#lore-and-universe | Halo | Page 159

obsidian thistle Jan 28, 2019, 6:26 PM

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Kelly wore Mark V

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Fred and Linda wore armor with GEN2 underpinnings.

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Will however most likely wore basic Mark VI.

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https://www.halopedia.org/images/5/5c/Ih_onyx_cover.jpg

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So on this cover

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SPI = Unknown
Mark V = Kelly
Mark VI = Linda (unlikely if she wore her armor from the H2A terminals) or Will.

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And yes this means in First Strike Kelly changed her Mark V EVA to a generic Mark V helmet somewhere during the minor gear upgrades in the book.

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@severe elbow hope this helps ;)

fair hazel Jan 28, 2019, 7:12 PM

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I hope it is will

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It would go well with the will being in new mombassa too

obsidian thistle Jan 28, 2019, 7:13 PM

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Whom I suggested to Toa Freak it might be ;)

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Having Will in Mark VI fixes the Believe campaign plothole

carmine sleet Jan 28, 2019, 7:19 PM

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That video Toa made on that was great

obsidian thistle Jan 28, 2019, 7:28 PM

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Its based on something I kept saying for months

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Well years.

remote spruce Jan 28, 2019, 7:48 PM

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Will's armor is Mark VI scarred don't deny my head canon pls

obsidian thistle Jan 28, 2019, 7:59 PM

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I will deny all and confirm little.

remote spruce Jan 28, 2019, 8:02 PM

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Plz
Though the original context of GoO cover was that there weren't specific variations of armor? That's retconned after 3 but I guess the cover can still be canon.

obsidian thistle Jan 28, 2019, 8:05 PM

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Well SPI was in concept art for Halo 3

hushed prawn Jan 28, 2019, 8:52 PM

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hey guys i have a question

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was reach completely glassed?

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or only some of it?

carmine sleet Jan 28, 2019, 8:53 PM

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It was completely glassed

hushed prawn Jan 28, 2019, 8:53 PM

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ok

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so that brings flood infected reach spartans out of the question

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which would be pretty terrifying

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cause like 20 spartans died there

vague scroll Jan 28, 2019, 8:54 PM

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most of it was glassed

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and no, the Flood never touched Reach

hushed prawn Jan 28, 2019, 8:54 PM

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luckily

wispy bough Jan 28, 2019, 8:54 PM

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Was Reach completely glassed? It's a large planet.

vague scroll Jan 28, 2019, 8:54 PM

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It's more like 95%

hushed prawn Jan 28, 2019, 8:55 PM

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yeah that makes sense

vague scroll Jan 28, 2019, 8:55 PM

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It looked like a second sun in the skybox of that one Halo Reach multiplayer level set on Gamma Station

hushed prawn Jan 28, 2019, 8:55 PM

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and the fall of reach book has the planet completely glassed on the cover

vague scroll Jan 28, 2019, 8:56 PM

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That said, I should point out that the Flood can't infect something that's DNA has been incinerated by plasma - armor or not.

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when you're cooked to a crisp, you're cooked to a crisp

hushed prawn Jan 28, 2019, 8:56 PM

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yeah even if the armor did survive the humans inside would be mush

spiral jewel Jan 28, 2019, 8:56 PM

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So if 95% if reach was glassed, does that mean there is a small part still livable? Or could I be completed wrong?

vague scroll Jan 28, 2019, 8:56 PM

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very small patches

versed helm Jan 28, 2019, 8:57 PM

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They can just deglass it

hushed prawn Jan 28, 2019, 8:57 PM

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but that takes hundreds of years

vague scroll Jan 28, 2019, 8:57 PM

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deglassing is easier said than done

versed helm Jan 28, 2019, 8:57 PM

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Yep

vague scroll Jan 28, 2019, 8:57 PM

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It's pretty much trying to redevelop areas of land that have been overtaken by lava flood plains

spiral jewel Jan 28, 2019, 8:58 PM

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I thought deglassing a planet required terraforming?

hushed prawn Jan 28, 2019, 8:58 PM

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it does

vague scroll Jan 28, 2019, 8:58 PM

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terraforming is just a catch-all phrase to mean to make a planet "Earth-like"

hushed prawn Jan 28, 2019, 8:58 PM

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also i have another question

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after the war did spartans become able to be hired privately?

vague scroll Jan 28, 2019, 8:59 PM

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no

hushed prawn Jan 28, 2019, 8:59 PM

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because the security gen 2 armor seems to imply that

vague scroll Jan 28, 2019, 8:59 PM

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post-war, Spartan-grade augmentations could be hypothetically done if you're rich enough

hushed prawn Jan 28, 2019, 9:00 PM

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ok that makes sense

vague scroll Jan 28, 2019, 9:00 PM

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but there is no precedence in canon saying that there are privately-made Spartans

hushed prawn Jan 28, 2019, 9:00 PM

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they could also hire ‘retired’ spartans

vague scroll Jan 28, 2019, 9:00 PM

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ONI policy for "retired" Spartans is to remove their augmentations

hushed prawn Jan 28, 2019, 9:00 PM

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oh rip

obsidian thistle Jan 28, 2019, 9:00 PM

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Maria is an oddity

vague scroll Jan 28, 2019, 9:01 PM

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Maria-062 is an oddity, the better known one to look to is Randall-037

gilded mason Jan 28, 2019, 9:01 PM

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ONI policy for "retired" Spartans is to remove their augmentations
Even if it makes no sense?

severe elbow Jan 28, 2019, 9:02 PM

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Part of the problem to ONI with Randall was that he wasn't a UNSC civilian.

hushed prawn Jan 28, 2019, 9:02 PM

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it does make sense to remove their augmentations

gilded mason Jan 28, 2019, 9:02 PM

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I meant physically.

hushed prawn Jan 28, 2019, 9:02 PM

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they could turn against them

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oh yeah

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that’s true

vague scroll Jan 28, 2019, 9:02 PM

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@gilded mason depends on the Spartan

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SIIs are mostly cybernetic so it is possible that way

carmine sleet Jan 28, 2019, 9:02 PM

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They can remove some, just not the genetic augments if I recall correctly

vague scroll Jan 28, 2019, 9:02 PM

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SIVs are the same way

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SIIIs are an outlier.

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due to the mostly chemical based augs

gilded mason Jan 28, 2019, 9:03 PM

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Some of those augemtnations done simply can't be removed.

vague scroll Jan 28, 2019, 9:03 PM

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that is true

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gene therapy might help but to what extent we do not know

severe elbow Jan 28, 2019, 9:04 PM

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Randall getting his augmentations removed was also the compromise he made with ONI to get them to stop coming after him. He probably shouldn't necessarily be looked at as the standard.

vague scroll Jan 28, 2019, 9:05 PM

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Maybe not, but the way they intended to just kill him off if he didn't return was easily the most economically-feasible direction to take.

gilded mason Jan 28, 2019, 9:05 PM

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Nightfall is also the show with a new element being formed that only effects humans, and the UNSC can scan the entire universe for instances of it.

vague scroll Jan 28, 2019, 9:06 PM

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Nightfall has some rather wanky things about it, its got some nice worldbuilding to it, especially in its ancillary pieces, while also having some rather lame storytelling decisions.

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The ones you name are good examples of that.

remote spruce Jan 28, 2019, 9:15 PM

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I thought of it as ONI wanting to test something and figured if Randall wasn't going to rejoin then at least get some test results out of it

gilded mason Jan 28, 2019, 9:15 PM

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Time to test out Neural Physics!

vague scroll Jan 28, 2019, 9:16 PM

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kills people with the power of imagination

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its still wacky to think that the greatest power in the universe according to Halo is imagination

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by a technicality

last anchor Jan 28, 2019, 9:20 PM

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I mean the domain can do all kinds of crazy stuff so

vague scroll Jan 28, 2019, 9:21 PM

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well, its not just the Domain

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Abbadon is a creepy construct

gilded mason Jan 28, 2019, 9:22 PM

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Ain't a fan of Abbadon myself.

vague scroll Jan 28, 2019, 9:23 PM

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eh, the Precursors were always a weird concept in general

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how do you make gods for the gods of your fiction when your regular characters might as well be gods among men.

last anchor Jan 28, 2019, 9:47 PM

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Super Gods

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Its like how 40 has the warp, and then the super warp

clever fable Jan 28, 2019, 10:22 PM

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I'd be a fan of Abaddon if they'd have explained why he didn't just thought-vaporize someone that was about to put the key in. If he didn't want it to happen, he could have stopped the reboot.

royal spear Jan 28, 2019, 10:37 PM

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@vague scroll it kind of shows the hubris that every civilisation had and shows why the humans were ultimately picked for the mantle of responsibility because the forerunners were vain and it got them killed

vague scroll Jan 28, 2019, 10:50 PM

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Without addressing anything in detail regarding politics or history for the sake of maintaining the proper decorum of this Discord and because I don't want to cause trouble, I can see allusions in our own human society and history that makes the Mantle of Responsibility for Humans or their AIs given Cortana's case, an suspect eventuality, however, as we already know, the role of Mantle holder is a gift, a curse, and ultimately flawed.

It would be both another stereotype if Humanity accepted or rejected the Mantle when the time comes, if it does, however, I'd like to see Humanity reject it and choose its own path rather than fulfill the prophecy and machinations set out by the Librarians and her cohorts.

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@clever fable I'd throw a bone to the nature of the Precursors having always been an omnipotent race and that their very existence and all their creations are in that manner: some degree of omnipotent or self-regarding in omnipotence.

It creates a degree of interest if fundamentally that all Precursor-related social constructs are built in the manner of intelligence that follows some perverse version of existentialism and that Abbandon not acting pragmatically was simply another test.

It would be both really bad writing but also a very abstract-questioning-of-existence kind of broken logic that seems to pervay throughout what little we know about the Precursors.

I maintain the belief that in their omnipotence and state or meta-existence, that the Precursors are both all-knowing and not knowing at all. Like how some of the world's smartest people can understand quantum mechanics like its basic math but struggle to understand how to properly use the restroom by themselves. Maybe that in all their knowledge, the Precursors might be also be a naive race. Like children in a sandbox and the fabric of the universe is their sandbox.

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Something rather meta to think on.

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And maybe a little incoherent on my part...

clever fable Jan 28, 2019, 11:08 PM

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Warfleet does note that even the Precursors had some "threats" that they were only able to contain rather than deal away with. I'm not sure I'd go with the word omnipotent to describe them, but there is a nature in their intelligence that seems inherently contradictory to our perspectives. I could agree that, in that vein, there is some leeway, since the Precursors and their constructs are never written in a way that is designed to be fully understood. How that is utilized in writing though, determines my view of them. Logically we can just presume that writers can do whatever they need or want to if this is the case, but having the capacity for complete literary freedom with that excuse doesn't mean every decision made is going to result in good writing.

The writer was in between a rock and a hard place there. We're not meant to understand them, but the contradiction between abilities and results was so overt that it makes the reader do a double-take at the least. However if we were to explore that further, we might take away from any grandeur that Abaddon may have as a Precursor construct. So what's the right play there? I don't know myself.

vague scroll Jan 28, 2019, 11:12 PM

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I'd say let mob rule play its course: multiple writers have different interpretations on how things are supposed to play out, let the writers write how they feel - the fans can do the heavy lifting and decide for themselves whether they don't like, if they like it, or they find a way to plug the pieces together and make a half-decent picture from the broken puzzle pieces.

clever fable Jan 28, 2019, 11:14 PM

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That is fair. If enough interest is driven that way, you can get far more man hours out of the community's potential theory crafting than what's solely available on the writing team.

vague scroll Jan 28, 2019, 11:14 PM

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It's not the best solution in this case, but like you said, there isn't really one.

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Indeed, though, I'm sure the writing team has their own private ideas - some personal and some collective among the department, but there will always be the information they feed to us in pieces and there will be the pieces that will never see the light of day for one reason or another.

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Like finding out Precursors are actually Play-doh monsters.

hallow oyster Jan 29, 2019, 1:07 AM

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343 needs to nerf star roads

vague scroll Jan 29, 2019, 1:15 AM

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they were, its called Halos

obsidian thistle Jan 29, 2019, 1:26 AM

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Tbh even if they return they require a Gravemind to already be op sooo.

subtle depot Jan 29, 2019, 2:45 AM

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It would be interesting to see their abilities in game however

vague scroll Jan 29, 2019, 2:49 AM

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The Halo obliterated them...I really doubt they could come back.

subtle depot Jan 29, 2019, 3:11 AM

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But... But... cool space thingies

versed helm Jan 29, 2019, 5:35 AM

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onyx

last anchor Jan 29, 2019, 6:34 AM

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I wanna surf a Star Road

versed helm Jan 29, 2019, 8:03 AM

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perfect

clever fable Jan 29, 2019, 11:14 AM

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They could probably bring them back at some point if the Flood got far enough along, since its whole thing is basically gaining more of its old neural physics abilities through huge planetary biomass think-tanks. That'd be serious endgame stuff though, like maybe the whole galaxy or more consumed. Don't think they'd ever go put that in the games.

versed helm Jan 29, 2019, 12:16 PM

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Wouldn't that mean the star roads would make a return?

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Because those things are scary

strong sage Jan 29, 2019, 12:41 PM

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If the star ring returns won’t our galaxy be dead already by now?

vague scroll Jan 29, 2019, 12:49 PM

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Star roads were never intended as a weapon so their return is kind of ingenuine if the motivation is to throw it at people.

uneven cedar Jan 29, 2019, 12:51 PM

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So, just finished watching the Halo Nightfall miniseries.
Still new to the extended lore but I’m highly curious about pretty much everything.
Still wondering, what exactly was that bomb and what is this element 121?

strong sage Jan 29, 2019, 12:52 PM

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You mean the HAVOK nuke thingy? Thou im not sure if thats a nuke that they used thou

uneven cedar Jan 29, 2019, 12:54 PM

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No no, not the HAVOK nuke, I’m referring to the bomb/bio-weapon that caused a ton of people to be infected with those black veins as symptoms.

