#lore-and-universe | Halo | Page 153

versed helm Dec 24, 2018, 7:00 PM

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Hahah we’re keeping this halo lore

modest marsh Dec 24, 2018, 7:00 PM

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Sorry if that came off as snide the thought just came off as amusing

versed helm Dec 24, 2018, 7:00 PM

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It was

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I genuinely laughed out loud

vague scroll Dec 24, 2018, 7:01 PM

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I'd like to point out that the gun is the sword or spear in modern days, combatives require the integration of the gun as a hand held weapon

modest marsh Dec 24, 2018, 7:01 PM

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Right but like

vague scroll Dec 24, 2018, 7:01 PM

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or knife in any case

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the issue is claiming that special forces aren't martial artist masters, no point in getting away from that

modest marsh Dec 24, 2018, 7:02 PM

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From my albeit distanced understanding of these techniques, the goal is to create room for the firearm to be used most effectively rather than relying on melee skills to dispatch the opponent

vague scroll Dec 24, 2018, 7:02 PM

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they're not masters in sword fighting, they're masters in combatives or in other words MMA which isn't a martial art itself because its a amalgamation, a mix of everything

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but they are masters in it

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shooting someone with your barrel jabbed into them is part of that whole mess

modest marsh Dec 24, 2018, 7:03 PM

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“Master” begins losing meaning when the term is used so broadly

versed helm Dec 24, 2018, 7:03 PM

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So earlier you said they’re probably more proficient in kicking and striking more than grappling right? @modest marsh I’d argue it’s the other way around, if it’s stealth which is probably the biggest application of h2h combat the bread and butter is probably rear naked choke holds, submissive take downs and neck snapping, things more quiet than getting into a bare knuckle gypsy fight

vague scroll Dec 24, 2018, 7:03 PM

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Well you were the one first to use it

modest marsh Dec 24, 2018, 7:04 PM

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I would sooner call a Spartan a Master than an ONI Acquisition specialist

versed helm Dec 24, 2018, 7:04 PM

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And that’s not halo lore, that’s my input on actual special forces

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Cause your not gonna choke out an elite

vague scroll Dec 24, 2018, 7:04 PM

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https://www.livestrong.com/article/429350-styles-martial-arts-navy-seals-learn/

modest marsh Dec 24, 2018, 7:04 PM

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Dutch did

versed helm Dec 24, 2018, 7:05 PM

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Well some Spartans are capable, the better ones at least lol

modest marsh Dec 24, 2018, 7:06 PM

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Here’s what I’ll ask

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Are we in agreement that the instances in which a Spartan applies H2H techniques is more common than that of an unaugmented soldier?

vague scroll Dec 24, 2018, 7:07 PM

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yes

modest marsh Dec 24, 2018, 7:07 PM

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Well

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Then naturally they’re going to be better than even the people who may train in it more thoroughly than the average

versed helm Dec 24, 2018, 7:08 PM

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I don’t know about more common, however if the argument was that H2H tactics are more viable for a spartan then yes

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Snapping something’s neck is like cracking your knuckles to them

vague scroll Dec 24, 2018, 7:08 PM

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That was how I looked at it as well.

modest marsh Dec 24, 2018, 7:08 PM

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Well also

vague scroll Dec 24, 2018, 7:08 PM

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I didn't focus on the Spartan comparison, rather, the comparison of a MMA guy vs someone in special forces

modest marsh Dec 24, 2018, 7:09 PM

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It’s not particularly viable for the average UNSC serviceman to engage an opponent in H2H either

versed helm Dec 24, 2018, 7:09 PM

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The femur is the hardest bone to break in the human body. A spartan could just kick it in like a stick

modest marsh Dec 24, 2018, 7:09 PM

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Given their primary opponent are physically superior aliens

versed helm Dec 24, 2018, 7:10 PM

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But we can agree Locke isn’t a average usnc servicemen

vague scroll Dec 24, 2018, 7:10 PM

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Alright, I can tell this conversation is shifting back to the Chief vs. Locke comparison, I already agreed from the start that the Chief should be more proficient than Locke but we're doing a disservice to special operations if we're saying they're not masters of their craft, including H2H/combatives.

modest marsh Dec 24, 2018, 7:10 PM

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Sure, but I doubt he’s snapping Jackals in half over his knee

versed helm Dec 24, 2018, 7:11 PM

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Hahahah

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Yeah and I’ve agreed with you this whole time @vague scroll

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Maybe a grunt or two tho

vague scroll Dec 24, 2018, 7:11 PM

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I know, Maggruber however, is the one that I'm in disagreement with

versed helm Dec 24, 2018, 7:11 PM

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How tall are they?

modest marsh Dec 24, 2018, 7:12 PM

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The Covenant races in general are stronger than they seem because we fight from the perspective of a super soldier

versed helm Dec 24, 2018, 7:12 PM

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No need to do that to a jackel when you can just stab them in the face

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Like we do in game

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Yes okay just so we’re on the same page

vague scroll Dec 24, 2018, 7:12 PM

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You and I have been on the same frequency this entire time

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Magg I'm not so sure

modest marsh Dec 24, 2018, 7:12 PM

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Grunts and Jackals are both capable of killing adult human males with very little effort

vague scroll Dec 24, 2018, 7:12 PM

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No disagreement on the aliens comparison

versed helm Dec 24, 2018, 7:12 PM

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But you do fight from an ODST perspective! @modest marsh

modest marsh Dec 24, 2018, 7:12 PM

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They’re larger and stronger in general

vague scroll Dec 24, 2018, 7:13 PM

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@versed helm Gameplay from Halo 3: ODST is misleading

versed helm Dec 24, 2018, 7:13 PM

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True

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We’ll never see a spartan do some crazy flying judo kick into a jackel because all they have to do is punch them in the face

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Hahahahah

modest marsh Dec 24, 2018, 7:13 PM

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Assassinations tbf

versed helm Dec 24, 2018, 7:13 PM

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This is great

modest marsh Dec 24, 2018, 7:14 PM

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It’d be cool if they let you do assassinations on weak/weakened enemies without getting behind them like in Doom

vague scroll Dec 24, 2018, 7:14 PM

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I still haven't gotten a sufficient answer from Magg regarding the special forces being masters in their craft, which is bothering me.

modest marsh Dec 24, 2018, 7:14 PM

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They’re good at what they do, yes

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But what they do aren’t the same thing as what Chief and Locke were doing

vague scroll Dec 24, 2018, 7:15 PM

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then yeah, we're on the same page then, the Lock and Chief fight is just going to have to be what it is.

Don't have to like it but have you to accept that the depiction was what it is, even though its most certainly wrong.

versed helm Dec 24, 2018, 7:16 PM

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The assassinations in halo reach were pretty satisfying

modest marsh Dec 24, 2018, 7:17 PM

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Well, moreover, I struggle to think of instances where Locke’s knife fighting style when he killed Jul would be useful outside of his time as a Spartan

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As an example

vague scroll Dec 24, 2018, 7:17 PM

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Just stomping on an enemies head should do the trick, no need to draw the knife

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That situation was appropriate for his Spartan-IV circumstance then, I doubt he could have pulled that off before.

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Must have been something else he used to bring down elites back in the day

modest marsh Dec 24, 2018, 7:17 PM

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Vale definitely seemed to apply a more realistic depiction of special forces application of close quarters techniques

vague scroll Dec 24, 2018, 7:18 PM

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She's too artsy and flipsy though

modest marsh Dec 24, 2018, 7:18 PM

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Yeah

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I’m talking more about when she entered the Phantom

vague scroll Dec 24, 2018, 7:18 PM

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yeah, that was pretty good

versed helm Dec 24, 2018, 7:19 PM

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On another note, Does a blast from a plasma based gun kill an unarmored human in one hit??? I’m still on that grunt and jackal being able to kill a adult male easily

modest marsh Dec 24, 2018, 7:19 PM

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Yes

vague scroll Dec 24, 2018, 7:19 PM

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It's superheated plasma, it liquifies your internal organs

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The burns either cook you to a crisp or melt your insides

modest marsh Dec 24, 2018, 7:19 PM

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Single shots from needlers and plasma pistols will instantly kill the target on arrival

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People have lost entire limbs from that

vague scroll Dec 24, 2018, 7:20 PM

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Getting burned to a crisp will do that

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Needler rounds are just really large shards, the blunt force trauma will kill someone

modest marsh Dec 24, 2018, 7:20 PM

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Well

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The fact they also violently explode is also a concern

versed helm Dec 24, 2018, 7:21 PM

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I always wondered if a single brute or elite could wipe an entire nmpd station, granted them not being prepared for such

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Or a real life police station for that matter

modest marsh Dec 24, 2018, 7:21 PM

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Recall what happened in FUD when what’s her name got hit with a supercombine?

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Her entire body was liquified in a flash

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Covenant weapons have a lot of drawbacks that makes them less viable than conventional weapons

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For example, it’s really easy to find the shooter assuming you weren’t blinded by the discharge

vague scroll Dec 24, 2018, 7:23 PM

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the terror and anti-crowd capacity of their weapons are pretty good for their intentions

modest marsh Dec 24, 2018, 7:23 PM

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That’s a big advantage for their side, yes

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I mean more from a human perspective

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Their weapons are also grossly inefficient, resulting in a lot of waste heat making them uncomfortable and dangerous to use extensively

versed helm Dec 24, 2018, 7:27 PM

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What’s crazy enough is just the amount of strength it would require to helm one of their weapons, elites and grunts single hand a plasma rifle/ neelder but in halo ce the marines have to use both arms in a propped position just to hold it

modest marsh Dec 24, 2018, 7:27 PM

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Less of a problem when you’re an alien with natural resistance to radiation and have hardened scales/skin/exoskeletons

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Forget about the sidearms, Grunts single arm fuel rod guns and fire them while moving

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Those weigh as much as a Javelin launcher

vague scroll Dec 24, 2018, 7:28 PM

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Their bodies are built for it

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Humans are just really skinny

versed helm Dec 24, 2018, 7:29 PM

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You think bungie designed grunts from a creative standpoint completely or did they use some thought in what it would take to regularly carry a weapon like that?

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Hence the wide stocky base and Popeyes like forearms(grip strength)

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Cause if they did the latter that’s some attention to detail man

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Bungo let us flip elephants but not let us hold smgs stable

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So no

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Hahahaha

modest marsh Dec 24, 2018, 7:31 PM

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We know Bungie’s original plan was for the Elites to be the main species

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And for awhile, the only species

versed helm Dec 24, 2018, 7:31 PM

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Thank god we fight an elite or two and a handful of grunts and not 10 man elite squads

modest marsh Dec 24, 2018, 7:32 PM

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Originally they didn’t have personal shields either

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So they were very easy to kill

versed helm Dec 24, 2018, 7:33 PM

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Is an elite form peak physical engineering?

