#lore-and-universe | Halo | Page 161

dire geyser Feb 20, 2019, 3:23 AM

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wat is it about the ma5d and m395b that make their damages different if they use the same ammo

gilded mason Feb 20, 2019, 3:25 AM

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Gameplay.

dire geyser Feb 20, 2019, 3:25 AM

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makes sense :,(

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but from a human taxpayers standpoint i imagine they would be pissed if they found out the standard rifle spent several times more ammo to accomplish the same as an alternative

modest marsh Feb 20, 2019, 3:41 AM

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The logic behind the mechanics of halo’s weaponry as presented by gameplay are a non-starter

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The halo 2 magnum, the M6C, is pretty much identical to the other M6 pistols outside of lacking the sight cowling and having a matte black finish, but does as little as 1/6 the damage per shot

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*compared to the halo 1 magnum that is

warm ingot Feb 20, 2019, 3:51 AM

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Anyone read collateral damage?

modest marsh Feb 20, 2019, 3:51 AM

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Yep

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It was alright

dire geyser Feb 20, 2019, 4:07 AM

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what does it mean to be a non-starter :o

modest marsh Feb 20, 2019, 4:16 AM

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Like there’s no room to even consider because of how internally inconsistent it is

short oasis Feb 20, 2019, 4:35 AM

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HeavyBox Today at 10:23 PM wat is it about the ma5d and m395b that make their damages different if they use the same ammo
barrel length would affect things but IDK if it would be that much, possibly also rifling but that's probably the same

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you can have different powder loads for the same caliber, and you do want the load you use to be supported by the gun you intend to use it in

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but significant changes in that are usually shown somewhere

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it'll say +P or similar

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in the case of .38 and .357 (and maybe a few other pairs?), they're basically the same except for a serious difference in load

last anchor Feb 20, 2019, 6:09 AM

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Im pretty sure they use the exact same size ammunition actually.

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IMO it would have made more sense if they used 7.62x70 or something, a realy big .30

strong sage Feb 20, 2019, 6:47 AM

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Guys is Omega team considered cannon or just for gameplay purposes? And what is their history thou i mean like which spartan 2 team r they from?

last anchor Feb 20, 2019, 6:48 AM

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Canon

carmine sleet Feb 20, 2019, 7:10 AM

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They're canon and all the info about them we got in HW2 is canon, just they aren't actually on the Ark and appear as units in a non-canon sense

brisk cape Feb 20, 2019, 12:52 PM

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Wasn’t their last known canon position on Arcadia?

spiral jewel Feb 20, 2019, 2:51 PM

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Was Arbiter informed about Chiefs return during the events of Halo 4?

coarse mason Feb 20, 2019, 3:06 PM

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the Arbiter is not in Halo 4

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oof

spiral lily Feb 20, 2019, 3:07 PM

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Hate how they killed off jul like that after I invested so much time and energy into reading about him

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And spartan ops

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All of spartan ops

coarse mason Feb 20, 2019, 3:07 PM

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cool

carmine sleet Feb 20, 2019, 3:09 PM

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@coarse mason They weren't asking if Arbiter was in Halo 4. They were asking if Arbiter was made aware of the events of the game

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@spiral jewel Unknown if Arbiter knows about the events of Halo 4

humble yacht Feb 20, 2019, 3:27 PM

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I’d be surprised if Thel wasn’t made aware of certain events.

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Having been engaged in war with Jul’s Covenant, he had to know that Jul called himself “Didact’s Hand”, and that the Forerunner known as Didact was released

spiral jewel Feb 20, 2019, 3:41 PM

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@carmine sleet I was asking if he was informed about the Master Chief's return from the Forward unto Dawn, as the two hadn't seen each other for almost 5 years.

carmine sleet Feb 20, 2019, 3:41 PM

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I mean, Chief's return is part of Halo 4's events

spiral jewel Feb 20, 2019, 3:51 PM

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Ah.

versed helm Feb 20, 2019, 5:52 PM

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the green guy is master chief right?

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he has a little tribe in North America!

limpid kernel Feb 20, 2019, 5:54 PM

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Yes but he has some clones called master Chief 2, Master Chief 3, and Master Chief 4

steep hull Feb 20, 2019, 7:48 PM

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@versed helm You frickin moron thats obviously Doom Guy

fair hazel Feb 20, 2019, 8:08 PM

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I’m confused

last anchor Feb 20, 2019, 11:49 PM

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Yeah me too...

stoic peak Feb 21, 2019, 1:11 AM

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Can every Flood Form turn a host into more flood or is ot just spors who can turn a host ?

modest marsh Feb 21, 2019, 1:31 AM

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The infected matter should also be infectious, but it seemingly requires blood-contact such as open wounds

random shard Feb 21, 2019, 1:32 AM

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I remember something like just a single Flood Supercell being enough to take control over something.

modest marsh Feb 21, 2019, 1:32 AM

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Bites or scratches have infected humans, however the mutations take much longer to take effect

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Versus an infector pod burrowing in the chest cavity and mutating the host in seconds

stoic peak Feb 21, 2019, 1:33 AM

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So a Spore can do it a lot faster but any Flood Form can do it?

modest marsh Feb 21, 2019, 1:35 AM

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Spores are small infection vectors that are presumably released through the air by a given flood construct

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The little tentacle guys are called infector pods or infection forms, which forcefully push themselves inside the host after penetrating the spinal cord with some sort of syringe like organ, which contains a biological material that jumpstarts the mutation process

stoic peak Feb 21, 2019, 1:37 AM

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Sorry i mean Pod infector

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So a pod infector can do it a loft faster but any flood form can turn you.
Its been a while since i read Halo The Flood

modest marsh Feb 21, 2019, 1:38 AM

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I don’t recall any examples from the Flood specifically that are relevant

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I’m referencing Mona Lisa and the first Halo Wars

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In both cases, we see a marine and ODST respectively turn after being injured by a combat form

brisk cape Feb 21, 2019, 1:45 AM

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Don’t forget K’usavai on the Infinite Succor being infected by spores.

stoic peak Feb 21, 2019, 1:45 AM

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@brisk cape where is that from ?

brisk cape Feb 21, 2019, 1:46 AM

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The Flight of the Infinite Succor from the Graphic Novel.

stoic peak Feb 21, 2019, 1:48 AM

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@brisk cape ah yes its been ages since i read that

brisk cape Feb 21, 2019, 1:48 AM

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I just reread it a few months ago lol

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Main reason I still remembered the name

stoic peak Feb 21, 2019, 2:33 AM

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So Halo Battle born has made me cry almost 2 times !

carmine yew Feb 21, 2019, 3:16 AM

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Halo 3 final cut seen made me cry 12 times ;-;

fair hazel Feb 21, 2019, 3:18 AM

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what parts? @stoic peak

subtle depot Feb 21, 2019, 3:44 AM

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What about halo 4 final scene I can’t be the only one who got at least slightly emotional

feral perch Feb 21, 2019, 3:46 AM

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Halo: CE final scene is where it's at

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best one in the series IMHO

grand yacht Feb 21, 2019, 4:22 AM

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aey

stoic peak Feb 21, 2019, 4:50 AM

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@fair hazel the part where Sakia is looking at the door to the room with the prototype wepons and she is wonderimg how to tell her Team after leaving it so long, and then Owen finds her and asks her what she is doing and Sakia tells him why she kept it secret and how her family abandoned her on the planet just before the Covernant attacked. And Owen tells her that her Team are her family now and she saved Evie two Times and saved him by patching him up, and owen tells her about how is family died.

Also the part at the end of the book where the team is catching up with tjete familys after everything and Sakia has no one but Evie comes along with her dad and walks away with her

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@subtle depot lol yeah that was sad, but i feel like Halo 5 kinda took away from that by brining Cortana back

fading timber Feb 21, 2019, 6:17 AM

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arbiter

gilded mason Feb 21, 2019, 6:18 AM

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Hi, Arbiter. How's Sanghelios this time of year?

fading timber Feb 21, 2019, 6:18 AM

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🌞 🔥 💨

gilded mason Feb 21, 2019, 6:20 AM

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Ah, I see, I see. Good luck with the huge billowing fires that spread everywhere thanks to the winds. 🙏

fading timber Feb 21, 2019, 6:20 AM

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343pls

last anchor Feb 21, 2019, 6:43 AM

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Hey mate.

stoic peak Feb 21, 2019, 8:50 AM

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Does the UNSC have any Flood containment procedures or a Protocol if there is a Flood outbreak?

quiet dock Feb 21, 2019, 8:50 AM

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um

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did you just delete that lol

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confused

stoic peak Feb 21, 2019, 8:51 AM

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@quiet dock lol yeah sorry. I was meant to edit it hahah

quiet dock Feb 21, 2019, 8:51 AM

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rip

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well I'm assuming they do now

stoic peak Feb 21, 2019, 8:53 AM

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Yeah there would have to be a protocol or something, if a Spartan got infected they would have to have a way to contain it

strong sage Feb 21, 2019, 8:59 AM

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A flood spartan spartan is going to be hella scary

stoic peak Feb 21, 2019, 9:05 AM

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@strong sage i know ! What about a game where all the Spartan Iv torn into flood lol

strong sage Feb 21, 2019, 9:07 AM

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Just imagine from a marine perspectives that they were ordered to take em down. Its like uhhh you are fighting a chaos space marine while ur just a regular guardsmen xd

safe siren Feb 21, 2019, 11:33 AM

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There is a protocol for a Flood Outbreak: the UNSC is allowed to use nuclear weaponry to stop an Infected Spartan, also all UNSC forces are forced to disengage the area and let the containment teams do their work

radiant sphinx Feb 21, 2019, 11:34 AM

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@stoic peak Xperia posted a video on the topic. Basically, if a Spartan is infected, Havoc Nukes are authorized in order to eliminate it. Freaky stuff. The UEG (I think) also sponsored a glassing of a city exposed to the flood and played it off as a Covenant attack.

vivid dust Feb 21, 2019, 11:36 AM

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That was during Halo 3 I'm pretty sure

obsidian thistle Feb 21, 2019, 11:36 AM

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Yep

stoic peak Feb 21, 2019, 11:51 AM

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@radiant sphinx where is this mentioned ?

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@safe siren where you here this ?

vivid dust Feb 21, 2019, 11:52 AM

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The Official Spartan Field Manual Guide Thing talks about that

stoic peak Feb 21, 2019, 11:55 AM

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@vivid dust i have that ! That in the flood section ?

vivid dust Feb 21, 2019, 11:55 AM

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Maybe? I don't have it so I can't say

safe siren Feb 21, 2019, 11:55 AM

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For what i know yes

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"WARNING ! DECLARATION OF CRYPTONYM "CORRUPTER".
Declaration of the cryptonym CORRUPTER on the battlenet indicates that a Spartan has been infected by the flood. safeguards failed, and weapons of mass destruction have been authorized for immediate release. All Spartans not assigned to Flood containment fireteams are ordered to immediately activate emergency biohazard response "UPSILON" and withdrawal to security perimeter. CORRUPTER protocol dictates containment and immediate bombardment with orbital MAC strikes and fusion warheads. Evacuation may not be possible in some situations.

