Mars, also known as Sol IV, known as Edom in the Forerunner era, is the fourth planet of the Sol system, and one of four terrestrial worlds. One of the first human interplanetary colonies, Mars is a major industrial center and one of the largest in the Sol system. Mars is home to the UNSC Navy's primary shipyards and the Orbital Drop Shock Troopers' headquarters in the city of Kenosha, Tanais.
#lore-and-universe
humble yacht
from Halopedia
versed helm
Why is this server so censored?
humble yacht
If you mean why it doesn't allow profanity, that's because that's how 343 wants it
versed helm
I miss bungie
humble yacht
They didn't go anywhere. Bungie.net is still active.
versed helm
Orkz rule da galaxy
quartz willow
Hello fellow lore bois
versed helm
I do wonder...is Abbadon truly gone or is he still lurking somewhere in the depths of the Domain,waiting for his chance to return
last anchor
The latter, probably
versed helm
@versed helm he's still alive
I do wonder how he might return though
What if he's using Cortana to weaken the galaxy
He has 2 daemonic primarchs on his side so they could aid him
Since the Precursors are basically gods,why would they need an AI?
humble yacht
Why did they create the Forerunners?
At their level, they do things because they can, not necessarily because they need to
versed helm
because the spartan handbook confirmed the existence of gen 3 do you think that’s what we’ll be using in halo infinite
i believe it said something like along the lines of it combining aspects of generations 1 and 2
stoic hamlet
Probably the in-universe reason for the change in style, yeah
humble yacht
The Spartan Handbook explained the existence of a conceptual design of armor known as GEN3. But afaik, didn't state that any such armor had been produced or was in development
versed helm
WAAAGH!
buoyant galleon
hi
versed helm
I do wonder..are there other surviving Forerunners out there besides the Ur-Didact,Bornstellar's group,and that unknown Builder that was looking for Bastion?
versed helm
I also wonder..why was the rest of Path Kethona devoid of life...seems kind of suspicious
versed helm
I hope the Marines in Halo Infinite sound like this
https://youtu.be/P5mZhTBcGlw
soft quail
I hope Halo Infinite is good
A return to classic form with the improved storytelling from 4/5
CE maps, 2 gunplay, reach AI, 3 equipment, 2 anniversary graphics
And honest to God helpful Marines for once
remote spruce
CE damage stats
soft quail
I do want health meter back
Even in multiplayer having low health really doesn't mean much with precision weapons
stoic hamlet
I doubt we’ll be getting the individual health bar back
There’s no logical reason for it
In-universe anyways, unless they explain that you’re restocking your internal biofoam canisters or something
modest marsh
Press X to craft Medkit
strong sage
I hope GEN 3 Mjolnir will be a great leap and improvement for spartans , who knows at the very least they are around level 8-10 of the forerunner armor scale
Speaking of ratings
Since civilian forerunner has a level 8 scale armor , anyone knows how strong it is
Phew i though this was spoiler chat section was scrolling around there yesterday
soft quail
H5 health bar is more like a second shield that replenishes itself
You don't need a lore explaination for video game health packs.
humble yacht
regenerating health is still health
last anchor
All MJLONIR post MK V has had built in biofoam injectors anyway.
soft quail
Reminds me of the hazardous environment suit in half life
WARNING. USER DEATH IMMENENT
Doesn't biofoam just stabilize the wound and stop internal bleeding?
I don't see how it can just make a health bar go back up immediately
How does the suit even qualtify how much "health" a Spartan has?
vague scroll
Gameplay isn’t canon
The Spartans have an internalized health meter that identifies how much damage a Spartan can take without shields
If the shield recharges, health resets
And med pack has more than biofoam in it
Medigel is in there too
soft quail
That begs the question, would shields not be able to block melee or fall damage, if it's just an electromagnetic field that deflects/absorbs plasma and bullets?
soft quail
So punching a wall would trigger the shield?
last anchor
Nylund made it seem its that way too. Melee can be stopped by a shield.
And it interacts with the real world too. chief mentions feeling like hes walking on greased ice when he kicks the sheild power on his boot soles up
So it repels simple existing matter
modest marsh
@soft quail Spartans have an accelerated healing factor, thus having the wound stabilized immediately after the injury might as well allow them to fully heal within a few hours if not minutes, at least well enough that they don’t have noticeable debilitation
Bouncing back from the brink of death is just game mechanics of course
Within seconds, at least
There’s also the restoration field tech we don’t know much about but it’s possible that stuff also contributes to GEN2 Spartans healing from injury quickly
tropic ginkgo
Source on Spartans only taking minutes to heal? Minor wounds or multiple gun shots/stab wounds? they definitely heal from injury faster than typical human specimen, but I'm curious how fast exactly if its been said somewhere
simple locust
What does that shield looking thing on the Halo 2 health bar represent?
versed helm
What would like to see in future Halo media
simple locust
I would like to see an Insurrectionist video game.
simple locust
Yeah have it be a war against UNSC imperialism or something like that.
modest marsh
@tropic ginkgo one of the the Black Team Spartans recovered from being shot in the head with a Carbine
No medical attention required, just biofoam
She was out for like half an hour at most
versed helm
@simple locust The UNSC is not imperialist
Because the UNSC is not an empire, it is technically just a space control arm of the UEG, with its fingers in military, exploratory and scientific pies as a result
The UEG is not an empire either - it's a representative democratic world-government that funds and oversees a broad variety of long-term colonization projects.
It's not like there were pre-existing human populations on the colonies that the UEG moved in on and invaded.
All humans in Halo come from Earth - some are a few generations down the line, however, and feel as their loyalties should not lie with their homeworld and species.
Which is wrong, and the absolute existential wrongness of it makes innies a very compelling enemy to me.
As in, I dislike them intensely.
They represent many of the nationalistic false ideals and silly in-group notions that hold modern humanity back.
lilac palm
@strong sage I Agree. I disliked the seemingly slim design of some of the armor designs
Armours like Warrior and the Scanner Helmet are relatively good designs. I really like the design of them and I Wish designs like theem are implemented! Oh, and Groin protection aswell! Should be mandatory for all Spartans! : )
obsidian thistle
The undersuit be very strong.
