Not really delve into the actual story of the game
#lore-and-universe
orchid kettle
Like, Deliver Hope is canon. But it also primes you for Noble Team to drop like flies over the course of the campaign
obsidian thistle
Halo 3 is the 3rd Battle of Mombasa.
Believe goes over the 2nd Battle of Mombasa.
And I can only assume the 1st is Halo 2s events.
humble yacht
No noble team members died in deliver hope
humble yacht
Is it stated that Thom died on that cruiser?
orchid kettle
Hes pretty dead
humble yacht
I thought he died elsewhere
humble yacht
He turned tail and tried to escape
obsidian thistle
Oh thats his implied death. The noble team bios however explain it weird
humble yacht
it's not like he resigned himself to death
last anchor
He just couldnt run fast enough
orchid kettle
Theres suddenly a "Now Hiring" ad for Noble Team
humble yacht
Do we know the date that Deliver Hope takes place?
orchid kettle
Before Reach
humble yacht
and Thom's death date, exact
orchid kettle
And Thom takes the nuke from her
humble yacht
I know the ad, I've seen it several times
humble yacht
I didn't
orchid kettle
You did. You just said you thought he died elsewhere
humble yacht
I just don't assume anything unless I see it explicitly
orchid kettle
And not on the ship he nuked
orchid kettle
I mean, we dont see Forge or Jorge get radiated into skeletons
obsidian thistle
Thats its source
orchid kettle
But they're pretty dead
humble yacht
Is that Deliver Hope's date too?
orchid kettle
We TECHNICALLY dont see Carter die either. But he also explodes
obsidian thistle
Even if Jorge was alive. He would die of starvation.
humble yacht
There are some things that I can attribute to tasteful cutaway
orchid kettle
Hes dead jim
humble yacht
Thom's "death" scene in DH was ambiguous enough to suggest that that was not his final mission
orchid kettle
The leading cause of death for Halo characters is dying in a sacrificial explosion
sturdy arch
what
last anchor
Out with a bang
humble yacht
And the source provided by CIA doesn't really suggest that DH is where Thom died
humble yacht
that description could apply to any number of mission scenarios
orchid kettle
He has left this mortal coil
sturdy arch
What is ambiguous about a nuclear detonation?
last anchor
I think some of the old lore said Kat lost her arm on the same mission Thom died
last anchor
I dont remember though
humble yacht
Thom ran and had a jet pack
orchid kettle
He doesnt have to worry about a halloween costume
humble yacht
he could have jumped out, survived, and died on another mission before the Halo Reach game
orchid kettle
Because now hes a charred skeleton
humble yacht
If anything, the tone of DH makes you think things in Reach won't end so bad
it gives you hope
orchid kettle
Hope, at the cost of countless sacrifices
humble yacht
Which makes playing Reach all the more powerful when things get hopeless
orchid kettle
Hence Cortana in Reach
sturdy arch
Yeah there is no deliverance of hope in that trailer without Thoms death
sturdy arch
What’s the point of making a dramatic scene like that if he magically escapes
orchid kettle
"Thom had to go back to his home planet"
"Hes loving life on the farm upstate, where he gets to chase all the rabbits he likes"
sturdy arch
Also the beeping clearly is getting down to detonation in the final seconds
last anchor
Im not going to lie, when the first trailer for Reach came out, it made it sound like it was post book.
Which I think would have been super cool. Im alright with what we got but at the same time I kinda wish it hadn't clashed so much with the lore
I wanted to fight a gurilla war on Reach with the surviving IIs
orchid kettle
My only issue is that I dont see why Reach timeskips so much
It creates a disconnect between missions
Where they dont start naturally flowing into each other until Exodus
orchid kettle
Like, why didnt Sword Base open up with the Halsey Debrief
Which would have linked the end of Winter Contingency with the beginning of Sword Base
sturdy arch
“You don’t see his body disentegrate so it didn’t happen”
obsidian thistle
"I’ve seen some chatter on the forums lamenting the overt story spoilers contained in this spot. There are none. This piece was crafted to deftly place Noble Team in the midst of a battle set prior to the events of the game. Astute viewers have already noticed that the story told here depicts the moment Kat sacrifices her arm, and the mission where the original Noble Six sacrifices everything."
sturdy arch
🤔
orchid kettle
"You're stepping into some shoes the rest of the squad would rather leave unfilled"
"Because our old Noble Six is just out on vacation. Trust me. He sent me a postcard like a week ago."
obsidian thistle
@humble yacht hope that solves that for ye btw :)
orchid kettle
"He went out for milk 15 years ago, but Im sure he'll be back any second!"
humble yacht
Ok yeah I accept that article as definitive
I won't lose sleep over it
Because I always accepted that Thom dies before Reach
last anchor
The question was just when.
And now we have a solid answer.
humble yacht
yeah
orchid kettle
So starting Silent Storm
Ya know, Nylund did this too, but I honestly cant imagine Steve Downs speaking for as long as Chief does in some of the books
last anchor
Remember, Silent Storm is him at 16 I think. He probably got less and less chatty as time went on
orchid kettle
Thing is, Chief being 16 means hes been an indoctrinated child soldier for 10 years
last anchor
So? They were pretty chatty in Nylunds stuff.
He doesnt talk much in the games. So what?
orchid kettle
Not really. Not to this extent.
last anchor
Doesnt mean he doesnt talk ANYWHERE
orchid kettle
Not to mention that theres the idea of the Spartan Smile. This small gesture that was supposed to be the furtherest they were willing to go in terms of personal expression
last anchor
And yet, we only ever see it in Ghosts of Onyx and never again since then. A pity really its a cool idea
orchid kettle
Because like, isnt part of the tragedy that the kids were never able to become fully socially capable
And forced to hide their emotions
And thats why Kurt was so special. Because he was the most “normal” in a way
last anchor
Followed closly by Jorge
orchid kettle
The reason why its strange to me is because 343’s whole thing has been shining a spotlight on just how truly evil the Spartan-II Program was
last anchor
More like they gave it to Traviss and she butchered it like a starving Marine consuming a Kig-Yar
orchid kettle
The Kilo-5 trilogy revolves around that, Hunt the Truth, and animated Fall of Reach ups the ante by having kids die during training
I mean at the end of the day
Someone at 343 read the Kilo-5 books, and gave them the go ahead
Oh, and the intro to Halo 4
The Halsey Interview
What a minute
Dont Covenant ships use gravity manipulation or whatever to move
last anchor
Some of them do.
orchid kettle
Because for some reason, Silent Storm has them leaving contrails
But they’re in space. And the ship’s means of propulsion shouldnt actually have any exhaust
last anchor
Are they in deep space or edge of the atmosphere? The opening takes place at the far edge
orchid kettle
Still, its gravity manipulation
Theres no “propellant”
Which is the term they keep using
last anchor
I think theres some propellent.