UPSILON is defined a page prior as:
Immediately move to limit Flood expansion and initiate full quarantine. All UEG and UNSC rules of engagement are suspended for duration of containment efforts." (https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/9itiw0/halo_official_spartan_field_manual_discussion/#e6mbk42)

stoic peak Feb 21, 2019, 12:12 PM

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Oh nice okay. I wonder what makes a flood Spartan so deadly lol

safe siren Feb 21, 2019, 12:13 PM

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It's strong, it's smart, it has a lot of knowledge;

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Think about a regular combat form then multiply it x10.

modest marsh Feb 21, 2019, 12:44 PM

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Combat forms retain the knowledge and skills of their hosts

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Spartans are among the most information rich individuals the Flood could reasonably encounter, which would jumpstart the development of a gravemind

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In terms of pure combat power, Spartans are already dangerous enough as is to handle with extreme prejudice given their track record, the presence of a flood mutation would only increase their resilience and physical power to the extent it’s unlikely that conventional combat teams would be able to handle the threat on top of whatever converted the Spartan in the first place

strong sage Feb 21, 2019, 1:08 PM

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Holeeeee cow in a way unsc are willing to conduct an exterminus like kind of thingy to a single spartan infected with flood??

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But wait does this apply to all spartan class or only specific ones like the 2s?

modest marsh Feb 21, 2019, 1:10 PM

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All Spartans I assume

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I mean think of it this way

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Red Team was swarmed from all sides by various flood forms in multiple instances, yet were never infected

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This is with their far inferior Mark IV armor and lacking any fore knowledge of what the flood is and how to fight it safely and effectively

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Compared to the S-IVs, they were at a dramatic disadvantage and still managed to come out on top

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For the situation to be so desperate that you have a Spartan flood form running around, whatever place you’re fighting for has already gone FUBAR past the point of recovery

safe siren Feb 21, 2019, 1:34 PM

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This is why they are allowed to nuclearize the place

strong sage Feb 21, 2019, 1:43 PM

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Ahhhh that explains

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But then are flood really contagious thou like them zombies parasite thingy?

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Sorry for the noob question as im not really familiar how flood really infects and multiply apart from their flodo forms

versed helm Feb 21, 2019, 1:44 PM

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flood infect you, you cant give someone flood

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its a hive mind

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the more people and sentient people it takes over, the more knowledge it gains

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the flood can infect anyone but they stay away from spartans due to the armor then their scrambled DNA, it takes too long for the flood to infect spartans so they take easier targets

safe siren Feb 21, 2019, 1:48 PM

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It's like dust; once you inhale it you are infected

The flood can also put those spores into you with the Infector Pods (the popcorns of death) and with the combat form,

versed helm Feb 21, 2019, 1:49 PM

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yup

strong sage Feb 21, 2019, 1:49 PM

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Ahhhhhh that really makes senses now thanks for the clarification guys much appreciated it

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And also about the unsc protocol “corrupted” when did it uhhh started to enact that command? Is it post war?

safe siren Feb 21, 2019, 1:50 PM

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Probably after the UNSC was able to find and secure a lot of forerunner installation, so after the war, yes.

stoic peak Feb 21, 2019, 1:54 PM

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Hey guys i was wondering if you can answer a Qustion i have about Halo First Strike.
Its the time travel in First strike that confuses me with that crystal they have, especially since they go back before the events oh CE, which means the Ring was never destroyed, but yet in Halo 3 the Ark was building replacement.
HOW does this work?

carmine sleet Feb 21, 2019, 1:55 PM

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They went back in time but did not change the timeline, Halo CE still happens and the ring is destroyed

obsidian thistle Feb 21, 2019, 1:58 PM

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Whether its a closed loop or a open one is yet to be seen.

stoic peak Feb 21, 2019, 2:04 PM

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Do you think its something they will go back to or ignore ? Because nothing has been said about it since

obsidian thistle Feb 21, 2019, 2:05 PM

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Ignore

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343i writers dislike timetravel. But they understand they cant retcon it out.

stoic peak Feb 21, 2019, 2:06 PM

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@obsidian thistle i dont think Bungie even went back to it, i mean first strike came out in like 2003

obsidian thistle Feb 21, 2019, 2:07 PM

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Bungie kinda went back to it to help explain the non-canon events for Dead or Alive 4.

stoic peak Feb 21, 2019, 2:07 PM

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Yeah but thats not canon lol.
So does that mean Chief and Cortana still have proof to show ONI and the UNSC they traveled back in time?

obsidian thistle Feb 21, 2019, 2:07 PM

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Nope.

versed helm Feb 21, 2019, 2:08 PM

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time travel is annoying to write out on paper

obsidian thistle Feb 21, 2019, 2:08 PM

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They chose to hide that fact via stuff explained in the book

versed helm Feb 21, 2019, 2:08 PM

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its why i generally dislike media tackling it

safe siren Feb 21, 2019, 2:08 PM

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It was just a strange way to make the blue team survive reach, i don't think you should think much about it

stoic peak Feb 21, 2019, 2:09 PM

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@obsidian thistle they decided to hide the fact Johnson survived the flood, but not the Halo Ring and everything else, because i REMEMBER Halsey giving him a choice wether to tell ONI about JOHNSON or hide it

safe siren Feb 21, 2019, 2:10 PM

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343 expanded the concept of time manipulation with the time bubbles tho, so maybe we could be able to see something time-related in the future

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But nothing like time travel, but only something like "we spent the last 10 years searching for this thing" "10 years? it's only been 10 minutes"

stoic peak Feb 21, 2019, 2:23 PM

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But ONI and the UNSC would have to know about the events at installation 04? I am pretty sure Halsey just gave Chief a choice to hide the fact Johnson is immune to the flood.

latent sable Feb 21, 2019, 2:23 PM

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Johnson isn't immune, he is resistant

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because of the ORION augments

north holly Feb 21, 2019, 2:23 PM

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he has a weird Nervous system

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which makes it harder to be infected

autumn verge Feb 21, 2019, 2:24 PM

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@safe siren this is going back to a previous question, But I thought only Project Orion subjects (spartan 1’s) had scrambled DNA?

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And not all spartans

stoic peak Feb 21, 2019, 2:25 PM

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@latent sable yeah what i meant

safe siren Feb 21, 2019, 2:25 PM

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It's not a DNA factor as i know, it was because the nervous system was altered, in every gen. of Spartan

autumn verge Feb 21, 2019, 2:25 PM

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Sorry, meant nervous system

north holly Feb 21, 2019, 2:26 PM

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the nervous system becomes more like a cockroaches which has a ganglia making it very hard to be killed

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and harder to infect

autumn verge Feb 21, 2019, 2:27 PM

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All the info i’ve found only states that Johnson (and other orion candidates) were more resistant, not other spartans

north holly Feb 21, 2019, 2:27 PM

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yeah

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Spartans have a normal system since in the flood book it brings up how Master chief was almost infected

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since the infection form made a cut into his suit through the light armor

latent sable Feb 21, 2019, 2:29 PM

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What about the changes the life worker made in 4? would that boost john's immunity?

autumn verge Feb 21, 2019, 2:29 PM

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Just to the composer

latent sable Feb 21, 2019, 2:29 PM

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I'm sure she did something to him

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oh

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I see

north holly Feb 21, 2019, 2:29 PM

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the life worker just makes it so that he could not be composed

autumn verge Feb 21, 2019, 2:29 PM

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No flood immunity from that

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Yep

north holly Feb 21, 2019, 2:30 PM

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and the flood immunity that happened in the lore wasn't even immunity the gravemind just told the flood forms to leave them alone

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for the ancient humans

safe siren Feb 21, 2019, 2:30 PM

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Yep

latent sable Feb 21, 2019, 2:30 PM

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huh neat

north holly Feb 21, 2019, 2:31 PM

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then again the flood are technical gods

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since they are the remains of one of the precursor the primodial

safe siren Feb 21, 2019, 2:31 PM

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One can only be resistant to the flood, but not completely immune

north holly Feb 21, 2019, 2:31 PM

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yes

latent sable Feb 21, 2019, 2:31 PM

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I really need to reread that series

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i never completed it

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i want a full hardcover set of the Thursday War series and the forerunner saga

safe siren Feb 21, 2019, 2:32 PM

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It's very good, Primordium is a bit boring but Silentium is among the best books of the entire series

north holly Feb 21, 2019, 2:32 PM

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oh it is so great

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yeah

latent sable Feb 21, 2019, 2:32 PM

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yeah primordium i didn't finish.

solemn fern Feb 21, 2019, 2:32 PM

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What was the halo manual thing called again? The one that stated you can nuke a planet if a flood lifeform can’t be contained

safe siren Feb 21, 2019, 2:33 PM

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You should read it, it contains a lot of information about Zeta Halo

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@solemn fern Halo: Official Spartan Field Manual

solemn fern Feb 21, 2019, 2:33 PM

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Thanks I might look into getting that

safe siren Feb 21, 2019, 2:34 PM

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also in the book there are a couple of Infinite concept art

north holly Feb 21, 2019, 2:34 PM

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thanks i need to start reading those books

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i read only reach, the flood, and the last one

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and i read a little bit of the other books

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and the mona lisa

safe siren Feb 21, 2019, 2:35 PM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/wiki/literature

this is the chronological order

north holly Feb 21, 2019, 2:36 PM

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alright thank you so much

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i have a question about a crossover kind of thing like what is the better infection the flood from halo or the infestation from warframe

stoic peak Feb 21, 2019, 2:43 PM

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So ONI would have had known about the events at installation 04 because of the events of Mona Lisa

north holly Feb 21, 2019, 2:43 PM

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ONI knew everything

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they are the office of naval intelligence and they are the ones who tried using the flood as living weapons

safe siren Feb 21, 2019, 2:43 PM

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The Tecnocyte is controllable, you can handle weapon corrupted by it and there are people capable of surviving in a infested territory.

The flood is... well you know

north holly Feb 21, 2019, 2:43 PM

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that is why they had the MONA lisa

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Yeah silver pit i guess

stoic peak Feb 21, 2019, 2:44 PM

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@north holly even though Chief traveled back in time before the Ring blew up

north holly Feb 21, 2019, 2:44 PM

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but remember the helminth strain is kinda jerky to humans

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ok chief is weird

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because right now as the halo is destroyed

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the ark knows that and starts building a new ring ASAP

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which is installation 04-b

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which that gets destroyed making installation 04-c

carmine sleet Feb 21, 2019, 2:45 PM

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@stoic peak He went back in time but didn't do anything that would change the timeline so all the events still played out

north holly Feb 21, 2019, 2:46 PM

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yeah

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Master chief is smart that way

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he is mainly lucky and that is why he changed nothing

safe siren Feb 21, 2019, 2:47 PM

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right now this conversation is giving me a headache, lol; i need to re-read that book

north holly Feb 21, 2019, 2:47 PM

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but i dont really know that topic

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i really need to re-read it

stoic peak Feb 21, 2019, 2:47 PM

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So Chief still had proof of everything that happened and the fact he went back in time and showed oni

north holly Feb 21, 2019, 2:47 PM

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yeah

carmine sleet Feb 21, 2019, 2:47 PM

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I'd need to draw the whole thing out to explain everything that happened

north holly Feb 21, 2019, 2:47 PM

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yeah

carmine sleet Feb 21, 2019, 2:48 PM

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But long story short, Chief going back in time did not change any events, Installation 04 still gets destroyed no matter what

north holly Feb 21, 2019, 2:48 PM

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yeah

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it was bound to happen

fair hazel Feb 21, 2019, 2:48 PM

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No installation 04b or 04c

stoic peak Feb 21, 2019, 2:48 PM

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Because i know he decided to hide the thing about johnson and the flood

north holly Feb 21, 2019, 2:48 PM

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yeah

fair hazel Feb 21, 2019, 2:48 PM

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Installation 08 and 09

north holly Feb 21, 2019, 2:49 PM

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technically yes

carmine sleet Feb 21, 2019, 2:49 PM

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Hiding the thing about Johnson had nothing to do with the time travel stuff so I don't see why that's being brought up here. Sure they happened in the same book but still

north holly Feb 21, 2019, 2:49 PM

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but what i dont get is what the seventh halo is i know that it is one of the original halo attempts