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I mean they explained it as the bodies own dna breaking down and attacking itself but I’m still just puzzled as to what about element 121 in that bomb would even cause such an effect.

vague scroll Jan 29, 2019, 1:32 PM

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Did they call it Element 121? Could have sworn they never mentioned it, either way, the element is just a material that is only dangerous to Humans and it appeared on the Alpha Halo Shard and seemingly is found nowhere else. That's about all we know.

uneven cedar Jan 29, 2019, 1:35 PM

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I do recall them mentioning it just once, I believe it was near the end of the second episode, though it only gets noted in passing as, like you said, the material only appeared on the Alpha Halo and nowhere else in the known universe.

last anchor Jan 29, 2019, 5:45 PM

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@uneven cedar They don't ever really say where it came from I don't think. The hint is that its something Forerunner related.
My personal theory is that its the result of the sun-level thermonuclear detonation of the Pillar of Autumn's engine mixing with Forerunner alloys to produce something new and nasty.
Hardlight and neural physics mixing in the caldroun of nuclear fire

vague scroll Jan 29, 2019, 6:14 PM

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Neural physics we don't know enough about to really throw that phrase around, though I like to call it "Power of Imagination" given how out there it really is.

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On that note, I just think its a material - not even an element.

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And I just think its the product of bad writing. A couple changes here and there could easily fix the issues regarding it.

last anchor Jan 29, 2019, 11:06 PM

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I honestly dont mind it. Seems more like its just physical stuff that bends to psionic abilities.

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Will, perhaps. Who knows

vague scroll Jan 29, 2019, 11:09 PM

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Well, I mean more in the way that the thing is just a giant macguffin and that there is a computer in the Sedran military base that can check the known universe for a single element is quirky to say the least.

last anchor Jan 29, 2019, 11:11 PM

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Im fairly certain Locke used his ONI clerance to check their more comprehensive files.

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So its not the Sedrans

vague scroll Jan 29, 2019, 11:14 PM

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even then, a machine that can do that IS lazy writing

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i can ignore the element since there is pseudo-magic in Halo at play but the computer that can just check the universe for an element is...weird, a change of a line or two would easily clean it up.

last anchor Jan 29, 2019, 11:18 PM

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I still dont see an issue for it. Its not looking through the whole universe, just the UNSC databanks.

vague scroll Jan 29, 2019, 11:25 PM

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I think its more that they don't say its UNSC databanks.

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Huh, went back to watch it again, yeah, I take it back, it does explain it decently. Nevermind,

vital robin Jan 29, 2019, 11:50 PM

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My question is, do elites have a higher average intelligence than humans?

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I mean, they have better technology due to the amount of years, and also the covenant is like 7 races

vague scroll Jan 29, 2019, 11:50 PM

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unknown, not something that has been addressed in Halo lore, though we do know that they're supposed to be a better predatory species than Humanity so possibly

last anchor Jan 29, 2019, 11:50 PM

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Its been a while since I watched Nightfall, ye

vague scroll Jan 29, 2019, 11:51 PM

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technology doesn't really have anything to do with intelligence capacity

vital robin Jan 29, 2019, 11:51 PM

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I know

last anchor Jan 29, 2019, 11:51 PM

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Yeah. Socioty has a bigger part to play

vital robin Jan 29, 2019, 11:51 PM

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That's why I said that

vague scroll Jan 29, 2019, 11:51 PM

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especially when Sangheili merely adopted Forerunner tech...

last anchor Jan 29, 2019, 11:51 PM

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Actually most species in the Covenant (bar maybe Drones) are as smart as humanity

sullen kernel Jan 29, 2019, 11:51 PM

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I'm willing to say they probably do but the metrics of intelligence for two totally different cultures are hard to compare

last anchor Jan 29, 2019, 11:51 PM

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But their cultures are different

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Ye

sullen kernel Jan 29, 2019, 11:51 PM

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like you can't just give an elite an iq test

vital robin Jan 29, 2019, 11:52 PM

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I assume their mentality specializes in other things than human, due to Darwinism

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But like overall?

vague scroll Jan 29, 2019, 11:52 PM

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you technically could but it would take a while for a xeno-psychologist to pin down the similarities and differences to put together a comparable test

sullen kernel Jan 29, 2019, 11:52 PM

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that said the elites are still largely technologically superior to humanity, the UNSC is still barely scratching the surface of energy and plasma weaponry

vague scroll Jan 29, 2019, 11:52 PM

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just treat them like humans with a different biology system

sullen kernel Jan 29, 2019, 11:53 PM

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there's also the whole thing with

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any kind of structured intelligence test only really showing you the two extremes

vital robin Jan 29, 2019, 11:53 PM

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The UNSC technology has always come off as outdated for 500 years later

vague scroll Jan 29, 2019, 11:54 PM

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depends, @sullen kernel IQ tests are fairly robust up until age 18

sullen kernel Jan 29, 2019, 11:54 PM

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UNSC tech is advanced but they clearly focused on specific aspects, and largely on human vs human deployability

vital robin Jan 29, 2019, 11:54 PM

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I know current day weaponry is extremely practical but for 500 years?

vague scroll Jan 29, 2019, 11:55 PM

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halo is the 21st century planted into the 26th so you'll have to accept some creative liberties

sullen kernel Jan 29, 2019, 11:55 PM

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unsc guns for example fire a very large caliber and usually have gas-propelled caseless rounds instead of the kind of bullets we use in the modern day

vague scroll Jan 29, 2019, 11:55 PM

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UNSC weaponry if you get down to meat and potatoes don't make much sense even to modern standards.

vital robin Jan 29, 2019, 11:55 PM

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I think Halo should be more in the 23th century

sullen kernel Jan 29, 2019, 11:56 PM

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caseless is a pretty good option for zero-g

vital robin Jan 29, 2019, 11:56 PM

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I mean I don't think we are that far away from light speed traveling

vague scroll Jan 29, 2019, 11:56 PM

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light speed travel remains a very strong hypothetical

vital robin Jan 29, 2019, 11:56 PM

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Do they use light speed in Halo? I know the covenant uses portals

sullen kernel Jan 29, 2019, 11:57 PM

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the giant MACs are kinda silly though, at least for a military that was focused on human vs human conflict where they already had significant technological superiority

vague scroll Jan 29, 2019, 11:57 PM

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there is currently not enough fuel available to even one spaceship to approach light speed within the next century even if it was constantly accelerating

sullen kernel Jan 29, 2019, 11:57 PM

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like what the heck would you even run into requiring a ship's MAC before the covvies showed up

vague scroll Jan 29, 2019, 11:58 PM

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no starship in Halo can reach FTL, technically

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Slipspace gets around it with pseudo science

vital robin Jan 29, 2019, 11:58 PM

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But how does the UNSC long travel? Even with light speed it would be quite some time

vague scroll Jan 29, 2019, 11:58 PM

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Slipspace

sullen kernel Jan 29, 2019, 11:58 PM

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slipspace long travel still has a significant travel time too

vague scroll Jan 29, 2019, 11:58 PM

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A month or a year is better than 40,000 years

sullen kernel Jan 29, 2019, 11:58 PM

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see: the spirit of fire taking like 30 years to get to the ark

vital robin Jan 29, 2019, 11:58 PM

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They also have cryo

vague scroll Jan 29, 2019, 11:59 PM

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The galaxy is 100,000-200,000 light years in diamater.

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They couldn't reach the Ark even on their best day

wispy bough Jan 29, 2019, 11:59 PM

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The Spirit of Fire was drifting in dead space for a long time before it was pulled into slipspace and dropped off at The Ark, I thought?

vague scroll Jan 29, 2019, 11:59 PM

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They got there via slipspace

wispy bough Jan 29, 2019, 11:59 PM

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It didn't take em 30 years in slipspace

vague scroll Jan 29, 2019, 11:59 PM

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Rhys is correct

vital robin Jan 29, 2019, 11:59 PM

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The Ark portal was a lazy plot point

vague scroll Jan 30, 2019, 12:00 AM

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Why?

sullen kernel Jan 30, 2019, 12:00 AM

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the ark portal is kinda important for the ark to even make sense

vital robin Jan 30, 2019, 12:00 AM

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An easy way to get the protagonist to a plot point

wispy bough Jan 30, 2019, 12:00 AM

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no doubt it was an excuse to bring the story up to the current timeline, but it's whatever.

vague scroll Jan 30, 2019, 12:00 AM

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It works

wispy bough Jan 30, 2019, 12:00 AM

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If they go into who brought them to the Ark in the future, I'm finewith it.

vague scroll Jan 30, 2019, 12:00 AM

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It's far better than the alternative.

vital robin Jan 30, 2019, 12:00 AM

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Why would there be an artifact in earth?

wispy bough Jan 30, 2019, 12:00 AM

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Oh we're talking about the portal on Earth lol

vital robin Jan 30, 2019, 12:00 AM

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Yeah

wispy bough Jan 30, 2019, 12:01 AM

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I think the Forerunner trilogy does a good job at giving reason to why there's a portal on Earth

vague scroll Jan 30, 2019, 12:01 AM

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Forerunners put artifacts on every world they touched.

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Why is it bad to put them on Earth therefore?

vital robin Jan 30, 2019, 12:01 AM

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They don't mention forerunners were human in the OG trilogy

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Right?

vague scroll Jan 30, 2019, 12:02 AM

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The original trilogy suggested Forerunners were Humans

wispy bough Jan 30, 2019, 12:02 AM

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Suggested but even Bungie went back on it.

vague scroll Jan 30, 2019, 12:02 AM

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That was Bungie's intent anyway

vital robin Jan 30, 2019, 12:02 AM

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I've never liked that

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I mean it makes the other races as inferiors and a wild coincidence too

vague scroll Jan 30, 2019, 12:02 AM

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That's still the case now. The entire Mantle of Responsibility exists so that there will always be a top species.

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It's an "imperial peace".

vital robin Jan 30, 2019, 12:03 AM

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It makes the universe a lot more small scaled when you think about it

vague scroll Jan 30, 2019, 12:03 AM

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Honestly it makes the Forerunners a little more relatable since that's a fact of our own history as well to have systematic hegemonies.

vital robin Jan 30, 2019, 12:03 AM

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It's manipulative

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A lazy way for the audience to relate to them, rather than making you actually care for them

vague scroll Jan 30, 2019, 12:04 AM

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The world has always been kind of small. In the 1500s most of the Earth was already fairly explored, even if not everyone had the same map.

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I'm not sure how its lazy?

vital robin Jan 30, 2019, 12:05 AM

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Cause they don't have to come up with something else for people to relate to them

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I mean the Halos are kind of enough

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The fact that they loved life so much that they would sacrifice it

vague scroll Jan 30, 2019, 12:06 AM

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That's honestly kind of lazy because it doesn't tell us why.

vital robin Jan 30, 2019, 12:07 AM

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Why? Cause they valued it that much

vague scroll Jan 30, 2019, 12:07 AM

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However, that's also a call back to epics and mythology so you'll have to excuse the simplistic structure.

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It's simplistic and doesn't give a reason why.

vital robin Jan 30, 2019, 12:07 AM

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That's better! Leave things ambitious

vague scroll Jan 30, 2019, 12:07 AM

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The word is ambiguous

vital robin Jan 30, 2019, 12:08 AM

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Rather than overexplaining things that weren't made to be explained

vague scroll Jan 30, 2019, 12:08 AM

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Okay, that's a different argument.

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Overexplaining something that doesn't need to be explained is a fair point depending on which side of the fence you sit, there are those that wanted to know more about the Forerunners and are satisfied with what they got because it made them relatable through greater explanation, and then there are the guys that either wanted to know more and were disappointed or were satisfied with what little they had but, less does not make them relatable.

vital robin Jan 30, 2019, 12:10 AM

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It's as if Kubrick were to make an explanation for the shinning, it would ruin the mystery

vague scroll Jan 30, 2019, 12:10 AM

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That's a fair comparison.

vital robin Jan 30, 2019, 12:10 AM

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Is that irony?

vague scroll Jan 30, 2019, 12:10 AM

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Not really.

vital robin Jan 30, 2019, 12:11 AM

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My point is, the audience imagination will always be more powerful than whatever someone comes up

vague scroll Jan 30, 2019, 12:12 AM

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its more enjoyable for the viewer because it allows the player to engage with the fiction but that's always going to be that way because people will find their own ideas more appealing than that of something else - its a personal bias

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and plus to let the player control their own conclusions, its a mark on the writer's part to trust the viewer

spiral jewel Jan 30, 2019, 12:13 AM

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As of Halo 4, I wonder what the current status of the cities of Omaha and Kansas City are... And their populations

vague scroll Jan 30, 2019, 12:13 AM

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however, a fans' interpretation will be fundamentally less tangible than when explained by the creator since its their original vision.

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Omaha and Kansas City should be fine...?

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Random places to be naming.

vital robin Jan 30, 2019, 12:14 AM

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I still would prefer that they left the forerunners as ambiguos, but give them enough till where the audience wonders

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Still, if they didn't we wouldn't really have a new enemy for 4

vague scroll Jan 30, 2019, 12:15 AM

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a good side effect of having fleshed out the Forerunners is that they're relevant to the overarching narrative now and it eliminated a lot of the fan theory arguments online because everyone had a different interpretation but yeah, again, it depends on how you look at it

spiral jewel Jan 30, 2019, 12:15 AM

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We know much about what happened to places like Chicago, however I was wondering what happened to the aforementioned cities... Between the second civil war and Halo 4

vital robin Jan 30, 2019, 12:16 AM

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However I despise the Promethean weaponry, the fact that they work like human weaponry baffles me

vague scroll Jan 30, 2019, 12:16 AM

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Best we don't know.

