They did say Atlas armor would have built in weapons
#lore-and-universe
last anchor
lunar temple
versed helm
What tech tier is today's humanity?
steel moth
I think either tier 6 or 5
strong sage
@last anchor kinda reminds me of the Spartan sniper concept for halo wars 2 fam
steel moth
What if they had a buzz lighteyear armour with built in laser on the arm
versed helm
Do Spartans have night vision built into their visors?
I would imagine so
I'd like to see night vision as an ability but only for campaign and co op
It would be neat, though I prefer ODST's VISR mode - it seems a little more creative
steel moth
I think the headhunters have might vision visors
versed helm
I feel that 343 and crytek would make a nice collaboration for a future game
I have some more ideas on what Spartan 5s should be like
I mean, VISR exists on the night vision thing.
And the Headhunters have it.
And probably a whole lot of other people too.
Wonder why the need was felt to stick torches on as the default MA5 underbarrel
One of my ideas is that the wearer would be become one with the armor. Since prisoners are the subjects for the program, their minds would be completely wiped. Their suits will act as a computer system almost so they'll be more machine than anything.
Spartan 5s will not have the ability of free will
The recruits could be anywhere from mass murderers to terrorists, the worst types of criminals. Instead of serving a life sentence, they'll be sentenced to servitude which would be far worse than life in prison or death. Spartan 5 training would be much worse than Spartan 2 training
upper star
I always loved the idea of the original Spartan II whose bodies werent up for wearing MJOLNIR in it's current form, being put into a heavy suit similar to one we see in prototype
They are relatively cocooned a gel layer and linked up to the suit through synapses links
So they put all of that spartan train to use while at the same time bringing enough firepower to bare to bring down a small ship
carmine sleet
@versed helm I highly doubt the UNSC would want to give terrorists and murderers the tools to do what they were already doing but on a much grander scale. If a S-V program does ever happen, it'd likely be similar to the S-IVs in that they have consenting adults from various military branches within the UNSC
upper star
The idea is similar to any anime mecha you can think of
@carmine sleet I agree with you on that. All you have to do is look st how Ilsa Zane turned out and you will see how the UNSC will never go down that route with S-V
carmine sleet
Indeed. Too many risks of defection with people like that
And not to mention the chaos that it would bring
upper star
It will be a case of exceptional soilders or even other humans within the UNSC who are recruited. I think it will be making the level of S-II augmentations safer so that they can be as strong as a II out of armour combined with Gen III armour
The criminal idea is good for a dirty dozen/ bad company group of marines or maybe ODST like troops
Who are just sent on those missions command wants done but doesn't really want to use their class troops for
carmine sleet
Aye, I'd rather see a group of ODSTs made up of the scum of humanity than supersoldiers gone rogue because then at least if the ODSTs go rogue, they're not going to be able to do the things a Spartan can
upper star
Agreed
Plus I think if they have a Spartan handler or overseer who is that visual reminder that if they mess around he has the ability to snap them in 2 even without his or her armour will make it a bit of a fun dynamic
carmine sleet
Aye, that would be a logical decision for them to make too. Especially if the criminals have heard of the tales of what Spartans can do, such as with the nursery rhyme that Innie children would sing about Watts
steel moth
I wonder how many Spartans out there have cybernetic/bionic limbs and the extent of their power
I know the obvious one is kat but I've never seen any others
Imagine if they had Deus Ex style enhancements
versed helm
I have a theory that the UNSC mainly uses cloned limb and organ grafts instead of bionic replacements, which are only used should the body reject the cloned bits.
Explains the lack of bionic arms and such amongst most infantry.
versed helm
I'm guessing that Kat, perhaps because of her enhanced body, rejected a cloned arm.
And perhaps Captain Ponder from Contact Harvest's nerve endings were too badly damaged from the grenade blast that took his arm, or he was just a natural rejecter.
carmine sleet
Well, we see cloned organs being given to people before, including Spartans, in the novels. It could just be a case that it's much harder to attach a new limb than it is to replace an organ
versed helm
Good point.
I mean, limbs entail bones. And Spartan II and presumably III bones were enhanced through a process that seemed extremely delicate and potentially reliant on a complete skeleton.
Plus a considerable amount of nervous tissue and muscles that are also augmented.
Probably just cheaper and easier to get a high-end bionic, even if it was possible to recreate a spartan arm.
carmine sleet
Indeed, not to mention that if they reject a new organic limb, that would be allot of money and resources wasted
stoic hamlet
I don’t think it would be possible to create an augmented arm, tbh.
upper star
Didn't Kelly have a whole lung and spleen cloned when she was picked up in first strike?
versed helm
Lungs may have been.
Dunno about the spleen.
But there's a lot of augmentations in an arm
Only one in a lung, if any
carmine sleet
They did have to augment the cloned organs, that is correct
upper star
Sorry I meant she had her lung cloned not augmented if there was any confusion
carmine sleet
Ah, I see
stoic hamlet
There isn’t. We’re discussing if the cloned lung was also augmented
Sorry that came off as rude
upper star
With the S-IVs dont they have a augment which allows them to breath in atmosphere with a lower oxygen level?
An
I think it was in new blood when Buck is recounting all the augmentations he had done and what he is now capable of doing even without the armour
@stoic hamlet dont worry about it
I prefer to save my offence for more relevant things unlike most people today haha
versed helm
@carmine sleet their minds would be completely wiped so they won't be able to do that. Think of the Servitors from Warhammer 40k for example and also the Dune universe
carmine sleet
Ok, that's not Halo
stoic hamlet
Yeah dude that’s 40K. They already have that
versed helm
It's just an idea I had. I like the thought of Spartan 5s being more machine like
carmine sleet
Like, as far as we know, there is no mind wiping tech in the Halo universe
versed helm
S5s wouldn't come into service until the 2580s
carmine sleet
Plus the aforementioned risks I mentioned still apply anyway because if they suddenly start remembering their past, they could still go back to doing the things they did before
We have little lore on what happens in the 2580's
upper star
@versed helm like what, S-V being the UNSC version of knights
stoic hamlet
It fits 40K just fine however
upper star
?
versed helm
Actually I got the idea from Dune
stoic hamlet
He wants hem to be brainwashed prisoners sealed into suits of armour @upper star
stoic hamlet
Well, 40K took a lot of inspiration from Dune
carmine sleet
They specifically said mind wipe, which is different to brainwashing
versed helm
Terminator as well
stoic hamlet
40K does have exactly what you’re talking about though
upper star
It would be a step back for the UNSC to do something like that
versed helm
I could see ONI doing it
upper star
Plus given that this will be post created uprising. I think the UNSC will not exactly be putting its eggs in that basket
versed helm
They do lot's of questionable things that go against UNSC regulations
carmine sleet
Again, still not a good idea to augment their enemies and hope they help them fight their former allies
upper star
@versed helm meh fair point, however post created, I dont really see it. Also why not just have androids
?
