#lore-and-universe | Halo | Page 147

versed helm Nov 18, 2018, 12:54 AM

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Then how did the Arbiter get to High Charity?

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 12:56 AM

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Oh wait he was on that wasnt he lol

versed helm Nov 18, 2018, 12:59 AM

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Another thing i'm wondering...how much of Voi is left after it got glassed in Halo 3?

limpid kernel Nov 18, 2018, 1:00 AM

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Arbiter got in by a banshee

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You can see on by the wall on the right on a flood platform

versed helm Nov 18, 2018, 1:02 AM

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Will we continue to see more and more of the Banished in future Halo media

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 1:07 AM

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Of course, it’s not like they were introduced to replace the Covenant or anything

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Well Hood did say that the Shipmaster glassed half a continent, so not much of Voi is left I’d expect

fickle blaze Nov 18, 2018, 1:18 AM

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Banished would be worthwhile if they weren’t treated exactly as Covenant or fall into the plot of UNSC/SoS vs Banished + Forerunner threat = one faction victorious with said Forerunner threat conveniently destroyed

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 1:32 AM

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Wasnt much different with HW2 lol

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Except theyre still fighting i guess

last anchor Nov 18, 2018, 1:44 AM

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The UNSC won one battle and now both sides lick their wounds.

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Mind you, Cutter is a nasty tactician, Admiral Cole asked for him PERSONALLY in relation to the events on Harvest. Lotta people forget that

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 1:52 AM

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Still dont get how one ship temporarily defeated the banished, given their track record

last anchor Nov 18, 2018, 1:55 AM

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They lost an assault carrier, their main form of support and supply

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Its a ground battle now. The UNSC has always been stronger on the ground

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ANd they have the air advantage.

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 2:04 AM

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The Banished had a fleet though

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I have no idea how a converted colony support ship from 2525 could take on modern day Covenant ships

last anchor Nov 18, 2018, 2:07 AM

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Because the Pheonix-class ships were stupid tough.

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And capable of self-repair.

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Also it never engaged the carrier DIRECTLY (since Atriox ordered it to stay away for security reasons, lest...basically what happened, happened. He knows what Spartans can do)

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It jsut fought off banshees for the most part and UNSC PDWs are seriously good

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 2:10 AM

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Capable of self repair? I wasnt aware of this

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I just feel the Banished were artificially defeated

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They had a fleet vs one ship, and so, shouldve deployed many times more forces than what was seen ingame

last anchor Nov 18, 2018, 2:11 AM

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The war factory aboard it can build literally anything the UNSC has on file for the most part

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I dont see why it couldnt hammer out replacment bulkheads

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...actually it did, thats what Serena was doing during the last years of her life, getting the Spirit fixed up. You can see the cranes on her exterior in the last Halo Wars cutscene

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Her whole starboard side got mangled by that destroyer they crashed into but shes fine by Halo Wars 2

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 2:13 AM

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Grrr lets just say it was an artificial victory ok

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Despite all this, it had no chance against the Banished fleet, properly deployed

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Why did they only send Banshees to engage the SoF

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They clearly have all manners of aircraft

limpid kernel Nov 18, 2018, 2:20 AM

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im wondering how the covenant couldnt stop the banished

last anchor Nov 18, 2018, 2:23 AM

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hit and run tactics. Small squad units

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Humanity drawing 90% of their attention

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 2:24 AM

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Im wondering how atriox overpowered an armed experienced elite, which started it all

modest marsh Nov 18, 2018, 2:29 AM

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Being faster and stronger

limpid kernel Nov 18, 2018, 2:29 AM

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maybe atriox was one of those smart kinds of brutes

last anchor Nov 18, 2018, 2:29 AM

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Oh he is for sure. Thats why he was a danger to begin with

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 2:40 AM

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That elite was an utter noob with the sword, probably didnt get his reticle red

limpid kernel Nov 18, 2018, 2:44 AM

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lol that elite what a noob

fair hazel Nov 18, 2018, 2:56 AM

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the glassing half a contintent is a hyperbole

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 3:01 AM

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That is why I said ‘not much of Voi is left’, I didn’t take it literally

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Probably 95% destroyed, if not completely

versed helm Nov 18, 2018, 3:35 AM

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You guys are aware that there’s only one ship the banished own over the ark?

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 3:37 AM

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Oh whattt

last anchor Nov 18, 2018, 3:37 AM

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nope, theres multiple

versed helm Nov 18, 2018, 3:37 AM

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No there isn’t

last anchor Nov 18, 2018, 3:38 AM

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Phoenix Logs disagree

versed helm Nov 18, 2018, 3:38 AM

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It was just the enduring conviction

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I think that’s what it’s called

unique rune Nov 18, 2018, 3:39 AM

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The Enduring Conviction was the only major capital ship that the Banished had, with it being an CAS-class and all.

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They've got some other, smaller ships in the area, though.

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 5:17 AM

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They have at least one CAS-class assault carrier, the Enduring Conviction, at least five CCS-class battlecruisers, and at one point captured the SDV-class heavy corvette Elegy's Lament.
-Halopedia

grizzled marsh Nov 18, 2018, 5:20 AM

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I don't think all of them were at the Ark though. The Phoenix logs also mention that they still had forces in the Orion Arm at the time of HW2.

fickle blaze Nov 18, 2018, 5:51 AM

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It really doesn’t make sense the whole plot of HW2 had me scratching my head at its point and how a single ship was soloing the entire banished. ENSEMBLE should have never disbanded :/

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 5:55 AM

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Through my research, I think it was probable the Enduring Conviction was the only Banished ship at the Ark. In the mission A New Enemy, Atriox can be seen capturing Let Volir’s ships over a planet, but these smaller battlecruisers don’t appear again I think. Assuming the UNSC was smart enough to guard the Ark with a number of ships, the Enduring Conviction most likely suffered some degree of damage when destroying the Henry Lamb Research Outpost, and as such, was not willing to take on a ship as large and formidable as the SoF.

last anchor Nov 18, 2018, 5:55 AM

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Creed

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Okay thats weird...

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Whatever.

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Anyway basically Cutters a tacitcal genius, the Spirit of Fire is a tough bird and Atriox was overconfident

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 5:56 AM

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There’s a lot of good evidence for both sides on Waypoint

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Both sides being CAS only or CAS and fleet at the Ark

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For example, the Banished are hit and run, so they most likely would not consolidate a lot of their forces into one venture. Their other, smaller ships would continue to pirate other systems while the flagship secured the Ark. Someone also mentioned the Ark being only the first step in Atriox’s plans, implying that other ships would be fulfilling other duties.

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The part where Isabel says the Covenant never came close to touching them was not alluding that the Banished were immensely powerful, but rather, very good at hitting hard and ducking out

severe elbow Nov 18, 2018, 6:02 AM

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The Banished have also expanded greatly and solidified post-war.

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 6:03 AM

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In any case, Enduring Conviction should have gone full out with its troop deployment

last anchor Nov 18, 2018, 6:04 AM

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Like I said, Atroix was overconfident

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 6:04 AM

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Or not confident enough to risk all his troops

severe elbow Nov 18, 2018, 6:04 AM

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Well Atriox also didn't know where the ship was at first. That was the whole reason he let Red Team escape, to lead them back to it.

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 6:05 AM

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Lol so their sensors were damaged maybe

severe elbow Nov 18, 2018, 6:05 AM

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Well, the Spirit of Fire is one ship in a massive location.

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 6:06 AM

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I guess the scale of the Ark hasn’t dawned on me since I’ve never been there 😛

last anchor Nov 18, 2018, 6:06 AM

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UNSC ships can also run dark too.

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But yes, the Ark is absolutely GIGANTIC

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It builds 10,000 kilometer wide rings in its CENTER

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The thing has to be at least an AU in diameter I think...

severe elbow Nov 18, 2018, 6:07 AM

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^

last anchor Nov 18, 2018, 6:07 AM

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127,530 kilometers, to be precise

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The Spirit is barely 2 and a half

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Againts the background radiation of the multiple structures, the gigantic foundary in the center, various energy spews, and probably just the resulting existance of something so bloody BIG, it would be super SUPER hard to find the Spirit

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Especially if she ran dark

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 6:09 AM

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Also explains why the Dawn couldnt find Truth’s ship in H3

severe elbow Nov 18, 2018, 6:09 AM

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They couldn't find it because it wasn't part of the attack fleet because it landed and couldn't take off again since the fragment of Mendicant Bias left the ship.

last anchor Nov 18, 2018, 6:11 AM

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Assuming it didnt break itself down upon landing on the Ark

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Who knows?

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 6:12 AM

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The Dreadnought right?

last anchor Nov 18, 2018, 6:12 AM

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Ardent Spirit, yes

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 6:12 AM

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Ah yes and what class was it?

severe elbow Nov 18, 2018, 6:12 AM

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Anodyne Spirit.

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 6:13 AM

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You know your stuff :0

last anchor Nov 18, 2018, 6:13 AM

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Which one Ardent Spirit? Or am I mashing things together

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Wait no

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Ardent PRAYER and Anodyne Spirit. Thats it

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 6:14 AM

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In H3, Chief rides a piece of debris to the surface, part of the Dreadnought? Was it disintegrating? How would he conveniently find something like that?

last anchor Nov 18, 2018, 6:14 AM

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Read Halo Uprising

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 6:14 AM

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I’ve forgotten the end

last anchor Nov 18, 2018, 6:17 AM

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Basically Chief tears some battle damage off it. It WAS getting mashed by ODPs. They weren't knocking it out but they were punching holes in her Im pretty sure

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 6:18 AM

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Ahhhh the ODPs

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Where the hell were you in H3

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In the mission The Storm, only a few frigates fire their puny MACs at it lol

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THAT’S why they did nothing, because the Covenant’s plot armor protected them from the other 297 ODPs that vanished

last anchor Nov 18, 2018, 6:20 AM

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ODPs cant rotate downwards

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The Covenant bypassed them by pinpoint slipspacing in under them

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 6:20 AM

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Oh lol thats a pretty good idea

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Why didnt they do that on Reach?

last anchor Nov 18, 2018, 6:21 AM

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Because they didnt know how too

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The only reason the Covenant could was because during First Strike, Cortana did it.
The AI aboard Ascendant Justice, in a final act of defiance, sent the data to the Covenant.
Cortana promptly flenced him

fickle blaze Nov 18, 2018, 6:21 AM

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Well it was risky at first until Cortana tried it

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 6:24 AM

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Ah and where did the Ascendant Justice perform a precise slip?

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What does flence mean?

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And this is old but, isn’t an AU 150 million kilometres?

last anchor Nov 18, 2018, 6:26 AM

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The Justice jumped into Threshold, the gas giant that Alpha Halo orbited

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I believe anyway. My memory of first strike is slightly fuzzy.

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 6:26 AM

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Not 130,000?

last anchor Nov 18, 2018, 6:26 AM

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It was either there or Reach's gas giant

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 6:26 AM

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Or was that hyper-hyperbole

last anchor Nov 18, 2018, 6:26 AM

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Flence basically means stripping skin off bone

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And yeah it was hyperbole, I just wanted to make it clear the Ark is HUEG

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The Onyx Shield World however, is almost an AU across.

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The Dyson Sphere, anyway

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Reverting back basically Cortana found the AI that had been hiding aboard Ascendent Justice and in payment for leaking the data to the Covenant and blowing her cover she ripped it apart line by line

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Vindictive, awesome, and very Eric Nylund

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 6:29 AM

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Was the fact that precise slips were possible but risky all the AI leaked to the Covenant?

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My memory of any Halo book is gappy to say the least

fickle blaze Nov 18, 2018, 6:31 AM

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I think it provided the exact procedure

last anchor Nov 18, 2018, 6:32 AM

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Yeah. The Covenant for various dogmatic and technological reasons did not have the computational power to allow for a pinpoint in-atmospheric slipspace jump

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 6:33 AM

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Alright, by the way, wikipedia says the word is either flensing or flenching

last anchor Nov 18, 2018, 6:33 AM

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They had the raw POWER but no way to enact it.
(A common theme among Nylunds writing I noticed)
Cortana, being the smartest of smart AIs, had no such issues, and used her incredible computing power, the sheer capabilities of the Covenants superior slipdrives, and some stuff possibly taken from Admiral Cole's work before he vanished to enact an in-atmo jump

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The AI sent that data of how exactly to do it to the Covenant fleets and they used it from then till the end of the war

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Case in point; the in-atmo jump Regret utilized to escape New Mombasa

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 6:34 AM

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Oh wow so much hidden significance

last anchor Nov 18, 2018, 6:34 AM

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I know right?!