They dont ALL fly using gravity manipulation. Some of their engines do require fuel
I think its only the really REALLY big ships
orchid kettle
I mean, Banshees have some sort of anti-gravity stuff going on
Isnt that why they can just hover in place
Yeah, its a “Gravity Propulsion Drive”
If you can fit that on Banshee, you can fit that on just about anything
last anchor
Banshees leave contrails too though remember
orchid kettle
I guess “Impulse Drive” is what they use on stuff like Seraphs
Which is a more traditional “fuel goes in, thrust and exhaust goes out” system
Which seems weird when you already have miniature anti gravity tech, but OK
Well, contrails are just clouds
But I assume its more of the streak of an impulse drive
onyx cloak
Due to the seraphs being used so little in the games, it would not surprise me that seraphs are going obsolete and have outdated tech
feral perch
Spartan smile was in First Strike @last anchor
modest marsh
It’s just a weird quirk of the tech to serve gameplay
I’m willing to bet Denning researched how Banshees work in space using this section
The Kilo-5 trilogy revolves around that, Hunt the Truth, and animated Fall of Reach ups the ante by having kids die during training
I recall only the animated series having trainees die, and there were several contradictions between that and Collateral Damage/Silent Storm, so I think 343 is ignoring that version of events
feral perch
Yeah the FoR animated was not great
And didn't even include, ya know, the actual fall of Reach
carmine sleet
I believe that the novel of Fall of Reach is considered the canonical version of the events
feral perch
Anyways here, First Strike page 217, I believe is when the Spartan smile first appears. It happens when MC greets Anton-044 on Reach.
modest marsh
Because like, isnt part of the tragedy that the kids were never able to become fully socially capable
The entire conflict of Silent Storm is that John needs to figure out how to interact with people other than Spartans
last anchor
And he does so, and gets a sweet rank out of the deal too
severe elbow
Well, the rank was part of operational necessity. Probably wouldn't have happened exactly the same without the danger posed by Nyeto.
young yew
howdi pal
last anchor
Actually come to think of it who thinks the Stanchion could fire different ammo for different jobs?
Maybe its got sabot ammo like the SRS99
modest marsh
Stanchion is by all metrics, way stronger than the SRS
SABOT doesn't really help the already tiny penetrator
last anchor
I mean it could have a larger barrel designed for a larger round carrying a higher density sabot penetrator
Like what the SRS99 has but on steroids
The .22 we know is utilized for anti-infantry work but you can swap barrel and magazine for something heavier to punch through vehicles
modest marsh
the barrel length on a coilgun that already spits rounds at Mach 40 doesn't need a longer barrel
last anchor
Not length, width
modest marsh
wider projectiles?
modest marsh
At that point just use the ARC-920
last anchor
Doesnt have the range.
At least, not in its current form
The ARCs designed as a mid to close range anti-heavy weapon
modest marsh
Having a wider projectile inhibits long range potential
last anchor
Slightly wider. Like, the difference between 5.56 and 7.62
modest marsh
and for that matter, it should still be more accurate at long range than conventional weapons
last anchor
Or maybe even smaller
modest marsh
the differences would be minuscule then
last anchor
Im just saying its possible.
Cause for something labled and AMR the SRS99 handles seriously weird
And I'd like to have a nice deliniation between "sniper rifle" and "anti material rifle"
In the same way there's a nice deliniation between the M98 bolt action and the R700 military models
AMRs, for the most part, are NOT utilized as anti-infantry. They can be, but their real job is destroying material.
So if the Stanchion does show up in game it would have to fill a different role, or replace the current SRS99
modest marsh
it would just be another sniper rifle variant with a charge cycle
obsidian thistle
There is also numerous versions of the Stanchion. The Graphic Novel version and the Halo Wars 2 one
last anchor
^
I thought so...
Cause the one in HW2 is mobile with no generator
And a different barrel shroud
modest marsh
I don't think that will actually ever be recognized, but for that matter, it could just be different parts attached to it rather than a different rifle
obsidian thistle
The Halo Wars 2 one though is a Spirit of Fire manufactured variant
We like have a name for it
last anchor
It looks to me like Isabel took the Spirits existing SRS99 manufacturing capabilities and built the materials for a Stanchion around it
obsidian thistle
last anchor
Which is dope for me cause causplayyyyy
modest marsh
that's specifically one that's been modded for their use, but it isn't a different rifle
putting a grenade launcher on an AR doesn't make it a new gun
carmine sleet
I kinda hope we get to see an MA5 with a grenade launcher at some point in a game, surprised we didn't see one in Halo 5
last anchor
I believe there were plans for it at some point but it got removed for balancing issues
carmine sleet
Understandable
last anchor
And/or COD syndrome. Most likely the former though
carmine sleet
Indeed
last anchor
I mean we do have the M319
obsidian thistle
Actually when a new version of a existing weapon/vehicle is made its usually given a new term
modest marsh
the M12 is still called the M12
obsidian thistle
But it has a M12B chassis
last anchor
And the variations sporting additional weaponry
modest marsh
Those aren't given a separate name for having a different armament
last anchor
And to bring it back to the earlier mention, we have the M82, and the M95, the latter of which is basically the same weapon but bullpup
And yes, they are.
There's the Light Recon Vehicle (the chaingun hog) the Light anti-armor vehicle (Gauss cannon) light anti-air (rocket pod), transport, scout, etc
They all bear different disgnators as well.
obsidian thistle
modest marsh
That's a pointless distinction given that all Warthogs occupy all 3 of those roles simultaneously
last anchor
Except they don't.
modest marsh
the M41 machine gun is literally referred to as an anti aircraft gun
and is used to disable lightly armored vehicles
the gauss cannon is similarly just as capable of taking out airborne aircraft and infantry
same goes for the rocket hog
obsidian thistle
I am still curious if the B in M12B is used in variant names.
Like the Halo 5 Rocket hog could be named the M12BR LAAV
modest marsh
because it's incredibly asinine
last anchor
I doubt it is CIA. I think the variant name applies no matter the underslung chassis, since I dont think it changes much.
And Im fairly certain you can take the armorment from a B-class Warthog and place it on a non-B class and it'll work just fine. UNSC tech tends to be highly modular
orchid kettle
TBH, I wish they wouldnt make EVERY thing that slightly looks different from game to game be canonically a brand new entity
Like, I cant be the only one who doesnt see why they couldnt just say that the magnum in Halo 5 is now the canon design of the M6H
Especially when the M6H was just the Reach model but with less detail.
As opposed to making it "M6H2"
carmine sleet
It's like real world pistols, there's multiple versions of each model
obsidian thistle
I find it cool
orchid kettle
Like, thats kinda the benefit of a fictional universe. You can simplify that sort of stuff, and keep focus on the stories that unfold.
obsidian thistle
The fun thing about these variants is. They are folks that care about it
You can ignore em
carmine sleet
It adds to the world, like, not everyone will use an M6G, some will have M6Cs or M6H2s because of personal preference, sure we don't see that in game but still
orchid kettle
Im sure no sleep would be lost if the Halo 5 design overwrote the previous design
Especially when Halo 4 was full of reused Reach assets, so it wasnt really until 5 that 343 could actually impart their own visual style.
obsidian thistle
If it means anything the Halo 2 M6C is the upscaled version. And the Halo 3: ODST version is the normal version but with a silencer on it
Bungie defined that btw
orchid kettle
Trust me, I dont like it when Bungie did it either
obsidian thistle
I loved it.
orchid kettle
Particularly with the MA5C being an entirely different weapon. Despite them INSISTING that its totally the same, visually speaking.
obsidian thistle
We still dont know the major differences between all the MA5 variants bar visuals.
orchid kettle
The Sniper Rifle changes every game as well, but the SPNKr is always the SPNKr
obsidian thistle
The SPNKr has had changes
orchid kettle
Its always the M90 shotgun in the Original trilogy.