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I think they’re the perfect balance of agility and strength

modest marsh Dec 24, 2018, 7:34 PM

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Well

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Their entire species is built on the concept of eugenics

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It makes sense

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Literally only the best of them are allowed to live, and only the best of the best of them can legally breed

versed helm Dec 24, 2018, 7:35 PM

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Really? Did not know that, makes sense

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Have they ever questioned why they never held the mantle?

modest marsh Dec 24, 2018, 7:36 PM

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That’s why they’re called Elites

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Because they’re elitists

vague scroll Dec 24, 2018, 7:36 PM

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the mantle is not even fully understood by any species

versed helm Dec 24, 2018, 7:36 PM

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Hmmmm

modest marsh Dec 24, 2018, 7:36 PM

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The mantle goes against their code of ethics pretty sure

vague scroll Dec 24, 2018, 7:36 PM

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the current governments don't even know it exists

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For most, the first time anyone has ever heard of the Mantle was when Cortana announced the Created were taking over during her galactic-wide broadcast

modest marsh Dec 24, 2018, 7:38 PM

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Master Chief was the first (modern) human to learn about it pretty sure

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On Requiem

versed helm Dec 24, 2018, 7:40 PM

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Makes sense, I feel like the only other way you would hear about it was from installation monitors and terminals on the installations and we all know the covenant chose to ignore anything the monitors said that didn’t fall in line with their religion

vague scroll Dec 24, 2018, 7:40 PM

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its unknown but its possible its been mentioned at other Forerunner ruins but the notes regarding it are buried under lots of archaeology paperwork

gilded mason Dec 24, 2018, 7:41 PM

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we all know the covenant chose to ignore anything the monitors said that didn’t fall in line with their religion
They do?

versed helm Dec 24, 2018, 7:41 PM

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Don’t they?

gilded mason Dec 24, 2018, 7:41 PM

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I don't really recall much about that other than the three prophets covering up the Reclaimer thing. But I probably forgot something.

versed helm Dec 24, 2018, 7:42 PM

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Doesn’t guilty spark say during halo 2 that they refuse to listen to him when he’s trying to tell them that great journey isn’t what they think it is

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Calls them meddlers I believe

gilded mason Dec 24, 2018, 7:43 PM

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Was this in a terminal, or a cutscene?

versed helm Dec 24, 2018, 7:43 PM

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Cutscene

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Might be in 1 but most likely 2

gilded mason Dec 24, 2018, 7:44 PM

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I only remember Spark talking during heretic missions and the ending.

versed helm Dec 24, 2018, 7:45 PM

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I’ll have to look it up too then

severe elbow Dec 24, 2018, 7:47 PM

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We're never actually shown Guilty Spark talking to Truth and Mercy.

versed helm Dec 24, 2018, 7:53 PM

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The closest scene I can see to that is the one with the heretic, after arbiter kills him

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I didn’t mean the upper epsilon of the covenant, the prophets just others that would’ve come into contacts with monitors or terminals

wintry galleon Dec 24, 2018, 8:20 PM

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I want 343 to bring back flipping elephants with the message "OwO How'd you do that?!"
A slight modification of the actual text

wispy bough Dec 24, 2018, 8:41 PM

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no

ocean relic Dec 24, 2018, 8:56 PM

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bringing up the alignment chart again: where do you think ONI stands? i think they are chaotic good imo

gilded mason Dec 24, 2018, 8:56 PM

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Nowhere near good.

ocean relic Dec 24, 2018, 8:56 PM

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remember

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oni has humanity's "best" interests in mind

gilded mason Dec 24, 2018, 8:57 PM

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They only have what they think is humanity's best interests in mind. And as you said, it only extends to humanity.

ocean relic Dec 24, 2018, 8:57 PM

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yea, and thats why they are chaotic good

gilded mason Dec 24, 2018, 8:58 PM

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"Good" doesn't apply.

ocean relic Dec 24, 2018, 8:58 PM

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they sure arent evil atleast, and they definatley arent neutral

gilded mason Dec 24, 2018, 8:59 PM

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These are the same people that only decided not to attempt to exterminate the Sangheili on Sanghelios because they thought the poison they'd use might make it difficult for human colonization on the planet.

ocean relic Dec 24, 2018, 8:59 PM

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i never said they arent immoral

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the absolutely are

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they are just doing the stuff they do for our interest (our as in humanity)

gilded mason Dec 24, 2018, 9:00 PM

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Yeah, at the expense of other species, and humans that don't want ONI interfering.

ocean relic Dec 24, 2018, 9:01 PM

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ok, where do you think ONI best line up in the chart?

gilded mason Dec 24, 2018, 9:03 PM

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I don't know. They tend to be lawful, but also do underhanded things as with that silly Kilo-5 stuff. And while they value humans that they control, they are perfectly fine with with the idea of commiting genocide on others. So I'd go with evil or a very immoral neutral. A bit too complicated to pick one box.

ocean relic Dec 24, 2018, 9:05 PM

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a mix between chaotic good, chaotic neutral, and lawful evil seems the most fitting

quiet dock Dec 24, 2018, 9:05 PM

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ONI is xenophobic (albeit, for good reason), underhanded, vile and secretive

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The thought of them being remotely good is wrong tbh

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In war, all bets are off on what is considered good and evil but even in peace time they censor citizens, actively undermine anything not fitting with their agenda, and plot to slaughter species

ocean relic Dec 24, 2018, 9:08 PM

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and why do you think they do that

gilded mason Dec 24, 2018, 9:08 PM

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Because they like control.

ocean relic Dec 24, 2018, 9:08 PM

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ok fair enough

quiet dock Dec 24, 2018, 9:08 PM

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Because they are trying to be the king of the universe

ocean relic Dec 24, 2018, 9:08 PM

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maybe not that far

quiet dock Dec 24, 2018, 9:08 PM

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Tbh if ONI got their hands on the Mantle

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Hoooooo boi

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That would be horrific

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They’d probably commit Xenocide across the galaxy

ocean relic Dec 24, 2018, 9:10 PM

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maybe not that far, they would probably just rule the galaxy with an iron fist, not genociding other species

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i say "just" very loosely

quiet dock Dec 24, 2018, 9:11 PM

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They would be worse than Cortana

ocean relic Dec 24, 2018, 9:12 PM

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how could you be worse than h e r ?

quiet dock Dec 24, 2018, 9:12 PM

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Hunt the Truth gives me more than enough reason to not trust them

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Because they manage to do all they do in secret without anyone knowing

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Imagine what they would do if they faced no consequences for their actions

ocean relic Dec 24, 2018, 9:13 PM

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they still answer to a greater power, dont they?

quiet dock Dec 24, 2018, 9:13 PM

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I doubt it

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They probably would have an assassin on standby the moment their “boss” doesn’t like what they’re doing

ocean relic Dec 24, 2018, 9:15 PM

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oni is a group, not a sentient being. once the higher up(s) say something, its pretty much an order

quiet dock Dec 24, 2018, 9:16 PM

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They are a group, and considering how they’ve acted in the past I don’t think they’d hesitate to not let their higher ups stop them

vague scroll Dec 24, 2018, 9:17 PM

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Let's put it this way, the alignment chart is unreliable because Halo as a story medium is inherently divided into multiple perspectives - there is no clear definition of good and evil in this series

ocean relic Dec 24, 2018, 9:17 PM

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flood

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what is that tho

vague scroll Dec 24, 2018, 9:18 PM

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Flood is an interesting question to ask because it would likely give you the same answer I just did

quiet dock Dec 24, 2018, 9:18 PM

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Flood isn’t even on the chart

vague scroll Dec 24, 2018, 9:18 PM

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good and evil is subjective

quiet dock Dec 24, 2018, 9:19 PM

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They’re a space parasite with the only interest of expanding

vague scroll Dec 24, 2018, 9:19 PM

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and with multiple perspectives in the universe, you can't call anything evil or good therefore

quiet dock Dec 24, 2018, 9:19 PM

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Every action the gravemind takes is in execution of that goal

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Nothing more, nothing less

ocean relic Dec 24, 2018, 9:19 PM

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you just described oni tho

quiet dock Dec 24, 2018, 9:20 PM

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Moderately true

ocean relic Dec 24, 2018, 9:20 PM

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yeet

quiet dock Dec 24, 2018, 9:20 PM

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But ONI also has human politics

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The Gravemind is the only sentience among the Flood

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His species also is designed to devour other species and use them for strength

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Humans don’t need to infect and assimilate other species to expand in an infinite universe

ocean relic Dec 24, 2018, 9:22 PM

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im not-

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i didnt mean literally

quiet dock Dec 24, 2018, 9:22 PM

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Oof

ocean relic Dec 24, 2018, 9:22 PM

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humans dont eat other humans and grow into worms

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i just meant that oni are in service of a goal

quiet dock Dec 24, 2018, 9:22 PM

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But in either case, the Gravemind is a parasite that may have a sentient being but always will be a parasite

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Humanity as a species is more than capable of peaceful coexistence and not being a parasite/warmongering species

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Yet ONI makes them warmongers

ocean relic Dec 24, 2018, 9:24 PM

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oni is the warmonger

quiet dock Dec 24, 2018, 9:25 PM

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And since they’re controlling as much as they can behind the scenes

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I’m pretty sure Hood wants peace with the Sangheili, as do most humans that don’t have a bloodlust for revenge

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And yet ONI is more than willing to wipe them out if it gives humanity another planet to inhabit

ocean relic Dec 24, 2018, 9:26 PM

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wait, oni only wanted to use the poisoned crop as a last resort right?

gilded mason Dec 24, 2018, 9:26 PM

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The only reason they didn't go through with the poison was because they didn't want it to negatively effect the humans that recolonize Sanghelios.

ocean relic Dec 24, 2018, 9:27 PM

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lol

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why doesnt the unsc or the UEG do something?>

gilded mason Dec 24, 2018, 9:27 PM

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Though the plan in the first place was incredibly short sighted and just plain dumb.

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why doesnt the unsc or the UEG do something?>
I'm not sure they were even aware.

quiet dock Dec 24, 2018, 9:28 PM

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^^^

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ONI is so in the dark they basically don’t exist

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Prowlers for one

ocean relic Dec 24, 2018, 9:29 PM

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but they're a branch of the government, arent they?

quiet dock Dec 24, 2018, 9:29 PM

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And don’t forget Hunt the Truth, the lengths they went to in order to make a rise out of civilians

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People know ONI exists

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But they’re so silent and behind the scenes that people really only speculate

ocean relic Dec 24, 2018, 9:29 PM

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you mean the allegations against chief in that council?

feral perch Dec 24, 2018, 9:30 PM

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Hunt the Truth isn't canon, is it?

gilded mason Dec 24, 2018, 9:30 PM

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It is canon.

quiet dock Dec 24, 2018, 9:30 PM

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Why wouldn’t it be?

