#lore-and-universe | Halo | Page 142

obsidian thistle Oct 26, 2018, 9:12 PM

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They are seperate. Even though they often worked together

versed helm Oct 26, 2018, 9:39 PM

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Pilum is ugly though, the SPNKR is sexy

unique rune Oct 26, 2018, 9:41 PM

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SPNKr is a bulky and impractical eyesore

fite me

carmine sleet Oct 26, 2018, 9:42 PM

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Gonna be honest, prefer the Pilum also, don't get why the SPNKR has you toss away effectively most of the rocket launcher every time you reload (Seriously, watch the reload animation, it annoys me so much)

unique rune Oct 26, 2018, 9:44 PM

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Halo community: "Halo needs to be gritty and realistic!"
also Halo community: "Bring back the SPNKr!"

carmine sleet Oct 26, 2018, 9:45 PM

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Pretty much

orchid kettle Oct 26, 2018, 10:16 PM

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My problem isnt necessarily that humans arent forerunners

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But that it was revealed that ancient humans rivaled Forerunners anyway

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So humanity turns out to have once been this great technological civilization

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Just not the great ancient civilization that the series revolves around

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Sure, maybe “rival” is a bit strong, but when both are depicted as dudes in chrome armor shooting laser beams

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The distinct gets muddled

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@unique rune The thing about Halo’s art style wasnt that it was realistic

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It was based on stuff like Alien and Starship Troopers

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The UNSC was meant to be grimy and bulky

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With control panels in the Pillar of Autumn looking like a bunch of CRT monitors

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The complaint of the newer art style has more to do with how sterile and overdesigned everything is

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Which is a similar comparison to the visual design of the Original Star Wars Trilogy, and the prequels

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Like, theres a reason why so many comic book artists had to resort to tracing to properly depict GEN2 MJOLNIR

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Initiation was particularly guilty of that. Collateral Damage manages to side step the issue by being more stylized though.

obsidian thistle Oct 26, 2018, 10:29 PM

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Halo Escalations had some new designs for Forearms and Leg armor thats pretty cool.

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Wish we got more of that...

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Wanna know a funny thing. Canon Halo 3 marketing used a Warhammer tank thing in one of its marketing.

orchid kettle Oct 26, 2018, 10:31 PM

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Like, Mark V is a very simplistic design

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I think most people can draw a profile view of the helmet even if they’re not the greatest artist

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Meanwhile, even as someone who uses exclusively Warrior in 4 and 5

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I just cant remember how to draw it, and how the individual elements of the helmet form the whole

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Halo 4 also had a problem with all the Covenant races becoming too similar

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Grunts lost their face mask and exoskeleton, Elites became paler and scaled, and Jackals became more reptilian.

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They all became big lizards with neck waddles

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The elements that made them unique were stripped away

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I can kinda understand why they felt like a Jackal redesign was necessary, because I think they look the best in CE. When they were a fewer collection of polygons

fair hazel Oct 26, 2018, 10:38 PM

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do i even want to get started

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Warrior helmet is pretty disctinctive to me

orchid kettle Oct 26, 2018, 10:38 PM

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Like I said

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I've been wearing it since 2012

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ANd whenever I put pen to paper

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I cannot remember the individual elements that form the whole

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I of course remember that theres a slim visor and a mouth-guard

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But thats about it

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Meanwhile, I dont have any particular attachment to Halo 2 and 3

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Yet I can sit down and draw the entirety of Mark VI fairly accurate.

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Accurate enough that you can tell that its Mark VI, at least.

versed helm Oct 26, 2018, 10:40 PM

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Personally a huge fan of Centurion

I do like the H3 Rogue though

orchid kettle Oct 26, 2018, 10:41 PM

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Theres also a difference between something being "distinctive", and something being simple enough that it REMAINS distinguishable even at smaller sizes

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Little graphic design 101

fair hazel Oct 26, 2018, 10:43 PM

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📎 proof.png

orchid kettle Oct 26, 2018, 10:44 PM

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The mouth guard doesnt actually touch the visor

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Theres some sort of black buffer

fair hazel Oct 26, 2018, 10:45 PM

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that tends to be present in most variants...

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ion many helmets

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as for killer orca, eh, I like the multi functionality of the different rocket launchers so I dont think I'd want them to be like role specific like that

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damage increase for sPNKR but less ammo and slower reload VS faster reload, and more ammo for pilum

orchid kettle Oct 26, 2018, 10:47 PM

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Except for, ya know. Mark V

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The thing is, the guy who does all the concept art for 343 IS legitimately talented

fair hazel Oct 26, 2018, 10:52 PM

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"The guy who does all the concept art"

orchid kettle Oct 26, 2018, 10:52 PM

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But as Ive been saying, complicated designs make for a nice still

fair hazel Oct 26, 2018, 10:52 PM

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the guy...

orchid kettle Oct 26, 2018, 10:52 PM

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But not always when the game is in motion

carmine sleet Oct 26, 2018, 10:53 PM

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Multiple people make concept art, not just a single person

orchid kettle Oct 26, 2018, 10:53 PM

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I know

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A potential problem could just be that modelers arent 100% capable of translating the design to the third dimension

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I always thought the concept art for the Halo 3 Marine looked good, but in-game they tend to look scrawny and frail

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Theres also just a certain roughness in Shi Kai Wang's designs for the Marines in CE that wasnt brought over

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Which is mainly due to how the subjects in his concept art have their eyes obscured, and are almost always frowning

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https://www.halopedia.org/images/5/56/HCE_-_Marines_2.png

limpid kernel Oct 27, 2018, 2:52 AM

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Why didn't the gravemind send arbiter to high charity instead of chief?

humble yacht Oct 27, 2018, 3:00 AM

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Maybe because it wanted to show the Arbiter what the brutes had done to his people before having him meet the Prophets again

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If it had sent Arby to HC, truth might have lied his way out

severe elbow Oct 27, 2018, 4:44 AM

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Or the Arbiter would hesitate since he probably didn't fully understand the extent of what was happening, and gotten himself killed.

obsidian thistle Oct 27, 2018, 4:47 AM

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At that point in time. The Arbiter wasnt concluded in his thoughts

versed helm Oct 27, 2018, 6:13 AM

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This one is but flesh and faith

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And is the more deluded

dense oyster Oct 27, 2018, 12:36 PM

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Which is mainly due to how the subjects in his concept art have their eyes obscured, and are almost always frowning```Not even just that

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Look at those marines in that concept art

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They're heckin' jacked

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Not bulky, but they have defined muscles, and the clothing is visibly bulky with detailed folds

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Some of the armor is also bent, scuffed, and scratched

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There's a lot of detail to capture, and if you don't capture it, then the designs look too soft

versed helm Oct 27, 2018, 5:01 PM

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What other remnants of ancient humanity survives into the modern era other than the Heian ruins,that ship that ONI found,and that dead planet and unknown ship that the UNSC used to create the HELLCAT-class Mjolnir armor?

fickle blaze Oct 27, 2018, 8:36 PM

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@versed helm There is nothing more found than one ship,one planet and the assembly granted 343i can add more in easily

hot niche Oct 28, 2018, 1:23 AM

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So, I have a rather meh level question, didn't the Infinity have a sister ship?

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The Eternity I think it is.

tawny ledge Oct 28, 2018, 1:27 AM

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I’m probably the only one wanting this, but I actually enjoyed the somewhat relationship between the Arbiter and Chief. That being said, I highly doubt we would see this, but it would be nice to see some kind of reunion. But also, is there any book or comic that actually tells what happened to the Arbiter after Halo 3? All I remember from Halo 3 was that the covenant left Earth and went home. Then cut to Halo 4 and the covenant threw out the treaty and now is back to hunting humans. So, I’m curious as to what happened to the Arbiter and why the treaty fell through. It been a while since I played Halo 4 and Halo 5, so if there is info in the games I don’t remember.

hot niche Oct 28, 2018, 1:28 AM

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The Covenant isn't technically whole at the point of two years after H-3.

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Most of the Covenant has splintered and gone out the window.

tawny ledge Oct 28, 2018, 1:29 AM

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Oh ok, I kind of remember that now. Ok I see how that would play out.

gilded mason Oct 28, 2018, 1:29 AM

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But also, is there any book or comic that actually tells what happened to the Arbiter after Halo 3?
The Kilo-5 books sorta go into what he's been up to. As well as Escalation and Halo 5.

hot niche Oct 28, 2018, 1:29 AM

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The KILO-Five trilogy touched base on it.

