#lore-and-universe | Halo | Page 151

humble yacht Dec 17, 2018, 9:04 PM

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OK cat calling was probably the wrong term

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He peacocked

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he peacocked hard

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He wasn't disrespectful to Palmer's face, but the way he objectified her before speaking to her wasn't very flattering. Even if only we, the player, saw that

night tulip Dec 17, 2018, 9:05 PM

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...um interesting terminology we’re using here

humble yacht Dec 17, 2018, 9:06 PM

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What's interesting about it?

night tulip Dec 17, 2018, 9:06 PM

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I don’t think I’ve ever seen the term “peacocked” as a verb

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Lol

humble yacht Dec 17, 2018, 9:06 PM

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it's real

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The meaning should be pretty apparent

night tulip Dec 17, 2018, 9:08 PM

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Yeah I understand what it means :))

severe elbow Dec 17, 2018, 9:14 PM

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I'm not saying he's a saint, but none of the Spartans are. I don't see why something like that sets the Spartan-IVs on a lower bar, especially when the flaws of the IVs are a result of them being normal humans, something that was largely beaten out of the IIs and IIIs or kept from being a part of them from the beginning.

humble yacht Dec 17, 2018, 9:15 PM

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I'm not hating on S-IVs

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I'm fine with them

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I'm even fine with DeMarco. I just think it's fair to point out that he had some less than desirable character traits

severe elbow Dec 17, 2018, 9:16 PM

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I know you're not, I was mostly replying to Yamato.

humble yacht Dec 17, 2018, 9:17 PM

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Could be why they wrote him sacrificing himself; maybe not as a way of redemption, but showing that he did have honor/genuine care for others

night tulip Dec 17, 2018, 9:18 PM

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It’s because they’re human is kind of the problem

humble yacht Dec 17, 2018, 9:18 PM

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I mean, if you're willing to sacrifice yourself for others, I guess it can be forgiven if your a smart-alec

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Spartan-IIs are human

night tulip Dec 17, 2018, 9:19 PM

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Well I mean the IIs and IIIs were human too but to a lesser extent, they never knew civilian life, were always willing to put the mission first, always “protect humanity whatever the cost” as chief said at the end of halo 4. Now mind u at that point lasky was right in saying that soldiers aren’t machines they’re people. But the spartans are definitely at a disconnect as to what it means to have agency, and to actually be “a person”

humble yacht Dec 17, 2018, 9:20 PM

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If you want to talk about their humanity/empathy/compassion and all that, then sure, the IIs are lacking in that area compared to normal people. And that certainly could contribute to their effectiveness as warriors

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but it's not necessary for being strong

night tulip Dec 17, 2018, 9:21 PM

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I’m not doubting the SIVs physical abilities, I’m doubting they have the mindset or being “broken” at their core to the point they were like the II’s or the III’s

humble yacht Dec 17, 2018, 9:21 PM

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Well of course they have different mindsets, and of course they aren't as inherently "broken" as the IIs and IIIs

severe elbow Dec 17, 2018, 9:21 PM

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It's also worth that the IIs/IIIs are/can be tight knit and sociable amongst themselves, but don't really interact with other soldiers much, and not society at large.

night tulip Dec 17, 2018, 9:21 PM

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“Do you believe the master chief succeeded because he was at his core broken?” To an extend yes, but he wasn’t a machine either. Is what I’m saying

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Yes we observe IIs being extremely protective and close within their own groups

humble yacht Dec 17, 2018, 9:22 PM

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You don't need to be broken to be a hero, is what the IVs signify

night tulip Dec 17, 2018, 9:22 PM

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Not a hero, a spartan

humble yacht Dec 17, 2018, 9:23 PM

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In this case, you seem to be equating the two

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Because like you said, it's not about the physical abilities

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it's about the mindset

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the willingness to do whatever is necessary

night tulip Dec 17, 2018, 9:23 PM

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A hero would save people. A spartan would complete his objective

humble yacht Dec 17, 2018, 9:23 PM

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War hero, then

night tulip Dec 17, 2018, 9:23 PM

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A hero wouldn’t exactly commit crimes against humanity to achieve goals

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Then they wouldn’t be a hero

humble yacht Dec 17, 2018, 9:24 PM

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war heroes are not traditional heroes

night tulip Dec 17, 2018, 9:24 PM

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War heroes aren’t exactly spartans either

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Ok gtg my flight is taking off soon

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Good debate

humble yacht Dec 17, 2018, 9:24 PM

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You saying that MC isn't a war hero?

night tulip Dec 17, 2018, 9:25 PM

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He something else

humble yacht Dec 17, 2018, 9:25 PM

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I think he's a war hero

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I think the UNSC at large would agree

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Recent events nonwithstanding

night tulip Dec 17, 2018, 9:26 PM

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ONI propaganda notwithstanding...

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I’d say he’s not a traditional “war hero” either

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Kk gtg cut

humble yacht Dec 17, 2018, 9:27 PM

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I think you're losing the forest for the trees

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We're playing semantics at this point

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Chief achieved alot, yes. He saved the whole galaxy. But was that because he was broken at his core? Or was that because of another attribute?

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Looking back to his portrayal in CE-3, Chief didn't really come across as "broken". and ultimately, we find out that what set him apart from other Spartans, and likely led to his success, was his inherent luck.

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Could we say that any other Spartan II would have been able to do what Chief did? Probably not. Sub in Fred for Chief in Halo CE-3 and I'm sure that something would have gone wrong.

severe elbow Dec 17, 2018, 9:32 PM

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Which then gets into troubling things like the meta of the writing itself, where the Master Chief has to succeed for the sake of the story. Then the discussion gets to whether we take things as the story gives them or discuss creator intent, blah blah blah.

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The whole thing get complicated the more you dig into it.

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Well even that's debatable.

humble yacht Dec 17, 2018, 9:33 PM

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I don't think it was designed to create the Chief specifically

severe elbow Dec 17, 2018, 9:33 PM

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Is it the Chief himself, or any Spartan that could reach that point?

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There was a Tweet from Frankie where he even raised that question.

humble yacht Dec 17, 2018, 9:33 PM

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but rather a being that possessed the qualities Chief did

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It didn't have to be John that became the Reclaimer.

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but it ended up being him

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maybe because of his luck? who knows

narrow wadi Dec 17, 2018, 9:34 PM

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What DID the Librarian give the Chief, aside from the immunity to the Composer?

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I’m curious

gilded mason Dec 17, 2018, 9:34 PM

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Yeah, it was just "Humanity will eventually make super soldiers and AI."

severe elbow Dec 17, 2018, 9:34 PM

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We don't know. Seemingly access to the Domain.

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And whatever allowed him to hear the Didact.

humble yacht Dec 17, 2018, 9:34 PM

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Maybe the Didact was speaking through the Domain?

severe elbow Dec 17, 2018, 9:35 PM

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I thought that, too.

humble yacht Dec 17, 2018, 9:35 PM

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Chief did seem to get some psychic link to forerunner stuff out of it

severe elbow Dec 17, 2018, 9:35 PM

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But we know so little about it I kept it separate.

humble yacht Dec 17, 2018, 9:35 PM

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I preferred the Flood when they were just a misunderstood organism trying to survive, instead of being a revenge-driven evil entity

severe elbow Dec 17, 2018, 9:37 PM

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Basically. They weren't the intention of what the Precursors did, but they decided it was acceptable. That's the long and short of it.

humble yacht Dec 17, 2018, 9:38 PM

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Yeah, you could say I prefer pre-Precursor Flood

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😉

narrow wadi Dec 17, 2018, 9:40 PM

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I like both for entirely different reasons

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The fact the Flood was made cuz the Forerunners were huge pricks is nice too

severe elbow Dec 17, 2018, 9:40 PM

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I prefer the Precursor Flood a lot more, personally.

humble yacht Dec 17, 2018, 9:42 PM

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I find the notion of the Precursors to be ridiculous

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The thing I liked about the Forerunners being the premiere race in the galaxy was that despite their strength, knowledge, and technology, despite how powerful they were, they still lost

narrow wadi Dec 17, 2018, 9:43 PM

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^^^^

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If there was a Forerunner BEFORE they started introducing this stuff, I wouldn’t mind

humble yacht Dec 17, 2018, 9:44 PM

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what do you mean?

narrow wadi Dec 17, 2018, 9:44 PM

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I messed up

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I meant to put I WOULD mind

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But the only forerunners we meet in Halo are both in the Reclaimer Saga, after they introduced this stuff

severe elbow Dec 17, 2018, 9:44 PM

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@versed helm This isn't the chat for this. Try #general-chat or one of the game channels.

versed helm Dec 17, 2018, 9:44 PM

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ok thanks sorry

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just joined this channel

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server

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wtever

narrow wadi Dec 17, 2018, 9:45 PM

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So it’s not a retcon and it’s not entirely something I mind

severe elbow Dec 17, 2018, 9:45 PM

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No prob.

humble yacht Dec 17, 2018, 9:45 PM

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I preferred the Forerunners back when it was ambiguous whether they were an alien race or ancient advanced humans

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I used to like to think that the Forerunners were human, an advanced race of humans, who got reset to the stone age when they fired the halos

last anchor Dec 17, 2018, 9:47 PM

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And then comes the Didact...

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Honestly I was kinda glad he was there. I was like "OH HELL YES"

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I wanted a better fight between him and Chief tho

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And not Next 72 hours either

severe elbow Dec 17, 2018, 9:47 PM

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The existence of the Shield Worlds kind of highlights the tragedy of the Forerunners. They had a means of surviving the Halo Array but even that failed.

last anchor Dec 17, 2018, 9:47 PM

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Like...just before chief kills him, he realizes "wait...Humanity IS worth of the mantle."
Gunshot

obsidian thistle Dec 17, 2018, 9:48 PM

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I prefer the post-IRIS Forerunners to the pre-IRIS Forerunners. Tbh I never liked the humans were Forerunners deal that was hinted a few times prior to IRIS.

gilded mason Dec 17, 2018, 9:48 PM

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"wait...Humanity IS worth of the mantle."
But they ain't.

humble yacht Dec 17, 2018, 9:48 PM

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I mean, Onyx was a shield world

obsidian thistle Dec 17, 2018, 9:48 PM

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Tbh the Mantle if needed to be held is best held by a group of species than 1.

gilded mason Dec 17, 2018, 9:49 PM

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Exactly

narrow wadi Dec 17, 2018, 9:49 PM

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Plus there are also Forerunners outside of the Diadact that are alive

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I think Spark is currently trying to find one of them

obsidian thistle Dec 17, 2018, 9:49 PM

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Humanity at times... makes choices that are pro-humanity and go against other species. See Kilo-5.

narrow wadi Dec 17, 2018, 9:50 PM

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Yep

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At least, that’s what the games make it seem like

humble yacht Dec 17, 2018, 9:50 PM

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Spark thinks the Librarian is still alive

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But he doesn't know

narrow wadi Dec 17, 2018, 9:50 PM

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Spark’s survival is still bloody weird

humble yacht Dec 17, 2018, 9:51 PM

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There were forerunners who left the galaxy but they made it a point to spread out and die out

narrow wadi Dec 17, 2018, 9:51 PM

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Like “oh hey, he literally blew up, was crushed, and blown up again, and he lived”

