At least. But post war used as well
#lore-and-universe
fair hazel
versed helm
Which because Forward Unto Dawn, apparently was a thing in 2526.
gaunt karma
oh, er, the order humanity encountered the different races of the Covenant, were brutes or elites first?
fair hazel
Huragok.
versed helm
Though I STEADFASTLY refuse to believe that any of the nonsense in Forward Unto Dawn is visually canon.
fair hazel
Kig-yar
remote spruce
wait i thought they used MA5Cs
fair hazel
Might be just production stuff
gaunt karma
so we saw Huragok, then Kig-yar, then Jiralhanae, then Grunts, then Elites?
fair hazel
Honestly unsc tech and logistics and stuff is pretty cool and awesome
I forgot if drones then elites
gaunt karma
I wanna know when humanity first encountered hunters
fair hazel
Or elites then drones
gaunt karma
that must've been fun
versed helm
Huragok and Kig-yar happened when Johnson and Byrne encountered them on that freighter, right?
inland vessel
I find it amusing that out of all the languages the only one that has been fully translated with no inconsistency is a form Forerunner
versed helm
Then Jiralhanae and grunts dropped in on Harvest to demand the planet.
inland vessel
I’m aware of the Elite/Covenant one however there are a few inconsistencies in the language that has been translated
gaunt karma
oh, soaking of Forward Unto Dawn
speaking
phone please
the elite next to the statue, was that an accurate size depiction? it always looked a little big to me
when the elite walks up and slices through the statue with an energy sword
inland vessel
They are pretty large
gaunt karma
I know they are, but that statue seemed like a very big statue
I might just be remembering wrong
remote spruce
translate Hunter language /s
versed helm
@gaunt karma It was slightly wonky CGI.
"Slightly wonky CGI" should be FUD's subtitle.
gaunt karma
I was thinking it was
versed helm
But elites can be freakin' HUGE too.
gaunt karma
ye
I like the intro of the Covenant in that film
like, the general feeling of it
or series/film
versed helm
Like, utter pandemonium, confusion and terror?
versed helm
I agree.
remote spruce
all we know about Hunters is rawr variants
versed helm
If I was in charge of depicting the Covenant war in a film, I'd go all-out on the shock factor.
Horrific plasma injuries, radiation sickness, chaos. A total feeling of being outmatched and unable to fight back.
gaunt karma
and I would love every bit of it
versed helm
Woo
gaunt karma
oh, a line l keep thinking of from Johnson in Halo 2
the Scarab, "we've all run the simulations. They're tough, but they ain't invincible..."
the simulations part
inland vessel
Probably just combat sims
gaunt karma
would that apply to most Covenant things? like how Mickey could fly the Phantom in ODST?
agile lotus
It might be odd word choice, but simulation doesn’t always equate to digital simulation.
gaunt karma
I also mean for things like using the alien tech
I know, I didn't mean like that :p
ah, also Johnson piloting the Scarab in Halo 2
inland vessel
Well besides one or two cov tech is fairly simple to use
gaunt karma
hmm
inland vessel
However vehicles are where things are different
gaunt karma
a Wraith?
man it is getting late
sleep requires my body
but Halo
I'll sleep, will probably have more questions tomorrow about random things
o/
radiant sphinx
I don't think I've ever dreamt about anything Halo related, but last night I had a ~nightmare that the Covenant had made its way to Earth (or maybe I was on Reach?). Not like a big invasion, but I was in a convenience store when an elite officer massacred the clerk and surveyed the store as I hid under a shelf. The feeling after was so strange because I knew in subconscious hindsight what was happening, but had no idea what to do. Everything seemed futile.
versed helm
That's exactly the sort of emotions anything depicting the Covenant war from a human perspective should strive to recreate.
radiant sphinx
That's also how I felt playing Reach for the first time when I was 10. Hearing the farmer say "something in the fields killed his son" on the first mission and the sudden realization Reach was doomed after New Alexandria was glassed felt so immersive.
wise gazelle
Cool nightmare
strong sage
@versed helm wait there’s a discord group for halopedia fam? I didn’t know that since im really hungry for Halo lore ;-;
versed helm
It's on the front page
In the main bit of text above the navigation bit
Killer Orca introduced me to it a few days ago
strong sage
@gaunt karma i imagined the same thing , who knows there might be a gamemode in infinite called “corrupter”. I always got chilled in meh spines reading that like how scary it can be
But people complainted that it is way to overkill and bla bla that unsc uses wmds on a single flood spartan
@versed helm thanks fam much appreciated it ^~^
versed helm
Speaking of lore, are there any codex entries that you can find in Halo 5's campaign?
I need to get H5
Nah
Though everyone in the lore community is nagging 343 for it in Infinite
Here's hoping
remote spruce
Phoenix Logs 2
remote spruce
No, but many fans like it due to that similarity
versed helm
How old is Master Chief?
remote spruce
40s
versed helm
The games never state his age or any Spartan for that matter
he was born in 2511
I think Spartans could live for at least 200 years or more
remote spruce
Oof Spartan III ages
stoic hamlet
The only one I have issue with is carter
remote spruce
Shout out to Carter
stoic hamlet
Everyone else is more or less fine
But carter......he should be dead on the operating table
There’s no reason for him to be so old anyways
remote spruce
There is from a real world standpoint
stoic hamlet
Everyone else is more or less accurate to Ghosts except him
versed helm
Aren't the IIIs just upgraded ODSTs?
stoic hamlet
No @versed helm
They’re the same as II’s
Augmentation wise, with Gamma being stronger and more durable
remote spruce
Simply his leader role in the story necessitates older
stoic hamlet
I don’t think so, myself. There’s no reason he needs to be that old
remote spruce
At the same time, they shouldn't have done that
But hey Carter's commander rank is pointless anyway
versed helm
How many active Spartan IIs are there as of 2559?
remote spruce
A dozen+
stoic hamlet
Jun, Emile are both Alpha, and would have followed him without issue. Kat and B-312 would also follow him without issue, and Jorge follows orders because he’s a II.
Carters age has nothing to do with leadership.
There’s no reason they can’t roll his age back. It wouldn’t affect anything
remote spruce
Carter's rank shouldn't have been that high in the first place
stoic hamlet
Agreed
None of them should have been that high
Well, Emile, Jorge and Jun are fine
remote spruce
But I do think the age is due to Bungie wanting to justify the rank
Like 19 year old Noble Six and Kat was probably already pushing things
stoic hamlet
That argument falls apart with Jorge.
