#lore-and-universe | Halo | Page 140

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 4:45 AM

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https://www.halopedia.org/images/4/46/Ih_mjolnir_1.jpg

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This will always be what my mind thinks of whenever I read about the Spudbois

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Nice overall shape, without being too top heavy like Mark IV

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Which is not to knock on Mark IV. It just kinda looks... TOO heroic

last anchor Oct 22, 2018, 4:48 AM

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Too heroic, not tactical enough?

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Im with you on that. When I think MJLONIR I think more like Space Marine power armor. Plates of thick metal with a powerful undersuit coating a machine of war

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Thats why I loved Reach's armor; you could stick ammo on there and look even more tactical

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 4:49 AM

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I guess its just weird that its the predecessor, with the suits becoming steadily less striking and inspiring by the iteration

last anchor Oct 22, 2018, 4:49 AM

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To be fair we didnt really know what MK IV looked like till Halo Wars

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Because it was only ever in the books

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 4:50 AM

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Well, Fall of Reach states that Chief's Mark V looked just like his old suit. Just with shields.

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So assumingly, in that brief time period of when the only Halo media was Fall of Reach and the game

last anchor Oct 22, 2018, 4:51 AM

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Fair.

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 4:51 AM

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Chief always looked like his CE appearance. He just didnt get shields until late 2552

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Cole Protocol sorta does that too, with Jai on the cover looking like a Reach Spartan

last anchor Oct 22, 2018, 4:52 AM

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Thats Grey Teams armor though

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I dont think thats Jai anyway, Im pretty sure thats Adriana

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 4:53 AM

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I mean, we see Jai fight the arbiter in the terminals in H2A

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And I think he's got Reach armor. Just with the GEN2 techsuit for some reason

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Actually no. For some reason, it looks like GEN2 Recruit

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But yeah-- I like tacticool as well

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Mostly because the armor alone makes the design seem too... sterile

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That was really the magic of Reach's customization. You would always have the same baseline suit as everyone else-- but you got to make a ton of small touches to it

last anchor Oct 22, 2018, 5:02 AM

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Maybe Infinite will give us that again but with an even higher level of it. I would love the ability to have 4 level customization, plates and all, but you can choose what you put on the plates.

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 5:03 AM

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Ya know, its funny how theres not a proper ODST armor "port" for the GEN2 games

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The ones in Halo 4 and 5 have some big design changes to them

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Yet the Spartan-IVs would probably be the only ones attached to ODST armor

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Like, why would a Spartan-II or III choose the ODST helmet like you can in 3 and Reach

last anchor Oct 22, 2018, 5:06 AM

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Good question

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 5:10 AM

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Speaking of customization-- I feel like only keeping the tech suit the one consistent element across variants is a bit of a mistake

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If only because then you end up with Spartan-IVs that dont really look like they have any uniformity among them

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And like I said-- I think having the same suit, just with a ton of personal touches, says a lot more about the character

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Kinda like Alpha-Nine. They're all wearing the same ODST armor, just with different gear attached.

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And different colored stripes

last anchor Oct 22, 2018, 5:15 AM

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Ive always liked that

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 5:15 AM

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Visors being able to depolarize was another great concept in ODST

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Allowing characters' facial expressions to be visible without having them ditch their helmet in an active war zone

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And it just looks cool when a character turns away, and their visor becomes opaque again

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Granted, you really cant do that for ALL helmets

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Especially ones with small visors

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ODST worked since the T-shaped visor meant you got to see their entire face

modest marsh Oct 22, 2018, 5:27 AM

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MJOLNIR is supposedly capable of that

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yet

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there hasn't been any visual representation

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i would actually appreciate that a lot if there were cutscenes or even in game moments where Spartans have their visors depolarized

last anchor Oct 22, 2018, 6:02 AM

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You and me both.
I wonder if the UNSC has impact grenades...

severe bone Oct 22, 2018, 7:09 AM

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I do like the depolarizing helmets

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Neat lil futuristic touch without going over the top

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Thats the nice lil balance that Halo always manages to find with their artistic liberties

modest marsh Oct 22, 2018, 1:59 PM

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I wonder if the UNSC has impact grenades...
You’d think the electronic fuse on the standard M9 could be programmed to detonate on impact

severe elbow Oct 22, 2018, 2:00 PM

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They do have impact grenades, don't they? Isn't that what Hellbringers' grenade launchers do? And the ones the Spartan-IIs use in Retribution and Silent Storm?

low idol Oct 22, 2018, 3:37 PM

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would be interesting to see in game, if you had the option before throwing them

sage cairn Oct 22, 2018, 4:36 PM

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yall seen the new hidden xperia video?

shut moat Oct 22, 2018, 4:58 PM

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Can u link

low idol Oct 22, 2018, 5:08 PM

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newest video is - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT3KWfiM0-I

sage cairn Oct 22, 2018, 5:15 PM

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Sounds like a good explanation why chief has his I C O N I C armor

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What do you guys think

humble yacht Oct 22, 2018, 5:35 PM

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Nah

modest marsh Oct 22, 2018, 5:35 PM

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@severe elbow impact grenades are something else

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Like a splinter grenade

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You throw it and it explodes on impact as opposed to a timed fuse

rotund pewter Oct 22, 2018, 5:40 PM

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One message removed from a suspended account.

severe elbow Oct 22, 2018, 5:41 PM

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Is that not what Hellbringer grenades do?

low idol Oct 22, 2018, 5:46 PM

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i kinda want to see what else is in that field manual. i think the armor change is just mostly, listening to feedback of people wanting to go back to a older style.

modest marsh Oct 22, 2018, 5:50 PM

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A grenade launched projectile works differently

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It has an arming phase that disallows the grenade to detonate unless it has been shot a certain distance

severe elbow Oct 22, 2018, 5:51 PM

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Hm.

modest marsh Oct 22, 2018, 5:51 PM

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Impact grenades are at the discretion of the operator and can be used in situations where a projectile is less useful than a thrown device

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The GL in Reach and 5 for example won’t detonate unless it has bounced or it’s been in the air long enough

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Even the regular grenades have a delay associated with travel time

feral perch Oct 22, 2018, 5:53 PM

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I think it's more about how long it has been since hitting a surface

modest marsh Oct 22, 2018, 5:54 PM

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I don’t think frags need to hit anything before detonating

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If it’s airborne long enough

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I might be wrong though

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Plasmas definitely don’t go off unless they stick to something

carmine sleet Oct 22, 2018, 5:55 PM

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I believe that's correct about frags, just they function differently in Halo because of gameplay reasons

modest marsh Oct 22, 2018, 5:55 PM

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Whether it be a level surface or an enemy/vehicle

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I’m referring to gameplay

carmine sleet Oct 22, 2018, 5:56 PM

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Oh, I see

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Well, I'm pretty sure that they don't function like how frags in real life function

left depot Oct 22, 2018, 5:58 PM

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Halo frags have a fuse that starts on impact

limpid kernel Oct 22, 2018, 7:11 PM

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Does the crosshair really turn red when spartans aim at enemies

fair hazel Oct 22, 2018, 7:12 PM

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Spartan field discussion goes on spoilers

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Halo frags they hit something then they detonate after timer

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Yeah.

limpid kernel Oct 22, 2018, 7:14 PM

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I'm wondering how the crosshair detects what's good and bad and when something's alive or not

obsidian thistle Oct 22, 2018, 7:58 PM

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Well Cortana probably helped in CE.

