#lore-and-universe | Halo | Page 148

severe elbow Nov 27, 2018, 9:30 PM

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Assumedly the Eternity is already under Cortana's thumb.

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Pretty much anything that belongs to the UNSC that wasn't the Ark.

night tulip Nov 27, 2018, 9:30 PM

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so yeah max 10 frigs and valiant for ur plan

severe elbow Nov 27, 2018, 9:30 PM

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@night tulip Please don't try to bypass the profanity filter.

night tulip Nov 27, 2018, 9:31 PM

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oh thought the little star things were allowed

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another mod was fine with it but alright i wont do it from now on

severe elbow Nov 27, 2018, 9:31 PM

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I'll double-check.

remote wharf Nov 27, 2018, 9:32 PM

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stars shouldn't be allowed, user still ends up reading profanity

night tulip Nov 27, 2018, 9:32 PM

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alright good to know

severe elbow Nov 27, 2018, 9:33 PM

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Yeah, it isn't allowed. The other mod told you incorrectly. Sorry for the muddled communication.

night tulip Nov 27, 2018, 9:33 PM

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its ok ill not do that from now

keen ravine Nov 27, 2018, 9:38 PM

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Well, Three of the Escorts get EMPed

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and then two Dreadnoughts with 5 cruisers purse until it's down to Valiant, a Cruiser, three destroyers and a single frigate.

versed helm Nov 27, 2018, 9:40 PM

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@night tulip what mod told you that?

keen ravine Nov 27, 2018, 9:44 PM

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And for clarity, four cruisers combined was enough to destroy a Halo Array.

keen ravine Nov 27, 2018, 9:59 PM

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And I mean the Omega

unique rune Nov 27, 2018, 10:22 PM

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four cruisers
destroy a Halo Array
Omega

subtle depot Nov 27, 2018, 10:45 PM

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Is there a possible guardian stored on reach or was it just the crashed forerunner ship?

severe elbow Nov 27, 2018, 10:46 PM

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There's no evidence there was one on Reach.

keen ravine Nov 27, 2018, 10:47 PM

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@unique rune Talking Bout the Forerunner Cruisers, Omega/Greater Ark Arrays are destroyable by them combining power.

modest marsh Nov 27, 2018, 11:44 PM

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Guardian pulses aren’t solar system scale, they barely reach across a planet’s horizon

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It takes time for them to completely disable a planet

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One of its greatest strengths is its ability to call in massive troop support and potentially warships as well

radiant sphinx Nov 27, 2018, 11:47 PM

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You just hold X to board and melee the Guardian

modest marsh Nov 27, 2018, 11:49 PM

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RT to fire machine gun

limpid kernel Nov 27, 2018, 11:55 PM

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glooby knows whats up

feral perch Nov 28, 2018, 12:57 AM

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but if the AI is an Ultra, it takes longer to kill the Guardian

pearl raven Nov 28, 2018, 2:25 AM

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mmm

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@radiant sphinx

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you got the skillz down

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he knows da meta

keen ravine Nov 28, 2018, 2:29 AM

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So Valiant's Escorts are pretty much [Exploitive Deleted] and [Expletive Deleted] so a Guardian can take down Several Escorts but not all. so then it's just the Guardian spamming Forerunner Dreads and Cruisers?

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I just pray (For the safety of the escort crew) It doesn't spawn any of these city-levelers

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https://www.halopedia.org/images/thumb/5/50/Origins-Unnamed-Sentinel.png/800px-Origins-Unnamed-Sentinel.png

keen ravine Nov 28, 2018, 2:54 AM

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Cruiser was a class of Forerunner warship. The cruisers were sufficiently powerful that four ships combining firepower were able to overwhelm the defenses of a Halo installation.

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God, the Forerunners REAAAAAAAAALLLY love overwhelming force.

last anchor Nov 28, 2018, 5:53 AM

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Well...yeah.

tall moat Nov 28, 2018, 11:22 AM

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Started Silent Storm, and right off the bat, the name Kurt-051 appears 😢

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This takes me back... hope it gets good

knotty kernel Nov 28, 2018, 12:05 PM

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What's the most weapons a spartan can hold in lore?

tall moat Nov 28, 2018, 12:06 PM

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As much as their MJOLNIR allows

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Idk, two thigh mounts, infinite grenades up the bum, a magclamp on the back, and dual wielded weapons maybe?

knotty kernel Nov 28, 2018, 12:18 PM

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Thinking back Daisy held a magnum, assault rifle and a shotgun during Halo legends so at least three

tall moat Nov 28, 2018, 12:23 PM

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In her hands?

knotty kernel Nov 28, 2018, 12:23 PM

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No

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She held either assault rifle or shotgun with one being in the back magnetitic holder while the sidearm was on her thighs

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Logically Spartans should hold 4 guns with two side arms being on both thighs, but I'm not sure if it has happened before

tall moat Nov 28, 2018, 12:27 PM

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If they dual wield they should theoretically be able to hold 5 weapons max

knotty kernel Nov 28, 2018, 12:28 PM

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I guess but I don't see the point in 4 sidearms

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Unless you covenant or promethean side arms in the mix

tall moat Nov 28, 2018, 12:29 PM

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They dont have to be, sidearms are for game balance

knotty kernel Nov 28, 2018, 12:29 PM

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You practically have the noob combo with a plasma weapon and a magnum

obsidian thistle Nov 28, 2018, 12:38 PM

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John has held quite a bit when he saved Keyes from the truth and reconciliation. Like holding Rocket Ammo he didnt even use lol.

tall moat Nov 28, 2018, 12:46 PM

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And pulling nades out of nowhere on multiple occasions lol

upper star Nov 28, 2018, 1:27 PM

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Some of you guys seriously dont know how heavy ammo can be haha

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Power trips aside, the weight of spare magazines, not including rocket tubes, UGL and railgun rounds, and grenades makes you more cumbersome and less tactical. Also space becomes a premium, you don't want it strapped everywhere because that means when the shooting starts, one round can turn you into the human firework.

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I can see three weapons at a push, in a given configuration but more than that and you are just struggling. Also when are you going to use every single weapon?

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If you are out take the enemies weapon

fair hazel Nov 28, 2018, 1:34 PM

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Use every single weapon at the same time?

upper star Nov 28, 2018, 1:36 PM

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@fair hazel haha ded

tall moat Nov 28, 2018, 1:42 PM

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Hey it was just theoretical 🤷🏿‍♂️

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Although the original question did say ‘in lore’

quiet dock Nov 28, 2018, 1:43 PM

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Considering the armor weighs half A ton as is and they can jog at speeds most humans can’t even sprint at

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I don’t think an extra 100 pounds slows them down much

fair hazel Nov 28, 2018, 1:50 PM

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I don’t think so either.

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Also some ammo should be easier to carry than others.

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LightRifle ammo for instance should be easy to carry.

tall moat Nov 28, 2018, 1:56 PM

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I think the decreased agility and increased vulnerability would matter more, with ammo pouches and grenades slung all over the armor...

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In lore, spartans probably look way different from their in-game versions

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Which dont even show a hint of that except Reach armor

fair hazel Nov 28, 2018, 1:57 PM

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Or ammo inside the Armour

carmine sleet Nov 28, 2018, 1:58 PM

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Like what we see in The Package when Chief reloads his SMGs

fair hazel Nov 28, 2018, 1:58 PM

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Yep.

tall moat Nov 28, 2018, 2:02 PM

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Yeah that would keep in tradition with actual futuristic systems rather than the primitive method of just strapping everything on lol

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Ahhh Silent Storm is just a homecoming

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Sgt Johnson, the Everest, Preston Cole, Naomi, Daisy, Kurt, Joshua 😍

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So far at least plz dont spoil

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It’s also pre depressing knowing half of them will die

versed helm Nov 28, 2018, 2:39 PM

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Silent storm meh

obsidian thistle Nov 28, 2018, 3:25 PM

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Soldier is an armor like made to carry a lot.

pale shard Nov 28, 2018, 3:42 PM

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Thel Vadam’s fleet was glorious

subtle depot Nov 28, 2018, 3:51 PM

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Press F to give respect for the fleet of particular justice

versed helm Nov 28, 2018, 3:54 PM

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F

versed helm Nov 28, 2018, 4:15 PM

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I just had a thought...what would a Flood infected zerg look like?

knotty kernel Nov 28, 2018, 4:19 PM

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Yeah, I'm enjoying Silent Storm too but it's sad that a lot of the characters are dead

limpid kernel Nov 28, 2018, 4:52 PM

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Is silent storm new?

severe elbow Nov 28, 2018, 4:55 PM

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It came out in September.

obsidian thistle Nov 28, 2018, 4:55 PM

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^

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Beat me to it

limpid kernel Nov 28, 2018, 4:56 PM

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Is it a book?

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The only book I have for Halo is contact harvest, and I'm asking for the flood for Christmas

severe elbow Nov 28, 2018, 4:57 PM

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Yeah, it's a book.

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Actually connects to Contact Harvest a little bit.

versed helm Nov 28, 2018, 4:59 PM

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I read Contact Harvest from my high school's library

limpid kernel Nov 28, 2018, 5:00 PM

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School with Halo? Can I go there

versed helm Nov 28, 2018, 5:01 PM

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IIRC..i think i also saw Ghosts Of Onyx there too

last anchor Nov 28, 2018, 5:46 PM

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They came out in the early 2000s, so it wouldnt surprise me if they were in at least one school library.
My high school had em. The librarians dont read every single book that passes through

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Also this is late but I can honestly see a Spartan weilding four weapons; one in their hand, one on their back, one on each thigh plate

modest marsh Nov 28, 2018, 5:54 PM

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They can always use a hardened backpack like Jorge’s kit

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The issue is mostly volume/surface area, not weight

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qmZWdwHNc8Y

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Like this should be well within the carry weight of a Spartan without dramatically hindering their mobility from sheer mass alone

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However it would restrict their range of motion substantially

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Not to mention unlimbering a weapon while having all that junk strapped to you would be difficult to say the least

deep prairie Nov 28, 2018, 5:58 PM

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Hey guus I am new

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Joined like 10 min ago

modest marsh Nov 28, 2018, 6:00 PM

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Hello

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Can I introduce you to our lord and savior

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Master Chief himself

deep prairie Nov 28, 2018, 6:01 PM

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Lol

limpid kernel Nov 28, 2018, 6:27 PM

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@modest marsh yes s

keen ravine Nov 28, 2018, 11:00 PM

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There is about 5 contact harvest books at my school.

pearl raven Nov 28, 2018, 11:05 PM

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@keen ravine you lucky boio

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i cant even find em at the pubic library

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Ive only been able to read fall of reach and the flood

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and you can find em at school

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bullcrap

keen ravine Nov 28, 2018, 11:30 PM

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Washington, Home of Microsoft and 343I. we get all the good halo stuff first.

pearl raven Nov 28, 2018, 11:47 PM

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ig ur rite

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im stuck over here in SC

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out to go to Alaska tho

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itll be even worse there

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i didnt get any good stuff when i lived in Washington tho

