#lore-and-universe | Halo | Page 139

limpid meadow Oct 17, 2018, 7:16 PM

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Homo Erectus, maybe?

main frost Oct 17, 2018, 7:16 PM

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It just seems counter intuitive to put it into the games.

limpid meadow Oct 17, 2018, 7:16 PM

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How so?

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I mean, the original intent was simply that Humans were Forerunners.

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It's not all that more ridiculous

versed helm Oct 17, 2018, 7:17 PM

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Wait...iirc..didn't it state that there were like 120 varieties of human but the Ur-Didact composed the majority of them on Omega Halo

main frost Oct 17, 2018, 7:19 PM

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That's still pretty ridiculous, but it's one thing to accept that 500 years of advancing technology leads us one place. It's a lot more the accept that there were ancient (and frankly impossible) humans that involved millenia prior to us and that they were wiped out and that forerunner magic made it so they came back again in spite of everything we know about the universe at large.

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You can only suspend your disbelief to a certain point.

limpid meadow Oct 17, 2018, 7:20 PM

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They weren't wiped out

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Ancient Humanity was devolved, which likely just means turning off and on certain genes to achieve an earlier form.

main frost Oct 17, 2018, 7:21 PM

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Which isn't a thing.

limpid meadow Oct 17, 2018, 7:21 PM

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The Librarian simply ensured those genes would come back online over time

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It kind of is

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Scientists have talked about turning off and one genes in birds to get a better idea about the dinosaur ancestors they come from

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And regardless of whether it is or isn't a thing by our standards, we're talking about a civilization millions of years more advanced than us

main frost Oct 17, 2018, 7:22 PM

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They can screw around with DNA. They can't make something into a different species by 'turning off DNA'

snow rain Oct 17, 2018, 7:23 PM

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It's not literally turning off DNA

limpid meadow Oct 17, 2018, 7:23 PM

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Who's talking about making things into a different species?

main frost Oct 17, 2018, 7:23 PM

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You just did.

limpid meadow Oct 17, 2018, 7:23 PM

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No I didn't

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I talked about physical forms

main frost Oct 17, 2018, 7:23 PM

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Reverted to an 'earlier form'

limpid meadow Oct 17, 2018, 7:23 PM

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That doesn't necessarily mean different species

main frost Oct 17, 2018, 7:25 PM

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The way evolution works is through descendants being different than their ancestors. You can't turn something into what they descended from. You could change it. Maybe even make it similar, but what was isn't going to come again.

limpid meadow Oct 17, 2018, 7:25 PM

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Okay, and?

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That's pretty much what I was talking about

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Deactivating certain genes, activating others, to achieve a form closer to one in from the past

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Or in simpler terms: devolution

main frost Oct 17, 2018, 7:27 PM

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Which considering the environment is different than the one in which said species thrived it's descendants are largely going to change in new and unforeseen ways or it's going to die out.

limpid meadow Oct 17, 2018, 7:28 PM

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Unless their forms were guided

main frost Oct 17, 2018, 7:28 PM

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Short of magic you don't get to mess with this stuff and have it come out the other side the same.

limpid meadow Oct 17, 2018, 7:28 PM

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So artificial selection isn't a thing?

main frost Oct 17, 2018, 7:28 PM

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And if you're using magic there isn't a point in doing it that way when you can have the exact species you want pop out exactly the way you want it.

limpid meadow Oct 17, 2018, 7:29 PM

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And honestly, if you read the Forerunner Saga, it's implied that Humanity had taken on new forms since it was devolved

main frost Oct 17, 2018, 7:29 PM

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Artificial selection is a thing. Having two different sets of environments lead to the same outcome isn't.

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Except we were shown humanity of the past.

limpid meadow Oct 17, 2018, 7:30 PM

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You're still talking about natural selection

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The Librarian guiding Human evolution would be the definition of artificial selection

main frost Oct 17, 2018, 7:30 PM

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We aren't talking about selective breeding here.

limpid meadow Oct 17, 2018, 7:31 PM

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What would you call guided evolution, then?

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It's certainly not natural selection and wouldn't necessarily depend on the environment

main frost Oct 17, 2018, 7:31 PM

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Pointless in this case?

limpid meadow Oct 17, 2018, 7:31 PM

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Oh my god...

main frost Oct 17, 2018, 7:32 PM

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Again if they wanted to re institute the same species (or nearly the same species) and did so, then guiding the evolution wouldn't server a purpose.

limpid meadow Oct 17, 2018, 7:32 PM

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Yes it would!

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The Librarian wanted to restore Humanity to their former status so they could claim the Mantle

main frost Oct 17, 2018, 7:33 PM

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Use magic; I can either create the thing I want. Or I can change the thing I want into something else and slowly make it the same.

limpid meadow Oct 17, 2018, 7:33 PM

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You're completely ignoring why Humanity was devolved in the first place

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The Librarian had to take it slow

main frost Oct 17, 2018, 7:34 PM

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and that doesn't even change the fact that there would be new random mutations that may be better at surviving and reproducing than the intended changes.

limpid meadow Oct 17, 2018, 7:34 PM

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And maybe there were!

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Genetic changes aren't always going to manifest physically

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Or in a way that's obvious

versed helm Oct 17, 2018, 7:35 PM

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Debating real science in a video game with someone who fell from space and survived

main frost Oct 17, 2018, 7:35 PM

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Yes, but it's incredibly unlikely that there wouldn't be some form of difference.

limpid meadow Oct 17, 2018, 7:35 PM

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It's unlikely there would be differences?

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Am I reading that right?

main frost Oct 17, 2018, 7:35 PM

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Showing us the ancient humanity was shooting themselves in the foot.

limpid meadow Oct 17, 2018, 7:36 PM

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Oh wait

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I read that wrong

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Anyway: Forerunners were capable of manipulating life

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I don't see the idea that they guided Human form back to what it once was as all that crazy

main frost Oct 17, 2018, 7:37 PM

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Essentially the halo universe has 'Evolution occurred as in our universe' though far earlier and in spite of evidence to the contrary that it could have happened then to create humans as we know them. Then they got reset and then they were guided from there and ended up becoming roughly the same. (And theoretically the same for the other species.)

limpid meadow Oct 17, 2018, 7:37 PM

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Never mind that the H4 terminals are kind of inaccurate, as ancient Humanity had many forms, not just that one

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@main frost Basically, yeah.

main frost Oct 17, 2018, 7:38 PM

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Which is shooting themselves in the foot.

limpid meadow Oct 17, 2018, 7:38 PM

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The reason there's evidence to the contrary is because of Forerunner interference

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But no to the other species

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Forerunners weren't messing with other species

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At least, not to the degree they messed with Humanity

main frost Oct 17, 2018, 7:39 PM

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I was under the impression that jackals/etc existed during the ancient era

limpid meadow Oct 17, 2018, 7:39 PM

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THey did

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But their evolution wasn't guided in any manner

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Civilizatoins post-array firing were reset to Tier 7, but that's only in terms of technology, not biology

versed helm Oct 17, 2018, 7:58 PM

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And I doubt Jackals will ever have a guided civilisation on par with the other civilisations - if that can even be said to truly be the state of affairs.

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There was a Jackal Shipmistress who remarked that the scavenging nature of the Jackals and their naturally discordant mode of operating would mean that Jackals could never unite to the effect that humanity or the San Shyuum could with technology and society.

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That said, joining the Covenant can only be assumed to have compounded the issue. The same for the Sangheili, Unggoy, Yan’me but oddly enough, perhaps not the Brutes.

severe elbow Oct 17, 2018, 8:01 PM

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Well, the Brutes are just back to the same square. Not really better, not really worse.

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Honestly, someone like Atriox is the only way they're going to get past their tribal warfare mindset.

versed helm Oct 17, 2018, 8:07 PM

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Agreed

brisk cape Oct 17, 2018, 8:29 PM

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Don’t forget that they also tinkered with the San’shyuum as well.

severe elbow Oct 17, 2018, 8:29 PM

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Did they? Thought they didn't do anything to the Prophets besides quarantine them to Janjur Qom since they betrayed ancient humanity.

limpid meadow Oct 17, 2018, 8:30 PM

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Yeah, I don't recall them messing with the San'Shyuum

brisk cape Oct 17, 2018, 8:30 PM

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Iirc they basically devolved them because they had sided with ancient humans.

limpid meadow Oct 17, 2018, 8:30 PM

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The San'Shyuum weren't devolved

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They avoided that by surrendering long before Humanity was defeated

brisk cape Oct 17, 2018, 8:31 PM

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Hmmm, thought I read somewhere in the Forerunner saga that they did. My bad

limpid meadow Oct 17, 2018, 8:33 PM

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There was a major cultural shift among the San'Shyuum after the Human-Forerunner war, as a result of their quarantine, but not genetic manipulation

brisk cape Oct 17, 2018, 8:39 PM

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👍🏻

versed helm Oct 17, 2018, 8:48 PM

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I still want to see a picture of what the ancient San'Shyuum looked like

severe elbow Oct 17, 2018, 8:49 PM

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Like handsome Squidward.

limpid meadow Oct 17, 2018, 8:52 PM

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Think Regret, but sexier

brisk cape Oct 17, 2018, 8:57 PM

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XD Handsome Squidward

feral perch Oct 17, 2018, 8:58 PM

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Is it pronounced "San-Sh-Yum" or "San-Shy-Oom?"

brisk cape Oct 17, 2018, 8:59 PM

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Well according to their Halopedia page, they were taller, more muscular and when younger, are much more human like with shorter necks, more prominent noses and chins and their eyes were closer together.

versed helm Oct 17, 2018, 8:59 PM

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A normal San Shyuum has a tall and upright figure, muscular and capable of great dexterity

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Think Praetor

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Which is why when a bunch of female San Shyuum are transported off of Janjor Qom, the females later remark on High Charity how displeased they are at seeing these hunched over, feeble San Shyuum

feral perch Oct 17, 2018, 9:00 PM

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Did anyone notice that Tel 'Szatulai in Silent Storm lacked the "ee" suffix? Is that something practiced by the Silent Shadow?

severe elbow Oct 17, 2018, 9:00 PM

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@feral perch The second.

feral perch Oct 17, 2018, 9:01 PM

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Thanks

severe elbow Oct 17, 2018, 9:01 PM

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The -ai suffix indicates he's a Blademaster.

versed helm Oct 17, 2018, 9:01 PM

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Think of a bunch of models being brought in to mate with Vatican priests

brisk cape Oct 17, 2018, 9:01 PM

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@limpid meadow “Some records suggest that the prehistoric San'Shyuum were genetically manipulated by the Forerunners at the end of the human-Forerunner wars, resulting in an unfortunate physical reduction of their species as punishment for their alliance with humanity.” That’s what I had read, it’s not confirmed if they had been genetically manipulated or not.

feral perch Oct 17, 2018, 9:01 PM

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Aah, I see.

severe elbow Oct 17, 2018, 9:01 PM

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Like Bero 'Kusovai and Toha 'Sumai.