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Gameplay design, they played it safe.

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Didn't want to go too far out.

vital robin Jan 30, 2019, 12:16 AM

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And visual design wise

spiral jewel Jan 30, 2019, 12:16 AM

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I assume that they quintupled in size. Almost bordering each other.

gilded mason Jan 30, 2019, 12:17 AM

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Same. The weapons leave a lot to be desired.

vague scroll Jan 30, 2019, 12:18 AM

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@spiral jewel What I'm trying to say is you don't want to know what happened because a lot of it will require addressing the politics of the near future and it would quickly put degrees of separation from our reality compared to Halo's future narrative. Those fractures have always existed but addressing that information will bring more problems since it doesn't leave any ambiguity.

spiral jewel Jan 30, 2019, 12:20 AM

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Understood

clever fable Jan 30, 2019, 12:27 AM

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I can't help but think that most people who think the Forerunners got too fleshed out haven't actually read the novels about them, but maybe that is an unfair presumption on my part. We know more than what we did in 2007, but what we still have isn't much. You're talking about an empire lasting millions of years, and we just got an incredibly scant recounting of like... 10 years, plus some occasional lines setting up the backdrop for it. A couple of lines about the centuries just before Bornstellar's upbringing, and a couple of speculative throwaway lines about the years even further back.

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It always seems that it's not the actual knowledge they care about, but just the hypothetical aesthetics they drew up in their head being torn away from them, and general principle of what was done in the first place by simply expanding on them at all.

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Similar complaints are lobbed at ancient humanity, but ironically we know even less about them than the Forerunners. Their history is almost entirely blank for us.

versed helm Jan 30, 2019, 1:02 AM

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im just kinda

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G

fair hazel Jan 30, 2019, 5:47 AM

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A mystery without answers is shallow

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So yeah.

plucky hinge Jan 30, 2019, 5:51 AM

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Who knows? Maybe there'll be movies and tv shows dedicated to the forerunners.

carmine sleet Jan 30, 2019, 5:55 AM

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I hope not, doing either of those about the Forerunners could easily alienate those who are less well versed in the lore. Novels and terminals are the best way and have been done

charred flower Jan 30, 2019, 7:47 AM

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Id like to learn more about them

hasty geyser Jan 30, 2019, 7:47 AM

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Forerunner trilogy and ancillary media gave us most of them already

versed helm Jan 30, 2019, 9:53 AM

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I agree, I feel like novels and terminals are best way to do it

strong sage Jan 30, 2019, 2:05 PM

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So i was messing aroung and reading halopedia then suddenly i just found out that dutch and his wife return back to service for unsc and then join the Spartan 4 dayyum , but wait how did actually they managed to join em thou did buch somehow have strings within the Spartan Branch authority? Since ya know only few selected promosing candidates gets to become S4

obsidian thistle Jan 30, 2019, 2:07 PM

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Well Bad Blood holds your answers

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Well most of them

strong sage Jan 30, 2019, 2:08 PM

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Ahhhh thanks , i’ll get myself a copy

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Thankies ^^

obsidian thistle Jan 30, 2019, 2:08 PM

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I recommend New Blood first however

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If you have not read it that is

strong sage Jan 30, 2019, 2:09 PM

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New blood is about the s4 origins right? Then might as well get em

obsidian thistle Jan 30, 2019, 2:09 PM

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Kinda xD

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New Blood is more the semi-prelude to Halo 5. It just leaves enough open to not directly lead into it.

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Halo: Initiation is more a Spartan-IV origin story

strong sage Jan 30, 2019, 2:11 PM

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Ahhhh i seee thanks for the info boss much appreciated it 😄

obsidian thistle Jan 30, 2019, 2:13 PM

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No worries.

versed helm Jan 30, 2019, 9:15 PM

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Does the Shipmaster died?

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Did*

obsidian thistle Jan 30, 2019, 9:17 PM

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What shipmaster? There is lots of them. @versed helm

versed helm Jan 30, 2019, 9:18 PM

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Rtas Vadum (half jaw) halo 3 Shipmaster

carmine sleet Jan 30, 2019, 9:18 PM

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He's alive but we don't know where he is currently

versed helm Jan 30, 2019, 9:19 PM

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And who was that elite with the red energy sword that Atriox kill in Halo wars 2 cutscene

carmine sleet Jan 30, 2019, 9:23 PM

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Nobody of importance to the grand scheme of things

severe elbow Jan 30, 2019, 9:23 PM

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The Executioner.

obsidian thistle Jan 30, 2019, 9:29 PM

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*Wish we knew his name.

topaz snow Jan 30, 2019, 10:53 PM

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Third time's a charm. We don't currently know where Rtas is, but we believe he's alive and has killed three ONI Prowlers during his hunt for the escaped Prophets.

last anchor Jan 30, 2019, 11:00 PM

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Wait what. Where'd that last part come from

unique rune Jan 30, 2019, 11:05 PM

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sounds like fanfic to me

last anchor Jan 30, 2019, 11:07 PM

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The first part is canon, thats the last we see of him in Shadow of Intent, and then they mention Shadow's operating with the UNSC on a few things...
Why the hell would he kill Prowlers? The UNSC wants the Prophets handled as much as the Swords
~~Sangheili power fantasies?~~

severe elbow Jan 30, 2019, 11:08 PM

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It's detailed in some Catalog posts. Pretty sure some Prowlers were observing him, and something happened that resulted in him destroying them. Since they weren't supposed to be observing him like that in the first place, ONI couldn't say anything.

last anchor Jan 30, 2019, 11:09 PM

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Hmm. Is there a list of the Catalog posts somewhere on Waypoint or Halopedia anyone know?

severe elbow Jan 30, 2019, 11:09 PM

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From Halopedia: "Around March 2558 three Office of Naval Intelligence prowlers tasked to monitor Shadow of Intent were destroyed. These losses were not reported to the UNSC Navy."

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@last anchor https://www.halopedia.org/Catalog/Archive

Archive

last anchor Jan 30, 2019, 11:10 PM

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Exclelent

fair hazel Jan 31, 2019, 12:14 AM

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Was it the shadow of intent that destroyed the ONI prowlers? or some other event.

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i feel like the text is ambigious enough

gilded mason Jan 31, 2019, 12:17 AM

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Recent [frumentarii] records [naufragum] of three [speculatoria navigia] tasked to monitor vessel's fleet activities. Losses not reported to Human naval authorities.
The implication looks fairly obvious.

modest marsh Jan 31, 2019, 12:25 AM

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I mean, that’s standard practice

fair hazel Jan 31, 2019, 12:25 AM

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Not entirely convinved

modest marsh Jan 31, 2019, 12:25 AM

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Why wouldn’t they fire upon spy vessels?

gilded mason Jan 31, 2019, 12:25 AM

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Exactly

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And why not just outright say it wasn't the SoI if it wasn't them?

modest marsh Jan 31, 2019, 12:27 AM

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Like, a UNSC vessel would likely fire upon a Prowler in a hostile environment if they didn’t identify themselves

vast niche Jan 31, 2019, 12:28 AM

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ok hi

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whats going on

modest marsh Jan 31, 2019, 12:28 AM

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Whatever protocols the Swords adhere are most likely just as if not more likely to shoot before asking

vague scroll Jan 31, 2019, 12:49 AM

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The pretense was that the UEG and SoS were in a state of perpetual cold war given the Thursday War.

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Shooting a couple spy ships within their own territory is perfectly reasonable.

fair hazel Jan 31, 2019, 12:52 AM

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to me it seems like a story to be erxplored in another novel/novella

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things are not always what they seem

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also it was more ONI doing that

vague scroll Jan 31, 2019, 12:54 AM

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ONI still has to file documentation

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Still has to report to the UEG President, the Defense Minister, to HIGHCOM, UEG Senatorial Armed Forces Committee, etc.

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ONI didn't send ships into Sangheili space without a signature of some kind from Sydney

modest marsh Jan 31, 2019, 12:59 AM

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HIGHCOM: “Where’d they go?”
ONI: shrug_stockphoto.png

vague scroll Jan 31, 2019, 12:59 AM

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Space is a big place.

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Though theyll probably just say acceptable losses, say nothing to the SoS to avoid a war, and continue operations as if it never happened.

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3 prowlers in 5 years is not a bad trade off.

fair hazel Jan 31, 2019, 1:49 AM

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not quite

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ONI has a lot of operational freedom honestly

vague scroll Jan 31, 2019, 1:50 AM

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sure but the idea that a lot of higher ups in the UEG aren't aware of that doesn't make much sense

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Maybe a bunch of Senators aren't aware but people in the UEG executive branch, its more than likely

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the relationship of the ONI prowlers investigating SoS fleet activities has a lot of common with spy ships and spy planes used today and during the Cold War between rival states

severe elbow Jan 31, 2019, 1:54 AM

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ONI didn't have approval to supply the Servants of the Abiding Truth with materiel to fight the Swords of Sanghelios.

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ONI has been said to effectively be a shadow government within the UEG.

vague scroll Jan 31, 2019, 1:54 AM

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no disagreement there

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still, it wouldn't be like Parangosky to not recommend or push her political allies into high government positions to make sure ONI's activities aren't hindered by government bureaucracy or to let decisions before and during the war get out

gentle magnet Jan 31, 2019, 8:52 PM

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it can be implied that those within the UEG hiearchy shared the same feelings with crippling those that almost saw them exterminated

versed helm Jan 31, 2019, 11:06 PM

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Forgive me if i bring up the unknown alien vessel that crash landed on Alpha Halo again,but doesn't else find the date that the ship crash landed on I04 kind of..odd

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Think about it,the ship crash landed on I04 in 40,000 BC,57,445 years after the Great Purification and the subsequent reseeding of all the lifeforms that were indexed by the Librarian and the Lifeworkers..which brings me to the question,what species could've went from being reseeding on their own home world to being space-faring within that 57,445 year time frame?

distant elk Jan 31, 2019, 11:29 PM

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Just wondering... could humanity defeat cortana by essentially rebooting the domain? If they go to maethrillian is it possible to temporarily shut down the domain, and if so would that get rid of cortana?

versed helm Jan 31, 2019, 11:31 PM

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I'm pretty sure Halo's Domain works similar to the Warp from 40K

vague scroll Feb 1, 2019, 12:02 AM

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Well you also got to understand that the UNSC doesn't even know how to get there or how to do that in the first place.

versed helm Feb 1, 2019, 2:20 AM

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Hell,i'm pretty sure the UNSC doesn't even know what the Domain is

vague scroll Feb 1, 2019, 2:34 AM

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Halsey was the one who said cortana has access to the Domain I think so, I'd imagine at least the top commanders aboard the UNSC Infinity have heard of it but may not understand what it really is.

obsidian thistle Feb 1, 2019, 2:44 AM

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Oh the UNSC knows about the Domain.

versed helm Feb 1, 2019, 3:16 AM

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Oh

obsidian thistle Feb 1, 2019, 3:34 AM

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Yep. They do have access to several records detailing it and so on.

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Halo: Cryptum and Halo: Silentium are two in-universe documents safely in the hands of the UNSC/ONI.

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(Primordium however is currently not but that matters lil to the point)

spiral lily Feb 1, 2019, 4:55 AM

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Just a question

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How much time elapsed between The PoA leaving Reach and going to Alpha Halo, and the Chief coming back to reach to get Halsey and the other Spartans?

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With the whole space time warp / event collision thing with the crystal

severe elbow Feb 1, 2019, 5:05 AM

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The Pillar of Autumn left Reach on August 30 and arrived at Alpha Halo on September 19. The time/date anomaly happened on September 22.

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So 23 days.

versed helm Feb 1, 2019, 5:52 AM

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Has there ever been a Spartan that went rogue and formed a band of mercenaries that fought against the UNSC?

gilded mason Feb 1, 2019, 5:53 AM

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Not that I'm aware of.

versed helm Feb 1, 2019, 5:54 AM

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That would make a good story though

unique rune Feb 1, 2019, 6:00 AM

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would it really though

versed helm Feb 1, 2019, 6:17 AM

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I always imagined a Spartan II going rogue and forming an army of insurrectionists

vague scroll Feb 1, 2019, 6:22 AM

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I mean, as interesting as it sounds, its not really practical.

remote spruce Feb 1, 2019, 6:22 AM

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spartan warthog driver though

tawdry viper Feb 1, 2019, 6:27 AM

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It would make more sense with a spartan III or IV since spartan II's were pretty much indoctrinated if I understand correctly

vague scroll Feb 1, 2019, 6:33 AM

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S-IIIs less so because they ones we have left are all teens or young adults. Its unlikely most Alpha and Beta company guys survived at all... also the IIIs were also indoctrinated. S-IVS are the best bet.

tawdry viper Feb 1, 2019, 6:35 AM

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Yeah I figured that the S-III's would still be unlikely I just thought they'd be slightly less indoctrinated than the II's

tawdry viper Feb 1, 2019, 6:51 AM

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Are the non covenant race from the first episode of halo nightfall mentioned anywhere else?

unique rune Feb 1, 2019, 7:04 AM

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I don’t believe they are. The Yonhet make another appearance in one panel of an issue of Escalation (I think), but I can’t remember any instances outside of that.

tawdry viper Feb 1, 2019, 7:15 AM

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That seems kinda odd

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It would be interesting to learn about a non covenant alien species

vivid dust Feb 1, 2019, 8:31 AM

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@versed helm Ilsa Zane is a good example

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she's one of the first Spartan-IVs who became unstable because of her augmentations, which prompted her to defect to some Rebel faction

versed helm Feb 1, 2019, 8:57 AM

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Which is why it makes sense to give the physical enhancements predominantly for the Mjolnir to handle

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Otherwise you have to deal with rogue defected Spartans all the time. With it being from the suit, it's easier to prevent stuff like that - especially with failsafes and the like

vague scroll Feb 1, 2019, 12:49 PM

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Not necessarily, its not abundantly clear why Zane snapped - maybe she was always a nutcase, or she's got PTSD or Sole Survivor Syndrome. Any number of matters. But she didn't join the NCA until she met with the Admiral does she really go haywire. The augs might have just been a conditional motivator. She lost 9 of her friends or teammates to the augmentations after all. I really doubt her augs were what broke her.

