Imagine Chief working with other Spartan IIs
#lore-and-universe
stoic hamlet
Oh it definitely opens possibilities for interesting scenes don’t get me wrong
But story is only half the point of an open world game
Like, take RDR2, for example. One of the best stories we’ve had in gaming history, but it was only made so because the world was so believable.
And I don’t know if Halo set on a Halo can be so believable and not appear lifeless and barren
quick bear
Sure, and weird buffalo things, but it would have to be full of gameplay elements that weren't just groups of enemies on respawn timers
mystic trail
I've been wanting an open world Halo game for a while, like gasp Far Cry.
But as a spinoff. Maybe you play as a marine on a world long abandoned by the UNSC, taking on the Insurrectionists/Covenant remnants post war.
But that's just a dream.
deep pewter
not insurrectionists prewar
versed helm
I don't think Infinite will be entirely set on a Halo ring, I think if it is open world then there's the possibility for some off world areas to explore
mystic trail
There are some Insurrectionists groups intermixed with Covenant post war :/
But I see what you mean
Insurrectionists/Rebel Bois are stronger pre war, with their influence and all.
verbal canyon
I have a Halo Graphic novel from 2010 I found in an old bookstore. There are some cool stories in it but I don’t know if they’re still considered canon. One is called the last voyage of the infinite succor. The story parallels “breaking quarantine” and is a bit of an origin story for “Rtas ‘Vadumee”
Another one shows talks of a girl spartan named “spartan 062” where she is testing “A-12-121” Mjolnir Mark VI armor”. It is revealed her name is Maria at the end and it is also revealed that she knows “MCPO John 177” and that he is on cairo station. She is testing the armor for him to use. This must be a little prequel to halo 2 armor. The third story is about how Sergeant Johnson escapes from the flood in “breaking quarantine” I believe. The last one is about a photographer living in new Mombasa before the events of Halo 2 where the city is devoid of life. It shows the fear of the people living there as they hear about the covenant destroying the outer colonies, and even towards the end of the story it has the covenant invading and how everyday people tried to stop them and died etc. Anyone else have this graphic novel? I think everything it has can be considered cannon, but it is 9 years old so who knows.
versed helm
Would anyone like a game about Grey team?
It could be similar to ghost recon wildlands
stoic hamlet
Those are all still canon @verbal canyon
versed helm
Just finished Renegades. wew lad that was the best book since Silentium
fair hazel
The photographer in that is Benjamin Giraud from Hunt the truth
last anchor
His first apperance.
fair hazel
Also of course Maria would know who John is. They trained together. As children
stoic hamlet
Yep, they’re both II’s
versed helm
Anyone wanna see a halo game like ghost recon wildlands?
gloomy condor
like one where you play as a "lone wolf " Spartan like linda?
elfin crane
I’d like that. I loved Wildlands
versed helm
Or Master Chief and blue team, you fight the Banished and destabilize their influence little by little until you reach Atriox
versed helm
Eliminating leaders, destroying supplies, bases, logistics, and gathering intel
There could be stealth focused missions as well
remote spruce
Fighting the Banished? Pavium's grenade launcher was trouble enough for an entire army
versed helm
I feel like blue team is capable of a stealth operation
Imagine it being like splinter cell
versed helm
Are there any stories of a Spartan being stealthy before? I'm curious. I'm talking like Sam Fisher levels of stealth
vivid dust
Headhunters I guess?
deep pewter
Definitely the headhunters, that’s an amazing short story
stoic hamlet
Early S-2 missions as well
gloomy condor
Some S-2 missions used stealth to infiltrate insurection bases
twilit mulch
@verbal canyon it was Up from Songnam This Morning.
subtle depot
Plating was about to fail, there’s viscosity throughout the gel layer. Optics, totally fried. And let’s not even talk about the power supply. Do you have any idea how expensive this gear is son? Ehh I guess it was all obsolete anyway.
subtle depot
Do the Spartans have any safeguards if they fall in water? I assume they can’t really swim
humble yacht
Their armor is airtight so they should be good on the breathing thing for awhile
They could just sink to the bottom and walk along the floor of a body of water
subtle depot
But what about the ocean they only have about ninety minutes of air
limpid kernel
My friend would always say they're swimming when he would jump in the water and die
When we play Halo 3
subtle depot
I don’t think even Spartans can swim in mjolnir
last anchor
They dont. They sink to the bottom and walk along it
Which imo is far far more intimidating
subtle depot
If someone wants to draw a picture of chief wearing arm floaties now I’m all for it
I mean yeah it is more intimidating
humble yacht
the tech suit inflates so he becomes a Chief balloon
subtle depot
Breaking news: Local spartan too angry at covenant to sink
twilit mulch
I imagine its like in pirates of the Caribbean. Spartans Walking on the sea Floor to the shore of like some covenant outpost
Spooky
last anchor
Pretty much.
I want that to be a mission opening now. You drop in from a UNSC submarine and you slog through the deep, weapon holstered, while above you friendly and enemy forces engage. Occasionally wreckage tumbles down, bodies fall past. A Marine tumbles through, shedding his gear so he can swim, then stops as he sees you. You salute, and then you move on.
Rise from the water to the roar of gunfire and plasma, pull the slide on your rifle, then get to your grim work
twilit mulch
Wetwork indeed
last anchor
Basically
upper star
@last anchor liking that scene
subtle depot
I think that would fit in well with what I thought would be cool to have kind of a hybrid of Spartans ops and modern warfare 3 special ops in infinite
last anchor
I'd play that
tribal stratus
humble yacht
@dreamy quarry keep it clean
torpid blade
This has been discussed for quite some time and still sparks discussion today. Can Spartans get infected by the flood?
Ik they can be killed by it but can it take over its body?
gaunt karma
why wouldn't it be able to?
gilded mason
Can Spartans get infected by the flood?
Of course
versed helm
Well, the biggest foundation of the counter-claim to that is Johnson.
As we know, Johnson was a member of the Spartan I program.
gaunt karma
that's not because he's a Spartan, he got Boron Syndrome or whatever it was called
gaunt karma
also doesn't it not make him immune, just harder to convert
gilded mason
Though his immunity was was later clarified as just him being skilled enough to not get grabbed nt an infection form
versed helm
I'm not sure about that.
gilded mason
I read about it from one of the devs at one point
versed helm
Breaking Quarantine shows him yanking off an infection form that seems to have gone stunned or been inert.
First Strike was explicit about the fact that they regarded him as a non-viable host.
gaunt karma
it was confused cause his nervous system was different
versed helm
Right!
gaunt karma
hrm
gaunt karma
ye, so it would be more difficult, but not impossible
versed helm
They're filled with tiny little nano-fibers.
But I do agree with you.
I think it might be impossible to turn a Spartan into a conventional combat form, but I think you could potentially infect them in a way that specifically targets their neurological structure.
It might involve a lot more of the Spartan being converted into FSC, though.
My thinking on that is because when a pod infector burrows into you, it immediately and directly overtakes your nervous system, even as or before your body fully transforms.
But spores gradually put the infrastructure in place needed to control you.