Even extra groin protection would really only do good in a EOD scenario or a suit made to be a tank. Thankfully we have a suit made for the latter. :)
hasty geyser
That's the best halo 5 armour I've seen
obsidian thistle
Stealth armor do well to ignore groin armor as it does hinder movement that may be needed for a scenario. Even if the games never show it.
strong sage
Well im hoping that they will improve the Atlas armor as well , just imagine the Atlas Gen 3 version with various heavy weapons the operator can just basically siege their targets while the rest go assaulting whatever their target is xd
hasty geyser
Was it 150 children abducted for the II program, or 75?
obsidian thistle
75
hasty geyser
Thank you
full furnace
Yes, but only around 35 survived augmentation. @hasty geyser
hasty geyser
Ye, ty
celest island
My elite @quartz willow
quartz willow
Yes my good sir
celest island
I just realized that everybody got excited over halo TV show even tho it never came out
I think
;—;
quartz willow
It's supposed to come out but I'm not sure when it's supposed to come out all I know is it will be on stars or showtime I cant remember which one
celest island
Ok but didn’t HiddenXperia HaloFollower and a bunch of others make videos about this in 2017
??
carmine sleet
The TV series is still coming but does not have a release date right now
versed helm
Spring 2019 is filming
celest island
Oof k then
versed helm
But if they end up going through with some stated changes then it’s going to be a joke
And slap into face to the fan base
humble yacht
they haven't stated any changes
carmine sleet
If Dark is referring to what I think they are, I think they're looking too much into what was said
humble yacht
People are responding less to the actual statement and more to what a few people think the statement meant
carmine sleet
Indeed, I'm going to actually wait for BTS pictures and stuff like that before making any judgements
quartz willow
Yes I like yo waiy gor trailers and other things such as teasers before I make my judgements about anything
hexed folio
hi
lilac palm
@obsidian thistle Ah right. Why not? THANK GOD FOR INDOMITABLE!
last anchor
hehe
exotic ravine
whip
lilac palm
So, do does anyone think that GEN3 will use the older GEN 1 designs of MJOLNIR?
obsidian thistle
Hard to say. I'd guess its a mix of both GEN1 and 2.
lilac palm
Hopefully not as many unnessacary variants. Id rather not have another Oceanic.
compact sierra
Btw, are "soma the painter" and "wages of sin" story is already included in halo evolution ? I am confused..
versed helm
UNSC vs the Sith empire (Old Republic), who wins?
compact sierra
What about, halo by paul cook ? Is it in other lore or some sort relate to halo universe ?
versed helm
It's halo vs star wars lol
The entire planet of Mandalore vs a Covenant invasion fleet
fair hazel
Kotor? Tor?
compact sierra
Ohh wait nvm
lucid python
I mean the republic doesnt have the tech level of the forerunners
humble yacht
Forerunners are an entire race practically on the level of Force Wielders
lucid python
Yeah
Exactly
If they have the capability to build multiple rings capable of wiping out life on a mass scale then they could probably take the republic
versed helm
Mandalorians are similar to Spartans
fair hazel
Spartans
versed helm
The ones from the Old Republic were a lot stronger
Than the current ones
Before their planet was decimated
lucid python
Yeah
versed helm
I wonder if Darth Revan could survive a fight against the Didact
fair hazel
Unsc bullets and their weaponry would honestly be quite effective
lucid python
Against mandalorians?
I mean mandalorian armor is some of the best ever and even light sabers cant cut straight through it
versed helm
Is there character in Halo that could go one on one against the one of the most powerful Sith lords?
gilded mason
I mean mandalorian armor is some of the best ever and even light sabers cant cut straight through it
Is that canon, or just Legends?
carmine sleet
I think that's legends only, I don't recall it being in canon
Like, Mandalorian armour is tougher than most but not that tough
fair hazel
In Star Wars. Their plating is good.
lucid python
No its cannon
fair hazel
But the didact indeed is very powerful.
gilded mason
No its cannon
Know where it was said?
lucid python
The shoulder pads of darth vader is even made out of the same material
fair hazel
Range, accuracy, rate of fire, speed of weaponry.
carmine sleet
Vader's armour has been damaged by sabers multiple times in canon
lucid python
Im talking about the shoulder peice
Thats why lukes lightsaber doesnt instantly destroy it in episode 5 during their duel
fair hazel
fin doesnt die from saber either
humble yacht
it was a grave wound but too shallow to be instantly fatal
last anchor
Probably hurt like all hell tho
Then again it did get instantly cautorized cause lightsaber
Also no, Mandalorian iron (aka Beskar) is no longer the "Nope.exe" to lightsabers it once was. Now its just tougher than normal.
It was rare to begin with, most beskar'gama was made using plasteel or similar materials.
And of course if you manage to get the neck joint well
versed helm
I guess Elon Musk is in the halo universe...
Mars, also known as Sol IV,[3] known as Edom in the Forerunner era,[4] is the fourth planet of the Sol system, and one of four terrestrial worlds. One of the first human interplanetary colonies,[5]
fair hazel
What makes you say that at all
carmine sleet
I'd say none of what they said is conclusive evidence that Musk colonised Mars
versed helm
i mean...tbf if anyone's going to do it in the real world. he's probably gonna be spearheading it
but that still doesnt translate to halo as it's not happened
carmine sleet
Indeed
versed helm
by that logic he's also the cause of everything in DOOM
carmine sleet
Or everything that led humanity using the relays in Mass Effect
versed helm
every fictional media relating to mars is actually just a prophetic tome about elon musk colonizing mars
Eef
vague scroll
The only major sci fi game franchise I've seen give credit to Musk and SpaceX was Mass Effect: Andromeda. His contributions to the space age might earn him a ship name in the long run but not yet.
We got instead the UNSC Sagan Blue which was named in honor of Carl Sagan, and the UNSC Armstrong which is named after Neil Armstrong. As far as I remember, there is a limited number of references to real life people in the Halo series.
versed helm
Oofoo
last anchor
Im still waiting for someone to mention that when we colonized Mars we found all the rovers
And theres a statue somewhere on Olympus Mons of them together
gaunt karma
the UNSC Musk
static trench
Bring our Rovers home!
obsidian thistle
Who wants to see some technical lore for the civilian hog I found today? 😃
subtle depot
Yeah sure why not?
obsidian thistle
We got like "costs" and "wheel" names.