Sure, but they're not different variants. It just looks different because graphics improve over time.
obsidian thistle
Actually the M90 in the og trilogy was different every game
orchid kettle
And sometimes you wanna redesign an old asset
obsidian thistle
The Halo 3 version is the clearest with a name difference
orchid kettle
Like, the Plasma Pistol we see in CE isnt different from what we see in Reach
obsidian thistle
And CEA essentially retconned out the og M90 design. XD
orchid kettle
The Fuel Rod Gun is always the Type-33 (barring 5 of course)
And it looks different in every game
Because artists change their minds over time.
carmine sleet
Isn't the one from Halo 3 meant to be a different model to the one from Reach though?
orchid kettle
What worked in a game made in 2001 may not look the best for a game made in 2010 or 2012
obsidian thistle
Type-33 is a unsc term and isnt the Covie terms btw
sage cairn
what about the CE version?
sage cairn
i cant remember if it was on console
orchid kettle
Point is-- these really no need to overexplain every little detail.
carmine sleet
It's not really over explaining though
obsidian thistle
I still love it all.
orchid kettle
One of the biggest offenders of that was 343 confirming that Red Team actually do have shields in Halo Wars
As if we couldnt just accept that it was a gameplay mechanic
carmine sleet
Like, I'd rather have all these differences in weapons and stuff within the world because it makes it feel more alive
sage cairn
like energy shields? or like actual sheilds
carmine sleet
Also, the thing with Red Team and shields is very different to all the different weapon models
orchid kettle
No, you make a world feel more alive by having characters that feel real and relatable. With stories that speak to the human condition
Or like I mentioned before, even though it wasnt a big plot point in Contact Harvest--
The idea of the Pony Express is really interesting because it shows off the inconvenience of living in the oclonies
carmine sleet
Sure, but having small details like different weapon models add to the world building
orchid kettle
Despite being in a futuristic age, it takes months to get an email back.
THATS world building
Its not a major plot point in Contact Harvest, but its an interesting idea nonetheless
Heck, I even think the Created War or whatever has potential
Because I like the idea of characters having to fly under the radar to survive, scrounging factions to their cause
obsidian thistle
Funny thing about the Shielded Mark IV. 11 Spartans used it. 1 died and 3 went missing. By all reasons that numbers explain why it wasnt more adopted
orchid kettle
Another idea from Contact Harvest that I dont see mentioned a lot
Was how Smart AIs were depicted as being fully realized human minds-- bound and controlled by external programming
@obsidian thistle Thats like saying "Every Spartan-II that died has worn the color green. Thats why Blue Team is blue and brown in Halo 5!"
carmine sleet
It really isn't like saying that though
orchid kettle
It is.
Ever heard of a little thing called "correlation is not causation"?
Like, unless they had proof the prototype shields were exploding the Spartans into chunks
carmine sleet
I've heard of it but what you suggested still didn't make sense
orchid kettle
The truth of the matter is that 343 didnt think fans would just accept that Red Team having shields was just a gameplay concession
obsidian thistle
If 4 spartans died/vanished wearing the experimential shielding technology. It would turn a few heads.
carmine sleet
Indeed
obsidian thistle
Funny note all armor was identical.
orchid kettle
Or if the 3 Spartans that went missing were all rehabilitated washouts
obsidian thistle
By gameplay means
orchid kettle
That means the UNSC stopped trying to uncripple their spuds
obsidian thistle
But its all we have
orchid kettle
The very concept of "prototype gear" really annoys me
Because it just means the writer is fully aware that the technology shouldnt exist
"But shut up, I think its cool!"
Even then, when it comes to shielding, I honestly think it works better if it doesnt exist at all
Of course, Ive always been of the mind that action scenes in written form are more tense if the person we're rooting for is at some sort of disadvantage
And cant be tossed like a ragdoll by a Brute, but get back up with half of his shields still intact
obsidian thistle
Never said it was perfect. There is oddities all over the Halo universe. The Assembly being one I kinda dislike personally.
orchid kettle
The funny thing about the Assembly
Is how they came to the conclusion that controlling Humanity like a bunch of puppeteers WASNT the answer
obsidian thistle
I actually believe we know a member of it actually
orchid kettle
That being said
I think it would have been better if the data pads were more relevant to Reach's immediate story
That being the history of Noble Team
Like, what if the data pads instead told the story of Thom, the previous Noble Six
And the player got to learn WHY the "Rest of the squad would rather leave [his shoes] unfilled"
obsidian thistle
The Data Daps were Bungies way to try and close a lot of non existant holes in the story with the Assembly.
versed helm
And how Noble Six survived in a cave
orchid kettle
He ate bats
versed helm
With Kat, Carter and George too
versed helm
That’s pretty metal
severe elbow
"Noble Six survived in a cave. WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!!!"
orchid kettle
But like, Noble Team got criticized for not being terribly memorable, besides Jorge. Because he was such a sweetie pie
and Emile was edgy
orchid kettle
Having their story expanded in the form of data pads would have lent some in-game development that was sorely needed
obsidian thistle
We actually have a canon photo of the Rookie.
orchid kettle
Like, revealing that Carter and Kat were once in a romantic relationship
obsidian thistle
He wears default armor and was Male. And this was Bungie era stuff
orchid kettle
That shouldnt be information limited to a developer commentary
obsidian thistle
Developer commentary thankfully isnt held as high as in-universe stuff for lore
orchid kettle
But guess what
Macking on each other is what humans do
And it would recontextualize their interactions throughout the game
How he jumps to her defense against Halsey
versed helm
Yeah but George was a sweetie
orchid kettle
How he carries her out of the bunker himself when she dies
versed helm
Even Mendez picked on him
obsidian thistle
Its Jorge btw
orchid kettle
How she makes a joke about him having a tiny pee pee
versed helm
Does she?
orchid kettle
"How long?"
versed helm
Jorge, my bad*
obsidian thistle
*I'd not make that sorta puns if I was you btw. Kinda frowned upon.
versed helm
I reckon Jun survived in the cave too
orchid kettle
Hey man, talk to Kat. Not me.
A lot of people forget Jun survived
Which I cant blame him, because I forget Jun even exists
Personally, I would have shortened Noble Team to 4 members max.
obsidian thistle
343i is trying to showcase he is alive. He is in a lot of post war media.
orchid kettle
Perhaps have Emile's beef be with the player instead of Jorge
So that when he sacrifices himself for us, he redeems himself as well
It'd also actually make good on the idea that Noble doesnt want Six around
Because they dont want someone to try and replace their friend
But no one really messes with you, outside of Kat rudely snatching the data chip out of your hand
orchid kettle
Personally, I'd shorten the team to Carter, Kat, Emile, and Player Man.
