IT also works as a good way to rally troops. Spartans are iconic for their size and armor. Youw ant them to stand out amongst the battlefield. inspire hope on the battlefield
#lore-and-universe
versed helm
woeful sierra
Right. In a campaign just look at regular humans and how far down you have to aim to look them in the eye. Only people that really challenge Spartans in height are NBA players
To be fair only four current players match or surpass Master Chief’s height in armor
orchid kettle
@woeful sierra The thing is, Spartan-IVs are only as large as they are because their limbs have been lengthened
As opposed to undergoing a sort of super puberty
And if their muscles are enhanced thanks to the polymuscle material thats grafted onto them
Then they dont need to be large to be strong
Thorne is downright skeletal when you compare his weight to Chief’s
orchid kettle
I like the idea of them
pearl raven
(exaggeration)
orchid kettle
But problem is, Brian Reed being in charge of big projects like Spartan Ops and Halo 5
Certainly doesnt do them any favors
pearl raven
yeah
orchid kettle
Like, people are totally fine with Crimson for the most part
Because the second you say that that character is them, players get plenty attached
But my issue with the IVs is that their augs are a lil TOO silly
versed helm
Let’s not target brain reed please.
orchid kettle
Its one thing to just be “an olympian with a super suit” as Frankie once described them
But the Field Manual makes it sound like IVs are too perfect to die
versed helm
You can criticize decisions, not the decision makers
orchid kettle
They dont age, they barely have to eat or sleep, they cant be poisoned
It sounds horrifying in a way
orchid kettle
I just kinda wish that Frankie kept to the idea that IVs are 90% their super suit
versed helm
I’d love to never have to eat
orchid kettle
Because at least a supersuit can be disabled or lost
pearl raven
@versed helm really?
versed helm
Only eat when I feel like it.
pearl raven
food is my life
versed helm
I like eating
pearl raven
right next to Halo
versed helm
But I don’t like having to eat
orchid kettle
Not to mention the idea that IVs are expected to be in their prime for at least a century
Imagine signing yourself over to the military for the next 100 years.
orchid kettle
If you even survive that long
pearl raven
that would suck
orchid kettle
I think the reason why the IVs kinda bother me in a way is because each generation of Spuds had their own identity
ORION was a failed attempt, and the candidates are otherwise indistinguishable from the rest of the defense force
IIs are the few, proper supersoldiers
IIIs are the mass produced suicide troopers
And IVs are kinda just Spartan-II-2
Because being huge and in MJOlNIR was kinda the II’s whole gimmick
Or rather, ORION-2
It makes ODSTs seem even less important
versed helm
I have a thought..would the NOVA Bomb violate the Geneva Convention?..assuming the UEG/UNSC still use it in the 26th Century
carmine sleet
It would violate the Geneva Convention if it existed today
unique rune
versed helm
im fairly certain they still follow them
considered halsey's considered a war criminal for her acts of the spartan 2 program
orchid kettle
No one can punish you for violating anything if you blow up the entire planet
Ya know, the Rebel Council or whatever in Silent Storm still really bothers me
Aside from the previous idea that the Insurrectionist elements were hardly related to each other outside of seeking independence
I kinda dont like the decision to reintroduce Cole’s wife
The appeal of that character, at least as I understood it, was how mysterious she was, and how she doesnt resurface until way later in the timeline
Some people also pointed to her faction as the “correct” way to rebel, because as far as we saw, she only attacked proper military targets
But in Silent Storm, she’s associating with a faction that blew up a civilian cruise liner
last anchor
Probably out of neccecity because the other option is to do their own thing on their own and get absolutely smoked by the Covenant for their trouble
They've got the titanium-hard rock of the Spartans on one side and the fanatical plasma-spewing hard place of the Covenant on the other
Hence Nyeto's attempts to kill the IIs
fair hazel
i was glad she came back
i like the Spartan-IVs and like that the notion that theyre mostly armour is dispelled
versed helm
Tbf, Spartan IIs are already pretty light in the weight department
And when I mentioned size to strength I was mostly talking about the IIs. They didn't have their muscles reconstructed. They were introduced chemicals that made the bulkier and denser.
Seriously, Master Chief's strength to weight ratio is ridiculous. He's only 290lbs at 6'10"
But his muscles despite having less mass than most strongman lifts far more
Also, the augs the IVs were given are far more intrusive than the IIs. IIs augs when it came to muscles were to introduce chemicals and hope the body does the right thing with them.
IVs had things replaced, lengthened, and reconstructed
versed helm
@versed helm "only 290lbs at 6'10"
only
sure his muscle density is extremely high
but 290lbs at 6'10 with that physique is extraordinary
Give me a bit. I'm still unpacking
versed helm
For a guy with really dense muscles. Being only 290lbs for his height is pretty light. That would mean Chief would have to have a wiry body to be this weight
Though, I might be including body fat in there. Spartans are sure to have a ve5ry low body fat
versed helm
Also, gene therapy on the IVs making them live longer makes sense and is not too far in the realm of science fiction. We already know how aging can be stopped
We just don't have the tech to do it
The fact the IIs didn't have this same gene therapy is kind of surprising, but I do guess Fall of Reach was written like 17 years ago
Tech was way far behind and we don't know as much as we did before
Titanium covered bones makes sense. Titanium is the only known industrial metal the human body won't ever reject. I had titanium screw3s placed in my femur after I broke it.
Hmm, after abit of research I now realize ceramic carbide is literally just Titanium
Titanium carbide to be exact
pearl raven
how
HOW
did you break your femur
ive never heard of anyone break that one before
carmine sleet
Any bone can be broken, I know someone who broke their upper jaw from falling off a bike
versed helm
Lol
What a coincidence
I broke my femur falling off a bike
It's the end of the femur though and not the long part
The part connected to the knee
feral perch
The knee bone's connected to the - thigh bone, the thigh bone's connected to the...
full forge
hip bone... the hip bone's connected to the...
versed helm
Stomach bone
main frost
woeful sierra
Here I thought SIVs had less intrusive and intense augmentations because Gen2 Mjolnir was better than the Mk IV that SIIs were designed to use
feral perch
the stomach bone's connected to the... thicc bone
last anchor
THICC
obsidian thistle
I know enough about Biology to know some stuff not labelled is not normal in the body.
Lets say its very intrusive and some stuff I would not want in my body.
fair hazel
However those tactical roles
Defensive ones.
