Oh
#lore-and-universe
versed helm
civic siren
Okay, so she chose those coords, so it wasnt random
versed helm
also
civic siren
It was the implication of past lore
limpid meadow
Most likely
severe elbow
Probably.
It would be a weird decision, writing-wise, to make his survival look so likely only to say "lol gotcha."
limpid meadow
But we'll certainly never hear from him again or get confirmation of his survival
Which is how it should be
severe elbow
Eh, I'll disagree on that.
limpid meadow
I like the ambiguity.
civic siren
But when you land, you're alone and you find some marines and you're needed. The sense of belonging is there.
limpid meadow
Like, it's 99% certainly, but it's one of those things that works better as not completely confirmed
versed helm
I do wish they make an actual video version of it
civic siren
They utilize you to save the marines
severe elbow
I figure it's a hint to a future story.
versed helm
maybe
limpid meadow
And the second-half of the game is Chief going solo
versed helm
but thats with a lot of halo stuff
carmine sleet
I think Cole is one of the few questions that should be left unanswered, sure he's most likely alive but I don't think we need to know more about him and his time after his disappearance
versed helm
Maybe
civic siren
Who is Cole?
limpid meadow
Where as Halo 4 starts solo, then Chief has some buddies, and then ends with him solo again
versed helm
Maybe cole will pop up riding a odd Marathon Class Crusier killing the Forerunner army
or maybe you just stumble on his grave in a colony
limpid meadow
Admiral Preston J. Cole is one of, if not the greatest leaders and strategists in the UNSC, a hero of the Insurrection and the Human-Covenant War
versed helm
^^^
In the battle of sigma octanus IV he destroyed a entire armada by blowing up a gas giant
severe elbow
Not Sigma Octanus.
civic siren
Ahh thank you
severe elbow
I don't remember the name of the battle.
versed helm
Which battle was it again i forgot
severe elbow
But Sigma Octanus is the Keyes Loop.
versed helm
yea
civic siren
Okay, so @severe elbow , in Halo: ODST, when you arrive to a scene theres already a battle going on and you arrive as a wild card that turns the tide of the battle. But in Halo 4 and 5, it doesnt carry the same weight. It seems like its part of the mission to turn the tide, but in ODST, you're on a mission to find your squad and help out along the way
humble yacht
in Halo 5 if you keep the Meridians alive they give you their tank as thanks
limpid meadow
Halo Wars: Genesis
versed helm
"Ill clear it up with Fleet Admiral Cole"
tbh i would kill for a space battle halo game
limpid meadow
A lot of people would
versed helm
I know that a pc mod exists that does that
limpid meadow
But not enough, seemingly
civic siren
Like side quests in the main story, the underlying mission. Even in Exodus in Reach, you arrive and become highly essential to the UNSC. But in Halo 5 the Meridian missions, you have to help them to gain access to follow Chief
versed helm
yea
i might end up getting it for that purpose
I do love halo ship design
that and the UNSC have a clear "style"
limpid meadow
You'll need Sins of a Solar Empire: Rebellion
It goes on sale often on Steam, though
humble yacht
But on Reach, of course the UNSC is going to consider the Spartans a big help
versed helm
yea true
humble yacht
While on Meridian, there is a lot of anti-UNSC sentiment
versed helm
But the UNSC were good at ground battles anyways
humble yacht
That's part of the planet. You're not supposed to feel welcome
versed helm
which is why the covenant started glassing planets
humble yacht
Yet you end up being super helpful anyway
civic siren
Right! The help is appreciated, not required. You aren't called to a place to fufill a mission, and thats how Halo 4 feels
versed helm
this showed in Harvest where the planet changed hands multiple times until the Covenant just Glassed it
limpid meadow
Your help us required, though
humble yacht
But you were saying that ODST felt impactful because you just show up and help as a side mission?
civic siren
Halo 5 too, you don't end up on Sanghelios as a appreciated accident when its said and done.
You're there because you're suppose to be there
Lmao, and that doesnt feel right. For me anyway
humble yacht
So how does helping Meridians as not part of the main mission not carry the same weight?
carmine sleet
Indeed, without Osiris, Meridian would've likely been much worse for the miners
limpid meadow
And that's Halo in a nutshell
Most of Halo is going to a place because you're told
humble yacht
In Halo 2, you don't end up on Installation 05 on accident
You go because you followed Regret
with permission from Hood
humble yacht
Same with the Ark, really
civic siren
Right, I see what you're saying.
limpid meadow
If there's a difference, I'd say CE-3 Chief is just going where he's told. H4 and 5, he chooses where to go more often than not
He's more proactive.
humble yacht
Or Cortana chooses
civic siren
I guess something feels missing with the new vibes versus the old. The sense that as the player embodying these characters, you're there to help while pursuing a greater mission.
humble yacht
(lol)
civic siren
I feel like Chief could've used more of a personal battle with himself in 4 and 5 then
He just kinda starts free roaming
lmao
Like, maybe turning on the UNSC a little. But I dont like that either, I feel like for his character its too much lmao
humble yacht
They way your explaining it, I don't see the disconnect with the "vibes"
You feel how you feel, sure
But I don't think that's the fault of the storytelling
civic siren
Do you not feel that way
humble yacht
I don't think something magically went missing from the narrative in 4 and 5, no
In terms of a sense of "belonging" and the weight of your presence, I felt that in 4 just like in CE-3
humble yacht
¯_(ツ)_/¯
civic siren
Hahaha
humble yacht
Like I said, you feel what you feel
feral perch
What makes a novel good to you?
low condor
That's a good question hahaha
feral perch
I like it, but some people feel like too many people from other lore were mentioned
grizzled marsh
It does draw a lot from other sources, which I personally think is good. It's also a good bridge between Contact Harvest and the first chapters of Fall of Reach and the Impossible Life and Possible Death of Preston Cole.
grizzled marsh
Yeah, there are a lot of Halo books out there. All sorts of styles and layers of integration with pre-existing lore.
obsidian thistle
Yep so much books, comics, and marketing to go over. You can spend months understanding the lil details
last anchor
Only other series out there with more is Warhammer 40k, and their stuff tends to contradict each other a lot of times
obsidian thistle
Cough cough Doctor Who has a lot of lore
carmine sleet
Indeed, even outside of Sci-Fi, there are other franchises with loads of lore
obsidian thistle
Which spans over 50 years, and even has lost media that is still considered canon apparently.
carmine sleet
It does, my brother is a bit of a Whovian so he gets excited when they find lost episodes
versed helm
Halo lore was pretty simple and straightforward during Halo 3 and before
And then Reach got in and contradicted the first book in the series and from there we introduced forerunners, ancient humans, advanced flood
stuff got really complicated with the forerunner trilogy of books
warm cloak
And this gives more reason to explore the universe.
What was once a fun military-ish future badass shooter became so much more.
versed helm
eventually halo is gonna get to a point where you look like a conspiracy theorist trying to explain the lore
give it another decade
carmine sleet
I'd love to see them explore the idea Frank had where you play as a scientist on a Halo and just go round analysing stuff
warm cloak
This isn't necessary a bad thing. It just opens up more possibility's on upcoming halo games, different sides to see. Different perspectives.
versed helm
That sounds like an app or something
not a fully fledged game
maybe a free2play mobile game or something
warm cloak
I'd imagine i'd be like ALIEN
versed helm
pop up book
We still don't have a game where you play as an elite or marine before the events of halo 3
sangheili centric game taking place ebfore the human-covenant war
warm cloak
Alien isolation, was it? If you were a scientist, you'd most end up playing in that gameplay style. Not really being suited for war, the environment would be your best tactic. If they bring the flood into this, it'd be one of the first actual halo horror games.
Not really sure what a game plot like that would be. Collect important samples vital for surviving the flood but run into the risk of getting ambushed by them?
Or it could sorta be like the game PREY, don't know.
Also, you actually do. Halo 2.
The arbiter is an elite and that takes place before the events of Halo 3.
last anchor
Heh.
Me, explaining the Halo lore to a friend;
"It all started with the Precursors-"
(Six hours later)
warm cloak
Friend fall asleep
last anchor
Basically XD
warm cloak
Friend number uno:"Did you even listen to anything I just said?!