carmine sleet
It's much easier to do what was done with the canon Spartan Programs
stoic hamlet
^^^^^
versed helm
@carmine sleet no reason to hope if they're programmed to do so 😃
carmine sleet
Programming can be broken
upper star
The IIs were indoctrinated as kids and we still see them revolt against the system. I think an adult set in their was especially murderous ones isn't going to be your most effective soldier
versed helm
Another idea I have is a suit that's capable adapting to certain environments
stoic hamlet
In what way? @versed helm
versed helm
A built-in cloaking device would be pretty cool
upper star
The suit already are rated for various environments in its standard form. I am guessing you want to see slight, transformer styled changes from the suit. However I think it's just a bit much.
carmine sleet
@stoic hamlet Not to mention that the UNSC has reverse engineered Covenant stealth tech for use in combat as well, such as in Halo Reach and 4 with the active camo armour ability
upper star
You could see probably seals reform or changes in plating dependant on AOE. Example the cap lid and shoulders on classic armour retracting when in urban environments
strong sage
Guys us teh odst same level around with Tier 1 operators? Or uh odst are more than that
upper star
That why you need specialised armour. To try and fit that into a single standard set, you will get something like a cyclops
versed helm
ODSTs are sort of like Navy SEALs
upper star
@strong sage they are the SAS of the future
versed helm
Or Green Berets
strong sage
Ahhhhh but they have more intense training i assume than their modern counterparts ye?
upper star
I would say so
strong sage
Thanks fam 👍
upper star
If nothing else not letting the brown adrenaline run down your leg when your dropped out of a ship in orbit in intense enough
@strong sage cool
versed helm
How strong is ODST armor?
I want to see a Spartan team that specializes in stealth ops
carmine sleet
That's kinda what the S-IIs did, they were meant for more covert operations opposed to fighting on the frontlines
Grey Team and Black Team are both great examples of teams that were always on covert missions
twilit nebula
That's why in quik macths I'm always black, and use an eneegy sword and 50 cal double zoom
strong sage
I love gray team lol
Troublemakers
I mean even thou they arr the misfits of the II they still treat the other team as their brother/sisters right?
carmine sleet
Grey Team are by far my favourite S-II team, would love to see them appear in the future in a side game
Also, yes, they do treat the rest as their brothers and sisters
strong sage
Ayeeeee i hope they make an appearance in infinite fam ^~^
carmine sleet
I doubt they'd appear in Infinite, at least not as part of the story anyway
versed helm
Blue team most likely will
strong sage
I mean at least reunion between the IIs all of em
versed helm
I loved their conversations in 5
strong sage
And i would love to see the 4’s reactiom as they see the II face to face
versed helm
Aren't 4s just upgraded 2s?
carmine sleet
No
versed helm
Are there any active SIIIs in 2558?
carmine sleet
S-IVs are soldiers from various UNSC branches that were asked to become a Spartan by various recruiters
There are active S-IIIs in 2558
versed helm
The Ferrets, for one
versed helm
Lopis and her Gammas are the most blessed thing in the entire Haloverse
Adorability factor off the charts
Wasn't Grey team in Ghosts of Onyx?
versed helm
They were originally from The Cole Protocol
Then followed up in Envoy
I thought they were for some reason. Must've mixed them up with another team
There's a lot of Spartans in GoO
Easy to get confused
I wonder if any of them encountered prometheans there
Prometheans have only started popping up on Onyx during the Created crisis.
Specifically as the result of an awakened guardian.
Legacy of Onyx details it. Interesting read, if a bit light at times.
last anchor
It was fun
stoic hamlet
As far as we know 323 Gammas are alive and well as of 2553
carmine sleet
The only Forerunner constructs that were encountered on Onyx before 2558 that were hostile were the Onyx Sentinels, right? I've got Legacy of Onyx but not yet read it so I don't know all the details
versed helm
That's a lot of kid psychos
stoic hamlet
And as of 2558 at least one is still operating
Though without her teeam
But she solo’d the Servants Of The Abiding Truth in SPI, so, she’s no slouch
But then no Gamma is
rose matrix
you'd think at that point the IIIs would be given Gen 2
stoic hamlet
They have been
RECLUSE
it seems to be specific to Gammas
Or at least they’re it’s most likely wearers
carmine sleet
It could be a case of this Spartan not wanting to use Gen 2, kinda like how Kurt wore SPI armour opposed to his old Mark IV, or that for this specific mission, deploying them in Mjolnir would've been too risky for some reason
versed helm
Gammas have like their own cult following in the Halo community. It's cool.
Playing as a gamma would be awesome. Noping out on death and going all Doom berserk.
stoic hamlet
Well G-059 (the Gamma who solo’d the Servants) originally went in stealthy so that’s probably why she kept her SPI.
But then when things went loud she jumped through a window, killed three or so Elites with their own energy swords then shot Telcam through the head, so.......
carmine sleet
If that was the only option they had, they would've had to have taken it
stoic hamlet
^^^the above is from the short story/comic Knight Takes Bishop if people were wondering.
Well it definitely seems tailored to them
versed helm
This is why I prefer Xbox over PlayStation 😂
stoic hamlet
Helmet description: Lack of ethical, legal and administrative oversight would allow hypothetical RECLUSE designers to fully exploit Spartan neurological peculiarities - albeit at great risk of inducing dangerous side effects.
Armor description: The RECLUSE does not appear in any UNSC logistics tracking system, nor does it bare any manufacturing markings. It is a suit that doesn't exist, created for missions that never happened, by Spartans who never were.
^^^RECLUSE description
carmine sleet
The lore for many games is deeper than most think, it's not something exclusive to Halo or Xbox
stoic hamlet
^^^^
last anchor
Wait, I thought the S-III that killed Telcam was a guy. Where did we learn it was a girl?
Also Halo has really good deep lore, whereas most dont
stoic hamlet
The author confirmed it in a waypoint interview I believe
last anchor
Cool, glad to know.
stoic hamlet
But there’s not a mention of her gender in the story
last anchor
Hester Shaw strikes again
Yeah, I dont think theres mention of name either, just Spartan number so
stoic hamlet
Yeah, just G-059
last anchor
Hester G-059. I accept this
stoic hamlet
Not a very gender appropriate name, but fair does
last anchor
Hester's a girls name
stoic hamlet
Is it? I can’t say I’ve heard it before
remote spruce
Yeah it is
gray ice
It’s been stated that some SIII’s opt to use SPI still but they’re given a choice to use GEN2. I know it’s been stated G059 was wearing SPI but given her armor had thruster packs and such it would’ve made more sense if it was some sort of SPI emulation like Helljumper is for ODST gear.
last anchor
Maybe something like chronathor's "Ghost" GEN 2 variant?
