#lore-and-universe | Halo | Page 155

versed helm Dec 30, 2018, 5:10 AM

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Along with The Fall of Reach,First Strike,and The Flood

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I got all 3 books of the Forerunner Trilogy and i read Broken Circle a few times

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Who else besides me read Broken Circle?

gilded mason Dec 30, 2018, 5:11 AM

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Right here.

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One of the best Halo books.

versed helm Dec 30, 2018, 5:12 AM

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Agreed

gilded mason Dec 30, 2018, 5:12 AM

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Made all the sweeter there being no humans.

versed helm Dec 30, 2018, 5:12 AM

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How good is Halo:Last Light

gilded mason Dec 30, 2018, 5:12 AM

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I liked it quite a bit.

versed helm Dec 30, 2018, 5:12 AM

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Or how good is Bad Blood?

gilded mason Dec 30, 2018, 5:13 AM

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Never read it.

versed helm Dec 30, 2018, 5:13 AM

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Oh

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But back to Broken Circle..remember the part where Crecka mentioned being attacked by unidentified assailants in the System of Miasmic Giants?

gilded mason Dec 30, 2018, 5:14 AM

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Ye

versed helm Dec 30, 2018, 5:15 AM

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Here is the obvious question,what was the species that attacked Crecka's ship?

gilded mason Dec 30, 2018, 5:16 AM

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Don't believe it was ever said.

versed helm Dec 30, 2018, 5:18 AM

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Personally i believe that these "unidentified assailants" are basically an unknown race that inhabits the Halo galaxy

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It could be possible that they could be the same race that crash landed on Alpha Halo as shown in the CE:A Terminals

remote spruce Dec 30, 2018, 5:20 AM

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Space Bears

versed helm Dec 30, 2018, 5:26 AM

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I know i've said it before but overall,why don't we see any more alien races outside of the ones we already have?,How many races survived the Great Purification and the subsequent reseeding outside of the ones we already have

vague scroll Dec 30, 2018, 5:27 AM

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We know that 123 sapient species were cataloged and redistributed to their home worlds after the Halo array fired. Any of them could be those unknowns.

versed helm Dec 30, 2018, 5:28 AM

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Well it would depend on how many of those 123 races successfully survived into the modern era

gilded mason Dec 30, 2018, 5:29 AM

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And the series mostly takes place in the Orion Arm. A lot of galaxy yet unexplored by the various factions.

vague scroll Dec 30, 2018, 5:29 AM

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True. Nonetheless, its reason enough to believe any of them could be it. Extragalactic forces on the other hand seem to be too slim of odds.

last anchor Dec 30, 2018, 5:30 AM

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I dont think we'll know until we have reason to do so

remote spruce Dec 30, 2018, 5:30 AM

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Space Bears, 343i said so

versed helm Dec 30, 2018, 5:31 AM

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Yeah..makes you wonder who or what lives outside of the Orion Arm

vague scroll Dec 30, 2018, 5:31 AM

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I'd personally prefer 343i not introduce any extragalactic factions since most of the explored galaxy is only the Orion Spur, it would be a shame to not use all that avaliable unexplored space rather than try to up the stakes.

Halo like a lot of franchises suffer from situations like that, where the threat has to be significantly bigger than previous because authors worry their stories will be boring.

remote spruce Dec 30, 2018, 5:32 AM

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Hopefully something not humanoid, do Hunters count as that?

last anchor Dec 30, 2018, 5:32 AM

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IMO the rest of the galaxy is the Star Wars one.
The Orion Arm is the Unknown Regions.
XD

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The UNSC is gonna have a FIELD day when it hits the First Order

remote spruce Dec 30, 2018, 5:32 AM

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Nah it's Gundam

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MECHS

vague scroll Dec 30, 2018, 5:33 AM

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For example, the Didact was easily the weakest pillar in Halo 4 narratively. Take him out of the game and just let it be about Chief and Cortana trying to escape a hostile shield world and race against the clock to reach Halsey to save Cortana would have been just as good or better in terms of storytelling.

last anchor Dec 30, 2018, 5:33 AM

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Not wrong

gilded mason Dec 30, 2018, 5:33 AM

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@vague scroll
Agreed.

versed helm Dec 30, 2018, 5:34 AM

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^

remote spruce Dec 30, 2018, 5:34 AM

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Get rid of the covenant

vague scroll Dec 30, 2018, 5:34 AM

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By just redoubling the focus on the game's strongest qualities you can get a much more enjoyable product. Of course though, hindsight is 20/20.

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The Created are the symptom of a similar issue.

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By setting up the UNSC as a galactic superpower, the sense of the impending doom the Covenant set it self up to be is no longer present.

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And thus, we needed a new big bad for fear the story wouldn't be as enjoyable.

last anchor Dec 30, 2018, 5:37 AM

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Sorta what happened to Star Wars

vague scroll Dec 30, 2018, 5:37 AM

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The Halo 5 marketing tied with the game we got shows that 343i likely wanted to do a lot with Halo 5 but couldn't fit everything in at the same time and make it work.

A combination of overambition and too many interesting ideas suffering from poor execution. They put too many eggs in one basket.

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Calling back to that one interview where a 343i employee was bragging about how cool their engine for Halo 5 was that they threw one of the maps together and populated with fully animated, fully destructible cactus. Turned out it crashed the Xbox One hardware.

remote spruce Dec 30, 2018, 5:41 AM

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That is slightly more hilarious than Bungie stating how much AI they could fit on one screen then the actual game showing Tip of the Spear's intro as the only use of that

last anchor Dec 30, 2018, 5:42 AM

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Thats not even fully active AI either

vague scroll Dec 30, 2018, 5:45 AM

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Yeah Star Wars suffers to a degree of the super-massive threat syndrome but its a veteran to that issue rather being a new concept.

Rather, Disney failed to learn from the Star Wars EU they killed off and turned into Legends. And put several different contradictory visions at the helm of their new project.

The First Order wasn't given much to work with in terms of levity. It seems to be more powerful than the Empire and yet...not so.

The Yuzh Vong or however the group was pronounced from the New Jedi Order series is an example of needing to up the difficulty because the New Republic was too powerful a group.

A fully organic, non-Force involved super society with a pension for Borg-like assimulation and Mongol-like raid tactics is a cool concept on paper but a boring enemy in execution. They're just a big bad that was created for the Star Wars novels to have some threat to the Jedi who might as well be gods at the point in Luke Skywalker's career. He technically beat a god in the form of the Mother.

last anchor Dec 30, 2018, 5:46 AM

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The Vong. Ahh. THE VONG

vague scroll Dec 30, 2018, 5:47 AM

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Sorry its been a while since I checked on those New Jedi Order novels.

remote spruce Dec 30, 2018, 5:47 AM

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Forget The Created, Infinite is got to raise the stakes with The Rebooted

last anchor Dec 30, 2018, 5:47 AM

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Hehe

versed helm Dec 30, 2018, 5:48 AM

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Lol

vague scroll Dec 30, 2018, 5:48 AM

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Lmao, that was pretty good.

versed helm Dec 30, 2018, 5:48 AM

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Well it would depend on if Halo Infinite takes place after Halo 5

vague scroll Dec 30, 2018, 5:49 AM

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Its hinted at.

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Halo Infinite's teaser had a time stamp of 2560.

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You can find it on the dashboard computer of the crashed Pelican gunship.

remote spruce Dec 30, 2018, 5:50 AM

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I know Infinity is the most hated ship in Halo since the Phantom guns in Halo 2 legendary, but I hope it just doesn't blown up

vague scroll Dec 30, 2018, 5:50 AM

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Got to turn your video graphic setting way up to properly read it though.

gilded mason Dec 30, 2018, 5:50 AM

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but I hope it just doesn't blown up
Let that rust bucket fry!

vague scroll Dec 30, 2018, 5:51 AM

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I think it deserves to crash to keep up with the Halo motif that CE set up.

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Every main Halo game is required to have a crashing starship as a set piece... apparently.

remote spruce Dec 30, 2018, 5:51 AM

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Yeah at least something that doesn't feel like another reset for the sake of resets

vague scroll Dec 30, 2018, 5:52 AM

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Or to escape from an exploding alien or human installation/ship

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The Infinity I think deserves to crash but like Halo 4, just let it get back up at the point where the momentum of the game starts to shift.

last anchor Dec 30, 2018, 5:53 AM

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Commencing Warthog run

vague scroll Dec 30, 2018, 5:53 AM

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You know...the Infinity would probably be good for that.

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Its going to get blown up isn't it?

gilded mason Dec 30, 2018, 5:54 AM

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Its going to get blown up isn't it?
Hell yeah.

remote spruce Dec 30, 2018, 5:55 AM

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Chief is the last Spartan because we gotta make players feel special

unique rune Dec 30, 2018, 5:55 AM

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That will make me upset.

vague scroll Dec 30, 2018, 5:55 AM

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Man. I've seen so much discussion and complaints about Halo 4 and 5, we really are banking on Infinite to be just decent...

remote spruce Dec 30, 2018, 5:56 AM

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I'm hoping it isn't just a complaint addresser

vague scroll Dec 30, 2018, 5:56 AM

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It's going to be very difficult to be great but at least be hopeful it puts people's faith in 343i to keep the series going.

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Complaint addresser it shouldn't be but building on what didn't work before is a must.

remote spruce Dec 30, 2018, 5:57 AM

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Yes, but don't do a Jul is what I'm saying

vague scroll Dec 30, 2018, 5:58 AM

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Kill off one of their most interesting characters...yeah, please don't.

versed helm Dec 30, 2018, 5:59 AM

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Tbh,it would've been better if the Arbiter killed Jul

vague scroll Dec 30, 2018, 5:59 AM

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It would have been better that he not die at all.

gilded mason Dec 30, 2018, 5:59 AM

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It would have been better that he not die at all.
Indeed. I was always partial to Haru's imagining of it.

remote spruce Dec 30, 2018, 5:59 AM

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So at this point I'm expecting ICONIC and not much else

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No wait, space deer

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Yes space deer

last anchor Dec 30, 2018, 6:00 AM

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Yes

vague scroll Dec 30, 2018, 6:01 AM

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Halo 4 set up his story, Spartan Ops was intended to last several seasons but poor reception forced the narrative to get sidelined as Escalation. Then the Created plot was birthed and Reed came back and realized he had to kill off the ideas he put up in Halo 4 in the first place.

last anchor Dec 30, 2018, 6:02 AM

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Which is dume

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And annoying

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did Reed work on Halo 4?

gilded mason Dec 30, 2018, 6:02 AM

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did Reed work on Halo 4?

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Spartan Ops

vague scroll Dec 30, 2018, 6:02 AM

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I'm still uncertain what his mindset or feeling about his story ideas were. I wonder if he had a lot of good ideas that just didn't work in translation. I definitely don't like how they turned out.

remote spruce Dec 30, 2018, 6:02 AM

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Spartan Ops

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Spartan Dalton for Infinite

vague scroll Dec 30, 2018, 6:03 AM

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I honestly feel bad for him, with how everything turned out. Even if I don't like his work.

remote spruce Dec 30, 2018, 6:03 AM

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Actually what was with Infinity finding some ships that belonged to Spirit of Fire?

vague scroll Dec 30, 2018, 6:04 AM

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Since my anger against him evaporated, I've been feeling more just questioning how he's doing now and whether he had good intentions just dished out a poor hand.

last anchor Dec 30, 2018, 6:04 AM

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Pilgrims Pride had the Spirit's ID number I think

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That might be it

vague scroll Dec 30, 2018, 6:04 AM

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Halo 4 and 5 were certainly his biggest projects to date and now he's out.

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His last piece of work for the Halo franchise was the short Rossubach's World I believe.

remote spruce Dec 30, 2018, 6:05 AM

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Hood drinking alcohol part 1

vague scroll Dec 30, 2018, 6:05 AM

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Yeah, that was bad.

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But he also gave us the Maya Sincar AI.

last anchor Dec 30, 2018, 6:06 AM

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You can tell he didnt really feel it

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To be fair Hunt The Truth did but he gave us confirmation

vague scroll Dec 30, 2018, 6:07 AM

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True. That said, Rossbach's World is not a bad story. It's a rather decent short even and asks some very interesting questions.