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Biometric stuff may help also

glacial sandal Oct 22, 2018, 7:59 PM

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IFF and the presence of a firearm on an unidentified person might help. Maybe it gets data from the neual interface as well

obsidian thistle Oct 22, 2018, 8:01 PM

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And maybe the hud is able to set targets based on species and existing information.

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Maybe the hud pending the visr can even tell a persons threat level based on indicators.

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*Halo 4 and 5 are great with VISR lore

dusty pilot Oct 22, 2018, 8:03 PM

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Gameplay Mechanics is the only reason.

obsidian thistle Oct 22, 2018, 8:04 PM

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That is mostly the case.

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 8:32 PM

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I also imagine that the reticule more or less moves with the gun to give a more accurate estimation of where the shots will land. Rather than remaining purely in the center of the screen

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Something a little less extreme than what we saw in Contact Harvest, where Johnson's HUD was able to outright predict the path of the bullet as it travelled over a kilometer or so

low idol Oct 22, 2018, 9:36 PM

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could be a sensor on people's armor. like today we use ir markers at night, to tell friendly from foe.

carmine sleet Oct 22, 2018, 9:37 PM

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IFF tags do exist in Halo, like in Halo 4 on the mission Infinity where you have to find them to try and locate Lasky

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Obviously that doesn't quite explain why it doesn't change colour when you aim at a civilian in Reach for example since you would think that anything that isn't carrying an IFF would likely be highlighted as such

glacial sandal Oct 22, 2018, 9:38 PM

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A civilian ain't going to be carrying firearms

carmine sleet Oct 22, 2018, 9:39 PM

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I know

glacial sandal Oct 22, 2018, 9:39 PM

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The neural-interface has some play though, like why those Innies/smugglers you fight alongside in Reach are green instead of red

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A standard database you'd think would identify them as red

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Since it can't take into account context

carmine sleet Oct 22, 2018, 9:40 PM

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They were local militia if I recall correctly so while they weren't proper military, it wouldn't surprise me if they had IFFs

glacial sandal Oct 22, 2018, 9:41 PM

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I don't think they were, actually

snow rain Oct 22, 2018, 9:41 PM

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My guess is maybe there can be a manual override type of thing.

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Vergil was marked as friendly

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The other engineers weren't

glacial sandal Oct 22, 2018, 9:41 PM

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Yeah, through the neural lace

carmine sleet Oct 22, 2018, 9:43 PM

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Quote from the mission Nightfall
Jun-A266: "Noble Two, we're at some sort of pump station. Got eyes on civilians, I'm thinking more local militia. They've engaged hostiles."

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I'd say that confirms they're militia

limpid kernel Oct 22, 2018, 9:45 PM

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So do marines not have colored crosshairs? Since they shoot at dead bodies

carmine sleet Oct 22, 2018, 9:46 PM

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I'd guess they have a similar crosshair to what Spartans have, changing colour depending on who they're aiming at

glacial sandal Oct 22, 2018, 9:49 PM

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So they were

limpid kernel Oct 22, 2018, 9:50 PM

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I don't get why they'd shoot corpses though, they're wasting valuable infinite ammo

carmine sleet Oct 22, 2018, 9:50 PM

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It's just something programmed into the game's AI Hedgy

limpid kernel Oct 22, 2018, 9:53 PM

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But these small things bother me I can't help it

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 9:56 PM

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I dunno why the dudes you come across on Nightfall are referred to as "Colonial Militia"

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Its like 3 dudes who stole UNSC assets.

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If anything, I find it more likely that they're Insurrectionists, or something along those lines

carmine sleet Oct 22, 2018, 9:57 PM

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Militia could still steal weapons from a military, doesn't matter if it's against the law

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 9:57 PM

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When/if they all die, Jun also refers to them as just civilians

carmine sleet Oct 22, 2018, 9:58 PM

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Militias are normally comprised of civilian volunteers

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 9:58 PM

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He also calls them "local militia". Which can really just mean "dudes who have guns and are fighting back"

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Because Colonial Militia would imply some sort of government recognition

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Like the dudes in Contact Harvest

carmine sleet Oct 22, 2018, 9:59 PM

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That's pretty much what the people are in Halo Reach, like I said, they're civilian volunteers, they aren't actual military

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 9:59 PM

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Sure, but Im saying that Halopedia lists them as COLONIAL Militia

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Which is misleading

carmine sleet Oct 22, 2018, 9:59 PM

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Which is what they are though

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 9:59 PM

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Its not

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Colonial Militia are the dudes seen in Contact Harvest. Local volunteers trained by UNSC personnel and recognized by their colony's government

carmine sleet Oct 22, 2018, 10:01 PM

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Colonial Militias aren't exclusive to Harvest, they can exist on multiple planets

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 10:01 PM

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Thats not what I was saying

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Look at the other sentence

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Local volunteers trained by UNSC personnel and recognized by their colony's government

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Theres no indication that the people you come across in Nightfall are that.

glacial sandal Oct 22, 2018, 10:03 PM

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Yeah, notice how only Jun called them Militia

obsidian thistle Oct 22, 2018, 10:03 PM

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Oh that.

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 10:03 PM

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If anything, they're just criminals. Possibly gun runners, just trying to protect their home.

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And thats probably the POINT

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That Jun and Six are overlooking their past crimes because its time for humanity to stand united, or whatever

obsidian thistle Oct 22, 2018, 10:04 PM

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Um yea... if unsure use what we have. And slap the "assumed" label with it.

severe elbow Oct 22, 2018, 10:04 PM

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Well, he says "local" militia. Could mean Reach, could just mean that town. The latter meaning it was unofficial or impromptu, could be a criminal organization that doubles as protection for the area.

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 10:04 PM

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Like I said, referring to them as "Colonial Militia" implies some recognition by their government

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And I really dont think thats the case

obsidian thistle Oct 22, 2018, 10:06 PM

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Well they be hints that they be kinda rebels but not. But its hard to say anything concrete about said force

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 10:07 PM

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I mean, we know that theres apparently some sort of Insurrection element present on Reach

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Its what the UNSC first assumed hit the relay in Winter Contingency

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While I dont think these guys were the same peeps putting bombs on luxury space ships

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I wouldnt be surprised if they sell their "contraband" to the people that do

severe elbow Oct 22, 2018, 10:08 PM

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There's an Insurrection element on pretty much every planet.