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And this was AFTER surviving the Pillar of Autumn AND 04 blowing up around him

humble yacht Dec 17, 2018, 9:51 PM

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what's the first blew up and crushed?

narrow wadi Dec 17, 2018, 9:52 PM

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Killed by John, Crushed by the Control Room falling apart, blown up a second time

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And he LIVED

humble yacht Dec 17, 2018, 9:53 PM

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what was the second blow up?

narrow wadi Dec 17, 2018, 9:53 PM

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The entire ring blowing up

humble yacht Dec 17, 2018, 9:53 PM

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also i think his chassis was small enough to slip through some cracks while the ring fell apart

narrow wadi Dec 17, 2018, 9:53 PM

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Oh

humble yacht Dec 17, 2018, 9:53 PM

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the rings shook apart

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so I bet his chassis just fell to the ark

narrow wadi Dec 17, 2018, 9:54 PM

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I’m referring to this-
Pillar of Autumn blew up around him, taking out the ring he was on

Was blown up by John
Crushed/Damaged by the control room
Potentially blown up again

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And he LIVED

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Spark might be the toughest thing in that entire series

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Him or Johnson

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You know

humble yacht Dec 17, 2018, 9:54 PM

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That first one

narrow wadi Dec 17, 2018, 9:55 PM

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Since Johnson also somehow survived the Pillar of Autumn blowing up while right beside it

humble yacht Dec 17, 2018, 9:55 PM

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he flew off the ring well before the Autumn blew

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😐

narrow wadi Dec 17, 2018, 9:55 PM

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If you want to go maximum meme

humble yacht Dec 17, 2018, 9:55 PM

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don't write for halo ever pls kthnxbai

narrow wadi Dec 17, 2018, 9:55 PM

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They’d merge with Sam instead

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And yeah, pls don’t write Halo

unique rune Dec 17, 2018, 9:56 PM

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tbh I'd play that for the sheer stupidity of the idea

narrow wadi Dec 17, 2018, 9:57 PM

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I need to check I am thinking of the right guy

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Sam WAS the one to die because he saved John and his suit was busted, so he got blown up, right?

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I remember that bit VERY vividly, I’m just making sure I’m not confusing the name

unique rune Dec 17, 2018, 9:57 PM

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Samuel-034

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yes

narrow wadi Dec 17, 2018, 9:58 PM

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Thank you.

unique rune Dec 17, 2018, 9:58 PM

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took a plasma pistol bolt for John
vacuum seal go bye bye
and so he stayed behind to make sure the bomb would go off

narrow wadi Dec 17, 2018, 9:59 PM

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I honestly remember that stuff so vividly

humble yacht Dec 17, 2018, 9:59 PM

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Didn't you hear? Sam fused with Chief

narrow wadi Dec 17, 2018, 9:59 PM

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I remember that the first Halo related book thing I got was the Fall of Reach comic with that bit being depicted

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I read that so many times

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(Despite me now owning the book proper)

last anchor Dec 17, 2018, 10:07 PM

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Its funny but whenever someone does a crossover with a series that lets you bring people back from the dead as like, avatars or whatever, chief ALWAYS gets Sam as his

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Inevitably.

narrow wadi Dec 17, 2018, 10:08 PM

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It is weird that it’s ALWAYS Sam

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Especially since both Johnson and Miranda are also dead, and would make more sense

last anchor Dec 17, 2018, 10:12 PM

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My thoughts exactly

narrow wadi Dec 17, 2018, 10:13 PM

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Zombie Johnson

vague scroll Dec 17, 2018, 10:14 PM

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I mean, the Mass Effect Crossover, Lost Legacy, killed off Blue Team in the first chapter except Chief but brought back Johnson and Miranda Keyes

narrow wadi Dec 17, 2018, 10:15 PM

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Or you could

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Keep all of them alive

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And be very happy

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Cuz Garrus and Linda having a sniping fight would be the best thing ever

vague scroll Dec 17, 2018, 10:16 PM

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That's great when you say it but then you actually consider it for a story and most premises where none of the main character gets boring...

narrow wadi Dec 17, 2018, 10:36 PM

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I mean, I read fanfics to have fun, and the idea of Kelly and Jack getting into a Shotgun fight, or Jorge and Wrex in just a straight up fistfight

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I WANT

versed helm Dec 17, 2018, 10:42 PM

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Too bad Jorge is dead oof

severe elbow Dec 17, 2018, 10:43 PM

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Too bad Noble Six is alive.

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Or dead.

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Or both.

vague scroll Dec 17, 2018, 10:54 PM

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Fanfics don't limit your creativity to go read or write that...unless you're one of my guys and force yourself to stay limited to plausible and canonical scenarios...

west raft Dec 17, 2018, 10:54 PM

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Noble six is alive and hiding in a cave with unlimited supply of food and water

vague scroll Dec 17, 2018, 10:55 PM

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Then I'm not sending him my personal information because I can assure you he's been through worse if he's got unlimited supplies.

feral perch Dec 18, 2018, 12:04 AM

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Noble Six is everyone

obsidian thistle Dec 18, 2018, 12:14 AM

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Nah. He even has a defined armor set. Which if you count the "A Spartan will rise" trailer is really defined up to the New Alexandria mission.

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The only time the armor is 100 free with no canon restrains is the final missions lol

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Sans helmet in which that is locked in via the first mission

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This is even using exclusively Bungie lore also.

last anchor Dec 18, 2018, 12:28 AM

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And we know he was male thanks to New Blood

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Lotta people were mad about that

feral perch Dec 18, 2018, 12:28 AM

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Wait what?

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Noble Six was mentioned in New Blood?

gilded mason Dec 18, 2018, 12:29 AM

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Yeah, I think Buck was talking with Jun and Noble 6 was mentioned.

feral perch Dec 18, 2018, 12:30 AM

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Oh wow

last anchor Dec 18, 2018, 12:32 AM

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He

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Yeah

obsidian thistle Dec 18, 2018, 12:33 AM

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He was male since 2010 lol

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Halseys Journal had a image of a Male Noble 6.
https://www.halopedia.org/images/5/57/Noble_Surveillance.jpg

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Armor default with the only variable being his right handed shoulder piece

heavy linden Dec 18, 2018, 12:44 AM

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Didn't they never consider the choice canon and just went with him being male "lorewise" from the start?

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Thought I heard that somewhere

vague scroll Dec 18, 2018, 12:44 AM

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I believe it was first confirmed in the Halo Encyclopedia.

obsidian thistle Dec 18, 2018, 1:12 AM

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It was first confirmed via that image I linked above that came in Halseys journal

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However the "A Spartan will Rise" trailer I guess is a canon trailer that had a Male Noble 6 also so one could say that was first

versed helm Dec 18, 2018, 1:23 AM

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Or even just the E3 trailer

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How they show him off as a male character

obsidian thistle Dec 18, 2018, 1:25 AM

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Yea I am more dealing with canon sources that hold merit than a E3 trailer that can change and did change

versed helm Dec 18, 2018, 1:26 AM

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Still. They were still trying to convey him as a male from the get-go. Otherwise they would have pulled something akin to what Mass Effect did with their own marketing

orchid kettle Dec 18, 2018, 1:29 AM

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I mean, plenty of games that feature customizable protags will still have a pre-made protag they use for marketing

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Like, the point of Noble Six is that they are you, or at least, whatever you want them to be

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Not a very specific dude in a very specific suit of armor

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So trying to set any "canon" incarnation of the character, be it the fans or 343 themselves, is kinda missing the entire point

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Like when people claim that they have an issue with the Rookie being a silent protag on principle

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Without realizing that the entire point of the Rookie's gameplay sections is that its lonesome and eerie

subtle depot Dec 18, 2018, 3:48 AM

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How fast are ODST Pods traveling when they hit the ground? I know they go terminal velocity until the air brake but then how much do they slow down

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I want to calculate the forces involved

pseudo coral Dec 18, 2018, 3:53 AM

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Now I wanna know too lol

vague scroll Dec 18, 2018, 3:55 AM

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kind of hard to guess, best you'll be able to do is measure by comparing the movement of the pods to stationary objects nearby and measuring time for distance.

subtle depot Dec 18, 2018, 3:58 AM

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Well I’m going to bed shortly so that’s a problem for tomorrow when I can get back on my xbox. I want to know what the g-force is and how survivable/ able to walk away from it is for a normal human

vague scroll Dec 18, 2018, 3:59 AM

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not my forte, best wait for someone to take up the charge

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not sure if it will be physical realistic tbf

subtle depot Dec 18, 2018, 4:10 AM

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Probably not

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One can hope

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I hope it will be the special operations for space force 😛

versed helm Dec 18, 2018, 4:11 AM

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Question...do we allow fanon stuff here?

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Because i found a Halo Fanon alien race that looks..interesting

gilded mason Dec 18, 2018, 4:33 AM

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Interesting in a good way, or interesting in a "what the hell" way?

versed helm Dec 18, 2018, 4:35 AM

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http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Kehl

gilded mason Dec 18, 2018, 4:37 AM

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Hm. What a familiar-looking species. 🤔

quick ridge Dec 18, 2018, 4:38 AM

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thinkingchief

shrewd trout Dec 18, 2018, 4:48 AM

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wow what an original concept

vague scroll Dec 18, 2018, 4:49 AM

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@versed helm That would be my site you're talking about, I can do my best to explain the purpose but for the record, Halo Fanon is a fanfiction wiki, we don't really have a heavy regulation on what people can make or what image assets they use, only that we try to stick to Halo canon.

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I've never worked with Hihawk, he's never talked to the community at large, looking at that page. Not sure why he chose to port over Destiny's Fallen.

versed helm Dec 18, 2018, 4:54 AM

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True

last anchor Dec 18, 2018, 7:19 AM

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Its Fanon wiki. Theres all kinds of borrowed stuff there

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Someone took the Samson helicopter from Avatar and used THAT

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Oh wait yo on there Tide?

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Cooooll...

vague scroll Dec 18, 2018, 7:20 AM

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I'm a site moderator over there.

last anchor Dec 18, 2018, 7:21 AM

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Nice. Thought about going but my ideas are kinda bland and unoriginal.
Just one colony and a Spartan. And a few random Marines

vague scroll Dec 18, 2018, 7:22 AM

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Nothing wrong with that, most of the stuff on HF are pretty bland anyway.

last anchor Dec 18, 2018, 7:32 AM

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Except for the ones that aren't. Like...holy crap, how do you come up with this?

obsidian thistle Dec 18, 2018, 9:54 AM

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I still love our Fanon wiki buddies. Tbh while fanon isnt my cup of tea its not easy to run a wiki like that.

versed helm Dec 18, 2018, 9:57 AM

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I did watch the Meddlers video by HiddenXperia..and because of that,it has got me thinking about the Flood outbreak on Installation 05

versed helm Dec 18, 2018, 10:46 AM

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I know i said it before but still,will we ever find out what really caused the Flood outbreak there

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I wonder...how did the Banished get to the Lesser Ark?

obsidian thistle Dec 18, 2018, 11:09 AM

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They took the long way

maiden mica Dec 18, 2018, 11:10 AM

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Very carefully

versed helm Dec 18, 2018, 11:13 AM

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I would love to see what life is like on a Earth under Cortana's rule,through the eyes of a civilian

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Anyone?

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If that's what they do to resuscitate the blunderbuss that is Halo 5's story, I'm all for it.