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Or at least explored some ideas.

remote spruce Dec 30, 2018, 6:08 AM

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Hunt The Truth is great
A cumulation of 343i's UNSC lore that adds further context

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Like the idea that S-IIs were purposly selected from outer colonies

vague scroll Dec 30, 2018, 6:09 AM

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I've heard people despise it as well but its one of my favorite Halo lore pieces. I don't think there is a single Halo medium that has explored civilian life better than HTT.

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They weren't by the way. That was sloppily put together data.

remote spruce Dec 30, 2018, 6:09 AM

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Oh

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That explains Randall

vague scroll Dec 30, 2018, 6:10 AM

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Several Spartans were from inner colonies. Randall-037 is from Earth even.

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Yeah.

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If anything Mushak was simply wrong with his data.

remote spruce Dec 30, 2018, 6:10 AM

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Too much Unggoy Farmer

vague scroll Dec 30, 2018, 6:11 AM

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As a human character, he's biased. And by breaking Halo's own internal lore, it actually made the story better.

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Or rather it omitted since it was never a proper retcon.

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But I really want to just see more focus on the Halo universe from civilian eyes.

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I don't care much for the Created plot. I care about Earth, Humanity, and the post-Covenant rump states that popped up.

versed helm Dec 30, 2018, 6:13 AM

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^

remote spruce Dec 30, 2018, 6:13 AM

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I like that part in season 2 where it talks about synthetic food

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It's so random, but it's good

vague scroll Dec 30, 2018, 6:14 AM

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Jungle, Orca I believe you guys have heard me talk about some of my ideas for my fanfic writing but that's generally what I've been so badly aching to see anywhere in the Halo franchise, anywhere. Because I don't or I only see hints.

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I don't mind seeing more romance in Halo, or more stories about children. But I want more grounded stories and I don't need to see more military or Spartan action, this series' universe is honestly too big to just be centered around that.

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After reading Legacy of Onyx's first 4 chapters, I thought back to the prologue from PS4's The Last of Us and realized Halo could pump out some small scale story games. The idea that came into my head was like Joel's daughter but another child character dropped into the Halo universe over the course of days and weeks listening and watching news reports or hearing rumors at school or from neighbors while living a normal life at school or home just as the reports about the Guardian Custode's waking up across the galaxy. That in it self I feel could make for a decent short game demo not unlike Life is Strange or the Telltale games but significantly shorter.

cunning pawn Dec 30, 2018, 6:33 AM

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Nice job Tide

vague scroll Dec 30, 2018, 6:39 AM

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Im sorry

versed helm Dec 30, 2018, 7:45 AM

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Am I the only one that thinks it's kinda cool how Thel has a similar height and body size to Sun Mingming?

last anchor Dec 30, 2018, 7:47 AM

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It was cool

versed helm Dec 30, 2018, 8:01 AM

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Yeah.. Then they had to make him a Shadow of the Colossus boss battle

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Elites are just way too big in Halo 5. Imposing stature is cool and all, but you want them to be small enough to resonate emotionally with human characters easily.

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H2A Arbiter looked right

severe bone Dec 30, 2018, 9:05 AM

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In that sunaion level, the arbiter actually hunched to the smaller height when addressing Locke

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After that he stood up and became big again

versed helm Dec 30, 2018, 11:06 AM

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He's still not supposed to be that tall. H2 Thel is tall enough that he would have to duck his head against my doorway, but he's not kissing the roof or anything like that

vivid dust Dec 30, 2018, 11:31 AM

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I feel like everything’s ridiculously bigger since Halo 4

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Except the Marines who got smaller

narrow wadi Dec 30, 2018, 12:57 PM

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I am now a proud owner of Halo: New Blood!

obsidian thistle Dec 30, 2018, 1:02 PM

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Great :)

narrow wadi Dec 30, 2018, 1:08 PM

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I’m gonna finish First Strike and then I read that!

obsidian thistle Dec 30, 2018, 2:14 PM

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May I recommend Playing ODST again?

vivid dust Dec 30, 2018, 2:27 PM

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I need to start New Blood too

narrow wadi Dec 30, 2018, 2:45 PM

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I’ve literally been planning a Heroic ODST playthrough to start as my next Halo thing, actually

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Continue the trend of playing through Halo games with the difficulty upped

versed helm Dec 30, 2018, 5:05 PM

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How good is Halo:Hunters In The Dark?

carmine sleet Dec 30, 2018, 5:08 PM

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I enjoyed reading it

remote spruce Dec 30, 2018, 5:41 PM

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uhhhhhhhhhhh

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it's ok at best

fair hazel Dec 30, 2018, 5:51 PM

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Fun read

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is there a halo book that I hated? Not realy so yeah

feral perch Dec 30, 2018, 6:00 PM

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It's one of the weakest books IMO

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but it has information that other lore references

vague scroll Dec 30, 2018, 6:04 PM

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Particularly Halo Wars 2

remote spruce Dec 30, 2018, 6:15 PM

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~~it references how many times i lose in HW2~~

obsidian thistle Dec 30, 2018, 6:31 PM

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The only Halo books I am always frustrated by is the Halo Encyclopedia versions.

last anchor Dec 30, 2018, 6:33 PM

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With good reason.

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Seriously, they made the United Rebel Front a THING because someone wrote that in Halopedia?

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Come on guys.

vague scroll Dec 30, 2018, 6:35 PM

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That said, now that its been made a thing, its nice to have multiple Innie groups in the lore.

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Reflects the reality of how messy a rebellion movement spread across an interstellar empire can be..

versed helm Dec 30, 2018, 6:35 PM

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True

last anchor Dec 30, 2018, 6:37 PM

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I like the Successionist Union. Kinda sounds like Rebel Alliance in a way, which I find amusing

charred flower Dec 30, 2018, 8:25 PM

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Seeing the above conversation about fanfiction, I've had a few ideas to write one that is one of a few concepts: a survival piece, one with hope in some form, a political and social story akin to a story you found in Fractures, or take a different genre and merge it with Halo's military sci fi

warm ingot Dec 30, 2018, 9:41 PM

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I always wanted to make a story similar to Halo ever since I first played it.

narrow wadi Dec 30, 2018, 9:46 PM

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I’ve been contemplating writing a story myself, I’ve been bouncing around the idea of a mixed ODST/Sangheli squad, but haven’t done anything with it

charred flower Dec 30, 2018, 9:48 PM

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IVe had a few ideas for over three years and just recently got the idea to try them again. Im busy with other writing right now; a HAlo story will have to wait

narrow wadi Dec 30, 2018, 9:50 PM

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Yeah, I’m similar, except my writing is crap

charred flower Dec 30, 2018, 9:53 PM

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Im developing my writing as well. Ijust got part of my degree in it; need to get it better anyhow

narrow wadi Dec 30, 2018, 9:54 PM

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Whoo! I’m happy for you.

charred flower Dec 30, 2018, 9:57 PM

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thanks!

versed helm Dec 30, 2018, 9:57 PM

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I'm also working on my own space fantasy universe

charred flower Dec 30, 2018, 10:00 PM

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Cool
I have a science fiction/futuristic single player game concept Ive worked on for over a year and a half

versed helm Dec 30, 2018, 11:00 PM

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I also have or had something of a fantasy or high fantasy concept as well

charred flower Dec 30, 2018, 11:04 PM

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cool deal

versed helm Dec 30, 2018, 11:40 PM

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I did some measurements for the heights of characters in H2A just for fun

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From comparing Chief and Arbiter to Johnson, Chief measured around 2.15 meters, and Arbiter ~2.35 meters

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which stacks up pretty well with the numbers given

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but, when comparing Tartarus to Miranda with the same method, he only comes as ~2.5 meters tall - barely any larger than Thel

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The official numbers, however, put Tartarus's height at another foot taller than that. thinkingchief

civic plank Dec 31, 2018, 1:33 AM

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I've always found Halo lore to be incredibly interesting

versed helm Dec 31, 2018, 1:36 AM

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Why?

unique rune Dec 31, 2018, 1:37 AM

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it tastes good

narrow wadi Dec 31, 2018, 1:37 AM

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Cuz it’s insanely interesting with loads to read and dissect, at least for me.

brisk cape Dec 31, 2018, 2:01 AM

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^^ that.

feral perch Dec 31, 2018, 2:36 AM

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Is there any indication of what the CPV-class actually stands for?

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It's a heavy destroyer seen in Halo Wars and several graphic novels

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but other than Covenant, I'm not sure what the abbreviation is.

feral perch Dec 31, 2018, 2:58 AM

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Hm. The one in Halo Wars is named the Proclamation's Tithe.

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I wonder...

versed helm Dec 31, 2018, 3:11 AM

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I wonder if Lisbon Station has been compromised by the created

vague scroll Dec 31, 2018, 3:58 AM

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It's possible. The proximity to I05 makes it a priority target.

versed helm Dec 31, 2018, 4:58 AM

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How much of the galaxy does the Created control as of right now?

gilded mason Dec 31, 2018, 5:01 AM

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I guess a majority of the Orion Arm at least.

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Unknown status for everywhere else.

versed helm Dec 31, 2018, 5:02 AM

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Now that i think about it...why would ONI betray Chief?

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Like that whole Biko incident

severe elbow Dec 31, 2018, 5:04 AM

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My theory is that it was part of ONI's overall plan to discredit Ben Giraud. They likely filled the Master Chief in on it, and I doubt he minded. He likely doesn't really care about his public perception.

versed helm Dec 31, 2018, 5:04 AM

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Seems kind of disturbing..considering what eventually became of Ben Giraud

gilded mason Dec 31, 2018, 5:04 AM

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A bit, yeah

severe elbow Dec 31, 2018, 5:05 AM

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I doubt they told him specifically about Ben.

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They would likely go "Hey, we need to paint you in this light for a tactical advantage over a bad element, OK?"

gilded mason Dec 31, 2018, 5:06 AM

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Though I like how in Kilo-5, Parang or Osman talked about how they would declassify the SII project, and then nothing ever came of it.

vague scroll Dec 31, 2018, 5:38 AM

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I believe she said she would eventually do it. Given how Hunt the Truth Season 1 ended with perpetual all-out civil war in the Outer Colonies, you have to admit that the unspoken truth is they simply decided to not go through with it.

Talking to focus groups and performing AI-run simulations likely proved to them that revealing it was impossible without the threat of civil war. Best then, to discredit the dirty laundry through Ben because the truth is crazier than the lie.

ONI is better set to manage a fringe element that propogates a truth the majority of the population already accepted as fake.

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While it was ultimately someone of Michael Sullivan's pay grade or higher that concocted the Giraud false-flag operation, that might have beem Parangosky's legacy to Halsey to hang her dirty laundry out to dry. It was a half-truth when you look at how HTT played the plot out, ONI knew that someone like Mashak was going to put the pieces together eventually, so, they controlled the story instead.

remote spruce Dec 31, 2018, 5:47 AM

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Big Maggie didn't get her wish

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That or she lied

vague scroll Dec 31, 2018, 6:00 AM

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White lie but still a lie. She owes Halsey nothing. She didn't need to tell her she would leak the S-IIs' stories. She did it for her conscience, at the end of the day. Some ego-stroking.

remote spruce Dec 31, 2018, 6:00 AM

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Big Maggie why

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Can you imagine her reaction to the Created?
"Damnit another galaxy threat"

gilded mason Dec 31, 2018, 6:02 AM

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"I kinda caused this!"

remote spruce Dec 31, 2018, 6:05 AM

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"I'm going back to cryo sleep, wake me when you need someone to yell at you"

severe bone Dec 31, 2018, 2:30 PM

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Politics..how tiresome

vague scroll Dec 31, 2018, 4:36 PM

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Ruth Charet 2552!

versed helm Dec 31, 2018, 6:42 PM

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Is she still alive?

severe elbow Dec 31, 2018, 6:51 PM

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As of 2558.

dusk flint Dec 31, 2018, 8:08 PM

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oh god not the helmet footage

versed helm Dec 31, 2018, 10:37 PM

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Regarding the ending for Halo Wars 2,how is a Guardian Custode able to pull objects out of slipspace?

last anchor Dec 31, 2018, 10:38 PM

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Forerunner slipspace capabilities.

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They knew how to use it way better than we do.