Friend number dos: "Uh..."It all started with the precursors"...?
Friend number dos: I started to doze off after that...
Friend number uno: smacks self in the face 20 times
Friend number uno: We are no longer friends.
"And that's how I never met him again. Questions?"
last anchor
Pff. Its funny because that is BASICALLY what happened.
warm cloak
"What happened after you said that?"
"Well..."
Friend number dos: Okay, nice knowing you. leaves
Friend number uno: This is supposed to make you feel bad, not me!!
Friend number dos: Well, your plan failed.
Friend number dos: Kay, bye!
Friend number uno: ...
Screams internally
"It's best we not talk about it...."
Proceeds to flip table punch the wall
Then proceeds to scream for real, because it happened to be a metal wall
"Yeah...lets not talk about that"
last anchor
You sound like you've had my expereinces XD
Its almost as bad as trying to explain Warhammer to people
warm cloak
Dam this filter.
All of that glorious literature...ruined...by...MEE6.
1c3Bear will remember this
brave rover
I have a list of the errors in the Spartan Field Manual
Here are all of them
On page 62, the Truth and Reconciliation is referred to as a carrier.
On page 84, Operation: PROMETHEUS is dated June 2537 instead of July.
On page 85, the approval of the SPARTAN-III program is dated 2431 instead of 2531.
On page 113, an occurrence of Fireteam Jackknife is written with a single “k”.
On page 141, the abbreviation for the rank Crewman is indicated as “CR” instead of “CN”, repeating the abbreviation for Crewman Recruit.
On page 153, the Sangheili Major and Sangheili Zealot images are swapped with each other.
On page 181, the redundancy “Mark V and Mark V” was most probably intended to be “Mark V and Mark VI”.
last anchor
Yeah most likely. Or Mark IV
feral perch
I looked at a copy in my local B&N and found a typo too
grizzled marsh
The free preview on Amazon has some weird grammar issues too.
dusty pilot
maybe...
solar niche
I dont know much about the Covenant fleet, but in the video, this guy highlights that nearly all of it was lost during the Great Schism. Was it really that bad?
grizzled marsh
A lot of Covenant starships were lost in the Great Schism. And lot more in the civil wars that followed. It's part of the reason why the old Sangheili ships started to see use in late 2558.
last anchor
Oh joy, Eckhartd
grizzled marsh
I don't mind Eckhart. He isn't as clickbaity as Halo Follower and he is more often than not accurate with his information.
fair hazel
used to have a hand in it
last anchor
He is, but I just...dont like his presentation sometimes. It feels...a little watered down, sort of?
Thats just me though, he is far above HaloFollower for sure
Yeah, whatever happened with that Erick?
I noticed you stop being mentioned in his videos
solar niche
I can appreciate that he doesnt drone on. It would be very easy to get very "well actshually" with these kinda vids but he just kinda lays it out and says it in plain text
grizzled marsh
Watered down is a good word. He seems to be appealing to the more casual side of things, which isn't bad itself.
fair hazel
well since i havent been there, i suppose not much has been happening
full forge
What does a Moa burger taste like?
feral perch
Templin Institute is quite thorough and professional
But sometimes it seems like they really try to emphasize individual words as opposed to broader ideas
As far as getting pronunciation right goes, I think
full forge
I haven't seen Templin, but I don't think I like any of the lore channels.
feral perch
Oh?
full forge
I mean, I definitely used to but it feels like on YT in general people are realizing just how far they can push their content.
And not quality-wise.
feral perch
What do you mean?
last anchor
Click bait would be my guess.
Though to be fair thats mostly Follower and, to a certain extent, Xperia at this point
feral perch
Iconic
last anchor
Also Eckheart I guess.
feral perch
Eckhart isn't clickbait really
last anchor
Honestly Im thinking of starting my own lore channel and covering the miltiary and technological applications of UNSC equipment.
Like, theorizing how an MA5 would work in combat and the tactics
feral perch
I'll sub
Anyway, I like it when existing mysteries are explored in the lore
Like the Delta Halo outbreak
full forge
I'm gonna kill someone if I hear anything described at iconic within the next decade.
full forge
wym? I love the Halo series to death, and I love the lore.
...
But I don't like seeing people describe it on YT.
fair hazel
I have to say, I do get annoyed at the overuse of that word
fair hazel
i like lore vids but i experience them myself first
full forge
Honest, I don't regret a penny of it.
feral perch
Never listened to a Halo audiobook myself
full forge
I don't remember it as well if I read them, and it hurts my eyes after a while.
feral perch
Did you listen to Envoy?
full forge
Yup.
feral perch
How was the narrator?
full forge
Sharkoi are frightening.
feral perch
See
full forge
Wym at midnight?
fair hazel
midnight rlease
feral perch
I hear about people doing that, sitting down and reading entire novels in like, one sitting
full forge
Ahhh
feral perch
I just can't bring myself to do that
full forge
My eyes hurt when I try.
So I listen to the audio books.
feral perch
I usually stretch it out to a week or more
fair hazel
i need to know t al
full forge
Asides from smoke & shadow, I think I've listened to every halo audio book on the google play store at least twice.
I think Eaun Morton is my favorite narrator.
Mortal Dictata is amazing, if you want to see if the audiobooks are for you try it.
feral perch
Which books did he narrate?
I didn't like the Kilo-5 trilogy tbh, but I might try listening to Envoy or maybe something like Fractures..
full forge
Ahk.
feral perch
Does Fractures or Halo Evolutions have different narrators for each short story?
full forge
Yeah.
full forge
I don't know about each, but there's definitely different narrators if memory serves me well.
versed helm
I'm wondering..where did Ancient Humanity get enough resources and numbers to fight off the Forerunners for 1k years
feral perch
Aggressive expansion and an alliance w/ the San'Shyuum
obsidian thistle
If the UNSC was too powerful the Human-Covenant War wouldnt of lasted as long as it did.
mortal marten
Yup
feral perch
I think he means post-war... and apparently not bcuz Cortana
severe elbow
The UNSC being on top was always going to be a temporary thing until the next big threat entered.
last anchor
Maybe, someday, the universe will stop throwing stuff at the UNSC.
That day is not now
last anchor
Well yes but
versed helm
Is there any lore for the Field Marshal that follows noble team around in Halo Reach?
I’m assuming it’s just one Field Marshal
carmine sleet
I believe it's meant to be one, but it's been a while since I've read up on the Reach lore
humble yacht
I don't think it was ever explicitly stated that it was the same field marshall but that was the working theory
carmine sleet
Ah, I see
obsidian thistle
Yea by all meams its different FMs every time
But it would suit the story if it was the same.
carmine sleet
Aye, it would make it more personal when you finally get to kill him on the second to last mission
humble yacht
imagine a game where you play from that FM's perspective
carmine sleet
That would be interesting
versed helm
Could even reuse the “From the beginning you know the end” tagline lol
carmine sleet
Doubt they'd reuse the tagline if they made a game like that
last anchor
Would be interesting thouh
limber blade
500,000 years ago, an extremely advanced alien species known as the Forerunner encounter a desperate Human Empire fleeing from the Flood. The Flood is an phenomenally powerful parasitic species with a sole goal to consume all sentient life. The Humans take over Forerunner worlds and begin to engage in a unwinnable 2 front war. The Humans lose, but also severely weakened the Forerunner Empire. The Forerunner High Command tried many methods to stop the Flood infestation, but all to no avail. As a last ditch attempt to save the Milky Way Galaxy, the Forerunner fire the Halo Rings, a mega structure that wipes out all sentient life. Keep in mind that the rings do not kill the flood, it starves it of its food. The advanced Forerunner lose the war and the only reminder of their existence are the remnants of their megastructures. This is where the games begin.
The Halo universe currently take place 500 years in the 2500s. Humanity has established hundreds of colonies in space, however control began to splinter and humanity is on the brink of a civil war. In order to prevent the fallen outbreak of war, a scientist working for the UNSC (United Nation Space Command) named Dr. Catherine Halsey came up with the idea of creating a group of specialized soldiers to sustain human occupied worlds. This idea became known as the Spartan II program and the candidates were young children ages 4-6 who were kidnapped, indoctrinated and raised as soldiers from this very young age. They were then surgically, genetically and cybernetically advanced enhanced once they reached physical maturity. These advancements would either kill or cripple 42 out of 72 of the candidates, and the rest were fitted with the best of the best Mjolnir Armour which wildy improved their already superhuman faculty. Spartans then swiftly became the most compelling force against these rebelling colonies.
