, his alarm clock rings and he shoots up in shock, bed-head and and unshaven beard in view. He says in dismay "I'm gonna be late!" as he shoots out the room. On the way out of the domicile, he snags a piece of toast on the kitchen table.

charred flower Apr 18, 2019, 6:13 AM

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hah

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 6:14 AM

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I laughed

near turtle Apr 18, 2019, 11:13 AM

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Anyone wanna play co op campaign today?

boreal bane Apr 18, 2019, 11:16 AM

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Use the LFG channels for that please :)

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 2:20 PM

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^^

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Am i the only one who finds Kurt using SPI instead of Kjolnir is really stupid?

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Mjolnir*

carmine sleet Apr 18, 2019, 2:23 PM

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Depends on how you look at it, from a practical standpoint, he should've used is Mjolnir when the Covenant found Onyx, but from his own personal view, he didn't see himself as being worthy of the armour and wanted to be as much like those he trained as possible, thus he used SPI

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 2:24 PM

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I mean, they were in a battle, i understand the whole SPi thing form a personal standpoint, but he would of been so much more effective if he was in Mjolnir

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 2:28 PM

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he fundamentally cannot put on MJOLNIR

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it requires a mounting harness machine to get it on

carmine sleet Apr 18, 2019, 2:28 PM

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Whereas SPI can just be put on like normal armour

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 2:28 PM

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Kurt neither had one available or time to put it on

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he literally had it under his desk

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in a drawer

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SPI is compact and easy to slip on in a quick bit

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 2:38 PM

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I suppose he could have had Lucy help him, but yeah it’s not something you can put on easily and SPI suited the situation much better

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I’m surprised Mendez wasn’t wearing a suit as well

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 2:54 PM

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I think a Ghost of Onyx spinoff game would be fun

fair hazel Apr 18, 2019, 2:55 PM

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I don’t

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The book works because of the book format

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A game requires different format

carmine sleet Apr 18, 2019, 2:55 PM

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I'd rather a new story be told in a spin-off game

fair hazel Apr 18, 2019, 2:56 PM

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Halo reach of halo the flood master chief sections come to mind

pallid hearth Apr 18, 2019, 2:56 PM

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Just make the game lore accurate. thanks.

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 2:57 PM

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what's your guys's favorite book?

carmine sleet Apr 18, 2019, 2:57 PM

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Things would have to be changed to work as a game, that's why I'd rather a new story be told in a spin-off opposed to remaking a book as a game

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 2:57 PM

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i personally like new/bad blood

carmine sleet Apr 18, 2019, 2:57 PM

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Also, my favourite Halo book is First Strike

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 2:58 PM

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That's a classic

pallid hearth Apr 18, 2019, 2:58 PM

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Glass lands

carmine sleet Apr 18, 2019, 2:58 PM

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No, not First Strike, completely forgot about Envoy

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 2:58 PM

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What's Envoy about?

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i dont remember that

fair hazel Apr 18, 2019, 2:58 PM

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Silentium and legacy of onyx

pallid hearth Apr 18, 2019, 2:58 PM

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onyx was juicy.

fair hazel Apr 18, 2019, 2:58 PM

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Legacy of onyx

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Not ghosts of onyx

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Envoy is about ,

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 2:59 PM

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i feel everyone has to love the Onyx books

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and i remember Envoy now

fair hazel Apr 18, 2019, 2:59 PM

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Ok I won’t get philosophical for that one.

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Humans and sangheili tensions.

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 2:59 PM

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I want Rtas back

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speaking of sangheili

fair hazel Apr 18, 2019, 3:00 PM

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Brute attacks. Peace and vregteam

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Grey team

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 3:00 PM

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Could Grey team come into games?

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 3:00 PM

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Slim to none

carmine sleet Apr 18, 2019, 3:00 PM

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If 343i want to bring them into the games, they could but I don't think it would happen for some time

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 3:00 PM

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There’s been no point up till now

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 3:00 PM

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mostly just book characters ig

fair hazel Apr 18, 2019, 3:01 PM

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Halo 2 a

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 3:01 PM

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I'm not saying in infinite

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i'm saying in the future

fair hazel Apr 18, 2019, 3:01 PM

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Terminal has Grey team

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 3:01 PM

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i know

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ive seen/heard them

carmine sleet Apr 18, 2019, 3:01 PM

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That is true, they were in a Terminal

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 3:01 PM

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grey team is badass

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is that allowed?

