#lore-and-universe | Halo | Page 149

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 7:36 PM

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That’s because bungie wanted to wrap halo up

digital wraith Dec 5, 2018, 7:36 PM

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But that's my two cents.

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And yes, that is one reason as to why.

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 7:37 PM

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And 343 is now stuck with the awkward plot holes and explanations

digital wraith Dec 5, 2018, 7:37 PM

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If Halo 2's development went as dandy as if should have and they had some time then we'd likely have no Halo 3.

severe elbow Dec 5, 2018, 7:38 PM

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We would, it would just be vastly different.

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Unrecognizable, probably.

quiet dock Dec 5, 2018, 7:39 PM

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Lore of H5 actually has a lot of new things

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And also areas presented

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Halo 3 gave us the ark, but Halo 5 was like Star Wars in bringing us a lot of different planets and did some world building that way

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Kamchatka was a forerunner fortress, Argent Moon was ONI shenanigans, Meridian showed us the civilian life for those trying to rebuild, Genesis is, well Genesis, and we finally saw Sanghelios

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There was more world building and development in Halo 5 than in the entire OG trilogy

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Partially because Bungie was content to leave things ambiguous

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 7:43 PM

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Sanghelios was a treat

severe elbow Dec 5, 2018, 7:43 PM

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In terms of world-building, I still think Halo 2 was the best since it fleshed out the Covenant so much.

gilded mason Dec 5, 2018, 7:43 PM

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There was more world building and development in Halo 5 than in the entire OG trilogy
I'd give that to Halo 2, to be honest.

remote spruce Dec 5, 2018, 7:43 PM

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Can ammo packs return tho
I like exploring a level for ammo drops

quiet dock Dec 5, 2018, 7:44 PM

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Halo 2 is a good example

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But it only showed the high class and prison situations

remote spruce Dec 5, 2018, 7:44 PM

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I hope weapon drops on maps contain different ammo

quiet dock Dec 5, 2018, 7:45 PM

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The covenant was well established in there, I just refer to more as the universe than the society of the covenant

remote spruce Dec 5, 2018, 7:45 PM

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Like how in CE's flood introduction, all the Assault Rifles in the room are nearly empty

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I didn't like how in recent games most of the weapons on the map had default ammo

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Though from a gameplay standpoint it's better

quiet dock Dec 5, 2018, 7:47 PM

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Not really a lore thing

limpid kernel Dec 5, 2018, 7:48 PM

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And how you could only use the br/ar and magnum for like 2 minutes

remote spruce Dec 5, 2018, 7:48 PM

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True, that's more immersion

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And gameplay

obsidian thistle Dec 5, 2018, 8:05 PM

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I have to say Halo 3s terminals while good are a generally incomplete experience without IRIS.

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Folks forget that heh

feral perch Dec 5, 2018, 8:20 PM

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IRIS?

gilded mason Dec 5, 2018, 8:20 PM

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The ARG leading up to Halo 3's release.

obsidian thistle Dec 5, 2018, 8:39 PM

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Tbh the only good way to experience IRIS now is to use this video series. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UOMKFgwQ0g&list=PL2B2AAF3342ACCECB

YouTube

DimensionsofIRIS

Perceiving the Dimensions of IRIS - Welcome YouTube

Welcome to the Perceving the Dimensions of IRIS Youtube Channel.

▶ Play video

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Like I cant really recommend any other video or website. Not even Halopedia in this case lol

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FYI its the only ARG to have a decent video series on it. But I aint complaining as its singlehanded one of the most important pieces of lore lol

true flame Dec 5, 2018, 9:11 PM

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Does anyone think the flood will come back in Halo Infinite?

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 9:11 PM

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I could see it happening

carmine sleet Dec 5, 2018, 9:11 PM

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I hope not

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There's already enough to wrap up from Halo 5 and Halo Wars 2 without the Flood getting involved

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 9:13 PM

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I hope not too, I didn't mind the Flood in Halo 1 and 2 but from there it got rough

gloomy condor Dec 5, 2018, 9:51 PM

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Maybe a small outbreak to distract the created?

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 11:29 PM

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Maybe

polar cobalt Dec 6, 2018, 1:55 AM

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Ayy anyone remember the crashed ship from Halo cea

gilded mason Dec 6, 2018, 1:56 AM

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Yeah.

versed helm Dec 6, 2018, 1:57 AM

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Yep...i still wonder what race built that ship

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They should try having missions or novels where the enemy is primarily one species

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It could allow for more focus and a good opportunity to explore their characteristics, maybe a novel that features strictly T'vaoans

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Remember Sargent Major Duvall?

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One question..whatever became of him?

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Hopefully he became a IV

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He was pretty badass in all my playthroughs of that mission

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He would actually make for a neat attention to detail if he appears in infinite

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If he even made it off Reach

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I'm betting that he died during the Fall of Reach

dusty pilot Dec 6, 2018, 2:37 AM

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whatever happened to Colonel Holland?

versed helm Dec 6, 2018, 2:37 AM

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That's another thing that i would love to know

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He's also another character that could be neat to see in Infinite

feral perch Dec 6, 2018, 3:21 AM

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It's assumed he died I think

dusty pilot Dec 6, 2018, 4:09 AM

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what if he got promoted and assigned to some remote colony he is trying to get together, the infinity shows up, and he tries to order lasky around?

limpid kernel Dec 6, 2018, 4:11 AM

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And lasky says "No sir." In a serious tone, grabs Roland's AI chip and walks away cool style

feral perch Dec 6, 2018, 5:26 AM

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wat

carmine sleet Dec 6, 2018, 5:31 AM

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There's no good reason for bringing Holland back in Infinite, sure it could be cool but doesn't really add anything

dusty pilot Dec 6, 2018, 5:32 AM

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@limpid kernel LOL roland going rampant, its just a repeat of Halo 4 with Lasky and Roland.

versed helm Dec 6, 2018, 6:08 AM

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Did you guys read that 4-page preview of Lone Wolf?

fair hazel Dec 6, 2018, 7:34 AM

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That goes into spoiler chat

tall moat Dec 7, 2018, 1:35 AM

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Wowow Castor and Orsun reappear in Silent Storm too!

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Gah I love how many returns are made in this novel

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Do you guys think there’ll be a sequel chasing down Hector Nyeto?

severe elbow Dec 7, 2018, 1:43 AM

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Well, Last Light mentions what happens to Nyeto. They could expand on the particulars, but we know a lot of what happens to him.

tall moat Dec 7, 2018, 1:57 AM

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No way, he’s in Last Light? I’ve forgotten...

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Plz explain

severe elbow Dec 7, 2018, 2:03 AM

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He isn't in it, he's just mentioned as the first president of Gao.

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https://www.halopedia.org/Hector_Nyeto

Hector Nyeto

Hector Nyeto was a human politician and general on the Outer Colony of Gao, notably serving as a President of the Gao Republic. A hero of the Insurrection, Nyeto served as a Lieutenant Commander in the UNSC Navy, before defecting to aid his homeworld in rebelling against the ...

tall moat Dec 7, 2018, 2:08 AM

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Ohhh thats super interesting! I love Silent Storm’s connectivity even more now

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I hope he died a horrible death

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Thats really cool tho, Gao had three Prowlers at one point...

severe elbow Dec 7, 2018, 2:12 AM

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It was the three he stole during Operation: SILENT STORM.

tall moat Dec 7, 2018, 2:25 AM

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Thats... what I meant

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A backwater colony having three of ONI’s top stealth craft is quite unthinkable

dusty pilot Dec 7, 2018, 2:37 AM

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well, then having anything they can get their hands on is the unique thing i like about them, they even use advanced covy tech when possible.

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Insurrectionist's im talking about in general anyways.

tall moat Dec 7, 2018, 2:49 AM

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Traitorous nishum

versed helm Dec 7, 2018, 3:23 AM

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Anyone wanna discuss the Sharquoi?

feral perch Dec 7, 2018, 3:38 AM

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Could we find a stash of them on Zeta Halo to use against the Created?

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Anything's possible

versed helm Dec 7, 2018, 3:39 AM

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What planet do they originate from?

feral perch Dec 7, 2018, 4:04 AM

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Unknown.. I think.

subtle depot Dec 7, 2018, 4:34 AM

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The forerunners has some for so long and modified there structure so it’s very unlikely we have any idea where they come from

versed helm Dec 7, 2018, 4:35 AM

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Were the Sharquoi always mindless animals or were they something more?

subtle depot Dec 7, 2018, 4:38 AM

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They were not always mindless but they never had a high IQ far below even Ungoy and Jiralhanae. The reason they were brainwashed is the forerunners implanted them to make them easier to control

versed helm Dec 7, 2018, 4:50 AM

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For some unknown plan against the Flood?

tall moat Dec 7, 2018, 4:51 AM

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Yeees why dont you read envoy or halopedia

versed helm Dec 7, 2018, 4:53 AM

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Hmm..weren't the Thanolekgolo used in the same way

subtle depot Dec 7, 2018, 5:00 AM

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They were going to use them because they were incredibly resilient to flood infection so rather than use forerunner soldiers who can be infected they would use the sharqoui

versed helm Dec 7, 2018, 5:23 AM

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hope 343 expand on LT Parisa

calm kindle Dec 7, 2018, 5:23 AM

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who here knows a lot about EU

fair hazel Dec 7, 2018, 5:37 AM

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I realy hope they dont with a romantic plot with parisa but do expand on it

versed helm Dec 7, 2018, 6:03 AM

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I'm not sure why people pair John with Kelly so much. Linda is practically a female Chief with better aim, so she seems more in-sync with John's character.

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Sometimes relationships in stories can work well with different personalities, though. For example is said person reflected a gateway to release some of their inner-conflicts (typically seen with father-son relationships)

modest marsh Dec 7, 2018, 6:18 AM

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I don't support Spartan-IIs having romantic relationships with their peers

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that includes the Black Team fiasco

tall moat Dec 7, 2018, 6:19 AM

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Me neither, impaired reproductive drive

modest marsh Dec 7, 2018, 6:19 AM

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That's not what I'm referring to

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the dynamics of a romance are more complicated than sexual attraction, an area which Spartans are meant to be stunted in (though not necessarily completely incapable of)

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For starters, the existing familial and professional bond the Spartans share throws a massive wrench into whatever type of relationship the Spartans choose to have beyond that of close friends

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Plus, behaviorally, it does not make sense for a Spartan to pursue that type of thing

versed helm Dec 7, 2018, 6:23 AM

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I wonder..i wonder what Chief might think of Thel if he found out that he glassed his homeworld

modest marsh Dec 7, 2018, 6:23 AM

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they were specifically chosen for displaying specific behavioral patterns

gilded mason Dec 7, 2018, 6:23 AM

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I imagine he already knows.

modest marsh Dec 7, 2018, 6:24 AM

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which were then fostered/brainwashed into them through years of training

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to me a Spartan is, from a personality standpoint, someone who holds their ability to do their job and do it well above all else, and anything that isn't in service to that is a lost cause

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now what I really admire about the relationship Denning is building in his books with Fred and Veta is that their partnership is largely utilitarian, and any attraction or sexual tension between them is incidental

versed helm Dec 7, 2018, 6:27 AM

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I still wonder if Chief ever knew about NOBLE Team

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I think it could be a good way to express their attempts at rekindling their emotional behaviours. You can't keep them stone-cold forever with the freedom they have.