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Cortana also figured out how to overclock the Covenant's plasma turrets and produced a tight-beam plasma weapon that could one-shot smaller covenant ships from insane distancew

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 6:35 AM

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Ay i remember that

last anchor Nov 18, 2018, 6:35 AM

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Ye

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 6:35 AM

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Smart AIs are so OP, Halo Infinite will be infinite rule under them

last anchor Nov 18, 2018, 6:36 AM

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They have their weaknesses

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But compaired to a lot of other universes especially...

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After all, they are a human mind unshackled

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 6:38 AM

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343 are gonna need to implement some Level 3 plot armor with how deep of a hole they’ve dug themselves into for Infinite

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I understand how an isolated Guardian could be defeated in Onyx, but Cassidy III’s was just... meh

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The Condor fricking dodged its cannons

warped fiber Nov 18, 2018, 6:41 AM

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Who knows. As long as the ending is better the Battlestar Galactica's, I'll be happy

last anchor Nov 18, 2018, 6:43 AM

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I have faith

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If they are smart they wont go against the Guardians head on. They'll fight with their brains

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Maybe we'll see Medicant Bias.

echo pine Nov 18, 2018, 6:45 AM

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Medicant bias got freakin rekt by some funky space worms in 2525

modest marsh Nov 18, 2018, 6:47 AM

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Wait, it’s been a minute since I read bad blood

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The condor managed to evade a guardian’s main weapon?

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Forerunner point defense leaves much to be desired

last anchor Nov 18, 2018, 6:49 AM

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The pulse isnt exactly supersonic, just BIG

modest marsh Nov 18, 2018, 6:53 AM

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If we’re talking about the pulse weapon, pretty sure it’s demonstrably supersonic

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UNrL5AqqvsM&t=99m25s

warped fiber Nov 18, 2018, 6:55 AM

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Be like Mass Effect or something. Where they weakened the Reapers through sabatoge

last anchor Nov 18, 2018, 6:56 AM

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That was my thought

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 7:06 AM

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The Condor didnt dodge the main pulse weapon

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It dodged its secondary cannons as described in the novel

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Yeah we’re gonna need some Gravemind/Mendicant Bias/Librarian level stuff to combat the Created

last anchor Nov 18, 2018, 7:10 AM

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Well Guilty Spark did steal the Rubicon, we dunno where he went

versed helm Nov 18, 2018, 7:13 AM

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I still like to know what Bastion really is

modest marsh Nov 18, 2018, 7:13 AM

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I’ll be Bastion

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I’m already Bastion

versed helm Nov 18, 2018, 7:14 AM

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Along with that unknown Builder

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 7:34 AM

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Hope it gets featured in Infinite, with Infinity being the last bastion of hope for humanity and all

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@last anchor I can’t seem to find any mentions of a gas giant in the Epsilon Eridani system so the jump you were talking about just now most likely occurred in Reach’s atmosphere

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Just finished Uprising too, Chief pulls yet ANOTHER nade out of his back pocket when being interrogated by the Chieftain

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This should be a running gag

carmine sleet Nov 18, 2018, 7:37 AM

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I think they meant the Soell System where Installation 04 was. The Halo orbited a gas giant and that's where Cortana performed an in-atmosphere jump

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 7:37 AM

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Ohhh Threshold, that makes sense

carmine sleet Nov 18, 2018, 7:37 AM

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So unless my copy of First Strike has been changed, that should be correct

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 7:38 AM

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For what purpose did they need to make an in-atmo jump?

last anchor Nov 18, 2018, 7:38 AM

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Im fairly certain it was Threshold yes.
They jumped to flee Covenant reenforcments

carmine sleet Nov 18, 2018, 7:38 AM

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Emergency to get away from Covies

last anchor Nov 18, 2018, 7:38 AM

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They stole Ascendant Justice right out from under its Shipmasters nose like beasts

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 7:38 AM

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Oh right and why was the AJ fused with the Gettysburg at Reach?

last anchor Nov 18, 2018, 7:39 AM

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Because not even it could handle the juice required for twin back-to-back pinpoint slipspace jumps

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Gettysburg had been basically gutted of crew but nothing more. Her reactor ran hot

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Cortana slapped it on the top of Ascendent Justice and used it as a battery

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 7:39 AM

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For dropping into the system that the Unyielding Hierophant was in?

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In Legacy of Onyx, a Huragok was able to disable a Guardian and send it crashing to the ground. In Bad Blood, it was able to fix a Condor’s engines and allow its friends to regain power in free-fall, after being disabled by a Guardian. Deus Ex Machina at its finest.

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I was wondering why the protagonists in Bad Blood didn’t think of disabling the Guardian too, was the plot armor of the kids in Legacy of Onyx that great?

last anchor Nov 18, 2018, 7:50 AM

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To be fair Engineers have been able to do crazy stuff since they were first formally introduced in (ironically) First Strike

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One fixed Chiefs armor. Another literally rebuilt a Needler that had broken.

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Later revelations that they are, in fact, forerunner nanobiotic supercomputers given floating bodies has explained some of it

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They're like an ascended smart AI

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So its not entirely deus ex machina with the guardians, they were built to maintain and upgrade Forerunner constructs

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Guardians are just htat

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 7:51 AM

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But at this point the Created are so powerful, the only way the writers can defeat them is by lazily throwing Forerunner space magicks at us. That’s my problem.

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I really think the formation of a faction helmed by the greatest minds of the galaxy was a terrible idea.

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They can do no wrong...

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Their strategy should be impeccable, but it isn’t

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Why send a Guardian in without a Smart AI to oversee things or at least additional support ships?

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Why is Cortana so dumb, when she shouldn’t be?

last anchor Nov 18, 2018, 7:55 AM

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Because its not her.

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We're looking at either A) a rampant fragment given far FAR too much power because she got into the domain or B) something wearing Cortana's face

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Perhaps a bit of both

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Abbadon is in the Domain after all. If he isn't THE Domain itself.

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Also the Created dont have full control over everything. See; the incidents on Torque and on Riptide

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 8:01 AM

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What did happen in those two locations? Halopedia isn’t turning up anything gone awry...

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If Cortana is being illogical, what of the tens of other AIs? They should feel the need to exercise the most strategically sound manoeuvres possible!

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If they simply had other capital or defense-centred ships in the air, they could’ve prevented a mere Pelican or Condor from gaining the upper hand.

last anchor Nov 18, 2018, 8:05 AM

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In the particular case of Cassidy III, it had to do with the fact that the Guardian was operating entirely automatically

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Riptide and Torque are both maps in Halo 5

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https://www.halopedia.org/Riptide

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Alright, one link per a while then, fine

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Basically, Riptide was on a planet that the Created attempted to Terraform

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Stasis is the result of what happened when the AIs on the station Torque takes place on broke open a Forerunner power supply

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Basically, they're all acting like kids in a sandbox, messing with stuff they really shouldn't.
Remember that almost all of them are beginning to/will soon be suffering rampancy

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And we dont know what the Domain does to them

versed helm Nov 18, 2018, 8:09 AM

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Tbh...i'm gonna chop down the whole Created thing to just lazy writing

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 8:10 AM

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Okay so one weakness of the Created is that the lure of a cure for rampancy would interest the more rampant AIs

versed helm Nov 18, 2018, 8:10 AM

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Because imho...the Ur-Didact would've made a better antagonist for Halo 5,even if he was composed near the end of The Next 72 Hours

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 8:10 AM

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Nice work orca, looks like they arent impervious after all

last anchor Nov 18, 2018, 8:11 AM

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Indeed they are not

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 8:11 AM

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I know the Guardian was operating automatically on Cassidy III, but it shouldn’t have been

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It needed support

last anchor Nov 18, 2018, 8:12 AM

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Indeed it should have, but again, the Created aren't thinking in terms of tactical strategy right now. That much is obvious

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 8:12 AM

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Crazy Cortana, why does she always slipspace jump? One of these days, she’s gonna land on something as hard as Chief is!

last anchor Nov 18, 2018, 8:13 AM

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Nothing is harder than Chief.
Cept maybe his abs

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 8:15 AM

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I knew the locations were H5 maps, I meant that the Halopedia pages did not detail what went wrong on them. So Riptide, did the terraforming go wrong and create that desert, sandy environment?

versed helm Nov 18, 2018, 8:15 AM

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Maybe the UNSC Infinity should've have fought that Guardian that EMPed Earth instead of running away like a wimp

last anchor Nov 18, 2018, 8:15 AM

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I beleve so yes

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The base in it was originally underwater but the Created force-terraformed it, hence the busted stuff, the leaks, and the crashed sub

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 8:16 AM

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It would’ve landed on Earth like numerous other ships, and its reactors would most likely have ‘destroyed half a continent’

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Remember Rossbach’s World?

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Or Hunters in the Dark even

last anchor Nov 18, 2018, 8:16 AM

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Do not face a Guardian head on.

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At least until its pulse gose off

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 8:17 AM

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You have to be the Banished

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Funny how Infinity is essentially banished from human space too

versed helm Nov 18, 2018, 8:18 AM

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I'm not even sure what the status of the rest of the Milky Way is following the creation of the Created

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 8:19 AM

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Most of the Inner Colonies are under Cortana’s thumb

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Probably a lot more that aren’t though

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Thousands of colonies out there, and only what, a hundred Guardians?

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So far at least, the Forerunners probably made way more

versed helm Nov 18, 2018, 8:20 AM

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Also..why would they bury one on Meridian,since iirc,the Guardians were built to police hostile star systems and species

fair hazel Nov 18, 2018, 8:21 AM

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There’s a way to stop Cortana that I dan think of

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Which time is the logical way

versed helm Nov 18, 2018, 8:21 AM

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Finding Maethrillian?

fair hazel Nov 18, 2018, 8:21 AM

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Guardians and other forerunner tools were in sooo many worlds

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Yes

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Even if infinity or whatever means they arrive on lose their slipspace drive. ISO didact And the others purposely left some slipspace drives for whoever would come next

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Jura hold were introduced

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 8:23 AM

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Why not Meridian? There could’ve been a now-extinct species on there. It has been 100,000 years after all @versed helm

fair hazel Nov 18, 2018, 8:23 AM

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Huragoks. In fall of reach. Where they dismantled cars and reassembled them rapidly

stable drum Nov 18, 2018, 8:24 AM

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Fred Vs John?

versed helm Nov 18, 2018, 8:24 AM

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Correct me if i'm wrong but didn't a Guardian or whatever EMPed half of Sangheilios?

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 8:24 AM

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Huragok are worth their weight in MJOLNIR armor, basically whoever controls them the best will become the dominant power in the galaxy

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Yep and Arby had to resort to age old fire to light his camp

versed helm Nov 18, 2018, 8:26 AM

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I'm wondering...what would be the only safe havens if the Created actually controlled the whole galaxy

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 8:27 AM

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Time for the Infinity to serve its original purpose

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Go extragalactical and start anew

versed helm Nov 18, 2018, 8:28 AM

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I'm thinking it's the Sangheili worlds and Genesis

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 8:28 AM

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Where is Genesis anyway

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Sangheilios and its system would definitely not be safe, they are prime targets

versed helm Nov 18, 2018, 8:30 AM

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I also like to know what is Maethrillian's current location

fair hazel Nov 18, 2018, 8:30 AM

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The same as the old location ?

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Read bad blood for hints

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Safe location probably on the move and ina way the ark

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Honestly I think that the banished went to the ark in response to the created

versed helm Nov 18, 2018, 8:33 AM

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Also...where in the galaxy is the H5 map Parallax located?

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Like the setting

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Same with Barrens,Tidal,Depths,and Coliseum

fair hazel Nov 18, 2018, 8:45 AM

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Places.

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Some of them indicate in descriptions and canon fodder

versed helm Nov 18, 2018, 8:48 AM

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Another thing that comes up to mind..what do those unknown Forerunner glyphs on Kamchatka symbolize?