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Nothing conflicted with H5

feral perch Dec 24, 2018, 9:30 PM

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Because Chief was gone for a couple of days

ocean relic Dec 24, 2018, 9:31 PM

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what is hunt the truth

feral perch Dec 24, 2018, 9:31 PM

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And ONI reacted that fast and that negatively to the public?!

gilded mason Dec 24, 2018, 9:31 PM

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Though it is screwy, with the constant "Master Chief's dead! Master Chief's a traitor! Master Chief is alive again!" thing.

quiet dock Dec 24, 2018, 9:31 PM

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An audio drama

feral perch Dec 24, 2018, 9:31 PM

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It makes no sense

carmine sleet Dec 24, 2018, 9:31 PM

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ONI are the equivalent of organisations like MI6 or CIA within the Halo universe and like those real world organisations, most people outside them have no idea about how they actually operate because that has a risk of leaks of their info which would compromise them

quiet dock Dec 24, 2018, 9:31 PM

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It’s basically the news cycle tho

feral perch Dec 24, 2018, 9:32 PM

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But

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It's totally unnecessary

quiet dock Dec 24, 2018, 9:32 PM

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Especially about Chief, he would be a hot topic

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Like, hotter than the 2016 election hot topic

feral perch Dec 24, 2018, 9:32 PM

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Not enough people knew what Chief had done at all

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Because again, a couple of days

quiet dock Dec 24, 2018, 9:32 PM

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“You told me there wouldn’t be any cameras”

ocean relic Dec 24, 2018, 9:33 PM

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yea but the cia doesnt go genociding russia dunnit?

quiet dock Dec 24, 2018, 9:33 PM

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It’s a parallel

feral perch Dec 24, 2018, 9:33 PM

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They went to Meridian, where they kept a low profile. None of the miners seemed to know who they were.

quiet dock Dec 24, 2018, 9:33 PM

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Doesn’t mean it’s equal

ocean relic Dec 24, 2018, 9:33 PM

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yea but you worded it as such, my bad

quiet dock Dec 24, 2018, 9:34 PM

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It’s meant to be a warning of sorts with the social commentary

feral perch Dec 24, 2018, 9:34 PM

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It would have been so much more efficient and intelligent to just cover up Chief's little AWOL, and wait and see. ONI of all organizations should be able to manage that

ocean relic Dec 24, 2018, 9:35 PM

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chief? awol?

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when?

feral perch Dec 24, 2018, 9:35 PM

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Almost makes you think HtT was compared for a completely different...

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Dude, go watch a complete walkthrough of Halo 5 on YouTube @ocean relic

ocean relic Dec 24, 2018, 9:36 PM

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that would take too long wouldnt it?

quiet dock Dec 24, 2018, 9:36 PM

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Is HTT at the same time as H5?

feral perch Dec 24, 2018, 9:36 PM

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Yes?

quiet dock Dec 24, 2018, 9:36 PM

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I thought they were separate times

feral perch Dec 24, 2018, 9:37 PM

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@ocean relic You don't have to watch it all at once. You can watch bits at a time.

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Or do you have any way of playing Halo 5?

ocean relic Dec 24, 2018, 9:37 PM

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o yea lol

gilded mason Dec 24, 2018, 9:37 PM

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AWOL Abridged:
Infinity: We'll handle this Cortana thingy, John.
John: Nah, I'm gonna check it out first.

ocean relic Dec 24, 2018, 9:37 PM

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nah

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thanks now i dont have to watch this "campaign"

feral perch Dec 24, 2018, 9:38 PM

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are you a troll

quiet dock Dec 24, 2018, 9:38 PM

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?

ocean relic Dec 24, 2018, 9:38 PM

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me?

feral perch Dec 24, 2018, 9:39 PM

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most of the time when people come in and don't seem to have a clue about the latest installment's events, or terms like campaign

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they're trolling

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I'm just cynical I guess

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Merry Christmas

ocean relic Dec 24, 2018, 9:41 PM

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nah, i never played halo 5

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prolly never will, too

feral perch Dec 24, 2018, 9:41 PM

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you're not missing much as far as campaign goes, I guess

ocean relic Dec 24, 2018, 9:42 PM

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ok, going back to lore discussion: what ever happened to the gravemind?

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after halo 3 i mean

feral perch Dec 24, 2018, 9:43 PM

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He ded

ocean relic Dec 24, 2018, 9:43 PM

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o rly?

feral perch Dec 24, 2018, 9:43 PM

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but he tried to come back in Halo Wars 2

ocean relic Dec 24, 2018, 9:43 PM

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huh

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ye but ma boi atty took care of it dinnit he?

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atty as in atriox

gilded mason Dec 24, 2018, 9:44 PM

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Maybe. The cutscene ends before he does anything.

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Maybe he dies immediately afterwards.

ocean relic Dec 24, 2018, 9:44 PM

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welp, i gotta go to sleep, cya tomm

severe elbow Dec 24, 2018, 10:09 PM

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It wasn't Atriox. His subordinates, Pavium and Voridus, the latter of whom was responsible for releasing the Flood in the first place, were able to push back the infection by reinstating the Sentinel defenses.

last anchor Dec 24, 2018, 10:09 PM

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At rather intense cost to the Banished forces to bood

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boot

severe elbow Dec 24, 2018, 10:11 PM

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It's kind of like Transformers Prime, if anyone's watched that. Starscream, experimenting with Dark and Synthetic Energon, accidentally unleashes zombified Decepticons that ravage the Decepticon forces more than the Autobots ever do, contributing to the Autobots' victory in the end.

gilded mason Dec 24, 2018, 10:11 PM

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My favorite of the Transformers shows.

severe elbow Dec 24, 2018, 10:11 PM

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Eyup.

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I really love Armada, but I'm sure it won't stand up to a rewatch. :/

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Though it did have the best version of Starscream.

quiet dock Dec 24, 2018, 10:20 PM

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Prime was my childhood

severe elbow Dec 24, 2018, 10:21 PM

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Then I am much older than you, lol.

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Armada was mine. Spent a lot of middle school days coming home to watch it.

quiet dock Dec 24, 2018, 10:24 PM

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Well I take it back

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Cybertron was what I actually grew up with

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But Prime was what brought me back

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I actually have the entire disk set of Cybertron

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I adored Starscream in that show, he was relentless and refused to quit and held his own to the very end

versed helm Dec 24, 2018, 11:04 PM

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Remember that canceled Halo MMO?

vague scroll Dec 24, 2018, 11:26 PM

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Project Titan.

unique rune Dec 24, 2018, 11:28 PM

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~~Sure wish I didn't remember it.~~

severe elbow Dec 24, 2018, 11:31 PM

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Man, the landscape of the lore would be totally different if it happened.

versed helm Dec 25, 2018, 1:49 AM

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Do Spartans get stronger if they work out, and do they lose muscles mass if they don’t?

modest marsh Dec 25, 2018, 2:35 AM

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I mean, that’s how muscles work

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The field guide specifically mentions workout routines and such to foster their physicality

versed helm Dec 25, 2018, 2:54 AM

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By using hydraullic platforms for multiplayer maps, of all things.

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Also, I wonder if Spartan/ODST visors have a variant made of Aluminium Oxynitride, a transparent metal. Or something like that, anyway.

modest marsh Dec 25, 2018, 2:56 AM

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That’s the most obvious modern equivalent, but who knows

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It’s definitely some type of metal or metalloid, perhaps even a composite of a variety of materials

versed helm Dec 25, 2018, 3:00 AM

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I think it depends on the model and permutations. Halo Wars 2 showed it as very glass-like in it's malleability, though Reach showed that Emile clearly had some form of a metallic faceplate

modest marsh Dec 25, 2018, 3:03 AM

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I struggle to think how even the base model visors can be “lifted” like a motorcycle helmet’s

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Both Nylund and Denning’s novels mention this

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But like

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There’s no room for it to go

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I would really like the depolarization from ODST to come back though

versed helm Dec 25, 2018, 3:12 AM

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Agreed. I liked that polarising effect that game brought in. Nightfall and New Blood also have ODST visors "lifting"

woeful egret Dec 25, 2018, 7:38 AM

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How many gigs of storage would I need to in my brain to know all lore of the Halo universe ? 💀

quiet dock Dec 25, 2018, 7:40 AM

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Not enough

woeful egret Dec 25, 2018, 7:41 AM

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Lol

last anchor Dec 25, 2018, 7:42 AM

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No worries there mate, Halopedia exists XD

woeful egret Dec 25, 2018, 7:46 AM

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😂might as well have a subject on it in school😂

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I'm lying ^

last anchor Dec 25, 2018, 8:00 AM

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Heh

charred flower Dec 25, 2018, 8:05 AM

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Started reading Bad Blood a few minutes ago

quiet dock Dec 25, 2018, 8:05 AM

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Dedicate your mind to it lol

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Don’t tell us you’re reading it lol

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Also spoilers for others

charred flower Dec 25, 2018, 8:06 AM

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dont tell Im reading? wut

quiet dock Dec 25, 2018, 8:07 AM

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Lol put your phone down and read

charred flower Dec 25, 2018, 8:07 AM

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Im not on my phone

quiet dock Dec 25, 2018, 8:07 AM

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walk away from your PC

charred flower Dec 25, 2018, 8:07 AM

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there ya go

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maybe

quiet dock Dec 25, 2018, 8:08 AM

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If you’re flipping between reading and discord/social media

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You’re doing yourself a disservice tbh

versed helm Dec 25, 2018, 8:39 AM

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Guys

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I just woke up but I'm not yet cognizant enough to know if this should be obvious or not. Is it canon that SGT. Johnson is alive in HW2 because of his dlc?

carmine sleet Dec 25, 2018, 8:40 AM

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No, it is not canon, he's still dead

versed helm Dec 25, 2018, 8:41 AM

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Thanks. I can go back to sleep now. Merry Christmas.

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Merry Christmas, Karolus!

quiet dock Dec 25, 2018, 8:55 AM

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Thanks for the laugh lol

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Merry Christmas ya filthy brutes

vivid dust Dec 25, 2018, 10:52 AM

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@wispy bough just want to let you know that I got New Blood for Christmas so I can experience that GLORIOUS Mickey betrayal by myself

wispy bough Dec 25, 2018, 10:54 AM

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Lmao

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Enjoy!

vivid dust Dec 25, 2018, 10:56 AM

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Going through Warfleet rn

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Also merry Christmas

wispy bough Dec 25, 2018, 10:59 AM

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You too friend.

narrow wadi Dec 25, 2018, 12:09 PM

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I got bad blood for Christmas too

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I’m waiting to get New Blood before I read it

boreal bane Dec 25, 2018, 12:55 PM

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I also got New Blood haha

vivid dust Dec 25, 2018, 1:49 PM

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I also got Mythos

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Them artworks

versed helm Dec 25, 2018, 4:54 PM

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Remember the Halo 4 map Abandon?

obsidian thistle Dec 25, 2018, 4:58 PM

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Yep. Erebus VII.

versed helm Dec 25, 2018, 5:16 PM

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I still like to know,what were those creatures in the test tubes

vague scroll Dec 25, 2018, 5:36 PM

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Erebus Unicorns.

vivid dust Dec 25, 2018, 7:00 PM

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Man Mythos’ art is so good

versed helm Dec 25, 2018, 9:18 PM

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Yep

fair hazel Dec 26, 2018, 5:02 AM

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so many people gettinf halo books and stuff for christmas yay

last anchor Dec 26, 2018, 5:13 AM

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I got Bad Blood. Second copy of it XD

versed helm Dec 26, 2018, 5:16 AM

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I had an assassins creed Christmas

tall tapir Dec 26, 2018, 6:25 AM

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I didn't get anything halo related this year

severe elbow Dec 26, 2018, 6:27 AM

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Same, just because I already have pretty much everything.

spiral jewel Dec 26, 2018, 6:53 AM

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Continuity wise, I wonder why the Type 31 Needle Rifle hasn't appeared in any game aside from Reach, the game it was introduced in, however it's appeared in numerous books Since

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 7:01 AM

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Because game balance.

