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#lore-and-universe
versed helm
remote spruce
Covenant Space Pickle
fair hazel
most of them wiped out?
i dont think we got that indication
there should still be a bunch
versed helm
I want a novel based on the Spirit of Fire, Cutter and Red Team.
It would be awesome to divulge the thought patterns of the captain, and his relationship to his crew. It could also be a great way to show off characters like Kinsano and Colony in the canon
remote spruce
shoot a novel on the Spirit of Fire in general
its crew is certainly unique compared to other ships
remote spruce
scottish hellbringers acting crazy and those 93 scorpions
versed helm
I also want to see more Pavium and Voridus
last anchor
Yes please
vague scroll
The Banished I feel as an organization is woefully under-developed. They're an interesting group with not enough screen time dedicated to them.
severe elbow
Well they're relatively new. But they have a whole game where they're the primary antagonist, an expansion where they're the antagonist, and a comic series.
last anchor
We will get more of them I have no doubt
Perhaps they'll show up in the TV show.
Also the Keepers of the One Freedom are still a thing
vague scroll
From what I heard it will be focused on the Master Chief so that's doubtful.
severe elbow
Maybe. The Keepers are an unknown quantity after 2554.
vague scroll
The Keepers would be interesting.
versed helm
Good thing it's funny, then
ocean relic
thanks i guess
ocean relic
whats the highest grunt rank in the covenant and how high is it compared to the other species' ranks?
versed helm
Probably Deacon, but I'm not sure
Alpha < Beta < Gamma < Headhunters < Cat-2s. Does anyone think this seems accurate for SIIIs?
obsidian thistle
Hmmm
I think it goes a lil like this
Alpha < Alpha Headhunters <= Alpha Cat-2s
Alpha < Beta < Beta Headhunters...
That sorta thing. It looks better as a diagram.
lilac palm
@ocean relic to answer that question I believe it is a Deacon. However I am guessing that the Grunt Ultra is also a higher rank presumably.
@versed helm A perfect description of the S-III's
guys did you know that Jackals have their own Zealot Rank?
narrow wadi
Well, I just went and bought Halo Fractures
In one Christmas I’m gonna have more than doubled my Halo Book collection
Fall of Reach, The Flood, First Strike, Ghosts of Onyx, Fractures, New Blood, Bad Blood, and Mortal Dictata
I’m pretty happy with my collection of Halo lore
brazen idol
You own the other books within the kilo five trilogy of course, right? @narrow wadi
Because Mortal Dictata will be rather challenging to fully understand if you havent read the other books within the kilo five trilogy
fair hazel
We don’t do memes here by the way @ocean relic
In a few days the next halo book releases. Yay
narrow wadi
I don’t have the other Kilo-5 books, I got it cheap and didn’t know it was a part of the trilogy till AFTER I picked it up
It was my first Halo book and I just added to my collection since
That collection was my Halo book collection in total
fair hazel
A lot of mine is digital
ocean relic
@fair hazel its a one time thing
lilac palm
I got Mortal Dictate, Hunters in the Dark and Ghosts of Onyx for Christmas.
'dictata'
feral perch
TBH it was one of the weakest
not all that great at least IMO
most of the books between Silentium and Fractures aren't that great.
narrow wadi
I’m still gonna be reading them all
obsidian thistle
Actually I'd argue Hunters in the Dark may be more important than we realise
narrow wadi
Does it introduce the Banished or something?
narrow wadi
I know it’s set on the Ark
obsidian thistle
It sets up stuff in Halo Wars 2. And has Zeta Halo as a setting in the opening scenes
narrow wadi
Zeta Halo is where Infinite’s set, right(
I need to play Halo Wars at some point soon
I own 1 and 2 now, so I have no excuse
obsidian thistle
Not confirmed but hinted very much that Halo Infinite will be set on Zeta
narrow wadi
Tbh I will say one thing
obsidian thistle
You saw no mistake ;)
narrow wadi
I don’t like the names of Forerunner worlds
feral perch
I did appreciate the reference to Henry Lamb in HW2 though
narrow wadi
“Requiem” And “Genesis” are very thematic but they seem a little... TOO dramatic to be names of planets
feral perch
It was a nice tie-in
Do you know the names of Forerunners?
Those are way more dramatic
obsidian thistle
Note a lot of names may be rough translations btw
feral perch
Like "Bornstellar-makes-eternal-lasting"
obsidian thistle
The actual Forerunner words may be a lil more complex to say.
feral perch
and "Faber-of-will-and-might"
narrow wadi
Ah, sorry
I was just being presumptuous and retract my annoyance
The fact the Engineers are named after how buoyant they are is still funny as hell to me though
feral perch
It's great
obsidian thistle
Yea English at times has no words for certain stuff. Much like in real life it happens.
feral perch
Wasn't Lighter-Than-Some the name of the Huragok in Glasslands?
severe elbow
No, that's the one from Contact Harvest.
narrow wadi
Oh my god
feral perch
Oh ok
narrow wadi
The Huragok are amazing
feral perch
I haven't read that one
feral perch
Oh yeah
narrow wadi
It’s literally “mega lekgolo” cuz it’s made of many of them and is very deadly
feral perch
And that's just the gestalt name
"individual" hunters also have names
Like
(hold on)
narrow wadi
No I’m referring to the group as a whole
feral perch
I mean
narrow wadi
The name of Hunters as a faction are “Mgalekgolo”
feral perch
That would be Lekgolo
severe elbow
Ogada Nosa Fasu, Igido Nosa Hurru, Paruto Xida Konno, and Waruna Xida Yotno.
Those are the only four Hunter names we know besides Colony.
feral perch
Colony somehow managing to be the coolest
Which Huragok was...
Drifts Easily?
Oh, and there was Quick to Adjust
obsidian thistle
Actually @severe elbow we have a few "names" in Halo 5s MP
Just wish there was a easier way to record em
severe elbow
Oh yeah, you're right.
narrow wadi
Ah, thank you
obsidian thistle
*Note the preview function on Discord is being fixed for Halopedia
narrow wadi
I was reading about them, and they seem pretty interesting, to be honest
narrow wadi
Question.
Can I read Fractures without all the context of every book released prior?
severe elbow
One of the short stories depends on having read the Forerunner Saga.
narrow wadi
I’m still reading Shadow Of Intent, probably tomorrow, but I wanna know what else I need as far as context goes
Ah, bugger
severe elbow
Saint's Testimony would have more impact if you read the comic Blood Line.
gilded mason
A Necessary Truth is also dependant on Last Light.
severe elbow
^ Oh, right.
gilded mason
Also, the Forerunner short story in question that depends on the Forerunner Saga is Promises to Keep
narrow wadi
Halo lore is so insanely vast
severe elbow
As well as the unnamed final story in the book.
narrow wadi
It’s like you need a sodding spreadsheet to know what to read when
severe elbow
Well, it's recommended to go in the order things were released.
That's a good rule of thumb for anything.