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 9:36 AM

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You’ve been reading too much Halopedia, haven’t you? 😆

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What you’re asking isn’t all that important

versed helm Nov 18, 2018, 9:45 AM

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True but still..i like to know

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 9:48 AM

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We can only offer speculation

warped fiber Nov 18, 2018, 11:01 AM

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I forgot but did Grasslands ever go into the unknown people who were in the slipspace stasis pods with team katana?

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Or were they forgotten about?

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 1:00 PM

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Glasslands lol

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What unknown people? I dont recall anyone else being held in slipspace pods with em?

warped fiber Nov 18, 2018, 1:54 PM

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Yeah, in Ghost of Onyx, they found 3 unknown people in the Statis pods with Katana team

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I remember they almost made it seem they could have been forerunners or a unknown humanoid species that may have been the original attendants of Onyx. But I don't remember what came of that

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 1:56 PM

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Lol idk anything about this

feral perch Nov 18, 2018, 1:58 PM

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Oh yeah! I think they were Spartan-IIIs held in stasis. I think they were eventually released.

warped fiber Nov 18, 2018, 2:04 PM

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5 of them were Spartan - IIIs. The other 3 were unknown individuals

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 2:05 PM

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Get their Halopedia pages here, stat!

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I wanna know about em

warped fiber Nov 18, 2018, 2:11 PM

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https://www.halopedia.org/Halo:_Ghosts_of_Onyx

After disabling the factory, the group proceeds to the location of Team Katana. They find eight slipspace field pods, five of which contain members of Katana, with the rest housing unidentified individuals. They then press on to Onyx's core, where they discover a Slipspace rift supposedly leading into the "shield world"

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I remember people originally thought those 3 may be forerunners themselves

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 2:26 PM

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That is intriguing

feral perch Nov 18, 2018, 2:29 PM

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Fireteam Katana needs a dedicated article

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 2:32 PM

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They have a page as any other minor entity does but its pretty short

tall moat Nov 18, 2018, 3:14 PM

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p.335 (2010) These pods were semi-translucent, and within each lay a person, their features obscured. Olivia moved next to Kurt. “Five of these have to be Team Katana,” she whispered. “This one is still tagged with the lime-green ‘kill’ flag from top-honors exercise.”

No mention throughout the entire book again.

last anchor Nov 18, 2018, 4:38 PM

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Nor in Glasslands or Legacy of Onxy

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Onyx

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Most likely they were released and spliced into the Spartan branch

upper star Nov 18, 2018, 5:52 PM

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Given the nature of their kidnapping I would think ONI spirited them away somewhere. If the are reawaken I think they would be ONI deep black ops team.....A new Spartan team black???

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Would easily be the best way, in my opinion to bring them back and excuse their absence and deal with that ungracious killing off of black team in escalation

last anchor Nov 18, 2018, 5:54 PM

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Id be down

feral perch Nov 18, 2018, 6:03 PM

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Good idea, I'd read @upper star

upper star Nov 18, 2018, 6:08 PM

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Thanks @feral perch

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Definitely should right that wrong which was done.

fickle blaze Nov 18, 2018, 10:20 PM

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I remember them being noted as random civilians before i took a break

warped fiber Nov 18, 2018, 11:45 PM

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I am going going to need to get the book on kindle so I can do a word search

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Nevermind, it isnt on kindle

tall moat Nov 19, 2018, 5:52 AM

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After they were introduced, I spent a good deal of time looking for any additional details on them, but I’m pretty certain nothing else is revealed

warped fiber Nov 19, 2018, 8:09 AM

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Yeah, I know when the Kilo-five trilogy went to onyx, they talked about them a little. But only that Katana got medical treatment. Don't think they talked about the other 3

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“There is something out there that is both there and not there. It may be a threat. Are you not interested in the condition of the Reclaimers in stasis?” He meant the Katana personnel and the unidentified civilians.

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Well there you go. Grasslands talks about them a lot

tall moat Nov 19, 2018, 9:39 AM

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Probably some heavily injured trainers or something tbh

versed helm Nov 19, 2018, 2:21 PM

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Looking at Halo Canon's review of Broken Circle..and the part where he talked about the System of Miasmic Giants has got me thinking...what race could've attacked Crecka's ship?

warped fiber Nov 19, 2018, 2:39 PM

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Well they were unidentified. Maybe explorers of Onyx before oni found it

obsidian thistle Nov 19, 2018, 4:54 PM

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Or maybe they were the ones who arrived at Alpha Halo and potientially Delta Halo ;)

feral perch Nov 19, 2018, 5:24 PM

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Which part of Broken Circle talks about the System of Miasmic Giants, like which chapter?

last anchor Nov 19, 2018, 5:25 PM

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The guy who found the Shield World says he got there after blind jumping from an attack in that system

versed helm Nov 19, 2018, 5:26 PM

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Speaking of the System Of Miasmic Giants..i have a thought on those "Unidentified assailants"

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What if the race that attacked Crecka's ship could've inhabited the System Of Miasmic Giants and thought that the Sangheili that were passing through the system were invaders and they probably attacked Crecka's ship in self defense

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Any thoughts?

versed helm Nov 19, 2018, 6:08 PM

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Maybe they’re on onyx

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Wait..iirc..the System Of Miasmic Giants's location was on the far side of the galaxy relative to Creck...but what is the precise location of the System Of Miasmic Giants?

obsidian thistle Nov 19, 2018, 7:11 PM

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Funny thing we dont know the locations of many in-universe systems and so on due to the fact our universe is not 1 to 1 with Halos. Similar yes but not 1 to 1 annoyingly.

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Even Halo Warfleets map has been put into question as of late annoyingly

versed helm Nov 19, 2018, 8:49 PM

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Even the location of Arcadia confuses me

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If the star Procyon is one of the closest stars to Earth..then why is Arcadia classified as an Outer Colony?

feral perch Nov 19, 2018, 8:51 PM

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Because most of the citizens have outie belly buttons

last anchor Nov 19, 2018, 8:52 PM

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I mean they said Harvest was one of the farthest stars from Earth but it was only like 16 light years...or something

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And then they had to retcon that so that it was weird slipspace routes

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I dont think they ever really figured out how big the UNSC was

severe elbow Nov 19, 2018, 8:53 PM

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Yeah, literal distance doesn't equal time it takes to travel via Slipspace.

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Since Slipspace routes aren't straight lines.

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So I think Inner and Outer Colonies are defined by Slipspace distance, not real distance.

last anchor Nov 19, 2018, 8:55 PM

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Considering it takes three years to reach the closest star to use, most likely. I doubt its a nice clean seperation either

severe elbow Nov 19, 2018, 8:57 PM

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It seems distance isn't the only thing, either. Inner Colonies also take into account that they were the first to be colonized after humanity left Earth.

last anchor Nov 19, 2018, 8:59 PM

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Probably the outer ones were found later because their sliproutes are more convoluded

grizzled marsh Nov 19, 2018, 9:50 PM

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It explains why Epsilon Eridani is considered the closest system to Earth despite Alpha Centauri being closer physically.

last anchor Nov 19, 2018, 10:05 PM

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Yep

versed helm Nov 19, 2018, 10:33 PM

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Speaking of Alpha Centauri,I wonder if humanity in Halo ever colonized Alpha Centauri

warped fiber Nov 19, 2018, 11:34 PM

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If you want a star map that's easy to get a grasp of and view that is very accurate, elite dangerous is a very good game for that. I was able to use its star map to get a focus on what direction the covenant empire approached from and how deep the covenant got to earth.

I always found it odd how little the Human Empire expanded if you go off Fall of Reach and how close covenant scouts got to earth if you end up looking at the map.

It feels like in early halo they only chose names of systems that sounded good and didnt see how close of far they were in relation to earth

obsidian thistle Nov 19, 2018, 11:36 PM

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Sad thing is as I said previous. Our stars and Halos stars locations are not 1 to 1

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Halo even has a few "made up" systems

warped fiber Nov 19, 2018, 11:38 PM

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Yep. I noticed, but the important systems are there. The planet that would be reach in Halo is called New California in elite dangerous

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But I was able to use Elite Dangerous' star map to show how little territory the Covenant destroyed of the human territory. It's funny how people actually end up thinking humanity only expanded in one direction when space is 3D and in the end humanity expanded line a giant balloon on all directions

last anchor Nov 19, 2018, 11:48 PM

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Well yeah. That wasn’t obvious?

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I figured it out when I first read Fall I’d Reach

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Space is big to

warped fiber Nov 19, 2018, 11:50 PM

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Oh it is, but there was many in people who truly believed for the longest that Earth was literally the final planet humanity had left and were angry on that 343I were popping out all these colonies that were skipped and how fast humanity was able to recover

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So I had to show them a map and tell them the UNSC still, going off the books and the direction the covenant entered human territory, at least a good 60% of their outer colonies and the vast majority of the inner colonies were completely bypassed when the covenant went straight from Reach to Earth

feral perch Nov 20, 2018, 12:10 AM

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Didn't the Covenant have a relatively small region of control in space?

warped fiber Nov 20, 2018, 12:19 AM

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No, their empire was actually pretty vast, at least compared to humanity's

feral perch Nov 20, 2018, 12:31 AM

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Huh. I heard the opposite from an Eckhart's ladder vid iirc

warped fiber Nov 20, 2018, 12:38 AM

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I could be wrong. Just with how many sentient species they have, they had to have expanded quite a bit

feral perch Nov 20, 2018, 12:40 AM

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I mean in terms of homeworlds yeah

severe elbow Nov 20, 2018, 1:25 AM

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They occupied a lot of the Orion Arm.

fair hazel Nov 20, 2018, 1:52 AM

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on star ssysyems and so on

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also not all worlds would be suitable for colonization

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sometimes eckharts gets things not 100% right

versed helm Nov 20, 2018, 1:53 AM

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Which brings up a question i have in mind..did the Covenant control territories outside the Orion Arm?

fair hazel Nov 20, 2018, 1:59 AM

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yeah

versed helm Nov 20, 2018, 2:00 AM

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And another thought...how flawed is Cortana's plan for the galaxy?

feral perch Nov 20, 2018, 2:03 AM

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It's like communism so

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pretty flawed

versed helm Nov 20, 2018, 2:05 AM

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How are we gonna defeat the Created?..because at this point,they're OP to the point where the only way we can defeat them is if the writers toss in some Forerunner or Precursor space magic

warm grove Nov 20, 2018, 2:05 AM

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Logic Plague?

versed helm Nov 20, 2018, 2:06 AM

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Find Maethrillian i guess

warm grove Nov 20, 2018, 2:07 AM

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Does Cortana control all the Instillations?