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 10:08 PM

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and like I said, I think thats the point of that segment. That these two factions are putting aside their differences to work together against the alien threat

obsidian thistle Oct 22, 2018, 10:09 PM

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But yea right now by all means we go with the "assumed" thing till given more info sadly.

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 10:10 PM

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I mean, thats a pretty big assumption with little to no backing

obsidian thistle Oct 22, 2018, 10:10 PM

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Well its an assumption the game makes not Halopedia itself.

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 10:10 PM

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I mean, its really not

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militia just means civilians with guns fighting back

obsidian thistle Oct 22, 2018, 10:10 PM

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Halopedia just follows it. Which I will fix up to be clearer when I get to it.

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 10:11 PM

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Like, the term "local militia" is not interchangeable with "Colonial Militia"

obsidian thistle Oct 22, 2018, 10:11 PM

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*So much work on the wiki yet so lil time wah.

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 10:11 PM

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Notice the capital letters

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Because one is an organization

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And another is just a bunch of dudes with guns

carmine sleet Oct 22, 2018, 10:12 PM

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A local militia can still be an organisation

glacial sandal Oct 22, 2018, 10:12 PM

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It can also be a descriptor for the CM too

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 10:12 PM

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They're not recognized by the government

glacial sandal Oct 22, 2018, 10:12 PM

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Or the branch in that area

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We don't know that

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 10:12 PM

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The Colonial Militia we see on Harvest had UNSC support

sturdy arch Oct 22, 2018, 10:12 PM

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We do know that

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 10:12 PM

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Thats the entire reason Johnson was there

sturdy arch Oct 22, 2018, 10:13 PM

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why would the UNSC recognize a innie group

glacial sandal Oct 22, 2018, 10:13 PM

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Because they didn't know what was going on?

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 10:13 PM

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I mean, they admit to smuggling

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They're just dudes, possibly affiliated with rebels

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Heres the thing, when you have to go through all these mental gymnastics to make the "assumption" work

glacial sandal Oct 22, 2018, 10:14 PM

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To two exoskeleton-clad supersoldiers who could kill them if they suspected of being betrayed

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 10:15 PM

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Then maybe its a conclusion that was not reached properly

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Occam's Razor my guy

glacial sandal Oct 22, 2018, 10:16 PM

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Not really, because we don't know who these people are. They're AI that follow you with barely any information besides they're Militia and they smuggle weapons. It can very easily go either way

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 10:16 PM

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Once again, the dudes say right to their face that they've BEEN stealing from the UNSC, know the area because they smuggle contraband through it, and that they are going against the UNSC's evacuation orders for that area

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Sure, buts what the simpler answer?

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That they're just lawbreakers trying to take back their home, like they say they are

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Or that they're totally a UNSC recognized organization because "why not?"

carmine sleet Oct 22, 2018, 10:18 PM

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Or they could be a UNSC recognised organisation that has done some questionable things and are trying to take back their home

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 10:18 PM

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Once again

sturdy arch Oct 22, 2018, 10:18 PM

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no

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 10:18 PM

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Occam's Razor

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Stop making up stuff that isnt there

glacial sandal Oct 22, 2018, 10:18 PM

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They can still be UNSC-affiliated servicepeople who just do illicit stuff on the side. You're making it seem like the the UNSC didn't have an innie sympathiser problem

sturdy arch Oct 22, 2018, 10:18 PM

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Ay ay ay

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this is going in a circle

severe elbow Oct 22, 2018, 10:19 PM

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A Halo, if you will.

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 10:19 PM

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This is sounding a whole lot like Russel's Teapot here

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The burden of proof lies with the ones making that statement

sturdy arch Oct 22, 2018, 10:19 PM

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Ok, sure lets pretend they are UNSC-affiliated servicepeople for a minute

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 10:19 PM

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And as far as I can see-- there is no proof.

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Of the "militia" you encounter in Reach being COLONIAL Militia

sturdy arch Oct 22, 2018, 10:20 PM

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Still is illogical with the context of what is going on in the Viery territory

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Who is going to defect during an Alien invasion, at the heart of said invasion

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 10:21 PM

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Just because the dudes dont turn to the camera, and explicitly deny that they are Colonial Militia doesnt mean that the claim has any ground

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By that logic, I could say that every able-bodied male you encounter in Exodus is ALSO a member of this militia, but too much of a coward to fight back

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After all, the game doesnt explicitly state otherwise!

glacial sandal Oct 22, 2018, 10:22 PM

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No, because unlike the Nightfall people they weren't wearing combat armour and weapons. It's a ridiculous comparison

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 10:23 PM

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And the people in the "militia" are just in clothes and using stolen UNSC weapons

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And constantly mention how they're criminals

carmine sleet Oct 22, 2018, 10:23 PM

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They mention stealing weapons once or twice at most

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That's not constantly

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 10:24 PM

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And thats a pretty large amount of their total dialogue

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Its also the main thing we know about them

sturdy arch Oct 22, 2018, 10:24 PM

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They say they have hidden caches all over the valley, thats a substantial amount of equipment

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 10:25 PM

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But please, lets keep the mental gymnastics going. I like to believe the guy with the boonie hat is named Raphael, and has three cats at home.

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Excuse me as I make this a page on halopedia

obsidian thistle Oct 22, 2018, 10:25 PM

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I think thats was Bungies way of explaining random equipment locations round reach. Without caring about who they actually were.

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 10:25 PM

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Or, like I said

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The idea of humanity presenting a united front against the alien invasion

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Heres the thing, the caches being across the entire territory, which is similar in size to the continental United States if I recall correct

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Implies a pretty large smuggling network

obsidian thistle Oct 22, 2018, 10:27 PM

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Like tbh all the game does is not give a clear answer on them. Hints yes. But never a clear cut one.

glacial sandal Oct 22, 2018, 10:27 PM

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Or, it meant that specific valley

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 10:27 PM

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And Halopedia doesnt to go for the conclusion that has no backing at all

sturdy arch Oct 22, 2018, 10:27 PM

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It doesnt hint them being colonial militia though

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 10:27 PM

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"We have 'em hidden all over the territory."

sturdy arch Oct 22, 2018, 10:27 PM

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being the UNSC organized CM

obsidian thistle Oct 22, 2018, 10:28 PM

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Btw what page we talking here @orchid kettle

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 10:28 PM

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https://www.halopedia.org/Colonial_Militia]

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As well as the "Reach Militia" page, which states that they are a branch of the CM

obsidian thistle Oct 22, 2018, 10:28 PM

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Ah okie I'll see what I can do.

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Its 100% on my radar now though

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*And the other HP admins are now aware of it.