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I'd say they were simply what started her down the path to insanity.

modest marsh Feb 1, 2019, 2:28 PM

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She seems high functioning so I doubt there’s any cognitive impairment

spiral lily Feb 1, 2019, 3:06 PM

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@late lagoon I don’t think they’re non-covenant

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I’m not sure where, but it has been mentioned that there are more races in the covenant that we never got to see.

modest marsh Feb 1, 2019, 3:14 PM

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Covenant Fringe

hallow oyster Feb 1, 2019, 4:54 PM

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Your slander offends all who walk the path

hollow brook Feb 1, 2019, 4:56 PM

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"You are the arbiter, the will of the prophets, but these are my elites their lives matter to me yours does not."

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"that makes two of us."

feral perch Feb 1, 2019, 5:46 PM

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"Are those your last words?"

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Sorry, wrong series

hollow brook Feb 1, 2019, 6:15 PM

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LOL

wispy bough Feb 1, 2019, 7:01 PM

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Yours, not mine.

hallow oyster Feb 1, 2019, 8:05 PM

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^my money's on the man with the golden gun

lyric coral Feb 1, 2019, 8:12 PM

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I have a lore question. In the fall of reach, it’s described that the pelicans were holding up to 30 Spartans and some spare suits when they went on their first mission with the brand new mjolnir. Now I ask, how is this possible? The pelicans are way to small to hold up to that many Spartans I’m pretty sure. Unless I read it wrong of course.

obsidian thistle Feb 1, 2019, 8:23 PM

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Oh that

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I'll check

modest marsh Feb 1, 2019, 9:00 PM

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Upsized Pelicans

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Just like the magnums

vague scroll Feb 1, 2019, 9:08 PM

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There are Pelicans with extended cargo bays.

last anchor Feb 1, 2019, 9:23 PM

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Maybe they all just crammed together in the back like on a Metro buss

harsh holly Feb 1, 2019, 9:25 PM

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hello

brisk cape Feb 1, 2019, 9:36 PM

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Wasn’t that retconned into Albatrosses? Or was just the Pelican holding 75 kids in the beginning retconned?

last anchor Feb 1, 2019, 9:36 PM

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Just the Pelican.

latent mason Feb 1, 2019, 10:06 PM

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Who are the dead spartans on the lone wolf mission in reach

carmine sleet Feb 1, 2019, 10:07 PM

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Unknown. There's nothing other than speculation on who they are

feral perch Feb 1, 2019, 10:25 PM

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Nobles 8, 9, 10 and so on.

carmine sleet Feb 1, 2019, 10:29 PM

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Don't mislead anyone StoneWall, Noble Team only had 6 members

feral perch Feb 1, 2019, 11:52 PM

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... I was joking

obsidian thistle Feb 1, 2019, 11:52 PM

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There is a few running theories

feral perch Feb 1, 2019, 11:53 PM

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go back to your shaw-fujikawa drive misterchief

obsidian thistle Feb 1, 2019, 11:54 PM

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They could be Red, Echo, and Gauntlet Teams.
They could be the MIA Spartans who defended and sent the Raider armor info off Reach before they were betrayed.

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Point 2 is more Section 3 ARG lore

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Both however could be wrong

remote spruce Feb 2, 2019, 12:12 AM

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i honestly wonder if the intention was for them to be Beta-Red, it be an odd retcon but still

spiral lily Feb 2, 2019, 1:17 AM

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@obsidian thistle Raider armor? Betrayed? Where can I find this information?

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Nevermind i read the rest of your thing

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Has anyone ever played ilovebees?

clever fable Feb 2, 2019, 3:25 AM

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Someone played ilovebees so hard that they decided it was a good idea to continue playing with a hurricane looming over them.

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Don't do ARGs kids. Stay in school.

latent mason Feb 2, 2019, 4:19 AM

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ok cool but

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if reach takes place before halo 1

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whats up with spartan 3s

gilded mason Feb 2, 2019, 4:20 AM

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What do you mean?

latent mason Feb 2, 2019, 4:21 AM

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why are there spartan 3s and 2s

gilded mason Feb 2, 2019, 4:21 AM

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Spartan 3s began getting made around the 2530s.

latent mason Feb 2, 2019, 4:22 AM

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so when was halo 1

gilded mason Feb 2, 2019, 4:22 AM

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latent mason Feb 2, 2019, 4:22 AM

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oh yeah u right

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seems weird

hasty geyser Feb 2, 2019, 4:23 AM

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In September

latent mason Feb 2, 2019, 4:24 AM

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forgot that mc actually had to do spartan stuff inb4 reach

feral perch Feb 2, 2019, 4:26 AM

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The Spartan-IIIs finished their training in 2525

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gah

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Not IIIs

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IIs

vague scroll Feb 2, 2019, 4:27 AM

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S-IIs finished training in 2525 and were deployed within the year against Innies, and soon after that they were already performing limited operations against the Covenant.

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S-III Alpha was activated by 2536. Beta by 2545. Gamma after 2552.

last anchor Feb 2, 2019, 5:58 AM

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Ye

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Silent Storm (the first major operationg the IIs were involved in) takes place in early 2526. Then we see them again a few months later at Circumlous IV

vague scroll Feb 2, 2019, 6:01 AM

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Cimcumlous?

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You mean Chi Ceti IV?

hasty geyser Feb 2, 2019, 6:05 AM

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Circinius IV

last anchor Feb 2, 2019, 6:10 AM

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Thats it yeah. I can never write that name...

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CAMS. From Forward Unto DAwn

unique rune Feb 2, 2019, 6:12 AM

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Well, uh... an attempt was made.

woven pelican Feb 2, 2019, 6:12 AM

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||hmmmmmmmmmnm||

vague scroll Feb 2, 2019, 6:17 AM

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Nothing wrong with an attempt.

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I was thinking you meant Fall of Reach not Forward Unto Dawn.

last anchor Feb 2, 2019, 6:22 AM

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CAMS was in Forward Unto Dawn.

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It goes middle chapters of Fall of Reach (Chi Ceti IV), Silent Storm, Forward Unto Dawn.

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Then Jericho VII?

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But before that Harvest...though I dont think John and Blue ever went there

vague scroll Feb 2, 2019, 6:36 AM

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Blue was not at Harvest as far as I'm aware.

tawdry viper Feb 2, 2019, 6:36 AM

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I was thinking and if there are chunks of alpha halo floating around the universe then it's reasonable to think maybe there's an intact chunk with that mysterious ship from the CEA terminals (sorry for interupting the conversation)

vague scroll Feb 2, 2019, 6:37 AM

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A lot can happen in 6 years leading up to Halo Wars though.

tawdry viper Feb 2, 2019, 6:37 AM

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When does forward unto dawn take place?

vague scroll Feb 2, 2019, 6:37 AM

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Circinius IV

tawdry viper Feb 2, 2019, 6:38 AM

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Because if I remember correctly one of the spartans on that footage had the same number as Fred I think it was

vague scroll Feb 2, 2019, 6:38 AM

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A perpetual backwater world

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Fred, Kelly, and John were all involved in Forward Unto Dawn

tawdry viper Feb 2, 2019, 6:38 AM

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And it's obviously before the war was made public so that means there were a handful of battles before the war was made public

vague scroll Feb 2, 2019, 6:39 AM

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Fred is 104, the helmet cam footage is John's as discovered by Sully

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Of course

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Harvest had already fallen by time of FuD

tawdry viper Feb 2, 2019, 6:40 AM

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Was it ever said which planet that cam footage was from. Also excuse me if I'm a bit behind on the lore I've only recently gotten into the EU

vague scroll Feb 2, 2019, 6:40 AM

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No

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No problem at all

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Even I'm not perfect and knowing the lore is supposed to be my specialty

tawdry viper Feb 2, 2019, 6:41 AM

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I've currently read about 3 of the books and am currently reading contact harvest

vague scroll Feb 2, 2019, 6:41 AM

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I haven't read most of the books but Halopedia covers most of my knowledge

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Its been a long time since I attempted Contact Harvest. My ibook variant of it didn't have very good paragraph splits so I gave up because I kept losing my spot.

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That was almost 7 years ago though.

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Not sure how I'd enjoy it today.

tawdry viper Feb 2, 2019, 6:43 AM

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I'm not enjoying it as much as the other 3 which were the fall of reach, first strike and ghosts of onyx

vague scroll Feb 2, 2019, 6:45 AM

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Yeah. Nylund was my introduction to the Halo Expanded Universe as well.

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Good trilogy.

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I jumped into Glasslands as soon as I finished Ghosts.

tawdry viper Feb 2, 2019, 6:46 AM

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I'm debating reading glasslands or the first forerunner book next after harvest

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I'm definitely interested to see what happened after halo 3

vague scroll Feb 2, 2019, 6:50 AM

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I never got into the Forerunner trilogy though i own Cryptum. Just been slow to catch up on a lot of the series tbh

tawdry viper Feb 2, 2019, 6:52 AM

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I know that feeling, sorry if a bit off topic but I've been reading the witcher books but I've been derailed lately

vague scroll Feb 2, 2019, 6:58 AM

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Ah no problem there. I heard good things about those novels.

tawdry viper Feb 2, 2019, 6:58 AM

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They are pretty good

stoic peak Feb 2, 2019, 10:18 AM

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which spartan III's were Cat 2 do we know of any ?

clever fable Feb 2, 2019, 10:51 AM

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Isn't it basically just any SIII that had an actual suit of Mjolnir, prior to the SIV program? I could be wrong, there's definitely a few we know of if that's the case though.

stoic peak Feb 2, 2019, 11:09 AM

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@clever fable i think it has to do with there genetics being closer to a Spartan II and over all skill

clever fable Feb 2, 2019, 11:12 AM

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It does, which is why those individuals were typically given the armor like I was getting at. Again though, I could be wrong. Maybe there's individuals that qualified for it that didn't receive the armor.

stoic peak Feb 2, 2019, 11:32 AM

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@clever fable yeah and Kurt regarded the "cat 2" Spartan-IIIs as being on par with the Spartan-IIs in regard to sheer natural ability,

hollow brook Feb 2, 2019, 1:44 PM

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what happened to Lord hood after halo 3?

vivid dust Feb 2, 2019, 2:01 PM

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I think he fled from Sydney after the Guardian attack?

clever fable Feb 2, 2019, 2:04 PM

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That's the most recent part of his story I think, yeah. He's involved with several things post Halo 3 though. Can't really recall all of them atm.

vivid dust Feb 2, 2019, 2:18 PM

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can't think of anything besides a couple Escalation arcs

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the one with the negotiations that go south and the traitorous Spartan and the one with Captain Cutter's son

clever fable Feb 2, 2019, 2:36 PM

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I decided to go look at his page on Halopedia since I was having trouble remembering his stuff. Keeping it short, He took part in starting the mending of the relationship with the Elites by convening with the Arbiter on Sanghelios (and having Infinity create a new land mark with its MACs), Helped set the makeup of the team sent to the Ark to stop Tragic Solitude, continued to have a few back and forths with Maggie, was on the council judging Del Rio's escapade to Requiem, debriefed and brought John back to Blue team, got held hostage by scruggs during the meeting between them, Thel, and some Jiralhanae, got injured when Clayton ambushed Infinity later on, and then the Guardian thing happened some time after that.

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They've brought his character into a fair few things since Halo 3, it's just that he's not been a particularly huge focus as a character who's actual depths get explored it seems.

stoic peak Feb 2, 2019, 3:32 PM

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If Kat-B320 and Spartan B312 are both from Beta company how come its never hinted at or shown that they know eachother and trained together? Aparently Kat and the rest of Nobel Team were reluctant to have a new Memeber apart of Nobel Team after Thom death, but Kat should have known who B312 was when she saw him or heard about him and not been bothered, or it should have been said she new him.
They are both "Cat 2" from Beta Company as well from what i have heard, so they both had special training together.

modest marsh Feb 2, 2019, 4:02 PM

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The special training wasn’t necessarily grouped together

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And passing familiarity from being in the same company doesn’t mean they were pals or had even interacted with each other beyond participating in the same exercises

fair hazel Feb 2, 2019, 6:08 PM

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a bunch of spartan-IIs fought on harvest...

feral perch Feb 2, 2019, 6:09 PM

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Are you thinking of Arcadia?

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I wasn't aware that Spartan-IIs were deployed to Harvest

remote spruce Feb 2, 2019, 6:30 PM

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yes other spartans were deployed

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Daisy and 2 others

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2 of them died

feral perch Feb 2, 2019, 6:33 PM

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Oh that's right

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I forgot

obsidian thistle Feb 2, 2019, 6:50 PM

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Actually

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Daisy was not confirmed to be at Harvest

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Homecoming had its lore cleared up.

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https://twitter.com/cia391/status/1038896975431778306?s=19
https://twitter.com/GrimBrotherOne/status/1038898982880047104?s=19

Chris Aiken (@cia391)

@GrimBrotherOne I dont expect an answer cause this may lock doors you lot wanna keep open thanks to a recent book. But is the planet Daisy died on Harvest, Sargasso, or some unidentified planet.

Sources say Harvest, visuals say not Harvest, and parallels say Sargasso.