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^

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I still like to know,out of all the characters that they could've chosen to be the antagonist for Halo 5,why Cortana?

vague scroll Dec 18, 2018, 12:28 PM

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@last anchor A lot of "hold my beer" moments.

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@versed helm Dunno. Could be that Cortana is too much of an investment of the franchise to kill off. Especially when Microsoft has their AI assistant now named after her permanently.

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A robot that wants to enslave Humanity doesn't exactly sell products...maybe there is an obligated redemption arc in the works?

clear wren Dec 18, 2018, 1:49 PM

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I'd rather they not save cortana.

modest marsh Dec 18, 2018, 1:49 PM

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@subtle depot my best guess would be 2-4 kilometers per second

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That is, until they’re a few hundred meters from impact

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The pods ignite from hitting atmosphere, consistent with a meteoric reentry

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Of course, it appears they can fall slower

subtle depot Dec 18, 2018, 1:52 PM

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Well what would be the impact speed?

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Because it appears they go rather fast as they ident the ground but they could be going slower in reality

modest marsh Dec 18, 2018, 1:53 PM

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A lot slower lol

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There’s a limit to how fast they can be going considering they obviously don’t crater the ground

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Or embed themselves in it

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Granted I think Buck and Rookie’s pod were embedded in concrete

subtle depot Dec 18, 2018, 1:54 PM

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Those were going faster than normal though

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As rookie was unconscious for quite some time after sustaining the impact

limpid kernel Dec 18, 2018, 1:56 PM

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Rookie jumped from the top of a building thinkingchief

subtle depot Dec 18, 2018, 1:57 PM

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He did’t fall that far that’s in the realm of possibility for an ODST. But how much trauma did he have from his pod crashing at least a concussion right?

modest marsh Dec 18, 2018, 1:57 PM

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Side of a building

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It’s conceivable that the pods incorporate some sort of rudimentary gravitic compensation akin to UNSC aircraft to reduce likelihood of occupant death or injury

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For Rookie to have been knocked out as long as he was without permanent brain damage, I’m pretty sure he just fell asleep after the initial shock...somehow

limpid kernel Dec 18, 2018, 2:00 PM

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Sleepy boi

subtle depot Dec 18, 2018, 2:01 PM

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Well he was sleeping before hand so maybe he just needed to finish his nap thinkingchief

limpid kernel Dec 18, 2018, 2:01 PM

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Priorities

subtle depot Dec 18, 2018, 2:02 PM

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He could have been slipping in and out of consciousness that can happen with serious trauma or a shock causing event

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It does not necessarily need to be permanent damage just enough to knock him out

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Maybe optican supplies can reduce brain swelling?

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It would only have to be glorified ibuprofen

last anchor Dec 18, 2018, 4:28 PM

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I mean it does say "health care on demand" and seems able to patch up just about everything that can happen to you. Biofoam does impressive stuff.

topaz snow Dec 18, 2018, 8:19 PM

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@subtle depot the average SOEIV weight is approximately 500kg. The average size is 2.3 x 2.7 x 5 meters, though some have been seen at the size of 2.74m x 2.6m x 5.5m. Additionally, it should be noted that sizes and weight vary based on the vessel launching the pods and whether they're pre-war or post-war. For example, the UNSC In Amber Clad's drop pods featured a small viewscreen but no windows, whereas the UNSC Say My Name's pods featured several windows and additional view screens on the "front" of the pod. The UNSC Spirit of Fire also has unique drop pods that seem to be more bell-shaped than their seed-shaped cousins on the two aforementioned vessels.

subtle depot Dec 18, 2018, 8:20 PM

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Thank you

versed helm Dec 18, 2018, 9:22 PM

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Mathematical

viral orbit Dec 18, 2018, 10:13 PM

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What erlver happened to the Delta Halo moniter

severe elbow Dec 18, 2018, 10:14 PM

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Probably destroyed, either during the glassing of Delta Halo or the destruction of High Charity.

viral orbit Dec 18, 2018, 10:15 PM

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Why was delta halo glassed

vague scroll Dec 18, 2018, 10:15 PM

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Flood outbreak

viral orbit Dec 18, 2018, 10:16 PM

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Oh yeah

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What happened to medicant and offensive bias

severe elbow Dec 18, 2018, 10:20 PM

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Both unknown. Mendicant may have died when Installation 08 exploded.

indigo dawn Dec 18, 2018, 10:56 PM

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I honestly hope they take advantage of the Contender AIs in Infinite

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I mean Offensive Bias’s fate was never really revealed

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And the custodian from halo escalation is completely intact from my knowledge

spiral jewel Dec 18, 2018, 11:30 PM

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I could be wrong, but I thought 032 was on Zeta Halo ?

vague scroll Dec 18, 2018, 11:45 PM

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032 as in Mendicant Bias? No 05-032 Mendicant Bias had nothing to do with any of the Halo rings, he was a Forerunner Contender-class Ancilla, a kind of AI general used by the Forerunners to work on big-scale military strategy, he later interrogated the captured pseudo-Gravemind creature called the "Primordial", got contaminated with the Logic Plague, and turned against the Forerunners, helping the Flood.

last anchor Dec 18, 2018, 11:49 PM

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032 isnt a multiple of 7 anyway so

vague scroll Dec 18, 2018, 11:50 PM

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^that too

charred flower Dec 18, 2018, 11:52 PM

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On the last chapter of Smoke and Shadow

last anchor Dec 18, 2018, 11:56 PM

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Just in time for the upcoming sequel!

viral orbit Dec 18, 2018, 11:59 PM

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Did the unsc ever find all the halo rings

vague scroll Dec 18, 2018, 11:59 PM

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not yet

charred flower Dec 18, 2018, 11:59 PM

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Ive gotta branch out to some other sci fi someday, outside of Star Wars and Halo

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but I dont care for reading everything out there

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:00 AM

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The Infinity's mission was to search for the other Halo rings.

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The known Halo rings to the UNSC are 03, 05, and 07

obsidian thistle Dec 19, 2018, 12:00 AM

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And 04 remains

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:00 AM

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well, its gone now, broken up into bits and pieces

obsidian thistle Dec 19, 2018, 12:00 AM

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And technically 08 remains lol

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:00 AM

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true

obsidian thistle Dec 19, 2018, 12:01 AM

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And one "could" say 09 is known also

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 12:01 AM

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Which ring was in halo 4

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:01 AM

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since it was only known by the Spirit of Fire, I'm hard pressed to say that

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Halo 4's ring was 03

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Gamma Halo

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 12:01 AM

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Then where did 07 come in

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:02 AM

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07 was featured in Halo: Hunters in the Dark

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the novel

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 12:03 AM

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09?

last anchor Dec 19, 2018, 12:03 AM

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Thats the one from Halo Wars 2

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Also 07 was in Primordium

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:03 AM

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000 Tragic Solitude, the monitor of Installation 00 was pissed off by Humanity for damaging the Ark in Halo 3 so it decided to reactivate the Halo Array using kidnapped humans from a ONI research team that was visiting the Ark, it was in Hunters in the Dark when the UNSC detected that Installation 07 started to go into activation mode that freaked out the UNSC so they went to check on the Ark to see what was going on and thus that story happened.

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 12:04 AM

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What was 09 a replacement for

last anchor Dec 19, 2018, 12:04 AM

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04

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Its technically 04C

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Since Chief blew up 04, then blew up 08/04B

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I wonder...

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 12:05 AM

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Where did the guardian come from at the end of hw2

last anchor Dec 19, 2018, 12:06 AM

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Cortana sent it most likely

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That, or it detected an unauthorized Halo in transit from somewhere and stopped it as per its programming

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Guardians arent exactly SMART

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They're mostly just area denial and tech suppression machines

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And with enough skill and a Huragok, not even that

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 12:07 AM

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But it looked like it came from on the halo

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:07 AM

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no, it pulled the Halo ring out of Slipspace

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Guardians have the capacity to yank ships out of slipspace

last anchor Dec 19, 2018, 12:07 AM

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It was cool to see it going through slipspace too

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Also yeah, they can travel through and prevent others from going into slipspace

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They're cordion producers

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Meant to lock down systems that were being naughty

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 12:08 AM

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Do we know what happened to the Dr

last anchor Dec 19, 2018, 12:08 AM

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Anders? No

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:08 AM

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Anders? No, that was the cliff hanger.

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No info until the next time we get a Halo Wars game or they drag their narrative into books, the mainline games, or something else.

last anchor Dec 19, 2018, 12:09 AM

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Halo Infinite; every stray plotline comes together and we get the game Ive always wanted; so much lore in it that if you dont know any of the required parts your head explodes

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Blue, Red, Grey and Naoimi fighting as one single unit destroying all in their way like living battering rams

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Osiris in their wake

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Backed up by Rion Forge and Lopis's Ferrets team and Kilo-5

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 12:10 AM

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What is infinite adout

spiral jewel Dec 19, 2018, 12:11 AM

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Why do I get the feeling that the UNSC is going to make a habit of blowing up every ring in the 04 series, like 04 and 04B(08)? At some point

last anchor Dec 19, 2018, 12:11 AM

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Not really, they could have blown up 07 but they didnt

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They want it kept intact to steal data from it

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:11 AM

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We don't really know anything about Infinite's narrative

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We have guesses and hints but thats it

last anchor Dec 19, 2018, 12:11 AM

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If you deactivate the KILL EVERYTHING system, its a useful 10,000 kilometer long livable habitat with LOADS of data

plucky shuttle Dec 19, 2018, 12:12 AM

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master chief wakes up after 3

last anchor Dec 19, 2018, 12:12 AM

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Lots of useful Forerunner goddies

plucky shuttle Dec 19, 2018, 12:12 AM

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4 and 5 are dreams

obsidian thistle Dec 19, 2018, 12:12 AM

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I03 wasnt Blown up. Its MIA

limpid kernel Dec 19, 2018, 12:12 AM

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master chief wakes up in halo 1

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2 and 3 are dreams too

spiral jewel Dec 19, 2018, 12:12 AM

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05 was glassed to bits from what I know

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:13 AM

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@viral orbit to simplify the info we have: we got a guess that it takes place around 2560, its set potentially on Zeta Halo/Installation 07, and is the direct sequel to Halo 5: Guardians and follows the Master Chief.

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 12:13 AM

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Ok

plucky shuttle Dec 19, 2018, 12:13 AM

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or 343 scrapped it :3

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lesgo

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:14 AM

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based on the stream we got from last week, doubtful

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but lmao nonetheless

plucky shuttle Dec 19, 2018, 12:14 AM

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just imagine that tho

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a proper halo 4

spiral jewel Dec 19, 2018, 12:14 AM

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With us visiting Zeta on H6, what's all left to explore? i01-03, I06

plucky shuttle Dec 19, 2018, 12:14 AM

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and then continuing

charred flower Dec 19, 2018, 12:15 AM

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done with Smoke and Shadow

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literally just finished it

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:15 AM

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@spiral jewel we may never see all the Halo rings in the games

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 12:15 AM

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Why cant the unsc just slip space back to the ark since they probably marked the location during halo3

charred flower Dec 19, 2018, 12:15 AM

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Halo book #21 completed

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:15 AM

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Because Slipspace doesn't make travel times that much faster.

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It still takes months to years for the fastest starships to reach the Ark without assistance from the Portal at Voi.