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^^^

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Escalation was sort of a touch and go there.

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H-5 was very very vague on what happened.

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It does give details on why the Remnants want to kill the Arbiter.

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H-4 actually hit it quite a few times with a stick.

tawny ledge Oct 28, 2018, 1:32 AM

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Oh ok, well I’ll have to look into that. I didn’t know if he was dead or what. So, maybe there is still hope for a reunion. Lol

hot niche Oct 28, 2018, 1:32 AM

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They did reunite at the end of H-5.

gilded mason Oct 28, 2018, 1:32 AM

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There actually was one in Bad Blood, which takes place after Halo 5. But it was "offscreen" so to speak.

hot niche Oct 28, 2018, 1:32 AM

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Indeed.

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Lets see, New Blood, Bad Blood, maybe the next one is Old Blood?

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Headshots Halsey

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Well, thats old blood I guess.

gilded mason Oct 28, 2018, 1:33 AM

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Old Blood
Fear it, Laurence.

tawny ledge Oct 28, 2018, 1:34 AM

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Dang, I wanted a onscreen reunion. Lol Dang, I didn’t realize there was that many books in the halo universe. I still remember the three paperback books I had a long time ago. I think they were the first of the books. Can’t remember.

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I guess I need to get to reading

hot niche Oct 28, 2018, 1:35 AM

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Heh, I end up pre-ordering them all from Barnes & Noble whenever a new one is announced.

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Same with Star Wars and Mass Effect, and WH40k.....I read too much.

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 1:36 AM

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There are many books, Fox. Like, 20 at least

unique rune Oct 28, 2018, 1:36 AM

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I guess we've moved on from the Infinity's sister ship, but yes, there is a second (incomplete) Infinity-class that is indeed named the Eternity.

hot niche Oct 28, 2018, 1:36 AM

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Rest in Pieces, the Eternity.

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 1:36 AM

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Most of the refit moduels Infinity got for her second Requiem run came from Eternity

unique rune Oct 28, 2018, 1:36 AM

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I'm guessing her hull ID would probably be INF-102...

hot niche Oct 28, 2018, 1:37 AM

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_Wait, I just realized something, what if they pulled another CSO-Reach incident, with a Shaw Fujikawa.......considering how big the Eternitys must have been.

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Speculation has filled my mind

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 1:40 AM

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I dont think engine size has anything to do with it. All it needs to do is fire

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The uncontrolled rift in space will do the rest

fair hazel Oct 28, 2018, 1:40 AM

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New blood, bad blood ,coagulated blood

hot niche Oct 28, 2018, 1:42 AM

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^

stable drum Oct 28, 2018, 3:00 AM

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Who is a better overall Spartan fred or John?

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 3:00 AM

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Depends on the qualities you value most.

humble yacht Oct 28, 2018, 3:08 AM

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Fred’s strength stat is higher than Chief’s but Chief’s luck stat is maxed

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 3:09 AM

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"Special" forces.

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anyways lemme gush over the books for a second

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Re-listening to Last Light after re-listening to Mortal Dictata..
In Mortal Dictata, Sav Fel uses Pious Inquisitor to glass the forerunner ruins of Shaps III

In Last Light, Archeon-class Forerunner Ancilla Intrepid Eye is appalled to hear that her "homeworld" is wastelands, with the ruins turned to glass 80 days before by Pious Inquisitor.

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 3:48 AM

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Yeah, but a girl hugged Fred one time

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That makes him a bigger Chad

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 3:55 AM

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Am I the only one who thinks there's a thing between Veta Lopis and Fred?

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 3:55 AM

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I mean, its pretty obvious

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 3:57 AM

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@full forge Indeed, and there's mentions of things that happened in Halo: Cryptum in Legacy of Onyx.
The universe is awesomely connected. Very little gets left hanging

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 3:58 AM

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speaking of people macking on Spuds

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I still find it weird that Nylund felt it necessary to confirm that Dr Halsey is physically attracted to John

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 3:59 AM

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Let's just

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Ignore that

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 4:00 AM

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Was that a thing?
I always saw it as a scientific apreasle rather than anything else.
See; her actual taste in men (Keyes)

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:00 AM

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Cortana remarks that John is handsome

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 4:00 AM

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Well he is. In a sort of "beat down through the mud" kind of way

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:00 AM

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And she concludes that Dr Halsey feels the same, due to her blushing

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Which is weird when she’s his space mom

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 4:01 AM

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Oh.
(Shrug)

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:01 AM

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And old enough to be his grandmother.

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 4:01 AM

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But not biological

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:01 AM

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Its still pretty weird my guy

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Its even weirder when Silent Storm plays up the “surrogate mother” role

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And shes constantly doting on him

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 4:02 AM

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sometimes

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 4:02 AM

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I find it weirder that Halsey fake-flirted with that ODST guy to get him alone for secret plotting like...damn son

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 4:02 AM

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people are creepy

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oh yeah, that was... Concerning

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:02 AM

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Speaking of Keyes

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You ever figure that Bungie regretted killing him off

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Since the role of “ship captain” gets taken up by his child

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:02 AM

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i miss keyes

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both of 'em

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 4:03 AM

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And then they kill her

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Her death is stupid

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:03 AM

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It would kinda work better if Keyes died in Halo 3 along with Johnson

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These two characters being Chief’s primary allies

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But with Miranda, they kinda break the “Only one per family” rule

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:04 AM

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Her death is pretty stupid.

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:04 AM

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Now theres no one to take on her father’s legacy

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And now Dr Halsey has no family, barring the Spuds

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:05 AM

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As a Captain, she takes it upon herself to fly into the Ark's Halo Firing facility alone and fight through like, 12 brutes.

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what did she really accomplish there?

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:06 AM

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Lasky feels like a more proper successor to Keyes

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But I cant shake the impression that the dude is in his twenties

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And really shouldnt be in charge of the most important ship in human history

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:09 AM

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Did you see his action scene in Spatan Ops where he watches basically every marine around him die, and with minimal support defends Halsey from a Knight onslaught?

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He sure moves like he's in his twenties..

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:10 AM

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Then again, thats kinda a running thing in Hao 4, isnt it

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That the old, poopy leaders get phased out in favor of the starry-eyed noobies

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I wonder if that was meant to be paralleling reality

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:11 AM

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I don't see how.

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 4:11 AM

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More like they were getting rid of Bungies stuff

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:11 AM

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Still don't see how.

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:12 AM

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Lasky takes over from Del Rio

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Thorne takes over from DeMarco

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 4:12 AM

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Also, no, I dont think hes in his 20s.

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He cant be

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:12 AM

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Yeah, but Del Rio is an idiot.

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 4:12 AM

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He was like, 15 when the war started

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And he fought through like all of it.

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So Lasky has to be at least 40 something

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I mean sure cryo does stuff but

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:12 AM

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I mean, just replace the Infinity or Majestic with “the Halo series”

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 4:13 AM

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And yes Del Rio was an idiot. That was the point. Parangoski put him as captain cause she knew he would mess up and put Lasky in charge instead. She wanted Lasky as captain

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:13 AM

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And perhaps these two instances have some insight into how 343 sees themselves

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:13 AM

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Even Parangosky described him as not being his first pick, and instead Lasky being her "Anointed"

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 4:13 AM

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But couldnt outright say "make Lasky captain"

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^

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Bingo

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:13 AM

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The funny thing is

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Del Rio isnt wrong

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:13 AM

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She only tolerated Del Rio because Hood wanted him.

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:13 AM

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The Didact smacked the Infinity into the dirt like a fly almost immediately

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:13 AM

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And she decided that she needed Hood's favor.

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:14 AM

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And if the Infinity was destroyed on Requiem

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The galaxy would have no idea the Didact exists

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:14 AM

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But that was more from the gravity well, that they took down when Del Rio had his fit didn't he?

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 4:14 AM

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Yes.

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Thats why Chief had to go try and stop the Didact himself instead of having firesupport

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Considering chief almost single-handedly stopped him, it probably would have gone better if Infinity had stayed.
Of course, thats why Del Rio got canned

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Cause the UNSC thought so too

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:15 AM

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And Cortana WAS going crazy

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And considering what happened in Halo 5

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Maybe she SHOULD have been destroyed then and there

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:15 AM

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Yes, it was protocol for a rampant AI like Cortana to undergo final dispensation.