I think a pod-infector would just mangle and kill a Spartan, but if they were unfortunate enough to inhale a spore, they'd turn out pretty scary.
versed helm
Ayyy
elfin crane
If I had to guess, the plan to deal with a Flood infected Spartan would be to just bomb the area lol. What else could they do
exotic zinc
That's what it said in the manual
versed helm
Just y'know
elfin crane
or just find the nearest ship and launch a MAC at it
versed helm
Haul a Moncton-class ODP into orbit over wherever the outbreak has happened
And fire the heaviest slug you can at the highest possible velocity directly at wherever the infected Spartan may be xD
And then do it again.
exotic zinc
Then glass the area just in case
elfin crane
"i think we got em sir"
that would be quite the moral drop though if anyone saw an infected spartan just coming at you
exotic zinc
Exactly that's why what you're gonna wanna do is destroy the entire planet
And disintegrate the surrounding area in space. You never know when a parasite is flying around in space ready to latch on a vessel.
versed helm
How about you just
Construct an Onyx-scale shield world around the entire system in which the outbreak occurred
Shrink it down into a tiny slipspace enclosure
And send it into a black hole
Then NOVA bomb the black hole
elfin crane
nova bombs are insane
pure drift
i thought you guys were talking about destiny lol
subtle depot
Well code corrupter allows the UNSC to disregard all ROE including deployment of WMD’s. Including... yes... “MAC rounds? in atmosphere!?”
stoic hamlet
I feel like ROE would be pretty much nonexistent when fighting Covenant anyways, so I don’t see why that seems so special
subtle depot
Well ROE still prevents firing on civilian targets and friendly forces. Also we’re taking about the flood. @stoic hamlet so ROE does matter as they need protocol if it breaks out on a populated role. If a spartan is infected the planet is already probably doomed do to the amount of flood it takes to do that so they allow leveling of cities
versed helm
How long can a Spartan stay on duty for without resting?
rugged pecan
🤔🤔
fair hazel
I believe if I recall correctly, 48 hours then 2 hours of sleep
rose matrix
I think it was "at least 48 hours"
can't remember if it was in the halo 4 or 5 limited edition lore packet
exotic zinc
Absolute units
versed helm
Do ODSTs have any augmentations?
Nah
They're just hyper-fit
Probably grav-conditioned, which means basically the peak of what their physical frames can achieve, though that's just a theory of mine
gilded mason
Oh yeah, regarding the previous discussion about Johnson supposedly being immune to the Flood thanks to his augments, I found the dev talk I was thinking of:
Query Answer: No known biological [scaffolding] augmentation impedes efficacy of parasite conversion process.```
https://www.halopedia.org/Catalog/Archive/2014
This is after Staten's statement in 2004 about how he disliked that part of First Strike, saying they may retcon it in the future:
```JS: The books are, for better or worse, part of the canon. In the future we may choose to revise or flat-out ignore some of the less appealing ideas (Johnson's biological immunity to the Flood, for example), but folks should treat them as defining elements of the Halo universe.```
http://halostory.bungie.org/staten102204.htmlWell, as I said.
It could be that the method of infection wasn't viable.
Not saying he was flood-immune. Just saying that an infection form might not be able to hijack his nervous system rapidly.
gilded mason
Wouldn't that be part of "impeding efficacy"?
versed helm
Depends how you look at it.
gilded mason
If the infection has to go through alternate routes that are not as rapid, as you put it, that would be less efficient than a more rapid conversion.
last anchor
Pretty much
fickle holly
@versed helm Hiya.
fickle holly
It's been a long while.
versed helm
It has.
obsidian thistle
Oh Johnsons immunity. That has always been a weird case.
steel palm
Isnt because his nervous system was messed up in ORION?
elfin crane
He’s just that badass
fair hazel
Johnson is a bad butt yes but.
One of the first things Bonnie Ross did early on was try and inquire and set the stone for Johnson and immunity
remote spruce
Did she do that?
versed helm
i'd say she did, somewhat
versed helm
If I was going to get into the novels where would I need to start?
hasty geyser
Start with The Fall of Reach, First Strike, and Ghosts of Onyx
The Flood is optional
versed helm
In that order? And where would The Flood be in that order?
carmine sleet
The Flood would be between Fall of Reach and First Strike
hasty geyser
If you want to read all of them then TFoR > The Flood > First Strike > GoO
versed helm
👍
severe bone
What abt contact harvest?
hasty geyser
It's not directly connected to any of those novels but it's chronologically a prequel
As is Cole Protocol, took place before those four but not related
twilit mulch
@severe bone Contact Harvest Is Good..
fickle holly
Catalog, can the augmentation process that made Sergeant Major Avery Junior Johnson "immune" to Flood infection be replicated?
Query Answer: No known biological [scaffolding] augmentation impedes efficacy of parasite conversion process.```Waypoint had a catalog Q&A
radiant sphinx
Johnson was just that much of a badass
scenic jewel
Was Halo Legends canon?
scenic jewel
1337?
mystic trail
Yeah, that one
scenic jewel
that's unfortunate found that one most amusing
mystic trail
Marathon probably exists in Halo like Futurama exists in The Simpsons; as a media franchise
And vice versa
odd nexus
speaking of Halo Legends, something bothers me about Helioskrill armor
why does it look so Forerunner if it was made by Sangheelies for the Humans
scenic jewel
Thanks by the way
fair hazel
it looks like arbiter armour..
odd nexus
it does also look like arbiter's armor with the flip at the back, but when i saw it for the first time, my mind immediately went to the forerunner soldiers in a scene from Origins I, who had those downward spikes seen on the face of Helioskrill
additionally, the armor has features of the Didact's armor, such as the cloven hooves, and the shoulder-neck area which is very large
i wish i could post pictures for reference
mystic trail
pectoral muscles 😩
lone igloo
Hi, would anyone have insight on how manoeuvrable the UNSC Infinity is and how useful and manoeuvrable an orbital defence MAC is?
eternal hinge
what the key mind look like ?
last anchor
@lone igloo The Infinity is manouverable enough to produce Indial D memes and "supercarrier drifting" memes. Mostly though it doesnt have to manouver much so it just goes in a straight line.
Orbital Defense Macs dont move. Period. They're geosyncrhoniously locked in position. Build in place if I had to guess.
This is why when Athens and Malta were slagged, Cairo or the other battle clusters couldn tjust float over and take the hole
versed helm
Anyone else think it would be awesome if Tartarus returns in Halo: Oblivion?
versed helm
Didn't he die tho?
gilded mason
Oblivion take place in, like, 2526 or something.
versed helm
I've only ever read the original ones I suppose?
Along with the Anthology that lead to that short about the Mona Lisa ship
Last Light and Retribution are standouts.
As are Smoke and Shadow and Renegades.
The latter of both are sequels, btw
I see the post Halo 5 stuff as fairly mediocre - Bad Blood and Legacy of Onyx. Interesting canonical implications, but kinda simplistic and a little dull to read.
hasty geyser
I gotta put aside like $100 and buy all the books I haven't read and just binge em
versed helm
Silent Storm is an insanely good blast-from-the-past that hearkens back to the TFoR - The Flood - First Strike era of books.
Basically just really good military sci-fi from Chief's perspective.
versed helm
I recommend it heartily, as does everyone else I've met who's read it.
fickle holly
Troy Denning likes Sangheili.
versed helm
They're cool dudes.
fickle holly
He featured me in a post.
hasty geyser
Sangheili are the 3rd best part of halo
versed helm
What's the first two?
versed helm
I would argue number 1 is UNSC all the way, all day, hoorah
2 for Flood is valid, though
Kinda wanna see this song adapted into a Red Alert 3 style theme for the UNSC in future media
Too many links apparently lol
Something like Rock and Awe
Flood, Forerunners, and the UNSC
But that's not lore so I'll stop
hasty geyser
I'd like the unsc more if their tech was more advanced, but I fully recognise that's just me being a stick in the mud for sci-fi worldbuilding
versed helm
UNSC tech is advanced in hidden ways.
A lot of their seeming anachronisms come from misconceptualizations of purpose and functionality.
For example, the MA5 is basically a sniper rifle, LMG and assault rifle rolled into one.