And honestly, you could probably enjoy most of them without the "required" books, but you'd be missing out on a lot.
severe elbow
The Nylund books form the foundation for the entire EU, arguably the entire universe.
narrow wadi
I’ll have Bad and New Blood, Fall of Reach, Flood, Fractures, First Strike, Ghosts of Onyx and Mortal Dictata
severe elbow
That's a good foundation, but you're missing the first two books in the Kilo-Five Trilogy.
gilded mason
Get Broken Circle as well
narrow wadi
I have to read First Strike but I’ve already read both of the Nylund Books before it
gilded mason
And Last Light.
narrow wadi
And my plan IS to finish Kilo-5
severe elbow
Do you mean The Fall of Reach and Ghosts of Onyx?
narrow wadi
No, I meant Fall of Reach and The Flood
gilded mason
The Flood isn't Nylund.
narrow wadi
Oh, didn’t realise
Given The Flood is a direct follow up to Fall, I just assumed it was a part of that group
Did they ever explain how Spartan-IIIs could be on Reach, by the way?
severe elbow
Not in any of the books, really. Bungie explained in some online posts.
Basically they were pulled from their Companies before their suicide missions.
vague scroll
Spartan-IIIs shouldn't need an explanation given that Bungie played very loose with book lore.
narrow wadi
Which causes an issue
vague scroll
As for 343i's side of things, there were always Spartans being pulled from the suicide ops for one reason or another.
narrow wadi
With 343 having Book Lore being actually CANON
severe elbow
I mean, the explanation was provided by Bungie, not 343.
vague scroll
That's not an issue. 343i just carried over the same explanation.
severe elbow
Yeah? They carried over essentially everything.
versed helm
side note:
What’s the first book chronologically
narrow wadi
The first in the Forerunner trilogy
vague scroll
Chronologically.
narrow wadi
I’d imagine
gilded mason
@versed helm
Cryptum, I guess
vague scroll
Cryptum for the first first yeah.
severe elbow
Contact Harvest would be before Silent Storm.
vague scroll
Damn. Forgot that.
severe elbow
And the Forerunner Saga is debatable since they're all framed as being documents recovered during or after the war.
gilded mason
Yeah, Broken Circle is first for post-Forerunner world
narrow wadi
Given it depicts the war between the San’Shyuum and the Sangheli
vague scroll
Man. Stuff I keep forgetting. So many books to keep track of. Most I haven't read but know the plot synopsis.
narrow wadi
This is my issue tbh
Halo has SO MANY books, that it’s legitimately tough to keep track
It’s getting to a point where it’s almost comical
versed helm
Okay so we got Cryptum in forerunner world
Broken Circle post forerunner world
And Contact harvest as beginning of the Covenant war
vague scroll
Yep
narrow wadi
Contact Harvest is the book where Truth and Mercy meet Mendicant Bias, isn’t it?
severe elbow
Yeah.
gilded mason
Yeah.
narrow wadi
Gotcha.
severe elbow
Regret, too.
narrow wadi
I read about that scene and it said Regret wasn’t there, I thought
Cuz there was a different hierarch there at the time, and not Regret
severe elbow
He and Truth came to get a blessing from the Oracle (Mendicant Bias), and Mercy at the time was the Philologist in charge of overseeing it.
versed helm
Amazon the best/cheapest place to get most of these books?
narrow wadi
I’d assume so
severe elbow
At the time Truth was the Minister of Fortitude and Regret was the Vice Minister of Tranquility.
narrow wadi
If you’re getting books, start by getting Fall of Reach
Then The Flood, First Strike, And Ghosts
Those 4 kinda become very important later
Or 3 of them do
The Flood is just a good read
And ties into Fall
versed helm
I’d assume it be best to start chronologically but open to any kind of path
gilded mason
Also, the second half of Broken Circle takes place near the tail-end of Halo 2, just as an FYI
narrow wadi
Read the books like you watch Star Wars
Go in order of release
Not in order of timeline
versed helm
Well this is gonna be a fun rabbit hole
feral perch
If you want to read chronologically, get a few chapters in to Fall of Reach, then read the entirety of Contact Harvest, then a few more chapters of Reach, then the entirety of Silent Storm...
severe elbow
Yeah, order of release is the best way for the first time reading.
feral perch
Heh
severe elbow
Chronological order is a nightmare to suss out.
gilded mason
Yeah.
narrow wadi
Halo lore is basically “why is my brain exploding”
versed helm
feral perch
Well, it's not all that way
spiral jewel
I noticed something interesting. At the end of Reach showing a terraformed Reach in 2589, I noticed that it takes place 5 months after John-117's 78th birthday
feral perch
If I might personally recommend a book, Halo: Envoy is fantastic. @narrow wadi
I felt like I was playing one of the games while reading it.
gilded mason
@spiral jewel
What's the significance?
severe elbow
He may want to read The Cole Protocol before Envoy.
spiral jewel
@gilded mason I developed the assumption that the idea of terra-forming reach would be discussed in a future Halo Game
gilded mason
Though be aware that Buckell (Envoy and CP's author) can be pretty generalizing regarding aliens.
gilded mason
@feral perch
He makes a lot of cultural stuff regarding Sangheili that he tries to basically extend across all Sangheili, minus the token outliers.
versed helm
You guys are throwing so many titles at me, I’m excited
gilded mason
Even when it doesn't make sense.
versed helm
And scared
feral perch
Such as?
gilded mason
Ah dang, can't think of 'em all on the spot. Well, what I can remember: Drawing blood, various dishonor rules, and medicine usage, at the very least.
feral perch
Are those contradicted anywhere? As I recall, he basically introduced those things with CP.
gilded mason
Medicine was contradicted in The Flood, but yeah, everything afterwards seemed to try to conform to what he wrote in CP.
Or a lot of stuff afterwards, at least.
feral perch
Oh, that's right, Zuka 'Zamamee got injured and had to go through recovery, right?
gilded mason
Yeah, and it was treated as routine.
feral perch
Hm. Been a while since I read The Flood.
I don't like Bill Dietz' version of Master Chief
gilded mason
I don't remember much of John's characterization in the book. Only a couple things like him relaxing in the shower and being scared of the Flood. Which I thought was nice.
versed helm
Spartan armour needs to be put on via machinery right?
vague scroll
yes
feral perch
Sure, but he was uncharacteristically talkative and profane, compared to Nylund's and Denning's characterizations.
versed helm
Him mentioning John showering reminded me that he is human and has to human like things from time to time like personal hygiene , so it just got me thinking about how every task like that he has to be put onto a platform while being dressed, and how many people have seen him without helmet
feral perch
Although that scene where he almost gets infected by an Infection Form is really startling and thrilling
versed helm
Super random but just a thought lol
feral perch
And how rarely he must eat or take a dump
versed helm
Hahaha that too
Has anyone described his facial or physical features without armor in any of the books?
versed helm
Most books are 3rd person omniscient right?
Hmmm and I can visually imagine that lol
severe elbow
All of them are third person.