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Hm. Vul 'Soran doesn't have that suffix post-war. I wonder if that means they cast of the "-ai" suffix as well.

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I would assume he would have the "-ai" suffix.

limpid meadow Oct 17, 2018, 9:04 PM

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@brisk cape what's that from?

brisk cape Oct 17, 2018, 9:05 PM

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Waypoint article on them

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https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/universe/species/sanshyuum

limpid meadow Oct 17, 2018, 9:16 PM

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Interesting. I'm certain the Forerunner Saga said they weren't devolved, just quarantined to their home system. Wonder why that was changed.

severe elbow Oct 17, 2018, 9:18 PM

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#unreliablenarrator

last anchor Oct 17, 2018, 9:19 PM

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To be fair we do see them through Bornstellar's eyes, and at that point he's not the Didact so perhaps that is the case

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Some stuff went on behind the scenes (for a Manipular anyway) that weren't entirely honest

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I mean is it out of place for the Forerunners really?

versed helm Oct 17, 2018, 9:36 PM

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I wonder if we'll ever see Rtas Vadum make a return

obsidian thistle Oct 17, 2018, 9:37 PM

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He did in the story Halo: Shadow of Intent.

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We also have that ships status up to a point prior to March 2558

feral perch Oct 17, 2018, 9:39 PM

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Was that around the time of the events of Envoy?

severe elbow Oct 17, 2018, 9:39 PM

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Envoy was in September.

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Have you seen Afterbang's timeline from r/Halo?

obsidian thistle Oct 17, 2018, 9:41 PM

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Halo: Shadow of Intent is late 2553

versed helm Oct 17, 2018, 9:53 PM

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Isn’t the shadow of intent basically a floating rock now?

last anchor Oct 17, 2018, 10:01 PM

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Nope

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Its still active as of 2558

versed helm Oct 17, 2018, 10:17 PM

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Yes I mean isn’t it damaged a whole bunch?

versed helm Oct 17, 2018, 11:12 PM

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Yes

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But Six is still alive

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And we all know it

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Nope..he's dead

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Nah he dead af my guy

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Mans is extra dead with a side of gone

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😂

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It genuinely makes me chuffed that I've got no angry/intense reactions yet

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I was expecting some people to be like

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'He died on Reach!! It's confirmed on Twitter!!'

humble yacht Oct 17, 2018, 11:35 PM

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At this point people are more tired of it than anything

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It’s like a bad joke that someone keeps trying to bring back

versed helm Oct 17, 2018, 11:39 PM

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It's a fresh meme to Gruntposting

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In any case

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Has there been any more updates on Halo Infinite?

versed helm Oct 17, 2018, 11:56 PM

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Mate people have been saying six is alive since reach came out. That joke is 8 years old

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Not fresh at all

feral perch Oct 18, 2018, 12:19 AM

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But what if

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Alive is Six

hallow oyster Oct 18, 2018, 12:47 AM

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speaking of six I really hope that whenever the series ends we get to hear that eulogy from Halsey in game

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i really enjoyed that

versed helm Oct 18, 2018, 1:00 AM

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@versed helm Well clearly I’m not as cool and as MLG as you, am I?

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No

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If you typed Gruntposting into Facebook

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Instead of having the internet acumen of Bridgette the Brexiteer

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Posting an old joke somewhere new doesn’t make it new

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You’d understand my context lad

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What

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How does that even make sense lol

carmine sleet Oct 18, 2018, 4:49 AM

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It makes perfect sense, an old joke is old no matter what you try to do to make people laugh at it again

obsidian thistle Oct 18, 2018, 9:47 AM

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Funny thing. The eulogy was never said to happen at the same time.

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Could be a Halo 4, and Halo 5 scenario where the voice over happens at a different time and place

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Halo 4 = Didacts Ending Speech. That is a weird thing thats debated a lot.

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Halo 5 = Halseys opening speech. Obiously that happens during 2558 and not in Cortanas early years.

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So yea xD That does indeed mean Halsey can die and the eulogy in Halo Reach can still work.

versed helm Oct 18, 2018, 9:56 AM

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Another thing....in Halo:Reach's epilogue..it jumped all the way to 2589..one question..what the hell happened in all that time?

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The Human-Covenant War, the Diadact's Revenge, and Cortana becoming messed up

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Yo I was wondering, but what has become of Rtas Vadum

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Most likely, to me, he is a close ally of the arbiter

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There is the Shadow of Intent story

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what's the name?

clear wren Oct 18, 2018, 10:04 AM

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Isn't he just hunting down the last prophets?

versed helm Oct 18, 2018, 10:05 AM

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idk

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he probably is doing something productive

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Since Cortana and her cult are on a rampage with the guardians, I can see the alliance of humanity, Sangheli, and others joining up

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^

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(outlandish)Like, a 4 man squad of Chief, Arbiter, Rtas, and probably the new, promethean version of the Diadact brought under ONI's control

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kek

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But that's just me

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Also, chief needs at least a frigate, or destroyer for him

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Hell, give him a souped up Punic-Class Supercarrier

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Anyone wanna discuss that unknown ship that crashed on Alpha Halo as shown in the CEA terminals

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ok

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Well the obvious question would be....what species built that ship

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to me, probably some type of unknown species in the galaxy

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It can't only be the ancient humans, humans, and any of the covenant species

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Another thing that comes up to mind about that ship is...how it crash landed on Alpha Halo 60k years after the Great Purification..what species could've advanced within that time frame

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or what tech made it so that the purification didn't interact with them

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Or the possibility of them being from another galaxy

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Which is quite a scary thought, because if they're that advanced then the possibility of destroying a planet is within reach

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Or maybe that this race was one of the many races that were reseeded,and it might be possible that they live in close proximity to Forerunner tech

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alot of tech'

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that is plausible, but if that's the case...

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wait, scratch that

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My mind went blank

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Another thing is..does this race still exist

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Most likely

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If so..would they make good allies in the fight against Cortana and the Created

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yh

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Lest their constructs, which most likely are heavily based on Forerunner tech, nonetheless, may have been affected by the Guardians

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that's a possibility

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I'm gonna take my leave cuz I gotta get to work early today

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sry

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See ya

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Another mystery i have in mind is..what is the ultimate fate of Janjur Qom..was it really destroyed by a supernova as the Reformists claimed it to be or were they lying about its destruction

obsidian thistle Oct 18, 2018, 10:34 AM

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No idea. 343i have left that as a mystery

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And even if it did. The Aliens who remained could have still gotten off it

humble yacht Oct 18, 2018, 1:25 PM

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@versed helm change you discord name to something not inappropriate, please.

heavy linden Oct 18, 2018, 1:27 PM

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I could see that ship being a precursor ship

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It only ever vented gas as far as Spark could tell and the original Flood infection was described as being a powder spread through the air

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From crashed precursor ships

severe elbow Oct 18, 2018, 1:32 PM

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The powder wasn't spread through the air.

humble yacht Oct 18, 2018, 1:36 PM

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They fed it to their livestock

low idol Oct 18, 2018, 1:48 PM

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yeah they made puppy chow with it

brisk cape Oct 18, 2018, 1:49 PM

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I found an error in Bad Blood lol

severe elbow Oct 18, 2018, 1:50 PM

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No, Halo is perfect and has no errors. https://www.halopedia.org/List_of_inconsistencies_in_the_Halo_series

List of inconsistencies in the Halo series

This list is compiled to show the various discrepancies spotted in the Halo universe. Inconsistencies on the list are divided into two types: internal and external. Internal inconsistencies refer to discrepancies which occur within a single source, while external inconsistenc...

low idol Oct 18, 2018, 1:50 PM

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the precursors probably werent too happy about that.

severe elbow Oct 18, 2018, 1:55 PM

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What was the error, anyway?

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I found two that I can remember off the top of my head. Buck quoted the incorrect year for when he went through Spartan-IV training. And there were two different names given at two different points for the planet the Hole in the Wall was on.

brisk cape Oct 18, 2018, 1:58 PM

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Romeo suddenly gets replaced by Mickey when Buck is talking about going EV to the Luna ONI site, then it’s back to Buck and Romeo.

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Page 243 of the ebook.

severe elbow Oct 18, 2018, 1:59 PM

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I'm not near my physical copy.

brisk cape Oct 18, 2018, 1:59 PM

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I looked through the inconsistencies you listed and couldn’t find it on my phone.

severe elbow Oct 18, 2018, 1:59 PM

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Halopedia isn't super expansive on newer stuff.

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Anything Retribution on is a little sparse at the moment.

brisk cape Oct 18, 2018, 2:04 PM

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Ah

limpid kernel Oct 18, 2018, 2:31 PM

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What was the name of the first living grunt you see in the level sacred icon

severe elbow Oct 18, 2018, 2:32 PM

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He doesn't have a name.

main frost Oct 18, 2018, 2:32 PM

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Mr. Explody head

limpid kernel Oct 18, 2018, 2:46 PM

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I like Mr explody head

obsidian thistle Oct 18, 2018, 2:50 PM

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A lot of folks/things have no names in the Halo universe

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Kinda annoying for wikis

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We have 2 boarding crafts

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The Tick

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And the CE/CEA one

limpid kernel Oct 18, 2018, 3:01 PM

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What's the tick

severe elbow Oct 18, 2018, 3:02 PM

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https://www.halopedia.org/Type-28_Tick

Type-28 Tick

The Type-28 Intrusion Vehicle, also known as the Type-28 boarding craft or simply the Tick, is a Covenant ship specifically designed for boarding an enemy vessel.

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Boarding craft from Cairo Station in Halo 2.

limpid kernel Oct 18, 2018, 3:03 PM

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Oh,

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I remember I used to think in ce it was a covenant spirit when I was younger

limpid kernel Oct 18, 2018, 6:08 PM

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During Halo 1 did flood not infect dead bodies at all

clear wren Oct 18, 2018, 6:10 PM

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They didn't.