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 3:01 PM

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That terminal doesn’t refer to Gray team and most halo fans have never heard of gray team

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It only refers to a member of gray team that the majority of the halo community has never heard or cared to know before

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 3:02 PM

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Jai

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 3:02 PM

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When it comes to these storytelling situations, you have to treat every introduction as a completely new character

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 3:03 PM

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Jai is 006, right?

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 3:03 PM

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Part of the lauding of Halo 5 has been that there were too many characters on screen and not enough screen time for any of them or not enough things for them to do to make them memorable

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Yeah Jai-006

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 3:03 PM

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Cortana had a little thing where she said a little about each of crimson

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not crimson

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osiris

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only ones we know about really are Buck, and Locke

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Obviously we know a lot about Blue team

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 3:04 PM

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Future halo games will likely play it Smart after the mishap of Halo 5 due to the lack of a proper introduction to Blue team and Osiris. At least with Osiris you view them as the player characters and they try to build an interaction, Blue Team Had no setup

carmine sleet Apr 18, 2019, 3:05 PM

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Vale was in Hunters in the Dark and Tanaka appeared in Escalation

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 3:05 PM

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343 just assumed that you knew everything about blue team

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I haven't read escalation

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 3:06 PM

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They didn’t actually, given that a lot of new content for Blue Team had to be built up before and after halo 5

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To understand the games story the books and comics were established to fill in holes, still most fans won’t go through the trouble of hunting all the material down

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 3:07 PM

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thats what i was saying....

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 3:07 PM

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Their loss :p

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 3:07 PM

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^^

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 3:07 PM

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But yeah characters in H5 weren’t done very well

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 3:07 PM

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Maybe their loss but if you want Halo to sell units, you can’t just say “too bad”

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 3:08 PM

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Blue Team were really odd character wise

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Oh I know

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 3:08 PM

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Vale is hot tho

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 3:08 PM

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The games need to be a self contained story

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 3:08 PM

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Ehhh, I disagree

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 3:08 PM

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You can have branching narratives

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 3:08 PM

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You can have them pull from the EU as long as it’s explained

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Look at Star Wars

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 3:08 PM

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They catfished us so hard with the whole #huntthetruth advertisements

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 3:09 PM

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I mean the story needs to complete itself without plot holes and people should be able to understand the story fairly well

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 3:09 PM

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Star Wars pulls from books, comics and TV, even games, a lot and I don’t see anyone complaining

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 3:09 PM

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Cortana suddenly coming back is a good example of why plot threads don’t line up and bad storytelling

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Because Star Wars films are still fundamentally self contained

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They have a beginning, middle and end and they give you a full arc to most characters

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 3:10 PM

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Oh I’m not saying H5 did it well, I’m just saying it is possible to use EU characters and stuff without the fans freaking out

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 3:10 PM

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also microsoft intervened pretty heavily for halo 5 i feel

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 3:10 PM

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There are overarching narratives in the saga but each piece is still its own thing

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 3:11 PM

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But then I suppose expecting a bunch of casual FPS Fans to care about the EU is my mistake

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 3:11 PM

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It’s not a mistake but it’s a wrong assumption to expect a story to extend beyond the piece itself

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 3:11 PM

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H5 is heavily set on knowing forerunner lore, and obv Blue/Osiris team

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and i know a lot of people haven’t read the forerunner books

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 3:12 PM

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I haven’t, Well, not all of them, but I k ow the lore, because I researched when needed. Obviously some random casual (not meant to be an insult, just a descriptor) won’t do that.

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 3:13 PM

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That’s fine, but you still have to cater. Lore doesn’t sell

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 3:13 PM

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even if you research, and don’t read, it should give you most the general knowledge to understand the games

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 3:13 PM

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People aren’t clambering for the next comic or the next novel

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 3:13 PM

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Some people are

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But not the masses

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 3:13 PM

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i do for most

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i miss some

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 3:14 PM

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The masses are what are important at the end of the day

quartz willow Apr 18, 2019, 3:14 PM

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Hello lore bois

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 3:14 PM

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343i is here to make money, we should expect that from them

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 3:14 PM

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343 are between a rock and a hard place, I think

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 3:14 PM

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sadly, Halo is only big im the gaming aspect

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in

quartz willow Apr 18, 2019, 3:14 PM

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@vague scroll I disagree

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 3:14 PM

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hopefully the show will be good

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 3:15 PM

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You can still have fun and do the right thing while making money

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 3:15 PM

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343 obv wanna make money, but that’s not all they are wanting

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 3:15 PM

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Cater to lorists, or the casuals. They can’t really do both unless they really invest time into things.