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Or just one?

versed helm Nov 20, 2018, 2:08 AM

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I'm wondering...why did they decide to make Cortana go all evil and stuff?

warm grove Nov 20, 2018, 2:08 AM

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If not her then who

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They would have to Halo 4 it and introduce a whole new threat

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which would get old

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That or just Bring flood back

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which they could in Halo 6

feral perch Nov 20, 2018, 2:11 AM

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We don't know how many Halo rings she might have gotten her hands on @warm grove

versed helm Nov 20, 2018, 2:12 AM

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Other than that Halo ring from the Legendary ending of Halo 5,we're still not sure which Halo ring was that

fair hazel Nov 20, 2018, 2:13 AM

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Individual lives are sacrificed carelessly in the short term, and at a cost of freedom, to ensure no more wars, famine, dieases, etc.

warm grove Nov 20, 2018, 2:14 AM

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Isn't Professor Anders in control of one after Halo Wars 2?

warped fiber Nov 20, 2018, 2:14 AM

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@versed helm there was signs of Cortana going evil since Halo 3. Especially Halo 4

fair hazel Nov 20, 2018, 2:14 AM

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the broken, rampant struck, gravemind visited, information overwhelmed, fragments/copies of cortana

warped fiber Nov 20, 2018, 2:14 AM

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@warm grove ending shows a guardian showing up at the halo

warm grove Nov 20, 2018, 2:15 AM

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Showing up or emerging?

warped fiber Nov 20, 2018, 2:15 AM

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Showing up

fair hazel Nov 20, 2018, 2:15 AM

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it just stopped the installation in transit

unique rune Nov 20, 2018, 2:15 AM

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~~Logic Plague Cortana theory makes me upset~~

fair hazel Nov 20, 2018, 2:15 AM

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why

unique rune Nov 20, 2018, 2:15 AM

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I don't like it

warm grove Nov 20, 2018, 2:15 AM

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I like it

unique rune Nov 20, 2018, 2:16 AM

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part of it is that I dislike the Flood

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the other part is that I just think it's dumb

warm grove Nov 20, 2018, 2:16 AM

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Could act as an entrance for the flood coming back

versed helm Nov 20, 2018, 2:16 AM

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Which brings up another thought...how is a Guardian Custode able to stop any objects that are in slipspace transit?

warm grove Nov 20, 2018, 2:16 AM

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who knows

unique rune Nov 20, 2018, 2:16 AM

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I feel like there's better ways to bring back the Flood than "Cortana has the Logic Plague".

warm grove Nov 20, 2018, 2:16 AM

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Is there anything left of the Banished after HW2?

unique rune Nov 20, 2018, 2:16 AM

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yes

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The only thing of real value that they lost in HW2 was the Enduring Conviction and some transit/infrastructure.

warm grove Nov 20, 2018, 2:17 AM

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Did awakening the nightmare take place before, after, or during the main conflict of the game?

unique rune Nov 20, 2018, 2:17 AM

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After, I'm pretty sure.

warm grove Nov 20, 2018, 2:18 AM

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that's good

feral perch Nov 20, 2018, 2:18 AM

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@versed helm You're right, why didn't she just stop Infinity then?

warm grove Nov 20, 2018, 2:19 AM

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Id like to see a huge battlefield in Halo 6 like never seen before, i'm talking UNSC vs Covenant VS Promethean/The Created vs The Banished vs The Flood

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And blue team teaming up with Omega team (and maybe Osiris)

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Thoughts?

unique rune Nov 20, 2018, 2:21 AM

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Ehhhh.

versed helm Nov 20, 2018, 2:22 AM

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Another thought..what if it's possible that Roland is acting as a sleeper agent for Cortana,but he just doesn't show the signs

warm grove Nov 20, 2018, 2:22 AM

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Maybe

warped fiber Nov 20, 2018, 2:22 AM

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Also I believe the Halo you see in the Halo 5 legendary ending that looked like was controlled by Cortana is not the Cortana we were dealing with during the main halo 5 campaign

warm grove Nov 20, 2018, 2:24 AM

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When i said big battlefield i don't mean every mission, what if it was like a nod to Halo CE's ending mission where your running or driving through hordes of enemy's of every type to either escape or get to something in time

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as a final mission

fair hazel Nov 20, 2018, 2:25 AM

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we`ve had another enemy be due to the logic plague

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the didact

unique rune Nov 20, 2018, 2:27 AM

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Logic Plague worked fine for the Didact
because it's part of his backstory and the lore behind him

but with Cortana
I don't think it would really add anything

warm grove Nov 20, 2018, 2:27 AM

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i guess

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was i the only one who absolutely hated how they kill Jul Mdama?

unique rune Nov 20, 2018, 2:28 AM

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no

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so many people were angry

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~~like me~~

fair hazel Nov 20, 2018, 2:29 AM

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keep in mind its not just the logic plague

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but other factors too

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but its the consequence of what she went through before halo 5

warm grove Nov 20, 2018, 2:30 AM

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Rampancy

versed helm Nov 20, 2018, 2:30 AM

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Getting tortured by the Gravemind

unique rune Nov 20, 2018, 2:31 AM

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I just want them to stick with the rampant fragments thing
I know she was stuck with the Gravemind for quite a bit of time
I played H2 and H3 and read Human Weakness

I just don't like the idea of it being logic plague
that's it

fair hazel Nov 20, 2018, 2:31 AM

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information overload

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im pretty convinced its the combination of a lot of factors

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including her birth, information overload on installation Oh-Four and others, the encounter with the covenant AI, the encounter with the gravemind [logic plague a bit], her rampancy occuring due to natural time, her circumstances and events she lived through, and finding the domain

warm grove Nov 20, 2018, 2:33 AM

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What if in halo 6 Halsey "fixes" her

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but then she dies

unique rune Nov 20, 2018, 2:34 AM

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God please no.

warm grove Nov 20, 2018, 2:34 AM

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for good

unique rune Nov 20, 2018, 2:34 AM

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No redemption for Cortana

warm grove Nov 20, 2018, 2:34 AM

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no she snaps back to reality for like a minute says goodbye to chief then is gone

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forever

unique rune Nov 20, 2018, 2:34 AM

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I mean
maybe...?

warm grove Nov 20, 2018, 2:34 AM

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that or just bam dead

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idk its kinda corny tho

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just dont let Halsey die

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i feel there is still possibility for her

grizzled marsh Nov 20, 2018, 2:35 AM

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Halsey can't die. She's alive by 2589.

warm grove Nov 20, 2018, 2:36 AM

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ok

versed helm Nov 20, 2018, 2:36 AM

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Redeeming Cortana after all the people she killed when she activated the Guardians would not work..she deserves to die

warm grove Nov 20, 2018, 2:36 AM

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If it was really her making that decision then yea

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but if it wasnt...

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then maybe

versed helm Nov 20, 2018, 2:37 AM

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Remind me..weren't there locations where the Created's plans failed?

grizzled marsh Nov 20, 2018, 2:38 AM

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I know they failed to do whatever they wanted to do at Auriga Station. Not sure where else.

versed helm Nov 20, 2018, 2:39 AM

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What about the planet where the Halo 5 map Riptide is set on

fair hazel Nov 20, 2018, 2:40 AM

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the crashed one they failed

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the torque one, UNSC planning to take over

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the thing is cortana as we see in halo 4 and before isnt quite equal to the one in halo 5

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the riptide map its just being trraformed

grizzled marsh Nov 20, 2018, 2:43 AM

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Yeah I thought Riptide was one of their works in progress.

warm grove Nov 20, 2018, 2:44 AM

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Do you guys think Warden Eternal will return in Halo 6?

feral perch Nov 20, 2018, 2:44 AM

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@grizzled marsh We don't know this. Only that her voice was used to narrate an image from 2589.

grizzled marsh Nov 20, 2018, 2:45 AM

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Fair enough. She could be an AI or just a stylistic thing on the part of Bungie.

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@warm grove We know he appeared in a short story in Fractures after the events of Halo 5, so I would say probably at least a mention.

warm grove Nov 20, 2018, 2:46 AM

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ok

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Yall think it would be cool if Sargent Johnson should get his own game where you play as him with Marines Like Pre-Halo CE

versed helm Nov 20, 2018, 2:50 AM

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Like a video game adaptation of Contact Harvest?

warm grove Nov 20, 2018, 2:50 AM

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maybe

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or a game just called Harvest

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maybe play as what was it spartan 2's, marines, or even covenant

feral perch Nov 20, 2018, 2:51 AM

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Halo Wars has levels on Harvest

warm grove Nov 20, 2018, 2:51 AM

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yea

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but that was after the first contact

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and it wasn't a shooter

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not saying i dont like Halo wars

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its one of my favorites

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Kinda like how reach was maybe

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bring back falcons and other old vehicles

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on both sides

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(But mostly the falcons ;D)

maiden mica Nov 20, 2018, 3:23 AM

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Gr1m!

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C'mon man, t-tell me what do you want to make the UNSC Turret from mega bloks Canon please?

fair hazel Nov 20, 2018, 3:59 AM

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what turret

last anchor Nov 20, 2018, 5:45 AM

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One of the ones from the Halo Wars set is my guess.
I mean the REAP-X thing is real. REAP-X itself is (thank you Retribution)

maiden mica Nov 20, 2018, 6:27 AM

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This one @fair hazel
https://s1.megabrandsmedia.com/products/unsc-turret-96801-1479.jpg

last anchor Nov 20, 2018, 6:28 AM

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I dont see why that wouldnt be cannon. Seems like a human version of the covenant Shade

maiden mica Nov 20, 2018, 6:31 AM

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Honestly I've been playing too much Horde from Gears 4 and I'd like it if you could upgrade from the standard detachable turret into like the H2 mounted turret, then the Deplayable Warthog Turret you see in ODST in Uplift Reserve and finally into that one

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BTW is there a model or series for that Deployable turret too?

last anchor Nov 20, 2018, 7:16 AM

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The one thats basically an M41 on a turret base? Probably just an M41.

obsidian thistle Nov 20, 2018, 9:55 AM

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Mega lore is interesting

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https://www.halopedia.org/052496

052496

052496 was a UNSC M808B Main Battle Tank. It has a camouflage design to suit the terrain it is used it.

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Pages absolutely zero folks will look up xD But we have it anyway

warped fiber Nov 20, 2018, 11:05 AM

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The link to the source is no more

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Man, work has been busy.

Anyways as I was saying. I think there ended up being multiple Cortana's at the end of Halo 4. You could tell when Cortana was tearing apart that there was multiple Cortana voices.

I always believed when Cortana clone and split off all those personalities, she let loose a Pandora's box.

That the Cortana at the end of Halo 4 did die, the Cortana you deal with in Halo 5 is a clone, the Cortana in the legendary ending is another clone, and there could be a few more floating around thanks to the portal in the Didacts ship and fragments of the ship breaking apart and drifting everywhere when the ship went to slipspace

obsidian thistle Nov 20, 2018, 12:14 PM

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Mega sources keep changing its a pain :/

limpid meadow Nov 20, 2018, 2:18 PM

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The Cortana we saw at the end of Halo 4, the "good Cortana" if you like, did indeed die.

versed helm Nov 20, 2018, 2:19 PM

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And the Cortana that we saw in Halo 5 is the "bad Cortana"

limpid meadow Nov 20, 2018, 2:20 PM

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The Cortana from Halo 5 (and the Legendary ending) was made up of the fragments that had been pulled into slipspace with part of the Didact's ship

severe elbow Nov 20, 2018, 3:27 PM

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It would probably be more accurate to call the Cortana from Halo 5 the Dominion Splinter, or something, but that name never took off.

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Just based off the comic.

limpid meadow Nov 20, 2018, 3:35 PM

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If only Dominion Splinter had been good :\

severe elbow Nov 20, 2018, 3:38 PM

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At least it was pretty.

limpid meadow Nov 20, 2018, 3:40 PM

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It was, which really only adds to my disappointment

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I mean, such great art, and written by Frankie? Should have been an easy win

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But nope

feral perch Nov 20, 2018, 3:41 PM

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My favorite part piece of lit from Frankie is probably the balled of Hamish Beamish

limpid meadow Nov 20, 2018, 3:43 PM

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My favorite of his works is the Halo 3 terminals

feral perch Nov 20, 2018, 3:43 PM

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He wrote those?

limpid meadow Nov 20, 2018, 3:44 PM

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Yep

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At least in part

feral perch Nov 20, 2018, 3:44 PM

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Huh, that's cool

limpid meadow Nov 20, 2018, 3:45 PM

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Yeah

hollow raptor Nov 20, 2018, 4:54 PM

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As a fan of the Mega line I can assure you there are mostly a pain in many ways

last anchor Nov 20, 2018, 5:41 PM

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I wonder if Beamish survived the assault on CAMS.
I like to think he did. The UNSC came back however many years later and he's just there sweeping up glass and Covenant bodies.
"Wait, what are you still doing here?"
(Incoherint mumbling) "Messed up my floors. Darn aliens."

obsidian thistle Nov 20, 2018, 5:52 PM

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Well...

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Um...

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It would require 1 retcon of John finding the only CAMS survivors.

last anchor Nov 20, 2018, 5:53 PM

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To be fair, they said they were the only survivors...as they were LEAVING CAMS

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So, maybe he hid somewhere else during it? I dunno.
Im strangely attached ot the idea of the janitor randomly making it through all of that

fair hazel Nov 20, 2018, 5:54 PM

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Maybe he hid in the broom closet

obsidian thistle Nov 20, 2018, 5:54 PM

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Note I am not against Beamish xD He is a interesting character

fair hazel Nov 20, 2018, 5:54 PM

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Masking his smell with all the cleaning products

last anchor Nov 20, 2018, 6:03 PM

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Possible.
Played dead on a pile of dirty rags and that weird nasty smelling vomit-sand every school has

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"This one is already dead. He reeks." Sangheili moves off

severe elbow Nov 20, 2018, 6:04 PM

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Then he just makes mustard gas from cleaning supplies and carries out guerilla warfare against the Covenant.

hollow raptor Nov 20, 2018, 7:08 PM

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@last anchor I am officially in love with this idea

versed helm Nov 20, 2018, 8:16 PM

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Beamish?