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In game.

limpid kernel Oct 18, 2018, 6:14 PM

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The crazy marine survived them by playing dead

versed helm Oct 18, 2018, 6:24 PM

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Which is odd because in Halo 3 they can infect the dead..

carmine sleet Oct 18, 2018, 6:25 PM

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Not really, they just weren't able to implement the feature in Halo CE because they just didn't have the tech to do so

limpid kernel Oct 18, 2018, 6:25 PM

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I think it's because they were smarter in 2 and 3

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The canon explanation can't be game tech

carmine sleet Oct 18, 2018, 6:26 PM

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I'm not saying it is, it's just that Oyubaat doesn't seem to know that the reason it wasn't in CE was because of the aforementioned reason

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Canonically, they would have infected dead bodies, it just wasn't shown in game

limpid kernel Oct 18, 2018, 6:30 PM

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I remember one theory that it was a trap for chief so they probably ignored him on purpose

last anchor Oct 18, 2018, 6:47 PM

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I dont think the Flood were smart enough for that.
My personal theory is that the forms were weakened heavily after being in stasis for 100,000 years and they needed a live, active nervous system to tap into. With so many helpless victims to take over, they just ignored anything they figured would be "dead" and went for a live one.

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After all, one was weak enough that Jenkins stayed almost human

versed helm Oct 18, 2018, 6:51 PM

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Okay..i'm writing down a list of which unknown races they've mentioned...so give me one race

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Anyone?

main frost Oct 18, 2018, 6:52 PM

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Vulcans

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High Elves

carmine sleet Oct 18, 2018, 6:53 PM

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Krogan

versed helm Oct 18, 2018, 6:53 PM

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Unknown races in Halo

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I mean..all of the Halo media that released in the last 7 years mentioned the existence of races outside of the ones we already have so far

main frost Oct 18, 2018, 6:59 PM

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Minbari

versed helm Oct 18, 2018, 7:00 PM

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That's not a Halo race

main frost Oct 18, 2018, 7:01 PM

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Head canon says they are. They just haven't been discovered yet.

unique rune Oct 18, 2018, 7:01 PM

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how can we name unknown races if they aren’t known

humble yacht Oct 18, 2018, 7:02 PM

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There are known knowns and known unknowns, but there are also unknown unknowns. We don’t know what we don’t know.

unique rune Oct 18, 2018, 7:03 PM

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thinkingchief

versed helm Oct 18, 2018, 7:03 PM

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I mean like the unknown ship that crash landed on Alpha Halo as shown in the CEA terminals

humble yacht Oct 18, 2018, 7:03 PM

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That’s a known unknown.

main frost Oct 18, 2018, 7:05 PM

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📎 download.jpg

versed helm Oct 18, 2018, 7:05 PM

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I'm asking for any other mentions of these mysterious races

main frost Oct 18, 2018, 7:07 PM

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Do the primates with the teddy bear on Sierra 117 count?

carmine sleet Oct 18, 2018, 7:07 PM

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I think they should in a semi-canon way

versed helm Oct 18, 2018, 7:21 PM

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@carmine sleet Poor old Oyubaat

obsidian thistle Oct 18, 2018, 7:52 PM

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Well I dub the mystery aliens who meddle... Meddlers

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Just cause they do a lot of meddling that it causes huge events

humble yacht Oct 18, 2018, 7:53 PM

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Guilty Spark already dubbed the Covenant as meddlers

obsidian thistle Oct 18, 2018, 7:54 PM

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Make Guilty Spark lose hope in aliens just enough after he became hopeful so he threatens the PoA. (Conversations from the Universe)
Potientially they release the Flood on Delta Halo.
Meddles in being able to destroy Covie ships.

versed helm Oct 18, 2018, 7:55 PM

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And there's the unknown Netherop civilization

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And whatever was imprisoned inside the Halo CEA map Solitary

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And the unknown shipwrecks on the Halo 4 map Wreckage

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Am i missing any?

fair hazel Oct 18, 2018, 8:53 PM

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the race iwth the delta halo ruins

feral perch Oct 18, 2018, 9:26 PM

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What Netherop civilization?

versed helm Oct 18, 2018, 9:28 PM

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https://www.halopedia.org/Netherop

feral perch Oct 18, 2018, 9:29 PM

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Also, speaking of Silent Storm, I'm having an interesting time trying to figure out exactly how many prowlers were in Task Force Yama. Halima Ascot said on page 65 that it consists of three squadrons of prowlers. Later, on page 301, it's mentioned that half of Yama's prowler force was destroyed at the Biko system, seven prowlers total.

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So, including the Night Watch and the three vessels in Sierra Force that attacked Naraka, as well as the three prowlers belonging to Hector Nyeto, that's eight prowlers, so, not including the Vanishing Point, that would be 15 prowlers?

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Doesn't sound like three squadrons. But then, there are three 'surviving' prowlers belonging to Hush and Slipper flights that were also present at Naraka.

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So, hm.

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oops

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four vessels, four vessels in Sierra Force at Naraka

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Also the Vanishing Point had an escort, I'm assuming those were prowlers.

last anchor Oct 18, 2018, 9:47 PM

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A squadron of aircraft is usually 12, but I think it can be adjusted for prowlers since they're ships

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15 prowlers sounds about right, 3 squadrons of 5

feral perch Oct 18, 2018, 9:58 PM

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That makes sense I suppose.

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They are a bit larger than our modern aircraft, aren't they?

glacial sandal Oct 18, 2018, 9:58 PM

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A quick google-search shows that naval squadrons could number as few as three

feral perch Oct 18, 2018, 9:58 PM

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at least, fighters

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Ah, I saw that a typical squadron is usually 12-24 craft

glacial sandal Oct 18, 2018, 9:59 PM

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That's aircraft

feral perch Oct 18, 2018, 9:59 PM

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Mm, true.

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Wrong squadron then

glacial sandal Oct 18, 2018, 10:00 PM

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Navy's just a mess anyway. Especially in RL

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The difference between frigates, destroyers, and cruisers, for example, is often blurred

feral perch Oct 18, 2018, 10:01 PM

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Despite the fact that spacecraft are typically considered to be navy, many of the smaller ships still physically resemble aircraft. Kind of a subconscious assumption I guess that the squadrons would be equivalent

glacial sandal Oct 18, 2018, 10:02 PM

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Except aircraft don't have crews of ~90 people

feral perch Oct 18, 2018, 10:02 PM

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Prowlers kind of remind me of Nighthawks

glacial sandal Oct 18, 2018, 10:02 PM

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The only one which is pretty easy to confuse is the Winter-class - that's only slightly bigger than a Longsword

feral perch Oct 18, 2018, 10:02 PM

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Ah, true, true.

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Is it just me or did the Prowler in H5:G seem really tiny?

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Ah, would that be the Winter-class prowler, then?

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Yes, it is.

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I don't know the class designations all that well, but that's what I was thinking of when I made the comparison between aircraft.

glacial sandal Oct 18, 2018, 10:09 PM

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Yeah, the Winter-class is the smallest naval ship to-date

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Most naval ships, especially prowlers, are usually much larger - the Sahara-class prowler is 281 metres, for example

feral perch Oct 18, 2018, 10:11 PM

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I remember first time I played Halo 5, walking into it on the third Meridian level to get the Nornfang and thinking "how did Blue Team fit in here?"

glacial sandal Oct 18, 2018, 10:12 PM

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Yeah, it surprised me too

feral perch Oct 18, 2018, 10:13 PM

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Yep. also no way a platoon of ODSTS is fitting in a Winter-class lol

glacial sandal Oct 18, 2018, 10:15 PM

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Well, we haven't seen the entire interior, and supposedly it can carry a small platoon

feral perch Oct 18, 2018, 10:15 PM

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oh, serious?

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huh

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oh wow, it can hold 20 personnel

fair hazel Oct 18, 2018, 10:25 PM

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its not that tiny...

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https://www.halopedia.org/images/2/28/Patrick-sutton-prowler-03.jpg

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https://www.halopedia.org/images/8/81/H5G-CFAcrisius.jpg

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84.2m long

glacial sandal Oct 18, 2018, 10:54 PM

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And a Longsword is about 60 metres

feral perch Oct 18, 2018, 10:55 PM

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It honestly looks like a big Broadsword

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Or something in Batman's arsenal

glacial sandal Oct 18, 2018, 10:56 PM

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It's only slightly bigger than the RW Visby-class corvette, which is 72 metres long

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By all warship standards, it's tiny

snow rain Oct 18, 2018, 11:51 PM

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I really want to see how the pilot area looks like (also learned another word that isn't allowed by the filter)

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Was hoping to see more of the interior in warfleet but alas

fair hazel Oct 19, 2018, 12:09 AM

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This? @snow rain
I really want to see how the cockpit looks like. Was hoping warfleet would show more of the interior but alas

snow rain Oct 19, 2018, 12:09 AM

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Yeah there's that one word there with the C

versed helm Oct 19, 2018, 12:15 AM

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Lmao oof

ripe sage Oct 19, 2018, 2:00 AM

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can someone tell me where a pilot sits?

feral perch Oct 19, 2018, 2:01 AM

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In the pilot's seat.

ripe sage Oct 19, 2018, 2:01 AM

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i need the word

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i'm testing stuff

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not trying to get you in trouble lol

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😃

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but i can bypass the filter

fair hazel Oct 19, 2018, 2:01 AM

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haha

feral perch Oct 19, 2018, 2:01 AM

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cochpit

fair hazel Oct 19, 2018, 2:02 AM

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just say the actual word

ripe sage Oct 19, 2018, 2:02 AM

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buddy

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pls

feral perch Oct 19, 2018, 2:02 AM

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cockpit

ripe sage Oct 19, 2018, 2:02 AM

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._.

fair hazel Oct 19, 2018, 2:02 AM

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it works

ripe sage Oct 19, 2018, 2:02 AM

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🎊

fair hazel Oct 19, 2018, 2:02 AM

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lets ban him!