But he’s a CWO
You could argue he doesn’t have leadership criteria, but then there’s no reason you can’t say that Carter displayed above average leadership, and was thus given a higher rank
remote spruce
Why was Jorge even in Noble,
Actually why even have IIIs, wouldn't IIs have worked (even if more canon breaking, not like they cared)
stoic hamlet
Bungee never made the distinction of what they were
343 had to work with that was given to them
Which was their high numbers. Which thankfully work as III’s
remote spruce
Oh well, at least Bungie's retcon of Mark V's intro year was good
2551 instead of 2552 resonates better for me, somehow
stoic hamlet
And I don’t mind the distinction now. Mind you, the whole “CAT-2” thing is dumb and IMO doesn’t actually mean anything/there’s no difference between them and regular III’s but Kurt needed some way to get Ackerson to pull III’s and that was it.
And yeah agreed. 2551 works much better.
remote spruce
I think a better way would have been to make it that Kurt takes the best of the best, leaving open slots for potential washouts
No need for Meow-2
stoic hamlet
That doesn’t feel right to me. I don’t think he’d make that distinction. He didn’t seem the type to single out his recruits like that.
“These (x number of candidates) are better, let’s give them special armour and remove them from the companies, that’ll foster team work, definitely.”
remote spruce
Hmm, good point, Kurt cared about everyone
versed helm
I'd like to see a Spartan II go rogue and fight against the UNSC
remote spruce
The Randall Adventures when : p
last anchor
Pretty sure Soren may actually be dead dead but
stoic hamlet
That’s what I meant yeah, he’s dead
remote spruce
I still wonder to this day, who wrote the Reach Radio stuff?
Like that Beta Red stuff was cool, along with the other stories
stoic hamlet
Oh you meant who specifically, as in a single person
remote spruce
Though I have heard of Frankie doing some stuff for Reach
stoic hamlet
I think they kept the lore in check
remote spruce
Yes single person
stoic hamlet
Maybe helped with the marketing?
remote spruce
Possibly
last anchor
Wouldn't surprise me
remote spruce
They did the map pack lore
stoic hamlet
Because the Deliver Hope, and Birth of a Spartan trailers have Noble with their company tags as well as their numbers, unlike in game
remote spruce
But like the radio stuff, who did that, because it's technically in game right?
remote spruce
It feels different from the game mainly in the fact that it didn't retcon thingys
stoic hamlet
I wonder if 343 wrote them?
There were definitely retcons, technically. Just from where they were placed and were heard
last anchor
We dont have real dates on them do we?
We only ever hear them on maps I think...right?
stoic hamlet
And some campaign levels
remote spruce
I remember a Bungie writer (not from Halo) thinking that Robert Mclees wrote them, but that's just speculation
stoic hamlet
It could have been someone from either company I suppose.
remote spruce
Yeah
when in doubt it's Frankie
last anchor
I feel McLees in it honestly but thats just my thoughts
versed helm
Do you guys think Blue Team will return in Infinite?
remote spruce
Honestly no
versed helm
Why not?
versed helm
I think they should be there
remote spruce
Same
versed helm
I like the conversations between them
last anchor
Maybe not play with them but have them be in more
versed helm
Just hope Infinite is rated M
last anchor
And let each one have their chance to shine.
I want Fred to stab. Kelly to be fast. And Linda to noscope with such precision it makes MLG nerds cry
stoic hamlet
I love Fred’s skill with knives was Never a thing in the EU until fans made it a thing
strong sage
Yeah i always wondered why Jorge is with Noble team
stoic hamlet
He’s apparently an attaché
But I guess Red Echo and Gauntlet didn’t need him
because they’re obviously better
last anchor
Actually, it was a thing in Nylunds work.
strong sage
Like uh a splinter red team?
last anchor
That was his thing till 343 decided he was the secondary leader
Fred was the knife guy
stoic hamlet
Oh there should have been a comma there, sorry, lol
strong sage
Ahhhh that explains xD
stoic hamlet
Fred had one scene where he balances a knife on his finger and that’s it from what I recall. He never actually displayed any particular affinity towards them.
strong sage
I remembered watching the package with Fred said “the journey ends here” xd
stoic hamlet
Pretty sure that’s the first time he’s ever actually used a knife in combat that we’ve seen. That scene.
Which I find utterly hilarious
stoic hamlet
Those visuals are non canon, of course
strong sage
True xD
stoic hamlet
Shame
strong sage
But the slow mo scene thou
stoic hamlet
Huh, the bot deleted my comment
strong sage
Kinda reminds me of “Spartan time”
stoic hamlet
I didn’t even swear
last anchor
Also, its mentioned in First STrike that hes the best with knives
And he can balance one on his finger like a monster
He will always be the knife buy
guy
stoic hamlet
I’ll need to check
I remember him balancing the knife but that’s it
He never actually used it
IIRC
strong sage
Now that reminds , who do you think ish teh Most beautiful gal in spartan 2? xd
Sorry for the random question
last anchor
Kelly. Without a doubt.
strong sage
My money is on uhh Naomi teehee
stoic hamlet
Yis. Linda is bestgirl
paper lava
No love for Lucy.
strong sage
Linda is the sniper babe right? xd
last anchor
Aye
remote spruce
John x Linda
stoic hamlet
OTP
wispy bough
Stop being weird.
stoic hamlet
Agree
last anchor
Snerk
stoic hamlet
We know, we’re not serious. Though there is sort of precedent John seemed to care for Linda moreso than others, and vice versa
Not romantically, of course
versed helm
i would hope not
remote spruce
Autumn and the Reach docking bay is the real shipping
Because they were shipping stuff, or maybe not wait
paper lava
Chips Dubbo x Perez
versed helm
Master Chief vs Darth Maul on Naboo, who wins?
paper lava
Who's armed with what?
versed helm
Chief has an energy sword and Maul has his double bladed lightsaber
Duel of the fates starts playing as Maul ignites his lightsaber
paper lava
Probably Maul
versed helm
Chief would be accompanied by the Arbiter
versed helm
But what if chief awakened his HIDDEN FORERUNNER FORCE POWERS?
Halofollowing intensifies
last anchor
I would be fine with that IMO. Legitimately
versed helm
Tbh, I assumed that the "force powers" were, y'know, part of the Didact's equipment. Something his combat skin was doing, not actually him.
Probably grav fields.
paper lava
The last thing I want to see is Master Chief being any more of a chosen one.
Enough of that in the story already.
The best part about the Chief was he had to survive to earn his title. If they pulled some superhero magic I don't know how people would receive that.
strong sage
Sooo after rereading halo things at reddit , i wondered what is the relationship between the washouts and the active duty spartans? Like do John and the rest of em still see Musa and Serin still part of their family? Nd has it ever shown that they still interact with each other
versed helm
One would imagine so.
It would be a NOT VERY NICE (you get that bot?) thing to do just to stop seeing them as part of the Spartan family after training and growing up with them, just because the implants messed up.