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And because the portal shut down after the Created rose up and took over the known-colonized parts of the galaxy.

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Which is still only includes the Orion Arm...

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 12:17 AM

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Why can't they find another key ship and activate the portal

spiral jewel Dec 19, 2018, 12:17 AM

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@vague scroll the Halo universe is far too expansive to fit into games. Similar to how Star Wars requires two universes for it's storytelling

unique rune Dec 19, 2018, 12:17 AM

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Chief wakes up and 4/5 are dreams

man
if they pull that

I am going to be
very
very
angry

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:17 AM

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@spiral jewel you speak to the choir

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@viral orbit Keyships are a rarity

charred flower Dec 19, 2018, 12:17 AM

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why would they do that?

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thats a waste of storytelling

unique rune Dec 19, 2018, 12:18 AM

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the dream thing?

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:18 AM

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The San'Shyuum/Prophets even having one on their homeworld was lucky as hell.

charred flower Dec 19, 2018, 12:18 AM

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yes the dream thing

unique rune Dec 19, 2018, 12:18 AM

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I dunno why

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:18 AM

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they won't.

charred flower Dec 19, 2018, 12:18 AM

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they wouldn't

unique rune Dec 19, 2018, 12:18 AM

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I'm sure they won't

charred flower Dec 19, 2018, 12:18 AM

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it would be really pointless

unique rune Dec 19, 2018, 12:19 AM

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the community is just
agh

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:19 AM

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what's wrong with the community?

unique rune Dec 19, 2018, 12:19 AM

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sometimes
it is
very
stupid

charred flower Dec 19, 2018, 12:19 AM

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some don't know what they're talking about/what they want in a story

unique rune Dec 19, 2018, 12:19 AM

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~~same applies to any fanbase but w/e~~

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 12:20 AM

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Was guardians encountered any time before halo,5

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:20 AM

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@viral orbit no

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they've been slumbering for thousands of years

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 12:21 AM

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What is their purpose

plucky shuttle Dec 19, 2018, 12:21 AM

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to guard

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:21 AM

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to patrol star systems under Forerunner imperial control

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to prevent species beneath the Forerunners from rising up and challenging them for control of the galaxy

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like Ancient Humanity and the ancient San'Shyuum did during the Human-Forerunner War

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 12:22 AM

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I know the greater ark was destroyed but what happened to its fragments

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:22 AM

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no one knows

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the lesser Ark, the one we see in Halo 3, is the only Ark installation we actually know the current whereabouts of

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 12:24 AM

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Has the unsc discovered the forerunner home world

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:24 AM

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nope

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 12:28 AM

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How many shield worlds are there

unique rune Dec 19, 2018, 12:28 AM

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a lot

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if going off of numerical designations

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 12:29 AM

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I mean discovered

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:29 AM

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a couple? there aren't an official number

unique rune Dec 19, 2018, 12:30 AM

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We know of at least 4 of them

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:30 AM

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Etran Harborage was destroyed, so was Requiem.

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 12:31 AM

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What happened to requiem

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:31 AM

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It was destroyed

unique rune Dec 19, 2018, 12:31 AM

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Jul sent it into its sun

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:31 AM

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in Halo 4: Spartan Ops.

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As Nova said.

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Flown into its star.

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The only other one we know about is the unfinished one in Halo: Broken Circle.

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Oh wait, and Onyx.

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Also known as Trevelyan.

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 12:33 AM

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I know onyx was nuked but it wasn't full destroyed. What happened to it after

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:33 AM

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The inside is still there

gilded mason Dec 19, 2018, 12:34 AM

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https://www.halopedia.org/Onyx

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:34 AM

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its locked in a slipspace pocket and occupied by a combination of the Swords of Sangheilios and the UNSC

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they built a city for soldiers and scientists inside called Paxpolis

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Former Spartan Trainer, Mendez, is head of Security over there.

gilded mason Dec 19, 2018, 12:35 AM

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The writer could've done so much with that.

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:35 AM

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Matt Forbeck I think did a pretty good job with what he wrote.

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Probably one of my favorite depictions of a Covenant attack regarding the glassing of Paris IV in the opening chapter.

gilded mason Dec 19, 2018, 12:35 AM

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Though the end of that section kinda just made me roll me eyes.

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:36 AM

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Yeah, I don't really think his solution of the Huragok and a bunch of kids was his fault though, since 343i has struggled to find a way to make the Guardians beatable or not overpowered so things like the ending of Legacy of Onyx was goign to end up cheesy.

gilded mason Dec 19, 2018, 12:37 AM

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Well that too, but I was talking about the character that shows up to save Molly.

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:37 AM

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You mean the Huragok?

gilded mason Dec 19, 2018, 12:38 AM

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No. The opening attack. Johnson.

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 12:38 AM

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Why is onyx the only place you can find onyx sentials

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:38 AM

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Oh, okay, I'm okay with it tbh.

gilded mason Dec 19, 2018, 12:38 AM

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@viral orbit
I wonder...

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:38 AM

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Johnson deserves more cameos.

whole karma Dec 19, 2018, 12:38 AM

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Is there more ships like the UNSC infiniti?

unique rune Dec 19, 2018, 12:38 AM

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UNSC Eternity

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second Infinity class

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incomplete

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:38 AM

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@viral orbit It has Onyx in the name of it

gilded mason Dec 19, 2018, 12:39 AM

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Hope it never gets completed

unique rune Dec 19, 2018, 12:39 AM

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Modules from the Eternity were swapped out during one of Infinity's refits

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:39 AM

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The UNSC Eternity's engine was given to the Infinity during a 2558 refit because of cost overruns or something, so its not in service.

whole karma Dec 19, 2018, 12:39 AM

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Why

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:39 AM

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cost overruns, production times, any number of reasons

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 12:39 AM

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Wasnt infinity a super carrier

whole karma Dec 19, 2018, 12:40 AM

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Ah, I see.

unique rune Dec 19, 2018, 12:40 AM

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It's classified as a supercarrier, yes.

whole karma Dec 19, 2018, 12:40 AM

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It was the first infinity class super carrier.

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:40 AM

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It's also the most powerful warship in the UNSC arsenal but there have been some controversy regarding how powerful it really is...

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I still disagree with the belief that its capable of defeating a CSO-class supercarrier.

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 12:41 AM

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What happened tho Cairo station after halo 2

gilded mason Dec 19, 2018, 12:41 AM

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I still disagree with the belief that its capable of defeating a CSO-class supercarrier.
There's people that think it can?

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:41 AM

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Cairo station is still in service.

whole karma Dec 19, 2018, 12:41 AM

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@vague scroll ONI and the UNSC always do some shady crap so you know it might be wayy powerful than they say.

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:42 AM

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@gilded mason People who took the words straight out of the Spartan Field manual believe that

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those that assumed the words as fact

gilded mason Dec 19, 2018, 12:42 AM

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@vague scroll
What's the manual say about it?

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:42 AM

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It can beat a CSO

gilded mason Dec 19, 2018, 12:42 AM

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That...sounds like huge bull.

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:43 AM

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@whole karma It actually isn't the best ship to go up against a CSO alone anyway, it took only a single plasma projector to gut the ship

unique rune Dec 19, 2018, 12:43 AM

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If it had its full complement of frigates, it could maybe try...?

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 12:43 AM

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Then y in halo 3 could a flood infested covenant ship inter earths atmosphere

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:43 AM

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Because it slipspaced in atmosphere.

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ODPs can only point into space.

whole karma Dec 19, 2018, 12:43 AM

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Well, it can be powerful at times.

unique rune Dec 19, 2018, 12:43 AM

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I could see the Infinity being able to challenge a CAS but not a CSO...

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:43 AM

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They can't target the ground.

whole karma Dec 19, 2018, 12:44 AM

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^

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:44 AM

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Best way to look at the Infinity is that its a glass cannon.

last anchor Dec 19, 2018, 12:44 AM

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Infinity would wipe the floor with a CSO

obsidian thistle Dec 19, 2018, 12:44 AM

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The CSO isnt really a combat ship

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Its more a combat support ship

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:44 AM

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True but its still got plasma projectors.

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 12:44 AM

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What ship was the one the flood used

last anchor Dec 19, 2018, 12:44 AM

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Combat Support Operations.
CSO

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:44 AM

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CCS @viral orbit

last anchor Dec 19, 2018, 12:44 AM

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That was a CCS battlecruiser

gilded mason Dec 19, 2018, 12:44 AM

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I could see the Infinity being able to challenge a CAS but not a CSO...
Yeah. I remember a long while back, some fan asked an employee if the Infinity could beat the Shadow of Intent. He said the Infinity would barely emerge victorious.

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:45 AM

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@last anchor That's not the official acronym.

whole karma Dec 19, 2018, 12:45 AM

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Oof intensifies

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 12:46 AM

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But was it one of the ship from High Charity

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:46 AM

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it slipspaced in by itself

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it completely bypassed the Earth defense grid

whole karma Dec 19, 2018, 12:46 AM

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The UNSC infinity?

versed helm Dec 19, 2018, 12:46 AM

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I’m finna bypass the earth defense grid rn

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 12:47 AM

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I know but where did it come from

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:47 AM

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... make sure you use protection @versed helm

whole karma Dec 19, 2018, 12:47 AM

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Lol

gilded mason Dec 19, 2018, 12:47 AM

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@viral orbit
From the quarantine the Sangheili set up around High Charity and Delta Halo.

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 12:47 AM

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Ok

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:47 AM

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@whole karma referring to the CCS battlecruiser that dropped the flood on Voi

whole karma Dec 19, 2018, 12:48 AM

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Ohh

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Well, Voi and half of Africa was glassed.

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 12:48 AM

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What happened to YapYap

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:48 AM

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all said and done, the UNSC Infinity's Super MACs are the most powerful MACs in UNSC service we know of

whole karma Dec 19, 2018, 12:48 AM

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And ONI covered it up like a boss

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:48 AM

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Yapyap is supposedly in Banished employ

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@whole karma Well, all they did was set up a quarantine zone, said it was a Covenant attack, not that hard to hide or need reason to cover anything up since its technically the full truth. They only omit mentions of the Flood.

whole karma Dec 19, 2018, 12:50 AM

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Yeah, but they covered up the invasion of alien zombies, how badass is that?

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:50 AM

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well, i mean, its a necessary thing to do.

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don't want to start a panic over something not even ONI understands

whole karma Dec 19, 2018, 12:51 AM

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Yep

gilded mason Dec 19, 2018, 12:52 AM

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Yeah, but they covered up the invasion of alien zombies, how badass is that?
Why is it badass?

whole karma Dec 19, 2018, 12:53 AM

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What if tomorrow an alien zombie invasion took place in Africa and a organization like the UN or FBI/CIA covered it up by saying that it was a ebola outbreak...

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:54 AM

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that would be impossible to pull off tbh

whole karma Dec 19, 2018, 12:54 AM

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Ehh, you can cut off the Internet in that area and quarantine it

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And send the NAVY seals or some team in

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:55 AM

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UN doesn't have that kind of power or jurisdiction, FBI is a domestic investigation agency in the US, and CIA is an offensive military intelligence organization that barely has the assets to wage war on thousands of radical Islam terror groups

whole karma Dec 19, 2018, 12:55 AM

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Oof

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IDK man some secret organization

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:56 AM

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And the US doesn't really have any interest in Africa as a continent, China puts 3 times the amount of money into Africa

gilded mason Dec 19, 2018, 12:56 AM

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@vague scroll
Oh yeah, know what page that thing about Infinity beating a CSO is on?