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Its the Halo equivilent of the Star Wars universe's Interdicter

versed helm Dec 31, 2018, 10:40 PM

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It's also got me thinking about the Line Installations,how are they able to shoot down ships in slipspace

last anchor Dec 31, 2018, 10:41 PM

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Giant slipspace-tearing guns. We saw one in Bloodline and we saw one on Wreckage in 4

versed helm Dec 31, 2018, 10:44 PM

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Speaking of Wreckage..iirc..didn't the description for that map say that whatever planet that it's set on contains the remains of UNSC and Covenant ships,but also ships belonging to undiscovered species

last anchor Dec 31, 2018, 10:45 PM

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Yes.

carmine sleet Dec 31, 2018, 10:45 PM

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It did but it's not likely we'll learn who the unknown ships belonged to any time soon

versed helm Dec 31, 2018, 10:52 PM

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Seriously..i would love to see more alien races outside of the ones we already have,we know that other alien races inhabit the galaxy since all of the Halo media released within the last 7 years or so have mentioned the existence of other,unknown races that inhabit the Halo galaxy,most notably the unknown alien spacecraft that crash landed on Installation 04 as shown in the CE:A terminals...and i know i asked this before but it still bothers me

last anchor Dec 31, 2018, 10:53 PM

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~~First Order when~~

versed helm Dec 31, 2018, 10:56 PM

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But still,and i apologize if keep bringing it up but is there a reason as to why we don't see any other alien races outside of the ones we already have

last anchor Dec 31, 2018, 10:59 PM

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Series limitations. If you start throwing in new races willy-nilly, you start to dilute the core of the seires

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See; the issues that the series had with the Brutes and Drones being introduced in Halo 2, and the Skirmishers in Reach.

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Even Star Wars has problems with it to a certain extent. And the fact that for the most part the seires is human-centers

gilded mason Dec 31, 2018, 11:00 PM

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And the fact that for the most part the seires is human-centers
😔

versed helm Dec 31, 2018, 11:00 PM

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True..couple with the fact that most of the series takes place within the Orion Arm,the rest of the Milky Way Galaxy is unexplored

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Which brings up another thought...how large was the Covenant's sphere of influence prior to the Great Schism?,did they control territories outside the Orion Arm?

last anchor Dec 31, 2018, 11:04 PM

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Probably not

versed helm Dec 31, 2018, 11:06 PM

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Remind me,wasn't there something that mentioned the reason as to why the Covenant never deployed their full military might against humanity

last anchor Dec 31, 2018, 11:06 PM

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Several. The Banished, for one reason. The Prophets wanting the war to drag on for as long as possible to ensure their rule. Religous dogma. The simple displacement of the Covenant's fleet and the requirement of keeping their existing empire intact

gilded mason Dec 31, 2018, 11:07 PM

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The Banished, for one reason.
Eh, the Banished were only a hit-and-run type of deal and only popped up during the very late years of the war.

versed helm Dec 31, 2018, 11:08 PM

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Makes me wonder,were they at war with other interstellar civilizations besides humanity

gilded mason Dec 31, 2018, 11:09 PM

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There were implications of it. Like Regret's dialogue in Halo Wars.

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How too much of the Covenant focusing on humans would leave the Covenant defenceless.

versed helm Dec 31, 2018, 11:11 PM

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And something about Truth stating that "No enemy has ever withstood our might"

gilded mason Dec 31, 2018, 11:11 PM

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Though with Truth, you could say he means every other Covenant species before they got offered the chance to join up.

last anchor Dec 31, 2018, 11:13 PM

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~~They fought the Empire. THRAWN XD~~

versed helm Dec 31, 2018, 11:18 PM

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Remind me,didn't the Drones get inducted into the Covenant via a treaty

last anchor Dec 31, 2018, 11:18 PM

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I believe so

versed helm Dec 31, 2018, 11:20 PM

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And the Kig-Yar joined the Covenant only for monetary reasons

severe elbow Dec 31, 2018, 11:26 PM

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And they would be glassed if they didn't.

vague scroll Jan 1, 2019, 12:28 AM

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Welcome to the wider galaxy hingeheads. It only gets more crowded everyday!

versed helm Jan 1, 2019, 2:23 AM

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I wonder what the rest of Africa is like in the 26th Century,since they usually focus on Eastern Africa

fair hazel Jan 1, 2019, 2:32 AM

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lots of cities probably

dusk flint Jan 1, 2019, 3:31 AM

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arent they repopulating where the flood hit? ~~after it was cheaply covered up by ONI?~~

last anchor Jan 1, 2019, 3:39 AM

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Nope. That whole area is a mile-deep glassland

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Except around the Excission

fair hazel Jan 1, 2019, 4:30 AM

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The amount of glassage is exaggerated

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Half a continent wasn’t literally glassed.

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The area yes

versed helm Jan 1, 2019, 4:35 AM

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Hood exaggerates a lot

last anchor Jan 1, 2019, 4:47 AM

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Its still a lot of area thats glassed.

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Even if it isnt half a continent its still several hundred kilometers at least

charred flower Jan 1, 2019, 9:22 AM

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new years means new Halo lore aye

versed helm Jan 1, 2019, 10:43 AM

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Does anyone remember how Blue Team held on to one another during Silent Storm's slingshot manoeuvre?

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They were all grabbing on to each other to form a column during the 30 gee acceleration. For the Spartan behind John, they were holding fast with 35 metric tonnes of weight on their back, plus their own ~18 tonnes tugging on John's thruster pack. This is an insanely good feat; both for Spartan strength as well as the armour's tensile strength.

feral perch Jan 1, 2019, 4:10 PM

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Because science fiction

narrow wadi Jan 1, 2019, 4:29 PM

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Weird question cuz I’m talking with a friend

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Spartan-IIIs were made from stolen kids, weren’t they?

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I know IIs were, but my memory on III lore is fairly lacking

feral perch Jan 1, 2019, 4:30 PM

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IIIs were made from orphans of the Covenant War.

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Their induction into the program was more consensual than the IIs.

narrow wadi Jan 1, 2019, 4:58 PM

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I gotcha.

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I’m reading first strike now

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I have never been so overjoyed to see Johnson before

versed helm Jan 1, 2019, 6:30 PM

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Jonny Jonny

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Yes pa pa

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Killing covenant

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No pa pa

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Telling lies?

last anchor Jan 1, 2019, 7:22 PM

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All the time

modest marsh Jan 1, 2019, 11:37 PM

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@obsidian thistle you know, after 3 years you'd think i would've noticed by now, but i just realized that the M820 Scorpion has a coaxial machine gun

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https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/universe/vehicles/scorpion you can plainly see it on the waypoint page

craggy creek Jan 2, 2019, 2:03 AM

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I want to get nerdy about halo

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I'm looking for all games/books/etc just for master chief era

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Not sure where to start can anyone help a noob out

obsidian thistle Jan 2, 2019, 2:06 AM

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https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/db05ce78845f4120b062c50816008e5d/topics/halo-story-and-where-to-find-it-v3/c0051ce8-49a3-4ab9-bd73-b77d9e73174a/posts

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Thats a list of all Halo lore

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I have plans to try and make that list more accessible somehow

versed helm Jan 2, 2019, 2:07 AM

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Done

craggy creek Jan 2, 2019, 2:08 AM

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@obsidian thistle you the best thank you

obsidian thistle Jan 2, 2019, 2:19 AM

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I aint the best. Just one fan giving you something you wanted :)

dusk flint Jan 2, 2019, 3:13 AM

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more flood to deal with for me

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how ironic that a combat form was carrying a sentinel beam

obsidian thistle Jan 2, 2019, 3:20 AM

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You talking Halo 2? Halo 3?

dusk flint Jan 2, 2019, 3:21 AM

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2

dusk flint Jan 2, 2019, 4:28 AM

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time to go lower the containment shield at the sentinel wall

versed helm Jan 2, 2019, 7:03 AM

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I still wonder..what happened to 049 Abject Testament?

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Seems kind of strange that a Forerunner monitor,especially one that's the caretaker of a Halo installation would just vanish like that

torpid sonnet Jan 2, 2019, 7:16 AM

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he went for a pizza

swift igloo Jan 2, 2019, 12:13 PM

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He could've just ordered the pizza though

lilac palm Jan 2, 2019, 12:21 PM

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the area glassed became known as the exclusion zone. Alpha Nine was deployed to make sure the flood were no longer there. They weren't.

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Maybe testament was in hibernation? 343 guilty spark would do it at times as seen in the Halo CE terminals

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Maybe the area glassed was terraformed

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or at least ONI is planning to.

narrow wadi Jan 2, 2019, 12:35 PM

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I was musing on this, and I wanna check if my logic here is false

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I was thinking about how Truth was likely the biggest factor in the Covenant losing the Human/Covenant war in the end

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Specifically because of the Great Schism, and his alienation of the Covenant’s warrior class being something that they just couldn’t recover from

onyx vigil Jan 2, 2019, 12:43 PM

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You are not wrong I think that he believed that since his goals where close the sanghelli would not matter because there would be no long game… how wrong he was

narrow wadi Jan 2, 2019, 12:49 PM

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Here’s his greatest issue as far as canon goes

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Was assuming that the Brutes would work as front-line troops

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Cuz the Brutes just aren’t good for that. They’re good as heavies and as a last resort, as well as for defence, but if you’re forcing them to adhere to tactics, and plans, it’s deminishing their effectiveness

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There’s a reason why in Halo 3, the most terrifying Brutes are ones with Hammers. They play to their strength, others often do not

vague scroll Jan 2, 2019, 1:58 PM

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Gameplay wise, they're limited in their weaponry and tactics, however, Brutes are terrifying and would make great combat troops as shown by Halo: Landfall and the dioramas from Halo 3: Believe.

vivid dust Jan 2, 2019, 1:58 PM

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the fact that you could see them destroy Marines with a single punch or throw them against walls helps too

narrow wadi Jan 2, 2019, 2:04 PM

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That’s the thing

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Brutes are best when they’re, well, being brutish

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Conforming to strategies and tactics just isn’t their MO

vague scroll Jan 2, 2019, 2:05 PM

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They're an intelligent species, they can do more than be a checklist on alien stereotypes.

narrow wadi Jan 2, 2019, 2:05 PM

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SOME obviously do this, Tartarus and Atriox both come to mind, but by and large, giving the average brute armour and telling him to do the tasks of an elite isn’t going to be as efficient as having elites do it

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The issue is that Truth just isn’t using them effectively

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Elites are trained in military doctrine and combat, to a far greater extent. They’re more tactical and it shows through technology like Active Camoflage.

Brutes trained in tactics can do the jobs of elites, but the way Truth did it, just swapping them out, isn’t going to be as effective, and even if he did train them, some of the benefits that they bring would be wasted because of the simple fact that they’re so large that stealth and recon is a great challenge.

vague scroll Jan 2, 2019, 2:08 PM

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size doesn't determine if someone can be quiet.

narrow wadi Jan 2, 2019, 2:08 PM

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No but it does mean they’d stick out

vague scroll Jan 2, 2019, 2:09 PM

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Active camo negates any issues of that matter

narrow wadi Jan 2, 2019, 2:09 PM

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And while we know certain brutes are very good at stealth, it’s harder to be so than the Sangheli

vague scroll Jan 2, 2019, 2:09 PM

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As a counter argument, Elites don't make good ground troops because they're too honor-bound to take the necessary actions in a fight.

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Either way, they're stereotypes, if you want to look at lore - all species should be looked on as a different flavor of human in a different body form and different culture. For the most case, aliens and humans should be able to adapt to most situations.

narrow wadi Jan 2, 2019, 2:12 PM

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My point here is effectively “when Truth tried to switch the Elites with the brutes, he did so poorly since the Brutes weren’t expected to handle these tasks prior”

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Brutes of higher ranks stood better in the change, and as such were more dangerous, but your standard brutes were less so, because they were trained instead in using overwhelming force to take down targets, and not things like strategies

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That’s why Brutes were dropped into New Alexandria during Reach, for example

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The entire reason being “they’re more effective at killing, but less trained in things like strategies and objectives, where Elites are overall more effective@

vague scroll Jan 2, 2019, 2:14 PM

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I find it hard to agree with you when gameplay doesn't account for lore.

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There were Elite and Brute units prevalent through the entirety of New Alexandria.

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Brutes were heavily present in Exodus but that was more for the sake of enemy diversity.