And I could've sworn there was lore somewhere about Chief having personal correspondence with one of them.
strong sage
Ehhh u referring that to me fam? ;-;
Ahhhhh i seee
And the Spartan 4 knows that Musa is a former Spartan 2 right?
versed helm
Instead of not very nice, I first called it a d*ck move, then a d-uchebag thing to do
The bot liked neither of those.
strong sage
I thought the first one was point towards at me fam xD hahah
versed helm
I believe it's been mentioned that Musa was a former Spartan 2, knowledge given from the perspective of Spartan 4 characters.
I am not 100% certain on that, but I see no reason to hide the fact.
strong sage
That really explain lot of things thanks fam much appreciated it
And oh oh oh wait
Do Spartan 4 uses Oly oly oxen free and and as well as spartan 2 sign language
*?
Sorry for asking too much questions fam ;-;
versed helm
They've never been depicted as doing so.
That much was, I imagine, something of a secret amongst the S-II recruits. Something they used among themselves and kept from superior's knowledge.
strong sage
I guess that is true i believe it is exclusive for the II only but i heard that some of them trained the IV so who knows they might shared it and train them about it
versed helm
Well, as Fred said in H5G, it had been a really long time since even Blue Team had used the signal.
It doesn't seem particularly useful for S-IV recruits to have, especially since they're all from other branches and can work out their own signals, if needed.
fair hazel
They can be used to pressure things. In a vacuum. Use that to create a safe pressure field as wlll. Restraint enemies. Move push pull etc.
versed helm
Sure as hell a lot easier than taking a hostage by crashtackling them and sticking on a pair of carbon-fiber cuffs xD
strong sage
@fair hazel is uh constraint fields is uhhhh part of their armor?
And constraint field works on people with Armor or anyone/anything
versed helm
UNSC vs the First Order
The First Order has Starkiller Base
Ask yourself, is that really a fair fight?
Can't starkiller wipe out whole star systems?
Starkiller Base is pretty much the SW equivalent of a Halo ring...almost
That's a Forerunner-grade weapon system.
That doesn't operate on any realistic fundamental scientific principal that I know of.
What is it, just like a supersized blaster?
Pretty much. Its more or less a Dyson sphere
hasty geyser
Starkiller base isn't anything like a dyson sphere
It's a planet that can blow up other planets at lightyear ranges
versed helm
If you ask me, it's a silly idea. Like, even Halo rings make some sense - they emit waves of resonating neutrino-sized particles that scramble nervous-system functions.
What would happen is, a small UNSC ship manages to breach it's defenses and and marines, ODSTs and Spartans come in contact with tons of stormtroopers
Well, I mean, is stormtrooper armour rated to handle match-grade 7.62x51mm FMJ-AP ammunition?
Because if it can, you've got a pretty clear indication of who's going to win that fight.
UNSC armour ain't much chop against energy weapons. At least not during most of the Covenant war.
Then again, no armour that isn't energy shielded really is much chop against them, in Halo's universe.
Everyone in Starkiller Base is alerted that a "Resistance vessel" breached their defenses and launched an assault
Also, what are we meaning by a small UNSC ship?
Frigate
Like, does a postwar strident-class frigate serve your standards?
There would be a squadron of broadswords fighting off incoming TIE-Fighters
Marines and ODSTs would be on the ground fighting stormtroopers
Man, I'm having a hard time finding numbers relating to a strident's marine compliment.
Four pelicans is enough to serve, depending on internal configuration, anywhere between 40-80 battle-ready marines.
And that's all we know it has - four pelicans.
Isn't the UNSC Infinity about the size of a super star destroyer?
It's 5,694 meters long
And 1,031 meters tall
So you tell me
Darth Vader's star destroyer was around 19 miles long but it isn't the largest ship in the Star Wars universe. By looking at it, it looks like it could be a little bit shorter than the Infinity
So, back to the question of whether or not two platoons of UNSC infantry
With the support of 4 pelicans, each armed with a 70mm autocannon and anvil rocket pods
Each pelican potentially bringing 1 of any kind of ground support vehicle the UNSC uses
Could beat a starkiller base worth stormtroopers
With the support of whatever broadswords a strident might have, which may not be any against all the TIEs
Huh.
Y'know how we could do?
You tell me what comprises a single infantry squad of First Order stormtroopers.
They'd definitely pack a punch but it wouldn't be enough. You'd need something like one of the frigates from Halo 2 or 3
I'll tell you what I've theorized, based on the Halo Wars games, Ground Command, some outdated lore, some in-game observations and real life military structures a UNSC infantry squad probably consists of
And we should see how they stack up
carmine sleet
Post-war frigates are much better than those seen in Halo 2 and 3 @versed helm
versed helm
What about the ship that chased down the Prophet of Regret's carrier in Halo 2?
That was a... Stalwart class, right?
YES
I got it right for once.
So happy.
I always confuse Stalwarts and Charons.
Read up, if you wanna know
I'm gonna go to sleep
Disappointed that yet again I have failed to foist my theories about UNSC military tactics and composition on the Halo Discord
All I can picture hearing on the First Order's side is "Alert. Resistance forces have breached our defenses. Starkiller Base is under attack! I repeat. Starkiller Base is under attack!"
Brothers in arms intensifies as the UNSC flies in
For the First Order it'll be
https://youtu.be/YVCFe6HVLy4
Lol
That is an awesome bit of OST, not gonna lie
I am typically overly dismissive of Star Wars
But it never does have a bad soundtrack
Halo still better tho
versed helm
Considering that a Phantom is a similar size to a Pelican, and a Lich can carry a Phantom, as well as that a UNSC Frigate slip-drive can be carried and activated from a pelican, I believe it's probable that Liches have a limited capacity for splispace travel
Anyone have any further input for this?
carmine sleet
We see them go through Slipspace in Halo 4 and 5
Such as when Osiris is deployed on Sanghelios by a Swords of Sanghelios Lich
versed helm
Infinity vs CCS class. Who would win
fair hazel
Yes it’s built into their armour @strong sage
carmine sleet
@versed helm Infinity would blow a CCS out of space easily
carmine sleet
Infinity vs a CSO is a much more even fight
versed helm
Star Wars technology is about the same as Halo's
carmine sleet
A CSO is a supercarrier from Halo but ok
versed helm
My bad I was thinking about one separatist ships used during the clone wars lol
I think Infinity could hold it's ground against a lot of things, maybe even Forerunner as well
fair hazel
Not really battlefield sniper
versed helm
I'd like to see an enemy in Halo that uses corrosive attacks
Ooh yes
:|
I wish they done more with the fleets
this channel's been so off-topic lately
They wouldn't effect shields but if your shields do go down then they would burn through your armor pretty quickly
Wasn't there a Forerunner weapon capable of doing that type of damage? I believe it was used during the war with the Flood
gaunt karma
most forerunner weapons used just heat, didn't they? for combating Flood
superheated particle beams
or something
versed helm
I wonder why they didn't use fire
carmine sleet
Forerunner weapons like the ones seen in Halo 4 and 5 used hardlight projectiles
strong sage
Speaking of covenant super carriers , anyone knows how many of em they build? And are there still around?