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However, by chance she did kinda end up saving the chief and ending the New Phoenix event.

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:16 AM

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I mean, Im sure some other deus ex machina event would have happened to allow Chief to win

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Hes got that plot armor— I mean, luck

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:17 AM

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Pfft.

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Chief? Plot Armor?

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:17 AM

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He beat the Didact just fine without Cortana in Round 2

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 4:17 AM

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Uhhh...not really.

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:17 AM

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shh i haven't seen

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nono i haven't seen

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shhhhhh

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baby ears

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 4:17 AM

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Dude the games literally like 6 years old at this point

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:17 AM

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The Didact got stuffed into a pickle jar

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And the lid is stuck so tight not even a Spud could get it open

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:18 AM

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Not the game, Killer. When the Didact came back after Halo 4 in the comics.

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:18 AM

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Also Black Team died

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 4:18 AM

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Nah, the round two I mean is the end of Halo 4

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:18 AM

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I pressed RT to fire machinegun.

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Sorry, I mean LT to plant grenade.

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 4:18 AM

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And Chief didnt fight the Didact solo, he had Blue with him

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:18 AM

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Because I guess 343 doesnt want to continue the story of the characters THEY made

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 4:19 AM

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Oh they did, Brian Reed didnt

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Hence why Escalation seems like a horrible mishmash of plot lines being cleaned up.
He tried SO HARD to make it his way...
And the fandom tore him asunder.

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:19 AM

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Blue Team didnt do nuffin tho

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 4:19 AM

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Or so I hear. I dont know what ACTUALLY happened but

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:19 AM

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Chief just pressed a button, and the Didact just watched him do it

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Then he got stuffed in the pickle jar for eternity

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:20 AM

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What's the first thing the Ur-Didact does every time he sees the Chief?

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:20 AM

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Loses

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:20 AM

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pick ya boi up with big grav hands

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:20 AM

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Dem big gravy hands

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:20 AM

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Just like "lol you can't win"

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:21 AM

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For real— what WAS the point of killing Black Team

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:21 AM

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idk i didn't read itttt

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ree

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:21 AM

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They must know that fans will absolutely eat up ANYTHING involving IIs

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Thats just burning money

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:22 AM

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How many Spartans are left now do you think?

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:22 AM

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Enough for as many novels and spinoffs as possible

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Besides— they can just do prequels

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Like Silent Storm

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:23 AM

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Yeah, it was weird seeing Spartans that I remember dying.

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:23 AM

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Where its not just Blue Team— but Kurt, Daisy, and even Anton, and much much more

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Even though Kurt barely speaks so who cares that hes back

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:23 AM

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;-;

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big dad kurt

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 4:23 AM

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Kurt is good though

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:23 AM

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Sure

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But Kurt barely says anything in Silent Storm

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 4:23 AM

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I want a novel about Naomi's early days

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:23 AM

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Kurt had magical situational awareness.

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 4:23 AM

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Or maybe Omega Team??

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:24 AM

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He’s just name dropped for dat nostalgia bait

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:24 AM

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Her days during the war do you mean?

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 4:24 AM

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Yes

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:24 AM

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Oh, and Naomi is there too

coral bloom Oct 28, 2018, 4:24 AM

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halo

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 4:24 AM

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Yeah

coral bloom Oct 28, 2018, 4:24 AM

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who want to play halo

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 4:24 AM

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She's mentioned like twice

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:24 AM

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I just choose to mentally block anything having to do with Kilo-5

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:24 AM

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Aw, I love the trilogy.

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:24 AM

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More like Kilo-5 outta 10

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:25 AM

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I listened to the audiobook and now my thoughts are in Australian.

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:25 AM

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JK that 4 points too many

coral bloom Oct 28, 2018, 4:25 AM

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yo

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halo

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want to play halo

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 4:25 AM

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Go to the LFG section

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:25 AM

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Like, I dont even care about how it messes with some lore bits

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 4:25 AM

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It's short for Looking For Group

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you can find players there

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:26 AM

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I just think Karen Traviss is absolutely horrid as a writer

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 4:26 AM

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Agreed

coral bloom Oct 28, 2018, 4:26 AM

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thanks

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m8

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 4:26 AM

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I picked up a Gears of War novel

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:26 AM

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Did you read it or listen to it?

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:26 AM

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I read it

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 4:26 AM

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It was... Eh. And I read it.

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:26 AM

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And my vision started to blur

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:26 AM

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Like, I find the audio books on a whole different level.

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:26 AM

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Some may say that

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“It stung”

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:27 AM

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I read Last Light, and now I'm listening to it as an Audio-Book.

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Everything just makes so much imbadatspellingpleasehelp sense.

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and now i half literally every single halo audio book

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that i could find on the google play store

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:28 AM

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I think Im always gonna despise the very idea of The Covenant War 2: Electric Boogaloo

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:28 AM

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What do you mean?

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 4:28 AM

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um what

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:29 AM

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But hoo boi, do I find it hilarious that Jul complains about humans having too many worlds

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When the Covenant are a literal space empire

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:29 AM

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wym about the covenant but again?

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:29 AM

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Its the Covenant. But again

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Thats what they’re called in Halo 4

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Even in Legacy of Onyx, they just call it the Covenant

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:30 AM

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It's not really though.

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:30 AM

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I mean, it is

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 4:30 AM

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Well, the Covenant actually had few colonies, in favor of moveable fleets

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:30 AM

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Thats what 343 chooses to call them

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 4:30 AM

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and High Charity and such

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:30 AM

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And in Legacy of Onyx

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:30 AM

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In Legacy of Onyx it's a bunch of sangheili trying to be pricks on Onyx.

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:30 AM

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When the Battle of Sunion happens

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:31 AM

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No other species to my knowledge.

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Not much of a covenant if it's just Sangheili.

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:31 AM

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They’re all like “FINALLY! The Covenant has been defeated for good!”

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 4:31 AM

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The Servants of the Abiding Truth

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:31 AM

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Yes, I know that in Halo: 5.

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:31 AM

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They TALK about Sunion in Legacy of Onyx

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Also, Jul’s Covenant has the same exact races you fought in CE

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Elites, Grunts, Jackals, and Hunters

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:31 AM

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I'm not saying that was a good story.

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I'm not defending every single story, but I do like the Kilo-5 Trilogy and the two Onyx books.

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 4:32 AM

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But can we all agree that Eric Nylund's descriptions of weapon reloads are mouth-watering?

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:33 AM

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Only if you're talking about the M41 Jackhammer

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:33 AM

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Nylund had this real issue

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Of tying things together a little too much

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Stuff like “Hey, what if the Ship Captain in CE was actually there when John was abducted”

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“And was sleeping with his space mom?”

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 4:33 AM

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It could happen

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:34 AM

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Its a little much

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:34 AM

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I feel like there's bigger issues.

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:34 AM

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Theres also the whole thing about Chief discovering every Covenant race

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Except for Grunts. Possibly

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We dont know for sure

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 4:34 AM

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And Brutes

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:34 AM

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He did tho

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In First Strike

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 4:34 AM

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that was Johnson

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:34 AM

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Hes all like

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“WOAH”

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 4:35 AM

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in Contact Harvest

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:35 AM

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“Big ape aliens!”

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I know

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:35 AM

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I liked the thing about ONI theorizing the grunts to be the "Little Green Men" flying around saucers and crashing into earth centuries ago.

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:35 AM

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But Contact Harvest came out in 2008

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First Strike came out before Halo 2

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 4:35 AM

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Yeah

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:36 AM

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At that point, Nylund WAS the extended Halo universe

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And in that canon, Chief discovers Brutes as well

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The Spartans also get a bunch of BR55s

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 4:36 AM

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Ye

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:36 AM

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And cant stop fanboying over how cool the gun is

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There was also a weird foot note

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It said something like

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“Visit this link to Preorder Halo 2 now!”

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 4:37 AM

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Also didnt they find like, an M6C or something?

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:37 AM

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Maybe that was just my copy

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Nylund also kinda ruthlessly killed every Spartan-II that wasnt the core 4 members of Blue

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“This is Anton. Hes the best at zero-g combat!”

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“Oh no! Anton died in zero-g combat!”

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:39 AM

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I distinctly remember (Daisy?) Getting ripped to shreds and John priming her fusion reactor to blow up some curious aliens.