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just kidding

ripe sage Oct 19, 2018, 2:02 AM

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i'm not

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👀

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okay i am

feral perch Oct 19, 2018, 2:02 AM

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are those cherries?

ripe sage Oct 19, 2018, 2:02 AM

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it's a ball of confetti

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🍒

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those are cherries

feral perch Oct 19, 2018, 2:03 AM

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kek

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Halo: Reach 2

ripe sage Oct 19, 2018, 2:08 AM

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that's Combat Evolved

unique rune Oct 19, 2018, 2:11 AM

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Halo Reach 2
more like

no

feral perch Oct 19, 2018, 2:28 AM

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Halo: Reach prequel

calm slate Oct 19, 2018, 5:45 AM

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Is there chickens on reach?

versed helm Oct 19, 2018, 6:44 AM

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Moa?

wide thicket Oct 19, 2018, 11:19 AM

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Yeah i hear they taste like chicken

limpid kernel Oct 19, 2018, 12:43 PM

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Hehe ^

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Also there was squirrel and porcupine on reach (cut though)

obsidian thistle Oct 19, 2018, 1:32 PM

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There was a lot of birds in Reach though. Like so many the wikis are even missing some

craggy trout Oct 19, 2018, 1:37 PM

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The ones in 2 were better because you could shoot em and make em explode

obsidian thistle Oct 19, 2018, 2:08 PM

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You can shoot the ones in Reach also

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And 3

severe elbow Oct 19, 2018, 2:11 PM

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So after looking at the timeline for Halo 5 a lot when I was reading both Legacy of Onyx and Bad Blood, I don't think Halopedia's listed date of October 28, 2558 for FERO's death makes sense. How was she recovered, made into an AI, then taken by Osman from Sydney when the Guardian arrived there, all in one day?

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I can't really figure out just from Halopedia how they got the October 28 date unless it was stated in Hunt the Truth somewhere I can't remember.

limpid kernel Oct 19, 2018, 2:15 PM

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Where are the birds in reach?

obsidian thistle Oct 19, 2018, 2:20 PM

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I was planning on revising Halopedias timeline. :D

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@severe elbow

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Making it 10x better. With some new toys I discovered on the wiki

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And the birds they fly in pre-determined areas

severe elbow Oct 19, 2018, 2:26 PM

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If you need to reference Afterbang's timeline for anything feel free. It should be good for all of the new stuff, mostly.

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References page numbers and everything.

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I'm almost done adding the Field Manual.

craggy trout Oct 19, 2018, 2:29 PM

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@obsidian thistle
But they don't explode into blood and gore

versed helm Oct 19, 2018, 2:37 PM

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If you eat Moa then you're sick in the head

craggy trout Oct 19, 2018, 3:33 PM

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Ain't nothin like fried Moa in the morning

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Lol that makes me think. All the Moa on reach we're fried va glassing beam

severe elbow Oct 19, 2018, 3:35 PM

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Some survived in remote sectors that weren't glassed.

craggy trout Oct 19, 2018, 3:37 PM

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Moa survivors in the mountains

obtuse void Oct 19, 2018, 3:48 PM

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Good to know that some Moa survived, so that we can go back to making burgers out of them. Yum.

carmine sleet Oct 19, 2018, 3:49 PM

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They'd need to refill their stock of Moa first, can't just kill the last few to forfil the demand for Moa Burgers

obtuse void Oct 19, 2018, 3:51 PM

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The wait for the burgers is going to be a long one

carmine sleet Oct 19, 2018, 3:51 PM

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Most likely

obtuse void Oct 19, 2018, 3:51 PM

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Good thing we still have cows, and probably some other animals to be our burgers.

craggy trout Oct 19, 2018, 4:06 PM

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Recon that anyone has made food out of covenant?

obtuse void Oct 19, 2018, 4:15 PM

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I'm sure someone has, wouldn't be too hard. Just slice off some meaty bits and fry them on a skillet.

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Just gotta get a corpse

craggy trout Oct 19, 2018, 5:03 PM

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Stewed Grunt

versed helm Oct 19, 2018, 5:31 PM

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It’s Friday where’s my lore

severe elbow Oct 19, 2018, 5:31 PM

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It's at your local library.

versed helm Oct 19, 2018, 5:39 PM

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thinkingchief

versed helm Oct 19, 2018, 5:57 PM

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So how do spartan ranks work?

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Like I imagine if it’s possible for them to be a general they wouldn’t be on the front line, but then if they’re not on the front line what’s the point of them being a spartan

dusty pilot Oct 19, 2018, 5:58 PM

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maybe Flag Ranks are restricted from them.

remote spruce Oct 19, 2018, 6:41 PM

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Ok good

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But this is post war only I assume

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Like Carter's rank isn't that

humble yacht Oct 19, 2018, 6:42 PM

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Palmer's title of Commander isn't official, as far as I know

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or rather, not formal

remote spruce Oct 19, 2018, 6:43 PM

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The whole "Spartans now have no ranks" thing seems to be downplayed going by current info

severe elbow Oct 19, 2018, 6:44 PM

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It is official.

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The "Spartans have no ranks" is more of an attitude than official doctrine. And as Buck says in New Blood, it's one of those "but some are more equal than others" situations.

humble yacht Oct 19, 2018, 6:45 PM

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halopedia says that her Commander rank is title only, according to Initiation

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Don't have the issue on hand at the moment; will have to reference after work

brittle gorge Oct 19, 2018, 6:46 PM

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Wasn't Dalton an Operator on Infinity?

severe elbow Oct 19, 2018, 6:46 PM

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I can't even remember what Initiation says about her Commander rank.

humble yacht Oct 19, 2018, 6:46 PM

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I don't think Specializations counted as ranks

severe elbow Oct 19, 2018, 6:47 PM

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Miller was an Operator.

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Or, mission handler.

humble yacht Oct 19, 2018, 6:47 PM

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An Operator and a Pioneer would have the same rank

severe elbow Oct 19, 2018, 6:47 PM

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Whatever the position is.

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Yeah, I wasn't meaning the Specializations.

brittle gorge Oct 19, 2018, 6:48 PM

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Hnn, what was Dalton then?

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Intel?

humble yacht Oct 19, 2018, 6:48 PM

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He acted as a mission handler sometimes but I don't think that was an official position or rank

brittle gorge Oct 19, 2018, 6:49 PM

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Ah, alright. Thanks

remote spruce Oct 19, 2018, 6:50 PM

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Oh I thought Dalton was drop-2-battle-rifles-guy

humble yacht Oct 19, 2018, 7:17 PM

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That's been my understanding, that her title was more role than rank.

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Though i had to look up that info. Admittedly when I first heard Palmer get the "Commander" title, I assumed she took over as XO of the Infinity

obsidian thistle Oct 19, 2018, 7:18 PM

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Kinda wish 343i put more into the whole "Spartan Ranks" thing thats canon. Aka multiplayer ranks in Halo 4/5

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But no all we know is they exist. And there is at the very least 50.

humble yacht Oct 19, 2018, 7:20 PM

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I imagine Palmer's SR would be max, giving credence to her elevated status above other spartans

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Or at least, close to max

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maybe she's 151

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Yeah I'm not seeing that bit of info

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Nope.

fair hazel Oct 19, 2018, 7:34 PM

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reminder that the spartan field manual is spoilers until six days from now

obsidian thistle Oct 19, 2018, 7:38 PM

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I do plan to add the stuff in. Its just working out how not to mess stuff up lol

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That also

versed helm Oct 19, 2018, 8:10 PM

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And as far as I can recall, Kurt holds the highest rank of Lieutenant Commander (someone can feel free to correct me)

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But if I also recall correctly, that was because Ackerson decided to promote him there and then and by the time ONI/Parangosky found out there wasn't much that could be practically done.

humble yacht Oct 19, 2018, 8:11 PM

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Carter was a full Commander

severe elbow Oct 19, 2018, 8:19 PM

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If we wanna get real technical, Osman is the highest rank Spartan. Of the "graduated" Spartan-IIs, I think you mean Fred is the highest ranked and that Kurt gave him the brevet promotion.

versed helm Oct 19, 2018, 8:52 PM

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I actually wrote down a list of what unknown races they have mentioned in the last seven years..and i need help if i'm missing any

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Anyone wanna help?

obsidian thistle Oct 19, 2018, 9:14 PM

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https://www.halopedia.org/User:CIA391/Sandbox4#Mystery_aliens_in_Halo

Sandbox4

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That will help

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*Gotta love my sandboxes on Halopedia so much in progress stuff or stuff on hold. XD

versed helm Oct 19, 2018, 9:20 PM

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I wonder if we'll get any new info on Heian

glacial sandal Oct 19, 2018, 9:23 PM

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Isn't that confirmed to be ancient human ruins now?

versed helm Oct 19, 2018, 9:24 PM

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Probably...since they contain various human architectural styles such as Greco-Roman,Middle Eastern,and East Asian

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But with subtle Forerunner themes to them

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 11:56 AM

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@versed helm I'm interested, even more if you speak about the crashed-vessel in Halo CE Anniversary's terminals

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I've been harassing the forums on waypoint but never got any answer about that piece of lore

tall moat Oct 20, 2018, 12:28 PM

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Ain’t it ironic that the Covenant could’ve been worshipping ancient human structures?

glacial sandal Oct 20, 2018, 2:15 PM

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I don't think they worshipped the Heian ones - did they? Regardless, would've been a bit funny had Bungie's original intention been followed

tall moat Oct 20, 2018, 2:17 PM

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I don’t know what they were doing there, but a few of them must have felt some reverence towards the ruins

glacial sandal Oct 20, 2018, 2:22 PM

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It was something to do with logistics

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 6:03 PM

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From what i recall those ruins...it's interesting on how they are intact

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But we have no idea where in the galaxy Heian is

last anchor Oct 20, 2018, 6:33 PM

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I dont think its human controlled

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 6:42 PM

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But somehow the UNSC found it

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 7:16 PM

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the covenant followed smart people cant change my mind

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 7:47 PM

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Six is alive

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Can't change my mind

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Nope...he's dead Jim

viral citrus Oct 20, 2018, 7:59 PM

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what do you think would happen if you just took a big chomp of flood mass

carmine sleet Oct 20, 2018, 8:00 PM

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You become infected

viral citrus Oct 20, 2018, 8:04 PM

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yeah but how would it taste

carmine sleet Oct 20, 2018, 8:05 PM

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I'd rather not know

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 8:29 PM

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What would happen if you ate a chunk of Moa?

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You'd be a sick person

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That's what

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#stopeatingmoa

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#savethemoa

last anchor Oct 20, 2018, 8:32 PM

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Tell that to the guy who has a farm of them now worth a billion credits

radiant sphinx Oct 20, 2018, 8:50 PM

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The Moa burgers from Exodus bro

dusty pilot Oct 20, 2018, 8:51 PM

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What would a Brute taste like?

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 8:53 PM

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Pretty tasty

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Next to fried Jackal and mashed potato

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Which, interestingly enough, is an actual fear by the Jackals.

last anchor Oct 20, 2018, 8:53 PM

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I mean, if your in the field, you eat what you can...