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that the forerunners made

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but i just don't understand why they moved it to join the other halo system

safe siren Feb 21, 2019, 2:50 PM

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yes, it's one of the original 12; it was occupied by mendicant bias and the primordial, who was then killed by the Didac

north holly Feb 21, 2019, 2:50 PM

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yes

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i understand that but

unique rune Feb 21, 2019, 2:51 PM

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It was heavily damaged. Ejecting the damaged sections shrunk it down to the 10,000km diameter of the Neoteric Array rings.
No point in wasting it.

stoic peak Feb 21, 2019, 2:51 PM

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@carmine sleet Because i thought @obsidian thistle meant that ONI dont know about what happened at installation 04 and chief covered it up, i might have missunderstood.
i am pretty sure Chief just decided to hide johnson secret.
I may have just misunderstood :)

safe siren Feb 21, 2019, 2:51 PM

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^

north holly Feb 21, 2019, 2:51 PM

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if those halos were inferior to the new ones since they did not have omni directional pulse then why did they not just build a new one that had Omni-directional possibilities

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@unique rune thank you

safe siren Feb 21, 2019, 2:52 PM

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If you can re-use something why waste resources in creating something just a bit more advanced?

fair hazel Feb 21, 2019, 2:52 PM

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Building a new one is much longer than using the other one

north holly Feb 21, 2019, 2:52 PM

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yeah

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that is understandable

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OHHHH ok i get that now

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it was because mendicant bias had control over that array

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which the didact then got back

safe siren Feb 21, 2019, 2:53 PM

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Yeah, it was a rogue one

north holly Feb 21, 2019, 2:53 PM

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ok thanks

safe siren Feb 21, 2019, 2:54 PM

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343 pls let us see every structure in the Halo, pls

north holly Feb 21, 2019, 2:54 PM

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PLS

fair hazel Feb 21, 2019, 2:54 PM

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Uhh every structure on the halo??

safe siren Feb 21, 2019, 2:55 PM

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Every type of structure i meant

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Palaces of pain, ancient cities, biologist camps, etc...

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I would be happy with just an codex, like the one in HW2

vague scroll Feb 21, 2019, 4:33 PM

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Kind of pointless to do that if its not relevant to the actual game...

latent sable Feb 21, 2019, 5:22 PM

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anything related to Halo lore is relevant to all the games

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imho

obsidian thistle Feb 21, 2019, 6:08 PM

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I do however fail to see how "everything" is relevant to the games. Windows 95 (which is canon btw) will have very little influence in the game lore ;)

safe siren Feb 21, 2019, 6:12 PM

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Clippy will save the universe from Cortana, mark my words

latent sable Feb 21, 2019, 6:23 PM

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lol

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sits down at ship console on halcyon class cruiser. boots console get's greeted with windows 3.1 splash.

boreal bane Feb 21, 2019, 6:24 PM

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_It looks like you're trying to enter Slipspace, do you need some help? _

latent sable Feb 21, 2019, 6:26 PM

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moves "my computer" to "recycle bin", ship dissapears

boreal bane Feb 21, 2019, 6:26 PM

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Haha

latent sable Feb 21, 2019, 6:30 PM

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all you had to do with the first halo was install 95 in the control room

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then delete system32

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game=won

obsidian thistle Feb 21, 2019, 7:03 PM

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In before we get a John Titor scenario where a someone or something goes back in time to recover a copy of Windows 95 cause of some software on it.

latent sable Feb 21, 2019, 7:16 PM

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... hides

obsidian thistle Feb 21, 2019, 7:44 PM

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Sooo

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We have new lore

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https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/news/discovery-dispatch-february-21-2019

Halo Waypoint

Discovery Dispatch - Discovery Dispatch - February 21, 2019

Greetings! Welcome to the first in a series of updates discussing the development of the recently announced Halo: Outpost Discovery, a traveling fan attraction that will let the whole family dive into the Halo universe in ways you haven’t experienced before.

gilded mason Feb 21, 2019, 7:46 PM

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Huh. Neat.

nimble tinsel Feb 21, 2019, 8:06 PM

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Just got battle born. \o/

north holly Feb 21, 2019, 8:06 PM

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nice

obsidian thistle Feb 21, 2019, 8:29 PM

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If you want to re-create these spartans here be their loadouts.

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Orange/Tan Spartan loadout
Helmet: Recon UA/HUL[3]
Left shoulder: Recon
Right shoulder: Grenadier
Chest: Collar/Breacher
Wrist: ???
Utility: UA/NxRA
Visor color: Gold

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Blue Spartan loadout
Helmet: JFO
Left shoulder: Security
Right shoulder: Mark. V
Chest: Assault/Commando
Wrist: Tactical/UGPS
Utility: Tactical/Soft Case
Visor color: Gold

versed helm Feb 21, 2019, 8:34 PM

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I’m only going to outpost if I get to race the Spartans.

rugged grotto Feb 22, 2019, 12:37 AM

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So i have a question.

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How would one go about adding to the lore of the universe.

gilded mason Feb 22, 2019, 12:38 AM

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Like, fanon?

rugged grotto Feb 22, 2019, 12:42 AM

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a bit

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I'm working on some custom lore and im not sure on how it would be received

gilded mason Feb 22, 2019, 12:43 AM

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Whatcha got?

rugged grotto Feb 22, 2019, 12:43 AM

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well still writing the lore for it, but illDm you

gilded mason Feb 22, 2019, 12:43 AM

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Alrighty.

rugged grotto Feb 22, 2019, 1:15 AM

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@gilded mason thanks for the feedback :)

gilded mason Feb 22, 2019, 1:15 AM

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👍

north holly Feb 22, 2019, 2:52 AM

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@rugged grotto can I read over the lore. I always like looking over lore even if it is not by the creators

last anchor Feb 22, 2019, 2:53 AM

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The lore is fastinating

fluid pebble Feb 22, 2019, 3:00 AM

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Someone ask for lore?

hallow oyster Feb 22, 2019, 3:01 AM

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I know it was posted a bit ago

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but that is some very Reachy looking armor

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and I love it

fluid pebble Feb 22, 2019, 3:02 AM

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Have you considered it is meant to be “reachy”?

hallow oyster Feb 22, 2019, 3:03 AM

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yeah

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I just thought it was cool

fluid pebble Feb 22, 2019, 3:05 AM

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Reach did have the most popular armor customization

hallow oyster Feb 22, 2019, 3:06 AM

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I know. It's my personal favorite art style so I thought I'd just comment on it

fluid pebble Feb 22, 2019, 3:07 AM

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Freedom of speech yo

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Heheh

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Any lore questions then?

hallow oyster Feb 22, 2019, 3:08 AM

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whats chiefs favorite color

fluid pebble Feb 22, 2019, 3:08 AM

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Green

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Its why of blue team, he has green armor

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Likely coming from his upbringing on his home world. Everything destroyed under rubble. Brown and grey, but plant life coming thru the environment, bright green, is wonder to his eyes then

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Imprinting green as good

polar cobalt Feb 22, 2019, 3:15 AM

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That’s pretty good

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What’s chief’s favorite food

fluid pebble Feb 22, 2019, 3:17 AM

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He has only eaten MREs

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jk

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Idk he never is shown eating

polar cobalt Feb 22, 2019, 3:18 AM

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Are the normal turrets in hw2 the same as the normal ones from hw1

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Like are they using the same gun

fluid pebble Feb 22, 2019, 3:19 AM

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cries as i played all halos but 2

polar cobalt Feb 22, 2019, 3:22 AM

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Rip

fluid pebble Feb 22, 2019, 3:23 AM

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Your name is amusing. Just throwing that out there. Any more questions?

hallow oyster Feb 22, 2019, 3:24 AM

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whats your favorite color?

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I wanna say red but at the same time I think its a red herring

polar cobalt Feb 22, 2019, 3:25 AM

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Gotem

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Not really

fluid pebble Feb 22, 2019, 3:25 AM

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Har har, the story behind my name takes a while. Its actually brass and gold and dark yellow

hallow oyster Feb 22, 2019, 3:26 AM

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noice

fluid pebble Feb 22, 2019, 3:26 AM

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I like goooooooold

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Its kinda my thing

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End quote

hallow oyster Feb 22, 2019, 3:26 AM

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gold is a pretty nice color

fluid pebble Feb 22, 2019, 3:27 AM

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DID YOU get the reference?

hallow oyster Feb 22, 2019, 3:27 AM

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....possibly?

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probably not

fluid pebble Feb 22, 2019, 3:27 AM

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Sigh

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Pop culture experience

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HOOOOOOE

hallow oyster Feb 22, 2019, 3:28 AM

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sorry to disappoint

fluid pebble Feb 22, 2019, 3:28 AM

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Alright lad hahaha

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Im jot british so idk why i just said lad

hallow oyster Feb 22, 2019, 3:28 AM

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cheeky chap

fluid pebble Feb 22, 2019, 3:30 AM

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I have a british friend we poke at each other’s language habits

wispy bough Feb 22, 2019, 3:32 AM

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Lets keep this strictly related to Lore, thanks.

hallow oyster Feb 22, 2019, 3:35 AM

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actually

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I do have a lore question

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I'm reading over the waypoint article and I'm kinda curious about the two spartan IIIs

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I assume Owen was a Cat-2 since it says he was pulled from Beta company

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and it says Hazel was pulled from Alpha and became a headhunter. I never knew headhunters came back from assignments unless she never went on one

fluid pebble Feb 22, 2019, 3:40 AM

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Head hunters have low survivable missions but they can come back if they live

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No man left behind

hallow oyster Feb 22, 2019, 3:40 AM

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Makes sense.

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It just seemed like it was always a one way trip

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but I guess its not surprising that its possible to come back

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like you said.. just extremely low chances

fluid pebble Feb 22, 2019, 3:42 AM

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Thats because it is dangrous as hell and sending brain washed angry bois and girls to do a job is cost expensive. To explain ONI’s rational

hallow oyster Feb 22, 2019, 3:42 AM

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I love ONI

fluid pebble Feb 22, 2019, 3:42 AM

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I hate you then

hallow oyster Feb 22, 2019, 3:43 AM

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aw

fluid pebble Feb 22, 2019, 3:43 AM

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ONI is morally bankrupt for the sake of paranoia

last anchor Feb 22, 2019, 3:43 AM

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Most IIIs were expected to die so

hallow oyster Feb 22, 2019, 3:43 AM

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oh I know

last anchor Feb 22, 2019, 3:43 AM

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The Headhunters having one-way trips isnt really a shock

hallow oyster Feb 22, 2019, 3:43 AM

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ONI is terrible

last anchor Feb 22, 2019, 3:43 AM

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Desperate times...

hallow oyster Feb 22, 2019, 3:44 AM

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desperate measures

last anchor Feb 22, 2019, 3:44 AM

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And while it may have been horrible, the shuttering of K7-49 and Pegasi Delta stopped the Covenant dead ni their tracks for months

fluid pebble Feb 22, 2019, 3:44 AM

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If you think ONI is bad i recommend the imperial inquisition

last anchor Feb 22, 2019, 3:44 AM

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Maybe even years in some cases

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PFFF Oh man.