Stylistically and technologically SPI but with a full set of upgrades?
gray ice
Exactly like that
That would work
If 343 wants to make something like that for Infinite, god knows I’d appreciate it.
last anchor
Dude does good enough work.
gray ice
Oh yeah for sure
maiden island
So question, in Halo 2 Truth gives the command for Tartarus and the brutes to start order 66ing elites on I05 and High Charity after Regret died, but did he give this command earlier in other locations cause in the first level of Odst, Brutes had already killed the Elites in New Mombasa??
carmine sleet
He gave the command to the Brutes he sent to Earth because he wanted to make sure that they didn't find the portal first
maiden island
Ah that makes sense now
So I assume then as soon as Regret’s ship jumped into slipspace in the city the brutes started executing elites
gray ice
Terrible strategy tbh “lmao let’s have a civil war on the enemy’s homeworld”
stable seal
Why?Brutes are idiots
carmine sleet
It wasn't really a civil war until what happened on High Charity happened
versed helm
What's in the suits that grunts wear?
gaunt karma
Methane
stable seal
dead patients oxygen suit maybe XD
gaunt karma
They breathe methane
versed helm
Imagine lighting a spark near one of them
stable seal
KABOOOOM
versed helm
Or their home planet 😂
stable seal
XD
versed helm
I think the reason why their voices are so high pitched is because there might be helium in their suits as well
weary atlas
That is a good point. so does that mean we'll never hear whata GENUINE grunt voice sounds like?
gaunt karma
unless breathing Oxygen would have the same affect as breathing in helium does for humans
that means grunts probably don't have balloons
gaunt karma
I meant that if they breathe in a gulp of oxygen, like humans do with helium from balloons, it might make the grunts voice a bit deeper
cause technically the high voice is a genuine grunt voice
versed helm
I think their voices from Halo 4 are actually what they really sound like
They were somewhat deep at times
gaunt karma
the high voices are their actual voices, they live and breathe in methane :p
on Balaho
it's also why their blood is bioluminescent blue
could someone who knows Spartan-IIIs explain to me what the difference between Alpha, Beta, and Gamma companies are? cause I'm real confused about them
steel moth
Grunts probably love the smell of farts
remote spruce
Delta is not a thing
gray ice
@gaunt karma Alpha came first, Beta second, Gamma third. Alpha was wiped out during Operation: PROMETHEUS, Beta during Operation: TORPEDO, Gamma is still mostly around, had 330 Spartans instead of 300, and had illegal augmentations to their brains
Delta had the groundwork laid, nothing more.
stoic hamlet
@gaunt karma Alpha and Beta are essentially the same the difference is when they were trained. Gammas are stronger, faster and more durable than any other Spartan III or otherwise
remote spruce
Meow 2s
stoic hamlet
Yes but augment wise they were the same
gray ice
Gamma’s augments were the same too, the only difference was the brain augmentation and their training being the best
stoic hamlet
Technically semantics but ye
gaunt karma
when was Operation: Prometheus?
stoic hamlet
2537
gaunt karma
oh, jeez
stoic hamlet
Torpedo was 2545
gray ice
They were critical operations that delayed the Covenant, but yeah they got wiped out
stoic hamlet
They saved he human race
gray ice
TORPEDO had 2 survivors
gaunt karma
were there any survivors from Alpha and Beta? (aside from Noble Three)
gray ice
Yes, other Spartans were pulled out for teams like Noble
stoic hamlet
Well, 5 minus Jun
gaunt karma
let's give a random year and say, any by 2550? :p
gaunt karma
ye
stoic hamlet
Hazel-A302, Kevin-A282, Owen-B096, Lucy-B091, Tom-B292 by 2553
And Gauntlet Red and Echo were also around
gray ice
Gauntlet, Echo, and one of the many Red teams were likely S-III teams
stoic hamlet
Thom-A293 hadn’t died yet either
gray ice
Also there were plenty of Headhunters around at that point I imagine
stoic hamlet
343 confirmed they were @gray ice
gray ice
Dope
stoic hamlet
We know there were some at least active during Beta’s deployment
gray ice
There were only ever 27 Headhunters active at once, max, but I imagine some were around then.
stoic hamlet
From Headhunters
gray ice
Rosenda was also probably around
Idk if she’s canon or not
Yeah, RIP to those four Headhunters
remote spruce
Ree
gray ice
Though I’m also hesitant to see them addressed bc that’d force me to change up my Fanon.
stoic hamlet
What’s your fanon?
gray ice
Oh like Distant Tide I’m pretty active on the Halo Fanon wiki
And I’ve written about both those programs to some degree.
Just cause it’s unexplored territory to mess around in
versed helm
Imagine if a Covenant fleet the size of the one that invaded Reach, invades Coruscant during the height of the Clone Wars
versed helm
There would be a fleet of around 20 or so Venator class star destroyers and around 100+ Covenant ships
elfin crane
Not sure if you’re familiar but check out Eckharts Ladder on YouTube? He does hypothetical battle scenarios like that and tries to explain them.
fair hazel
So you like his halo content?
elfin crane
I find it enjoyable. There’s some things I disagree with when he does halo vs Star Wars. I feel like he downplays Halo capabilities sometimes but overall it’s cool
fair hazel
What about the halo lore videos
elfin crane
I like them a lot. I’m not the most knowledgeable person in terms of lore so it’s nice to learn
last anchor
Eric likes to bring up Eck because he basically spoon-fed him lore for a while
gray ice
Oof?
elfin crane
I like his content a lot. Especially since I’m pretty casual about lore.
elfin crane
😰
gray ice
Now the lore police are gonna black bag you
elfin crane
ONI gonna get me
gray ice
yep, ur done 4
remote spruce
O N I open up!
cyan oasis
Is it canon that rtas vadam gor his hat back?
gilded mason
What hat?
cyan oasis
His hat
elfin crane
what are the chances you can get away if ONI is after you. Asking for a friend
remote spruce
0.7%
cyan oasis
slim to none unless you have a spare slip space drive and an ai to get you to the outter colonies, or beyond
remote spruce
Not to mention spare Spartan Lasers
cyan oasis
No need for weapons if you have a slip space drive and a fast ship
gray ice
In all seriousness evading ONI would likely be incredibly difficult
remote spruce
Gotta have a distraction just in case though
cyan oasis
Or if you have a slip space drive and a certain spartan 2
gray ice
Likely not impossible if you stuck to the frontier though
remote spruce
Off the grid
elfin crane
i wonder if it depends on the severity of what you did. Or if it just doesn’t matter since it’s ONI and they’re gonna get you
remote spruce
Even then an ODST or Spartan may knock knock
elfin crane
ODST squad just knocks on your front door. And you don’t know why
cyan oasis
They'd knock on the ceiling bub
remote spruce
They just drop their pods into the ceiling, landing in the basement
cyan oasis
Just fill your "house" with exploaives and dig a tunnel to a differemt house
gray ice
Plain clothes folks
remote spruce
"yo why my neighbor pulling out a sniper rifle"
elfin crane
I wonder if any of the books or anything in the wikis go deeper about ONI 
stoic hamlet
In what way @elfin crane
elfin crane
Their operations, how they respond to different things, just.... more about what they do I guess.