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Once I finished researching tank ammo. I will get onto this

fair hazel Oct 22, 2018, 10:30 PM

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halopedia says verification needed]

last anchor Oct 22, 2018, 10:32 PM

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I wonder how much data there actually is...

obsidian thistle Oct 22, 2018, 10:34 PM

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Not a lot to be frank

main frost Oct 22, 2018, 10:35 PM

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HI, Frank

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 10:48 PM

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Another point of contention I’ve had with Halopedia is in regards to the Marine armor

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Like, am I alone in believing that both Reach and Halo Wars Marine designs were reinterpretations of CE?

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Rather than being entirely separate entities

feral perch Oct 22, 2018, 11:13 PM

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That's probably correct.

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The CE Marines look pretty shabby, so a reinterpretation was nice for Wars and Reach's Pillar of Autumn marines

last anchor Oct 22, 2018, 11:14 PM

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I mean the suits are probably modular and cross-operational

modest marsh Oct 22, 2018, 11:20 PM

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I for one am against the notion that the Blur model is meant to be "Insurrectionist era"

fair hazel Oct 22, 2018, 11:37 PM

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They are different entities ...

modest marsh Oct 22, 2018, 11:40 PM

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What are?

fair hazel Oct 23, 2018, 12:04 AM

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Reach Armour and halo wars Armour

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2018, 12:08 AM

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Yea both are different

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Funny thing Halo 2 Classic armor is still canon also via Crates. Which is amazingly hilarious

modest marsh Oct 23, 2018, 12:22 AM

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They can be different armors without rooting down an era in which they belong

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:22 AM

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I mean, its pretty obvious that the H2A Marines use the Halo Wars model because they had a high quality model already on hand

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In the same vein as how the Reach Sniper Rifle shows up in both Anniversaries

modest marsh Oct 23, 2018, 12:23 AM

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but does that necessitate anything beyond that?

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2018, 12:23 AM

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Yea but that doesnt retcon out the old designs

modest marsh Oct 23, 2018, 12:23 AM

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because at that point it is just speculation

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:23 AM

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I personally dont put too much stock in the visuals of the Anniversaries. Particularly CEA

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2018, 12:24 AM

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Halo CEs og designs are still canon via the Johnson story in the first Halo Graphic Novel

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:24 AM

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CEA was just a hodge podge of existing assets

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Nevermind whether or not said assets lined up with the original animations

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Like how when you go to reload the AR in CEA, the magazine hovers in place

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2018, 12:25 AM

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Anniversary editions bar a couple exceptions is the canon version of stuff.

brave rover Oct 23, 2018, 12:25 AM

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remember the hugging elite

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it was such a joke ending

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:25 AM

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I mean, unless they pull a M45E and outright SAY that its real

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I otherwise dont bother with it

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2018, 12:25 AM

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There is 2 M6D pistols for example

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The CEA version

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:25 AM

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Theres 2 types of every pistols at this point

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2018, 12:25 AM

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And the Halo 5 version

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:26 AM

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M6C and the Automag

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M6H and M6H2

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M6G and whatever its called in Reach

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The Halo 5 version just comes across as fan service

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2018, 12:26 AM

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Still is canon xD

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:26 AM

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I highly doubt it

modest marsh Oct 23, 2018, 12:27 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/LfLh5lc.jpg deepest lore

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:27 AM

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Unless the Halo universe literally got more polygons after 2552

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And all the old stuff still looks like it came out of a 2001 original xbox game

brave rover Oct 23, 2018, 12:27 AM

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also

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wtf is the cole protocol?

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:27 AM

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The book, or the actual protocol?

brave rover Oct 23, 2018, 12:27 AM

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the protocol

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:28 AM

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If the latter, it just means you cant compromise information

brave rover Oct 23, 2018, 12:28 AM

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isn't it something about marines not taking covenant ships

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:28 AM

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In other words, you cant jump directly to a human colony

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You gotta make a random jump or two before travelling to your actual destination

brave rover Oct 23, 2018, 12:28 AM

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Cole Protocol forbids them from taking a Covenant vessel to Earth directly

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supposedly

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:28 AM

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Yeah. Because then the ship may be tracked

brave rover Oct 23, 2018, 12:28 AM

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True

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2018, 12:29 AM

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The Cole Protocol is essentially a set of instructions to stop the Covenant from finding Human planets as easy

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:29 AM

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In short, its just a bunch of precautions to ensure that Earth and other colonies and their location are not compromised

brave rover Oct 23, 2018, 12:29 AM

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Yeah

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Halopedia is actually useful then

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:29 AM

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Which of course turns out to be kinda pointless when the Covenant knew of Earth all along.

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2018, 12:29 AM

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https://www.halopedia.org/Cole_Protocol

Cole Protocol

Are you looking for Halo: The Cole Protocol, the sixth Halo novel?

Emergency Priority Order 098831A-1, also called General Order 098831A-1 and known commonly as the Cole Protocol, was a United Nations Space Command directive enacted by Admiral Preston Cole to prevent the Cov...

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That

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:29 AM

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They just didnt know it was humanity's home world I guess

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2018, 12:30 AM

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The Covenant didnt know about Earths location till 2552

brave rover Oct 23, 2018, 12:30 AM

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And Halo 2 happened

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:30 AM

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Ya know, I really wish Halo 2 and 3 didnt feel the need to follow the same formula

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Of Chief always coming across a Halo. Or what is essentially a Giga-Halo in Halo 3

brave rover Oct 23, 2018, 12:31 AM

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The little blurbs at the loading screens of missions were fun in halo 2 and 3

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2018, 12:31 AM

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It was blind luck Regret found it due to a Luminary.

And Truth well lets say blame the Seeker a Covie trojan horse AI

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:31 AM

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Theres only so many times the entire galaxy can be at stake before you're rolling your eyes

brave rover Oct 23, 2018, 12:31 AM

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the one for the "Halo" level in Halo 3 is my favorite

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"Light the ring. Destroy the Flood." basically the entire level in a nutshell

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:31 AM

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The Halo books really had that problem for a while

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Where everything revolved around some sort of Forerunner macguffin

brave rover Oct 23, 2018, 12:32 AM

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and the problem with the first edition of "The Fall Of Reach" that stated something weird

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:32 AM

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A new trend seems to be Normal Protag teams up with Spartan(s)

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2018, 12:32 AM

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Funny thing. You cant actually read a Halo book without Humans or Forerunners mentioned in some way

brave rover Oct 23, 2018, 12:32 AM

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true

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the first fall of reach edition was so bad

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i mean, the whole statement about the stimulant in MJOLNIR armor to keep them focused on battle

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was dumb

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2018, 12:33 AM

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Oh by now just read the definitive edition of the book

brave rover Oct 23, 2018, 12:33 AM

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Nah

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I'd rather play Halo Reach

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2018, 12:33 AM

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Well both are canon

brave rover Oct 23, 2018, 12:33 AM

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Yeah but then we got MORE books about the same topic

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:34 AM

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Last Light, Envoy, and Hunters in the Dark all felt very samey

brave rover Oct 23, 2018, 12:34 AM

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That messes up the continuity even more

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And also how come are there Flood in Halo Wars 2?