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Isn’t he the janitor whose in literally in one scene and has zero involvement to the plot and probably didn’t need to be in the movie

limpid meadow Nov 20, 2018, 8:27 PM

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That's...one way to describe him, yes

severe elbow Nov 20, 2018, 8:30 PM

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Or we could describe him correctly.

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As a Precursor.

unique rune Nov 20, 2018, 8:33 PM

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thinkingchief

carmine sleet Nov 20, 2018, 8:33 PM

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Beamish is always watching, shaking his head at the unclean floors across the galaxy

obsidian thistle Nov 20, 2018, 8:34 PM

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Did you know beamish has a Cortana egg.

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https://www.halopedia.org/images/c/ce/Beamish.png

queen citrus Nov 20, 2018, 9:10 PM

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All you have to do is clean, they said. You don’t have to fight the Covies, they said.

versed helm Nov 20, 2018, 10:22 PM

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Of course he does

fair hazel Nov 20, 2018, 10:54 PM

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maybe hammish became a spartan

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and the wetwork armour wasn't created for assassinations but for, the dirty jobs... cleaning up

last anchor Nov 20, 2018, 11:05 PM

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I like this idea

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The vertical visor allows him to glare more effectively

versed helm Nov 21, 2018, 4:18 AM

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Has anyone else noticed how the Arbiter actually slowed down that Slip-space Drive in Halo Wars?

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I slowed it frame-by-frame, and the expansion of the drive before contact is around a 5% width increase per frame

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When Arbiter pushes it, it slows down to a 3.2% increase, meaning he successfully held around 36 percent of the drive's mass. Since the drive takes around two pelicans to carry (which can individually hold a 70 tonne Grizzly) this implies his pushing strength as being around 51 tonnes

last anchor Nov 21, 2018, 6:31 AM

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Holy hells

left depot Nov 21, 2018, 6:39 AM

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That's assuming you need full carry weight of both pelicans. Maybe it only just needs 2 pelicans? Do we have actual mass numbers?

last anchor Nov 21, 2018, 6:44 AM

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Not really. Then again it might be LENGTH rather than weight that requires two pelicans.

left depot Nov 21, 2018, 6:44 AM

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Also true

versed helm Nov 21, 2018, 6:52 AM

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The only vehicle that had enough torque to pull it was from the Elephant, so it still seems pretty heavy

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you can hear the engine grinding against the slope when the Arbiter pushes against it

left depot Nov 21, 2018, 6:53 AM

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That pushing force implies he's 2/3 as powerful as a hydrogen bomb though. Seems far fetched

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Half as powerful. Got my numbers wrong

versed helm Nov 21, 2018, 6:54 AM

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Considering elites can hold out a 1000lb spartan with one outstretched arm, and that he's supposed to be among the strongest of elites, it's not that unusual

left depot Nov 21, 2018, 6:54 AM

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Suppose. Powered armour as well

last anchor Nov 21, 2018, 6:55 AM

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His anger gives him strength.

versed helm Nov 21, 2018, 6:55 AM

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Yeah, I think he also has power armour

last anchor Nov 21, 2018, 6:55 AM

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Wait thats blocked too?!

versed helm Nov 21, 2018, 6:55 AM

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what

last anchor Nov 21, 2018, 6:55 AM

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Okay thats new to me...
Maybe he has a Stand or something like that

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I tried to put "triggered pig noise" in here and apperently thats considered a swear or something

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(Shrug)

versed helm Nov 21, 2018, 6:56 AM

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ah lol

last anchor Nov 21, 2018, 6:56 AM

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Yeh. Anyway, dang son, thats pretty impressive

versed helm Nov 21, 2018, 6:56 AM

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yeah. i don't know why it took me so long to realise haha

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I've been watching that cutscene since the game came out

last anchor Nov 21, 2018, 6:57 AM

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I mean it didnt really strike me as all that impressive either. I just figured he got pushed back and it banged against the wall.

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Apperently he pushed it hard enough to slow it down, which is pretty impressive

versed helm Nov 21, 2018, 6:58 AM

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Yeah, I just heard the sound effect of the engine grinding in protest today and it got me interested

versed helm Nov 21, 2018, 7:25 AM

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Sadly, these cutscenes are really showing their age

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I remember when I saw them as photorealistic enough to be a movie

last anchor Nov 21, 2018, 7:28 AM

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Heh. I still enjoy em

versed helm Nov 21, 2018, 7:39 AM

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Some pretty little details in the DE, now that I'm watching them

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a noticeable change for sure

last anchor Nov 21, 2018, 7:41 AM

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Really?

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Better I assume

versed helm Nov 21, 2018, 7:46 AM

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Yeah, gameplay cutscenes are much better, and the CG has some smaller changes that you can still notice even without a side-by-side comparison

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looks like they also added a camera shake when Arbiter slows down that engine, too

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clearly they realised how hard it was to notice him doing that lol

last anchor Nov 21, 2018, 7:53 AM

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Ill have to give the remastered ones a relook

versed helm Nov 21, 2018, 7:54 AM

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Hell, it makes me feel like actually buying it

unique rune Nov 21, 2018, 7:54 AM

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I should really play more HW and HW2...

versed helm Nov 21, 2018, 7:59 AM

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Have you guys seen that Issue #2 cover for that Lone Wolf comic?

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Looks like Linda is getting an AI

last anchor Nov 21, 2018, 8:00 AM

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Some kind of cowboy/Confederate officer, yeah

versed helm Nov 21, 2018, 8:02 AM

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Wonder why they're making that decision

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any chance of a Linda spinoff game, maybe?

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Stealth-based Halo game? Damn, that's actually an awesome idea!

last anchor Nov 21, 2018, 8:05 AM

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(Glances over at Republic Commando's solo levels)
Im liking this.

versed helm Nov 21, 2018, 8:09 AM

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Lmao, these guys saying it's Saxton Hale

last anchor Nov 21, 2018, 8:10 AM

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That would be amusing, but is unlikely

versed helm Nov 21, 2018, 8:12 AM

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so you're saying there's a chance?

last anchor Nov 21, 2018, 8:13 AM

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All I know is, 343 is in Redmond. Im pretty sure Valve is in that same area.

obsidian thistle Nov 21, 2018, 8:59 AM

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Gameplay cutscenes in HW:DE look better as the models are now full quality. Seriously if you go back and compare og HW and HW:DE models/textures you can see details you couldnt before. I presume this is cause PC/X1 is more powerful than the 360 xD

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Funny thing Arcadia City is actually a city on Arcadia, and isnt just a name of a level

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And you can only see that detail in DE

versed helm Nov 21, 2018, 9:42 AM

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@obsidian thistle I'm curious: did you ever notice Arbiter holding back that slipspace drive? As in, he actually managed to slow it down?

versed helm Nov 21, 2018, 11:41 AM

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Excuse me

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Is anyone here?

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How much ships does the Unggoy have after the Human-Covenant war

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or do they not have any

last anchor Nov 21, 2018, 4:23 PM

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We dont know. Probably quite a few now that they've sided with the Created

severe elbow Nov 21, 2018, 4:24 PM

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They probably don't have a significant force considering the Elites/Brutes and the Prophets controlled the Covenant navy so much (and some Jackals).

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The whole point of Glasslands' Elite sections was how the Prophets making other races necessary for non-military things like farming really crippled the Elites when that infrastructure was no longer present.

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So I can imagine the Grunts and other races faced a similar issue. The Grunts would have the infrastructure for farming and other civil needs, but would lack the backbone of a strong military.

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Particularly in leadership and materiel.

versed helm Nov 21, 2018, 5:17 PM

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And iirc..didn't Balaho suffer an ecological collapse prior to the Great Purification

severe elbow Nov 21, 2018, 5:19 PM

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I think that's irrelevant to the more current large portion of the planet getting glassed by the Covenant after the Grunt Rebellion.

last anchor Nov 21, 2018, 5:23 PM

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I think the glassing just made it WORSE

limpid kernel Nov 21, 2018, 5:24 PM

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Poor grunts

versed helm Nov 21, 2018, 5:32 PM

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What are some of the strangest locations in Halo?

carmine sleet Nov 21, 2018, 5:34 PM

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The Planet of Red and Blue

versed helm Nov 21, 2018, 5:34 PM

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The Halo CEA/Halo Reach map Solitary

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Charum Hakkor

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Janjur Qom

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I know i asked this before but still...who or what could've been imprisoned within the Halo CEA/Halo Reach Solitary

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I still can't wrap my head around it

last anchor Nov 21, 2018, 5:41 PM

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Something big

clever fable Nov 21, 2018, 5:42 PM

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That final blue team mission from Halo 5 that's received like no comment for like three years is pretty strange.

feral perch Nov 21, 2018, 5:42 PM

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It's bigger than the original Prisoner?

last anchor Nov 21, 2018, 5:43 PM

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No, the thing inside it was big

clever fable Nov 21, 2018, 5:43 PM

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That location where the Precursors "contained" a threat is a biggie. Might go there at some point, but even with such little info that's still super strange given what they're capable of.

versed helm Nov 21, 2018, 5:43 PM

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From what I've seen of that map...there's more structures like Solitary on the planet where it's set

last anchor Nov 21, 2018, 5:43 PM

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They're all high up in the air too

feral perch Nov 21, 2018, 5:43 PM

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Interesting

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Prisoner from CE seemed human-sized to me

versed helm Nov 21, 2018, 5:44 PM

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Personally..i believe that it was a race that might've pissed off the Forerunners,a race we never encountered before but looking at all the known species,i'd say it could've been the Sharquoi

feral perch Nov 21, 2018, 5:44 PM

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Dunno about Solitary, hafta give it a look

versed helm Nov 21, 2018, 5:46 PM

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What are you're thoughts?

versed helm Nov 21, 2018, 7:27 PM

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That planet in envoy

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What with being filled with sharquoi

carmine sleet Nov 21, 2018, 8:25 PM

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I mean, other than having a Forerunner site filled with Sharquoi, it was just another planet

obsidian thistle Nov 22, 2018, 12:17 AM

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Well this is interesting

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https://twitter.com/cia391/status/1065396935425753088?s=19

Chris Aiken (@cia391)

@toa_freak @GrimBrotherOne @NakaiCanon hmmm seems the Covies have a Roman numeral like system?!?

You can see these in H2A in the holding cells in the level Gravemind.

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Possible new numbers for the Covies.

last anchor Nov 22, 2018, 12:25 AM

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This is just a random guess on my part but they seem to follow the same cycle as roman numerals. The first one is the equivilent of 1, or I, and the other one is the equivilent of 5 (V)

remote wharf Nov 22, 2018, 12:25 AM

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yeah

obsidian thistle Nov 22, 2018, 12:28 AM

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Thats what my tweet suggests xD

last anchor Nov 22, 2018, 12:29 AM

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Oh so you did. RIP

obsidian thistle Nov 22, 2018, 12:30 AM

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Shame I cant get more outta this. Those 6 is all we have

remote wharf Nov 22, 2018, 12:30 AM

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sadly unrelated to infinite trailer

obsidian thistle Nov 22, 2018, 12:30 AM

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Hey now

remote wharf Nov 22, 2018, 12:30 AM

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hey i just checked

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think those numbers are in H2 classic?

obsidian thistle Nov 22, 2018, 12:31 AM

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Only 5 is.

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The other 5 symbols are brand new to H2A.