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face of disappointment

knotty kernel Nov 29, 2018, 1:35 AM

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I heard Legacy of Onyx is bad

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Is it worth reading or should I just wait for Renegade

fair hazel Nov 29, 2018, 2:07 AM

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legacy of onyx is one of my two fav

subtle depot Nov 29, 2018, 2:28 AM

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Any of you fine folks have any idea how thick the actual ring of a halo is? Like if you dig into the ground how far would you go?

last anchor Nov 29, 2018, 3:00 AM

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Oh hey another Washingtonite

keen ravine Nov 29, 2018, 3:59 AM

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@subtle depot Seeing how it's a 10KM long ring. and from some estimates that it can hold a medium-layer ocean

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atleast 2.5KM

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Now, What's the size of a Battlegroup? (Cruisers, Destroyers, Frigates)

subtle depot Nov 29, 2018, 4:00 AM

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Okay thank you

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UNSC?

keen ravine Nov 29, 2018, 4:01 AM

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yep

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cause I need one that can Fit a Valiant

subtle depot Nov 29, 2018, 4:02 AM

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Well it all depends on the type. A battle group in the inner colonies will have more ships and be better equipped than an outer colony one

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You have anything from battlegroup 4 being made of three ships to battlegroup Dakota (the infinity as the lead) containing 54 vessels. You also technically have battlegroup India but I classify that more as a fleet as it is over 200 vessels

keen ravine Nov 29, 2018, 4:07 AM

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I need a small-medium one

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like 15 destroyers at min

subtle depot Nov 29, 2018, 4:08 AM

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Okay

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Most of the ones I see are either very small or very large you could use sixth battlegroup as it is of unknown size

keen ravine Nov 29, 2018, 4:17 AM

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Got it.

subtle depot Nov 29, 2018, 4:18 AM

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All that is known about them is at one point they outmaneuvered and escaped a covenant fleet over the rings of mariposa

keen ravine Nov 29, 2018, 4:19 AM

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Ah, so I can use the remnants of them for Valiant's fleet, then loose 65% of the remnants from Guardian and run

subtle depot Nov 29, 2018, 4:19 AM

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Yes you could

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They are a very blank slate to use

keen ravine Nov 29, 2018, 4:20 AM

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So wait, The Guardians can spawn other forerunner constructs right?

subtle depot Nov 29, 2018, 4:25 AM

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They cannot create them but they carry a complement of soldiers and crawlers. Not sure on knights

keen ravine Nov 29, 2018, 4:25 AM

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Oh okay

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cause if they spawned some cruisers (The same ones that can destroy a halo array when combined) the disabled and running ones are pretty much [Profanity Deleted]

subtle depot Nov 29, 2018, 4:28 AM

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Yeah cruisers cannot be created by a guardian

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Those would be made at a shield world or maybe even used to be made at the lesser and greater arks as forerunner cruisers are quite large

keen ravine Nov 29, 2018, 4:30 AM

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Okay, good.

severe elbow Nov 29, 2018, 4:32 AM

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They don't make them. They're wither stored on board or Portaled from Genesis, and maybe other sites

keen ravine Nov 29, 2018, 4:34 AM

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Okay, so a couple frigates get rammed into bits. and a Autumn-class gets turned into mush from a shot

tall moat Nov 29, 2018, 5:39 AM

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And both the Pelican from Legacy of Onyx and the Condor from Bad Blood escape 😄

keen ravine Nov 29, 2018, 6:27 AM

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So How about this for the Valiant Fleet?
UNSC Valiant (Flagship)
1x Marathon-class
4x Autumn-class
12x Halberd-class
22x Strident-class
8x Anlaces-class
UNSC Aladdin

keen ravine Nov 29, 2018, 6:44 AM

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Also, what is a star road?

tall moat Nov 29, 2018, 6:45 AM

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A neural physics construct built by the Precursors

keen ravine Nov 29, 2018, 6:47 AM

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Ah. I see.

upper star Nov 29, 2018, 12:56 PM

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Why do you have a Marathon if you have Autumns? Also is it a post war fleet?

subtle depot Nov 29, 2018, 3:29 PM

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He had a guardian attacking it so yes I assume it was post covenant war

upper star Nov 29, 2018, 5:10 PM

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Ok then

versed helm Nov 29, 2018, 7:30 PM

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Although i do love the look of the Marathon class Heavy Cruiser

keen ravine Nov 29, 2018, 8:31 PM

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^ Reason why I added it

keen ravine Nov 30, 2018, 12:20 AM

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How about:
UNSC Valiant
1x Marathon (Cause the Look is cool)
3x Vindications
5x Autumns
18x Halberds
24x Stridents
12x Anlaces.
UNSC Aladdin (Prowler)

obsidian thistle Nov 30, 2018, 12:55 AM

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What is this even for btw?

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Forgive me for not understading tbh. :I

keen ravine Nov 30, 2018, 1:02 AM

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Fanfic.

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Just trying to make Valiant's fleet.

last anchor Nov 30, 2018, 1:13 AM

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The heck is a Vindication

versed helm Nov 30, 2018, 1:14 AM

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https://www.halopedia.org/Vindication-class_light_battleship

keen ravine Nov 30, 2018, 1:15 AM

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The flattened-burrito-ship

last anchor Nov 30, 2018, 1:16 AM

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Oh, its got a name then. huh

charred flower Nov 30, 2018, 5:19 AM

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Does any one of the Spartans have a love for animals?

modest marsh Nov 30, 2018, 5:27 AM

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My view on what Spartans take fascination, attachment, and amusement from is generally utilitarian towards their job

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They only really derive a sense of catharsis from a mission well done, from following and executing on plans accordingly, and doing it efficiently

charred flower Nov 30, 2018, 5:29 AM

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hmmm

modest marsh Nov 30, 2018, 5:29 AM

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That’s at least what I took away from Nylund’s emphasis on the “aggressive drive to win” aspect of the Spartan trainees’ behavior

charred flower Nov 30, 2018, 5:29 AM

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I ask because I saw some animals at an event at my university tonight, so it made me wonder what animals they might like

modest marsh Nov 30, 2018, 5:29 AM

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That and Halsey’s training essentially developing a Pavlovian response

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I’m sure Spartans have learned to respect the dynamics of animals

charred flower Nov 30, 2018, 5:30 AM

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I saw a big bunny, so it reminds me of Kelly

tall moat Nov 30, 2018, 5:30 AM

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Did you see any Sharquoi?

modest marsh Nov 30, 2018, 5:30 AM

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But they’re too focused on self improvement and mission readiness to have recreational hobbies

charred flower Nov 30, 2018, 5:30 AM

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nope

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we had a hedgehog, a snake, and a lizzard too

modest marsh Nov 30, 2018, 5:31 AM

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Much less something that isn’t particularly viable for a stationed warfighter like a Spartan

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They can’t really keep pets

tall moat Nov 30, 2018, 5:31 AM

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Dangit Hekabe

charred flower Nov 30, 2018, 5:31 AM

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hekabe had anger issues

last anchor Nov 30, 2018, 5:33 AM

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Most Brutes do

charred flower Nov 30, 2018, 5:34 AM

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Hekabe, you're not yourself when you're angry. Here...eat a Snickers bar.

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We should have... ehh... Jesse Stipek give a brute a Snickers bar

tall moat Nov 30, 2018, 5:37 AM

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Oh man I was hoping for some actual Infinite news when I saw the cover image of the latest community update 😠

charred flower Nov 30, 2018, 5:38 AM

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its up?

last anchor Nov 30, 2018, 5:40 AM

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Lets find out

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Yep looks like it

charred flower Nov 30, 2018, 5:41 AM

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nice

last anchor Nov 30, 2018, 5:41 AM

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~~Uny's somehow played 30,000 games. Jesus christ dude, do something else~~

tall moat Nov 30, 2018, 5:41 AM

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Its been up for 5 hours

last anchor Nov 30, 2018, 5:42 AM

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Ahg okay.

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Wait wait hold up

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It says Seattle has two locations.

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...wheres the other one, in Bellevue?

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Theres the U Villiage one and thats it.

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~~Cross your fingers that thing works, dude, the last time I went to a 2v2, two people showed up, me included~~

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Anyway

keen ravine Nov 30, 2018, 6:30 AM

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The Completed fleet from earlier is in #471727324895641651

versed helm Nov 30, 2018, 8:02 AM

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I wonder what the Forerunners thought of Cetaceans

knotty kernel Nov 30, 2018, 10:51 AM

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I just hope red team doesn't get killed off since they're the biologically youngest IIs

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Also is team Omega canon?

carmine sleet Nov 30, 2018, 10:56 AM

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Omega is canon but the their appearance in Halo Wars 2 isn't

obsidian thistle Nov 30, 2018, 12:07 PM

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Their Phoenix log however is canon.

severe bone Nov 30, 2018, 12:22 PM

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So the entirety of Omega is onboard the Spirit of Fire?

carmine sleet Nov 30, 2018, 12:23 PM

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No

torn comet Nov 30, 2018, 12:42 PM

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hi guys. may i ask some question about Precursor's star road?

Star road can block any interstellar travel like slipspace, but how can it weaponize to destroy the great ark?

tall moat Nov 30, 2018, 12:47 PM

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Physical destruction

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Formations like rope

obsidian thistle Nov 30, 2018, 12:57 PM

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https://www.halopedia.org/images/4/46/HM-StarRoads.png

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Something like that

torn comet Nov 30, 2018, 1:06 PM

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thanks. any Precursor technic i miss expert star road and domain ?

tall moat Nov 30, 2018, 1:08 PM

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Those are the main ones I’d think, though I’m not familiar with them

obsidian thistle Nov 30, 2018, 1:09 PM

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Halopedia may be of some use? I do however need to go though the sources a lil though https://www.halopedia.org/Star_road

Star road

Star roads, also known as unbending filaments, were neural physics-based megastructures created by the Precursors.

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https://www.halopedia.org/Domain

Domain

The Domain is an esoteric quantum information repository that was once used by the Forerunners to contain vast amounts of knowledge, most notably their cultural and ancestral records.

torn comet Nov 30, 2018, 1:11 PM

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thx. look into it all precursor relative.

knotty kernel Nov 30, 2018, 2:58 PM

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Does anyone own the Halo Spartan Field Guide?