rose matrix
I think it was the first book in the kilo five trilogy that described ONI as "organized crime in uniform"
gray ice
God now I wanna write about an Oscar 9 type unit instead of finishing my next chapter
gaunt karma
what's an Oscar 9 unit?
fair hazel
I write halo scripts. So it’s nice when people enjoy the content I partake in making.
gilded mason
He is talking about Eckharts Ladder, I believe
gray ice
Ah
obsidian thistle
Halopedia is due to help youtubers soon with scripts and so on. Making sure stuff is right. :)
gray ice
Hah nerds why check lore when you can make your own 😜
gray ice
Fanon can be a pretty fun way to bide your time even if you don’t wanna write. Not talking about my stuff but there are some really capable authors over there and even if it isn’t canon it’s interesting
stoic hamlet
How heavily moderated is it?
gray ice
I’d say decently so, we keep things in check. Some of the old stuff on the site can be a bit wacky, but new stuff is pretty heavily kept in check, to ensure it isn’t just out of the realm of possibility and blatantly lore breaking
gray ice
We try to maintain a pretty consistent level of quality so we don’t have Sonic OC’s with katanas running around
stoic hamlet
Hmm, a lot of articles outright change established lore
Not really a fan of that, myself
gray ice
Depends on the article, there are some that focus on things like Delta Company, but the explanation is decent and it does a good job explaining why it isn’t ever spoken of. But it’s not always for everyone, can’t fault you for that.
Another author and I made it so within our works a few more Beta’s didn’t get KIA’ed in TORP and pass off their survival as being classified by ONI (which given ONI marked all of Gamma as KIA, isn’t too big a stretch imo). But again, it’s all up to personal taste.
gaunt karma
I just realised my question about the Spartan Laser being available in 2550 is answered by Halo Wars
Jerome has a Spartan Laser in like, 2531? whenever Halo Wars took place
elfin crane
he found the secret to the infinite spartan laser
gaunt karma
everyone in Halo Wars did the infinite ammo cheat
last anchor
Nah, they just have constant refills from the Spirit. Thats whats in all those supply boxes the Darter dropships bring down; fresh ammo right out of the war forges
Jerome just has a gigantic stash of extra batteris
elfin crane
would be a very differnet game if it had ammo counts
gaunt karma
I figured as much, I'm just bein' silly
stoic hamlet
November 2551
feral perch
I think it was prototyped at least as early as 2551
gaunt karma
hrm
feral perch
But Mark VI was prototyped in the 2540s, I believe, through Mjolnir BLACK
gaunt karma
so would that mean that Red team having shields in Halo Wars was incorrect?
feral perch
No, that was just really early prototyping
gaunt karma
ah, okay
feral perch
Same for the Battle Rifle being used in novels before Halo 2, when the DMR was in greater use
gaunt karma
is that saying DMRs were used more than BRs?
stoic hamlet
REd team having shields is non canon
gaunt karma
ahhh, okay
stoic hamlet
the BR was introduced in 2525
feral perch
Is it?
stoic hamlet
yes
feral perch
Source?
gaunt karma
Halo Wars was in 2531 or something
stoic hamlet
it's noted as a new weapon in Contact Harvest
gaunt karma
so Red Team would've had Mjolnir armor with shielding in 2531
stoic hamlet
no they wouldn't have
stoic hamlet
gameplay=/= canon
gaunt karma
I assume
I know
there seems to be a misunderstanding here =w=;
restart, I know now that Red team having shields in Halo Wars was incorrect
feral perch
The BR was retconned into prominence by Contact Harvest iirc
gaunt karma
BR was released a while ago, I found that out via wiki too
when I realised the games were wrong for weapon availability
stoic hamlet
well, the M392 was the main weapon before the BR55, introduced in 2510, and the Army continued to field it well into the 2550's
gaunt karma
I'm mainly just trying to figure out what Mjolnir armor they would be using in the 2550s
which I assume is the Mark IV
stoic hamlet
GEN2
stoic hamlet
yeah IV
gaunt karma
ye
feral perch
Mark IV is the best looking Mjolnir also
stoic hamlet
agreed
gaunt karma
was trying to figure out whether or not they'd have energy shielding :p
I like the look of all of them
feral perch
It's kind of irritating when Mark VI is used to represent other iterations of Mjolnir earlier in the war
gaunt karma
ye
feral perch
Notably in some art and a couple of Legends stories
stoic hamlet
well, there were SPI variant's testing out energy shielding in the 2540's
gaunt karma
ye, I'm going to have one that might have shielding
stoic hamlet
but MJOLNIR wasn't until 2551 with the introduction of Maark V
stoic hamlet
what're you making, exactly?
gaunt karma
story
writing one, I like writing, I like Halo, I haven't combined the two yet
so I'm doing that now
versed helm
Legend
feral perch
Interesting
gaunt karma
Legend?
sour stream
I had a halo story i wanted to make, but I need to get back on that eventually.
versed helm
Personally the lore surrounding emergy shields, mark V and the year 2551 triggers me
Bungo was too heavy handed in their retconning
gaunt karma
heh
versed helm
Just say teams like NOBLE had been the testbed for shields for a while, and respect TFOR's canon regarding SIIs.
stoic hamlet
there's no reason the S-II's might not have been able to be outfitted with energy shields until 2552
logistics are a thing
versed helm
Also tbh
You know that bit of silent cartographer lootcrate art?
Should've been Chief in CEA
Just sayin'
gaunt karma
another reason I'm asking all these questions is cause I just figured out how to play Halo: Mythic (the TTRPG) so I'm figuring out what's available to anyone who might be playing with me
sour stream
One of the people I had in my high school english class a few years back thought Halo Legends and Forward Unto Dawn weren't canon cuz they came out after some of the games.
only short in Legends that wasn't canon was Odd One Out.
gaunt karma
Spartan 1337 was great though
sour stream
same. and I hear they're still working on the Halo tv series.
unique rune
I sure hope that TV series comes out within our lifetimes
vague scroll
@gaunt karma I recommend visiting the Halopedia site and their Discord then. They got a lot of folk there that can help you with any lore you got questions for.
gaunt karma
I still need to do that
vague scroll
Aye! They’re a cool group of people!
plush widget
what do you think would have happened if the convenant hadnt taken reach?
versed helm
Well, if they still managed to stumble on Earth, there would've been a huge-ass defence fleet inbound from Reach pretty quick, I'd imagine, to supplement the defences.
Earth might have an easier time not falling against similar fleet sizes that hit Reach than Reach because of their more advanced Moncton-class ODPs, which didn't require groundside generators.