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Consuming of your foe is not barbaric if they're being more barbaric before. And I mean its not CANNIBALISM.
Brutes eat humans. Why not the other way around?

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Jackals are probably the most edible. Grunts no so much. Sangheili and Brutes probably taste horrible

dusty pilot Oct 20, 2018, 9:22 PM

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what about Hunters?

obsidian thistle Oct 20, 2018, 9:31 PM

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Eels are already an aquired taste.

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Doubt Lekgolo would be on a menu ever.

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 10:02 PM

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Noble six does live in a cave

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📎 image0.jpg

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Thank you so much

unique rune Oct 20, 2018, 10:18 PM

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iFunny watermark

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 10:36 PM

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Yeah guys

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He's living in a cave

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Carter too

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It's explained in Halo: Apocalypse that when Carter crashed into the Scarab, he managed to quickly key in a fragment of Auntie Dot into the pelican and jump out.

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You can see it just BARELY in the cinematic.

carmine sleet Oct 20, 2018, 10:37 PM

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If cave is a metaphor for being dead, then sure

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 10:37 PM

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It's not

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Don't worry

carmine sleet Oct 20, 2018, 10:38 PM

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Oh, I'm fine with them being dead, kinda ruins Reach if they lived

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 10:38 PM

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Anyway, Carter and Noble Six are hanging out in a cave, which is why you see the helmet cracked

carmine sleet Oct 20, 2018, 10:38 PM

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Helmets being cracked does not have any relation to them being in a cave

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 10:38 PM

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Oh really?

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Hold my beer

carmine sleet Oct 20, 2018, 10:39 PM

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Like, if I walk into a cave with a helmet on, it won't suddenly be cracked

feral perch Oct 20, 2018, 10:39 PM

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That's offensive to caves

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 10:40 PM

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First of all. When Six got beat down, his helmet was cracked, ergo his helmet was cracked from the start. So basically the helmet we see on the ground is as a result of him TRYING to get to the cave in the background, but just being so disappointed with the fact that he and Carter were the only ones to come out alive out of all the BILLIONS of people on Reach

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That he just discarded it lol

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Checkmate Slipstream.

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Checkmate.

carmine sleet Oct 20, 2018, 10:40 PM

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Not really considering that we don't see a cave in the background, but an entire mountain

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 10:41 PM

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Who the hell said there's no caves in a mountain?

carmine sleet Oct 20, 2018, 10:41 PM

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Sure, there were caves in said mountain but considering that Six was being attacked by an entire army, I doubt he is alive

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 10:41 PM

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I suppose there are no caves under water too Slip?

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They're just a figment of our imagination?

carmine sleet Oct 20, 2018, 10:41 PM

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That and Carter is dead, if he made it off of the Pelican, we would've seen it

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 10:41 PM

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You can BARELY just see it

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I theorize that Kat survived the sniping as well

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We don't officially see the plasma bolt run through her helmet to her brain

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So it's possible that she made it to the cave with Carter and Six lol

carmine sleet Oct 20, 2018, 10:42 PM

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It wasn't plasma

feral perch Oct 20, 2018, 10:42 PM

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It was a needle and you're lying partially

carmine sleet Oct 20, 2018, 10:42 PM

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It was a needle rifle round

feral perch Oct 20, 2018, 10:42 PM

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We see it lodge in her helmet

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 10:42 PM

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Yeah

carmine sleet Oct 20, 2018, 10:42 PM

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Indeed

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 10:43 PM

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But she could have been evacuated and held in a secret ONI facility.

feral perch Oct 20, 2018, 10:43 PM

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She collapses

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She died

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 10:43 PM

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And that's where we theorize she's made it to the cave.

feral perch Oct 20, 2018, 10:43 PM

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She ded

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no i

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.... No u

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 10:43 PM

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I'm telling you guys lol

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When Halo Reach 2 comes out

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You're going to look like fools

carmine sleet Oct 20, 2018, 10:43 PM

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Kat's dead Oyu, they had no way she was able to be brought back after having a round go through her brain

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 10:43 PM

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Again

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We don't officially see it go through her brain

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Like for example

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When you shoot a Moa on Reach, it 'falls dead' but it could be like an opossum

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Playing dead maybe?

high ridge Oct 20, 2018, 10:45 PM

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walking in on a hot halo debate be like

carmine sleet Oct 20, 2018, 10:45 PM

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We don't need to have a shot of it specifically travelling through the brain to know she's dead, basic knowledge of human anatomy tells us she couldn't have survived a round going through her head

high ridge Oct 20, 2018, 10:45 PM

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thinkingchief

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 10:45 PM

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Says who?

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ONI has access to top secret facilities that are manned by half Moa scientists.

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She could have easily have been transported to one of those facilities

high ridge Oct 20, 2018, 10:45 PM

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gets popcorn

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 10:45 PM

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And had the half Moa scientists work on reviving her

high ridge Oct 20, 2018, 10:46 PM

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Gets extra comfy in my seat

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leans back and enjoys the spice

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Did Oyubatt win the debate?

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 10:47 PM

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Not yet

#

Slip is typing up a critical essay in response

high ridge Oct 20, 2018, 10:47 PM

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Lol

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 10:47 PM

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Little does Slip know, I attended a critical law school

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I'm waiting.

high ridge Oct 20, 2018, 10:47 PM

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I’m playing through reach campaign atm

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First time, even though i have like 1000 hours in mp

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 10:48 PM

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Well

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It's seems he's given up

#

My theory holds

carmine sleet Oct 20, 2018, 10:48 PM

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Ok, I'm not even going to bother because it just seems like you're making stuff up to try and bring back NOBLE Team. But this is the thing, they aren't coming back, there's no half Moa scientists, or any way to bring back someone who got shot through the head

high ridge Oct 20, 2018, 10:48 PM

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Lmao

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 10:48 PM

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LMAO

high ridge Oct 20, 2018, 10:48 PM

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Not yet

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 10:48 PM

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He's riding this troll right through to the end

carmine sleet Oct 20, 2018, 10:48 PM

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To be honest, it seems like you're just trolling at this point @versed helm

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 10:48 PM

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Yeah bro

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I've been pulling your leg right from the start

carmine sleet Oct 20, 2018, 10:49 PM

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And don't call me a troll, I'm not the one making up stuff about Six being alive

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 10:49 PM

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Of course Six is dead

high ridge Oct 20, 2018, 10:49 PM

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The games been rigged from the start

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 10:49 PM

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Why is it that on every major Discord server

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There's so many folks without a sense of humor

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Chill your Moa feet out

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Though you got to admit Slip

carmine sleet Oct 20, 2018, 10:49 PM

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Maybe it's because humour doesn't come across very well in text

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 10:49 PM

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My theory about the Moa scientists was bold

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sarcasm and humor doesnt always transmit through text

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especially concerning a serious or grim topic

carmine sleet Oct 20, 2018, 10:50 PM

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It wasn't a bold theory, it was very bad

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 10:50 PM

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You're just mad you didn't think of it yourself

carmine sleet Oct 20, 2018, 10:50 PM

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No

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 10:50 PM

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Slipstream the type of guy to use bubble shield when you swing a spent energy sword in game

high ridge Oct 20, 2018, 10:50 PM

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Just picturing slipstream going red in fury behind the screen

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 10:50 PM

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Me too lmao

high ridge Oct 20, 2018, 10:51 PM

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He’s just kicking his table lol

carmine sleet Oct 20, 2018, 10:52 PM

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@versed helm Hey so Oyubaat and lemondrizl seem to think it's ok to insult me over not understanding their jokes

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 10:53 PM

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Slip

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I can smell a fellow autistic individual from a mile off

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And if you truly are autistic, then I think it's hugely ironic that you've been trolled by your own kind

carmine sleet Oct 20, 2018, 10:53 PM

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I recommend you look up that term before using it as an insult

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 10:53 PM

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I can use it as an insult?

high ridge Oct 20, 2018, 10:53 PM

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We pulled the autist card

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 10:53 PM

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I'm Aspergers?!

high ridge Oct 20, 2018, 10:54 PM

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You gotta seal the deal on this argument slipstream

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 10:54 PM

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He's lost it pal

last anchor Oct 20, 2018, 10:54 PM

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Errmm

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Right

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 10:54 PM

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This was such an innocent troll turned foul

high ridge Oct 20, 2018, 10:54 PM

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We want you to shine

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 10:54 PM

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Orca

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Restore order

#

On a lighter note:

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http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Sharquoi

high ridge Oct 20, 2018, 10:55 PM

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We need to know the truth of noble six

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 10:55 PM

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MIA officially

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Have the Sharquoi only been canonised as of the Envoy novel?

fair hazel Oct 20, 2018, 10:55 PM

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Knock it off

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 10:56 PM

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I remember they were in working as of CE but were scrapped and the concept never re-touched?

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But Envoy appeared to pick them up and use the concept.

fair hazel Oct 20, 2018, 10:56 PM

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NO, you cant use autism or something similar as an insult

high ridge Oct 20, 2018, 10:56 PM

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What lol

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 10:56 PM

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Ericky

fair hazel Oct 20, 2018, 10:57 PM

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And dont troll

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 10:57 PM

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Imagine saying to an autistic person that they can't use their own neurological illness for humorous purposes

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doesnt matter

fair hazel Oct 20, 2018, 10:57 PM

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Don't like it, then you can go

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 10:57 PM

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I didn't articulate that

high ridge Oct 20, 2018, 10:57 PM

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Yeah 😎

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 10:57 PM

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Those words didn't exit my mouth.

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What I'm pointing out, is the irony of such a rule.

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And if irony is against the terms and conditions of this chat, then I'd like you both to point it out.

high ridge Oct 20, 2018, 10:58 PM

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Oyubatt speaking the word out here can i get a amen

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 10:58 PM

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It's as exactly as I said

high ridge Oct 20, 2018, 10:59 PM

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Ericky went silent lmao

fair hazel Oct 20, 2018, 10:59 PM

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Be respectful

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Do not use profanity or any creative form of bypassing the word filters.