Only I'd have Carter adopt Jorge's charisma
and compassion
obsidian thistle
I still kinda wonder how the whole team would of been like. Including the cut members
orchid kettle
And then have Carter die first in place of Jorge
Noble loses its leader immediately
versed helm
Wait they cut members from Noble?
orchid kettle
And theres no one to reign in Emile's rage towards you
I get that they're super special soldiers, so you dont think there would be a ton of interpersonal conflict
But conflict is what makes a story
Not just the macro-conflict of your planet getting glassed
but how your relationships with the people around you are stressed
Yeah, theres supposed to be Rosenda, a big girl with a big machine gun
And Thom at one point was actually meant to be in game
As opposed to being dead before it began
But honestly, Reach was already struggling for excuses to keep the player's interactions with Noble to one member at a time
Because Halo's whole thing is that its one man against the world
So adding more bodies would have just made their characterization even more muddied
versed helm
I don't know
I disagree on the part about Carter dying first.
I think all the deaths of the Nobles were timed quite nicely, and even though it may be viewed as a bit mary-sue, I thought the way they all calmly carried on was also good.
But I definitely see where you're coming from.
orchid kettle
I mean, a lot of people complain about the suddenness of Carter and Kat's death
and I kind agree if only because those two represent Noble's leadership
But its really not a big deal that they're dead, because Carter dies at the 11th hour anyway
But imagine how tense it would be if you were left with Emile
after the whole game has made it clear that the dude absolutely despises you
Yet he sacrifices himself for you at the end
versed helm
You mentioned that Emile has rage against Noble Six
I don't see it quite during the game
orchid kettle
He doesnt. His beef is with Jorge
orchid kettle
Im saying it would be better if the beef was with the player
versed helm
I wonder why though
orchid kettle
Because he just gets over whatever he has against Jorge when the dude drops dead
low idol
carters death was kinda dumb imo
orchid kettle
And at that point, thats kinda all we knew about Emile
was that he was a not nice dude
and butted heads with Jorge
Then hes just kinda sassy.
And thats it
Like, imagine the scene where the Elite Zealot pushes Six down and tries to stab him
But its Emile, trying to break your face in after you got Carter/Jorge killed
He would have already distrusted you because you were sent to be their friend's replacement
And now the second you show up, their leader bites it
versed helm
The original noble
I take it he or she died during the trailer we see before the game?
When they beam up into the ship
orchid kettle
I think it'd be neat in some way if it was even implied that Six ends up on Noble because he messed up too, and cant be trusted to act alone
As opposed to being a "HYPER LETHAL VECTOR, WOAH! WHAT A COOL GUY!"
Yeah, thats Thom. He dies in the Deliver Hope trailer. Its also where Kat lost her arm.
So its a pretty big event in how it relates to Halo Reach. But they dont really talk about it at all
But thats the ODST fan in me speaking. I kinda prefer for my protags to be unproven nobodies.
After all, humanity in general is the underdog in this fight. That should be reflected in the characters.
agile lotus
@orchid kettle I mean, all we know is that 6 is super dangerous and was a Headhunter. We don’t know if he screwed up something to get onto Noble. His file is covered in Black Ink.
orchid kettle
Headhunter? We dont know that. Granted, Six is your player avatar. So I guess their backstory is meant to be left up to the player.
agile lotus
I mean, it’s 100% possible.
tacit cedar
Jorge’s death though😭
Also six was labelled “hyper lethal” alongside John by Halsey but his history was unknown of course because of ONI
And he got sent there after the death of The original noble 6
(Sent to noble team)
The death seen in remember reach
And he most likely he was a headhunter, he was a lone wolf, a quiet spartan , he was a ONI Higher Arch’s Private assassin
Emile was just generally a tempered guy, you could tell he was short tempered with his hatred towards the covenant, he did have beef with Jorge, not really showing with 6, I guess Kat and Carter didn’t really like 6 because the loss of the original One, something they can’t forget.
And after all, most Spartans 3’s came from glassed planets which gave them much hatred toward the covenant.
But Emile had that extra trait.
versed helm
The insurrectionist are those that don't agree with the UEG correct?
tacit cedar
No the unsc
tacit cedar
Wait
severe elbow
The UNSC is part of the UEG.
versed helm
...
last anchor
The UNSC is the military arm of the UEG
tacit cedar
Sec3 is the Screw the rules part
last anchor
ONIs intelligence, it has subdivisions that cover various other things.
versed helm
Mmhm
tacit cedar
A cave that was glassed, havoc nuked and had 50 scarabs shoot at
With the infinity comakaze into
limpid kernel
Luckily he used armor lock
tacit cedar
Everything just passes through like nothing xd
limpid kernel
Passes through and hits Kat instead because she's bad at driving
snow rain
@obsidian thistle did you have a page with all of catalogs answered questions?
orchid kettle
I still find it weird that ONI is referred to as a branch
As opposed to, ya know, being a department of the Navy
last anchor
I think it started out that way, before the war. Then during the Human-Covenant War it absorbed, destroyed, overruled or just outright bought any competing intelligence and espianoge groups
So now its this gigantic monopoly that the UNSC uses for just about everything.
Similar to how the Spartans were once technically attached to the Navy but are now their own thing
unreal thicket
Any references to how the general public sees the sangheili from h4 on? Nightfall we had one in public mall and the crowd didn’t seem to be bothered. How does oni spin the covenant races post war?
orchid kettle
Most people are pretty uneasy about former Covenant species
Which isnt too surprising given that they were part of a genocidal campaign against humanity only a few years ago
last anchor
Sapien Sunrise was a thing
orchid kettle
I cant help but feel that the reason why 343 places so much emphasize on ONI is because they were originally going to be an antagonistic force in Halo 5
At least if that concept art of Chief in his poncho fighting Mini-Metal Gears was any indication
last anchor
Behind the scene changes. Heh
orchid kettle
And of course, the marketing of Halo 5, and the idea that ONI was going to declare him "Dead" to preserve his legend
While assumingly trying to assassinate him
Which seems likely to me, not just because of how prevalent ONI has become in media since 343 took over
But also because 343 tends to not have the most creative antagonist ideas
Such examples being Covenant War 2: Electric Boogaloo, Evil Robots, and now an AI uprising
Evil Government seems like it'd fit pretty nicely
I think thats why people really latched onto Atriox, since he was more or less just a marauder
That, and a Brute being presented as a threat, not just because hes a big boi that can toss Spartans around
But as an actual military leader was pretty new
Like, Jul in a way wasnt your average Sangheili either. But he kinda ended up being too close to the Prophet of Truth
A person taking advantage of their followers and their religious devotion, but not much of a combatant himself
agile lotus
343 seems to be better at showing brute force rather than agile tactics.
woeful sierra
@orchid kettle I actually really liked the direction of Hunt the Truth. In fact, I loved Hunt the Truth. But some bullcrap rewrite was ordered and that's why H5's story actually makes the marketing campaign false advertising
agile lotus
343 and Microsoft dropped the ball in that regard.
woeful sierra
Yeah.
orchid kettle
I liked the first season of Hunt the Truth.
woeful sierra
That's honestly the most disappointing thing for me regarding H5. I mean there were a lot of things. Barebones content at launch, lousy follow up to Halo 4's story, etc.
orchid kettle
Though I still think it'd be more interesting to listen to week to week if we didnt already know the origins of the IIs
brave rover
Why do people still believe NOBLE Six is alive
woeful sierra
But the campaign is so much worse for me because I wanted what the ad campaign promised
woeful sierra
... We see multiple elites stabbing the ground where we just saw him being tackled.
