I wonder how ONI might handle the whole Created crisis..i'm betting that they have something in store
#lore-and-universe
versed helm
vague scroll
Osman is on a abandoned planet with a drunken Lord Hood hiding out in a cabin like cowards...so...
last anchor
Well, not really cowards, she didnt know what was going to happen. She just followed BBs instructions.
And the other option was "get mashed by a falling frigate" soooo
vague scroll
Either be a corpse or be a runaway, runaway it was.
fair hazel
That really doesnt make someone cowardly.
versed helm
It does if you’re sangheili
tall moat
@feral perch I put it in spoiler chat in case he didn’t want me to spoil it lol, he might have the intention of going back to this years-old tale
vague scroll
Eh, I'm exaggerating tbh. @fair hazel It's no fun if I just say Osman and Hood jumped on a prowler to a refuge world at BB's direction and now Osman is contempulating her next action with a briefcase full of ONI's supposedly loyal AIs at the ready.
Or rather that's too long to say in a quick manner.
storm oasis
Awesome work from @severe elbow & @obsidian thistle to update the Halo subreddit's timeline: https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/a5714o/uafterbangs_timeline_of_the_halo_universe_has/
obsidian thistle
More Gurus work there ;) I help with the more annoying stuff that is more obscure.
forest ferry
I have 1 question I was asking for a very long time, Where is Master Chief Petty Officer in the UNSC ranks?
topaz snow
The UNSC military's ranking structure is extremely similar to the US military's ranks. MCPO comes in at E9, or the highest rank in the enlisted corps, not to include additional positions such as Command, First, or Chief/Master of [Branch]. @forest ferry
tall moat
As the Spartan Manual illustrates:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486078631127416833/522245941785264128/image0.jpg
keen ravine
Keep in mind
the USN has only 1 Master of the Navy
But it's
Chief -> Senior Chief -> Master Chief -> Force Master -> Fleet Master -> Master Chief of [UNSC Branch]
@forest ferry
dusty pilot
Grand Chief Petty Officer should be the highest rank lol
keen ravine
It's Master Chief of the UNSC Navy.
Cause then you can exploitative with any enlisted person!
and I Nearly used profanity there!
unique rune
exploitative
last anchor
Technically in the Navy, they get called "Top Chief" according to the Manual, out of respect for John.
So there can be other MCPOs...but theres only ONE Master chief
NGL, when I first heard that, I thought it was a made up rank. Lo and behold, its not
dusty pilot
Grand Top Chief of the UNSC Navy.
merry summit
Can we just discuss how MC never needs a bathroom break? Like, even if they have disposal systems. They never need to be emptied?
tall moat
How do you think his thrusters are powered? 😋
merry summit
actually that could be possible. Would explain the short bursts too.,
versed helm
Remember that Spartans don’t need to eat, sleep, or drink for extremely long periods of time
If they don’t need to do those things, they don’t need to defecate
merry summit
Still not sure how that is possible to be honest. You would think a human who is using twice or maybe even three times the energy that an average soldier uses, would need three times the food and water.
versed helm
F u t u r e
merry summit
Not hard to place some mre boxes on the pelicans. Just saying.
versed helm
I mean I’m pretty sure they’ll still die of starvation if they don’t eat for years on end
And their muscles and organs are partly synthetic
So they probably don’t really need to repair themselves like normal muscles
So they can slow their metabolism down to almost a halt and be fine
merry summit
As much as I have loved this series since CE was released? I gotta admit that the science in it has always been wonky. At least lore wise.
Forcefully slow down your own metabolism?
That would be flat out impossible
versed helm
I mean you can do it to yourself by starving yourself
tall moat
Nothing’s impossible, when you Believe. 
merry summit
Actually I've heard the Air Force MREs are good these days. Not sure about the other branches.
versed helm
At least it's not astronaut food
merry summit
Oh, another thing.
Infinity was floating around hyper space for months, correct?
I didn't see one greenhouse or storage room while fighting through that ship.
versed helm
I’m not sure I understand your observation
merry summit
How the hell did the crew survive the voyage with no food?
versed helm
The infinity definetly has food
merry summit
I travelled across that ship many times in my life. Never found even room for chip storage.
versed helm
Or a greenhouse or garden
merry summit
Hell not even those terrible baked ziti mres
carmine sleet
The ship doesn't exist in real life, how did you travel across it?
versed helm
A ship over 3 miles long can definetly hold enough food
merry summit
343, you listening? LET US SEE SOME FOOD IN INFINITE
Honestly that ship wasn't fully stocked with anything in my opinion
A lot of empty hallways where storage could have been
Or at least a green house
versed helm
IIRC...didn't the Escalation comics have a panel showing Lasky and Palmer jogging in some sort of green space on the Infinity
merry summit
Never read the comics. Wouldn't know.
versed helm
I looked it up and it did say that the Infinity has a memorial park
So i'm betting that the park is also used for growing the Infinity's food supply
merry summit
seems counter productive but fair bet
tall moat
You wouldnt have a decorative memorial as food would you?
versed helm
Although i wonder where the meat comes from
tall moat
‘Oh, we just get them from those ONI spooks. Nice guys, letting us have all this fresh meat!’
versed helm
Although i wonder..why does the Infinity need 1,700 ONI agents
merry summit
honestly jackal meat probably tastes just like chicken.
modest marsh
merry summit
Might be a popular post battle meal
modest marsh
The big dome at the top is the park
tall moat
Why wouldnt they? Infinity has plenty of spooky stuff onboard
modest marsh
And remember that Infinity was intended as a mass exodus vessel for humanity
tall moat
It’s basically a mobile ONI headquarters
modest marsh
I wouldn’t say that as much as it is a mobile UNSC headquarters in general
It’s the flagship
tall moat
Yeah i dont know the proportion of ONI:other folk
tall moat
Infinity has around 8000 personnel for its troop complement apparently
modest marsh
There’s a good possibility that most of the thousands of crew members are in cryosleep
Particularly infantry
tall moat
1700:8000 is a pretty substantial ONI complement
If @versed helm’s figure can be trusted
modest marsh
8000 is incorrect
8900 Navy, 480 UEG, 5400 Marines, 800 Army, 750 ODST, 200 Air Force, and an unknown number of Spartans
versed helm
And 1 green boi
tall moat
I missed the crew, but I did say 8000 was its troop complement
8 special assets? Are those Huragok?
versed helm
And 24 SOS personnel
tall moat
That wasnt my question...
versed helm
I really, really want to see the Green Machine used in a future novel
fair hazel
One. We mostly see action stuff so not a lot of downtime to show bathroom stuff.Suit takes care of it.
Two, were you roleplaying?
Three. Infinity can grow it’s own food... it has lots of supplies and is well stocked. And there’s no hyperspace.
Four. Hydroponics for food.
supple salmon
I have a question, The Arbiter leads the Sanghelili Culture (pre-covenant & post-covenant) and Kaidons were like co-leaders/ advisors similar to A king and his lords?
@ everyone (lmfao)
severe elbow
Kaidons were leaders of their specific lands. I don't think there's anything said about them advising the Arbiter, just that they were subservient to him.
last anchor
Late to the party but Infinity is basically a bulked up weaponized colony ship. They had self-sustaining capabilities, so I wouldnt be surprised if Infinity did too.
Im fairly certain the UNSC has protein synthisation, and plants will grow just about anywhere if you do it right
supple salmon
ThanksGuru I thought it was more related to Medieval Era
narrow wadi
Seems like the best place to ask this, so I’ll put it here
I recently got a copy of Halo: Bad Blood, but haven’t read it yet.
Do I need any context beyond the games, to follow the events of the book? Asking cuz if there is, I’ll look into getting that book.
humble yacht
certain books serve as sequels to events to previous books
obsidian thistle
Halo 5: Guardians helps a lot
narrow wadi
I’ve played all the games (most several times), so that isn’t a concern
Is New Blood important to following the events of the plot?
humble yacht
for bad blood specifically, yes, H5 helps
gilded mason
Is New Blood important to following the events of the plot?