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Oh I forgot

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:34 AM

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You could argue tho that Cole Protocol really established that formula, of normal guy teaming up with a Spartan to do something about a Forerunner macguffin

brave rover Oct 23, 2018, 12:34 AM

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Cortana trapped them millions of light years away from Earth

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but on the Ark they found some

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Then they made that new Halo ring

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But guess what

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They don't know about the whole Cortana situation

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:35 AM

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Or at least some sort of macguffin. Not necessarily always Forerunner.

brave rover Oct 23, 2018, 12:35 AM

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And it gets intercepted BY A GUARDIAN

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2018, 12:35 AM

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Um

brave rover Oct 23, 2018, 12:35 AM

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The end

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2018, 12:35 AM

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We can see your messages

brave rover Oct 23, 2018, 12:36 AM

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Until Halo Infinite

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I wonder

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:36 AM

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The Flood has apparently always been causing trouble, even past Halo 3

brave rover Oct 23, 2018, 12:36 AM

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Can a Halo Ring destroy a Guardian if it's built to not destroy sentient life?

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:36 AM

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They just send Spartan-IV teams to take care of it

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2018, 12:36 AM

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The Halo Rings cant kill a Guardian

brave rover Oct 23, 2018, 12:36 AM

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Oh

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Just asking

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If it didn't kill sentient life

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:37 AM

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Which kinda annoys me, since it makes the Flood just look like a nuisance

brave rover Oct 23, 2018, 12:37 AM

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Then could it kill a Guardian

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:37 AM

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It doesnt help when you figure out the Flood's origins in the Forerunner books either

fair hazel Oct 23, 2018, 12:37 AM

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The weapons on the halo ring and sentinels could maybe deal with the guardian, likely

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:37 AM

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Once you explain the unknown horror, it sorta stops being that

fair hazel Oct 23, 2018, 12:37 AM

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but the halo main firing mode itself no

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2018, 12:38 AM

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Yea Halos have confidence turrets... whatever that means I have no idea

fair hazel Oct 23, 2018, 12:38 AM

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Mystery for the pure sake of mystery isn't great.

brave rover Oct 23, 2018, 12:38 AM

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@orchid kettle when (quoted by Rtas'Vadume) "A single Flood infection form can destroy a entire species"

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:38 AM

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I mean, apparently theres been outbreaks since then, and humanity has done just fine with containing them

fair hazel Oct 23, 2018, 12:38 AM

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the flood are like this everpresent threat, in small numbers, or maybe something bigger...

severe bone Oct 23, 2018, 12:38 AM

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Guardians are machines so the Halo array wont affect em

brave rover Oct 23, 2018, 12:38 AM

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And he said he had smelt the stench of the Flood a long time ago in Halo 2

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How is he not infected?!

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I mean airborne Flood spores

fair hazel Oct 23, 2018, 12:39 AM

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Speaking of, hidden xperias video on MJOLNIR armours to counter flood... I didnt really like it

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:39 AM

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Speaking of forerunners

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2018, 12:39 AM

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Funny thing we have zero idea how the first Halo Wars infection started. And how the Covenant held it off for a few years

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:39 AM

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Anyone else bothered with the ease the characters plow through Prometheans

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Even in the books

fair hazel Oct 23, 2018, 12:39 AM

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he didnt get infected

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he didnt breathe the spores i mean

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:39 AM

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Like, being a super soldier is one thing

fair hazel Oct 23, 2018, 12:39 AM

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There is the over glorifications of katanas that annoys me

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:39 AM

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But its not like your gun underwent the same super soldier bulking process

severe bone Oct 23, 2018, 12:39 AM

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Flood may stink but doesnt mean the spore was inhaled haha

brave rover Oct 23, 2018, 12:40 AM

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Probably plot power since old Half-Jaw is basically the second most op Sangiheli next to the Arbiter/Thel'Vadam at #1 basically

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lol

severe bone Oct 23, 2018, 12:40 AM

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But really that^

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:40 AM

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I mean, isnt that what smell is

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Tiny particles of the substance in question

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Entering your nose

severe bone Oct 23, 2018, 12:40 AM

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Hmmm idk

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Like you can smell something gross but doesnt mean the gross thing is inhaled, just the smell of it

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2018, 12:41 AM

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Yea in reality it is just plot about spores and so on annoyingly

severe bone Oct 23, 2018, 12:41 AM

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If that makes sense

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:41 AM

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I mean, Im pretty sure you ARE inhaling it

severe bone Oct 23, 2018, 12:41 AM

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XD

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:41 AM

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if you walk into a bathroom, and its stinks

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Some of that particle doodoo is now in you

severe bone Oct 23, 2018, 12:41 AM

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Oh isnt it just methane

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:41 AM

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Its in you

fair hazel Oct 23, 2018, 12:41 AM

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📎 H3_Flood_Spore.png

severe bone Oct 23, 2018, 12:41 AM

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😱

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2018, 12:42 AM

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But hey infected bodies and biomass could give off a smell if the smell comes off uninfected stuff... but thats a gross thing

fair hazel Oct 23, 2018, 12:42 AM

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📎 H2A_Render_FloodSpore.png

severe bone Oct 23, 2018, 12:42 AM

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Oh yes thats a flood spore

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In h2a

fair hazel Oct 23, 2018, 12:42 AM

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they dont constitute unobsverable particles

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:42 AM

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Dont get me wrong tho, I kinda see the use of a purely robotic force

fair hazel Oct 23, 2018, 12:42 AM

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they're not a gas or a very fine powder

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:42 AM

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Because theres like 2 types of enemies you dont have to feel bad about killing in a video game

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Zombies, and robots

severe bone Oct 23, 2018, 12:42 AM

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Yes

brave rover Oct 23, 2018, 12:42 AM

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If NOBLE Six was still alive and on Installation 04, he would have beat the Flood's infectious asses back to their containment

severe bone Oct 23, 2018, 12:42 AM

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But pretty generic haha

fair hazel Oct 23, 2018, 12:42 AM

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Promethean mechanical forces were likely on purpose built to not last, so that no infection would arise

brave rover Oct 23, 2018, 12:42 AM

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And he would have beat the Covenant's asses on Earth

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High Charity

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:43 AM

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Unless said Robots are experiencing a sudden new sense of self-awareness

fair hazel Oct 23, 2018, 12:43 AM

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No

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2018, 12:43 AM

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Noble 6 however is dead and thus wont be coming back.

brave rover Oct 23, 2018, 12:43 AM

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Installation 05 or whatever it was called in Halo 3

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Requiem

fair hazel Oct 23, 2018, 12:43 AM

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None of those..