Oh wait, no, the Forerunner Saga is first person, right?
And the Kilo-Five Trilogy's first chapters of each book are first person while the rest is third person, but that's something Karen Traviss does in every book she writes.
versed helm
Next pay check I’ll buy 2 or 3 of the aforementioned books
feral perch
I picked up Cryptum, I think it was, one time, and tried to read
It was bizarre
Greg Bear has an interesting writing style
scarlet hinge
something i really liked in the kilo 5 and republic commando books (both by traviss) was the little quote or something that was at the start of each chapter
severe elbow
She did the Gears of War books, too. Which are really good.
scarlet hinge
I've heard mixed things about them
But then people say mixed things about RC and I really enjoyed them so idk
severe elbow
Her Gears ones? I was under the impression those were her least controversial ones between Gears, Halo, and Star Wars.
scarlet hinge
I think it was the gears stuff in general i heard mixed things about
But I've never been much into gears either
severe elbow
I only read two of her Star Wars books (Order 66 and 501st) and liked them, but a lot of the criticism about them sounded fair.
I really like Gears' universe.
scarlet hinge
Why'd you read the last two books of Republic Commando?
severe elbow
I picked Order 66 up on a whim from a Walmart shelf.
scarlet hinge
I'd recommend picking up the other three
Hard Contact, Triple-Zero and True Colours
Got them all preowned on amazon for like 1p each lol
obsidian thistle
Weird Fact time cause I just noticed it.
In the Official Spartan Field Guide Naiya Ray wears full "Infiltrator Sabouteur".
A white visor I can only assume to be Frost, or Beltane.
And she weirdly has the "Male" body type.
obsidian thistle
Sure. I am just giving the details the Guide shows us.
last anchor
They probably ripped the stuff from 5
vague scroll
They did.
ocean relic
if the spartan Is and IVs were volunteers, and the spartan IIs were rented, what were spartan IIIs?
feral perch
Orphans
gilded mason
They were children that were asked if they wanted to get revenge on the mean ol' aliens.
Also, not sure what you mean by "rented".
ocean relic
we uhhhhh b o r r o w e d them
last anchor
Yeah there we go
ocean relic
finally lol
versed helm
@lilac palm aww thanks hahaha
So, we have Spartan 1.1's tanking falls from three story buildings, assembling weapons at 1/4 regulation speeds, reading fine print across the room, and physically healing extremely fast.
ocean relic
spartan 1.1s?
severe elbow
Children of Spartan-Is.
versed helm
^
versed helm
Then, Spartan 1's are considered to be clearly better than their children, and the same goes for a Spartan III in contrast to a Spartan I (I'm pretty sure). Then You have Spartan IIs, which are practically what a III is to a regular human in comparison to a III.
@ocean relic not even close
versed helm
I'm glad they retconned them as still being the best all-round. Well, save for the more pliable amount of permutations and gadgets that Gen II had
ocean relic
save for the more pliable amount of permutations and gadgets that Gen II had what do you mean?
vague scroll
GENII has significantly more variants of armor than GEN1.
obsidian thistle
GEN2 also had GEN1 compatibility
Aka GEN1 stuff could with hardware and software mods work on the GEN2 platform.
snow linden
Ok so I know this should be pretty basic stuff but I did some thinking and am now confused
Didn’t regret come to earth at the beginning of halo two looking for a portal to the ark? Why did he end up at installation 05?
vague scroll
His fleet got beaten, he retreated.
gilded mason
He ran there after finding out a whole bunch of humans were on Earth, which he didn't expect
last anchor
And losing pretty much his entire fleet including a CAS
He's a prophet; hes not a front line brawler and Chief was comin' for his skinny face
I dunno about you but if I knew there was a 7 foot tall armored murder machien coming for me, and had sick music following him every step of the way, I'd run too
gilded mason
Did he lose his fleet? The only major thing of note I recall getting destroyed was that CAS.
I might've just not been paying attention
last anchor
The CAS got blasted, as did a couple other ships
snow linden
Ok so he comes to earth looking for the ark portal, gets roughed up, flees, how does he get to installation 05?
gilded mason
Ok so he comes to earth looking for the ark portal, gets roughed up, flees, how does he get to installation 05?
The luminary that had info on the Ark also had the coordinates for all the Halo rings.
snow linden
To start the sacred journey
gilded mason
Because the Ark was more important.
last anchor
The Covenant didnt know how to activate a Halo at that point
They only learned that when they captured Spark.
And by this point, he hadn't been captured yet
snow linden
So the plan was go to the ark to learn about the gods, but once they were on the ring they realized the ring would do, and then once the ring was gone, let’s head back to earth so we can go to the ark and activate halo array
last anchor
Something like that I think. They couldnt figure out how to turn Alpha Halo on anyway
They never got as far as the Library I dont think. If they did, they got munched by the Flood
snow linden
Ok that makes more sense thank you
glossy forge
No I'm good
versed helm
I like to know how ONI even found that ship
gilded mason
Perhaps the same way Gamma Halo was found: Improbably.
versed helm
Or the dead planet and unknown vault that lead to the creation of the HELLCAT-class Mjolnir armor
And what is Azure Moon anyways?
last anchor
Dark Moon 2.0?
fair hazel
it'd be intersting if the UNSC employed ancient human technology in halo infinite
versed helm
A big thing I want is for them to elaborate on the genesong effects from Halo 4. We need to see that plot-point fulfilled.
^
vague scroll
The Halos destroyed Precursor artifacts, they don't exactly make themselves.
feral perch
hmm
A new Cortana model.. but white, instead of blue, with a different voice actress?
vague scroll
Why?
vague scroll
not much of a reason
feral perch
nope
spiral jewel
When it comes to Halo's lore... Nothing confused me more as to why Brutes are even in Reach and ODST. Especially ODST where it takes place a few weeks before the Great Schism (which happened on November 3rd and the ending of ODST happens on October 21st)
For Reach, I'm not sure where the Brutes came from, plus they felt incredibly out of place for a prequel...
last anchor
The UNSC encountered the Brutes before literally everything else other than the Jackals
Harvest, 2525
They're in Reach because the Covenant knows when they need shock troops.
In ODST, because the Prophet of Truth enacted his plan early when he heard that Regret had jumped the gun so to speak.
Even before the Prophet left earth, the Jiralhanee were killing Sangheili and taking over the invasion force.
By the time ODST happens, its in full swing.
spiral jewel
Thanks for the clarification.
Also, which Halo Installations haven't experienced a flood outbreak as of 2558? Assuming that some installations haven't..
unique rune
I’m pretty sure 01, 02, 03, 06, and 07 haven’t. At least not in any current media... but I’d have to recheck that.
remote spruce
The ones where the Covenant didn't send a bunch of ships to
spiral jewel
I was figuring 01-03 and 06 haven't had any.. I know 00, 04, 05 and 08/04B have had them
unique rune
shrug
Yeah, pretty much.
last anchor
07 had one in the past, but not recently. Everything else, yeah. Stable.
vague scroll
@last anchor that was pre-Hunters in the Dark lore regarding Installation 07.