quartz willow Apr 18, 2019, 3:15 PM

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They gave darkhorse the rights for comics instead of marvel which is run by the money hungry people at disney

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 3:15 PM

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or else halo would of been covered with micro transactions

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 3:15 PM

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It’s more than just lore folk they have to sell to

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 3:16 PM

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Of course. Their main market is the typical FPS gamer

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 3:16 PM

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The multiplayer casuals, the multiplayer elites, the story guys, the people who just want a good campaign, the content creators, etc

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 3:16 PM

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Yeah

quartz willow Apr 18, 2019, 3:16 PM

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Darkhorse has put time and effort into their comics thus the point that they never put a deadline for the next comic on the back of the previous issue

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Which is a great thing to do

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 3:17 PM

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It’s why I’m glad I’m not in 343i’s place. I can’t imagine the pressure to please these various groups

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 3:17 PM

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Dark Horse I know nothing about their business practices but quality control has often been a complaint I’ve heard from lore fans

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The number of Escalation memes is a testament to that

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 3:18 PM

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It’d be great if they could please everyone

quartz willow Apr 18, 2019, 3:18 PM

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They have great quality escalation was the first time they worked with halo so I excepted mistakes and lore breaking to happen which did

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 3:18 PM

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But they obviously can’t

quartz willow Apr 18, 2019, 3:18 PM

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Same happened with marvel when they were publishing halo comic

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S

fair hazel Apr 18, 2019, 3:18 PM

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The comics are nice right now

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 3:19 PM

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The goal isn’t to please everyone the goal is to please as many people as possible

fair hazel Apr 18, 2019, 3:19 PM

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Rise of atriox. Collateral damage. Lone wolf

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 3:19 PM

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And expand their fan base so they can sell more copies

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Aye, the newer comics do look a lot better

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 3:19 PM

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343 is doing the best they can with what they were left with

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 3:20 PM

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They’re certainly combining lore and games better than Bungie

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You can fault 343 for a lot, but they’re really invested in Halo as a franchise, not just a game series

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 3:21 PM

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They had a clean slate, their failures are not because they were left a messy house, 343is struggles appear to be inexperience and high expectations

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 3:21 PM

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That much is pretty darn evident xD

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The invested in Halo as a franchise thing.

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 3:21 PM

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Those were the same problems Bungie suffered in development actually

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 3:21 PM

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Halo games going off without any kind of hitch or controversy are the exception rather than the rule. Always kinda have been.

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 3:22 PM

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^^^

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 3:22 PM

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People were unsatisfied with 2, ODST and Reach.

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 3:22 PM

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What was the problem Bungie faced in development?

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 3:22 PM

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CE got off scot-free for being the first, and Halo 3 is Halo 3.

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 3:22 PM

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Overextending themselves with high expectations

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Crunch times

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 3:23 PM

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It was different scenarios though

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But yeah

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 3:23 PM

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343i suffered both in Halo 4 and 5 with the same issues but with another issue in inexperience l

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 3:23 PM

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343 seems to have learned that lesson though

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 3:24 PM

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It’s been a long path of trial and error, I’m optimistic but I’m also heavily aware of the business situation they’re in given all the post-Mortem material that’s come up since Halo 5 came out

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A lot of senior company members leaving after Halo 4 led to inexperienced hands filling the void

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That included the lead writer and lead game designer if I remember correctly

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And the 343i team that handled Spartan Ops were shifted to the senior positions of departments meaning shifted goals and maybe a lack of early department cohesion as people got used to new leadership and new project goals

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 3:27 PM

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How do you find this stuff out?

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It seems pretty in-house kinda knowledge.

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 3:27 PM

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News articles

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Game industry YouTube analyst channels

fair hazel Apr 18, 2019, 3:28 PM

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Halo 3 has its issues

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Also beware of who you trust for YouTube

humble yacht Apr 18, 2019, 3:28 PM

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so tru

fair hazel Apr 18, 2019, 3:28 PM

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A lot of it isn’t accurate or true

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 3:28 PM

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Halo 2 was easily the worst development crunch in Bungies tenor over Halo

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True

clever fable Apr 18, 2019, 3:29 PM

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I have it on good authority that youtube is the most trustworthy source for all things

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 3:29 PM

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Usually I go find news articles that back the content creators at the least

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Corroborated sources

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 3:29 PM

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Nothing says "flawless truth" like content-desperate YouTube personalities.