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I mean, Palmer even put it herself that Chief does what he wants. He's not so much a slave as the run-of-the-mill interpretation of a cyborg super soldier. If that's the case, then that emotional resistance he might have to the subject is diminished with someone as close to him as Linda.

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Or Cortana..before she went all evil space Hitler

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Well, fortunately their upbringing prevented them from certain hangups like that effecting his relationships.

tall moat Dec 7, 2018, 6:37 AM

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Chief knows about all his Spartan-IIs... maybe not their current assignments, but he should at least know about Jorge

versed helm Dec 7, 2018, 6:38 AM

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Definitely.

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Jorge, Kurt, and Cal seem to be the most easy-going Spartans out of the bunch

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Fred can communicate well with normal humans, but he's nothing much of a people-pleaser like those three are

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Cal?....wasn''t she the Spartan from the Halo Legends short The Babysitter

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Yeah. She seems much more compassionate a Spartan

feral perch Dec 7, 2018, 6:41 AM

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From the one short?

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I dunno

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But I know one thing

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Her hair was definitely not regulation length

versed helm Dec 7, 2018, 6:47 AM

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Remember the planet Netherop?

feral perch Dec 7, 2018, 6:48 AM

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Yes

versed helm Dec 7, 2018, 6:48 AM

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I wonder what kind of race could've lived on it

feral perch Dec 7, 2018, 6:48 AM

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Dustin Echoes lol

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What if it turns out that Netherop was the home of the mysterious meddlers?

versed helm Dec 7, 2018, 6:50 AM

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shrugs

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What's with everyone shrugging?

charred flower Dec 7, 2018, 7:10 AM

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🤷

versed helm Dec 7, 2018, 7:10 AM

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I'm glad my phone doesn't recognise that emoji

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Trying to shrug on me?

charred flower Dec 7, 2018, 7:14 AM

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yep

versed helm Dec 7, 2018, 7:26 AM

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I'm curious on where the UNSC gets the titanium to build new ships after the war..since Reach was glassed and i'm not sure about the current status of the Mars shipyards

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Probably from huragok

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Synthesising better materials

tall moat Dec 7, 2018, 7:31 AM

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I’m sure the galaxy has more titanium repositories than just Reach

versed helm Dec 7, 2018, 7:32 AM

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But wasn't Reach the largest known source of Titanium for the UNSC

carmine sleet Dec 7, 2018, 7:32 AM

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Doesn't mean it was the only one

versed helm Dec 7, 2018, 7:33 AM

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True..i wonder if they still mine metals from the Earth's surface

tall moat Dec 7, 2018, 7:34 AM

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I’d expect Earth to be entirely depleted 500 years from now

versed helm Dec 7, 2018, 7:35 AM

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Or maybe from the Asteroid Belt

tall moat Dec 7, 2018, 7:43 AM

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Err you’re missing the point here, asteroids would be pretty common I’d think 🤔

last anchor Dec 7, 2018, 8:04 AM

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Also Mars and Jupiter's moons

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I dont think Reach was the LARGEST exporter of it...at least, I think

versed helm Dec 7, 2018, 8:06 AM

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343 need to expand on LT Parisa

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I wonder....does the UEG/UNSC use Mercury and Venus for anything?

gilded mason Dec 7, 2018, 8:18 AM

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Humans once attempted to terraform Venus, but the project fell through.

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As for Mercury, humans established antimatter production and solar research facilities there.

tall moat Dec 7, 2018, 8:20 AM

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@versed helm Use Halopedia and your musings will be answered

tall moat Dec 7, 2018, 9:33 AM

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Why does the Army use the MA37 designation for its variant of the MA5 series?

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Where does the 37 come from? Why does it not start with a 5 and end with a letter?

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It’s triggering meee

knotty kernel Dec 7, 2018, 12:17 PM

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Would HALO: Battle Born be good?

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I wonder if I should preorder

versed helm Dec 7, 2018, 12:18 PM

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No

knotty kernel Dec 7, 2018, 12:23 PM

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why not?

versed helm Dec 7, 2018, 12:25 PM

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Actually go for it

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I said nothing

unique rune Dec 7, 2018, 12:37 PM

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@tall moat The MA37 first entered service with the UNSC Navy and Army in 2437. So. Comes from the first year it saw service.

Why the Army uses the MA37 designation as opposed to MA5_.... uh. Yes.

pearl bison Dec 7, 2018, 1:56 PM

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Budget cuts.

tall moat Dec 7, 2018, 2:28 PM

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Lmao in the Spartan Field Manual Naiya Ray’s profile picture is a H5 Infiltrator Spartan in her colours

last anchor Dec 7, 2018, 5:05 PM

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Her armor was Infiltrator though so...yeah.

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And I think she got a new suit when she was reassigned. Didnt know she went to Majestic. Not surprising though

fair hazel Dec 7, 2018, 8:23 PM

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https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/universe/characters/henry-glassman

Halo Waypoint

Henry Glassman

Henry Glassman gained notoriety for his work in quantum physics, leading to his recruitment by ONI and involvement during the Second Battle of Requiem.

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Workin quantum theory , nice

versed helm Dec 7, 2018, 8:26 PM

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He kind of looks like Bill Gates

limpid kernel Dec 7, 2018, 8:26 PM

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Plot twist, he is Bill Gates

fair hazel Dec 7, 2018, 8:27 PM

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Bill gate’s grand grand grand grand grand son?

last anchor Dec 7, 2018, 9:46 PM

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Its certainly possible. Microsoft is still active.

obsidian thistle Dec 7, 2018, 11:02 PM

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Well um

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Microsofts logo has been seen

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Microsoft by name in 2550s is currently cut lore from Halo Online

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(Which is a weird thought lol)

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Microsoft did exist though

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https://www.halopedia.org/1995

1995

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With the whole releasing Windows 95.

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Now thats weirdly obscure lore for you lot

last anchor Dec 7, 2018, 11:08 PM

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Im convinced its them that FOTUS was made for.
I mean think about it. Giant corporations literally needing supersoldiers to fight shadowwars with each other?

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Kinda sounds like Washington as it stands with Amazon and all the rest

subtle depot Dec 7, 2018, 11:09 PM

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Mega corporation conspiracies about a video game? I can dig it

tall moat Dec 8, 2018, 1:43 AM

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@last anchor Yeah but the problem is, there’s no high resolution non comic image of Naiya Ray, they had to use a generic Spartan from the in-game menu 😂

obsidian thistle Dec 8, 2018, 1:54 AM

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I have to check if they use the armor set defined by the Catalog

subtle depot Dec 8, 2018, 2:06 AM

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Okay I need help settling a bet between me and my brother. Would a mammoth or scarab win in a head to head fight? I say mammoth because it has the Mac gun but what do you guys think?

obsidian thistle Dec 8, 2018, 2:09 AM

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Seeing as a Lich was able to take out a Mammoths weaponry. And the Scarab has a superior mobility. I hate to break it to ye but I think the Scarab wins.

pearl raven Dec 8, 2018, 2:09 AM

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i think the scarab wins too

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it has far better mobility

gilded mason Dec 8, 2018, 2:10 AM

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Yeah, I'd go with Scarab.

pearl raven Dec 8, 2018, 2:10 AM

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and other than the legs it pretty indestructible

obsidian thistle Dec 8, 2018, 2:11 AM

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Plus it depends on the Scarab

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I mean the Type-47 Scarab can have its focus cannon tuned to be uber powerful

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At the cost of killing the Lekgolo inside it

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The Banished already do that

gilded mason Dec 8, 2018, 2:14 AM

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Lovely bunch, the Banished.

obsidian thistle Dec 8, 2018, 2:14 AM

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The Type-29 Scarab is already powerful

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The Type-36 would be interesting also

pearl raven Dec 8, 2018, 2:14 AM

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oof

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i needa get in on the lore craps more

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i cant keep up with yall

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where do you learn?

obsidian thistle Dec 8, 2018, 2:15 AM

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Well

subtle depot Dec 8, 2018, 2:15 AM

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Okay thanks for the feedback guys

obsidian thistle Dec 8, 2018, 2:15 AM

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... I learn from numerous places like books and add it to a wiki.

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Others may learn from said wiki

gilded mason Dec 8, 2018, 2:16 AM

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where do you learn?
Books, terminals, data logs, etc

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And Halopedia.

obsidian thistle Dec 8, 2018, 2:17 AM

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Took me ages to get the Scarabs somewhat organised on the wiki but here

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https://www.halopedia.org/Scarab

Scarab

Scarab redirects here. For other uses, see Scarab (disambiguation).
"Scarab" is the name applied to a series of Covenant quadrupedal mining platforms.

pearl raven Dec 8, 2018, 2:17 AM

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ok

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thanks

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ill look into it moer

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more*

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i wanna learn

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but im short on time rite now

obsidian thistle Dec 8, 2018, 2:17 AM

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PS my fav is the Halo Wars Type-47B Scarab

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Also fun fact time. Did you know the Covies had a Type-47B Scarab on Harvest near the relic during Halo Wars 1. But we never face it

pearl raven Dec 8, 2018, 2:20 AM

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no

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i didnt

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da freak is a Type-47B?

obsidian thistle Dec 8, 2018, 2:21 AM

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The Arbiter wanted to make the Focus cannon stronger, which was very much against the wishes of the guy working on it. Due to the whole Lekgolo being killed thing

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The Type-47B is the Scarab in Halo 3, Reach, and Halo Wars

pearl raven Dec 8, 2018, 2:22 AM

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ahh

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ok

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well

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how long does it take to finish HW?