IS GOOD?
feral perch
Well, what did you use as sources?
last anchor
Halopedia from the sounds of it
fair hazel
Not half a million years ago
last anchor
So Haruspus got to go to 343 and check out the museum.
I find it hilarious that I am, quite literally, les than an hour from 343's offices, but I cant go there because Im not cool enough.
The irony
versed helm
Get gud skrub
last anchor
Im tryin man. Im trying
unique rune
tweet Grim once every day until you get a visit
don’t actually do that
last anchor
I dont even have Twitter man
quiet dock
tbh a Reach II that was focused on the Sangheili side could work quite well
at least narratively
the downside is having to make all the enemies human
swift igloo
Why did Miranda Keyes park the In Amber Clad in such low orbit above the library??
ember oracle
Because Miranda is not very smart
versed helm
she's grief stricken
you shouldn't expect her to make rational decisions
hence why she went to save johnson in 3
she didnt want to lose someone else close to her
carmine sleet
Johnson was one of the last people to have seen her father alive, that's why they were close in that uncle/niece type relationship
versed helm
im pretty sure he knew her longer than that as well
fair hazel
Host me
fair hazel
Talking to orca
versed helm
ah
fair hazel
Also Miranda looks up to her father a lot and her actions.
I’m guessing
So she wants to sort of in a way do what he did
Keyes took some choices, which If they hadn’t worked would be considered stupid.
versed helm
at least she didnt try to take after her mother
Such classic examples being opening a cache that is welded shut
With ominous implications to said welded door
versed helm
was it ever explained how halsey felt upon hearing of miranda's death?
fair hazel
Yes
fair hazel
Glasslands
carmine sleet
They both are now working with Buck again after the events of Bad Blood
Also, Buck and Dare are now married
tender moss
Awesome. I know that during bad blood there was that “thing” that happened. I won’t spoil but yeah
carmine sleet
I mean, the novel has been out for a few months now so talking spoilers here is ok
obsidian thistle
Yea it can be discussed
swift igloo
Jun is Linda's Nornfang
carmine sleet
No, Jun is a recruiter for the Spartan-IV program
limpid kernel
I heard technicians don't like jokes
unique rune
jokes are supposed to be funny
limpid kernel
Nice joke
versed helm
I seriously can't help but wonder..what race could've built that ship that crash landed on Alpha Halo
carmine sleet
Could've been anything
versed helm
Personally..i believe that it was built by an unknown race that inhabits the Halo galaxy
limpid kernel
It might be chiefs child's ship
versed helm
Another odd thing that i noticed about that ship is how it crash landed on Alpha Halo 60k years after the Great Purification
Which begs another question...what race could've went from being reseeded on their own homeworld to being space faring within that 60k timeframe
versed helm
Another obvious question would be...does this unknown race still exist in the modern era
(Well i gotta go..talk to y'all later)
queen citrus
Is there a difference, lore wise, between the spartan laser in halo 3, 4 and 5?
carmine sleet
Between the one in Halo 3 and 4, not as far as I know
Between 4 and 5, yes, it's a new model of laser
last anchor
I think its the same model, just with hardware updates done as needed to improve its effectiveness.
carmine sleet
That would make it a new model then
obsidian thistle
The Halo 5 model is the "E" version
last anchor
I dont think so. Its still the same M6, just with adjustments done to internal components.
So, maybe it would be the M6D
Lol
Yeah the 5 one is the M6E
(Darn them for making it the M6 like the handgun)
last anchor
Oh yeah...
I mean the number makes sense, its 6x2 so
fair hazel
M6/E
versed helm
You know..there's another thing I've noticed about that crashed ship....was it manned?
feral perch
I recently re-watched that terminal, because the first time I saw it, I just assumed it was some kind of Covenant vessel
But yeah, it might have been automated... But then, why would it be venting atmosphere?
grizzled marsh
Wasn't there a rumour for years that it was created by a race of sentient bears?
feral perch
I like that idea
dusty pilot
"Smokey" should be the Captain lol
obsidian thistle
It was not sentient bears. Lol that was based off the Catalog debunking that cause a user was having a laugh.
versed helm
Another though that i have is....could the mystery race that crash landed on Alpha Halo still be around in the modern era
rocky breach
Is Halo 5 EVER coming to pc?!
versed helm
shrugs
vast cloud
master chief best video game guy ever
of all time
@rocky breach no ofc not, literally they are working on halo infinite
I like halo as an Xbox exclusive tbh
grizzled marsh
Halo Infinite is a Windows 10 product, meaning it's probably coming to PC as well as the One.
vast cloud
i get that
but I just love that it’s a Xbox exclusive because Xbox is the console I grew up on and halo is what I grew up on
severe elbow
This isn't the chat for this.
echo pine
The ship that crashed on Alpha Halo looks like a reaper. Mass effect na dhalo are in the same universe confirmed
Mass effect takes place in 2183. Maybe after the end of 3 everyones minds are altered and some crazy stuff happens and boom halo
severe elbow
@rocky breach Please don't try to bypass the filter.
rocky breach
Oh I'm scared...
versed helm
@rocky breach he told you not to bypass it so you bypass it again 
@severe elbow the honor is yours 🔨
stone lichen
┬─┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ)
hexed stratus
question: can an orbital defense platform fire at the surface?
hexed stratus
and is there any canon that opposes/establishes that most of UNICOM's forces on Earth in late 2552 would have been sent to New Mombasa once the UNSC realised that it was the Covenant's main target? Like I'm assuming most of the Earth's Army and Air Force garrisons fought and died around New Mombasa otherwise... what were they doing?
severe elbow
Fighting around several other spots on Earth over the course of a month, like Cleveland, Havannah, Antarctica, etc. Most of the Home Fleet was steamrolled by the Forerunner Dreadnought.
last anchor
Pretty much
Also I dont think an orbital platform can hit the ground, it would have to reorient entirely and thats not something easily done in a space station that big and ascymetrical
carmine sleet
That was a ship using missiles, not an orbital MAC platform
versed helm
*asymmetrical
last anchor
I think it was a MAC, just not an orbital defense one.
Missiles dont tend to over-penetrate like that did
versed helm
It was MAC
carmine sleet
I think that Theron was thinking of the target designator
warped fiber
No. At the end
versed helm
It just said from orbital defense platform
carmine sleet
Oh, that was a MAC cannon but I think that was likely from a frigate, like Orca said
versed helm
It didn’t specify if ship based or orbital satellites
warped fiber
Idk, frigate MAC need the shields to be down 1st
versed helm
Did they have shields at that point? I can’t remember
last anchor
Probably not with the Longswords that got sent after it
Otherwise why would it have moved?
warped fiber
There was nothing in the area that could take it out
last anchor
Exactly. So why did it flee three Longswords?
warped fiber
Then again, bungie was pretty inconsistent with reach
last anchor
To say the VERY least. You could almost FEEL the exhaustion and want to move on in it.
Annnddd then they went to Activision and Destiny got turned into a meat puppet.
RIP
warped fiber
I will say, I wish 343i would rewrite halo fall of reach, the flood, and first strike
warped fiber
The events the same, but how they happened to match up better with current lore
versed helm
it matches up fine
warped fiber
Idk, having it were humanity 1st encounters hunters in the battle before reach is off putting
feral perch
I know, retcon
last anchor
Since for the most part Hunters tend to wipe out whatever unit they face
warped fiber
And 1600 marines being wiped out because the jungle and fog was to thick for satellites, that was so unrealistic. Satellites today are super strong. And if those somehow don't work, the unsc does have drones
feral perch
it's not even the first recorded encounter
last anchor
Thats what I remember anyway
(Shrug)
Fall of Reach could use a bit of tweaks, but a rewrite, I dont think so
feral perch
And Elites had green blood in The Fall of Reach
warped fiber
Well it did get tweaks, but it wasn't enough really. You can easily keep 70% of the book as is, but with the authors better understanding of military tactics and procedures, I feel like we can get a better description out of it.