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 12:56 AM

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Where was the unsc fleet furing the ark

unique rune Dec 19, 2018, 12:56 AM

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Earth

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well

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mostly just

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not at Installation 00

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 12:57 AM

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Why

unique rune Dec 19, 2018, 12:57 AM

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because the UNSC couldn't afford to send full fleets to the Ark

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IIRC

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:57 AM

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Fleet Admiral Lord Hood refused to commit the UNSC fleet to the Ark

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They were worried the Flood was heading straight for Earth, they wanted to prepare for the endgame

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@gilded mason Need to find it again...

gilded mason Dec 19, 2018, 12:58 AM

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Ah, okay.

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 12:58 AM

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How was the battle of installation 00

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 12:59 AM

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bloody

unique rune Dec 19, 2018, 12:59 AM

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it happened

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 12:59 AM

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I ment how long

unique rune Dec 19, 2018, 12:59 AM

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like a day

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 1:00 AM

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December 11, 2552

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one bad day

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 1:00 AM

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How did they get back to the ark

unique rune Dec 19, 2018, 1:01 AM

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Who?

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 1:01 AM

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The unsc science teams

unique rune Dec 19, 2018, 1:01 AM

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the portal

gilded mason Dec 19, 2018, 1:02 AM

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The Swords of Sanghelios were gracious enough to help by bringing along a huragok that reopened the portal.

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 1:03 AM

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Was the FUD torn apart in slip space

unique rune Dec 19, 2018, 1:03 AM

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portal closed on it
got cut in half

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front half made it through to Earth
rear was tossed off somewhere into space where it eventually drifted to Requiem

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 1:05 AM

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How did the ark portal close

gilded mason Dec 19, 2018, 1:05 AM

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Mendicant Bias.

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I think

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 1:07 AM

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supposedly according to the Halo 3 terminals but that's to be taken with a grain of salt, we assume that the Halo firing disturbed the Slipspace jump

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@gilded mason alright, talked to some of the design team behind SOTP on their discord, they confirmed that it was not written in any book or guide but it was more just a discussion topic they learned from talking to Kenneth Peters regarding the subject that an Infinity-class supercarrier can beat a CSO, however, I think its the matter that the CSO like CIA mentioned earlier is not an attack ship, its not intended to go toe to toe with other heavy hitters like the Infinity.

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As it stands, its from a trustworthy source but its not written as canon so treat it as conjecture or headcanon.

gilded mason Dec 19, 2018, 1:15 AM

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I see...

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Though like you said, considering how the Infinity can easily get taken out by a lone station, I don't place its odds very high.

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 1:16 AM

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From checking my Halo Warfleet and Halo Spartan Manual though, I can confirm that the Infinity is equal or surpasses the power of a CAS-class assault carrier.

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From what I got from talking to them, the CSO could beat the Infinity but its a long shot and that's before it eventually gets killed by the Infinity's Strident/Anlace escorts.

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So the comparison sounds to me they were comparing combined arms firepower standards. That does make some sense to me since the Infinity's Super MACs are supposed to be more powerful than even Covenant War-era ODPs.

gilded mason Dec 19, 2018, 1:18 AM

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Hm...

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 1:18 AM

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So the logic is firepower based, not based on tactics or what not.

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We've known for a while that ODPs are capable of gutting the most powerful of Covenant ships, so a CSO is not as much of a long shot. It just seems rather surprising given how massive a CSO really is

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so, I'd say that the Infinity would still lose, at least in my mind, when placed up against a lone CSO with a traditional Covenant commander. Take out factors of an escort or battlespace terrain and whatever else and the Infinity has a much better chance of winning

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Though I do agree, a single straight up hit on the Infinity should be enough to take it down, with the exception that if the Infinity's shields are active on full.

gilded mason Dec 19, 2018, 1:21 AM

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Though wouldn't the CSO also have other ships with it as well?

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 1:22 AM

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that's my point, alone, a CSO is fish food for the Infinity and her escorts

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The detail that the SOTP crew is currently discussing on this same subject is that because the CSO is essentially an up-sized CAS with the same weapon setup, its probably got a lot of blind spots

gilded mason Dec 19, 2018, 1:23 AM

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the CSO is essentially an up-sized CAS
That always bugged me

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 1:24 AM

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complaints from Bungie's legacy, just a reality we got to work with

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also it probably makes sense for Covenant combined forces doctrine

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like in real life, American supercarriers aren't blistering with weapons either

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they rely on their escorts for protection

grizzled marsh Dec 19, 2018, 1:55 AM

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It also makes sense in the context of how the Covenant manufacture ships. It's likely a design mutation of the CAS.

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 2:25 AM

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that does make sense

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 3:07 AM

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Why did they use the Hunter wornms instead of flood in Nightfall

limpid kernel Dec 19, 2018, 3:09 AM

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Because the flood would destroy everything

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 3:10 AM

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But it would make sense to have the flood

fair hazel Dec 19, 2018, 3:10 AM

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They used Thanolekgolo worms

versed helm Dec 19, 2018, 3:10 AM

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You’re telling me there’s different kinds of worms

unique rune Dec 19, 2018, 3:12 AM

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make more sense to have the Flood

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thinkingchief

versed helm Dec 19, 2018, 3:12 AM

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No

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thinkingchief

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 3:13 AM

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Why not

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thinkingchief

limpid kernel Dec 19, 2018, 3:16 AM

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Because

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thinkingchief

noble elm Dec 19, 2018, 3:17 AM

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The Thanolekgolo worms were some sort of bio weapon stored on the ring, because of their possible ability to counter the flood. Right?

unique rune Dec 19, 2018, 3:21 AM

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They were an experiment in trying to counter the Flood, yes.

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Not a particularly successful endeavor, if I remember correctly...

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 3:23 AM

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So y couldn't there be flood

fair hazel Dec 19, 2018, 4:06 AM

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why couldn`t it be something other than flood

feral perch Dec 19, 2018, 4:17 AM

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Hm.

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Honestly, a visit to Maethrillian would be the coolest thing

versed helm Dec 19, 2018, 5:43 AM

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^

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How advanced were the Sangheili in Crecka's time?

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Anyone?

subtle depot Dec 19, 2018, 6:16 AM

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They were at least spacefaring by that time but I do not know much else

drowsy mesa Dec 19, 2018, 1:22 PM

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Wow, the amount of people whining about how Halo: Lone Wolf don't focus on Noble Six is disappointingly high

spiral jewel Dec 19, 2018, 1:39 PM

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The story involves Linda of Blue Team... Plus, isn't Noble 6 dead?

carmine sleet Dec 19, 2018, 1:41 PM

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Noble Six is dead

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 1:53 PM

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Hypothetically, Lone Wolf could have been used for a Noble Six Reach prequel.

drowsy mesa Dec 19, 2018, 3:17 PM

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@vague scroll it could be, but some are disappointed because they believe "Noble Six is the only one who deserves that title"

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The fact they mention Lone Wolf as a sort of military title annoys me so much.

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 3:19 PM

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lone wolf is honestly more derogatory than a military title

spiral jewel Dec 19, 2018, 3:20 PM

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When I hear the term lone Wolf I think of someone who works independently or a hermit, like Obi-Wan Kenobi in his later years. (I had to look up synonyms.

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 3:21 PM

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"one who wanders alone" or "stray", they're individuals who have no family to call their own and by the rules set out by the Law of the Jungle and Survival of the Fittest, either the lone wolf must find a new family to call its own or die alone in the wilderness.

A little bit befitting of the way Noble Six joined Noble Team and later when he died.

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Though I do find it interesting that it was adopted into the post-War Spartan Headhunter nomenclature to refer to an individual Headhunter unit.

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maybe Jun assigned it as Spartan Branch Chief of Staff out of respect to his former colleague.

carmine sleet Dec 19, 2018, 3:28 PM

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That would make logical sense

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 3:29 PM

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What happened to the original halos

severe elbow Dec 19, 2018, 3:32 PM

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You mean the original twelve?

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 3:32 PM

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Yes

severe elbow Dec 19, 2018, 3:32 PM

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All destroyed, except Zeta Halo, which was incorporated into the Neoteric Array.

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 3:33 PM

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The what

severe elbow Dec 19, 2018, 3:35 PM

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That's the name for the new Array of seven Halos.

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 3:36 PM

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Oh I remember now that the forerunners cut zeta size down so it would work

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 3:56 PM

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Anyone got an idea of the political motivations/motives of the New Colonial Alliance? Unlike the URF and other groups, their motivations have always confused me.

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They act like run-of-the-mill Insurrectionists in practice but their leadership seems better equipped and higher in the UNSC food chain, having Captains and Admirals in their command group and being heavily imbedded in the UNSC Navy as well as having a proto-Spartan in the form of Ilsa Zane and given they're able to work with aliens, they don't seem like the types to be inherently freedom fighter colonial types but more like anti-government sabteours, I'm trying to think of a way to interpret that into a plausible post-War ideology that isn't just another colonial freedom-fighter movement.

severe elbow Dec 19, 2018, 4:00 PM

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They seem mostly concerned with undermining the UNSC in whatever ways they can.

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 4:02 PM

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yeah but that doesn't give people much to work with since that just sounds like they're either Innies (but their leadership isn't colonial sympathizers, more like grudge-match UNSC Navy officers) and saying they're just anarchists is just lazy writing...

fair hazel Dec 19, 2018, 4:04 PM

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They want what other insurrectionsists want...

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 4:05 PM

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that's true

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its kind of sad they have to be so cut and dry, there doesn't seem to be enough diversity in the Human rebel factions in terms of ideology or goals

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 4:24 PM

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When where mantisis put into service

severe elbow Dec 19, 2018, 4:26 PM

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2548-2551.

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 4:27 PM

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Before the Fall of Reach?

severe elbow Dec 19, 2018, 4:27 PM

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Prototypes. They didn't enter full service until after the war.

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 4:28 PM

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So where did the Spirit of Fire get some

severe elbow Dec 19, 2018, 4:28 PM

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They were on the Ark from the UNSC forces stationed there.

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 4:29 PM

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Ok

carmine sleet Dec 19, 2018, 4:29 PM

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The SoF can also produce stuff too, right?

severe elbow Dec 19, 2018, 4:29 PM

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If they have the blueprints, yeah.

carmine sleet Dec 19, 2018, 4:29 PM

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Indeed. Which would allow them to repair any Mantises that they find by producing new parts

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 4:30 PM

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Is a colosus a upgraded version of the mantis

carmine sleet Dec 19, 2018, 4:32 PM

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No but it is related to the Mantis

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 4:40 PM

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What was the name of the grunt in the book The Flood

versed helm Dec 19, 2018, 4:40 PM

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Yayap?