They mention structural hard light shield emitters and constructor beams as equipment defensive Spartans use
I am very curious on their nature.
limpid meadow
lol, I hear "tactical roles" and can only think of rolling dice 😛
fair hazel
Hah.
limpid meadow
But yeah, I love defined Spartan combat roles
Halo 4 gave us some detail, specifically with Specialization, but it's nice to have more
fair hazel
The one that has me the most interested is that one I talk about right now.
obsidian thistle
Note to self when I finished phase one of my image rename scheme on Halopedia, roles and rank roles will be getting pages.
fair hazel
I sort of almost imagine fortnite style Spartans. From the image of structural hard light emitters and constructor beams
limpid meadow
Well, there's still only 1 rank in the Spartan Branch
But different titles/roles
Though that can get confusing with the combat roles too, now
fair hazel
Well there’s spécialisations and tactical roles now
fair hazel
There’s tactical packages and support upgrades as well. So not to confuse tactical roles and tactical packages. And not to confuse tactical roles with the rank roles
The two , or three? Biggest things about the spartan field manual for me where. Knowing the infinity did have factorie(s), tactical roles. And rank roles
Tactical roles, especially the defensive one
obsidian thistle
Yea there is a few pages I need to make on Halopedia. I plan to start with normal ranks and expand to Specialisations and roles
brittle gorge
Hey, just out of curiousity, would ONI ever transfer a researcher to the marines, even if the researcher is better suited as a marine rather than a researcher?
limpid meadow
I imagine it would heavily depend on the context.
Essentially, why is this researching being transferred?
And what kind of clearance did they have?
Lot of questions
pearl raven
well
brittle gorge
The researcher is getting transferred to the marines to serve as a marine
limpid meadow
How come?
brittle gorge
"Due to her unusual skills for a researcher she was reasigned from an ONI researcher to the marine ranks where she could put her skills in use"
limpid meadow
What kind of clearance did she have before?
brittle gorge
Those skills being "Highly trained in Infiltration, intelligence, research missions, she is an excellent Sharp shooter / sniper. Trained to survive in the harshest of environments"
That i do not know
limpid meadow
How high was she in the ONI chain?
Because that would be a major factor, I imagine
brittle gorge
The character is 25, how high would she reasonably be?
limpid meadow
Depends on her knowledge
humble yacht
Is this an existing character or an OC?
limpid meadow
I'll be honest, it feels odd that a researcher would be transferred at all in that manner.
I think it more likely she would be attached to a secret or black-ops unit where her skill could be used and her knowledge would be useful
brittle gorge
It just feels wrong to me that oni would transfer someone to the unsc who was a researcher in oni
And transfer them into the marines
limpid meadow
Same
humble yacht
It'd be more plausible that they would just turn that person into a Sec 3 operative like Locke
limpid meadow
^^^
Like, I could maybe see them planting an operative in a standard marine group for some reason
brittle gorge
That's kinda what i was thinking would likely happen too
limpid meadow
But an operative, not a researcher
A researcher, I think, would be more likely to get attached to a squad, likely a secret ops squad of some kind, rather than transferred
humble yacht
I'd wonder why'd they be in a research position when their apparent forte was militant activity
brittle gorge
Alright. Thanks for the help!
limpid meadow
Well, if they were more valuable as a researcher, I could see that happening
brittle gorge
Honestly, i question half the stuff i read there every day
humble yacht
brittle gorge
No
Small reddit roleplay
By small, i mean at most 40 active membets
I'm one of the mods in charge there, so i wanted to know if that would fit lore
brisk cape
??? is curious
last anchor
Oh boy don't open it up too much, all of the self-insert OCs would get absolutely MAULED
low idol
any more theories on what GRD in the morse code from the infinite trailer could be?
brittle gorge
Yeah no, unless i approached the mods about advertising the server here, i won't really mention it much, except to ask for lore advice like i did earlier
And, unless we lost nearly all of our members, i really wouldn't bother
brisk cape
The GRD helmet is teased again lol
obsidian thistle
Funny thing about that GRD helmet, its that GRD isnt actually the helmets name. Its the name given by a guy who spent 1 post detailing his efforts to unlock the helmet via the GRD textures in Halo Reach
versed helm
Alright, I'm just gonna say it
Spartan Field Manual is great
Also, I didn't notice the detail of telomeres lengthening
That's why they'll stay in their prime for a long time. As long as they keep getting their telomeres lengthened they're nearly immortal
humble yacht
Oof. that eventually leads to cancer, though
versed helm
Yeah
I was about to mentiont he cancer
Though, I'm pretty sure they already have the cure to cancer
If they have the tech to lengthen telomeres than it is almost certaint they have the tech to cure cancer
humble yacht
Accumulation of senescent cells (i.e. cells that stop dividing because telomeres are too short) is but one aspect of aging
there are many others that would prevent spartans from being immortal
Long-lived? sure
humble yacht
At the cellular/molecular level, you also see mitochondrial and proteomic deficiencies in aged organisms
versed helm
At least I'm pretty sure that's their heart
It's far higher than normal. The center of the heart is level with the nipples
Also, it's been moved more to the right
I wonder if they did this so the thickest part of the chest plate would now protect the heart.
brisk cape
Wouldn’t surprise me if they did.
last anchor
I mean it makes sense to me. Probably helps increase blood flow efficency too
night tulip
It would make sense
Tho, I was under the impression the IV’s procedures were FAR less invasive than the IIs or IIIs
Maybe it was just an artistic mistake or liberty taken idk
versed helm
They were indeed less intensive overall.
versed helm
You know...would the Spartan programs also violate the Geneva Convention..especially the Spartan IIs and IIIs?
this was already asked
@versed helm (just answer)
はいはい。 @versed helm technically yes, while I'm unsure if they still follow them, don't forget that Halsey is labeled as a War Criminal for her role in the S-II program. so it's safe to assume that they do, and they are
fair hazel
they are unethical
fair hazel
i thought of something
not shown in gameplay but the pulse grenade produces an attentuation pulse
i wonder if the guardian is similar
carmine sleet
They do produce attenuation pulses according to Halopedia
orchid kettle
They produce tickle pulses
as evident by how effective they are in Halo 4
So, whats this about a "Halo Omnibus"?
versed helm
It’s the bus that drops all the Spartans off in battle royale
reef plank
Kacau
rotund pewter
One message removed from a suspended account.
thick cape
I have a question. Is there a book or comic that explains how the covanent was formed?
severe elbow
The book Broke Circle shows it a bit.
thick cape
kool, thanks
radiant sphinx
CE Anniversary terminals shed quite a bit of light on it as well (that, or was it Halo 2’s terminals?)
unique rune
Halo 2's, I think. The CEA terminals are mostly about Spark's service on Installation 04.
fair hazel
I also recommend halo mythos @thick cape
thick cape
neato
last anchor
Halo Omnibus. I hope thats a real thing
obtuse void
Omnibus?
versed helm
Omnibus is Latin
It means “for all”
In print media it refers to a single publication containing all volumes/chapters of a previously split media
Basically. It would be as if The Fall of Reach, The Flood, First Strike, and Ghosts of Onyx we’re all in a single book bit could be referred to as an omnibus volume
last anchor
Hence my hopes such a thing is real
obsidian thistle
Minor lore request time in hope to get a tiny piece of lore. Does anyone here have the reach console?