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ONI wishes they could get on the Inquisitions level

hallow oyster Feb 22, 2019, 3:45 AM

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youll have to refresh my memory

last anchor Feb 22, 2019, 3:45 AM

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Serin Osman: You don't want to make an enemy of us.
Lord Inquisitor Kryptman: Funny, I cant hear you over the sound of (voice drowned out in multiple Exterminatus)

hallow oyster Feb 22, 2019, 3:45 AM

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I feel like this is warhammer

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am I wrong?

gilded mason Feb 22, 2019, 3:45 AM

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It is 40K, yes.

hallow oyster Feb 22, 2019, 3:46 AM

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ah

fluid pebble Feb 22, 2019, 3:46 AM

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They are counter intuitive to fight the UNSC’s goals. And the other evil crap that do. But on a pure functionary level, they battle the UNSC’s goals all the slagging time. Most note worthy is trying to poison sangheilios’s crops with gene modified crops while the UNSC was trying and succeeding in actual piece

hallow oyster Feb 22, 2019, 3:46 AM

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strategic value absolute

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I heard about that

fluid pebble Feb 22, 2019, 3:47 AM

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The inquisition kills entire planets on a regular basis PHD9

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For the sake of a single secret

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Or 3

unique rune Feb 22, 2019, 3:47 AM

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I mean. The genetically modified crops and livestock were a backup in the event that peace could not be achieved.

hallow oyster Feb 22, 2019, 3:47 AM

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Oh I know 40k is insane

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no doubt about it

fluid pebble Feb 22, 2019, 3:47 AM

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Ok good. Ping me anytime you got lore questions. Im going to make some food so be back in 3 min

hallow oyster Feb 22, 2019, 3:48 AM

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have fun

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At the end of the day.. Im just happy to see Spartan IIIs again

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they've always been my favorite generation

fluid pebble Feb 22, 2019, 3:53 AM

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Why?

hallow oyster Feb 22, 2019, 3:54 AM

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I don't know. I really liked the story of Alpha, Beta, and Gamma company (I really liked Ghosts of Onyx)

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and just the overall purpose of IIIs and how they were used.

fluid pebble Feb 22, 2019, 3:55 AM

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I like their armor but overall its a sad tale

hallow oyster Feb 22, 2019, 3:56 AM

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Agreed.

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I kinda like the more sad stories though

fluid pebble Feb 22, 2019, 3:58 AM

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I know why you like 40k then hahahaha

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What about the tale of halsey then? Her life story is die hard

hallow oyster Feb 22, 2019, 4:10 AM

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I actually haven't read that one yet

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I know about her and Keyes and parts of how she felt during the training of the IIs

fluid pebble Feb 22, 2019, 4:10 AM

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Its not a book hahah

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I mean the overall history of halsey

hallow oyster Feb 22, 2019, 4:11 AM

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I didnt know what word to use lol

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I havent heard it yet

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what are some examples?

fluid pebble Feb 22, 2019, 4:14 AM

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She feels guilt over what she has done to the kids, especially guilt tripping them. What she had done to the wash outs. How she is blamed as a scape goat by ONI instead of the three other people who got off scot free because they blamed her. Also lost her daughter and could never be with lord hood

hallow oyster Feb 22, 2019, 4:14 AM

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oh yeah

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I remember the guilt thing. I don't blame her though. That's probably not an easy thing to have in your mind

fluid pebble Feb 22, 2019, 4:16 AM

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The only bad thing about her is she was actually willing to do the spartan project, and is so slagging arrogant and snobby most the time

hallow oyster Feb 22, 2019, 4:17 AM

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I mean she had humanities best interests in mind for the most part

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she knew it had to be done

fluid pebble Feb 22, 2019, 4:18 AM

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Yeah after the covvies showed up

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Her best interests before that was success with science

hallow oyster Feb 22, 2019, 4:18 AM

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True..

fluid pebble Feb 22, 2019, 4:19 AM

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Still id forgive her for most the past. Parongaoksy and osman need to die

hallow oyster Feb 22, 2019, 4:20 AM

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lmao

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they are not nice people thats for sure

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ONI was generally justified in their actions during the war in terms of keeping humanity on top, but I feel like post war they're just out to destroy anything that isn't human

fluid pebble Feb 22, 2019, 4:22 AM

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During the war their paranoia was needed. That paranoia is, always assume worst case scenario

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They do a lot of uneeded things

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All the time

hallow oyster Feb 22, 2019, 4:24 AM

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So.. heres a question I thought of earlier. I was thinking about how people despise Reach and it's story because of how it doesn't exactly follow the fall of reach book

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And I thought, what if the book didn't exist?

fluid pebble Feb 22, 2019, 4:24 AM

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I didnt read the book because i was lazy

unique rune Feb 22, 2019, 4:25 AM

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If TFoR didn't exist, a lot about Halo's extended universe would probably be pretty different.

fluid pebble Feb 22, 2019, 4:25 AM

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Who cares we know what happens. The overall plot happens. Covvies find reach. Kill it. Spartans sent to help. Fail. Reach is glasses. Pillar of autumn ends up at halo 4

unique rune Feb 22, 2019, 4:26 AM

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big thronk

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CE doesn't mention Reach, does it?

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At least I don't remember it ever mentioning the planet...

gilded mason Feb 22, 2019, 4:26 AM

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CE doesn't mention Reach, does it?
It does

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They talk about being chased from Reach.

fluid pebble Feb 22, 2019, 4:27 AM

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Hahahaha

hallow oyster Feb 22, 2019, 4:27 AM

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I was just thinking that maybe if people looked at Reach in its own right, they'd like it more

unique rune Feb 22, 2019, 4:27 AM

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Ah, right, first cutscene, more or less.

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Forgot about that.

hallow oyster Feb 22, 2019, 4:27 AM

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separate it from the book kinda

fluid pebble Feb 22, 2019, 4:27 AM

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Heheheheheh

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Welp time for me to go fap then sleep

unique rune Feb 22, 2019, 4:29 AM

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I mean... a single mention of a planet that they're getting away from doesn't exactly imply much.
We know that they're on the run... and that's about it.

Without context from TFoR, for all we know, it could have been a backwater UNSC planet of little strategic value. We don't know what kind of battle happened over the planet, who was present aside from the Autumn and Covenant forces, and so on.

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Plus without TFoR, there likely wouldn't have been most of the backstory behind the Spartan-II program.

hallow oyster Feb 22, 2019, 4:31 AM

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I dont mind the other stuff

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just about reach specifically

unique rune Feb 22, 2019, 4:32 AM

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I mean, I'd still not really care for Reach's campaign.

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Nothing about it really grabbed me, aside from Jorge and the rest of the stuff surrounding the LNoS.

last anchor Feb 22, 2019, 5:44 AM

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Jorge was boss

vast mulch Feb 22, 2019, 9:58 AM

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how many books have you guys read?

obsidian thistle Feb 22, 2019, 10:15 AM

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Them all atm. Plus most of the external stuff.

versed helm Feb 22, 2019, 12:12 PM

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lmfao CIA never disappoints

warped fiber Feb 22, 2019, 12:42 PM

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Have to say the Novels that has come out during the last few years has been top notch

vague scroll Feb 22, 2019, 12:50 PM

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Quite a few of them have been pretty decisive from what I heard from the lore community but generally they haven't been too topsy-turvy

obsidian thistle Feb 22, 2019, 12:52 PM

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Gotta stay up to date so I can do my community job.

rugged grotto Feb 22, 2019, 1:30 PM

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will be releasing the lore tonight im working on :^)

versed helm Feb 22, 2019, 2:20 PM

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Where in the galaxy would the map Tyrant be located?

fluid pebble Feb 22, 2019, 2:20 PM

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Show me the map

versed helm Feb 22, 2019, 2:22 PM

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https://www.halopedia.org/Tyrant_(level)

fluid pebble Feb 22, 2019, 2:24 PM

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Ugh i cant show images one moment

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Tyrant is a Halo 5: Guardians multiplayer map, set in and around Site C, a Forerunner structure in the Zeta Hydronis Secundus system. The map is small-scale and symmetrical and was designed for the Capture the Flag and Assault gametypes. The map is ideal for both long and short range combat, with players being able to utilize both the Scattershot and Sniper rifle.[1] Tyrant was released with the Ghosts of Meridian update on April 6, 2016.

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Zeta hyrdronis secundus system

versed helm Feb 22, 2019, 2:26 PM

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Yeah but where in the galaxy is that system located

fluid pebble Feb 22, 2019, 2:26 PM

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Uhh first tell if its in human space, covvie space, or between

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That narrows it down

versed helm Feb 22, 2019, 2:27 PM

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Hmm...i think it did also that you can see the Andromeda galaxy in good detail

fluid pebble Feb 22, 2019, 2:28 PM

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Uhhh

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Go do you know its the andromeda galaxy?

versed helm Feb 22, 2019, 2:30 PM

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Could be

fluid pebble Feb 22, 2019, 2:31 PM

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What other galaxy could it be? The milky way?

versed helm Feb 22, 2019, 2:31 PM

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Nope

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Other than the Path Kethona expeditions and Bornstellar and the other surviving Forerunners feeling to an unknown galaxy,have the Forerunners ever visited other galaxies?

fluid pebble Feb 22, 2019, 2:33 PM

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Nope

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Space is too vast the librarian noted when going to the andromeda galaxy

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The time space differential makes it pointless

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Youd be so effing young while millions of years pass that there is no point she thought to herself

versed helm Feb 22, 2019, 2:37 PM

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Speaking of Path Kethona,i still like to know,other than the planet where the Path Kethona Forerunners lived on,why was the rest of that satellite galaxy was devoid of all life?

fluid pebble Feb 22, 2019, 2:38 PM

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Is sol system inhabited by other life? Is most solar systems filled to the brim with life?

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Or is it the goldy lox zone?

strong sage Feb 22, 2019, 2:57 PM

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Do the marine corps use/fielded colossus as part of their arsenal and ground support walker or only the army used em?

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And uhh with the introduction of broadsword are they gonna stop and replace the longswords?

vivid dust Feb 22, 2019, 2:59 PM

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Nah I think they coexist

brisk cape Feb 22, 2019, 3:14 PM

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Broadswords would be like the F35 while the Longswords are more like B2s. As far as I can tell anyways.

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Different roles and munitions capacity.

vague scroll Feb 22, 2019, 6:38 PM

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Alright I got to step in here... @versed helm @fluid pebble we don't know how large Covenant and Human space is in the Halo series, all we really know is that only a small amount of the galaxy, assumed to just be the Orion Arm has been colonized and explored. There is a lot of unknown space and pinpointing where Tyrant is at all is a huge unknown.

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@brisk cape Broadswords fill a general strike fighter role and are generally more agile than older Longswords. However, Longswords fill a multi-capable role as an interceptor, bomber, and fighter role depending on the mod kit that its being used since we know of at least 3 different variants of the Longsword. C709, C712, and SSA-110 or whatever the UNSC Air Force calls it. My copy of the Spartan manual isn't in front of me so not a perfect memory.

last anchor Feb 22, 2019, 8:03 PM

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Tryants in the Zeta Hydronis Secundus system, which sounds like a human designation for something. Fits with the others. Eridanus, Zeta Dorandus, etc

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So if I had to guess its probably out about where Onyx is/was

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Onyx WAS Zeta Dorandus right?

vague scroll Feb 22, 2019, 9:17 PM

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@last anchor Onyx was in Zeta Dorandus

last anchor Feb 22, 2019, 9:17 PM

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Thought so

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So Tyrant is most likely in about the same area of space but further from Onyx

vague scroll Feb 22, 2019, 9:17 PM

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But Zeta has nothing to do with the location of the star system...