Yeah.
humble yacht
New Blood would be good to read
first
That and ODST frame Buck's relationship with people
obsidian thistle
Helljumper isnt vital however
modest marsh
You can just skim the first issue honestly
obsidian thistle
What is more vital is a sadly defunct website annoyingly
narrow wadi
New Blood is the book which is about Buck becoming a SPARTAN-IV, right?
obsidian thistle
That site is a useful read
And yea essentially. Along other details I wont spoil cause I'd love for you to experience it
narrow wadi
The books I’ve read are Fall of Reach, the Flood, and Ghosts of Onyx
I’ll be getting Bad Blood and First Strike for Christmas
I mostly picked up Bad Blood cuz it seemed really interesting, to be honest, I didn’t realise it was a part of a miniseries
carmine sleet
First Strike is a great read
obsidian thistle
Bad Blood is a great book to understand the post Halo 5 Halo universe
severe elbow
I'm surprised you read Ghosts of Onyx before First Strike.
narrow wadi
All I know about Bad Blood is that Mickey betrayed Alpha Team, and that the Grunts allied with Cortana
I got Onyx in a pack with Flood and Reach for cheap, I didn’t know that Onyx was a tie in to First Strike till later
obsidian thistle
Funny story I read Halo: The Flood first then Halo: The Fall of Reach second cause the book was late. Kinda a small bit of backstory to my early Halo days
narrow wadi
Ah, nice!
The first book I actually owned was Mortal Dictata
I just figured out immediately that it’s the last part to a trilogy and haven’t read it
obsidian thistle
Yikes cause thats third in a trilogy xD
narrow wadi
(It was for like £4, that’s why I picked it up)
At the time I also didn’t know it was the last part to a trilogy, it was on sale and as such I got it really cheap
carmine sleet
My first Halo novel was First Strike, got Hunters in the Dark soon after that
obsidian thistle
That list is useful btw
A checklist of most lore available.
Hope it helps ye out
narrow wadi
Ah, thank you!
I admit, when it came to getting stuff, I mostly just went with what interested me
Halo doesn’t exactly have the most... same canon out there
obsidian thistle
Erm. It has more lore currently than current star Wars atm
But Star Wars is however catching up uber fast
narrow wadi
“Current Star Wars”
obsidian thistle
Disney Star Wars.
narrow wadi
I don’t think it counts if you have to nuke your own canon cuz it all made zero sense
obsidian thistle
Nothing can legit beat Doctor who however with all its canon
narrow wadi
big finish
Seriously, the show is weird enough, but the books and ESPECIALLY Big Finish just made it insane
obsidian thistle
Over 50 years of books, TV, audio books, games, comics, movies, websites.
narrow wadi
And say what you will about Halo, but we only had to retcon... 2 books?
obsidian thistle
Nope lol
narrow wadi
Even Fall of Reach?
carmine sleet
Only retcons have been the change in numbers and stuff like that, right?
severe elbow
343 have reconciled most of the inconsistencies between it and the game.
narrow wadi
Cuz like half that book is noncanon, if the story can make any sense
obsidian thistle
The Animation and Comic of the Fall of Reach are semi-canon.
narrow wadi
how?
Oh, I’m aware of that much
Plus the animated film is bloody good
I really do like that film
obsidian thistle
Oh its complex but the book and game do work
A headache however. To much to explain.
narrow wadi
Ah, understood
The thing that got me was the Pillar of Autumn
And how Chief is in Cryo at the end of Reach
But in the book he’s still doing stuff
obsidian thistle
The Cryo egg is non-canon
But in Bungie canon it was meant to be full circle. They stated that much on Twitter I believe.
narrow wadi
Ah, I gotcha
It’s amazing they haven’t had to retcon like anything to do with the Flood yet
modest marsh
They kinda sorta did maybe?
modest marsh
The implication from CE seems to be that the Halo effect only kills living intelligent species
By the writers’ own admission, the precise mechanics of the Halo effect were not clearly defined
modest marsh
Well
For a long time, people thought that the array would leave Flood forms undamaged
modest marsh
The firing of the second Alpha Halo wasn’t exactly within its operational parameters
carmine sleet
Aye, the ring was incomplete, meaning it didn't fire properly
narrow wadi
Oh, apologies
modest marsh
Moreover, it’s entirely possible that the Flood forms encountered in HW2 were made using the corpses of uninfected Covenant
narrow wadi
But... wouldn’t their nervous systems still be destroyed?
If I’m remembering what the rings do right
modest marsh
The biomass is still hypothetically operable by super Flood cell
severe elbow
Besides, did we see any Combat Forms before the Banished got infected?
modest marsh
I’m honestly unsure what the conditions are for infector pods to form
It’s presumably whenever FSC gets enough material right?
severe elbow
I thought they popped out of Carrier Forms, which are incubated from Combat Forms.
modest marsh
They can be formed from Carrier forms, but are they always necessarily?
narrow wadi
No, it isn’t
We see this on High Charity
Where there are those sacs that grow and cultivate Infection Forms without the need for a Carrier form
versed helm
I did look up the earliest extant concept art of the Flood..and they look like a walking testicle
modest marsh
@narrow wadi yeah, but that also necessitates a Flood hive...hmmmm
I guess there’s the possibility enough of the non-complex Flood survived for that to remain intact
onyx wind
presumably the first place they come from are the carrier forms, since those seem most likely to form first out of an infestation
versed helm
Are we sure that Spartan IIIs are much superior to Spartan I's?
topaz snow
Considering the S1s were just Marines that received early versions of the augmentations that would later be used on S2s and further refined for the S3s, yes. The S3s are most likely better than the S1s.
tall moat
They got SPI too, and could even don MJOLNIR
versed helm
Do we really know what they really mean by "refined"? It could simply just mean logistically. Say we were to give Johnson SPI
I honestly think he would have a good chance against one
Spartan I's have reflexes to make Spartans forced to rely on their own for a win during combat training. They have also been shown to briefly trade blows with Arbiter(s), tear buck-mesh, and run as fast as Kig-Yar
versed helm
I have a thought..if the Unggoy on Balaho are basically with the Created..what about the Unggoy that live elsewhere
tall moat
Like they say, the Unggoy will follow whoever has power
severe elbow
The Banished's Grunts are largely taken from Covenant or ex-Covenant breeding grounds.
versed helm
I believe so?
narrow wadi
I was just curious tbh
vague scroll
@narrow wadi They are. Intended to contain Forerunners while they are left in a deep meditative state for prolonged periods of time.
narrow wadi
Ah, thank you.
I needed to check cuz I was curious if that was how the Diadact survived till 4, or if Forerunners just have INSANELY long lifespans
carmine sleet
I believe that it's both, Forerunners live for a long time thanks to their tech
vague scroll
Slipstream is correct.
Forerunners are masters of genetic manipulation, their entire civilization was built on purpose-built genetic manipulation into different social/work castes to better serve their galactic civilization.
narrow wadi
Ah, gotcha.
vague scroll
They could essentially clone themselves even by imprinting their mental and genetic marker onto adolescent Forerunners called Manipulars.
merry summit
So how does the oxygen in those suits work? I don't see any room for oxygen tanks.
vague scroll
That's where we get the two Didacts from, Iso-Didact and Ur-Didact. The former was the one that activated the Halo array, also known as Bornstellar, and the latter was the one we encountered in Halo 4, the older one, known as Sundered-Star and rather insane from his encounter with the Flood.
@merry summit I don't believe there is any lore statement saying that Forerunners have to breath oxygenated gas.
last anchor
They have to breath SOMETHING
vague scroll
Something but not quite nothing.
last anchor
Bornstellar's skin inhales when they get onto that dreadnought over the Janjur Quom
I think they breath oxygen the same as we do, their suits just either store it or manufacture it
merry summit
I was talking about the spartans. None of the spartan suits have ocygen tanks on them.
vague scroll
They probably could genetically modify themselves to live off methane like how less-advanced SPARTAN-IV mods allow Spartans to filter methane-infused air for an hour.
last anchor
They do, they're just internal. Probably in the back near the reactor
vague scroll
^
vague scroll
I believe that was from Fall of Reach, the 90 minutes figure.
last anchor
And Ghosts of Onyx.