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Now knock it off

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End of subject

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 10:59 PM

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I yield

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I'm not going to question the lay of the land

carmine sleet Oct 20, 2018, 10:59 PM

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Thanks Ericky

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 10:59 PM

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But I am going to point out its irony

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@carmine sleet We still down for Moa burgers on Tuesday?

high ridge Oct 20, 2018, 11:00 PM

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More of a food nipple guy myself

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Wow just kinda went dead up in here

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 11:02 PM

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That's usually how it goes

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You don't delve into some four page nerd rant and it falls dead.

high ridge Oct 20, 2018, 11:02 PM

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Does anyone ever dream about that halo gravemind “leak”

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 11:02 PM

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Word, the Gravemind is an amazing poet

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Can we at least agree on that @carmine sleet ?

high ridge Oct 20, 2018, 11:03 PM

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Like for real i want a game where your a marine and like you wander around that forest from 343 guilty spark

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 11:03 PM

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I don't know

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More more autistic pop and it’s over

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Something about ODST and the lack of MJOLNIR shielding got me

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@versed helm

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What do you mean?

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You can read

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I can

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But I couldn't make sense of that

high ridge Oct 20, 2018, 11:04 PM

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Tf is autistic pop

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 11:04 PM

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I meant say it again

high ridge Oct 20, 2018, 11:05 PM

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Ehhh

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 11:05 PM

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But ... we've stopped?

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Do not attack, flame, troll, impersonate, be rude or aggressive, insult, berate any individuals, communities, companies, or organizations on this server. Attacks against others are not allowed on this server or in private messages. Please be tactful and civil.

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So I say this:

high ridge Oct 20, 2018, 11:06 PM

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Lmao

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Didnt we just talk about this...

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thinkingchief

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 11:07 PM

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Oh I know

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I’m making sure you understand next time won’t be a slap on the wrist again

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Thank you for your constructive advice both @fair hazel and @versed helm, but I kindly acquiesce your authority, and suggest that you engage in entering the real world and indulging in a life pursuit outside of manhandling users on a chat service. One would suggest that you kindly cease your pomposity and accept that our uncivil discourse has reached its climax.

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How was that for tact?

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You don’t need to flex

high ridge Oct 20, 2018, 11:08 PM

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flexing lol

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Anyway...

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 11:09 PM

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Agreed

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ANYWAY...

high ridge Oct 20, 2018, 11:09 PM

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For real imagine a flood horror game

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Need it

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Just to expand on the flood after them being gone for like 10 years

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Imagine like master chief infected

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It would be like alien isolation or something

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343pls

versed helm Oct 20, 2018, 11:11 PM

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I thought the Halo Evolutions: Mona Lisa episode was fantastic.

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Certainly bought a clear picture of what Flood damage protocol would look like if it became out of control.

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And to think that the UNSC just seemed to be willy nilly about the containment of Flood aboard the Installations, where the Forerunners were much more precise and articulate. That is to say, you'd think humanity would exercise just as much caution instead of letting the flood gain footholds most of the time.

high ridge Oct 20, 2018, 11:13 PM

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smh humanity

radiant sphinx Oct 20, 2018, 11:21 PM

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Alright so something I thought of a few days ago is bothering me and I can’t find anything regarding it on the Wiki or anywhere I’ve seen. In Halo 2, the Arbiter cuts the cable on the Sentinel factory to draw out the heretic before the atmospheric storm hits. But if an installation was able to survive in the atmosphere of the gas giant for millennia, why is this storm so grave? Couldn’t the phantoms just destroy the Heretic’s seraph through the hangar door that was previously opened and just wait him out?

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I mean obviously for gameplay, but still. I’m just not seeing why this storm is particularly dangerous in a hunkered facility

severe elbow Oct 20, 2018, 11:49 PM

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They didn't think of the Heretic Leader using the Seraph to escape until after the cable was cut.

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The storm probably would enter the facility, which wasn't an issue when the station was unoccupied.

feral perch Oct 21, 2018, 12:47 AM

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is Joshua-029 the leader of Green Team in SS?

dusty pilot Oct 21, 2018, 12:59 AM

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idk, read the book lol

feral perch Oct 21, 2018, 1:02 AM

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I don't believe it's exactly clear, I was hoping for some insight.

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did you read the book?

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ah, yes he was

dusty pilot Oct 21, 2018, 1:07 AM

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lol

brave rover Oct 21, 2018, 1:12 AM

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I think Cortana has been infected by the Flood's logic plague and that's why she's evil in H5

last anchor Oct 21, 2018, 2:53 AM

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Its not her, its a fragment of her. Didn't you read Tales from Slipspace?

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I dont think the Flood needed to do much, she was already rampant

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Megalomania and a belief in superiority is kind of a result of the AI god complex that comes from rampancy

brisk cape Oct 21, 2018, 3:38 AM

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Then coming into contact with the Domain, just basically pushed the fragment over the metaphorical cliff edge into full blown rampancy and god complex.

versed helm Oct 21, 2018, 4:22 AM

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Basically Skynet 2.0

fair hazel Oct 21, 2018, 5:51 AM

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No

versed helm Oct 21, 2018, 5:52 AM

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Or Ultron

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No wait..Brainiac

fair hazel Oct 21, 2018, 6:00 AM

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You can’t even decide...

versed helm Oct 21, 2018, 6:20 AM

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And what's wrong with that

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Hmmm...whatever happened to the UNSC Iroquois

obsidian thistle Oct 21, 2018, 7:14 AM

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Here is a interesting thing about Cortana and the Domain to think about.

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Does the Domain fix the damage already caused by Rampancy?

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Cause thats quite a big thing to think about

versed helm Oct 21, 2018, 7:17 AM

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I think i asked that on Halo Waypoint...what if the whole Domain granting AI immortality and a cure for rampancy thing was a lie created by Cortana to bring down the UNSC at a faster rate and that the Domain doesn't really cure an AI of its rampancy or give it immortality

carmine sleet Oct 21, 2018, 7:18 AM

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I'd say it doesn't fix the damage already done but does enable an AI to live on for longer than the seven years they are normally stuck with

versed helm Oct 21, 2018, 7:27 AM

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That's an interesting question

brisk cape Oct 21, 2018, 1:16 PM

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I think that it allows them to spread themselves throughout the Domain, so that they don’t ‘think themselves to death’, effectively allowing them to live past the 7 year limit.

agile lotus Oct 21, 2018, 4:52 PM

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Have Glassing Beams of 2557 essentially become the equivalent of nukes?

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In that we all acknowledge the power of them, but also have deemed it immoral to use them?

radiant sphinx Oct 21, 2018, 4:58 PM

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I've always wanted to see the Halo 4/5 cruisers glass something

carmine sleet Oct 21, 2018, 5:07 PM

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I believe the Halo 4 ones are the same types as those seen in Halo 3 and Reach

dense oyster Oct 21, 2018, 5:08 PM

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Does the Domain fix the damage already caused by Rampancy?How would it?

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Rampancy is the result of new memories and experiences overwriting vital parts of the mind, yes? Even if the Domain could detect this, it would still need to extrapolate in order to try and fix it: it would need to make educated guesses about what used to be in the spaces now occupied by out-of-place memories. It wouldn't be able to reconstruct the damaged mind; it would just be creating a lookalike mind.

obsidian thistle Oct 21, 2018, 5:27 PM

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Maybe I should of said I personally dont think it fixes the damage. But its a question none the less that makes folks think.

versed helm Oct 21, 2018, 5:54 PM

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Here's another question i can think of...should Thel be tried for war crimes?

carmine sleet Oct 21, 2018, 5:55 PM

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Now that is a good one because I can understand both sides of the argument. Thel glassed allot of planets during the war but he was also honourable, allowing many unarmed combatants the time to arm themselves before actually fighting them. To be honest, I'm not sure whether or not he should be

agile lotus Oct 21, 2018, 6:08 PM

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The question becomes: Should Thel be charged with War Crimes if his actions ultimately saved Humanity?

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@carmine sleet

carmine sleet Oct 21, 2018, 6:08 PM

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Maybe

brave rover Oct 21, 2018, 6:21 PM

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um the unsc works with the sangiheli now

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but big sister cortana decided to take over the galaxy

dense oyster Oct 21, 2018, 7:18 PM

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he was also honourable, allowing many unarmed combatants the time to arm themselves before actually fighting themBearing in mind that I don't know what this refers to specifically, it sounds like something done just to make himself feel better.

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Like, if I'm a big bad Sangheili warrior and I throw John Q. Civilian a plasma pistol, I'm still going to hecking murder him

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Thel should probably be tried, but he should probably also have his sentence commuted or pardoned

feral perch Oct 21, 2018, 7:20 PM

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Eh I think that trying individuals for war crimes is kinda pointless

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Shipmaster has the right idea

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Kill the San'Shyuum

fair stirrup Oct 21, 2018, 8:42 PM

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does anyone know how Maria-062 was able to retire?

obsidian thistle Oct 21, 2018, 8:46 PM

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Nope. No one knows. And her status as retired is kinda weird.

carmine sleet Oct 21, 2018, 8:54 PM

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Funny thing you bring Maria up, I was talking about her with a friend of mine on another server because he didn't know she tested Chief's Mark VI before he got it

versed helm Oct 21, 2018, 9:00 PM

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@carmine sleet Here's a question for you and others in this chat

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Naomi says in the Kilo Five series that she is able to hand in her notice and leave the UNSC as she pleases

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But was that just to calm her father down, can Spartans really just hand in their resignation notice and off they go? Would ONI be so willing to allow such high value assets to just go loitering about?

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i.e Master Chief

glacial sandal Oct 21, 2018, 9:07 PM

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They can remove their augs and deny them access to MJOLNIR, which would make them far easier prey

obsidian thistle Oct 21, 2018, 9:08 PM

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Well you can be very certain that they would be kept on a leash.

glacial sandal Oct 21, 2018, 9:08 PM

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^ That too

obsidian thistle Oct 21, 2018, 9:08 PM

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Maria for example was in reserves

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Despite being retired

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*Yea thats stated in the story, most folks forget that about Maria.

glacial sandal Oct 21, 2018, 9:11 PM

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They just forget about her period

obsidian thistle Oct 21, 2018, 9:11 PM

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Yea... annoyingly. 343i and authors are getting better though

orchid kettle Oct 21, 2018, 10:39 PM

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Im still confused about how you can reverse certain augs

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Specifically the ones that make someone nearly 7 feet tall as a result of inducing super puberty

versed helm Oct 21, 2018, 10:41 PM

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Probably not all the augs are undone

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Like 90% of them

orchid kettle Oct 21, 2018, 10:41 PM

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Granted you could argue that they made Randall normal sized in Nightfall because they didnt want to cast a dude who is legitimately Spartan height

versed helm Oct 21, 2018, 10:41 PM

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Considering it’s also 2550’s they more than likely have chemical shrinkers

orchid kettle Oct 21, 2018, 10:42 PM

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But surely they could have done something Lord of the Rings style

versed helm Oct 21, 2018, 10:42 PM

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You wanna be 5’11”? Take x amount.