Jeff Easterling (@GrimBrotherOne)

@cia391 You are correct, it's undefined publicly.

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@remote spruce @feral perch that may help a lil

remote spruce Feb 2, 2019, 7:11 PM

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oh, interesting

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thanks

limpid aspen Feb 2, 2019, 7:48 PM

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halo wars takes place after FuD

last anchor Feb 2, 2019, 7:59 PM

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Four yars later yes

brisk cape Feb 2, 2019, 8:15 PM

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Hood was last mentioned as being on Rossbach’s world with Osman and Spartan Orvel.

obsidian thistle Feb 2, 2019, 8:30 PM

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Osman has however kept busy.

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Allowing Apollo access to files.

versed helm Feb 2, 2019, 8:35 PM

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How old is Hood right now?

obsidian thistle Feb 2, 2019, 8:39 PM

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-472 years old if my calcs are correct.

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But in all seriousness in relation to his last appearance in 2558. 68.

broken mango Feb 2, 2019, 9:22 PM

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It would be nice to see Hood again in the games.

vivid dust Feb 2, 2019, 9:49 PM

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is there a Halopedia page about all Elite ranks we know of?

gilded mason Feb 2, 2019, 9:53 PM

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Right above "Trivia" on the Sangheili page itself.
https://www.halopedia.org/Sangheili#Trivia

vivid dust Feb 2, 2019, 9:54 PM

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yeah I found it thanks m8

stoic peak Feb 3, 2019, 2:53 AM

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Kat would have been 9 when she was picked to be a Spartan III, but they are suposed to be between 4 and 6, She was born in 2530 and was picked in 2539.
They should have been chosen with birth years between 2533 and 2535

remote spruce Feb 3, 2019, 2:59 AM

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try not to think about Carter

stoic peak Feb 3, 2019, 3:01 AM

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Yeah his an odd one, but what about Kat?
( Halo Battle Borm SPOILERS)
in Halo Battle Born Owen seems to be the same as Kat

remote spruce Feb 3, 2019, 3:03 AM

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huh, odd

unique rune Feb 3, 2019, 3:04 AM

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Spartan-III candidate selection was opened up to older children, IIRC.

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Lower risk augmentation methods gave them a bit more leeway.

feral perch Feb 3, 2019, 3:08 AM

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Protocol dictates action

stoic peak Feb 3, 2019, 3:10 AM

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Seems strange to have a 9 and 4 year old training together lol

subtle depot Feb 3, 2019, 3:12 AM

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Lots of the spartan program seems strange.

remote spruce Feb 3, 2019, 3:13 AM

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"mr trainer carter is cheating he needs to be young sized"

versed helm Feb 3, 2019, 6:39 PM

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Is it known in halo lore Samuel-034s or Isaac-039s last name?

carmine sleet Feb 3, 2019, 6:44 PM

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No, neither of their last names are known

versed helm Feb 3, 2019, 7:01 PM

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They should release lol

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Are there any last names known then beside 104,087,058,092,042,130?

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And 051

modest marsh Feb 3, 2019, 7:02 PM

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Most Spartan last names are and probably will remain unknown besides the IVs

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Kurt’s is a pseudonym

versed helm Feb 3, 2019, 7:02 PM

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Ambrose was the name change during the iiis

modest marsh Feb 3, 2019, 7:03 PM

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Yes

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Though hypothetically any given Spartan could’ve assumed a pseudonym

versed helm Feb 3, 2019, 7:03 PM

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True

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Tho he is the only known one I believe

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This is an interesting topic

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What was Jacob Keyes rank?

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I always like to hear what people say

carmine sleet Feb 3, 2019, 7:05 PM

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Kurt's actual last name is Trevelyan

modest marsh Feb 3, 2019, 7:39 PM

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How could I have forgotten that

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I’m a fake fan

carmine sleet Feb 3, 2019, 7:39 PM

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I mean, we all forget things

clever fable Feb 3, 2019, 11:29 PM

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If you can't tell me what John ate for breakfast on the third of August in 2527, then you're not a real fan of the lore, don't @ me. frank

hollow brook Feb 3, 2019, 11:41 PM

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i dont know what u guys are even talking about

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whats fuD

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or

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fOd

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or something

gilded mason Feb 3, 2019, 11:46 PM

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Forward Unto Dawn.

spiral lily Feb 4, 2019, 3:09 AM

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Is Captain Iglasias of ONI Prowler Dusk (Ghosts of Onyx) the same Iglasias from Cole Protocol?

strong sage Feb 4, 2019, 4:19 AM

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Let me guess John ate some little or stale biscuits for breakfast on the third August of 2527? Lol

spark cobalt Feb 4, 2019, 4:49 AM

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@spiral lily Where do you see that name in The Cole Protocol?

stoic peak Feb 4, 2019, 4:56 AM

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With the Spartan III's what happened to the ones who didnt make it to be Spartans ?
With Beta Company there were 418 candidates gathered on Onyx, but only 300 were selected

last anchor Feb 4, 2019, 5:03 AM

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Probably stayed behind to train Gamma, or died during training

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Also the number adjusts depending on the whims of the lore. Originally, all 300 minus Tom and Lucy went too and died on Pegasi Delta

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Now though there were at least three survivors who were pulled, probably more.

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So the 300 number isnt entirely accurate anymore

stoic peak Feb 4, 2019, 5:23 AM

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True, you also have Nobel Team, Head Hunters and so on

carmine sleet Feb 4, 2019, 5:47 AM

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@stoic peak @last anchor I'm pretty sure the ones that didn't get trained were just relocated to new homes

last anchor Feb 4, 2019, 5:47 AM

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Or sent into normal UNSC service as normal orphans perhaps, like Mickey

topaz iron Feb 4, 2019, 5:49 AM

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Just started Halo 2 anniversary for the first time, didn’t know they put Locke into the first cutscene

modest marsh Feb 4, 2019, 6:23 AM

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Wish it was taken out

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😕

wispy bough Feb 4, 2019, 6:35 AM

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Both of them don't make any sense now 🥶

versed helm Feb 4, 2019, 8:04 AM

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Is Chief aware of the existence of the SOF?

gilded mason Feb 4, 2019, 8:05 AM

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I guess in the way of "Fellow Spartans vanished alongside that ship."

carmine sleet Feb 4, 2019, 8:06 AM

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The SoF hasn't been important to any of his missions so there's no reason for him to know about it. At most he knows that Red Team went missing on the ship

versed helm Feb 4, 2019, 8:06 AM

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IIRC,didn't John and Jerome trained alongside each other before they got augmented?

gilded mason Feb 4, 2019, 8:08 AM

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Didn't all the Spartans train together?

carmine sleet Feb 4, 2019, 8:09 AM

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Aye, they all trained together but that doesn't mean Chief would have knowledge about the SoF

versed helm Feb 4, 2019, 8:14 AM

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Although i wonder what would happen if John encountered the SOF

gilded mason Feb 4, 2019, 8:14 AM

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What do you mean?

versed helm Feb 4, 2019, 8:15 AM

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Like what would've happened if he somehow stumbled upon the SOF and its crew

gilded mason Feb 4, 2019, 8:16 AM

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"Hello, fellow spartans."

carmine sleet Feb 4, 2019, 8:18 AM

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It'd just be like Halo 4 but with less "Give me the chip" and more "Glad to have you on board"

vivid dust Feb 4, 2019, 8:19 AM

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as long as it doesn't go like the Blue Team reunion

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"oh wow John you're alive let's go do some missions"

versed helm Feb 4, 2019, 8:21 AM

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I still wanna see Halfjaw make a return

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Wait...what are the full military capabilities of the SOS?

vivid dust Feb 4, 2019, 8:24 AM

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Shadow of Intent might be their flagship?

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no idea tbh

gilded mason Feb 4, 2019, 8:25 AM

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For armaments of the Shadow of Intent:
1 infernus-pattern superheavy excavation beam
2 urpeon-pattern superheavy plasma lances
8 luxor-pattern heavy plsma beam emitters
24 mictix-pattern heavy plasma torpedo silos
700 ferriel-pattern pulse lasers

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And a couple thousand smaller vehicles inside/alongside it.

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For crew:
200 superiors
10 engineers
40000 troops

versed helm Feb 4, 2019, 8:28 AM

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Hmm... interesting

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Wait what about the Punic class super carrier?

gilded mason Feb 4, 2019, 8:35 AM

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What about it?

carmine sleet Feb 4, 2019, 8:36 AM

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I think they want to know the armament of a standard Punic class

gilded mason Feb 4, 2019, 8:37 AM

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Wasn't in Warfleet, but here's what we know at the moment.
https://www.halopedia.org/Punic-class_supercarrier

strong sage Feb 4, 2019, 9:38 AM

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Are the unsc making more punic carriers thou in post war?

versed helm Feb 4, 2019, 10:57 AM

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I think they should

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But they aren't...

spiral lily Feb 4, 2019, 12:24 PM

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@spark cobalt at the rubble

somber helm Feb 4, 2019, 7:12 PM

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Would certainly be benefical

spiral jewel Feb 4, 2019, 9:13 PM

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@carmine sleet I think that would be interesting for a late game mission or cutscene for Halo 7 or 8. I'm not sure how it'd play out with John encountering the SoF

hollow brook Feb 4, 2019, 10:30 PM

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ok

hallow oyster Feb 5, 2019, 4:40 AM

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so I was playing Halo 4 the other day and decided to play through Midnight for some of those good old feels and as I was listening to the Didacts speech it made me wonder when that took place

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parts of it sound like it was towards the end of the forerunner flood war and others makes me think its current. Does anyone know for sure when that speech takes place

subtle depot Feb 5, 2019, 5:47 AM

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It’s supposed to be current I believe

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Because the humans are who the forerunners would have to recede to

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The Ur-Didact survives halo 4 so that backs it up too

hallow oyster Feb 5, 2019, 5:57 AM

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that would make sense

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do you know who he was talking to or was it just a general message to humanity

subtle depot Feb 5, 2019, 6:03 AM

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I’m not sure in that sorry

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Okay looked at it more it looks like he is addressing the forerunners confusing as it may be because there are none left

strong sage Feb 5, 2019, 11:07 AM

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Anyone knows what ratings/scale are the Mjolnir GEN2 in the forerunner armor scalings? I’ve been really curious about that could it be they advanced around two levels or still the same as predecessors.

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Not to mention along with the upcoming GEN 3 (still under planning) and Naomi’s current armor

obsidian thistle Feb 5, 2019, 11:26 AM

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Hmmm

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I'll need to check Halo 5 again. Exub may comment on it

modest marsh Feb 5, 2019, 12:10 PM

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I would think MJOLNIR still registers as a Class 2

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Guilty Spark doesn’t recognize Mark VI as a notable increase in functionality over Mark V despite it being a significant upgrade in most capacities

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GEN2 isn’t especially more feature complete comparatively, and is stated to be roughly equal in performance

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GEN3 would have to be a drastic jump in the technology for it to matter on the Forerunner rating system

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Standardizing armor abilities across all armor is a good place to start

royal spear Feb 5, 2019, 4:19 PM

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Man what kind of stuff did ancient humans have

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Like what does the top grade have, that's what I've always wondered

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Since chief seems to get by with a class 2, were the ancient civilisations just bad or something? I guess chief didn't have to deal with planetary infections though so maybe I just answered my own question

modest marsh Feb 5, 2019, 4:23 PM

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What do you mean

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@royal spear you gotta understand that the scale at which the flood operated at when they were conquering planets far outstripped anything Master Chief or other modern Halo characters dealt with

royal spear Feb 5, 2019, 4:31 PM

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That's what I said in the later part of my message but thanks anyway

modest marsh Feb 5, 2019, 4:32 PM

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Well, even on an individual level

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A combat form from a Forerunner Warrior Servant is probably a bit more dangerous than a modern human

royal spear Feb 5, 2019, 4:35 PM

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Without a doubt

last anchor Feb 5, 2019, 5:09 PM

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The Flood takes whatever it infects and makes it worse.
Hence why Sangheili and Brute combat forms are more dangerous than human ones (remember the launcher weilding elite forms in CE?)

royal spear Feb 5, 2019, 5:30 PM

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Don't remind me

feral hull Feb 5, 2019, 5:36 PM

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Oooh boy

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Those were something else

topaz iron Feb 5, 2019, 5:41 PM

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You’re giving me PTSD

stoic peak Feb 6, 2019, 1:41 AM

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Hey anyone know how fast sangheili can run ? I have forgotten if its been mentioned somewhere, i think they are as fast as a spartan with Armor ?

gilded mason Feb 6, 2019, 1:44 AM

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I think in Hunters in the Dark it was shown they move faster than Spartan IVs.