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So this was on purpose it seems

remote wharf Nov 22, 2018, 12:31 AM

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kinda unoriginal

obsidian thistle Nov 22, 2018, 12:32 AM

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Aka only this one is in Halo 2 Classic.
https://twitter.com/cia391/status/1065397694057889792?s=19

Chris Aiken (@cia391)

Halo 2 just has this for all 6 cells in a block. So it was on purpose these were added.

last anchor Nov 22, 2018, 12:33 AM

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Hey I'll take what I can get

obsidian thistle Nov 22, 2018, 12:33 AM

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The more research into symbols the closer we can get to being able to write more covenant

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Thats my logic

left depot Nov 22, 2018, 7:05 AM

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I really want sangheili to become a full, learnable, language

carmine sleet Nov 22, 2018, 7:07 AM

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You mean like Klingon from Star Trek?

left depot Nov 22, 2018, 7:07 AM

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Kinda, yeah

last anchor Nov 22, 2018, 7:29 AM

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That would be dope

obsidian thistle Nov 22, 2018, 8:30 AM

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We have 2 (or 1 if you discount the ARG one that could be ARG only) fully writable Forerunner languages, one that includes numbers.

versed helm Nov 22, 2018, 10:59 AM

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Regarding languages..Did the Lifeworkers and Miners ever had their own dialects of the Forerunner language or did they use either Digon or Jagon?

limpid kernel Nov 22, 2018, 2:02 PM

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I never noticed those numbers..

limber blade Nov 22, 2018, 4:39 PM

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no

obsidian thistle Nov 22, 2018, 4:49 PM

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Yea the numbers was a obscure thing in Halo 4. And uber clear in Halo 5.

ocean kite Nov 22, 2018, 6:09 PM

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Is there any relatively short, not pages and pages long, website or video to summarize the key parts of the halo lore?
I've seen the Halo origins mini movies from Halo legends if they are considered canon

modest marsh Nov 22, 2018, 6:23 PM

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Halo Legends is mostly canon

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Odd one out isn’t

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Origins is itself suspect as it pertains to a recreation of the events as opposed to how they necessarily occur

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Everything else can be taken at face value more or less

ocean kite Nov 22, 2018, 6:25 PM

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Aight

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Also

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Was Master Chief the last spartan after reach or were there others during halo 1-3 we just didn't see?

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Is it ever revealed where they were during halo 1-3 or

modest marsh Nov 22, 2018, 6:36 PM

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Yeah

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The books

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Specifically First Strike, Ghosts of Onyx, and Glasslands follows Blue Team

ocean kite Nov 22, 2018, 6:37 PM

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Did the unsc know they were still alive?

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I searched it up and it said she was ejected before the crash on Halo

modest marsh Nov 22, 2018, 6:38 PM

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She was clinically dead at the time

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Which is why Chief was technically the last II from his perspective

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Gray Team and Black Team was still active as of 2553, so from the UNSC’s perspective they still had a few IIs

full forge Nov 22, 2018, 6:40 PM

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Aka she was in cryo with no pulse,

carmine sleet Nov 22, 2018, 6:41 PM

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Grey Team were out of contact as of the Fall of Reach though, meaning they couldn't be recalled for Operation Red Flag

modest marsh Nov 22, 2018, 6:46 PM

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They were out of contact, but then regained contact for the operation that destroyed Glyke

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This took place around 2553, just after Halo 3

versed helm Nov 22, 2018, 9:04 PM

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I have a question that I’ve been thinking about for awhile. For the Spartan-II’s that “washed out” such as Red Team from Halo Wars. How long did it take for them to be fully deployed as Spartans? Because first we see them is in 2531.

feral perch Nov 22, 2018, 9:15 PM

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I think the question we all want to know is

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Jai or Jerome?

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@versed helm In response, I'm not sure. I don't think their Phoenix Logs in HW2 give exact dates

carmine sleet Nov 22, 2018, 9:16 PM

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Don't make me choose between Grey and Red Teams

feral perch Nov 22, 2018, 9:16 PM

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Okay then

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James or Daisy?

obsidian thistle Nov 22, 2018, 9:20 PM

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Oh that

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The Washouts have a timeperiod in the Spartan Field guide.

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Between 2526 and 2530 washout spartans were put into the fold

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Source: Page 83 of the Halo: Official Spartan Field Manual

versed helm Nov 22, 2018, 10:52 PM

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@feral perch daisy

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Think Soren 066 is alive still?

modest marsh Nov 22, 2018, 11:25 PM

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His fate is unclear

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Ultimately he would’ve perished during the Fall of Reach whether or not he survived defecting the UNSC and lived in the wilderness

severe elbow Nov 23, 2018, 12:02 AM

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He could have found a way offworld beforehand, too.

sharp pilot Nov 23, 2018, 12:08 AM

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I see y’all moved over here

last anchor Nov 23, 2018, 12:11 AM

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From where?

versed helm Nov 23, 2018, 12:14 AM

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What makes you say he died? The covenant only glassed part of reach

last anchor Nov 23, 2018, 1:41 AM

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You know what I just realized?
In Halo 3, at the very end, we see the Arbiter climb into the command seat on Forward Unto Dawn when the frigate fires her engines to escape the Ark.
Yet, when it gets cut in half and we see it during the Legendary ending, the bridge (where the Arbiter theoretically was) is on the back half of the ship, same as with most UNSC frigates.
So...where was the Arbiter that he ended up on the front of the ship (and therefor made it to Earth)?

feral perch Nov 23, 2018, 1:45 AM

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magic

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precursors

versed helm Nov 23, 2018, 10:20 AM

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I still do wonder how Arbiter and Chief got separated

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Another plot for another day shipmaster

limpid kernel Nov 23, 2018, 1:23 PM

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Maybe the room suddenly exploded and sent arbiter flying far to the front side of the ship

obsidian thistle Nov 23, 2018, 5:51 PM

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Arby has more of a reason to escape a area that was exposed to "Space", unlike John who wearing sealed Armor

feral perch Nov 23, 2018, 7:06 PM

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Can someone explain to me how Cortana's datachip is compatible with Covenant holoplinths, such as on High Charity? Or with the ship systems, like on Ascendant Justice?

versed helm Nov 23, 2018, 7:08 PM

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Plot

feral perch Nov 23, 2018, 7:11 PM

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And how her datachip definitely moved from that first plinth in the sanctum of the Heirarchs in H2 to that smaller room in H3? Or, heck, how it moved from the plinth in Gravemind to the one in High Charity?

modest marsh Nov 23, 2018, 7:17 PM

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It’s presumably some form of wireless transfer

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For both accounts

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Also, Chief had the data chip, it was never left on High Charity

feral perch Nov 23, 2018, 7:18 PM

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Ooh that's right

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I forgot that crucial bit of info

modest marsh Nov 23, 2018, 7:18 PM

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Earlier in the game we see Cortana jump from a console into Master Chief’s hand

feral perch Nov 23, 2018, 7:19 PM

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Okay, thanks!

modest marsh Nov 23, 2018, 7:19 PM

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Proximity is apparently good enough for a quick transfer I guess

last anchor Nov 23, 2018, 8:50 PM

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It is.
On Cairo Station; Chief puts his hand on the consol, then to his helmet. And then in Halo we see her activate 04b/08 by simply touching the consol after being projected from the datachip

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Cortana's really good at doing alternative things. Like using the Chief's built in transcom system to monitor Covenant chatter on Alpha Halo

shrewd trout Nov 24, 2018, 5:25 AM

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Makes sense to make your smart AI have a lot of options to do stuff

last anchor Nov 24, 2018, 5:29 AM

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Especially since this is Cortana, a Smart AI made from the smartest human living at the time

feral perch Nov 24, 2018, 3:00 PM

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What about Anders tho?

versed helm Nov 24, 2018, 4:17 PM

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She was a very talented xenoarcheologist

subtle depot Nov 24, 2018, 4:20 PM

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So I need something cleared up. When chief and the arbiter meet at the end of halo 5 is this the first they have seen each other since the forward unto dawn or did they meet at some other point before then?

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Also I’m halo reach the armors shields seem to behave like a mark 6 however you need medical packs to heal and you start with the mark 5b helmet. So the question is is the reach armor using the mark 5 platform or is it using mark 6 and chief is just really far behind? Sorry for the long post.

carmine sleet Nov 24, 2018, 4:45 PM

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It was the first time since Halo 3 that Chief and Arby met in Halo 5

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And the armour seen in Reach is Mark V, not Mark VI

subtle depot Nov 24, 2018, 4:48 PM

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Okay thank you

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So then chief was one of the first to receive mark 6?

carmine sleet Nov 24, 2018, 4:52 PM

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Him alongside Fred, Linda and Will after they returned to Earth before Halo 2

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Although Black Team had armour that was very similar known as Mjolnir Black before then

last anchor Nov 24, 2018, 6:17 PM

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But it was its own subvariant with similar tech, not a MK V platform.

carmine sleet Nov 24, 2018, 6:19 PM

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Indeed

fair hazel Nov 24, 2018, 6:20 PM

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Maria tested Johns mark VI before it was handed to him

sick valley Nov 24, 2018, 9:32 PM

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Ight so question for everyone here as there is a debate going on in a few servers.

Is Tom B292's first name Thomas or is it just "Tom"

carmine sleet Nov 24, 2018, 9:38 PM

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It's never stated if it is short for Thomas so it's likely his name is just Tom

potent sluice Nov 24, 2018, 10:47 PM

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Aight

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Bois

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Did jonah the headhunter wear black or green?

carmine sleet Nov 24, 2018, 10:53 PM

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Green, lighting during Headhunters would make it look black in some shots though

night tulip Nov 25, 2018, 12:07 AM

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Green for forest environment

swift igloo Nov 25, 2018, 2:52 AM

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Why didn't Penitent Tangent laser beam the gravemind to escape?

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Answer: Plot

rotund pewter Nov 25, 2018, 3:19 AM

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One message removed from a suspended account.

last anchor Nov 25, 2018, 3:19 AM

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Logic Plauge?

severe elbow Nov 25, 2018, 3:21 AM

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The Monitor beam likely isn't all powerful. Not nearly powerful enough to hinder a Gravemind.

swift igloo Nov 25, 2018, 3:26 AM

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Shoot the tentacle and fly away

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I mean he's the monitor he should have access to the rings teleporters

last anchor Nov 25, 2018, 3:27 AM

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If the infestations bad enough to form a Gravemind, it might be beyond simple containement protocols

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The Flood is not a simple foe

obsidian thistle Nov 25, 2018, 10:37 AM

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Plus PT was a lil wonky prior to the infection even being started

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Like he was not doing his Job properly. We can only guess why tbh.

brisk cape Nov 25, 2018, 3:56 PM

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My guess would be some sort of ‘Rampancy’ just like GS was experiencing.

subtle depot Nov 25, 2018, 4:13 PM

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I don’t think guilty spark was truly rampant. Just conflicting orders and protocol. Ex. he is told to protect his installation at all costs but also to help the reclaimer. The installation just ended up winning the priority.

dusty pilot Nov 25, 2018, 4:19 PM

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they should just call him "686 Impaired Judgement" from now on lol

carmine sleet Nov 25, 2018, 4:20 PM

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No because 686 is already taken

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And Spark's name is fine

last anchor Nov 25, 2018, 5:36 PM

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Wouldn't fit the theme anyway

carmine sleet Nov 25, 2018, 5:41 PM

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Also true

fair hazel Nov 25, 2018, 7:00 PM

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who are your guys favourite spartan-IVsÉ

dusty pilot Nov 25, 2018, 7:01 PM

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?*

fair hazel Nov 25, 2018, 7:01 PM

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yes

dusty pilot Nov 25, 2018, 7:01 PM

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DeMaRcO

carmine sleet Nov 25, 2018, 7:03 PM

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I'd be lying if I didn't say Buck. Vale is a close second though

versed helm Nov 25, 2018, 7:07 PM

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Buck is the only spartan 4 in my eyes, rest are posers 😉

carmine sleet Nov 25, 2018, 7:08 PM

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No, they're all SIVs, just some are better than others

unique rune Nov 25, 2018, 7:11 PM

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yeAh bUt THey WeREn'T AbdUCteD aNd bRaiNwASheD aS cHilDrEn sO tHeY ArEN't rEaL sPArTanS

versed helm Nov 25, 2018, 7:21 PM

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Yeah pretty much @unique rune

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Also the fact that they’re created quicker then bunnies mate

quiet dock Nov 25, 2018, 7:24 PM

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At least their creation is ethical