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Can't spend your entire game fighting Elites all day.

narrow wadi Jan 2, 2019, 2:15 PM

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But at the same time, my point here still applies

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They dropped Brutes into heavily populated areas cuz they’re better at killing in high numbers

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Whereas in the next mission, they largely had elites guarding the jammers, cuz Elites are better in that role

vague scroll Jan 2, 2019, 2:16 PM

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They only had one variant of the objectives in New Alexandria that was guarded by Elites

narrow wadi Jan 2, 2019, 2:18 PM

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Still, my opinion is basically just “Truth messed up by replacing the elites with brutes that didn’t have the same training and therefore lacked the skills needed.”

vague scroll Jan 2, 2019, 2:18 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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I consider it more Covenant politics than anything else. The lack of experience of Brutes in starship officer positions and their actual lack of experience regarding technology and maintainence is really what I consider to have done them in. Especially since the Brutes lost the ensuing Blooding Years against the Sangheili after the San'Shyuum disappeared and the Jiralhanae started fighting among themselves.

narrow wadi Jan 2, 2019, 2:23 PM

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That’s what I mean, tbh.
The Brutes were thrown into roles they had little to no experience in and were expected to operate with the same efficiency as the Sangheli, and while on the ground, they could adapt, their lack of skill in space combat was their true downfall

vague scroll Jan 2, 2019, 2:24 PM

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Yeah but I fail to see that their downfall can be accounted to their status as a species.

narrow wadi Jan 2, 2019, 2:24 PM

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Rtas basically summed it up as “3 brute ships vs 1 elite ship is an even fight” and that’s fairly accurate, given the Sangheli had decades of training in theses areas, and at most the Brutes has a few months

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And I’ll agree that I was a little too harsh

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Sorry

vague scroll Jan 2, 2019, 2:25 PM

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nah, not harsh at all, just an opinion I didn't agree with because it looked like you were using gameplay as an explanation.

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so no problem, no need to apologize

narrow wadi Jan 2, 2019, 2:26 PM

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Yeah, I was using gameplay as well

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I’ll still stand by the fact that the covenant would have been way more effective in combat if they used Brutes as heavies rather than just keeping them largely as defence

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Using a bunch of Sangheli and light troops like grunts and jackals to keep them back and then using a Brute with a hammer to break their lines would be very effective for a strategy

vague scroll Jan 2, 2019, 2:28 PM

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I'll take that opinion, that's a valid concern, not sure if I agree with it but I can see that being a decent explanation

narrow wadi Jan 2, 2019, 2:28 PM

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Mhm, it’s just an idea I was musing on with the Beutes

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*Brutes

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In a side note, Johnson was in his seventies when he died

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That’s fairly ridiculous

vague scroll Jan 2, 2019, 2:29 PM

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SPARTAN-1/Orion augs, also gene therapy extending the human lifespan

narrow wadi Jan 2, 2019, 2:30 PM

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I’m aware, but I’m still allowed to be like “can I look that good when I’m his age”

vague scroll Jan 2, 2019, 2:34 PM

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I wish too...

elder mica Jan 2, 2019, 2:40 PM

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You know why he looks that good?

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Cos he knows what the ladies like.

versed helm Jan 2, 2019, 3:39 PM

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Brutes would be very low on my list of Covenant species to fight.

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Probably only above Hunters. Brutes sheer size, man you'd be dead if you didn't get the jump on them. Same with Elites I suppose though.

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That's one of the things that makes the UNSC so heroic to me. Regardless of role, or task, they very rarely ever had the upper hand. The average UNSC Marine has to be absurdly brave to go up against a Brute or Elite.

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Silent Storm really highlighted that to me.

modest marsh Jan 2, 2019, 6:34 PM

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Engaging any Covenant species in direct combat is substantial risk

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Their ability to kill you significantly outweighs the feasibility of you killing them

tropic ginkgo Jan 2, 2019, 7:08 PM

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Fighting to keep your species from going extinct is probably a good motivation

narrow wadi Jan 2, 2019, 7:31 PM

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Yep.
And I will say, there’s one race where you could fight them in Direct Combat and win, and that’s Engineers

feral perch Jan 2, 2019, 7:32 PM

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that's cruel

narrow wadi Jan 2, 2019, 7:32 PM

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One on one, you win every time, but the Engineer is more likely to fix your gear than even try to fight

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So just have a heart, make a friend, and win

feral perch Jan 2, 2019, 7:32 PM

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I say you could win a fight with a drone

narrow wadi Jan 2, 2019, 7:32 PM

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Are you armed?

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Oh, and is this fight one v one?

feral perch Jan 2, 2019, 7:33 PM

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unarmed 1v1

severe elbow Jan 2, 2019, 7:33 PM

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The Drone just needs to grab you, lift you up, and drop you.

narrow wadi Jan 2, 2019, 7:33 PM

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The San’Shyuum, then

feral perch Jan 2, 2019, 7:33 PM

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So kick it first

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Unless it's a Prelate

narrow wadi Jan 2, 2019, 7:34 PM

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Given their current state, you could beat a San’Shyuum down without really even having to try

severe elbow Jan 2, 2019, 7:34 PM

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I feel like I could beat up a Yonhet.

narrow wadi Jan 2, 2019, 7:34 PM

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I could beat up a Lekgolo

gilded mason Jan 2, 2019, 7:34 PM

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I feel like I could beat up a Yonhet.
They are made to be bullied.

narrow wadi Jan 2, 2019, 7:35 PM

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Seriously anyone could kill a Lekgolo

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Just stamp on it

tropic ginkgo Jan 2, 2019, 7:37 PM

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Egnineers are so adorable, save them 😦

narrow wadi Jan 2, 2019, 7:39 PM

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That’s why I commented on it cuz I had to, but then explained the best way to win against them is to make a friend

carmine sleet Jan 2, 2019, 7:40 PM

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Engineers are definitely a nice addition to the franchise, being a passive enemy that you can ignore without any repercussion for doing so. Hoping they show up again in future FPS Halo games

severe elbow Jan 2, 2019, 7:41 PM

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Well, the repurcussion is that they give the enemy more shields.

carmine sleet Jan 2, 2019, 7:42 PM

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True

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Forgot about that bit

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Then again, if all the other enemies are dead... thinkingchief

severe elbow Jan 2, 2019, 7:45 PM

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And if we're talking Halo Wars, their healing basically necessitates taking them out first.

carmine sleet Jan 2, 2019, 7:45 PM

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Also true

narrow wadi Jan 2, 2019, 7:51 PM

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I need to play more Wars

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I’m only up to Arcadia Outskirts (I just beat that level, I dunno what’s next)

severe elbow Jan 2, 2019, 7:51 PM

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Next is Dome of Light.

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I still haven't played the Definitive Edition I got with Halo Wars 2. I feel shame.

narrow wadi Jan 2, 2019, 7:53 PM

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Do you get it when you install it, or is that an extra thing you get only with certain editions?

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If it’s an install, I’m downloading Wars 2 now, so I can play without needing the disk in my machine

severe elbow Jan 2, 2019, 7:54 PM

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You get it if you got the Ultimate Edition of Halo Wars 2 (different from the Complete Edition).

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Otherwise it's a standalone digital purchase.

narrow wadi Jan 2, 2019, 7:55 PM

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Ah, I was wondering about that

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I nearly got the ultimate edition

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But it costs 70!

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For context, I got my copy of the standard edition of Wars 2 for £15

severe elbow Jan 2, 2019, 7:56 PM

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Where are you seeing that price? The Xbox Store?

narrow wadi Jan 2, 2019, 7:57 PM

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In the shop where I bought my copy of Wars 2

carmine sleet Jan 2, 2019, 7:58 PM

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CEX by any chance Minny?

narrow wadi Jan 2, 2019, 7:58 PM

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Like the copy they sold of Wars 2 with Wars 1 and Awakening the Nightmare was £70, the pre-owned copy was £15

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No, Game

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CeX is actually decent as far as pricing goes

carmine sleet Jan 2, 2019, 7:59 PM

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Ah, I see

severe elbow Jan 2, 2019, 8:00 PM

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The Ultimate Edition doesn't have Awakening the Nightmare. It has HWDE and the Season Pass.

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The Complete Edition has the Season Pass and Awakening the Nightmare, no HWDE.

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I'm not sure if the Ultimate Edition is sold physically anymore. That may be why the price was higher.

feral perch Jan 2, 2019, 8:04 PM

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I got a physical copy of the Ultimate Edition. It was fun, going through the season pass, waiting to see what the new leaders would be.

carmine sleet Jan 2, 2019, 8:12 PM

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Shame there aren't going to be any more added

modest marsh Jan 2, 2019, 8:13 PM

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@feral perch Drones are 200lbs on average and have natural armor + weapons with their spikes and claws

severe elbow Jan 2, 2019, 8:13 PM

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Yeah but the game got a lot of DLC, especially compared to the first game.

modest marsh Jan 2, 2019, 8:13 PM

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You’d lose every time without a weapon

severe elbow Jan 2, 2019, 8:13 PM

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But I bring the gun show with me wherever I go.

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flexes

modest marsh Jan 2, 2019, 8:14 PM

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Chitinous exoskeletons don’t care how hard you punch them

versed helm Jan 2, 2019, 8:15 PM

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Are we talking about Skyrim

modest marsh Jan 2, 2019, 8:15 PM

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Also the advantage of flight can’t be understated

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When your opponent is tougher, at least as strong, is anatomically weaponized, and completely trounces your mobility, trying to beat one down with your barehands is hopeless

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Maybe someone with decent H2H skills could manage a grapple hold to subdue one, but the viability of that is minuscule to say the least

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@narrow wadi Engineers significantly outmuscle humans and would easily protect themselves from a physical assault

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Plus they can

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You know

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Fly

versed helm Jan 2, 2019, 8:23 PM

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Halo Wars is definitely worth playing/completing.

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Saying that as someone who didn't play the original Halo Wars till this past fall.

narrow wadi Jan 2, 2019, 8:24 PM

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I love Forge

versed helm Jan 2, 2019, 9:09 PM

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He's a solid character.

versed helm Jan 2, 2019, 9:34 PM

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I understand the irony and potential redundancy of asking this in a Halo discord...but are the comics worth the dosh? I've been eye-balling Escalation for a while and figure I should go ahead and pick em up. Never gotten a Halo comic before.

gilded mason Jan 2, 2019, 9:35 PM

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Escalation, not so much.

versed helm Jan 2, 2019, 9:35 PM

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Why? Just low quality?

gilded mason Jan 2, 2019, 9:35 PM

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Basically.

severe elbow Jan 2, 2019, 9:35 PM

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The first seven issues are good.

gilded mason Jan 2, 2019, 9:35 PM

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Those are with Thel, right?

severe elbow Jan 2, 2019, 9:36 PM

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And the later ones have at least some cool moments.

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First three are with Thel, yeah.

gilded mason Jan 2, 2019, 9:36 PM

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Then I agree

feral perch Jan 2, 2019, 9:36 PM

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Rise of Atriox is your best bet @versed helm

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It's solid pretty much all the way through

gilded mason Jan 2, 2019, 9:36 PM

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Though one other nice thing to come of Escalation is the Sangheili Ayit ‘Sevi.

feral perch Jan 2, 2019, 9:37 PM

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Though issue 4 was a tad confusing

versed helm Jan 2, 2019, 9:37 PM

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Gotcha.