From my understanding its now non-canon and was originally meant to be 05 but was a typo or something.
vague scroll
Also, for the record, the UNSC doesn't know where Installations 01, 02, and 06 are as the UNSC Infinity never completed their mission to scout out all the Halos.
True. By technicality that was an outbreak.
remote spruce
UNSC Infinity had to save Master Chief's Warthog
vague scroll
I thought you guys were relegating it to the post-War my bad.
remote spruce
Remember the Samuel Jackson thing?
last anchor
I miss that...that was funny
remote spruce
That should be canon
spiral jewel
I'm not sure if it'll ever happen, however I'd love to see in a future Halo game a celebration of sorts of 117's 80th birthday in 2591 or his 100th in 2611... Assuming that Chief manages to survive that long, past H6(Infinite) or H7.
last anchor
Well Spartan-IIs may in fact be immortal ala ancient humanity soooo
spiral jewel
Interesting to know, but still, I'd love to see 117 celebrate his 100th birthday somehow
vague scroll
@last anchor I'm told you're a superhero. What's your hero ranking? Have you fought All Might yet?
last anchor
Snerk. I think thats Gang Orca
vague scroll
Damn. Bad joke. Just realized.
last anchor
Heard worse
vague scroll
Killer Orca is still a cool user handle
vague scroll
Man, when the #general-chat becomes the lore channel...and a mess too
quiet dock
its such a mess
vague scroll
Indeed.
last anchor
(Washes face)
And I thought the clan stuff was bad...
vague scroll
Yeah. While I see merits in the discussions on both sides, inherently, both are also wrong.
Because they're also both right.
fair hazel
well when there are false things and incorect things, those are just wrong
spiral jewel
Whatever is happening, doesn't sound good
terse crypt
Did you even see what I posted in general chat
vague scroll
Still, even you were wrong erick, from the angle you were talking about the Chief not being the last Spartan. From Alex and his camp's point of view, the Chief being the last Spartan has merit because they're perceiving the series from the standpoint of regular Halo fans.
fair hazel
but it`s just factually wrong...
charred flower
its fine if you didnt know. But you did try to say you were right, but you werent. Anyway, now that you know the original version released in 2001, youre just trying to say stuff that isn't all that well backed up
fair hazel
the perception is just wrong
terse crypt
But we dont care about the books
vague scroll
Not really given the marketing intent of Bungie.
charred flower
some of us care
terse crypt
Because we just want to play a halo game
quiet dock
that's where you're wrong
charred flower
kiddo
terse crypt
The average halo fan just plays the games
quiet dock
plot twist
charred flower
yes
remote spruce
Wait what's going on
quiet dock
people here aren't just average Halo fans
charred flower
and not everyone is an average fan
vague scroll
There are no facts that can be applied here because the perception of fans define the right/wrong bias of the discussion.
remote spruce
Yes they are
torpid sonnet
lore drama pog
terse crypt
But then theres others that could be 50/50 or around there that read the expanded lore
charred flower
lool
anyway
yes that can be the case too
but dont ignore the others that know the lore
terse crypt
I'm not
vague scroll
90% of discussion around the lore channel appears dedicated tonjust explaining to non-lore fans basic facets of the Halo mythos.
charred flower
well then
terse crypt
I'm just saying from what originally I said before we went off topic, that the expanded lore is needed to play halo 5
vague scroll
Like why the Flood got out of containment on I05 or what are the Flood?
Those kinds of questions.
last anchor
Not really
remote spruce
Sure it is, but then it applies to every Halo game
last anchor
At least, not as much as it could be
quiet dock
no it isn't
vague scroll
Yes but there are a lot of those people on this server.
vague scroll
Either way. I'm just saying there are all sorts of people here.
terse crypt
The small flood or whatever they are release pores that infect a creature and they become the flood
vague scroll
Fans who know the series like the back of their hand and those who just picked up CE at a garage sale and got curious.
terse crypt
Or something like that because I just beat 2 halo games in less than a day and i cant remember ce
vague scroll
That's not in the game alex, that is part of a Halo novel
terse crypt
No
last anchor
Hes talking about Spark's two second long explanation
Which has sense been retconed and expanded
Which the Flood having something like half a billion avanues of infection
terse crypt
But spark gave 1 explanation for the player
terse crypt
So that it wouldnt take over an hour to explain when you could play
vague scroll
Most people miss that info tbh
last anchor
Goes right over their heads
terse crypt
I remembered it because I hate that level where you're following spark and the flood are following you
vague scroll
As I said, majority of time spent in here is explaining the basic concepts of lore
The Library in CE?
Or do you mean one in Halo 2?
terse crypt
Ce
vague scroll
Right. The Library.
terse crypt
Because that's where spark gives the explanation
last anchor
I remember that section well
Then again I've played the Library so many times I can run it eyes closed
vague scroll
One of the most hated levels in the series.
terse crypt
I hated it too
vague scroll
So, how can we be of service here anyway?
terse crypt
Who are you asking
vague scroll
You and whoever was in the general discussion soup from earlier.
remote spruce
We need more lore on that tree in Blood Gulch
charred flower
I dont hate it
its sure tedius
I'd rather play that level than the new God of War, tbh
and I did play most of the new one
vague scroll
Most common complaints I've heard are "too long" and "too dark"
terse crypt
For me it's just a different vibe than the rest of ce
remote spruce
Rocket Flood
last anchor
If you know how to play the Library right its actually kinda fun.
The smooth swap between magnum and shotgun, the perfect grenade throw that nets you a killionare...
terse crypt
It's a more close quartered level
terse crypt
Dont get me started
remote spruce
explosion
terse crypt
Thank god they were taken out of the sequels
remote spruce
Why shotgun flood w-
terse crypt
Is it me or did the flood take more bullets to kill in halo 2 than ce
charred flower
theyre tough in Halo 2
charred flower
vaugely
remote spruce
Oh wait it may be the weapon instead
terse crypt
I don't know why but I would always use my energy sword as least as possible
I tried to savor it because I knew it would be taken away from me
remote spruce
Plasma rifle shoots and overheats faster in 2 I think
terse crypt
I hated the brutes in halo 2
remote spruce
The placeholder model most likely
torpid sonnet
is it just me or does the banished armor remind you of uruk hai from lord of the rings
terse crypt
When they got angry, I ran and hid because I needed to get headshots basically to kill them
torpid sonnet
with the rusty armor
spiral jewel
In The Library, for me the M90 Shotgun and the MA5B assault rifle are an excellent combo. The MA5B for dealing with the infection forms and the shotgun for everything else. Grenades for the Carrier forms
terse crypt
Halo 3 decided it would be nice to melee kill twice which I liked
torpid sonnet
Bungie where aware that the halo 2 brutes wherent that fun to fightr
hence the change in h3
remote spruce
The banished art has a medieval look to it
torpid sonnet
i just get lord of the rings vibes to the banished haha
artstation has really good facial structures of the brutes in halo wars 2
concept
remote spruce
Banished Locusts are the best
torpid sonnet
i like the more metallic gear they have on their veichels
remote spruce
base destroyed
Ok maybe not the best
torpid sonnet
while covenant is fancy purple
remote spruce
Drivable Shrouds when
The spikes are very excessive when you look at the blitz exclusive models
vague scroll
Indeed.