Oh hmm can't say that word good to know
So yeah the UNSC would be one of my favorite parts
It fires a futuristic variant of the modern day M118 marksman's round, and sights-in using an advanced projection suite.
It's cool seeing how humans deal with so many threats to their existence
That would make it extremely efficient at long-range point suppression fire.
And the round itself would be pretty scary to be shot by up close.
hasty geyser
I really want a novel or show or game or whatever that follows a normal soldier, maybe an ODST from the beginning of the war to the end of it, and how it changes them
versed helm
Also I can't help rooting for the UNSC even though they do a lot of shady stuff
I wanna see their technology continuing to improve
I loved how far they had come with the Spartan projects
hasty geyser
I love everything about the war
versed helm
I honestly just think the UNSC's right in everything it does.
Its central ideology justifies any defects.
hasty geyser
That's the thing about stuff like the spartan program and the insurrection
There is no proper right or wrong answer
And that's why it's so captivating
versed helm
Human unity and advancement at any cost is critical, and any selfish party that seeks to stand in the way of that deserves a good, thorough nuking.
No price is too much to pay in the face of human potential.
dreamy terrace
That's incredibly niave.
versed helm
I interpret much of the insurrection as having, fundamentally, pretty anarcho-capitalist ideals.
They want to be able to redefine the economic landscape to enrich themselves.
Yeah but didn't they torture a reporter to near death, sacrifice other humans as bait, and also brainwash children?
I'd say they're walking a very slim line on thin ice
I mean they're not evil but what they're doing isn't like a shining beacon of wholesomeness
I tell ya hwat
hasty geyser
Like I said, there's no right or wrong answer
dreamy terrace
I wonder what the UNSC's justification was for suggesting martial law on Charybdis IX rather than sanction the Mining corporation responsible for the civil unrest.
gilded mason
And other stuff like child suicide soldiers.
versed helm
Oh yeah with the Spartan-III's?
I think that was ghost of onxy
onyx*
Child suicide soldiers is an oversimplification of the situation.
And it makes it seem un-necessary.
Spartans are not children. Not anymore.
gilded mason
wut
versed helm
But some of those III's were like 12
or even younger I believe
The Covenant were glassing infants in the mother's womb.
By the billions.
They just threw them into the badass oven and popped them out faster
What is a few hundred young, eager warriors in the face of that?
hasty geyser
Well that's the entire moral dilemma of the spartan program
versed helm
If anything, they got to live a little longer, and got the chance to make the difference.
Well yeah it does come down to "Will we let humanity go extinct or sacrifice a few?"
It's not a dilemma. It's an obvious - though extremely unsavoury choice.
versed helm
Human extinction is unacceptable under any circumstance.
hasty geyser
You saying it's not because you swing one way doesn't make it so
versed helm
The potential for it to occur is unacceptable.
I mean, I'm on the side of life, in all things.
hasty geyser
Also the spartan II program was developed to put down human insurrection
versed helm
Every single human being is a living entity just like you, with its own consciousness, potential and human experience.
hasty geyser
Not fight against a genocidal campaign
versed helm
Any choice that deprives a greater number of humans of what they are is the less moral one.
Halo's scale is big. It's really big.
The human sphere is hundreds of worlds.
Or was.
hasty geyser
I am aware of this
versed helm
A few hundred valiant young souls is a drop in the ocean.
That's why the II's took longer to cultivate compared to the III's and IV's right?
It's regrettable, but there is no justifying doing anything else.
gilded mason
I can assume your choice if it was your decision in First Strike, then?
versed helm
I mean with the IV's they just threw them into superior suits
hasty geyser
The II's took longer to develop because ONI wanted true super soldiers
If the program didn't exist all the children would have gone on to become admirals, generals, presidents, leading scientists etc.
Like, Linda was running a fully functioning spy ring in her school as a six year old
The III's were shock troops
Similar to the II's, but less screening, less training, more volatile augmentations and worse armour
versed helm
I figure if the II's had been started during the first Covenant attacks
hasty geyser
Nope
versed helm
that they'd have been rushed or not as pure quality
hasty geyser
Oh yeah maybe
versed helm
Like they had a decade or so to mold the II's?
hasty geyser
But they weren't, the II program was designed to put down the insurrection without humanity devolving into full civil war
versed helm
Compared to the III's who were being cranked out in a matter of months or couple of years?
stoic hamlet
The III’s didn’t need to be as tightly screened, by the time they were augmented they were on par with the II’s without needing to be super special, and none of them died in agony on an operating table.
Their training was more intense, and directly stated to be better by Kurt and Mendez, one of whom had been trained as a II, and the other had trained the II’s.
The armour, while weaker protection wise is still the best stealth suit humanity has, even Forerunner A.I had trouble with it, but the A.I saw MJOLNIR without issue.
And those volatile augmentations allow the Gammas (who where the only ones to receive them) to outlast any other Spartan generation in a slug fest.
Also Gamma was trained as long as the II’s, so......
Oh wow that came out more aggressive than I intended. Sorry
versed helm
Must be that the gammas are rubbing off on you
versed helm
Soon enough you'll be tearing nanocomposite armour apart with your bare hands minus a torso
stoic hamlet
Need to take my smoothers.
versed helm
I leapt 20 feet away from my keyboard when I read that
I'm still shaking...
literally
hasty geyser
Maybe I need to reread GoO 🤔
stoic hamlet
I can provide page numbers n’stuff if you want? I have the book on my shelf
stoic hamlet
He’s the tallest Spartan I think?
I think Sam’s supposed to be but I mean.......8’2”
versed helm
Sam, the canonically accepted big boi is 7"4
IN MJOLNIR
Yeah I enjoyed the scene with I believe it was Fred....
stoic hamlet
I feel like Kurt’s been unofficially retconned
stoic hamlet
Fred’s still alive
stoic hamlet
F
versed helm
If Fred dies with his romance with Lopis forever lost in its current baby steps
hasty geyser
FeelsBadMan
versed helm
I will cry
And abandon Halo for some time
I keep thinking it was Fred or Will he got blown up sacrificing themselves to blow up a covenant ship
hasty geyser
That was sam
versed helm
I guess it's because most of the Spartans have some generic names
See?
Sam, Will, Fred
Christ they're kinda generic I guess?
First names are all generic. They've got interesting second names, though
That just never get used because classified
If I were to marathon the books
I feel like I'm obligated to read the Flood
Frederic Ellsworth
Is Fred's real name.
Linda Pravdin.
But I really dislike the portion with the Library
as if I really wanted to read about that stage
Kelly Shaddock which is one of the most badass names.
When I've died numerous times in it
Reminds me of Captain Haddock from Tintin.
stoic hamlet
The Flood isn’t a bad book IMO
it gets a bad rep but it’s not bad, not as bad as Legacy of Onyx
versed helm
It's got the definitive ODSTs.
And some of the action ain't half bad.
Ultra, ultra grim and violent though.
Which is great.
Marines die constantly and in terrible, terrible ways
Though not as much as elites
Well no it's not a bad book and it gives some pretty good insight
crap I said another bad word
LOL
Anyway the Flood wasn't as good as the other books
I consider it to be more entertaining than the Kilo-5 trilogy.
And more in-line with the things I like about Halo than Bad Blood or Legacy of Onyx.
I prefer not to put her name to it. She's really quite a good writer.
And Kilo-5 has undeniable flashes of brilliance. It just misrepresents ONI and Spartans, and drags a bit.
stoic hamlet
The “lol Halsey’s a witch but also unkillable” trilogy
hasty geyser
Character Assassination, the novel series
versed helm
Perhaps she's unkillable because she's a witch~
But I mean, this is the Halo principle.
stoic hamlet
Lucy uses punch, it’s not very effective!
versed helm
Everything Halo-related is astoundingly solid, and generally well-regarded by folks outside the dedicated fandom unless they've got specific gripes. But when it starts to slip into merely acceptable territory, it feels like it's terrible all of a sudden.