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 4:39 AM

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But, um... Oh darn.

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:39 AM

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Grace

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 4:39 AM

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You're right.

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:39 AM

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Daisy was the red CQB girl in Legends

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 4:40 AM

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Nylund killed off all the S-IIs who weren't his

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:40 AM

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Hard to get to know some of the SII's, surprisingly enough.

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 4:40 AM

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Besides Blue

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:40 AM

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I mean, thats another nother thing

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Every Spartan-II was characterized by the one thing they were good at

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:41 AM

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What were John and Fred "Good at"?

unique rune Oct 28, 2018, 4:41 AM

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being good at things

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:41 AM

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The thing Fred excelled at was self-crippling doubt

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:41 AM

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Wasn't Fred like, slightly better than John?

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 4:41 AM

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Fred was knives

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 4:41 AM

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@unique rune Good job

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 4:41 AM

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Everyone forgets Fred was knives

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:41 AM

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Which is why hes one of the few relatable Spartan-IIs

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 4:41 AM

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I didn't!

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:41 AM

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@last anchor Don't worry, every book after forgets Fred's good with knives too.

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 4:42 AM

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Also Nylund actually wrote quite a few Spartans, and then killed most of them.

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 4:42 AM

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Fred twirled a combat knife and everybody froze on the POA

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:42 AM

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I mean, a character being good at a certain thing

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 4:42 AM

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Hes the single most prolific S-II murderer out of all Halo authors

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:42 AM

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Isnt a character TRAIT

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:42 AM

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I always found Linda to be pretty distant.

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 4:42 AM

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Yes it is psshhh

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:42 AM

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Thats about as telling as stats on a baseball card when it comes to knowing who the person is as an individual

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 4:43 AM

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Oh same, but that worked really well for her Lone Wolf vibe

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Also she is the best Spartan-II besides John

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:43 AM

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I mean, I think theres a reason why Blue Team feels so underdeveloped in Halo 5. I dont think they made enough of a impression.

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Like, Linda speaks more than Kelly does

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In Halo 5

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 4:43 AM

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Yeah that's odd

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:44 AM

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It would help of the spartan AI was good.

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:44 AM

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And some people insist that Kelly is the moral center of the team

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But she doesnt seem to care about Chief’s declining mental state

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Not as much as Fred, anyway

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:44 AM

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Fred's like freaking out, Kelly consoles him by handing him a rifle.

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:45 AM

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I mean, it goes down like this

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“Hey, Chief. You good?”

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“Shut up Fred— hes fine!”

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 4:45 AM

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I actually like Fred the least out of the S-IIs, but Silent Storm has brought me around a bit

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:45 AM

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I like Fred a lot in Last Light.

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 4:45 AM

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Also lol

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:45 AM

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Fred is pretty good in First Strike, because like I said

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 4:45 AM

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Eh, he's better in Retribution

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:45 AM

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Crippling self-doubt is something anyone can relate to

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Not just genetically superior ubermen

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:46 AM

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"What's your spartan power?" "i killed three people and lost a dropship before the mission started"

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:46 AM

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But then Chief just shows up and relieves him of command

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And his problem is just... gone I guess

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Its not resolved

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:47 AM

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Well, I mean he was doubting his leadership skills right?

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 4:47 AM

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sometimes, plot

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:47 AM

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Then Chief just takes leadership.

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:47 AM

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It just ceases to exist when Fred stops being a perspective character

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He takes up a leader role again in Ghosts of Onyx tho

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And thats also by Nylund

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:48 AM

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the only thing i can think of when i hear ghosts of onyx is "Kurrrrrt..."

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:48 AM

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We’re just sorta meant to assume that he got over it at some undefined point

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:48 AM

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ghosts of onyx
more like ghost of kurt

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:48 AM

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At least in the Dennings books

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You could day that since its a different writer, Fred isnt 100% going to be the same character

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But for Ghosts of Onyx, theres no excuse

full forge Oct 28, 2018, 4:49 AM

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Hm.

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Well, I gotta get up in seven hours. Night you peoples.

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:50 AM

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Speaking of Dennings, Im surprised 343 allowed him to put a “Bad Feely No Touch” dungeon in his book

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 4:51 AM

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They didn't. He did it himself.

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And its not entirely unsurprising

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:51 AM

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Whats even weirder is that Lopis’ story really doesnt have anything to do with overcoming the trauma of her sexual assault

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Unless meeting a hunky superman undoes any sort of deep-seated mistrust of the opposite gender

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 4:52 AM

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I dont think it was ever confirmed to be sexual assault

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We just know she got kept in a basement.

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:52 AM

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Yeah, sure

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Some dude kept her locked in a closet for weeks

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 4:53 AM

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You know kidnapping happens without sexual stuff too right

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:53 AM

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And afterwards she starts to freak out at the prospective of a male touching her

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But totally nothing happened

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 4:54 AM

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Your reading too much into it is what Im saying.
It seemed to me she has bigger issues with claustrphoiba than with that

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:54 AM

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I dont think you’re reading enough

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She specifically says that she fears the thought of a man touching her thighs

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 4:56 AM

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To be fair I dont remember a huge amount about the stuff with Lopis for Last Light.
I remember Mark brutalizing a bunch of Jiralhane

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And Spartans butchering Innies and xenos alike.

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And it being one of the first Halo books I truly enjoyed in a while

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:56 AM

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I remember it because I was dumbfounded that this was even in a Halo book

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And what more— that the story isnt really affected by that trauma

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 4:57 AM

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Thats probably a good thing.

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:57 AM

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Sure, she gets nervous when in tight spaces

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 4:57 AM

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If her character had hung up on that it would have ruined the story

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:57 AM

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But its not like she breaks down and requires emotional support from Fred

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Or anything like that

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 4:57 AM

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I dont know about you but I dont read Halo books to hear about someone getting over PTSD
I read Halo books to see aliens die

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:57 AM

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My guy

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Let me tell you about the concept in storytelling called “The Ghost”

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You see, "The Ghost" is this hang up the character has, often about some trauma or past event, that prevents them from moving on and developing

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 4:58 AM

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Thats fine.

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:58 AM

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Sexual assault would appear to be Lopis' Ghost

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Except... its not.

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 4:59 AM

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Is that a bad thing?

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:59 AM

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It doesnt mean anything

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I mean, yeah

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I dont like sexual assault being used as window dressing for a character

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 4:59 AM

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But its not.

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:59 AM

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But it is

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It serves no purpose in the narrative

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 4:59 AM

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Exactly.

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:59 AM

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Yes

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Hence

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 4:59 AM

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It happened. She doesnt like tight spaces.

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:59 AM

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Window dressing

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 4:59 AM

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She doesnt like being touched.

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So?

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:59 AM

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So it doesnt matter

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 4:59 AM

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Exactly.

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 4:59 AM

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Who cares?

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Why include it at all?

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 5:00 AM

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They don't, not explicetly.

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 5:00 AM

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Except they do

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 5:00 AM

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Until they outright say "yes, Lopis was abused", they didn't.

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 5:00 AM

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They continue to MENTION that she was sexually assaulted for weeks in a dark closet

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But it really doesnt have any impact on the proceedings of the story

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 5:00 AM

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So why does that bother you? Its just sorta there?

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 5:01 AM

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Except, ya know, they more or less did

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 5:01 AM

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Thats honestly Dennings writing style, he seems to have weird hanging stuff all over the place.

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Like in Silent Storm h ow he explains something twice

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For no reason that I can tell

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 5:01 AM

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You can believe that instead of being sexually assaulted, she was simply tickled excessively every day

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But thats really not whats implied

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 5:01 AM

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Thats what you read into it, I didn't.

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And to be completely honest I dont care what happened to Lopis much because she, herself, is window dressing

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 5:01 AM

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Yes, because believe it or not

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 5:02 AM

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I read the book for Fred and SAber

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 5:02 AM

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Theres a little thing called subtext

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 5:02 AM

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And I got Fred and Saber

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And I was happy. Everything else is kinda nice but whatev

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 5:02 AM

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Where the reader is expected to form enough of an engagement with the medium to connect the dots

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I read the book for the story.

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Ya know. The thing the book is about.

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And Lopis is not window dressing by any means. She's the main perspective character.