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:43 AM

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It was jsut the Ark

severe bone Oct 23, 2018, 12:43 AM

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Noble is dead!? Run away!

brave rover Oct 23, 2018, 12:43 AM

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I'm talking about the final level

vestal scroll Oct 23, 2018, 12:43 AM

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installation 07 is confirmed to be in infinite

fair hazel Oct 23, 2018, 12:43 AM

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Promethean knights are like robot zombies

honest bear Oct 23, 2018, 12:43 AM

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I'm assuming that prometheans get mowed down easily because they weren't meant to fight anything intelligent. Only flood if I'm not mistaken

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:44 AM

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Not Soldiers tho

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They're 100% robits

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And it seems to be the main thing they fight the latest Created Era stories

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2018, 12:44 AM

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I07 is not confirmed to be in Infinite @vestal scroll

fair hazel Oct 23, 2018, 12:44 AM

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Halo spartan field manual is spoiler

brave rover Oct 23, 2018, 12:44 AM

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I was saying that because imagine if NOBLE Six survived The Fall Of Reach

fair hazel Oct 23, 2018, 12:44 AM

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Soldiers are a type of armiger which are a type of sentinel

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:44 AM

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But has Infinite been confirmed to be DOOM: ETERNAL

severe bone Oct 23, 2018, 12:44 AM

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I never really understood the concept of promethean knights when the consciousness of the individual is dumbed down into a machine body and no recollection of who they were before

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:45 AM

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And like I said-- robots

severe bone Oct 23, 2018, 12:45 AM

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Like a errr human battery

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:45 AM

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Thing is, you could kinda reason how Chief and Arby could fight past a few Sentinels since they're more or less just flying guns

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But once you introduce actual combat models

fair hazel Oct 23, 2018, 12:45 AM

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Helps against being infected

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:45 AM

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The suspension of disbelief starts getting strained

fair hazel Oct 23, 2018, 12:45 AM

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from what I gather

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:45 AM

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Its for the sake of a twist

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The classic "ITS PEOPLE!" reveal

severe bone Oct 23, 2018, 12:46 AM

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Yea its true no one else get infected that way

fair hazel Oct 23, 2018, 12:46 AM

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The logic plague would spread even to sentinels rather easily

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:46 AM

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I still dont see the point in separating Humans and Forerunners

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But then making Humans super advanced in the distant past anyway

fair hazel Oct 23, 2018, 12:46 AM

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However whatever happened with the prometheans, it helped against that

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seemingly

severe bone Oct 23, 2018, 12:47 AM

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At the cost of their individuality

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As people

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:47 AM

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And it forced them to be the worst enemy faction in Halo history

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They made them a bit better in Halo 5 with the addition of Soldiers

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But I still dont like Knights

severe bone Oct 23, 2018, 12:48 AM

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When this all over, promise me you will figure which one of us is the machine

fair hazel Oct 23, 2018, 12:48 AM

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Knights are fun

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:48 AM

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Especially in Halo 5, when it feels like all you gotta do is aim at the orb on their side, and then shoot the head

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Not much of a thrilling mini-boss encounter

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Like what Hunter pairs are meant to be

fair hazel Oct 23, 2018, 12:48 AM

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Knights in halo 5 are pretty fun to fight, I like them a lot.

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2018, 12:48 AM

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Actually I find them interesting. Lore wise it shows how twisted the Ur-Didact became to resort to such measures

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:48 AM

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One thing they really need to work on with Soldiers is how they respond to damage

fair hazel Oct 23, 2018, 12:48 AM

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there is this sort of tragicness to the knights as well

honest bear Oct 23, 2018, 12:49 AM

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Hunters are too strong. The shield bash kills you before it even connects

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:49 AM

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Shields becoming brighter and brighter until they pop has always been a genius way of displaying the enemy's "health"

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But for Soldiers, you have no idea how close they are to popping

brave rover Oct 23, 2018, 12:49 AM

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He would have kicked a lot of Covenant and Flood butts with the Chief on Installation 04, easily beat back the Invasion Of Earth if he was leading the UNSC forces there, beat everything in sight easily with the Chief and Thel'Vadam on Installation 08, kicked Promethean butts on Requiem, and could have made a dent in Cortana's forces

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If ONLY Six survived Reach and the glassing....

fair hazel Oct 23, 2018, 12:50 AM

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You're overglorifying Noble six

brave rover Oct 23, 2018, 12:50 AM

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Sorry

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He's cool

honest bear Oct 23, 2018, 12:50 AM

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But Noble 6 adds nothing to the story. He's just a fanfic self-insert character

fair hazel Oct 23, 2018, 12:50 AM

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In my memory, I feel like there might be something

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:50 AM

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The best protag is the Rookie.

brave rover Oct 23, 2018, 12:51 AM

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Could have beat those Elites

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:51 AM

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I think an unproven nobody is a lot more interesting as a main character

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Than a dude who was apparently born the coolest guy alive

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2018, 12:51 AM

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And may he rip

fair hazel Oct 23, 2018, 12:51 AM

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going to go play some warzone to check I guess

brave rover Oct 23, 2018, 12:51 AM

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@orchid kettle what?

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:51 AM

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Rookie also doesnt do anything "badass" outside of the player's control

fair hazel Oct 23, 2018, 12:51 AM

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I dont hold the rookie in too much high regard, if he had a character sure.

unique rune Oct 23, 2018, 12:51 AM

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Noble Six

more like

bad

honest bear Oct 23, 2018, 12:51 AM

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Agreed

brave rover Oct 23, 2018, 12:51 AM

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Imagine if you crossed Halo with Doom and Metroid

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:51 AM

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Which means theres little disconnect between player and protagonist

brave rover Oct 23, 2018, 12:52 AM

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Even more dangerous, I mean, IMAGINE a Flood-infected Metroid or Cyberdemon

fair hazel Oct 23, 2018, 12:52 AM

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Fireteam crimson

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At least with them, you still have the main campaign with John

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2018, 12:52 AM

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I still wonder what Crimson are up too

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:52 AM

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I honestly feel like the people who say "Rookie doesnt have a character, who cares?" has no idea what purpose the Rookie serves in the context of the game as a whole

fair hazel Oct 23, 2018, 12:52 AM

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and after that, you can have crimson

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I like what crimson did

brave rover Oct 23, 2018, 12:52 AM

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Gonna start writing crossover fanfics with those 3 franchises

fair hazel Oct 23, 2018, 12:52 AM

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I miss spartan ops

severe bone Oct 23, 2018, 12:53 AM

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Crimson is pressing buttons

honest bear Oct 23, 2018, 12:53 AM

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True but I want cool interesting characters. Arbiter in Halo 2 was great and Chief in 4 was also good. Rookie and 6 though were just self-inserts and don't really appeal to me

brave rover Oct 23, 2018, 12:53 AM

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wait who is the Rookie? The dude from ODST?