torpid sonnet
i still think they would be too op in the fps genre
so they are more valible in rts
vague scroll
It could work as an arena boss but Halo has had a bad history with boss battles so I'm hesitant
torpid sonnet
like you have too shoot down materials to make it get stuck or something
and then do damage to the weak point
last anchor
Use some destructability...
torpid sonnet
I hope blur or axis will do Halo infinite cutscenes
or if slipspace is good enough
remote spruce
Hornets with wingmen are scary
torpid sonnet
do you think it was silly we didnt face atriox as a boss in hw2 and just one of his captains
or where you satisfied
remote spruce
Atriox is better off not being a RTS boss
Decimus and his giant mech fit the purpose lol
torpid sonnet
it might be saved up for Halo Wars 3 unless hes a baddie in halo infinite
i want to fight the shipmaster too
remote spruce
teleports units away
torpid sonnet
pray to halo gods it wont be covered in a book 😛
remote spruce
What are the chances for Halo Wars 3 again?
unique rune
inb4 knifed to death at the end of Infinite’s first mission in a cutscene
torpid sonnet
the shipmaster banished elite could work out good in a space rts game
like you fight his banished armada
remote spruce
Sooooo banshees?
unique rune
I don’t think there’s currently plans for a Halo Wars 3... I remember there being supposed leaks of cancelled concept art but I don’t know how credible those were.
unique rune
Ah, okay.
remote spruce
Mind you the concept art reused a bunch of stuff
But that's common for concept art
torpid sonnet
it was official artist so
it seems possible
look it up on you tube since it was leaked i cannot show
unique rune
I don’t think I ever saw the concept art as posted originally, so I always had doubts on its credibility.
torpid sonnet
he did some hw2 art work so it felt real when he upploaded it
torpid sonnet
artstation has some good facial art for insperation
unique rune
I like browsing ArtStation sometimes just to look at concept art for Halo and stuff.
A lot of interesting things that didn’t ever get implemented.
torpid sonnet
i wish we got a high charity map of some sort
with the awakening dlc
if you are on the site now look up the flood art with the title Halo Wars 2 Awakening the Nightmare Cutscenes
so realistic
last anchor
Its groty
versed helm
Would you ever live on Venezia?
Pavium is just the coolest brute ever
@versed helm no lol
Or would you visit Venezia?
Don't think so. It doesn't seem like a nice place
I wonder how the whole Created crisis might affect it
Maybe not as substantial as it would other colonies.
gilded mason
Cortana: "Fear not, denizens of Venezia, I shall improve this world and make it a wonder to all."
Venezia: "How dare you."
versed helm
Lmao
Noooo!!!
I've fallen way to in love with the idea of a Banished novel about the inner-politics with Atriox, Colony and Let
Also having Pavium and Voridus in it, of course.
spiral jewel
I wonder how many species are against the created?
severe elbow
The only confirmation is the forces on the Infinity, a sect of United Rebel Front personnel who escaped from the Hole in the Wall, and the Elites, in spirit if nothing else.
versed helm
Hole in the wall?
severe elbow
An Insurrectionist Colony.
versed helm
I'm still wondering how the Innies are still around
fair hazel
Why?
versed helm
What?
fair hazel
Why are you wondering how they’re still around.
versed helm
Just curious,didn't some of the groups get wiped out by the Covenant?
fair hazel
A lot of humans got wiped out by the covenant. Not everyone though.
So yes some died. Some survived.
severe elbow
Some of the groups, but the Insurrection is very widespread, even if a lot of the individual groups are small.
fair hazel
Some joined the unsc just to fight covenant. Still innies
In halo Wars 2, one of the innies is a leader
versed helm
Whatever became of the Freedom and Liberation Party?
severe elbow
According to Hunt the Truth "By 2558, it was commonly believed that they had been "scooped" while several members had moved to other Insurrectionist factions." Via Halopedia.
versed helm
What about the People's Occupation?
severe elbow
Still active as of the Fall of Reach, apparently.
Not trying to be rude, but you could find a lot of your questions with a quick search on Halopedia.
versed helm
True but i was betting that People's Occupation would've gotten wiped out during the Fall Of Reach
severe elbow
It could have escaped. There are too many variables to say anything for certain.
torpid sonnet
anyone know the background of the banished shipmaster
i have big intresst in the character i know atriox pays him to be on the crew
torpid sonnet
it feels like hes just there in halo wars 2 but i hope he gets a bigger development now when the second in command is defeated
fair hazel
I hope he gets more development indeed
fair hazel
Decimus
torpid sonnet
yeah such a cool trio of enemeis
unless those two brutes got promotes from the flood awakening dlc
but doubt it since they screwed up
fair hazel
Pavium, voridus
severe elbow
His Phoenix Logs give the gist of his character. Rise of Atriox issue four is mostly just visualizing what's in those.
torpid sonnet
is there a reason their names ends with us* and not atroixs
severe elbow
He's basically Halo Wars 2's Brute Chieftan.
There are several Brutes whose names don't have the "-us" suffix.
"-um" seems to be another common suffix. Pavium, Parabum, Gargantum.
versed helm
Lacroix
severe elbow
Well, that's probably the point, since the first Brute we see is Tartarus.
torpid sonnet
what if brutes are greeks
versed helm
Can someone give me a list of which Spartan IIs are still alive as of 2559 since the only ones i can think of are Blue Team,Red Team,and Grey Team
torpid sonnet
what if brutes was on earth before the covenant war in the past lore and they where the gods of greece
severe elbow
They weren't.
torpid sonnet
i was thinking stargate style haha
severe elbow
Their names are just Greek-inspired from a metanarrative level.
versed helm
Wait..should i also include the washouts
torpid sonnet
Halo Wars 2 made me become such a big fan of brutes again
they where so well charactitic in that game
fair hazel
Ceasarus
last anchor
Im pretty sure the names we know them by are the human-pronouncable translations of their actual names.
Since Jiralhanne speach is probably roaring, spitting, and chest-thumping.
fair hazel
Spitting and chest thumping?
last anchor
Yeah, like real life gorrillas do. I dont know what they actually sound like but most likely its unpronouncable by human vocal cords because of how different they are biologically from us
Obviously they can speak english, not sure about the other way around.