It was Nylund who implemented it. Mind you, a lot of Nylunds stuff has never really fit into the game. Spartans being able to carry a magmum alongside normal weaponry for example
versed helm
Halo: Reach
vague scroll
I still want to complain about how big the M6 series is as a standard issue handgun.
But that's lore for you.
versed helm
I think that's why they made two models of it
versed helm
No, like there is an up-sized edition of the same variant
vague scroll
The problem with that logic is that even then, its the caliber of round I find problematic.
Its not just the gun size, its the round caliber.
versed helm
Why
vague scroll
Because its a 12.7mm
versed helm
I'm sure they have compensated for the immense kickback
vague scroll
The way its described in the books, its not
versed helm
Compensated?
vague scroll
It's like carrying around an IWI Desert Eagle or a .44 Magnum
in place of a 9mm
yeah, the gun is a literal hand cannon
versed helm
Good
viral orbit
Hey the M6K is a 6 round smaller version for undercover police
vague scroll
The round is still the M225, which is still a 12.7 mm
The M6P is even smaller, a pocket pistol with 4 rounds
One HE round from the M6P blew an unshielded Brute's head open during a confrontation with SPARTAN-III Gamma Ferrets on Venezia.
viral orbit
Only lore I talk about is before halo 5
versed helm
Troy's books are pretty good though
viral orbit
So I just got halo wars 2 and the story doesn't fit the lore
vague scroll
Why not?
viral orbit
Because in every book I read it say the ark was completely destroyed
viral orbit
Let me take a pic of a page
vague scroll
Might recommend you go read Halo: Hunters in the Dark again but from what I know its one of the more difficult Halo novels to finish.
I can go grab the Halopedia entry regarding it but as far as it stands, the Ark was not destroyed or the entire book of Halo: Hunters in the Dark and Halo Wars 2 could never have happened to begin with.
severe elbow
Hunters in the Dark, which came out pre-Halo 5, shows it survived.
The only time it's explicitly stated to be destroyed is in the Halo Encyclopedia, and a lot of stuff in there isn't hard canon.
It's implied to be destroyed in several other places, but yeah.
viral orbit
Thats were I lsaw it
vague scroll
If I remember talking to CIA about that, a lot of Halo Encyclopedia's lore in the first edition was taken right off Halopedia.
Or at least rumored to be.
severe elbow
It was also a popular theory in some circles even before it was confirmed that the Ark survived.
It is.
100%
vague scroll
And wikis inherently change so trusting a source that took info from a always changing source in itself is to be taken with a grain of salt.
obsidian thistle
I'll correct that statement @vague scroll
The 1st edition of the Encyclopedia was made using numerous sources. The very flawed 2008 Halopedia was 1 such source.
vague scroll
Thanks CIA.
viral orbit
And in Halo: The Essential Visual Guide
vague scroll
Still my go to for keeping up to date with Halo lore anyway since you guys do a good job.
gilded mason
I remember that's how the United Rebel Front (or somje similar phrase) came to be within canon, or something like that. A Halopedia article about the insurrection had capitalized those words, or something like that, and a writer saw it and figured it was true.
vague scroll
(You're probably going to badger me again at some point about not starting on Silent Storm even though its on my kindle.)
obsidian thistle
The Engineer Forerunner rate was created cause the author that wrote about it in a book used Halo Nation lol
Originally it was just Huragoks.
vague scroll
Well its nice to see how the fans can influence the franchise they love nonetheless, even if it was an accident.
obsidian thistle
Yea its one reason I help Halo Nation fix issues now and then :)
gilded mason
Eh, depends.
viral orbit
I alway wondered what would happen when the mining moon in the ark ran out
gilded mason
They get a new one.
vague scroll
@gilded mason No denial there, its just interesting to see.
viral orbit
How thow
vague scroll
It's just a planetoid, slipspace it in.
obsidian thistle
The Ark struggles and the Monitor threatened to use earth.
Essentially though if the moon thing was depleted it would nab resources from another location
vague scroll
The Forerunners were masters of technology and astral-engineering, moving a planet from one place to another is rather simple compared to other stuff they've pulled off.
viral orbit
To tell y'all the truth anything after Halo 4 I dont count as lore
vague scroll
To each their own, but its all still canon. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
And you do miss out on some really interesting halo material by denying anything after 4.
Silent Storm for example.
gilded mason
More importantly, Broken Circle and Shadow of Intent.
vague scroll
Those were fun.
obsidian thistle
Yea Halopedia wont stop recording lore after a certain point either. Even if I were to vanish the team would keep on trucking with the new releases. :D
vague scroll
I like the Forbeck novels personally but I know that isn't the most popular opinion.
viral orbit
The reason I dont count halo 5 as lore is because in the fall of reach book u learn John and 1 other member of blue team are the only blue team members left
gilded mason
Oh yeah, CIA, when's Nizat gonna get a page? 😏
vague scroll
And that was written back in what, '06, '07 ?
Sure, Linda was clinically dead for a time and Kelly had a collapsed lung but that doesn't mean they weren't still alive.
obsidian thistle
Hopefully in 2019 ;) Big plans one of which you'll hear about in a week or 2 are coming to assist in that sorta stuff
viral orbit
Fall of reach was written in 01
vague scroll
As a tie in for CE, then Halo: The Flood came out as a novelization of CE, First Strike came out as the sequel to that, and Ghosts of Onyx tells the story of what happened to Chief's team when he was off protecting Erathi n Halo 2.
severe elbow
It was '03, First Strike confirmed which Spartans survived the Fall of Reach.
vague scroll
Thank you, its been a while since I read the Nylund books.
But yeah, Blue Team has been active the entire time.
Bungie/343i/whenever.
viral orbit
Can we join a voice channel
vague scroll
i got a couple minutes then i got to go.
viral orbit
So... No
vague scroll
pretty much? I got to take care of some IRL stuff
obsidian thistle
Kinda a vague question that I can get obscure about ;)
I like Spock the space cat
viral orbit
I gonna get off now to play some halo ill get back on later
vague scroll
My favorite piece of lore is probably the real operation that was mentioned in Spartan Ops chapter 1
Obscurity wise
last anchor
The one in Rio?
vague scroll
Yee
spare crescent
ye
versed helm
I want to see a future mission in a massive city near a transit system, where you use cargo trains as weapons against enemies
Imagine fighting a rogue Spartan or some high-ranking Elite on/in a train like Spider-man vs Doc Ock
last anchor
On a maglev running through a city. Oh hell ye
eager viper
I just want more variation in Halo Scenery
like some homeworlds of other species and like maybe some places the human rebels reside on. Idk but it seems like the rebellion is almost entirely ignored by the games minus halo wars
versed helm
It would be interesting to have a rebels mission
vague scroll
The problem is that Halo has never been about human vs. Human interactions.
eager viper
I think the gamea ignore it because the combat between two human factions people might find it too confusing as well
tall moat
It would feel like every other scifi human vs human game
vague scroll
Well, more the issue that its fundamentally different from what Halo was intended as.
last anchor
It woudl literally just end up being Infinite Warfare
vague scroll
A sci fi shooter power fantasy against an alien conglomerate.
topaz snow
First Contact with the Covenant occurred at the height of the Insurrection. Additionally, they touch on that the furthest fringes of Human space are very anti UNSC in Halo 5. The games explore a small aspect of Halo's lore.
eager viper
its interesting because a majority of the novels focus on the insurrection rather than human vs alien stuff
vague scroll
Well, yeah. Because the books have always been taken with two degrees of seperation from the games.
Games and books are not interchangable mediums. One does better and the other better than that
topaz snow
It'd be nice to see a First Contact type game. Start off as an Insurrectionist fighting against the UNSC when the Covenant shows up. Have to shift gears from killing other humans to killing aliens.
Or UNSC fighting innies and bam split lips.
eager viper
Halo Wars does a pretty good. job with that doesnt it
vague scroll
The biggest thing standing in the way of that is that humans are fundamentally unfun to fight against.
topaz snow
That's fair.
eager viper
idk about that one
There are tons of games about human v human combat and they're pretty fun
vague scroll
Human weapons were never intended to be used against Spartans in a PvE environment.