I am in need of what the decals on the console say.
Cause lore dictates that its a oddity in-universe.
limpid kernel
Question
In Halo 2 why were they doing promotions in a mac station?
And more importantly was chief gonna get something
carmine sleet
The promotions were for boosting morale of the troops, Chief was there for the reason Johnson said "Folks need heroes"
limpid kernel
So where does lord hood go usually
carmine sleet
He's busy with meetings of the higher ups of the UEG and UNSC normally
obsidian thistle
Guess my hunch was right. We have new lore kinda. https://twitter.com/sangriaman/status/1057742375915790336 https://twitter.com/sangriaman/status/1057741988529930242
The Reach Console is essentially a in-universe item called a "Archive Reader T4"
carmine sleet
That's cool
obsidian thistle
There is a lot to understand and dig with this.
last anchor
Considering that the Legendary edition of Reach indicated the game was an "archive of noble team", this makes sense.
The archive disc goes in the reader
obsidian thistle
Limited edition does that. The Legendary edition does other cool stuff.
That said I do love how most of Halo Reach's physical stuff has in-universe reasons for stuff.
last anchor
Agreed.
To be fair the Limited came with the Legendary, it just had the statue to boot
Cause the limited was just Halsey's journal and the evidence bag
Dear 343; can we get another Halsey's Journal style thing? PLZ
obsidian thistle
The Legendary Edition did come with a crate full of lore.
Like almost the whole crate was canon.
With the furthest dated thing in Halo. https://www.halopedia.org/images/b/b7/Journal_Package_Letter.jpg
15 January 2610
last anchor
The crate itself was canon
obsidian thistle
Yep
last anchor
Which was super dope.
I still have mine in my closet right now
obsidian thistle
It was the shipping container of the in-universe statue we are meant to give to Ms. Bjarne. Shame she will never get it 😉
The weirdest one however is the reach controller... I have no idea what a "Type: M70" is. And it would be hard to make a page over it on Halopedia lol
versed helm
Perhaps it’s the classification of the controller, given that the console is technically an archive reader
night tulip
@limpid kernel Usually Lord Hood would be in Australia at ONI and HIGHCOM headquarters overseeing UEG and UNSC activities and strategy
limpid kernel
what would have happened if lord hood died
radiant sphinx
Could compromise Chief's mission regarding the strictness of jurisdiction of whoever succeeds Hood, even then I wouldn't intervene in whatever Chief has planned lol
Even considering the fact that Hood didn't want the mission in Halo 3 to proceed because of it's risk, I'm assuming not much would have changed
night tulip
@limpid kernel Lord hood would be replaced by someone promoted to his role. Yes he is an integral part of the military, but ultimatly he'd be repalced
severe bone
Replacements? This many years in the war, who isnt?
last anchor
Thats how the military works
clever fable
It'd be cool if we ever got revised details on how good/bad ships are at accelerating. It always seems so generalized. UNSC and Covenant ships are only ever just fast enough, or just not fast enough. Forerunner ships have a few scenes in their trilogy where they move at low relativistic speeds, but it's never given an explicit number.
obsidian thistle
Soooo we have a possible way Jun got off Reach now. Interesting.
This tweet Chain
https://twitter.com/franklez/status/1057827348676919296?s=19
Twitter
versed helm
Well now
last anchor
If its from Frank then its as close to solid canon as we can get
versed helm
that "how did he get into orbit" comment
the million dollar question
last anchor
My money's on stolen Phantom/Spirit/Banshee. Heck he probably didnt even have to sneak, just found one that had been left behind by a dead pilot
dusty pilot
Joshua's Banshee
last anchor
As cool as that would be, Im pretty sure it was obliterated by the nuke he carried
carmine sleet
It was destroyed, no way it would've survived a nuke
pearl raven
in the Halo universe, give me an example of something that would survive a nuke
last anchor
Forerunner facilities, for the most part
Certain Covenant ships
Remember the UNSC has various levels of nuclear ordinance, ranging from the "football" Fenris we were just talking about all the way up to the NOVA
With everything in between.
Havoks, Shivas, I think Howlers might be nuclear tipped in certain cases
obsidian thistle
And thats ignoring all the Forerunner integrated advances
last anchor
Indeed. Naquida-style ordinance, anyone?
I kinda wanna see an event in-game that the Daybreak visor was made for. Accidental viewing of orbital nuclear detonations? NICE
feral perch
Sounds like SILENT STORM might have inspired the Daybreak visor actually
last anchor
That was my thoughts honestly
night tulip
I doubt anyone would survive a NOVA
Any structure any ship
Maybe the greater ark or forerunner capital maythrillian
limpid kernel
does master chief hate elites
modest marsh
He hates what they have done to humanity, but I don’t think he’s xenophobic so much as he is practical
last anchor
He sees the foe. He kills the foe. He moves on. Thats it.
No personal attachment, no emotional drive. The mission, finishing it. Done.
last anchor
Hes not emotionless, he just doesnt let it get in the way of his operations.
Thats part of why an S-II is so effective; they can lock their emotions away and stay completely tactical, whereas other soldiers can let it bleed over and loose their cool (see; Hoya on Requiem)
limpid kernel
i just though, why is halsey call chief one of the best if hes not the best?
last anchor
Because hes not the best at anything.
Kelly is faster. Lindas a better shot. Fred is a better tactical commander and at stabbing.
Kurt was kinder and had a sort of sixth sense for trouble. Jorge and Sam were both stronger
limpid kernel
yeah, so why is chief labaled one of the best?
i cant remember what it was said exactly but it was him and noble six
last anchor
Oh, thats just Reach's stupid "hyper lethal vector" crap.