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lil bro dudnt like it

obsidian thistle Dec 8, 2018, 2:23 AM

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Depends how good you are at Console Strategy games tbh.

pearl raven Dec 8, 2018, 2:23 AM

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needa play it on my own time

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ok

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well

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i have no experience sooo

modest marsh Dec 8, 2018, 2:39 AM

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The Scarab might have a mobility advantage but that is only going to matter at close range engagements

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The Mammoth’s MAC can fire faster and has significantly more range, and will obliterate the Scarab

obsidian thistle Dec 8, 2018, 2:42 AM

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If the Scarab is a fully finished Halo Wars Super Scarab however.

tall moat Dec 8, 2018, 2:43 AM

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Now thats not the Scarab we’re referring to

obsidian thistle Dec 8, 2018, 2:43 AM

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A scarab variant never defined

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Saying Scarab refers to the Family name

modest marsh Dec 8, 2018, 2:45 AM

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Is there anything indicating a Super Scarab would survive a MAC?

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The thing destroyed a Forerunner particle cannon that was at least a hundred meters wide

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A weapon that strong would be able to destroy anything short of a corvette, let alone a comparatively small assault platform

obsidian thistle Dec 8, 2018, 2:50 AM

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We have no idea if it would go down. Even a Type-47A survived but was crippled by one. Which you can see in a Halo 2 map

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And that was done by a ship

tall moat Dec 8, 2018, 2:50 AM

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A frigate fired a MAC round in-atmosphere on the Turf Scarab?

modest marsh Dec 8, 2018, 2:51 AM

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“Survive” is a stretch

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A Scarab gets disabled from a Pelican impact

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It’s structural integrity is besides the point if the trauma from that is enough to mission kill it

obsidian thistle Dec 8, 2018, 2:53 AM

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That is a Type-47B

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If your refering to Halo Reach

modest marsh Dec 8, 2018, 2:53 AM

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Are Type-47A necessarily many times tougher than the base model?

obsidian thistle Dec 8, 2018, 2:54 AM

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Well it took a frigate MAC to disable it.

modest marsh Dec 8, 2018, 2:54 AM

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“It needing it” doesn’t really tell you how much of it was needed

obsidian thistle Dec 8, 2018, 2:54 AM

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And it still tried to get back up

modest marsh Dec 8, 2018, 2:55 AM

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The frigate may have underpowered the shot so as to conserve the amount of power used by the reactors

tall moat Dec 8, 2018, 2:55 AM

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I dont see any mention of the Turf Scarab being downed by a frigate

obsidian thistle Dec 8, 2018, 2:56 AM

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https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/universe/locations/new-mombasa

Halo Waypoint

New Mombasa

Home of Earth’s first space elevator, New Mombasa developed into a sprawling metropolis. The city was mostly destroyed by the Covenant during their assault of Earth.

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Here ye go

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That explains it

modest marsh Dec 8, 2018, 2:56 AM

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Not all MAC rounds have the same amount of power put behind them

obsidian thistle Dec 8, 2018, 2:57 AM

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Oh I know. But to put it mildly would the MAC of a Mammoth really be equal to a Frigate.

tall moat Dec 8, 2018, 2:58 AM

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Dam you guys are making such good arguments

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I cant decide who to get behind lol

modest marsh Dec 8, 2018, 2:58 AM

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Well also, the fact that the round has to reenter the atmosphere reduces how fast it’s going

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Significantly longer travel time

obsidian thistle Dec 8, 2018, 2:59 AM

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I have to head off now sadly... and it was getting fun also :(

modest marsh Dec 8, 2018, 2:59 AM

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The Mammoth’s MAC is the fraction of the size but that also means it’s likely to penetrate more

tall moat Dec 8, 2018, 2:59 AM

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Get back here, Jenkins! That’s an order!

modest marsh Dec 8, 2018, 3:01 AM

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Also, quite frankly the crater produced by the frigate’s MAC is visibly in the sub-kiloton range

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Also consider the combat theater

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That’s close fire support, meaning friendlies and civvies were very likely within a kilometer radius

tall moat Dec 8, 2018, 3:04 AM

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All sound points 😧

versed helm Dec 8, 2018, 4:15 AM

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Holy crap! A 47A takes a MAC round from a frigate to disable??

last anchor Dec 8, 2018, 4:21 AM

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Or one Spartan getting aboard

versed helm Dec 8, 2018, 4:25 AM

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Spartans are good like that :p

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Why does Waypoint give such crumby stats for vehicle weights though?

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For example, the SOEIV weights only 500kg (1100lbs), but warfleet states it as a more accurate 870kg (1925lbs). The Halo Encyclopedia has the Type-47B as over 4000 tonnes, but the entry states it as a mere 176 tonnes.

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Then you have stuff like the M820 being around as dense as water, which I've pointed out before

obsidian thistle Dec 8, 2018, 5:04 AM

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May depend on the drop pod @versed helm

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And treat the Encyclopedia like this.

Canon. But if any source contradicts it. Any at all. That other source is canon.

limpid kernel Dec 8, 2018, 5:08 AM

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Can we retcon chief being scared of flood

gilded mason Dec 8, 2018, 5:08 AM

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Why?

limpid kernel Dec 8, 2018, 5:09 AM

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Because chief doesn't afraid of anything 😦

subtle depot Dec 8, 2018, 5:10 AM

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Except the flood

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And losing Cortana as we see in halo 4

gilded mason Dec 8, 2018, 5:10 AM

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I imagine his fellow Spartans coming to grievous harm would also qualify.

limpid kernel Dec 8, 2018, 5:11 AM

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Well yeah

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But I mean maybe be at least less scared of the flood

gilded mason Dec 8, 2018, 5:12 AM

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Nah, I like his fear of the Flood. Makes me like him more.

limpid kernel Dec 8, 2018, 5:12 AM

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Big cyborg lucky guy literally shaking in fear over a flood

gilded mason Dec 8, 2018, 5:12 AM

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It's a pretty scary thing.

subtle depot Dec 8, 2018, 5:12 AM

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It it contacts him telepathically I’d be scared too

limpid kernel Dec 8, 2018, 5:13 AM

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I'd soil myself

subtle depot Dec 8, 2018, 5:14 AM

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You guys online right now? On xbox?

gilded mason Dec 8, 2018, 5:14 AM

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Not I.

limpid kernel Dec 8, 2018, 5:15 AM

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I wish I could but my internet being wonkey today

subtle depot Dec 8, 2018, 5:15 AM

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Ah okay then

limpid kernel Dec 8, 2018, 5:15 AM

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We could probably play flooded playlist together 🤔

subtle depot Dec 8, 2018, 5:16 AM

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I was thinking reach but okay

limpid kernel Dec 8, 2018, 5:16 AM

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That too

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I hope my internet will be normal tomorrow

fair hazel Dec 8, 2018, 5:26 AM

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Fear is normal

limpid kernel Dec 8, 2018, 5:29 AM

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I know I know

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It just feels weird for one of my heroes like him to scared of an enemy that he usually can handles

quiet dock Dec 8, 2018, 5:31 AM

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Lack of fear is irrational

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Chief is canonically scared of failure at the very least

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Chief is human, which Halo 4 helped reinforce

versed helm Dec 8, 2018, 5:31 AM

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I thought the main thing that made chief special was that he knew there was more than meets the eye in terms of his victory?

quiet dock Dec 8, 2018, 5:32 AM

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He was lucky lol

versed helm Dec 8, 2018, 5:32 AM

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Most other Spartans would just read the terrain, noticed they can't win and say "well, I'm screwed"

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Which is why I would be inclined to think he's the best

quiet dock Dec 8, 2018, 5:33 AM

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Most other Spartans would fight just as hard as he would

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Regardless of the odds

limpid kernel Dec 8, 2018, 5:33 AM

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I don't mean for chief to be not scared at all

versed helm Dec 8, 2018, 5:34 AM

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But only when they can see a chance of them winning. If there's no physical evidence of the possibility, they would usually just accept their fate

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Like Halo 3's believe marketing scheme, I think Chief would simply believe it no matter what's in front of him saying he's going to die

limpid kernel Dec 8, 2018, 5:35 AM

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Master Chief is my favorite spartan ever

quiet dock Dec 8, 2018, 5:36 AM

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If anything Chief has ever fought would scare him

versed helm Dec 8, 2018, 5:36 AM

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Same here, lol

quiet dock Dec 8, 2018, 5:36 AM

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The flood is capable of it

versed helm Dec 8, 2018, 5:36 AM

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But on a 1 on 1 scenario, I'd say Linda is the best Spartan

quiet dock Dec 8, 2018, 5:37 AM

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Being a Spartan is more than being fast, strong, or a talented marksman

versed helm Dec 8, 2018, 5:37 AM

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However when putting their abilities in practical terms on the battlefield, I'd go with John

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Exactly.

quiet dock Dec 8, 2018, 5:37 AM

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There is no true best Spartan

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They all have their own advantages and disadvantages over others

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And would readily admit that

versed helm Dec 8, 2018, 5:38 AM

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Agreed, it's a lot more grey than I can truly give a real determining factor to

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But if I needed a stab in the dark, that's my opinion

quiet dock Dec 8, 2018, 5:39 AM

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If it were a fist fight

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Kelly, because speed is more important than raw strength

versed helm Dec 8, 2018, 5:39 AM

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Hmm.. Maybe

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Likely, actually

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If I remember TFoR right

quiet dock Dec 8, 2018, 5:40 AM

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Gunfight, Linda May be the the best of the best, but at the level Spartans are at their differences in marksmanship are probably minute

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So I would say a draw

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The real test would be as field commanders controlling armies

versed helm Dec 8, 2018, 5:40 AM

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Kurt

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Also Kurt would be the greatest assassin. Hard to top a psychic as someone who isn't

feral perch Dec 8, 2018, 6:04 AM

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Kurt wasn't psychic, he just had a lot of intuition. Like John's luck.

versed helm Dec 8, 2018, 6:17 AM

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Don't see the difference

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Reading out events non-physically without any involvement of the five human senses? Sounds pretty psychic to me.

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feral perch Dec 8, 2018, 6:22 AM

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I haven't read Ghosts of Onyx in a while but I'm fairly certain that the five senses were involved in some way or other

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For instance, when Kurt saved Blue Team in 2531, he saw Innie troops unloading tons of AP ammo. That was sight, from which his mind deduced that something was off

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A gut feeling, but triggered by one of the five senses

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He just has really spectacular intuition

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Or had

versed helm Dec 8, 2018, 6:36 AM

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Not necessarily. If he had fully been using his sight, he would have easily relayed the oddities back to John and co, without them having to fully review the scenario. It's heavily implied to be something more

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Looking back, even Kelly looks to have some form of a Spidey-sense

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"One of the unknown was near; she couldn't hear it.. Just a tickling in the back of her mind, a sixth sense that told her she was being watched..."