Tartarus seems to bark at his bodyguards in Great Journey, and the beserking brutes make weird noises when they charge at you
grim patio
Was there any other reference to the infamous “Moa burgers” from reach??
versed helm
I wonder what they taste like
gilded mason
Chicken.
novel cliff
Good
fair hazel
Might have just been a bark. The thing about language is that, a species tends to need a certain type of language in order to advance.
versed helm
Soren 066 is still alive
fair hazel
And they’re like rhino bears too.
severe elbow
Scents and musk also contribute to the Brute language.
narrow wadi
Don’t they give off their emotions, or something?
I read a little bit of Shadow Of Intent and I think they said that
One mild issue I have with the Halo books
I wish they didn’t make you remember the date of each chapter, cuz it does get a little challenging to remember them all
severe elbow
You really don't need to remember them. They're just for context or if you really care about minutiae like that.
narrow wadi
It’s also how they tell you time skips have happened, which has admittedly confused me at points
I’m just reading First Strike now, it’s a really good book, I can tell already
severe elbow
It's my favorite, personally.
narrow wadi
Mhm, I’m getting New Blood, which will be my next read after First Strike
versed helm
That's a pretty jarring gap of writing intention
narrow wadi
The set of Halo books I can read after First Strike are Fractures, New Blood, or Bad Blood
I’m pretty sure out of those, New Blood is the best choice
(The other Halo books I own, I’ve read before)
versed helm
I haven't read Fractures, but I'd say that's the best choice because of the variety
severe elbow
I'd actually read New Blood first since one of the stories in Fractures ties into it.
narrow wadi
Also cuz Fractures has stuff from all over, and reading New Blood lets me read Bad Blood as well
Then I’ll probably reread Ghosts of Onyx
vague scroll
Personally, I'm against the time stamps at the beginning of every chapter because of things like relativity and how someone is supposed to maintain a 12 month system on a planet with a different length of day and year than Earth several hundred light years away.
Just seems like too much trouble.
I would prefer they just go with "Morning, Afternoon, etc." or if they have multiple POV-flipping chapters, go with "15 minutes since Event" or "hour since Event"
severe elbow
It's a universal time.
vague scroll
Realistically, it would be phased out for anyone beyond the Sol System.
The scene in First Strike that dabbled with time dilation and time travel is an example of where the issue can come up.
severe elbow
There are multiple time systems in use, though. Reach has its own local time. We see the perspective of the UNSC most of the time, hence Military Time, since they need a standardization for coordination.
Time travel would cause an issue with any form of timekeeping.
vague scroll
That's definitely better, the locale time set up.
But not all stories use that which is my where my concerns come up.
brisk isle
Every planet would have a different set of time zones and overall each planet would have differing numbers of hours for each day
severe elbow
Few characters explicitly say "Well now it's 0700 on Jupiter VII, better get to school." The time stamps are for reader convenience.
Most characters would go, "Whelp, it's morning on Jupiter VII, better get to school."
vague scroll
And common year, as in the Gregorian Calendar isn't holistically universal. There are several real life nations that maintain their own calendar systems.
brisk isle
If you're not on Earth time is just different
severe elbow
I mean, those are treated as exceptions and really not considered in casual conversation in real life.
brisk isle
No time keeping is universal
vague scroll
Indeed.
severe elbow
All manner of time keeping is arbitrary. The same amount of time passes regardless of how you measure it.
vague scroll
Yeah but Slipspace should be throwing time out of whack for those traveling between one system and another.
severe elbow
That's biological time, not chronological time.
vague scroll
I'm referring to relativity.
severe elbow
How much time passes in another dimension isn't relevant to how much time passes in this one.
vague scroll
It's relevant if there is no reconciliation, the group travelling through Slipspace doesn't guarentee they're going to pop up after they first started their journey, they could end up arriving before they left.
severe elbow
Yeah, but that doesn't matter when measuring the passage of time in realspace.
They've personally experienced an hour, but them showing up an hour earlier doesn't mean anything in terms of universal time keeping.
vague scroll
I think my major concern comes down to the first people arriving in a new star system, that if their jump was inaccurate, they could arrive in 2500 instead of 2505.
Though its never really addressed outside of the Forerunner trilogy with their casual reconciliation and slipspace debts which is what I'm more concerned about how that's not considered an issue in the story even though it should be one.
In First Strike, the Ascendant Justice-Gettysburg technically went back in time a day due to the affects of the Forerunner Slipspace crystal acquired from beneath Castle Base.
severe elbow
That's because the amount of Slipspace travel in "modern" Halo isn't as extensive as it was during the time of the Forerunners.
They went back in time more than a day.
It was, like, a month.
vague scroll
I'ts been six years since I've read the book, forgive me for not remembering it accurately.
severe elbow
According to Halopedia they went from September 23 to September 7. So about three week, actually.
vague scroll
Still, the variance in itself I think should be an issue, both in regard to using UNSC standard time and for storytelling during the Covenant War.
obsidian thistle
And the only time a a huge time jump was done. It broke up an already close to rampant AI. And was by pure accident and pure "luck"?!?
Oh and it was only data that went though time
Explaining a lot
vague scroll
I don't know. It just seems strange that the series doesn't embrace the wacky and weird issues that Slipspace as a concept brings up.
At least in the books.
obsidian thistle
Cause it adds to many questions and stuff not many will understand.
severe elbow
Why should that affect timekeeping, though? Them traveling from one point in time to another doesn't affect the measurement of time, just their personal location in the timeline.
vague scroll
My issue is that I'm not sure how people are able to keep track of it.
With exception to Slipspace probes in colonized systems automatically updating the date and diagnostic information whenever a ship drops into real space, it seems like an impossible task to even keep track of it outside UEG territory.
obsidian thistle
Yea thats one reason if I recall why 343i doesnt go into the more time bending stuff with Slipspace more often. While we will understand it. It will go over most folks heads.
Or its hard to do right
severe elbow
I'm glad they don't. I don't like time travel and its a wonder First Strike is my favorite Halo book with it in it.
vague scroll
Yeah, still the books are intended for lore fans, might as well embrace the wacky and weird that the lore gives us.
I don't like time travel either but I'd at least like it to be embraced as a problem.
obsidian thistle
I love it ;)
vague scroll
Something to ground the story more.
obsidian thistle
Its my guilty pleasure of sci-fi
vague scroll
Like, if they're going to talk about Slipspace eddies and currents in Greg Bear's Forerunner trilogy, I think we should at least get more homage of that through out the narrative property.
I picked up a Larry Niven novel today from my dad, and funny thing was that one of the co-authors in the book was Greg Bear.
Written back in like 1999.
Man-Kzin War IV
severe elbow
If you look at Peter David (Hunters in the Dark) he's written way more than you'd think he would have.
vague scroll
Yeah, a lot of the authors who have written for Halo have some fairly extensive resumes in terms of their works.
severe elbow
I just remember David sticking out as a surprise to me, for some reason.
vague scroll
Greg Bear was a surprise for me as well though I did know that he worked with several prominent authors in the pre-Internet age of science fiction.
Just didn't realize one of them was Niven.
obsidian thistle
Well if you want my tldr about how the main factions prior to the Covie War traveled though slipspace that is not 100% right but explains it to a way thats easy to understand.