Means he killed a lotta dudes
night tulip
Lucky
He has the forerunner geas
He has plot armour built Into his character
Six was hyper lethal among other SIII
But chief is lucky, has forerunner DNA and all that stuff
Literally anyone on blue team could outdo him in one thing or the other
And even then, blue team used to lose a lot to green team during training
limpid kernel
chief's pretty lucky that he gets to keep that title
last anchor
Geas is different than DNA
brisk cape
His luck and ‘drive’ separate him from the other Spartan-IIs. But it’s specifically stated that other Spartans were better at different things as others stated above. Kurt-051 had a sort of ‘sixth sense’ or a very refined intuition which allowed him to get a better ‘feel’ of the situation than other Spartans. Iirc, Chief himself says/thinks that Kurt would have made a better leader than himself in one of the books.
modest marsh
I mean, in a practical sense, Master Chief is the best because he’s had more opportunity than anyone to show that he’s the best
Being the main character and all
versed helm
Lucky green boi
modest marsh
Constantly doing things that would most likely get anyone else killed
brisk cape
In game yes, but in the lore the other Spartans were just as capable of amazing feats just as he is.
modest marsh
Nothing really compares to the absurdity of what happens in the games
night tulip
Such as Linda upside down sniping elites out of banshees with a rope tied around her leg
brisk cape
Exactly.
modest marsh
Yeah, I mean, that’s fantastic within her skill set, but like, Linda also died
night tulip
Kinda.
Linda.
Chief is an all round spartan, master of none, jack of all trades
Luck and opportunity are on his side
brisk cape
Basically.
night tulip
The “absurdity” of the games doesn’t really compare to some of the absurdity in the books
Saying someone died isn’t a valid proof of feats
Circumstance and mission parameters and something nobody can predict are huge factors in who dies and who lives in the field
modest marsh
Alright, let me rephrase then
Chief has never been critically wounded from being shot on a mission before
modest marsh
That wasn’t a critical injury
night tulip
Without bio foam
modest marsh
And the bleeding was stabilized
night tulip
It would’ve been
modest marsh
That’s completely irrelevant?
modest marsh
Because she was already clinically dead
night tulip
Chief was never the most skilled spartan, or the last. Only the luckiest
John would’ve been dead too without biofoam treatment
Also as I’ve said before, getting shot or not is not a proof of a feat
modest marsh
Chief was still operational for the preceding moments of the mission, no amount of field resuscitation would’ve made Linda ready to finish the mission
night tulip
That doesn’t mean chief is better than Linda in skill, marksmanship, strength or speed
modest marsh
Well, the circumstances were also different, Chief was walking into a choke point from an enemy already aware of their assault
static trench
If a Grave Mind has memories from previous grave minds, can't they just evolve themselves to achieve their prior abilities they had as Precursors?
iirc, one of the didacts that was being talked to by a grave mind had felt that he talked to it before
when it was really the precursor he talked to before
fair hazel
the only medal he hasnt gotten is the prisoner of war one
night tulip
In terms of pure skill, everyone on blue team is better than chief
In terms of strength, Sam
modest marsh
I really doubt that honestly
night tulip
In terms of speed Kelly
In terms of marksmanship, Linda
CQB? Fred
Why do you doubt that when the proof is in universe
night tulip
Chief himself said so
static trench
"John would’ve been dead too without biofoam treatment" so would have lots of other spartans, lol
yeah but you get what i mean
all spartans have it
modest marsh
You’re picking specific specializations they have as if that encompasses the entirety of combat skills and aptitudes
fair hazel
John has had the purple heart
fair hazel
Johns the good leader though. and hes well rounded
night tulip
^
night tulip
He also said Fred and Kurt would be better leaders
static trench
isnt that a matter of opinion though?
modest marsh
There’s no statement in the Halo canon that Chief is average in any capacity
That’s an assumption made
fair hazel
The guy says it, he was always the guy to make the right call
night tulip
He’s admitting his own faults the only reason Fred was never shown to be the better leader was because he hated the spotlight
modest marsh
We don’t have any reason to believe it one way or another
Fred is explicitly flawed in his leadership skills himself
fair hazel
John talked about himself and others
but um...
These are spartans we are talking about
average?
That`s like, an average chess master
night tulip
No one said John was average mag
modest marsh
They have pros and cons individually speaking that they might not consider
night tulip
Chess grand masters is the term ur looking for
John was anything but an average spartan
modest marsh
“Jack of all trades” is a descriptor applies to Chief, yes?
night tulip
Yes it is
modest marsh
I’m suggesting this is fallacious to ascribe it as fact
night tulip
He is adept at all things, but not master of any particular thing
False
Jack of all trades is relative
If we excluded blue team from the spartan ranking I have no doubt John would be on top. He’s anything but average
static trench
I'd go with someone well rounded in each field but not perfect, rather than rely on someone who is good at one specific thing and not much anything else any day
static trench
im speaking on 1 person, not a whole team
night tulip
Ah I see
night tulip
But the reason they are specialized is because they are meant to work in teams
Wel
Except Linda and grey team but
They are kinda outliers
static trench
When I saw that Halo 4 cutscene where red team ran down the mountain, that was the absolute biggest let down
that should have been chief's moment
night tulip
Wait what
feral perch
um
static trench
iirc, it was red team
night tulip
When did red team run down a mountain in halo 4?
feral perch
wrong team and game there chief
static trench
Locke and co right?
night tulip
-__-
modest marsh
Osiris
static trench
and i meant halo 5
night tulip
That’s Osiris in halo 5
static trench
lol, my bad
modest marsh
Not red team
static trench
Ah
night tulip
Colours are spartan II teams
static trench
Welp, i pictured them right but got names confused
my bad
but yeah
that should have been Blue Team
night tulip
Mmm maybe
static trench
but then again, i did hear that 343 thought that fans got tired or bored with MC
night tulip
Honestly that cutscene looked like something out of RVB freelancers
static trench
I hope we see MC pull off some badassery in the next game
night tulip
Spartans are supposed to move like that yeah but it’s awkward when chief has never done that in previous games
static trench
that poor excuse of a spartan fight was disappointing 😦
night tulip
Oh you mean the two drunk men punching each other
It was like the slowest hand to hand scene ever
Even for normal humans
Forget genetically enhanced
static trench
if the floor wasn't made of forerunner materials, i'd say it should have dented more
and doesn't MC had way more experience under his belt than Locke?