I'll say, halo the flood when it came to how the marines operated was far better the TFOR and FS
For Diaz spent time in the military
last anchor
Ye. Funnily enough the books people bring up as "actually feeling right" are The Flood and Kilo-5.
Of course merely mentioning Kilo-5 is enought o get most Halo fans to start throwing stuff at you
warped fiber
I actually liked kilo-5 from a military and realistic standpoint
Of course you would keep the species that almost wiped you out as distracted as possible
feral perch
I don't know very much about realistic military tactics or that kind of thing, so that never bothered me when reading Nylund's first two works.
The characters and plot were primarily what I cared about
warped fiber
Because halo Ghost of Oynx showed that even during the war with the brutes, there were many elite factions that still wanted to continue fighting humanity as well
versed helm
chess, shogi, and go
you could write about military tactics knowing either 3 of those games well
last anchor
Most of the issues with Kilo-5 come from the handling of Halsey
feral perch
so that's what I cared about in Kilo-5 and the Flood, and well, yeah
last anchor
Which admittedly is acurate but...the fandom did not like it much
feral perch
His eulogy for Marvin Mobuto was just bizarre
versed helm
loool
feral perch
Chief usually doesn't waste words like that I guess
obsidian thistle
You do know Marvin was so close to the Index right
warped fiber
Yeah. Halo: The Flood should have just focused on the PoA and it's crew and the Covenant, with Masterchief bouncing in and out from their perspective
feral perch
Yes
feral perch
@warped fiber I actually like that idea
versed helm
human blood is clearish yellow before oxidizing
obsidian thistle
Like I worked out the exact general area in the Level he made it
versed helm
im saying it could have been a certain state of the blood
feral perch
Hmm
So if someone is shot or stabbed in space, would they bleed yellow?
The Elites may have bled in space in TFOR
versed helm
depends on how much oxygen levels are where they're bleeding
feral perch
@obsidian thistle "the exact general area"
versed helm
cause it can range from yellow to dark maroon depending on how old the blood is
or if it's homogenized then it could still have that reddish tinge
warped fiber
Karen Traviss flaw was she only read summaries of the books prior and the games.
feral perch
the articles on Marvin Mobuto on Halo Nation and Halopedia are the exact same
interesting
warped fiber
They copy each other
warped fiber
Yeah, Traviss didn't give the respect to halo like she did gears of war
feral perch
She probably liked Gears more
severe elbow
The thing is she basically built the EU for Gears.
warped fiber
And the clone wars too. Till Lucas arts threw away all her work for the TV series
feral perch
TV series is great though
except the more I watch episodes now, the less competent the Clone Troopers actually seem
Their aim is almost as bad as Stormtroopers tbh
Like, compare those clones to Captain Fordo from the 2003 series
or the ARC troopers
warped fiber
It is, but the thing. Traviss had everything built for she was on the team in charge of the lore for that era. But to make things more "fun" they fudge her work and made her Republic commando books non canon
feral perch
ah
warped fiber
But I won't go further. This is halo, not star wars
last anchor
Bitter about that too? Yeah, same.
To be fair, Traviss is known for not doing research on whatever she works on and basically running from the hip.
feral perch
huh
last anchor
Which is fine if shes given a series with no/little lore (GOW for example, where she literally made EVERYTHING, and RepCom, same deal more or less)
But she smacked up against Nylund and existing authors for Kilo-5 and it did not go over well. Hence why Lucy seems so weird and Halsey is painted as a moron
And why an ODST could legitimately think about killing her and not having ONI wipe his brain and do worse
warped fiber
Anyways. When I read Halo: The Flood, I skip all the Masterchief parts. It's actually a very good books when you read it that way. Diaz is a very good writer and I hope they give him another chance
warped fiber
^
feral perch
Osman seems.. off, in Spartan Ops. Like, meh.
warped fiber
As being someone who served in the US Army, I would have shot Halsey as well and I am in complete support of the Spartans IVs
Kidnapping kids to make into soldiers is wrongs. Cloning them to give to parents is even worse
carmine sleet
It's especially worse if the clone doesn't die when intended, like with Daisy and her clone
full forge
I would have been happy for Vaz to shoot Halsey.
feral perch
It's been a while since I read it
but I don't agree with that, Halsey is too important to kill off, and not quite the monster Traviss made her out to be
full forge
I don't know that Traviss did.
I think Traviss made her perceived as a monster.
i mean, bb noted that she spends about half the day looking at a picture of miranda sobbing.
severe elbow
Traviss' personality for Halsey in Glasslands is pretty inconsistent with where Nylund left her in Ghosts of Onyx.
feral perch
BB was the best part of the Kilo-5 trilogy
full forge
Prone to Drift?
feral perch
I think so
full forge
Yeah, because the crew refers to him as "Prone"
last anchor
She did some good stuff, BB and the Huragok and Osman as a character
And fleshing out ONI
But boy oh boy did she not know how to write Halsey
Hence why you never give Traviss someone else's character to write
warped fiber
Honestly though. If Traviss took the time to read Tfor, fs, and goo before writing her books, it would have been a 10/10 trilogy
full forge
Yeah, a lot of people didn't like Lucy suddenly getting her voice back just because she got really mad at Halsey.
full forge
Conclude?
warped fiber
Well she lost it because of shock. To be fair, it was all mental
full forge
Mhm.
warped fiber
But she is a great character in that new book about onyx
feral perch
yes
feral perch
yup
severe elbow
There's an argument to be made that Lucy getting her voice back so "easily" undermines how difficult it actually is for someone to overcome that kind of trauma.
full forge
^
warped fiber
So getting her voice back helped legacy and last light
severe elbow
She was barely in Last Light.
full forge
Yeah, I wish she and Tom made a bigger appearance.
last anchor
Agreed
full forge
also
warped fiber
Yeah
last anchor
That said having Lopis and the Gammas made up for it
full forge
how the hell does everyone fit into the warthog in Last Light?
last anchor
My guess? Crammed in the back
carmine sleet
Troophog?
last anchor
Like six drunk frat boys in a pickup
full forge
But it had an LAAG
warped fiber
Did you notice how they gave the troop hogs armor plating in last light
And then called them apc warthogs
full forge
When was this?
warped fiber
If you have the book on kindle, type apc
full forge
Nah, I listen to the audiobooks.
warped fiber
Ah
severe elbow
Then type APC in the audiobook.
warped fiber
Also found it funny how the marine unit had that reservist feel to it
Running around with MA37s
last anchor
I always figured that was just what they had on hand.
Considering most MA5s were probably lost on the fields of battle
warped fiber
Naw. This was after the war. The 313th wasn't a frontline unit.
It was more a rear detachment force
A support unit
Like how in the us Army, combat arms units all have M4s and M4A1s while support units have M16A2s
Now I would like to talk about the UNSCs lack of armored transport and vehicles. Don't even have any LAVs or IFVs
last anchor
Though the difference between the M4 and the M16 is a little bit more than the MA37 and MA5s but I get your point
And they do, we just never see them in game.
Halo Wars 2 has the Mastadon and there's mentions of others too
To be honest they also dont have any tank variation, the Scorpion is way to light for an MBT
It seems more like an air-droppable light tank to me.
The Grizzly's a good step forward but its a little TOO heavy
warped fiber
A main battle tank (MBT), also known as a battle tank or universal tank, is a tank that fills the armor-protected direct fire and maneuver role of many modern armies.
And the thing is. The Scorpion is 30% bigger then a M1 Abrams
Also, the MA37 is called the MA5 by Marines and Navy
And the Grizzly can be airlifted
But the pelican uses tow cables to carry it as seen in halo wars 2
last anchor
I thought the Abrams was like 120 tons, the Scorpion's 66
Thats super light for a tank isnt it?
warped fiber
Depends on what metal is used
The Scorpion uses titanium mixture, Abrams uses steel. Which is heavier
For the same level of protection
last anchor
Fair enough I suppose. Not to mention whatever futuristic armor composites the UNSC pulled from Covenant manufacturing secrets
At least for the new model
warped fiber
Yeah for the Halo 5 scorpion is 50% lighter then the Halo 3 one
Still, why is the scorpion so huge
Like when playing Arma 3, using it on a realistic setting, it's size hurts it. Makes it a easy target for CAS and man portable ATGMs as well as in a Armor warfare setting, it can be spotted before it can spot the much smaller Abrams
low idol
and why dont they all use railgun tech?
warped fiber
I had a friend who is a engineer, I can't remember what he said, but railguns on anything smaller then a Capital ship isnt that practical compared to a normal kinetic gun.