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We already have 3 medium range precision weapons in the regular sandbox: DMR, BR, and Covenant Carbine.

remote spruce Dec 26, 2018, 7:02 AM

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Needle riflw from a gameplay standpoint is kinda....not so good

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 7:02 AM

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Adding one that makes you explode is going to be questionable...

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Either it could be overpowered or a very niche weapon.

remote spruce Dec 26, 2018, 7:03 AM

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It encourages more spamming but unlike the carbine 3 body shots to unshielded body is insta supercombine

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 7:04 AM

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It might be a fun gun in specific arenas but it's not something you want running around in the lieu of a DMR or BR-type weapon. Might as well be a type of power weapon.

last anchor Dec 26, 2018, 7:06 AM

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It basically is. Its called the BLood of Suban

remote spruce Dec 26, 2018, 7:06 AM

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In other words the lore explanation would probably be "they ran out of needle rifles"

ocean relic Dec 26, 2018, 7:07 AM

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or they phased it out, that works too

last anchor Dec 26, 2018, 7:07 AM

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I mean considering that the Blood basically does the same thign and uses like 80% identical parts ot a Carbine...

modest marsh Dec 26, 2018, 7:07 AM

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Unbalanced weaponry fit in Halo’s sandbox just fine, as evidenced by Halo 5

remote spruce Dec 26, 2018, 7:08 AM

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Lore wise the "new" beam rifle is an outdated model

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 7:08 AM

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the proliferation of Needlers weakens the running out argument due to the similarity in design and application.

modest marsh Dec 26, 2018, 7:08 AM

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Reintroducing the Needle Rifle doesn’t have any perceptible drawbacks

last anchor Dec 26, 2018, 7:09 AM

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Make the BLood of Suban a Needle Rifle model XD

modest marsh Dec 26, 2018, 7:09 AM

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If anything it can be considered an upgrade over the Carbine

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It’s fully automatic and has a larger magazine

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 7:09 AM

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Unbalanced weapons worked in the Halo sandbox when locked to specific scenarios is fine but there is a reason why not all Warzone weapons transitioned into Arena.

remote spruce Dec 26, 2018, 7:09 AM

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The same could be said for any Halo weapon, so fair point
Shoot where the flamethrower at I want that back too

modest marsh Dec 26, 2018, 7:10 AM

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Aren’t most Warzone weapons present in arena in some capacity?

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A lot of the forge maps have them

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 7:10 AM

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Most. Not all.

remote spruce Dec 26, 2018, 7:10 AM

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Super Fiesta if that counts?

modest marsh Dec 26, 2018, 7:10 AM

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Meh

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 7:10 AM

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And you won't see them in the arena rotation.

modest marsh Dec 26, 2018, 7:11 AM

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Whatever the case may be

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 7:11 AM

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Super fiesta is a specific scenario as I said.

modest marsh Dec 26, 2018, 7:11 AM

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There’s also the campaign to consider

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Ever since the scarab gun, I think there’s more than enough precedent for hidden “god guns” here and there to shift the tides

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And something in between that as well

remote spruce Dec 26, 2018, 7:12 AM

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Rainbow gun

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 7:12 AM

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As long as we're not fighting hit scan AI Scorpion tanks.

remote spruce Dec 26, 2018, 7:12 AM

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Plasma Rifle but it shoot insta kill rainbow beams

last anchor Dec 26, 2018, 7:13 AM

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The Scarab with "Wuv Wu" skull turned on Xd

modest marsh Dec 26, 2018, 7:13 AM

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I’m surprised there hasn’t been a lore attempt at recreating the absurdity of the scarab gun

severe elbow Dec 26, 2018, 7:14 AM

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Come across a destroyed lab where it was clear they were trying to make it and they all died.

modest marsh Dec 26, 2018, 7:14 AM

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Some Brute or Elite mods out their Plasma Rifle to the point it obliterates tanks in one hit

last anchor Dec 26, 2018, 7:14 AM

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Forerunner energy beam

remote spruce Dec 26, 2018, 7:14 AM

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Brute Shot but it shoots plasma

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~~ohwait~~

modest marsh Dec 26, 2018, 7:15 AM

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Bring back the concussion rifle

severe elbow Dec 26, 2018, 7:15 AM

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I'm honestly surprised it made it from Reach to 4.

remote spruce Dec 26, 2018, 7:15 AM

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Bouncy rifle

modest marsh Dec 26, 2018, 7:15 AM

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I don’t remember it having a depiction outside of maybe the escalation comics in the fiction?

remote spruce Dec 26, 2018, 7:16 AM

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Yeah I think just that

modest marsh Dec 26, 2018, 7:16 AM

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It’s definitely an under appreciated tool

severe elbow Dec 26, 2018, 7:16 AM

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I feel like a book mentioned it once?

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I may be imagining it.

remote spruce Dec 26, 2018, 7:17 AM

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When do we get more lore on the Albatross

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Shoot when do we drive one

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 7:18 AM

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It appeared once in the Halo Fall of Reach animated movie but that's really it. Probably won't be seeing it much else since it was a purely HCW era vehicle.

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Dem Pelican master race amirite?

remote spruce Dec 26, 2018, 7:18 AM

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Darter Master race

modest marsh Dec 26, 2018, 7:18 AM

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It’s pretty dumb honestly

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Albatross makes a lot of sense as a mass troop deployment craft

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Pelicans are more iconic and versatile but they aren’t great at moving a lot of men at once

remote spruce Dec 26, 2018, 7:20 AM

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Honestly from an in-game standpoint it looks like it carried like, 3 crates. Scale is off iirc

last anchor Dec 26, 2018, 7:20 AM

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They arent supposed to be, they're tactical airlifters

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And yeah, scales way off

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Albatross's are like, the ship one step below the Heron

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And the Heron lifts in bases

remote spruce Dec 26, 2018, 7:20 AM

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Good for taking cover when the enemy spawn camps

modest marsh Dec 26, 2018, 7:20 AM

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Pelicans are primarily used as troop transport in the games

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And occasionally vehicle and equipment delivery

remote spruce Dec 26, 2018, 7:21 AM

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Pelican carrying a Scorpion is always odd

last anchor Dec 26, 2018, 7:21 AM

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Not really, the Scorpions only 66 pounds

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Its airliftable

remote spruce Dec 26, 2018, 7:21 AM

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Like the turret has to be turned left/right or the Pelican carries it backwards

last anchor Dec 26, 2018, 7:22 AM

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Maybe...

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Hang on, wheres that scene from Halo 2?

remote spruce Dec 26, 2018, 7:22 AM

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That may just be CE though

last anchor Dec 26, 2018, 7:22 AM

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We only ever see one Scorpion being brought in via Pelcian tho right?

modest marsh Dec 26, 2018, 7:22 AM

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Pretty sure it just falls down with a forward facing turret

remote spruce Dec 26, 2018, 7:23 AM

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I think it's programmed in CE but unused unless someone mods it in

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I do like how Pelicans carry 2 mongooses

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Must be a bumpy ride though

modest marsh Dec 26, 2018, 7:24 AM

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Doesn’t seem particularly useful

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 7:24 AM

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There's concept art from HW2 of Pelicans airlifting Grizzlies on ropes

remote spruce Dec 26, 2018, 7:24 AM

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Yes and you see it in 1 cutscene

modest marsh Dec 26, 2018, 7:25 AM

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I think it goes without saying that mongeese are the least popular vehicle in the halo games

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They’re not even available in halo wars or the mobile games

last anchor Dec 26, 2018, 7:26 AM

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Mostly because they wouldnt serve a purpose

remote spruce Dec 26, 2018, 7:26 AM

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Jackrabbit master race

modest marsh Dec 26, 2018, 7:26 AM

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They generally don’t

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 7:26 AM

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Gungoose isn't a bad addition though

last anchor Dec 26, 2018, 7:26 AM

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Okay anyone else notice Jackrabbits started shwoing up IN EVERYTHING after they showed up in HW2

remote spruce Dec 26, 2018, 7:26 AM

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Mongoose was planned for HW1 but Warthog replaces it

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 7:26 AM

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And we still need the Mongoose for the race game mode anyway

last anchor Dec 26, 2018, 7:26 AM

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Like first they were in Envoy, then they were in Legacy of Onyx, then they were in Retribution...

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What the heck, how come they cant do that with the Cobra

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Why's the Jackrabbit so special all of a sudden?

modest marsh Dec 26, 2018, 7:27 AM

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Cobra is too strong

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It’s setting breaking

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 7:27 AM

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Jack rabbit is a much better scouting vehicle

remote spruce Dec 26, 2018, 7:27 AM

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Because marketing

modest marsh Dec 26, 2018, 7:27 AM

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Why would you ever not have a rail gun tank

remote spruce Dec 26, 2018, 7:28 AM

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Kodiak/foxcannon is a nerfed version

modest marsh Dec 26, 2018, 7:28 AM

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It completely delegitimizes the use of conventional tanks

last anchor Dec 26, 2018, 7:28 AM

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Also yeah the Kodiak showed up too which is nice

modest marsh Dec 26, 2018, 7:28 AM

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Which hurts the aesthetic of the UNSC

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Mainly using chemical propellant weaponry

remote spruce Dec 26, 2018, 7:28 AM

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Probably why it didn't returned

modest marsh Dec 26, 2018, 7:28 AM

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Again like

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You could put 4 of those light rail gun turrets on a scorpion, and you have basically rendered its basic cannon obsolete

last anchor Dec 26, 2018, 7:30 AM

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Im...shocked they havent done that yet really

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Or like one GIGANTIC railcannon

remote spruce Dec 26, 2018, 7:30 AM

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Those turrets are still in use.....as base turrets

modest marsh Dec 26, 2018, 7:30 AM

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Remember the sentry turrets from Halo 4?

remote spruce Dec 26, 2018, 7:31 AM

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Dominion bait

modest marsh Dec 26, 2018, 7:31 AM

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Put that on an armored vehicle for god’s sake

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It had an EMP weapon iirc

remote spruce Dec 26, 2018, 7:32 AM

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Shoot put that on a Cyclops and have it run around

last anchor Dec 26, 2018, 7:32 AM

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That would be amazing

remote spruce Dec 26, 2018, 7:33 AM

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I mean the Shock Rounds upgrade shows that a Cyclops can have upgraded weapons

modest marsh Dec 26, 2018, 7:33 AM

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I’m somewhat curious why there aren’t any “support” vehicles in the main series games like there are in Halo Wars

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Like the gremlin

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Something who’s job is to just keep the enemy’s vehicles from working properly

last anchor Dec 26, 2018, 7:34 AM

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Sandbox stuff most likely

remote spruce Dec 26, 2018, 7:34 AM

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Mainly due to the not so ease of use in gameplay
Rocket Hog appears over the Wolverine because Warthog is easy to put in a map

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Wolverine is better at AA though

modest marsh Dec 26, 2018, 7:35 AM

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A Wolverine can only really do AA though

remote spruce Dec 26, 2018, 7:36 AM

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Unless you count the grenade launcher (don't count it)

modest marsh Dec 26, 2018, 7:36 AM

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Doesn’t seem fair

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 7:36 AM

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Lore does not subsudize appearances in gameplay.