😄
versed helm
The Dark Side of the Force is the pathway to many abilities some consider, unnatural.
gilded mason
One of the two
cinder turtle
@gilded mason ask jango fett, his head got cut right off by a light sabre
It’s light sabre resistant not lightsaber proof
modest marsh
I recall a legends material offering the idea that it lacked a neck seal that was armored, but that’s obvious not canon anymore
strong sage
@modest marsh is it around the same level as Mac rounds fam? The nuke liberty prime uses
modest marsh
Not even close
Fallout has a rather impractical approach towards the use of radiological weapons
Granted, liberty prime is a psychological weapon
But in essence, the actual destructive force of his nukes only amount to something that an antivehicle missile could accomplish
Just that it also distributes high doses of radiation
Similarly, Covenant weapons are radiological, however most of the output is purely kinetic or thermal comparatively
You could probably replicate the destructive power of Liberty Prime’s nukes with a few volleys from a fuel rod gun or plasma launcher
In all fairness, the nukes are probably designed for clearing out entrenched Chinese soldiers hiding in buildings and such, whereas the eye lasers are far more practical for direct assault
versed helm
Would you guys like to see a Halo MMOFPS similar to Planetside 2?
gilded mason
Nah.
versed helm
I sure as hell would
carmine sleet
I wouldn’t want to see X game with a Halo skin. If I want Planetside 2, I'd play Planetside 2
versed helm
But it would be nice seeing other games take inspiration from Planetside
Like Halo
Halo would be the option
light quail
I think the only thing I would want implemented from Planetside 2 to Halo Infinite would be the giant battles. 50 vs 50. Something I think is definitely possible with their new engine and the rumored next gen consoles
versed helm
Not that this is entirely on-topic, but I've always felt that bigger battles isn't the key to success for Halo's multiplayer.
Halo's premise is that you're playing as a battle-armoured super soldier - being wiped out in huge engagements over which you have little agency kinda hurts that feeling.
Warzone is certainly very much on the right track for how Halo's multiplayer should evolve imo, especially paired with the more traditional arena modes still present. Though I still have some pretty serious reservations about how AI enemies feel to fight and how Spartans feel to play in that game.
But that's neither here-nor-there.
I feel like Halo's multiplayer could certainly work for huge-scale PvP battles, but thematically I reckon it'd be more suited to like an ODSTs vs Elites type thing. Heavy shock infantry going head-to-head, with heavy casualties expected on both sides.
When it comes to Spartans, I say keep the player counts modest and throw in AI distractions that you'd fight just like you would any campaign enemy.
(Removed a bit of a tangential rant, if you're wondering about the gap)
strong sage
Sooo i was replaying back halo spartan strike , and while playing i just noticed something when playing one of the missions. The intel operator girl said something about how warthog cannon are linked with the mjolnir helmet but im not sure which gen version thou is this cannon?
In which they can be remote controlleable
carmine sleet
I think that was more for gameplay than anything else
strong sage
Ahhh i see thou is it somehow possible that their helmets have those function especially with gen 2 with getting new features fam?
modest marsh
You would need a custom warthog rig for that to work but I don’t see why it wouldn’t be possible
Head tracking is a feature implemented on modern aircraft anyway
It shouldn’t be specific to an armor generation, it’s just contentious by what mechanism the weapon is fired
It’s possible it fires from thought-based impulses through the MJOLNIR interface, although that severely limits how and when it’s used
Alternatively it just works with any form of head tracking such as through common UNSC helmets or what have you, and there’s a trigger in the wheel or something
I imagine the guns on gungeese work the same
We’d probably never see widespread implementation of systems like these because it goes against the aesthetics of manned-turret operation Halo typically leans towards, when realistically automated systems would work better
For example, the MLRS emplacements aboard the Mammoth in Halo 4
Those should be run by an operator within the Mammoth if not completely automated like CIWS guns on ships
versed helm
NO
I refuse to believe that was only gameplay
It makes sense for the UNSC to have VISR linked CROWS-style systems.
modest marsh
There’s no reason to assume it’s gameplay only, yeah
But its also fundamentally contradictive to Halo’s aesthetic
versed helm
I hate to get confrontational about this
But that's utter garbage.
"Fundamentally contradictive to Halo's aesthetic".
modest marsh
A marine firing the .50 from the back of a warthog is like
Super iconic to the franchise
versed helm
Sure it is.
But that doesn't mean alternate weapon systems contradict it.
Or that gameplay and lore shouldn't explore different possibilities.
modest marsh
Some of halo’s most iconic moments involve having someone shooting the gun from the back
modest marsh
What I’m saying is it’s doubtful that we’ll ever see widespread implementation when the fun of a warthog is that it’s a group vehicle
versed helm
I'm not contradicting that either.
modest marsh
Well then there’s no conflict here lol
That armored vehicle from Collateral Damage had operator-controlled guns
strong sage
Maybe its just a prototype system that unsc are still currently testing , not to mention that The missions that we play in Spartan Strike is a simulated battlefield so they decided to test it there
strong sage
That is uhhh trueee
modest marsh
There’s no reason why they’d need to test it
versed helm
It's not a test thing. My theory - automated weapon systems were probably very commonplace before plasma became as widespread as it did.
strong sage
Its just a theory of me fam haha thats all i could think of xd but well its a good thing i brought it up who knows 343 might clarify things about this and im not surprised if they implemented that mantis can be remote controlled in the future who knows x3
versed helm
But plasma tends to cause electronics to go funky.
Though I imagine the Warthog in its LRV configuration - big open gun on the back - has been around for a very long time. That's very much a staple - a big, easy to switch-out and maintain gun on the back of a rapid, robust platform. Designed to lay down fire and move, but not take it.
But there are almost certainly Warthog variants designed with a more protective philosophy - enclosed, armour-plated interior and automated or remote weapon systems - because those are very useful when you're fighting humans with regular guns.
The Covenant's way of war, however, is one that fundamentally screws with a lot of what we would consider nowadays to be fundamental bits of military logic. Thin bullet-proof armour isn't a such a good thing to cover your vehicle in, for instance, if it's going to flash-melt the moment plasma strikes it. Hence our doorless, lightweight, analogue warthog.
Plasma provides a really excellent explanation for a lot of the UNSC's wartime visual tropes.
And gameplay stuff, too.
radiant sphinx
That information is redacted with the blackest of inks in ONI documentation
main frost
@versed helm Keep it clean
main frost
No. Knock it off.
gaunt karma
he's 7'2" in mjolnir
6'10" out of it
I think I'm missing a few things for context
I'll peace out
peak estuary
finished reading silent storm today. it was great
versed helm
Silent Storm is like... I dunno.
It's like being a far too young reader of TFoR all over again.