versed helm
The Flood hates fire
carmine sleet
There's likely a bunch around but no numbers are known H4V0C
hasty geyser
Binary rifle fires "ionized particle beams containing jacketed antimatter particles"
versed helm
It would be awesome if Atriox's flagship was a super carrier
strong sage
Yeah i though Atriox’s elite faction ish a supie as well
@carmine sleet ahhh thanks fam , but i assume the elites are commanding tthem right most of em i mean rather than the brutes
hasty geyser
The Forerunners are utterly stupid in how advanced their tech is
strong sage
One fortress is enough to dominate us all 😂
hasty geyser
A Life Worker keyship would wreck everyone at current
Hell, the Guardians did wreck everyone
And they're the equivalent of mall cops for the Forerunners
hasty geyser
The san'shyuum used the anodyne spirit to stomp the sangheili during their war
And the anodyne spirit was able to power the entirety of high charity for over 3000 years not even at full power
Also reminder that the Forerunners built a dyson sphere TWO AU in diameter as a failsafe for the Halo array
versed helm
The First Order vs the Covenant armada that invaded Reach. On the ground it'll be stormtroopers vs elites, grunts, jackals, and brutes. In the air it'll be TIE-Fighters vs banshees.
Space would be a different story cause you got star destroyers fighting Covenant carriers, super carriers, and corvettes
spiral jewel
The covenant (undoubtedly) have a several hundred year advantage over the First Order/Imperial Remnants in terms of military power and technology.
versed helm
Weren't they slaves at one time?
versed helm
Didn't the leaders of the Covenant offered them to join them?
hasty geyser
The Covenant forcibly inducted them as slave labour
The unggoy rebelled
And they were then given a modicum of autonomy
versed helm
Can't underestimate the unggoy. They got balls
as they proceed to run away screaming and terrified
And also they have the highest mortality rate 😂
I heard they breed like wildfire
gaunt karma
isn't it also a thing that they have good synapse connections or something in their brains so they can learn things very well and quickly
agile lotus
Sure, if we fight The First Order at the start of Episode 7, they do have a 5-planet busting Death Star.
However, the Covenant have countless ships prepared to glass planets.
And Plasma destabilizes Shields.
tiny yarrow
How did Linda escape Alpha Halo
gaunt karma
Linda was on Alpha Halo?
agile lotus
She was the other Spartan in the cryo bay on Pillar Of Autumn because she was wounded on Reach.
versed helm
yep
agile lotus
Could we just imagine that the second spartan in co-op is Linda?
gaunt karma
didn't even realise there was another Spartan on the Autumn
versed helm
there were quite a few of them
agile lotus
It’s a small detail in the background.
versed helm
before the slipspace jump
yeah
it's more lore than anything
you can see her status on the panel in the cryobay on CEA
hasty geyser
If you go to the other cryo bay in PoA you can see Linda's name and info and stuff
gaunt karma
ah, okay
spiral jewel
That begs the question, was Chief the only Spartan present at the battle of I04, Since Linda was in Cryo?
versed helm
yes
linda was ejected into space before autumn crashed
after the ending of Halo: CE, he had cortana scan for the cryopod signal, and picked linda up
spiral jewel
Interesting
versed helm
all of this information's covered in the original novel trilogy
as well as so much more
hasty geyser
Great books
versed helm
mhm
versed helm
the flood just expands upon the game really
yeah
TFoR, First Strike, and Ghosts of Onyx
darn fine reads they are
I want to see Blue Team return in Infinite
as do i
ive also wanted to see spirit of fire in a main game, along with red team
quasi ferry
versed helm
I just realized the reason unsc ships are so heavily armoured, is less because of combat, but because slipspace has radiation
gaunt karma
ye
stoic hamlet
2006 @quasi ferry
strong sage
So in a way unsc are preserving and saving the environment of epsilon eridani system? Must be nice xD
noble fiber
Hey guys, i've read Fall Of Reach, Flood, First Strike, Ghost Of Onyx....
Which one should I read next?
I kind of don't want to reda anything in retrospect and want to have some sort of chronlogical order to how I read them
tall moat
Original Six:
Contact Harvest, The Cole Protocol, Fall of Reach, The Flood, First Strike, Ghosts of Onyx
versed helm
cole protocol took place sometime during the middle of FoR
noble fiber
For sure, I'm just getting into the lore of it all. Am I able to pick up the forerunner books at my local bookstore? Amazon only has it as preorder.
That's dumb questions
Either way, what do you guys think should I start with contact harvest, or begin the halo forerunner seires?
versed helm
the old forerunner books have been out for a while
noble fiber
found it, that was weird.
versed helm
Is it possible that Spartans could live for hundreds of years? I know the Adeptus Astartes from Warhammer 40k have incredibly long lifespans
I know Spartan augmentations allow them to stay awake longer than an average person
strong sage
It is possible but uhhh none ever lived beyond the age of 50 as of now so 👀
I mean since johnson is 70 and he looks like 30-40 ish
So its possible
versed helm
hard to say
I read somewhere that a Spartan could stay on duty as long as 2 days or more before needing to rest
spartans arent that old
I wonder if the USNC would ever do another Spartan II style program
i mean
strong sage
Idk man it involes using children soo i don’t think they would
strong sage
I mean yeah sure as hell they are cream of the crop children but then still thou conscripting them at young age , not to mention even in present day now child soldiers is uhhhhhh well ya know fam xd
versed helm
remember how halsey's considered a war criminal due to the Spartan 2 program
Where was the rest of the Blue Team during Halo 1-3?
around
places
doing things
and stuff
strong sage
That one idk but i heard they are present during battle of earth
versed helm
the books cover it
remote spruce
@versed helm During Halo 3 they were stuck on a Forerunner Shield World
During Halo 2 they were battling in other parts of Earth
strong sage
Aye but I haven’t read any of em with the exception of the flood ;-;
Speaking of the flood novel anyone knows how did the unsc carried those 50mm rampant guns for the butte’s defense
versed helm
during halo 1 they were still on reach
strong sage
I mean i look at em they are big like really big nani the heck ;-;
versed helm
with the exception of linda
Were there any SIIIs on earth during 3?