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In the book it's stated spartans can lift warthogs but I'm confused which armor model it's referring to.

feral perch Nov 30, 2018, 3:01 PM

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Wouldn't that be all of them?

knotty kernel Nov 30, 2018, 3:03 PM

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If it's every model then wouldn't that give them the lifting capacity of 8.75 tons in Mark VI gen 1

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Since the Mark IV-V doubles strength where as the Mark VI increases it by 5 fold

feral perch Nov 30, 2018, 5:14 PM

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But all of them can lift Warthogs

knotty kernel Nov 30, 2018, 5:17 PM

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Yeah, but that would make Spartans in Mjolnir Mark VI strong enough to lift nearly 9 tons

carmine sleet Nov 30, 2018, 5:24 PM

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So

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They're meant to be super soldiers in space

subtle depot Nov 30, 2018, 5:46 PM

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I don’t think they can all technically “lift” a warthog. Flipping something requires less strength than straight up deadlifting it

last anchor Nov 30, 2018, 6:18 PM

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They probably CAN dead-lift a Hog if need be.

knotty kernel Nov 30, 2018, 6:20 PM

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The Spartan Field Guide states that can lift warthogs not flip

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It also implies their upper limits have never been recorded making warthog lifting nowhere near their limits

last anchor Nov 30, 2018, 6:21 PM

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I mean someone once joked that John flipping a Scorpion in CE was canon...

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So who knows. I think they do have a limit to what they can lift.

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But a Warthog is not that for sure. After all, they're only three tons

knotty kernel Nov 30, 2018, 6:22 PM

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@versed helm Thoughts?

limpid kernel Nov 30, 2018, 6:24 PM

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They definitely cannot lift a hunter gun

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Until Halo 5

versed helm Nov 30, 2018, 6:41 PM

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I think that was more of a design realization

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Like 343 went hmm what if we rip this thing off and let players use it like a turret

last anchor Nov 30, 2018, 6:42 PM

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Ye. Notice how you cant rip the hunter arms off the corpses of actual Hunters in Warzone for example

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As cool as that would be

subtle depot Nov 30, 2018, 6:52 PM

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That would be awesome

carmine sleet Nov 30, 2018, 6:53 PM

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I'd love to see that implemented in future Halo titles

versed helm Nov 30, 2018, 9:18 PM

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@knotty kernel Sounds fine. We've had Jerome upper-cut ~2000+lb brutes across a room in HW2, and John reactivating that Hyperion missile battery in Halo 4 - all which are well beyond lifting warthogs, and closer to rolling a Scorpion-level.

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Also remember John absolutely shattering the entire frame of a BR85 across Locke in their first encounter. The stresses involved to dismantle a rifle in that way implies an insane level of physical strength. If he struggled to roll a 3 ton APC, the most he could do is warp the barrel with some strain, and not anything close to what he did.

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I'm betting that it's done for gameplay purposes

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What's that relating to? Carrying an assault cannon? Scorpion rolling?

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Either one i guess

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Honestly, I disagree. The "Exaggerated mythology" trope in this case would be unwise, given 343's record of canonising many things that happen in-game (such as motion tracker range, hijacking wraiths etc)

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I think the idea of the lore going against what you can do in-game would break immersion for newcomers, from my perspective. Grim has also told me how they don't rule out tank-rolling.

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I guess that makes sense

limpid kernel Nov 30, 2018, 9:36 PM

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So hijacking wraiths was not canon before?..

versed helm Nov 30, 2018, 9:37 PM

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People just thought it wasn't

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Imagine how much that would suck if there's a novel where John can't even pick up a hunter's assault cannon and use it hahaha

limpid kernel Nov 30, 2018, 9:39 PM

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Why would people think that about the wraiths that's weird :/

unique rune Nov 30, 2018, 9:39 PM

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People aren't smart.

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~~Hence the constant "Is Noble Six still alive?" or "Noble Six survived Reach" despite Bungie and 343 literally saying that he didn't.~~

versed helm Nov 30, 2018, 9:41 PM

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I don't really know where it started, honestly.

dusty pilot Nov 30, 2018, 9:41 PM

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he is in a cave tho...

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lol

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that theory started like

unique rune Nov 30, 2018, 9:42 PM

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thinkingchief

dusty pilot Nov 30, 2018, 9:42 PM

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early october i think?

versed helm Nov 30, 2018, 9:42 PM

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Holy crap, the Hunter assault cannon is 2 meters long??

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That thing has to weigh at least a ton

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@dusty pilot people have been talking about it earlier than that lol

queen citrus Nov 30, 2018, 10:12 PM

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Holy crap... that thing is freaking huge

feral perch Nov 30, 2018, 10:16 PM

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Does anyone know why the hardcover collection of Collateral Damage was pushed back from mid-December to late January?

severe elbow Nov 30, 2018, 10:19 PM

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Where are you seeing that?

feral perch Nov 30, 2018, 10:22 PM

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Amazon and B&N websites

severe elbow Nov 30, 2018, 10:22 PM

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Probably delays in printing, distribution, or the like.

feral perch Nov 30, 2018, 10:22 PM

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hm

obsidian thistle Nov 30, 2018, 10:24 PM

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Or it could be a region thing. Where publishers have weird issues.

wispy bough Nov 30, 2018, 10:33 PM

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Never forget Bad Blood being delayed like a day before release in the UK

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Delayed by months as well

obsidian thistle Nov 30, 2018, 10:34 PM

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That hurt

feral perch Nov 30, 2018, 10:35 PM

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Ouch

wispy bough Nov 30, 2018, 10:36 PM

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It happened with a different book as well I think - not sure which.

obsidian thistle Nov 30, 2018, 10:37 PM

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Mythos was bad for that sadly

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So was Warfleet

wispy bough Nov 30, 2018, 10:38 PM

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Mythos sounds right

knotty kernel Dec 1, 2018, 7:48 AM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/508945302603038720/518331679085953024/dY3uW6A.png

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Base off the fact it's stated recorded feats such as bend steel and break concrete gives me the interpretation this is referring to Mark IV-V. So Spartans in Mark VI and above should be strong enough to lift nearly 9 tons

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@versed helm Thoughts again?

versed helm Dec 1, 2018, 7:54 AM

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"Performing and improving" sounds nothing like a struggle, so 9 tons is certainly possible - even when disregarding the 5x, 2x multiplying factors

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@knotty kernel wait a minute...

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Hey man!

knotty kernel Dec 1, 2018, 8:17 AM

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I mean Spartans in Gen 2 have been shown to rip a Knight's arm off, the same arm that have been used to throw warthogs around 13 meters(I did a bit of pixel measurements)

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Yeah we've meant on spacebattles

versed helm Dec 1, 2018, 8:18 AM

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I guess you've found out what I do off-base.

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The exact same guy

violet vine Dec 1, 2018, 5:39 PM

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Unggoy reproduction speed?
And lekgolo reproduction
?

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How fast do they multiply?

last anchor Dec 1, 2018, 5:41 PM

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We dont know, other than "fast" for Unggoy and no indication for Lekgolo. Considering theyre worms and most likely reprouduce by hermapheraditic reproduction like earthworms do, probably fairly quickly too

violet vine Dec 1, 2018, 5:42 PM

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That's not entirely true.

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(Halo: Legacy of Onyx):
«“You’re only saying that because she’s my mother, but she doesn’t favor me more than any of the other five in my clutch.” Other five? Again, Molly had a hard time comprehending. “Your mother’s the teacher? And there are six of you?” “In my clutch. And another four in the younger clutch. Plus another dozen from my other mother’s clutch, but they’re all grown and gone now. They didn’t come with us.”» pg. 108
«“How old are you?” Molly asked, again not quite sure where the question came from. It seemed entirely logical despite the completely illogical nature of the conversation’s participants. What kind of small talk is one supposed to have with an alien? “I just turned five!” Gudam said brightly. “As humans count years at least. We had a big party for me and all my clutchmates.” Gudam again started laughing loudly, attracting the attention of other students. She would have probably continued if another fierce coughing fit hadn’t stopped her again. “Just five?” Molly could hardly believe it. Gudam seemed to be about the same size as the other Unggoy Molly had seen in the dining hall. “Unggoy grow to maturity rather quickly,” Kareem said. “I think Teacher Aphrid is actually only ten years old.” “That’s right!” Gudam said. “But she doesn’t look a day over eight!”» pg. 109

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we know about the creation of the army grunts on the shard.

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Rebdut*

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Not shrad*

last anchor Dec 1, 2018, 5:46 PM

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True

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No solid numbers though, this is just congecture based on example. We dont have a SPECIFIC timeline for it

feral perch Dec 1, 2018, 5:52 PM

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The map Cold Storage is canon as a Wargames map now, right?

last anchor Dec 1, 2018, 5:57 PM

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It was before.

feral perch Dec 1, 2018, 6:02 PM

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Hmm

last anchor Dec 1, 2018, 6:02 PM

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I mean Bungie never actively stated that any map was outright canon, just said it was "based on" stuff, or something like that. 343, when they canonized the multiplayer as War Games, made it an actual official map with a number and everything

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So yes, its canonically in the War Games rotation

feral perch Dec 1, 2018, 6:24 PM

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So that means that the UNSC has knowledge of that facility, either through Elite reconnaissance from the Covenant or Swords of Sanghelios fleet, or possibly through Spartan-IV teams?

last anchor Dec 1, 2018, 6:25 PM

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Yes. Possibly topographical scans from the In Amber Clad as well.

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I know a couple other maps were recreated from Clad's scans

feral perch Dec 1, 2018, 6:26 PM

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Hm

severe elbow Dec 1, 2018, 8:24 PM

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The Coral Sea also scanned stuff on Delta Halo

feral perch Dec 1, 2018, 9:53 PM

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But how deep inside 05 is Cold Storage? Could topographical scans detect it?

obsidian thistle Dec 1, 2018, 9:57 PM

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We have no idea where Cold Storage is on Delta Halo

feral perch Dec 1, 2018, 10:17 PM

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I know. But it's probably buried deep

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Like on Alpha Halo

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With it's containment facilities

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*its

limpid kernel Dec 1, 2018, 10:21 PM

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Was noble six using a Mac cannon at the end of the game?

last anchor Dec 1, 2018, 10:22 PM

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Not really. That was a scalled down "mass driver".

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MACs are usually attached to UNSC ships.

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Its schemantics and naming only though, its basically the same thing. Giant magnetic acceleration weapon

limpid kernel Dec 1, 2018, 10:29 PM

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When he shot the covy ship was it destroyed or was it's gun just disabled?

heavy linden Dec 1, 2018, 11:28 PM

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I think it was destroyed

unique rune Dec 1, 2018, 11:44 PM

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Disabled the ventral energy projector. An Onager doesn’t have the power to crack a CCS.

limpid kernel Dec 1, 2018, 11:45 PM

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Also I heard according to "the flood" book I think, chief was scared of the flood, but is he scared of them by Halo 2 still?

unique rune Dec 1, 2018, 11:46 PM

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I mean, you don’t shake off a fear of an alien parasite that almost managed to get you very easily.

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Especially not in the short span of, what, a few months?

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Or was it weeks...?