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But her backstory is

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 5:04 AM

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She's window dressing to me

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 5:04 AM

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But unlike say, ODST, in which Buck and Dare's past relationship troubles matter because the game ends with them ready to try again

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Lopis's backstory of sexual abuse doesnt contribute anything

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Ya see, this is kinda the problem I have with most of the Halo fanbase

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 5:05 AM

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What, that we ignore tiny stuff like this and instead focus on what the series is really about?

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 5:05 AM

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That they see books and any other story as just vehicles for guys in armor shooting aliens

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 5:05 AM

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But...thats mostly what they are

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 5:05 AM

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And dont really seem to care about anything else

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If you consider character development to be tiny

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Then Ill just say that i dont think books are for you, friend

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 5:05 AM

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Mate, I come to Halo to escape all the other weird stuff from other series.
I ran screaming from RWBY because of the subtext.

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I want a series that involves armored badasses destroying aliens. Everything else is just occasional bonuses.

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Last Light had some of the best alien-stomping in a long time. And thats good enough for me

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 5:06 AM

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I mean, I hate to break it to you

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But most Halo books arent strictly about that

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Cole Protocol is about Delgado learning to see past the prejudices present in his community and reevaluate the world around him

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 5:08 AM

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Yes but it also had Adriana bashing Grunts with a Mongoose.

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And Jai going toe to toe with Thel Vadamme and kicking his butt

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 5:08 AM

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Contact Harvest doesnt have a single Spartan in it, and its more or less about Johnson finding redemption by teaching the next generation. Its also a bit of a tragedy, not jsut because a lot of people died, but because there was once a chance the UNSC and Covenant could have had a more peaceful relationship.

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 5:09 AM

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Well to a certain extent, until the Prophets got involved

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 5:09 AM

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Not to mention the tragedy that is the depiction of AIs

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This idea that they're practically human minds

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Bound only by external programming in order to act as tools

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And Sif learns to break the code that binds her in order to truly live

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When at the start, she was very by the book, and chastised Mack for his care-free attitude

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Even the Fall of Reach is about John realizing that despite every attempt the UNSC made

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He never fully lost his compassion for his fellow man

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And hey, compassion for your fellow man doesnt have to be something unique to supersoldiers

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 5:13 AM

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Not really, its just an important human thing period

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Well, sentient thing

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Doesnt have to be human only

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 5:13 AM

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So, really, to say that the Halo books are just about things blowing up and dudes in armor posing heroically

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Is pretty insulting to the people who spend thousands of hours in order to make these books

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Someone who spends that much time on a single project isnt about to let it launch without some sort of emotional core

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 5:15 AM

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I never said they didnt have them. Its just not what I look for

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 5:15 AM

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You told me that I was "looking too much into it" when I said that Lopis was a victim of sexual abuse

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As if the author could not have possibly meant anything more than what was written explicitly on the page.

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 5:18 AM

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And that bothers you? You know you can just ignore it and enjoy the rest of the book like I did.

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Or get bothered by the fact Mark basically commited a war crime or two...

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Or, you know, enjoy the image of Veta riding a locked-up S-II down a hill

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Seriously all hail the Fred Sled

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 5:20 AM

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Calm down bois

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Just some books

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It’s all just a different combination of the alphabet

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Ink

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Paper

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Some spaces and some punctuation

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 5:21 AM

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Ands words themselves are just specific noises we make and agree have some sort of intrinsic meaning

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Whats your point?

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 5:26 AM

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You just made it yourself actually. Its fiction.

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Is this like the ragefest that happened with Pottermore but on a smaller scale?

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Anyway speaking of books oh boy, Battleborne...

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 5:29 AM

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I mean, yeah. Stories are fiction.

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 5:29 AM

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Im sucking my teeth on this one

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 5:29 AM

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But more often than not, they comment on reality in some way.

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And thus, can have an impact on reality.

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Or how the audience perceives reality.

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Halo Battleborn kinda sounds like a retread of Legacy of Onyx

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Which was already "Halo High School"

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 5:31 AM

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I think LoO was a prototype to see how people took that.

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 5:31 AM

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Even had the same basic plot of high schoolers becoming friends as a crisis unfolds

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And theres a Spartan or two running around

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Though it was kinda more potent in Legacy of Onyx

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When the High Schoolers who start off hating each other were different species entirely

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So, ya know. There gets to be a whole thing about racism and overcoming prejudice.

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 5:35 AM

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We got Tom and Lucy and Mendez too which was dope

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 5:35 AM

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Though it kinda annoys me that the racist bully just dies instead of learning the error of his ways like Molly does

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I guess that guy was jsut so racist, he crossed the point of no return and could never be saved like Molly was

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Forbeck also mentions that one of the bullies may be bit of a crazed psychopath who's legitimately out for blood, but that never goes anywhere

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I can only assume that there were plans for said bully to eventually snap, and try to murder Asum instead of just pushing him around for his lunch money

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In a way, being murdered by a bunch of Sangheili extremists kinda ends up validating the bullies

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I can only assume the surviving two bullies are just gonna end up even MORE racist after watching their friend get snapped in half by a Sangheili

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 5:47 AM

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Probably.

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 5:54 AM

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Can anyone tell my how High Charity is in awakening the nightmare, I thought that thing was obliterated

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 5:54 AM

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it only got a little obliterated

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 5:54 AM

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fair enough

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 5:55 AM

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Obliterated

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 5:57 AM

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I mean, for that matter, the Ark is supposed to be pretty battered post-Halo 3

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But Im fine with it since being on the Ark means Spirit of Fire gets to do something while still being effectively stranded

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Since the Ark is an impossible distance from any other UNSC planet

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 6:02 AM

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Im surprised how fast the ark can make halos

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 6:05 AM

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HW2 mentions the UNSC helped rebuilt the Ark when contact was reestablished with it

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Tragic Solitude had the right idea, just...not stripping Earth for it

severe elbow Oct 28, 2018, 6:14 AM

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Installation 08 was also used as material for the repair.

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 6:17 AM

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I thought 08 was completely distroyed

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:18 AM

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I thought 08 was 04B

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 6:18 AM

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same thing

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:18 AM

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Wot aboot those mini-halos seen in Broken Circle

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 6:18 AM

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i guess 04B is more accurate

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 6:19 AM

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Mini-halos?

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I dont think there were mini-Halos in Broken Circle

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:19 AM

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Yeah, theres like a mini-halo in Broken Circle

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its tiny but it still vaporizes people good

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 6:19 AM

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Thats Shadow of Intent I think

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:19 AM

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Just not on a galactic scale

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Either way--

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 6:19 AM

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Yes, those are a thing. But I think just that particular one

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:19 AM

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They're getting a little too silly with the Forerunner macguffin of the week

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There was also Envoy with its mind control device that allowed you to command a host of super aliens

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And I guess giant birds that EMP planets but otherwise just float impotently in the sky

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The Janus Key was a pretty big thing that HAD to go nowhere.

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 6:21 AM

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Oh yea

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that

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what happened to that

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:21 AM

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You cant just introduce something as huge as "The location of all Forerunner artifacts ever!" in a spinoff story like Spartan Ops

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and expect anything to come from it

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Um, they go to the Absolute Record or whatever

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the monitor there eats the key

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 6:22 AM

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never actually beat spartan ops

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:22 AM

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and then tells Halsey that she's a total goober and should go away

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and then they do.

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 6:23 AM

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I wish jul mdama was still a thing

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:23 AM

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I kinda dont

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 6:24 AM

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I though he was a cool enemy

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:24 AM

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If anything, I kinda wish they thought up Atriox for Halo 4

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 6:24 AM

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Jul mdaddy

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:24 AM

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The Banished are KINDA Covenant 2: Electric Boogaloo, but at least its clear that they're just well equipped warlords

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And the idea of a Brute that's enough of a tactical genius to outmaneuver the Covenant for decades is pretty neat

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 6:25 AM

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jul mdama's storm faction was the Covenant 2

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:25 AM

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I WISH they called it "The Storm"

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Then you could have a level called " Eye of the Storm"

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 6:25 AM

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hm, yea thats a pretty cool name lol

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:25 AM

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Or "The Calm Before the Storm"

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But no. Covenant 2: Now Its Personal

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Imagine a speech by "Mdama in the same vein as Truth's speech in Halo 3

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 6:26 AM

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I felt the introduction of the banished to be weird, like how have we never heard of them if they were that big the whole time thoo

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:26 AM

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"So cower. Run, and hide, if you must. But none of you will spared from the coming Storm."