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I've heard overwhelmingly positive things on Rise of Atriox, so no suprise there.

gilded mason Jan 2, 2019, 9:38 PM

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I kinda just felt like rolling my eyes throughout Rise of Atriox. Not so much the comic itself (kinda) but because how hypocritical Atriox is compared to the comic and game.

versed helm Jan 2, 2019, 9:38 PM

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Atriox was criminally under utilized in HW2 IMO.

gilded mason Jan 2, 2019, 9:38 PM

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Everyone was

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Let Volir got three lines of dialogue and one brief appearance

versed helm Jan 2, 2019, 9:39 PM

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He's basically just the stereotypical "angry brute dude" until the last mission.

feral perch Jan 2, 2019, 9:42 PM

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He kinda just treats humans as lowly fodder

severe elbow Jan 2, 2019, 9:42 PM

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The Shipmaster is 2's Brute Chieftan, except he actually gets to participate in the story.

feral perch Jan 2, 2019, 9:44 PM

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un what

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*um

narrow wadi Jan 2, 2019, 9:46 PM

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Do you mean Tartarus?

versed helm Jan 2, 2019, 9:59 PM

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@versed helm check the pinned messages in this channel for a full list of halo media while your interest is high :) it’s the first link to halo waypoint

severe elbow Jan 2, 2019, 10:00 PM

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No, as in Halo Wars 1, the three Covenant Leaders were the Arbiter, the Prophet of Regret, and the Brute Chieftan, who didn't participate in the story. In Halo Wars 2, the three Banished Leaders are Atriox, Decimus, and the Shipmaster, who has a small role in the story, only slightly better than the Brute Chieftan in the first game.

gilded mason Jan 2, 2019, 10:01 PM

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Though I don’t know why they call him “Shipmaster” when he actually has a name.

feral perch Jan 2, 2019, 10:10 PM

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for people who don't bother to know what anything is beyond the simplest terms

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some people still call the Banished the Covenant

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just

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pls

severe elbow Jan 2, 2019, 10:11 PM

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shrug

versed helm Jan 2, 2019, 10:27 PM

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Oh yeah

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Oooooh yeah

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I just recently started playing HW2 with some friends who have had it for a long time, and I literally had to shove it down their throats that the banished are not convenant and to stop calling them that

obsidian thistle Jan 2, 2019, 10:30 PM

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Kinda a shame about the Chieftain in the og Halo Wars. External media for him made him out to be somewhat interesting only for him to be made bonus material only pretty much.

versed helm Jan 2, 2019, 11:52 PM

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@versed helm Thanks. Unfortunately I've already worked my way through almost all of the books, games and shows/media. All I've got left is the comics.

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Only books I haven't read are Legacy of Onyx and Battle Born(which just came out yesterday) lol.

narrow wadi Jan 3, 2019, 1:00 AM

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I’ve got to read a tonne of the lore now, and I’m currently chipping my way through First Strike

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It’s a bloody good read

versed helm Jan 3, 2019, 1:19 AM

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Nylunds books are the best.

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Enjoy them.

versed helm Jan 3, 2019, 5:40 AM

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Speaking of the Brute Chieftain from HW1..whatever became of him

remote spruce Jan 3, 2019, 5:47 AM

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unknown, maybe he's leading a faction

fair hazel Jan 3, 2019, 5:50 AM

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I read out battle born already @versed helm

versed helm Jan 3, 2019, 5:57 AM

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Cool.

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Did you enjoy it?

fair hazel Jan 3, 2019, 6:03 AM

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Yeah

versed helm Jan 3, 2019, 7:05 AM

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What's the general consensus on Silent Storm? I finished it earlier this week and it might be my favorite Halo novel since Ghosts of Onyx and Nylunds other masterpieces.

gilded mason Jan 3, 2019, 7:06 AM

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I liked the Covenant parts quite a bit, though I think it was a mistake to have them suffer a defeat like that so early in the war. Also, Nizat is great and I hope we see more of him.

versed helm Jan 3, 2019, 7:07 AM

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Why do you think it was a mistake?

gilded mason Jan 3, 2019, 7:08 AM

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Eh, just think it was too big a blow to them after such a small amount of time had passed.

versed helm Jan 3, 2019, 7:10 AM

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Can't say I hold the same opinion, but each to their own.

maiden mica Jan 3, 2019, 7:53 AM

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Does the Flood show up on Thermal scans/scopes/visors?

versed helm Jan 3, 2019, 7:57 AM

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I'd imagine so considering they're bio-mass and probably put off heat.

versed helm Jan 3, 2019, 8:20 AM

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How old is ONI?

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@versed helm it was founded in 2178

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I wonder if they are descended from the CIA and FBI

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Likely

unique rune Jan 3, 2019, 8:47 AM

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~~Probably more descended from the real life Office of Naval Intelligence.~~

charred flower Jan 3, 2019, 9:07 AM

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does that actually exist?

unique rune Jan 3, 2019, 9:10 AM

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yes

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US Navy has its own Office of Naval Intelligence

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been around since like WWII

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er no
scratch that
been around since the 1880s

charred flower Jan 3, 2019, 9:13 AM

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ahh

vivid dust Jan 3, 2019, 9:17 AM

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hide your six-year olds

versed helm Jan 3, 2019, 9:18 AM

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I wonder if it's possible to create something similar to the Spartan programs in real life

clear wren Jan 3, 2019, 9:20 AM

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Most probably... but we're far off it.

versed helm Jan 3, 2019, 9:21 AM

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And it might break like God knows how many international and ethics laws

carmine sleet Jan 3, 2019, 9:28 AM

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Powered assault armour is being developed I believe

unique rune Jan 3, 2019, 9:30 AM

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Powered exoskeletons are in the works...

clear wren Jan 3, 2019, 9:33 AM

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Wonder what'll happen when theres masive war and people have those...

versed helm Jan 3, 2019, 10:28 AM

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How would a Silent Shadow elite fare against a Zealot?

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Or an Ultra

narrow wadi Jan 3, 2019, 11:35 AM

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From everything I’ve seen, they’d win

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Fairly handily

versed helm Jan 3, 2019, 11:36 AM

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Command Zealot

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Not the fat and slow ones from Halo 4 and 5

narrow wadi Jan 3, 2019, 11:39 AM

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The Silent Shadow are noted as being able to kill Spartan-IIs fairly capably

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They’d win

carmine sleet Jan 3, 2019, 11:52 AM

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@versed helm You say they're fat and slow yet they do move like Elites from previous games during gameplay

narrow wadi Jan 3, 2019, 11:53 AM

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^^^^%

versed helm Jan 3, 2019, 11:54 AM

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I've never seen them dive or evade at all, what are you talking about?

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@carmine sleet

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Not once has there ever been an instance when I'm playing H4 and 5 and thought "whoa, that elite is pretty quick!"

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Though Rtas and the Elites from Hunters in the Dark, now those guys are fast for sure

vivid dust Jan 3, 2019, 12:27 PM

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since Reach their movements just look dumb imo

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also the feet

versed helm Jan 3, 2019, 12:34 PM

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Reach Elites weren't exactly the greatest, either. At least they still had some nimble animations with their Evade ability, though - as well as how strong they felt being a plus.

vague scroll Jan 3, 2019, 12:40 PM

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You heard it here first folks: 343i is recommended to move forward with Elite character designs to have a dodge-roll that moves at the speed of sound.

torn comet Jan 3, 2019, 1:10 PM

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plz make elite awesome like halo 3. plz 343i

narrow wadi Jan 3, 2019, 1:19 PM

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So they aren’t there at all as enemies?

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Interesting tactic

vivid dust Jan 3, 2019, 1:29 PM

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Lmao

vague scroll Jan 3, 2019, 1:39 PM

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Stealth Elites just evolved into something greater.

torpid sonnet Jan 3, 2019, 3:04 PM

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if the Halo2a armor elites return in infinite i am gonna be so pshyced

vivid dust Jan 3, 2019, 3:10 PM

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I don't mind the Halo 4 armors honestly

severe elbow Jan 3, 2019, 3:14 PM

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I like 4's Zealot design a lot.

torpid sonnet Jan 3, 2019, 3:14 PM

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they have grown on me too

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but i love the halo2a armors

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since banished used them are they still canon

narrow wadi Jan 3, 2019, 3:22 PM

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I like the Halo 4 and 5 armours a lot

torpid sonnet Jan 3, 2019, 3:22 PM

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they seem more realistic for that elite type

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imagien then in h2a armors

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lols

vivid dust Jan 3, 2019, 3:24 PM

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I don't like the Elites beneath it but I hope the armors make it into Infinite

narrow wadi Jan 3, 2019, 3:25 PM

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I was looking at the H3 armour designs and they really reminded me as to the fact that they don’t really look as good as we remember them to be

vivid dust Jan 3, 2019, 3:26 PM

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eh I like them too

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but the Elites also had hecking big feet

versed helm Jan 3, 2019, 4:49 PM

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Hello

severe elbow Jan 3, 2019, 4:55 PM

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Hey.

vivid dust Jan 3, 2019, 4:58 PM

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hi

cyan kraken Jan 3, 2019, 4:59 PM

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Hi.

clever fable Jan 3, 2019, 5:40 PM

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It'd be neat if we could get more frequent tidbits of world building in the vein of map descriptions without the 3+ year delay between games. Small bite sized, maybe even novella-esque types of things released once a month alongside one of 343i's weekly/monthly posts on waypoint.

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I think they got close to that with the idea behind the stuff found in the loot crate idea, but I feel like that might be restricted to too small a part of the audience, and inevitably doesn't attract as many people as the idea should.

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It's a big galaxy full of possible stories, so why not make it feel that way, eh?

severe elbow Jan 3, 2019, 5:52 PM

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Well, we get around three books most years.

obsidian thistle Jan 3, 2019, 5:53 PM

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And a referece book

severe elbow Jan 3, 2019, 5:53 PM

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2018, three years after Halo 5, we got the physical release of Smoke and Shadow, an issue of Rise of Atriox, Collateral Damage, Bad Blood, Silent Storm, Fireteam Raven, and the Spartan Field Manual.

clever fable Jan 3, 2019, 5:56 PM

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Although true, in retrospect that didn't really stack up for me as big as it looks as a list.

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Raven worked well as a game for friends, but ironically it's the kind of story that I'd like to see short descriptions of in those types of posts. I don't know how things work behind the scenes, but if there's any other offshoot narratives like that, that don't pan out for sellable products, I'd like to see them salvaged for this instead of possibly being buried and forgotten.

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It'd mean no loss of money, and more material for the fans to appreciate.

feral perch Jan 3, 2019, 6:02 PM

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Silent Storm and the hardcover collection of Rise of Atriox were probably the best items from 2018 as far as Halo lore goes.

severe elbow Jan 3, 2019, 6:10 PM

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I think I'd put Bad Blood and Smoke and Shadow before Rise of Atriox, but yeah, Atriox was pretty good.

feral perch Jan 3, 2019, 6:14 PM

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Bad Blood was good but

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It had a ridiculous number of typos and/or printing errors

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Quality control got really lazy

severe elbow Jan 3, 2019, 6:16 PM

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I do remember it having two different names for the planet the Hole in the Wall was on, and the time Buck spent in Spartan-IV training was wrong.

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But it's rare that kind of thing affects my overall enjoyment of something.

obsidian thistle Jan 3, 2019, 6:16 PM

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Ah that wrong name thing

feral perch Jan 3, 2019, 6:16 PM

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No, it was way more pervasive than that. It was distracting to me.

obsidian thistle Jan 3, 2019, 6:17 PM

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Where I had a whole idea of the planet orbiting two suns

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No one has killed that idea yet lol

versed helm Jan 3, 2019, 6:33 PM

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They should make a novelization of fireteam raven

severe elbow Jan 3, 2019, 6:33 PM

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They pretty much summed it up in that Canon Fodder.

versed helm Jan 3, 2019, 6:33 PM

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I’d prefer a more in-depth version though

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Not just a little summary

obsidian thistle Jan 3, 2019, 6:45 PM

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Well

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You have Halo: The Flood

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And Halo CE/CEA

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With that two things you already have 90% of the story Raven gives us

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The other 10% is original which the game gives us

grave swift Jan 3, 2019, 6:48 PM

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I think Raven would probably make for a better comic series than a novel tbh

severe elbow Jan 3, 2019, 6:48 PM

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I just want it on Xbox. 🙏

grave swift Jan 3, 2019, 6:51 PM

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That's fair. I'd kill for a good light gun game on the Xbox.

obsidian thistle Jan 3, 2019, 7:15 PM

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I'd prefer Spartan Strike

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I love that game and want more to experience it

tropic ginkgo Jan 3, 2019, 7:16 PM

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Never did get to play it, is there any good story meat to it?

obsidian thistle Jan 3, 2019, 7:22 PM

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Its a great companion story to Halo 2 and Halo 4. Explaining stuff from those games kinda.

For Halo 2 is explains 1 possible reason Regret fled earth.
For Halo 4 it explains where the Covies went during the final mission in the game.

vivid dust Jan 3, 2019, 7:24 PM

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Where did they go?

obsidian thistle Jan 3, 2019, 7:28 PM

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They went to gamma Halo

vivid dust Jan 3, 2019, 7:33 PM

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huh

remote spruce Jan 3, 2019, 7:41 PM

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Infinity was there too
Somehow

severe elbow Jan 3, 2019, 7:42 PM

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What?

obsidian thistle Jan 3, 2019, 7:46 PM

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Infinity was not there

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Infact we never actually learnt how one of the Headhunters got to New Phoenix from Gamma Halo so fast

gilded mason Jan 3, 2019, 7:49 PM

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Neural physics.

remote spruce Jan 3, 2019, 8:24 PM

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Wait so if Infinity is not there....

carmine sleet Jan 3, 2019, 8:25 PM

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Infinity has been to Gamma Halo, just not during the events of Halo 4

obsidian thistle Jan 3, 2019, 8:48 PM

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Yea I believe you are confusing stuff.