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"...and whatever was doing the watching was now too close for comfort. There was a motion in Kelly's peripheral vision, a blur."

knotty kernel Dec 8, 2018, 8:12 AM

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I forgot which book but I recall motion sensors picking up needles rifle rounds

versed helm Dec 8, 2018, 8:13 AM

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I wonder how large the NCA is

last anchor Dec 8, 2018, 8:23 AM

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Depends on how much is stuff kicking them

versed helm Dec 8, 2018, 8:26 AM

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I still like to know more about Mattius Drake..other than what we already have of him

last anchor Dec 8, 2018, 8:28 AM

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I wonder what happened in Midnight to him...

versed helm Dec 8, 2018, 8:34 AM

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We barely have any information on him either

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I also wonder if we'll ever see the NCA make an appearance again

versed helm Dec 8, 2018, 8:50 AM

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Could make for a good Halo Legends Volume 2 episode

last anchor Dec 8, 2018, 8:51 AM

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We need one

versed helm Dec 8, 2018, 8:53 AM

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More than ever. Halo's lore is massive compared to then now

last anchor Dec 8, 2018, 8:53 AM

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Origins Part III?

versed helm Dec 8, 2018, 9:01 AM

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Maybe

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If we were to see a NCA episode, I think it would be cool to see some of their operatives obtaining some H/Y exoskeletons like the one from Prototype (albeit Spartan-size) for an ad-hoc operation to neutralise some Spartans like say, Blue Team (Barring John)

knotty kernel Dec 8, 2018, 11:20 AM

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I want more halo anime

honest jacinth Dec 8, 2018, 12:02 PM

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so

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why did ONI betray Master Chief?

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I don't see how portraying him as a lunatic that sides with the Sangheili benefits humanity

tall moat Dec 8, 2018, 12:15 PM

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I want an image of the S-14s from Silent Storm...

tall moat Dec 8, 2018, 1:00 PM

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I find it cool how a Sangheili’s nostrils flaring is described as a second set of eyes in Silent Storm, and the Spartan Field Manual supplements this by saying their nostrils are actually below their eyes

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Continuity 100

versed helm Dec 8, 2018, 1:16 PM

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Besides John and Blue Team,Grey Team,and Red Team from HW...what other Spartan IIs are still active as of 2559?

tall moat Dec 8, 2018, 1:18 PM

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Omega Team

versed helm Dec 8, 2018, 1:18 PM

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Naomi?

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Whatever happened to Omega Team?

tall moat Dec 8, 2018, 1:48 PM

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Halopedia states that they are still active

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Strange that there are 40 operational Spartans listed on the Spartan-II Program page

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Very cool that all of them are named though

honest jacinth Dec 8, 2018, 1:51 PM

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interesting

tall moat Dec 8, 2018, 1:55 PM

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Scratch that, 43 operational Spartans - Red Team was left out of the list for some reason

carmine sleet Dec 8, 2018, 1:55 PM

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Likely because the wider UNSC doesn't know they're still alive

tall moat Dec 8, 2018, 1:58 PM

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These are the only Spartan-IIs still confirmed to be active:

-Blue Team (John-117, Kelly-087, Linda-058, Fred-104)
-Red Team (Jerome-092, Douglas-042, Alice-130)
-Grey Team (Jai-006, Mike-120, Adriana-111)
-Omega Team (August-099, Robert-025, Leon-011)
-Naomi-010

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Fourteen in total, with the possibility of Maria-062 being retired and alive

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RIP the class of ‘17 😢

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(2517)

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@carmine sleet I think the Halopedians know they’re still alive lol

honest jacinth Dec 8, 2018, 2:10 PM

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ah red team

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one day the Spirit of Fire will return to civilization

tall moat Dec 8, 2018, 2:13 PM

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Man reading through the Spartan-III page is even more depressing...

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Alpha Company:
Jun-A266 nearly the sole survivor, except for the recently introduced Kevin-A282 in Halo: Fractures

Beta Company:
Lucy-B091 and Tom-B292 sole survivors.

Gamma Company:
Ash-G099, Olivia-G291, Mark-G313, and Spartan-G059 as the only named survivors.

honest jacinth Dec 8, 2018, 2:18 PM

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with the Headhunter program etc.

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sure is

tall moat Dec 8, 2018, 2:18 PM

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8 confirmed S-III survivors and an unspecified amount of other Gamma Company Spartan-IIIs incorporated into Spartan Branch... 😢

honest jacinth Dec 8, 2018, 2:18 PM

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at least they ain't dead

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salute

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Remember reach bois

tall moat Dec 8, 2018, 2:19 PM

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Yeah the Gammas are the only slightly uplifting part about the IIIs

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Kids that were too late to the fight, but got to live 🥳

versed helm Dec 8, 2018, 2:19 PM

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Remember New Mombasa

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Remember Harvest

tall moat Dec 8, 2018, 2:20 PM

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Ooh at least the Headhunter from Spartan Strike didn’t die!

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Dang and he/she has a partner too!

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By the gods, two MORE surviving S-IIIs have been bestowed upon us!

honest jacinth Dec 8, 2018, 2:23 PM

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now there's two of em!

tall moat Dec 8, 2018, 2:25 PM

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Oh craaap maybe the orange Warmaster-donning Headhunter pair from Spartan Strike are re-purposed Gammas!

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How did I not see that before, considering that there are still around 300 Gammas running around out there lol

warped fiber Dec 8, 2018, 3:22 PM

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He could be easily be a Alpha or even Beta S-III. But it's possible they are Spartan - IV headhunter

tall moat Dec 8, 2018, 3:33 PM

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I dont think there are many Alpha/Beta survivors left, if any

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But 343 could always pull a Kevin-A282

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Most likely (and hopefully 😊) a Gamma

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Havent heard of S-IV Headhunters yet either

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Well there’s Naiya Ray... but that is just one instance

last anchor Dec 8, 2018, 6:19 PM

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We also have the possible survival of the guy from Battleborne.

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Assuming he doesnt die

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S-IV headhunters do exist, War Master armor exists for them

velvet venture Dec 8, 2018, 7:50 PM

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Omega team made their first appearance in Halo wars @tall moat after the evacuation of Arcadia City

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And I, made my first appearance in Halo: CE

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I’m happy to be a Spartan

obsidian thistle Dec 8, 2018, 7:55 PM

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John-117s first appearance was Halo: The Fall of Reach ;)

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As that did come out first

left depot Dec 8, 2018, 8:05 PM

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E3 2000?

obsidian thistle Dec 8, 2018, 8:08 PM

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First canon appearance

left depot Dec 8, 2018, 8:09 PM

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Watching that trailer now though, chief sounds like ROB from star fox 64

feral perch Dec 8, 2018, 8:32 PM

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and the way his head moves lol

dusty pilot Dec 8, 2018, 9:52 PM

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Imagine if he kept that voice till now...

subtle depot Dec 8, 2018, 11:00 PM

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Please no

spiral sage Dec 8, 2018, 11:23 PM

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Grey team. Next game. Plz.

versed helm Dec 8, 2018, 11:27 PM

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I think making Blue Team actually likeable in the games is higher priority IMO

obsidian thistle Dec 8, 2018, 11:27 PM

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I believe if the comics are any indicators that might be a first step

versed helm Dec 8, 2018, 11:28 PM

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I hope. This Lone Wolf preview already looks to be a step in the right direction

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Considering how Escalation just made them feel really bland, and that was followed even more by Halo 5, you might be right about it being somewhat of an indicator

obsidian thistle Dec 8, 2018, 11:30 PM

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Escalations didnt really use them to their full extent to be frank

versed helm Dec 8, 2018, 11:31 PM

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Agreed, it felt a little like some novice fan-fiction writer's attempt. Fortunately they have someone much more experienced in writing great video game narratives now

versed helm Dec 8, 2018, 11:47 PM

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It's understandable, though. I couldn't imagine how hard it must be to vent your heart properly when you have deadlines and people managing the direction in an inorganic fashion.

versed helm Dec 9, 2018, 12:36 AM

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@obsidian thistle interesting little detail about Mark IV and V. If the two models merely doubled John's lifting capacity, he would actually have a lower strength-to-weight ratio than out of the armour, and hence a detained movement speed and agility.

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For a 450kg armoured John, his movement coefficient would actually be 0.578 of what he can achieve out of armour; meaning the retcon to it also being a factor of five makes the most sense from the animated version.

last anchor Dec 9, 2018, 12:38 AM

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Maybe thats why they retconned it

versed helm Dec 9, 2018, 12:39 AM

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Most likely. He question now is whether that would scale with the Mark VI

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or maybe they could just chalk up their heightened abilities to just being their augmentations adapting over time.

last anchor Dec 9, 2018, 12:40 AM

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I mean thats basically what happened with most of the S-IIs

versed helm Dec 9, 2018, 12:41 AM

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True. It also makes Cal's showing of strength more feasible for someone in such an older model of armor

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From what I know, it's only once you reach Mark VII where fighting brutes in hand-to-hand gives you a significant strength advantage.

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last anchor Dec 9, 2018, 12:43 AM

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I believe thats correct yes

versed helm Dec 9, 2018, 12:45 AM

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Oh, also! When the suit augments strength by 5, this would allow John to move almost 45 percent faster in the suit, which aligns well with Kelly being surprised at the suit's speed enhancements

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Since the difference in speed would be to Kelly what kelly is to other Spartans, most likely

limpid kernel Dec 9, 2018, 2:35 AM

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Can an ODST actually pick up a gravity hammer

tall moat Dec 9, 2018, 2:50 AM

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Probably

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Maybe not wield it effectively

unique rune Dec 9, 2018, 2:58 AM

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They weigh 85 pounds... so... I would think they can.

versed helm Dec 9, 2018, 3:35 AM

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Depends on the hammer. The variant seen in Halo Wars 2 looks small enough to be used by them, as it looks to be a smaller kind. The one seen in the Halo 4 prologue, however, looks far too big.