Gameplay always comes first. They build the lore around that afterwards.

remote spruce Dec 26, 2018, 7:36 AM

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Where my grizzly at

modest marsh Dec 26, 2018, 7:37 AM

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No, however you can create interesting toys using stuff from the lore

remote spruce Dec 26, 2018, 7:37 AM

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Shroud is awesome

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A vehicle that blocks enemy projectiles and has a cloak area

last anchor Dec 26, 2018, 7:41 AM

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Would be interesting to fight that FPS

versed helm Dec 26, 2018, 9:14 AM

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“Thanks,” Lopis said. “You’re a prince. Really.”
Fred felt the heat rise to his cheeks and looked away.
“Just doing my job, Inspector,” he said. “Same as you.”

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Based Troy

cyan kraken Dec 26, 2018, 2:43 PM

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I would be interested to see the first person view of vehicles from both Halo Wars games.

obsidian thistle Dec 26, 2018, 3:14 PM

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I'd assume the Locust is similar to the Banshee

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Just with the Halo Wars 2 one having added Lekgolo inside

versed helm Dec 26, 2018, 5:06 PM

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Anyone else besides me thinks that the Anlace-class frigate looks kind of ugly?

obsidian thistle Dec 26, 2018, 5:20 PM

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I think its rather cool

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 5:23 PM

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I'm more of a Strident/Paris guy myself but I don't have anything particularly against the Anlace.

versed helm Dec 26, 2018, 5:29 PM

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i've played halo combat evolved... and i have not understood a thing...

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If Halo doesnt kill the flood, but destroys the universe to starve them... why the flood have to be killed? i mean, i wanna kill a parasite 'cause it's dangerous (for someone), but if i kill everyone to kill them... just why? ahhaah

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 5:29 PM

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It kills the Flood's food source in the galaxy, not the Universe.

versed helm Dec 26, 2018, 5:30 PM

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so everyone

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 5:30 PM

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And it does do damage to the Flood

feral perch Dec 26, 2018, 5:30 PM

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Either the Flood starve or take over the Galaxy.

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Pick your poison.

versed helm Dec 26, 2018, 5:30 PM

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oh... so the galaxy has destinated to be killed?

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 5:30 PM

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@versed helm You're better off reading about the Forerunner-Flood War to truly understand why the Flood and everything it consumes cannot be allowed to exist.

versed helm Dec 26, 2018, 5:31 PM

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what is that?

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 5:31 PM

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The game specifically says the galaxy.

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The Forerunners and Flood fought a galactic war for centuries.

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100,000 years before Halo CE.

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And then some.

feral perch Dec 26, 2018, 5:32 PM

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But in Halo's lore, species were put on an Installation outside the galaxy called "The Ark" and reseeded back into the galaxy after the Halos were fired

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 5:33 PM

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Essentially @versed helm the Flood at its most dangerous can fundamentally change the laws of physics with its brain power alone.

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Referred to as "Neural Physics"

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During the Flood-Forerunner War, the Flood consumed most life in the galaxy adding to its own brain power.

feral perch Dec 26, 2018, 5:35 PM

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there's a LOT to explain in this fictional universe

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it's easier if you play the games but there's Halopedia too

versed helm Dec 26, 2018, 5:35 PM

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@feral perch i've not a console grrr

feral perch Dec 26, 2018, 5:36 PM

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I see.

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 5:36 PM

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It's a zombie apocalypse coordinated by a hyper central intelligence wit the capability to absorb all the knowledge and memories of its victims, convert AIs and sapient creatures to its cause through verbal language, shut down Slipspace/FTL technology through manipulating of the laws of physics, seeks to absorb all life into itself, and can take control of an enemy civilizations' defenses, ships, etc.

feral perch Dec 26, 2018, 5:36 PM

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There's always YouTube walkthroughs @versed helm

versed helm Dec 26, 2018, 5:36 PM

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@vague scroll so, or i kill myself, or the flood kill myself, right?

feral perch Dec 26, 2018, 5:37 PM

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welllllll

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 5:37 PM

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they can reanimate the dead

feral perch Dec 26, 2018, 5:37 PM

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that's the worst case scenario

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 5:37 PM

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your body and mind are still at the Flood's mercy even if you commit suicide

feral perch Dec 26, 2018, 5:37 PM

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ideally you stamp out the infection in its feral phase, as Chief did with the Flood in Halo 1

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But if it's a Gravemind? Well, even firing a Halo ring directly at it may not completely destroy the infection.

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 5:38 PM

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@feral perch Reminder: Gravemind wasn't a term until Halo 2. Not sure if our friend here knows what that is

feral perch Dec 26, 2018, 5:38 PM

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I realize that, but I'm not sure it can be avoided

versed helm Dec 26, 2018, 5:39 PM

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nop i dont know what that is ahah

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 5:39 PM

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just a recommendation to explain all the basic terms when you mention them is all

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The Gravemind is the central Flood intelligence

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It goes through stages of development but its the base personality of the Flood organism and can have multiple versions of itself at one time

versed helm Dec 26, 2018, 5:40 PM

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ok but the problem is: there is no possibility for the humanity (and covenant too) to live?

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 5:40 PM

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nope

versed helm Dec 26, 2018, 5:40 PM

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ah

feral perch Dec 26, 2018, 5:41 PM

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well

versed helm Dec 26, 2018, 5:41 PM

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or they" kill themselves " to kill the flood or the flood kill them right?

feral perch Dec 26, 2018, 5:41 PM

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that's not entirely true

spiral jewel Dec 26, 2018, 5:41 PM

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This might sound crazy, however On a omniversal level... I genuinely think that the Cybermen, Daleks and maybe the Cybertronians could do tremendous damage to the Flood.

feral perch Dec 26, 2018, 5:41 PM

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as Halo 2 and Halo 3 show

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 5:41 PM

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@feral perch For simplicity's sake, if they don't kill the Flood, it will destroy everything

feral perch Dec 26, 2018, 5:41 PM

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Oh wow, that is a cool idea. Fellow Whovian?

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 5:41 PM

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let's not get specific about it

feral perch Dec 26, 2018, 5:42 PM

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...

spiral jewel Dec 26, 2018, 5:42 PM

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@feral perch and Transformers

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 5:42 PM

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I mean the Halo 2/Halo 3 thing

feral perch Dec 26, 2018, 5:42 PM

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eh maybe not Transformers

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but Daleks, that could definitely threaten the Flood. And the Covenant, for sure.

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What a fascinating match up that would be.

spiral jewel Dec 26, 2018, 5:43 PM

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The only thing the Flood could really do to the Cybertronians is the Logic plague... That I can think of..

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 5:43 PM

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The Flood isn't a very dangerous threat in the feral stage, pretty much like any other lifeform, its when it reaches it Coordinated state that it becomes a galactic threat

brittle gorge Dec 26, 2018, 5:43 PM

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I could see the transformers becoming infected with the logic plague. Maybe Daleks and Cybermen too, I dunno much about them to determine

feral perch Dec 26, 2018, 5:44 PM

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I suppose that depends on what you term "very dangerous." If you do what the Covies did and release the infection, then it's pretty dangerous

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 5:44 PM

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That said, when it reaches the galactic or intergalactic stage, the Flood is probably more powerful than any science fiction group that we can think of with exception to other fictional groups of a similar nature.

feral perch Dec 26, 2018, 5:44 PM

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Daleks do have an organic component inside, as do Cybermen

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But do Dalek mutants have central nervous systems?

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I'm not sure...

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 5:44 PM

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Doesn't matter if they have a central nervous system tbh

feral perch Dec 26, 2018, 5:45 PM

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For direct infection, it does.

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 5:45 PM

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since Flood supercells will consume any organic material given time

spiral jewel Dec 26, 2018, 5:45 PM

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the Daleks Don't have nervous system from what I know.

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 5:45 PM

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Well yeah for direct infection

brittle gorge Dec 26, 2018, 5:45 PM

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Only reason I'd want to see a dalek v flood match is to hear "Exterminate"

feral perch Dec 26, 2018, 5:45 PM

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Sergeant Johnson survived because his nervous system was on the fritz.

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 5:45 PM

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but anything organic is susceptible

feral perch Dec 26, 2018, 5:45 PM

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Yeah.

spiral jewel Dec 26, 2018, 5:46 PM

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TBH, I'd love to see a canon Halo/Doctor Who crossover

feral perch Dec 26, 2018, 5:46 PM

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the TARDIS materializing on a Halo ring

versed helm Dec 26, 2018, 5:46 PM

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i'm not understanding a thing hahaah

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 5:46 PM

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Hard to see how Halo and Doctor Who could fit

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@versed helm What can I say that will make it easier to explain?

versed helm Dec 26, 2018, 5:47 PM

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the thing that i have no understood is: there is a possibility for the other races of the universe to survive? or they have to "kill themselves" to kill the flood absolutely?

feral perch Dec 26, 2018, 5:47 PM

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It'd be fairly easy for them to have an adventure on a Halo ring by having it be a parallel universe to Doctor Who's

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 5:47 PM

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@versed helm I think you need to get the idea of the Unvierse out of your mind, Halo only takes place in the Milky Way Galaxy as far as we currently know.

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And no, I'm not going to refer to the extra-galactic stuff guys.

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That's too complicated.

feral perch Dec 26, 2018, 5:48 PM

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They have to "commit galactic suicide"

versed helm Dec 26, 2018, 5:48 PM

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ok the, there is a possibility for the other races of the galaxy to survive?

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@feral perch no alternatives?

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 5:48 PM

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There were other plans that were tried and considered but ultimately would not work.

feral perch Dec 26, 2018, 5:48 PM

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Well, 343 Guilty Spark speculated about the existence of a cure for the Flood. Hypothetically, you could cure the Flood. But no cure has ever been discovered.

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Besides being composed, but that's another story.

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 5:49 PM

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The Didact in Halo 4 wanted to turn the Humans and potentially other species into combat AIs so he could have them fight the Flood.

feral perch Dec 26, 2018, 5:49 PM

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I'm sure she doesn't know who the Didact is.

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 5:49 PM

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The Didact also tried building planet-sized fallout shelters called Shield Worlds but those ultimately failed because the Flood got in.

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Didact: Military Leader of the Forerunners

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good call

feral perch Dec 26, 2018, 5:50 PM

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I still don't know why the Flood were on the Etran Harborage.

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It makes no sense.

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 5:51 PM

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It's just one of those things that can't be explained. That said, shield worlds are shielded against the Halo array.

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The Flood probably attacked the shield world in ancient times, got inside but the Halos were fired mid-invasion and it was forced back to the Feral stage.

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Thus, its just been stuck there ever since.

feral perch Dec 26, 2018, 5:52 PM

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That makes sense.

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Well, got on the surface at least. They didn't get inside until Spirit of Fire entered the internal workings, right?

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 5:52 PM

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It explains why the Flood was converting the environment there and why most of its combat forms not including the Covenant or the Humans were local wildlife.

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No, they were there long before I believe.

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The surface of Shield Worlds should not be shielded against the Halo Array so the only way the Flood could have been there is if it got under the surface first.

feral perch Dec 26, 2018, 5:54 PM

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Well, it doesn't directly kill the Flood though, just starves them.