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Can’t remember the exact time gap between CE and 2.

versed helm Dec 1, 2018, 11:47 PM

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Plus the sudden telepathy that it was giving him and all that

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Jesus, there are a lot more psychics in Halo than I thought

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Precursors, flood, Kurt, Lekgolo

limpid kernel Dec 1, 2018, 11:50 PM

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Kurt what

solemn mist Dec 1, 2018, 11:51 PM

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greetings

limpid kernel Dec 1, 2018, 11:52 PM

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Hello

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I just thought that chief might have lost his fear when he pulled that one infection form off of mercy, and how he went into high charity all by himself

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In halo 3

unique rune Dec 1, 2018, 11:59 PM

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Most of that is probably just a result of Bungie pretending that the extended universe material didn’t exist.

limpid kernel Dec 2, 2018, 12:03 AM

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Why would they do that?

unique rune Dec 2, 2018, 12:07 AM

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They didn’t like the idea of other people touching their franchise.

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At least that’s how I understand the whole situation.

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And I’m glad 343 doesn’t follow that policy...

limpid kernel Dec 2, 2018, 12:17 AM

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Oh, none of Bungie made those books?

last anchor Dec 2, 2018, 12:18 AM

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Microsoft techincally made them have them made.

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Fall of Reach almost didnt happen

limpid kernel Dec 2, 2018, 12:19 AM

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Oh ok

versed helm Dec 2, 2018, 12:50 AM

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Bungie centered all of halo around green man.

versed helm Dec 2, 2018, 1:54 AM

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Yeah, Kurt has some kind of sixth sense for traps and danger @limpid kernel

pulsar pendant Dec 2, 2018, 3:17 AM

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speaking of books, is there any in-lore explanation for this giant room? first time i get to this point i was marveled by the animated textures. this place seems to have a purpose but its never explained ingame
https://i.imgur.com/tMjfd8b.jpg

last anchor Dec 2, 2018, 3:21 AM

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Nope

feral perch Dec 2, 2018, 3:22 AM

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What a glorious FOV

limpid kernel Dec 2, 2018, 3:46 AM

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oh god

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that is quite the fov

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anyway isnt that the room that just links to the snow pplace ?

pulsar pendant Dec 2, 2018, 4:24 AM

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its where Foe Hammer drops you at the beginning of Assault on the Control Room

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and for the FOV, thats not even my highest setting

keen ravine Dec 2, 2018, 7:57 AM

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I wanna ping a 343i guy... but I don't wanna be banned

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so I'll leave this here:

versed helm Dec 2, 2018, 7:57 AM

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I will read, if that makes you feel better

keen ravine Dec 2, 2018, 7:58 AM

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How many MAC rounds (fired from a autumn-class) Do we need to even dent a Guardian? Even a estimate is okay.

versed helm Dec 2, 2018, 7:58 AM

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I think it's like 20 MAC rounds

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Is that from Warfleet @versed helm

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?

keen ravine Dec 2, 2018, 7:58 AM

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Wew. Okay.

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Cause If I didn't get a number I'd just use the 3 vindications for Slipspace bombs

versed helm Dec 2, 2018, 7:59 AM

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@keen ravine i debate this with my girlfriend all the time

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What

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Then we 1v1 on reach

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My girlfriend plays video games 24/7

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Oh, so it's a right hand joke

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Just like people with big trucks

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They drive them around 24/7?

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No tiny packers and they can't get laid so they want in their truck

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I honestly don't know what you're on about

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What the hell are you talking about lmfao

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Idk

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And why is your pfp focused on a Spartan's chin and so low res

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Idk

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With a white background

keen ravine Dec 2, 2018, 8:05 AM

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And I just realized... on the Halo Nation after posting my battlegroup

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it's escalated into memes

versed helm Dec 2, 2018, 8:05 AM

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Why lol

keen ravine Dec 2, 2018, 8:07 AM

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Shrug

versed helm Dec 2, 2018, 8:07 AM

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Either way, Guardians suck

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They don't do anything cool and are weak asf

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Bad Blood described them moving so slowly, and for a forerunner machine that's supposed to be all magi-tech was agonising to read

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I want to see forerunner stuff do things that make them seem far beyond what the UNSC or Covenant could muster

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Like ONI have a planet-killing bomb, yet forerunner vessels seem barely any better than some of the higher showings of Covenant ships

last anchor Dec 2, 2018, 8:14 AM

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Warfleet suggets the ones weve seen so far are the weaker ones

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The ones we see in Halo Wars and in Origins PT 1 indicate rather...more impressive capabilities

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And Mantles approach nearly one-fisted the entire UNSC Home Fleet

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MAC guns too

versed helm Dec 2, 2018, 8:15 AM

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Really? That's good to hear. Maybe like a mass-produced throw-away?

last anchor Dec 2, 2018, 8:15 AM

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Yeah.

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Guardians were never designed for front line combat. They're made for what they're doing now; dealing with "lesser" civilizations.

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Enforcement and custodian protocols through force as neccecary

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Stuff like Mantles Approach is more in line with Forerunner ship firepower.

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Planet cracking, fleet-wiping, star-stripping oblitoriative firepower

versed helm Dec 2, 2018, 8:17 AM

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I actually would like to read more about the star-stripping abilities

last anchor Dec 2, 2018, 8:17 AM

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Its not specifically mentioned anywhere but their shield worlds did feed off suns, as well as other universes and vacuum energy

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At least I think so. I dont rightfully remember

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But the Builders cracked planets and moved stars and made new ones as needed so

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So did the Miners

versed helm Dec 2, 2018, 8:19 AM

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If a NOVA bomb can mass-scatter a planet, I'd hope planet-cracking would be standard for a ship that's larger than the death star IMO

last anchor Dec 2, 2018, 8:19 AM

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Its standard for most Forerunner ships that carry mass torsion beams I think.

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Basically they can focuse gravity through hardlight to literally strip sections off enemy ships or twist them under their sheilds

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Works on planets too I think.
Actually thats how the Didact got into the Composer hall on Ivanov if I had to guess

versed helm Dec 2, 2018, 8:21 AM

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I like that more exotic approach than just supermassive laser beams

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But I always thought someone like the Didact was at least Infinity War Iron Man-tier, but I may be wrong about that

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last anchor Dec 2, 2018, 8:22 AM

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Oh he is. Just...more focused

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Also he was...kind of crazy cause of the Logic Plague

versed helm Dec 2, 2018, 8:22 AM

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Which could justify why he simply toyed with John

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Also, imagine how powerful WE would be if he concentrated all of his manpower into one body, instead of 3 million.

last anchor Dec 2, 2018, 8:23 AM

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Hes pretty hardy as he stands.

versed helm Dec 2, 2018, 8:23 AM

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I wonder...how does the Logic Plague work on organic beings?

last anchor Dec 2, 2018, 8:23 AM

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Fighting him in-game doesnt equal how hardcore he would be in real life.

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Its an adaptive viral logic stream. Its not actually a virus or anything, its a...memetic virus.

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Like an ear worm or a viral video but its bad stuff

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Like RickRoll but...toxic

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And pro-Flood

versed helm Dec 2, 2018, 8:24 AM

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Blue Team must be really badass lol

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So something like Reaper indoctrination

last anchor Dec 2, 2018, 8:25 AM

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From Overwatch? Something like that, except with far more competent foes than a monkey and a British pilot

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Yes. Blue Team is UTTERLY badass

versed helm Dec 2, 2018, 8:26 AM

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From Mass Effect

last anchor Dec 2, 2018, 8:26 AM

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Ohhh those Reapers. Yeah.

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Perhaps not THAT level

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But...hardy. I think Warzone boss Warden is a pretty good example of what I think ti would take to knock him down.

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Just the basic one though, forget the Mythic. Even hes not that tough

versed helm Dec 2, 2018, 8:27 AM

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I wish Blue Team carried more than just small arms all the time though

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I'd like to see them fight Brute Chieftans and bosses with SPNKrs, stanchions, Splasers etc

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Silent Storm was good with that

versed helm Dec 2, 2018, 9:40 AM

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I hope we see Marines/ODST in the next game i kinda missed them in Halo 5, also i would like to see them with armor more like they used to have before Halo 4, not that ugly mesh stuff they had in Halo 4

carmine sleet Dec 2, 2018, 9:53 AM

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It wasn't "ugly mesh stuff" in Halo 4, it was still a BDU, just one that didn't look like the more classic BDUs worn in the older Halo games

versed helm Dec 2, 2018, 10:07 AM

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It was a lot weaker as well, in other Halo Games they worse actual armor with armor plating

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And it had a lot more protection

carmine sleet Dec 2, 2018, 10:09 AM

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If you're going off of gameplay, that means nothing lorewise

versed helm Dec 2, 2018, 10:10 AM

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Yeah i am going off lore, i just cant see how the armor they used in Halo 4 would offer protections against plasma

carmine sleet Dec 2, 2018, 10:11 AM

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There is nothing in the lore that states it's weaker than previous sets though

obsidian thistle Dec 2, 2018, 11:20 AM

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Marine BDUs have never been described in detail tbh bar the Halo 2 Classic set and some details on the Reach and 4 sets

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Halo 2 Classic is the one we have the most on cause lore its lore is on Crates lol

maiden mica Dec 2, 2018, 12:30 PM

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What was the armor best suited for cold environments?

warped fiber Dec 2, 2018, 1:11 PM

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The Halo reach and 4 armor would be good armor for they are vacuumed sealed and designed for EXO combat. But then you also have the Halo Wars/2 Anniversary armor that has a winter varriant

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The Halo 3 armor would be the Worst for it's designed for tropical environments. A 3D modeler pointed out that the Halo 3 and Reach armor have many similarities and the modeling and design, especially if you look at the back armor. Basically he showed me that for the armor itself, the Halo Reach armor was the Halo 3 armor with texture and design improvements.

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Also the Halo 4 armor was pretty armored. This was the Marine you saw the most in the campaign

https://xboxdvr.com/gamer/theron-nett/screenshot/7291201

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Which honestly wasn't a bad design

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Thing is about the Molle vest is that it is flexible and adaptable for the style of combat you are about to engage in. Also the vest had ballistic plates in them as well as ballistic wieve. Then you could extra armor plating to the armor if need be as you can see with that many different varriants you see of the Halo 4 marine armor

pulsar pendant Dec 2, 2018, 2:03 PM

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you can solve pretty much everything with a NOVA bomb.
too bad these are hard to come by.

maiden mica Dec 2, 2018, 2:11 PM

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Hmm?

pulsar pendant Dec 2, 2018, 2:11 PM

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@maiden mica YGGDRASSIL maybe? i mean the thing probably has a toaster and everything given its size.
(mind the nuclear reactor that powers it)

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(i butchered the grammar. sorry)

maiden mica Dec 2, 2018, 2:12 PM

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No, I mean, in the Halo 5 descriptions one of the armor says it's good for cold weathers but I forgot which one was and I don't want to go through the 250+ armour sets to know which one was...

pulsar pendant Dec 2, 2018, 2:13 PM

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ah, its not seeker thats for sure

maiden mica Dec 2, 2018, 2:14 PM

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You mean the non canon armor that never existed and that we don't speak of?

pulsar pendant Dec 2, 2018, 2:15 PM

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heh

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maybe the Ranger one?
the description is "Designed for remote operatives engaging in hostile environmental conditions."

subtle depot Dec 2, 2018, 2:20 PM

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*laughs in seeker armor•

magic stump Dec 2, 2018, 2:21 PM

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Seeker bad
Fernir Wolfernir is better

subtle depot Dec 2, 2018, 2:22 PM

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I know someone that actually enjoys the look of seeker

maiden mica Dec 2, 2018, 2:23 PM

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It's either Dab005 or someone who I am going to [[REDACTED]]

pulsar pendant Dec 2, 2018, 2:24 PM

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seeker aint that bad if you compare it with the Halo Online armors.

knotty kernel Dec 2, 2018, 2:44 PM

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@modest marsh I got a feat you may like from Master Chief

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/518335628887326741/518778496340983810/image.gif

obsidian thistle Dec 2, 2018, 3:31 PM

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I like Seeker...

last anchor Dec 2, 2018, 4:51 PM

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Its not a bad armor idea, the helmets just really badly designed.
Its no even ugly, its just tactically impractical. The entire bowl thing it has for a face is a total shot-trap

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I dunno about the body though, why does it have 26 painted on it

unique rune Dec 2, 2018, 6:03 PM

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The 26 is to represent that it was designed by two six-year-olds.

subtle depot Dec 2, 2018, 7:39 PM

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“Mommy look I drew mister chef!”

versed helm Dec 2, 2018, 7:42 PM

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“Very good honey, this is going on the fridge door!”

maiden mica Dec 2, 2018, 9:40 PM

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"Mommy where did my draw gone?"