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Maybe as much as 1-2 tonnes

limpid kernel Dec 9, 2018, 3:41 AM

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the one in halo 3

versed helm Dec 9, 2018, 3:42 AM

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Maybe. Not sure.

limpid kernel Dec 9, 2018, 3:42 AM

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i imagined it would be a little difficult to use but it seems the ODST can use it just as easily as a spartan

honest jacinth Dec 9, 2018, 3:47 AM

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I think lore wise it'd be a bit hard for an ODST to do so

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unless they've done so in comics/books

versed helm Dec 9, 2018, 3:48 AM

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Not to my knowledge.

modest marsh Dec 9, 2018, 3:54 AM

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the gravitic pulse from the hammer would kill the ODST trying to use it

versed helm Dec 9, 2018, 3:55 AM

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That's if he could even lift some of them off the ground

modest marsh Dec 9, 2018, 3:55 AM

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eh

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the Fist of Rukt is considered an especially large hammer at "only" 156kg

versed helm Dec 9, 2018, 3:56 AM

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Not even close to being the largest though.

modest marsh Dec 9, 2018, 3:57 AM

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by no means is it, although the drastically larger ones are certainly exceptions

versed helm Dec 9, 2018, 3:58 AM

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And to be fair, that's unrealistically light. By the looks of it, that would make it only as dense as something like aluminium

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Considering the gargantuan, barbaric nature of brutes, I would expect it to be as least as dense as steel

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modest marsh Dec 9, 2018, 3:59 AM

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yeah, the weights never made sense

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we still have 400lb Elites

versed helm Dec 9, 2018, 4:00 AM

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I think it's just a Waypoint thing. Warfleet and other encyclopedias have given better numbers for things

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I know lol

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After seeing how big those elites are, what are they made of? Feathers?

tall moat Dec 9, 2018, 4:21 AM

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Stop putting -

modest marsh Dec 9, 2018, 4:22 AM

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tall moat Dec 9, 2018, 4:22 AM

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Stop it, Sheeran

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Lol the Spartan Field Manual ratings are absolute BS

versed helm Dec 9, 2018, 4:24 AM

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I use it to prevent potential walls of text

tall moat Dec 9, 2018, 4:24 AM

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This aint a blog, and its wasting space

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Anyway the ratings go from 1-10 but you only ever see certain numbers being re-used

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They really dont highlight the differences between ordnance

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The Ghost also ranked higher in every department (‘cept one) compared to the WARTHOG

modest marsh Dec 9, 2018, 4:26 AM

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yeah those rankings are BS

tall moat Dec 9, 2018, 4:26 AM

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Sniper Rifle has the same damage rating as Rocket Launcher 😑

modest marsh Dec 9, 2018, 4:27 AM

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if i had to guess

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i think it's damage per shot?

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like gameplay wise

tall moat Dec 9, 2018, 4:27 AM

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Lmao focus rifle got 10/10 too

modest marsh Dec 9, 2018, 4:27 AM

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so a sniper rifle is a one shot kill

tall moat Dec 9, 2018, 4:27 AM

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Have they played the games at all?

modest marsh Dec 9, 2018, 4:27 AM

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focus rifle is one big shot

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tbh

tall moat Dec 9, 2018, 4:28 AM

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Mm but Fuel Rod Cannon got a 9

modest marsh Dec 9, 2018, 4:28 AM

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the fuel rod gun is also a one shot kill

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with a direct hit that is

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wait hold on

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why is it listed as the cannon?

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it's called the fuel rod gun

versed helm Dec 9, 2018, 4:29 AM

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I can't think of a way to justify those stats

tall moat Dec 9, 2018, 4:29 AM

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Either is fine

gilded mason Dec 9, 2018, 4:29 AM

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Only called 'gun' back in CE, I'm fairly sure.

tall moat Dec 9, 2018, 4:29 AM

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And even worse

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The Incineration Cannon got a SIX

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What game have they been playing??

modest marsh Dec 9, 2018, 4:29 AM

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incineration cannon as of 5 is technically a two shot kill

gilded mason Dec 9, 2018, 4:29 AM

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The Incineration Cannon got a SIX
lol

modest marsh Dec 9, 2018, 4:29 AM

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yeah

tall moat Dec 9, 2018, 4:29 AM

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Who gives a crap about shots to kill

modest marsh Dec 9, 2018, 4:30 AM

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same as the spike rifle

tall moat Dec 9, 2018, 4:30 AM

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Just damage in general

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Aghhh the plasma rifle got a 7

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There better be different scales for Infantry, Heavy, and Vehicle Damage

modest marsh Dec 9, 2018, 4:31 AM

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i don't think any of this is usable

tall moat Dec 9, 2018, 4:31 AM

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That would be the only way it’d make some semblance of sense

modest marsh Dec 9, 2018, 4:31 AM

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in any context

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i'm not sure why they were added in

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there's plenty of other pieces of information they could've included

tall moat Dec 9, 2018, 4:31 AM

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Its like they wanted us to create our own boardgames or sth but gave us the worst values instead

versed helm Dec 9, 2018, 4:32 AM

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There could be other variables accounted for ie reliability

tall moat Dec 9, 2018, 4:32 AM

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The stupid combat knife got an 8/10 Damage Rating!

modest marsh Dec 9, 2018, 4:32 AM

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the combat knife is pretty strong tbh

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poked out the Didact's eye

versed helm Dec 9, 2018, 4:32 AM

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IC maybe got a 6 due to it's unpredictable WMD nature

tall moat Dec 9, 2018, 4:32 AM

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Nothing in comparison to the Incineration Cannon

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That would go under the Handling criteria

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Or even Reliability

versed helm Dec 9, 2018, 4:33 AM

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Is there a handling criteria?

tall moat Dec 9, 2018, 4:34 AM

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The five criteria are:
Range
RoF
Damage
Reliability
Handling

versed helm Dec 9, 2018, 4:34 AM

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Then I'm not sure

tall moat Dec 9, 2018, 4:34 AM

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And both Sniper Rifle and Focus Rifle got a ONE for RoF

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This is pretty pathetic, looks like a kid threw in some imaginary numbers

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The Ghost has twice the armor of a Warthog (4:2)

modest marsh Dec 9, 2018, 4:36 AM

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lol

tall moat Dec 9, 2018, 4:36 AM

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The Magnum has a 1/10 RoF and 3/10 Range+Damage when it is one of the best loadout weapons in H5

modest marsh Dec 9, 2018, 4:36 AM

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the same vehicle with a big glaring weakspot

versed helm Dec 9, 2018, 4:36 AM

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Any chance of a definitive edition? It would be easier if they just gave actual statistics like muzzle velocity, air burst KE etc

modest marsh Dec 9, 2018, 4:36 AM

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i don't see any chance in hell of that happening

tall moat Dec 9, 2018, 4:37 AM

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Yeah this Manual is definitely not at the level of Warfleet

modest marsh Dec 9, 2018, 4:37 AM

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well tbf

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the intended audience is in fact children

tall moat Dec 9, 2018, 4:38 AM

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Also I have found 4 editing mistakes so far

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And the norm for a Halo novel is 1-2

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I always wonder how the person who was paid to do this could miss so many blatant errors

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Apparently the Wasp has a top speed of 500km/h too?

feral perch Dec 9, 2018, 4:47 AM

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Oh goodness

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Bad Blood had an insane number of typos and/or printing errors

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It was like they had no quality control

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For that novel

tall moat Dec 9, 2018, 4:50 AM

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I didnt notice out of the ordinary but it mightve been because I was so tired during all those late nights

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But yeah, I’m not happy with how many errors I typically find in a piece of lengthy Halo fiction

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I have officially run out of space...
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486078631127416833/521188025938739211/image0.jpg

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What am I gonna do when Halo: Renegades comes out?

versed helm Dec 9, 2018, 4:59 AM

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Can you read digital?

tall moat Dec 9, 2018, 5:00 AM

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Well... I would like to add to my overflowing collection

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I still much prefer something tangible

versed helm Dec 9, 2018, 5:01 AM

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A usb

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Idk

tall moat Dec 9, 2018, 5:02 AM

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A datapad, I would accept

versed helm Dec 9, 2018, 5:03 AM

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Something for the marketing folks to look into

limpid kernel Dec 9, 2018, 7:21 AM

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I got another lore question

versed helm Dec 9, 2018, 7:22 AM

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Yeah

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Shoot

limpid kernel Dec 9, 2018, 7:22 AM

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In the final level for Halo 1, Cortana plans for them to get off the Halo ring by foehammer pelican

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But can it really be fast enough to escape in 3 minutes?

last anchor Dec 9, 2018, 7:23 AM

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Yes. Pelicans can reach escape velocity easily

versed helm Dec 9, 2018, 7:23 AM

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I think TFoR described them as capable of reaching escape velocity

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^

last anchor Dec 9, 2018, 7:23 AM

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I mean they ARE dropships so

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Thats their job. To get down from orbit with a load of soldiers, vehicles, whatever, then get them back up again

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TECNINCALLY some pelicans are specifically made for that, others are for troop carrying, vehicles, supplies, whatever

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Hence the TAL (tacitcal air lifter) from Reach and the TC (troop carrier) variation from elsewhere

limpid kernel Dec 9, 2018, 7:25 AM

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Wow, I never thought they could be that fast

honest jacinth Dec 9, 2018, 7:28 AM

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yea they look like they're hella slow

versed helm Dec 9, 2018, 7:29 AM

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Hella hella

last anchor Dec 9, 2018, 7:35 AM

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They look slow and ungaily, yes. But they can actually break twice the speed of sound easily

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Again, depends on the mdoel of Pelican Im pretty sure

versed helm Dec 9, 2018, 7:37 AM

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They're the Brock Lesnar of armoured aircraft

last anchor Dec 9, 2018, 7:39 AM

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Yes, thats not a bad symaly

tall moat Dec 9, 2018, 7:43 AM

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Spartan Field Manual says their top speed is 900km/h

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Thought it does not specify which model

last anchor Dec 9, 2018, 7:44 AM

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Those numbers are funky anyway. DOnt trust them

versed helm Dec 9, 2018, 7:52 AM

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Similar to the Fist of Rukt having a low enough density to float

last anchor Dec 9, 2018, 7:56 AM

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And the Fuel Rode cannon apperently only being examinable in the post-2552 versions, despite you being able to use them in every game post CE

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Also stating that the M808B Scorpion is the most common, despite it apperently being phased out by the M820

subtle depot Dec 9, 2018, 8:11 AM

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Where are you in the final level of CE when you are about to get picked up by foehammer like what part of the ship is that?

carmine sleet Dec 9, 2018, 8:13 AM

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The Warthog run in Halo CE is longer than the length of the Pillar of Autumn so allot of it doesn't really make much sense

versed helm Dec 9, 2018, 8:22 AM

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If only The Flood novel didn't exist, then I could've just had my head-canon that he ran all the way to the Longsword like a maniac

limpid kernel Dec 9, 2018, 8:25 AM

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Maybe some of those rooms could have just not existed and the halls are shorter

versed helm Dec 9, 2018, 8:27 AM

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Maybe he took an elevator

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Like in the middle of the run

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I have to admit, they did a really good job making crawling up an elevator dramatic as hell lol

limpid kernel Dec 9, 2018, 8:28 AM

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There was that large gap drop

versed helm Dec 9, 2018, 8:29 AM

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The most intense moment in all of Halo

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Violin Hiss

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I've always wondered why MJOLNIR doesn't augment the user's speed much, considering it amplifies strength 5x and heightens agility by 45%. You'd expect at least some improvement

limpid kernel Dec 9, 2018, 1:35 PM

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You mean just for gameplay?

feral perch Dec 9, 2018, 4:28 PM

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It's called Sprint

limpid kernel Dec 9, 2018, 4:45 PM

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I heard in lore they can run as fast as a warthog

fair hazel Dec 9, 2018, 4:57 PM

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first of all, there is a narrative framework within the spartan field manual, it is written from an in-universe perspective. Not an outside of universe guide book

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second of all, speeds for several of those vehicles says, LOITERING.