S3 units have never been deployed to earth
tall moat
Idk about that
versed helm
and are an even more well-kept secret than S2 units
tall moat
Not even in Fractures?
remote spruce
uhh, maybe the Pelicans carried them?
versed helm
@fair hazel might know
remote spruce
Fractures says nothing about IIIs being deployed to Earth.
I imagined that Gammas were deployed though, assuming they didn't get got'd in Reach
versed helm
but to my knowledge no S3 unit has set foot on earth, as an S3 unit
im sure some might have been born on earth
remote spruce
unlikely, unless they moved to a different colony after they were born
versed helm
even some of the SIIs were born on earth
remote spruce
yea, Randall is British
stoic hamlet
III’s did fight in the Sol System
last anchor
They did
stoic hamlet
On Earth isn’t known, but at least one Beta did fight in system
stoic hamlet
There’s still 323 alive
stoic shale
Oh ok. So i was wrong xD
stoic hamlet
Actually no my number is wrong
stoic shale
Oh?
stoic hamlet
There’s.......330 or so
stoic shale
Ah ok.
stoic hamlet
323 Gamma’s
tall moat
Just a whole bunch of unaccounted Gammas
stoic shale
Ye.
stoic hamlet
3 Alpha’s, 3 Beta’s
tall moat
Which I find annoying as
stoic hamlet
Well we know at least one is active up until H5, because she killed Telcam
tall moat
Dont forget the new Outpost Discovery Spartans
tall moat
:0 I thought there were even more!
remote spruce
I wonder if any Gammas died on Reach
or were they deployed after Reach?
stoic hamlet
Nah. Jun-A266, Kevin-A282, Hazel-A302
Tom-B-292, Lucy B-091, Owen-B096
Gamma was deployed in September I believe
versed helm
the surviving gamma are on blue team
remote spruce
oh ok, misremembered what was said in Ghosts of Onyx
stoic hamlet
Only 3 @versed helm
versed helm
well, technically
stoic hamlet
The entire rest of the company is still active and alive
versed helm
it was their last official designation
stoic hamlet
It’s better to say Saber are part of Blue
versed helm
only one Gamma member is alive
last anchor
They're Ferrets now
stoic hamlet
What? No
last anchor
Yeah. Sabers under Veta Lopis
versed helm
stoic hamlet
Yeah, but there’s absolutely more than one Gamma alive
versed helm
officially
remote spruce
Gamma Company remained in training for over a year, until they received deployment orders several weeks after the Fall of Reach.
wonder where they deployed to
last anchor
Small brushfires and covenant zones most likely
stoic hamlet
We know they didn’t
last anchor
And no, the only Gammas we know died were the ones on Saber and Gladius at Onyx
Holly and Dante
stoic hamlet
Yep, 7 confirmed KIA
fair hazel
I might jvhie what
stoic hamlet
the rest are likely still alive
fair hazel
Know p
versed helm
did any S-IIIs ever fight on Earth
fair hazel
Yes
stoic hamlet
One might have
fair hazel
Owen I think
versed helm
during the war?
stoic hamlet
He fought in Sol, but it doesn’t specify Earth
Ye
During the war, the final months
versed helm
yeah, i know he was in-system
but i dont recall him actually fighting on Earth itself
stoic hamlet
He might have fought anywhere tbh
fair hazel
But I’m sure some did
stoic hamlet
Mars, Jupiter’s moons, Luna, etc
I think some of Gamma might have, based off a theory I have about Alpha having a staggered deployment.
stoic hamlet
Not just that
versed helm
i know he was a part of Operation Outpost Discovery
but i dont think he ever entered combat on earth
stoic hamlet
The way Alpha’s first missions are worded in the Field Manual it implies not every member of the Company took part
strong sage
@remote spruce yeah i thought its dem pelis as well but still though aren’t they that heavy since it is a starship weapon and not to mention big
stoic hamlet
It might have been 100 one place, 100 another, etc
remote spruce
When will we see Lotus mines in FPS games /s
strong sage
Wait wait u meant the locus excavator vehicle thingy fam? XD
I thought u meant mine bombs haha
remote spruce
strong sage
There’s a lot of covies equipment i didn’t much fam sorry ;-;
last anchor
Thats what Halopedia is for
The LOTUS is an old Nylund-era multi-use explosive
Despite it being an anti-tank mine for the most part it got used to blow up Covenant soldiers
agile lotus
I keep seeing Lotus and thinking Warframe.
remote spruce
and in HW2 it's really only useful against infantry lol
last anchor
Thats gameplay balance more than anything. I DONT think you can drop them from low orbit
remote spruce
hmm would their cloaking also be just gameplay
gaunt karma
would anyone know which UNSC ships would have ODSTs and their drop pods?
versed helm
a believe most ships have SOEIVs
ranging from In Amber Clad all the way up to Spirit of Fire and beyond
Infinity has them as well
gaunt karma
I mostly mean ship class
versed helm
yeah
versed helm
they do
last anchor
Entirely so.
last anchor
Only got a ballpark estimate but maybe a platoon at most?
gaunt karma
that's..... 50?
last anchor
Destroyers are meant to engage other ships, their space is given to that job
gaunt karma
a platoon is 50, right?
last anchor
18-50 depending
gaunt karma
well, ye
last anchor
3-4 squads
gaunt karma
I meant that, my bad
gaunt karma
they do seem like they would be
I assumed it'd be flexible enough for me to include two M12 FAVs
alongside the two pelicans
last anchor
You could probably manage four
I mean, In Amber Clad had two Scorpions, a bunch of Hogs and four Pelicans I think
gaunt karma
true
last anchor
I think it had 2 Pelicans anyway
And thats a frigate, far smaller than a destroyer
Why do you ask specifically?
gaunt karma
I'm writing a story, plus I just like numbers and such, I like being specific
gaunt karma
I'm also trying to make sure it's stuff that was available in 2550
hence my weapon checking last night
peak loom
What's your story about?
gaunt karma
about whether the SRS-99D Series-2 was available during that time
I'm still working on the actual story part =w=;
most likely going to be following an ODST though, hence the SOEIV questions
last anchor
I dont think the D was but the SRS99 baseline (from Reach) has been around since the 2400s so you can use that as need be
last anchor
I know
halcyon remnant
question
when forerunners were killed by firing the halos
they had voted that humans were going to be the ones responsible for the mantle correct?
versed helm
Not that i know of
Iirc, the Precursors wanted humanity to inherit the mantle, so the forerunners killed them
obsidian thistle
Now if the Precursors attacked first or not is another debate.
versed helm
@versed helm Precursors did not like how Forerunners were handling the mantle, Humans were indeed the ones supposed to succeed the mantle, Didact didnt believe that they deserved it
Didact thought that, i believe, because of thier actions in fleeing the Precursors-turned-flood
gilded mason
Though it was also stated humans were going to be the next to be 'tested', so I imagine it wasn't a for-sure thing.
weary orbit
is there any good places for info about high charity?
gilded mason
weary orbit
yeah im on that now
was looking too see of there is anymore info of the city before they found the rings
is the picture that comes in halsey's journal high charity?
the one noted "a new threat?" at the bottom?
versed helm
plush widget
what happened to Cortana after Halo 5? i played the campaign and she just left at the end with infinity running away
radiant sphinx
She never left, she's currently consolidating the other AI of The Created. Infinity is fleeing because of her infiltration in societies throughout the galaxy (and her EMP capabilities). However, I did learn by researching some of the Halo 5 map fiction that the space station Torque takes place on was sabotaged by The Created and eventually led to its demise on the frozen version of the map.