Infinity was at I03 prior to Halo 4. Its one reason they found John.

But it didnt return to Gamma Halio prior to it vanishing

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If you are refering about one of SSs final cutscenes. Either its archive footage from one visit to Gamma Halo, a stylised look at Delta or Zeta, or a creation of Roland to prove a point.

versed helm Jan 3, 2019, 11:35 PM

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The gravemind In halo 2, he’s the highest form of flood intelligence????

narrow wadi Jan 3, 2019, 11:36 PM

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No

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There’s a form greater, called a Keymond

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*Keymind

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Phone keyboard

versed helm Jan 3, 2019, 11:37 PM

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But he is the highest we’ve seen in game?

narrow wadi Jan 3, 2019, 11:38 PM

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Yes

gilded mason Jan 3, 2019, 11:38 PM

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You were correct the first time. The Gravemind is the ultimate form.

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https://www.halopedia.org/Key_mind

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The Gravemind is a type of Keymind, the highest one.

narrow wadi Jan 3, 2019, 11:39 PM

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I read that a Keymind was a Gravemind that consumed an entire planet’s ecosystem?

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And basically became the last step

gilded mason Jan 3, 2019, 11:39 PM

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Heard that as well, but it was either changed or expanded on in HW2.

versed helm Jan 3, 2019, 11:40 PM

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Okay, can there be two graveminds? Per say one on one side of the galaxy and the other on another

gilded mason Jan 3, 2019, 11:40 PM

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Yeah.

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They'd be the same person, though.

versed helm Jan 3, 2019, 11:41 PM

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Do flood have some kind of telepathic communication that allows them to be one over large quantities of space??

gilded mason Jan 3, 2019, 11:41 PM

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Yeah

narrow wadi Jan 3, 2019, 11:41 PM

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Yes, through Precursor tech

vague scroll Jan 3, 2019, 11:41 PM

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Neural physics

narrow wadi Jan 3, 2019, 11:42 PM

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That’s how the Flood Gravemind the Chief and Arbiter meets shares the memories of the Gravemind from the Forerunner-Flood war

versed helm Jan 3, 2019, 11:42 PM

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Hmmmmmm so all graveminds keyminds, they’ve alway ever been just the same “person”

narrow wadi Jan 3, 2019, 11:42 PM

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Pretty much.

dusk flint Jan 3, 2019, 11:42 PM

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you could say that

versed helm Jan 3, 2019, 11:45 PM

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Yeah not the most accurate assessment but a laymen’s explanation, soooooooo the origin of the flood? Can be tracked down to one precursor? Because I saw something the other day that said the gravemind is a kind of reincarnation of a precursor who knew what the flood was capable of

severe elbow Jan 3, 2019, 11:45 PM

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More than one Precursor.

versed helm Jan 3, 2019, 11:45 PM

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So they all turned into the flood, or the dust did

severe elbow Jan 3, 2019, 11:46 PM

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The origin of the Gravemind is a single Precursor known as the Primordial.

versed helm Jan 3, 2019, 11:46 PM

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Okay that’s what I was getting at

dusk flint Jan 3, 2019, 11:46 PM

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the dust got corrupted

versed helm Jan 3, 2019, 11:46 PM

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I thought he was executed

gilded mason Jan 3, 2019, 11:46 PM

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He got better

severe elbow Jan 3, 2019, 11:46 PM

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The dust was used by ancient humans to domesticate an animal known as a Pheru. Over generations, it corrupted and became the Flood.

versed helm Jan 3, 2019, 11:46 PM

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Got better from death?

severe elbow Jan 3, 2019, 11:46 PM

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The Primordial's body was destroyed, but Graveminds inherit its memories.

gilded mason Jan 3, 2019, 11:46 PM

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Yes.

dusk flint Jan 3, 2019, 11:47 PM

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idk how corrupted dust can create the flood

gilded mason Jan 3, 2019, 11:47 PM

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Neural physics.

severe elbow Jan 3, 2019, 11:47 PM

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Corrupted dust of godlike beings.

versed helm Jan 3, 2019, 11:48 PM

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Okay so all that escaped turned into this star dust, do you think there’s any chance there’s any still alive? Maybe even trapped?

gilded mason Jan 3, 2019, 11:48 PM

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Possibly.

dusk flint Jan 3, 2019, 11:48 PM

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so gods became this never ending death machine known as the flood

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if the primordial was released from zeta halos test fire then there might be others

versed helm Jan 3, 2019, 11:49 PM

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And was the cure the humans developed real? Did the activation of the rings really destroy it?

gilded mason Jan 3, 2019, 11:49 PM

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No real cure was found

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It was a ruse

dusk flint Jan 3, 2019, 11:49 PM

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it was the closest

severe elbow Jan 3, 2019, 11:49 PM

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The cure was a lie. What humans thought worked was just the Flood retreating of its own accord to trick them into thinking there was a cure.

dusk flint Jan 3, 2019, 11:50 PM

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the primordial was known to lie

versed helm Jan 3, 2019, 11:50 PM

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Wait released?

dusk flint Jan 3, 2019, 11:50 PM

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?

versed helm Jan 3, 2019, 11:51 PM

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The forerunners fired the ring as a last resort right? Ending them and everyone else but your telling me that the primordial survived ? What did he do??

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He still turned himself into star dust?

dusk flint Jan 3, 2019, 11:52 PM

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they fired the entire array i think not just the one

gilded mason Jan 3, 2019, 11:52 PM

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@versed helm
Primordial was already a Gravemind when they fired the rings

versed helm Jan 3, 2019, 11:52 PM

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Mmmmmmm

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Okay thanks for clearing that up

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Thanks for the help guys! Much appreciated

gilded mason Jan 3, 2019, 11:53 PM

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Got any other questions?

versed helm Jan 3, 2019, 11:53 PM

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Hmmm I don’t think so, maybe after i watch another video

dusk flint Jan 3, 2019, 11:54 PM

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the primordial was a cross between a gravemind and the other thing

versed helm Jan 3, 2019, 11:55 PM

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Wait I got one, had the humans not been fighting a war on both fronts could they have beaten the forerunners ??

severe elbow Jan 3, 2019, 11:55 PM

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They would have stood more of a chance.

gilded mason Jan 3, 2019, 11:55 PM

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Probably not

versed helm Jan 3, 2019, 11:55 PM

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That’s probably more of an opinion based question though

severe elbow Jan 3, 2019, 11:56 PM

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Forerunners and ancient humans were on approximately the same tech tier at the time.

dusk flint Jan 3, 2019, 11:56 PM

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im welling to bet the Forerunners would still win

versed helm Jan 3, 2019, 11:56 PM

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Right, though the precursors redacted and chose the humans over them

gilded mason Jan 3, 2019, 11:57 PM

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They only chose humans to be the next to be tested, right?

dusk flint Jan 3, 2019, 11:57 PM

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Faber tested on humans

versed helm Jan 3, 2019, 11:57 PM

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Ohhhhh I thought they were just outright chosen to be holders of the mantle

dusk flint Jan 3, 2019, 11:57 PM

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they were I belive

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Faber tested on humans during the Forerunner flood war

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first for a cure then for pleasure

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cause the Gravemind/Primordial gave him something that was similar to the logic plague

severe elbow Jan 4, 2019, 12:01 AM

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The Master Builder wasn't affected by any sort of logic plague.

dusk flint Jan 4, 2019, 12:01 AM

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something similar

gilded mason Jan 4, 2019, 12:01 AM

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Ah, found it:
Primordial: “Through long study. The decision is final. Humans will replace you. Humans will be tested next.”

dusk flint Jan 4, 2019, 12:01 AM

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not the logic plague

gilded mason Jan 4, 2019, 12:01 AM

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The last part in particular.

severe elbow Jan 4, 2019, 12:02 AM

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No, he wasn't. The Master Builder wasn't affected by the Primordial in any way.

dusk flint Jan 4, 2019, 12:02 AM

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then why did he experiment on humans for mendican bias and the precurser for pleasure?

severe elbow Jan 4, 2019, 12:04 AM

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If you're talking about the experiments on Zeta Halo, those were done by Mendicant Bias after he defected.

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Wait.

dusk flint Jan 4, 2019, 12:04 AM

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Bias determined if the humans were fit enough

severe elbow Jan 4, 2019, 12:05 AM

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OK, he ordered the experiments, but it wasn't because of the Primordial. It was to see if a cure could be found. Any pleasure he took in it is because he's not a good person.

dusk flint Jan 4, 2019, 12:07 AM

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and Bias continued to do this after he got infected with the logic plague

severe elbow Jan 4, 2019, 12:07 AM

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Bias got infected from the logic plague from communicating with the Primordial.

dusk flint Jan 4, 2019, 12:08 AM

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after the 40 year conversation

versed helm Jan 4, 2019, 12:09 AM

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Is there a theory that the flood are the test the precursors set for the humans?

dusk flint Jan 4, 2019, 12:09 AM

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not from what i know

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and the flood originated from the precursors

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cause the dust got corrupted remember

unique rune Jan 4, 2019, 12:11 AM

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I think I've heard that thrown around a couple of times... on Waypoint, at least, when I used Waypoint on a regular basis.

dusk flint Jan 4, 2019, 12:11 AM

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why give the humans a test that they could not complete

versed helm Jan 4, 2019, 12:12 AM

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Yes I remember lol
But we’re talking about godlike beings who were able to create all life in the universe, maybe they could manipulate all facets of the universe at will

dusk flint Jan 4, 2019, 12:12 AM

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what

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who said what to me

versed helm Jan 4, 2019, 12:12 AM

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What?

gilded mason Jan 4, 2019, 12:13 AM

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I tried to say something about the Flood to you, but apparently it was a bad word.

dusk flint Jan 4, 2019, 12:13 AM

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what were you going to say

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they really are

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im welling to bet the Keymind looks like a beefier gravemind

severe elbow Jan 4, 2019, 12:15 AM

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@gilded mason Please don't try to bypass the filter.

gilded mason Jan 4, 2019, 12:15 AM

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Uh, okay.
Oh, never realized that was profanity until now. Huh. That makes more sense now.

severe elbow Jan 4, 2019, 12:16 AM

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We know what at least one type of Keymind looks like with the Abomination in Halo Wars 2.

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Juggernauts are one step down from Keyminds, to and have some similar abilities.

dusk flint Jan 4, 2019, 12:17 AM

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whats the keymind from halo wars 2

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as in what does it look like

severe elbow Jan 4, 2019, 12:19 AM

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https://www.halopedia.org/Abomination

Abomination

The Abomination is a large and powerful Flood key mind war-form.

versed helm Jan 4, 2019, 1:02 AM

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I've always wanted to fight inside an assault carrier

gilded mason Jan 4, 2019, 1:02 AM

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I've always wanted to travel inside one.

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Though I wonder how much of a pain it would be to get from place to place.

versed helm Jan 4, 2019, 1:12 AM

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Sounds like fun to me, certainly not painful

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Imagine using a Banshee inside one

gilded mason Jan 4, 2019, 1:13 AM

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"Minor, what have I told you about using military equipment for recreation?"

versed helm Jan 4, 2019, 1:15 AM

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At least they aren't as bad as the humans. I've heard that some of those guys like to flip their vehicles with their own landmines on occasion

gilded mason Jan 4, 2019, 1:16 AM

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How awful!

versed helm Jan 4, 2019, 2:26 AM

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largest deployment of Spartans in battle???

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Would that be on requiem???

severe elbow Jan 4, 2019, 2:27 AM

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It would be Operations: TOREDO and PROMETHEUS.

versed helm Jan 4, 2019, 2:28 AM

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How many we talkin, what program if ya don’t mind me asking

severe elbow Jan 4, 2019, 2:28 AM

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Requiem would be close, but the Spartan-III Operations deployed the near-entirety of the Companies.