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Dorandus does

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because that's a star constellation

last anchor Feb 22, 2019, 9:18 PM

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So Tyrant is the Hydronis constellation

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Wherever that might be

vague scroll Feb 22, 2019, 9:18 PM

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to be fair, star constellations are a really bad way to do stellar navigation since constellations aren't actually made up of stars in close proximity to one another

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the only reason why Constellations exist is because from their appears from Earth makes them look close by to one another though its not true at all

last anchor Feb 22, 2019, 9:19 PM

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And each star is its own individual thing yeah.

vague scroll Feb 22, 2019, 9:19 PM

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i mean stars in a constellation can be hundreds of light years apart

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or hundreds of thousands

obsidian thistle Feb 22, 2019, 9:20 PM

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Note: Our universe isnt 1 to 1 with Halos.

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So stars may not be where we expect

vague scroll Feb 22, 2019, 9:21 PM

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true but on top of that, it means that where people expect stars to be is not true either

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so saying we can pinpoint where a location like Tyrant is, is impossible at this time to lock down

obsidian thistle Feb 22, 2019, 9:21 PM

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Correct

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Warfleets map has also been called into question also. Sooo I have no idea what to believe.

vague scroll Feb 22, 2019, 9:22 PM

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Honestly, I really doubt 343i actually thought about where they put Tyrant in the universe - they might have a general idea written down on a sticky note or on the halo story bible at the office but its doubtful they'll go out of their way to give uas a specific spot.

obsidian thistle Feb 22, 2019, 9:23 PM

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Tbh I wish we had maps like Star Trek tbh

vague scroll Feb 22, 2019, 9:24 PM

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I wouldn't mind but at this time, since the location of many worlds and star systems are still in flux right now as the Halo universe as a whole, I'd like for them to set somethings in concrete first.

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Tacit Axiom's Orion maps I think are an okay place to start.

last anchor Feb 22, 2019, 9:24 PM

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I dont think they will just yet...

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Probably for the very reason you said. Putting anything solid means they cant adjust later on

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They said that a couple times in streams

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I can live with it for now.

obsidian thistle Feb 22, 2019, 9:26 PM

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However solid stuff can also add to stories. Its a mixed bag tbh

stoic peak Feb 23, 2019, 3:37 AM

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Has any one got a picture of Buck saying "You ever fall for a woman? Make sure she's got balls" i wanna use it in a conversation i am having at the moment lol

hallow oyster Feb 23, 2019, 3:38 AM

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I can try and find it

carmine frost Feb 23, 2019, 3:40 AM

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I'd suggest finding the exact dialogue and pasting it onto a pic from him. Should be pretty easy.

stoic peak Feb 23, 2019, 4:23 AM

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@hallow oyster that would be great

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@carmine frost i am not very smart and have no idea how lol

lime belfry Feb 23, 2019, 5:05 AM

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what if sgt dude didn't die

hollow sleet Feb 23, 2019, 5:30 AM

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there's no way Sgt. Johnson would come back after a wound that 343 GS gave him, lol.

lime belfry Feb 23, 2019, 5:32 AM

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shhhh

limpid kernel Feb 23, 2019, 6:48 AM

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The "wound" barely left a dent in johnson, he was just acting. He's actually invincible

terse eagle Feb 23, 2019, 8:17 AM

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Well if hes deas then explain him being in the final cutscene

versed helm Feb 23, 2019, 9:01 AM

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who are the midget things that look like they have a lump on their back?

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they have a jump on their back

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grunts right?

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what do they eat?

brisk cape Feb 23, 2019, 1:26 PM

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Yes, Grunts or Unggoy. They eat mostly seafood( the Unggoy equivalent anyways) but have been known to eat meat and humans such as on Draco III and the lump is a methane tank so that they can breathe outside of methane rich atmospheres.

runic furnace Feb 23, 2019, 2:01 PM

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Technically fish is meat. And for unggoy humans are just meat that shoots back.

brisk cape Feb 23, 2019, 2:07 PM

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lol yeah, but by meat I meant more like beef, pork, chicken. In Legacy of Onyx, the Unggoy that I can’t remember her name, states that they eat pretty much anything, including human food.

feral perch Feb 23, 2019, 6:31 PM

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They're like crustaceans

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aka crabs, shrimp, lobster

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aka the cockroaches of the sea

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So it makes sense

last anchor Feb 23, 2019, 6:45 PM

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Roaches arent crustasions tho

thin patrol Feb 23, 2019, 7:27 PM

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Cockroaches of the sea refer to lobsters

feral perch Feb 23, 2019, 8:08 PM

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Close enough

upper star Feb 23, 2019, 8:55 PM

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Hey long time no chat...is it too late to talk about renegades?

obsidian thistle Feb 23, 2019, 8:56 PM

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#485883236430512168 at the moment @upper star thanks for checking first however

versed helm Feb 24, 2019, 1:58 AM

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the covenants

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where do they come from?

versed helm Feb 24, 2019, 2:36 AM

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fun fact: the whole human-covenant war started when the humans won a game of uno

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XD tru

subtle depot Feb 24, 2019, 2:39 AM

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@versed helm the covenant formed initially when the prophets encountered the elites. Over time they assimilated more races until they became the covenant we know them as. First contact happened at harvest in 2525 when they declared holy war on humanity in the names of the forerunners. Hope that helps and if you need more info on a specific species use halopedia or such

rugged grotto Feb 24, 2019, 8:38 AM

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So how does one send photo or videos

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i wanted to post the lroe i'm making

versed helm Feb 24, 2019, 9:35 AM

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Post a link to it after uploading it somewhere like twitter Facebook or Instagram

rugged grotto Feb 24, 2019, 9:37 AM

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okie doke

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I present

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rip, keeps deleting my name for it

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:I

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This thing!

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/273891868347990017/549161075812204563/SarMkIc.png

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and the Irl counterpart

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Why though, why delete

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cant post the irl pic of it under construction

rugged grotto Feb 24, 2019, 10:40 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/273891868347990017/549165610467196928/IMG_20190224_044656.jpg

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finally able to post it

pallid tide Feb 24, 2019, 5:13 PM

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A bit more of a silly question b ut

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is the covenant tech more evolved due to being developed longer than human tech
or did they just come up with different solutions to the same problems we faced

carmine sleet Feb 24, 2019, 5:16 PM

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Covenant tech is based off of recovered Forerunner tech from sources such as the Forerunner Dreadnaught Keyship that the Prophets had on their homeworld and other bits of tech they've found over the years

pallid tide Feb 24, 2019, 5:17 PM

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So they kinda had a jumpstart on plasma based weapons

gilded mason Feb 24, 2019, 5:17 PM

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Though for Sangheili, they developed space travel many thousands of years before humans and without the use of Forerunner tech

pallid tide Feb 24, 2019, 5:17 PM

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on a less serious note, did the covenant ever have the internet

gilded mason Feb 24, 2019, 5:17 PM

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They’d have to

pallid tide Feb 24, 2019, 5:18 PM

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Ok good

carmine sleet Feb 24, 2019, 5:18 PM

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Aye, that is true, the Elites did create their own stuff without reverse engineering Forerunner tech

pallid tide Feb 24, 2019, 5:19 PM

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and they probably solved problems differently from how we did

carmine sleet Feb 24, 2019, 5:20 PM

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And the Jackals were likely similar to the Elites in that they developed their own technology before they encountered the Covenant

pallid tide Feb 24, 2019, 5:21 PM

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Interesting

last anchor Feb 24, 2019, 5:41 PM

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The Jackals eagerly stole anything that wasnt nailed down as well so

remote spruce Feb 24, 2019, 5:47 PM

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jackals with stolen binary rifles

last anchor Feb 24, 2019, 5:48 PM

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Give it time

feral perch Feb 24, 2019, 5:51 PM

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Jackal Snipers should not return

remote spruce Feb 24, 2019, 5:51 PM

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Promethean Soldier snipers though, they should return

last anchor Feb 24, 2019, 5:55 PM

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They will, I have no doubt of that

carmine sleet Feb 24, 2019, 5:56 PM

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I don't see how whether or not Jackal Snipers should return is relevant to talking lore

remote spruce Feb 24, 2019, 5:59 PM

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jackals are known to be blood thirsty therefore cannot be that good at one hit kills

carmine sleet Feb 24, 2019, 6:04 PM

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I mean, a bloodthirsty sniper can be a thing

modest marsh Feb 24, 2019, 6:09 PM

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I don’t think a Jackal would be physically capable of using a Binary Rifle

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It’s too dang big

last anchor Feb 24, 2019, 6:10 PM

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Warzone Firefight says otherwise

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But I think some of them do have assisting armatures in their combat suits

gilded mason Feb 24, 2019, 6:11 PM

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Kig-Yar are like 6'2" to 6'8". I imagine plenty can do it.

modest marsh Feb 24, 2019, 6:11 PM

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I don’t remember Covenant using promethean weaponry in Warzone

carmine sleet Feb 24, 2019, 6:11 PM

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They do in Warzone Firefight on Darkstar

modest marsh Feb 24, 2019, 6:11 PM

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I don’t think a person could use a Binary Rifle

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https://i.imgur.com/ooObJrh.jpg

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It’s unreasonably large for a humanoid shape to feasibly use without being extraordinarily large

gilded mason Feb 24, 2019, 6:14 PM

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https://www.halopedia.org/images/6/6d/H5G-KigYarRanger%26Z750.png

modest marsh Feb 24, 2019, 6:14 PM

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Jackal soldiers are moderately larger than common humans, but I don’t think the difference is adequate enough to get the ergonomics right

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I think this is one of the cases where the weapon literally resizes the model so it fits properly, and even then you can see it’s physically impossible to hold correctly

gilded mason Feb 24, 2019, 6:16 PM

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Maybe it's Forerunner magic, where the weapon reshapes depnding on who holds it.

modest marsh Feb 24, 2019, 6:17 PM

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Yeah but presumably all of that used surface area is necessary

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Why would you deliberately make a gun a certain size if it could work just as well being smaller

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To that point, the Binary Rifle is also pretty dang heavy, and then there’s the issue of carrying a reasonable amount of ammo, since it’s loaded with a physical cartridge

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Wait

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Huh

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Apparently the Beam Rifle is even heavier

gilded mason Feb 24, 2019, 6:21 PM

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Well then.

carmine sleet Feb 24, 2019, 6:21 PM

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Could be because of how the weapon is energy based

modest marsh Feb 24, 2019, 6:22 PM

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Well it’s obviously because it’s constructed for/by Elites

carmine sleet Feb 24, 2019, 6:22 PM

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That's also true, since the Elites are much larger

modest marsh Feb 24, 2019, 6:22 PM

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Still, lugging around an 18kg rifle would be a pain

carmine sleet Feb 24, 2019, 6:23 PM

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Indeed

modest marsh Feb 24, 2019, 6:23 PM

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The M82 .50cal AMR is “only” 14kg

obsidian thistle Feb 24, 2019, 9:17 PM

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Well the Archive Installation did a podcast interview with Troy Denning recently (writer of a few Halo books). I am thinking it might interest a couple here.
https://twitter.com/ArchiveInstall/status/1099435027098611712?s=19

The Archive Installation (@ArchiveInstall)

The long awaited podcast interview with @TDenningauthor is now out! Take a listen as @VentureJones discusses his latest Halo book, Silent Storm. https://t.co/x5Z6StfBCT

gilded mason Feb 24, 2019, 9:18 PM

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👌

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Does he talk about Nizat at all?

obsidian thistle Feb 24, 2019, 9:19 PM

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I'd need to listen to it again. As per usual with these I view them from a weird perspective of a wiki guy.

gilded mason Feb 24, 2019, 9:19 PM

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lol

rugged grotto Feb 24, 2019, 9:33 PM

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It is done my child

turbid lintel Feb 24, 2019, 9:40 PM

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^what's that?

versed helm Feb 24, 2019, 9:41 PM

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@rugged grotto that would go in #471727324895641651

rugged grotto Feb 24, 2019, 9:50 PM

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whoops

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my bad lol

hoary hemlock Feb 24, 2019, 9:56 PM

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I’ve got a question for y’all

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What the heck is the mantle of responsibility

gilded mason Feb 24, 2019, 9:57 PM

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It's the idea that your species should be the rulers of the galaxy and should control everyone else "for their own good"

hoary hemlock Feb 24, 2019, 9:57 PM

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Oh

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Thx

maiden flare Feb 24, 2019, 10:46 PM

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Basically Europe during the 1800s

royal spear Feb 25, 2019, 12:07 AM

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Hey now, we said we're sorry

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 1:56 AM

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I mean, when you put it as blatantly like that is sounds almost purely evil - there is justification for it.