But y'know. I'd still rather play Halo 5's campaign than virtually every other competing shooter.
And I'd still rather re-read Kilo 5 that most of the fiction from other games.
hasty geyser
Nah I'd play titanfall 2's campaign over 5's
versed helm
Titanfall has a good story and killer aesthetic but the gameplay doesn't vibe with me.
last anchor
Overreliance on automatic weapons is not a good thing
You legitimately cant use anything fun in TF2 unless you want to die
Also Halo has the lore, and the lore is literally better than the gameplay in may cases
many
versed helm
I haven't played any Halo games all the way through since Halo 3
the MCC coming to Steam will save my very soul
stoic hamlet
Agree @last anchor
last anchor
That being said it is not particularly fun to join cross-verse comparisons because for the most part Halo tends to just drop a brick on it.
The stuff from it is, compaired to many other series, too good
stoic hamlet
Or totally outclassed
last anchor
Oh yeah. But the gap is pretty big
stoic hamlet
Mhm
last anchor
You dont often see Halo comparied with, say, Macross
stoic hamlet
Halo’s like the middle ground of sci-fi
versed helm
I suppose so
it's not as complex as Star Trek but it has a lot of depth compared to like I dunno
I can't think of any other sci-fi series
caffeine's wearing off
Star Trek has a far higher ratio of handwavium to plausible mumbo-jumbo.
stoic hamlet
^^
last anchor
Definently.
And oddly enough, Halo tech seems to be more tactically effective than Star Wars, which is the other big thing.
Seriously your telling me no one in Star Wars thought to make an equivilent to the Spartan Program?
Pre-Disney Republic Commandos were CLOSE but
last anchor
40k is just nutso
fair hazel
@hasty geyser lay off the insults.
fair hazel
About Travis. Be civil.
exotic zinc
Anyone else see the similarity between the history of the Roman Empire and the Covenant Empire? Roman Empire one of the greatest to ever exist fell and the remnants (Italians) attempted to resurrect it which they did for a short amount of time before it failed and fell again. Same goes for the Covenant Empire it was one of the biggest to exist in the galaxy at the time but fell and the remnants of the empire (Jul 'Mdama's people) attempted to resurrect it which they did for a short amount of time before it failed and fell again.
versed helm
does that mean humans are barbarians 🤔
exotic zinc
Guess so or in the Covenant's terms "Demons"
versed helm
Huh really?
I would've related them to the Romans trying to be the Greeks
ripping all their mythology and concepts from Greeks (Forerunners)
also built off of bad things
very bad things
lone igloo
@last anchor thanks for the help, I have a friend who says that MACs are shut and that lasers are better in every way and I’m trying to prove him wrong, I also wanted to ask about the lock on capabilities of the Orbital Defense platforms and whether they could track a fast moving target?
versed helm
Their ability to track a moving target is based on their ability to predict a foe's trajectory.
At extreme long ranges.
Otherwise the projectile is just too fast for movement to matter.
And prediction of a foe's trajectory is based on computing capabilities - which are near absolute, thanks to AI - and sensory input.
The round itself traditionally seems to lack guided capabilities. That said, guided MAC-launched projectiles do exist, so you never know.
And as far as lasers being better than MACs at every application - well, as with all of these things, there's a balance.
Energy consumption, for a start. I'm not sure about real numbers, but the energy needed to hurl a metallic slug down a barrel of magnetic coils is probably vastly lower than the energy needed to fire a laser capable of burning through titanium-alloy ship plating.
lone igloo
Thank you, I will be sure to wreck him with this argument. One last thing, what would be the average reload time on a MAC for an ODP and the Infinity?
versed helm
Well you can count an ODP's rate of fire in Halo 2.
Cairo Station.
I can't remember off the top of my head xD
Though not all ODP's are that specific type, Moncton-class.
The Infinity has, as I understand it, three main batteries of MAC guns.
Two super-heavy and two heavy on the front
And one super heavy and on heavy on each flank.
Presumably, the rate of fire is pretty wilting.
gaunt karma
wasn't there a thing saying that ODPs could fire their MACs every five seconds due to having a planet-based generator?
dim imp
They fire at near this rate in Halo 2 (or maybe this exact rate but it's pretty fast for a big gun)
gaunt karma
that is pretty fast for a gun that oneshots small warships
lone igloo
Yeah
My friend says that a MAC round does practically no damage as it just goes straight through a ship, still says lasers are better
gaunt karma
ODP MACs fire 3000 ton slugs at 12000 km per second
that's a lot of speed for that weight
it'll go straight through a ship by tearing a big chunk out of it
dim imp
If it lands on the weak point of a ship it is destroyed
Also when it hit a ship I guess that it will burst, making even mire damage
gaunt karma
it'd be basically same as throwing a big rock at something, except it's super dense and travels at 40% the speed of light
from Super MACs anyways
Ship-based MACs are lighter and weaker
dim imp
Even the little mac gun on Pillar of Autumn in Halo Reach can one-shot an unshielded cruiser
gaunt karma
ye
it's lighter and weaker, but still strong as heck
600 tons at 30 km per second for the standard Frigate-based MAC
versed helm
UNSC vs the Imperium of Man, who wins?
lone igloo
Yeah, he says that because it doesn’t explode it will just go straight through and do very little damage
Doesn’t believe me when I say it would devastate a ship
versed helm
Spartans vs Adeptus Astartes, ODSTs vs Scions, and Marines vs Imperial Guard
Marines need more love tbh
And then Master Chief vs Leman Russ
They take on the freaking covenant and can win for crying out loud, they are badass
UNSC vs a galaxy wide tyranid threat. This I'd like to see
I can't get a good idea of how that fight would go because everyone always downplays chief - even Halo fans
I mean, Halo 4 chief can easily sprint 110KPH (69MPH), slap aside high velocity Air-to-surface missiles, absorb blasts that vaporise Brute Chieftans and Hunters, reactivate hyperion missile hydraullics, and even move around slightly when in the Didact's constraint field (which could throw his body further than a football field)
How does that stack up the the other guy?
Oh, and he also survived that huge crater he made in the mission Forerunner in Halo 4
several meters deep
If the tyranids were in Halo, then the UNSC would probably have tripled it's military strength due to the swarm-like nature of the nids. Firing the Halo rings would be a last resort option for even the Covenant
gaunt karma
what's Tyranid
versed helm
Etheric green dudes, I think
radiant sphinx
Different series called Warhammer I believe
versed helm
They're a parasitic lifeform from the Warhammer 40,000 universe. They have many different forms. When they invade a world, they come in with huge hive ships which are essentially lifeforms themselves. Even though there's billions if not more of them, they tend to operate as a hive mind with a queen being at the center
Think of it as a swarm of locusts
dim imp
Flood is worse
versed helm
There's your standard genestealers and then there's the larger carnifexs, then there's the hive tyrants. I have some pictures that I could share if you're interested
I'd say the Flood is quicker.
Not necessarily more dangerous.
Genestealer sleeper cults are a terrifying proposition. The Imperium would probably prefer a straight-up flood outbreak.
Easier to hose down with bolter shells and promethium.
Tyranids are known for devouring any sort of biomass they come across. Once a planet is stripped of it's biomass and sometimes even breathable atmosphere, they move onto the next planet
But I imagine it would be harder for genestealers to hide themselves in Halo's human society. Not dense enough, too well-educated, too moral.