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Around 300 each.

versed helm Jan 4, 2019, 2:28 AM

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Sheeesh

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Do we win those battles

severe elbow Jan 4, 2019, 2:29 AM

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There are about 300 or more Spartan-IVs on the Infinity, but they were probably not all deployed.

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They were pyrrhic victories. All but two Spartan-IIIs died.

gilded mason Jan 4, 2019, 2:29 AM

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Do we win those battles
The UNSC lives through Requiem, but they do not accomplish what they set out to do.

versed helm Jan 4, 2019, 2:30 AM

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Nice, I saw something like 400 ones Time but that seems close enough

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Wasn’t asking about requiem ... was asking about the two he mentioned

gilded mason Jan 4, 2019, 2:30 AM

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Ah.

versed helm Jan 4, 2019, 2:30 AM

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And Jesus did they perform bad or were they stacked against the odds???

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Wouldn't MJONLIR's integrated thrusters be a form of nuclear propulsion, since their energy source comes from tue fusion reactor on their back?

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You don’t have to completely break it down

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If ya don’t want too

severe elbow Jan 4, 2019, 2:31 AM

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Stacked odds. They were suicide missions.

versed helm Jan 4, 2019, 2:31 AM

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Damn, we’re they deployed as the main fighting force or were they aided? Marines? ODSTs?

severe elbow Jan 4, 2019, 2:32 AM

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No Marines or ODSTs.

versed helm Jan 4, 2019, 2:32 AM

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I’ll look up the nature of the operations

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Thanks again!

versed helm Jan 4, 2019, 4:12 AM

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What became of the Pheru after the Forerunner era?..did they go extinct?

grizzled marsh Jan 4, 2019, 4:19 AM

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I would assume they would, either through the Flood or through the firing of the Halo array.

versed helm Jan 4, 2019, 4:19 AM

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I also wonder what the Pheru even looked like

grizzled marsh Jan 4, 2019, 4:25 AM

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Wasn't there a description of them in Cryptum?

versed helm Jan 4, 2019, 4:38 AM

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shrugs

versed helm Jan 4, 2019, 9:51 AM

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How deep does glassing go?
Does the ground actually turn to glass?
How does a planet get deglassed?

vivid dust Jan 4, 2019, 9:52 AM

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nanobots

versed helm Jan 4, 2019, 10:36 AM

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@vivid dust 😂😂😂

plush jetty Jan 4, 2019, 11:37 AM

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So can someone explain the time anomaly in First Strike? From my understanding, the crystal on Reach altered time to seem fast right? Going to Installation 04 seemed like it was 3 weeks but was really only a few days? Or was there teleportation of some sort involved?

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I've read the books years ago and am now coming back to reading them again

vivid dust Jan 4, 2019, 12:05 PM

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@versed helm I imagine this will answer your questions https://www.halopedia.org/Glassing

safe siren Jan 4, 2019, 12:35 PM

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@plush jetty the crystal in First Strike may have been a Slipspace Flake, used by the forerunner for their slipspace drives. https://www.halopedia.org/Slipspace_flake

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That could have speed-up their passage, and we don't know it's interaction with human technology, so the 'time travel' could be a side effect

versed helm Jan 4, 2019, 3:15 PM

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Reading first strike the first time hurt my head

versed helm Jan 4, 2019, 5:58 PM

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Why?

vague scroll Jan 4, 2019, 6:35 PM

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Probably the time dilation thing.

versed helm Jan 4, 2019, 8:54 PM

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^

last anchor Jan 4, 2019, 11:20 PM

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Ahh yes

upper star Jan 5, 2019, 12:23 AM

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Happy New year guys and gals

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Don't know if I am late or not, has a battle born discussion already happened?

unique rune Jan 5, 2019, 12:31 AM

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goes in #485883236430512168

versed helm Jan 5, 2019, 12:36 AM

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If the UNSC and SOS end up finding Charum Hakkor,could they find anything useful that they can use to fight the Created?

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Anything that somehow survived both the final battle of the Human-Forerunner wars and the test firing of Installation 07

vague scroll Jan 5, 2019, 1:06 AM

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Maybe, I was considering a fanfic with that idea being the crux of the narrative but I ultimately ditched it because it was too close to the main plot of Halo in terms of significance, and on the other hand, seemed too much like an out-of-nowhere plot macguffin.

versed helm Jan 5, 2019, 1:52 AM

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Is it possible that Chips Dubbo and/or Stacker are part of the ORION project?

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Maybe Durvall from Reach could also be

last anchor Jan 5, 2019, 2:02 AM

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Stacker most likely. Also Byrne from Contact Harvest is mentioned to possibly be part too

obsidian thistle Jan 5, 2019, 2:03 AM

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Best not to assume. We dont know how much of their backstories are canon.

vague scroll Jan 5, 2019, 2:06 AM

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The only that matters is that everyone understands that Chips Dubbo is the hero we deserve.

versed helm Jan 5, 2019, 2:36 AM

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Chips dubbo

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Where is he now

grizzled marsh Jan 5, 2019, 2:42 AM

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Hmmm, well we don't have any direct confirmation from any of the games. It's possible that he was at Requiem if he's still apart of the Corps, due to the scale of operations there.

obsidian thistle Jan 5, 2019, 2:43 AM

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Its also possible he died in Halo 3

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Or CE

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Or at New Mombasa

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Or its possible he was never canon at all

narrow wadi Jan 5, 2019, 2:45 AM

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Chips Dunno is Schrodinger’s Marine

obsidian thistle Jan 5, 2019, 2:46 AM

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A lot of marines are like that lol

narrow wadi Jan 5, 2019, 2:46 AM

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But Chips is the one everyone knows

obsidian thistle Jan 5, 2019, 2:47 AM

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That said a soldier seperate from Chiefs Alpha Halo survivors did survive Alpha Halo somehow

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So its possible Chipps actually was a Alpha Halo survivor

narrow wadi Jan 5, 2019, 2:49 AM

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I’m just imagining that scene in First Strike

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Johnson, an ODST, a Pilot, an ONI spook... and Chips

grave swift Jan 5, 2019, 2:51 AM

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Chips lives on in our hearts and shows up when we need him most.

obsidian thistle Jan 5, 2019, 2:53 AM

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Well we have no idea how Thomas Chang survived Alpha Halo. But how I am almost betting it included Stacker and Chips.

versed helm Jan 5, 2019, 6:29 AM

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I believe wholeheartedly that Byrne was part of ORION, beyond a shadow of a doubt.

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There's no way that he isn't. He freaking threw Johnson across half a room, splintered wood, and was just giving Avery an unrealistic amount of trouble had he been unaugmented. Unless he's just coincidentally the 26th century's strongest man alive.

haughty bridge Jan 5, 2019, 9:46 AM

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Anyone here read the cryptum books?

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Cause i know everything bout the forerunners now

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I think

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Ask me anything

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Bout them

obsidian thistle Jan 5, 2019, 10:16 AM

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Okie dokie then. You asked for it. If I were to show you a "blue" symbol. What sorta thing is that color associated with?

haughty bridge Jan 5, 2019, 10:18 AM

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Emmm

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I said i think

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Also thats kinda vague

versed helm Jan 5, 2019, 10:43 AM

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@obsidian thistle the sky

haughty bridge Jan 5, 2019, 10:49 AM

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Lol

versed helm Jan 5, 2019, 10:55 AM

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😃

versed helm Jan 5, 2019, 12:04 PM

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What was the ancient name for Earth

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Like what did they call it in the Forerunner Trilogy books

safe siren Jan 5, 2019, 12:25 PM

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Erda or Erde-Tyrene

versed helm Jan 5, 2019, 4:01 PM

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Chipps will show up at your most needed hour.

limpid kernel Jan 5, 2019, 5:09 PM

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Speaking of blue skies there was a beautiful blue sky yesterday when I was taking photos

subtle depot Jan 5, 2019, 5:45 PM

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Chips deserves a Medal of Honor

haughty bridge Jan 5, 2019, 8:22 PM

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I was gonna say that

carmine sleet Jan 5, 2019, 8:22 PM

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Sure you were

haughty bridge Jan 5, 2019, 8:22 PM

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Erde Tyrene was where Bornstellar met Chakas And Riser

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See

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Also the flood are made from god remains

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Just saying

spiral jewel Jan 5, 2019, 8:36 PM

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Apparently Star Wars has a version of the Stalwart class , however theirs is a Star Destroyer class while the UNSC Stalwart class is a light frigate

tropic mural Jan 5, 2019, 9:54 PM

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question about spartans

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ok so like we have 1-4 gen

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are 4's weaker than 2's because they were made spartans as adults or that its more based on the suits than biological augmentations

haughty bridge Jan 5, 2019, 10:02 PM

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I said forerunner

carmine sleet Jan 5, 2019, 10:09 PM

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They weren't asking you that question specifically Demon

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The S-IVs are weaker out of armour compared to the previous two generations of Spartans but the Gen 2 Mjolnir makes up for that @tropic mural

haughty bridge Jan 5, 2019, 11:16 PM

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U know the people listed under 343 industries

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Are they people that actually made the games?

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Wait

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Teh Spearhead is here

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Holy crap

narrow wadi Jan 5, 2019, 11:17 PM

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I’m reading First Strike, as noted

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The line “There’s a spartan in here” immediately made me happy cuz I know that has to be Linda

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Is that weird?

gilded mason Jan 5, 2019, 11:17 PM

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Not weird if you like Linda.

carmine sleet Jan 5, 2019, 11:18 PM

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@haughty bridge What's wrong with Spearhead?

haughty bridge Jan 5, 2019, 11:18 PM

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Isnt he the youtuber?

carmine sleet Jan 5, 2019, 11:18 PM

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He is

gilded mason Jan 5, 2019, 11:18 PM

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Yes. A lot of youtubers and others like them are mods for some reason.

haughty bridge Jan 5, 2019, 11:19 PM

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Cooiol

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Cool i mean

boreal bane Jan 5, 2019, 11:19 PM

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@haughty bridge Yes, yellow folk are 343 employees. Please don't tag them though

haughty bridge Jan 5, 2019, 11:20 PM

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Ik

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Thats kinda dumb

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To tag em

boreal bane Jan 5, 2019, 11:20 PM

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Not really

haughty bridge Jan 5, 2019, 11:20 PM

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I mean

boreal bane Jan 5, 2019, 11:20 PM

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oh

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yeah

versed helm Jan 6, 2019, 1:30 AM

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I wonder if we'll find out more about the unknown bipeds that lived on the Planet of Blue and Red?

last anchor Jan 6, 2019, 1:47 AM

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Perhaps, perhaps not

haughty bridge Jan 6, 2019, 2:22 AM

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Bipeds?

vague scroll Jan 6, 2019, 2:39 AM

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Two legged organisms.

versed helm Jan 6, 2019, 2:48 AM

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I'm betting that the unknown bipeds were wiped out by the Sangheili

haughty bridge Jan 6, 2019, 4:01 AM

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By the forerunners prob

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Oh wait nvm

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They have the mantle and all that crap

limpid kernel Jan 6, 2019, 4:04 AM

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are powerups canon in the campaign of halo 1 and 3?

versed helm Jan 6, 2019, 4:06 AM

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Yeah, they were in the Halo Encyclopedia if I recall correctly @limpid kernel

remote spruce Jan 6, 2019, 4:11 AM

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powerups are canon but not how brutes deploy bubble shields in a moving scarab

grizzled marsh Jan 6, 2019, 4:13 AM

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I don't believe the ones from Halo 1 are canon, but the abilities from 3, Reach and 4 are.

limpid kernel Jan 6, 2019, 4:17 AM

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halo 3 makes sense, but halo 1 didnt to me. though i do wish the powerups were in all the campaigns

versed helm Jan 6, 2019, 4:20 AM

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I bet 343 would try to make as many gameplay mechanics reasonably canonical

remote spruce Jan 6, 2019, 4:20 AM

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never forget how reach explained sprint

versed helm Jan 6, 2019, 4:21 AM

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Lol, some memes came out of that

limpid kernel Jan 6, 2019, 4:21 AM

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how did they explain sprint?

versed helm Jan 6, 2019, 4:21 AM

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But like 2010 memes, when they had them 99 percent comic strips

remote spruce Jan 6, 2019, 4:22 AM

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Kat made a hack to the armor that reduced movement limitations but it couldn't be used too much due to overheating the user