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But why weren't the inner workings as heavily infested and contaminated as the surface?

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 5:55 PM

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it still damages organic biomass so the Flood is susceptible, not entirely, but still susceptible.

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@feral perch Well, if the Flood infestation was only beginning, it would only be able to get below the most surface levels of the shield world

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Shield Worlds have multiple inner layers

feral perch Dec 26, 2018, 5:57 PM

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Sure. So, when I said that they weren't in the interior until the Spirit of Fire went through, that is still correct.

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 5:57 PM

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yeah

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to some degree

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They never got to the Apex where the Forerunner Fleet was stored

feral perch Dec 26, 2018, 5:57 PM

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Shield Worlds are the most convoluted Forerunner structures methinks

versed helm Dec 26, 2018, 6:02 PM

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Ya learn something new everyday

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Honestly didn’t know shield worlds were protected from the halo arrays, that’s amazing..

cyan kraken Dec 26, 2018, 6:03 PM

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Some of them served their purpose. Some....not.

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 6:04 PM

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Huh, checking back with Halopedia - there were different classes of shield world so some do protect against the Halo Array, others do not.

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The one that did is referred to as a "conservation sphere".

cyan kraken Dec 26, 2018, 6:05 PM

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There were some that had a couple of roles instead of just one.

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 6:06 PM

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True

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Requiem was a command combat center.

cyan kraken Dec 26, 2018, 6:06 PM

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Look at Etran Harbourage. It was supposed to be a mix of a conservation facility and fortress world.

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 6:07 PM

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Requiem was not shielded against the Halos for example.

versed helm Dec 26, 2018, 6:07 PM

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Since were on that subject, at end of the halo 3 legendary ending.. you can see the ship wreckage drifting towards requiem, was there any plans for halo 4 to be carried out by bungie? Or did they purposely lay the premise out for 343i and they just picked up where they left off? Cause it was my understanding that reach was always the intended final chapter for them

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 6:07 PM

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Isolated Bungie employees probably did some initial thoughts on Halo 4 but it was never in their plan. When Halo Reach came out, it was over.

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Bungie never intended to make Halo a trilogy.

cyan kraken Dec 26, 2018, 6:08 PM

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However, it's hard to tell, if the ideas for Requiem were already thought up by Halo 3.

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 6:08 PM

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Microsoft's contract with them was ultimately what led to the series.

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We don't know what Requiem originally was intended, however, we have reason to believe the world in the Halo 3 legendary ending was some kind of civilized world. It had some Forerunner glyphs on its surface last time I checked.

versed helm Dec 26, 2018, 6:10 PM

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Have any of the isolated bungie employees ever came out and talked about what their intentions were behind that ending?

cyan kraken Dec 26, 2018, 6:10 PM

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Not to my knowledge.

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 6:10 PM

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Bungie had no say or involvement with Halo 4's development in any way with maybe the exception that some upper level management from Bungie stuck around with 343i.

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Like 6 or so employees from Bungie stuck with 343, its was a very miniscule group.

cyan kraken Dec 26, 2018, 6:11 PM

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Most left after a while. (If my memory serves me correctly)

versed helm Dec 26, 2018, 6:11 PM

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Anyone of major importance?

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 6:11 PM

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Not that I can think of.

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Frankie actually

versed helm Dec 26, 2018, 6:11 PM

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Oh okay

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As in O’Connor?

cyan kraken Dec 26, 2018, 6:12 PM

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Yep.

versed helm Dec 26, 2018, 6:12 PM

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Haha that’s a pretty major person

cyan kraken Dec 26, 2018, 6:13 PM

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You don't say!

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 6:15 PM

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Checking Halopedia, there was also Christopher Schlerf who was a Senior Writer back in 2013, and Vic DeLeon who worked as Lead Mission Artist up to 2015 but both took off.

versed helm Dec 26, 2018, 6:16 PM

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Is Infinite is drawing inspiration and creativity from the classic halo trilogy?

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 6:16 PM

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a bit

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343i wants to call back to the earlier parts of the franchise

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particularly elements of exploration and mystery that defined Halo: CE

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as well as art and music and design features similar to Halo 3

cyan kraken Dec 26, 2018, 6:17 PM

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Artstyle -wise, it seems to be in the same vein as Halo Wars 2's.

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 6:17 PM

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but its not their central pillar

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if anything Halo Infinite looks like a amalgamation of the new and old, trying to bring the two visions closer together than ever before

versed helm Dec 26, 2018, 6:18 PM

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Are any former bungie employees being brought back into the fold?

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 6:18 PM

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I doubt it

cyan kraken Dec 26, 2018, 6:18 PM

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Don't think so.

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 6:19 PM

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And even if they are, it has nothing to do with motivating the change, this was all 343i's intention. This is their own beast, based on their experiences in the last few games and from fan feedback.

versed helm Dec 26, 2018, 6:20 PM

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Ofcourse, but do you personally think some consultation or any kind of advisement from said bungie employees could best help replicate the “feel” of the original games?

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 6:20 PM

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There is this nice piece of concept art they showed off during a Mixer livestream last month where they broke down the design process and design mentalities they used for designing the Halo Infinite trailer. The art piece showed the blending of the Mk.VI helmet between the version in Halo 5 and Halo 3 to become the one we got.

versed helm Dec 26, 2018, 6:21 PM

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Yeah I saw parts of that stream then watched the hidden xperia break down of it

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 6:22 PM

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I don't think their goal is to replicate the feel. To do so is to go backwards, while they're pushing the series forward in their own way, they're doing a call back, this isn't going to be Halo 3, 2.0 edition.

cyan kraken Dec 26, 2018, 6:23 PM

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They're trying to do something new, with parts of the old.

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(At least, I think).

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 6:23 PM

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That's my understanding as well.

versed helm Dec 26, 2018, 6:23 PM

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Yeah that’s the way I think of it

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wasn’t exactly looking for a remaster

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 6:23 PM

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This kind of artstyle they've been doing since Halo: Spartan Assault.

versed helm Dec 26, 2018, 6:23 PM

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Poor choice of words on my end I guess

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 6:23 PM

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I misread it, yeah.

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But the games serve to mix old and new, bringing lots of old designs and putting them together with the new.

versed helm Dec 26, 2018, 6:24 PM

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Classic elite design comes to mind

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Forerunner architecture on the other hand as well but that’s wishful thinking since I personally think the two art styles contrast so much

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 6:25 PM

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The Forerunner structures in the game trailer are very reminiscent of Halo 5 as is the Battle rifles and warthog. The Chief helmet channels a very Halo 3 vibe as does the music. And the overall environment is more a call back to Halo CE with the wide open spaces and vast environments.

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Oh and the Marines use very Halo Reach-like BDUs.

versed helm Dec 26, 2018, 6:28 PM

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I think they look a little bit more like the models in halo wars
But yeah halo CE was the best to do it, just the aura of the game was so mysterious

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I’ve heard he game will reward you for exploring

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 6:29 PM

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that's the word on the street

cyan kraken Dec 26, 2018, 6:36 PM

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Yeah, the models in general look a lot like the HW2's UNSC models.

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(Which, in my opinion, were the best in the series).

versed helm Dec 26, 2018, 6:46 PM

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I really like that brown halo ce outfit

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It was unique

cyan kraken Dec 26, 2018, 7:11 PM

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As in, the Marine's suit?

versed helm Dec 26, 2018, 7:14 PM

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Yeah

cyan kraken Dec 26, 2018, 7:51 PM

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Well, it's still exists in-universe alongside the 'normal' Marine outfit from 2 or 3, it's just that it's the armour that Army troops where.

obsidian thistle Dec 26, 2018, 8:01 PM

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Jenkins wore the CE armor

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He is the only character 100% safe atm wearing it lol

ocean relic Dec 26, 2018, 8:35 PM

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speaking of equipment, why hasnt humanity evolved past ballistic firearms? i mean, cant they just reverese engineer covenant weapons?

gilded mason Dec 26, 2018, 8:35 PM

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Gameplay reasons.

ocean relic Dec 26, 2018, 8:37 PM

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ok, ignoring all gameplay, strictly talking lore?

unique rune Dec 26, 2018, 8:37 PM

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They kinda tried once, with the Rhino tank.

Otherwise, why fix what isn’t broken?

ocean relic Dec 26, 2018, 8:39 PM

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the technology is heavily outdated, they got pummled in the human-covenant war, and they most likely wouldve lost if the johnny boy didnt destroy the wedding ring

unique rune Dec 26, 2018, 8:41 PM

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure ground conflicts between the UNSC and Covenant tended to be fairly evenly matched... it was only in space that there was a significant disparity, in no small part due to Covenant ships possessing energy shielding.

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 8:41 PM

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The Halo ring really didn't play into the Covenant's defeat.

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And ballistic weapons still have merits over plasma.

gilded mason Dec 26, 2018, 8:42 PM

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure ground conflicts between the UNSC and Covenant tended to be fairly evenly matched
Actually, I think it was mentioned in the Flood that the Covenant won most ground battles as well, with the exception of ground battles that had Spartans.

unique rune Dec 26, 2018, 8:42 PM

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Hm.

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Sounds about accurate...

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 8:44 PM

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There are exceptions like the stalling action on Meridian where the UNSC Air Force and UNSC Navy ODPs held off Covenant attacks on and off for straight three years

ocean relic Dec 26, 2018, 8:44 PM

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the covenant fleet followed the pillar of autmn to installation 04, didnt they?

gilded mason Dec 26, 2018, 8:44 PM

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Yes

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 8:44 PM

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they actually got there first

ocean relic Dec 26, 2018, 8:45 PM

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huh?

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they did?

modest marsh Dec 26, 2018, 8:45 PM

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UNSC forces are generally more efficient than Covenant, but you also gotta remember they deploy troops in the tens of thousands

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 8:45 PM

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the Covenant beat the PoA to I04

gilded mason Dec 26, 2018, 8:45 PM

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They tracked where they'd pop up and headed them off.

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 8:45 PM

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^

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as Cortana says, "No one could have missed the hole we tore through slipspace"

modest marsh Dec 26, 2018, 8:45 PM

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The sheer volume of their combatants overwhelms a lesser force

ocean relic Dec 26, 2018, 8:46 PM

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whos the lesser force?

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 8:46 PM

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UNSC

ocean relic Dec 26, 2018, 8:46 PM

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oh yea

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 8:46 PM

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even then, the UNSC was always on the backfoot

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even when outnumbered, they were also out-equipped, out-technologized

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Covenant had more reasons to win against the UNSC

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the only reason why the war was so long was the UNSC's stalling efforts like the Cole Protocol

gilded mason Dec 26, 2018, 8:48 PM

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And apparently there were those in the Covenant that didn't want them to find Earth, as an in-universe hypothesis.

modest marsh Dec 26, 2018, 8:48 PM

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The Covenant tends to bite themselves in the butt because of dogma

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Like the Ghost deliberately providing the driver with minimal rear protection

ocean relic Dec 26, 2018, 8:49 PM

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if only they werent so fanatical

gilded mason Dec 26, 2018, 8:49 PM

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The Ghost thingh always felt more like a gameplay reason, like the warthog.

modest marsh Dec 26, 2018, 8:50 PM

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I mean of course

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But it’s also given a lore acknowledgment

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Just look at the waypoint page

ocean relic Dec 26, 2018, 8:51 PM

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so, what is the answer to the question: "why doesnt humanity phase out ballistic firearms?" (disregarding gameplay reasons)

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 8:52 PM

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its tried and true, no reason to break from what's always worked

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especially when they can improve on it

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ignoring gameplay, the ballistic weapons in Halo are technologically more advanced then ours

ocean relic Dec 26, 2018, 8:54 PM

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how?