brave rover
Oh
agile lotus
I mean, it was less so about the discovery of the IIs and moreso about the reaction that the public would have about the IIs’ true origins.
brave rover
Attention all Halo gamers
agile lotus
@brave rover It’s a meme.
brave rover
NOBLE Six is alive
orchid kettle
Sure, but Imagine what it'd be like if you had no idea
brave rover
He's been living in a cave on Planet Reach
woeful sierra
Dude, you're kinda spamming in the conversation
agile lotus
It’s a meme, get over it.
woeful sierra
Yeah, it was more about Ben's discovery of it all, versus knowing the true story. Of course we know. The civilians never found out though
agile lotus
@orchid kettle How many new players would’ve actually encountered Hunt The Truth?
woeful sierra
I know you @'d Alpha but I'm gonna say not many at all.
brave rover
"hunt the truth" more like "hunt the disappointment"
orchid kettle
Thats kinda the problem with it being associated with Halo
The people who will be the primary audience already know the secret
woeful sierra
No, that's not the point though
brave rover
It's the cliche "evil AI" story
agile lotus
We’re talking about Hunt The Truth.
brave rover
Yeah I know
That marketing campaign was kinda false marketing, we expected the game to be different
agile lotus
Shut up about 5, focus on the topic and don’t change it.
brave rover
But we got a different one instead
woeful sierra
It's not telling the Spartan II program's origins., rather, it focuses on a journalist getting sick of essentially pumping out propaganda for ONI
agile lotus
Main topic of discussion.
Exactly. And, how many players would’ve encountered the truth for the first time?
orchid kettle
I know. But theres not necessarily a reason why there couldnt be both a mystery to unravel alongside everything else.
agile lotus
The mystery was being built up throughout the season, most likely for those who didn’t know that bit of lore. Where is it mentioned that Spartan IIs are from kidnapped children?
orchid kettle
I mean, literally back in Spartan Ops
agile lotus
Throughout every lore source.
orchid kettle
Even if you only played the games beforehand
That would have been fresh in your mind
Thorne asks Halsey if the IIs were children, and she doesnt really deny it.
brave rover
How about "The Fall Of Reach" animated movie
woeful sierra
Guy
I don't wanna be rude but we have a few people still deep in a particular topic
orchid kettle
Of course, the problem with a series thats been going on for 17 years is that theres really not a ton of mystery left
brave rover
But the more lore related media that comes out
orchid kettle
I still feel like the Flood should have never been properly explained
brave rover
The more it gets convoluted
First we had "The Fall Of Reach" book
Then Halo: Reach
orchid kettle
Once you find out they're just Demi-God Dust
brave rover
Then those other books about The Fall Of Reach
orchid kettle
They're less interesting
brave rover
It messed up the timeline of the fall of Reach
orchid kettle
I mean, not when you read that bit about ancient humans feeding the God Dust to their space dogs
and thats how the Flood began
agile lotus
Then you haven’t seen The Mona Lisa.
woeful sierra
Halo 5's ad campaign was a multifaceted way to establish the "anomalies" that were actually Guardians, instill an intense distrust for ONI, and make us ask the question "Why is Locke hunting Chief? What's happening here? Is ONI making Locke do this?"
orchid kettle
Speaking of Guardians
Why does it seem like all they do is unleash an EMP
We've had two books with them as the final boss
And thats all they kinda do
agile lotus
Because 343 doesn’t know how to do good superunits.
woeful sierra
That's a side effect of their activation. Exuberant Witness says they were used to police worlds
orchid kettle
Call me crazy, but I assume that since they were some sort of mega super weapon, EMPing planets was just one of their tricks
woeful sierra
Hey if you're an advanced civilization with lots of electronics, and something bad is happening, disabling all your tech is a pretty good rap on the knuckles
orchid kettle
Like, if they wanted to get REAL crazy
agile lotus
Sure, they may look somewhat imposing, but they aren’t actually conveying any sort of fear or tension.
orchid kettle
What if Guardians could trap entire planets in slipspace enclosures, ala Onyx
agile lotus
Just a big bad EMP, so what.
orchid kettle
Make the Forerunners mad, and they banish you to the Phantom Zone
That'd be pretty spooky
woeful sierra
I think we can write all of this off as being a nasty side effect of Halo 5's rewrite
orchid kettle
I mean, even in Bad Blood and Legacy of ONyx
All the Guardians seem to do is hang out in the sky, and EMP anything that tries to get close
Except for MJOLNIR, for some reason
Buck explicitly mentions that his armor is one of the few things that still work
agile lotus
Of course they would.
orchid kettle
He also said his gun still works as well
Which gave me Nightfall flashbacks, when characters needed electricity to operate firearms
orchid kettle
And they explicitly say that they cant fire without "turning their weapons on"
Im sure you can shoot a guy point blank even if your special aiming reticule isnt working
woeful sierra
Maybe not.
It's silly, but maybe in 500 years we've designed our firearms to need power.
orchid kettle
Why
woeful sierra
They've always had lights or displays on them, going back to CE
orchid kettle
Yeah-- they're just lights and displays
Reflex sights in reality require a small battery as well
But the gun works just fine without it
woeful sierra
Alright, you have a fair point
agile lotus
For something like a Hydra, I’d understand the need for electricity.
orchid kettle
Whats weirder is that in Legacy of Onyx, Covenant Plasma weapons arent affected either
orchid kettle
Even though. Ya know. They have a power source.
orchid kettle
I mean, if the intent is to "pacify" the planet
You'd think targeting small arms would be part of that
agile lotus
You can’t Plasma Pistol a Battle Rifle or Beam Rifle, but you can with a Mongoose.
orchid kettle
Forbeck states that its not necessarily an EMP
But more like it somehow saps the energy out of every power source
agile lotus
That might make everything worse.
Considering the laws of the universe, and energy conservation.
orchid kettle
Like, those Duracell batteries you've got sitting in the drawer
Are somehow rendered depleted
I mean, when it comes to Forerunners, you dont really have to make sense
Which is personally why I dont think the series ever needed a larger emphasize on Forerunners
Because you cant have a race that is so technologically advanced that it all might as well be magic
But then have their combat robots, using actual weapons designed for warfare, be so easily felled by conventional firearms
Like, you can say that some of the weapons were created to fight the flood
But the Light Rifle is an actual Forerunner weapon.
unreal thicket
Maybe modern firearms don’t use striking pin but rather an electric charge to detonate the charge?
last anchor
Possibly, but they work pretty much the same every other way
feral perch
so you've found an inconsistency
I always thought Nightfall was a tiny bit ridiculous
last anchor
It felt weird
fair hazel
Mystery for the sake of mystery isn't great
We've seen the guardians use their other weapons as well, they're pretty effective. And they`re not quite super mega weapons.
and again, knights and armigers arent quite the forerunner warrior-servant level type soldier. By far
Besides we know that weapons like the incineration canon, as river of light describes, seem to have some of the power dormant in the dead hands of the knights
last anchor
Not to mention the Heartsekeer
fair hazel
so their power isn`t quite unlocked. And the LightRifle IS powerful. It goes right through people, leaving a gaping hole
In a way several of the forerunner weapons, tend to be good at avoiding too much collateral damage.