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From a positive standpoint, it's less about entitlement to rule and more about moral obligation. If you have the power to make things better, why shouldn't you?

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Y'know, some real Uncle Ben stuff.

brisk cape Feb 25, 2019, 1:57 AM

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Imperial peace. They can’t threaten anyone if they don’t have an army or soldiers.

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 1:58 AM

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But as the old Earth-first UNSC-or-nothing humanity heck-yeah Halo fan I am, I can't help but see it as the Forerunners trying to be clingy and exert control even past their expiry.

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Even though they're not around to directly lord it over everyone, they want the galaxy to carry on in a way that's nice and ordered by their standards.

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Personally, I say screw that - you take away competition and conflict and you remove the meaning of heroism and compassion. You also stagnate any kind of development beyond the Forerunner's tech level.

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But hey, I reckon the Forerunners were sanctimonious <redacted>s in general, which is one of the reasons why I liked Halo 5's plot direction for setting humanity up in a battle against their ideology.

agile lotus Feb 25, 2019, 3:30 AM

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"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Benjamin Franklin

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To want Cortana’s galactic “peace” in which every species is subjugated and any objectors are exterminated, it’s basically imprisonment with a nice coat of paint.

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 3:37 AM

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More or less what the Mantle was before

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 3:41 AM

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As a human being, I'm naturally inclined to agree with that sentiment.

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But who knows - inter-species galactic unity may end up being of vital importance in the case of extra-galactic contact, something which seems outside the scope of Halo's story but does have some moral relevance.

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Especially when you start thinking about some of Halo's sp00kiest lore avenues, like the meddler theories, or what the exact nature of the Gravemind actually is.

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From that lens, maybe the Forerunners didn't go far enough. Perhaps instead of lording it over everyone, they should have bridged the species barrier and tried to make every species in the galaxy into a singular society of unbelievable power.

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 3:47 AM

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Sorta kinda like what the Flood said it would do?
"Join your voice in mine and sing victory everlasting."

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 3:47 AM

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That's a good point.

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You really cut to the core of what I was kinda mentally skirting around.

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 3:50 AM

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Do you become the devil you fight to try and win...or do you maintain yourself and possibly loose

agile lotus Feb 25, 2019, 5:16 AM

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I much rather maintain myself with the possibility of losing, if it means a brighter future in victory.

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@versed helm If everything’s (insert homogenized society/species), then what chaos could result from that?

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 5:33 AM

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That's exactly my point - chaos, or competition at least, fuels advancement.

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So if you effectively tame the galaxy, bring everything into a state of safety, aren't you basically giving up? At least until some extragalactic threat is observed, in which case unity becomes essential.

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The act of moving forwards as an entity is framed by your ability to compete, then unify with your competition once you win to face the next round.

agile lotus Feb 25, 2019, 6:35 AM

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You can’t start a fire without some sort of fuel.

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Even if Cortana is defeated, there’ll still be the issues of the Insurrectionists, the remaining Covenant Factions, the Banished, and even unknown threats.

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 6:41 AM

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Obviously in the UNSC's specific case, without thousands of years more advancement and struggle, total galactic taming of the sort the Forerunners achieved and the mantle requires aren't achievable.

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And that, for all its horror, is ultimately a good thing.

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And it's a facet of Cortana's villainy that she'd deprive us of it.

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 6:41 AM

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Agreed

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 6:42 AM

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But once the UNSC gets the capabilities to achieve the mantle - be it inheriting Cortana's power, some other Forerunner capabilities or even just of its own volition, I hope they reject the idea of the mantle.

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And by UNSC I mean, whoever's running humanity's show when it becomes relevant.

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I hope it's the UNSC.

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And not just because the mantle's immoral, but because it creates stagnancy and vulnerability.

gilded mason Feb 25, 2019, 6:43 AM

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If it does go by that name, hopefully they don't act the same.

agile lotus Feb 25, 2019, 6:43 AM

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I feel like the UNSC could use the Forerunner tech to slingshot themselves to Ancient Humanity status.

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 6:44 AM

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That was, I believe, the Librarians wish

agile lotus Feb 25, 2019, 6:44 AM

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Still, I think we all prefer the grungy Humanity look of the UNSC.

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 6:44 AM

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The Created are a bit of a stumbling block so

gilded mason Feb 25, 2019, 6:44 AM

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Pretty naive of her, really.

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 6:44 AM

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Wishes and naievity dont go hand in hand. She knew it would be difficult, that it might fail.

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As Spark says, her best skill lay in letting the peices fall and standing back

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She was the planner

agile lotus Feb 25, 2019, 6:45 AM

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She’d be naive if she thought it would’ve gone without a hitch.

gilded mason Feb 25, 2019, 6:45 AM

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And yet, part of her planning had hitched on the Didact being willing to help humanity.

agile lotus Feb 25, 2019, 6:45 AM

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Bad intel, I guess.

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 6:46 AM

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I think humanity will only have truly ascended once they find a way to continue using conventional ballistic ammo for literally the rest of eternity.

agile lotus Feb 25, 2019, 6:46 AM

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Although I don’t remember a planet being glassed during the Librarian’s time.

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 6:46 AM

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A gun that teleports the bullet INSIDE someone

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 6:46 AM

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Literally just fighting Forerunners with 7.62mm ammo

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That's how UNSC works

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 6:46 AM

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If it aint freaking broke...

agile lotus Feb 25, 2019, 6:47 AM

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Using super railguns to snipe enemy ships with .50cal bullets.

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 6:48 AM

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Bullets traveling just like .001 under the speed of ligh

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 6:48 AM

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The fact that the UNSC still uses good ol' bullet ammunition in the face of all the fancy-schmancy bull other sci-fi thinks we'll have - super-duper flachette guns and coil-rifles and such - is one of the things that makes them so appealing.

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They legitimately just don't give a toss.

agile lotus Feb 25, 2019, 6:49 AM

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“This ain’t no smoke and mirrors bull*!”

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 6:49 AM

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They've only been fighting other humans till now so

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And even then now we have crazy stuff like dudes in power armor that can hoist new weapons...

agile lotus Feb 25, 2019, 6:49 AM

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I’m paraphrasing Johnson, if that wasn’t apparent.

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 6:49 AM

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I think we'll see an explosion of ordinance

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 6:50 AM

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Oh, I'm familiar with the reasoning behind the UNSC's arsenal, and I agree with it.

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It wouldn't surprise me if, 500 years from now assuming humanity doesn't become ultra-militarized, we're still seeing dudes running around with guns shooting recognizable bullets.

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Especially given a relatively extended period of peace and a lack of need for nations to compete.

agile lotus Feb 25, 2019, 6:51 AM

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Basically if Humanity doesn’t become America 2.0

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 6:51 AM

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Long as we can find metal in planets, we'll keep making bullets

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What drives them will be the fancy thing, but lets be real, hitting omething with a bullet WORKS

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 6:51 AM

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And as long as the UNSC exists, it'll make everything from spaceships to underpants out of Titanium-Alloy.

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That's the other big UNSC meme. Everything is Titanium-A.

agile lotus Feb 25, 2019, 6:52 AM

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You think the recoil of a real Rifle feels satisfying? Maybe that’s why bullets are still in fashion?

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 6:53 AM

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I think bullets are in fashion today because, y'know, we don't really need anything better.

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We could probably make fancy self-guided flachettes at absurd cost.

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 6:53 AM

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They have. And gyrocs. Self-targeting smart rounds.

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Laser guided bullets with fins

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 6:53 AM

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But we don't have the energy storage needed for, y'know, coilguns.

agile lotus Feb 25, 2019, 6:53 AM

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Or just make everything Dragon’s Breath.

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 6:53 AM

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~~Soft points for DAYS~~

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 6:54 AM

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If anyone ever talks smack about the UNSC being anachronistic and ineffective compared to modern armed forces, just say "compact fusion reactors" and laugh in their face.

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 6:55 AM

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(Points to the damage an 8 gauge magnum shell does to "advanced" Sangheili armor and Forerunner hard light)

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The simple answer; hit it harder

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 6:55 AM

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Ye

agile lotus Feb 25, 2019, 6:55 AM

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Isn’t the shell type that the Shotgun uses illegal or something?

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 6:56 AM

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But think about it - we have the understanding in the modern day we need to do so, so much - the one problem is energy.

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 6:56 AM

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By our standards, yes. 8 gauges are used to stop trucks.
The sniper rifle also fires a Russian anti tank carterage

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 6:56 AM

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Fusion power, however - totally safe, almost totally clean, almost limitless potential.

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 6:56 AM

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And the Railgun would probably be completely illegal and immoral for the sheer ballistic damage it could do

agile lotus Feb 25, 2019, 6:56 AM

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Oh, don’t forget, there’s stuff like The Answer and the Nornfang.

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 6:56 AM

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Hehehe. Also Hydra rounds which are airburst

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 6:57 AM

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Make a fusion generator small enough to fit in a suit of armour or a compact railgun, and you're an advanced species.

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But it is a pretty good meme that the UNSC loves making explosive versions of every bullet they have.

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I'm sure I don't need to make you aware that The Answer implies that the UNSC has access to what are, most likely, 7.62mm High-Explosive rounds. That is getting somewhere near the realms of "enough dakka".

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 6:58 AM

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I have been discussing that with someone in a nother forum. We were trying to use the weapon combinatio glitch to make a Bolter

agile lotus Feb 25, 2019, 6:59 AM

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If weapon glitches were canon, then LMG Rocket Launchers exist.

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 6:59 AM

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That means you could in theory load HE ammo into something like an MA5.

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 7:00 AM

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not even in theory. Explosive ammo is canon as of Envoy

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DMRs can take it. That means ARs can

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 7:00 AM

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Oh yea, I forgot about that!

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 7:00 AM

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Also the magnum fies SAP-HE

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Semi-armor piercing high explosive

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 7:00 AM

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I wonder if the DMRs in-game are supposed to universally make use of that, since they have way higher damage per shot than the SAW or AR.

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Or if they have some other kind of hard-hitting M118 round.

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Or maybe gameplay's just not be taken seriously here.

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 7:01 AM

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Probably do. I imagine an M118 "match" magnum round.
And yes, gameplay is not canon

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The MA5 is far FAR more effective than in gameplay. It can and will take down an Elite with one mag easily

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And its range is well into the hundreds of meters

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 7:02 AM

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I mean, the M118 was used in sniper rifles, right? Like, in real life?

agile lotus Feb 25, 2019, 7:02 AM

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It’s an automatic rifle, not a full auto pistol.