It feels special. Timeless.
versed helm
That should be pinned
Or maybe there should be, like, an emote representing it
:PolaskiToTheRescue:
humble yacht
Halo CE Legendary ending is not canon
i.e. Johnson hugging an Elite as the Autumn explodes
gilded mason
The power of love teleported them both to safety.
remote spruce
"sorry Gunns, it's classified"
limpid kernel
Lol Itd be a funny canon
deft crater
I refuse to believe it not being canon. Johnson is clearly a magical being
limpid kernel
^
terse gale
RIP Polaski and the ODST
junior tapir
terse gale
Tfw you find out Jun isn't dead and is a recruiter for Spartan IV's
humble yacht
What made you think Jun was ever dead?
terse gale
People told me he got killed after escaping Reach 🤷
humble yacht
People trolled you
terse gale
Apparently, lol
versed helm
Imagine if Emperor Palpatine was in Halo
radiant sphinx
Based on all of the “imagines” I see from you being Star Wars related, maybe its best you play a little Battlefront or something?
feral perch
Any Halo Navy > any Star Wars Navy
hallow oyster
Even more so for any Covenant fleet. During the war specifically.
versed helm
The technology that was around during the Old Republic was similar to forerunner tech
There was super weapons capable of destroying half of the galaxy
Ancient mandalorians are pretty much Spartans
feral perch
At least the Death Star could probably best High Charity
Honestly would have been handy in-between Halo 2 and 3
humble yacht
Does HC even have its own armaments? I thought it relied on surrounding fleets for protection
fair hazel
the technology around the old republic was FAR from forerunner tech
humble yacht
how's that different that hyperspacing near kessel?
fair hazel
hyperspace travel is different to slipspace
with hyperspace you need a route
because if there is something in the way
then crashes ship
humble yacht
didn't star roads operate through slipspace?
if a star road went through you, you're done
fair hazel
they interfered with slipspace travel
although star roads were even more advanced tech
neural tech
humble yacht
so where slipspace is an actual separate dimension, it sounds like hyperspace is just a FTL speed in normal space
fair hazel
its different from real space in a way but it is way more influenced by real space
fair hazel
slipspace has more applications
the forerunners more than covenant or humanity employ those applications but, it works
humble yacht
I thought you were talking about hyperspace
fair hazel
i was
slipspace has more applications than hyperspace i mean
it does have its own set of rules and so on
bold ice
Keyes’ experience was awesome though how it was written
Onto First Strike
Ah guess my message was deleted for the “bad word”. But just finished The Flood. Sad ending compared to halo CEs ending
versed helm
The Flood is very grim throughout the entire book, tbh.
One of the reasons its so good.
obsidian thistle
Fun fact. The Keyes Flood Parts in "Halo: The Flood" actually flow really well with the Keyes terminal in CEA... which makes it even more sad.
strong sage
Imma have to reread it to understand it more ;-;
bold ice
i need to go back to the terminals. when i did them i usually quickly closed them since i was achievment hunting
versed helm
I want him back in games, i was hoping he was going to be in H5 with Thel
I havent read Shadow of intent, i'm actually waiting until my next payday to get the rest of my books
how did Rtas lose two of his mandibles?
unique rune
Was sent to deal with a Flood infestation on board the DSC-class Infinite Succor.
One of the Sangheili that went along with him, Bero 'Kusovai, was infected and they ended up having a sword duel, in which 'Vadum lost his left-side mandibles.
modest hinge
Did halsey design the Gen2 spartan armor, cause I know Cortana upgraded chiefs mk6 to look like gen 2 and maybe Cortana had the same idea of what new spartan armor should look like and it was the same as halsey cause she is made from halsey's brain
humble yacht
No
Gen 2 was largely designed by different private companies
Or rather, the different iterations of gen 2
ONI developed initial design of Gen 2 in house
autumn urchin
is the arbiter from halo 5 the same from halo 2/3
carmine sleet
Yes, they got Keith David back to voice him and everything
autumn urchin
why does he have a different armor
carmine sleet
Because time had passed and he moved onto a new set
feral perch
It's his Kaidon armor
carmine sleet
Indeed
feral perch
He is the leader of Vadam Keep and the Swords of Sanghelios
autumn urchin
so is cortana 100% dead?
autumn urchin
not halo 5
obsidian thistle
Yes and no
autumn urchin
they said she is gone in the cutscenes so i assumed
versed helm
Dude, you need to, all these questions are explained
carmine sleet
That's allot more complicated of a question to answer. The Cortana we once knew and loved died in Halo 4, but she fragmented and one of them ended up in the Domain. The one we see in Halo 5 is that fragment now as a full AI. Correct me if I got stuff wrong
feral perch
who said?
obsidian thistle
Yes a Cortana died in Halo 4.
feral perch
You can just go and watch a walkthrough of Halo 5 on YouTube
or read a synopsis of the plot on Halopedia or something
obsidian thistle
Well the Cortana we knew is gone.
Like hard to come back from where she went in Halo 4 and 5.
versed helm
You need to play or watch halo 5, it's explained in there pretty well
obsidian thistle
Eh I'd say Cortana in Halo 5 is one of the more poorer explained parts tbh.
versed helm
but as to what i was asking, is there a reason R'tas isn't in H5?
I mean as in what shes doing @obsidian thistle
obsidian thistle
Oh Rtas. Well as of March 3rd 2558 the Shadow of Intent is still doing stuff. So one can assume he is still on that ship doing stuff there.
versed helm
It pisses me off though that in H5 they made the Elites so weak
autumn urchin
how did the warden eternal get the "fragment" of cortana
versed helm
It's hard to explain
autumn urchin
not that hard then lol
feral perch
It came to the Domain through slipspace with fragments of the Mantle's Approach, the Didact's ship.
humble yacht
Warden didn't "get" the fragment
Fragments of Cortana found their way to the Domain through magic
versed helm
But The elites are supposed to be so scary, and tough, and also they kill jul Mdama so easily, one of the most important people to the covenant
versed helm
Shut up Exuberant, i'll blow your bulb
autumn urchin
so is she still controlling the guardians?
carmine sleet
Considering that the last time we saw Cortana, she was controlling them, I doubt she would've relinquished control over them to anyone
feral perch
the Mantle has been misused so much
versed helm
It has
carmine sleet
The concept of the Mantle of Responsibility is flawed anyway so I hope none of the races end up holding it
gilded mason
The concept of the Mantle of Responsibility is flawed anyway so I hope none of the races end up holding it
Indeed
versed helm
@gilded mason How do you do that
feral perch
backticks
gilded mason
Three of these on each side: `
versed helm
But, do the humans even know what the Mantle is?
versed helm
I don't belive so
carmine sleet
Humanity knows of the Mantle thanks to Halo 4
feral perch
you just need one on each side I think, like this
versed helm
'what'
feral perch
not apostrophes, backticks
versed helm
im confused
humble yacht
don't worry about it
feral perch
it's next to the 1 on your keyboard
autumn urchin
nice
versed helm
How do you do it to something someone else said though?
feral perch
hmm, extra backticks make larger spaces? like this?
gilded mason
@feral perch
It gives a different type of quote depending on how many are used
feral perch
That's really interesting
I didn't know that
thanks
hmm
oh, four is too many lol
I'll stop now
feral perch
pfft
carmine sleet
StoneWall's laser face was disabled
versed helm
Dang
feral perch
I'll explode in your face if you try it
versed helm
rip
carmine sleet
Anyway, back to lore
feral perch
2124 Sober Counsel
versed helm
They aren't even near how they used to be, they're so weak
feral perch
The Elites are nothing like Brutes in any variation
gilded mason
Cutscenes tend to bring out the worst in them, the Osiris cutscenes being some of the most egregious examples.
versed helm
They aren't as nimble and agile as they used to be
carmine sleet
They are in gameplay
feral perch
I've heard an explanation for that one, @gilded mason
autumn urchin
in the cutscenes you could replace them for brutes and i wouldnt tell difference
versed helm
Jul mdama went down so easily, one of the fiercest leaders
You haven't even played H5 @autumn urchin
feral perch
Jul 'Mdama ran out of well-trained Elites, so he promoted lowly Elites to high-ranking positions to fill the gaps.
autumn urchin
so?
gilded mason
And his zealot guards acted like novice minors.
autumn urchin
i said in the cutscenes
feral perch
well yeah, that's what would happen
gilded mason
Jul 'Mdama ran out of well-trained Elites, so he promoted lowly Elites to high-ranking positions to fill the gaps.