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Or, at least, the ones in the book could.

stoic peak Feb 6, 2019, 1:46 AM

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Yeah, in Halo Silent Storm Chief was in a Hand To Hand fight and they were marching eachother for speed. I think when it comes to running they are probably the same depending on the spartan and Elite

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Shows how powerful a Sanghili is if they can match a spartan II at times

tawdry viper Feb 6, 2019, 6:11 AM

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After learning about the unggoy I kinda feel bad for everytime I killed them

gilded mason Feb 6, 2019, 6:12 AM

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Yeah, they're dealt a bad hand.

tawdry viper Feb 6, 2019, 6:14 AM

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Also I was reading contact harvest and the back story of the san'shyuum aka the prophets and if I understand correctly there's an entire planet of non covenant san'shyuum?

gilded mason Feb 6, 2019, 6:15 AM

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Their home planet, yes.

stoic peak Feb 6, 2019, 6:25 AM

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Hey can some answer this ? Its a silly qustion but is Meridian a Moon or planet ? Its being called a moon in the book i am reading, i thought it was a planet.

gilded mason Feb 6, 2019, 6:25 AM

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It's a moon of a gas giant.

stoic peak Feb 6, 2019, 6:26 AM

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Okay so another idiot qustion, so not all moons are like our moon? Some are small planets ?

gilded mason Feb 6, 2019, 6:26 AM

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Just like the forest moon of Endor.

stoic peak Feb 6, 2019, 6:28 AM

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Sorry i dont know a lot About Stat Wars :( only seen some years ago.
So if Earth was orbiting a Bigger Planet would we be a Moon ?

gilded mason Feb 6, 2019, 6:28 AM

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Yes

stoic peak Feb 6, 2019, 6:35 AM

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Well this answers so much, i have read every Halo Novel not this is one thing that confused me hahahah

wooden robin Feb 6, 2019, 8:02 AM

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in the latest game how long has it been since reach has fallen

gilded mason Feb 6, 2019, 8:03 AM

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It is 2558 in Halo 5, so six years.

wooden robin Feb 6, 2019, 8:03 AM

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okay thanks

royal spear Feb 6, 2019, 8:04 AM

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Basically a moon is a natural satellite so if a smaller body orbits around a bigger one it's considered a moon

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At least I think so

last anchor Feb 6, 2019, 8:14 AM

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Basically. Pluto and Charon have a weird little dance goin on tho

carmine sleet Feb 6, 2019, 8:21 AM

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Aye, I believe that Charon is slightly smaller though

clever fable Feb 6, 2019, 8:39 AM

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We were satisfied with the resources of this galaxy, for the time being, and rarely looked outward. So I had been taught. But, as the Didact was so quick to point out, there are many things Builders do not teach their young. ```

How do you guys feel about the possibility of Builders, or just in general some individuals with higher authority in the Forerunner's Ecumene, exploring other galaxies? Can you think of any interesting plot points that could come along with this?

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Personally I think if it ends up being the case that some did venture outward, that it would have to be a fairly limited group of explorers, and with the above quote in mind, obviously something that never reaches the ears of the public. I don't know where I'd take that story though. There are no plot points that come to my mind quickly beyond simple curiosity.

brisk cape Feb 6, 2019, 11:52 AM

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The Librarian and a few others left their home galaxy and ventured out to the Path Kethona galaxy as well as the few remaining Milky Way Galaxy Forerunners left the galaxy after ‘restarting’ the Domain.

clever fable Feb 6, 2019, 12:33 PM

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Of course. What I'm asking about however, is for opinions and theories on the possibility and explorable details of any expeditions prior. I find this somewhat more interesting since it's not necessarily presuming satellite galaxies.

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It could be just simple foreshadowing of the Librarian's journey, but that seems weird given how casually her presence outside the galaxy was noted in Cryptum.

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For example
“After an exile of a thousand years, the Didact has apparently once again been placed in charge of Forerunner defenses,” my father said. “He asks for Bornstellar. And from far outside the galaxy, a Lifeworker called the Librarian has also requested our son. They seem to work in collusion. I no longer have the standing to deny them. I myself may soon be indicted by the Council.”

brisk cape Feb 6, 2019, 3:54 PM

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Ah, I misinterpreted the post then, my bad. I agree it would be cool to see some old Forerunner explorations outside of the normal F/F or F/H wars.

supple monolith Feb 6, 2019, 6:34 PM

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I’m thinking about reading a Halo novel. Which one should I read first?

unique rune Feb 6, 2019, 6:35 PM

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probably The Fall of Reach

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I dunno if I'd call it the best novel

but it was the first piece of Halo media ever released (IIRC)
so it set up a lot of Halo's lore

supple monolith Feb 6, 2019, 6:37 PM

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Okay thanks.

obsidian thistle Feb 6, 2019, 7:52 PM

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Fun fact it wasnt the first piece of Halo Media @unique rune ;)

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That honor belongs to the Cortana Letters. That released 20 years ago on the 15th February

obsidian thistle Feb 6, 2019, 8:24 PM

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So 9 days till Halos 20th birthday. The one hardly anyone will consider lol

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If you want me to be more technical Halo was first thought up in 1998. But we have zero solid dates on that sadly. The 15th February 1999 is the earliest exact date we have.

last anchor Feb 6, 2019, 8:28 PM

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Is there a place we can read the Cortana Letters? I assume they're on Halopedia somewhere

unique rune Feb 6, 2019, 8:29 PM

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Hm. Interesting.

obsidian thistle Feb 6, 2019, 8:30 PM

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https://www.halopedia.org/Cortana_Letters

Halopedia

Cortana Letters

The Cortana Letters are a series of cryptic emails from "cortana@bungie.com", sent to marathon.bungie.org, the most prominent Marathon fan website, before the release of Halo: Combat Evolved. At the time, it was not known who Cortana was, and her emails offered a small glimps...

last anchor Feb 6, 2019, 8:40 PM

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Fascinating stuff

versed helm Feb 6, 2019, 9:24 PM

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Okay so that seems a lot like halo 5 cortana

obsidian thistle Feb 6, 2019, 9:54 PM

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Thats probably why it was used for a Lootcrate Data drop

versed helm Feb 6, 2019, 10:14 PM

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I guess

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I’ve never got any of the loot crates

remote spruce Feb 6, 2019, 11:47 PM

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wait what crate is dis?

obsidian thistle Feb 7, 2019, 12:04 AM

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https://www.halopedia.org/Halo_Legendary_Crate/Data_Drops#Series_2_2

Halopedia

Data Drops

UNSC Data Drop is a collection of classified documents, all of which are owned by Spartan-IV 92738-61842-LC of Fireteam Apollo. These serve as the lore behind the Halo Legendary Crate, and are usually based around the theme of the crate it is in.

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Crate 12 to be more exact @remote spruce

remote spruce Feb 7, 2019, 12:05 AM

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thanks

obsidian thistle Feb 7, 2019, 12:07 AM

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Series 2 had quite the narrative.

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Series 1 has stuff that is relevant to overall events. One that may be relevant in a few weeks in #485883236430512168

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Series 3. I aint sure.

hollow brook Feb 7, 2019, 12:39 AM

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dang u guys are smart

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im super stupid compared to you.

brisk cape Feb 7, 2019, 12:54 AM

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Not gonna lie, that last part from Cortana sounds an awful lot like the Gravemind speaking through Cortona. Or at least the Logic Plague.

wraith pecan Feb 7, 2019, 4:29 AM

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Question I just noticed now for some odd reason but does Atriox have an cybernetic hand he did stop that energy Sword with his hand ?

last anchor Feb 7, 2019, 6:17 AM

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Its not cybornetic, he just has power armor on. His other hand is the same, as are his feet.

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Decimus has something similar, hence why he fights you wearing a literal mech basically

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Jiralhane are not stupid. They are actually quite intentive, in a brutal sort of way

vague scroll Feb 7, 2019, 6:27 AM

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*cybernetic, inventive

It's a shame really that we don't get to see more Brutes of Atriox's nature. Brutes that actually show a degree of factionalism, command structure, logistics, culture, history, and enginuity is something Halo is lacking.

Like you said, Jiralhanae aren't stupid, and they shouldn't be regulated to the "Orks" of the Halo Universe. They're far more than that. Getting to see the full sensibilities of Brute culture in action would be pretty interesting.

tawdry viper Feb 7, 2019, 6:52 AM

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Does the forerunner trilogy of books explain all the stuff with the forerunners since that's the part of the lore I understand the least

vague scroll Feb 7, 2019, 7:07 AM

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It gives us some answers and more questions

tawdry viper Feb 7, 2019, 7:09 AM

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Ok, I was wondering because I have no idea what the mantle of responsibility and the domain and such are

stoic peak Feb 7, 2019, 7:13 AM

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Hyperthetically I wonder where humanity would have stood in the chain of command if we joined the Covenant willingly, and what role we would have played.
I think Human's would have been above Mgalekgolo, Yanme'e, Kig-Yar, Unggoy, Hunters and maybe even above Jiralhanae (maybe).
The reason i say this is because Humans are not Savage like the Jiralhanae and Kig-yar where they might eat there prey and are just Savage, and we dont have rage issues like the Jiralhanae which can make them dumb, we are probably more trusting compared to them as well.
Most of our Soldiers are not cowardly like the Kig-Yar and Unggoy, and are brave fighters and good at Leading group's into battle and using strategy.
So i think we might be just under the Sangheili if not equal to the Jiralhanae only with more trust.

tawdry viper Feb 7, 2019, 7:15 AM

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I'd say inbetween jiralhanae (at least where the jiralhanae were in the ranking at the start of the war) and the mgalekgolo

stoic peak Feb 7, 2019, 7:17 AM

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Jilalhanae were not very trusted at the start, and kinda looked down on.
I dunno if the Sanghili would still look down on us if we joined, well not as much as they look down at brutes

tawdry viper Feb 7, 2019, 7:18 AM

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Now if there were Spartans I think the Spartans would be trusted probably less than the sangheli but more than the mgalekgolo assuming the UNSC joined willingly

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But I think if the humans did join they'd be more navel based than troop bases since the sangheli and brutes are much more efficient on ground than the humans but I think the humans would be better than the brutes at navel combat

stoic peak Feb 7, 2019, 7:21 AM

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I dunno the Covenant found Humans to be a pain in the butt on the ground, we won a lot more Battles on the ground

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Our ODST are great as well

gilded mason Feb 7, 2019, 7:22 AM

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According to The Flood, humans generally lost ground battles around the same-ish rate as naval battles, with the exception of battles involving Spartans.

stoic peak Feb 7, 2019, 7:25 AM

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Ah okay, but only because we were out numbered and they had better tech, in Halo Silent Storm Johnson says there Soldier's are not very well trained and are easy to out think. He was able to out think them on harvest and evacuate the planet under there nose

versed helm Feb 7, 2019, 7:25 AM

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Yeah, but that's compared to Sergeant Johnson

gilded mason Feb 7, 2019, 7:25 AM

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Though I imagine bias might leak into some mindsets.

tawdry viper Feb 7, 2019, 7:27 AM

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Though if they also find the halo rings at the same pace I don't think humanity would have much time to rank up that much in the covenant

stoic peak Feb 7, 2019, 7:28 AM

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@versed helm he was able to evacute all the people off the planet with only a half trained malitia

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I @tawdry viperyeah thats true

tawdry viper Feb 7, 2019, 7:29 AM

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I'd think if humanity had time though they'd be second to the sangheli rank wise

stoic peak Feb 7, 2019, 7:29 AM

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@gilded mason when it comes to tjere Soldiets and fightung skill, its really the Sanghili that show the biggest threat

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@gilded mason Brutes are more savage with Rage Issues, Johnson said if you keep your distance they can be beaten because they are not good at stratagy

zenith sigil Feb 7, 2019, 4:31 PM

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What is halo lore?

royal spear Feb 7, 2019, 4:58 PM

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Basically the story, be that in the games or in the novels and stuff

feral hull Feb 7, 2019, 5:32 PM

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A way for Bungi(former) and 343i to make money off of story thirsty fans menke

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But its also really good and interesting you should read into it

lyric coral Feb 7, 2019, 5:57 PM

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I have a quick cross-universe lore question. Are midichlorians from Star Wars biological entities? I was thinking the flood could possibly infect enough force-sensitive individuals to possibly use the force themselves. What are y’alls thoughts?

gilded mason Feb 7, 2019, 5:58 PM

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Are midichlorians from Star Wars biological entities?
They seem to be.

lyric coral Feb 7, 2019, 5:59 PM

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Hm, so do you think the flood could control them?

gilded mason Feb 7, 2019, 5:59 PM

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Maybe?

lyric coral Feb 7, 2019, 6:02 PM

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Dope

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I’m imagining a scenario in the Star Wars universe where a couple of keyminds start to take form and then start to use high level Jedi mind tricks to basically brainwash the vast majority of the SW galaxy to join the flood

gilded mason Feb 7, 2019, 6:05 PM

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Very diabolical.

lyric coral Feb 7, 2019, 6:08 PM

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I know right

subtle depot Feb 7, 2019, 8:55 PM

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I’m playing through awakening the nightmare and I’m wondering does it happen before or after the events of hw2

gilded mason Feb 7, 2019, 8:55 PM

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After

subtle depot Feb 7, 2019, 9:00 PM

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Okay thanks just curious. Oh yeah I just remembered you see human forces in the first mission

last anchor Feb 7, 2019, 9:58 PM

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If the Flood couldnt control them they'd probably just be assimulatd and made into more FSC

spiral jewel Feb 8, 2019, 12:56 AM

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To those who play HW1&2 how did the crew of the Spirit of Fire discover the flood 20 years before the crews of the Pillar of Autumn and Truth and Reconciliation?

unique rune Feb 8, 2019, 1:01 AM

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There was a Flood outbreak at Shield World 0459, also known as the Etran Harborage, which the Spirit of Fire had followed the Covenant vessel with Anders on board to.

obsidian thistle Feb 8, 2019, 1:02 AM

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There was records, and the Assembly somehow found out. But not all the details. So essentially it wasnt public till John and co survived to spread the tale.

spiral jewel Feb 8, 2019, 1:03 AM

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Thank you. I was confused about something from January

https://www.facebook.com/120685448012735/posts/2073418599406067/

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(the link is from a Post made on the official Halo Facebook page)

last anchor Feb 8, 2019, 1:30 AM

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Yeah thats from Tales from Slipspsace

north stump Feb 8, 2019, 3:17 AM

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Hey, quick question: Does anyone here know of a font that's just Forerunner glyphs?

turbid lintel Feb 8, 2019, 3:19 AM

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https://www.dafont.com/forerunnerhalo.font

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i googled

charred flower Feb 8, 2019, 5:48 AM

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Woow on page 116 of Bad Blood, Buck totally does a "Hello there" reference

last anchor Feb 8, 2019, 6:04 AM

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He does

versed helm Feb 8, 2019, 6:37 AM

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@charred flower what's this about the "Hello there" reference?

charred flower Feb 8, 2019, 6:37 AM

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its a line of dialogue, but its a spoiler if youve not read the book

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ehh not much of a spoiler actually. he says "Hi there" to a group of enemies

gilded mason Feb 8, 2019, 6:39 AM

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Doesn't really sound like a reference.

charred flower Feb 8, 2019, 6:43 AM

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Hi there
Hello there

its close

gilded mason Feb 8, 2019, 6:43 AM

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I'd have to see the exact quote, I suppose.

versed helm Feb 8, 2019, 6:44 AM

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Oh yeah, I remember that

tawdry viper Feb 8, 2019, 6:44 AM

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It does seem like something buck would do

gilded mason Feb 8, 2019, 6:44 AM

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Since saying "hi" or some variation to bad guys isn't really rare.

charred flower Feb 8, 2019, 6:44 AM

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the dialogue is literally "Hi there" but who he says it to is something of a plot spoiler

versed helm Feb 8, 2019, 6:44 AM

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Didn't really come off as much of a reference (in my mind, anyway)

charred flower Feb 8, 2019, 6:44 AM

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does to me but ok

versed helm Feb 8, 2019, 6:44 AM

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I mean it did remind me of it

worldly gazelle Feb 8, 2019, 8:30 AM

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John actually agreed to be a spartan and wasn't just abducted as we are lead to believe.