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 3:29 PM

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Kek

clever fable Apr 18, 2019, 3:30 PM

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HaloFollower 👀

quartz willow Apr 18, 2019, 3:30 PM

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Hi I'm back boi

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 3:31 PM

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Something about the way the videos are titled

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Probably the use of caps

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Y'know what

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I'm gonna give a few of the recent vids a go

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I'm being too judgy

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~~Man, this is some intense lore discussion~~

hardy goblet Apr 18, 2019, 3:33 PM

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I'll ask something lore related then 😉

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Does somebody know if some shield worlds have been filled with forerunners ?

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Nothing mentions that from what I read so far, and I'm quite curious about it

humble yacht Apr 18, 2019, 3:35 PM

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I don't think shield worlds are housing forerunners

clever fable Apr 18, 2019, 3:35 PM

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Aside from Ur-Didact, I think the only speculation on that is Bastion, but that's outside our scope atm.

humble yacht Apr 18, 2019, 3:35 PM

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other than Requiem, of course

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Most forerunners died with the Halo firings

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the survivors left the galaxy in self-imposed exile

feral perch Apr 18, 2019, 3:36 PM

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Who was that... Builder, I think, who could be heard in the terminals on Genesis?

clever fable Apr 18, 2019, 3:36 PM

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Bornstellar offsping spin-off novel coming never 😢

feral perch Apr 18, 2019, 3:36 PM

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And what is Bastion?

fair hazel Apr 18, 2019, 3:36 PM

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Try not to abbreviate it grim. It’s not allowed word

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Some forerunners are around it seems

hardy goblet Apr 18, 2019, 3:36 PM

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In Onyx, it's mentioned that there are huge building, obviously made to receive civilians and host them

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 3:36 PM

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HaloFollower isn’t a trust worthy source of Halo news since he spends too much time being a rumor mill

hardy goblet Apr 18, 2019, 3:36 PM

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So, my guess was that some other shield worlds could have been inhabited

clever fable Apr 18, 2019, 3:37 PM

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I don't know anyone that takes HF seriously atm.

hardy goblet Apr 18, 2019, 3:37 PM

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Yeah, he is overstretching his theories a bit, and offering them as truth

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A real Prophet, uh ? 😉

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 3:38 PM

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No one should but I refrain from going beyond that because discussing a member of our community like that is both disrespectful and a bit dangerous on a server like this

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Don’t want to upset anyone over it out of respect for the server’s intention of keeping a peaceful environment

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Smearing is never my intention

clever fable Apr 18, 2019, 3:39 PM

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Shield Worlds were part of the Sword/Shield combo between them, and the Halo rings, Xirei. The shield worlds would be transported to systems at signs of infection, and the inhabitants of that system could take residence within the shield world while outgoing forces could cleanse everything. It kinda stands at odds with the stated reason for the original Halo array being reduced in sized, but it is what it is for right now.

hardy goblet Apr 18, 2019, 3:40 PM

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Yeah, so it sounds a bit odd that no shield yet, except Requiem and its population of .... 1, were found inhabited

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Since they were specifically made to host the populations of forerunner worlds

clever fable Apr 18, 2019, 3:43 PM

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Mostly due to the scale of the war, and tactics used I'd imagine. The Flood was taking ancillas, so it'd get the locations of any number of shield worlds. The Forerunners eventually made the call to rendezvous at the greater ark, which is outside of the galaxy.

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I'd imagine that at some point most of the locations were deemed unsafe, but that's just my thoughts on it.

humble yacht Apr 18, 2019, 3:43 PM

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Then it got blowed up

hardy goblet Apr 18, 2019, 3:45 PM

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Weren't the content of the Shield Worlds protected from the Halo effect anyway ?

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Since the Ur-Didact survived

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isn't it a huge flaw in the Forerunners strategy, if we assume that some shield worlds fell in the hands of the parasite ?

clever fable Apr 18, 2019, 3:46 PM

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Eh, you just couldn't make a guarantee on the Flood not creeping into them anymore, like the case with the shield world in HW1.

hardy goblet Apr 18, 2019, 3:46 PM

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True

clever fable Apr 18, 2019, 3:47 PM

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Since Ancillas were being taken on contact, and Mendicant being at the head of it all, I'd imagine a variety of fallback plans had to be scrapped.