Where was that said?
versed helm
The Navy that took Reack, would destroy theseelites
feral perch
It's only a theory
versed helm
These elites*
gilded mason
Not really.
feral perch
why not?
versed helm
Then how come theyre so weak? @gilded mason
gilded mason
I mean, that even elsewhere (in gameplay) we fight plenty of zealots that are stronger
feral perch
They weren't available to Jul for whatever reason, perhaps.
He may have been cut off from his forces when on Kamchatka
autumn urchin
what i dislike the most in halo 5 are the spartan armor designs
gilded mason
At least you didn't say hinge-head.
feral perch
I'd like to see a Sangheili skeleton
to see if hinge-head is an anatomically correct term
obsidian thistle
Well. We have their skull. (Halo 2)
Insides that may be messed up (CEA)
peak estuary
When does battle born take place
last anchor
2549 I think, since Meridian fell in 51 if I remember right after 3 years
obsidian thistle
Around 2548
modest marsh
@versed helm I think your conceptions of the “strength” of Elites are somewhat misinformed
Jul Mdama never was characterized as fierce warrior
And Spartans have punked the average Elite man-to-man since day one, exceptional warriors excluded
Heck, Naomi quite literally manhandled Jul with relative ease in their encounter in K5
If anything, Locke’s struggle was more credit than he deserved facing a Spartan in close quarters
versed helm
look at the elites in reach, vs now, the difference in the cutscenes
modest marsh
That said I don’t agree with how he was handled
versed helm
in reach, and older halos, theyw ere way scarier
modest marsh
In Reach Noble Six kills an elite with a single punch lol
modest marsh
Regardless, he was overpowering them repeatedly while at a huge disadvantage
versed helm
Noble 6 is the only other spartan labled as "Hyperlethal"
modest marsh
Nah
gilded mason
That is just marketing
modest marsh
They all are
versed helm
Noble 6 was able to make whole militia groups disapear
modest marsh
Field guide says all Spartans are hyperlethal assets
versed helm
without noble 6, noble team wouldn't of been able to be as effective as they were, he had the most confirmed kills
unique rune
That... sounds... wrong, but, alright.
versed helm
You can't really say it is just a marketing plot when Bungie says he was
And bunjie did kinda make the game
bungie
it's like telling the person who created basketball, what the rules are
versed helm
He was pulled out form operation torpedo,and was assigned to basically take down terrorist groups by himself, he succeeded in being by himself
It says it in game
Halsey literally says, and i quote, "Noble Six. The team's most recent addition ... my, my. So much black ink ... Six has made entire militia groups disappear. Curious ... "hyper-lethal". There's only one other Spartan with that rating."
gilded mason
That's from the "A Spartan Will Rise" trailer.
versed helm
More examples, In-game, if you choose noble six's voice, it says "The voice of a hyperlethal vector"
They pulled him from operation torpedo, because they saw his potential
Idk why im still going on about this, i was just trying to prove that elites aren't how they were the older halos
lol
modest marsh
A bunch of Spartan-IIIs were removed from Operation TORPEDO
carmine sleet
Aye, most became Headhunters, with some moving on to teams like NOBLE after
versed helm
noble was alpha mostly
modest marsh
and Six being referred to as “hyperlethal” within the game doesn’t mean much
carmine sleet
There were members of Alpha company that became Headhunters as well, Olive
versed helm
@carmine sleet sorry i thought you were meaning beta still
carmine sleet
I meant both Alpha and Beta
stoic hamlet
sigh Are we having the hyper lethal discussion again?
obsidian thistle
Its a weird term.
stoic hamlet
It’s been said by several sources that hyper lethal refers to all Spartans
I really wish a few things were pinned on certain servers.
That, the strength of S-2’s/3’s, the strength of elites v Spartans, etc
It’d make questions and answers so much easier, is all 😃
modest marsh
I don’t like stuff like that being stated as factual
Fiction has freedom to be what it wants to be
versed helm
@stoic hamlet that's not the case at all
modest marsh
Measuring fictional characters up against each other quantitatively is a slippery slope
versed helm
Halsey herself even stated that only 2 spartans have ever received the moniker "Hyper-lethal Vector "
Noble 6 and Chief
stoic hamlet
Which has been retconned
modest marsh
That’s the marketing material we were discussing
obsidian thistle
Or it was 2 Spartans at "1" time.
modest marsh
Ads place lower on the totem pole than most facets of canon
obsidian thistle
And later it was used to describe all Spartans.
stoic hamlet
Ground Command and the Spartan Field Manual classify all Spartans as Hyper Lethal. Additionally, I’d think Linda or Fred would have been much more likely to receive the same hyper lethal rating, assuming there were only two.
versed helm
field manual
stoic hamlet
Why would a random Beta S-III be more lethal than the best Sniper known to man?
versed helm
so literal PR
stoic hamlet
It’s an In-universe source
versed helm
a field manual is conditionally also used in public relations
this is common in current military as well
modest marsh
It contains classified information
versed helm
yes, but not all of it is
stoic hamlet
If it’s PR, why isn’t John explicitly named as the only Hyper Lethal then? (Obviously discounting B-312)
There’s an entire page dedicated to him in the manual
versed helm
morale about Spartans
stoic hamlet
Seems the perfect spot for such a claim
versed helm
it's a good recruitment tactic
gilded mason
Each Spartan is a hyper-lethal special forces operative, capable of wielding every vehicle and weapon in the Covenant and UNSC armory and committed to the completion of their mission no matter the odds or opposition.
versed helm
"become the best of the best. become a hyper lethal spartan"
obsidian thistle
John wasnt actually described as the hyper lethal Spartan by Halsey. And its possible Halsey had old records as much was covered in "black ink" ;)
gilded mason
Yeah, Vinh
obsidian thistle
We know the real world reason. But "in-universe" stuff can be different. Remember that. Believe for examples real world reasoning was for Johns disapearance in Halo 3. But in-universe that changed completely.
stoic hamlet
And even if it is canon, my point stands, why is B-312 given the classification out of all other S-II’s or S-III’s? Most have been fighting far longer than him, additionally, it seems B-312 was primarily sent against Insurrection elements, not Covenant targets.