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so that's their max LOITERING speeds

last anchor Dec 9, 2018, 5:54 PM

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Not the Pelican thou, most of those are for Covenant vehicles, which can sorta-hover

obsidian thistle Dec 9, 2018, 7:51 PM

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The Spartan Field manual also can have in-universe errors.

Either print errors, UNSC propaganda, Thorne and Grant mistakes (they did edit stuff Grant admits it), and outright obmissions

last anchor Dec 9, 2018, 7:52 PM

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Abriding of events for simplicities sake

swift igloo Dec 9, 2018, 10:23 PM

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Do you guys think Jun will ever be in another Halo game?

feral perch Dec 9, 2018, 10:27 PM

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Possibly

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When might we hear about this mysterious Seth AI that was onboard the Spirit of Fire when they came out of slipspace above the Ark?

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He's a dumb AI, I'm sure

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a backup for Serina?

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It's funny, he's kind of like Roland in that he's completely absent from the main campaign, just present in the preface of each issue of Rise of Atriox.

versed helm Dec 9, 2018, 10:30 PM

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Maybe he’s like Wellesley? The dumb AI from the flood

obsidian thistle Dec 9, 2018, 10:31 PM

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Or maybe he is just an AI who looks after information and recovers it. A talking Goog... I mean Bing.

feral perch Dec 9, 2018, 10:34 PM

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Honestly, the first time I read the Flood, I didn't notice Wellesley was a dumb AI

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he seemed to have the personality of a Smart AI

warm ingot Dec 10, 2018, 12:38 AM

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I’ve played Halo Fireteam Raven it is fun.

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 2:46 AM

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I wonder..why haven't we seen more of the UNSC Army?

feral perch Dec 10, 2018, 3:04 AM

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They're more specialized because they'e primarily ground based

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Marines seem to be more dynamic, especially considering most of the places we visit are arrived at via a spacefaring vessel

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and those vessels usually have a complement of Marines

keen ravine Dec 10, 2018, 3:18 AM

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So. what's with the Grunts going from Masks to Tubes in the Games?

dusty pilot Dec 10, 2018, 3:31 AM

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who knows

unique rune Dec 10, 2018, 3:36 AM

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New model combat harness/rebreather. Nasal tube would probably be less cumbersome than a near-full-face mask.

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 3:47 AM

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Halsey gave birth to Miranda in 2525, but none of the books mention people noticing her being Prego before that ? I thought John would notice, all the Spartans would have. Was she just good at hiding it?

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She probably didn't show it

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 4:50 AM

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Maybe women don’t get pregnant in the 26th century

unique rune Dec 10, 2018, 4:53 AM

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thinkingchief

last anchor Dec 10, 2018, 5:49 AM

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Retcons XD

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 6:00 AM

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I want more of Castor in future Halo media.

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 6:12 AM

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I have a feeling he’ll be confused with Atriox though...

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But that could be countered by simply releasing a contrasting image of him, perhaps even battling the Banished

last anchor Dec 10, 2018, 6:15 AM

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Hes a follower of the Path. He'll fight Atroix even if Atroix wasn't everything he didnt stand for

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Its what Brutes DO

maiden mica Dec 10, 2018, 6:32 AM

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What was the name of that drug that made Spartans go worldbreaker super saijan berserker?

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the one that made a spartan run though an army even tho he was missing half his chest?

gilded mason Dec 10, 2018, 6:34 AM

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009762-OO: A mutagen that alters key regions of the subject's frontal lobe. Enhances aggression, strength, endurance, and tolerance to injury under stress. Kept in check by the antipsychotic and bipolar-integration drugs, colloquially known among the Gamma Spartans as "Smoothers".
009927-DG: Miso-olanzapine. An antipsychotic. Counters the mutagen's properties.
009127-PX: Cyclodexione-4. A bipolar-integration drug. Counters the mutagen's properties.```

maiden mica Dec 10, 2018, 6:37 AM

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thank you

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Salchicha

honest jacinth Dec 10, 2018, 6:39 AM

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Kurt sneaky boi

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 7:20 AM

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What’s that tank on Jorge’s chest plate

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 7:20 AM

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XLR8 asking the real questions here

last anchor Dec 10, 2018, 7:24 AM

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I think its a power distributor for the prototype shield system

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That or its a cooler, for beer

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 7:26 AM

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They did mention Grenadier pioneered certain MJOLNIR upgrades

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Something to do with reducing concussive force? Early Smart AI Matrix? Upgraded shield generator makes sense too...

maiden mica Dec 10, 2018, 7:35 AM

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XLR8 missed the biggest opportunity to say:
"What's in the canister?"
Ever presented, smh

last anchor Dec 10, 2018, 7:36 AM

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DARN

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 8:55 AM

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How dangerous are the Prelates?

gilded mason Dec 10, 2018, 8:55 AM

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A lot.

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 8:55 AM

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Who?

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 8:56 AM

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Prophet Spartans

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 8:56 AM

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They can deflect hypersonic carbine rounds, are faster than bullet-timing elites, and are said to be a match for a Spartan-II

gilded mason Dec 10, 2018, 8:56 AM

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Who?
Basically sort of San'Shyuum equivalent of Spartans.

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 8:56 AM

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Dang all three of us said the same thing within 3 seconds of each other

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 8:57 AM

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Synchronicity Synchronicity Synchronicity

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Which brings up another thing i'm wondering..how come the Covenant never tried to recreate or at least create something similar to the Spartan,and yes i know about the Prelates

gilded mason Dec 10, 2018, 8:58 AM

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Probably wasn't ever really needed outside of the Prelate thing.

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 8:58 AM

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Religion and culture probably... the Elites didn’t like doctors and medicine much

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 8:59 AM

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The strat of the Covenant was to overwhelm and destroy

gilded mason Dec 10, 2018, 8:59 AM

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the Elites didn’t like doctors and medicine much
Some elites, at least.

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 8:59 AM

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They probably cared more about sending mass troops vs better troops

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Silent Shadow need more love. As cool as they were in Silent Storm, they were nothing more than some slight irritancy to 16 year-old Spartans

gilded mason Dec 10, 2018, 9:00 AM

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Yeah, that was irritating for me.

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 9:00 AM

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Yeah the ending onboard the supercarrier was a little anticlimactic

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:00 AM

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It would be cool to fight a cybernetically and genetically enhanced Sangheili or Jiralhanae

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 9:00 AM

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But we already knew all the Spartans had to survive 🤷🏿‍♂️

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:01 AM

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They should have just wounded the Spartans badly, forcing them to retreat IMO

gilded mason Dec 10, 2018, 9:01 AM

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I hope we eventually see more of Nizat 'Kvarosee, though.

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:01 AM

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Halo seems to be close to becoming 2015-ish MCU with killing off every villain they introduce

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It would've been awesome to fight those Prelates

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Like faster, more durable Promethean Soldiers

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How many Prelates were there at any given time

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 9:03 AM

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They’d be at least a full boss enemy

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Very few left, if any

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Was the one in Shadow of Intent not the last one?

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:03 AM

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They could have made more by 2560

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I don't think so

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Most of them died during the Battle of Installation 05

carmine sleet Dec 10, 2018, 9:05 AM

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The Prelate in Shadow of Intent was the last known one, whether he was actually the last is left to be seen

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:06 AM

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I remember something hinting that there could be more though

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 9:06 AM

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Halopedia:
‘Most Prelates were killed during the Battle of Installation 05, with the exception of Tem'Bhetek. Prelates were considered formidable foes, powerful enough to give even veteran Sangheili pause, not necessarily Spartans’

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:07 AM

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Vet Elites can challenge Spartans though

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 9:07 AM

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Yeah most means they’ll probably revisit the Prelates at some point in the future because the Covenant need cool Spartans too

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:08 AM

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That's what I remembered

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Anyway, Silent Shadow elites should have been a near-death scenario for even late-war John

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I was imagining the ones from Headhunters to make even the best of IIs forced to retreat

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 9:10 AM

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Spartan-IIIs always felt fragile in my mind

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:10 AM

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They are

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 9:10 AM

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Their photoreactive panels remind me of glass, and how easily broken that is gave me that idea

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:10 AM

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Compared to Spartan IIs and even Spartan IVs

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Speaking of Installation 05...i wonder..how was the Gravemind able to sustain itself without much biomass

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 9:11 AM

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Thanks Quisquoses, very epic.

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:11 AM

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Yes

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Muy bien

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 9:12 AM

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Yeah why is the Gravemind dumb and not able to break out of containment

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Why is the Gravemind dumb in general...

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Agh plot armor kills me

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:13 AM

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I mean..how was the Gravemind able to sustain itself on Installation 05 without much biomass

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 9:13 AM

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Must have been quite recent

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Because it would have broken out eventually

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:14 AM

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I wonder if that could indicate that they are primarily non-physical or something like that

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 9:14 AM

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Nahhh I think my theory has more weight

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Their mind is, sure, but their mortal form needs sustenance

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:15 AM

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If the domain was originally grasped from precursor technology, I think that could have some truth to it

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Better yet..where did the Flood on Installation 05 even get enough biomass to create a Gravemind

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Exactly. They form biomass out of nothing most of the time

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 9:16 AM

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They can use any organism for biomass, can’t they?

quiet dock Dec 10, 2018, 9:16 AM

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yeh

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:16 AM

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There isn't enough to go around in high charity for it to have been infected like that. The pure-form transformations are another indicator of them just mustering matter from nowhere

quiet dock Dec 10, 2018, 9:16 AM

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they had a LOT of infection forms

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and then the humans raided them like they did on IO4

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 9:16 AM

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Maybe some kind of fungus or insect hives

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:17 AM

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How do they form from a thrasher or sniper form to a tank form without consuming something?