limpid kernel
chief didnt want to kill locke
static trench
i know but still
night tulip
You can disarm someone a lot faster than that
static trench
MC seemed to have been lacking in reaction and defense in that fight
night tulip
Without killing them
night tulip
With state of the art nuclear powered armour
And exoskeletons
Like
Neural implants as well which made reaction time and faster by sending the electrical signals from the brain straight to the armour
static trench
Cortana made a hard light shield to protect MC, imagine the other insane stuff she could pull off if she had of enhanced MC directly?
probably the only AI the humans had that could do such a feat
night tulip
Well she was unique
night tulip
She was beyond a smart Ai
static trench
#BringCortanaBackToTheLight2019
night tulip
She might be manipulated by the composed digital didact rn
night tulip
LP?
static trench
Logic Plague
night tulip
Ah
Well according to H5 she cured rampancy, I thought the domain also helped cure the logic plague
I know the forerunners has trouble with the logic plague
But since the domain is precursor, I thought it would have an answer to that
static trench
hmm, i see
makes sense
i wonder what made her get like she is now
something went wrong
limpid kernel
i remember someone had a theory that one of her emotion fragments were the one that got caught in slipspace
night tulip
Or the real cortana is dead and this is simply one of the broken fragments that she cut off when trying to overload the didacts shield
static trench
Slip space?
limpid kernel
yeah
static trench
ah
night tulip
And what is the reclamation gonna look like?
Will all of humanity evolve rapidly to have the abilities of spartans?
Will humanity ascend to the milky ways dominant species and hold the mantle?
Idk
The definition of reclaimer and mantle has never been clear
limpid kernel
humanity will evolve into spartans that can turn into forge monitors
that is backstory of custom games in halo 5
night tulip
XD
And that’s why throughout all the halos we had forge mode lol
Well
Not all but
limpid kernel
cortana: chief when you get to earth good luck
chief: after im through with truth
cortana: dont make a girl a promise you know you cant keep.
big ship leaves with chief
cortana: the reclamation has begun
night tulip
Interesting
stable drum
What’s the best halo novel In your guys opinion
severe elbow
First Strike.
remote spruce
First Strike or Evolutions
stable drum
Silent storm isint bad
It’s actually decent
However there something’s i find off about it
Most Spartans like Solomon and naiomi barley had any lines and idk Solomon had any lol
night tulip
Lol lot of different answers
versed helm
Barley
brisk cape
I liked Silent Storm, they just threw too many names around, almost like a fan service. “Here’s a name, there’s a name, ALL THE NAMES!!”
versed helm
Silent storm was my least favourite book honestly
versed helm
to each their own
feral perch
So when exactly does Halsey say the things she says in Halo 5's intro to Locke?
humble yacht
Maybe that voice over occurs off screen during their downtime
limpid kernel
Halo reach was not the first time covenant attacked reach right?
versed helm
it was
it was the first time the covenant found reach, hence why humanity was desperate to save it
last anchor
Winter Contingency
versed helm
reach was a major stronghold and footing for humanity
limpid kernel
What about Thom?
last anchor
Different planet
limpid kernel
I read on the wiki it was some months before
carmine sleet
Some months before on a different planet
humble yacht
Yep
limpid kernel
Huh
versed helm
https://www.halopedia.org/Circinius_IV @limpid kernel
night tulip
@versed helm Reach was THE major fortress world of humanity. The headquarters of fleet operations, birth place of the spartans, its shipyards, the 20 ODPs, the epsilon eridani fleet, experimental programs like sabre project.
last anchor
To be fair the Saber was also on other planets, there just happened to be one on Reach for various reasons
Most notibly because macguffin to get into space without getting shot down
night tulip
I think we can forgive that if we can forgive the UNSC letting a 30km CSO Under it’s defense grid without so much as a whisper
Like
How
Did that thing
Go undetected by the hundreds of reach sensors and satellites
last anchor
Stealth.
A smaller Covenant fleet arrived, fully stealthed, and started setting up a cloaking network via the spires
Thats why the Long Night of Solace showed up when the spire went down; its cloaking field dropped
night tulip
How did they arrive in the first place without being detected
last anchor
Direct slipspace via data retrieved from the probe on the Iriquois following the battle of Sigma Octanus IV
They jumped into the system as close as they could, ship stealthed, and landed troops on the surface.
night tulip
No one detected a huge as slipspace rupture the size of 30km?
last anchor
Not if it happened far outside the system and the ship coasted the rest of the way
Remember Covenant ships are faster in normal space too
Gravitic boosting and Forerunner-tech based engines
night tulip
That doesn’t matter when there’s literal hundreds of surveillance equipment above reach and not one detected a single Anamoly
carmine sleet
Camo systems of Covie ships are very effective, not just for hiding from visual sensors but also other types of sensors
last anchor
UNSC tech at the time wasn't as advanced as it is now.
And the CSO had Forerunner "god cores" aboard it.
night tulip
And if they could just do that everytime then why not do it on every single other human planet
“God cores”
BS cores
last anchor
Is it really?
night tulip
Yes
last anchor
As for why they didnt do it every time; they couldn't. Nor was it needed.
night tulip
Why couldn’t they?
last anchor
Because they dont have an endless number of CSOs. Its also far more complicated, risky, and resource intense than their usual "get in and brawl" style of combat.
Also Im pretty sure most Sangheili ship masters would disdane a sneaky approach, prefering to get in blades flashing, so to speak
The reason it happened on Reach was because Reach is loaded with Forerunner relics
The original fleet that arrived was smaller and lead by the CSO under the command of a religious zealot who wanted to take them all for himself if I remember right.
night tulip
Your telling me not one reach sensor picked up a warp in imaging because of CSO stealth tech?
last anchor
Not a one.
Forerunner baffler tech if I had to guess.
We know their camoflauge was far superior to anything either race has
Also, the spire was helping too
It blocked out ALL UNSC sensors, period.
Hence the reason for "Nightfall"
Noble probed in to find out what the hell was going on
night tulip
They had to have deployed the spire on planet before using it
fair hazel
The long night of solace was commanded by Rho 'barutamee
He did not care as much about the war against the humans
his ship had cloaking tech itself
night tulip
Yes we know that
fair hazel
his primary motive was finding the location of maethrillian
night tulip
But not a single reach sensor went off
fair hazel
ok?
last anchor
Again, they had nothing to detect
Remember, the spires were covering the whole area in instrument blocking tech
Jun and Kat even say it in the opening of Nigthfall.