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"The dog ate it along with your homework and daddy's tax declaration"

remote spruce Dec 3, 2018, 12:21 AM

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hope marine fireteams return

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and have them carrying SAWs

polar cobalt Dec 3, 2018, 12:30 AM

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What were the ataf turrets?

last anchor Dec 3, 2018, 12:31 AM

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ATAF?

polar cobalt Dec 3, 2018, 12:31 AM

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Yeah

last anchor Dec 3, 2018, 12:32 AM

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No what’s it stand for?

polar cobalt Dec 3, 2018, 12:32 AM

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Theres a page on halopedia but it's not very informative

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Dunno

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I've seen on Reddit that it was used on the front lines in ground battles

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But idk

last anchor Dec 3, 2018, 12:33 AM

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Might wanna ask @obsidian thistle

polar cobalt Dec 3, 2018, 12:34 AM

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Huh

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Do I just tag him here

olive remnant Dec 3, 2018, 3:07 AM

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If spartan and elite shields regenerate when they are destroyed why don't they recharge when they due?

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Die

feral perch Dec 3, 2018, 3:13 AM

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to save on the CPU

dusty pilot Dec 3, 2018, 3:17 AM

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shields are probably connected to the user Neural Lace, once the user dies, the shields wont power up along with other stuff too i guess.

last anchor Dec 3, 2018, 3:22 AM

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Maybe they do, who knows. Usually though if the user is killed the armors totaled

limpid kernel Dec 3, 2018, 3:44 AM

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Do elites have motion trackers in canon?

versed helm Dec 3, 2018, 3:48 AM

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I don't see why they'd exclude it if it's an ability in-game

limpid kernel Dec 3, 2018, 3:51 AM

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Was just wondering

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Also how long has the pillar of autumn been in service? Has it been in space before the events of Halo 1?

versed helm Dec 3, 2018, 3:53 AM

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It was mentioned in Halo Wars 1

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So it has been in service since December 1st 2510

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Although i wondered..who captained the POA during the events of Halo Wars 1

unique rune Dec 3, 2018, 4:00 AM

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Halcyons are kinda old.

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The Pillar of Autumn is stated to have begun construction in 2507, and was completed in 2509.

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Launched in 2510, and then got a refit in 2550 for Operation: RED FLAG.

maiden mica Dec 3, 2018, 6:05 AM

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@remote spruce I think you can give Fireteam Hacksaw SAWs on the mission of the same name

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although in that mission you can give them Rockets and Splasers too, so you can guess what did I do instead

last anchor Dec 3, 2018, 6:10 AM

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Canonically Marines carry all kinds of weapons. Reach had several armed with M319s and DMRs.

versed helm Dec 3, 2018, 7:45 AM

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I'd like it if Alpha nine had an exoskeleton similar to the Nightfall armour during ODST

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It could be a good explanation for what people like dutch could do in-game (flipping warthogs, knocking down Brute Chieftans)

carmine sleet Dec 3, 2018, 7:47 AM

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Not really something that needed explaining outside of "ODST uses the same engine as Halo 3 but with minor tweaks and those are things they allow the players to do for the sake of gameplay"

versed helm Dec 3, 2018, 7:51 AM

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Those were scripted events

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The game wants you to flip a warthog over in Dutch's mission, then he pummelled down that brute in NMPD HQ

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I think those Black Dagger ODSTs could give a Spartan III some trouble with those suits - especially if they have an AI assisting their reflexes like Silva in The Flood

carmine sleet Dec 3, 2018, 7:53 AM

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He didn't solo the Brute though

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And you can just not flip the hog and the marines will do it instead

versed helm Dec 3, 2018, 7:53 AM

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He still knocked it's entire weight to the ground with an uppercut. That's not human

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Really? I didn't know that

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I'll have to play it again

versed helm Dec 3, 2018, 8:14 AM

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--

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They don't

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Plus, there are 4 marines alongside the hog. Even if they were to all try to budge the weight, each of them would have to exert a force equivalent to rolling over a 1500lb car

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And that's if you were to permeate their strength levels. If any of them are weaker than that, it's making the others even stronger.

versed helm Dec 3, 2018, 8:43 AM

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Looking at the Rhinos from HW1..i'm wondering..why hasn't the UNSC ever attempted to recreate it after the war

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There's a lot of oddities regarding the UNSC's logistical concerns

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Like why the hell would they not think to return to mass-producing Stanchion rifles against the covenant?

carmine sleet Dec 3, 2018, 9:00 AM

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Money and resources

versed helm Dec 3, 2018, 9:03 AM

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Also...was it really a good idea to retire the Marathons?

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Maybe they shouldn't always make all of their resources so big then

carmine sleet Dec 3, 2018, 9:06 AM

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Resource management. Sometimes it's too costly to make certain weapons or to keep certain ships in service

versed helm Dec 3, 2018, 9:07 AM

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Just like ORION program, I guess

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Remember Erebus VII?

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I can't help but wonder...what could've caused the UNSC to abandon that planet?

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Something they could explore in a novel or comic, instead of just the whole forerunner artefact trope that's been creeping through the lore recently

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Yeah, I always loved that map in Halo 4

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I've been also wanting to know more about those luminescing trees from the mission 343 GS

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Speaking of Abandon..i wonder what those creatures in the test tubes are

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Exactly why I thought that map would make for an awesome novel

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Maybe some kind of Xenomorph-like creatures, and there are Spartan iii's sent on a mission to investigate

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Same with those weird creatures found on Argent Moon

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I think those were just Jackals

upper star Dec 3, 2018, 11:54 AM

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The Marathons were retired because there were too few of them left by the end of the war, I dare say no more than 10-12. Also the Autumn class is a superior ship, granted I think as a heavy cruiser it should have 2 MACs not one

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Maybe the remaining Marathons are being used as exploration ships to restablish UNSC presence in previously lost systems, though I doubt they got many post war upgrades like energy shielding.

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@versed helm logistics and cost is what hindered both the Rhino and Grizzly line of tanks. Though both were extremely effective when deployed, often needing orbital attacks to remove them, the cost of building them and complex or heavy dedicated platforms needed to deploy them means their production was seen more as a luxury than necessity as the war closed in.

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Post war maybe then will be improved and reintroduced, will just have to wait and ses

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See

obsidian thistle Dec 3, 2018, 12:05 PM

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Hmmm "ATAF missile turret" huh...

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This is absolutely all the info we have on them...

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https://www.halopedia.org/ATAF_missile_turret

ATAF missile turret

ATAF missile turrets are turrets that are carried aboard some United Nations Space Command vessels. They were deployed to the front lines along with barracks, fusion reactors, and other buildings. The UNSC Spirit of Fire is known to have carried some of them.

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That the Spirit of Fire carried em.

full forge Dec 3, 2018, 3:09 PM

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/shrug

versed helm Dec 3, 2018, 3:09 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

full forge Dec 3, 2018, 3:09 PM

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I wish a lot of ship weaponry was more fleshed out.

limpid kernel Dec 3, 2018, 3:14 PM

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@versed helm is your pfp dabbing

versed helm Dec 3, 2018, 3:18 PM

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Yes it is arbiter dabbing

limpid kernel Dec 3, 2018, 3:20 PM

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Oh bo y

full forge Dec 3, 2018, 3:25 PM

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Why is it throughout the human-forerunner war, the humans could never communicate the danger of the flood?

carmine sleet Dec 3, 2018, 3:27 PM

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Forerunners likely didn't want to listen

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At least not until after they stopped humanity

subtle depot Dec 3, 2018, 3:30 PM

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Forerunners where like HuMAn bAD

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Especially ur-didact

severe elbow Dec 3, 2018, 3:37 PM

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The Ur-Didact wasn't particularly anti-human until after the war. During the first Halo 4 Terminal, he, among the Master Builder and the Librarian, was the most even-headed regarding humanity, urging them to act according to the Mantle.

subtle depot Dec 3, 2018, 3:39 PM

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Oh okay sorry about that

full forge Dec 3, 2018, 4:19 PM

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I think the humans tried warning the forerunners, but the forerunners underestimated the flood threat and concluded the humans were using it as an excuse for taking their worlds.

last anchor Dec 3, 2018, 4:56 PM

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Thats the long and short of it from Cryptum, yes

modest marsh Dec 3, 2018, 5:50 PM

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@versed helm in the base game, 5 marines can flip a Warthog

versed helm Dec 3, 2018, 7:33 PM

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I wonder if at some point in the future...the UNSC and the SOS will ever physically find Charum Hakkor and its system

versed helm Dec 3, 2018, 8:15 PM

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Oh my god that would be amazing!

versed helm Dec 3, 2018, 8:36 PM

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I wonder what they might think of the planet once they find it

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I would love to know that!

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I still like to know what planet did the UNSC even find the artifacts that would eventually lead to the creation of the HELLCAT-class Mjolnir armor

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Yeah, I wondered that

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Cause didn't Requiem open up cause it detected Cheifs armor?

severe elbow Dec 3, 2018, 8:47 PM

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It detected the Chief himself.

versed helm Dec 3, 2018, 8:48 PM

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Really?

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Oh yeah cause he was the Reclaimer!

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I also wonder, was the Didact that was awakened the true Didact or the Ur-Didact?

severe elbow Dec 3, 2018, 8:49 PM

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Ur-Didact.