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~~why~~

versed helm Jan 6, 2019, 4:22 AM

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Makes no sense

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Especially for such a little speed boost

fair hazel Jan 6, 2019, 4:23 AM

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In canon it would probably be like, they can already srint about at fast speeds but they can go faster without those limits

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like instead of going 50 kilometers per hour, to go 55

remote spruce Jan 6, 2019, 4:23 AM

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sort of makes sense, since it's an armor ability and not default

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but still lol

versed helm Jan 6, 2019, 4:23 AM

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They can barely clock 44 miles per hour for a few seconds, yet when Chief disables his safeties, he can go nearly 68 over a third of a mile

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And the fact that they're SIIIs doesn't explain it, since category IIIs are just as good as IIs

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@fair hazel 55 was already an established base for unarmored IIs

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Chief managed 72 in Palace Hotel, and they can run at 60km/hr for half a kilometer

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Admittedly, Kelly has been stated as running a comparatively measly 65 as her running speed, but that was explicitly over extended periods of time. If that's a marathon run, that would make her more than 3x faster than peak athletes

modest marsh Jan 6, 2019, 4:34 AM

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Trying to pin down a given speed as a hard number is a useless endeavor

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Spartans always need to be slow enough that driving a vehicle is more viable but also fast enough that they seem impressive in terms of athleticism

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You’re gonna end up with conflicting ideas based on what the story requires

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A big reason why we’ll probably never see especially fast Spartans in the games is that it’s important not to completely shatter the relationship the player has with the characters by having them perform completely differently between gameplay and cutscenes

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Meanwhile, no such consideration exists in a book, so they can do whatever without hurting the readers suspension of disbelief

versed helm Jan 6, 2019, 4:52 AM

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@modest marsh then again, contraction forces in running are a little more complex than just lifting x amount of weight and moving at y speed. There are core concepts that are ubiquitous such as concentric and eccentric muscle tensions, but it could be justified as MJOLNIR being less oriented towards elastic contraction.

remote spruce Jan 6, 2019, 4:52 AM

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I mean they go fast in all Halo games so the requirement for "feeling like a super soldier" has been met since CE

modest marsh Jan 6, 2019, 4:53 AM

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I don’t think anyone is concerned with the physics of it from a narrative perspective

versed helm Jan 6, 2019, 4:53 AM

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Denning and Nylund seem to be interested in explaining certain elements of the fiction in that way

vague scroll Jan 6, 2019, 4:54 AM

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That not so much. War is more their forte.

fair hazel Jan 6, 2019, 4:54 AM

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i was just throwing numbers as an example...

versed helm Jan 6, 2019, 4:54 AM

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For example, Denning's emphasis on how nuclear explosions have a less volatile airbust on Seoba, and how they use vacuum-rated nonnuclear Octas as an alternative

modest marsh Jan 6, 2019, 4:54 AM

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Yeah but they didn’t pull out a calculator to make sure they used the precise number of foot-pounds for their scenes to make sense

fair hazel Jan 6, 2019, 4:55 AM

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except cortana would have disabled safety limitations during that run

vague scroll Jan 6, 2019, 4:55 AM

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Ultimately, its about the fun rather than accurate data.

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Or NOVAs would not be a thing

remote spruce Jan 6, 2019, 4:55 AM

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Cortana is why Chief sprints in 4 /s

versed helm Jan 6, 2019, 4:55 AM

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Denning actually does do that occasionally

modest marsh Jan 6, 2019, 4:55 AM

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The safety limiter stuff is a load of bull hockey

fair hazel Jan 6, 2019, 4:55 AM

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basically, they can go fast but without limitations to prevent injury or strian, they can go faster

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they can already sprint....

modest marsh Jan 6, 2019, 4:56 AM

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There’s really nothing that suggests Spartans risk self injury from running

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It’s just a gameplay thing shoved in

fair hazel Jan 6, 2019, 4:56 AM

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John did get injured while running that fast

remote spruce Jan 6, 2019, 4:56 AM

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Waiting for the Halo game that explains why Alpha-9 is called Alpha-9

fair hazel Jan 6, 2019, 4:56 AM

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He tore his tendon

modest marsh Jan 6, 2019, 4:56 AM

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He was blown up by a missile first

versed helm Jan 6, 2019, 4:56 AM

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He was just hit by a near-proximity Scorpion missile

fair hazel Jan 6, 2019, 4:57 AM

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his injury was probably from the run however

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thats how a bunch of people interpret it

versed helm Jan 6, 2019, 4:57 AM

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Either way, that's definitely not a good condition to be in beforehand

modest marsh Jan 6, 2019, 4:57 AM

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You can’t really say that in a vacuum he’d receive a similar injury when he was almost dead moments ago

remote spruce Jan 6, 2019, 4:58 AM

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No Chief didn't strech well the moral of the story is that you gotta stretch before you exercise

vague scroll Jan 6, 2019, 4:58 AM

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You guys expect too much from this series.

modest marsh Jan 6, 2019, 4:58 AM

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This

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Lol

versed helm Jan 6, 2019, 4:58 AM

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This is an odd expression of how I have fun

vague scroll Jan 6, 2019, 4:59 AM

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Odd flex but fair

modest marsh Jan 6, 2019, 4:59 AM

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How dare you

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Don’t you know that’s the wrong way to enjoy fiction

remote spruce Jan 6, 2019, 4:59 AM

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Alpha-9
So like
Alpha company....9th Fireteam?

vague scroll Jan 6, 2019, 5:00 AM

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You're better off accepting it as hockery.

feral perch Jan 6, 2019, 5:00 AM

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it sounds cool

fair hazel Jan 6, 2019, 5:00 AM

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overstrain does seem quite plausible for spartans too

vague scroll Jan 6, 2019, 5:00 AM

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If you aren't writing fanfiction with the intention of trying to fill the holes, head canons are kind of pointless.

feral perch Jan 6, 2019, 5:00 AM

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Bungie cared about the cool factor a bit more than other things

vague scroll Jan 6, 2019, 5:00 AM

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^

remote spruce Jan 6, 2019, 5:00 AM

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Y'all need to theorize why Evade is a thing

versed helm Jan 6, 2019, 5:01 AM

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Hey physics is cool

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Sometimes

remote spruce Jan 6, 2019, 5:01 AM

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The heck does "dummy plugin" mean?

feral perch Jan 6, 2019, 5:01 AM

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you plug a dummy in there

fair hazel Jan 6, 2019, 5:02 AM

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the evade armour ability could be explained as the shields are modified on the go to allow for more fluent movement

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there's explainations you can make on how these things go

modest marsh Jan 6, 2019, 5:02 AM

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It’s plausible but it seems tedious to say that Spartans need a disabled safety limiter to run 2-3 times faster because Chief tore his tendon when running 4 times faster than normal

feral perch Jan 6, 2019, 5:02 AM

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Evade is just natural thrusterpack

fair hazel Jan 6, 2019, 5:02 AM

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canon-wise

versed helm Jan 6, 2019, 5:02 AM

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It could be some rapid cocktail lol

fair hazel Jan 6, 2019, 5:03 AM

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i want armour abilities to be featured in the books more and comics

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like seriously

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They're useful pieces of kit

remote spruce Jan 6, 2019, 5:04 AM

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Evade reduces shield friction making you slide
Which explains why the evade animation is non-existent when there's lag

modest marsh Jan 6, 2019, 5:04 AM

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There’s no reason they don’t, it just doesn’t service the core franchise

feral perch Jan 6, 2019, 5:04 AM

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Reach seems to be semi-ignored by 343i as far as lore goes

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It's that awkward middle child

fair hazel Jan 6, 2019, 5:04 AM

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Uh... how?

feral perch Jan 6, 2019, 5:04 AM

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.. that everyone loves anyway

modest marsh Jan 6, 2019, 5:05 AM

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Armor abilities were and are unpopular

feral perch Jan 6, 2019, 5:05 AM

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Not explaining Jun's escape from Reach, or any of the lore behind Noble Team really.

versed helm Jan 6, 2019, 5:05 AM

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I mean, they did the whole "memories of reach" thing, as well as this lootcrate campaign focused on noble team

fair hazel Jan 6, 2019, 5:05 AM

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that isn't quite, ignoring reach stuff

feral perch Jan 6, 2019, 5:06 AM

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It's not as much as I'd like so, I did say semi cone

versed helm Jan 6, 2019, 5:06 AM

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I still want to see Jun climb that space elevator

fair hazel Jan 6, 2019, 5:06 AM

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But seriously useful

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we saw them in halo escalation

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Linda should have active camo module

feral perch Jan 6, 2019, 5:07 AM

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I think Hologram is the most underutilized and potentially best AA

versed helm Jan 6, 2019, 5:07 AM

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Hard Light shield-Promethean Vision-Sentry Drone thing combo

fair hazel Jan 6, 2019, 5:07 AM

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well stuff was mentioned in the spartan field manual

remote spruce Jan 6, 2019, 5:07 AM

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sentry turret is the best armor ability

modest marsh Jan 6, 2019, 5:07 AM

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She uses a bubble shield in Tales From Slipspace

fair hazel Jan 6, 2019, 5:07 AM

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I don't remember Linda using a bubble shield

versed helm Jan 6, 2019, 5:07 AM

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Who?

feral perch Jan 6, 2019, 5:07 AM

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Actually no, Drop Shield is the best AA

modest marsh Jan 6, 2019, 5:07 AM

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Linda

fair hazel Jan 6, 2019, 5:08 AM

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Why drop shield and not Bubble shield armour ability

feral perch Jan 6, 2019, 5:08 AM

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Portable cover and health regen? Yes please!

versed helm Jan 6, 2019, 5:08 AM

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When did she do that? What was it against?

modest marsh Jan 6, 2019, 5:08 AM

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I’ll get it

versed helm Jan 6, 2019, 5:08 AM

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Okay

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I love how the UNSC have hundred kiloton, nonnuclear shaped charges lmao.

remote spruce Jan 6, 2019, 5:08 AM

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Tfw Halo 4 campaign didn't have regen field

versed helm Jan 6, 2019, 5:08 AM

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Overkill much?

fair hazel Jan 6, 2019, 5:08 AM

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the spartan field manual does mention stuff

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so at least

feral perch Jan 6, 2019, 5:09 AM

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Bubble Shield was one-use only, like all Equipment. Not an AA.

fair hazel Jan 6, 2019, 5:09 AM

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bubble shield is also an armour ability

remote spruce Jan 6, 2019, 5:09 AM

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Who thought flare was a good idea

modest marsh Jan 6, 2019, 5:09 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/40u0mza.jpg

feral perch Jan 6, 2019, 5:09 AM

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Since when?

fair hazel Jan 6, 2019, 5:10 AM

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spartan strike and maybe assault

feral perch Jan 6, 2019, 5:10 AM

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Oh.

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Never played Strike

modest marsh Jan 6, 2019, 5:10 AM

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Halo 5 technically gives all Spartans a regen field

remote spruce Jan 6, 2019, 5:10 AM

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How so?

modest marsh Jan 6, 2019, 5:10 AM

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And overshield

fair hazel Jan 6, 2019, 5:10 AM

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revive?

modest marsh Jan 6, 2019, 5:10 AM

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The revive mechanic

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Yeah

feral perch Jan 6, 2019, 5:10 AM

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Flare is just a flashbang that has no effect on the AI.

fair hazel Jan 6, 2019, 5:11 AM

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imagine promethean vision + active camo for linda

versed helm Jan 6, 2019, 5:11 AM

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@modest marsh jeez, that's easy to miss

remote spruce Jan 6, 2019, 5:11 AM

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Bring back flashlights

fair hazel Jan 6, 2019, 5:11 AM

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they were in halo 5

versed helm Jan 6, 2019, 5:12 AM

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Toggleable flashlights

modest marsh Jan 6, 2019, 5:12 AM

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Briefly lol

feral perch Jan 6, 2019, 5:12 AM

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Only in the level Blue Team

fair hazel Jan 6, 2019, 5:12 AM

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teleport armour ability would be cool to see more too

feral perch Jan 6, 2019, 5:12 AM

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Or on Shotguns

versed helm Jan 6, 2019, 5:12 AM

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Halo 5 had three missions

modest marsh Jan 6, 2019, 5:12 AM

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Tbh flashlights should blind enemies

remote spruce Jan 6, 2019, 5:12 AM

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Why do they have flashlights when they could have night vision lol

versed helm Jan 6, 2019, 5:12 AM

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Like in battlefield?