I think that is why the rail gun is almost useless on anything but a mongoose
Only useful to use the railgun as a one shot sniper in Halo 4 and 5
carmine sleet
I think it's more that railgun/gauss weapons aren't widespread in the Halo universe at the size of a Scorpion
low idol
doesnt really make sense to have the tech on a warthog and not a tank. why use a less powerful weapon?
warped fiber
You did have the Scorpion with 40mm chain guns for light AA and also MLRS rocket system.
Well to be fair. Why me and my guys in my arma unit concluded was... bungie went for what looked cool and not was realistic
low idol
pretty much, i honestly doubt in the era of having ships that can warp around galaxy, the military will still be using 7.62 ammunition
warped fiber
Like look at the MA5 series. Why are they so huge. You can see with the DMR or even the BR or even the M6D, they don't need such a huge electronics package on it to do the same thing such as a smart link and such
Like seriously there is no reason why the guns need to be so bulky
Halo 2 tried to streamline everything
But 9.5 mm ammo is so unrealistic
Especially how small the cartridge is
Like why are the GPMG and MMGs in the Halo universe 7.62 when their standard cartridge is 7.62
low idol
would like to see them make some weapons that are made for Spartans. like make a hybrid railgun/firearm kinda like the chemrail rifle in the elysium movie.
warped fiber
To be fair. All the weapons are made for Spartans, why they are HUGE when marines carry them
But honestly I would have liked for chief to carry weapons designed for him, and then when needed, use weapons ment for regular humans and have this small looking rifle on him
clever fable
"looking cool" is a big design goal in a lot of Halo material, though yes it does get on my nerves as well. The Mantles Approach's big gun still doesn't make much sense. 😫
warped fiber
But seriously though, it I was the ones making Halo weapons, the AR would have been 5.56, the BR would have shot 6.5mm, and the DMR would have had 7.62
Would have made those 60 round and 36 round mags more believable. And how hard they hit and shoot in game, the damage more believable as well
low idol
that dmr should fire at least .338 😁
warped fiber
I know talking with Ken from 343I. He and Grimbrotherone was thinking about reconning the weapons to be like that, maybe just do it for Halo 4 and 5, but the Artist who did the MA5D put 7.62x54mm on it
@low idol then it wouldn't be a Designated Marksman Rifle
But a sniper rifle
DMR need to be able to be used as front line weapons if push comes to shove.
low idol
the round doesnt determine the weapon type. example browning .50cal machine gun & the barret .50cal sniper.
theyre almost the same thing anyways, a dmr and a sniper
limpid kernel
how do the pelican carry warthogs?
unique rune
magnetic mount
limpid kernel
can spartan armor be magnetic to the pelican
unique rune
sure
limpid kernel
that is aweosme
carmine sleet
Not sure why you'd want to transport a Spartan like that though
limpid kernel
maybe the pelican is too full xd i just find the fact funny that its possible
quartz smelt
you could do something like rvb
warped fiber
@low idol I can tell you from real life experience, that DMRs and sniper rifles are not the same thing. They are very similar, but they are not always the same. Like the M14 is a Battle Rifle, but it's used as a DMR. To be honest, you can equip a ACOG to a M16 and use it in a Marksman role.
Snipers, they are far more fine tuned and ment to hit ranges further out and specialized
low idol
ok, but that doesnt mean using a 338 makes it a sniper. like the example i gave, the round doesnt necessarily determine the weapon type. they sell 338 AR uppers
warped fiber
True. But the AR 15 means Armalite, not assault rifle.
An assault rifle is a selective-fire rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine while battle rifles use full powered rifle cartridges.
The .338 is a high power rifle cartridge.
Which I find it funny for the Halo AR is called an Assault rifle when it doesn't use intermediate cartridges.
Though technically the BR round could be a intermediate cartridge like the AK round is.
last anchor
They are "kurz" style so I think they migh be
They're 9.5 but they're shorter than a 7.62
warped fiber
Well the Russian 7.62 is shorter then NATO, making it a intermediate cartridge.
But still. 9.5mm and 7.62mm as standard is silly. How heavy each UNSC soldier must be on ammo only
low idol
i know i know, i have a ar-10 .308. the point i was originally trying to make was, it would be cool lore wise, if there were larger caliber weapons designed specifically for spartan use(there could be, im not super well informed on the lore). they should be able to handle a firearm far better than any standard marine.
the DSR, designated spartan rifle
last anchor
The M6D was the "upsized" Spartan model, hence why it looks so huge in the hands of a normal human
So theres at least one
obsidian thistle
There is also a upsized M6C also. Thats the Halo 2 model
The normal M6C is the ODST version without the silencer
last anchor
But the G model is the normal one, hence why your Spartan's pinky sticks out around the grip cover
low idol
hmm didnt know that it was upgraded for spatans. but isnt the caliber the same, says the magazine is?
last anchor
Yes. You can have a different weapon accept a standard magazine.
See; NATO 5.56. The Amralite-style mag you see in M16/M4s is standarized across much of NATO now
The old M249 could actually be fed from them
low idol
yes but they are all firing basically the same bullet, with different loads. i was talking about larger calibers, and weapons built from the ground up, i guess.
something so powerful a marine could basically not handle.
last anchor
Those dont exist yet, at least I dont think
Probably because Spartans do just fine with standardized UNSC equipment. More than likely we'll see more as time goes on
low idol
🤞 one day hopefully these spartans will have a spear to go along with their shields
(not a literal spear)
last anchor
I disagree. Ive always figured giving a Spartan a melee weapon is an excellent use of their capabilities.
See; Space Marines in Warhammer who rely heavily on melee.
I was thinking a machete but a spear...
A futuristic, possibly Forerunner enhanced spear...
fair hazel
ohhhhh
[I dont like the overating of Katanas]
but now, instead of spartans having a machete or something like that... a spear?! Ohhh!
last anchor
A katana would be useless to a Spartan. They need something far more versitle. Hence, the combat knife
fair hazel
Katanas are overated honestly
last anchor
Or the afformentioned spear.
Actually maybe a poleaxe of some kind. A combination thrusting/blocking/slashing weapon
Bonus points if its intuiation driven like MJLONIR is and the Spartan can make it operate with a thought
fair hazel
Spear would be fitting because, spartans
paired up with the hard light shield, and a type of hard light spear that the spartans can call upon, maybe even throw
Oh my that idea!
last anchor
Now your talking
warped fiber
There is some people who truly believe all the M6's look the same. Like the M6G looks exactly like the M6D and what not
last anchor
I think not
warped fiber
Because they use the M6G for Halo CEA and why did 343I used the low poly CE pistol in halo 5 instead of updating its texture. I know it's a throwback. But they could at least have done a visual upgrade to it
At least they had Halo 2 Anniversary update the BR55
So that fits
obsidian thistle
Um its the M6D in CEA. The M6G textures were edited to say M6D.
So there is 2 different types of M6D.
The Halo 2 and 5 version. Which use the og design.
And the CEA version. Which use a design that is close to the M6G design in Halo 3. But says M6D on it and also has a lighter shade of gray on it compared to the M6G in Halo 3.
low idol
lol okay fine, give these spartans some new age spears
last anchor
Spartan Charge 2.0; now with spear action
versed helm
There's one thing that i can't get over,if Earth had 300 ODPs then why did Reach only had 20 of those things?,considering that it was the military heart of the UNSC?
feral perch
Expenses? Overconfidence?
versed helm
I was sort of expecting that the UNSC would've defended humanity's most populated colony a little bit more,better
grizzled marsh
Hmm, maybe it's a population thing? Earth had 10 times the population of Reach (roughly), so 10 times the ODPs?
last anchor
Not to mention more important stuff. Reach was a military stronghold and had the fleet.