Slipspace is like waves where:
Humanity ride though slipspace.
Covies drill(bore) though slipspace.
Forerunners reflect slipspace.
vague scroll
It's a bit of a difficult analogy but I think it serves its purpose.
obsidian thistle
The Forerunner "reflecting" stuff is where most the wonky stuff comes from.
Thats how I grasp that stuff tbh xD
vague scroll
Well, as I can imagine it... the "waves/currents" of Slipspace have a certain pattern to them, like a sin wave. The Forerunner Slipspace drive takes its bubble of relativistic space and vibrates its own current to same beat of Slipspace, almost as if its "calming" the Slipspace current by matching the beat of the wave, creating a smooth passage for a Forerunner starship to pass through and making their journey pin-point accurate.
obsidian thistle
Well the waves are not all the same. Its why Harvest is the furthest but weirdly close colony to earth.
vague scroll
Waves don't have to be consistent but rather I think the Forerunner slipspace drives and their Ancilla can detect and match their reality frequency.
If that's even a possible concept.
Slipspace has always been a bunch of technobabble, all we can really do is draw logical abstracts about it.
Still, its a very cool concept.
sullen ridge
I've tried explaining slipspace to my science teach once
Also a gamet
Gamer*
Even he had a hard time with it
vague scroll
Well even Hyperspace in Star Wars is wack
And science teachers aren't really expected to know quantum physics...
sullen ridge
Well mine did have phds
obsidian thistle
Slipspace is hard to explain cause we dont have a understanding on how the Drive actually works itself. To that end I still want more Shaw and Fujikawa lore.
sullen ridge
Call someone to make a novel about them
vague scroll
I always wanted to treat Slipspace drives like a hadron collider, firing particles at a percentage of the speed of light into one another to create singularities
sullen ridge
Or steal the halo bible and search it up in there
obsidian thistle
We once had lore on them. Before Grim decanonised it lol
sullen ridge
It udes hawking radioton
obsidian thistle
That lore I mentioned is the only decanonised lore to date
vague scroll
Then take the singularity, expand it and stabilize it enough to drop a ship in and out of it
I'm still weirded out that a starship needs to travel under the power of its own thrusters to move through Slipspace
Since if Slipspace were to follow the basic principles of a worm hole, its not creating a hole in space but rather its the movement of a bubble of reality to another part of the Universe.
Kind of like when two droplets of water are attracted toward one another in close proximity.
sullen ridge
It's not a wormhole
vague scroll
I did say "if"
sullen ridge
They basically travel through a nothingness where the concept of time also lies different
versed helm
Which makes curious about the ending for HW2,how is a Guardian Custode able to pull objects out of slipspace?
vague scroll
Of course, its transitioning into another dimension that shares some properties of our reality and yet negates some other properties
No, Slipspace is an actual dimension, its not nothingness.
vague scroll
You need to remember that time and space are not seperate
Space-time is its own dimension
Just as much as the three dimensions that make up our sense of space are three separate dimensions
Time is combined with it to form our 4-D reality.
Making space-time technically its own measure because no forces can exert influence upon it with exception to gravitational forces
severe elbow
Any form of FTL travel in sci-fi is going to require suspension of disbelief.
vague scroll
True, but with every form of it, you can also give it laws and rules and conditions to shrink the gap.
sullen ridge
Would it be possible that a faulty jump could make ships end up in different universed
vague scroll
more likely, a faulty jump will just get you shredded by slipspace eddies as reality itself pops to pieces around you
sullen ridge
That's Likely gonna happen 99.99....% of the time
But should something happen like the non-canon doa cameo
vague scroll
I think it should be possible
Which is why I was throwing that little fit earlier about UNSC standard time being an issue and Halo not paying enough lip service to time dilation
It would both create a bunch of issues but it would make for some very interesting stories
also, it encourages people to get interested in higher-level sciences...
narrow wadi
Ah, I gotcha. Thank you.
severe elbow
Halo 4 is July 2557, Halo 5 is October 2558.
vague scroll
^
sullen ridge
Year and a few months
severe elbow
Spartan Ops is February 2558.
sullen ridge
Chief working himself to beat his loss
narrow wadi
I assume that’s why Fred comments on Chief doing so many missions back-to-back?
narrow wadi
That... actually makes a lot of sense
Cuz the man is shown to basically be breaking inside
The fact he’s shaking, in MJOLNIR armour, says a lot
(Before Argent Moon)
remote spruce
poor Fred he needs moar naps
severe elbow
Within three days the Master Chief reunites with Blue Team and encounters the Didact again. After that Lord Hood tells the Chief to take some time off, but the Chief reassigns himself and Blue Team directly to missions, going pretty much non-stop until October 2558.
narrow wadi
His first break was on Genesis, after escaping the Crypt
*cryptum
Which is absolutely mental
sullen ridge
Yeah
vague scroll
You know its interesting that Chief really broke after Cortana of all people died, he mourned the loss of Sam and others, but the death of Cortana was the thing that truly broke him.
I'd probably give the reason for this being that Cortana was literally inside his head, communicating with him, seeing all his memories and thoughts, in reality, she was the only person in the Universe that truly knew him.
sullen ridge
Cortana gone baf
Bad
I mean
Cortana was kinda his soul mate
But he getd a new chip in infinite trailer
vague scroll
When you bring geas into the picture, saying that has some literal merit...
severe elbow
And Cortana was someone, in his eyes, who he was supposed to protect. His fellow Spartans were fellow soldiers, not people for him to protect.
narrow wadi
His Fellow Spartans were his brothers and sisters, basically
sullen ridge
They were family
But should have had a physical body
Halo would have a tad of romance added to it
vague scroll
should?
sullen ridge
Or a hzrd light copy at that
vague scroll
I mean...you don't really need a physical body to feel love
sullen ridge
True
vague scroll
And the lack of one actually makes the Chief-Cortana story more tragic
severe elbow
vague scroll
It's why Halo 4 hit... also, I don't want any weird AI-Spartan flings please.
vague scroll
And on that note, AI-Human relationships work. The film Her from 2013 comes to mind.
sullen ridge
Never seen it
severe elbow
I was Kidnapped as a Child but Now I Love a Computer!?!?
vague scroll
Shorten that down and I think you got a good Japanese anime title
vague scroll
My AI Suit Lady Loves Me?
severe elbow
No, the title needs to be longer.
severe elbow
Light novel titles in Japan are purposefully excessively long and/or silly to stand out on shelves.
vague scroll
I'm a Futuristic Child Supersoldier with Superhuman Powers and my AI Suit Lady Assistant Loves Me?
sullen ridge
Also
severe elbow
That's more like it.
sullen ridge
You have titles like overlord and knights and magic
vague scroll
It's rare for animes like Overlord to get made.
vague scroll
Most of animes made are light novel Slice of life romance stuff, they're cheap to animate and help pay the bills.
sullen ridge
Mostly made to advertise the source material
vague scroll
Well they only ever animate the first LN.