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 6:27 AM

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I guess you could say he used brute force

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:27 AM

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I mean, at least its new

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Well, the idea of there being a mercenary former Covenant warlord isnt

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But the trailers sure did hype up the Banished a lot

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 6:28 AM

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I like the banished, I just think they should have only been post-covenant

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:28 AM

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Atriox is kinda even admirable in a way

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In the sense that hes willing to recruit Elites

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Despite what their race have done to him

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 6:28 AM

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yea he had a cool intro too

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:29 AM

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I kinda like the reveal that Atriox has been dealing with his own version of the Covenant War

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and had been spanking them hard the entire time

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Meanwhile, all the humans have to fight him is "an old ship, and half a crew to staff her."

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 6:29 AM

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I dont get how they won

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lol

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:29 AM

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Like, humans are SUPPOSED to be the underdogs in Halo

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Which is why Halo 4's "WE are the giants of the galaxy now!" will never cease to annoy me

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Seeing Spartans mow down small-time alien pirates just isnt really that heroic of an image, ya know?

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 6:30 AM

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yea

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:31 AM

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I mean, the games ALWAYS had set up impossible odds

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Its a bit wild to think that Chief survived the events of Halo CE

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ESpecially when TFoR treats him as a team leader without a team

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Fighting purely alone wouldnt have been his strong suit

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 6:31 AM

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how did johnson get off again?

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escape pod?

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:32 AM

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He hopped on a Pelican with a couple other survivors

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Then First Strike happened

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 6:32 AM

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I need to read that

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:32 AM

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I like to think the armory guy questioning Johnson's survival

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Is a nod to how Johnson can die in CE, and yet return in later levels

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 6:33 AM

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or get a audiobook plugs audible

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:33 AM

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Well, it may only be possible if you go from mission to mission via the mission select screen

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rather than starting a new campaign and going through it from beginning to end

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 6:34 AM

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oh yea johnson was killable

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:34 AM

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Yeah, there was no such thing as invincible allies in Halo CE

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 6:34 AM

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forgot about that

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:34 AM

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Which was super annoying when you had to protect Keyes

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 6:35 AM

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ooh yeaa, when he would dump a clip of needles into a dead elite and blow himself up

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fun stuff

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:35 AM

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Was that the only time in the series where the player could trigger a fail state without dying?

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 6:36 AM

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not exactly, the timer on the maw

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:36 AM

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Well, you die in the explosion

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 6:36 AM

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but u still kinda die

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yea

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:36 AM

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But like, its entirely POSSIBLE that Chief could continue fighting the Covenant past Keyes' death

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I mean, the dude disappears for good after a couple more missions anyway

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So its hard to tell how much of an impact he really had for the surviving ground force

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 6:37 AM

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yea cortana portrayed him as like super vital

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:37 AM

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oh, speaking of what-ifs

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Do you think Spartan-IVs, using the TACSIM or the War Games deck, could replicate the events of CE

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And see if they could accomplish what the Chief did?

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 6:38 AM

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yea they could if they wanted

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:38 AM

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Its SOMEWHAT implied that the MCC is Locke looking over Chief's file, after all

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 6:39 AM

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wait, mcc is a simulation

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:39 AM

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Either a "simulation"

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Or simply Locke looking at footage

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Because Chief always has a helmet cam that is recording

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 6:39 AM

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he does?

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:39 AM

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Yeah

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Or at least, Marines do

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 6:39 AM

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He never takes his helmet off during any of the combat

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:40 AM

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And since Im sure ONI wants to see what Spuds are up to

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 6:40 AM

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And Spartans are known to have VISR recording equipment.

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We see that in Fall of Reach

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:40 AM

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Spuds probably do too

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 6:40 AM

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He shows his combat recording

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:40 AM

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ye

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 6:40 AM

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oh yea i guess so

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:40 AM

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So yeah, its very likely that the MCC is Locke marathoning Chief's combat footage

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 6:40 AM

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Cortana probably uploaded all of the stored data to the UNSC whenever she can.

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:40 AM

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Perhaps he gets the Arbiter missions from Halo 2 when he talks to the guy in the trailer

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You could even argue that ODST may be Locke taking a look at the history of his new team mate

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 6:41 AM

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Is there any book that takes place before that rings fired

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:41 AM

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The Forerunner Trilogy

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I kinda only like the first one tho

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The second has a LOT of walking around

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 6:42 AM

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I have the first two

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They are quite boring

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:42 AM

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and the third feels like extended backstory for Halo 4

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Rather than its own story that HAPPENS to tie into Halo 4

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 6:42 AM

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Nobody really cared about the forerunners that much until halo 4 came out

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:42 AM

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Thats not true

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The Halo 3 Terminals were pretty popular

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In fact, they kinda started the trend of Halo games having additional story bits as collectibles

last anchor Oct 28, 2018, 6:43 AM

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And the "diary of" style of lore dropping which was super cool and still is

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:44 AM

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But, returning to the original question--

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Do you think a Spartan-IV could survive Alpha Halo, if they still had all their GEN2 technological advantages?

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 6:45 AM

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I really want a depiction of that battle between mendicant bias and offensive bias

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:45 AM

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Seems like the biggest hurdle would be the Flood levels

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Offensive and Politically Correct Bias

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 6:46 AM

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On a side note, talking about terminals as collectibles got me thinking about achievements, and does anyone else think it's kinda broken that the halo games are backwards compatible and on mcc? It's like double achievements/gamerscore. I mean not that I'm complaining

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:46 AM

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I think its broken that REACH isnt in MCC yet

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Or ODST Firefight

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 6:46 AM

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spartan 4 could survive alpha halo i'd say

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 6:46 AM

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Master Chief collection

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Reach doesn't count

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:46 AM

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Chief is in Reach

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He's an easter egg

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 6:46 AM

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Not in the game

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 6:46 AM

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cough * Chief was in reach * cough *

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:47 AM

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Also-- its literally the only FPS game that isnt in 60fps or 1080p

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ANd Reach could really use the upgrade

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 6:47 AM

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Outside of the mini statue on the crane on lone wolf Chief isn't in game

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:47 AM

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That motion blur on 360 man

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If you pan the camera, you can see Chief in a cryotube

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 6:47 AM

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I wish reach was in mcc

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 6:47 AM

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That isn't chief

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 6:47 AM

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odst was

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:47 AM

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Besides, it literally ends with Six handing Keyes the Cortana fragment

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That leads them to finding Alpha Halo

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 6:48 AM

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That Spartan has the mechanical arm attachment

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:48 AM

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Lets be real here

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 6:48 AM

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Also chief was in the cryo bay as seen in CE, not in a hangar

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 6:48 AM

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he could have been moved lmao

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:48 AM

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The argument that Reach shouldnt be included because Chief isnt the protag is a pretty dumb one

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Why are you arguing for LESS content?

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Dont you want more game in your game?

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 6:49 AM

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more vidya for vidya

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 6:49 AM

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I'm just saying it's called the master chief collection. That's why it isn't in it. They shouldve just threw every game in there and named it something else

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:49 AM

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Dont ya want there to be renewed interest in MCC as a whole

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 6:49 AM

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odst tho

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 6:50 AM

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That would've been something. Every game in an Xbox one collection and also backwards compatible. That's a lot of gamerscore

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:50 AM

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I mean, its not like the MCC cuts out the Arbiter missions

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Even though Locke would have no footage of it

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 6:50 AM

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oh yea the gamerscore in mcc, you get a achievement like every 40 secs

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 6:50 AM

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It's meant to focus on chiefs saga

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:50 AM

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And Reach literally sets up the trilogy

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You hand over the Cortana fragment, and see Halo being discovered

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 6:51 AM

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It’s gamerscore

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:51 AM

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They mention Reach in CE and 2

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 6:51 AM

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Who cares

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:51 AM

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Its not like its completely divorced from the rest of the FPS games

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 6:51 AM

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I like broken stuff like that though

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Gives you more for no reason

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I'm trying to keep my entire gamerscore only from Halo

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:52 AM

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My only issue with a ton of achievements is the annoying task of attempting 100%

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 6:52 AM

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So far so good

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:52 AM

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because some you'll get from just turning on your xbox

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 6:52 AM

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If you want to pay extra money for the same game twice for extra gamerscore that’s on you

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 6:52 AM

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I wonder what would of happened if emile did not die and six went aboard the autumn

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 6:53 AM

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I have mcc and I already have every 360 game

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I'm not paying for anything

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:53 AM

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I mean, so do I

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But I still want Reach at 60fps

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 6:53 AM

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I'd assume most do

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Reach will come when mcc is ready for it

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:53 AM

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And maybe a remaster would mean that they could get rid of the awful motion blur

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 6:53 AM

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And right now it’s not ready

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:53 AM

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Im not even talking about multiplayer

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Just give me campaign

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 6:54 AM

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haha reachs motion blur

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10/10

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:54 AM

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And I imagine thats as simply as taking the .map files for each level

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and dropping them in

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 6:54 AM

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Could you imagine every game with h2a graphics?