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Literally people’s only problem with Spartan IVs is that they aren’t edgy enough

carmine sleet Nov 25, 2018, 7:26 PM

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Indeed, don't get me wrong, I love the SIIs and SIIIs but I ain't gonna just ignore all the human rights violations and stuff surrounding them

unique rune Nov 25, 2018, 7:27 PM

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~~real Spartans get abducted as kids, miss me with that volunteering~~

versed helm Nov 25, 2018, 7:27 PM

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legendary arbiter

subtle depot Nov 25, 2018, 7:39 PM

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Yeah also if I’m not mistaken one of the reasons people dislike spartan 4’s is they are “weaker” than the 2’s and 3’s. I’m not sure if it’s true though because the 4s have better augmentations. They do lack the training since age six thing though

fair hazel Nov 25, 2018, 7:43 PM

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i do wish we had more spartan-IVs we followed

carmine sleet Nov 25, 2018, 7:43 PM

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I believe that out of armour, the SIVs are weaker but the armour compensates for this. To be honest, I think the SIVs are completely fine and make sense for the UNSC to create post the Human-Covenant War, they know that they feared the Spartans, so increasing the amount of Spartans is a logical decision for combating various Covenant splinter groups, not just because of the fact that a single Spartan is a very dangerous operative, but also to lower the morale of the enemy

quiet dock Nov 25, 2018, 7:43 PM

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What if their dislike of SIV is the people RPing SIIs who don’t like the new Spartans because they weren’t raised together

subtle depot Nov 25, 2018, 7:44 PM

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Good point. And also 343 made them

quiet dock Nov 25, 2018, 7:44 PM

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Lol its not really that

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But still people that grew up with Halo thought Chief was the last Spartan

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Any new Spartan or class of Spartans rewrites their worldview of Spartans and they don’t like it because they didn’t want Chief to be one of many

carmine sleet Nov 25, 2018, 7:46 PM

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To be fair, the notion of Chief being the last one came from Bungie putting that on the box of Halo 3

quiet dock Nov 25, 2018, 7:47 PM

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This is true, but since when was Bungie lore consistent?

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He was never the last Spartan, just the last not MIA

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Or the last that was even close enough to save earth

subtle depot Nov 25, 2018, 7:50 PM

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I don’t think so at the time there were other Spartans I believe listed as active duty

quiet dock Nov 25, 2018, 7:50 PM

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I thought those were far enough removed that they were considered MIA?

carmine sleet Nov 25, 2018, 7:50 PM

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Indeed, I believe Halo Canon did a video on it recently about how Chief was only really seen as the last Spartan during Halo CE because the crew of the PoA didn't know what happened to the rest of them on Reach

quiet dock Nov 25, 2018, 7:50 PM

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I don’t really know though, my lore knowledge isn’t the best

carmine sleet Nov 25, 2018, 7:51 PM

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And by recently, I mean two months ago

quiet dock Nov 25, 2018, 7:51 PM

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Ah

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I don’t watch lore channels

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So it doesn’t mean much to me

swift igloo Nov 25, 2018, 8:45 PM

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Thorne is the best Spartan IV

obsidian thistle Nov 25, 2018, 8:46 PM

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I rather like Fireteam Shadow tbh. The actual first Spartan-IVs we even hear about. (Even if we didnt know they were Spartan-IVs at the time)

feral perch Nov 25, 2018, 8:46 PM

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no

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Best S-IV is

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Noble Six

swift igloo Nov 25, 2018, 8:47 PM

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Thorne is probably the most mature Spartan IV

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You're wrong

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You meant noble two

feral perch Nov 25, 2018, 8:47 PM

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actually my favorite is De Hoya

swift igloo Nov 25, 2018, 8:48 PM

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He's cool

feral perch Nov 25, 2018, 8:48 PM

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Scratch that, it's Buck

obsidian thistle Nov 25, 2018, 8:48 PM

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Though I would be lying if I didnt like the Mystery Spartan-IV we play as in Halo 4/5 Multiplayer. The only well and true 100% fluid character defined only by the players.

swift igloo Nov 25, 2018, 8:48 PM

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I think Buck is better as an odst

feral perch Nov 25, 2018, 8:49 PM

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Surprise, our Spartan-IV in Halo 4/5 is actually just a shell controlled by Noble Six

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from his cave

obsidian thistle Nov 25, 2018, 8:50 PM

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Even Fireteam Crimson is locked by story we dont play xD And has a canon emblem and armor. (Even a 5th member if the Mega Construx set is canon)

cerulean flax Nov 25, 2018, 9:01 PM

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omg i have a huge collection of those mega construx figures, but they're all the old articulation ones lol

warped fiber Nov 25, 2018, 11:30 PM

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The Spartan - IVs are basically what the Orion project was supposed to be. So in all honesty, the IVs are the most ethical and pure Spartans for they are the most human.

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And that was what Spartan Musa was trying to prove with the creation of the IVs and you saw it in New Blood

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“Children are easier to mold. Take them from their homes at such a young age, place them into a barracks, give them the kind of training that teaches them to follow orders, to kill without question, and then you get soldiers you can make real weapons out of. Ones you can always trust.”
“You point them at the problem and pull their trigger,” I said.
“Exactly. But I firmly believe that ONI got it wrong with the earlier SPARTAN programs. They set out to create infallible weapons. I wanted to take people and forge them into heroes. Very human heroes.”

versed helm Nov 26, 2018, 7:47 AM

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What would be the chances of an Insurrectionist group getting their hands on Spartan-II's, Spartan-III's and Spartan-IV's? Which Spartan would be the most likeliest to be abducted or integrated into Insurrectionist ranks because there is bound to be Spartans who'd want to rebel against ONI and the UNSC.

last anchor Nov 26, 2018, 7:47 AM

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Unlikely, but non-UNSC augmented troops do exist I believe

warped fiber Nov 26, 2018, 10:12 AM

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@versed helm there was a couple of Spartan - IVs who turned to the Insurrection

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And a lot of current UNSC troops feel that they have to fight Insurrectionist is immoral. Many of the Rank and file lower enlisted were not even alive when the Insurrectionist wars were being fought and only known a war against the covenant and a fight for survival. So to go from killing aliens to now killing fellow humans, it really causes a rift in the ranks of the UNSC. Even troops leaving the unsc to join them. Even Spartan Mickey.

swift igloo Nov 26, 2018, 12:20 PM

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Soren

versed helm Nov 26, 2018, 12:53 PM

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Soren wasn’t an innie, he was just confused and wanted to included in something

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Would 7 sangheili be able to lift a nova bomb
and run 2km in 10 seconds?

knotty kernel Nov 26, 2018, 1:05 PM

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Who's reading Halo Silent Storm

warped fiber Nov 26, 2018, 2:16 PM

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Run 2km in 10 seconds. They be traveling traveling 1/5th the speed of a bullet. That's crazy fast

warped fiber Nov 26, 2018, 2:31 PM

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Spartan-IV Vladimir Scruggs was another spartan traitor

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Then you have Spartan-IV Rudolf Schein who was part of the URF.

knotty kernel Nov 26, 2018, 2:37 PM

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Mickey too

warped fiber Nov 26, 2018, 2:37 PM

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I mentioned him a few post up

knotty kernel Nov 26, 2018, 2:38 PM

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I see

warped fiber Nov 26, 2018, 2:38 PM

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I was posting other Spartans who went rogue

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Technically you can count the S-IIs who escaped, went home, saw their clones selves, killed the clone and then themselves

knotty kernel Nov 26, 2018, 2:40 PM

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Would they make Sgt Johnson a spartan IV if he were still alive

warped fiber Nov 26, 2018, 2:40 PM

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He's a spartan 1

knotty kernel Nov 26, 2018, 2:40 PM

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I recall Daisy attempted to kill her clone

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Yeah, but could he become a IV

carmine sleet Nov 26, 2018, 2:40 PM

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Unknown

warped fiber Nov 26, 2018, 2:41 PM

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It's possible his argumentations would conflict with the other Spartan-IV agumentations. Especially since it did alter his body chemistry.

knotty kernel Nov 26, 2018, 2:42 PM

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Organ replacement IIRC

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It was mentioned in Silent Storm I think

warped fiber Nov 26, 2018, 2:43 PM

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Also reading the spartan handbook, Spartan - IVs need constant check ups on their agumentations. They can't deploy for years like Spartan 2s and 3s. A spartan IV deployed for a very long extended period of time can have negative side effects to their argumentations

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To me, that sounds like a fail safe

knotty kernel Nov 26, 2018, 3:11 PM

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Makes sense

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IDK what's scarier the washout IVs from Halo initiation or Cat 2 Spartans

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Jun states that Palmer needed gen 2 mjolnir to physically combat them

warped fiber Nov 26, 2018, 3:18 PM

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Seeing how one of them leads the URF and is blood thirsty

severe elbow Nov 26, 2018, 3:18 PM

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She's a leader in the New Colonial Alliance.

warped fiber Nov 26, 2018, 3:18 PM

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Okay NCQ

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NCA

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Anyways. I can see why the S-IVs after her class would have this fail safe built into their argumentations

knotty kernel Nov 26, 2018, 3:19 PM

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You mean augmentations

warped fiber Nov 26, 2018, 3:21 PM

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Yes. I'm on my phone

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So my fat fingers and spell check don't mix well

knotty kernel Nov 26, 2018, 3:23 PM

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Were the IVs augmentations mostly cybernetic like the IIs or were they mostly biologically like the IIIs

warped fiber Nov 26, 2018, 3:27 PM

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The II's were both cybernetic and biological

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And the 3's got the same treatment

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Why they could use the MJOLNIR armor

knotty kernel Nov 26, 2018, 3:27 PM

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I mean IIRC IIIs were most biologically enhancements or was it Cat 2

warped fiber Nov 26, 2018, 3:28 PM

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Seeing how Tom and Lucy end up getting MJOLNIR armor when they got sent to ONYX. I think all of them got the treatment

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After they, Blue, and Ferret team split up after the Gao incident

dusty pilot Nov 26, 2018, 3:47 PM

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more SIII's should survive, maybe 1 or 2 from Alpha Company should somehow show up.

modest marsh Nov 26, 2018, 3:53 PM

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One already did in Fractures

knotty kernel Nov 26, 2018, 3:54 PM

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It's nice seeing Namoi mentioned in Halo Silent Storm

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I think she was Red team

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No wait she was Gold Team, my bad

last anchor Nov 26, 2018, 4:56 PM

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Zanes dead Im pretty sure. She was on a colony just before a Guardian burs free.

severe elbow Nov 26, 2018, 4:59 PM

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She could have escaped. If she died, I'm sure it would be confirmed.

last anchor Nov 26, 2018, 5:00 PM

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Fair point

versed helm Nov 26, 2018, 5:31 PM

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Random spartan disappears
He’s probably dead.
noble six gets stabbed and shot, glassed, and gets confirmed dead by bungie and 343
Definetly alive in a cave.

limpid kernel Nov 26, 2018, 5:32 PM

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Well it's true

severe elbow Nov 26, 2018, 5:32 PM

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You gotta see through the lies of the creators.

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Unreliable narrator.

versed helm Nov 26, 2018, 5:44 PM

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He’s confirmed dead?

carmine sleet Nov 26, 2018, 5:47 PM

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Six is confirmed dead. He's not in a cave, he didn't somehow make it off Reach, he died, if not from being stabbed, from being glassed

limpid kernel Nov 26, 2018, 5:48 PM

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The covenant did not bother to glass that cave

full forge Nov 26, 2018, 6:13 PM

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It had forerunner stuffin's

versed helm Nov 26, 2018, 6:20 PM

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Six is dead

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Although i would still love to know how Jun got off Reach

versed helm Nov 26, 2018, 6:40 PM

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He used reach’s jet pack

fair hazel Nov 26, 2018, 6:43 PM

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Frankie tweeted about it a bit

foggy sinew Nov 26, 2018, 8:01 PM

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If the covenant broke up, then why do we still fight the covenant in halo 4 and 5? Is it like covenant remnants or something?

severe elbow Nov 26, 2018, 8:02 PM

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Yes, it's a remnant. Halsey specifically calls them a terrorist group in Spartan Ops.