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 8:54 PM

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UNSC weapons fire straight and without failure in a vacuum

ocean relic Dec 26, 2018, 8:55 PM

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how often does that come up?

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 8:55 PM

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in a civilization built in space, it comes up a lot

ocean relic Dec 26, 2018, 8:56 PM

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but the unsc use mac cannons in space dont they?

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 8:56 PM

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MACs aren't chemically propelled

ocean relic Dec 26, 2018, 8:56 PM

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yea i know

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 8:56 PM

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the UNSC's small arms are chemical based

ocean relic Dec 26, 2018, 8:56 PM

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but why use ballistics in space when you have MACs?

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 8:57 PM

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because MACs are not a technology that can be miniturized to that degree

fair hazel Dec 26, 2018, 8:57 PM

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Think about costs..

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 8:57 PM

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it can take minutes to recharge a MAC round

fair hazel Dec 26, 2018, 8:57 PM

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A powerpack that costs quite a lot

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or, a cheap chemical propellant

ocean relic Dec 26, 2018, 8:57 PM

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wait, are you talking about troop combat or ship combat?

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 8:57 PM

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The ARC-920 railgun in itself is a revolution in miniaturized railgun tech

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troop combat

ocean relic Dec 26, 2018, 8:57 PM

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ooooh ok

fair hazel Dec 26, 2018, 8:58 PM

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And ship combat, they do use coilguns

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 8:58 PM

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^

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CIWS on UNSC ships are all coil guns

ocean relic Dec 26, 2018, 8:58 PM

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CIWS?

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 8:58 PM

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close-in weapon system

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military acronym

ocean relic Dec 26, 2018, 8:59 PM

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yea i know its an aracnanym

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 8:59 PM

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refers to a type of machine gun used against aircraft or missiles

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you asked, I was just answering

ocean relic Dec 26, 2018, 8:59 PM

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i know its an acronym, i wanted to know what it was, my bad?

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 8:59 PM

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np

ocean relic Dec 26, 2018, 9:00 PM

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so MACs are for mid to long ranges, and CIWS(s?) are for close range?

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 9:00 PM

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yep

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MACs and missiles are used for ship to ship combat, CIWS-type coilguns are used for anti-fighter/missile combat.

ocean relic Dec 26, 2018, 9:01 PM

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oh ok

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is humanity at war with anything right now?

unique rune Dec 26, 2018, 9:03 PM

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the Created

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Covenant remnants

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sort of each other

ocean relic Dec 26, 2018, 9:03 PM

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bro the created are ezpz just format the hard drive boom done

unique rune Dec 26, 2018, 9:03 PM

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....Sure.

ocean relic Dec 26, 2018, 9:04 PM

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just delete system32

carmine sleet Dec 26, 2018, 9:05 PM

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Pretty sure that it's way past formating hard drives being the solution to the Created

ocean relic Dec 26, 2018, 9:06 PM

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youre right....

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just unplug them lol

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 9:16 PM

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AIs can't be unplugged.

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As funny as that joke was.

ocean relic Dec 26, 2018, 9:22 PM

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in all seriousness, what do you guys think is the best way to defeat or atleast weaken the created?

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 9:32 PM

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A new form of galactic guerilla warfare.

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And give me a couple of my NOVA bomb-tipped slipspace missiles, then we can start giving Cortana the cold shivers.

fair hazel Dec 26, 2018, 9:34 PM

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what are you going to use them against?

ocean relic Dec 26, 2018, 9:34 PM

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NOVA bomb tipped slipspace missiles? you mean black hole rockets?

fair hazel Dec 26, 2018, 9:34 PM

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The worlds full of people?

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 9:35 PM

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The only answer is MAD! >:D

ocean relic Dec 26, 2018, 9:35 PM

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you...didnt answer my question

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 9:35 PM

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NOVA bombs aren't black hole bombs.

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They're nowhere near the pressures of a singularity.

ocean relic Dec 26, 2018, 9:36 PM

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dangit

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what are they?

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 9:36 PM

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very powerful nuclear weapons

ocean relic Dec 26, 2018, 9:36 PM

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ah yes

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 9:37 PM

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the kind that can crack a planet

ocean relic Dec 26, 2018, 9:37 PM

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ol reliable

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oh....

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 9:37 PM

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When I say the only answer is MAD, I mean mutually-assured destruction.

ocean relic Dec 26, 2018, 9:37 PM

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the same one chief used on requiem?

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also yea i know

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 9:37 PM

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no? The Chief never used a nuke on requiem

ocean relic Dec 26, 2018, 9:38 PM

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the football sized one he used to take out the didact

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 9:38 PM

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If you're referring to the Mantle's Approach, the Didact's starship, that's a HAVOK nuke

ocean relic Dec 26, 2018, 9:38 PM

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oh

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 9:38 PM

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its a rather small, portable nuclear device

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not very powerful

ocean relic Dec 26, 2018, 9:38 PM

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compared to NOVA, how powerful is it

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nvm

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 9:38 PM

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pretty small

ocean relic Dec 26, 2018, 9:39 PM

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was the NOVA bomb ever used?

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 9:40 PM

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twice

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both used on Covenant colony worlds

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those planets have since been made uninhabitable

gilded mason Dec 26, 2018, 9:40 PM

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Never forget. 😢

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 9:40 PM

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https://www.halopedia.org/NOVA_bomb

ocean relic Dec 26, 2018, 9:41 PM

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oh jeez

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 9:41 PM

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Kill all Split Jaws. Don't believe Covvie lies. Join Sapien Sunrise today.

ocean relic Dec 26, 2018, 9:41 PM

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waht bout arby

gilded mason Dec 26, 2018, 9:41 PM

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What about him?

ocean relic Dec 26, 2018, 9:41 PM

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u h8 arby?

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 9:41 PM

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Kill all Split Jaws. Don't believe Covvie lies. Join Sapien Sunrise today.

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Long live the UEG.

gilded mason Dec 26, 2018, 9:42 PM

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Do I get any benefits from joining?

ocean relic Dec 26, 2018, 9:42 PM

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you get free coffee on your first day

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your choice

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 9:43 PM

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You receive eternal happiness knowing you're fighting the good fight to take down all them alien scum and protecting your families, homes, and Humanity as a whole in the face of a dangerous and evil galaxy.

fair hazel Dec 26, 2018, 9:43 PM

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you probably get to be shot by the master chief

ocean relic Dec 26, 2018, 9:43 PM

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thats a bad thing?

gilded mason Dec 26, 2018, 9:43 PM

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Being a double agent against them probably ain’t worth it then

ocean relic Dec 26, 2018, 9:43 PM

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but...

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free coffee

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 9:44 PM

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Biko was an isolated event by a radical fringe. The good UEG ambassador did not have to die. The Master Chief is with us.

fair hazel Dec 26, 2018, 9:44 PM

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what

gilded mason Dec 26, 2018, 9:44 PM

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What what?

ocean relic Dec 26, 2018, 9:44 PM

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biko? ueg? what?

gilded mason Dec 26, 2018, 9:45 PM

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UEG is the main earth government, friend

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 9:45 PM

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You guys are no fun... no one remembers Hunt the Truth...

ocean relic Dec 26, 2018, 9:45 PM

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owowowoh

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right

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 9:46 PM

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you forgot a w in there owo

ocean relic Dec 26, 2018, 9:46 PM

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my bad

fair hazel Dec 26, 2018, 9:46 PM

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sorry for the long moderation, was hesitating between a kick and a ban

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 9:46 PM

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no problem

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that was rather stupid of that guy

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But yeah, I'm referring a thing from Hunt the Truth, the Halo 5 marketing campaign

fair hazel Dec 26, 2018, 9:47 PM

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I wasnt ever puzzled about hunt the truth

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Just sapien sunrise is bad people

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 9:47 PM

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Just doing a bit. Humanity first jokes.

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https://www.halopedia.org/Raid_on_Biko_peace_talks

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For those not in the know, that's the event I'm referring to.

fair hazel Dec 26, 2018, 9:48 PM

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i dont like those

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even in fiction, xenophobia and supremacy makes me... unhappy lets say

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 9:49 PM

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sorry, just a part of the universe, its fun to play with those concepts. Like, why do people still dress up as Stormtroopers if the Empire was a proponent of xenophobia?

fair hazel Dec 26, 2018, 9:49 PM

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not in the sense of, lets not have that in halo but in the sense of, yeah those are bad people

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 9:49 PM

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yeah I get that

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still its fun to play the bad guy sometimes

narrow wadi Dec 26, 2018, 9:52 PM

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Just to check. First Strike is set between Halo 1 and 2, right?

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And the only context I need for it is Fall of Reach and the Flood?

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 9:52 PM

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Yep

fair hazel Dec 26, 2018, 9:52 PM

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yes

narrow wadi Dec 26, 2018, 9:55 PM

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Thank you. I really should get all of the books in order rather than just going “ooh this looks cool”

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Like I have Bad Blood but not New Blood, and I have Mortal Dictata without the other Kilo-5 books to back them up

modest marsh Dec 26, 2018, 9:59 PM

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@ocean relic for the record, the HAVOK nuke Chief used was worth 30 megatons

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Which is within the yields of modern nuclear weapons, though typically much larger

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A planet cracker is measured in teratons

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The approximate energy released when the Chicxulub impact caused the mass extinction 65-66 million years ago was estimated to be equal to 100 teratons (i.e. 100 exagrams or approximately 220.462 quadrillion pounds) of TNT (a teraton equals 1 million megatons). That is roughly 8 billion times stronger than each of the bombs that hit Hiroshima and Nagasaki and the most energetic event on the history of Earth for hundreds of millions of years, far more powerful than any volcanic eruption, earthquake or firestorm.