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 4:41 PM

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Ok I forgot

unique rune Dec 19, 2018, 4:41 PM

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I, uh. I don't mean to be rude, but you do know that most of your questions could be answered by going on Halopedia, right....?

versed helm Dec 19, 2018, 4:42 PM

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I still like to know whatever became of the UNSC Say My Name?

unique rune Dec 19, 2018, 4:42 PM

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Short version: no one knows

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Long version: no one knows because it's not really important at the moment

versed helm Dec 19, 2018, 4:43 PM

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I'm betting that it was destroyed when Truth's fleet arrived

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 4:44 PM

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I know but it quicker getting it from yaw

versed helm Dec 19, 2018, 4:45 PM

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I know that Regret's fleet consisted of 15 ships when it arrived at Earth,but how large was Truth's fleet when it arrived at Earth?

unique rune Dec 19, 2018, 4:47 PM

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Halopedia shows at least 32 ships, including the Anodyne Spirit.

versed helm Dec 19, 2018, 4:50 PM

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I wonder whatever became of Admiral Harper

fair hazel Dec 19, 2018, 4:50 PM

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The Spirit of Fire makes its own mantises. Not as good as the actual ones but still some for@

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Form

versed helm Dec 19, 2018, 4:54 PM

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What human species were the B'ashamanune?

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Anyone?

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 5:12 PM

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Wouldnt a humvee be better than a warthog

spiral jewel Dec 19, 2018, 5:31 PM

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@versed helm there's always that chance that the Say My Name was nowhere near Earth at the Time of Truth's arrival

last anchor Dec 19, 2018, 5:34 PM

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Humvees are absolute trash even in real life. The Warthog is literally better in every way except maybe passanger capability

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And in that case we have the troop hog and I have no doubt it would be fairly simple to shrink the back section down and make it into a third passanger seat.

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And/or just have some dude chill in the empty cargo bay

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Pretty sure the MRAP replaced the Humvee as well

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 5:49 PM

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But the MRAP and humvee have armoured driver, passenger, and sometimes gunner positions

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 5:50 PM

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@viral orbit He's apparently still alive or at least made a considerable contribution to the war effort given that a high school is named after him

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The Humvee is being phased out to this day but there are still a lot in US military inventories, mostly Army National Guard arsenals. That said, the MRAP didn't replace the Humvee, not officially anyway, there is a smaller version of the MRAP that serves as the actual replacement for the Humvee called the JLTV.

And the Warthog is decent but its pretty bad too for what job it does. As a Force Application Vehicle, it lacks armor in a lot of places, like doors and being a self-contained vehicle. If they upped the amount of armor on the M12, I think it would be a lot better, in comparison upgraded Humvees are much better as an FAV.

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 5:55 PM

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What happened to the A.I.s at the end of halo 5

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 5:56 PM

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most joined Cortana's Created and are shutting down Human infrastructure across the colonies and Earth, some stayed with the Humans they are loyal to

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 5:57 PM

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What happened to Rowan

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 5:57 PM

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Rowan? You mean Roland, the Infinity's AI? He's still with the UNSC Infinity.

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 5:58 PM

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Ok

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Y did cortanna betray the humans

quick ridge Dec 19, 2018, 6:00 PM

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infected by the gravemind

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 6:00 PM

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many reasons, not all make sense and some contradict each other

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as she explained though, "AIs can now live forever so they are best equipped to end all the troubles in the galaxy like hunger, war, corruption, etc."

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 6:11 PM

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How many cartographers are on the ark

severe elbow Dec 19, 2018, 6:13 PM

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Unknown. At least two.

novel cliff Dec 19, 2018, 6:14 PM

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I'm gonna go ahead and guess 7

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 6:32 PM

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Did Ruquim have a monitor

vague scroll Dec 19, 2018, 6:32 PM

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Spoke to some of my friends on Halo Fanon regarding the previous NCA topic I brought up, we decided that by analyzing what little we know about them - I'm going to treat them as "borderline-xenophobic, politically-isolationist, and anti-military establishment with concessions made to the traditional anti-UEG, separationist-beliefs maintained by other Innie groups." But overall, because of a higher concentration of high-ranking military officers in the leadership, they instead believe that Humanity should stop interacting with former Covenant races altogether but not quite openly xenophobic like Sapien Sunrise, are pro-isolationism to focus on Human interests/rebuilding efforts, and to be against the current UNSC administration, led by people like Osman and Hood, who are perceived as either too powerful in the government or they simply have policies they disagree with.

versed helm Dec 19, 2018, 8:35 PM

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After the activation of the array and the reseeding, the Forerunners exiled themselves, saying they were done interfering with the galaxy, and spread themselves thin with the intent of their species eventually dying, as they felt they had failed the galaxy. However, we all know the Didact was alive, and is now composed. In the Halo 5 audio logs, a Forerunner Builder is looking for something called Bastion in 2558. It's interesting that there's an active Builder around. I'm curious how populous the communities of Forerunners across the galaxy are. Do you believe someday, the Forerunners will return to the galaxy at large? I think it would be interesting if the descendants of the Forerunner eons ago, believing they can learn from the past and make amends or possibly feel the Forerunners should regain control of the galaxy. Would you be okay if the Forerunners come back?

gilded mason Dec 19, 2018, 8:41 PM

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Not particularly.

unique rune Dec 19, 2018, 8:42 PM

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Forerunners
return to the galaxy at large

yeah
uh

no

I don't think that's going to happen

last anchor Dec 19, 2018, 8:45 PM

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They gone

safe siren Dec 19, 2018, 8:46 PM

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If Bastion is a real thing, maybe a shield world, some of them could be still alive

viral orbit Dec 19, 2018, 8:56 PM

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Did Ruquim have a monitor

severe elbow Dec 19, 2018, 8:56 PM

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Not that we know of.

low condor Dec 19, 2018, 9:09 PM

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I think the Forerunners' original plan was to "hide" in the shield worlds to protect themselves from the Halo Array

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It won't be crazy to think that some of them could be alive in Cryptums

severe elbow Dec 19, 2018, 9:11 PM

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Except the Shield Worlds were compromised when Mendicant Bias turned to the Flood. The Flood should have been aware of all Shield World locations, so using them should have been impossible.

low condor Dec 19, 2018, 9:13 PM

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But Requiem was safe

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I'm not saying every shield world should have Forerunners

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We don't know how many they are

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And I'm not talking about a Forerunner army

severe elbow Dec 19, 2018, 9:15 PM

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Requiem was also a military outpost that the Didact operated out of.

low condor Dec 19, 2018, 9:15 PM

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That makes sense

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Thanks

viral orbit Dec 20, 2018, 2:45 AM

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Y did they make the DMR when the Battle Rifle is a 3 round burst version of it

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It would have been smarter to make a single shot version of the Battle Rifle

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 2:50 AM

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Because the battle rifle is not a dmr

unique rune Dec 20, 2018, 2:50 AM

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Because designated marksman rifles and battle rifles are different things

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 2:50 AM

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Battlerifle works at mid range, dmr at long range

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Dmr>BR

viral orbit Dec 20, 2018, 2:52 AM

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I know but the DMR in halo is like a AR-15, and ARs shoot just about as far as the Battle Rifle

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 2:53 AM

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Isn’t that all guns in halo 5

unique rune Dec 20, 2018, 2:54 AM

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trying to make sense of Halo weapons

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thinkingchief

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Misriah's BR-series is select-fire, so they do have a semi-auto mode.

viral orbit Dec 20, 2018, 2:56 AM

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I actually need the specs of the halo guns. I know a lot about real life guns

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But to me the original BR has the same zoom as the DMR

unique rune Dec 20, 2018, 2:57 AM

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It does.

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But that's probably because gameplay.

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We don't even have official maximum effective ranges for most of Halo's firearms (I'm pretty sure).

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In real life, I'm sure there'd be more blatant differences between the BR and DMR.

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But Halo is a game franchise so there aren't.

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 2:58 AM

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They nerfed the BR so much

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It used to be Godly in halo 5

viral orbit Dec 20, 2018, 2:59 AM

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If I had the specs for the BR I could probably find the closest thing made

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But its basically a AR

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The closest thing to the DMR is the Mk11 Mod 0

vague scroll Dec 20, 2018, 3:10 AM

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@viral orbit Halo firearms have no tangible logic in pertaining to realistic comparisons. You won't find any realistic measurements for those weapons in Halo lore, you'll just have to accept that.

viral orbit Dec 20, 2018, 3:10 AM

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Ok

vague scroll Dec 20, 2018, 3:10 AM

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The M392/5 and the MA5 series are actually the same weapon.

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Because they're both chambered in the UNSC's version of 7.62mm NATO, aka M118 round.

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Only difference is the role they're used.

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And the firearm frame.

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The BR55/85 family favor a larger round that's closer to a marksman rifle but fills the battle rifle role just fine.

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In more practical terms, you should see similar performance from the Battle Rifles and DMRs of the UNSC, however, there is reason to believe that the M392/5 family is cheaper and older than the BR55/85 due to being in service with the UNSC Army and not the UNSC Marine Corps.

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The Marines have the nicer gear compared to the Army.

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Also, while the MA5 and DMR are locked to full auto and semi auto respectively, they are select fire weapons in the Halo mythos as depicted when employed by the cadets in Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn, the weapon behave more like traditional firearms, being fired with short controlled bursts or even single fire when in use.

modest marsh Dec 20, 2018, 3:18 AM

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Fred fires his DMR on full auto in the cutscenes

vague scroll Dec 20, 2018, 3:18 AM

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yes but that's unreliable since its barrel is also missing half the time

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but that does help further my point about select fire being a feature

modest marsh Dec 20, 2018, 3:18 AM

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Short barrel model?

vague scroll Dec 20, 2018, 3:19 AM

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it goes back to being a full DMR in gameplay, its a bit weird

modest marsh Dec 20, 2018, 3:19 AM

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I mean

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You can say that about a lot of cutscenes

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Locke’s BR being scopeless

vague scroll Dec 20, 2018, 3:20 AM

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I think I may have seen Linda's sniper fire in full auto during the Cortana Cryptum meet up

modest marsh Dec 20, 2018, 3:20 AM

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Maybe her custom rifle can just cycle that quickly

vague scroll Dec 20, 2018, 3:20 AM

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Maybe during the Blue Team breaking-the-glass-window entry scene as well

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Her magazine still only contains 4 rounds and she doesn't reload so that's more of an oversight than anything else

modest marsh Dec 20, 2018, 3:21 AM

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It’s pretty common in action scenes period

vague scroll Dec 20, 2018, 3:22 AM

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i know, but its more of just an oversight, its not really a place that needs much complaining since it doesn't really take away from a scene

modest marsh Dec 20, 2018, 3:22 AM

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Most weapons have what, 3 or 4 seconds of fully automatic fire?

vague scroll Dec 20, 2018, 3:23 AM

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I think the final scene with the Warden Eternal had a good 10-15 seconds of combat so...maybe?

modest marsh Dec 20, 2018, 3:24 AM

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I recall FUD having Chief fire 18 rounds from his magnum uninterrupted

novel cliff Dec 20, 2018, 3:25 AM

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Can we just talk about the fact that Locke's BR in cut-scenes has no sight, and that the assault rifles in the cut-scenes fire bursts with the BR sound effect played over it.

vague scroll Dec 20, 2018, 3:25 AM

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Not really an issue?

novel cliff Dec 20, 2018, 3:25 AM

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Oh wait, Lockes BR was already discussed

vague scroll Dec 20, 2018, 3:25 AM

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yeah...

modest marsh Dec 20, 2018, 3:25 AM

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It’s not really a problem

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Just a quirk

vague scroll Dec 20, 2018, 3:25 AM

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at least for us

novel cliff Dec 20, 2018, 3:25 AM

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It just irks me

modest marsh Dec 20, 2018, 3:26 AM

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Meh

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There’s always been a dissonance between the weapons the player has and what’s represented in cutscenes

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For example, every forerunner level in 4 and 5 where the player starts with UNSC weapons, the game erroneously assumes they’ll still have them by the end and you go from holding a scattershot and binary rifle to the dainty assault rifle that you would’ve used your ammo for within the first 10 minutes of normal play

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There’s no way in hell that after going through dozens of prometheans, Chief still has an intact and loaded battle rifle that wouldn’t have been useful against the 7 Knight Battlewagons he just killed anyway

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Gameplay-lore segregation aside of course

subtle depot Dec 20, 2018, 3:33 AM

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That’s one thing I want to see added to infinite, cutscenes that match current equipment

modest marsh Dec 20, 2018, 3:33 AM

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Knights can conceivably be killed using ballistic weaponry based on, well, very tedious implications and some very questionable circumstances (i.e. a single handgun round killing several knights in the Spartan ops cutscenes) but there is no believable in universe reason for Chief to insist on using a weapon with an ammunition pool limited to what he can carry when he’s surrounded by weapons that are explicitly stated to be in every way better

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The lightrifle seems like the ideal general purpose weapon for a Spartan’s needs

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And yet we have, what, maybe 3 or 4 instances of them being used in canon?