Forerunner weapons are Highly adapatble.
last anchor
As we saw when they changed from Anti-Flood operations to anti-Spartan in between the games
fair hazel
I should read from cryptum
hm what was the passage
hm not sure if its that one but it does talk about combat wraps to convert personal armour and weaposn
i do like how the book mentions the ship made of a lot of hardlight and adjustable decor and so on
mental viper
@fair hazel i think they're called combat skins
if its forerunner stuff yu're talking about
coarse beacon
I’m working on something and I was wondering. What do Sanghelii eat?
severe elbow
A food called irukan is one thing.
unique rune
Irukan is a grain harvested and eaten by Sangheili. They also eat colo, which is some sort of livestock (IIRC).
coarse beacon
Thanks
carmine sleet
They hunt fish and other animals as well I believe
orchid kettle
They eat food
versed helm
Better yet...how do they eat with those mandibles
Do they blend their food into some sort of liquid goo?
carmine sleet
No, they cook it and chew it
In Bad Blood they have a feast on Sanghelios in the first chapter
last anchor
How do they chew though...
I think they probably just like, tear strips off it with their teteh
teeth
carmine sleet
I'm not an expert on biology so I have no idea
limpid kernel
Maybe the food is stabbed on the teeth of the top mandibles while the bottom ones pull it in their mouth
last anchor
Probably enjoy it
limpid kernel
So how do they kiss
full forge
with like, a head nuzzle or something
limpid kernel
Aw
sullen kernel
Sangheili by all rights shouldn't be able to do a lot of things they do with their mandibles
iirc they can pronounce sounds that they shouldn't be able to from a physiological standpoint
orchid kettle
Thats kinda why I dont like 343 Elites, because their top mandibles are biting into their cheeks
Like, you ever notice how when the Elite in the Halo 4 intro goes to do spread his mandibles, you only see the bottom two move?
Meanwhile, I always thought the best looking Elite was Henry in the animated Mona Lisa
And its not just because he’s naked, I swear
last anchor
The animation on Mona Lisa was freaking amazing.
dusty pilot
LOL
pearl bison
:sweat_smile:
static trench
Hope we get to see the Maethrillian in the future in-universe
Would be nice if Abaddon made a return as well
whole matrix
Oh ya
last anchor
I get the feeling we'll see em both
whole matrix
I sure hope so
static trench
I just want Humanity to advance another tier or 2 and eventually expand into the rest of the universe. I read that there may be Forerunners in other galaxies, but i also heard the same about the Flood and even the Precursors
It would certainly be interesting to see
Also, would be nice to see Star Roads make an in-game appearance
severe bone
You had me at naked elites
low idol
someone know if the flood containment facilities keep the flood alive/feed them? wouldnt they have starved to death over a period of thousands of years?
severe elbow
They can probably feed them nutrients or something.
Could be what the liquid suspending them in their containers does.
humble yacht
In spore form they could be able to survive indefinitely without food. But given that halos support organic life, it’s possible that research facilities provide contained flood with biomass to keep them alive for study.
low idol
does the forerunner trilogy have the most info about the precursors and flood origins?
severe elbow
Yeah.
versed helm
Is yapyap canon?
clear wren
No one knows.
severe elbow
Except for the parts where it's clearly jokes, yes.
Like, he doesn't have Goblins on the Ark, and he probably doesn't have as many Grunts.
clear wren
Oh. I wasn't aware he was confirmed cannon.
carmine sleet
Aye, he's canon, just not many people realise that how many of the leaders are shown in Halo Wars 2 isn't necessarily 100% accurate to the lore
That and some of the leaders are straight up dead, like Arbiter (Ripa), Forge, Serena and Decimus
obsidian thistle
Banished Goblins are canon however. But if Yapyap has many or any at all is a mystery
carmine sleet
Indeed
versed helm
Praise be yapyap
obsidian thistle
If Pheonix logs and a Grim filled Community update is to be believed. He has at the very least 3 of them.
Which is what Halopedia uses xD
carmine sleet
I love that one of the Goblins has the name "Andy" written on it's foot
obsidian thistle
Fun fact while the Halo 5 Grunt Goblins have the weapon on their right arm without a hand.
The Banished Goblin have 2 hands with the weapon imbedded into the left hand.
Kinda a weird piece of trivia.
https://www.halopedia.org/images/4/49/H5G_-_Goblin_render.jpg
https://www.halopedia.org/images/d/d3/HW2-BlitzGoblin.jpg
Kinda makes the Banished version superior in utility.
feral perch
ah, it's YapYap's rebellion though
and they got them from.. none of your business, that's where
obsidian thistle
Well we dont know where Atriox got all his stuff. To be fair it doesnt even matter lol. But its safe to say Yapyap got his equipment from the Banished and Salvage from Truths Fleet
low idol
think we will ever see a spartan who's body has been severely damaged, have their brain/mind put into a suit of armor? kind of like robocop or the dreadnoughts from wh40k. We've already seen Kat with a fully mechanical arm. I know its not really a original idea, but could work pretty well with halo.
obsidian thistle
Well. Yes and no.
We kinda have severely damaged from augs spartans being brought back to the fight. (Halo Wars Red Team comes to mind)
low idol
i see, im not really well versed in the lore. starting to look into it though.
obsidian thistle
Thats great. Need a list of all lore to use as a checklist?
limpid kernel
If we get robot Spartans like that we can call them cyborgs
carmine sleet
Technically, Spartans are already cyborgs thanks to neural implants and stuff like that
low idol
Yeah i'll take a list, if you got one pre-made, dont go through too much effort
obsidian thistle
Needs a small update to account for some new stuff
But its generally that stuff isnt out till next year lol
low idol
cool cool, wow that is a lot of material to cover.
obsidian thistle
Plenty legal free media also. Marketing and ancilliary stuff wont set ye back a dime (outside internet costs lol)
low idol
i was thinking of listening to some of the books on audible.
obsidian thistle
Ah fun :D May I recommend the og trilogy of books first then.
low idol
yeah, that would be reach - first strike?
last anchor
Yeah. Fall of Reach, The Flood, First Strike.
Though some consider The Flood to be a side-novel of the trilogy as it wasnt written by Nylund
brave rover
That's where "he's in a cave in planet reach" theory came from
And it's exactly what inspired me to make this copypasta
humble yacht
Sounds fake
last anchor
I've read them all. The only book that Nylund wrote that had mention of Reach were made literally 8 years before Noble Six came into existance
In fact, Six exists DESPITE Nylunds work since he EXPLICETLY stated Beta Company was exterminated bar two people.
And then for some reason Bungie said "yeah uh, they didn't all die"
humble yacht
yeah I was about to say
last anchor
Still mad about that. Thanks Bungie
humble yacht
Nylund stopped writing halo stuff way before Noble Team existed as a concept
last anchor
A pity really, considering he's still the best of them all.