Flood is considered biomass
Tyranids would be considered biomass to the Flood xD
dim imp
Flood is dangerous when a gravemind emerges
versed helm
But their combat capabilities are more reliant on pilfered tech.
Tyranids have the edge, I'd say.
Ironically they both operate similarly
They just grow what they need.
They both rely on biomass lol
Tyranids are animalistic though
dim imp
When flood infected a whole planet, you have basically already lost because of the intelligence of the gravemind
versed helm
I was talking about how The Flood can't grow ships.
I don't think.
I believe tyranids were engineered by the Old Ones. That or they came from a different galaxy
Actually tbh it wouldn't surprise me if The Flood could fashion some kind of space transportation at a certain biomass threshold.
There's probably millions of things they could do and did against the Forerunners that we can't imagine.
dim imp
When you fight flood, you fight yourself but worst
versed helm
I'd love to see a more animalistic version of the flood at some point
Feral stage is as animalistic as it gets.
Play CE. Read The Flood.
Unless you mean animal combat forms xD
dim imp
They charge you in hope to infect you, that's all
versed helm
S-IVs have tangled with The Flood before.
There are pockets of them across the galaxy.
dim imp
Hibernating, waiting for food
versed helm
Some preserved by design, some clinging on to life after the array firing, presumably.
Most would've been struck dumb by the disruption of their neural networks, then been easy prey for sentinels using FSC-disolvant solute.
I kinda hope we see a galaxy wide flood threat at some point, kinda similar to a tyranid hive fleet in some ways
dim imp
Imagine if a gravemind was able to infect a shield world begore the fire of the halo array
elfin crane
a game dedicated to attempting to stop a flood outbreak 👀
dim imp
😌
gaunt karma
I'd love a Flood game
versed helm
I'd like to see the Flood become more feral and almost drone-like in nature
dim imp
I like it when it has a gravemind, it is more a threat 
versed helm
Do they the ability to evolve?
versed helm
I hope they're in Infinite
dim imp
^
versed helm
^^
Welcome to the club of "we want the friggin' flood back".
aka
I want to see something similar to what the Forerunners saw before they were eradicated
"The Halo fan base".
Y'know.
The Flood
aka
The antagonist of the Haloverse
elfin crane
the what now
versed helm
I'm a fan both the Flood and the Tyranids
I like my alien parasites lol
I also like the Xerg
@elfin crane If you look at the overall timeline of the Halo universe, objectively the biggest driving force and the biggest threat to life as we know it is The Flood.
elfin crane
ooo a game that plops us right in the middle of the flood forerunner war
dim imp
"A gravemind survived the halo blast because it was in a shield world. It is now ready to conquer the galaxy !"
versed helm
If the Covenant had wiped out humanity, it's a drop in the ocean.
We're just another conscious, sentient species.
If The Flood win, the only conscious entity is The Flood.
elfin crane
Would be cool to deal with a keymind
versed helm
Everything else becomes part of it.
dim imp
The definition of keymind changed since Halo Wars 2
It can now just be a juggernaut or an abomination
versed helm
Also Haloverse is my new favourite way of saying "The Halo Universe".
Inspired by the Honorverse.
I like to think what would've happened if humanity hadn't encountered the Covenant nor had any insurrections, just encountered the Flood and Forerunner remnants
But salvaged Forerunner tech to improve their current technology
Well we'd have a lot less hinge-head fanboys running about
Thel Vadamming the place
dim imp
Arbyboi for the win
elfin crane
Thanks mr arby
versed helm
When humanity becomes the biggest empire in the galaxy with their reversed engineered Forerunner tech, they then encounter the Covenant which doesn't stand a chance against the far superior human empire
elfin crane
Now that would be interesting
dim imp
Particule cannon and no one could attack any human planet
versed helm
A human/Covenant erupts but lasts for only a few years with humanity winning nearly every battle and taking minimal losses
dim imp
A few days you mean
versed helm
With the Covenant on their knees, High Charity destroyed, and every Prophet killed, humanity has 2 options. Use the rest of them as prisoners or eradicate all of them from existence
Or y'know
We could just chill
elfin crane
I bet they’d have a lot more success with their mission to sneak on High Charity
versed helm
"You guys are fine, don't try and genocide us again tho"
dim imp
If it was this way, we would play a covie to take down humanity
versed helm
Humanity would proceed to commit genocide against the now former Covenant races to prevent another Covenant from happening again, ensuring galactic peace
elfin crane
I wanna play as a grunt!
dim imp
||modding||
elfin crane
Actually a Jackel sniper or something could be cool
versed helm
The human empire now expands their reach across the rest of the galaxy, conquering worlds at every turn they get, eventually becoming more powerful than the Forerunners themselves
Thinks of the jackal sniper from Palace Hotel that stood around and peed on the ground before Chief literally killed it by stabbing his fingers into its brain
Man, old school Halo books were so grim
dim imp
Gross :O
versed helm
War tends to be that way.
dim imp
And now there is no blood in Halo 5
What a time to be alive
versed helm
Old Halo blood splatter was so satisfying.
Walls and stuff really just got painted.
Now we have hit markers.
versed helm
It was so sp00ki
Good recall.
Humanity spends the next several hundred years trying to become the greatest empire in the galaxy, curbstomping every threat that stands in their way
dim imp
With no threat and high technology, they become fat and humanity dies out, killed by fat
The end
versed helm
Whatever innies say, I struggle to conceptualize the UEG as an "Empire".
It's more just a big, expanding space nation.
That generally tried to be moral before it got thrown into a fight to survive.
What a typo
elfin crane
Humanity extinct by means of hamburgers
versed helm
I'm going mental
dim imp
It's all because of moa burger
dim imp
Only 7.77 credits
versed helm
I would totally try a moa burger tbh
dim imp
^
subtle depot
Cooked with real glassing beams!
green acorn
Or the ground pounder
versed helm
Like a high-velocity orbital insertion directly down your throat
Mhm
The delicious taste of plasma-scorched flesh and the scent of propellant residue, with just a hint of jackhammer tube for that extra high-explosive kick.
Delivered on your doorstep via your choice of fully-armed D77 pelican dropship or HEV. Prompt service with a smile!
I can picture Spartan armor made with reversed engineered forerunner technology
With humanity being insanely powerful, there would be thousands of Spartans within the ranks of the UNSC. There would be entire regiments of them. Some of them would even go as far as to using marines as meat shields
First off, not cool. How the hell do you mean "meat shields?"
"Meat shields" isn't a term that really has a place in the UNSC's way of war.
It's not really an efficient way of fighting, either.
You lose a lot of potential useful manpower and material, at the very least.
A much more likely progression is that the Spartan branch as it currently stands will cease to exist, and MJOLNIR tech as well as the necessary biological enhancements with be rolled out much more widely across all UNSC branches.
Instead of having Spartans and regular infantry, regular infantry might be equipped with skinsuits that mirror the capability of MJOLNIR's neuro-reactive fiber bundles, massively increasing their physical capabilities.
Personal energy shields might be rolled out on a wide basis.
For a visual reference, see the un-used ODST concept art for Halo 5
Second off, the funny thing is that in some sense MJOLNIR does incorporate reverse-engineered Forerunner technology. At least, as far as their energy shields go.
Presumably Covenant energy shields are based off Forerunner particle-manipulation tech, and the UNSC reverse engineered them for Mark V's shielding tech.
Though on second thoughts, I think I get what you were trying to do, @versed helm
You're conceptualizing the UNSC as having a similar dynamic to the armed forces of the Imperium in 40k, with legions of power-armoured super-soldiers being backed up by disposable numbers of billions upon billions of regular infantry.
And you know what I say to that?