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 9:17 AM

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How do you know they don’t consume something?

quiet dock Dec 10, 2018, 9:17 AM

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rearranging their super cells

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 9:17 AM

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Their bodies are unknowable

quiet dock Dec 10, 2018, 9:17 AM

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their super cells change function, which also probably change size and density

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:17 AM

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Because you're watching the transformation in front of your face

quiet dock Dec 10, 2018, 9:18 AM

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they're adapting, not infecting

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 9:18 AM

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Consuming something internally?

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Like fat?

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:18 AM

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Too much mass

quiet dock Dec 10, 2018, 9:18 AM

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they don't need to consume something to repurpose their supercells

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 9:18 AM

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It’s not massive, just voluminous

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:18 AM

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Unless it's like some super-fat

quiet dock Dec 10, 2018, 9:18 AM

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how dense is the keratin the spikey bois use for ammunition

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how hard would it be to transform that material to muscle on demand

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these are supercells lol

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:19 AM

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Voluminous? Why on earth would a thrasher form have a higher density than a Tank form???

quiet dock Dec 10, 2018, 9:19 AM

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because claws are dense

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 9:19 AM

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You’re assuming a lot about the Flood

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:19 AM

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And the tanker has a massive claw

quiet dock Dec 10, 2018, 9:19 AM

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says who its as dense?

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 9:19 AM

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Space magicks!

quiet dock Dec 10, 2018, 9:20 AM

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lol

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I wasn't gonna say it

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but fair

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 9:20 AM

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Maybe the Tank form takes damage so well because of its specific absorbent structure

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I have no idea, but in The Flood, the Chief mentions Sniper Rifles being completely ineffective against them

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:21 AM

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That's really the only answer. It would be silly as hell to have them say that those messages he was sending in Halo 3 were just "hacking into John's sensory firmware" or something like that

quiet dock Dec 10, 2018, 9:21 AM

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Again, flood supercells

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they adapt in ways no one understands

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 9:21 AM

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I think the same SR-ineffective mechanic could apply to how the Tank form is... formed

quiet dock Dec 10, 2018, 9:22 AM

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tanks don't have a bunch of flood infection forms in their chest

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they repurpose those supercells to become infection forms

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:22 AM

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Plus, remember the combat form in that short comic on board the SoF? They addressed that it was gathering mass from nowhere

kind willow Dec 10, 2018, 9:22 AM

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Aren’t they pure flood supercell in makeup?

quiet dock Dec 10, 2018, 9:22 AM

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yup

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Hey acolyte, you've been typing for a while lol

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 9:23 AM

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Essay incoming! All ships move to engage.

kind willow Dec 10, 2018, 9:23 AM

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So like, they really only form if there is a controlling intelligence, telling them how to form up. Otherwise it’s just the growths we see on the walls and what not

quiet dock Dec 10, 2018, 9:24 AM

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basically that

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I would assume that pure forms are really dense concentrations of supercells

kind willow Dec 10, 2018, 9:24 AM

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Anyway, density would be relative cause aren’t they calcium based?

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So like, the density is roughly the same give or take 20%

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 9:25 AM

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Yes... yes. Very good BiggusDickus

quiet dock Dec 10, 2018, 9:25 AM

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and the random growths are asexually reproducing, as are pure forms

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:25 AM

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It's their preferred fabrication source. Doesn't mean it's their only

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 9:25 AM

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Nice name lol, bet the mods are mads though

quiet dock Dec 10, 2018, 9:25 AM

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lol

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that's the scientific term

kind willow Dec 10, 2018, 9:25 AM

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It’s the only one we know of I’m certain web

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:25 AM

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Mods rarely read these, unless it's CIA

quiet dock Dec 10, 2018, 9:26 AM

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suddenly a mod appears

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:26 AM

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@kind willow can you please change your name

quiet dock Dec 10, 2018, 9:26 AM

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oof

kind willow Dec 10, 2018, 9:26 AM

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Alright

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:26 AM

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Thank you

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 9:26 AM

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Hahahah It wasnt me who dobbed you in!

quiet dock Dec 10, 2018, 9:26 AM

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whats your take on the conversation, XL?

kind willow Dec 10, 2018, 9:26 AM

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Wait, I’m sorry, am I not allowed to just change it via nickname?

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:26 AM

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That doesn’t completely hide it

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You’ll have to change your discord username

kind willow Dec 10, 2018, 9:27 AM

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Damn. Well, been a good discussion lads, I’m off. Find me in the Halo Nation discord

quiet dock Dec 10, 2018, 9:27 AM

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oof

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:27 AM

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What is the Gravity Hammer made of? I remember the blade being a tungsten alloy, but what about the Fist of Rukt?

tawny ermine Dec 10, 2018, 9:27 AM

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Roman soldiers giggling

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 9:27 AM

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If you ever want a lively Halo discussion, just ask @versed helm 👏🏿

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@kind willow Don’t make a girl a promise... you can’t keep.

quiet dock Dec 10, 2018, 9:28 AM

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he's gone unfortunately

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I do understand why it annoys people

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 9:29 AM

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The Fist of Rukt is made of the fist of Rukt 🤦🏿‍♂️ @versed helm

quiet dock Dec 10, 2018, 9:29 AM

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it does strike me as controlling that you'd have to conform your entire discord profile to conform to one server if you want to participate

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 9:29 AM

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What’s to stop it from being his detached forearm?

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:29 AM

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Rules are rules

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 9:29 AM

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(Except everything saying that it was a war hammer)

tawny ermine Dec 10, 2018, 9:29 AM

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It's not too much to ask for a bit of maturity

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:29 AM

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I’m just a green man

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IIRC,prior to the arrival of the Covenant and UNSC to Installation 04 or Alpha Halo,various space faring alien races stumbled upon Installation 04 and recorded their findings then left without breaking containment protocols,what if an alien race stumbled upon Installation 05 but somehow broke the containment protocols and ended up being consumed by the Flood

quiet dock Dec 10, 2018, 9:30 AM

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doesn't explain why they're human infection forms

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with human weapons

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 9:30 AM

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🤯

quiet dock Dec 10, 2018, 9:30 AM

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and yeah, I know, its not your rules XL

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 9:30 AM

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They got them afterwards!

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When you play as Arby, the humans have already advanced through the area.

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:30 AM

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Good soldiers follow orders

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5

quiet dock Dec 10, 2018, 9:30 AM

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I just sometimes wonder if Microsoft heads recognize how it appears to literally everyone

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 9:31 AM

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Infinity, I don’t like it.

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:31 AM

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Like I always say

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I'm betting that the human infection forms came from the crew of the In Amber Clad

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Can’t just not get a hash brown with your bacon egg and cheese bagel

quiet dock Dec 10, 2018, 9:32 AM

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what if I want green eggs and ham?

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no hashbrowns

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:32 AM

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Out

quiet dock Dec 10, 2018, 9:32 AM

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sorry, wrong person to ask

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 9:32 AM

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Yeah that’s a straightforward observation but I really liked your ‘meddlers’ theory

quiet dock Dec 10, 2018, 9:32 AM

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Sam I Am, can I have green eggs and ham?

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 9:32 AM

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Makes so much sense... needs to be canonised heh

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I wonder if those meddlers are ever going to return to the Giant Hula Hoop

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Or if they’ve gone extinct already

quiet dock Dec 10, 2018, 9:34 AM

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I thought it was God's own Anti SOB machine

tawny ermine Dec 10, 2018, 9:34 AM

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You mean God's own Anti-Son-of-a-bitch machine?

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 9:34 AM

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I mean if I see a Halo I’m not forgetting it in a hurry

quiet dock Dec 10, 2018, 9:34 AM

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is that specific use of the phrase not filtered?

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dang

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I wish I knew that

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 9:34 AM

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Dont think they would filter acronyms

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Oh wait

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Adler’s

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:34 AM

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Fun fact: the weight given for the Fist of Rukt would make it have a density around 500kg/m^3, of half that of water

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 9:35 AM

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As I always say... space magicks!

quiet dock Dec 10, 2018, 9:35 AM

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its worth noting

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its a gravity hammer

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it probably utilizes that to make it easier to carry

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:36 AM

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Doesn't manipulate gravity like that.

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 9:36 AM

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Are there any alloys that are lighter than water?

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:36 AM

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No

quiet dock Dec 10, 2018, 9:36 AM

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how do you know?

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:36 AM

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Remember the System of Miasmic Giants

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Why would you make a hammer light??

quiet dock Dec 10, 2018, 9:36 AM

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it could constantly emit a light anti grav field to make itself lighter

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 9:36 AM

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Ooh ooh was that the one in Broken Circle or sth @versed helm

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:37 AM

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Hammers have never done that before. Why would they not make use of the weight a hemmer brings?

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@tall moat Yep

quiet dock Dec 10, 2018, 9:37 AM

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because its mostly used as a gravity based weapon lol

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it could also deactivate when swung to retain impact

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:37 AM

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The hammer's field is sourced from electromagnetic energy, making an AOE pressure wave.

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It's not an Anti-gravity hammer for the love of god

quiet dock Dec 10, 2018, 9:38 AM

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and then reactivate when the swing followed through, allowing the user to pick it up

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mate

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I'm just here cause people are talking and I know some things

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:39 AM

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Having hammers that can float goes completely against the barbaric nature of the jiralhanae

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I mean hell, they even consider their half ton armour to be "lightweight"

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@tall moat I do have a thought on those "Unidentified assailants" that attacked Crecka's ship

quiet dock Dec 10, 2018, 9:40 AM

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fair enough

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 9:40 AM

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Big canonical coincidence, they are the meddlers too!

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But do expand on my very basic theory...

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:44 AM

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@tall moat What if it's possible that these "unidentified assailants" could've inhabited the System of Miasmic Giants and they thought that the Sangheili that were in the system were invaders and that they attacked Crecka's ship in self defense

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How advanced were the Sangheili around Crecka's time?

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 9:45 AM

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Uh that is significantly less mind-blowing than your last theory

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:46 AM

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True

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 9:46 AM

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I’d like it if they were a currently known species that the Sangheili had not met at the time

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Maybe spacefaring Jiralhanae if the timelines match up?

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Or are the Ussans far more ancient?

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:48 AM

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Or it could've been the Lekgolo,who were Tier 3 by the time that the Covenant encountered them in 784 BCE

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 9:49 AM

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Was about to say that, maybe Crecka interrupted their Forerunner buffet

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But according to my Google machine, miasmic means odorous, so that gives the Jiralhanae theory even more evidence lol

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And they ARE giants

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Though that could apply to whatever forms the Lekgolo colonies take too

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:52 AM

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Personally,i believe that the "unidentified assailants" could be a completely unknown race that we have yet to encounter,probably could've been the same race that crash landed on Installation 04 as shown in the CEA terminals

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 9:53 AM

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I need to see this ship, does it offer any clues?