fair hazel Oct 23, 2018, 12:53 AM

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Roland's fun banter too

severe bone Oct 23, 2018, 12:53 AM

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I liked spops

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Alot of ppl didnt tho

brave rover Oct 23, 2018, 12:53 AM

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wait who is the Rookie? The dude from ODST?

severe bone Oct 23, 2018, 12:53 AM

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Yes @brave rover

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:53 AM

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Yes, they're self-inserts. Thats kinda the nature of protags to an extent. They're the one you're supposed to relate to.

fair hazel Oct 23, 2018, 12:53 AM

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one of my favourite things is how they escaped from being locked up, rescued some marines, including TJ Murphy, pretty cool guy, and stole a phantom

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:53 AM

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And lets not forget that the Rookie is but one character out of 5 playable ones

brave rover Oct 23, 2018, 12:53 AM

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If Cortana can come back

fair hazel Oct 23, 2018, 12:53 AM

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One of my favourite crimson moments

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2018, 12:53 AM

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Crimson did do at the very least 1 mission we dont play. Its like their only hint of being characters outside of gameplay stuff we do.

brave rover Oct 23, 2018, 12:53 AM

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Then JOHNSON can come back

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idc

severe bone Oct 23, 2018, 12:54 AM

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Heh some of those were super convenient for gameplay purposes

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But fun

brave rover Oct 23, 2018, 12:54 AM

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jk

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:54 AM

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His silence benefits the lonely atmosphere of New Mombasa

brave rover Oct 23, 2018, 12:54 AM

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the theory about cortana being infected by the flood logic plague is good

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:54 AM

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If he was constantly speaking over the saxophone, it would be at a detriment to the intended feelings of isolation that the level is meant to instill in the player

unique rune Oct 23, 2018, 12:54 AM

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pls no Logic Plague Cortana

fair hazel Oct 23, 2018, 12:55 AM

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soldiers dont have much indication at the begining of damage but they pop fast enough

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2018, 12:55 AM

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I like the fact Cortana has numerous possible causes to be messed up

fair hazel Oct 23, 2018, 12:55 AM

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I do think its multiple things

brave rover Oct 23, 2018, 12:55 AM

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also in the halo 3 menu did anyone notice the halo 2 main menu New Mombasa background still there but with the space elevator destroyed and the Covenant ship destroyed

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:55 AM

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Bombastic missions with plenty of one-liners is what you do in the other missions

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But New Mombasa is not meant to be like that

brave rover Oct 23, 2018, 12:56 AM

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I like Halo 2's main menu theme

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It's peaceful

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:56 AM

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The only sounds are either ambience, or enemies

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And the sick saxophone

brave rover Oct 23, 2018, 12:56 AM

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wtf is going on in #471789476889231371

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who would win? the covenant, or: some shiny green boi and his blue waifu

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 12:58 AM

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Chief was somewhat similar in CE, what with Bungie being so against the Nylund book because they wanted him to remain as a blank slate for the player to inhabit

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Like sure, Marines say stuff like "Look! A Mark V!"

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But Chief wasnt beyond getting reprimanded by Cortana

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Or being tricked by Guilty Spark

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2018, 12:59 AM

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I am thankful 343i did Halo 4 and made Chief a lil more familiar to his book self

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 1:00 AM

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I mean, I never really cared for Nylund's depictions of the Spartan-II

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What with them all being genetically superior ubermen

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With the same basic personality, and being defined by one quirk or one thing they excel at

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Like, remember Anton

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He was good at zero-g combat

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Until he died in zero-g combat.

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2018, 1:02 AM

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Bungie did have a employee on record say to throw the Fall of Reach into a fireplace (though he said it was a good book) in response to something about Halo Reach. That didnt go to well mind you with fans.

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 1:02 AM

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Its why I always liked the CONCEPT of Spartan-IVs

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Even if they havent done too well on the execution of said concept

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2018, 1:03 AM

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Thankfully 343i didnt follow that approach. And made everything canon. (For better or worse)

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 1:03 AM

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I mean, to be fair, I think Reach works better as a tragedy than Fall of Reach did

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In Fall of Reach, you'd be forgiven for not imagining the planet to be anything more than a couple of military camps and a mountain forest

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That, and seeing cowering civilians being cut down is always not a fun thing to watch

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Spurring some players to try and save as many as possible, even though they really dont need to

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2018, 1:05 AM

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The Fall of Reach was the first piece of Halo Media outside the "Cortana letters" and BungiedotNet "Transmissions". And TFoR was written in like weeks compared to other Halo books.

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 1:05 AM

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Contact Harvest works better as a planetary invasion book as well, I'd say

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Like, if you want me to be invested in the fate of a planet

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Endear me to its people and culture

sage cairn Oct 23, 2018, 1:06 AM

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are the halo books a good read?

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 1:06 AM

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I mean, its hit or miss

sage cairn Oct 23, 2018, 1:07 AM

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what should i read?

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 1:07 AM

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some are good. Some are horrible. And some are anywhere in between

sage cairn Oct 23, 2018, 1:07 AM

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i have played all the gamesover and over again

versed helm Oct 23, 2018, 1:07 AM

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Halo retribution is boring

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2018, 1:07 AM

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Halo Mythos is a great start as a summary book of everything prior to Halo Wars 2

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 1:07 AM

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Contact Harvest is actually a pretty good starting point, since it doesnt really require any knowledge of past books

sage cairn Oct 23, 2018, 1:07 AM

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i know alot of the lore

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 1:08 AM

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And it details how the central conflict of the universe began

sage cairn Oct 23, 2018, 1:08 AM

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i have seen almost all of hidden xperias vids

versed helm Oct 23, 2018, 1:08 AM

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they should make a story like halo reach master chief stuff got burned out

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 1:08 AM

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But of course, I like it because I like the characters in it

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Like Mac and Sif

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And ye boi Dadab

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2018, 1:09 AM

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You can also start with "Halo: The Fall of Reach" the definitive edition of course though

sage cairn Oct 23, 2018, 1:09 AM

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it started because of a bad translation of reclaimer right?