The ODPs would be secondary. Earth had ODPs to spare because it didnt have the same size fleet
Of course its more or less elementary when the Covenant are involved.
grizzled marsh
True. We don't really know what the size of the Home Fleet is in its non-emergency form. It's possible that it was tiny compared to the Epsilon Eridani Fleet.
versed helm
Or at least how many ships remained in the Home Fleet once Truth's fleet arrived
last anchor
Not many. Most got pulped at Reach
versed helm
I'm gonna tell the truth
Hunt the truth season 1 is the greatest piece of Halo lore ever released
warped fiber
we do know that the Covenant going straight from reach to earth did save humanity's economy for the vast majority of the inner colonies were bypassed
hexed stratus
I feel like the lore is a bit inconsistent there hey, Hood says "Earth... is all we have left" but Cascade was fine from memory and I'm sure others were too
quiet dock
It's the human race, Earth is the best defense and economic center, and if it falls, everything is doomed
hexed stratus
surely in history there are examples of a capital falling but then that power reclaiming its capital with attacks from other bases in other locations
quiet dock
You say that like the covenant would be done
hexed stratus
yes true
I forgot humanity only won because of a combination of many lucky factors
warped fiber
It's funny, but the covenant didn't destroy as much as human space as Bungie liked us to believe.
Humanity expanded in a bubble around earth. The covenant showed up from one direction of that bubble. Even if everything from Harvest to Reach fell, you still have all the other colonies past earth when earth fell. So all in all, with the Inner colonies being missed, Earth still had an easy 60%+ of its colonies and territory left
versed helm
And we all know that Hood exaggerates a lot
dusty pilot
he might be getting Senile
brisk cape
While territory-wise the Covenant may not have destroyed as much as is commonly thought, losing whole worlds and billions of lives for a race that had just made first contact after a relatively peaceful expansion would still be absolutely devastating even if 60% of territories were still untouched.
last anchor
A lot of humanitys worlds were pretty fairly underpopulated too. So now a lot of those worlds have to pick up the slack from the mashed industrial centers
versed helm
I still like to know what the population of Mars is..i'm betting it's somewhere in the low billions considering it's one of humanity's first colonies
versed helm
You know,i had another thought about that unknown ship that crash landed on Alpha Halo.....what if the mystery species that built that ship,whoever they are could've been the "unidentified assailants" that attacked Crecka in the System of Miasmic Giants
Any ideas?
mortal marten
obsidian thistle
I'd prefer if the unidentified assailants were linked to the aliens who actually left I04 alive.
orchid kettle
@versed helm Because 300 is another number that gets referenced a lot in Halo
Because Spartans
versed helm
But i still can't get over it...what race crash landed on Alpha Halo
feral perch
Dustin Echoes
queen citrus
Must likely a covenant scouting party or test pilots.
feral perch
No, it was thousands of years before the formation of the Covenant. I think.
grizzled marsh
Yeah, it was about 40,000 BCE when it crashed. Interesting to note is that Guilty Spark says its design bears similarity to the designs of "seven distinct species".
low condor
Do we know what happened to the Flood outbreak on Delta Halo?
I thought the Gravemind appeared in High Charity because The Flood gained enough biomass and they have this "hive mind"
(I couldn't imagine transporting the Gravemind from Delta Halo to High Charity and that was the most logic why I could think of)
hexed stratus
I'm not sure if I understand the question so I'll just say a bunch of facts and see if they answer the question
- The Flood outbreak is unexplained (I believe) but it went unchecked enough to allow a Gravemind to form from, as you said, sufficient biomass
- During the events of the Battle for Installation 05/Great Schism, the Flood took over the In Amber Clad and crashed it into High Charity, from there taking over the city
- (I think the following is true) The Gravemind has no real physical location. Anywhere the Flood is, once the Gravemind exists, then the Gravemind is there too. The Gravemind IS the Flood. His 'form' in the Gravemind cutscene is I think just for intimidation purposes
quiet dock
For all intents and purposes if the gravemind took over Hight Charity he could have found a way to take his biomass from Delta Halo onto High Charity
Since the flood super cell can adapt to any purpose it needs it theoretically could have just dissolved the gravemind form into a bunch of pure forms and walked aboard
obsidian thistle
Well it was more Amber Clad getting infected and then It crashing into High Charity releasing infected Pelicans. There was probably some infected Covies in the mix also that arrived also.
There is also the Covies who believed The Flood to be a gift from the Forerunners and willingly got themselves infected... a part of lore that is very much obscure
low condor
To form a Gravemind, the Flood needed to gather an amount of biomass. What I was wondering is how it could transport that biomass from Delta Halo to High Charity.
I like the "pure forms" argument. I think it's the most solid one.
low condor
And about the Flood outbreak on Delta Halo. I was referring to what happened to the Flood outbreak on the ring after Halo 2/3
obsidian thistle
It was glassed and put under heavy watch.
It is very possible Flood still exist there
low condor
The original Delta Halo Gravemind resided deep under the Library. So it could be alive (?)
Maybe he used the same method he used to transport Chief to High Charity. But that doesn't make sense because he would be able to do it from the start.
hexed stratus
Yeah Delta Halo was glassed by the Covenant Separatists I believe (Elites) while they fought off the Brutes
carmine sleet
It was the Elites, they also blockaded the Halo as well to try and ensure nothing slipped out the system and spread the Flood
hexed stratus
is the only way to get definite lore answers these days by posting in the Canon Fodder Q and A forum?
there's so many things I want to know that I know aren't covered by the media up to this date
limpid kernel
i think i forgot to ask this but lorewise would 3 marines be able to handle a single elite?
left depot
Depends on the situation and what kind of elite. And what weapons everyone has.
limpid kernel
marines with assault rifles vs an elite minor with a plasma rifle
left depot
If they had cover, the marines could probably take that. Assuming the elite was alone and not particularly intelligent. Otherwise, they could probably rush the marines or use the cover to their advantage with the shields
swift igloo
1 ODST vs 1 Spec Ops Elite
last anchor
Most Elite minors, as multiple sources have noted, tend to be aggressive and cocky, looking for a fight and kills to rise in the ranks.
3 Marines would be able to defeat it easily with combined fire tactics
versed helm
@obsidian thistle Who’s Owen B096??
obsidian thistle
A new Spartan that is gonna be in Battleborn
grizzled marsh
It's Canon. Battle Born is a new book coming out in two months
night tulip
Probably knock off
OH
I thought u mean the game
I was like oh cool crossover wtv
swift igloo
Source?
grizzled marsh
For the book: https://www.halopedia.org/Halo:_Battle_Born
For the character names: https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/cassandra-rose-clarke/halo-clarke/
versed helm
They should just release all the names of the SIIIs right now
grizzled marsh
Actually, is posting links fine or nah?
versed helm
Yes
last anchor
So its...not the Spartan from Fractures?
Bugger.
swift igloo
That looks interesting
last anchor
Oh well, another Beta Company survivor would be good
Please dont die
last anchor
Fairly close to Lucy too. Huh
versed helm
Ima change my GT to Lucy O91 now and bully every Owen in the UNSC clan community.
last anchor
Thats what Im worried about
night tulip
probably dead in the first act
grizzled marsh
Maybe he survives...and then dies on Reach.
night tulip
Oof
feral perch
Hey, did someone say that the Halo Wars timeline had some kind of error in it?
grizzled marsh
Does it?
feral perch
I don't know.
versed helm
I wonder...whatever happened to Harvest after the war
Did the UEG ever attempt to de-glass it or something like that?
last anchor
Not that we know og
stable drum
Are omega team washouts ? And rehabilitated?
versed helm
Anyone wanna discuss the unknown races that inhabit the Halo galaxy
carmine sleet
There isn't much to discuss on the unknown races other than that they're unknown
@stable drum No, they survived along with the rest of the S-IIs according to Halopedia
versed helm
I actually wrote down a list of what unknown races were mentioned in all the Halo media that was released within the last seven years
carmine sleet
Ah, I see
stable drum
So they aren’t washouts
carmine sleet
They aren't
stable drum
Kool
versed helm
It seems like i can't find my list of unknown races
Anyone wanna help me recreate my list?