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And arguably the Ur-Didact is the true Didact because he's the original.

versed helm Dec 3, 2018, 8:50 PM

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But wasn't the Ur-Didact the one who was imprinted by the Didact and became a warrior servant

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Or was it vice versa

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Cause didn't the Ur-Didact awaken him from his first Cryptum?

severe elbow Dec 3, 2018, 8:52 PM

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No, the Ur-Didact imprinted himself on Bornstellar-Makes-Eternal-Lasting, who became the IsoDidact.

versed helm Dec 3, 2018, 8:52 PM

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That's what it was!

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So Bornstellar is who I was thinking was the Ur-Didact

quiet dock Dec 3, 2018, 8:53 PM

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Mate im just confused

versed helm Dec 3, 2018, 8:53 PM

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But he's the IsoDidact

subtle depot Dec 3, 2018, 8:54 PM

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Yeah

versed helm Dec 3, 2018, 8:54 PM

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Okay, thanks for the clearance there

subtle depot Dec 3, 2018, 8:54 PM

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Bornstellar/isodidact is known to be the more human friendly one aka not composing new Phoenix

versed helm Dec 3, 2018, 8:54 PM

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I don't remember, wasn't the IsoDidact on the Greater ark during the Forerunner last stand?

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Yeah I remember that

subtle depot Dec 3, 2018, 8:55 PM

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I think he was. To be fair the ur-didact was kind of insane due to time with the gravemind so we can’t really blame him

versed helm Dec 3, 2018, 8:56 PM

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Yeah

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I wonder...how long can a Forerunner live for without their armor?

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For a long time I believe

severe elbow Dec 3, 2018, 8:56 PM

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@versed helm Please don't try to bypass the profanity filter.

versed helm Dec 3, 2018, 8:57 PM

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Bornstellar didn't have his armor when he awoke the Ur-didact

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Okay,

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I didn't know I couldn't just censor it myself

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Sorry for that

wispy bough Dec 3, 2018, 9:01 PM

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All good 👌🏻

versed helm Dec 3, 2018, 9:03 PM

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thinkingchief So, if the IsoDidact died on the Greater Ark, humanity only has the Librarian as a friend

severe elbow Dec 3, 2018, 9:04 PM

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He didn't die on the Greater Ark. He was there, but he was saved by Guilty Spark, then went to the Lesser Ark to activate the Halo Array.

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The Librarian is dead.

wispy bough Dec 3, 2018, 9:04 PM

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Not in my dreams

versed helm Dec 3, 2018, 9:05 PM

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IIRC...the lifespan of an average Forerunner is usually indefinite right?

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Yeah

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So the IsoDidact may still live, or did the Halos get him too

severe elbow Dec 3, 2018, 9:05 PM

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He was on the Ark, which is outside of the Halos' firing range.

versed helm Dec 3, 2018, 9:06 PM

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Although i'm not sure if their armor makes them immortal or not

severe elbow Dec 3, 2018, 9:06 PM

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He reseeded life with the other remaining Forerunners, "reset" the Domain, then left the galaxy in exile, having a son on a planet in another galaxy.

versed helm Dec 3, 2018, 9:06 PM

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Really!?

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So there's still a chance the IsoDidact is out there!

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Depending on how long a Forerunner can live for without their armor

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I know they can go for quite a while

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Wait, how many years had it been since the Firing in halo 5?

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But living for a 100k years is a bit of a stretch..even for an advanced race like the Forerunners

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Yeah

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I guess

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But the precursors had lived even up to the firing of the Halos

fair hazel Dec 3, 2018, 9:10 PM

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His children might be out there

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I recommend reading rebirth and the extra story in fractures

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Listening to rebirth

versed helm Dec 3, 2018, 9:11 PM

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Okay

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I'll check those out

severe elbow Dec 3, 2018, 9:11 PM

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Precursors are nigh-godlike beings. They're really not comparable.

versed helm Dec 3, 2018, 9:11 PM

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Where can I find those stories?

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and good point @severe elbow

fair hazel Dec 3, 2018, 9:11 PM

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YouTube for halo rebirth

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And halo: fractures

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For the extra story

versed helm Dec 3, 2018, 9:12 PM

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okay

severe elbow Dec 3, 2018, 9:12 PM

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Rebirth is also included in some copies of Silentium.

versed helm Dec 3, 2018, 9:12 PM

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I might have seen it then, I'll check

fair hazel Dec 3, 2018, 9:12 PM

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Must be newer copies.

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By Greg bear and Eric bear

versed helm Dec 3, 2018, 9:12 PM

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Yeah

fair hazel Dec 3, 2018, 9:12 PM

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Isn’t the great bear constellation named after Greg bear?

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Just kidding

versed helm Dec 3, 2018, 9:13 PM

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XD

thorn ibex Dec 4, 2018, 1:53 AM

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hm

versed helm Dec 4, 2018, 2:26 AM

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I'm still wondering...was there any reason as to why Path Kethona was devoid of life except for that planet that those ancient Forerunners lived on?

subtle depot Dec 4, 2018, 2:41 AM

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@versed helm I would say that it’s probably the same reason our solar system only has us.

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It’s just what ended up happening

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The real question is how are those forerunners there when others exist elsewhere that have no idea they even existed

tall moat Dec 4, 2018, 1:15 PM

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“It’s a simple equation,” Halsey said. “One world now, or a hundred later.”

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Very apt for Catherine, and mirroring the Spartan Program too 👌🏿

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(From Silent Storm)

marsh flint Dec 4, 2018, 5:51 PM

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I wouldn't call myself very lore savvy, but does anyone here think the reasoning behind Chiefs old armour being present in the Infinite trailer is due to the Guardians emp blasts? Maybe those blasts were so bad that it resulted in the UNSC having to use older tech? I dunno. ._.

fair hazel Dec 4, 2018, 5:54 PM

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You're making very likely inccorect assumptions.

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Old armour

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what makes you say that's old armour

marsh flint Dec 4, 2018, 5:56 PM

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Looked kinda like the Halo 3 armour to me.

carmine sleet Dec 4, 2018, 5:56 PM

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Doesn't mean it's old armour though

fair hazel Dec 4, 2018, 5:56 PM

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Does it look the same? No.

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It’s also not EMP

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And have you forgotten what happened to the Armour he wore in halo 3?

severe elbow Dec 4, 2018, 5:57 PM

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In Legacy of Onyx, Tom's armor was fine, I'm pretty sure. I don't think he was wearing SPI, but someone correct me if I'm wrong.

fair hazel Dec 4, 2018, 5:57 PM

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He was wearing MJOLNIR

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It’s on the cover

severe elbow Dec 4, 2018, 5:57 PM

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I figured.

spiral jewel Dec 4, 2018, 5:59 PM

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All I know is that in Halo 4, Chief is in a modified version of H2-3 Armour (still the same armor however), which gets replaced at the end of H4, making way for his H5:G armor...

marsh flint Dec 4, 2018, 6:00 PM

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Ah right, fair enough. Also, I was under the impression that the guardian blast was a type of EMP seeing as we see it shut down everything at the end of Halo 5.

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"Everything" meaning that planet it was above.

fair hazel Dec 4, 2018, 6:01 PM

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It shut down what was in its blast. Not EMP

severe elbow Dec 4, 2018, 6:01 PM

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Well, the same EMP didn't affect Fireteam Osiris' armor and weapons, which is reflected in Legacy of Onyx, where weapons still work.

fair hazel Dec 4, 2018, 6:01 PM

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Different tech

severe elbow Dec 4, 2018, 6:01 PM

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Didn't shut them down, at least.

marsh flint Dec 4, 2018, 6:02 PM

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I see. thinkingchief

modest marsh Dec 4, 2018, 6:21 PM

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The explanation on the Guardian blast isn't air tight, but MJOLNIR of any kind isn't or at least shouldn't have any vulnerabilities that can be exploited by the Created

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the "new old" armor seen in the Infinite teaser is very likely to be a Mark VI variant of the new Generation 3 MJOLNIR discussed in the Spartan Field Guide, which is stated to be based off of the limited run of Mark VII

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kinda annoyed at the fact the fan theory that GEN2 was somehow more vulnerable to cyberintrusion than GEN1 gained traction, because of how nonsensical it is

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GEN1 has been victim to hacking by Forerunner constructs more times than GEN2 has

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For that matter, the only time i can remember GEN2 being "hacked" was when the traitorous UNSC AI had been subtly contacting the Created through Gretchen's armor, and he was supposed to have access to her armor

subtle depot Dec 4, 2018, 6:43 PM

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Chiefs armor wasn’t replaced after 4 I don’t believe just repaired

versed helm Dec 4, 2018, 6:43 PM

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It’s because people whined and complained about his armour being changed and not being. I c o n I. C enough

severe elbow Dec 4, 2018, 6:44 PM

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No, it was replaced.

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He had new armor in The Next 72 Hours, then it got repaired or replaced after that, too.

subtle depot Dec 4, 2018, 6:45 PM

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Really it looks pretty similar? What are the differences in the new set?

severe elbow Dec 4, 2018, 6:45 PM

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It's a Mark VI Gen 2 model.

full forge Dec 4, 2018, 6:55 PM

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It's probably Mk VII
(Yes, seven)

modest marsh Dec 4, 2018, 7:04 PM

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It's not

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or at least it has no reason to be

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Mark VII barely deserves the nomenclature it has

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it's more comparable to MJOLNIR BLACK to Mark VI

carmine sleet Dec 4, 2018, 7:05 PM

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It could have some features from the Mark VII but I doubt it is a suit of Mark VII considering it was used in a very limited capacity and pretty much replaced with Gen 2 armour

vague scroll Dec 4, 2018, 7:18 PM

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Mark VII was always a limited, experimental armor system. As far as current canon is concern, it hasn't been used since Kilo-5. The Chief is definitely using a variant of GEN2 between Halo 4 and into Halo 5. Afterward is unknown but its most likely GEN3 given the new lore added by the Spartan Field Manual.

Appearances at the end of the day do not define technological capabilities, its simply an appearance.

carmine sleet Dec 4, 2018, 7:22 PM

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Indeed

last anchor Dec 4, 2018, 8:59 PM

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It all works the same basically thanks to UNSC engineers

versed helm Dec 4, 2018, 9:00 PM

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I guess we’ll have to wait until infinite

obsidian thistle Dec 4, 2018, 11:53 PM

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Never assume John is wearing GEN3 though. xD by all means it could be another Halo 4 scenario where folks believed John/MP spartans were wearing Mark VII due to books going into that armor in some detail. But nope it was actually Nanobots and GEN2 armor lol

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 12:28 AM

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Concussed Johnson is the greatest thing I’ve ever read 🤣

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Who thunked a guy so charming would ever talk like that

feral perch Dec 5, 2018, 2:58 AM

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"What the minor minister knew about fleet warfare would fit into the bottom of his throat wattle."

subtle depot Dec 5, 2018, 3:30 AM

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Are shotguns as effective as they are in game in lore. Like would it really one shot a spartan or would the mjolnir hold out?

feral perch Dec 5, 2018, 3:34 AM

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Depends on the scene and the writer.

keen ravine Dec 5, 2018, 3:41 AM

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I think of the shotgun like in Homecoming Several Pellets that are fired within close proximity but don't expand like modern ones. more like a ton of small bullets fired at once. that's how Daisy-023 was able to kill the drones easily.