Halo specifically.
versed helm
What
eager viper
idk flood use human weapons
vague scroll
They'd have to retweak the balance of the game sandbox.
topaz snow
Gameplay balance =/= Canon effects
vague scroll
The Flood were some of the most tedious levels in Halo games.
last anchor
Darn you rocket Flood
vague scroll
The Library in CE and Cortana in Halo 3 come to mind.
eager viper
Thats purely opinion based i always found the flood missions fun
cortana maybe
but what about the end of halo 3
vague scroll
That warthog run doesn't really count since its a set piece.
eager viper
okay but theres the fight up to the control room as well
topaz snow
It's really not all that fun until you reach the top and have to defend the door.
imo
vague scroll
The Citadel isn't bad but on higher difficulties, the swarm tactics of the Flood just begin to lose their value.
eager viper
i understand i guess all this is pretty opinion based
ive enjoyed the flood missions minus cortana
vague scroll
Well, its also a fairly common opinion too
eager viper
sure but common doesnt mean the only opinion or the correct opinion
topaz snow
The swarm tactics aren't awful when you get to see the devastating effects it actually has, like on Floodgate.
vague scroll
The Library was one of the weakest levels in Halo CE. Being long and dark making a lot of people become lost.
Too maze like.
topaz snow
God bless the arrows in HCEA
vague scroll
Floodgate I enjoyed. Genuinely terrifying.
eager viper
right but they do use human weapons
topaz snow
And?
eager viper
thats how the flood got brought up
vague scroll
It is
eager viper
cause he was saying spartans weren't meant to fight against human weapons
vague scroll
What I was saying Human weapons aren't fun to play against
Think about fighting enemy Marines with a tank.
topaz snow
He said that human weapons weren't designed to be used against Spartans.
Rather it should be said Spartans were designed to be impervious to Human weapons.
eager viper
yeah lore wise tho they can still be hurt by human weapons
topaz snow
Barely.
eager viper
they are 100% not impervious to them
eager viper
there are multiple occasions where spartans fear for their life from standard weaponry
topaz snow
Like?
vague scroll
Gravity plate in the opening of Halo Ghosts of Onyx
vague scroll
Its a good novel
eager viper
Spartan buck fearing a gun pounted at his head despite having shielding in new blood
Ghosts of onyx i believe has an audiobook on YouTube
vague scroll
It used a bullet bigger than the 12.7mm of the magnum
eager viper
is that okay to mention?
vague scroll
/shrug
topaz snow
Buck also has instincts that predate his induction in to the Spartan program.
eager viper
but he mentions in the novel the bullet will still kill him despite armor/shielding
eager viper
i dont remember the specific
severe elbow
It's fine, nothing is covered by spoilers right now except Battle Born.
eager viper
but i believe it is a standard battle rifle probably. with ap rounds
but it might be a marksman rifle
topaz snow
Speaking of the DMR
vague scroll
@topaz snow the gun was never named
topaz snow
Thanks
vague scroll
It was only said it was old and had a really big round
eager viper
here i can actually go listen to the passage
vague scroll
Something like a .50 cal pistol cartridge
topaz snow
Ah. Gotcha.
vague scroll
At least I think it was a pistol
topaz snow
Buck almost gets capped by a Desert Eagle, calling it.
vague scroll
Could have been an old rifle but it definitely not one in any game
topaz snow
It did say old
I guess I really do need to get at and read the books I have then.
But going back to the DMR
Both the DMR and AR fire a 7.62x51mm NATO cartridge, yet have vastly different damage outputs. Obviously this is fine and makes sense for gameplay balance, but has this been brought up in any additional media, like the books?
vague scroll
Not really
vague scroll
Though, the same can be seen about gameplay and lore. The gameplay effective range of the AR in the game maxes out at like 150 m
last anchor
And the shotgun can pulverize anything in its path up to 20 meters away too
vague scroll
But IRL it would be like 600 m
For the AR
The MA5 family is 100 cm long which makes it the same size as the AR-15
And therefore as a bullpup has a significantly greater barrel length
Might as well be capable of being a DMR itself
last anchor
It is considering the ammunition size
7.62 hasnt been standard assault rifle ammo for years
topaz snow
Different twist rates with the rifling and differences in the amount of powder in the cartridge to.
last anchor
Mostly cause the recoil is obserd
last anchor
Yes
versed helm
I should just work at 343 and do more lore on LT Parisa
vague scroll
?
topaz snow
Obviously recoil compensation tech advances in 500 years, so are we really going to consider that?
vague scroll
Chief's childhood friend?
versed helm
yup
topaz snow
Is John encountering Parisa at Zanzibar canon or is H2 canon in that situation?
vague scroll
Its canon
versed helm
canon
topaz snow
nice
versed helm
everyone is focus on chief and Cortana, let's focus on Parisa. Chief did promise to marry her, and chief never breaks a promise
vague scroll
As a government-owned child soldier that doesn't officially exist, that's not possible.
The Chief we know and the Chief the UEG public knows are fundamentally two very different things.
John-117 is still dead in Halo lore.
officially
versed helm
well guess what I will work at 343 and change that
vague scroll
I mean, you got to get hired in a writer position to do that and have to be on the senior franchise team to get those kind of executive decisions.
versed helm
@eager viper he also had an entire platoon of rebels with their small-arms against him - of course he would be worried
The rifle that shot his undersuit has a barrel large enough for Buck to fit his thumb through
vague scroll
Not to mention the kind of backlash that could come from forcefeeding in a one off lore character...
versed helm
The next novel, he states he can survive a brief barrage of 3 BR85 rifles point-blank
Retribution states that a Spartan II can survive an artillery strike
vague scroll
Shields are useful.
But survive and walk away unscathed are two very different things.
versed helm
Fred was hit in the back by an explosion, saying "that felt a hell of a lot more powerful than a grenade"
So they probably could shrug off light artillery
vague scroll
Id imagine it.
tall moat
What would be considered light artillery?
vague scroll
Still, a plasma pistol was all it took to fry Linda in her armor
tall moat
The Phantom’s defensive cannons?
vague scroll
No
tall moat
A Shade turret?
versed helm
Idk, 40mm HE?
vague scroll
They meant like shelling.
tall moat
Oh, human artillery
vague scroll
40mm HE probably
versed helm
They would likely react to a 40mm the same way a T-800 did
In Terminator Salvation(?)
last anchor
40mm is standard grenade launcher size so
Light aritllery is usually something like a man portable AT gun of WWII I think.
Maybe a mortar
So bigger than 40mm for sure.
I'd say...52-88 would be "light artillery"
tall moat
Strange how a 40mm grenade and 102mm rocket can kill a Spartan in gameplay
vague scroll
Gameplay =/= Lore.
topaz snow
^^^
topaz snow
If the gameplay were accurate to the lore the Halo games wouldn't be nearly as fun as they are.
last anchor
And 40mm is the width, not the length. The nade the GL fires is HUGE
Its the size of a freaking BEER CAN at least
topaz snow
The GL in Halo is a 40mm
tall moat
Idk what kind of beer can is 4cm across lol
last anchor
Thats what Im saying. Its 40mm wide by like, 80 long
Maybe even bigger. 120 maybe
Its not a small grenade
tall moat
Ohh
last anchor
Also when I say beer can I mean one of those gigantic Fosters ones.
viral orbit
In halo 4 why did the rear end of the forward unto dawn look different from halo 3
quiet dock
vague scroll
Because 343i was being economic, using a model of the Strident because they really liked the new design and they could get more detail out of it while also saving work time on redesigning the FuD from the ground up.
It's non canon.
The Halo 3 model is the canon design instead.
viral orbit
So halo 4's version is not cannon
vague scroll
yep
viral orbit
It always drove me crazy
vague scroll
It was a purely economic/artistic freedom choice. The halo 3 model of the FuD was dated and doesn't look good when boomed up and doesn't give 343i much room to build a game environment inside.
The actual model of the FuD in Halo 4 has been measured in game and estimated to be something like a kilometer in length.
grizzled marsh
Which also breaks known Strident information too.
vague scroll
^
viral orbit
What is ur favorite ship in halo
fair hazel
gameplay
vague scroll
yep
fair hazel
like poillar of autumn
vague scroll
its non canon, already cleared that up
In reference to the Pillar of Autumn, CE's Warthog Run was around 3 kilometers...
viral orbit
Do they have a halo ship commander game or something similar
vague scroll
Halo Warfleet, discontinued now though because Spartan Games was shut down.