@plush widget
icy crown
No u
green acorn
What would be the extent of the EMPs? Because some technology now is able to counter or even restore power after heavy electromagnetic interference, so saying as technology in 2558 is far more advanced, shouldn’t the EMP be temporary?
carmine sleet
I'd say that depends on whether the tech is military or not as well as the way that the EMP is deployed
Plus, even if it is just a temporary EMP, that could easily provide enough time for an enemy force to use the distraction and catch their enemies off guard
green acorn
True, Im saying like in the end cutscene where one of the Guardians unleashes an EMP disabling all ships and stations in orbit, plus all power on the surface, military technology should be advanced enough to counter something like that
But you’re right, it depends if its meant to be temporary or not.
carmine sleet
We also have to remember that it is a Forerunner EMP as well, they are likely much more powerful than anything the UNSC and Covenant ever had
green acorn
That is true
vague scroll
So I'd like to point out that the blasts of the Guardians aren't actually EMPs.
Select technologies are known to not be affected by the blast like MJOLNIR or firearms for whatever reason, however, starships which have shielding and designed to be protected against the worst weather phenomenon of space like solar winds are completely disabled.
And in Halo: Bad Blood and Legacy of Onyx, we know that when the Guardians fire off their blasts, machinery cannot simply be rebooted or recircuited as you might except from a machine that's been EMPed.
versed helm
rEsOnAtInG NeUtRiNoS MaN
I'm tellin ya
Halo rings work the same way
It's thematic
final plume
Does anybody know what the top of a space elevator looks like?
versed helm
Don't you see one at the start of the Meridian missions in Halo 5?
Ahh, nope. Just more space elevator. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSuyoxOeU1o
But I imagine it'd be a huge-ass space station with lots of cargo bays and hangars.
versed helm
Could the super soldiers from crackdown 2 survive in halo? They had armor similar to MJOLNIR armor and they could run faster than a normal human, climb buildings, and jump at a height of 35 feet
coarse axle
What do you mean, "survive in Halo"?
If you're talking about the universe, yeah. There are people who do more and less so they'd be fine. If you're talking about ON a Halo, the answer is still yes, as Halo was made to hold a normal atmosphere and have normal flora and fauna.
versed helm
So long as you don't get killed by any Sentinels
coarse axle
Well that's basically anything.
versed helm
True, but it's pretty likely that would happen on a ring
If a UNSC infantryman with no biological enhancements or powered armour can "survive in Halo", an agent can as well.
coarse axle
@versed helm there are planets with sentinels, too. They can be anywhere they want (including Earth, seeing as Earth has a giant Forerunner structure in Africa that teleports you straight to the Ark)
versed helm
Really depends where you land
I think the question he wanted to ask is
How do they measure up with Spartans?
And the answer is, probably favourably.
I think Requiem would be more of a problem for an Agent, to be honest
Though Crackdown is just a game. Halo is a game, and also a broader universe that attempts some degree of believability. So it's a bit of a poor choice for comparison.
coarse axle
Different abilities, and there are a lot of inconsistencies that the Super Soldiers have.
versed helm
All inter-game comparisons are, really.
That's also true, 343 seem to be very reluctant on giving Spartans in particular any hard limits
coarse axle
@versed helm the Spartans actually tend to have a lot more defined limits than the Agents. Especially between what a Spartan can do with/without Mjolnir
Agents don't really have definitions.
versed helm
Maybe; I'm not too aware of their capabilities. But I know that the Spartan Field manual makes it clear how a Spartan's true physical potential is a difficult variable to predict
coarse axle
For example, I believe Kelly is known to be the fastest Spartan-II with something like 92km/h. The rest can be assumed to be just below her
versed helm
Especially if paired with an AI like Cortana. If she can decrease John's reaction time by pairing with his reactive circuits, then I don't see why she couldn't do the same about safely overloading his force-multiplying circuits either
That's also a little in-the-air, honestly. There have even been sources that describe Spartan III's in Gen 2 capable of running "faster than a warthog"
coarse axle
Well it's not really decreasing his reaction time. John's reaction time is entirely dependent on his physical body afaik, Mjolnir and whatever AI is in it simply just enhance the speed at which the reaction happens. He can register and begin moving to block/dodge/hit something, but Mjolnir only makes that faster
Spartan IIIs are, in my mind, less than Spartan-IIs individually. As teams they might work better, but IIs are just powerhouses of strength and tact on their own.
versed helm
It would also depend on the source you're gathering as well. Halo Wars 2 and Hunt the Truth at least give light to the idea of how IIs can jump high enough to board/destroy vehicles and sentinels in low-altitude flight
"Low altitude" in this case being some 15-25 meters
coarse axle
I don't think a II could jump that high without Mjolnir adjustments like thruster packs
versed helm
Besides, running speed isn't really anywhere near as important as running acceleration in combat, I would imagine; and Spartans have that in the bag. John accelerated to around 72KPH in a fraction of a second in Palace hotel, which is around 10 Gees
lol
I believe athletes can only manage around 0.3 Gees
Due to his weight, that's some 160 times more stress applied to his body than Olympic sprinters
Isn't it funny how the S-IIs only get more and more physically indomitable as they get older?
When he first ran close to that fast, he injured himself.
It's neat, yeah. Early-war IIs have more quantifiable limits than late-war ones
To be fair, he was just struck by a Scorpion missile that somehow made a 2 meter deep crater in the ground - despite being detonated at face-level to Chief
Did he not deflect it away?
I would imagine that would weaken some tendons
He did, but only enough for it to not impact him directly. Instead, it was an airburst explosion; which his suit's shields could absorb the brunt of
Huh. I always read it as he deflected the missile away from him and it ploughed into the ground and detonated.
@coarse axle if you want some really high-end showings for John's strength, they come from Halo 4
Do tell.