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Wanna be 6’1”? Take a little lass

orchid kettle Oct 21, 2018, 10:42 PM

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and mess with perspective to make Randall appear as if he is towering over Locke

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The reason why it annoys me is that it makes light of the "tragedy" of the augmentations

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That being that the person in question can never be "normal" again

glacial sandal Oct 21, 2018, 11:09 PM

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You kinda need it for the S-IV program and ORION in particular tbh. No matter the contracts they sign, someone's eventually gonna try to sue the military for compensation

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I doubt, for example, that stuff done to the S1.1s was done out of the goodness of their hearts, since we all know ONI doesn't give stuff out for free. You could argue it's more interesting, but having some ability to reverse it is pretty necessary

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 12:30 AM

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I mean, that seems to be more or less the idea of the Spartan-IV Program

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That the UNSC essentially owns you now

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Keep in mind that there are only 500 IVs at the absolute max

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So its not like people are getting augmented on a massive scale

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That being said, I never really saw the point of making your soldiers super tall

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Seems like it means they cant do any undercover missions without being found out instantly

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Other than the whole "height denotes power hierarchy" idea in visual media

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Granted that 500 number came from a Comic-Con panel/interview/whatever from 2012

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And 343 has made a lot of lore changes surrounding the Spartan-IVs

last anchor Oct 22, 2018, 12:40 AM

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500 in the first wave. I think Infinity has more than that now

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 12:41 AM

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It depends on what the "first wave" actually is

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Because remember the Spartan Assault prequel comic

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Where it was just Palmer and a handful of other trainees

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But I think New Blood changed the first class to like 145, or so

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But the Infinity itself has 300 of those armor assembly units

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And ya know. 300 reference.

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Because Spartans

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Another big change was the whole "Spartans Dont Have Ranks!" idea

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When Palmer was very clearly referred to as a "Lieutenant" in the Halo 4 campaign. Even in Spartan Field Manual, it revealed that each position has its own authority equivalent to certain ranks

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Like "Spartan" being the equivalent of Lieutenant, Spartan Fireteam Leader being a Captain, Spartan Handler being a Major, and Spartan Commander being a Colonel

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But then again, it also stated that Spartans dont have any REAL authority to personnel outside of their branch. Therefore, relating their hierarchy to Marine ranks is kinda pointless

last anchor Oct 22, 2018, 12:45 AM

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Its probably just for book keeping more than anything. Spartans will end up taking charge anyway.

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I mean I dont know about you but if I was a Marine in the field and a 7 foot tall walking tank showed up, I'd want to follow him

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 12:46 AM

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I mean, unless it was De Marco. Or Hoya.

last anchor Oct 22, 2018, 12:46 AM

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Hey if Hoya wants to clear the path with his shotgun while I watch his back, that works for me

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 12:47 AM

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I still dont really get that scene

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Because afterwards Palmer glares at De Marco like its somehow his fault that Hoya is literally too dumb to live

last anchor Oct 22, 2018, 12:48 AM

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I think she was mad at him for failing to keep Hoya in line. After all, DeMarco WAS team leader at that point.

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 12:49 AM

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I mean, by that same logic, we can blame the Spartan Branch in general for thinking someone as stupid as Hoya was good enough to be a supersoldier

versed helm Oct 22, 2018, 1:13 AM

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Just saying WH40k would destroy halo

last anchor Oct 22, 2018, 1:28 AM

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Depends on if the theory that the entireny of the UNSC, because they have no connection to the Warp ala the Tau, would basically be an entire military of blanks.
Also they dont have the religious dogma or blind faith that most every other group has. TBH they're basically the Tau, but more competent. And willing to steal tech as needed

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 1:46 AM

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Tbh, I dont really care for "Power Level" debates

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In fact, one thing I miss from Pre-343 Halo was the idea of the Pony Express

unique rune Oct 22, 2018, 1:47 AM

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you can't have a fanbase without stupid theories and "who would win" debates

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 1:47 AM

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That while Humanity had achieved FTL travel, they didnt have FTL galaxy internet

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Like, imagine living on Harvest, and only having your favorite website update once every month

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Because a ship had to physically cross the gap between planets and dispense the information

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Im surprised that writers never pointed to that as a driving cause of the Insurrection

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After all, when you can barely communicate with other planets, it makes sense why people would feel like nothing matters outside of their immediate community

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And that "Earth" felt so faraway that it might as well not existed to these people

severe elbow Oct 22, 2018, 1:59 AM

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They've stated somewhere the lack of ability to instantly communicate was a contributing factor, I'm pretty sure.

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 2:00 AM

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I dont really remember much mention of the Pony Express outside of Contact Harvest

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But I like it, because I feel like its a perfect encapsulation of humanity in Halo

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They're advanced enough to settle on new worlds

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But they lack the ability to communicate effectively with said worlds

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Its not a perfect futuristic uptopia, but it aint exactly a dystopia either

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Despite their technology, theres still plenty of inconveniences the inhabitants have to live with

last anchor Oct 22, 2018, 2:50 AM

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It was still a thing until Kilo-5 I think when they first got huragok. Remember the slipspace com probes of Ghosts of Onyx

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 2:57 AM

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Isnt there a bit in Fall of Reach where Keyes is having a FaceTime conversation with an Admiral

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seemingly in real-time

severe elbow Oct 22, 2018, 3:01 AM

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They may not have been that far away.

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 3:02 AM

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I mean, even if you're one light year away

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If the message gets there sooner than a year

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Its FTL

last anchor Oct 22, 2018, 3:10 AM

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They're in the same system if I remember right. It either Reach or Sigma Octanus IV

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I think the UNSCs main issue is inter-system coms

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Since you need slipspace to get between them.

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 3:11 AM

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I dont believe the Admiral was at Sigma Octanus

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Chances are, he was probably back at Reach

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The explanation is probably just that Fall of Reach was the first Halo book

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And that limitation had not been established

dusty pilot Oct 22, 2018, 3:12 AM

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i was about to say that too.

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 3:13 AM

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I know people really like to come up with explanations to reconcile inconsistencies

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But I think its important to remember that its fiction.

last anchor Oct 22, 2018, 3:13 AM

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Retcons are a thing, yes. And Fall of Reach has been rewritten TWICE at least with updates

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I mean originally, Humanitys first encounter with the Elites was over Reach

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Whereas Silent Storm literally disproved that

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 3:14 AM

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Theres only so much you can do

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An edit is not the same as a complete rewrite

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Also-- every piece of media after Fall of Reach kinda contradicts the initial conceit that Elites waited 30 years before joining the war

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Even First Strike has Fred make sweeping generalizations of the race

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Despite at that time, he would have JUST encountered them

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Nylund also had this real bad habit in Fall of Reach

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By insisting that every thing that made Halo-- well, Halo

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Came into existence right before the events of CE

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Chief just obtained his Mark V armor. He just met Cortana. He just met Keyes (as far as he knows, anyway). The Pillar of Autumn JUST returned to service after being refitted. Keyes just became her Captain.

last anchor Oct 22, 2018, 3:17 AM

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To be fair the novel was rushed. If I remember right Bungie didnt even want it made

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 3:17 AM

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And of course, Chief JUST came to realize that Elites, Hunters, and Engineers existed

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Yeah, I heard that as well

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And I kinda cant blame them, because I dont think Ill ever like the idea of the Hero of Humanity being chosen by his genetics

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Whether it be by Halsey, or the Librarian's "geas" or whatever

last anchor Oct 22, 2018, 3:19 AM

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Yeah that kind of came out of nowhere later on. The divide between Bungie and 343s interpritations of the Forerunners are jagged.

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Not that I mind that, the Forerunner Trilogy was godly

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 3:19 AM

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I mean, in Fall of Reach, Chief becomes a Spartan because he's a genetically superior uberman

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And Im honestly wondering if that was ever Bungie's intention with Chief. Because in CE-- he's just a goof who happens to be real good at blowing things up

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But gets so easily tricked by Guilty Spark

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And then gets chewed out by Cortana like she's his space mom

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Or how the joke in the intro scene to the mission "Keyes" is that Chief gets teleported upside down, and falls on his face

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Theres also Bungie rejecting concept art of the Chief that made him look "too mean"

last anchor Oct 22, 2018, 3:22 AM

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Isnt that why they got rid of the aggressive MK V and the machete?

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CE was weird like that

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 3:22 AM

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I miss so many things from CE

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Like, kinda the whole deal about the UNSC was that their aesthetic was inspired by Aliens and Starship Troopers

last anchor Oct 22, 2018, 3:24 AM

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It still kinda is but I like the changes

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 3:25 AM

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Their tech was bulky, with a lot of browns

last anchor Oct 22, 2018, 3:25 AM

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Also, the fact that they aren't too proud to steal enemy weapons and strip mine them for tech

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 3:25 AM

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One reference 343 has since completely ruined is the ammo counter on the rifles

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In Alien, its just two digits. Super simple.

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But in Halo 4 and beyond, the actual ammo counter only takes up half of that little screen

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And in Halo 5, they made the digits a similar color as the background

last anchor Oct 22, 2018, 3:26 AM

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I dont even remember if the little compass works anymore

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Is it even in Halo 5?

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 3:26 AM

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Its really obvious when you use the H2 BR in Halo 5

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And the digits pop out because they're these bright blue characters against the solid black mass of the BR

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Having a battery display, that isnt even relevant gameplay-wise, is pointless on the Halo 5 BR

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Thats kinda emblematic of 343's art in general

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Excessive detail that gets in the way of functionality

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Another example would be all the pointless fluff on the character's HUD during Campaign

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Sure, its neat to see the edges of Chief's helmet. But do I really need altitude lines in the center of my screen

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Or pointless text in the corner

last anchor Oct 22, 2018, 3:29 AM

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No one really looks at it anyway

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 3:29 AM

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Like, I was playing Halo 5 campaign a few days ago

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and I went to pick up a turret

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And when the game zooms out to third person, it only retains the critical information of the HUD

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Shields, ammo, radar-- the bare essentials

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And my god, did it look infinitely better

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I mean, having the edges of my screen taken up by the helmet interior DOES mean that I am sacrificing real estate

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Maybe not a ton-- but that space IS being taken up by something that doesnt need to be present

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And really, the same applies to environmental design

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Like, I think theres a reason why weapons now glow in Halo 5

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Or why weapons had an icon floating over them in H2A

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Because otherwise, they wouldnt pop out of the environment

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Compared to past games

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Meanwhile, the HUD in multiplayer looks perfectly fine.