But that was also table top.
There's a fan mod for Sins of a Solar Empire, Sins of the Prophets that is fairly popular.
viral orbit
I like to draw and design my own ships from halo is there a book that shows u all the ship designs
vague scroll
There is Halo Warfleet, the book that has a fair few Halo ships in great detail but its not everything.
Best bet for you is probably to check the Halo wikis: Halo Nation or Halopedia, they have ship galleries online.
tall moat
You meant Halo Fleet Battles for the tabletop game @vague scroll
vague scroll
Thanks for the correction
tall moat
Halo Warfleet is the ship encyclopaedia thing
viral orbit
Ok but I mainly use books because we can't use phones at my school
vague scroll
Warfleet is the book, Fleet Battles was the game
tall moat
Definitely recommend, it has so much cool stuff never released before
vague scroll
break down of some lore, its about 15-20 USD depending on where you get it last time I checked when I bought my copy
tall moat
If you’re in a non-Halo region, Book Depository is always a good bet for Halo fiction
Free shipping
viral orbit
Can u post a pic of a UNSC Destroyer
tall moat
Type up UNSC Destroyer on Halopedia lol
vague scroll
Halopedia is your friend.
tall moat
Like Distant Tide said, the Halberd-class is the most common (and probably beloved) UNSC destroyer
vague scroll
I have a friend that really likes the Hillsborough class
tall moat
Most common as in lore-featured not in-universe
vague scroll
true
viral orbit
I just looked it up and I remember seeing the destroyer class on RvB
viral orbit
I was playing the Brute DLC for Halo War2 and there are flood in it how is that possible
gilded mason
I think it's a bit silly also, but the explanation is that the ring didn't finish off the Flood on the self-destructed High Charity
tall moat
Installation 08 was incomplete
feral perch
*08
tall moat
Heh
feral perch
lol ninja'd
gilded mason
04B 😏
tall moat
Ayyy
vague scroll
The Halo array is known for killing off the Flood's food source, not out right destroying Flood
though it seems to work against Flood biomass to some degree
grizzled marsh
It could be that since the ring wasn't complete when it fired, it couldn't sheer through the volume of biomass that was in High Charity.
vague scroll
^
You know I'm still surprised you Halo Nation admins weren't among those selected for moderators.
tall moat
Like who?
vague scroll
Commander right there.
viral orbit
But didnt spark or someone else say it would still wip everything out
tall moat
When complete in a few days or whatever
viral orbit
Can we change subjects to how Reach had grass after being glassed
grizzled marsh
That was 30 years after glassing.
viral orbit
But glassing destroys the atmosphere
tall moat
Jk keep asking i love it when u feed my ego
vague scroll
Terraforming includes rebuilding an atmosphere.
Also, glassing doesn't destroy an entire planet's surface and atmosphere.
It takes hours to months to fully glass a planet anyway.
tall moat
Hours?
viral orbit
Oh I thought it did
vague scroll
Hours, because people complaining about Fall of Reach depictions...
viral orbit
But wasn't reach a staging ground for earths invasion
vague scroll
no
tall moat
That was the Uneven Elephant
grizzled marsh
^
vague scroll
Elephant?
tall moat
Unyielding Hierophant for you grunts
tall moat
My man Johnson did
vague scroll
i forgot that
tall moat
I LOLed
viral orbit
But they was still glassing it when the chief came back after installation 04 and that would be over a few days
viral orbit
And there was a fleet of ships to so how did they not destroy the planet
tall moat
Looks like a sun. 😎
vague scroll
again, it takes a long time, even for a fleet of ships
Glassing doesn't happen in seconds, they are literally pouring continuous super-heated plasma on to the planet's surface
viral orbit
Ok
tall moat
When was this first discussed? Envoy?
viral orbit
So what is the difference between the Hawk and Hornet
vague scroll
@tall moat It's kind of always been like that, less about the lore and more about the science
You mean the Sparrowhawk? That one is the equivalent to an attack helicopter.
The hornet is more of a Little Bird light assault/support helicopter.
viral orbit
And the hawk is the heavy hitter?
tall moat
I swear the difficulties were not extensively expanded upon until one of the more recent novels
viral orbit
Where do ppl get pics like the one of reach
vague scroll
They cut them out from Halo source material, like Ensemble's website before it was shut down
or taken from promotional art
grizzled marsh
@tall moatSome of the difficulties were talked about in the Halo Reach data pads.
viral orbit
There way better than mine
tall moat
Wasn’t that Condemned, the Reach DLC map?
vague scroll
Yep, fly out of the map glitch
vague scroll
Yeah, that was from the Ensemble Studios webpage I think
tall moat
@grizzled marsh Yeah but who really read them? I’d bet more people read the novels
viral orbit
Can I dm u a pic of my art distant to see the comparison
vague scroll
sure?
@tall moat Like I said, people who dig the lore.
Commander and others like CIA at Halopedia do this stuff because of their love for the Halo mythos.
They chase after the lore, going above and beyond the call for the rest of us
tall moat
Hmm yeah I can only find references to old novels and the Reach datapads on Halopedia...
No mention of Envoy
vague scroll
Envoy only really focused on the NOVA bombs
that's instant kill
"a weapon to surpass metal gear"
Oh and Sharquoi
vague scroll
They do talk about it I think. Probably the humans actually while the Sangheili retort back about Glyke
Glyke was a good planet. Until it wasn't.
tall moat
No maybe that Sangheili warlord, Thars I think, contemplating glassing something
vague scroll
Ah that might have been it too
versed helm
Now that i think about it..how did Buck get off Reach
I know there was that part in the New Alexandria level in Halo:Reach where you escort his falcon but still
dawn ocean
Good question. I would assume he left the planet before things got as bad as they did.
That, or he got off around the time Chief revisited Reach to assist Blue Team.
maiden mica
What was the name of that one space ship the spartan IIs used as hq on The Fall of Reach?
and the station for repairing it?
maiden mica
I did know it looks like a 117, but thank you for sharing
no but I mean in The Fall of Reach the IIs used to hang on a frigate that with a name that I can't recall
tall moat
The station was called the Hopeful no?
versed helm
Gettysburg
tall moat
Gamma Station?
tall moat
@maiden mica What are you asking
versed helm
I wonder..do people still use physical currency in the 26th Century?
maiden mica
I think the Halo Reach cR or Credits are the currency in that time
and halsey carried a handful of them
versed helm
I'd stack up on Titanium-A an Nanolaminates
vague scroll
That's ship armor. Its not valuable as a currency backer...
Gold is still a tradeable material and currency backer for UEG as shown in Dirt.
And on colonies outside UEG control, scratch ed prepaid cards have economic value as well as currency
There is also those coins the machines spit out coins at Virgil's command during ODST
obsidian thistle
Ah those coins ;)
Heh those have a Bungie employee on them
Kinda a easter egg I was the one to discover in 2009 that never made it big.
vague scroll
Ah, must of flown under the radar
obsidian thistle
Yep
versed helm
Yee
last anchor
Its hard to see what their tops look like after all
Still a cool factoid
It interests me that gold is still valuable considering its probably a LOT less rare now
vague scroll
Same thought I had
What happens when we start collecting gold from the ocean through desalinization?
Though its by no means a worthwhile investment...
last anchor
Asteroid mining. Lunar excavation...
last anchor
Indeed
versed helm
Pretty sure ship armour would be more valuable then some plastic card lol
versed helm
Who would be the real life equivalent to the ODSTs
versed helm
I wonder if it's possible to replicate something like the Spartan IVs in real life
Probably RIOT
I mean we have a decent part of the steroids down
Who knows
versed helm
I actually thought UNSC amd OTSD were the same
vague scroll
The ODSTs are the equivalent of the Airborne, not the Green Berets. Sure, there are smaller more specialized units inside the ODSTs like Alpha Nine but as an overall organization, ODSTs are like Airborne, a rapid-reaction force deployed ahead of the main invasion force to soften up the enemy.
feral perch
I meant as in overall training and ability
grizzled marsh
I would think that Tide would be right in comparing them to the Airborne though we aren't 100% certain of their training methods. We do know that their candidate selection system is different. ODSTs seem to be more open to recruiting from every part of the UNSC.
versed helm
We might be able to replicate the thrusters onto a titanium exoskeleton with high torque, but nothing that can make you easily dodge bullets and easily lift a 3.5 ton warthog.