That's what I though, too
coarse axle
Yeah such as kicking the missle-bay into place
versed helm
Yes, that' also a very impressive one
Do you guys remember how the Didact's constraint fields were strong enough to throw Master Chief's half-ton body around 400+ feet away, before John was slammed into a wall and was prevented from being launched any further?
That easily exceeds record-holding distances for cricket ball throws, despite John being 3000 times heavier than one
coarse axle
Halo 4 was an incredible game. Not only was it strong physically for him but it was strong emotionally. "She said that to me once.... 'bout being a machine."
versed helm
Despite that, John was capable of squirming around a little within the field
Yeah, it was a terrific narrative
About the scorpion missile, I just had a thought.
Maybe, if it's fundamentally a HEAT missile, when it detonated it shot the superheated molten penetrator lining into the ground.
That could've done it.
Not really a conventional outcome for a HEAT warhead going off, but hey. We're playing with 26th century materials and explosives.
I remember the excerpt describing it exploding immediately after his fingers brushed off
Well, depending on exactly where he made contact with the missile, its mass, shape and velocity, who knows how it tumbled in those few milliseconds before detonation.
coarse axle
I think y'all are getting WAY too specific into this lore stuff. Remember, different writers can cause different things to be inconsistent
versed helm
If it was face down, you've got an explosive concussion that would ordinarily be focused just a little ahead pointing straight down into the ground
And the superheated metal lining being blasted down like a spike
I think the missile was moving too slowly from John's perspective to make any dramatic shifts
@coarse axle lol, that is the norm
Well, next time I've got a copy of TFoR in my hands, I'll flick through and check the wording.
Actually, I think I can do that for you now
Noice
coarse axle
Remember a lot of TFoR was retconned in Halo: Reach and Bungie always intended the games and whatever Lore changes they have to be more important than books
versed helm
"He continued to move his hand, palm open in a slapping motion—as fast as he could will his flesh to
accelerate.
The tip of the Scorpion missile passed a centimeter from his head.
He reached out—fingertips brushed the metal casing—
—and slapped it aside.
The SkyHawk jet screamed over his head.
The Scorpion missile detonated."
@coarse axle Not really.
Look up the Halo Canon video.
Also Bungie ain't in charge anymore - we're under 343 law now, baby.
We make it work.
coarse axle
Yes but 343 follows the same philosophy
and yes, Halo: Reach was going to make a lot of TFoR different and it did.
versed helm
Eh-
Well, the timelines fit.
You do you, m'dude.
But interesting thing.
Also, this part seem to be evident how his Achilles Tendon was likely torn by the detonation itself
This is what the TFoR comic thought that scene from the book ought to look like
"Pressure slammed though his body. The Master Chief flew six meters, spinning end over end, and
landed flat on his back.
He blinked, and saw nothing but blackness. Was he dead? Had he lost?
The shield status bar in his heads-up display pulsed weakly. It was completely drained—then it blinked
red and slowly started to refill. Blood was spattered across the inside of his helmet and he tasted copper.
He stood, his muscles screaming in protest.
“Run!” Cortana said. “Before they come back for a look.”
The Master Chief got up and ran. As he passed the spot where he had stood to face down the missile, he
saw a two-meter-deep crater.
He could feel his Achilles tendon tear, but he didn’t slow. He crossed the half-kilometer stretch in
seventeen seconds flat and skidded to halt"
coarse axle
That's a good chunk of distance
versed helm
And I personally think the wording personally leaves plenty of room open for interpretation regarding exactly what the missile did after being slapped.
The author is vague - it's a good tactic for conveying the insane speed with which the events are unfolding.
But by my writing and reading tastes, there's wiggle room there.
Notice how the missile is coming at him, and he begins to hear the skyhawk's jet's after slapping it aside; implying the missile is at least somewhat supersonic
Certainly emphasises that classic MJOLNIR speed, boosted by 
calculations.
That's the sort of extreme physiological capability that kills ordinary people.
Why they need those unbreakable bones xD
Hmm, if we were to assume that missile was 2 meters long and moving at the speed of sound, then that would mean John is capable of extending out his arm within 1/180th of a second
coarse axle
When you get to numbers and st uff like that consider that it might be time for a new topic lol
versed helm
From a primed position, seems feasible.
Think of how hard he could punch you-
or 0.00555 seconds
That's why H5's Locke/Chief fight is ridiculous.
I genuinely don't think that's beyond the capability of the sort of thing Spartans explicitly and routinely do throughout TFoR.
They're always doing something mental.
agreed
That's what makes them so cool.
I wish we could get mechanics based around these crazy capabilities rather than, y'know. Thrusters.
Alright, so he moved his arm around half a meter in 5.6 milliseconds. That's around 90 meters per second - 16 times faster than the measurements I made of John's punching speed in his fight with Locke
I agree with that sentiment
In multiplayer, you could have powerups that represent Spartans pushing themselves to the extremes of their capabilities.
A sprint one to channel your inner Kelly.
A brute force one to be able to smash people with that sort of sheer force.
And obviously, general speed and physical characters should be amped up a notch regardless. Faster base movement without sprinting, powerful knockback on melee attacks.
odd nexus
i liked armour abilities and i want them to return. no universal sprint.
versed helm
Yeah, I liked those character perks in H5's campaign
So, I just measured that Hammer John re-activated in Halo 4 as having a volume of around 20 cubic meters. Assuming it's comprised of a steel density like most hammers, then that means John managed to move around 155 tonnes in a single shove in Halo 4's first mission
it even emits sparks, which would increase the traction coefficient that weight would bring
remote spruce
is this the missile that got stuck in halo 4's first level?
versed helm
Yeah, the Hyperion missile
It was on some kind of track which might've made it easier - sparks might represent the obstruction coming loose after the impact of his kick.
But y'know.
The dude flips tanks.
remote spruce
spartan kick
versed helm
Yeah. It also makes him somewhat inching his body around in the Didact's constraint fields more believable
considering those same fields could throw him harder than a human could a tennis ball
spring fulcrum
@versed helm Remember though, gameplay is not always equal to canon.
We had Chief jump from low orbit and survive; while in gameplay you die after falling from a few meters.
versed helm
Is that for the missile feat, or tank flipping?
subtle depot
Just like he cannot I’m fact flip a tank
versed helm
Rule number 1 of being a Halo nerd;
subtle depot
It goes up to warthog but that’s it
versed helm
Gameplay exists for the specific purpose of misleading you
Stay the course
I asked grim whether or not tank flipping was canon, he said "no reason to give a definitive yes or no anyway"
spring fulcrum
We had the Easter egg of flipping an Elephant as well in Halo 3 lol.
versed helm
Not me btw
I'm a different grim
Yeah lmao, I just noticed that
Though it's not a rip-off name, I became Grim when my parents named me 19 years ago
Jeff Easterling is the guy I asked
yep 😂
versed helm
I have an idea for a bolt action sniper rifle
The design would look similar to an M40
You can put a suppressor on it. It'll be used by ODSTs, marines, and Spartans for small hit and run missions
I also have an idea for a revolver
lyric burrow
i got one its a melee weapon but its totaly different its like a knife but you hold it buy the play and only hit people with the hilt but the hilt has a bomb on the end of it but it just takes you to a pocket reality where you can one V one and the loser goes home in a box
versed helm
I got thinking of a battlefield style halo game with marines, ODSTs and Spartans fighting together
Anyone got any ideas on what Spartan 5s could be like?