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 7:02 AM

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So even if it's literally a modern day M118 round, you could probably snipe with an MA5 using only its projection sight.

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 7:02 AM

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Easily

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 7:02 AM

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Takes point suppression to a whole new level.

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 7:02 AM

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7.62x51 is a big BIG round.

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Most ARs today fire 5.56. 7.62 is battle rifle ammo

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Which makes the BR even funnier since it fires nearly 10mm ammo which is GIGANTIC for any service rifle

agile lotus Feb 25, 2019, 7:03 AM

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Big boy bullets.

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 7:03 AM

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And Im fairly certain I read somewhere that there is a 6 gauge shotgun

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6

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Gauge

agile lotus Feb 25, 2019, 7:05 AM

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Wow.

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Wouldn’t a Dragon’s Breath Shotgun be essentially the best answer for the Flood?

modest marsh Feb 25, 2019, 7:06 AM

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8 gauge shotgun

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 7:06 AM

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Yes. Incindiary ordinance would work spectacularly against the flood.
Thermobaric and defoliant equipment is cleared under Biohazard protocol omega

modest marsh Feb 25, 2019, 7:06 AM

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Also, while the 9.5mm used by the battle rifle is wider, it’s also on the shorter side

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 7:06 AM

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Y'know, despite common approximation, flame has never really been that effective against the Flood in-game, which is kinda funny.

agile lotus Feb 25, 2019, 7:07 AM

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Flamethrower on Floodgate

modest marsh Feb 25, 2019, 7:07 AM

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Plasma weapons are highly effective

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 7:07 AM

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Oh it wouldnt kill them faster.
But it would mean they wouldnt spread and couldnt get back up, which the games show rather nicely

agile lotus Feb 25, 2019, 7:07 AM

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Glassing

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 7:07 AM

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The Halo 3 flamethrower is hideously ineffective, and hellbringers just get chewed up in Halo Wars.

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 7:07 AM

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Plasma

modest marsh Feb 25, 2019, 7:07 AM

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Flood can regenerate their wounds provided they have the biomass

agile lotus Feb 25, 2019, 7:07 AM

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Burns the bodies into unworkable pieces.

modest marsh Feb 25, 2019, 7:08 AM

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Burning them eliminates this advantage

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 7:08 AM

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If I was ever in charge of a Halo movie, I think I'd use the scientific realities of what plasma burns would be like to shock the audience.

agile lotus Feb 25, 2019, 7:08 AM

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It’s a detail in the books.

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 7:09 AM

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You could really build a sense of horror by showing just how freaking horrible all these Covenant weapons actually are on regular humans.

modest marsh Feb 25, 2019, 7:09 AM

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I liked that moment in FUD where the school director gets a few needle shards in the back, falls, and explodes into gore

agile lotus Feb 25, 2019, 7:09 AM

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Needlers.

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 7:09 AM

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Precisely.

agile lotus Feb 25, 2019, 7:09 AM

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Energy Swords.

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 7:10 AM

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Gravity hammers.

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Fuel-rod weapons.

agile lotus Feb 25, 2019, 7:10 AM

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Don’t Fuel-Rods use depleted uranium rods or something like that?

carmine sleet Feb 25, 2019, 7:10 AM

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They do

modest marsh Feb 25, 2019, 7:10 AM

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They’re radioactive

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 7:10 AM

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The scary thing about the Covenant is how consciously terror is worked into their battlefield tactics. They don't try blend in - they wear their armour like a medieval knight, showing off their colours. All their weapons are so horrifically grizzly it's insane.

modest marsh Feb 25, 2019, 7:10 AM

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Which means they’re not depleted

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 7:11 AM

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Clearly the Covenant military doctrine is orientated entirely around terror.

agile lotus Feb 25, 2019, 7:11 AM

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I mean, their war efforts were to quell rebellions, not fight a war.

modest marsh Feb 25, 2019, 7:11 AM

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I also don’t think it’s uranium, fuel rods consist of some type of incendiary gel that is highly radioactive

agile lotus Feb 25, 2019, 7:11 AM

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Although I guess you don’t need to worry about terror when you don’t follow the Geneva Conventions.

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 7:12 AM

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Maybe it's just because they both shoot green bolts, but I feel there is probably some interrelationship between the carbine and the fuel rod cannnon.

modest marsh Feb 25, 2019, 7:12 AM

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Also it’s important to remember that fuel rods aren’t even supposed to be used on infantry because they’re such overkill to use one

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 7:12 AM

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Especially considering that they're both characterized by radiation.

agile lotus Feb 25, 2019, 7:13 AM

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It was a disproven myth that Carbines eject radiation.

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That was just a cover-up for Johnson’s augments.

modest marsh Feb 25, 2019, 7:13 AM

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All Covenant weapons feature some form of radiological element

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Nah that’s not what that was

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 7:13 AM

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Some do, some dont

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Needlers just go boom but they're bad enough as they are

agile lotus Feb 25, 2019, 7:14 AM

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Boron’s Syndrome given by Carbine Radiation.

modest marsh Feb 25, 2019, 7:14 AM

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That was from plasma grenades allegedly

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 7:14 AM

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Wasn't it supposedly from plasma grenades?

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Aye

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 7:14 AM

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An entire crate utilized on Paris IV yes

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 7:14 AM

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Also, this is from Halopedia on the carbine "This weapon utilizes 8.7×60mm caseless radioactive projectiles; this ammunition can come in a number of compositions, but the Covenant primarily employ an extremely toxic compound mined from a radioactive moon in the Sangheili's star system,"

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 7:15 AM

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Yep

agile lotus Feb 25, 2019, 7:15 AM

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Color me surprised.

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 7:15 AM

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So the Covenant carbine is like a space version of English hundred years war archers poisoning the tips of their arrows.

modest marsh Feb 25, 2019, 7:15 AM

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Mind you, the type of radiation coming from their weapons likely aren’t gamma waves

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 7:15 AM

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Something else. Something nastier

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It apperently cooks its victims from the inside out if they dont die instantly

modest marsh Feb 25, 2019, 7:16 AM

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Well in the case of projectile based weapons, gamma radiation isn’t useful

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 7:17 AM

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Isn't Halo lovely? 😛

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 7:18 AM

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Its amazing, its gritty, its big, its bold, and its got stuff that most series skirt around or ignore and it all feels realistic.
God I love it so

terse eagle Feb 25, 2019, 7:19 AM

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Anyone know what type of ammo the scorpion fires?

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Like heat fs or apdsfs

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Hefs

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Aphe

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Ap

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Idk

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 7:21 AM

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It can vary in canon

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Heh. Canon

terse eagle Feb 25, 2019, 7:21 AM

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Lol

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But im kinda curious

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 7:22 AM

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All we know is some kind of 90mm tungston shell

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So probably solid shot, or heavy core penetrator

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Also canister shells

terse eagle Feb 25, 2019, 7:22 AM

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Because 90mm seems small for 500 years of advancement isnt great

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 7:23 AM

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The Scorpion's technically a "light" tank.

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Even though its called an MBT

terse eagle Feb 25, 2019, 7:23 AM

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Really?

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Huh

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 7:23 AM

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The new one, the M820, mounts a 150mm

terse eagle Feb 25, 2019, 7:23 AM

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Ahhh

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 7:23 AM

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And the Grizzly mounts either a 120 or something bigger

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Im thinking a 200mm

agile lotus Feb 25, 2019, 7:23 AM

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Realistically, could someone be stabbed by a full mag’s worth of Needler spikes right off the Needler, and have that supercombine?

terse eagle Feb 25, 2019, 7:23 AM

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Would a scorpion chassies anti vehicle weapon be smart

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 7:24 AM

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(Imagines a Scorpion mounted mini MAC)
Yes. Yes it would

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Mind you the UNSC had the cobra for basically that same job

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And also the Gauss Hog

terse eagle Feb 25, 2019, 7:24 AM

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Ik

modest marsh Feb 25, 2019, 7:24 AM

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I think the shards themselves need to be energized before they’re volatile

terse eagle Feb 25, 2019, 7:24 AM

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But scorpion is really durable

modest marsh Feb 25, 2019, 7:24 AM

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Also width is overrated

terse eagle Feb 25, 2019, 7:24 AM

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And can take a punch

modest marsh Feb 25, 2019, 7:25 AM

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A 90mm shell can be larger than a 150mm shell

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 7:25 AM

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Construction materials and filler as well

terse eagle Feb 25, 2019, 7:25 AM

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A minimac on a modified chassis would be possible

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 7:25 AM

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And I think I read somewhere the newer scorpions have magnetically accelerated barrels?

agile lotus Feb 25, 2019, 7:25 AM

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We’ve all gotten pretty good at shooting down banshees and phantoms with Scorpions, right?

terse eagle Feb 25, 2019, 7:25 AM

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Making it longer

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 7:25 AM

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Also, btw, 26th century 90mm shell.

modest marsh Feb 25, 2019, 7:25 AM

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Neither are ideal for a real tank shell but it’s fictional so w/e

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 7:25 AM

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Probably packs every bit as much punch as it needs to.

terse eagle Feb 25, 2019, 7:26 AM

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My theory is that they use a small canister of deplete uranium for that he filler

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 7:26 AM

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150mm M990 electrothermal-chemical smoothbore cannon

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Thats what the new scorpion mounts

terse eagle Feb 25, 2019, 7:26 AM

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Just a thought

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 7:26 AM

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That just sounds NASTY

terse eagle Feb 25, 2019, 7:26 AM

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Becausr

agile lotus Feb 25, 2019, 7:26 AM

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What does the Hannibal use?

modest marsh Feb 25, 2019, 7:27 AM

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According to its flavor text, it has equal firepower to the older cannon

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 7:27 AM

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Lazor

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Pew pew pew

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 7:27 AM

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Apparently Halopedia thinks the standard scorpion fires tungsten-cored APBC ammo.

modest marsh Feb 25, 2019, 7:27 AM

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Same with the gauss canon

terse eagle Feb 25, 2019, 7:27 AM

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Huh

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 7:27 AM

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That sounds about right honestly.

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 7:27 AM

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And obviously, they have access to canister rounds as an AP secondary.

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 7:27 AM

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Would make ssense...

agile lotus Feb 25, 2019, 7:27 AM

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What canon stuff do we have on the Grizzlies?

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 7:28 AM

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They're called "main funs"? xD

terse eagle Feb 25, 2019, 7:28 AM

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It probs has fins because aerodynamics

agile lotus Feb 25, 2019, 7:28 AM

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Main funs?