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 3:48 PM

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@clever fable some shield worlds are protected against the Halos, some are not

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Requiem was not resistant to the Halos firing

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Etan Harborage was

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This is due to requiem being the first shield world and built before the Halos, Etran Harborage from Halo Wars was built after the Halos

hardy goblet Apr 18, 2019, 3:50 PM

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Wait .... Was the didact put in Requiem after the array activation ? I don't remember

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 3:51 PM

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No, his Cryptum is halo resistant

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The shield world itself is not protected

hardy goblet Apr 18, 2019, 3:51 PM

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Then why not building more halo resistant cryptums

carmine sleet Apr 18, 2019, 3:51 PM

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He was put in there before Halo was fired

clever fable Apr 18, 2019, 3:51 PM

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Thinking on it, even if a known shield world was safe, with slipspace being botched, there wouldn't have been a good way to get to one. You're right, DT, Requiem was a template.

carmine sleet Apr 18, 2019, 3:51 PM

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Also, the Cryptum isn't resistant to the firing, Requiem was

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 3:52 PM

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The Flood could still break into a cryptum

carmine sleet Apr 18, 2019, 3:52 PM

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Also that

hardy goblet Apr 18, 2019, 3:52 PM

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Same for a Shield World

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It's still a huge flaw in the forerunners plan

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 3:52 PM

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Requiem I remember reading was not halo resistant

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It’s not a “conservation sphere”

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Which is the designation for post-Halo construction shield worlds

clever fable Apr 18, 2019, 3:55 PM

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There wasn't really much planning to be done beyond what they did. Almost their entire infrastructure was taken out from under them. When the Flood came back, the war was relatively quick for a galactic conflict. The previous incursion lasted much longer, so in their hubris they didn't take appropriate measures.

hardy goblet Apr 18, 2019, 3:56 PM

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Yeah, could be indeed that even on a subconscious way, they didn't imagine loosing

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 3:57 PM

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They were the top of the galaxy, with a supposed infallible political and culture theory

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They believed they were the masters of the galaxy, it’s hard to imagine your fall when you’re at the top with no apparent challengers

hardy goblet Apr 18, 2019, 3:58 PM

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Even less since it's the case for thousands of years lol

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 3:58 PM

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When the humans attacked, the Forerunners themselves were confused and surprised

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True. A longer time tends to make concepts like failure less alarming

clever fable Apr 18, 2019, 3:59 PM

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DT I found the bulletin where the answer was given for the Ur-Didact's survival. It does specify that his Cryptum is what saved him. Doesn't mention Requiem, but I don't think it needs to at that point.

hardy goblet Apr 18, 2019, 3:59 PM

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Oh ! That leads me to another thing which is in my mind. In some article on the forerunners on Halopedia / halofandom, don't remember which one, it is said that only 2 civilisations had a higher technological tier than the forerunners

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The Precursors obviously

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But the second one ... ?

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 4:00 PM

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None

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Only the Precursors

hardy goblet Apr 18, 2019, 4:00 PM

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Yeah, that's what I thought too

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It confused me lol

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 4:01 PM

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I’ll check with CIA931 later about it

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See if he can find out where that came from

hardy goblet Apr 18, 2019, 4:01 PM

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Ok, ping me if you find something interesting about it 😉

clever fable Apr 18, 2019, 4:02 PM

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You could maybe include the Flood as separate in that, but that's a lot of dodgy semantics that doesn't really seem sound.

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 4:02 PM

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That’s dodgy yeah

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 4:02 PM

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covenant have tier 2

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humanity are tier 3

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what would ancient humanity be?

clever fable Apr 18, 2019, 4:04 PM

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Possibly tier 1. They were using their alliance with the san'shyuum to accelerate their technological advancements after a series of dark ages.

hardy goblet Apr 18, 2019, 4:04 PM

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Tienr1

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 4:04 PM

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how did they go extinct?

hardy goblet Apr 18, 2019, 4:05 PM

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If I remember well, they've been downed to tier 7 after their defeat in the forerunner - human war

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And then, treated like the rest of the sentient species in the galaxy

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Indexed and wiped out

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gtg, thanks for the convo 😃

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 4:10 PM

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Np

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 4:12 PM

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🤠🤠

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 4:31 PM

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A spartans armor is made of titanium, correct?

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What are the black flexible parts around the joints mad eof?

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made of*

simple locust Apr 18, 2019, 4:34 PM

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Can elites eat human food?

fair hazel Apr 18, 2019, 4:34 PM

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Composites and stuff.

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Titanium based

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 4:35 PM

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Elites probably can

simple locust Apr 18, 2019, 4:36 PM

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What about grunts? What do they eat or drink besides milk?

last anchor Apr 18, 2019, 4:36 PM

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Anything they can shove in their mouth. Including human flesh.