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Theres a couple of lines at the top and bottom-- but its not excessive by any means

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Theres also like a blur effect added to the edges of the Campaign HUD for further "immersion"

fair hazel Oct 22, 2018, 3:46 AM

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It's really nice detail and cool though. So yeah, good job on the campaign huds they did

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 3:47 AM

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I mean, its pointless and just gets in the way

fair hazel Oct 22, 2018, 3:47 AM

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it's really cool

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 3:48 AM

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Something that makes for a cool screenshot doesnt always make for better gameplay

fair hazel Oct 22, 2018, 3:48 AM

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the different HUDs are one of my favourite things in the campaign

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 3:48 AM

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Its why I dont bother with the Anniversary graphics in H2A

last anchor Oct 22, 2018, 3:48 AM

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Too bad you never have a chance to look at em while playing

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 3:48 AM

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Because enemies pop out of the environment far better in the classic settings

fair hazel Oct 22, 2018, 3:49 AM

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your loss

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 3:49 AM

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Its really not

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I dont have any problem playing older games

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Modelers spending countless nights getting the pores on a character's face right just isnt a worthwhile investment compared to visual clarity

fair hazel Oct 22, 2018, 3:50 AM

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Some of us appreciate it

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 3:50 AM

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Its also why I dislike the Storm Rifle

fair hazel Oct 22, 2018, 3:50 AM

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I like the storm rifle

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 3:50 AM

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Because its silhouette makes it easy to confuse for the Carbine

fair hazel Oct 22, 2018, 3:50 AM

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just wish they didnt nerf it

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not realy if youre familiar

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 3:50 AM

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I mean, yes really

fair hazel Oct 22, 2018, 3:51 AM

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Nope

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 3:51 AM

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Its also why I wish they stuck with the Pistol being the main utility weapon of the series

fair hazel Oct 22, 2018, 3:51 AM

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utility as in

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 3:51 AM

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If only because both the battle rifle and shotgun appear as long, solid black masses in the heat of the moment

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They put a band aid on that problem by giving the shotgun a spotlight

fair hazel Oct 22, 2018, 3:52 AM

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dont really have that problem atm,

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a flashlight

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 3:52 AM

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But that wouldnt be necessary if the Pistol became the main weapon of the series. Because the player stance would be completely different.

fair hazel Oct 22, 2018, 3:52 AM

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halo CE pistol style? Yeah I dont think that'd be the greatest thing for sandbox, variety, etc

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 3:53 AM

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What variety is there if the weapons all overlap with each other

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Its why I adore CE and ODST's sandboxes

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Because they knew where to cut the fat

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I do not miss the BR at all in ODST

fair hazel Oct 22, 2018, 3:53 AM

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talking pre-nerfs, the halo 5 weapon sandbox, even with a lot of weapons, is pretty good

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 3:53 AM

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And I assume the AR is only in ODST for the sake of giving the Marines something to use

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Considering it had been nerfed from its original Halo 3 incarnation

fair hazel Oct 22, 2018, 3:54 AM

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also expands the universe, and I like that

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also FYI

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 3:54 AM

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The problem with the current sandbox is that you have 5 utility weapons

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All of them outranking the default pistol

fair hazel Oct 22, 2018, 3:54 AM

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just because you dont enjoy the debates doesn't mean they're dumb, versus type stuff

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 3:54 AM

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Sure, a pistol user COULD play out of their mind and perfect kill a BR user

fair hazel Oct 22, 2018, 3:54 AM

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That kind of stuff is pretty fun, imagination, thought games

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 3:54 AM

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But the BR will be infinitely easier to land perfect kills with

fair hazel Oct 22, 2018, 3:55 AM

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IN the current sandbox I'd take a pistol over the BR...

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but even before, chances were decent, not infinitely better

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 3:55 AM

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Its infinitely easier

fair hazel Oct 22, 2018, 3:56 AM

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I`ll have to give you a no for that. At longer ranges sure but

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 3:56 AM

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The Pistol is great in Halo 5 because getting perfect kills with it is not easy. And not because of the same reasons as the Halo 3 BR

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Where theres random spread

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Theres a reason why it became the go to weapon for HCS

fair hazel Oct 22, 2018, 3:57 AM

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i dont like HCS settings at all

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 3:57 AM

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Thats fine

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But no one tunes in to watch people play Super Fiesta

fair hazel Oct 22, 2018, 3:57 AM

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they play it instead

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 3:58 AM

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Or they simply forget about Halo 5 entirely. I know I did for a while, until I caught the latest HCS stream

fair hazel Oct 22, 2018, 3:59 AM

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I play it everyday. And HsC shouldnt be the main gameplay type for normal halo

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 3:59 AM

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Thats great for you.

fair hazel Oct 22, 2018, 3:59 AM

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Oh well for you

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 4:00 AM

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But the reason why having 5 utility weapons is excessive is because it leads to snowballing.

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You know how people hate SMG and AR starts from the previous games because it meant that the players who picked up the BR and carbine were at an immediate advantage?

fair hazel Oct 22, 2018, 4:00 AM

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by the way, dont post stuff in spoiler chat that doesnt belong

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 4:00 AM

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And how the people who jsut died could not defend themselves on respawn?

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That continues to be an issue in Halo 5. Perhaps not to the same extent since this Pistol is the strongest its been since CE, but against a foe of comparable skill, other rifles will come out on top 9 times outta 10

fair hazel Oct 22, 2018, 4:04 AM

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Wouldn't quite say that. But I should go, it's getting late. FYI the reprints of the early books do remove the lines that mention the stuff being new

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 4:04 AM

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And there IS variety in CE. Every weapon is distinct from each other, and there is little overlap.

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Not to mention that theres a reason why Covenant only had projectile weapons in CE. Because then, the player could see the colorful shots incoming, and move to dodge.

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The closest overlap would probably be the Assault Rifle and Plasma Rifle, but the PR back in CE was capable of Semi-Auto, which combined with how fast it overheated from full-auto made it more of a mid-range weapon. Compared to the MA5B, which was at its best when it was up in someone's face.

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The Needler is another full-auto weapon, but with how slow the projectiles were in CE, and the fact that the real damage came from the explosion made it more of a novelty weapon

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I'd say more than anything ,the Covenant weapons were more like a punishment the player had to endure when they ran out of UNSC ammo. Which they could find more of if they either played better, or explored more.

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Which is a complete reverse of how they handled it in ODST, what with the Carbine and Brute Plasma Rifle being straight upgrades to your default loadout of the silenced SMG and Automag. Well, except for when it came to killing drones.

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But since such weapons and their ammunition were in limited supply, they became temporary buffs in a way.

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Which is probably more "lore accurate".

last anchor Oct 22, 2018, 4:13 AM

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It is

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 4:15 AM

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In both cases, I'd say that the Covenant weapons have a purpose in their sandbox

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AS opposed to being purple-skinned human weapons

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Even the Beam Rifle KINDA has a place since the player isnt gonna run into a proper UNSC sniper rifle until further in the game

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But I think ODST did a stellar job in making me not miss the Battle Rifle

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Despite the fact that neither the Silenced SMG or Automag could compare on their own. Sure, the Automag can rack up headshots like no other-- but you aint gonna do jack with it against shielded brutes

last anchor Oct 22, 2018, 4:20 AM

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Yeah, that was a PAIN on some of the missions.

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 4:20 AM

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Personally tho, I'd prefer the energy sword over the gravity hammer

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But I get that Gravity Hammers make more sense as Brutes are the main enemy in ODST. Because its technically an expansion of Halo 3.

last anchor Oct 22, 2018, 4:28 AM

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Im honestly indifferent. I just want a UNSC melee weapon. Like the cut machete

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 4:28 AM

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I mean

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if the new suit in Collateral Damage is a preview of whats to come

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We may have arm blades

last anchor Oct 22, 2018, 4:29 AM

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YES. Freds arm knives.

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 4:29 AM

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Those werent knives

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They were like Adam Jensen arm blades

last anchor Oct 22, 2018, 4:29 AM

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They're on Fred. That instantly makes them knives

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Any blade Fred holds is a knife.

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He's got knives for days. He's like Alucard with eyes...but with knives

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 4:30 AM

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I kinda want just a simplistic combat knife to return

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The one in Halo 4 and 5 just seems a little TOO Special Snowflake-y for my tastes

last anchor Oct 22, 2018, 4:31 AM

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What, the wrist mounted one?

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 4:32 AM

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I mean, APPARENTLY they are stored in the forearm bracer

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Since theres a panel where Palmer shoves her knife back into her arm

last anchor Oct 22, 2018, 4:32 AM

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Like I said, wrist mounted.
I mean it makes sense to me, the external holster on the Reach era armor would be liable to get caught on something or torn free

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Im still curious as to where Spartans store their ammo. Is that why you can only have like four mags for the BR even though they weigh basically nothing for a Spartan?

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 4:33 AM

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Thats why I really like the Nightfall armor

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Because it has pouches. And some kind of harness.

last anchor Oct 22, 2018, 4:34 AM

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Soldier has em too, though they're kinda tiny. Interceptor has it too

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 4:34 AM

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Soldier's pouches are puny

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https://www.halopedia.org/images/1/17/H5G_ODST_Concept_1.jpg

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I really wish this was an armor set in Halo 5.

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Its a nice way to still have some crotch protection whilst avoiding the space diaper that 343 is so scared of

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And its always kinda bothered me how exposed GEN2 armor is, particularly over the gut

last anchor Oct 22, 2018, 4:38 AM

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Im not the only one, thank God

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 4:39 AM

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I mean, theres always been a gap between the chest armor and space diaper

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And I get that its for aesthetic reasons for the most part

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To give them those triangular, heroic proportions

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But once again, this armor manages to maintain that silhouette while still giving the person protection for their lower torso

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Its a bit much for Post-War ODSTs, but I think it'd be perfect for a GEN2 variant

last anchor Oct 22, 2018, 4:41 AM

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Agreed

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I think they learned, if the MK VI we see in the infinite trailer is anything to go by, and the whispers of GEN 2

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3

orchid kettle Oct 22, 2018, 4:42 AM

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Im not too thrilled about the return of Mark VI. Of the OG 3, it's always been my least favorite

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It makes Chief look too lanky

last anchor Oct 22, 2018, 4:45 AM

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Well we've only seen the Helmet. Maybe he replaced his busted GEN 2 with a new one more like his old one but kept the still-stable armor