I'd imagine we could possibly recreate the Nightfall armour, albeit bulkier
last anchor
It already exists, basically. Its more or less a modern Spacesuit
lilac palm
hey everyone! I would like to uve my opinion regarding the nightfall armour. Yes, its kinda like a Spacesuit but it isnt really like that. Its more like a exotic enviroment suit created by ONI for use by thier operatives. Based off the ODST design. a spacesuit in halo would have some sort of resemblence to EVA. Say a full face visor. Thruster. Armoured Chest and stomach piece. Possibly a groin area aswell. and a skintight jumpsuit underneath
There is already a lot of suits in the halo universe that can be ued in atmosphere. For instance the entire MJLONIR armour line.
or the enclosed CH252 Helmet. Better known as military police.
versed helm
@lilac palm hey man, good to see another newcomer. Also remember that it functions as a strength-enhancing exoskeleton that can both negate hard impacts and can throw people to the ground single-handedly. So I believe it may also function in other, unexpected ways such as logistically; hauling around cargo easier where large machinery cannot be deployed
lilac palm
Thank you @versed helm its great to talk to people in the community with similar opinions and yes i should have mentioned that detail. Silly me!
versed helm
You picked a good place to look hahaha. Some of these guys are so nerdy to the point it's a borderline talent
lilac palm
yup!
versed helm
Regarding the suit, there was an excerpt in one of the recent novels where some Brutes drag around cargo sleds to form a breastwork. While the suit may not give someone the strength to rip off an arm, being able to drag around light vehicles like that could come in handy in a hostile environment - further reinforcing the principles of the suit in an easily understandable way
lilac palm
yes it does. definitely. The suit seems to have a bizzare power maintaining system aswell.
versed helm
I wonder what it's oxygen supply is. MJOLNIR has a 90 minute air capacity, and ODST gear is rated at 15 minutes.
Could this be even higher than MJOLNIR's? The actual Gen ii armour variant would definitely
lilac palm
Nightfall has a bizzare
type of offworld rebreather system. possibly the same system as ODST but improved
i wonder if it was an upgrade to the standard ODST bdu same as what the Helljumper armour was intended for
versed helm
It would be cool to see ODSTs in those exoskeletons. Maybe, when given some permutation for their neural lace, it could allow them to fight Sangheili in hand-to-hand, and have a decent chance of surviving
lilac palm
yup. anyway whats your thoughts on the new GEN3 system?
versed helm
I love the idea of it. Mark VII is just awesomely OP
carmine sleet
I mean, Mark VII was a GEN1 suit that saw very limited use before they decided to make GEN2 Mjolnir. The new GEN3 armour is not going to be called Mark VII
versed helm
I thought it was stated as gen 3 in the new field manual?
carmine sleet
Mark VII was used as a test bed for GEN3 improvements, but it is still a GEN1 suit
obsidian thistle
Its a weird suit
dusty pilot
cant wait for GEN4!
clear wren
What about gen 5?
dusty pilot
GEN0 armor was best, Mk I, Mk II, Mk III
last anchor
MK VII was Gen 1 and is probably going to retroactively be considered GEN 3
dusty pilot
GEN0 should be Mk III and before, i make my own head canon alot
versed helm
Anyone remember the System Of Miasmic Giants
last anchor
I do
versed helm
Anyone else other than me wonder...what species could've attacked Crecka in that system
obsidian thistle
Some meddling species I guess ;)
feral perch
I feel deja vu
vague scroll
the self-promotions begin...
feral perch
hm?
vague scroll
Oh, just a joke about CIA helping HiddenXperia with his "Meddler" unknown Halo species video, pretty good stuff.
digital wraith
I remember having the "Meddler" conversation with CIA months ago.
I think the video was great and that he was the best person to help with that video.
last anchor
For sure. TBH, most people who have lore stuff should go to Halopeida or him specifical for stuff.
Would solve a LOT of issues with machinimas thats for sure.
Also OCs
vague scroll
Or fanfiction in general.
Halopedia is a very valuable resource, as is Halo Nation though I prefer Halopedia for being more up to date - both are very reliable and maintained by very good and friendly people.
last anchor
Better than Gruntpedia both of em
vague scroll
Gruntpedia, part time rest in piece, other part glad its gone. It was a sarcastic wiki dedicated to being critical of small details in the Halo lore in a time period where the series was fundamentally simpler and at just the right time between fans growing into their teenage years and just as the Internet and the series itself reached maturity.
vague scroll
yeah, the active number of people who edit it has reached a drip-drip kind of state
feral perch
Yeet
versed helm
Is it me or does it seem like chief depends on Cortana
feral perch
in what way
versed helm
I mean if hes still looking for her
vague scroll
I mean, in a way, yes, the Chief has a dependency on Cortana
obsidian thistle
Well speaking of Halopedia. Big news about that soon. :O
versed helm
I love Halopidia i always go there for all my facts and to make sure my knowledge is not rusty, Halo Nation seems to have a lot of wrong facts, i am wating for Halopidia to put up some information on Tel 'Szatulai.
What Halo Lored based Youtube channel does everyone prefer ? I love Halo Cannon he really knows what he is on about and is a great person to ask qustions to, Hiddenxperia is alright i watch him sometimes when there is some big news or he puts up a video that gets my intrest but he seems to know a little less about the Lore compared to Halo Cannon and he is on the 343 hate train way to much, i can not stand Halo Follower i used to watch them back in the day but they just annoy me now lol.
digital wraith
I just got the Spartan Field manual in a Secret Santa. I'm going to enjoy this.
obsidian thistle
Yea I watched a lil. Tbh I could get a lil obscure with Fireteam Shadow.
versed helm
@obsidian thistle will HaloPidia be updating Sargent Johnson's age? In Halo Silent storm which is set in 2526 it mentions he is about 40 and that his been a Soldier for 20 years that means he joind in 2506 when he was 19 (and its mentioned in other media he joind at 19) that means he was born in 2487 which makes him 65 when he died not in his 70s.
Of corse i could be very wrong lol
Mathematical
wispy bough
When Grim sparks another 04B/08 debate 🍿
unique rune
ngl I prefer 08 to 04B
quick ridge
which installation is assumed to be shown at the end of Halo 5?
wispy bough
@obsidian thistle ^ I'm curious too!
feral perch
Is it 09 from Halo Wars 2?
quick ridge
wasnt 09 planned to be moved back towards Threshold after HW2?
cant really tell, but I dont think the planet in the background of the H5 clip of it looks like Threshold
severe elbow
It was headed to Threshold but dropped out of Slipspace early.
quick ridge
aaah interesting
severe elbow
If it was Installation 09, that means that post-credits scene took place about six months after Halo 5.
Assumedly it can't be Delta Halo since Substance can't be seen.
So it's either Gamma Halo in its new location, Zeta Halo, or Beta, Epsilon, or Kappa Halo.
quick ridge
Cool
severe elbow
Though I don't think Delta Halo can fire since its surface was glassed.
last anchor
Its Index is missing as well
Or at least, we dont know what happened to it. Last time we see it its in the hands of Miranda Keyes
lilac palm
I really think the Gen 3 armour looks good! it could actually help save the Spartan IVs reputation
gilded mason
You've seen what Gen3 armor looks like?
quick ridge
alright followup, what kind of developments to the lore do you guys want to see in Infinite?
last anchor
Medicant Bias
gilded mason
alright followup, what kind of developments to the lore do you guys want to see in Infinite?
More alien cultures.
quick ridge
space rhinos duh
severe elbow
The Index may have been on the UNSC's station near Delta Halo. But it was more than likely secured by the UNSC afterward.
last anchor
Hardlight most likely considering it can be held and also converted into rad data for a monitor to carry
Raw data
spiral jewel
For me, @@gilded mason it'd have to be, The name of the Ai shown in E3 trailer ???0453-0
last anchor
That may be a placeholder, just remember that
spiral jewel
Good point, but what if it isn't a placeholder?
last anchor
Then Chief has a replacement AI that may or may not be Cortana modeled
We dont know how AI serial numbers work.