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 4:36 PM

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Halo: The Thursday War gives a brief look at the Elites staple diet. One of their primary sources of meat is called a colo, which Elite farmers domesticate. Another primary grain is called irkun (that's the Jackal name for it; the book didn't specify what the Elite name for it is).

thorny wyvern Apr 18, 2019, 5:10 PM

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Got a question

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What was Dare considered?

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She was ONI, not an ODST

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but is there a term for like..an..ONI...combat operative?

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 5:11 PM

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She’s ONI section I

thorny wyvern Apr 18, 2019, 5:11 PM

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Boom

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Thank you

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👏

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 5:11 PM

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That’s the division

thorny wyvern Apr 18, 2019, 5:11 PM

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That's good enough for what I needed

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unless there's like an actual term for her activities branch specifically

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 5:11 PM

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She’d simply be titled by her rank

thorny wyvern Apr 18, 2019, 5:11 PM

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gotcha

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yeah I mostly mean for people in her position

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I'm writing a Halo tabletop RPG story and it involves an embedded ONI operative in combat gear

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similar to Dare.

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 5:12 PM

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Do you know about the various ONI sections?

thorny wyvern Apr 18, 2019, 5:12 PM

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Yeah

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 5:13 PM

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every section has their own operators. Section III has the most.

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Section I are the ones most commonly deployed alongside other branches, stuff like Prowler Corps and the like.

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Section II are PR and Intelligence gathering

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Section III are black ops and R&D

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And Section 0 is internal affairs

thorny wyvern Apr 18, 2019, 5:14 PM

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yea

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Section 1 works best for this

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def

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 5:15 PM

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We’ve seen Section III also embed individuals or units among regular squads.

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During the events of The Mona Lisa

Though technically the entire operation was Section III run and overseen, the Marines were simply security, but there was an ONI spook inserted into the squad

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 5:16 PM

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When was ONI Created?

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 5:17 PM

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Probably at least a hundred years prior to Covenant Contact, at least that’s my guess

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They’re so prevalent as of 2511-2517 they can’t be a new organization

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 5:18 PM

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were they created for the orion prject?

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 5:18 PM

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ONI is far older than the first iteration of Orion.

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 5:18 PM

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I doubt an entire intelligence organization were made for one project

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 5:19 PM

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Heck, ONI could be an off shoot of today’s version of ONI.

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The United States Navy’s Office of Naval Intelligence.

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And Eternal is correct, Project Orion has nothing to do with the creation of ONI. ONI predates it probably by hundreds of years

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 5:21 PM

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Are ODST's Oni or Unsc? or are there branche sin both?

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 5:21 PM

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ODST are UNSC Marine Corps

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Have nothing to do with ONI

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 5:21 PM

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Ohh yea, in new blood, buck talks about the whole dare oni thing

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An army of sangheili warriors with energy swords vs an army of Sith warriors from the Old Republic

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 5:22 PM

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They’re in a relationship, that’s it Buck and Dare are two totally different career fields

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sith lords

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 5:22 PM

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Sith would win, they have force

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And i was saying how when buck first found out about dare's actual job @vague scroll

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 5:23 PM

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Fair enough

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 5:24 PM

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Is the average brute, physically stronger than a spartan 2?

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 5:24 PM

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Stronger

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Spartans are more considered an equal to Elites

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 5:25 PM

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in physicality?

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 5:25 PM

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In general

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Physically Brutes have simply been depicted as stronger than Spartans

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There’s no actual data that says they’re stronger but that’s really all we have to go off of

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 5:26 PM

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could the average brute break a spartans arm? or only someone like atriox, or tartarus

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 5:26 PM

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We don’t know. Again. No data.

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Up for interpretation. Generally Brutes are depicted as massive tanks that can take and dish out equal damage

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 5:27 PM

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and go into that whole angry state when close to death

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kind of like a spartan 3 form gamma?

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 5:27 PM

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That’s a gameplay mechanic

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 5:27 PM

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from*

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 5:28 PM

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Spartans are equal in strength but faster than elites.

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I'm guessing it's similar with the brutes. THey're stronger but Spartans are just absurdly faster.

gilded mason Apr 18, 2019, 5:29 PM

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Spartans are equal in strength but faster than elites.
Didn't Hunters in the Dark show that Elite (or at least the Elites there) are faster?

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 5:29 PM

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that was an S-IV

gilded mason Apr 18, 2019, 5:29 PM

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SIV and SIIs are equals (physically) when in GEN2 armor

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 5:29 PM

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S-II's and III's have been said to move faster than Elites can track.

vague scroll Apr 18, 2019, 5:30 PM

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There is a lack of consistency in depictions, just assume every Spartan is unique.