It just doesn’t add up or hold weight when one looks at the bigger picture
obsidian thistle
Maybe the term wasnt fleshed out as it was at somepoint.
In-universe that is.
And at somepoint it was just pushed to apply to all Spartans.
versed helm
@stoic hamlet the same Reason Cortana chose him as her transporter
B312 has an extremely impressive track record
versed helm
that you know of
obsidian thistle
Tbh B312 has a lot of Black Ink on their service record.
We dont know most of what they have done.
stoic hamlet
Anyone of Noble could have taken Cortana, her choice isn’t elaborated on, we know why for gameplay purposes, but her reasons aren’t described.
obsidian thistle
The closest we get is the "A Spartan Will Rise" trailer.
And I bet thats the closest we will ever get.
zinc bone
Should the novels and comics be read in release or chronological order?
gilded mason
I'd say release.
stoic hamlet
She could have chosen B-312 because of any number of factors. She chose John not for any particular military skills, but because she, like Halsey, has innate favouritism towards him......for some reason.
remote spruce
hyper lethal vector delta mike asset
stoic hamlet
Definitely release order
I mean, you can read them out of order if you want
But release is IMO the way to go
gilded mason
lol
obsidian thistle
Not recommended
See the pins @zinc bone you will find a thread called "The Halo Story and where to find it V3"
versed helm
Forerunner empire vs the Sith empire, who wins?
The old republic had some of the most powerful Sith lords such as Darth Revan, Darth Malgus, Darth Plaguis, and Darth Nihilus
feral perch
They ultimately killed eachother, right? Too much vying for power?
The Forerunners didn't have that issue with every individual.
gilded mason
Carefully
simple locust
So are there any violent political purges that have taken place in the Halo Universe? If so which ones were the most severe? Also were there any show trials?
versed helm
I think when the brutes took over as the protectors of the prophets
That was pretty violent
It resulted in civil war amongst the covenant
simple locust
Were there any that happened between humans?
remote spruce
Interplanetary War
versed helm
Was the Didact planning to use the seven Composers at the Forge to channel their energies through the array's firing mechanism? That's the only feasible reason I can see him using both the ring and the composer against humanity at the same time
AND if that's true, wouldn't that mean the composer, when paired with the array, is capable of burning an entire galaxy-size volume of organic matter within the pulse? Because that sounds like... A lot of energy
vague scroll
Possibly.
versed helm
could a spartan 3 defeat a spartan 4? and i'm meaning one of the select spartan 3s that was given mjolnir, or else i don't think it's fair
I feel they would be able to, and pretty easily
humble yacht
Probably
If the S-III was in Gen1 and the S-IV in Gen2, it would be a very close match
terse gale
SPI wasn't very strong, whatever armor IV's wear is a bit OP in comparison
versed helm
i think in that case @humble yacht the spartan 3's better training comes into play
stoic hamlet
The III would have a stealth advantage
terse gale
Better training and augmentations
stoic hamlet
^^^
versed helm
spartan 3s have way better training and augmentations
and had that extra boost when they were injured
stoic hamlet
We’ve seen a Spartan in SPI and the ability to dictate a fight is exceptionally lethal
versed helm
or was that only gamma?
stoic hamlet
Only Gamma had that boost
humble yacht
Those extra mods were only for Gamma
stoic hamlet
But it’s still very noteworthy
stoic hamlet
But in a straight up fight those drawbacks wouldn’t matter
versed helm
they lost all their logic right? became kind of like a brute
versed helm
as in they just showed all aggresion, and didn't use strategy
stoic hamlet
We have examples of Gammas keeping it together despite literally fatal injuries
I.E, Dante
terse gale
Only if they didn't get medicine to counter the augmentations that overloaded their aggression
versed helm
i think select spartan 3s in SPI could defeat a spartan 4, IE: Headhunters, B-312, Tom
stoic hamlet
With the counter drugs they’re fine.
You have to remember the stealth factor as well
Everyone assumes the III would engage at range
versed helm
yea, but one shot would incapacitate most spartan 3s in SPI
stoic hamlet
But it’s highly likely they’d get close and mitigate MJOLNIR’s shields and protection
It’s bulletproof
versed helm
in hand to hand, or close range, the spartan 4 is screwed
stoic hamlet
And resistant to plasma
versed helm
What? SPI isn't bulletproof
humble yacht
you forget that SIVs are trained by Jun
stoic hamlet
The bodysuit is at the very least, so I see no reason why the armour itself isn’t
Well no, of course not
That would likely penetrate
vague scroll
In Halo: New Blood, take this as a pinch of salt, but Buck says that S-IIs are like gods, S-IIIs are like demigods, and S-IVs are like your common hero
stoic hamlet
But if a III gets close, there’s little the IV can do
I dislike that quote
It’s not really correct
terse gale
I didn't know Jun trained em, I thought he was just their recruiter
versed helm
they were trained by Jun, yes, but you have to remember also, in "New Blood" Buck says musa (who was crippled by the augmentations) could still completely destroy a spartan 4
humble yacht
I think that statement was full of Buck's own personal bias
vague scroll
I would agree with you there Chimera
vague scroll
I didn't really like the statement myself
stoic hamlet
It’s biased I think
humble yacht
Like, as someone who interacted with Spartans as an ODST, Buck is humble enough to know that even as S-IV, he's not the same as the previous generations
versed helm
idk if it was buck, but i know they said that in the book
vague scroll
It was Buck
humble yacht
His grudging respect for them supersedes his own upgrade
stoic hamlet
It was buck ye
vague scroll
he's narrating the entire book
stoic hamlet
Better augs
versed helm
And they were trained from what? pre teens?