"Covenant can block our instruments?"
"So it would seem."
night tulip
By 2552 I’d expect them to have at least be able to sense a 30km mass moving towards you
No we are not talking about the mission nightfall
Not the spires
How the fleet got their in the first place
last anchor
The spire was in place by the time it arrived.
feral perch
Placed there by whom?
last anchor
If the LNOS transitioned into the system out of the range of UNSC sensors (which didnt extend far beyond Reach's orbit), and coasted the rest of the way there under its own cloak till it arrived at the shielding of the spire then it wouldnt know.
The original team that arrived, the one lead by the zealots we see in Winter Contingency
fair hazel
they can obviously cloak that mass
feral perch
How though?
last anchor
I dont think Yamato really understands the true capabilities of either the Covenant or the Forerunners.
I dont think Yamato really understands the true capabilities of either the Covenant or the Forerunners.
I dont think Yamato really understands the true capabilities of either the Covenant or the Forerunners.
night tulip
Why not do that for earth then?
If there were 300 ODPs and even more forerunner artifacts
last anchor
Because the guy who lead the assault on Reach was spagetiified along with Jorge and about 1/3 of his crew
Remember, the stealthy guy was there to find data leading to Maethrillian
And he died for his trouble.
night tulip
Why didn’t regret do it
carmine sleet
Also Regret was a big fan of just invading planets, not stealthing in
last anchor
Because Regret was there to BURN THE HERETICS
^
And he didnt have the same stuff that the Reach fleet master did. 2 assault carriers, far smaller than a CSO, and a bunch of various other ships.
PLUS he had no clue humanity was there.
fair hazel
we dont know for sure if he died
Also you do realize regret didn'T expect any human presence on Erde-Tyrene?
last anchor
Well, his fleet command was busted, half of it went into slipspace and the rest hit reach so...
feral perch
How did the Covies set up a massive spire on the most important human colony without being noticed?
night tulip
Wouldn’t a CAS be easier to cloak than a CSO?
last anchor
No. Again, the cloaking for the CSO was forerunner tech.
fair hazel
CSO has the technology
last anchor
@feral perch They set up the smaller jamming towers we see in Nightfall first. A ring of them blocked out a huge section of Reach's mountain range from the UNSC.
Hence Nightfall.
Noble probed in to see "what the covenant were hiding".
Found the Spire.
fair hazel
they did end up getting discovered in the end
last anchor
And thats when the CSO got involved and everything went to hell
last anchor
Against the underprepared UNSC though...
night tulip
Can someone give me a source as to where you got the info that it coasted in after leaving sigma Octanus IV and cloaked past the orbital defence grid?
It’s never explicitly stated in reach
last anchor
There's none, thats just what I've put together from talking with various other lore fans
night tulip
Ah
last anchor
@obsidian thistle Thoughts?
obsidian thistle
I need to dig again I am afraid. Reach lore I am not the best in as I used to be. To much of a mess xD
night tulip
Well it can work with TFOR if you try
fair hazel
it does work with it
obsidian thistle
It does work xD
obsidian thistle
So we cant trust the times shown in the game in relation to TFoR
night tulip
I wish you could explain that it works canonically to some certain other people who don’t believe me
last anchor
It annoys me they didnt just keep it zulu time
Or, you know, make the game fit with the freaking book
feral perch
Bungie too cool for that
night tulip
Think we’ll see red team in halo infinite?
carmine sleet
As in HW2 Red Team? Because I'd love to see them make an appearance in an FPS Halo game
night tulip
I mean they’re kind of stuck on the arc but it created a portal for Anders and the new halo to go through
Yes the HW2 red team
carmine sleet
It's not impossible for the story to lead Chief and Infinity to the Ark, like, the end of Halo 5 teased a Halo, for all we know, that's the same one we see at the end of Halo Wars 2
carmine sleet
I'd say they should avoid throwing in too many Spartans
night tulip
They had a lot in halo 5 already with Osiris, Palmer, and chiefs blue team
radiant sphinx
Send Locke out like Mdama in the first mission lol
last anchor
Unlikely
night tulip
It’s a pipe dream
fair hazel
No.
It’s just that they didn’t do the best job with characters overall.
Not the number
night tulip
I agree, tho... the number of spartans didn’t help because you don’t get time to develop them when halo 5 is so short
fair hazel
You can have a big cast and do an excellent job
night tulip
You’re right, the avengers is like the prime example of that, but I’m saying halo 5’s campaign didn’t develop the characters as much as they should’ve been, and it was a very short game
fair hazel
standard length
low idol
pretty standard, gotta start on legendary
feral perch
15 levels. That's longer than Halo 3, Halo 4, and even CE.
versed helm
2 was 15
feral perch
Yep
tough elk
But you have to take in the fact that some of the missions on 5 were very short, your looking at how many missions, yes 5 had the same amount of missions as 2 but they weren’t nearly as long as most of 2s mission were. And I think that’s worth noting in this conversation
versed helm
H2 was also 2 campaigns basically
remote spruce
Both didn't play well
tough elk
Wait wait wait did you really just say that halo 2 didn’t play well?
versed helm
Oof
tough elk
Halo 2 was an amazing and very innovative game for its time
@versed helm also I just realized you could say h5 was kinda 2 campaigns
versed helm
More like 3/16ths and 13/16ths
tough elk
True
Lol
Cause what there’s only like 3-5 missions that your chief but still the game was pretty short compared to it predecessors
lilac prism
What's the in lore reason for the grunts (and latter in the universe other species of the covenant too) speaking English?
obsidian thistle
Either autotranslated stuff via armor, or they learnt it. Thats the two accepted reasons
Mostly its just ease of the viewer cause sometimes English makes no sense in terms of the scenario xD Halo 2s Thel levels for example
carmine sleet
Aye, it would be pretty annoying trying to play through the Arbiter levels if we had no idea what was being said
brisk cape
Iirc a good bit of Elites learned English by decree of the Prophets so that they could mock humans as they lay dying /before a battle. The rest I’d guess are more or less the same thing. As well as the gameplay reasons.
last anchor
Yeah. Obviously, all of the Sangheili aren't speaking English to EACH OTHER.