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Change my mind

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Cos he's ok woth it and doesn't fight back

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So yeah

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Change my mind

carmine sleet Feb 8, 2019, 8:33 AM

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Pretty sure that being kidnapped and forced to train as a super soldier isn't agreeing

quiet dock Feb 8, 2019, 8:33 AM

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its called indocrination

carmine sleet Feb 8, 2019, 8:34 AM

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Indeed, Chief and the others were indoctrinated

tawdry viper Feb 8, 2019, 8:36 AM

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is supposed to be lucky, gets kidnapped and indoctrinated as a child

carmine sleet Feb 8, 2019, 8:39 AM

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I mean, it saved him from getting glassed on his homeworld years later

quiet dock Feb 8, 2019, 8:40 AM

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Part of the point of the backstory is showing how morally grey everything is

carmine sleet Feb 8, 2019, 8:42 AM

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Also true

royal spear Feb 8, 2019, 4:29 PM

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Like how would that conversation even go?

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Hey kid, want to come with us and become a supersoldier through painful augmentations and rigorous training? No? Well crap

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I mean to be fair it does sound awesome but if he declined he'd probably be killed so he'd be forced into it regardless

modest marsh Feb 8, 2019, 6:51 PM

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That’s literally how the S-III program worked though

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Minus the killing the kids part

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They didn’t do that

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@Wicky#5225 ONI broke into John’s home and pulled him out of bed while he was asleep

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Even if he was up for it he had no way to consent

gilded mason Feb 8, 2019, 6:58 PM

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I think he left the server.

fair hazel Feb 8, 2019, 6:58 PM

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It really sounds like this creepypasta story

modest marsh Feb 8, 2019, 6:58 PM

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thinkingchief

fair hazel Feb 8, 2019, 6:58 PM

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Of. At night, when you sleep the men. In black will take you and replace you with a clone

hallow oyster Feb 8, 2019, 7:01 PM

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It could be honestly

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You could make a good story with midnight facility too

fair hazel Feb 8, 2019, 7:04 PM

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That child’s rhyme about Spartans taking you away like they took colonel watts away

royal spear Feb 8, 2019, 7:10 PM

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But Spartans weren't as much of a secret when the III's were created so it would have been different with the II's @modest marsh

modest marsh Feb 8, 2019, 7:13 PM

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How

carmine sleet Feb 8, 2019, 7:13 PM

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They made the existence of the Spartans public but nothing about their actual origins

sullen kernel Feb 8, 2019, 7:18 PM

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they didn't really talk about most of the operations undertaken by spartans either

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the ones they did went through a heavy pr filter

carmine sleet Feb 8, 2019, 7:18 PM

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Indeed, as seen in Hunt the Truth with the H2 cover art

topaz snow Feb 8, 2019, 7:18 PM

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The S-2s were kidnapped and replaced with flash clones. The S-3s were kids who had been orphaned by Covenant attacks so they had a prefacing hate towards the Covenant.

sullen kernel Feb 8, 2019, 7:18 PM

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the average civilian probably only knows that chief was a war hero who kills aliens and doesn't afraid of anything

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if you take the museum of humanity stuff as canon the official record is probably still very idealized

fair hazel Feb 8, 2019, 7:22 PM

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The Spartans being public happened later on but people still knew of them

limpid meadow Feb 8, 2019, 7:35 PM

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2547

wispy bough Feb 8, 2019, 7:36 PM

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I just wanna sit at a table with toa and erickyboo and talk lore for hours

remote spruce Feb 8, 2019, 7:36 PM

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I'm really behind
Like last book I read was Envoy

limpid meadow Feb 8, 2019, 7:37 PM

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Come to the Chicago Outpost Discovery. I play to do just that 😃

remote spruce Feb 8, 2019, 7:38 PM

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Toa talks about Reach while everyone is playing laser tag : p

wispy bough Feb 8, 2019, 7:40 PM

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Only if you pay for flights.

remote spruce Feb 8, 2019, 7:40 PM

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oof UK people

hallow oyster Feb 8, 2019, 7:41 PM

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Rip Brits

wispy bough Feb 8, 2019, 7:41 PM

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It's hard enough getting to Seattle every few months 😭

sullen kernel Feb 8, 2019, 7:47 PM

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just learn to swim really fast

hallow oyster Feb 8, 2019, 7:48 PM

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^ intellectual

fair hazel Feb 8, 2019, 8:00 PM

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That’d be awesome

obsidian thistle Feb 8, 2019, 9:05 PM

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Maybe a few Halopedia reps will be as some of Outpost Discovery locals also. :D

dapper flicker Feb 8, 2019, 9:37 PM

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So can the Master Chief live for centuries? Has he even peaked yet? Will he look like his early to mid 30s for years? If so that would be cool.

modest marsh Feb 8, 2019, 10:02 PM

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I don’t think Master Chief will naturally live for centuries

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And I’d say his physical appearance would exceed that of someone in his 30s

dapper flicker Feb 8, 2019, 10:08 PM

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Bad Blood and the Spartan Field Manual states that Spartans could exceed a century but it has yet to be tested because most Spartans die in battle.

modest marsh Feb 8, 2019, 10:23 PM

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Normal people have been alive for more than a century so that’s not really a useful statement

feral perch Feb 8, 2019, 10:26 PM

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I think it means exceed a century with a strong body and mind

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I.E., be able to take part in combat

dapper flicker Feb 8, 2019, 10:28 PM

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This pertains to the human aging process, Dr. Halsey is an old woman at 66 and Johnson looked like he was in his early 40s by 70.

gilded mason Feb 8, 2019, 10:29 PM

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You should also take into account how much time is spent in cryo.

carmine sleet Feb 8, 2019, 10:31 PM

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Aye, if I recall correctly, it doesn't completely halt the ageing process but slows it down significantly

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Or as many joke with Cutter, makes them younger despite the fact that Cutter looking so different to how he did in Halo Wars 1 being due to how they changed his VA and had him Mocap as him

obsidian thistle Feb 8, 2019, 10:44 PM

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That said. John is dead or MIA in 2595 at the very least.

feral perch Feb 8, 2019, 10:44 PM

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Oh?

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How do we know this?

gilded mason Feb 8, 2019, 10:45 PM

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Was it that memorial commercial?

obsidian thistle Feb 8, 2019, 10:45 PM

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https://youtu.be/YNs9a9zWSqU

YouTube

LYReview

Ly@Cannes Winner - Halo 3: Gravesite

XBOX 360/Halo 3 Gravesite

▶ Play video

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That

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2552 + 43 = 2595

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With a ceremonial burial 5 years prior in 2590

dapper flicker Feb 8, 2019, 10:47 PM

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@gilded mason I agree with the cryo, Chief will look like he's in his 30s for a long time.

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@obsidian thistle Is that still canon since he's "died" in 2558.

last anchor Feb 8, 2019, 10:50 PM

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Yep

gilded mason Feb 8, 2019, 10:51 PM

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Well it was already framed as a fake death in the latter. Though to be honest, the H5 commercials like that one just feel really off to me.

carmine sleet Feb 8, 2019, 10:51 PM

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Chief dying in 2558 was an ONI coverup that could easily be reversed since S-IIs that have previously been thought of being dead/MIA have been seen returning, a good example being Grey Team, who was considered MIA for a long time before the events of Envoy

obsidian thistle Feb 8, 2019, 10:54 PM

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Well its entirely possible the "burial" is based off the fake death in 2558

carmine sleet Feb 8, 2019, 10:54 PM

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Also very true

versed helm Feb 9, 2019, 3:26 AM

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Plot twist

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The old guy in the interview IS John

dapper flicker Feb 9, 2019, 3:34 AM

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If Chief will look the same for centuries I doubt it's him.

vague scroll Feb 9, 2019, 6:09 AM

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That's not a canonical fact.

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Spartans have a supposedly open-ended, indeterminate maximum lifespan but its not established he will look the same for centuries.

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He's already been considerably worn and scarred from a life of warfare.

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But his physicality doesn't necessarily mean he will look the exact same for centuries.

carmine sleet Feb 9, 2019, 6:20 AM

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Aye, even if he could live for centuries, time would take a toll on his body and it would likely be very painful for him. Kinda like what happens to Wolverine in Logan

dapper flicker Feb 9, 2019, 6:48 AM

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Johnson looked like he was 40 at the age of 70. Chief will most likely look the same because I can see 343 sticking with him for the remainder of the main series since other characters are not cutting it.

carmine sleet Feb 9, 2019, 6:54 AM

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The Orion program and the S-II program were very different to one another in almost every way other than the goal of creating super soldiers so using the logic of Johnson being 70 but looking 40 doesn't hold up. That and from a narrative perspective, having Chief moving and behaving the exact same way as he has for over 30 years when he's over a century old would feel off to almost everyone

dapper flicker Feb 9, 2019, 7:00 AM

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Chief and other Spartan IIs went through multiple gene therapies, mixed in with Halo having multiple methods of staying young for eons. such as cryo sleep, augmentation, cryptums, and combat skins. It's not far to believe that the same can apply to Master Chief, Bad Blood was very specific when it said that Spartans lifespan can most likely exceed a century but it was never tested because Spartans always died in battle.

tawdry viper Feb 9, 2019, 7:07 AM

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Didn't master chief also get evolved by the librarian in halo 4 making him even more powerful

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That could theoretically increase his life span

dapper flicker Feb 9, 2019, 7:23 AM

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That too.

tawdry viper Feb 9, 2019, 7:26 AM

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Shouldn't the chief be the strongest spartan after halo 4

dapper flicker Feb 9, 2019, 7:32 AM

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He should, we still don't know the extent of what the Librarians Genesong did to him, going by Halo 5, he has access to the Domain but I hope Infinite can answer some of the other lingering questions about Chief. I also wonder what his last name was since it's his forgotten name and the UNSC wants it to stay confidential for some reason.

tawdry viper Feb 9, 2019, 7:35 AM

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I wonder if that means cortana could also go into his mind during halo infinite, as long as it isn't mid gameplay like halo 3

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I guess she kinda does in halo 5

dapper flicker Feb 9, 2019, 7:38 AM

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Agreed, new Cortana could possibly stop her though since I can see this being a Mendicant Bias vs Offensive Bias situation repeating itself.

tawdry viper Feb 9, 2019, 7:39 AM

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Since I haven't read the forerunner trilogy yet I have no idea what that means

dapper flicker Feb 9, 2019, 7:42 AM

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Chief may find some way to weaken Cortana and we'll end up with a bittersweet ending for her. The good ending being the galaxy is saved, and new Cortana gaining old Cortana's memories and combining them with her own, the bad ending being Cortana's sad death which Chief has to watch a second time that he himself caused and this time original Cortana is never coming back.

gilded mason Feb 9, 2019, 7:43 AM

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and new Cortana gaining old Cortana's memories and combining them with her own
That would be just a bit weird.

tawdry viper Feb 9, 2019, 7:43 AM

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Yeah, that's why I'm not necessarily against cortana coming back as a villian because as long as they don't make her become good again it doesn't erase halo 4's ending and could be more character development if chief has to kill cortana him self

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Since some people said halo 5 undid 4's ending with her coming back as a villian

dapper flicker Feb 9, 2019, 7:45 AM

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@gilded mason True, who knows what would happen, but I can see several factors getting in her way, I think the Warden will betray her and I also believe the Flood could get involved in some way, there's also a possibility of Mendicant Bias since his core is on Zeta Halo.