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 7:28 AM

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Here's the Halopedia page https://www.halopedia.org/M310_smooth-bore_high-velocity_cannon

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Apparently it fires HEAT rounds as standard

terse eagle Feb 25, 2019, 7:29 AM

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Well

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Also

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 7:29 AM

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And is 120mm

terse eagle Feb 25, 2019, 7:29 AM

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Is the warthogs chaingun 20mm or 12.7mm?

modest marsh Feb 25, 2019, 7:29 AM

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Varies

agile lotus Feb 25, 2019, 7:29 AM

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What differences are there between Scorpions and Grizzlies?

terse eagle Feb 25, 2019, 7:29 AM

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Halo 2

modest marsh Feb 25, 2019, 7:29 AM

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12.7 is the norm

terse eagle Feb 25, 2019, 7:29 AM

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I thing 7.7 ar minimum

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 7:29 AM

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Grizzly's are bigger and have two cannons instead of 1

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Also the MA5 fires 7.62x51mm NATO

modest marsh Feb 25, 2019, 7:30 AM

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They have an extra pair of treads

agile lotus Feb 25, 2019, 7:30 AM

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More gun

terse eagle Feb 25, 2019, 7:30 AM

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Do the scorpion and grizzly have composite armour, if so would explain durablity

modest marsh Feb 25, 2019, 7:31 AM

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They’re presumably made of Titanium A

terse eagle Feb 25, 2019, 7:31 AM

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Ok

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 7:31 AM

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It has been referred to as "ceramic composite" before

modest marsh Feb 25, 2019, 7:31 AM

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And possibly some other material

terse eagle Feb 25, 2019, 7:31 AM

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Ive always wondered about that

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 7:31 AM

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But the UNSC makes literally everything from varying degrees of Titanium Alloy so that's a safe bet.

modest marsh Feb 25, 2019, 7:31 AM

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That’d only apply to the exterior

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You can’t make a tank completely out of ceramics

terse eagle Feb 25, 2019, 7:32 AM

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I think the scorpions cheek gun is 20mm

agile lotus Feb 25, 2019, 7:32 AM

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Which was moved to a Gunner Seat.

modest marsh Feb 25, 2019, 7:32 AM

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I don’t think so

terse eagle Feb 25, 2019, 7:33 AM

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No i think i read up about it

agile lotus Feb 25, 2019, 7:33 AM

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Should we still have that gunner seat, or should it go back to CE and 2 style?

terse eagle Feb 25, 2019, 7:33 AM

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Both

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Cheek gun and mini turret

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Or like a option

modest marsh Feb 25, 2019, 7:33 AM

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Only the 3, 4, and Reach scorpions lack a coaxial gun

terse eagle Feb 25, 2019, 7:33 AM

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And maybe female and male thanks

modest marsh Feb 25, 2019, 7:33 AM

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Every other scorpion has one

terse eagle Feb 25, 2019, 7:34 AM

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Tanks*

agile lotus Feb 25, 2019, 7:34 AM

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Didn’t 5 as well?

modest marsh Feb 25, 2019, 7:34 AM

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The 5 has one but you can’t use it

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For gameplay reasons

agile lotus Feb 25, 2019, 7:34 AM

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Well that’s kinda dumb.

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 7:34 AM

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Well, you can check Halopedia - pretty sure, thinking of the Scorpion as a modular platform, you can have a max of 3 MGs on one model, either 7.62mm or 12.7mm.

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One co-axial, one on the chassis, one on top of the turret.

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Theoretically, you could have all three.

modest marsh Feb 25, 2019, 7:34 AM

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Both halo wars games and the mobile games also have coaxial guns on the scorp

terse eagle Feb 25, 2019, 7:34 AM

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Coaxle machine guns are better becausr you dont need an extra gunner

agile lotus Feb 25, 2019, 7:35 AM

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I kinda prefer the CoAxial.

terse eagle Feb 25, 2019, 7:35 AM

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Thata simple logic

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 7:35 AM

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I'm imagining like a super-urbanized Scorpion variation with literally every MG mount it can have.

terse eagle Feb 25, 2019, 7:35 AM

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I find it wierd that only 1 person can be in a scorpion

agile lotus Feb 25, 2019, 7:36 AM

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Have that but ONI.

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 7:36 AM

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Think of the Scorpion as a combat drone with human oversight.

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It's literally run by dumb AI.

terse eagle Feb 25, 2019, 7:36 AM

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Oh

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 7:36 AM

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Or a Spartan with a neural interface

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Single or two man crew depending on the model

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Plus gunner

agile lotus Feb 25, 2019, 7:36 AM

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coughcoughrvb

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 7:36 AM

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Any UNSC personnel with a neural interface can, I am relatively certain, operate the entire tank on their own.

terse eagle Feb 25, 2019, 7:37 AM

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Box scorpion eith frontal 40mm and 20mms on the side

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Sorry for mispells im on mobile

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 7:37 AM

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They can take manual control of any individual system, like driving or gunnery, or basically just take tactical control of the tank's automation.

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Presumably, depending on circumstances, you could originally expect a crew of 2 - personally, I think the MG gunner on models with a chassis turret can lower himself down into the chassis for protection, and are the 2nd crewman sometimes referred to in other instances.

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With such a heavy degree of automation and concise information control, even without an overruling control AI, 2 people could operate it effectively - gunner and driver.

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But the turret has been explicitly called unmanned, especially recently.

terse eagle Feb 25, 2019, 7:39 AM

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K gtg its 11pm

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 7:39 AM

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Night bru

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 7:43 AM

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Although it is pretty funny to me how lore keeps insisting that the Scorpion always has precisely 4 track riders.

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Looking at it, you could probably fit 3 guys and guyettes on each track pod.

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A bunch more sitting on top of the cabin if the gun's not moving.

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Get some real dank Red Army riding T-34s to victory vibes going on.

strong sage Feb 25, 2019, 7:45 AM

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Are scorpions armor that weak thou?

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Im really curious about that since they are made of titanium

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And since unsc ships are made of titanium as well i thought scorpions used same as starship grade armor

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 7:46 AM

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Also, in terms of the actual crew - in my headcanon, at least, a scorpion crew is typically 2 - basically a pilot and copilot, functionally. The reason for that, since the tank can clearly work basically optimally with only 1 operator, is the human factor. 2 in case one is incapacitated, 2 to talk to one another and keep one another sane, y'know?

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And nah, their armour ain't weak. Apparently it's notably quite strong.

strong sage Feb 25, 2019, 7:47 AM

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Owwwhhh i see

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 7:47 AM

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Were you thrown off by the T-34 comparison? 😛

strong sage Feb 25, 2019, 7:48 AM

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Is it possible in the future that unsc will use uhh forerunner materials as their armor?

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Yeah

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 7:48 AM

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The Scorpion in canon can shrug off far more than it can in gameplay

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Think closer to a tank from Battlefield. No ping damage is going to kill it

strong sage Feb 25, 2019, 7:48 AM

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But i seen debates where people said scorpions are weak asf

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 7:48 AM

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You need heavy ordinance to punch through.

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Railguns, rockets, sniper rifles in the engine block or cockpit, lasers, incin

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 7:49 AM

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There's a sorta idea in the Halo community that, considering how absolutely freakin' awesome the grizzly is, the scorpion seems unnecessary.

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The grizzly can do everything the scorpion can do - get airlifted, move fast - but it's also got a lot more firepower.

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 7:49 AM

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IMO the Scorpion is the air-liftable tank.
Its light, its fast, its tought enough to get th ejob done

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The Grizzly is the TRUE main battle tank of the UNSC, but its slow, heavy, and complicated.

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The Scorpion is the new Bradley/Stryker to the Grizzly's Abrams

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 7:50 AM

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Personally, I think the UNSC's best conceptualized as having Pelicans fill the role of an IFV

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 7:50 AM

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And they have their own working IFVs

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Like the Mastadon

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 7:51 AM

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With tanks being seen entirely differently - a main battle tank is a light, fast gun platform that can be deployed at a moment's notice, and what we'd see today as a main battle tank is a linebreaker.

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A desperate measure, one might say.

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Sax and electric guitar kicks in

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But yeah, the Army apparently has their conventional IFVs. But look at the Pelican - it can leave and enter atmosphere, it can carry gun platforms like the warthog and scorpion for infantry to use, it's equipped with a humungous freaking 70mm autocannon under the chin and rocket pods, it's resilient and well-armoured.

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It's perfect IFV material. But it can fly.

strong sage Feb 25, 2019, 7:53 AM

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I heard that grizzly when deployed, the covenant have to user starships to destroy em

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 7:53 AM

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Not quite

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 7:53 AM

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Often orbital assets have to be deployed is what I think either Halo Waypoint or the Halo Wars manual said

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 7:53 AM

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Also dont forget that the Pelican can mount Anvil-IV missile pods XD

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Because sometimes you just want things to GO AWAY

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 7:54 AM

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Damn-straight.

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 7:54 AM

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Please 343. Let us drive a Grizzly in Halo Infinite

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We got it in Spartan Assault and it was great

strong sage Feb 25, 2019, 7:54 AM

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Isnt that way a bit overkill deploying naval assets? Haha

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 7:54 AM

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Not when its the Covenant. They'll send in ships for darn near anything

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 7:54 AM

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Personally, if I was in charge of designing the UNSC for Halo Wars 3 if it happens, I'd make Pelicans a major UNSC mechanic. You'd have a stable of them you could equip and call in for various missions, not just a transport ability.

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 7:55 AM

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Pelican gun runs and air support

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Like a Larty from Star Wars

strong sage Feb 25, 2019, 7:55 AM

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I wanna pilot vultures as well ;-;

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 7:55 AM

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Sure, you can ferry squads from place to place in them - but give them missiles and you can designate armour for them to hit, or fully equip them as a gunship for a temporary vulture-like unit. Let em strafe infantry with their autocannons.

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You have like 3 of them in reserve and you spend resources throughout the game to equip them.

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It'd be so dank. The Pelican is criminally under-represented in Halo Wars.

strong sage Feb 25, 2019, 7:56 AM

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I’ve always dream of a planetside game but the halo version

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And the engagement will be om harvest

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 7:57 AM

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Oh my god that would be amazing

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Both of these ideas

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Actually imagine pelicans as like, air assets ala Wargame Red Dragon

strong sage Feb 25, 2019, 7:58 AM

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Yeah since harvest is the first battle between us n covvies

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 7:58 AM

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Precisely!

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That's exactly what I was getting at. Thanks Orca!

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 7:58 AM

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Maaannn a Red Dragon style Halo game would kick so much butt

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 7:59 AM

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It would. It really would.

strong sage Feb 25, 2019, 7:59 AM

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The closest we got is The trebuchet mod of Arma 3 😄

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 7:59 AM

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Operation Trebuchet is so badass.

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 8:00 AM

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True that. Wanna talk about effective pelican use

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 8:02 AM

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Like, how do you mean "effective pelican use?"

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Like, in Arma they're just MSPs. No guns - kinda meh ;-;

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In the lore, as I said, I interpret them as full-on all-in-one airborne IFVs - I think they're an awesome concept and I want to see more of them.

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Also, up-armoured Warthogs like in HW2 Blitz. I need 'dem!

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 8:04 AM

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I want a Laser Hog.
An M12 mounting 2-4 M6 Lasers on high-charge mounts

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Also, a "meat grinder": a hog mounting FOUR LAAGs

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Like a Zeus or one of those old school SPAAG

strong sage Feb 25, 2019, 8:07 AM

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That would be awesome xD

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 8:08 AM

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You mean the M16 GMC?

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The quad-fifty?

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The meat-hacker?

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 8:08 AM

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Yeah, but with three barrel vulcans

strong sage Feb 25, 2019, 8:08 AM

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In the mean time im still waiting for unsc to create strong weapons specifically for spartans maybe who knows which fires stronger rounds as oppossed to the trust old 7.62 xd

versed helm Feb 25, 2019, 8:09 AM

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Kinda like the MA2B

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Thing fired .390 rounds

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 8:09 AM

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Well the M6D was upsized for Spartan use

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And Im fairly certain that theres Spartan-only variations of most UNSC weapons

strong sage Feb 25, 2019, 8:10 AM

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How about uhh creating weapons like uh around bolter levels if ya guys know what i meant

last anchor Feb 25, 2019, 8:10 AM

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Oh I do. I just dont see it happening any time particularly soon, as Spartans work fine with normal UNSC weaponry.
That said, ATLAS-clas MJLONIR has intrinsic weaons coming down the pipe.
Ahem; ASSAULT CANNON

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~~Also wouldnt mind seeing a UNSC melee weapon like a thunder hammer~~