In realistic terms, the UNSC would probably be better off if they tried to find a happy medium for all their forces. Take, for instance, the Sisters of Battle. Their weaponry isn't as expensive, they're not augmented. But they go toe-to-toe with Warhammer's freakiest threats, daemons and fallen astartes and necrons and the like on a constant basis.
No I'm actually imagining humanity reaching the same technological standpoint as the Forerunners lol
Well the Forerunners didn't exactly use warrior-servants as meat shields either.
As far as we know.
Basically picking up where they left off
I guess I object to terming UNSC infantrymen and women as "meat shields" because, y'know, that's where I see myself in the Halo universe.
Odds are, I wouldn't be lucky enough to get abducted out of billions of potential children at a young age.
Odds are, I'd probably never be enough of a war hero to be a Spartan IV, or psycho enough to be an ODST.
Like most UNSC servicemen, I'd just be another young man enlisting the corps or the army to try and make a difference in a fight I don't really understand.
And it's disturbing to me that me and those like me would be so easily thrown aside.
hasty geyser
Welcome to a war against a technologically and numerically superior foe hellbent on driving your race to extinction
It's not a fun time
versed helm
I wonder what Halo's lore would be like post 3000
Well, hey. At least I'd get to take advantage of the UNSC's comparably lax fraternization regulations.
😉
Wasn't ancient humanity the most powerful empire in the galaxy?
Evidently not, since they got beaten.
Well, that's an oversimplification. They had a war on two fronts.
They've been stated to have technologically surpassed the Forerunners in some ways. Though I believe in terms of "power" they were something like neck-and-neck.
hasty geyser
The Forerunners systematically broke down ancient humanity's empire thanks to the Didact's star-hopping campaign
The Forerunners had a far greater mastery of slipspace
versed helm
Fair enough, though one might make the argument that they might have been able to counteract that capability were they not spread thin and partially wiped-out by the time hostilities began.
I thought I read somewhere that Chief is related to someone that was around during that time
versed helm
I think he means the Bornstellar geas theory.
From what I just posted in spoiler chat, somewhat unnecessarily now that I think on it;
"There is a crackpot theory that Chief has a geas or some form of imprint on him of Bornstellar, the Iso-Didact.
Not something the Librarian ancilla gave him during Halo 4 - something he was born with.
Something to account for his ferocity, leadership skill and luck."
The supporting elements for that theory are that 343 instantly recognized him as being Bornstellar, and treated him as such throughout Halo CE.
gaunt karma
I was thinking about that as I just played through CE
stoic hamlet
I dislike that theory myself
It just feels kinda wrong, same with the “We made a geas to get you where you are” statement from the Librarian.
It devalues a lot of what humanity achieved, IMO, because it implies we didn’t achieve it, not without Forerunner meddling.
feral perch
Keep in mind that 343 Guilty Spark was quite insane by 2552
obsidian thistle
Well also note that as not every human is a reclaimer there is still very much a human element to stuff
stoic hamlet
It’s kind of conflicting
obsidian thistle
Apparently not. Hawk Squad is one such group of humans not to be Reclaimers
They couldnt use a map Crimson did so with ease.
feral perch
Maybe they were just too dumb lol
stoic hamlet
Oh I know, but then we have stuff like Truth kidnapping Johnson or Regret using Anders. Apparently they just got super lucky with their respective kidnapping
stoic hamlet
He wasn’t the one who kidnapped her though. IIRC every Elite who saw her use the tech died in the subsequent fighting
I could be misremembering though
obsidian thistle
Regret knew about Anders ;)
Johnson was lucky.
Regardless not all humans being reclaimers does stop 1 thing. It stops the whole "If geas causes humans to do stuff why did humans cause X absolute horrible thing in human history."
stoic hamlet
Well, it doesn’t stop it though
obsidian thistle
It doesnt cause it either. Its the human element
stoic hamlet
Mhm
obsidian thistle
Its why I say "Geas" aint the answer to everything. And all the horrible stuff in Human history may have wiped out some parts of the Librarians plans or delayed it.
The human element is important after all
stoic hamlet
I never took geas to be that it moulded human emotion. Just tech development
But then Halsey and John throw a wrench into that.........
obsidian thistle
It simply means nothing is devalued in regards to human achievement. And we have no idea how much is human and how much is the geas.
stoic hamlet
Well, we know everything that led up to powered armour and A.I was geas
obsidian thistle
Well more suggestions and spring of the moment ideas
stoic hamlet
And there’s a lot of tech that might fall under those things
obsidian thistle
And we aint sure if all the suggestions and ideas were used. By all means a smart human without geas worked out something amazing that took the place of something geas would of suggested.
Thanks Halo Twitter for the full Mythos art of this
remote spruce
Doesn't geas imply Librarian wanted humanity to be a violent species
obsidian thistle
Be prepared for the Flood.
remote spruce
Including stuff like killing each other?
queen karma
but humans dealt with early flood right?
i thought there was a thing about it before
rose matrix
Yes, humans and san'shyuum fought the flood when they first appeared in the galaxy
versed helm
Didn't the flood just show mercy to the humans?
or at least they were very impressed with what humanity could do
last anchor
Not really.
The Gravemind of that time pulled the Flood back so that they could set up for Invasion 2; Electric Boogaloo
It wasnt humanity's time to be tested yet
versed helm
I'd like to see a Spartan go rogue and become an outlaw
What would happen if the UNSC Infinity gets attacked and raided by pirates?
Human pirates
rare fox
It would be very hard to steal the infinity
rare fox
Just because of the number of people it would require to hold all the sections, kill all of the unsc personnel, and man all of the stations
versed helm
Throw in a couple rogue Spartans with the force of pirates
rare fox
The infinity has something like 300-500 Spartans on average just hanging out inside it
That's the size of an entire company of sIII
versed helm
Imagine if the ship from Halo 2 got raided by pirates
Before the game even started
Has the UNSC ever had to fight off a pirate raid before?
versed helm
When pirates successfully raid the Infinity
https://youtu.be/NLTYkPIglfI
Innie scum :klinkGun:
Or I can't use emotes from other places
last anchor
Their homeworld yes
versed helm
Why are Brutes such jerk cannibals?
last anchor
Cause their planet was a hellhole. And they like to fight everything, including themselves. The Covenant found them after they'd nuked themselves back down to at least the steam age, maybe even earlier
versed helm
Yeah I remember that part surprisingly
But the idea they'd eat any other race is pretty terrible
limpid kernel
They nuked themselves???
gloomy condor
It was in a war
queen karma
a war over the last banana
limpid kernel
It's a miracle smart brutes even came out of this
gloomy condor
Atriox is like the only one
gaunt karma
that we know of
gloomy condor
Yeah
feral perch
Castor was somewhat smart
unique rune
I mean
the Jiralhanae were intelligent enough to get to space
so it’s not like they’re necessarily a race of meatheaded barbarians
they’re just very prone to aggression
which resulted in a civil war between
well
two ideologically different groups
twilit mulch
The Jiralhanae Get to space then Nuke themselves back to the stone age
fluid vapor
They made it to space and then just did a hard reset on their entire civilization
unique rune
I mean
we think of Jiralhanae as dumb for doing it
but I’m pretty sure humanity could have come close had the Cold War made a turn for the worse
gaunt karma
the Jiralhanae just Forerunner'd themselves
modest marsh
@stoic hamlet @last anchor Forerunners can’t even keep their own Monitors in line, I doubt they coded in “probability manipulation” using genetic engineering
stoic hamlet
The Librarian assumed they could, at least. But tbh I think 343 has (thankfully IMO) dropped that whole plot line
stoic hamlet
Lemme find the cutscene, I may be misremembering.