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@tawdry viper Also true

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Another factor is the Ur-Didact could come into play.

tawdry viper Feb 9, 2019, 7:48 AM

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Honestly despite halo 5 halo infinite still has potential to have a good plot

quiet dock Feb 9, 2019, 7:48 AM

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every game has potential to have a good plot

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a predecessor game doesn't dictate that

tawdry viper Feb 9, 2019, 7:49 AM

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Well if the predecessor plot is bad enough and it's a continuation yes the predecessor can affect things

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But we should get more on topic since I don't know if we're pushing it or not

dapper flicker Feb 9, 2019, 7:51 AM

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@tawdry viper Especially without Brian Reed writing it.

tawdry viper Feb 9, 2019, 7:52 AM

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Yeah while I thought the gameplay was good while straying a bit too far I do agree that halo 5 had a bad plot in general

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Makes you sad when you remember that some people got introduced to blue team in halo 5

dapper flicker Feb 9, 2019, 7:53 AM

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Hey, do you guys think we should have some sort of codex where we could record the world around us in Infinite? I remember liking that feature in Halo CEA for the 360, I also thought it was cool because it reminded me of Metroid Prime and of Doom 2016 and I feel it's something Halo really needs.

tawdry viper Feb 9, 2019, 7:55 AM

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Yeah I think halo definitely needs a doom 2016/dragon age style codex with how expansive the lore is

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Especially if they want to include the expanded universe in the games

last anchor Feb 9, 2019, 7:56 AM

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The Phoenix Logs were a good path forward for that

dapper flicker Feb 9, 2019, 7:56 AM

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@last anchor I agree

strong sage Feb 9, 2019, 8:16 AM

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Phoenix logs are the ones like from Halo wars 1 black box thingy right?

last anchor Feb 9, 2019, 8:17 AM

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Halo Wars 2, though the ones from Halo Wars 1 had their own usefulness

stoic peak Feb 10, 2019, 12:25 AM

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How much more advanced were the forerunners compared to ancient Humanity ? I remember in the forerunner trilogy the Didact mentions something about Ancient Humanity almost being just as advanced as them and if it was not far the Humans fighting the Flood and Forerunners his not sure who would have won between Forerunners and Humans.

feral perch Feb 10, 2019, 12:31 AM

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It's difficult to say for sure because of how little is known about ancient humans

stoic peak Feb 10, 2019, 12:35 AM

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A trilogy of books based on the Ancient Humans would be cool ! Maybe it could be our pov during our war with the Flood and Forerunners

full forge Feb 10, 2019, 12:37 AM

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Could there be a flood research facility on Onyx?

gilded mason Feb 10, 2019, 12:39 AM

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Doesn't seem likely to me.

full forge Feb 10, 2019, 12:49 AM

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Around 95% of Onyx is yet unexplored.

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And it'd make sense for the final resting place of the forerunners to contain an area they could "safely" study the parasite forever.

stoic peak Feb 10, 2019, 12:50 AM

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Onyx is bigger now as well

gilded mason Feb 10, 2019, 12:50 AM

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Though the purpose of Onyx was to be protected from the Halos, and the Flood.

stoic peak Feb 10, 2019, 12:51 AM

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Its huge now, didnt they say it would take generations to explore it in Halo Legacy Of Onyx

full forge Feb 10, 2019, 12:51 AM

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The Halo arrays themselves contain related facilities, despite the array's purpose being the elimination of the parasite.

gilded mason Feb 10, 2019, 12:53 AM

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Yes, though holding Flood in a place where you're supposed to be safe from them makes a bit less sense.

stoic peak Feb 10, 2019, 12:53 AM

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Its in its own Slipspace nibble thing now as well, and has no contact with anyone outside of it after the events of Halo Legacy Of Onyx

full forge Feb 10, 2019, 6:59 AM

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@gilded mason 343 Guilty Spark safely studied the flood parasite for a long period of time on Installation 04, despite being susceptible to the logic plague.

latent mason Feb 10, 2019, 7:42 AM

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Is the reach skUll helmet canon

last anchor Feb 10, 2019, 7:49 AM

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No

carmine sleet Feb 10, 2019, 7:53 AM

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Aye, it's just a cool thing to have for reaching max rank but the UNSC isn't interested in making zombified Spartans if that's what you are thinking

wispy bough Feb 10, 2019, 7:54 AM

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Not yet 😈

tawdry viper Feb 10, 2019, 7:55 AM

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They do say Spartans never die

carmine sleet Feb 10, 2019, 7:57 AM

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As long as they don't discover the T-Virus

fair hazel Feb 10, 2019, 7:57 AM

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If they do, contact auntie dot

fair hazel Feb 10, 2019, 8:14 AM

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Was my joke that bad

tawdry viper Feb 10, 2019, 8:14 AM

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I can't say for the other people I just had nothing to add

full forge Feb 10, 2019, 9:21 AM

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Indeed.

charred flower Feb 10, 2019, 9:46 AM

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Indeed

runic furnace Feb 10, 2019, 6:47 PM

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Flood parasites doesn't spread logic plague, what I have understood, logic plague, is just, well,logic. Those flood that was trapped in Installitation 04 didn't have enough logical capacity to do it. Nor any means to do it.

gilded mason Feb 10, 2019, 6:49 PM

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logic plague, is just, well,logic
Indeed

dapper flicker Feb 10, 2019, 7:03 PM

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Question, how can one gain the logic plague? Just how powerful are these gods?

gilded mason Feb 10, 2019, 7:05 PM

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The logic plague is the Flood using words to convince somebody else of what the Flood wants to convince them of.

dapper flicker Feb 10, 2019, 7:06 PM

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I think my brain just exploded.

olive trench Feb 10, 2019, 7:07 PM

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Flooding irl

vague scroll Feb 11, 2019, 12:07 AM

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Its not that strange, we do it all the time when we talk to people. By communicating and discussing and arguing, we change our perceptions of the world. The Gravemind is simply hyperaware of what to say or do to change our ideals and perceptions.

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The Flood is essentially a programmer working on a human as if its a computer program.

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Or like a puppetmaster and its puppet.

feral perch Feb 11, 2019, 12:08 AM

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Which means that the logic plague is not really even a plague

vague scroll Feb 11, 2019, 12:09 AM

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It's just a change of thinking.

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2+2=5

feral perch Feb 11, 2019, 12:09 AM

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is that how it works?

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you're convinced to believe something factually incorrect?

vague scroll Feb 11, 2019, 12:10 AM

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No. More like you're convinced to believe whatever your tormentor wants you to believe.

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Its a staple of torture techniques.

feral perch Feb 11, 2019, 12:10 AM

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Ah.

vague scroll Feb 11, 2019, 12:11 AM

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If a will can be broken where an individual is willing to say or believe whatever the tormentor wants the tortured soul to believe, that is the tolerance that person will take before people break to any other change of mental state.

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Its unethical but its war.

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Logic Plague is simply a more precise form of torture.

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Or even manipulation, I haven't read the Forerunner trilogy but I don't think it is specifically torture.

subtle depot Feb 11, 2019, 12:12 AM

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Which is why Cortana is so messed up by the time chief finds her

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It’s mental torture

vague scroll Feb 11, 2019, 12:12 AM

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In Halo 3, yep.

last anchor Feb 11, 2019, 5:23 AM

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Considering that the Gravemind has nearly limitless "computation power" and endless patience, its terrifying

strong lotus Feb 11, 2019, 5:31 AM

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Are sentinels vulnerable to logic plague?

last anchor Feb 11, 2019, 5:35 AM

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Very much so

strong lotus Feb 11, 2019, 5:37 AM

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Strange because they are very simple AI then again that may make them easier targets for logic plague

last anchor Feb 11, 2019, 5:37 AM

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It does

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Mostly the Flood targets their commander (usually an ancilla like Spark), turns that, and the Sentinels turn with it

remote spruce Feb 11, 2019, 5:39 AM

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Just hack stuff like Anders /s

charred flower Feb 11, 2019, 5:52 AM

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so what is not vulnerable to the logic plague?

remote spruce Feb 11, 2019, 5:53 AM

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Things that don't use logic (half joke)

gilded mason Feb 11, 2019, 5:54 AM

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Anything not sapient, I would imagine.

charred flower Feb 11, 2019, 5:54 AM

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hmmm

spiral lily Feb 11, 2019, 5:54 AM

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Aren’t you only susceptible to the logic plague when a gravemind is in play?

charred flower Feb 11, 2019, 5:54 AM

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Id think so

spiral lily Feb 11, 2019, 5:54 AM

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Where’s the gravemind to turn guilty spark?

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They put the containment facilities there so they could be studied. No gravemind. No risk of logic plague

dense patrol Feb 11, 2019, 9:08 AM

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how would a being of any type or anything convince a AI to become defective

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in the lore, the primordial caused forerunner interrogators to commit suicide.. how though?

versed helm Feb 11, 2019, 9:23 AM

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@gilded mason I think you mean sentient

royal spear Feb 11, 2019, 4:27 PM

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@dense patrol .Well as humans we consider ourselves as intelligent, but considering the wider picture we could be one of the least intelligent creatures in the universe. While this could be hyperbolic, in relation to what you said the primordial was leagues beyond our intelligence so could do things through speech that we could never do, such as convince the interrogators to kill themselves

last anchor Feb 11, 2019, 4:29 PM

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Id hazard that orcas here on earth are more intelligent than humans are, but thats not exactly relative

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Also it probably just told them something they didnt wanna hear. People kill themselves because they cant live with something they did all the time.

royal spear Feb 11, 2019, 4:30 PM

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Very true, all you have to do is push the right buttons

remote spruce Feb 11, 2019, 4:40 PM

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Primordial: "Halo Wars 3 will never release"
Ancient Humans: "welp"

royal spear Feb 11, 2019, 4:42 PM

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Primordial: "Microsoft will sell the rights of Halo to Activision"

last anchor Feb 11, 2019, 4:42 PM

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See, there you go

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Primordial: "Halo 3 Anniversary will be nothing more than tacked on microtransactions"

royal spear Feb 11, 2019, 4:44 PM

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Primordial: "Halo infinite was a battle royale the whole time"

gilded mason Feb 11, 2019, 5:47 PM

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@versed helm
I mean, I imagine you'd have to be sapient to understand what the Flood was telling you, so I do mean sapient. What did you mean?

versed helm Feb 11, 2019, 5:49 PM

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Oh I assumed you meant sentient. But did you mean it as in homosapien or as in being wise

gilded mason Feb 11, 2019, 5:50 PM

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Sapient, as in the next step beyond sentient.

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Being able to reason and such

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as in being wise
So yeah, that.

versed helm Feb 11, 2019, 5:52 PM

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English isn’t my strong suit, but I don’t think that word quite matches what you’re trying to convey. But really anything that can think (even in the most primitive fashion) can fall victim to it, or at least that’s what I’ve gotten so far

gilded mason Feb 11, 2019, 5:52 PM

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Sapient has been used quite often to say what I'm conveying, from what I can tell.

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But really anything that can think (even in the most primitive fashion) can fall victim to it
As in, even an animal like a beaver or something?

versed helm Feb 11, 2019, 5:53 PM

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Probably.

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Animals have reasons behind actions

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Primitive, but still reasons

gilded mason Feb 11, 2019, 5:54 PM

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I see. That sounds pretty odd to me, but if you are right, then sentient would be a better for word it, yes.

royal spear Feb 11, 2019, 5:55 PM

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But they don't have conscious control over them

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Castrate livestock and they don't even try to reproduce

versed helm Feb 11, 2019, 5:55 PM

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Something equivalent to a biological computer could probably convince a deer to stop eating and start charging at humans

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I have no evidence to support this, but it just makes sense to me

vague scroll Feb 11, 2019, 6:11 PM

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Google "Zombie Deer"

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And look in the News section.

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Have fun.

feral perch Feb 11, 2019, 7:26 PM

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hold up

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lemme just grab Halo: Warfleet

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According to its glossary...

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Sapient: "High-order thinking life capable of symbolism and abstraction."

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Sentient: "Low-order thinking life."

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Hope that helps.

versed helm Feb 11, 2019, 7:30 PM

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thinkingchief

last anchor Feb 11, 2019, 7:48 PM

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Yeah that sounds about right

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Wait what

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Thats a swear word? Okay then bot...
Anyway

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Sapient means "sapien like".

gilded mason Feb 11, 2019, 7:49 PM

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lol

last anchor Feb 11, 2019, 7:49 PM

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OHHHH I get it.

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Its the first part of homosapien.

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Latin word for "same"

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Thats what it got mad about

gilded mason Feb 11, 2019, 7:49 PM

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Oh. Huh.

last anchor Feb 11, 2019, 7:49 PM

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I mean it IS an insult

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Anyway that makes sense why its organized like that.

glacial crag Feb 12, 2019, 1:51 AM

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guiltyspark stop being human

modest marsh Feb 12, 2019, 2:15 AM

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Quit being such a homoerectus

unique rune Feb 12, 2019, 2:22 AM

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gottem

strong sage Feb 12, 2019, 9:03 AM

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Lads how dangerous it is when Macs are deployed in the atmosphere by judging from Jorge’s reaction during reach.

versed helm Feb 12, 2019, 9:35 AM

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Well, a super MAC, if fired in atmosphere,

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The shockwave would destroy something the size of new Alexandria

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And then some

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A Mac round from a frigate would probably shatter windows, knock stuff of shelves

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And honestly feel like a quick earthquake

strong sage Feb 12, 2019, 9:39 AM

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What the fack they are that destructive? I thought it would be just a normal effect like uhhh 105mm rounds or something

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I guess all the debates regarding mac causing a crater size destruction is true :/

charred flower Feb 12, 2019, 9:53 AM

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Nearing the end of Bad Blood. It's interesting to see how the tension in the buildup to the climax, battle scene, and then the climax intertwine with how Forbeck wrote Bucks conversational first person narration, if that makes any sense. Like, in much of the narration, it reads in my mind as calm unless you're reading an action scene.

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The biggest reason for this is how Buck leads and talks as a character, with authority, yet with humor, urgency and his trademark conversational tone. I make this sound complicated since I'm typing it past 2 am.

modest marsh Feb 12, 2019, 11:46 AM

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@strong sage MAC rounds are effective against ships that can melt cities

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Obviously they’re going to be on a similar level

strong sage Feb 12, 2019, 11:47 AM

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Has there been an instance where macs provide orbital bombardment support other than battle of reach?

modest marsh Feb 12, 2019, 11:47 AM

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Orbital bombardment?

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Oh well, you’re talking about the frigate yes?

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There’s a limit to how hard a kinetic weapon can hit in atmosphere, both because of collateral and because the atmosphere itself will vaporize the projectile