His stuff...maybe its cause all later Halo work was built on it, but he just KNEW how to write Halo GOOD
Denning's catching up though
versed helm
Yeah, they reckon Nylund is hiding in the cave with Six, Kat and George
Writing their memoirs, so to speak
humble yacht
Called it
brave rover
So they might be alive?
severe elbow
Nylund was involved in writing Halsey's Journal.
brave rover
I'd kill for Infinite being a 4 player co-op with the 1st player being the Chief, 2nd is Locke, 3rd is Thel'Vadame/or whatever his name is sorry if i did a spelling error, and 4th being THE RETURN OF NOBLE SIX.... or some generic marine
versed helm
Some even theorize that George isn't even in the cave
He's become a Sangheili converted Shipmaster
And actually commands the ruins of the CAS-class that was supposedly destroyed
last anchor
Nah man, he either went to Emerald Cove or got teleported to another unvierse.
Where he's ripping/tearing Doomguy style through the unfortunate less-awesome people of said universe
humble yacht
🤦
versed helm
Nah, Kat walked outta the hospital fine. Just a scratch.
I love it @last anchor
I mean there's even the theory that Emile survived too
And that he's become Locke in disguise
To get closer to the Chief, to obviously notify him about the fact that half of Noble is still alive in said cave
feral perch
@last anchor Tobias Buckell is really good too; reading Envoy was like playing one of the games almost
last anchor
Envoy was good but the stuff between the two Sangheili was kind of...weird to me. A little strained almost.
Also Im not really a fan of the "super powerful thing just rolls over the humans like a train" feeling the Sharqoui gave. I know thats what they were supposed to do but...it doesnt really interes me.
Not to say Im a humanity hell yeah kind of person whos all for the stompage and nothing else, but...
It felt a little weird.
Was great to see Grey in action again tho
feral perch
I know what you mean about the Sharqoui, they seemed to come out of nowhere and be ridiculously overpowered, but I've learned recently they had origins in Bungie's original series Marathon
and were planned for Halo 2 but cut
last anchor
And they were mentioned in Conversations from Halo 3s collector edition I believe as well.
They, like the Blind Wolf, are cut content reborn
feral perch
Mm.
What do you think is weird about the Shipmaster and his.. it was his cousin, right?
severe elbow
Halo 2's collector's edition, actually.
last anchor
The "honor" thing and the fact that they seem to lay tactical and logical thinking to the side for it.
I mean, some of its understandable, but a lot of it felt as if their heads were shoved in the sand
It didnt feel believeable in some places
feral perch
I guess? I always thought of the Sangheili as being pretty stubborn, especially with Eric Nylund's characterizations of them. But there have been Zuka 'Zamamees and 'Ripa Moramees, too.
last anchor
And the one from Escalation. To be completely fair I never really liked that character trait in Nylunds stuff either
Admittedly the main Sangheili that he wrote was the one that Kurt blew up
feral perch
Lol, and the illustrious Xytan Jar 'Watinree
last anchor
I think that was him, yeah.
feral perch
He was the grand.. something, he got blown up by Admiral Danforth's bomb.
last anchor
Oh right, the one who died and left the guy who got Kurt'd in charge of the op on Onxy
feral perch
yep
solar niche
Any lore boys lurkin in here wanna answer some questions about the Covenant for me?
severe elbow
Like what?
solar niche
Elites appear to be a clan based society, how do Elite clans factor into the Covenant hierarchy. ie. Does being from a prestigious clan equal high rank within the Covenant
severe elbow
I think it helps.
But the Elites value performance over all else.
So it's a meritocracy.
Since the Elites mostly run the Covenant military, their traditions carry over.
But I think being from a prestigious clan still helps. The San'Shyuum Scribe in the Halo 2: Anniversary Terminals makes specific mention of the Arbiter being from a prestigious clan.
solar niche
Cool cool thanks
last anchor
Ranking within the Sangheili combat ranks was also based upon combat victorys as well. The more kills you gained the higher your rank rose. More or less
obsidian thistle
The Spartan Field Manual can now be discussed here. :)
low idol
pin this maybe 🔼
obsidian thistle
Nah. Didnt need to with Silent Storm. Dont need to here.
versed helm
Another mystery of the Halo universe that i would love to have some transparency on would be...why was the rest of Path Kethona lifeless except for that planet with the ancient Forerunners
limpid meadow
Unknown at this time
last anchor
The frozen prison with the giant freaking hole in the wall? Yeah
I really like the new version of it. What the heck was in it
versed helm
Yeah..who or what could've been imprisoned within that facility,i doubt it was the Flood
limpid meadow
I'd love to know
versed helm
If it was the Flood,we would've seen signs of Flood biomass
limpid meadow
I remember people speculating that it was Flood or Precursors, lol
last anchor
TBH I thought it was the Primordial myself
limpid meadow
I remember seeing that
I don't recall what I thought at the time, but I think these days it might have been a race that didn't fall in line with the Forerunners, perhaps
last anchor
Perhaps a Sharquoi? Hole seems big enough
limpid meadow
Ooh, good thought!
Works well with the description, better than my guess
"The security spire’s damaged interior only hints at the terrifying power of its previous inhabitant"
Inhabitant, singular
last anchor
Its a big cage, big enough for eight Spartans to run around easily and overlap the levels.
TBH the interior of it, with the catwalks and the various gaps, always made me think of some kind of zoo enclosure.
The gaps mean the animal inside has to use its brain to move and stay active and not become depressed.
If you think of it as Sharquoi size...
limpid meadow
It certainly works
versed helm
Yep
limpid meadow
Could always be a species we haven't seen yet, too, but as for known species, Sharquoi is a good fit
last anchor
I dont think we will ever really know and I think thats what Bungie went for with it.
versed helm
True
carmine sleet
I think allot of people forget that 343i did work on the DLC for Reach
limpid meadow
Well, they commissioned it more accurately, but yeah
Certain Affinity actually made the maps.
But 343 was behind the majority of Reach DLC, funny enough
carmine sleet
Ah, my bad
versed helm
lest we forget that Digital Extremes did some of the multiplayer maps in halo 4's DLC
limpid meadow
343 basically worked as project managers for the maps
versed helm
those warframe bois
limpid meadow
Did they? I had heard it was all Certain Affinity
last anchor
Is that why the last couple were actually lore related?
limpid meadow
Yep
last anchor
Mannn can we get more like that please
limpid meadow
343 wanted to push those book connections for the Defiant Map Pack
And for the CEA one, they put in some fun lore and what-not
I still love that we got to play on the Spartan-II training grounds.
versed helm
it's the little things in life
limpid meadow
It really is
last anchor
Highlands is still my favorite Reach map
limpid meadow
Even the Firefight map, set on the BXR mine, has book/lore relevance
last anchor
They confirmed the Pelican we see on it is the one Red Team bailed otu of too
limpid meadow
It's not THE titanium mine, but the fact it's a titanium mine is a clear reference to another Spartan-II training location
That they did, Orca
versed helm
i wouldnt mind a TPS Halo spinoff about the spartans training
they could commission remedy to do it
just like quantum break
limpid meadow
I'd buy it
limpid kernel
Bxr confirmed canon
last anchor
Yeah man, they were canon in Reach's campaign. You fight through one of their facilities in tip of the spear.
Heh, that well-placed explosive barrel on the ledge
limpid kernel
Using environment against the aliens
last anchor
I still kinda wish fully body melee attacks were a thing. Just start chucking Covenant over the cliff
limpid meadow
lol
last anchor
But yeah, Unearthed was a sweet map.
And of course the one on Station Gamma rocked.