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This is a few orders of magnitude weaker than a NOVA bomb actually

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 10:06 PM

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Well in itself, NOVA bombs are a bit of soft science fiction but they are most definitely the most powerful weapons in the UNSC arsenal

modest marsh Dec 26, 2018, 10:08 PM

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Nova bombs are nonsense fiction lol

versed helm Dec 26, 2018, 10:09 PM

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In a fiction game

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With fiction supersoldiers

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 10:09 PM

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eh, we're just lamenting that Halo has tended to try to be a bit more grounded in its fiction, don't mind us

narrow wadi Dec 26, 2018, 10:10 PM

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I mean

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There is the whole thing where there are Energy Swords

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And Psychic space zombies that are made from a dead race millennia ago

fair hazel Dec 26, 2018, 10:10 PM

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just because something is fictional doesnt mean there are no rules or things dont try to be grounded

narrow wadi Dec 26, 2018, 10:10 PM

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It’s not entirely a logical series

fair hazel Dec 26, 2018, 10:10 PM

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that is why the argument you find X thing ridiculous in a story where there is magic? Is a bad argument

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 10:11 PM

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nothing wrong with that, having a fictional world that is fundamentally grounded with its own internal rules is a strength of good fiction

narrow wadi Dec 26, 2018, 10:12 PM

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I’d agree, but it’s also kinda okay for a universe to break its rules sometimes

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That’s how 99% of good twists or interesting things happen

fair hazel Dec 26, 2018, 10:12 PM

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no

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stay within its own rules, you may branch out and explore but, dont outright break something fundamnetal

versed helm Dec 26, 2018, 10:12 PM

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7 foot green man falls from space and flips an elephant
Nobody cares
Space government with practically unlimited funds builds bombs big enough to destroy planets
Nah too fictiony

fair hazel Dec 26, 2018, 10:12 PM

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like sure, you can be like, breakthroughs in this allowed that to happen so thats why this is happening now

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bad argument XLR8

versed helm Dec 26, 2018, 10:13 PM

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How

fair hazel Dec 26, 2018, 10:13 PM

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but dont be like, okay slipspace allows people to heal wounds faster now because we said so !

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For one thing no elephant flipping

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for another thing, it's trying to make something consistent within its own universe, seem ridiculous

modest marsh Dec 26, 2018, 10:14 PM

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You can’t deflect any tonal inconsistency as fiction just being fiction

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 10:14 PM

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Gameplay fundamentally does not translate into the lore anyway, with the games we have a few more opportunities to pick and choose what is canon and what's not also

obsidian thistle Dec 26, 2018, 10:14 PM

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Gameplay isnt canon anyway. Too many player variables to account for

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 10:15 PM

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^

versed helm Dec 26, 2018, 10:15 PM

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Fine. Flip a warthog

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Spartan manual says they can do more than that

modest marsh Dec 26, 2018, 10:15 PM

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Why is that ridiculous compared to nukes that can obliterate planets

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Suspension of disbelief and all

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For the record, I’m fine with it

fair hazel Dec 26, 2018, 10:16 PM

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yes, thanks to technological advancements through iteration and many years of research, for MJOLNIR and biological augmentations

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im more on XLR8 than nova bombs right now

modest marsh Dec 26, 2018, 10:17 PM

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But one must realize that there is a significant problem the NOVAs pose in that they basically make everything else in the setting worthless in terms of defense

versed helm Dec 26, 2018, 10:17 PM

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There’s no way to make a human of their size (they’re not even bulky to begin with) be able to lift something that heavy just from basically making their muscles titanium

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You can replace the tendons with metal, bones with metal, you name it

modest marsh Dec 26, 2018, 10:17 PM

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It’s a reactive power suit that does most of the work

obsidian thistle Dec 26, 2018, 10:17 PM

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This convo is flying faster than I can even jump in lol.

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 10:18 PM

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I'm rather confused as well.

fair hazel Dec 26, 2018, 10:18 PM

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internal consistent logic as well

modest marsh Dec 26, 2018, 10:18 PM

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Power armor is a readily accepted concept in contemporary fiction

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 10:18 PM

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This wasn't ever a complaint about Halo's fiction, only a note that some things don't always line up.

obsidian thistle Dec 26, 2018, 10:19 PM

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Regardless. There is a grounding. But 343i do keep the door open for several stuff. They often dont give numbers so they dont limit themselves.

versed helm Dec 26, 2018, 10:20 PM

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As for bombs, we already have bombs that can wipe out who knows how large of a surface area. Build one on the scale of destroying the planet, with enough physical mass and burying potential- then explosive potential and it wouldnt strike me as surprising if possible

modest marsh Dec 26, 2018, 10:20 PM

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I just showed numbers stating otherwise

obsidian thistle Dec 26, 2018, 10:20 PM

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Tbh we are lucky we even have numbers in Halo: Warfleet after hearing how much they gutted out of it lol. (Still love the book however)

fair hazel Dec 26, 2018, 10:21 PM

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nova bombs are probably very few in number and expensive to make

modest marsh Dec 26, 2018, 10:21 PM

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A planet cracker is millions of times stronger than the meteor which wiped out the dinosaurs

fair hazel Dec 26, 2018, 10:21 PM

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prohibitively expensive

modest marsh Dec 26, 2018, 10:21 PM

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We will never replicate such an event

versed helm Dec 26, 2018, 10:22 PM

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Well remember, simplified down, that was rock hitting rock. Now load that rock with explosive power

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 10:22 PM

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Never is a rather strong term to be throwing around...

obsidian thistle Dec 26, 2018, 10:23 PM

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I still wanna know if humanity would be willing to make more Slipspace Bombs after one effectively took out a CSO.

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 10:23 PM

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Want me to go get my INKV again? >:D

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(forgot this isn't Halopedia, there are different rules here)

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I still feel that slapping a slipspace drive on a small rocket/interstellar vehicle with a remotely detonated NOVA bomb would be the natural evolution of the NOVA bomb.

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interstellar icbm

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And I agree, it would seem appropriate to standardize for weaponize Slipspace bombs given the effective regarding the Long Night of Solace.

fair hazel Dec 26, 2018, 10:29 PM

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i still do want them to weaponize slipspace

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more

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 10:30 PM

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maybe see where they can take the gravitation plates they show in the opening of Ghosts of Onyx as well.

orchid tendon Dec 26, 2018, 10:30 PM

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Big bomb = big hurt

carmine sleet Dec 26, 2018, 10:30 PM

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So you want some sort of slipspace bomb erickyboo?

fair hazel Dec 26, 2018, 10:31 PM

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like CIA said

carmine sleet Dec 26, 2018, 10:31 PM

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Ah, missed that bit

obsidian thistle Dec 26, 2018, 10:35 PM

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Yea maybe not the exact same as the Halo Reach one. That one is rather... unrefined and well due to that killed Jorge.

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 10:36 PM

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I worry that that's an inherent flaw with that type of weapon, maybe in later models then, they can introduce a remote detonation option though.

ocean relic Dec 26, 2018, 10:39 PM

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interstellar icbm...

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that doesnt make sense actually

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ICBM (intercontinental ballistic missile)

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so realistically it would be an ISBM

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 10:40 PM

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I'm describing it, not actually calling it that

versed helm Dec 26, 2018, 10:41 PM

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Interplanetary ballistic missile

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 10:41 PM

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INKV, my rendition of it, stands for Interstellar Nuclear Kill Vehicle

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With the slipspace drive aboard, it goes beyond the planetary designation. And its not quite a missile given the methods that can be used to deploy it.

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One way is to have it drop out of slipspace from a starship like slipspace-capble ODST insertion pods and detonate on a target. The other option is to have it do several micro jumps from a UNSC launch site on a planet or space station and detonate upon arriving under its own power

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Either way, the only viable way to make such a weapon viable is to have a UNSC prowler somewhere in the same star system in advance to make sure the detonation is carried out without failure

fair hazel Dec 26, 2018, 10:55 PM

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i think it`s rather effective as a weapon though, as it just gobbles up things

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 10:57 PM

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might have to apply that one in Fanon, thanks eric and CIA for the idea

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Just another thing to pile on my unwritten fanon stuff...

narrow wadi Dec 26, 2018, 11:03 PM

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I’m playing through the Library again

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And I realised something

obsidian thistle Dec 26, 2018, 11:03 PM

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Realised what?

narrow wadi Dec 26, 2018, 11:06 PM

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There’s a remark by Spark about your weapons

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And how they’re not sufficient to combat the flood, and it confused me because you’ve been killing flood effectively up to this point

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But it’s cuz your weapons aren’t heat-based.

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Like the best way to kill the flood, as it’s repeatedly shown in Halo, is to use incredible heat to destroy them

fair hazel Dec 26, 2018, 11:07 PM

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effectively?

narrow wadi Dec 26, 2018, 11:07 PM

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I play on Bornal

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*Normal

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And you know what I mean

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They put them down

fair hazel Dec 26, 2018, 11:07 PM

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they get back up

narrow wadi Dec 26, 2018, 11:07 PM

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That’s what I mean though

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Even if you kill a combat form, it’s still biomass

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Spark is confused cuz he knows this, and is basically like “why aren’t you just burning them?”

fair hazel Dec 26, 2018, 11:08 PM

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i still really want to fight the flood, with forerunner weapons, prometheans

narrow wadi Dec 26, 2018, 11:08 PM

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I’m almost certain you’ll see that in Infinite

fair hazel Dec 26, 2018, 11:08 PM

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it'd be good to hae a section where the flood comes in, you use UNSC/covenant weaponry

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and then you get the prometheans inbound/weaponry

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then now that's when you see their effectiveness

narrow wadi Dec 26, 2018, 11:09 PM

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I want something else

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I want it to instead be that Knights would be teleported in and absolutely wipe the floor with Combat Forms

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Like dozens of them at once per Knight

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It’d be an awesome sight

fair hazel Dec 26, 2018, 11:14 PM

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first establish the flood threat

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then establish promethean dominance

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the ark would be a good location for it though honestly

versed helm Dec 26, 2018, 11:42 PM

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Who got banned lol

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Are there promethean forces on the ark?

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 11:52 PM

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No. Not at this time.

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People seem to forget that before Halo 4 Prometheans were exclusive to Requiem.

narrow wadi Dec 26, 2018, 11:57 PM

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Why were they exclusive to Requiem before H4?

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Was it cuz they were guarding the Diadact? That’d make sense, but that’s about all I can guess

vague scroll Dec 26, 2018, 11:57 PM

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Youre on the money. The Prometheans are exclusive to the Didact because they were his most loyal warriors.

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The Librarian locked them away along with the Ur-Didact during her final visit to Requiem.

narrow wadi Dec 27, 2018, 1:19 AM

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And I’m guessing that’s why there aren’t as many Knights in 5 vs 4?

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Most of them were wiped out in 4, so they upgraded the ones that were left and used them as heavies instead of as front-line troopers?

vague scroll Dec 27, 2018, 1:22 AM

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That, but also, because the Prometheans are moving around across the galaxy now. In Spartan Strike, we learn that portals across the galaxy have been open and the Prometheans are using them to raid planets. One was on Earth under New Phoenix which was shut down after a Promethean incursion there.

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Following Halo 4, not during.

narrow wadi Dec 27, 2018, 1:30 AM

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Ah, I gotcha. Thank you.

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I wasn’t aware of this kinda thing, I just play the mainline games, and read the books I can get, but I haven’t played the spinoffs yet

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I’m going to start Wars proper soon

remote spruce Dec 27, 2018, 2:54 AM

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spam scorpions (half joke)

whole karma Dec 27, 2018, 3:22 AM

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So what happened on the Mona Lisa exactly

gilded mason Dec 27, 2018, 3:24 AM

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ONI being ONI.

remote spruce Dec 27, 2018, 3:24 AM

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ONI tried some experimentation with Flood, it failed, ship got RIP kinda, a squad of marines was sent without knowing what to do, and RIP

last anchor Dec 27, 2018, 3:25 AM

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Things went boom

gilded mason Dec 27, 2018, 3:25 AM

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Henry revealed himself to be best boy.

last anchor Dec 27, 2018, 3:26 AM

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A Sangheili needs no weapon. Only a cricket bat