Same as how UNSC service numbers either end with their initials or dont
gilded mason
I sure hope it ain’t another Cortana, in any case.
spiral jewel
We'll just have to wait and see
last anchor
While it would be interesting paralells to have a Cortana vs Cortana fight, I dont think it will be
Or at least, it wont be ANOTHER Cortana.
It may be another Halsey-cloned AI...but it wouldnt be Cortana. Each AI is their own thing. She's basically be Cortana's "sister" I suppose. Kind of like how Kalmyea was her "older" one
severe elbow
I've been saying for a while that I'd find it interesting if the replacement AI were Cortana's "sister," similar to her in many ways, but also very different. Like it'd be interesting to me if her relationship with the Master Chief was more frayed because they don't particularly like each other.
last anchor
Medicant Bias vs. Offensive Bias
History repeats iteslef. Hopefully without the huge universe cleansing sacrifices
boreal bane
Hamish Beamish
spiral jewel
I wish that there was a way to turn already deceased characters into AI's... But it's impossible without time travel shenanigans...
And I don't think anyone aside from the precursors had that ability
versed helm
I wanna see more alien races other than the ones we already have...all of the Halo media release within the last 7 years or so have mentioned the existence of other,unknown races that inhabit or inhabited the Halo galaxy
How many alien races do we have right now
last anchor
Im with stckr. We got back to the remains of CAMS and there's Bemish just...doin his janitor work.
"Wait, why are you still here?"
"Someones gotta clean up this mess"
last anchor
Well its the home of a weapons and military hardware manufacturing company (Cascade Stronghold Technologies) and a couple other things. Plus at least one space elevator. So fairly important I think.
Still not sure if its space Washington tho
versed helm
Looking at Have S'Moa's Space Elevator burger...how would you eat that
feral perch
Just kill off Palmer, use her brain to make an AI, and then she can nag in Chief's ear
spiral jewel
I got to thinking, and this is incredibly crazy talk, but...
Who is the only person Cortana would personally know that could give her a good whooping/spanking if push came to shove?
versed helm
Chief?
versed helm
DGH?
last anchor
The acronym
feral perch
^
spiral jewel
I'm thinking chief due to their connection... 032 could be likely. A battle of the minds....
032 Mendicant Bias and CTN0452-9 are some of the smartest AI's , so it's bound for a clash to happen if 032 is somehow reactivated or something
versed helm
I wonder whatever became of Offensive Bias
spiral jewel
Good question
versed helm
Remember Enduring Bias from Broken Circle?
spiral jewel
Never read it. I need to start reading the books, but don't know where to get them...
feral perch
Barnes and Noble?
spiral jewel
I could try Half Price Books whenever I'm in West Omaha...
feral perch
Got a Second and Charles Used Bookstore?
spiral jewel
Not one near me.
versed helm
I wonder..what kind of Ancilla is Enduring Bias?..it is possible that he might be a Contender class Forerunner ancilla
Like Mendicant and Offensive Bias
feral perch
He's described as having a regular Monitor shell iirc
So probably like 343 GS or 2401 PT
spiral jewel
I know that we've seen the rings from the Lesser Ark, but what became of the rings from the Greater Ark, minus Zeta Halo, who is of both arks...
versed helm
Didn't they get destroyed during the Fall of Maethrillian
spiral jewel
I'm assuming that's a possibility
versed helm
I just noticed a neat detail about the believe ad campaign. The old veterans describing their past are all represented on the battlefield (there's a marine shooting an M41 on an overturned warthog)
quick ridge
Even more reason as to why they are some of the best ads
versed helm
I'm glad they're going back to that way of marketing again. I'm amazed that chief hasn't been a figure of hope for the franchise since Halo 3.
grave swift
@spiral jewel The Greater Ark and 11/12 of the original 12 Halo rings it constructed were destroyed. Only Installation 07 remains from those initial 12 and was folded into the six built by the Lesser Ark.
spiral jewel
@grave swift thank you
vague scroll
Also Installation 07 was heavily shrunken from its original size due to significant damage received during the Forerunner-Flood War.
versed helm
Anyone else like Joseph Staten's writing style?
reef viper
I like anything that man does.
versed helm
Did anyone else read how Jai ripped not just a machine gun turret, but an M68 Gauss Cannon from it's vehicle mount in Envoy???
carmine sleet
I mean, it makes sense that a Spartan can rip one off
versed helm
It does, but it's still a very thick armature
It's also the same size as the regular turret, as it was improvised to be mounted on the Jackrabbit. If you look at Forge on his warthog, you'll see just how impressive that rip was
feral perch
@reef viper what about ReCore?
shrewd trout
Yep
spring brook
So, why is it that Parangorsky hates Halsey?
gilded mason
I guess she didn't like how Halsey would be a "bleeding-heart" for the Spartan IIs.
spring brook
It makes sense for Osman to hate her, but for Parangorsky it always seemed like "oh she's my rival I must hate her"
I guess
gilded mason
"And for God's sake," she said, narrowing her eyes to slits, "Catherine Halsey must never know. Her bleeding-heart sympathies for the Spartans have won her too many admirers at CENTCOM."
The quote itself.
spring brook
I suppose. Although it seems like the reasoning isn't because of the bleeding-heart thing, just that it's an annoyance.
gilded mason
Perhaps.
spring brook
It seems to be because halsey isn't loyal/trustworthy to parangorsky. Parangorsky values loyalty above all else, and her decitfulness toward parangorsky probably is the reasoning behind it.
But i gotta get through these books, only just finished glasslands. Maybe a more concrete answer reveal itself.
gilded mason
You probably shouldn't try to look for a legitimate reason for Parangosky hating Halsey within the Kilo-5 trilogy. Karen Traviss didn't write that particularly well.
spring brook
oof
feral perch
Yeah..
spring brook
Actually, after re-reading the interrogation scene in Glasslands, it seems like Parangorsky hates Halsey for trying to protect her own conscience by making the clones of the Spartans.
And because Halsey has no loyalty to the UNSC, only to herself
gilded mason
Maybe not only to herself, but perhaps th idea of humanity continuing on. Since the whole reason she agreed to the Spartan program was because she was worried about war fracturing humanity.
spring brook
Specifically trying to cover-up the embarrasing fact of the kidnappings, where gov't secrets should protect troop deployments, radio frequencies, etc.
In parangorsky's words
gilded mason
As in, Halsey tried to cover up the embarrasing fact of the kidnappings without Parangosky's knowledge?
spring brook
Pretty much
gilded mason
Yeah, that's one of the things I don't buy from Traviss.
Halsey had to get permission for everything she did.
No way Parangosky never knew about such a huge undertaking.
Especially considering ONI agents were the ones to replace the kids.
spring brook
I think that halsey was given pretty strong freedom for the spartan program, in terms of the resources to command. It seemed to be "here's the stuff we'll give you, make it happen"
Including agents/troops to command
gilded mason
This makes note of it being mentioned in other books as an "ONI" thing, not strictly a "Halsey" thing.
https://www.halopedia.org/List_of_inconsistencies_in_the_Halo_series#Halo:_Glasslands
spring brook
It's been a while since I read fall of reach tho
gilded mason
In Halo: The Fall of Reach, John-117's classified file, accessed by Cortana, refers to the replacement operation as an "ONI black op". In Halo: First Strike, Halsey refers to the "old flash clone techniques that ONI had used to replace the originals". In her journal, Halsey refers to the clones like any other part of the program, failing to mention any attempt to conceal it.
Furthermore, Halo: First Strike notes that Colonel James Ackerson had the clones monitored as they grew up and even had the bodies retrieved after they died, which calls into question Parangosky's statements of not learning about the cloning operation until years later.```So the concealment thing was made up
I feel like she needed to find a reason to for Halsey to widely be considered a war criminal by the audience for Spartan Ops
Not that that makes the writing better
gilded mason
Though a good reason was presented in First Strike/Ghosts of Onyx, "kidnapping" a Spartan II to prevent them from taking part in the war, along with probably some other stuff from there that I forgot.