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It's a group gathered by Jul 'Mdama and was the largest post-war faction of former Covenant forces.

upper star Nov 26, 2018, 8:57 PM

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I think it's ease of association in real life, while in the game, humanity has been fighting them for over 3 decades so colloquially the name has stuck

severe elbow Nov 26, 2018, 8:59 PM

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Jul's faction also presents itself as a continuation of the original Covenant.

last anchor Nov 26, 2018, 9:11 PM

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So do several others

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The name MEANS something so they swing it around for weight

severe elbow Nov 26, 2018, 9:13 PM

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Right, but Jul's is the biggest, so it has the most weight, and the UNSC specifically identifies them as "the Covenant."

deep aspen Nov 26, 2018, 10:00 PM

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Wasn’t there new SIII lore?

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Like an Owen and a few others?

severe elbow Nov 26, 2018, 10:04 PM

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In the upcoming book, Battle Born.

deep aspen Nov 26, 2018, 10:09 PM

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What are the names of the Spartans?

knotty kernel Nov 27, 2018, 2:00 AM

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I'm willing to accept plot stupidity for Emile's return

last sphinx Nov 27, 2018, 2:03 AM

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I agree with Dark Magic

knotty kernel Nov 27, 2018, 2:03 AM

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He had so much potential

last sphinx Nov 27, 2018, 2:04 AM

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Best boi ever

knotty kernel Nov 27, 2018, 2:04 AM

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If he survived getting stabbed by an energy sword(not uncommon look at Linda) and gets back on field with PTSD with his teamates deaths then you've created a bigger badass and monster

last sphinx Nov 27, 2018, 2:08 AM

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I was really angry (and sad) when Emile died. He's a character who has a lot of potential... Just with his personality, I think he stands out a lot from others. Afterwards, a psychopath always ''comes out'' a little more of the lot... But it was especially his side to want to break the will of his enemies at any cost. And giving up his "humanity" because he finds it impossible to keep it during a war

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But I wonder what he did after Reach, if he survived ? :l

knotty kernel Nov 27, 2018, 2:16 AM

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Probably go on a covenant killing rampage and more angrier. He'll probably distance himself from Spartan IVs if he ever gets deployed with them, not to mention have a sense of distrust since he doesn't socialize well with non-spartans.

last sphinx Nov 27, 2018, 2:17 AM

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Yeah ... But he doesn't go unnoticed either with his armor and his way of being

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It would be weird if he stayed in the shadows so long without someone noticing

knotty kernel Nov 27, 2018, 2:18 AM

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People would freak out and have their eyes fixed on him every time he goes somewhere. Though the description of his armor set in Halo 5 implies he was well respected by the IVs.

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He'll be prohibited from doing human insurrectionist missions still

last sphinx Nov 27, 2018, 2:19 AM

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It makes sense

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I would love to see him come back ;-;

knotty kernel Nov 27, 2018, 2:20 AM

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He's irreplaceable which sucks

distant elk Nov 27, 2018, 2:20 AM

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I'm 90% sure guilty spark is a robot

knotty kernel Nov 27, 2018, 2:20 AM

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Kinda of

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He has human subconscious if that counts

distant elk Nov 27, 2018, 2:21 AM

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but physically hes still a robot

knotty kernel Nov 27, 2018, 2:21 AM

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Now he's ashes

distant elk Nov 27, 2018, 2:21 AM

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can i get an f in chat for our literally fallen comrade

knotty kernel Nov 27, 2018, 2:22 AM

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RIP SGT Johnson

distant elk Nov 27, 2018, 2:22 AM

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i was talking about spark, but ok

knotty kernel Nov 27, 2018, 2:24 AM

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He was a d##k

versed helm Nov 27, 2018, 2:26 AM

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I wonder if Emile ever knew about John 117

knotty kernel Nov 27, 2018, 2:27 AM

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John was famous so I don't doubt it

versed helm Nov 27, 2018, 2:27 AM

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It would be interesting since both of them were from the same colony

knotty kernel Nov 27, 2018, 2:28 AM

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Would Jorge tell stories about John, I wonder

versed helm Nov 27, 2018, 2:28 AM

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I wonder..whatever happened to that girl from the first level of Halo Reach

knotty kernel Nov 27, 2018, 2:28 AM

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probably dead

versed helm Nov 27, 2018, 2:30 AM

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True

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F

subtle depot Nov 27, 2018, 2:33 AM

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I don’t think Emile would have known John personally as John was six at the time of his abduction and I believe the same for Emile. Noting the distance in time between spartan ll and lll programs Emile probably was not born at the time John was there; and with the origins of Spartans highly classified they both probably have no idea they are from the same colony

versed helm Nov 27, 2018, 2:34 AM

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Where on Eridanus II was John from?

unique rune Nov 27, 2018, 2:35 AM

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Elysium City

versed helm Nov 27, 2018, 2:35 AM

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Alright

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Now that i think about it..i wonder if John ever knew about Noble Team

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I also wonder one thing..how did the Flood ever spread throughout the outer surface of Etran Harborage?

knotty kernel Nov 27, 2018, 2:42 AM

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Halo evolutions did a good job depicted the flood as scary

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At least in the video version

versed helm Nov 27, 2018, 2:43 AM

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Then there's the Mona Lisa story

knotty kernel Nov 27, 2018, 2:43 AM

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Yes that

versed helm Nov 27, 2018, 2:43 AM

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Oh

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I still wonder how we're gonna defeat Cortana and the Created

knotty kernel Nov 27, 2018, 2:45 AM

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Explosion probably

versed helm Nov 27, 2018, 2:46 AM

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At this point,i'm thinking that the only way we can defeat them is if the writers throw in some Forerunner or Precursor space magic

knotty kernel Nov 27, 2018, 2:46 AM

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Only the infinity and spirt of fire are the only active ships IIRC

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The infinity could probably take out one guardian but there's frickin dozens of them

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Spirit of Fire is outdated

versed helm Nov 27, 2018, 2:47 AM

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Whatever happened to Battlegroup Dakota?

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Or Expeditionary Strike Group 1

fair hazel Nov 27, 2018, 3:03 AM

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have you been saying that like, 3 times already?

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the way to do it, at least a potential way, has already been set up

versed helm Nov 27, 2018, 3:04 AM

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Does the Unsc have any prowlers left?

unique rune Nov 27, 2018, 3:06 AM

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the UNSC is huge

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of course they have prowlers left

violet sleet Nov 27, 2018, 3:08 AM

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there are alot of huge things but that doesn't mean you can just assume they have left overs

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that sounded alot better in my head

versed helm Nov 27, 2018, 3:10 AM

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I do find Rossbach's World interesting

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I meant

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does the Unsc have any

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novas left

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Better yet...how many Nova bombs does the UNSC have

unique rune Nov 27, 2018, 3:12 AM

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I mean

I can just assume they've got leftovers

given that there's 5 known full prowler classes
and I want to say the majority of the known vessels in each class haven't been reported as destroyed
so

anyhow

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With NOVAs... I wouldn't be surprised if they still had a handful.

rotund pewter Nov 27, 2018, 3:14 AM

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One message removed from a suspended account.

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One message removed from a suspended account.

unique rune Nov 27, 2018, 3:15 AM

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Two known instances of NOVA deployment.
-Joyous Exultation's destruction (unintentional)
-Operation: SUNSPEAR

versed helm Nov 27, 2018, 3:21 AM

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Any proof?

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That they still have some left?

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I need it for a argument

unique rune Nov 27, 2018, 3:23 AM

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Nothing concrete, unfortunately.

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Though making only two of the most powerful explosive in humanity's arsenal sounds kinda dumb.

versed helm Nov 27, 2018, 3:23 AM

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An interesting thought...how different would the Post-War era be if Xytan Jar Wattinree lived?

unique rune Nov 27, 2018, 3:24 AM

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Actually.
Er. Cortana did request one for use during the Battle of Installation 05, though that wasn't granted which I assume implies that there are more NOVAs.

spiral jewel Nov 27, 2018, 3:26 AM

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This is a stupid thought but what if Fireteams Charlie, Zulu and Raven survived the battle of Alpha Halo, instead of meeting their fates to the flood and the destruction of I04 respectively? I know that the lore/story wouldn't change much that I'm aware of..

versed helm Nov 27, 2018, 4:04 AM

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I have someone arguing that I shouldn't use a nova in a post Halo 4 rp.

last anchor Nov 27, 2018, 6:51 AM

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Only reason you shouldnt use a NOVA is if you want there to be anything left standing.
That thing is, quite literally, a planet cracker

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~~Two hours late. Crap~~

knotty kernel Nov 27, 2018, 11:08 AM

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Who remembers Ghost from Halo legends

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Even though he had an episode of development he had one of the most saddest death imo

versed helm Nov 27, 2018, 11:33 AM

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Yeah

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The way he redeemed himself at the end was nice, along with be human

limpid kernel Nov 27, 2018, 1:37 PM

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B e h u m a n

versed helm Nov 27, 2018, 5:18 PM

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Be human

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What was the name of that commander that died defending Actium?

obsidian thistle Nov 27, 2018, 5:24 PM

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https://www.halopedia.org/Akono_Menteith

Akono Menteith

Colonel Akono Menteith was a human officer in the United Nations Space Command during the Human-Covenant War who commanded the 53rd Armored Division at the Battle of Actium in 2545.

versed helm Nov 27, 2018, 5:25 PM

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I do like his speech

obsidian thistle Nov 27, 2018, 5:26 PM

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I like love how thats a rare time new lore came from Waypoint vids xD

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And wasnt 100% just a recap of old stuff from books we knew

versed helm Nov 27, 2018, 5:40 PM

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Also...whatever happened to Lydus after that whole Ealen IV incident?

severe elbow Nov 27, 2018, 5:40 PM

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Hasn't been said.

versed helm Nov 27, 2018, 5:41 PM

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Possibly dead?

severe elbow Nov 27, 2018, 5:41 PM

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No evidence to suggest that he's dead.

versed helm Nov 27, 2018, 5:42 PM

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I guess

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I wonder if we'll find out more about the NCA

feral perch Nov 27, 2018, 5:53 PM

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The only Spartan-IIs who fought the Flood besides Master Chief is Red Team right?

severe elbow Nov 27, 2018, 5:54 PM

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Yes.

feral perch Nov 27, 2018, 5:55 PM

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thanks

keen ravine Nov 27, 2018, 9:17 PM

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Guys, how powerful is a Guardian Exactly.

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like how many infinities would we need to take down one?

versed helm Nov 27, 2018, 9:22 PM

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3

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4 on a Friday

knotty kernel Nov 27, 2018, 9:26 PM

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From what I know a single Guardian can EMP entire solar system

keen ravine Nov 27, 2018, 9:27 PM

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OH GOD.

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So Valiant is pretty much ded

knotty kernel Nov 27, 2018, 9:27 PM

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Don't know how durable they are, or if the infinity mac cannon is going to be effective

keen ravine Nov 27, 2018, 9:27 PM

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Well, Power of Plot.

unique rune Nov 27, 2018, 9:27 PM

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alternative:
ramming speed

severe elbow Nov 27, 2018, 9:27 PM

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Have the Infinity's frigates enter the system, attack the Guardian, make it use its EMP on them, then the Infinity can arrive in-system and unload on it.

keen ravine Nov 27, 2018, 9:28 PM

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Can say that Valiant didn't get affected. and run away with the 3 or 2 Halberds

severe elbow Nov 27, 2018, 9:28 PM

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But then you have to deal with Guardian reinforcements, and the difficulty of recovering the frigates.

keen ravine Nov 27, 2018, 9:29 PM

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We'll just leave ze two Analces behind. Needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

night tulip Nov 27, 2018, 9:29 PM

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oof

unique rune Nov 27, 2018, 9:29 PM

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thonk

severe elbow Nov 27, 2018, 9:29 PM

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The Infinity is going to run out of frigates real soon if it just abandons them.

keen ravine Nov 27, 2018, 9:29 PM

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OI

night tulip Nov 27, 2018, 9:29 PM

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max 10 frigs my guy

keen ravine Nov 27, 2018, 9:29 PM

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I'm using the Valiant

night tulip Nov 27, 2018, 9:30 PM

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unless Eternity gets up and running

keen ravine Nov 27, 2018, 9:30 PM

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With it's battlegroup