stoic hamlet
Overall they’d win unless the IV got lucky, no matter the armour
vague scroll
SPARTAN-IIs had more time
stoic hamlet
Younger
humble yacht
some younger
stoic hamlet
4-6
vague scroll
4 years old at minimum
versed helm
carter was 14 i think
stoic hamlet
Like preschool age
humble yacht
Only some S-IIIs were that young
modest hinge
Wasnt Carter the oldest spartan 3
vague scroll
don't ask how the 4 years old was possible
modest hinge
Like 11
stoic hamlet
Carter is a super odd outlier
humble yacht
but almost all S-IIIs were prepubescent
S-IIs had to be just entering puberty or something
stoic hamlet
Yeah, otherwise the augs wouldn’t work/would kill them
versed helm
could a spartan 3 beat a spartan 2? in respect to Mjolnir
stoic hamlet
It’s why the IV’s have watered down augs
terse gale
S II's were training at the age of 7 or 8, lol
vague scroll
6
stoic hamlet
Fred considers Mark a better sharpshooter than him, so.....maybe
humble yacht
S-IV augs are safer and more compatible with adults
versed helm
i know, but lore says the big difference was the armor
vague scroll
MJOLNIR GEN2 tends to balance out everyone though
humble yacht
But more efficient and more ethical
stoic hamlet
Mhm
terse gale
Oh yeah, idk what armor the IV's wear
versed helm
When john started trying vs Locke, locke didn't stand a chance
humble yacht
IVs wear GEN2 Mjolnir
versed helm
Gen 2 version of Mjolnir
stoic hamlet
Idk if I buy that. Do we know if the IV’s have better reaction times?
stoic hamlet
Comparable to the II’s and III’s I mean
terse gale
So it's not the Mark VII or whatever, lol?
stoic hamlet
It’s based off it @terse gale
vague scroll
Spartan Time is kind of just a Nylund thing
stoic hamlet
And a Denning one
versed helm
Nyuland is amazing though
vague scroll
you don't see Spartan Time being referenced beyond him very often, yeah Denning did use it
versed helm
i mean just as in, i think IIIs, and lls have better reactions
stoic hamlet
I agree
humble yacht
IVs don't have Mark VII
versed helm
3s and 2s had basically the same augments
humble yacht
Mark VII was too expensive
versed helm
4s had pretty different
terse gale
Wait, was it actually called Mark VII
stoic hamlet
And if that’s the case in Canon, then IV’s lose no matter the scenario, IMO. If it’s hand to hand, that is.
versed helm
could Red Team (Hw2) compete with a Spartan 4?
terse gale
Last armor I knew of was Mark VI
versed helm
with their outdated armor
stoic hamlet
Yes. There were prototypes @terse gale
vague scroll
but we've only ever seen Naomi in it
modest hinge
Well red team has mk 4 armor way way outclassed by gen 2 armor
terse gale
What's Chief wearing in Halo 4 and 5
vague scroll
and it wasn't ever mass produced
stoic hamlet
Mark VI
vague scroll
@terse gale GEN2 Mark VI MOD
stoic hamlet
^^^
vague scroll
It's just the GEN2 version of his Halo 4 armor
versed helm
but theyre spartan 2? if that helps @modest hinge
terse gale
MOD?
vague scroll
It's the designation for Chief's armor
terse gale
Lol
vague scroll
it looks different from the Mark VI armor shown in the Halo 4 and 5 multiplayer
modest hinge
Well without armor red team could compete yeah but in terms of armor mk4 is crazy outdated so they would take much more damage than gen 2
stoic hamlet
As I said, if it gets hand to hand, the IV is done, no matter the armour or competing generation
At least IMO
vague scroll
MOD is just a vague term to mean its been modified
stoic hamlet
Reaction time matters far more than strength
humble yacht
It was called MOD because Cortana modified it
vague scroll
And they simply continued with that tradition for some unknown reason off screen
versed helm
i think red team still has experience and could still defeat spartan 4s because of their experience, especially woth someone like Jerome as a leader
modest hinge
Yeah Jerome is a beast
vague scroll
they may have maintained the MOD variant simply for Chief as a PR tool
versed helm
who is one of the more “Potent” as a lack for a better word leaders
terse gale
You can give fancy armor to any doorknob, S II's And S III's have the experience to back up their training and armor
modest hinge
In wars 2 you saw how he threw around those elites on the ship
humble yacht
Or just used pieces from the GEN1 model to make the GEN2 model
I don't think they have a massed produced line of MOD Mark VI variants
despite H4's opening cutscene
vague scroll
@terse gale don't underestimate S-IVs, the majority of them are the highest quality special forces recruits from every corner of the UNSC
versed helm
I wonder if they’ll become in the main Halo timeline, Red team
stoic hamlet
But against the II’s and III’s I just can’t see them coming out ahead
versed helm
buck is very humble
modest hinge
I always took the hr opening cutscene as just halsey's imagination, all of those Spartans were wearing the exact same armor and it was gen 2, if that cutscene was accurate they should have all been wearing armor like chief wore in forward unto dawn
humble yacht
(inwardly humble)
stoic hamlet
It’s also an incorrect monologue, as previously mentioned
Based off his personal experiences
vague scroll
@modest hinge The opening of Halo 4's depiction isn't canon
modest hinge
Yeah I thought so
humble yacht
That cutscene shows you that the canonical reason for Chief's new look was added after the fact
vague scroll
"several hundred kilograms"
stoic hamlet
Less than GEN1 I believe
humble yacht
Originally that design was simply 343i's interpretation of Mark VI
versed helm
gen 2 overall is technologically advanced
versed helm
aren’t Humans tier 3??
modest hinge
Do you guys think that in infinite the design of gen 2 will be retconned and chiefs armor in the trailer will be "gen 2"
humble yacht
¯_(ツ)_/¯
remote spruce
Hopefully
versed helm
think of Nanomachines as Ironmans armor in Infinity war
stoic hamlet
It’ll be GEN3 probably
remote spruce
Argh Gen 3
humble yacht
I don't see how the UNSC would have time to produce an actual iteration of GEN3 while being on the run from the Created
modest hinge
I just cant wait to see more of that beautiful classic armor
versed helm
is covenant tier 2??
modest hinge
Yeah I dont think it will be gen 3
humble yacht
GEN3 was just a concept in the Spartan Manual
stoic hamlet
It’ll be their in-universe reason I think
modest hinge
I think it will be that he has to use old armor or the retcon option
vague scroll
Precursors Tier 0
versed helm
what’s the words forerunners used for the precursor? @vague scroll
humble yacht
Papa
versed helm
no
versed helm
no, they used a word instead of tier 0
gaunt karma
transsentient?
versed helm
^^
vague scroll
Tier 0 is just the tech level...
versed helm
that one
vague scroll
transsentient is a rather bland term that just sounds fancy
like a lot of stuff in the Forerunner trilogy
gaunt karma
-shrug-
modest hinge
Isnt one of the 3 pieces of mendicant bias on zeta halo?