That zero-g "fight room" in the middle where everyone went
limpid kernel
Unearthed hot
limpid meadow
Only thing I didn't care for it Reach being literally molten
last anchor
Yeah, that skybox was weird
I spent literally an hour trying to find where menachite was
limpid meadow
Ever find it?
last anchor
No. I couldn't see a section that didnt looked glass
last anchor
Im still trying to find out if the mountain we see behind Six's helmet in the end was Menachite.
Yeah, they left a pretty good section of it intact, where Menachite was
last anchor
To be fair, it shows a Paris duking it out with a Covenant Corvette and by the time Reach was glassed I dont think there were any active UNSC ships up there
Bar Gettysburg but that was slapped atop Ascendant Justice so
limpid meadow
Yeah
Though with the whole War Games Simulator, 343 could just write it off as an exaggerated simulation
last anchor
This is true. That...seems like something they would do too.
UNSC makes something based on Reach; minor "propoganda" edits by ONI
I mean, look at Harvest from 4. Dont tell me that wasnt tweaked a LITTLE bit.
Another great map related to the lore too IMO
last anchor
Dear 343; for Halo Infinite, give us more lore maps. Plx
limpid kernel
We all run the simulations, they're tough but they ain't invincible
limpid meadow
More lore = a happy me
last anchor
Actually can we like, do a list that we can give to 343 to give them ideas for maps we want?
They seem to listen to the community about stuff like that for the most part.
Ahem;
Pegasi FREAKING Delta
Onyx. Anywhere on Onyx.
Interior of Epsilon Secundus
carmine sleet
I'd like a map that's on the inside of the portal at Voi, like in the inner workings of the installation
unique rune
stop asking for lore in the multiplayer that's why 343 won't bring back playable elites
/s
carmine sleet
Pretty sure that writing a paragraph of info about a map has nothing to do with why Elites aren't in the multiplayer
unique rune
"but War Games simulations mean that playable Elites can't come back, therefore canon multiplayer = bad"
- some uninformed soul on Waypoint, probably
carmine sleet
The reason why we haven't had playable Elites isn't because of the lore at all, it's due to balancing and resource management
At least from what I've heard
But there is lore that tells us Elites take part in wargames simulations
unique rune
That sounds accurate to me.
Too bad most people don't understand that and just whine endlessly and "343 bad, Bungo good".
Yeah, there's the Anvil Initiative from Halo Online.
And I'm pretty sure that bit is still canon...
carmine sleet
I believe it is, shame the rest of Halo Online isn't
obsidian thistle
It was 100% cemented in the Spartan Field Manual so :D
Halo Online however
Erm call my 2 extra months sorting armor on Halopedia almost wasted cause the armor was made not canon
carmine sleet
Aye, that must've sucked to have put that much work into it
last anchor
Maybe it'll come back again, maybe not. I dont think they threw it all away
limpid kernel
When did Chief develop his stand
limpid meadow
Masta Chiifu
Stando-da: Rukkii Star!
humble yacht
😐
limpid meadow
The weebs have invaded
humble yacht
Nani desu ka
limpid kernel
Chief: yare yare daze
humble yacht
what is a stand?
limpid meadow
It's from Jojo's Bizzare Adventure
humble yacht
Goblin Slayer where the goblins are Grunt Goblin mechs
last anchor
Mounting up.
humble yacht
Goblin Slayer don't need fancy gear like that
last anchor
MECH FIGHT
humble yacht
Goblin Slayer take out a Grunt Goblin with 2 sticks and a rock.
last anchor
Not so much actual Grunts tho probalby
limpid meadow
Well of course
limpid kernel
Grunt goblin mechs are grunt stands
humble yacht
A Grunt in a Goblin is still a Grunt. And the best weapon against a Grunt isn't a weapon at all; it's fear.
last anchor
They are rather cowardly
humble yacht
Dwight Schrute knew what I'm talking about
left depot
Boo. I've done what I came here to do
feral perch
@humble yacht Aha, I see your reference
humble yacht
👍
obsidian thistle
Its still the Infusions that bring Unggoy down. Without them they are in theory very fearsome.
feral perch
I wonder if Unggoy arms taste like crab legs
fair hazel
Speaking of unggoy
The needler on the normal goblin looks bigger than the one on the banishes one
So you said about
More utility but
I’d say less powerful needler
One thing that annoys me too is when people “blame” 343 for “changing the humans to not be forerunners anymore”
last anchor
We never got confirmation that they were, just that single line from Spark which could mean literally anything
obsidian thistle
Bungie in IRIS did comfirm they were different
That was pre-Halo 3.
Still kinda sad that ARG aint on the net properly no longer. Its stuff that completes the Halo 3 Terminals. Without it context is lost
carmine sleet
I'm glad humanity aren't actually Forerunners, would've been such an overused cliche
last anchor
Hearing that we fought them and held our own is beastly.
I mean, its kinda cliche that we were supposed to inherit the Mantle but at the same time...(glances at Forerunners) MAAYYYBBEEE thats tfor the best
carmine sleet
I'd rather it be that than "Humanity was the mysterious ancient race that went missing all along"
obsidian thistle
Funny thing
We never actually got tested. We could have failed still if we were.
carmine sleet
Very true
last anchor
You make a good point.
Also I realized this is probably the best place to ask this but does anyone here know if the fact that UNSC weapons tend to be gas operated means they can be utilized in space?
I thought that required specialized ammo
obsidian thistle
Well Halo 4 shows that human weapons can work in a vacuum
*First Level being essentially in one near the end.
limpid meadow
Halo 2 did as well
last anchor
So does earlier stuff, Im just wondering if thats the reason.
Because if I remember right gas operation is basically just how it gets the bullet in...
obsidian thistle
That also
last anchor
Fall of Reach did too
limpid meadow
And honestly, modern weapons work in a vacuum, I'm fairly certain
obsidian thistle
Just depends on the weapon really
last anchor
Aight. Im just curious cause I found a Halo fan-made RPG and some of the stuff in it is...odd.
obsidian thistle
Halo Mythic?
last anchor
I dont think its been updated since Halo 3...they call the SPNKr the M19
Yeah thats the one I think
No, Halo: The Covenant War
I think Mythic is the newer successor
obsidian thistle
Mythic is great
last anchor
It sounds like something I wanna try running a game in.
obsidian thistle
Funny thing. 343i fixed the Halo Wars Limited Edition leader cards for the steam version of the game. One fix being the M19 name to the M41 one.
last anchor
Well what do you know.
I mean technically the M41 fires the M19 so...
obsidian thistle
It is technically a M19 launcher ha
last anchor
Indeed.
I wonder if we'll see a return to the multi-tube system at some point. I had a dream of a triple-barreled SPNKr once, followed closely by this horrific shoulder-mounted belt fed monstrosity
fair hazel
The pilum vs spnkr
Pilum seems way more ergonomic and easier to reload.
Does use smaller rockets though.
last anchor
IMO they could have them both be useful, just make the Pilum into a dedicated anti-air weapon
The SPNKr uses those gigantic 102mm shaped charges to punch through Covenant armor with ease and the Pilum uses its fancy smart missiles to knock down enemy aircraft
In-game it could be a faster lock-on against aircraft and have an airburst fragmentation warhead
stable drum
Is omega team technically a part of red team?
obsidian thistle
No