modest marsh
She just insinuated that a Warrior-Servant analog was her intention
That doesn’t really have anything to do with the instances of John inexplicably lucking out within the same game
You literally have stuff falling from the sky at Chief’s feet in certain moments of Halo 4 that can’t really be attributed to anything but coincidence
Particularly egregious is when a pair of Phantoms collide at the end of Forerunner, impacting the ground just a few dozen meters away, basically handing Chief several intact Ghosts
You can’t get much more unreasonably convenient than that, and what’s more problematic when you try to say the Forerunners are responsible is when you consider the fact that this was in defiance to a Forerunner who was confident Chief would be killed and had every reason to think so
stoic hamlet
Hmm? I never attributed those events to geas
stoic hamlet
I only attributed the tech and genetic tampering, which still rubs me the wrong way
remote spruce
Geas yet Chief's armor isn't silver and orange
modest marsh
Not yet anyway
remote spruce
: (
also i wished the composer immunity had an effect on gameplay
stoic hamlet
I never said it was. Obviously the ratio isn’t 1:1 but the meddling still annoys me, even if it was to help mankind
I just think it devalues certain things, is all
modest marsh
I mean it’s also somewhat established since the first game that there was some form of underlying preparedness that the human race innately had to combat the Flood
Guilty Spark makes that clear
stoic hamlet
Yes, but you don’t need Forerunner meddling to have that be a thing.
modest marsh
It’s implied to be exactly that though
remote spruce
I don't like the implication that the Librarian was fine with humanity being violent peeps for the mantle, at least i think she mentioned the mantle
modest marsh
When did she mention violence
stoic hamlet
Oh I know it is. @modest marsh I’m just saying I don’t like it. 😃
modest marsh
That’s an odd sentiment considering how fundamental it is to halo’s universe
All of its technology is borrowed
The Covenant is nearly universally dependent on technology they did not themselves develop
remote spruce
I hid seeds from the Didact. Seeds which would lead to an eventuality. Your physical evolution. Your combat skin. Even your ancilla, Cortana. You are the culmination of a thousand lifetimes of planning."
stoic hamlet
Borrowing tech isn’t the same as genetic meddling.
A common theme of the original books and games (at least in my mind) was always how humanity weathers the storm and improves and adapts despite overwhelming odds, that unlike the Covenant we made our own tech and gear.
But then that comes along, showing we didn’t think of this ourselves, it was implanted into us.
remote spruce
hold on, is the librarian a villain or a hero?
stoic hamlet
What is human achievement and what is Forerunner meddling?
gilded mason
hold on, is the librarian a villain or a hero?
She had good intentions, but kinda screwed things up.
modest marsh
A common theme in the original books is that humans are innately familiar with Forerunner technology and by extension Covenant because they are their descendants
gilded mason
Humans basically have cheat codes regarding Forerunner tech.
Well, reclaimers, at least.
modest marsh
So human achievement is null anyway because we’re Forerunners to begin with? I don’t see how that’s better
remote spruce
does the forerunner trilogy imply that she screwed things up?
modest marsh
It just sounds like you’d prefer a different background history for humanity altogether
The connection between Forerunners and humans is inescapable and there will always be some amount of credit afforded to those that came before
Whether or not we are direct ancestors or a rival species that they ended up helping
stoic hamlet
It’s like......uhh, you’re an amazing scientist, you develop amazing inventions that revolutionize society.
Only you learn later those ideas, or inklings of those ideas weren’t yours, they were implanted in your mind to ensure eventually they would be discovered and made.
So.....did you really achieve anything, with that knowledge? Did all your hours of work matter? Your constant creative sessions, etc, was it really you who developed that stuff? Or are you just following instructions.
junior tapir
The end of Halo 4’s Dawn was really cool, you see Chief and the rest of Forward Unto Dawn getting sucked into that gravity well, and a piece of debris hits chief, everything goes black, and you just see the title “Halo 4”
modest marsh
This is like saying professional athletes don’t achieve anything because their parents encouraged them to pursue that
Except I’d argue even less hands on
junior tapir
Thomas Lasky is one of my favorite characters From the halo series
He was very seasoned and polished with Andrew Del Rio
modest marsh
It’s incredibly broad what the Librarian wanted out of humans, and they’re still distinct enough from the Forerunners themselves that it feels dishonest to say that human achievement is devoid of any of their own merit
junior tapir
Even tho del rio completely lost it and thought that Chief didnt know what he was talkin about
stoic hamlet
Del Rio wasn’t wrong
junior tapir
Del Rio dismissed the fact that the Didact could’ve destroyed Reqiuem if he got what he needed
stoic hamlet
I think it wasn’t explained well, I guess. Maybe that’s why I don’t like it. @modest marsh
There was nothing to back that claim
No evidence
No proof
stoic hamlet
No video recordings, no audio, only he testimony of a rampant A.I and the man who had her in his brain
junior tapir
Ye I guess so
modest marsh
Cortana was away from Chief when it happened though
junior tapir
I just didn’t like his attitude I gues
remote spruce
tfw cortana didn't press record
junior tapir
Guess
modest marsh
Also it’s certainly odd they didn’t find what happened to Chief strange
stoic hamlet
IIRC she says something akin to “I didn’t see anything in there, only static.” To John right after that cutscene
Showing he had no audio or visual recording working
remote spruce
i mean the didact being release part
modest marsh
They should still have bio-sign readings
stoic hamlet
And IIRC Del Rio does consider it, but dismissed it as an enemy trap, and there’s nothing to show it isn’t a trap. He has no reason to believe what’s claimed
versed helm
tardy sage
Yo I got a question about onyx
stoic hamlet
Yus?
wise gazelle
1 Eternity Later
twilit mulch
Its a Shield World Right?
last anchor
Yes
gaunt karma
@tardy sage
tardy sage
Sorry for the wait. Wtf happened to kurt
exotic zinc
What exactly is the Mantel of Responsibility? I know it's given to those to protect and keep order in the galaxy but is it a physical thing or just a title? How would one obtain it? The games never really say
gilded mason
Just a title
exotic zinc
So how does someone get the title? Primordials aren't thing anymore
gilded mason
I assume that they’d just go “We shall inherit the Mantle, because we say we do.”
stoic hamlet
what do you mean? @tardy sage
exotic zinc
Oh 😕
stable seal
hmm :GWczeWhat:
wise gazelle
Love the fact that we have both Rtas and thel in this chatroom
vague scroll
@exotic zinc Its not a title, its a philosophy of galactic imperialism.
And they're not called Primordials, there is an individual known as the Primordial, the species he supposedly belongs to is the Precursors,
The Mantle of Responsibility is believed to have been seized by the Forerunners when they rebelled against the Precursors in the Precursor-Forerunner War. After that the Mantle has been held by the predominant civilization in the Milky Way Galaxy, essentially its like Pax Romanus but for the Forerunners.
rose matrix
the Mantle of Responsibility is like how in the 90s the US called itself the world's sole super power
it's quite literally a nothing
vague scroll
The Mantle actually is tangible given the Forerunner Ecunume subjugated every other civilization under it, it took the Humans to ally with the San'Shyuum even to present a challenge
tardy sage
In ghosts of onyx kurt disappeared in the beginning, how
rose matrix
ONI faked a death on turning off a malfunctioning warp engine
vague scroll
Keep reading, the book does a pretty good explanation.
exotic zinc
Oh yeah can't believe I forgot the name Precursor
tardy sage
Thx bros
exotic zinc
So the mantel technically can be touched?
gilded mason
It is a nonphysical concept
gilded mason
It would be a bad idea for any one species to claim the mantle.