It's near impossible for a second season to happen.
Like Sword Art Online...
sullen ridge
Usually 2 or 3 volules at most
Monogatari series is getting the last few novels animated
vague scroll
How Sword Art Online has survived for so long is insane.
Oh that's good, then again, Monogatari is fairly popular.
vague scroll
I got to go in about 5 minutes but we can always take it to DM
severe elbow
This is getting too off topic, btw.
vague scroll
It's why he was asking.
severe elbow
vague scroll
ah okay
sullen ridge
Ooh
@severe elbow i was wondering if there was an off topic chat
But okay general then
narrow wadi
I noticed something when playing the Maw, and I’m curious
Is there an in-universe explanation as to why the Cole Protocol wasn’t used on the Autumn?
Spark refers to the fact that he’s getting information on humans out of the systems, such as our history, which would imply that they didn’t do it, despite the fact that the books make it painfully clear that the Cole Protocol is essential?
sullen ridge
@narrow wadi you have the problem of it being the first game
So it would probably be a lack of lore in the early stages of halo
narrow wadi
I wasn’t saying “why was this not done”, just “did they ever give a reason in the EU?”
Like I get that it’s the first game, I’m just mildly curious
vivid dust
I mean, Keyes did say he was activating the Cole Protocol
narrow wadi
Ah, I didn’t remember that
severe bone
Yea Keyes did mention they were enacting cole protocol
Not sure why that didnt stop spark from finding info tho
narrow wadi
Maybe the ship was just buggered before the Cole Protocol could go through?
The Covenant Scavengers didn’t have time to search the Autumn before Chief returned, and even when Chief returned, it was all Spec-Ops covenant for killing the Flood
severe bone
Perhaps, the Captain and every surviving crewmen were captured by the Covenant pretty early on
narrow wadi
Either that, or Spark knows how to recover stuff better than the Covenant, which would make sense, since he’s an AI
severe bone
Guess they were more interested in cleansing the ring of the filth that is humanity rather than dig in their archives immediately
Yea not out of the question for a forerunner construct
narrow wadi
Hell, there’s a good Chance SPARK stopped the Cole Protocol himself
severe bone
😮
narrow wadi
We know he was in their systems before the Ship crashed
Given the message he sent them
severe bone
Yea the msg that they happily ignored haha
narrow wadi
So it wouldn’t be out of the line for him to go “oh, they’re deleting everything? Must be a bug. I’ll fix it.”
severe bone
It was granted, a retcon of sorts. But def great
Esp the Anniversary Terminals, which could be pretty out of place
But they help to fill the player in on inner lore stuff
Whether it be visual terminals, text terminals, audio logs (ODST/5) or Data log entries, these complementary substories help to flesh the world better. I do appreciate more story and context to the Haloverse
narrow wadi
The single best use of a Terminal is in H1A
By having the “Keyes. Jacob” scene be a terminal and having it be in the same room as Keyes
severe bone
Yes that was perfect
We never got to witness what it was like having your mind consumed by the Flood
narrow wadi
And it’s horrifying
severe bone
I imagine it being like short term memory + amnesia + some dark vacuum eating the consciousness of all that makes who I am as a person, all of that happening while my body continually deteriorate beyond my control
Yea pretty awful
vivid dust
man that scene was already something in the book but the terminal
narrow wadi
It legitimately gave me nightmares when I first watched it
obsidian thistle
Fun fact the Keyes CEA terminal blends in well with the book. No retcons required
vivid dust
are there some Terminals that recon preexisting lore?
light cloud
Hey I really wanna start reading the halo books but so many have released, I've no idea where to start.
light cloud
Oooh. Thanks!
narrow wadi
If you’re light on funds, always begin with Fall
It’s a great read, and it’s also the one that’s most important for future events
gilded mason
Though Fractures has Shadow of Intent and Saint's Testimony already included, so you don't need to get those seperately.
vague scroll
Only concern to remember about Halo: Fall of Reach, its the most convoluted of the Halo novels because its the oldest novel and lore has significantly changed over the years
severe elbow
I don't think convoluted is the right word. Most of the stuff that was retconned was fixed in the reprint, and other stuff is fairly obvious with the context that it's so old.
narrow wadi
crap, I don’t think I own the reprinted Halo books
I own the reprint of First Strike, but I don’t think I own the reprints of Flood or Reach
gilded mason
Originals are still good, even if there are some discrepancies.
narrow wadi
Mhm, I can imagine that. I might still get the reprints when my collection is sorted out. It’s not an essential priority, but when I’ve got all the books, I’ll go for them
I’m getting my copy of New Blood tomorrow as well, which I’m VERY excited for
obsidian thistle
Sweet. Make sure it has the coda at the back.
narrow wadi
What coda?
obsidian thistle
A kinda of Epilogue in terms of this story.
One that leads into Halo 5 a tiny bit
Its not vital but its certainly a nice touch
narrow wadi
Ah, I gotcha. If I miss on the epilogue that leads into Halo 5, it won’t be the end of the world
fair hazel
I got my physical bad blood copy from podtacular
versed helm
What do you guys think of a Silent Shadow sabotage operation that focuses on limiting Brute potential physiology on a mass-scale? I was imagining some of these happening over certain periods in secret, with High Charity attempting to justify why some brutes were limited in combat ability.
last anchor
Wouldnt shock me
gilded mason
I dunno, Truth would prbably want them ready for when he made his move.
lilac palm
I would like to see what happened to those who betrayed the Silent Shadow.
Like a vengeance story
subtle depot
How did Douglas get a new helmet in halo wars 2. His old one was crushed so did the spirit of fire manufacture one somehow?
lilac palm
sam explaination how Jerome stepped onto the field wearing Mark VI lookalike armour
when he became his own leader
last anchor
Upgraded armor. Its almost like hes attached to a 2500 meter long former colony ship with internal factories capable of stripmining raw materials for use in combat..
fair hazel
theres stuff for spartans too
remote spruce
Those factories are to replace those 75 scorpions I lost in Halo Wars 1.
versed helm
Here's a question..should i avoid the Kilo-5 Trilogy?
gilded mason
I'd personally say so.
versed helm
From what i heard about it,it's not that good
gilded mason
That is correct.
versed helm
Other than the relentless Halsey bashing,what other things should i know about the Kilo-5 Trilogy
gilded mason
ONI decided to act very foolishly and assumed for some reason the Elites only live on Sanghelios and that other Sangheili wouldn't be mad about what ONI did if it ever came to light. And considering ONI didn't take many precautions, that was pretty likely.
versed helm
I wonder how angry the Arbiter would be if he found out about ONI's involvement in the Blooding Years?
gilded mason
I'm sure he's already aware. And probably feels just a little betrayed.
Though he's smart enough not to pin the blame on a faction's actions on a whole species.
versed helm
True
versed helm
I still need to get my hands on a copy of The Cole Protocol
remote spruce
That's a good novel