versed helm
how were the precursor still able to lose? unless they wanted to? they had anything they wanted
they could of just deleted them
vague scroll
fan theories have tried to answer that question
most are of the assumption that they let the Forerunners do it
vague scroll
because they didn't understand why the Forerunners rebeled
they didn't get it, it was "interesting"
in their omnipotence, the concept of death might have been beyond them
versed helm
then they unleashed the flood, which shows how scary they are to be able to defeat the forerunner relatively easily
vague scroll
they didn't unleash the Flood, they are the Flood. The dust that some of the Precursors transformed themselves into became "corrupted"
as in something unknown went wrong.
maybe it was intentional, maybe it wasn't, we don't know
versed helm
that’s what i meant
humble yacht
I don't think the number of pieces MB was split into was quantified
All we know is that his main housing unit is on Installation 07
but I doubt the Forerunners would have left any of him there
vague scroll
and we knew about MB fragments being aboard the High Charity Key Ship and one on Installation 00, that's really all we know
modest hinge
It seems like bungie was building him up to be a important character, his dialogue in the halo 2 song and him being in the terminals in 3, I hope he is in infinite, would he be able to help Cortana? (implying she has the logic plague)
vague scroll
doubt it
terse gale
What happened to the floaty boi and the big Forerunner ship in High Charity
vague scroll
Bungie set him up as some mysterious puppet master in the background
and after that he's never since made an appearance
modest hinge
Do you mean guilty spark? And the key ship? I'm guessing you havent played 3
vague scroll
but Bungie did a lot of things that were set up but were never explored - like the hints that Forerunners were actually Ancient Humans, 343i killed that suggestion pretty quickly
modest hinge
Yeah I wish bungies stuff had made it more into 4 and 5
remote spruce
What
terse gale
I did, I'm talking about the monitor and big Forerunner ship in High Charity that Truth angered @modest hinge
In Contact Harvest
vague scroll
I'd rather they didn't
The Ancient Humans thing kind of bothered me
made the whole "cyclic Halo universe theory" more viable and that's honestly a bit annoying...
modest hinge
I mean everyone seems to have forgotten that halo 5 trailed with Locke talking to arbiter about the seeds that lay inside of chief and all that
vague scroll
That's still canon
remote spruce
That doesn't refer to Chief being forerunner
remote spruce
Humans = Forerunners was gone by Halo 3
vague scroll
*after
humble yacht
I like to think the MB is dead
humble yacht
It's what he wanted
vague scroll
he didn't really do much for the narrative up front anyway
besides make free will look like an illusion, which, I guess kind of is because of the whole Geas implantations by the Librarian
modest hinge
I should definitely read more of the books cause I have been thinking alot what chief would be doing on zeta halo but I dont really know enough, my knowledge of lore is pretty surface level with some wiki diving here and there
terse gale
I like how Truth completely ignored the Monitor in High Charity when it told him humans were sacred, lol
Then it got mad and almost flew the dreadnought out of High Charity
vague scroll
they never took the Monitors seriously
humble yacht
Well it's not like he completely ignored it
vague scroll
they did describe them as unreliable
humble yacht
he ended up covering up the true nature of humanity's relation to the Forerunners
the irony of the Prophet of Truth being a liar
terse gale
What happened to that monitor and the dreadnought anyway
modest hinge
What books should I read to learn more about mendicant he has always interested me
humble yacht
they both went to the Ark
remote spruce
Uhhhh
Good luck
vague scroll
@modest hinge only thing you can really read is the Halo terminals
2 and 3 specifically
terse gale
@humble yacht That's why he called himself Truth, so he'd never forget the lies he'd told "for the good of the Covenant"
vague scroll
that and the Forerunner trilogy
terse gale
Which one of the new Prophets was a punk that loved tobacco and carried a plasma pistol everywhere before he joined Truth, lol. He was the fun one 😄
I think it was Regret
Or was Regret the preacher 🤔
modest hinge
I cannot picture one of the race of prophets as "punk"
Got a nice black mohawk and a spiked leather jacket
Nice
terse gale
@modest hinge Trust me, he wore lots of jewelry and smoked and carried a plasma pistol everywhere
remote spruce
I remember Regret carrying the plasma pistol
modest hinge
Regret was pretty tough he took a lot of punches from a spartan
terse gale
He was also a moron, which would be why I'm 90% sure he became Regret
Was Mercy the wacky old preacher?
modest hinge
Mercy is the old guy
Regret is young and foolish and truth is mid aged cunning, from what I know
vague scroll
He wasn’t the monitor of high charity, he just had a fragment stuck in the key ship
terse gale
I mean, he was a monitor (little floating ball like Guilty Spark) and was asleep in High Charity for hundreds of years til Truth annoyed him
modest hinge
Also he isnt technically a monitor he was much more advanced which is even more why truth should have listened
terse gale
He was their only "Oracle" til they nabbed Guilty
modest hinge
Well he also isnt in the monitor ball from what i know he is held in a big housing linked with (or inside of) the key ship
versed helm
wish it’s back
terse gale
He was sooooooo pissed at Truth's bs, lol
gilded mason
Wasn't that just clarified only a few minutes ago.
terse gale
One that was asleep for hundreds of years til Truth pissed it off, lol @versed helm
terse gale
In a monitor shell
humble yacht
well, specifically, Monitors were custodians of important Forerunner installations (including but not limited to Halos)
MB wasn't really a Monitor
he was something more
gilded mason
Yeah, a jerk
humble yacht
Even though he lived on Zeta Halo, he wasn't Zeta's Monitor
modest hinge
Mendicant is way more advanced than the monitors, he is a contender class AI
terse gale
I still haven't read the Forerunner books, I skipped them and read all the regular books up to Glasslands
modest hinge
All of the stuff I know from mendicant is from reading the 3 terminals and the wiki pages for him
versed helm
Which AI was it that got infected by the grave-mind in the forerunner-flood war?
humble yacht
Mendicant Bias
well, he was the first
by the end of the war, many Forerunner AI had been infected
versed helm
How are the flood able to influence advanced AI like Mendicant Bias?
I know by persuasion, but how do they fall under it?
Logic Plague?
vague scroll
Logic Plague
humble yacht
logic plague
the logic plague is the persuasion
it's not a traditional computer virus
vague scroll
its a conversation that convinces an individual that the Flood's way of thinking is correct
humble yacht
it's a philosophical dilemma
vague scroll
organics are susceptible too
versed helm
Was Serena under the Logic plague when she let the flood outbreak on the SOF?
or was that jsut Rampancy?
versed helm
There was a flood on the ship for like months before she even noticed
and then just locked it in a room
then when she waked anders (also summoning jerome) they had to deal with it
vague scroll
only a Gravemind can talk
versed helm
ok, got you
vague scroll
it was a simple Flood infection form that got on the ship, just one little infector pod
versed helm
popcorn
and then Jerome had to use a chair to kill them bad boys
Are there ways a S3 could defeat a S2? i feel select spartan 3s could possibly