Not that that makes the writing better
Indeed.
spring brook
At least i makes sense within the context of just the series
I was looking for any reason at all tbh
gilded mason
lol
versed helm
I wonder if Parangosky is still even alive as of 2559
dusty pilot
imagine her living to 2589 when Halsey does the reach eulogy
versed helm
She'll be older than a mummy from Ancient Egypt
feral perch
I think that was probably a recording of her from prior to 2589
versed helm
Yeah, it always came off to me that the eulogy was mere months after Reach's fall, and that it was simply dubbed over the visuals which indeed took place in 2589
severe elbow
Or the eulogy was not literally given, and are simply Haley's thoughts on the matter.
grizzled marsh
Yeah, I always considered her monologue at the end of Reach as more of a narrative thing and less of a literal eulogy.
spring brook
Still 2589 tho
vague scroll
Parangosky was past or nearing 100 by 2553 and she looked like a dried rasin as it was. She most likely passed by 2558. Medical technology is pretty good in the 26th Century but curing mortality in the elderly is highly doubtful.
vague scroll
As for Parangosky and Halsey not getting along, I'm under the impression its a multitude of things and not all reasons have to be wrong or right across all the Halo mythos. Even the Kilo-5 Trilogy, which I know isn't the most loved Halo novels out there. Traviss has her reputation.
That said, I believe that Parangosky's relationship with Halsey is ultimately complicated and diversified by time.
Halsey's tendency to be an insufferable know-it-all with a tendency toward selfish scientific research and achievement without restraint and sometimes morality already makes Halsey someone to not like in the scientific community. Same for the military intelligence community.
By that nature that Parangosky with her traditional military and colonial, from-humble-background growth as a former agent of the CMA's Department of Colonial Security to ONI officer sets up Halsey as something completely different and the good doctor is nothing like a team player.
Couple that with Halsey leading some rather dubious and economically-devastating science projects like Orion-II and MJOLNIR and then you can add Parangosky's dislike for Halsey and her projects and then all the under-the-table and morally-questionable things Halsey did, whether ONI's permission or not.
Black-Box's AI brain donor, a doctor subordinate to Halsey on the Orion-II project commit suicide over his involvement in the project's augmentation phase. The guy was a personal friend of Parangosky, that's easily another strike against Halsey. Parangosky may or may not have signed off on the use of flash clones, she may or may not have known of their existence.
However, whether she did or not does not matter because Parangosky at the end of the day holds herself partially liable but holds Halsey entirely so for the sins of the SPARTAN-II Program.
That grudge didn't need to form overnight, it was likely nursed from guilt over decades. The guilt of stealing children, mix that with a pre-existing dislike for Halsey, then couple that with the outcomes of Halsey's work: the embittered Spartan washouts that were often in Parangosky's company like Musa and Serin, the loss of her friend who worked for Halsey, and time breeding guilt of involvement and allowing such a project to take place in the first place because hindsight is 20/20, Parangosky has all the reasons in the world to hate Halsey with every fiber of her being.
As for lore inadequacies, its not the biggest concern - people change and adjust their world view and their sense of reality and truth all the time. It's a human thing, and even then Halo lore is known to have inaccuracies from time to time, some even benefitting the plot when overlooked from time to time.
An example I would point out would be something like Mashak's data regarding the dead-flash-clone record he accumulated regarding kidnapped SPARTAN-IIs, its possible that he got close to the truth, if not the whole truth, but it was close enough that ONI wanted him silenced permanently.
His conclusion based on the data provided in Hunt the Truth Season 1 was that Spartan-II candidates were taken intentionally or predominantly from the Outer Colonies during the acqusitions. However, that data doesn't quite line up given we know that a few Spartan-IIs were acquired from the Inner Colonies and even Earth itself.
Man. Wall of text...
honest jacinth
woah
charred flower
👀
upper star
@vague scroll very good analysis of the relationship never looked at it like that
vague scroll
Thanks!
obsidian thistle
Oh the eulogy may be an example of what happens with Halo 5s opening cutscene.
Where the visual may be in 2589. But the dialogue may be another time. @versed helm @severe elbow
chilly cedar
So what happened to the Spartan 3s after they moved to the Spartan 4s
carmine sleet
They weren't moved to the SIVs, they're just apart of the Spartan Branch alongside them
severe elbow
Well, some of them. They were given the option, but some, like the Ferrets, declined.
carmine sleet
Indeed
chilly cedar
So with the creation of the IVs did they expain the head hunters
obsidian thistle
Some Spartan-IVs became headhunters
last anchor
It just shifted Spartan generations.
Most of them wear War Master apperneetly
Spartan Ray was one
lilac palm
hey what do you think about the Spartan programs? which do you think was most successful
subtle depot
Well 2 was the most successful in terms of saving humanity but 4 in the case of being more affordable and having less human rights violations
gilded mason
It varies, I guess. IIs were the best of the best, but also had the biggest risks during augmentation. IIIs were able to clear most of the risks while still being very powerful, but still requiring selective genetics. IVs are the least powerful of the three but also the safest during augmentation and anyone can be chosen. Though IVs also need to get tune ups every so often and Musa's idea of training leaves a lot to be desired.
And I feel the reason for creating the IIs in the first place was misguided. Not to mention IIIs being created as expendable child-soldiers.
night tulip
A war with the insurrection factions was said to have casualties numbering in the millions if they fought a traditional war. With the spartans, they wanted to end it as covertly as possible with minimal losses. The spartans would assassinate or kidnap the key leaders of the insurrection and cut off the head. More efficient+less bloodshed
The IIIs technically “volunteered” but were more coerced and manipulated by ONI to get 12 year old orphan super soldiers
I’d say by far the IIs were the most successful, even if we took away the achievements of John.
Most powerful, most accomplished, experienced, best mentality (even if they were “sociopaths”), fought in the war the longest, made the biggest difference, achieved exactly what they set out to do
Spartan IIIs we’re close, but so many sacrificed on suicide missions such as operation torpedo
The IVs are mass produced and of less quality, but still fulfill their role as supersoldiers. Fulfill their role as spartans? Less so.
night tulip
Living up to the generations that preceded them, their training and mentality, less experienced, attitude and disrespectful (not all but a significant amount) achievements, etc
They’re good supersoldiers to have in your pocket and to deploy
But living up to the legacy a bit different
unique rune
A significant amount are disrespectful...?
We've been given in-depth exposure to... what, no more than 30 Spartan-IVs?
Of those individuals...
Er. Madsen, DeMarco, and Hoya stand out as the most egregious examples of any sort of disrespectful behavior. I suppose there were the few that went Insurrectionist... Palmer could be interpreted that way... but in general...
And then when it comes to achievements. Well.
They haven't had 30 years and a full-blown war for the survival of humanity to pull anything off as Spartans.
severe elbow
DeMarco was really disrespectful sacrificing himself to save the Ealen-IV dignitaries.
night tulip
I never said they could never do that, I’m just saying presently
Demarco was disrespectful and didn’t have the attitude of a spartan up until his last moments. His character couldve been written so much better
I’m sure with the forerunner and created crisis on the horizon, the IVs will step up to the plate
Can’t have the IIs and IIIs run around forever
Well there’s Jerome Douglas and Alice who are like still really young but you know what I mean
severe elbow
When was he disrespectful?
unique rune
It was mostly Spartan Ops or Infinity, whatever it was called, if I remember correctly...
severe elbow
Yeah, but what did he do?
unique rune
I wouldn't say they were flat-out disrespectful, more just sorta.. jock-ish...
humble yacht
He cat called Palmer, right?
unique rune
He did do that.
severe elbow
Before knowing that she was the Commander, then immediately squared up when she made it known she was the Commander.
humble yacht
Yeah, but still, catcalling isn't the most respectful thing to do to any woman
superior officer or otherwise
Not saying that DeMarco is the scum of the Earth, but I think they were were trying to typecast him with his intro.
severe elbow
I don't see anything about catcalling her in the transcript on Halopedia. He attempts to hit on her, that's about it.