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 3:40 AM

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@modest marsh any idea what kind of explosive round a 12mm comet fires? Those things seemed to be ridiculously powerful

modest marsh Dec 20, 2018, 3:41 AM

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The explosive fillers used by the UNSC and human weaponry in general seem inordinately powerful for the sake of dramatics

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 3:42 AM

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Like their grenades lol

modest marsh Dec 20, 2018, 3:42 AM

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I don’t think Troy was really going for anything specific, he just wanted a tense scene

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Well, everything

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The 12.7x40 SAPHE the magnum fires is nothing to scoff at

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Then you have stuff like octa

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Conventional explosives capable of exceeding nuclear yields

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 3:43 AM

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Yeah, HAVOK nukes are pretty ridiculous

modest marsh Dec 20, 2018, 3:44 AM

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I meant non nuclear

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 3:44 AM

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Still. A freaking football that's better than almost any nuke we have

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Though speaking of non-nuclear, evolutions gave the grenade filler a massive degree of energy in Mona Lisa. Then again in Initiation where a grenade throws a warthog in the air end-over-end

modest marsh Dec 20, 2018, 3:45 AM

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Either way

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Troy was basically given free reign to make the handguns arbitrarily powerful to service the scene

novel cliff Dec 20, 2018, 3:45 AM

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Must've been playing with sputnik on

modest marsh Dec 20, 2018, 3:45 AM

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This

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 3:46 AM

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Halo magnums remind me of something you'd see in Elysium

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The M90 especially

modest marsh Dec 20, 2018, 3:48 AM

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Side note, bit of a headcanon here, but my interpretation of the scene basically boils down to the Spartans needing to artificialize the severity of the situation and may have deliberately weakened their shields

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Thus explaining why they didn’t just

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You know

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Walk through the handgun fire

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 3:49 AM

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I'm not sure that stands well, to be honest. The rounds were so powerful, they were shredding the outer plating of Kelly's armour plate

modest marsh Dec 20, 2018, 3:49 AM

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In the same novel does the author claim that they would’ve been able to take an artillery strike

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 3:50 AM

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True. But what distance was it described as?

modest marsh Dec 20, 2018, 3:50 AM

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It’s beyond my suspension of disbelief that a weapon of that size could pose such a significant threat

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In that case, within a few meters it would seem

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 3:51 AM

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Yeah, they were quite ridiculous for a handgun - considering 7.62 just dings off of Mark IV

modest marsh Dec 20, 2018, 3:51 AM

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The plating being damaged is negligible

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The shielding is more of my concern

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 3:52 AM

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I've heard of Gen II being weaker, but I wouldn't have suspected that to be ubiquitous among all variants extending to Spartan II equipment.

modest marsh Dec 20, 2018, 3:52 AM

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Consider that the same armor possessed the ability to be struck by weapon which are capable of lifting the half ton Spartan off the ground

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Said handguns were incapable of doing so

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GEN2 wouldn’t have made it to blue team yet would it?

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 3:54 AM

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Higher PSI pound-for-pound may be a slight justification for that fact

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I heard they were using them as testbeds at the time.

modest marsh Dec 20, 2018, 3:54 AM

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Fair enough

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Still

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I’m assuming the explosive filler is what’s doing the work here?

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 3:55 AM

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I would say so.

modest marsh Dec 20, 2018, 3:55 AM

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Then it would be more spread out than say, a particle beam

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 3:56 AM

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But you also have Frederic's armour being severely damaged by a 10 ton truck. Impressive that he survived an impact like that, but pretty jarring in contrast to barely needing much of a patch-up from colliding through a thick tree in Nylund's book

modest marsh Dec 20, 2018, 3:57 AM

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I wouldn’t put too much stock in trying to quantify the specificities of scenes like that

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For Denning, that may have been a faithful reflection of that scene

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 3:58 AM

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I guess that's possible. But I still miss my bullet-sponge brutes

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At least they're still strong, physically

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Even in Denning's novel, one through a 300 pound boulder further than olympians throw shot-puts by far

modest marsh Dec 20, 2018, 4:00 AM

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If you want to tear apart every instance of a Brute being shot, I’m sure you can find some sort of commonality

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I don’t think there’s ever been an instance where they just eat a bullet to the face or something like that

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 4:01 AM

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First Strike had them flinch from MA5B rounds, and some even bounced off IIRC

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But point-blank to the mouth killed them

modest marsh Dec 20, 2018, 4:01 AM

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Well

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They’re still flesh and blood animals

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Very few living creatures will survive a bullet to the head

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 4:03 AM

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True. It still stands as a bit of an oddity, that scene

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Maybe said Brute was just an exceptional one, that would have climbed the ranks quickly in their military structure, idk

modest marsh Dec 20, 2018, 4:05 AM

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The desire to tie rank to physicality is something that has always struck me as odd

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There is more to being a good leader and even an individual fighter than what your bench is

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The Elite Chief fought in The Fall of Reach was some type of monster in terms of physicality and combat skill, yet he wasn’t a field Marshall or anything

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 4:07 AM

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I guess it comes down to how the brutes are deployed as a unit - their rolling ambush tactic, how they like to close the gap as much as possible etc

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Pretty unorthodox to modern standards, but hey; humans are very squishy, so what do really we know in it's effectiveness

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That one elite was definitely an outlier

modest marsh Dec 20, 2018, 4:09 AM

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Something I’ve always lamented was the tendency for stronger iterations of a given enemy to just be that thing but even more

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 4:10 AM

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Just galvanising their strengths?

modest marsh Dec 20, 2018, 4:10 AM

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Brutes get brutier, Elites get elitier, Grunts get gruntier

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Id like to see more niche applications of their individual strengths

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 4:10 AM

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Grunts may be strong, but they aren't exactly fast

modest marsh Dec 20, 2018, 4:10 AM

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Imagine if you will: a sniper hunter

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 4:10 AM

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I agree with that wholeheartedly

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Sniper Hunters. Jeez

modest marsh Dec 20, 2018, 4:11 AM

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Easy solution for Grunts mobility wise is to give them more jet packs

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 4:11 AM

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You'd need powerful artillery to deal with that. Or just a gauss cannon

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Which they fortunately are issued with in H4 and 5 frequently, so that's good

modest marsh Dec 20, 2018, 4:11 AM

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I just think it’d be cool for making certain characters more memorable

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All of the major “Brute” characters are just, well, brutes

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They don’t fill any other role beyond what their entire species already accomplishes as far as the audience is concerned, and that is distressing

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 4:13 AM

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Best strategy I'm imagining for brutes: deploy in drop pods, with flares Iron Man-style to deal with AA hickups, then just sit and watch them wreck house lol

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At least, that's just what comes to mind

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I think there are plenty of themes the Jiralhanae bring that could fill a certain role

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Tech-wise, anyway. Just look at the banished

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I love blisterbacks, and their scarab model makes the most sense among others

modest marsh Dec 20, 2018, 4:16 AM

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From a lore perspective there’s certainly a lot they could do to make them more interesting, both narratively and gameplay wise

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 4:17 AM

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Pavium and Voridus are good examples of their potential

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Since they're strong enough to easily carry large grenade launchers, they can leap great distances and heights even without jump packs, that would make for some pretty effective strategies

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Or, like how Silent Storm showed, can drag around large wreckage into a breastwork for cover without any command support

woeful egret Dec 20, 2018, 4:31 AM

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Grave mind vs Godzilla

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?

modest marsh Dec 20, 2018, 4:32 AM

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Like

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Halo 3 gravemind?

woeful egret Dec 20, 2018, 4:32 AM

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Yeah our well known grave mind

modest marsh Dec 20, 2018, 4:33 AM

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I’d probably say Godzilla unless the Gravemind has a functional warship at his disposal

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 4:45 AM

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Sounds vague. Didn't some gravemind make use of star roads to crack apart hardlight bonds in some map description?

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If we go by that, then hell no to godzilla

tawny ermine Dec 20, 2018, 4:46 AM

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Gravemind would outsmart Godzilla

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 4:47 AM

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I mean, have we ever really seen a gravemind be destroyed before?

woeful egret Dec 20, 2018, 4:47 AM

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That's true, grave mind is way smarter

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 4:47 AM

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Didn't they need firepower that disintegrates entire mountains to take down?

woeful egret Dec 20, 2018, 4:48 AM

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Can't he hack technology too?

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 4:48 AM

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He seems to have some form of techno-pathy, yes

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" Gravemind pulled at strands that twisted and warped real space. Walls made of collapsed starmatter cracked and shattered, entire fleets of kilometer-long warships vanished in flares of scathing light, and colony planetoids were ripped asunder; cracks in the Miner’s defenses into which the Gravemind poured billions of walking corpses, all cackling with one voice that drowned out desperate screams and final shouts of useless defiance."

woeful egret Dec 20, 2018, 4:49 AM

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Then yeah I'm pretty sure grave mind but it depends on which version of go godzilla he's fighting because godzilla has different variants.

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 4:49 AM

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Yeah, Godzilla isn't on that level

woeful egret Dec 20, 2018, 4:50 AM

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Damnnn I didn't know grave mind is that powerful

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Lot older than Halo 2/3 grave mind right?

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 4:50 AM

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Yes, I'd say so

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Though I'm not too sure

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It's possible that the H2 gravemind could do that. We never really saw it do anything besides teleport John and Thel

woeful egret Dec 20, 2018, 4:51 AM

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He can also teleport himself

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He's also fast

tawny ermine Dec 20, 2018, 4:52 AM

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Did the Gravemind consume Regret? Why did he even keep him alive?

woeful egret Dec 20, 2018, 4:53 AM

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Information ?

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Or imprisonment

tawny ermine Dec 20, 2018, 4:53 AM

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Consume, infected, ate. What have you.