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 3:43 AM

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Depends on the Spartan as well. Even Gen II is significantly more durable than what we see in-game

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Buck was confident in his suit withstanding 3 BR rifles trained center-mass for about three seconds before needing to find cover.

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From Bad Blood

subtle depot Dec 5, 2018, 3:55 AM

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Okay makes sense because in game you die as soon as you take damage when shields are depleted which would make sense for war games but have actually more durable armor

vague scroll Dec 5, 2018, 4:01 AM

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It's probably just a gameplay mechanic, in real life, at least from what I've heard, the shotgun should be an ineffective weapon against energy shields since its a spread weapon which distributes energy over a large area preventing penetration which lends better to precision weapons in that case.

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Of course, the design of the M45/M90/DMT's ammunition might be substantially different from current day so maybe a completely different response.

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 4:54 AM

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@versed helm In 3 seconds, 3 rifles would be able to fire off at least 24 bursts total

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The BR is a 4 burst kill in War Games

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🤔

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 5:02 AM

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It could have been set to fully automatic, as we've seen them be used before in close quarters

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 5:03 AM

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Isnt that even worse lol

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 5:03 AM

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@vague scroll A single M90 shell actually is more effective against energy shields than 60 MA5 rounds

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vague scroll Dec 5, 2018, 5:03 AM

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In the game.

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I meant in real life/lore interpretation.

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 5:03 AM

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Worse as in more durable? Yeah

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Nope, In Silent Storm

vague scroll Dec 5, 2018, 5:04 AM

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I admittingly have not read Silent Storm but that's interesting they confirmed that shotguns really are good against shields.

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 5:04 AM

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John empties an entire magazine of his MA5 into a specops elite, and the shields didn't even fail. He later depleted the shields of one with a single shell

vague scroll Dec 5, 2018, 5:04 AM

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Must be a very heavy metal they're using for the rounds.

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 5:05 AM

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I love halo consistency

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Sometimes the classic novels say sth like a short burst drops an elite

vague scroll Dec 5, 2018, 5:05 AM

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Talked to a Marine about it in the past, he was always against the shotgun being able to break shields.

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 5:05 AM

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I would say so. The novel even goes put of the way to say that he chose the M90 because of it's greater effect against shielding

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 5:05 AM

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Anyway I was talking about how full-auto would be WORSE at close range than burst fire in that it allows way more than (24x3) bullets to be fired

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 5:06 AM

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This was a specops elite though. Normal elites usually take 15 rounds to kill at the most

vague scroll Dec 5, 2018, 5:06 AM

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I'm going to guess the metallic make up and design of the buckshot or whatever spread they're using is very dense and probably has a capacity for high penetration then.

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 5:06 AM

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Dont stealth elites take fewer shots to kill?

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Like the H2 ones that you can drop way faster?

vague scroll Dec 5, 2018, 5:07 AM

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I forget honestly, been a while since I've played the games. I think in Reach the stealth elites were about the same.

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 5:07 AM

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In that game the Spec-Ops Elites were about the same

unique rune Dec 5, 2018, 5:08 AM

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Stealth Elites didn’t have shields in CE... I think. And then every other game gives them shields.

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 5:08 AM

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Yeah, stealth elites have weak shields, if any

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 5:08 AM

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Nah they all had shields

vague scroll Dec 5, 2018, 5:08 AM

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Thank you for correcting me.

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 5:08 AM

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So the question is, are these spec-ops elites?

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 5:08 AM

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Spec ops, however, have greater shields than normal - despite their similar appearance

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 5:09 AM

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Oh alright so theyre the ones in Reach

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 5:09 AM

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They severe the same purpose, and their harness is identical, however they are essentially budget spec-ops

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Yeah, they are

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 5:10 AM

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Anyway, the 3 second BR thing is probably exaggeration

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 5:11 AM

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from how it was written, I doubt it

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 5:12 AM

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Really? 24 bursts compared to 4 burst (albeit with a headshot)?

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 5:14 AM

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Considering how Gen I has been known to soak up 30mm and even some 50mm rounds without depleting, it's not too much of a stretch for Gen II to be that durable

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 5:14 AM

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Lol now ur foolin’

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 5:15 AM

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It's in The Fall of Reach novel hahaha

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 5:16 AM

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I’d understand sth like surviving 8 bursts but I guess you could say the rebels were untrained and could only squeeze off half the maximum (12) bursts, which is definitely still lethal

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 5:17 AM

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They were Spartans

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 5:17 AM

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30mm and 50mm? Must have been nothing more than a few rounds

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I wouldnt say without depleting either im sure they heavily dinged their shields

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 5:18 AM

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At least two rounds from a 50mm "dropped his shields to half"

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 5:18 AM

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So theres no way in hell SPARTAN Buck would survive 3 seconds of close range BR fire

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 5:18 AM

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Then at least two 30mm rounds dropped them by a quarter earlier

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He was never shot, but he just remained calm when he was threatened by them, then he made that claim about his shield surviving them

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 5:19 AM

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216 x 12.7mm would absolutely demolish any MJOLNIR suit

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Then it was an erroneous claim

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 5:20 AM

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I don't remember any Spartan being shot by that save for Silent Storm

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 5:20 AM

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I said would

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 5:20 AM

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In that novel, they said that they would die to them in bursts

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But those rounds were depleted uranium, and John even took a round to his thigh armor from one that deflected

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In his Mark IV

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 5:21 AM

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Sorry what was the point you were trying to make again?

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Im confused, it sounds like we’re on the same side now

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 5:22 AM

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I thought we were just talking about shields

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In earlier armors, they were a threat. In John's newer suits, he isn't as easy to bring down anymore

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Gen II, however, is less durable than Gen I

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 5:23 AM

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Which brings us back to Buck, and his incorrect claim

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No Spartan can survive upwards of 200 bullets

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With just their MJOLNIR*

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 5:24 AM

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Maybe. Retribution claimed that MJOLNIR Gen I can survive an artillery shell and keep the user alive

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 5:25 AM

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Maybe in a lockdown mode once the user is in critical status, like John mentions in Silent Storm

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But Buck would not have been counting on that

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 5:25 AM

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That is really just used for preventing broken bones, less enhancing the plating or shield quality

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 5:26 AM

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It was just the writer’s license to dramatise, come on

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(Matt Forbeck, not Troy Denning)

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 5:27 AM

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I mean, there isn't really anything in the canon that says otherwise, barring one or two instances from the early novels

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 5:27 AM

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Maybe not, but every game says otherwise

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And not just marginally

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I dont get why you’re arguing the possibility that a 4 burst kill weapon would leave a target alive after SIX TIMES that amount

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 5:28 AM

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I don't they they would worry about canonizing something you can't do in the campaign

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 5:29 AM

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True, campaign is more canonical lol

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Soo

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Maybe a 6 shot kill to be generous

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On Heroic, the way Halo was meant to be played, thats probably all you need to drop an Elite

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 5:30 AM

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Have you played Reach? Lol

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I can't even kill Ultras with a SPNKR

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 5:30 AM

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Doesnt even have the BR 🤷🏿‍♂️

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I love and hate Reach Elites

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So graceful and elegant but also so stupidly tough

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 5:31 AM

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They do look the second best aesthetically IMO

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Next to Halo 2's

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 5:32 AM

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Classic or Anni?

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 5:33 AM

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Classic. Anni's hooves are too small to be #1

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 5:34 AM

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But, but... you can’t! HD Elites are too enticing!

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 5:34 AM

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I'm sure I'd prefer the classic design if it were rendered in those graphics

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 5:35 AM

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Fine, old man 😤

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I would pick H3 over CE or H2 any day, after Reach of course

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I think they were too lanky and disproportionate in the first two games

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H3 was really when they got big and menacing

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 5:37 AM

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3 did have a good balance in interpreting that

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Not bulky enough to substitute for Brutes, and not lanky enough to be mistaken as Jackals

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Speaking of, there's a cool scene in Contact Harvest where a War Chieftain stops a warthog in it's tracks with a hammer (unpowered) swing

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 5:40 AM

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I hate Jackals in any game to the core. They’re the scrawniest, most cunning, pathetic little vultures hiding behind their OP shield gauntlets.

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 5:42 AM

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I prefer skirmishers

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 5:47 AM

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They have a stupidly powerful leap but they only appeared once so far, I can excuse that. Any more and I would begin to hate them more though.

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 5:48 AM

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They're a good challenge for marines and ODST's en masse without having to worry about making the big-hitters look bad

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Such as, say, two marines take down an elite, despite any single sangheili warrior supposedly being worth as much as a whole squad of marines

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 5:50 AM

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Maybe not any, just some

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But yeah I’d like to see Hunters that actually are walking tanks like in Halo 5

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 5:51 AM

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Hunters really get a bad wrap

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They don't really have any scenes from any media that makes you appreciate them (from what I've seen)

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 5:52 AM

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Rap?

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Yeah H4: FUD is all I can really think of

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Nightfall doesn’t count

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 5:53 AM

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They just are always pushovers. If we have no established feats of them taking on entire platoons, then Buck killing two at once doesn't make them seem impressive

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The only thing I can think of is that hunter that backhanded a 3.5 tonne warthog and sent it flying in Spartan Ops

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 5:54 AM

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But even a Chieftain could stop one as you said.

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When did Buck kill two? H3:ODST?

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 5:54 AM

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Yes

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I think one of them was even a high-ranking one

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Actually, that Hunter Captain in HW2 was cool

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 6:03 AM

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The high ranking gold ones yea?

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Yes Colony is my boyfriend @void adder

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Not YOURS

last anchor Dec 5, 2018, 6:10 AM

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To be fair Colony is its own boyfriend

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 6:20 AM

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You will not take her from me!

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🔥😡🔥

last anchor Dec 5, 2018, 6:22 AM

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Its a bunch of worms mate. No gender

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 6:22 AM

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Your anger and your lust for lust for power have already done that

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 6:23 AM

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I see through the lies of the Prophets...

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 6:23 AM

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They come off as masculine though

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 6:23 AM

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Anything war-like comes off as masculine 😐

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 6:23 AM

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Exactly

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Unless it's a Jedi

last anchor Dec 5, 2018, 6:24 AM

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No Force in Halo, thank god

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Not that it would do much good against most everything in this universe

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 6:24 AM

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Cough Didact

last anchor Dec 5, 2018, 6:24 AM

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Thats gravitational manipulation

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 6:24 AM

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And Forerunner space magicks

last anchor Dec 5, 2018, 6:24 AM

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Human-sized capabilities of something Forerunner starships have as a main weapon

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Torsion driver It hink its called? Someone check me on that

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 6:25 AM

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Yeah Ive heard of that

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On the Mantles Approach?

last anchor Dec 5, 2018, 6:25 AM

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Not just it but many others

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Like the ones we see in Origins and again inside Halo Wars's shield world

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 6:27 AM

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Well I second your sentiment, the Force would be utter blasphemy in Halo

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 6:27 AM

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Cough Precursors

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Cough Mgalekgolo telepathy

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Cough Kurt

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Cough Gravemind

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 6:28 AM

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343 better watch how extravagant they make Forerunner technology

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 6:29 AM

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I'm personally fine with it

last anchor Dec 5, 2018, 6:29 AM

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At least most of the stuff above has some reasonable explanation

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Even if it is a big freaky like "slipspace"

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 6:30 AM

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Precursor tech I’m fine with being unbelievably fantastical

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But I’d rather not it be conveniently used to explain everything

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 6:31 AM

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Neural Physics

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Even the Didact performed what is essentially telepathy in Halo 4 (implied), since cortana wasn't picking up anything on any channels

fair hazel Dec 5, 2018, 6:33 AM

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The masculine stuff is self projection I’d say.