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:54 AM

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Probably have to look it up

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 9:56 AM

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Okay, it looks like a sperm cell with two extra flagella that plunged headfirst into the surface of 04

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Reminds me of Sputnik... so maybe early Jiralhanae spacecraft?

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The Brutes weren’t on 04 so 343 GS might not have known about them either

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 10:00 AM

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The most enduring question regarding the unknown alien spacecraft that crash landed on Installation 04 is..what species built that ship...i doubt it belong to any of the Covenant races because it crash landed on Installation 04 in 40,000 BCE

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 10:00 AM

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Ok not the Brutes lmao

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Props to those guys though, making it all the way there millennia before anyone else

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 10:01 AM

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I doubt it's Forerunner because Spark would recognize it

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 10:01 AM

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Compartmentalised knowledge

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And given the scope of the Ecumene, it’s unlikely he would recognise every class

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 10:02 AM

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And i doubt it was built by the Precursors or Ancient Humans

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 10:03 AM

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Mm we haven’t seen many of those artifacts left at all

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In all likeliness it was just a hijacked Forerunner craft lol

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 10:04 AM

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What year did the Great Purification happen?

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 10:04 AM

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Firing of the Halo Array? 100,000 BCE

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Or thereabouts

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 10:06 AM

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97,445 BCE

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 10:07 AM

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I knew it was 97... !

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Curse me and my Logic Plagued mind

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 10:09 AM

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And the unknown alien vessel crash landed on Installation 04 about 57,445 years after that..which brings up another question...what race could've went from being indexed and later reseeded on their own homeworld to being space faring within that timeframe

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 10:10 AM

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Would be cool if the San Shyuum were Crecka’s assailants, mirroring the mainstream Sangheili encounter

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In response to your question... the Brutes, Jackals, Grunts are probably too dumb. Not Elites, Prophets, or humans. The Yonhet?

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 10:21 AM

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It would be neat if there were more alien races being added

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 10:21 AM

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Yeah the Yonhet are a bit lonely right now... we need a second or a third

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 10:27 AM

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50 different alien races

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 10:28 AM

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Individually unlocked by RNG campaign REQ packs

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 10:29 AM

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Yee

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 10:30 AM

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@~~343 Industries~~ Microsoft

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 10:35 AM

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How do you do the line thing

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All of the Halo media released within the last 7 years have mentioned the existence of other unknown races that inhabit or inhabited the Halo galaxy,most notably,the unknown alien spacecraft that crash landed on Installation 04 as shown in the CEA terminals

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We should just create non canon alien races and introduce them to 343i

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^

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Of coarse these races should not be copied from other games

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Yep

carmine sleet Dec 10, 2018, 10:41 AM

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Don't remind me of a personal project I've been putting off doing more on

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 10:42 AM

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Oh?

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 10:43 AM

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Double ~ either side of text gives you the dashthrough

honest jacinth Dec 10, 2018, 11:38 AM

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when the forerunners fired the Halo rings

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how did humanity not die out along with the forerunners themselves?

carmine sleet Dec 10, 2018, 11:38 AM

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They were indexed

honest jacinth Dec 10, 2018, 11:39 AM

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indexed?

carmine sleet Dec 10, 2018, 11:43 AM

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Every known race was indexed so they could be re-seeded after the Halos had fired

honest jacinth Dec 10, 2018, 11:44 AM

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ah I see

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were the Forerunners not indexed?

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wouldn't make sense for them to preserve all races but themselves

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 11:48 AM

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They were ashamed at their absolute failure to uphold the Mantle

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And exiled themselves

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There’s a really cool short story in Halo: Fractures about it

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 11:50 AM

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Why couldn't the forerunners just stay at the place where the indexed races were tho

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Or just move to a different galaxy

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They were able to do it

carmine sleet Dec 10, 2018, 11:51 AM

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Like Lucas said, they exiled themselves

bold pawn Dec 10, 2018, 11:51 AM

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Some forerunners did escape the galaxy to never return

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 11:52 AM

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At least until they were bored of it lol

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I dont think anyone could stay in deep space for eternity

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And the short story in Fractures, it has so much weight because it’s a matter of galactic importance

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I love pivotal Forerunner-Flood moments like that

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 11:55 AM

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Which story?

honest jacinth Dec 10, 2018, 12:11 PM

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so they were so embarrassed they decided to commit race-suicide?

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great

tall moat Dec 10, 2018, 12:17 PM

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https://www.halopedia.org/Untitled_story_(Halo:_Fractures)

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It’s basically an epilogue to Promises to Keep , a short story featured earlier on in the anthology

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I barely remember the very short epilogue but it was still very epic. 👏🏿

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If you want the most basic of summaries go to #485883236430512168

feral perch Dec 10, 2018, 3:34 PM

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No, it can be discussed here @tall moat

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Everything older than 1 month is considered free game

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Spoiler chat is just for the newest stuff

obsidian thistle Dec 10, 2018, 4:39 PM

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Correct

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 8:49 PM

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Remind me..how much biomass is needed to create a Gravemind

vague scroll Dec 10, 2018, 8:52 PM

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a dozen or so human bodies were enough to make a proto-gravemind

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probably less than that

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but the biomass for THE Gravemind is astronomically higher than that which means we still don't know where all the bodies came from regarding Installation 05

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 8:53 PM

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That's what i've been wondering since last night

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Where did the Flood on Installation 05 get enough biomass to create a Gravemind

vague scroll Dec 10, 2018, 8:55 PM

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I'm going to chalk it up to a mix of wildlife, biomass from non-sapient sources like the very plant life in the regional ecosystem, and I will give HiddenXpheria some positive credit that his theory regarding the "Meddlers" or whatever faction it is that seems to keep popping up in the Halo backdrop may be at play.

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If Forerunner containment protocols were properly maintained, they would have ensured there wasn't enough biomass in their isolated study chambers to transform

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 8:58 PM

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Wouldn't that also include 2401 PT being lazy

vague scroll Dec 10, 2018, 9:00 PM

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Doesn't seem likely but its a possibility. Containment breach is one thing, a Gravemind is another.

severe elbow Dec 10, 2018, 9:00 PM

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It wasn't something Bungie thought completely through.

vague scroll Dec 10, 2018, 9:01 PM

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I don't blame them but since we're in this place with Halo lore with the goal of filling all the holes, it is an unturned stone that probably needs addressing now

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:01 PM

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Speaking of Installation 05..who built those stone structures

vague scroll Dec 10, 2018, 9:01 PM

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343i has an answer but have remained dodgey about it

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something to reveal for another time I guess

severe elbow Dec 10, 2018, 9:02 PM

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I "blame" them for not thinking it through, which was a problem with a lot of elements of 2 and 3's background details.

vague scroll Dec 10, 2018, 9:02 PM

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Well that's Bungie for you

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Rule of Cool was always the first priority.

severe elbow Dec 10, 2018, 9:03 PM

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It is. Granted, it was mostly 3 where it was evident. 2 was mostly solid except for the Flood infection on Delta Halo.

vague scroll Dec 10, 2018, 9:04 PM

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I think it may be that Halo 2 they had so many concepts but what ended up happening was because the game was launched incompletely narratively, the few workable concepts were shifted to Halo 3 and they called it a day.

severe elbow Dec 10, 2018, 9:05 PM

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Halo 2's development was so horrible it's amazing we got such a great game out of it.

vague scroll Dec 10, 2018, 9:05 PM

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And I'm not sure when Halo fatigue began to set in over there but somewhere around 3's development cycle could probably be a decent guess.

severe elbow Dec 10, 2018, 9:05 PM

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Probably one of the most miraculous things to happen in gaming.

vague scroll Dec 10, 2018, 9:05 PM

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Oh I've heard the stories from the Halo 2 modding community

severe elbow Dec 10, 2018, 9:06 PM

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If you read the VICE article, it highlights how bad it was.

vague scroll Dec 10, 2018, 9:06 PM

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I'd probably have to go back and read them some time, Halo game developments have always been rather interesting to watch and read about

severe elbow Dec 10, 2018, 9:07 PM

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Yeah.

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I think they said 3's development was really smooth.

vague scroll Dec 10, 2018, 9:08 PM

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that's what I got from watching the viddocs

severe elbow Dec 10, 2018, 9:08 PM

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And they said ODST's was their favorite, development-wise.

vague scroll Dec 10, 2018, 9:09 PM

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tbf to ODST, it had a substantially smaller team working on it

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:11 PM

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The RvB ODST videos were hilarious though

vague scroll Dec 10, 2018, 9:11 PM

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So was the Gamestop Sgt. Johnson Firefight one

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:12 PM

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That one was my favorite

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If you were in the RvB..who would you hang out with more,the Reds or Blues

severe elbow Dec 10, 2018, 9:16 PM

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This is getting less pertinent to #lore-and-universe.

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:16 PM

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True

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I would love to know what life is like for the average citizen of Earth since it's under Created control

vague scroll Dec 10, 2018, 9:20 PM

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It would probably say a lot about Cortana's endgame though so I'm not exactly sure I'm ready to want to know yet

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:23 PM

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I can imagine it's like Orwell's 1984

vague scroll Dec 10, 2018, 9:24 PM

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I think that's thinking too small. More worried about the steps beyond 1984... forced "evolution" comes to mind.

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The UEG already was borderline 1984 anyway.

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:25 PM

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Speaking of the UEG..whatever became of its president?

vague scroll Dec 10, 2018, 9:26 PM

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Ask the UNSC Plateau

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:27 PM

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So she's probably dead or became a puppet under Cortana's rule

vague scroll Dec 10, 2018, 9:27 PM

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puppet? not really.

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They took out Earth's electric grid, not much of a point to have puppets.

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:28 PM

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Speaking of Earth's electrical grid..is the emp from a Guardian Custode permanent or temporary?

vague scroll Dec 10, 2018, 9:28 PM

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permanent with an asterisk

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according to Legacy of Onyx/Bad Blood, the pulse from the Guardians have a staying capability which means, even if you reset the equipment, the electricity still won't take off

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still need a Huragok to bypass the pulse as it seems

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but certain electronics seem to be unaffected while others are not like MJOLNIR and rifle ammo counters for some reason...

versed helm Dec 10, 2018, 9:31 PM

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So basically the pulse can send you back to the Stone Age?

vague scroll Dec 10, 2018, 9:32 PM

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pre-Industrial