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 5:30 PM

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GEN2 equalizes strength, we don't know if it does the same for reaction time

feral perch Apr 18, 2019, 5:31 PM

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A Brute nearly squeezed Chief to death in his Mark V Mjolnir in First Strike

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 5:31 PM

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i mean, kelly is fast

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but also their neck is vulnerable

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 5:32 PM

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who's neck?

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 5:32 PM

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spartans

modest marsh Apr 18, 2019, 5:32 PM

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Chief’s Mark V was on its last leg

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It had been shredded multiple times prior to that and was about to die

feral perch Apr 18, 2019, 5:33 PM

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True.

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 5:33 PM

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the vulnerable neck is protected by the tech suit, that's hardly unprotected.

feral perch Apr 18, 2019, 5:33 PM

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At least he got ONI's money's worth out of it.

humble yacht Apr 18, 2019, 5:33 PM

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techsuit isn't bullet proof, afaik

versed helm Apr 18, 2019, 5:33 PM

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it’s a composite, it’s not completely metal

feral perch Apr 18, 2019, 5:33 PM

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Stopped a Halo and a Covenant armada over a couple of weeks.

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 5:34 PM

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IIRC it's resistant to small arms.

modest marsh Apr 18, 2019, 5:36 PM

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It should be bulletproof

humble yacht Apr 18, 2019, 5:36 PM

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bullet resistant, maybe

feral perch Apr 18, 2019, 5:36 PM

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well now that multiplayer is canon, heh

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it ain't

modest marsh Apr 18, 2019, 5:37 PM

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A marine BDU is only 10kg

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The techsuit is 42kg

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And made using a significantly more advanced material

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 5:37 PM

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it's made out o a titanium nanocomposite, IIRC

humble yacht Apr 18, 2019, 5:38 PM

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yep

modest marsh Apr 18, 2019, 5:38 PM

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Yes, over a shock absorbent layer which should further dissipate bullet impacts

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Most depictions have the exterior of the undersuit having hard armor panels

humble yacht Apr 18, 2019, 5:39 PM

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Which is why a spartan can take quite a few bodyshots before going down (after energy shields pop)

modest marsh Apr 18, 2019, 5:39 PM

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I mean

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They’re about as protected as a modern infantry from modern weapons sans shields, speaking solely towards small arms, but again gameplay isn’t canon

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It’s established Spartans use live weapons when training against one another

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 5:41 PM

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Important to note SPI's bodysuit is noted as being denser and tougher than Kevlar but with half the weight, and, IIRC Kevlar is bulletproof, or at least a material used in bulletproof vests. If SPI has it, MJOLNIR's undersuit definitely is.

modest marsh Apr 18, 2019, 5:41 PM

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Kevlar has limited durability

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 5:42 PM

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yes.

modest marsh Apr 18, 2019, 5:42 PM

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It will eventually fail

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Though the material described was an inner layer

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 5:42 PM

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so will most armour systems

modest marsh Apr 18, 2019, 5:42 PM

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The outer layer is protected with hard armor

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Well hard armor deforms or ablates

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Kevlar rips

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 5:43 PM

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mhm, but it is still bullet or impact resistant, for a time.

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obviously repeated impacts will destroy or ruin the material's durability.

humble yacht Apr 18, 2019, 5:43 PM

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kevlar provides protection against modern ammunition

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but UNSC ammo is stronger

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I imagine kevlar would not hold up against a M6D

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 5:44 PM

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I'm not saying UNSC body armour is made from kevlar, I"m saying SPI's undersuit is denser and tougher but with half the weight.

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which is direct from Halopedia.

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well, paraphrased

modest marsh Apr 18, 2019, 5:45 PM

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You need more than just Kevlar to stop repeated impacts from full length rifle rounds anyway

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 5:45 PM

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The bodysuit of the SPI system is composed of a layered mesh of ballistic liquid nanocrystal that is significantly more effective than traditional body armor materials such as Kevlar while being less bulky.[4][28][34] The techsuit's leggings[35] and sleeves can be removed independently.[36]

humble yacht Apr 18, 2019, 5:46 PM

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Ok

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 5:46 PM

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if SPI has that, MJOLNIR has better

humble yacht Apr 18, 2019, 5:46 PM

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sure

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 5:46 PM

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I'm just posting it/bringing it up as a comparison.

humble yacht Apr 18, 2019, 5:46 PM

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but "better" doesn't necessarily mean 100% bulletproof against repeated shots

modest marsh Apr 18, 2019, 5:46 PM

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MJOLNIR is like 45 times heavier

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 5:46 PM

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I never said it was 100% against repeated shots though

humble yacht Apr 18, 2019, 5:47 PM

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I think it's fair that bodysuits are considered weakpoints of Mjolnir

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i.e. the areas not covered by plates

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 5:47 PM

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I said "It's bullet resistant", which is true.