My idea is that they'll be more like machines than humans. Their only purpose is to serve until they die in battle. Spartan 5 recruits would mostly consist of prisoners depending on how serious their crimes are
They could be terrorists, murderers, serial killers, gangsters, anarchists, etc
Those darn anarchists
😛
versed helm
Jk jk, I find your idea of a robotic next generation of Spartans to be really quite compelling.
Spartan 5s would be completely expendable
Could be based on Prometheans.
Using some sorta crazy jury-rigged composition tech.
People like Master Chief and Sarah Palmer would oversee the project
The Spartan 5s would barely be human once their "training" is completed
Their bodies would be nothing more than a shell and they'll be unable to think for themselves
radiant sphinx
I thought about Spartan Vs today and how it would be cool (and unfortunate) if the Spartan V project was a return to form to kidnapping children and the rigor of Spartan II training, kept under raps while the Spartan IVs are still being conscripted.
versed helm
Prisoners would be more interesting imo
I don't think Chief would agree to it. He might if heavily ordered.
Palmer, though?
Are you kidding?
She's borderline insubordinate as-is.
They could go through some sort of MK-ULTRA style mind control
Which is why I love her
radiant sphinx
Palmer has so much potential imo
gilded mason
People like Master Chief and Sarah Palmer would oversee the project
wut
versed helm
I wouldn't mind seeing Chief being the overseer of something like this
gilded mason
Why in the world would he agree to something like that?
versed helm
If you managed to convince him it was literally the only thing standing between humanity and extinction, he would.
radiant sphinx
To be fair, TFoR depicts him as very subservient to Halsey and his instructors.
versed helm
He's just an avatar of humanity's defence, tbh. I think he'd do anything for us.
Not that he wouldn't have severe reservations and do things his way.
gilded mason
He's also shown to be ethical, like how he thought Johnson might hold the key to a Flood immunity, but decided not to tell ONI in case he died from experimentation.
versed helm
The difference with the 5s is that they'll be near emotionless
I could see Chief becoming commander of his own regiment
radiant sphinx
What happened to the ships of the Covenant navy between Halo 3 and 5? Halos 3 and 4 had consistent design with the battlecruisers, albeit it we never saw a carrier in Halo 4, and the designs completely changed in Halo 5. I know the SoS have old cruisers and blockade runners to form their navy, but why didn't the remains of the Covenant have the updated cruisers as seen in previous games?
versed helm
They probably upgraded them a bit
I could see Chief creating something like Outer Heaven
last anchor
Niiiice
final plume
If sentinels were made to kill any foreign life would it be possible that they were programmed to kill any sort of sentient being on the halos?
prime timber
Probably
final plume
If it were true, this would be the cause of no ambient life on any halo rings (1-3 and Wars 2)
But how would life be possible on the Halo of Halo: Infinite
last anchor
Burn out biological material of any sort I believe
versed helm
Galactic Republic vs the Covenant, who wins?
gilded mason
You really like pitting Halo against other fictional universes, huh.
last anchor
Thats just how this server be. Thats nerds for ya
versed helm
Republic infantry consists of clone troopers, ARC troopers, and commandos
I like combining Halo with Star Wars lol
stoic hamlet
Well, technically republic troops weren’t all clones, IIRC it was mainly PDF’s and militia’s vs other PDF’s and milita. The clones were only part of the big battles
last anchor
And even then they only had so many
stoic hamlet
They didn’t even have a billon clones IIRC
like, pretty sure the entire UNSC outnumbers them
last anchor
Barely 1.5 million was the entire original order
gilded mason
It feels like whoever wrote the numbers wasn't really aware of the scale of things.
stoic hamlet
Also Spartans from any generation would slaughter them.
last anchor
The expanded universe helped but they pretty much nerfed that
stoic hamlet
Like it wouldn’t even be a contest
stoic hamlet
Star Wars (currently) is very tame when it comes to warfare really
last anchor
It was kind of weird even before that, but Disney defanged it fiercely
For which, I am eternally greatful
stoic hamlet
“Oh Force they destroyed Jedha from orbit”
The UNSC points to their hundreds of burning worlds, like, “dude, really?”
versed helm
How do glassing beams work?
last anchor
"They have a space station that can destroy entire planets!"
(UNSC looks at NOVA, the size of a car and easily launchable from something frigate-sized)
"BRUH"
Glassing beams are just directed plasma, nothing more
Powerful, and high intensity, but nothing more than plasma
stoic hamlet
Yeah They’re just that, beams.
last anchor
Death rave guns.
stoic hamlet
It’s like an upscaled version of the focus rifle from Reach, essentially
Side note, that thing is terrible in game. In lore it’s probably pretty horrific
last anchor
The Focus Rifle?
If I remember right it was based on improperly understood Sentinel ordinance
And was the predicesor to the beam rifle we know today
stoic hamlet
Yeah
last anchor
Then again Reach had a bunch of weird ordinance peices
last anchor
We can theorize based on what we know.
Its high intensity plasma, so its going to burn through flesh and bone easily
Its got impressive range so it can reach out and touch someone
stoic hamlet
The UNSC armoury makes sense lore wise
Yeah
It has a bit of splash as well IIRC
And that’s in game
Imagine that in the lore.
last anchor
Im pretty sure you could use it to wipe out an entire row of lightly armored targets
Not bad against flood either I bet
stoic hamlet
Yeah, I could see it used to quell riots and stuff on Covenant world’s
It’d be pretty demoralizing to see your friend get his face melted and caved in by a beam from two blocks away
last anchor
Also, four or five Kig-Yar armed with them would be pretty horrifying
Its like a rave, except the lasers kill you
Probably useful for culling human civies
stoic hamlet
Probably pretty agonizingly to boot
Ye
Maybe they were used on Draco III, or Sigma Octanus
last anchor
More than likely
Im fairly certain they were used on Reach
I remember seeing Jackals armed with em in New Alexandria
stoic hamlet
They definitely were used on Reach.
I think some were used as well during the night mission with Jun
stoic hamlet
Yeah I’m not too sure either but I know they aren’t only used in New Alexandria