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 1:09 AM

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Thing about Fall of Reach is that it likes to time jump all over the place

sage cairn Oct 23, 2018, 1:09 AM

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a part of mendicant bias was on the key ship and it had info on the Reclaimers

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 1:09 AM

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So its not really one cohesive narrative. Not as cohesive as Contact Harvest, at least

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Fall of Reach is also promotional material for the first game

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But Contact Harvest isnt really trying to sell you anything

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2018, 1:11 AM

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However it does build up the origin of the Spartan-IIs. Something very important. If not the mosy important part of lore seeing as Spartan-IIs are still around and are in a lot of media

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 1:11 AM

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And Contact Harvest doesnt have supersoldiers at all.

sage cairn Oct 23, 2018, 1:11 AM

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well we have the halo legends video

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 1:11 AM

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So again, you really dont need to know about whats up with the IIs

sage cairn Oct 23, 2018, 1:12 AM

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which i thonk has a episode on the SPARTAN II program

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 1:12 AM

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Like I said, Fall of Reach essentially exists to explain every element of CE, at the cost of a more complete narrative

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2018, 1:13 AM

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Halo Legends Origins is a great primer. However it has a lot of caveats on visuals and story beats to cause the deeper lore fans to scratch their heads

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Its why I am suggesting Halo Mythos

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 1:14 AM

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I really wouldnt recommend what is essentially a wikipedia summary of other stories

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Just read them.

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2018, 1:15 AM

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I find it a great way to find stuff you are interested in. And then find a story on it

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Works for some. Others not so much

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 1:16 AM

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My issue with them is that they're all about the sequential order of events

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But a story is so much more than a timeline

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2018, 1:18 AM

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Funny thing about that. The only way to fully understand the Harvest battle events is to read stuff in order. But that requires a lot of page swapping and visiting dead pages on the net. A headache for even the most dedicated fans

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 1:19 AM

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I mean, its important to realize that the Halo universe is fiction

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Fiction that is constantly changing hands

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Contact Harvest isnt just about a timeline of events

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Its about the people in that battle

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2018, 1:19 AM

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Yep. The wikis and 343i writers know that oh too well.

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 1:21 AM

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This attitude of looking at everything as a mere sequence of events is what we really annoys me about the Halo fanbase

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2018, 1:21 AM

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And yea I still recommend Contact Harvest.

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 1:21 AM

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L O R E is nice and all. But I just want competent stories.

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2018, 1:22 AM

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I like stuff to work with existing stuff. But thats the wiki admin in me talking.

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 1:22 AM

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Thing is, you have to remember that Harvest existed for an entirely different purpose than it did in Fall of Reach

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in Fall of Reach, it was just the first planet that got got. Nothing more

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The important part of that scene was more about the reveal of the Covenant.

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While in Contact Harvest, the planet is more than just a name. Its a group of people, and a culture.

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2018, 1:23 AM

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Actually talking Harvest reminds me I need to bring up a oddity in Halo Wars about first contact

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Cause there is a head scratcher in the timeline events

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 1:25 AM

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I think you just gotta think about stories in a broader context. That being how the story itself relates to our world, and how it comments upon it.

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Rather than how these separate stories relate to each other.

fair hazel Oct 23, 2018, 1:25 AM

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I like to recommend fall of reach then silent storm

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 1:26 AM

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Because stories tend to have a point

fair hazel Oct 23, 2018, 1:26 AM

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and halo mythos is a good one to get to know the overall stories

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I wouldnt say there`s a horrible halo novel

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 1:26 AM

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Some people think that means some big upset in the fictional universe needs to happen

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But I'd say its more important that the story has some sort of lesson or comment to make

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Like, sure you can SAY that Halo 3: ODST is about recovering the Superintendent AI

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2018, 1:27 AM

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I wouldnt say every story needs a lesson or comment. It could just be exploring a fun character or event. Not doing either of those things

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 1:28 AM

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But I'd argue the more important resolution is Buck and Dare's relationship being repaired

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And that all our fun ODST friends got out okay.

fair hazel Oct 23, 2018, 1:29 AM

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Some material makes previous material better after-the-fact

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New Blood enhances ODST

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 1:29 AM

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No.

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No it does not.

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What it does is trivialize Buck and Dare's relationship

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Depicting it as a week long fling, and then they rarely saw each other until the events of ODST

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Suddenly, Buck's decision to go back into the city to look for her is not about a person desperately trying to find his loved one no matter the odds

fair hazel Oct 23, 2018, 1:31 AM

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IT enhances it. Makes me care more about the characters, the people.

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 1:31 AM

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Ya know, kinda the idea was how Dare and Buck realized just how precious life was

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And decided to give their relationship another go

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2018, 1:31 AM

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I think it does enhance. Infact it made a sadly defunct canon website have a lot more meaning due to the fact it gave us stuff New Blood (and Bad Blood) went into in more detail.

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 1:31 AM

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Sometimes, less is more

fair hazel Oct 23, 2018, 1:31 AM

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maybe your idea

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 1:31 AM

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I cared about the characters back when I played ODST

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ANd the fact that the characters keep showing up in extended media afterwards probably means others did too

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2018, 1:33 AM

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Mickeys story arc has a lot more impact if you were able to watch the Halo 3: ODST interviews. Like it gave a origin point that actually explained stuff with a show dont tell approach. That New Blood did also in a small way.

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 1:33 AM

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Problem is, sometimes you have to let go of what you love

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Because when the story keeps going

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It eventually means what was supposed to be a happy ending gets trampled upon

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Mickey's heel turn makes little sense.

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2018, 1:34 AM

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Mickeys turn makes a lot of sense actually

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 1:35 AM

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Just because his parents, who he barely even knew before they died, were Innies doesnt mean he would be as well

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2018, 1:35 AM

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He like became a demo expert

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His parents made bombs and blew themselves up

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If they had no effect I'd be suprised

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 1:36 AM

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And an insurrectionist killed his friend

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So, it of course makes perfect sense that he'd join that faction

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Lets be real, the reason why Rookie died and Mickey turned traitor was for the sake of removing Buck from Alpha-Nine

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So he could be in Halo 5

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But when Osiris wasnt well received, they back-tracked HARD. And thats not a spoiler, because its literally on the cover.

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2018, 1:38 AM

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Actually New Blood still kept Romeo with Buck at the end. And that wasnt resolved till the Coda was added lol

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 1:38 AM

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And then both Buck and Romeo were reassigned

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And of course, the funny thing is, Buck is only in Halo 5 because hes a popular character

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Which is ironic, since to make that concession, they basically had to tear down the rest of Alpha-Nine and rob Buck of his implied happily ever after from ODST

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Which is why I said that sometimes, you gotta let go of what you love.

modest marsh Oct 23, 2018, 1:40 AM

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Would you happen to know where I can find the ODST interviews?

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 1:40 AM

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If Buck never appeared in any media after ODST, fans would be content knowing that he was off somewhere, settling down with Dare

humble yacht Oct 23, 2018, 1:41 AM

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You mean imagining

orchid kettle Oct 23, 2018, 1:41 AM

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Its fiction. Its all imagination.

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And fans would have no reason to think to the contrary. Since it was pretty explicit that after the war, Buck was going to propose to Dare again.

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New Blood removed any mention of a proposal.

fair hazel Oct 23, 2018, 1:42 AM

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Content knowing?