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It could be something domain related.

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 6:34 AM

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Domain, the force, I don't see a difference

fair hazel Dec 5, 2018, 6:34 AM

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Ugh now it makes me think of how good halo 4 campaign was

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Then you need to go understand what both are

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 6:35 AM

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Care to explain?

fair hazel Dec 5, 2018, 6:35 AM

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How about you.

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Easier to lay out what is wrong and pick at it.

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I think

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 6:36 AM

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Because to me, they seem to be an essential and underlying aspect of what all that is, is the source of what thrives expansion and existence

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Hence why they call it a "force", or a "domain" - they're just different perceptions of what's essentially the same concept

fair hazel Dec 5, 2018, 6:38 AM

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The domain was created at some point. Things existed before that and not all things are linked to the domain. So it is not essential to all there is to exist

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The force has two aspects. The cosmic force and the living force. The cosmic forces powers the living force. And upon death, the living force returns to the cosmic force.

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 6:39 AM

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It was harnessed into something that can be interpreted and controlled IIRC. Not that it was a thing that was brought into existence

fair hazel Dec 5, 2018, 6:39 AM

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The domain is like this repository of knowledge and a network. But it’s ever changing. Inside it’s like it’s alive.

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 6:40 AM

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Almost like a living force, no?

fair hazel Dec 5, 2018, 6:40 AM

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It changes things sometimes. Alters them.

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No.

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One is like fate and destiny and a something balancing. The other is like, this living consciousness twisting and changing things to its own versions.

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 6:42 AM

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You were talking about perception, and I think that the domain also takes form of what one's personality or "essence" holds

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Meaning it's not so much it's own thing, but a reflection of the perciever

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There is also what you can see looks very much like the form of a human soul after the death of a Promethean construct, arrested within a stream of orange data, which I find interesting

fair hazel Dec 5, 2018, 6:45 AM

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The domain is like an entity

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And tbe human soul as in composed Prometheans is a representation

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Also it’s not like the domain grants these powers like the force does

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The force does due to midichoorisna and being around people and things and sort of manipulating them

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 6:46 AM

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Kurt would beg to differ

last anchor Dec 5, 2018, 6:46 AM

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Its more like the Warp in Warhammer 40k than anything

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cept its not hell

fair hazel Dec 5, 2018, 6:46 AM

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They’re white separate

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 6:47 AM

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I believe midichorians merely are attracted to a strong connection to the force, and not the definitive representation of it

fair hazel Dec 5, 2018, 6:47 AM

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Quite

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Just because you believe something doesn’t mean it’s what it is. Remember that.

last anchor Dec 5, 2018, 6:49 AM

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Star Wars doesnt even have an answer is the thing

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They used too but the canon wipe saw to that

fair hazel Dec 5, 2018, 6:50 AM

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Well the force is explored in canon. Although I have a feeling some of the new writers are a bit... ignoring the ground work that was laid

last anchor Dec 5, 2018, 6:50 AM

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They dont have too. The groundwork vanished with the rest of Legends

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 6:51 AM

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Something like that better not happen to Halo 20 years down the line...

fair hazel Dec 5, 2018, 6:52 AM

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There was stuff killer. Laid in clone wars and stuff.

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That remained canon

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Halo has done what Star Wars tries to do but before Star Wars

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343 saw to that

last anchor Dec 5, 2018, 6:52 AM

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Except literally better

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Because Halo has a much MUCH more organized lore than anything Star Wars could even dream of

fair hazel Dec 5, 2018, 6:53 AM

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343 industries has been managing halo for 11 years I think now

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Yeah

last anchor Dec 5, 2018, 6:53 AM

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Even before that, Bungie did a pretty darn fine job

fair hazel Dec 5, 2018, 6:53 AM

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343 has been managing halo longer than bungie s has

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 6:53 AM

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I like how full circle the books have come

fair hazel Dec 5, 2018, 6:53 AM

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Well there’s reach

last anchor Dec 5, 2018, 6:54 AM

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Reach was kind of a joke

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 6:54 AM

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Noble Team 😒

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It was really satisfying seeing the Spartans train and develop, win the war, escape various installations, and now continue to be the guardians of humanity

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Thanks 343.

last anchor Dec 5, 2018, 6:55 AM

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Reach could have been a bit better if Bungie had fit it with the lore more, but hey

fair hazel Dec 5, 2018, 6:57 AM

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I’m still worried about the statement of keeping things more délestage

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More separate

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I still want infinite to have connections with the greater lore and story direction

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 6:57 AM

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Honestly I’d rather have seen the original Red and Blue teams in Halo Reach

fair hazel Dec 5, 2018, 6:58 AM

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Wouldn’t really make for a great game I think. Maybe if they expanded a red team but it would all take one day?

last anchor Dec 5, 2018, 6:58 AM

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Maybe, maybe not. Who knows my man

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 6:59 AM

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Why... would you use such an obscure word like delestage

fair hazel Dec 5, 2018, 7:00 AM

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I don’t know what that means

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Autocorrect

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 7:00 AM

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Oh loool i spent quite a while trying to adapt the meaning to our context

fair hazel Dec 5, 2018, 7:00 AM

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What did it mean?

gilded mason Dec 5, 2018, 7:01 AM

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French term for racking and returning a wine back to the tank.

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 7:01 AM

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It’s a french noun meaning to divert, remove, rid

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Sth like that

fair hazel Dec 5, 2018, 7:01 AM

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The délestage of the lore

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 7:02 AM

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Not sure if its used in english lol

fair hazel Dec 5, 2018, 7:02 AM

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The lore being the wine. And the tank, um.

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Storing away the stories for later use when the time is more appropriate?

last anchor Dec 5, 2018, 7:02 AM

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Dumping it down the drain is more like if we're discussing Legends

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 7:03 AM

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Back into the Halo Bible

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Hey Uny, wouldnt mind seeing that word used in a community update lol

fair hazel Dec 5, 2018, 7:04 AM

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I don’t think he’s going to read that.

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Maybe I should talk him into using that word

tall moat Dec 5, 2018, 7:09 AM

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It’d be much appreciated < 3

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Seeing as how he needs to keep up with Grim’s rhymes, I’m sure a word starting with d would come in handy

fair hazel Dec 5, 2018, 7:10 AM

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Just don’t PM him

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Or tag.

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 7:13 AM

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The main disagreement I had with Reach's direction was it's lack of desperate themes in the skyboxes and landscape

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I would have loved to see cities utterly decimated to char wastelands, and fiery continents melted down to streams of magma like the map Condemned

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More of that would have risen the stakes, and given a stronger contrast to the other games and their battles

last anchor Dec 5, 2018, 7:15 AM

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I still stand by my thought process that it should have taken place AFTER the books instead of before.

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With Spartans on the surface having a better ending

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 7:17 AM

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Yeah, it would have been better by focusing on the IIs. More dramatic, and a nice final goodbye to Bungie's interpretation of the chief

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Noble 6 is just too similar to John anyway

last anchor Dec 5, 2018, 7:21 AM

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Agreed

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Also the fact they borrowed from Nylund, then ignored the rest of his work, kind of annoys me. They dont even mention that Noble is S-IIIs in-game

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 7:24 AM

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At least they implied it with the Halsey confrontation when she was in custody, so it wasn't all ignored

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I would have liked if they went with some alternate perspectives for certain missions, however the primary character still being John

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Maybe a mission that focuses on Members of Gamma company

last anchor Dec 5, 2018, 7:28 AM

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Could you imagine a gameplay mechanic where you go beserk if ou start taking too much damage

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 7:46 AM

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yes

last anchor Dec 5, 2018, 7:47 AM

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The screen goes red, your weapon vanishes, your fists go up...its basically the power up from Doom

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Course you gotta be careful lest you take too much damage and die

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 8:00 AM

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Pretty much berserk, yeah

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Then again, I don't see how it would be of any importance when a Spartan in MJOLNIR is still more powerful

feral perch Dec 5, 2018, 3:37 PM

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Oh hey, Reach did retcon Ghosts of Onyx didn't it?

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Halsey's first encounter with the Spartan-IIIs isn't on Onyx, but Reach (or earlier?)

severe elbow Dec 5, 2018, 3:38 PM

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They retconned that and that any Spartan-IIIs in Alpha or Beta Companies survived.

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They reconciled it by Halsey commenting on Noble Team in her journal, furious that Spartans exist without her involvement.

obsidian thistle Dec 5, 2018, 4:02 PM

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Granted Halsey did give up on the Class 2s of her project and it seems ONI still went ahead with them without her.

last anchor Dec 5, 2018, 4:58 PM

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She kinda shifted to other projects I think?

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 4:58 PM

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Salut

last anchor Dec 5, 2018, 4:58 PM

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I dont quite remember how it worked out.
~~And boy was she peeved about it XD~~

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 4:58 PM

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Y'a des francais dans le coin ??? thinkingchief

half goblet Dec 5, 2018, 5:45 PM

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thinkingchief

versed helm Dec 5, 2018, 5:50 PM

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H

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Halo 3 is life

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Halo 5 is bad

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The camapaign is was very very bad

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😭

gloomy condor Dec 5, 2018, 6:10 PM

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Halo 5 is better than 4. change my mind

feral perch Dec 5, 2018, 6:17 PM

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wrong

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Halo 3 is bland

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and its story is overrated

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and it was mistaken to use projectiles

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and the Cortana moments in campaign do nothing for story or gameplay

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The writing relied too heavily on death for emotional impact

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The color palette is also not very pretty in-game, but better in theater mode strangely

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This is somewhat off topic, but about the lore

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The terminals were a genuinely great addition

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I always rushed to try to read the first sections before they were corrupted

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Made it feel very intriguing

quiet dock Dec 5, 2018, 7:34 PM

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Halo 3’s level design is arguably the best in the series tho, while Halo 5’s is average

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As for the lore and concepts directly presented, Halo 5 has more even if its kinda badly presented

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Terminals are their own monster

digital wraith Dec 5, 2018, 7:36 PM

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In terms of storytelling I feel Halo 3 is a step down from Halo 2.

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It's more preoccupied about finishing the story than it is with characters.