Anyone?
obsidian thistle
Oh @carmine sleet and @stable drum we dont know if they are Washouts. They are in the limbo of unsure like most Spartan-IIs.
obsidian thistle
I may edit that a lil later today to make it slightly clearer
I have a few ideas
versed helm
Did the Covenant ever destroy races that either were too hostile or refused to accept the Great Journey
warped fiber
We do know Red Team in Halo Wars were wash outs. And it's possible that Black Team were washouts as well for they were off the books to John and the other spartan teams after the argumentations. But they may only have been wash outs who "died" on paper and survived and were successes in reality
carmine sleet
Black Team's deaths were faked by ONI to allow them to operate independently from the rest of the S-IIs but they all survived the augmentations
warped fiber
That's what I'm saying. They "Died" to keep them off the books
warped fiber
Well that's the thing, the term washout basically means they either died or rejected the initial argumentation. The members of Red Team from halo wars were some of these members. And Halsey's journal mentions in time they would be able to revive all the Spartans who died during the argumentation and bring them back into service
I'm saying, on paper, black team died and were counted as washed out. But in reality they didn't die or reject the argumentation.
carmine sleet
Faking one's death isn't the same as actually dying though, Black Team were successfully augmented but ONI faked their deaths to allow for them to operate under ONI supervision. The rest of the S-IIs were unaware of their condition until after the end of the war
warped fiber
I guess you don't understand what "on paper" means. It's means exactly what you explained.
Like if you were an analyst looking into the members of black team, it would say they died during the argumentation process and that Black team does not exists on any logs or records. Hense on paper.
Off the books though, black team is alive and well and kicking butt.... till the Didact Slaughters them
obsidian thistle
@carmine sleet no source has stated Black team were washouts or their deaths were faked. That was a weird assumption on Halopedias part till I fixed it
carmine sleet
Ah, I see
obsidian thistle
Yea it makes perfect sense yes. But till confirmed we simply do not know
warped fiber
Well the thing is, black team was not considered one of the teams that was under John's command during the Battle of Reach. All active teams were recalled except for Grey Team. Black wasn't one of those teams recalled or even counted on the active duty roster
And who knows what team of S-II was on Tempest that was working along side the S-III team when Reach fell
We do know, Since Apparently Spartan Nicole is a real spartan (though the DoA event is not) that there was a 2nd Class of Spartan-IIs being trained when the Spartan III Beta Company was being trained.
warped fiber
Only way to count for all the Spartan IIs there are floating around. Even if the class was super small, it would help pad out the numbers
versed helm
Do you guys think that Gen III MJOLNIR is going to be widely used during Infinite?
no doubt
obsidian thistle
Hard to say
versed helm
gen3 is described as "favorite classics the spartans loved", and 343 said they were going back to a classic style
warped fiber
We do know Spartan Nicole's birth year is 2531, Kat's is 2530, and Lucy is 2533. So it falls pretty well that the 2nd Class was trained around the same time as Beta Company.
obsidian thistle
343i teased Mark VII a lot prior to Halo 4. And we got GEN2 instead. Sooo 343i could pull that again
versed helm
Because I've read that Gen II has been retconned from Frank's statements as the absolute superior to Gen I to more mass-produced knockoffs
also, while black wasnt listed under john's command, dont forget the altercations black and red team had during training
"knockoffs"
they werent separate classes
CIA, what were the major abilities of the Mark VII of note?
I remember Naomi having physical strength levels in her novels being unusually high
like crushing brute skulls, tearing apart thick steel like an orange
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The thing with IIs is that from what they're designed for (infiltration, boarding vessels), strength is far more useful than what we would consider it to be today
if only noble 6 had Mk7
wew buddy
He might've lasted a little longer, but other than that I'm not sure
@versed helm Does a SIII flipping a warthog in SPI sound too reaching? I'm curious
Not if it’s game physics. Rolling it over? Sure
No spartan can flip a vehicle (except maybe mongoose)
But rolling it is plausible as long as it’s not a tank
And nah. 6 would have lasted much longer with gen7
Considering they were using a side grade of mk5
Which had very low shield regen rates
And low strength enhancement capabilities
Don’t forget the user-healing capabilities mk7 has
warped fiber
A warthog I can see a Spartan in Power Armor doing. But anything heavier, no.
The SPI armor, it is semi powered armor that even ODST field during Stealth ops. So it does improve the users strength slightly like the exosuits in CoD, but it wouldn't give them super strength.
You know, to be honest, why isnt the ODST armor not semi powered armor. You can see the Nightfall armor with that movie with Locke that the armor he wears is semi powered. Though the Halo 3 ODST armor does look like the body suit could be semi powered, but there is no lore on stating that the armor is.
You figured for a element of shock troops meant to cause havoc behind enemy lines, you would give them armor that can increase their fighting capabilities, even if it's just a fraction of a their strength.
versed helm
And to be honest, that's a sound tie in as an explanation to how Noble Six is still alive in a cave Theron
Sound work
carmine sleet
Can we just let Six stay dead
versed helm
@warped fiber his armor is not ODST Armor
They look similar, but they’re different
Well, it is Technically ODST, but it’s a variant that’s powered
But it’s not the traditional set
warped fiber
All I'm saying is this base ODST armor should have had the same capabilities
versed helm
No because this is built on MJOLNIR
That wasn’t related to the conversation what so ever
@low condor
dense oyster
Doesn't Nightfall take place post-war?
Is semi-powered armor known to have existed during the war?
I could see it being easier to make armor that's powerful enough to kill a non-SPARTAN wearer, i.e. MJOLNIR,
than to make armor that's actually safe
obsidian thistle
Nightfall is post-war.
last anchor
SPI is usable by non-augmented humans as well (Veta uses it)
My guess is any ODST suits built following the war are at least semi-powered. Someone said that the 2552 version (from Halo 3 ODST) was powered, hence why ODSTs can rip turrets off their stands and haul them.
Thats just gameplay I know but
night tulip
That would make sense though
versed helm
SPI was used during the war
@dense oyster
it's relatively old tech from what i recall
night tulip
Most SIIIs were given SPI
versed helm
indeed. i think only two or three units had mjolnir
night tulip
Except special cases like noble or some of the headhunters
night tulip
Why waste super expensive military equipment on an entire company when they are expendable spartans anyway?
Case in point: Alpha company
Exhibit B: Beta Company
versed helm
despite them being technically superior in terms of augmentation
i feel it was more a choice because there could be more of them
it wasnt fiscally feasible to give them all mjolnir
night tulip
True and those augmentations increase in effectiveness over time as long as the SIII is Alive tho
warped fiber
Anyways, the UNSC had semi powered armor for decades. And I'm shocked, with many nations like the US and Russia working on exosuits right now, I'm shocked wonder why not all of the UNSC military force wear some form of semi powered armor.
night tulip
Honestly same
There was that prototype Mark 1 Mjonir suit the marine “ghost” used in halo legends
He used it without augmentations
Fully powered
last anchor
That was made after the war started.
I think it was just a case of "we dont need it cause we're not fighting anyone who requiers the use of powered armor"
Until the Innies got so bad the Spartans were conceived
Because before that humanity didnt really fight itself much. The Diamonos Diaspora was fairly peaceful
The last great conflict was the Interplanetary War and that ended with the UEG becoming a thing
The Innies only started to get really bad in the 2400s Im pretty sure
warped fiber
I wonder how the Planet Gao was able to kick the UNSC off their planet during the Insurrection wars
@night tulip the Prototype armor is almost like the Power Armor from Fallout and even the Starship Troopers in the books
last anchor
I dont think the UNSC was ever "kicked off". I think Gao has always been independant.
feral perch
the community update on Waypoint is broken
warped fiber
@last anchor if you read the book last light, they actually fought against the UNSC during the Insurrection
last anchor
I remember. Im just saying they had parts that were indie to begin with. They weren't ever super loyal.
They actually broke during the events of Last Light
warped fiber
I remember they fought against the CMA and was able to win for the CMA was super spread thin
“If General Nyeto had been afraid to fight when he faced the same odds, Gao wouldn’t be a free world today.”