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No it’s not

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It’s far from

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 6:54 AM

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the engine is not part of mcc

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odst used 3's engine, thats why they added it

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:54 AM

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No, the way Halo games work is that every level and multiplayer map is on their own .map file

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And each .map file has a ton of assets used in that level

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Its why modding Custom Edition is as simple as downloading a .map, and dropping it in your folder

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 6:55 AM

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yea but reach's engine is not implemented

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 6:55 AM

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You'd play every game and it'd look like one game split up like the og trilogy is

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Yeah you’re right just ctrl+c ctrl+v boom mcc reach

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:55 AM

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And yet that one .map file can be radically different than another

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The issue would come with upscaling the game to 1080p and forcing to run at 60fps

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 6:55 AM

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Wait a minute

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CEA used reach's models

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:56 AM

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I'd imagine that they would rather use the original uncompressed audio and visual assets in order to do that

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 6:56 AM

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if I take a .map for POA on halo ce and drop it in halo 2 pc's maps folder, I cant play halo ce on halo 2

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:56 AM

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rather than upscale stuff

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And the reason why I know future Halo games still use the .map file

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Is because the reason why you couldnt use the DLC armor in Halo 4's Spartan Ops

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 6:57 AM

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If Combat evolved anniversary used reach's engine shouldn't the engine already be in mcc?

unique rune Oct 28, 2018, 6:57 AM

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CEA didn’t use Reach’s engine iteration

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 6:57 AM

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It’s not the same engine

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 6:57 AM

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oh wait

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ur right

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 6:57 AM

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Eh

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:57 AM

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Is because each of the 50 .map files would have to be updated with those new assets

unique rune Oct 28, 2018, 6:57 AM

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CEA is just CE with a new skin

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:57 AM

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So they just didnt bother

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 6:58 AM

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oh not not engine textures

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 6:58 AM

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Each game uses a rebuilt version of the previous games version of the blam engine

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 6:58 AM

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my bad

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 6:58 AM

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I liked reach's models

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:58 AM

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Point is, I doubt Reach is really that much of a herculean task

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 6:58 AM

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They are still some of the better ones

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It requires countless hours of engine work

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 6:58 AM

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I love reaches animations

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:58 AM

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I think we all know that the REAL reason is because 343 has decided that their manpower is better spent elsewhere

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 6:58 AM

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Yeah

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Fixing mcc

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:59 AM

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Whether that be for the updates Halo 5 received during its lifespan

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Or Infinite

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 6:59 AM

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The elites in reach are probably my favorite out of all the games

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:59 AM

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With MCC being left with a skeleton crew

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 6:59 AM

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i'd rather them spend man power making halo infinite has good as it can be

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 6:59 AM

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It’s far from a skeleton crew.

unique rune Oct 28, 2018, 6:59 AM

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~~Reach Elites are the ugliest Bungie Elites~~

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:59 AM

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Granted, Im pretty sure 343 outsourced a lot of MCC to Certain Infinity

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 7:00 AM

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i really do wonder what infinite gameplay will look like in the new engine

carmine sleet Oct 28, 2018, 7:00 AM

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@orchid kettle You have no idea how game engines work. It's not as simple as a drag and drop of a bunch of files and Reach is in the MCC. It'd take them a while to get Reach working in the MCC

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 7:00 AM

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There a whole section of the studio dedicated to legacy

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 7:01 AM

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And chances are, that team isnt capable of upscaling Reach and forcing to run at twice the game speed

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 7:01 AM

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I just hope infinite has cutscenes like H2A

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Those were some nice cutscenes

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Oh they’re capable. They just don’t have the free resources

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They’re focused on fixing the core of mcc first

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Once mcc is where it should be, then they’ll add more to it

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 7:02 AM

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I mean, the people attempting to overhaul the UI and fix matchmaking arent necessarily the ones responsible for porting the previous games

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 7:02 AM

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I just realized we've been in lore and universe this whole time

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That’s not really related to my statement

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 7:03 AM

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Creating a more functional UI is a task for designers and programmers, sure. But perhaps not the same people who would have to get an 8 year old game running at twice its intended framerate

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And at a better resolution

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 7:03 AM

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Shouldn't we move this to #general-chat @versed helm

languid escarp Oct 28, 2018, 7:03 AM

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was anyone else dissapointed by halo wars 2 cutscenes, like they look amazing, but the cartography was hard to follow, kinda

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 7:04 AM

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Probably because they weren’t made by blur like H2A

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 7:05 AM

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Heck, Im pretty sure the MCC began to support 4k resolution with the Xbox One X

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Though I honestly think trying to make every thing 4k is a poor use of new hardware

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 7:05 AM

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Ok nevermind then

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 7:06 AM

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Actually, another big thing would be netcode

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 7:06 AM

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HW2 didn’t have the honor of blurification

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@orchid kettle move it to #471742309994594326

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 7:06 AM

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I think its telling that it wasnt until MCC that you could play Halo 2's campaign online, and it also had terrible de-syncing issues

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While CEA at least had already been released in 2011

unique rune Oct 28, 2018, 7:07 AM

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HW2’s cutscenes weren’t Blur?
Huh. TIL.

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 7:07 AM

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Pretty sure they weren’t

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 7:08 AM

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I mean, a quick google search seems to suggest that Blur WAS responsible for the pre-rendered cutscenes

unique rune Oct 28, 2018, 7:08 AM

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I could have sworn Blur worked on the cinematics.

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 7:09 AM

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https://www.halopedia.org/Halo_Wars_2_credits#Blur

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 7:11 AM

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Hmm. Don’t know what I was thinking

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 7:12 AM

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They really could have done better job in Awakening the Nightmare

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Watching those Brutes’ faces move was horrifying

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Like half melted clay monsters

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 7:13 AM

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Whatever they did it was definetly cheaper than the service they did on H2A

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Maybe it’s just the style

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Who knows

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 7:14 AM

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I kinda wished they used the new Marine designs we see in the main menu

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They might not be as "cool" as Halo Wars 1 Marines, but I think the chunky metal bois looked more fitting for Halo

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https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/halofanon/images/b/b7/Halo_wars_2_marines.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20170808025323

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Because, ya know. CE's visuals were inspired by stuff like Alien and Starship Troopers

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Whats funny of course is that they're not that different from Halo 4 Marines. Which just goes to show how a design can be improved with some slight alterations, particularly to color

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People talk about how they want a return to a "realistic" style, but I dont think the UNSC were ever meant to be realistic. They were just bulky and rough compared to the sleek and pristine aliens.

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Which granted, theres a bit of an overlap now with Brutes being bulky (or perhaps more accurately, jagged), and Forerunners being even MORE sleek and pristine.

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Though the Banished expand on that by adding an element of improvisation. As if they fashioned all their gear by meshing whatever they could find together. Like how Atriox's armor includes an ODST chestplate as a belt buckle.

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 9:49 AM

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Are spoilers for the Official spartan field manual still in place?

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Just got ym copy and a lot of interesting stuff

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It's been over a month, but I want to be sure

carmine sleet Oct 28, 2018, 10:02 AM

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You are safe to talk about it here now @versed helm

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 10:04 AM

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I don't get it

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Looking at the spartan IV augmentations. Whya re they weaker than the IIS physically?

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Looking at the list of augmentations it seems like IVs should be physically on par with IIs except for bone durability

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I see. They didn't have their entire nervous system basically replaced, and the chemicals injected in the IIs made their muscles not only stronger, but denser

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wait a minute... the IIs never went through gene therapy. Meaning unless they went through it later in their careers they'll experience the effects of aging

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By the time the IVs come around it'll be too late unless they can reverse the efects of aging. Most IIs are in their 40s and 50s by the time the IVs came around

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The more I read of the IVs augs vs the IIs the more I realize how barbaric and nearly relying on chance the IIs augs were.

obsidian thistle Oct 28, 2018, 3:06 PM

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I just remembered Halo 5 has the oddity of Blue Team during the Meridian levels. Why did they even take a detour away from the mines to Meridian Station.