As we saw, the Covenant needed to board them and plant antimatter charges to clear the way for their capital ships.
topaz forge
Does anyone know any deep lore on sangheili Fleet Security?
final plume
So following the whole Delta Halo Control Room thing,
What if under certain circumstances, if one control room is no longer functional, protocol starts the construction of another.
This would explain why Delta's is above the surface on an island, where the gravemind can't easily reach and where it'd be easy to build without deconstructing the ring.
For Halo Wars 2, it could've been protocol against covenant/humans, as activation during the construction of the ring will destroy the rings and not effectively wipe out all nearby life.
The only reason why Installation 08 had its control room constructed like it was, could've been due to 343GS wanting it to be so.
If you also look at the outside of Delta's uninfected control, it's shape matches the other control rooms.
This whole theory explains why no other such control rooms were found on Installation 04 and why 343gs never went to any other on Installation 04
What does everyone else think?
versed helm
UNSC vs the Galactic Empire
agile lotus
TCW, yes.
versed helm
The Galactic Empire has the Death Star and the UNSC has the Infinity
versed helm
Been discussed many times on /r/whowouldwin. Short answer is, the technological power of Star Wars is simply on a whole other scale than Halo, owing to the fact that it is science fantasy. Star Wars wins every single one of these matchups.
agile lotus
Energy Sword VS Lightsaber
obsidian dust
Lightsaber
agile lotus
Reasons.
versed helm
I feel like an energy sword wielder could fight off someone with a lightsaber
agile lotus
Darth Maul vs Ripa ‘Moramee
versed helm
That double bladed lightsaber tho
agile lotus
Dual Wield Energy Swords.
gilded mason
Also, you know. The Force.
versed helm
If it were someone like Darth Vader than Ripa would win
agile lotus
No force, just swordplay.
versed helm
Also height comes into play as well. A sangheli is around 7'5 in height and Darth Maul is around 6ft
I'm gonna have to give it to Ripa Moramee
agile lotus
Even with the Force, or for that nullify things?
glass pewter
This is some good lore discussion
elfin crane
is there anything in the halo universe even remotely like the Force?
elfin crane
thats what came to my mind
remote spruce
gravity manipulation
elfin crane
interesting
glass pewter
Crazy how nature do that
elfin crane
Going back to the star wars v Halo thing. I kind of feel like a big factor would be if halo level shields could deflect or absorb the energy of turbo lasers 🤔
short oasis
wishlist for lore for the next game: integrate the Assembly back into things
(unlikely but it's worth a shot)
glass pewter
I mean they didn't do so hot against plasma
I feel like turbolasers would be just spicier plasma
elfin crane
yeah
The threads on r/whowouldwin are interesting though. some of them are well thought out
versed helm
Generally Star Wars is pretty ridiculously overpowered compared to most sci-if universes
versed helm
Mass Effect gets trounced by pretty much everyone else though
Like, even the UNSC would make easy work of the Reapers because of the tech difference
The funny thing is
UNSC soldiers still fire modern ammunition
And because of how Mass Effect weapons work, with heat sinks and all that, they're just as effective
Though personal shields are more of a thing in Mass Effect. Just not as good as their limited usage in Halo.
short oasis
I heard you have thermal clips
short oasis
I like how there were mostly more advances in extending our capabilities than in killing people
the Haloverse can be pretty dark but that's actually a really hopeful future
glass pewter
In all fairness the Covenant just kinda swunced in
obsidian dust
Doesn't doom use plasma bullets? Why not humans in Halo, seeing they use similar tech
short oasis
Doom uses all kinds of things
obsidian dust
Covenant was like "watch me swooce right in"
short oasis
it's a toybox setting
elfin crane
doom has a bit of everything
short oasis
the BFG has never been clearly defined AFAIK and it's on purpose
you don't need to know what it is, it shoots green stuff and it kills real good
elfin crane
halo gotta one of them
short oasis
yeah come to think of it
glass pewter
Humans did start integrating covenant and forerunner tech after the war
If Halo 5 is any indication
elfin crane
Infinity and one class of cruiser
glass pewter
And in weaponry
There's a number of MA5 variants that use kinetic forerunner type rounds and covenant sights.
short oasis
eh
I know they reversed that whole "multiplayer isn't canon" thing but I'd still call that stuff deuterocanonical at best
much like how there are "real" figures in Warzone but they're not really there because it's a simulation
vague scroll
The multiplayer in Halo starting with Halo 4 is all canonical, however, thee are still parts that are not. Some stuff are simply too outlandish.
And as you said, it’s not one to one either as canon. They’re still all just well-designed simulations.
versed helm
I'd like to see a multiplayer that goes with the story in one game. Imagine something like planetside but in the halo universe. Spartans would be similar to MAXs
agile lotus
So, an MMO, essentially.
It would be nice to see a Halo game where you spend the most of it fighting Insurrectionists.
Or even as some Covenant species like T’vaoans or Sangheili. Mgalekgolo, even.
versed helm
Or Rising Storm 2 where certain classes are limited. You pick marine, Spartan or ODST and then go into matchmaking
agile lotus
Marine VS Spartan
agile lotus
I just want a spin-off where we play as a T’vaoan.
I believe they’re about as close of an equal to ODSTs.
I mean, have you seen those guys move?
versed helm
Not yet
I think a planetside style spinoff would be cool though. It would mostly be marines, ODSTs, and Spartans vs jackals, elites, and brutes
mystic trail
Here's a little tidbit: Most of Reach was glassed. That's the keyword: most
If we ever saw a spinoff of Reach, it could be about making it to these unglassed regions, like the Highlands.
carmine sleet
Highlands was glassed, we just didn't see that in Reach because it was a multiplayer map and having it be glassed while we're playing on it would've made no sense
dim imp
No reason for the covies to not glass it
mystic trail
Maybe, until the PoA escaped. Besides, we only saw Ezpoz throughout the game
radiant sphinx
“Let’s glass this specific spot in a forest several times”
mystic trail
And the Highlands is a vast mountain range. I understand glassing can take out a large area, but if the Covies sent an entire fleet after the PoA, then it would of left Reach somewhat habitable
radiant sphinx
Speaking of glassing, was the planet seen out the window on the map Condemned Reach? I didn’t realize how extensive glassing could be in some areas. Looks like straight lava
carmine sleet
There were multiple fleets at Reach
dim imp
They weren't glassing specific spots but the whole planet
Unlike in Halo 3 where they only glass around Kenya to stop the flood
mystic trail
No respect for the excavation beams in ODST? How rude.
subtle depot
That’s still the same general are though and agin for a specific purpose
radiant sphinx
I’d love to learn more about the supposed concentration of Forerunner artifacts throughout Reach and Sorvad’s “Latchkey” discovery. Was he referring to the Forerunner ship Halsey was excavating and the data it contained?
carmine sleet
Most likely
mystic trail
It would seem so. You know, coordinates and all
carmine sleet
It would be nice to learn more about the ship
radiant sphinx
^
mystic trail
Chips Dubbo and Stacker have like 7 identical twins
With the same personality
obsidian thistle
Well there was another group who survived Alpha Halo that we have no idea how they survived.