vague scroll
Like I said before, its a political philosophy. It's not a title, a nation or country holds it as their defining mission to ensure galactic peace by force and by their model of it. No individual holds the mantle.
stable seal
listen to wort wort wort in reverse,it says go go go!
celest island
Wort wort wort is SARG Johnson saying go go go
stoic hamlet
yup
scenic jewel
I don't remember but how long was Chief in cryo between 3-4
vague scroll
4 years
deep pewter
Its weird to think about how little time passed between reach and 3
ornate fog
@deep pewter or that the time between CE,2,3 was only 3 months
heavy linden
Yeah. 25ish year long war came down to 3 months
...3 months and about a months worth of time travel for John and the rest of the survivors from Instillation 04
deep pewter
I mean, a lot happened, and the war was mostly won by the elite rebellion
heavy linden
Well, the discovery of the rings was what caused it to shift
Had the Pillar of Autumn not jumped to 04 when it had more than likely the Covenant would've headed towards Earth and Truth wouldn't have pushed the Elites out quite as fast
deep pewter
The rings didn’t really change all that much, they probably would’ve been fired had the elites not rebelled
heavy linden
Eh
The Covenant hadn't know where they were at the time
I'm not saying they wouldn't have found them
But it did help push Truth to cut the Elites out when he did
Vs maaaybe keeping them loyal for awhile longer
Humanity was fairly screwed before the great schism
deep pewter
Oh humanity was on a path to extinction
heavy linden
I really wanted to see another timeline where Sesa 'Refumee didn't try and kill Thel in the gas mine
Start the great schism a few days sooner
deep pewter
I’d want to see an invasion of Earth without the great schism happening in the background
Just watch Earth get brutally destroyed
heavy linden
Yeah
Earth where the Elites commanded
The brutes for all their "brutish" nature aren't the best commanders
Still. Would've been interesting to see In Amber Clad come out at Delta Halo in the middle of the fighting
See how the Elites would've reacted to them being there prior to the "necessity" of it when Tartarus had already activated the ring
That or it'd be kinda neat to see what would've happened had Mendicant Bias not reacted as he did when Humanity was first mentioned when the Covenant first found them
See if Humanity was given a chance to join
stoic hamlet
I think it would have been coo to see Thel fight and obviously lose) Xytan.
but we got a NOVA out of his death so i suppose that was good too.
versed helm
Could the UNSC survive a black crusade or demonic incursion? There's usually tens of billions of demons that range from all sizes, that are seen during these events. Everything ranging from Slaanesh demonettes to Khorne berserkers and Chaos space marines. There's also demonic titans too
Occasionally there's a demonic primarch or 2
brittle gorge
Would a Covennat Noble Guardsman from High Charity take a vacation during the heat of the Schism?
last anchor
Most likely not, I think most of em died
Also I missed all the 40k stuff again, darn
brittle gorge
Another question
Would that honor guardsman leave the covenant and become a christian?
Not my idea, everyone else thinks this is insane
Oh wait, didn't see ya there at first Candian
agile lotus
How heavy are Sangheili and T’vaoans? And is that weight including armor?
versed helm
No description in-armor for either, but T'vaoans are (on average) slightly heavier than human males
Sangheili are approximately twice a Human's weight on average
Armoured Sangheili are heavier, but not significantly to the point of being impossible for Marines to drag around. We see Marines drag one up along the fringe of a metallic slope, which would likely give a hard ~700lb limit at most
broken vapor
So after the firing of the halos but before the first assault on a human world, did the humans and covenant have any interaction?
gaunt karma
I think I remember reading that a human vessel was attacked by a Kig-Yar pirate ship
rapid fable
whatever happen to the bornsteller diadact
humble yacht
Iso-Didact went back to Maethrillian after firing the rings, helped reset the Domain, and then left the galaxy to live out the remainder of his days in exile
remote spruce
Farmer Didact
humble yacht
Pretty much
Didact-snap and then Farmer didact
Fun isn’t something one considers when stopping the Flood, but this does put a smile on my face.
😉
obsidian thistle
If he be alive is a mystery, the bigger mystery is his [redacted].
humble yacht
Son
obsidian thistle
I was trying to be a lil more encouraging for them to read Fractures :P
gaunt karma
well but with a p, so welp
humble yacht
Noted for posterity
humble yacht
Whill Wheaton
gaunt karma
Where there is a Whill, there is a Whay
humble yacht
Yes
obsidian thistle
Welp is the word you are after. Whelp is a term for young animals.
The young whelp ran to its mother.
"Welp! Thats something"
stoic hamlet
“Careful whelp”
also works
versed helm
What
distant island
I rereading fall of reach , flood, and first strike and man I forgot how much I love those books
versed helm
How would Freudian psychology apply to Halo?
last anchor
MAC guns
versed helm
I mean the psychological aspects of Halo
last anchor
Again; MAC guns
versed helm
Well, y'know. Freud being Freud.
Everything is bad, everyone is selfishly motivated by a variety of internal deficiencies
The aliens suck, the human beings probably suck worse somehow, and the Spartans are egomaniacs or some nonsense
restive sage
i wonder if jun is just retired or is a still a spartan
he might be in halo 6
idk yet
gilded mason
Jun seems irrelevant at the current story point.
restive sage
yeah but i still think that noble 6 is alive but not really mention
gilded mason
that noble 6 is aliv but not really mention
He is super dead.
mystic trail
He's alive in our hearts :(
last anchor
He was...mediocre
A III. He did what he was supposed to do; kill Covenant, and then die
oblique cobalt
Is it too far fetched to say he died as he lived?
last anchor
Not in the least
deep pewter
Regular IIIs and Headhunters are so much more interesting than Noble Team
oblique cobalt
Tbh a standard marine is more interesting than them. At least most marines remember to wear their helmets.
Hint hint KAT...
last anchor
Kat had her helmet on. Its systems were just completely corrupted by the 50 million+ Juguns of radiation they just got hit with.
Think plasma pistol overcharge, times like, a BILLION
remote spruce
i wish the shields flared though
oblique cobalt
True. Idk why I thought her helmet was off, must've been a lapse of memory.
last anchor
Its fine
maiden island
So in Halo 2 just after killing Regret how did the Gravemind grab Chief if the containment shield around the library was still up? Especially since Sacred Icon takes place after it in the game’s timeline
raw sand
Because the grave mind was in the library for it has reach where ever the flood is
last anchor
Kilometer long tentecals
oblique cobalt
But the flood weren't in the temple?
versed helm
Imagine if Chief got sucked into hell and he was forced to fight his way through entire legions worth of demons
He ventures through the 9 circles of hell leaving a trail of dead demons behind him
severe lodge
How did the gravemind teleport mc to high charity and arbiter to control room ? He has the monitor but is that it ?
versed helm
plot hole
carmine sleet
The Gravemind had tapped into the teleportation network of Installation 05, similar to how Chief and Cortana used it once during Halo Combat Evolved
@versed helm You literally described the plot of Doom, not really much room for imagining there
versed helm
After killing thousands of demons, a domonic priest then proceeds to incapacitate Chief then locks him inside a temple
carmine sleet
Still just describing the plot of Doom
versed helm
Can the Flood corrupt AIs?
I'd imagine if Chief were fighting demons in hell, Cortana would become somewhat corrupted due to arcane energy being used against him
severe lodge
thanks @carmine sleet I still need to wrap my head around the idea that the flood - which is 100% organic - can corrupt AIs such as mendicant bias or cortana on high charity (and access teleportation network on delta halo)
carmine sleet
I recommend looking up what is known as the Logic Plague
severe lodge
Defintely will ! Thanks
vivid dust
maybe she heard of it when she was in Alpha Halo's Control Room?
lunar temple
Maybe