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yeah

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but it's not unprotected by any means

humble yacht Apr 18, 2019, 5:48 PM

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relative to the outer plating, i could see how one could describe it as unprotected

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but it's certainly not as weak as bare flesh

modest marsh Apr 18, 2019, 5:49 PM

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Its excessive weight isn’t justifiable then

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Even just the techsuit is worth 4 sets of marine armor layered on top of each other

strong sage Apr 18, 2019, 5:49 PM

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Owhhhhh talking about durability i see ^^

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 5:50 PM

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yis

strong sage Apr 18, 2019, 5:50 PM

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Is the Mjolnir bulletproof or just bullet resistance apart from plasma etx Thats one thing i really don’t understand about mjolnir suits

modest marsh Apr 18, 2019, 5:51 PM

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It depends on the armor honestly

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The newer GEN2 suits offer less ballistic protection

humble yacht Apr 18, 2019, 5:51 PM

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I don't think anything is 100% bulletproof forever

modest marsh Apr 18, 2019, 5:51 PM

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Sure

strong sage Apr 18, 2019, 5:51 PM

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And the titanium they used is it like the starship grade plating or different?

humble yacht Apr 18, 2019, 5:51 PM

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shoot GEN1 armor enough with small arms, eventually it will give

modest marsh Apr 18, 2019, 5:51 PM

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Its the same

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I mean

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The Mark I suits were described as impervious to small arms

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MJOLNIR is just a condensed version of that

strong sage Apr 18, 2019, 5:52 PM

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Yeah thats what i heard also fam :/

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Ahhh i see that explains

modest marsh Apr 18, 2019, 5:52 PM

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Obviously nothing is invincible, vulnerabilities are bound to exist

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But like

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Take the visor for example

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Even ODST visors can survive direct impacts from handgun rounds

strong sage Apr 18, 2019, 5:53 PM

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But is it possible that Gen 3 might either used nano laminate or forerunner metal materials?

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I know that gen 3 isn’t confirmed yet ish but thats just my theory

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 5:53 PM

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MJOLNIR isn't bulletproof, you need Armour Piercing ammo to penetrate. IIRC it's mentioned in Ghosts of Onyx that it's comparable to a light tank.

I think.

modest marsh Apr 18, 2019, 5:54 PM

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They were using machine guns that were noted to be especially difficult to fire while standing

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Probably not even meant to be used that way

strong sage Apr 18, 2019, 5:54 PM

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Wait what materials are odst visors made of?

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They that hard to crack? 😮

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 5:54 PM

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I meant more the ammunition Kurt finds.

strong sage Apr 18, 2019, 5:54 PM

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Da heck

modest marsh Apr 18, 2019, 5:55 PM

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Transparent metal I think

strong sage Apr 18, 2019, 5:55 PM

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I thought they we are made of normal glass or plastic or something. Never know odst visors are that advanced

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Dayyum

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 5:56 PM

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pretty sure most combat visors are, MJOLNIR, SPI, maybe the full visored helemts used by other branches.

humble yacht Apr 18, 2019, 5:56 PM

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We've got glass that can take handgun rounds in modern era

stoic hamlet Apr 18, 2019, 5:56 PM

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yep

strong sage Apr 18, 2019, 5:57 PM

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Woaaaah

humble yacht Apr 18, 2019, 5:57 PM

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It's just that normally people don't carry enough ammo to compromise the integrity of bulletproof glass

strong sage Apr 18, 2019, 5:57 PM

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But i assume odsts are made of more advanced than our current modern one aye?

humble yacht Apr 18, 2019, 5:58 PM

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probably

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would make sense

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it is the future

strong sage Apr 18, 2019, 5:58 PM

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And owh since we talking about odst im curious about one thing about their recruitment

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We know that uhh odst training is hellish and tough

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But uhhhh i wonder how women passed as well (im not being a biased or uhh anything) im just curious. Could it be the standards for women joining odst are lowered compared to men

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Im not being biased or saying that women couldn’t do anything.

humble yacht Apr 18, 2019, 6:00 PM

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:/

strong sage Apr 18, 2019, 6:01 PM

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Sorry if i uhhhh