So the Chips and Stacker from Alpha Halo musta survived though that.
remote spruce
343i pls giv lore on that
mystic trail
I was joking about the whole twins thing, but my guess is that there was a Forerunner spacecraft left on I04, and Stacker and Dubbo flew away on that
last anchor
Quantum entanglement teleportation
versed helm
What if they try to do something similar to Metal Gear and try to make clones of Master Chief
hidden blade
Just finished listening to the Halo: First Strike book
Absolutely amazing. Don’t know where else to talk about it, but this channel. If no one minds.
carmine sleet
@versed helm Clones in Halo don't work the same as those in Metal Gear. They won't have clones of Chief becoming a plotline
This is the channel to talk about First Strike
hidden blade
The ending had me crying smh
So many unsung heroes of the Halo universe that aren’t shown in the games
versed helm
Lots of underrated ones
carmine sleet
Indeed, that's the beauty of Halo lore, so many heroes are out there, just they've not been in the games
hidden blade
Worst deaths were probably Pulaski and Locklear
And then the sacrifice at the end of course
carmine sleet
Don't worry about it
versed helm
Why is ONI at the center of most conspiracies?
hidden blade
Because they don’t get in trouble
carmine sleet
Because ONI are the MI6 equivalent of the Halo universe for the UNSC
versed helm
I'd say the CIA equivalent
carmine sleet
MI6 is the British equivalent of the CIA
hidden blade
I wish Chief would have talked to GySgt. Johnson about the data on his immunity.
I was disappointed that Chief handled it on his own.
gilded mason
Johnson is not actually immune.
gilded mason
He is not
versed helm
Does ONI have any secret blacksites?
hidden blade
The base under Reach?
versed helm
That literally reminded me of Area 51 lol
I'm curious if there's other alien species that haven't been discovered yet in the halo universe
mystic trail
No one remembers the first casualty of the war, a space trucker :(
versed helm
I'd like to see the UNSC make contact with one that's just taking their first steps into space
gilded mason
Considering the UNSC and Covenant worlds only occupy the Orion Arm of the galaxy, that’s a certainty
mystic trail
Kerbal Space Program 2
hidden blade
I’ve listened to Reach, The Flood, and First Strike. All of my Halo knowledge is from those 3 books and the games. So most of my answers will pertain to what I know from that
versed helm
Or another giant empire that's unaware of the Covenant or UNSC
hidden blade
The Yuuzhon Vong
gloomy condor
A secret Uggnoy Empire
versed helm
The galaxy is huge. There's potential for other empires to exist and possibly may never make contact with humanity, anything forerunner, or Covenant
hidden blade
I have a question
If I’ve listened to Fall of Reach, The Flood, and First Strike, what should I listen to next?
versed helm
Ghosts of Onyx
gilded mason
I suppose he next step would be Ghost of Onyx
Since all of those books are connected
hidden blade
Yeah I started that but it’s a different voice actor. :/
Got immediately pulled out
The guy that read the first three books had such a good voice
Is anyone familiar with who I’m talking about?
versed helm
Are there any species in the halo universe that are theorized to be from a different galaxy?
carmine sleet
No
last anchor
Someone thought the Flood might be but that was later proven false
dim imp
We know that some precursors fleed the milky way but that's all about other galaxies
edgy heron
How did the Arbiter not get infected when he and Master Chief got caught by the super flood tentacle monster and the air was full of flood spores
Chief had a filter, Arbiter didn' t to my knowledge
gilded mason
I imagine because the Gravemind actively did not want them infected.
gilded mason
Or maybe Thel's energy shields protected him against it, I dunno.
Though I'm not sure if shields can work like that
last anchor
I dont think direct contact with the Gravemind itself causes infection
Its a metastabalized FSC construct
gilded mason
It's the spores in the room that are the main issue.
edgy heron
That's what I'm saying, the Gravemind was giving off a ton of spores
last anchor
Was it? I didnt see any in the original cutscene nor the replacement
edgy heron
I'd imagine they wouldn't be able to even breathe without a filter
Idk, I assume he gives off a bunch of flood spores
Aren't they supposed to be microscopic
last anchor
Micro to macro, they can actually cluster into groups large enough to be seen
stoic hamlet
I’m pretty sure flood spores don’t explicitly infect you, but they make it easier to be infected
gilded mason
I think I rmemeber somebody getting infected from spores in Mona Lisa.
last anchor
I think "spores" mean infection forms.
At least, thats how Spark explained it in CE
Wait no
"The smaller creatures produce spores that cause a host to mutate. The mutated host then produces more spores."
Or something like that
dim imp
There is "spore" and there is "pod"
Spore is a small cluster of flood super cell. They can indeed infect you by inhaliting them.
Pods are also known as infection forms, the little popcorn flood.
And you can actually be infected by just being in contact with flood, no matter how.
I think Arbiter didn't get infected because the gravemind is able to control every flood biomass, those he can prevent the infection of the arbiter
humble yacht
Spores are generally not clusters of cells but rather single haploid cells
Pretty sure that holds true for the Flood
elfin crane
I’d love to see a cinematic or something of the flood during their war with the forerunners. I read descriptions of their power but I want to SEE it
dim imp
From halopedia (https://www.halopedia.org/Flood) :
Spores are minuscule airborne Flood forms that serve to spread infection and suffocate potential hosts who inhale them.
elfin crane
During the one halo 3 mission on earth when the flood first arrive, and the air is dense and there’s particles in the air, I wonder if those are spores 🤔
dim imp
It should be, however no one seems to care about those spore
It's the same in Sacred Icon in Halo 2, Arby just walks in a hallway infested with spores
humble yacht
Maybe his shielding protected him
@elfin crane yes they were spores
In biology, yeast cells undergo sporulation as a type of reproduction method in response to lack of nutrients. When you put a yeast spores in nutrient-rich environment, they activate and combine into a full yeast cell
dim imp
His shielding, it could yes, but what when flood combat forms just take his shield out ?
humble yacht
I imagine the Flood spores function similar to this
dim imp
I don't think that flood spores behave the same as mushroom spores
Flood spores is use at the same time for the infection but also for the flood to "make the atmosphere more bearable" when they control an area
Mushroom spores are just used for reproduction (and can infect some hosts, that's true)
humble yacht
@dim imp i did say yeast cells, not fungi cells
@last anchor Flood spores are like prepackaged FSC that can safely travel through air until getting into something where they can divide
last anchor
Basically yeah.