“The situation was different during the Insurrection,” Aponte said. “Gao was only one small part of the war, and the Colonial Military Authority was spread thin. Today—”
“Today we are in an unthinkable situation because six weeks ago, you surrendered without a fight,”
So pretty much Gao fought the CMA during the Insurrection, won and gained independence. Then the UNSC shows up after the end of the Human Covenant war and asked if they could investigate some ruins and the Gao government agreed.
So Gao had been without UEG support since the Insurrection
carmine sleet
@night tulip That wasn't Mjolnir that Ghost used, that was an entirely different set of power armour that eventually lead to the creation of the Mantis
last anchor
And the Cyclops.
Hrrunting/Ygdrissal MK I
The former lead to the Mantis and the latter the Cyclopse I think right?
@warped fiber Thanks for clearing that up for me, I didnt really know what was going on
warped fiber
No problem
Yeah, I think who ever did the Halopedia article on Gao didn't catch that conversation I think.
Also this line is pretty cool
Near the entrance to the presidential office, the armor-clad image of General Hector Nyeto stood on a fiery hangar deck, chomping on a cigar and smirking at the demolished remains of a Colonial Military Authority AV-14 Hornet.
night tulip
@carmine sleet really? It looked eerily similar to the concept designs for mjonir in Halsey journal
carmine sleet
It wouldn't surprise if there were some components of Mjolnir but it's a separate thing to Mjolnir
versed helm
Hi
night tulip
Hello there
tawny ermine
ONI did nothing wrong
warped fiber
the Prototype was a development of the predecessors to the MJOLNIR Powered Assault Armor, which was designed for use by the SPARTAN-IIs; as a result of this legacy, it bears some similarities to the Mark I exoskeleton developed in 2500.
Or so Halopedia says. All the sites they sourced this from are all defunct now.
versed helm
Another question...what is the United Earth Space Corps?
Because i'm thinking it's nothing more than a brief nod to the Marathon games
limpid kernel
Marathon is like Halo you play as master Chief and kill aliens
warped fiber
So there was a big debate with the development team of the Halo mod for arma 3. The debate is whether the marine armor in all the halo games are the exact same armor model and only look different because of artist interpretations and the advancements of graphic technology, or if each BDU you see in the series is completely different from each other.
carmine sleet
Each set of armour we see in each Halo game is canon, it's just different BDUs
warped fiber
Well the thing is, from halo 2 Classic to halo reach, the helmet ie called the CH252
So going off that logic, the halo reach armor would be called the M52B just like it is called in halo 2 and 3
And that the reach armor is graphically the most complete look of the armor
I'm for each model being separate, but the other side of the debate does make a compelling argument.
Especially since Bungie themselves stated H3 marine armor was the same exact armor as the halo 2 armor, just worth the advancements of art style and tech from halo 2 to 3, they were able to improve on the design
But it is possible the Halo reach body armor is called the M52B, but the halo 3 varriant had been adapted to suit a more tropic environment
But until 343i addresses this and gives each halo game's marine armor an official designation, we will never know
Half the reason I wish I worked on 343Is lore team. I would address all the extremely minor things that drive lore fanatics nuts
limpid kernel
Like does chief really tear off grunts arms and use them as maracas
dusty pilot
He should use them as bait to lure other species to him.
obsidian thistle
The BDU in each game is not the same model.
Maybe they are under the same family of armor
But they aint the same model. By all means Halo 2 classics design may be the "A" variant of each set. And the Halo 3 design may be the "B" variant and so on. 343i are known to bring that sorta thing into the lore
obsidian thistle
@warped fiber right now however we just have the name of the Halo 2 classic set parts.
*That includes underwear lol
If the Halo 3 armor was the same the label on the Halo 3 crates would have changed its image to account for the Halo 3 armor design
limpid kernel
What about the Halo 1 design
obsidian thistle
Thats still canon due to Halo: The Graphic Novel with Jenkins wearing the body armor of it.
limpid kernel
But i mean if Halo 2 is A then what's Halo 1
limpid kernel
Lel
warped fiber
Well the thing is, Bungie stated during the development of Halo 3 that the Halo 2 and 3 armor is the exact same armor. Just the advancements of art styles and techniques and technology they could make something far cooler. So the Halo 2 Classic armor look in non existentant. Only reason the crates were from halo 2 is because bungie ported them and were to lazy to update the image. Which we seen bungie cut corners before.
And I remember it being stated in a interview that the design of the Halo reach marine armor was to be a updated design of the Halo CE armor. There was 10 years of advancement between the 2 games, that would easily be the case.
obsidian thistle
As said however I aint doubting its in the same family
They can all very easy be
CH252 helmets
M52B Body armor (the B however may be variable)
VZG7 Boots
But a variable in which each variant is a new letter to them.
warped fiber
Oh yeah. Like the artist who work on the halo mod for arma 3 was showing me how similar the halo 3 and reach armor is. Like the armor frame is the same, especially in the back of the 2 armors. Just you have certain armor stripped and added to the whole set.
So it's very possible that the Halo 3 and Reach armor is the exact same armor model, just the armor configuration is different.
obsidian thistle
343i has in the past retroactively added letters to stuff to showcase they are different. The Halo 4 Warthog design for example is M12B
warped fiber
Yeah. We are just waiting for 343I to do the same with vehicles.
Armor*
It seems like vehicles and weapons get all the naming love
warped fiber
Pish. The Arma 3 mod focuses of the Rank and File and my Halo community focuses around that mod. So that's what we really want to know
obsidian thistle
The Encyclopedia and Military Police Helmet is the closest we get to anything. And the Encyclopedia is a mess due to several factors.
Bar one off comments here and there.
warped fiber
Basically the whole debate is that we want the dev team to add the Halo 3 armor to the mod (they have it made, but are sitting on it) and they stated there is no point for the Halo 3 and Reach armor is the exact same armor and only look different because artists interpretations like how it was for Halo 2 to 3.
And the reach armor is the most up to date interpretation
One of the Devs is a dev for the Sins of a solar Empire halo mod, so he can get a bit over zealous
obsidian thistle
There is differences between the armor however. Wont be the first time there was things that looked similar but ultimately are different.
Made quite a few sly changes on Halopedia due to that annoyingly
warped fiber
That is what I tell him and he is like, until 343I or Bungie says something about it, he won't change is mind
warped fiber
He also is a bit pev that 343I relied to much on Halopedia is making some of their visual guides. Like the long sword. And how they stated how C709 and the C712 as different Varriants when infact those were nothing more then the tail numbers of the fighters for they were painted onto the hull. Yet somehow someone took that as a model number on Halopedia and 343I rolled with it when they were making the visual guide
I noticed how Halopedia doesn't have the UNSC army Rangers up as an article on their page up or updated the page talking about the branch with them too.
obsidian thistle
That is on my list
last anchor
To befair the Rangers didnt exist until the Spartan Field Manual came out
obsidian thistle
My huge list of 632 articles to fix up and create
*It gets bigger if I add technical stuff. To the thousands.
warped fiber
If I knew how to fix and edit, I would help. I seem to be the go to lore guy for a lot of the Dev team for the Halo Mod for I can say I spent most of my teenage life and all my adult life focused on halo and lore
obsidian thistle
I have a few plans in mind for 2019 to make editing really easy on the wiki.
warped fiber
To bad we can't get Ken up on this channel often. He is the Halo lore guy now, especially since Grim just got promoted. He would be on the OPTRE discord a lot talking about lore
Even joined my community on one of our ops
Mentioned us on one of the community updates.
obsidian thistle
You know what I'll try and speak more often there. :)
obsidian thistle
I was already there xD
warped fiber
You know I wish this channel would let us post pictures and videos. You figure that being able to show what we are talking about so other people can understand would be important here
Ah okay
obsidian thistle
To easy to abuse my friend I am afraid.
obsidian thistle
Psst I aint going against them btw.
warped fiber
Haha
versed helm
Moderation is moderation.
Imo pics don’t have to be allowed everywhere. Simply where it makes sense
This is a channel where it makes sense
Also the link cooldown is in effect on this channel as well. So it makes it hard when sourcing things sometimes
Server moderation is an active and involved process after all
warped fiber
This discord has more mods then any other discord I been on
obsidian thistle
I'd personally recommend not discussing this here tbh. Thanks.