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I mean plot required Osiris get out the mines at Meridian Station so having Blue Team use the portal there as a entrance filled that purpose. And it does get ONI/UNSC that "John is dead footage".

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But we have no idea why.

carmine sleet Oct 28, 2018, 3:11 PM

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Aye, that is an oddity for certain. Maybe there was something Chief and Blue Team wanted to check out

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But even then, they would've either walked from the mines to Meridian Station or flew. And at that point, it would've made more sense for Blue Team to land their Prowler at Meridian Station

obsidian thistle Oct 28, 2018, 3:15 PM

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Trailers and external media showcase a lil bit of Blue Teams run to Meridian Station.

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But nothing major

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All we have really is the timeframe John was captured "dying".

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October 25 2558 at around "0833"

carmine sleet Oct 28, 2018, 3:16 PM

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Indeed

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 5:32 PM

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@versed helm There really isnt much of a reason why, after 30 years of advancement, they cant IVs as strong as IIs

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I suspect its because since IIs are so fanatically worshipped, both in-universe and by the fans themselves, that 343 felt like it was necessary to confirm that they still had the biggest power level around

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 5:35 PM

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Actually I heard that S-IV augmentations are primarily chemical and not as intrusive as S-II augs

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 5:35 PM

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You’re thinking of IIIs

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The IV augs listed in the field manual are PRETTY intrusive

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 5:35 PM

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Am I? I haven't read the Field Manual

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 5:35 PM

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After all, do you know how you lengthen limbs in reality?

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 5:36 PM

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Yes

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It's terrifying

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 5:36 PM

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It aint pretty

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To be honest

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I dont see the tactical benefit of making super soldiers giant

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Doesnt that just mean you cant put them in undercover operations

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Because they’re too visually obvious

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And its not like you HAVE to be a certain size to fit in MJOLNIR. Lucy’s got GEN2 in Legacy of Onyx, and shes 5’2”

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 5:39 PM

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There's a benefit to intimidation

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 5:40 PM

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But at the cost of being able to undertake certain operations?

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Its especially pointless in the case of the IVs, because it doesnt appear that their muscles are messed with that much outside of fixing their now broken limbs

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And its assumingely why Thorne is so light compared to Chief despite being a similar height

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 5:42 PM

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I suppose that they wanted Titans as opposed to Gremlins

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 5:42 PM

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Of course, Thorne’s got friggin Titanium bones

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A titanium skeleton would weigh a whole lot more than just a little coating of carbide or whatever they called it

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For real, why did they choose to make the IVs part MJOLNIR

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They’ve got Titanium-A bones

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And their muscles are augmented with similar material as the tech suit

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Its just a bit ridiculous

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And they apparently dont age either

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 5:45 PM

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Because if you can go overkill

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Go overkill

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 5:45 PM

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Titanium Bones is more than just overkill

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The polymuscle seems weird as well because it sounds like its mainly just used to sew your limbs back together

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 5:46 PM

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"We heard you like Mjolnir, so we put Mjolnir under your Mjolnir, so you can Mjolnir while you Mjolnir."

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 5:46 PM

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What was wrong with the original idea of their muscles just getting denser

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And the carbide just being a light coating

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 5:47 PM

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It's not hardcore enough

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 5:47 PM

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Because remember, it couldnt exceed more than 3% of the bone mass

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 5:47 PM

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Idk

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 5:48 PM

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Someone also mentioned that the way IV’s get their reflexes enhanced

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Would actually end up giving them Parkinson’s in real life

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 5:48 PM

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Good thing it's not real life

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 5:49 PM

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Heres the thing

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 5:49 PM

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According to Midnight in the Heart of Midlothian, cancer has an easy cure

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 5:49 PM

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Titanium IS real

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 5:49 PM

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I'd imagine they've cured Parkinson's too

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 5:49 PM

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And I think anyone would question the ability of being able to have titanium bones

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 5:50 PM

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Nah man, unbreakable bones to give you that extra mile

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 5:50 PM

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You wouldnt be able to move

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And probably die

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 5:50 PM

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With Mjolnir though

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 5:50 PM

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Because your bones cant function as actual organs now

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 5:51 PM

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well, it is science fiction

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 5:51 PM

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And they were fine before

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Just lift the Spartan-II augs wholesale but just say they’re safer

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 5:52 PM

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Was it retconned?

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 5:52 PM

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What IS strange is the idea that you can just inject three chemical into your system and be a super soldier

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Which is what the Spartan III augs were

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 5:54 PM

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Science fiction

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 5:54 PM

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Like I said

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We know how things work

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Its why its so weird when Nightfall insists that firearms need electricity

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Because we have firearms now, and know how they function

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 5:56 PM

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yeah Nightfall is weird, but I thought it was, firearms are technology

carmine sleet Oct 28, 2018, 5:56 PM

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I always saw that as them turning off stuff like ammo counters on their weapons in Nightfall

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 5:56 PM

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Not that they need electricity

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 5:56 PM

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They say they need electricity to fire

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Because they cant just pull the trigger BEFORE they “turn the weapon on”

feral perch Oct 28, 2018, 5:56 PM

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I haven't watched Nightfall in a long time

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 5:57 PM

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The stupid thing is, there was already an explanation for the group to not shoot each other

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“Hey, guns make a lot of noise. If you make a lot of noise, the worms will find us all!”

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But they dont use that excuse. They insist that guns dont work unless you flick the power on.

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 6:02 PM

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Maybe guns are built differently in the future

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It’s 550 years in the future. They’re probably more complex than a firing pin and a spring

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:03 PM

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I mean, they’re still using 7.62 NATO

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A round that exists today

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Not to mention that a lot of Halo firearms are less effective than their modern counterparts

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 6:04 PM

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That’s debatable

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:04 PM

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Like the MA5 series only having an effective range of 300 meters

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You really have to TRY to make a gun that fires 7.62 and have that terrible of a range

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 6:04 PM

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But then again, it’s a sci-fi shooter. Not a realistic military shooter

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Give some slack

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7.62 AP cant penetrate titanium that well if not at all yet an AR can kill a spartan ez

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:05 PM

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I mean, they’re very obviously firearms and nothing until Nightfall suggested that they needed electricity

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Even Bad Blood contradicts Nightfall

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Having Buck state that his weapons are still perfectly functional despite the Guardian’s EMP

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 6:06 PM

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🤷‍♂️get hired at 343 and fix it

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:06 PM

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Which makes sense, considering theres nothing electrically powered during a firearm’s operation

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 6:06 PM

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Maybe not for our guns in the present

humble yacht Oct 28, 2018, 6:07 PM

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Maybe it’s an electric safety

orchid kettle Oct 28, 2018, 6:07 PM

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Armor Piercing can have different cores

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Not just steel, but sometimes something as heavy as depleted uranium

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Which they explicitly mention when Silent Storm rolls around

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Titanium-A is also not Titanium

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If its lighter that probably means its less structural strong than pure Titanium

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Though according to Halo Encyclopedia, Titanium-A is special because its "strengthened at the molecular level"

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@humble yacht The problem with the idea of an electric safety is that theres apparently no trace of power when the gun is in "safe mode"

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Therefore, it requires power to turn on in the first place

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Which just means an EMP would render a ground force defenseless

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It makes as much sense as the sheath of a knife requiring an electric lock

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Theres just no point

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But yeah, if the UNSC can just make Titanium But Better In Every Possible Way, then they could probably make some pretty hard AP cores as well

hoary fiber Oct 28, 2018, 8:13 PM

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the forerunner tech was magic up until a few years ago to the humans. The human explanation that it is electricity being the issue, could just be an incorrect analysis on the human's part? The gaurdians being made to police worlds probably have some scary reality warping abilities that just seem like electricity is the problem.

versed helm Oct 28, 2018, 9:01 PM

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A few things

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The IIs augs are way more chemical than the IVs

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IVs have organs replaced and muscles attached and reconstructed

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Also, bigger is better for a soldier. Larger size means you can have larger muscles meaning you're stronger

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compare the strength of a guy under 6ft to someone like 6'8"

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Reasons why weight classes exist