humble yacht
Much like real life spores
dim imp
What is yeast ? I never heard it before
Maybe because I'm a french lil dude
dim imp
Ah I see now
humble yacht
surely you've heard of yeast
dim imp
I know it as "levure" in french
humble yacht
there you go
last anchor
Fermentation
dim imp
Every one like sugar
subtle depot
I’m a way it does consume sugar. Most energy is based off atp which is mainly glucose so there you go
last anchor
I think it consumes biomass, but most biomass involves ATP sooo
Technically, its true
humble yacht
Well
In earthly eukaryotes, ATP mostly comes from glycolysis, the process of breaking down sugarss
However, there are other ways to get energy from the cell, by breaking down proteins, even fats
Whether Flood cells even function through these processes is unknown
last anchor
They most certainly dont since flood forms dont, you know, eat as we do
humble yacht
It's interesting to think how the Flood "eats"
dim imp
They use the host energy to sustain themselves I think
humble yacht
The gravemind loves to call things "food", but the way the Flood spreads is by converting other cells into FSC
So rather than eating, it's more transforming
infecting
transfecting, even
versed helm
You've gotta wonder how long it takes raw FSC material to die without the presence of any more sophisticated nervous networks.
humble yacht
I think
After enough time
FSCs just become spores
and wait for a nutrient rich environment
versed helm
I mean, they must die at some point. Otherwise there'd be flood spores lying in wait all over the galaxy.
humble yacht
Spores can last a long time with no nutrients
versed helm
I'm not saying it's anything less than tens of thousands of years, though.
humble yacht
That why the Forerunners burned away all the flood leftovers
dim imp
Remember that flood can hibernate
versed helm
I mean, with 100% reliability?
I'm not entirely sure I buy that.
Not hibernation, burning away.
versed helm
How exactly did the Forerunner go about clearing away the rest of the Flood?
dim imp
Halo array ?
versed helm
Just sentinels, hopping around for thousands of years and taking advantage of the presumably disarrayed collections of FSC that carried on?
Halo array only scrambles nervous systems.
Anything single-cellular or alive in a non-linear sense survives.
dim imp
But also to imprison them
gaunt karma
don't Flood continually consume biomass and that's why they need to infect others? like, aren't they constantly decaying?
dim imp
Or... were they ?
gaunt karma
it wasn't to imprison them, I'm pretty sure it was just for research
dim imp
Yeah I think you're right
gaunt karma
Forerunners trying to find out a way if they can cure the Flood
versed helm
Why would you want to imprison Flood somewhere they weren't already, tbh
gaunt karma
which they couldn't, so they just resorted to Halo arrays but kept some Flood there just in case
gaunt karma
no
versed helm
I think that's too much of a cut-and-dry way of looking at it xD
gaunt karma
Precursors wanted to protect everything, Flood is Precursor dust that has become corrupted
versed helm
not quite
dim imp
Our urge to create is immutable; we must create. But the beings we create shall never again reach out in strength against us. All that is created will suffer. All will be born in suffering, endless grayness shall be their lot. All creation will tailor to failure and pain, that never again shall the offspring of the eternal Fount rise up against their creators. Listen to the silence. Ten million years of deep silence. And now, whimpers and cries; not of birth. That is what we bring: a great crushing weight to press down youth and hope. No more will. No more freedom. Nothing new but agonizing death and never good shall come of it. We are the last of those who gave you breath and form, millions of years ago. We are the last of those your kind defied and ruthlessly destroyed. We are the last Precursors. And now we are legion.
From halopedia
humble yacht
Yes
gaunt karma
I thought they turned themselves to dust to contain themselves then over hundreds of thousands of years became corrupted?
humble yacht
with hopes that they could reconstitute physical forms in the future
But over time they went crazy
and mutated
versed helm
Huh. I guess it's a good theory that the solute can target and destroy the FSC.
dim imp
What is "the solute" ?
gaunt karma
right, they turned themselves to dust so they could rebuild themselves, but over a very long time became corrupted/mutated and turned into the Flood
versed helm
It seems to be a very tenacious nano-compound of some kind, to be able to work with the efficiency it did.
humble yacht
More like, the solute dissolves leftover dead biomass
gaunt karma
what was that quote even from? :o
dim imp
From a gravemind
humble yacht
Preventing formation of miasma after the halo effect
gaunt karma
where specifically
humble yacht
I'm sure some surfaces in the galaxy were left with inert flood spores all over them, like certain areas of Installation 07
versed helm
Also, just because the Flood sees itself as Precursor, doesn't mean it is.
dim imp
https://www.halopedia.org/Flood
— The Gravemind to Catalog in the endgame of the Forerunner-Flood war.
gaunt karma
what Grim said
The Precursors before weren't like that, but because they became corrupted and became the Flood, the Flood now views the galaxy in that way
humble yacht
I preferred the Flood before their connection to the Precursors
gaunt karma
the true Precursors, though they aren't alive (as far as we know), still believe in the Mantle of Responsibility
I like the connection cause it means the Precursors got back at the Forerunners
humble yacht
I liked it when the Flood was just a misunderstood organism trying to survive (at the cost of everything else)
dim imp
Some precursors fled the milky way
versed helm
I've always viewed The Flood as related to the precursors, but also something else.
I kinda personally entertain the theory that the physically detached and persistent consciousness of the Gravemind is some kind of horrific slipspace entity. Something a little esoteric.
dim imp
They are some precursors alive, maybe unaware of what is happening in the milky way
versed helm
Though it's probably just down to neural physics. The living universe, pan-psychism and all that jazz.
dim imp
If only the forerunners weren't little girls that wanted all the attention from their master, nothing would be wrong
versed helm
That's a bold statement.
humble yacht
A better analogy would be that the Forerunners were the older sibling and jealous of the new baby getting all the inheritance
gaunt karma
ye
versed helm
I prefer to think the Forerunners were arrogant enough to think they could do it better
humble yacht
that too
versed helm
They might have been right, considering the kinda anarchical nature of the Precursors
dim imp
Forerunners are the true villain confirmed
gaunt karma
so far to my brain the only good Forerunner was the Librarian
though I haven't read everything
so
humble yacht
Forerunner revolt against Precursors parallels Lucifer's rebellion
versed helm
Bro-stellar tho
gaunt karma
I don't entirely know who Born-Stellar is
versed helm
Ay
humble yacht
Born-Stellar Made Everlasting was the Iso-Didact
humble yacht
basically Didact version 2.0
dim imp
Is there any flood outbreak left that we know ?
dim imp
Weren't they contained after the destruction of the proto-gravemind ?