Luckily for us the Covenant ALL speak Sangheili so
night tulip
Halo 5 is significantly shorter in terms of length than halo 2
Yeah sure it had the same amount of missions
But 3 of those were just walking around and talking to people
So 12 actual missions that were all shorter than halo 2
And 3 of them were chief, 9 were Locke
tough elk
^^^^^
feral perch
I don't think every Halo 5 level is shorter than the shortest Halo 2 level
Swords of Sanghelios was fairly long, and Cairo Station and Outskirts were rather short. So is "The Arbiter." I'll bet Reunion is longer than that one.
night tulip
It took me the same amount of time to beat swords of sangheilios as cairo
feral perch
On what difficulty?
night tulip
I mean you have a squad to revive you in H5
feral perch
They're awful, they usually die before they can revive you
And their pathfinding is dumb too
night tulip
Yeah... I feel like a better squad system is republic commando
Didn’t they take inspiration from that game?
carmine sleet
Funny you bring up Republic Commando, Tim Longo, who worked on that, worked on Halo 5 as well
night tulip
Yeah that
feral perch
Some of the same developers-yeah
night tulip
🤔
white idol
Hey guys
I don't actually play Halo
But I've spent a day or two looking over the lore
And plot of the games
It's really really good
last anchor
There are few games with as deep lore as Halo and for that, we are thankful
white idol
Honestly though
I've been looking through a lot of flood lore
So apparently the flood are the "mutated" and "corrupted" remnants of the Precursors
But on the other hand
Why are they portrayed to be so strictly bad?
I went over the conversations between Mendicant Bias and the ancient flood/precursor being
It does kind of have a point
Is the flood, in a way, not just a hyper-advanced type of civilization just like any other?
last anchor
Yes. As far as we can tell.
The main issue is that they dont listen to reason and dont try to work with others
white idol
It's purpose is to "consume", perhaps, but it does so in a way that's very different from the "zombie apocalypse" type thing we see
last anchor
They just consume.
last anchor
Techincally. But that violates the Mantle
white idol
I mean apparently near the end of the Forerunner-Flood war the keymind could control star roads
Precursor structures
white idol
Yah
Like jesus CHRIST
Precursor technology
And they figured it out in what
A couple years?
And the mantle of responsibility is such a vague idea regardless
It's not like the forerunners followed it properly
last anchor
True, hence why they were to be replaced by humans (hopefully).
And considering they knew how to use Star Roads before, it was less learning how and more relearning
white idol
Oh yeah that's true
Since the flood is still basically the precursors
But caveman-y
last anchor
Yes
white idol
On the other hand
Is it not reasonable to assume that the whole Halo story is told from a very limited and somewhat biased perspective
Of the forerunners/humans/e.g.
The precursors afaik was VERY different from all the bipedal humanoid civilizations we see
I have this weird headcanon that although the flood is a somewhat warped version of the original precursors it still was following the mantle of responsiblity
In a twisted way
But that only applies to the stuff that happened long before our halo in the dealings with forerunners and prehistoric humans and such
Because it was implied that whatever was in the mids of whoever the flood "infected" was added to the gravemind
That could be interpreted almost like "preserving" life, no?
last anchor
Yes.
Considering that the "cure" the Forerunners searched for so valiently was, literally, the Flood saying "nah fam we done" and wililngly retreating...
last anchor
The Flood was the Precursor's route of vengance
white idol
Which part is that
last anchor
Yeah
Its first mentioned in Cryptum, but then gets expanded on in Primordium I think.
white idol
huh ok
last anchor
Basically the Humans found the Flood first and fought it back. They spoke to the Primordial, locked in its time-cage, about what to do. It told them a monsterious thing...and they did it.
They turned fully a third of their population into bioweapons and let the flood infect them.
It seemed that the Flood retreated...
In reality, it pulled back willingly, as Humanity was not due to be tested for the Mantle just yet
Then Humanity got devolved by the Forerunners for fighting them.
last anchor
And they searched for the cure, which did not exist...and then the Forerunner-flood war came
And it went downhill from there
white idol
I did see the part where the flood infected lots of humans and then just ignored the rest of the humans??
Not sure how that worked
white idol
Oh but they actually just left
last anchor
Exactly.
There was no cure.
And when the Flood came back full force, it drove the Forerunners into extinction
Broke everything they had made. Turned them against themselves. And made them fire the Array.
A completely and utterly phyrric victory
white idol
Ohhh
So it can be interpreted as the flood being really angry precursors
They still liked humanity
But they were mad at the forerunners
How come that seemed to all go out of the window when it gets to the "current" Halo?
Then the flood just kinda
Eats everything
last anchor
It hasnt reached the coordinated stage
last anchor
No outbreak has gotten large enough
white idol
It was still in it's "KILL KILL KILL" stage?
last anchor
For the most part.
white idol
I liked the way that snek gravemind talked actually
last anchor
Once it reaches a secondary criticla mass thats when it really remembers its the Precursors
white idol
Sick prose
last anchor
Indeed.
I am a monument to all your sins is SUCH a power line
white idol
Also
I think a lot of the flood’s antagonistic nature to the player comes from how disgusting and repulsive it’s appearance is.
I mean
I read a sci fi short a while back
Independent of halo
And this IMMEDIATELY reminded me of it
Basically 20 thousand years later humanity is hyper advanced and has inegrated itself into massive supercomputers basically
Inside each individual can do whatever they want
Create universes
Play god, etc.
But the "final step"
Was when individuals began fusing
Personalities, knowledge
They merged together to make a new being
last anchor
The flood
white idol
YEAH
last anchor
Basically
last anchor
Give the host a bonus instead of turning them into a meatpuppet might be a good thing too
Symbiosis, rather than parasitism
white idol
Yup
Exactly
I always wondered what the "extragalactic" stage of the flood would actually look like
last anchor
What we see now, but entire planets moving is my guess
Some sort of horrific Bretheren Moon style thing.
white idol
Ahh
The Brethren Moons on the other hand
Is kinda ew
They don't really have the depth of graveminds/precursors/stuff
They're just kinda
"We are coming and we'll eat you"
"Ha-ha"
The big difference is that the flood takes the memories of new hosts and integrates them into itself imo
Necromorphs are
Just glorified zombies
Is there anyone else usually hanging around this channel?
last anchor
Im just using them as an example
Giant fully Flood-made planetoids
Capable of crossing the massive distances between galaxies
Theres a few people, you just came at a rather quiet time
It is saterday afternoon, a lot of people are out doing stuff
white idol
Oh yeah I get that
Also cool!
I just went off on a tangent myself
I might hang here more often
Halo universe is crazy
white idol
You know
There's another thing
The Gravemind/Keyminds is/are essentially just an incredibly powerful supercomputer with all the information ever gathered by the flood right
white idol
Then what if they DID take over the entire galaxy?