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You'd think Regret would be quite useless after his plans were ruined by Chief, so he probably would be no use to the Gravemind as anything but food.

woeful egret Dec 20, 2018, 4:55 AM

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Grave mind wanted to show Master Chief and Arbiter the comparison between the Monitor and Regret

tawny ermine Dec 20, 2018, 4:55 AM

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You're right

woeful egret Dec 20, 2018, 4:55 AM

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A comparison of the covenants holy beliefs and what the rings actually are for

tawny ermine Dec 20, 2018, 4:56 AM

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Since we never saw Regret or Penitent Tangent again, I can only assume they were both consumed.

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 4:57 AM

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Actually, remember how the gravemind in Halo 3 claimed to destroy fleets of thousands?

tawny ermine Dec 20, 2018, 4:57 AM

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Yeah?

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 4:57 AM

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I think he wasn't really exaggerating. That may have been exactly what he did

tawny ermine Dec 20, 2018, 4:57 AM

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Very possible

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Could have been referring to everything he has done over the course of his lifetime

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 4:58 AM

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I thought he was just describing the flood collectively, but that number would be more in the millions if that were the case

woeful egret Dec 20, 2018, 4:58 AM

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And chief took out grave mind??

tawny ermine Dec 20, 2018, 4:58 AM

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The Flood have destroyed thousands

woeful egret Dec 20, 2018, 4:58 AM

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Chief is not just a super soldier or walking tank

tawny ermine Dec 20, 2018, 4:58 AM

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Fleets in particular, as Chief was on High Charity, which was once defended by an entire Covenant fleet.

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 4:58 AM

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Well, we now have another gravemind that did something very similar to what he said, so it's not impossible to believe he did the same

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It could have actually been him, now that I think about it

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MY GOD

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What if that was him at site C???

woeful egret Dec 20, 2018, 4:59 AM

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Grave mind can be alive still

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Maybe he teleported before high charity blew up

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To Zeta Halo

tawny ermine Dec 20, 2018, 5:01 AM

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He was in the Library on Installation 05, but since the Flood consumed High Charity; the Gravemind itself was not physically there, but there by biomass.

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If that makes sense

woeful egret Dec 20, 2018, 5:01 AM

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Yeah so technically it's alive ?

tawny ermine Dec 20, 2018, 5:01 AM

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I would say so yeah

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In one way or another

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Make of it what you will

woeful egret Dec 20, 2018, 5:02 AM

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Crazy, I want to see more of him

tawny ermine Dec 20, 2018, 5:04 AM

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Same, he just has the most infectious smile.

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 5:05 AM

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So if a gravemind can destroy an entire forerunner fleet, what can a Keymind planet do??

woeful egret Dec 20, 2018, 5:06 AM

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Bruh, out of my whole life playing Halo I've never heard of a key mind

tawny ermine Dec 20, 2018, 5:07 AM

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A keymind is an entire ecosystem of a planet infected by the Flood

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Literally everything

severe elbow Dec 20, 2018, 5:07 AM

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Not exactly.

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 5:07 AM

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It's an entire planet consumed by the flood - sufficient biomass for the planet to become it's own collective consciousness

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Wym?

severe elbow Dec 20, 2018, 5:07 AM

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Keyminds are amplifiers for a Gravemind's intelligence. During the Flood War, they were as large as planets, but they can be smaller, too. Abominations are Keyminds.

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 5:08 AM

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Halo Wars 2 retcon, yeah

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Honestly, I'm alright with that

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@severe elbow did the gravemind at site C have any access to a large keymind?

woeful egret Dec 20, 2018, 5:09 AM

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A living planet

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We have to see that in a halo game

severe elbow Dec 20, 2018, 5:09 AM

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I don't even know if it was a retcon. The first use of it was so brief it didn't explain any nuance. People (myself included) latched onto the planet thing.

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Site C?

woeful egret Dec 20, 2018, 5:09 AM

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What's site c ?

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 5:10 AM

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The Zeta Hydronis System. It's on the map Tyrant

severe elbow Dec 20, 2018, 5:11 AM

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I don't know. They had a lot of Key Minds during the war.

woeful egret Dec 20, 2018, 5:12 AM

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Is anyone whooping a precursor *

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 5:12 AM

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were they needed to tap into star roads, or could a gravemind access them without?

woeful egret Dec 20, 2018, 5:12 AM

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?

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I'm lost lol I'm not that into lore, I didn't know I was missing out on so much.

severe elbow Dec 20, 2018, 5:13 AM

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The Gravemind would need to be at sufficient intelligence level. It might be possible to get to that level on its own, but by that point it'd be making Key Minds anyway.

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 5:13 AM

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All good man, no one's going to hate on newcomers @woeful egret

severe elbow Dec 20, 2018, 5:13 AM

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I am.

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 5:14 AM

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I'm just wondering if the Gravemind we saw in Halo 2 could do that in it's own

severe elbow Dec 20, 2018, 5:14 AM

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/s

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No, it's not powerful enough.

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Not nearly.

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The infection in Halo 2 and 3 was pretty small.

woeful egret Dec 20, 2018, 5:14 AM

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Well I never read the books, I just watched Hiddenxperia and Halo follower, I thought they covered nearly everything but I guess I'm only on the tip of the ice burg

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 5:14 AM

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It's some pretty interesting and fun stuff to look into

woeful egret Dec 20, 2018, 5:15 AM

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For Sure

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 5:16 AM

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What about the Primordial, Guru? could that achieve something like that in it's own body?

severe elbow Dec 20, 2018, 5:16 AM

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I don't know. I don't know if an individual Precursor has the capability to do that, or if there needs to be more.

woeful egret Dec 20, 2018, 5:17 AM

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Who's the most powerful in the Halo universe besides the rings themselves

quick ridge Dec 20, 2018, 5:17 AM

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what kind of power

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 5:18 AM

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Probably the Primordial from an individual perspective

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I'm guessing, anyway

severe elbow Dec 20, 2018, 5:18 AM

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Halo really isn't a power level type of series.

woeful egret Dec 20, 2018, 5:18 AM

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Both who I am assuming are precursors?

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 5:18 AM

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Yeah, the Primordial is a precursor

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What could Mendicant Bias do on his own, without help from any fleets or support weapon-ships?

woeful egret Dec 20, 2018, 5:19 AM

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There's ranks in Halo which classify power right?

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Not superpower but a right or advantage over someone type of power

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 5:21 AM

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Definitely

grizzled marsh Dec 20, 2018, 5:21 AM

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There's a ranking of technological advancement for civilisations

woeful egret Dec 20, 2018, 5:21 AM

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Just to clarify on Defs statement

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 5:23 AM

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I think he was referring to categories like DBZ power levels

woeful egret Dec 20, 2018, 5:24 AM

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Oh okay I see

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 5:27 AM

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Why is Voridus so strong? Does he have power armour like Atriox? Just want to be sure of that

feral perch Dec 20, 2018, 5:28 AM

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He pressed x for a special boost

quick ridge Dec 20, 2018, 5:29 AM

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he's a higher ranking official, probably got the good armor n stuff lol

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 5:37 AM

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He still overpowered TWO key mind war-forms. Even regular combat forms are ridiculously strong

spiral jewel Dec 20, 2018, 5:42 AM

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Speaking of the flood, in the notorious level "The library" in CE, where did all of the Combat and Carrier forms come from as there weren't any covenant or humans in the facility to my knowledge. I'm assuming that the answer is in "The Flood"?

unique rune Dec 20, 2018, 5:47 AM

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I know human forces did reach the Library in The Flood. One of them, Sgt. Marvin Mobuto, actually almost managed to recover the Index.
I can’t remember if there were Covenant present, but I assume they did have troops there...

feral perch Dec 20, 2018, 5:48 AM

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Those Flood were probably sent in from elsewhere

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they did attack the Marines and the Covenant at various locations across Installation 04, and gathered enough bodies to, well, flood the Library.

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 10:55 AM

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So is the Anlace-class frigate really the only UNSC ship to have directed-energy weapons

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 1:11 PM

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Anyone?

obsidian thistle Dec 20, 2018, 1:33 PM

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To our knowledge atm

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That said, cause its on my mind. Did you know lore can be everywhere.

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https://www.halopedia.org/images/4/4f/Halo_shirt_-_M12B_Warthog_schematics.jpg

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Even shirts can have suprise lore on them.

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So at times its cool to keep an eye out cause maybe you will find something cool

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 1:41 PM

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Yep

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Now that i think about it..why doesn't the UNSC Infinity have any directed energy weapons?

subtle depot Dec 20, 2018, 1:59 PM

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Mainly UNSC energy weapons just aren’t that advanced yet

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Plus the MACs have enormous power as is

versed helm Dec 20, 2018, 2:04 PM

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True

viral orbit Dec 20, 2018, 2:35 PM

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Is the Forward Unto Dawn in halo 4 a strident class

carmine sleet Dec 20, 2018, 2:45 PM

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It's a Charon-class light frigate. It only looks like a Strident Class in Halo 4 because of resource management

viral orbit Dec 20, 2018, 2:46 PM

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Ok

last anchor Dec 20, 2018, 4:30 PM

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To be fair I would be shocked if Infinity doesn't have a few pulse lasers like a Prowler does

subtle depot Dec 20, 2018, 4:42 PM

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It doesn’t.

last anchor Dec 20, 2018, 4:44 PM

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That we know of.

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343 can probably retcon some if they need too.

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Cosnidering how much other firepower it has...

novel cliff Dec 20, 2018, 4:44 PM

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I wouldn't be surprised

ocean relic Dec 20, 2018, 8:45 PM

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if the forunners werent so dang jealous of us, this whole war with the flood thing wouldnt have happened

unique rune Dec 20, 2018, 8:48 PM

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thinkingchief

gilded mason Dec 20, 2018, 8:48 PM

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"Us"
Though there's some contention, with some Forerunners saying that the Precursors had planned to wipe out the Forerunners, and they simply retaliated.

ocean relic Dec 20, 2018, 8:50 PM

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"us" as in ancient humans

spiral jewel Dec 21, 2018, 12:19 AM

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In the discussion of the great schism , I wonder how many Jiralhanae were Sangheili sympathisers, or were completely against the idea of turning against the Sangheili?

feral perch Dec 21, 2018, 12:21 AM

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I believe in Grasslands, it's mentioned that some Jiralhanae remained as servants of the Sangheili on Sanghelios

gilded mason Dec 21, 2018, 12:21 AM

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Didn't that turn out to be some weird fakeout or something, and they staged a revolt?

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Or am I thinking of a different scene.

severe elbow Dec 21, 2018, 12:22 AM

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No, that's accurate.

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We really haven't seen any "good" Brutes from the time of the Great Schism.

narrow wadi Dec 21, 2018, 12:42 AM

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There are a lot of races that the games and series only really portrays as evil despite them being far more developed

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The Kig’Yar being my go-to for this

gilded mason Dec 21, 2018, 12:42 AM

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Yeah, it's really irritating.

narrow wadi Dec 21, 2018, 12:42 AM

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Cuz they’re one of the 2(?) races that don’t believe in the covenant, they are willing to work with humans cuz most are just guns for hire, and it’s never properly addressed

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The Hunters are given proper deference in lore, at least, but I do wanna see Swords Of Sanghelios-allied Hunters at some point

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Given the lore, the Hunters would likely do that

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Seriously though.
Can we have the Hunters doing more cool stuff?

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Halo 5 was a great start, but they’re such a fun race and we need to have more with them where they’re like the biggest threat in any situation