versed helm
And the UNSC seems to keep running into them as well
humble yacht
@dim imp yes
dim imp
So there isn't any flood outbreak on the ark
humble yacht
@versed helm i think those teams and protocols are there for preventive measures
versed helm
But no big outbreaks yet
humble yacht
The outbreak on the ark is still there
versed helm
Field Manual makes it pretty explicit the UNSC has had Flood contact post-2552
humble yacht
it's just contained
versed helm
But they've just handled it efficiently
Probably eggheads going into a containment facility, getting themselves infected
And the S-IVs just carved the infection up
dim imp
Even if the flood is the main villain, I somehow want it to win and conquer the galaxy
dim imp
See how the outbreak on 05 wasn't that big but the gravemind was still a pain for everyone and hard to destroy
Imagine if it covers an entire planet
versed helm
NOVA bomb intensifies
humble yacht
@versed helm so looking up the Flood's history, it doesn't state that Spartan IV containment teams ever encountered Flood; rather, they were deployed to areas where Flood potentially existed
versed helm
I'll ver-batum read to you some quotes from the Field Manual, if you so desire.
dim imp
NOVA bomb, the bomb that destroyed an entire planet by accident ?
humble yacht
go ahead
versed helm
Quote from Thorne;
"The Flood are absolutely bad news. Those who volunteer to go up against the parasites are the bravest Spartans I know, and I've met some real heroes. You've never heard of a major Flood outbreak sine the war because of what they do, not because the ugly suckers haven't broken out of their cages since then."
humble yacht
Hm
gilded mason
haven't broken out of their cages since then
That feels contradictory to what he wrote just before.
versed helm
In case you don't know, Thorne and Grant have disambiguations throughout the Manual where they comment on stuff. But I see that as pretty definitive.
gilded mason
Unless by cage, he just means the area in general.
gaunt karma
not, they're saying that they are contained next to the cage
they HAVE broken out, but the Spartan teams have contained them
and put them back in
humble yacht
or just destroyed them
versed helm
I now have the mental image of Spartans kicking carrier forms into small rooms and hurriedly locking the door in a state of panic.
Just like "Get in there - go go go"
humble yacht
Popcorn Wrangler
versed helm
Though honestly
The fact that the Forerunners intentionally kept some Flood alive must indicate they know for sure that there's more coming.
You don't leave the tools to prepare for something that's extinct
gilded mason
Didn't they leave the galaxy for some undetermined amount of time?
versed helm
Precisely.
humble yacht
I think they were preparing for a return, not necessarily only extra galactic though
dim imp
When I was young I was afraid of carrier form, they are so weird and ugly
stoic hamlet
But they just wanna hug you and be your friend! D:
stoic hamlet
He was just so happy to finally have a friend
versed helm
reminds me of those crawlers in Dead Space 2
-shudders-
i'll never forget walking into that nursery. kinda want a super-gritty version of halo like that
frontier of flood and stuff
stoic hamlet
Regular lore accurate Covenant would kinda be that tbh
You don’t even need the flood per se
versed helm
when i say gritty, i mean dark and dissonant
something only the flood located on forerunner installations can provide
remote spruce
the whole "grunts are carrier forms" thing can still be canon right?
versed helm
was it ever not?
dim imp
Weak beings would be transformed into flood carrier form yes
But every combat form can become a carrier form if needed
rare fox
doesn't every combat form turn into an infection form after the body degrades for a bit
er
carrier form
dim imp
They become a carrier form
versed helm
something like that
stone grail
Where the face
dim imp
Oof
versed helm
i dont partake in western illustrated media
stone grail
Okay this was all I could get. I wasn’t sure which sources to trust. I’ve personally seen this one
thorn valley
weebs yikeroonis
stone grail
Wasn’t trying to be edgy
versed helm
@thorn valley i illustrate manga professionally, pardon me for having a job
thorn valley
nice troll
pseudo ether
Schoolgirl chief comic when? 😂
versed helm
@thorn valley if only it was
thorn valley
it is no way this cant be
mystic trail
...
wise galleon
You don't say...
versed helm
@pseudo ether i'll make it happen, something like a 4koma
nothin fancy, but im gonna do it
you've inspired me
pseudo ether
😂 I'll send you 2 bucks through PayPal if you actually make such a comic
versed helm
👀
i just thought of tossing emile in there as well
and i know the perfect way to do it. k, bye see you later when i have something
twilit mulch
And The Arbiter Right?
versed helm
wouldnt work with the arbiter
thorny wyvern
@subtle depot but one of H5's blue team members was killed in the book they were introduced in.
versed helm
Chief's face in Collateral Damage is perfect.
thorny wyvern
You said they were never killed, they were just separated from the chief. But one was outright killed.
versed helm
Looks like a scary, intense dude.
thorny wyvern
So 343 was like "hey, neat character. But we disagree, they didn't die"
versed helm
are you referring to Sam?
unique rune
Are we talking about Linda or Sam here?
versed helm
linda was never actually dead tbh
near-death, sure
but she wasnt technically deceased
due to how cryostasis works
twilit mulch
Sam died due to breach in his suit. He had to stay back behind.
thorny wyvern
Linda. It literally says her vitals flatline and she goes limp
Sam isn't in H5 so that's fine
And Kelly/Fred get separated
But Linda is described as dying. She flatlines and Chief honors her death
Places her dead hand across her chest and gives a goodbye
gilded mason
Are you trying to say 343 were the ones that said she didn't die?
thorny wyvern
? I'm just trying to figure out how she's alive in H5
gilded mason
She is revived in First Strike.
thorny wyvern
Kk
gilded mason
Under Bungie
thorny wyvern
It's been ages since I read that book. I read FoR more recently
I don't care about the company lol. Not everything is a comparative debate about handling the franchise
I'm just trying to see how she's still alive
Beat H5 for the first time and there's no explanation as to how Blue team reassembles. Wasn't sure what all the books explained.
versed helm
she was placed in cryo very soon after her flatline but before cellular degeneration
last anchor
And cryo straight up stops all biological process's
last anchor
And then lobbed into space to orbit 04 till it blew up and Chief found her.
Then she was revitalized by Halsey because UNSC medicine is freaking good and Halsey is a god-teir surgeon Along with bloody everything else
And because Spartan.
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They just plugged her in
rose matrix
I mean, bungie wrote Fall of Reach then contradicted their own canon with the game
queen karma
bungie never wrote it
stoic hamlet
*Most of bungie did
versed helm
True hero
versed helm
I got the meaning xD
stoic hamlet
Felt I had to clarify, some people don’t get the meaning
rocky vector
Can someone help me with the books timeline? I think Fall of Reach is first then The flood right? Idk. Can someone help me? That would be great
gilded mason
Like, when the books first got released?
rocky vector
Yes. That would be helpful. Unless there is a better way I should read the books?
queen karma
The first 3 are beautiful, they add so much lore
versed helm
Nylund. The daddy of modern Halo lore.
With a little tonal help from his pal Deitz
And a bit of killer work from Staten
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The Trio of Godly Writers
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Would you guys like to see an open world Halo?
quick bear
I'm hesitant to ask for that. It would be cool AF to be able to literally drive around a halo ring, but I think dedicating resources to that could compromise the game