What if the gravemind had
Hundreds of millenia
To just sit there and think
Would it still be so violent
Would it decide to change the way the flood looked out of boredom or try his hand at creating life himself the way precursors did?
Or is the whole aggressively consume thing genetically rooted in the flood
white idol
Thank you
last anchor
Im not sure anyone really knows.
And yeah, Yamato, this is what happens when nerds get together XD
last anchor
Its certainly possible the Flood could "chill".
night tulip
Are RTS's your thing?
last anchor
But we dont really know for sure and for the most part living beings prefer not to be consumed and repurposesd
white idol
What's the difference? (FPS and RTS)
You're right there
But that's what the primordial one said wasn't it
A collective consciousness is the "final" step of evolution that we know of
And the forerunners just weren't at that step to be willing to accept it yet
So it's argument was that the flood was an accelerant of evolution
severe elbow
No, the Flood's purpose at the time was to get revenge on the Forerunners for wiping out the Precursors, and to test humanity for the Mantle.
night tulip
forerunners were classified tech 1 and precursors were tech zero
white idol
It brought about the next step of transsentience maybe millions of years before the life would develop to that stage by itself?
@severe elbow Ohh
I've never read of the "test humanity" part
What did I miss?
night tulip
you know the precursors deemed humanity more worthy than the forerunners, and because of that, further testing was needed in order to see if humanity was worthy
night tulip
thats also the reason the forerunners felt betrayed and revolted...
severe elbow
Precursors created both Forerunners and humans, and decided humans would inherit the Mantle of Responsibility. The Forerunners wanted it for themselves, so they rose up against the Precursors and wiped most of them out.
night tulip
well
white idol
Ohhh
I always thought the flood was because the precursors tried to save themselves with the whole "turn to dust" shenanigans
severe elbow
Some Forerunenrs also insisted that the Precurosrs planned to wipe out the Forerunners, so there's a some doubt as to the truth behind the cause of the conflict.
white idol
But it messed up in transit
white idol
So they ended up all weird
last anchor
But even twisted, they still remembered
And they went about doing it in a harsher, groaty way
night tulip
im of the opinion that the precursors are creatures from slipspace and that they kinda just left the milky way back to their own universe or somethiing
but
i could be completly wrong
white idol
I've never seen anything related to that
night tulip
just me theorizing
white idol
But yeah I really wish there was some way to find out what would've happened millions of years after if the flood did win
The gravemind is, in a way, a hyper-AI after all
Or maybe not and I'm high
night tulip
mmm not entirely wrong
white idol
Could he not achieve metastability from a state of rampancy (KILL EVERYTHING INFECT EVERYTHING) much like mendicant bias did?
Like I mean he's gotta get bored if he has nothing to consume
severe elbow
The surviving Precurosors planned to change themselves into dust, and reconstitute themselves at a later date. But something went wrong, and they never reformed from the dust. The dust was found by ancient humans who couldn't find anything wrong with it in their studies. But they found it useful for domesticating an animal species called the Pheru, so they used it for that. Over generations, that became the Flood. This was considered by the Primordial, possibly the last surviving Precursor to not be intentional, but was considered to be appropriate for getting revenge on the Forerunners and testing humanity.
white idol
What's he going to do just sit there?
Ohh da mn
I'd like to read that
Is that a book or something
(Why am I not allowed to say da m n)
severe elbow
Yes, the Forerunner Saga, Cryptum, Primordium, and Silentium.
white idol
Alright I gotta look into that
On the other hand and from another perspective
Why the f would the forerunners keep flood specimens
Like DUDE
severe elbow
The Gravemind also has the memories of the Primordial, hence it referencing the Flood War.
white idol
The Gravemind in current Halo?
severe elbow
Because they knew the Flood would eventually return, and finding a cure was the only hope for a permanent solution.
Yes.
radiant sphinx
@white idol Probably because they still have means of containing them (the rings)
radiant sphinx
^^as well as above
radiant sphinx
Depending on era-wise, the flood made it to Earth by hitching a ride on High charity
Unless we’re talking pre-Halo games lore
radiant sphinx
Ah
severe elbow
High Charity never made it to Earth. The Flood got there on a Covenant ship called the Indulgence of Conviction.
Which did come from the High Charity infection, granted.
white idol
And then the Sangheili melted all of the flood
radiant sphinx
Yeah that’s what I meant
white idol
Are there more original non-flood precursors out there
I got the impression that they were extragalactic
severe elbow
Not known.
white idol
But did all the precursors end up coming to our galaxy?
severe elbow
Precursors had the capability to be extragalactic.
white idol
Or is there like this massive precursor civilization spanning multiple galaxies
radiant sphinx
Isn’t there an unknown potentially precursor specimen on the Halo 4 map “Abandoned”
white idol
Ah
severe elbow
But it's likely they originated in the Milky Way.
Since that's where the Domain is located.
night tulip
it doesnt mean all of them are dead though
severe elbow
No, but we have no leads on any others.
white idol
Ah
night tulip
I thought the domain was located on a planet suspended in slipspace or something?
severe elbow
Most of the Precurosors not killed by the Forerunners fled to Path Kethona, aka the Large Magenellic Cloud, where they were eliminated. Some became the dust. At least one, the Primordial, was in a high-tech cell.
They haven't said where the Domain is specifically located. Abaddon, the Precursor AI that helped the Forerunners connect to the Domain, was located on the Forerunner Capital, Maethrillian.
Granted, from Maethrillian, they were able to "reset" the Domain after the Halo Array was fired.
night tulip
I just idk I have a feeling the precursors are somewhere in slipspace, I mean halsey sent an AI there and it came back bad mouthing the forerunners or something...
granted she was too freaked out to do anything further and had lapses in memory after that
severe elbow
No, the AI came back far more powerful. It just has to do with Slipspace basically hyoercharging an AI to where it's ridiculously powerful. Kind of the same thing the Domain is doing for Cortana and the Created.
I don't recall it talking about the Forerunners.
white idol
On that note
Didn't the gravemind say the domain would be destroyed by the halos firing?
severe elbow
Yes. Seems as though it was simply damaged, though.
It was "reset" when a Forerunner, Growth-Through-Trial-of-Change, sacrificed herself to serve as the "template" for the "new" Domain.
Though the Halo Array's ability to destroy Precursor tech doesn't seem to be 100%, as Abaddon sruvived, even though it was damaged.